Chinese secret tank continues to be run in troops

The Beijing parade on September 3 was supposed to be the venue for the first public display of the latest so-called “mountain tank". However, even during the preparation of the grand event, it became clear - the military decided to demonstrate a secret novelty, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

“Given the traditional closeness of the defense sector in this country, one can only guess why this happened. Although the photos of the newest light tank, which appear from time to time on the net, it is clear that the car is intensively driven around by the troops, ”the newspaper notes.

This machine, weighing about 30-ti, should replace the Type-62 tank in the PLA, which has already been practically removed from service, as morally and technically obsolete.

According to the "Bulletin", "the tank is armed with 105-mm gun and equipped with automatic loader, its fire control system borrowed from the main battle tanks."

It is noted that "the six-bearing chassis of this combat vehicle is equipped with a variable hydropneumatic suspension."

Comments

[Ami du peuple]

"Mountain tank" .. What if you are going on a campaign through Tibet to India?

[Baikonur]

Quote: author

(Chinese) military decided to show a secret novelty

Or maybe not new! So - beef show-offs, repainted in a different way (against the background of "Armata"), like: "We also have new super-mega-secret!"

[iouris]

I would be careful to evaluate the work of Chinese specialists in this way. I think they can surprise you.

[magician]

will not be able to surprise. not that mentality. how much time do you think it takes to create your own engineering school? The creation of the tank is not only the engineers of the Uralvagonzavod, a lot of related organizations are involved. In China, the bulk of the work is hired engineers. What do you think, if something happens, how many engineers will remain in China and what will they be capable of?

[engineer74]

Quote: Ami du peuple

"Mountain tank" .. What if you are going on a campaign through Tibet to India?

There is still Afghanistan nearby, after the Americans, someone will have to restore order in any case ...

[Scoun]

Quote: engineer74

after the Americans, someone will have to put things in order anyway ...

Comrades, sorry could not resist (a little off topic).

Drones from the United States flew away from the Ukrainian army. They say to Russia
12:3020.01.201689224043164043
“So, what do we have there next? American drones. Write:“ everyone flew to Russia. ”What does it mean:“ how did you fly away? ”Do they have wings? Yes. So they flew away. The Russians are luring them with something. They are flying . So, write further "...

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/accents/20160120/1362269012.html#ixzz3xs1v6zvb

The situation was succinctly described by the member of the US House of Representatives Duncan Hunter. Having visited Ukraine on a study tour, the California Republican told his congressional colleagues the following: "Joking aside, the Russians do not shoot down Ukrainian drones - they take them for themselves. They take them to Russian territory, where they land." The words of the congressman are quoted by the Washington Times.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/accents/20160120/1362269012.html#ixzz3xs25u8Nd

The people in the comments write that 6 pieces were taken away)))

[dmi.pris1]

Oh, these Russian ... If you can’t bring down, they’ll steal ..

Quote: Scoun

Quote: engineer74

after the Americans, someone will have to put things in order anyway ...

Comrades, sorry could not resist (a little off topic).

Drones from the United States flew away from the Ukrainian army. They say to Russia
12:3020.01.201689224043164043
“So, what do we have there next? American drones. Write:“ everyone flew to Russia. ”What does it mean:“ how did you fly away? ”Do they have wings? Yes. So they flew away. The Russians are luring them with something. They are flying . So, write further "...

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/accents/20160120/1362269012.html#ixzz3xs1v6zvb

The situation was succinctly described by the member of the US House of Representatives Duncan Hunter. Having visited Ukraine on a study tour, the California Republican told his congressional colleagues the following: "Joking aside, the Russians do not shoot down Ukrainian drones - they take them for themselves. They take them to Russian territory, where they land." The words of the congressman are quoted by the Washington Times.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/accents/20160120/1362269012.html#ixzz3xs25u8Nd

The people in the comments write that 6 pieces were taken away)))

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Scoun

Russians do not shoot down Ukrainian drones - they take them to themselves.

Well, what good is it to spoil.

[Party_time]

Ukrovska sold simply.

[Alf]

Quote: Party_Time

Ukrovska sold simply.

I want to eat, but the militias don’t feed for free.

[Party_time]

Ukrovska sold simply.

[cniza]

However, already during the preparation of the grand event, it became clear - the military decided to demonstrate a secret novelty, writes the Bulletin of Mordovia.

More often than not, disadvantages are concealed, but China is always a surprise.

[kot28.ru]

Yeah, Britain overcame, the USSR withdrew troops (although they still speak well of Russians there) , the mattresses still do not understand what they are doing, but what will happen to China if it gets to the barmalei? You won’t throw meat there, they’ll tear yourself! Rather, it’s a development for the border with India

[engineer74]

China is friends with Pakistan, and they have influence on some Afghan political (or terrorist?) Forces, there will be a sweep of some in favor of others. Plus, China has a lot of free money - this is important in a poor country, the USSR, therefore, the Afghans remember!
In short, if they fit in there, there will be, rather, a "Soviet" version of the Afghan war, with capital construction, schools, hospitals, economic development, etc.
China can’t compete with India, they are not risking troops there, but the whole economy, and even in the SCO Indians were accepted, sort of ...
IMHO

[Cheshire]

Is the resemblance to "Octopus" apparent or does it take place?

[Forest]

There is nothing in common. Different concepts.

[Thunderbolt]

They can also be used against the Dushmans in the Pyanja mountains. For some reason, they presented the brand new armored personnel carriers of the Tajik army.

[kodxnumx]

Quote: Ami du peuple

"Mountain tank" .. What if you are going on a campaign through Tibet to India?

He won’t just ride like a mountain goat

[Skif83]

"Mountain" tank ... ????
And why not flying right away?
Already on the "rival" "Armata" does not pull.
Chineses amateurs wishful thinking, in my opinion, this is just such a case!

[Altona]

Quote: Ami du peuple

"Mountain tank" .. What if you are going on a campaign through Tibet to India?

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Just a light tank. In some places it is so announced ...

[dr.star75]

The Chinese are half-Almaty trying to do, but the Messenger of Mordovia is not sleeping!

[ssergn]

Like a BMD case, don't you find it?

[Pig]

he doesn't look very honest

[rotmistr60]

China is clearly not calling for military spending cuts. Therefore, calmly, without haste, without "arguing in the studio" they equip their army with new, modern technology.

[Thunderbolt]

The global crisis and covered them with its clawed paw --- therefore, GDP will grow by only 6%. Yesterday I just read it.

[St Petrov]

China needs 7% growth in their economy, otherwise this is already a problem.

ours -3 and their +6 are approximately on the same level

[Karlovar]

The 6% annual growth of China's GDP in absolute figures is 800 green lard ... And this is half the economy of the Russian Federation ... That is, the Chinese economy grows half of the Russian economy a year or grows in a whole Russian economy in 2 years !!! It is not enough???

[Primus pilus]

This is a self-propelled mobile gun.

[Engineer]

Soon in Fuji

[sa-ag]

A merkava was driven into a copier? :-)

[Dam]

The caliber is somehow small, and the reservation, the courts by weight are not ah

[gla172]

Quote: Damm

The caliber is somehow small, and the reservation, the courts by weight are not ah

Caliber as on the first abrams .... Rheinmetall gun most likely ...

[iConst]

Quote: Damm

The caliber is somehow small, and the reservation, the courts by weight are not ah

“We hardly know about booking.” Thickness is not an indicator of invulnerability.

But the caliber - yes. NATO, too, seems to recognize already the insufficiency of 120-mm guns.

And the new tank based on Almaty seemed to be conceived with a 152-mm gun.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Damm

The caliber is somehow small, and the reservation, the courts by weight are not ah

You re-read the article, because it is clearly written there - EASY tank! ... "Although it is clear from the photographs of the newest light tank that appear from time to time on the Internet that the vehicle is being actively driven in by the troops," and so on.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Bayonet

You re-read the article,

Hi Sasha, why waste time reading? I looked at the photo and go)))

[Magic archer]

Well, what can I say .. First of all, its weight is interesting. Is it possible to use it in the Airborne Forces. Second, this is the caliber. Western. Third, this is that the Chinese finally did their own thing without copying our or Western samples.

[gabonskijfront]

For the Chinese, the whole world is barbarians, and Europeans are white monkeys whose experience is worth a closer look, but that doesn’t stop being monkeys. Therefore, China can only shine, and in everything, it’s on their genetic level.

[Kite]

Quote: gabonskijfront

Therefore, China can only shine, and in everything

- At my place too, like everyone now, there are a lot of crafts from the Chinese industry, and only LED bulbs shine in all the lamps.
The rest coexists in my life, until I get rich for more.

[voyaka uh]

With a 105 mm gun - infantry support.
For battles against tanks - weakly.

It’s not like a mountain tank. The mountain gun must
rise 45 and fall 10 degrees.

[aviator1913]

I agree. Something is wrong with this tank .. The gun’s angles are more effective than air suspension, without it, it’s just impossible to hit the mountains effectively.

[gla172]

Quote: voyaka uh

For battles against tanks - weak

Don’t say, but remember the Grabinsky ZIS-2. It’s not in the caliber of the ammunition, but in the caliber of the gun. Why did the same ZIS2 be taken out of service at the beginning of the Second World War? ..... The cannon for Hitler’s dragsters was too bad ...., and here it’s not clear what the Chinese will use for ammunition, and indeed, ......

[Alf]

Quote: gla172

. is not in the caliber of ammunition, but in the caliber of the gun.

And how is the caliber of ammunition different from the caliber of the gun? Enlighten, please.

[gla172]

Quote: Alf

And how is the caliber of ammunition different from the caliber of the gun? Enlighten, please.

What are you doing on comrade? If you don’t know such things ....
Just go to Wikipedia ......

[Alf]

Quote: gla172

What are you doing on comrade? If you don’t know such things ....
Just go to Wikipedia ......

Well, tell me, otherwise I don’t recognize.

[Forest]

So in the mountains, in addition to armored personnel carriers, especially armored vehicles are not expected. The IOCs are likely to be significant, it is not in vain that they made a large tower, and by changing the geometry of the suspension it is possible to achieve an extra tilt or rise.

[Karlovar]

At least one intelligible comment !!! It’s clear to Kot that this tank was not designed for duels with Abrams and Leopards in the mountains (they won’t crawl into the mountains). I think the main purpose of the mountain tank is anti-terrorism (fire support for the infantry against the terror and 105 caliber for the eyes). For Tibet and Xinjiang, where there are separatist movements, that’s it! And in Afghanistan (where the mountains are solid), as a person said, someone will have to restore order after the Americans leave. And with the help of air suspension it is very robust that you can change the angle of the gun (on the video of the Korean K2 it is clearly visible).

[twviewer]

Quote: voyaka uh

With a 105 mm gun - infantry support.
For battles against tanks - weakly.

Weak of course, but who knows, the Chinese can bungle a "spike" and let it through the barrel. They will also save space at the BC.

[Lanista]

Bright green elements of camouflage give the tank special secrecy.
As for the chassis - on the Type 96 the chassis was copied from the T-64, on this prodigy - apparently, with the MVT-70. The Chinese are growing, are growing ...

[Editor]

originally resembles a German tiger

[Alf]

Quote: Redactor

originally resembles a German tiger

Very similar. The gun has one and two tracks.

[poma]

A competitor in the arms market has grown. And every gun hanging on the wall should be dead.

[George 275]

It feels like a secret tank created a secret farmer in his barn

[Thunderbolt]

..................... But his

[gla172]

......... not like that .....

[Vadim237]

This is a land battleship.

[Demon_blood]

Japanese type 10 cosplay with only a weaker gun.
What’s interesting is the automatic loader / ammunition in it like on the Japanese / Leclerc / Black Panther in the back of the tower, or like the T-72 under the tower ?.

[gabonskijfront]

No one knows how Chinese technology will behave in a real battle, because there is no such experience in the world. Everyone knows that Merkava is a tank of one theater, that it’s more like a roadblock on caterpillars, and in Russian tanks, in case of a tower’s defeat, the warhead detonates and the tower flies off, like a lid. And Abrams has problems with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and so on. What Chinese technology is capable of, no one really knows, this is the most non-fighting technique in the world.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: gabonskijfront

while Russian tanks detonate a warhead in case of a tower’s defeat and the tower flies off like a lid. And Abrams has problems with the APU and so on.

See how the American APU burns on Abrams! You might think that this ammunition exploded. Don't you think that you are not lying a lot about the Abrams?

[voyaka uh]

"You might think that this ammunition exploded" ////

Abrams ammunition - outside the tank, in a crazy basket,
where the shells lie heads back.
Even if it explodes, the crew has a good chance of survival.
Therefore, fewer tankers died in Iraq than tanks were shot down.

[gla172]

Have you fought Comrade? If even one land mine suffers in that space (not inhabited), it is unlikely that you will survive ..... And do not forget how much the tank lives on the battlefield ..... and if, for example, the seventh RPG catches up with you, then drum in what box you are ..... at least on a moon rover ....


a feeling that the people just replayed in entot World of tanks ......

[Aleksey_K]

Tank Abrams 11 shells are in the fighting compartment.
And about the fire in the fighting compartment, so once I had to climb into the burning burning compartment and extinguish it with a lack of oxygen. The flame was also very high from the hatch. If there was a fire in the combat unit, it would die. But without putting out the fire, he would go to the tribunal. The tankers suffered a lot during this fire, and of course they didn’t even have the idea that the tank could be saved at the risk of its own life, jumped up like hell, then they were treated in the hospital.

[vladimir1958]

Chinese industry may surprise with unique developments in tank building. The experience of copying our objects is huge. Of interest is the weight characteristic, less than average, but more light. The appearance of the tank resembles the Belarusian development of the BRM.

[gg.na]

Easy mountain танк hm-hm-hmhmhmhmhmhmmmm it would be necessary to study it in more detail

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

We are waiting for a novelty at the tank biathlon in Alabino-there and we will evaluate, according to the results.

[Cobra77]

Quote: gabonskijfront

No one knows how Chinese technology will behave in a real battle, because there is no such experience in the world. Everyone knows that Merkava is a tank of one theater, that it’s more like a roadblock on caterpillars, and in Russian tanks, in case of a tower’s defeat, the warhead detonates and the tower flies off, like a lid. And Abrams has problems with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and so on. What Chinese technology is capable of, no one really knows, this is the most non-fighting technique in the world.

Yes, no one knows. I would prefer that it remains
Well, to Merkava you’re in vain. Without conditionally in swamps and a forest belt it will be shitty on passability, and in the winter it will also freeze. But overall, the tank is excellent for warm terrain with a hard surface. But the trip to Moscow certainly will not pull
About the detonation of our tanks, and no more than all the rest. What did not see pictures of abrams raspiradorasennyh? They detonate no worse. Do not forget about the defeat on the side of Abrams from a 30mm gun and from the rear of a heavy machine gun.

[Yozhik]

And what is a MINING tank ??? There is knowledge about mountain artillery, there is mountain infantry .... but there are no such tanks

[engineer74]

They answered their own question! A mountain tank can be carried by forces of a given unit (platoon) over difficult terrain!
For reference: the "Chinese platoon" is the main tactical unit of the PLA, numbering 2-2.5 million people (based on the materials of stupid anecdotes).

[Olfred]

tank weighing 30 tons? Mb there is another name?

[engineer74]

BMP at 84t (project, USA) is normal, but the tank does not roll at 30?

[Olfred]

duck zhezh Americans, everything is saturated with maximalism (they learned to see from the Germans)

[DMM2006]

Colleagues, unfortunately, the object of the application of China’s forces is currently not India (although I think the hypothetical clash of two such giants would have generated such an echo that the whole world would have started), but other countries. And the mountains in these countries are no less.
Economic interests compel China to seek such a path for the transit of Iranian oil to its territory, which the 6th strike fleet of Amers cannot unexpectedly, purely by chance find itself on. And this path, as I said, unfortunately (why I explain below), passes through the territory of Afghanistan, or rather, through the territories previously belonging to the leader of the northern Afghan Ahmad Shah Massoud. If you pay attention to the map of this region, it becomes clear that on the way to the coveted oil, the Chinese have territories of ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
But Pakistan since the mid-90s has been a faithful vassal of China, which even barks at Amers only when it is convenient for the owner.
Today, even the Pakistani army is nothing more than a hotel structure of the PLA. All specialists: anti-aircraft gunners, pilots, tank crews, etc. in the army of Pakistan, absolutely not hiding this fact (given the difference in the appearance of the Chinese and Pashtuns, it is interesting how they would do it) are members of the People's Liberation Army of China. Accordingly, Pakistan, when the time comes, will not only not resist, but also with great pleasure will go along with the Chinese to pinch its neighbors (the Pashtun part of the territory of which they consider their way).
And so that northern Afghanistan could not resist for a very long time, China needs "mountain" tanks.
And now I’ll explain why I said unfortunately. Northern Afghanistan borders, which is characteristic of our Russian economic interests with Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. And China, this area is also very interesting.
And this interest is not in the abundance of cotton and gratuitous labor (China has enough of its own with an abundance of it), but in rare earth metals and uranium (Uzbekistan has one of the two deposits in the world of crystalline uranium oxide, the second, by the way, in Kenya, which is already a Chinese "colony" , as well as all equatorial Africa).
Accordingly, unfortunately in the next 5-15 years we will have to defend our strategic interests in Central Asia from our current "allies". Consequently, armored vehicles adapted for warfare in the mountains will not interfere with us either. After all, knowing the Chinese, they are now riveting these "mountain" tanks of theirs, just like Type 62 riveted, and later Type 96.

[Crown]

Most likely, these tanks will be used in Tibet and in the places of residence of the Uyghurs.

[Aleksey_K]

Modern China will have a very huge army of 400 million people. in the event of the outbreak of war. Even all the countries of the world with their fleets and planes will not be able to transfer this huge number of soldiers and related equipment, for example, to the region of Iraq, Syria and Israel. This is just not an impossible task now.
But there is a prediction that China will reach its shores of the Mediterranean Sea with its 200 millionth army. The only way is overland, overcoming the mountains of the Himalayas and Tibet. Therefore, we need equipment that can move at heights, which conventional equipment cannot simply drop in due to the low oxygen content in the air and the steepness of the passes.
I see nothing unusual or funny about this. One colonel once told me, they studied together, as his tanks conditionally fought in the Caucasus. At certain altitudes, the tanks simply did not move, lacked engine power.