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Implementation of the Minsk agreements may come to a standstill because of the question of the border

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On Wednesday in Minsk at the next meeting of the Contact Group, the Ukrainian side stated that it would not discuss the issue of elections in the Donbass until a section of the state border passes under the control of Kiev, reports Kommersant.


Implementation of the Minsk agreements may come to a standstill because of the question of the border


“Now one of the important issues in the framework of the work of the Contact Group is the law on elections,” said Boris Gryzlov, Russia's plenipotentiary at the talks.

He was supported by German Foreign Minister Steinmeier, who believes that “the absence of a law on elections in the Donbass leads to a re-escalation of the conflict, while local elections can make long-term relaxation of the situation possible.”

However, before the start of the meeting it became clear that the Ukrainian side was not ready to discuss this issue.

“Elections in the occupied territories of Donbass can occur only under the condition of fulfilling a number of important prerequisites: establishing control over the Ukrainian border with Russia, resuming the work of the Ukrainian media, disarming the militants, allowing the OSCE mission, withdrawing Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine”,
said the authorized Ukrainian President Irina Gerashchenko.

After the meeting, the head of the delegation, Kuchma, said the same: “Without a cease-fire and silence, without a full-fledged withdrawal of heavy weapons and confirmation of this withdrawal of the OSCE, without renewing our control over the Ukrainian-Russian border, it is impossible to talk about elections or changes in Constitution of Ukraine, not to mention the solution of humanitarian, economic problems and issues of mine clearance. "

The situation was commented by political analyst Alexei Chesnakov: “Kiev is moving all in.” Kuchma declares an unacceptable position in advance. This approach can hardly be regarded as a step to resolve the situation. Quite the contrary, as a game to disrupt the Minsk process. ”
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 09: 21
    22
    “Kiev is going all-in. This approach ... to disrupt the Minsk process. "

    It's time to break off the horns of these devils. This state-misunderstanding got sick of "I can't". But, damn it, everyone is waiting for the States to give "the go-ahead" - there is no way without it.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 21 January 2016 09: 30
      40
      Ukraine resembles a film about Ivan Vasilyevich when Georges Miloslavsky stole the people to war so that they would not understand that impostors were in power.
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 January 2016 09: 58
        +4
        Quote: herruvim
        Ukraine resembles a film about Ivan Vasilyevich when Georges Miloslavsky stole the people to war so that they would not understand that impostors were in power.


        And in the role of George USA.
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 21 January 2016 10: 37
          +3
          Yes, do not care what the Ukrainians want or do not want.
          In the Minsk agreements, the execution order is itemized, and they signed on to it.
          And if they now need to get on their ears to fulfill some point - then let them become, this is their problem.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 21 January 2016 10: 47
            +4
            ..... In the Minsk agreements, the execution procedure is item by item, and they signed on to it ....

            .... The problem is that they interpret these points in their own way .... There is either a flaw in the compilers (on the part of the LPNR) or the bullish stupidity and gregariousness of the "brothers" ..... I think that so far the "brothers" are not will break into the full once again (and everything goes to this, unfortunately) - there will be no understanding ... hi
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 21 January 2016 11: 02
              +5
              “Kiev is going all-in. Kuchma declares an unacceptable position in advance. This approach can hardly be regarded as a step to resolve the situation. On the contrary, it’s like a game to disrupt the Minsk process. ”

              Not for this purpose Putin drew up these Minsk agreements so that Ukraine would fulfill them!
            2. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 21 January 2016 12: 56
              +4
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              ... or bull dullness ...

              Lavrov (after negotiations with Kerry) clearly said everything in Syria and Ukraine
              and all other conjectures and "discrepancies" - let the "merchant" and the Ukrainians leave to themselves. tongue
              Sergey Lavrov's press approach following a meeting with John Kerry in Zurich
          2. musorg
            musorg 21 January 2016 13: 13
            0
            Nevertheless, verbiage will be for a long time.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2016 09: 31
      16
      Without a ceasefire and respect for silence, without a full withdrawal of heavy weapons and confirmation of this withdrawal by the OSCE, without resuming our control over the Ukrainian-Russian border, it is impossible to talk about elections or changes to the Constitution of Ukraine, not to mention the solution of humanitarian and economic problems and mine clearance issues ”

      Specially creatures disrupt the process, can not wait to go on the attack on the LDNR until spring.
      1. yushch
        yushch 21 January 2016 09: 38
        +7
        If they so want to achieve border control let them try, what problems? Once already tried, it turned out they saw everything. If you don’t want to solve problems through compromises (as is done all over the world), blood will flow again and ordinary people will suffer, unfortunately.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 January 2016 09: 53
      +8
      And the peacefulness of our leaders wasn’t enough, with the villains and we must conduct accordingly .. Trying to meet the unattainable conditions in response .. Forgotten the time of Catherine, don’t want to agree on these conditions, get by ...
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 21 January 2016 10: 07
        +3
        Quote: dmi.pris
        We are trying to meet the unrealistic conditions in response .. H

        If Ukraine does not meet the EU "wishes" (which have been agreed with Russia) regarding the implementation of the Minsk agreements, then the Ebola bacilli will be immediately found in the cotton supplied to it, especially harmful worms in the nuts, and the plague-spreading rats in the straw. And it doesn't matter what and where they find it, what is important is that it will continue tediously and for a long time, until the dill will cut into what their "partners" require from Brussels. So either "control" of the borders, or quarantine on the remnants of what is allowed to be delivered to the EU.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 January 2016 12: 36
        +1
        So, peace has bothered me. Fuck you! And then let them control the border, eastern, Lviv region ...
    4. meriem1
      meriem1 21 January 2016 09: 54
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      “Kiev is going all-in. This approach ... to disrupt the Minsk process. "

      It's time to break off the horns of these devils. This state-misunderstanding got sick of "I can't". But, damn it, everyone is waiting for the States to give "the go-ahead" - there is no way without it.

      Yaga! And let them carefully read in the agreement which clause follows which clause and that one comes from the execution of the other (previous)! Zadolbali swami interpretations curves!
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 21 January 2016 10: 51
        +1
        ..... Yaga! And let them carefully read in the agreement which clause follows which clause and that one comes from the execution of the other (previous)! Zadolbali his interpretations of curves! ...

        .... Yesterday I went to the "yellowish" resource of the "brothers", called today.ua, read the comments under this topic ..... So they seriously interpret these points (sequence) in their own way, prove with foaming at the mouth ... ..So this is the case .... hi
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 21 January 2016 12: 39
          0
          Border control clause 9. Elections, p. 4 or 5. I could be wrong, but something like this ...
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 January 2016 12: 37
        +1
        And it’s worth it, they’ve already been reading a year. What can a ram read?
  2. Dave36
    Dave36 21 January 2016 09: 23
    +1
    The Republics themselves will sabotage Minsk - for they will immediately end ...
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 21 January 2016 09: 39
      13
      Quote: Dave36
      The Republics themselves will sabotage Minsk - for they will immediately end ...


      On what basis are you making such a statement ?! What in the Minsk agreements portends the "end" of the LPNR ?! The Minsk agreements are the end of Parashenko and Co., subject to their full implementation, but not the other way around! The only minus of the Minsk agreements for the LPNR is that it does not indicate that the republics' power extends to the Lugansk and Donetsk regions entirely!

      P.S. Another thing is that nobody is going to execute these agreements, and first of all the Kiev gang of Nazis!
      1. fif21
        fif21 21 January 2016 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        What in the Minsk agreements portends the "end" of the LPNR ?! The Minsk agreements are the end of Parashenko and Co., subject to their full implementation, but not vice versa
        Different interpretation of these agreements! LDNR understands them in its own way, Kiev in its own way! The Minsk announcement according to "Kievsky" is the holding of elections under Ukrainian law by the Ukrainian Central Election Commission and pro-Ukrainian election commissions - the result is known - the LDNR is a part of Ukraine and in this case the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office ... come under the jurisdiction of Ukraine! And those who do not agree with this, automatically become criminals and terrorists. And you know what the civilized world does to terrorists. And the closure of the LDNR border with Russia is also fraught with a humanitarian catastrophe in Donbass (for example, Crimea, they shit as they can) Kiev is trying to revise the Minsk agreements, but whether Gryzlov has enough firmness is a question.
    2. lex locis
      lex locis 21 January 2016 09: 57
      +2
      The Minsk agreements are the end of ukroband, and the republics are more or less tolerable.
      You confused, soaring !!!
  3. The black
    The black 21 January 2016 09: 23
    +8
    Nobody will fulfill them in Kiev. Here, after all, what is the situation, border, elections, etc. If they do not vote in the Rada, Payette and Nuland Petya will have a perverted form. Vote - the majority of dill will declare Waltz a traitor and he will have a hopeful chance to ride in a trash can with a green brush on his head laughing
  4. avvg
    avvg 21 January 2016 09: 24
    +7
    The question of returning the border to Ukraine, only after a change in the constitution of Ukraine and after the elections in the Donbass, was voiced by Putin in a conversation with reporters from Germany, and Kuchma understood the opposite.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 21 January 2016 09: 48
      12
      Quote: avvg
      The question of returning the border to Ukraine, only after a change in the constitution of Ukraine and after the elections in the Donbass, was voiced by Putin in a conversation with reporters from Germany, and Kuchma understood the opposite.


      So, they have everything according to our saying, beloved by men: listen to a woman and do the opposite! So they listen to Russia and do the opposite! Well schizos, what to take from them ?!
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 21 January 2016 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        listen to a woman and do the opposite!

        They are most likely advised by this woman, Biden, on her last visit
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 January 2016 09: 54
      0
      Yes, he understood everything, but he will do it his own way ... Only because he is a hohol ...
    3. meriem1
      meriem1 21 January 2016 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      The question of returning the border to Ukraine, only after a change in the constitution of Ukraine and after the elections in the Donbass, was voiced by Putin in a conversation with reporters from Germany, and Kuchma understood the opposite.

      This is how it is written in the punctuation of the Minsk agreements! The points. Ukrainian "politicians" apparently do not know what will happen when you try to rearrange the actions, if you want (sorry) to go to the toilet. The embarrassment will turn out and wet pants. Everything was clear before! Now ALL questions to Merkel and Hollande !!! Let Us explain why their protégés refuse to carry out the document signed by them, the implementation of which the Heads of Germany and France must ensure.
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 21 January 2016 10: 27
        +7
        So they have their own mantra ... This is Russia, it turns out, must comply with the Minsk agreements
        1. fif21
          fif21 21 January 2016 12: 45
          +1
          Quote: Alexanast
          It turns out that Russia must comply with the Minsk agreements
          If, then Russia should first of all stop the Russian genocide in Ukraine with all available means and punish those responsible for the destruction and persecution of the Russian population. And how independence is instilled in the temporarily occupied territories of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions is a separate issue and very instructive.
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  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 21 January 2016 09: 24
    0
    Is there an open door in the mental hospital? Probably there is nobody to force to read the Minsk agreements? Something is not right here, it’s not for nothing that such nonsense appears in the media, since they are to someone it is beneficial, the question is who is benefiting from this stuffing. This is equivalent to putting on pants over your head. Yeah, what is pop, such is the parish.
  6. chikenous59
    chikenous59 21 January 2016 09: 24
    +2
    Gentlemen, where did the article about the Turkish vise go?
  7. venaya
    venaya 21 January 2016 09: 26
    +4
    Nobody seems to be able to completely disrupt the Minsk process, but bargaining, constantly provoking the opposite side, is forever. Only in this way is it worth considering the attempts of our neighbors, because they themselves have acceptable options oh how little.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 21 January 2016 09: 26
    +6
    "Trilateral contact group on resolving the situation in the Ukrainian southeast." Interfax-Ukraine, citing its sources, said that the group in the first quarter of 2016 will meet in Minsk twice a month, "with a difference of 13-14 days."
    zzzzz
    So Kuchma wanted to ride for the state account. Again, remind of yourself. What? When Yusch came. soon the inscriptions "Danilych! Sorry!" Suddenly, and now set his sights on the presidency? instead of Petya, they may well be re-elected.
  9. A-Sim
    A-Sim 21 January 2016 09: 26
    +5
    The only effective negotiations on this issue are possible in the format of the Laurels-Kerry-Biden. All the rest are extras.
  10. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 21 January 2016 09: 28
    12
    "Let us slaughter everyone there, and then how will we hold fair, fair elections!" ... And this miserable was the president of this unfinished - no wonder they are so deep in ...
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 January 2016 09: 29
    +2
    It is felt that these dances are for a long time.
    Until they pass the federalization law,
    nothing will come of it.
  12. prabiz
    prabiz 21 January 2016 09: 30
    +2
    “Kiev goes for broke.!” LET KIEV GO TO * OPU WITH SUCH APPROACH!
  13. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 21 January 2016 09: 31
    +3
    Who’s talking about the bathhouse! They are told to sheep like the Minsk-2 agreement, the points there that should be executed in order of succession, here’s the UN resolution that enshrined Minsk-2, the order of its implementation, they’re not a good idea they can’t keep all of their Bandera leadership so to speak for their cause and non-fulfillment of all these agreements, there is a breakdown of Minsk-2 and all the consequences follow from here! they all want to stick in the back who will allow them.
  14. askort154
    askort154 21 January 2016 09: 32
    +1
    "Minsk-2" - American-Ukrainian chewing gum. The longer you chew, the more it sticks.
  15. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 January 2016 09: 32
    +8
    establishing control over the Ukrainian border with Russia, resuming the work of the Ukrainian media, disarming militants, admitting an OSCE mission, withdrawing Russian troops from Ukraine, ”
    Read this nonsense carefully! And you don’t want Kemsky volost?
  16. AlexTires
    AlexTires 21 January 2016 09: 33
    0
    And what is it suddenly raining down everywhere, how would I say ... whether there are excuses about the failure of the ongoing policy of appeasement of the ukronazists?
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 21 January 2016 10: 30
      0
      Bablos chop.
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  17. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 21 January 2016 09: 33
    +3
    This is the whole question. You can easily accuse the republics and Russia of violating "Minsk". And how will you give control over the border? This is a connection with the mainland. The border will be closed, and that's all, the Novorossiysk army until the first battle (figuratively speaking) and you can go hand-to-hand to break through the border and retreat to Russia. Without supplies and a strong rear, it is difficult to fight.
  18. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 21 January 2016 09: 34
    +4
    Yes, hohlopiteks do not need any, neither Minsk, nor any other agreements! They need money from the IMF and the EU, the rest is everything! And they observe, at the direction of the ocean, they do not intend to observe anything. Russia is to blame for everything, so it must do everything! What all? And this does not play a role, fulfill, and EVERYTHING !!!
  19. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 21 January 2016 09: 37
    +3
    Yes, the year Minsk2 was signed, and it looks like Ukraine has not yet been read, especially the sequence of implementation of the clauses of the agreement, Poroshenko also did not read when he signed, because he was ordered to sign by asking if the conditions for crossing the border are under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he answered, and what I didn’t say in the account, the USA then moved in and realized what the focus was on the clever GDP, but Merkel and Hollande bought this focus. IMHO
  20. The black
    The black 21 January 2016 09: 37
    +4
    Statements of Kiev, London, Warsaw ... unfortunately, this suggests that Kiev, trying to please Washington, is trying to disrupt the fulfillment of the conditions of the Minsk agreements, this could negatively affect relations between Independent and Europe (especially Germany and France)., but who will let them open their mouth. Uncle Sam will immediately put them in their place. .
  21. evil partisan
    evil partisan 21 January 2016 09: 38
    +3
    Hahly really read the document from the bottom up. The border is written in the last paragraph of the Minsk Agreements.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 January 2016 10: 16
      +4
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Hahly really read the document from the bottom up

      And it seems to me that from right to left ..., "ukroaraby", you know .. For the most advanced, it's time to introduce "cuneiform", with one swing of the sledgehammer comes ... Hello, most harsh drinks !
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 21 January 2016 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        worst

        No. As for the worst - I didn’t even stand by your side. Boars will confirm yes.
        Hi, a thunderstorm of boars.
  22. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 21 January 2016 09: 39
    12
    "On Wednesday in Minsk at a regular meeting of the Contact Group, the Ukrainian side announced that it would not discuss the issue of elections in the Donbass until the state border section came under control of Kiev ..."- It was 2026 ...
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2016 09: 44
    +1
    They decided that the independence won by blood will be given to them just like that? They forgot to jump, or rather, to jump. There the sequence was clear, the "sum" changed greatly from the change of places of the terms.
  24. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 21 January 2016 09: 49
    +3
    In fact, a close examination of the "Minsk Agreements" reveals one very interesting feature: the Kiev delegation is headed by a "former", and not one of the current Kiev leaders, which suggests the original intention to resolve all "issues" in favor of Kiev! It will turn out - good, but it will not work, then what to take from the "former" and fulfill such agreements is not necessary! And at the same time, it is petty for Russia to "shit on the porch" and based on this, I got the impression that all these are "links" one political chain, which the US State Department "forged" for Ukraine and I am not afraid to suggest that for the whole of Europe!
  25. German Titov
    German Titov 21 January 2016 09: 52
    +4
    The law is not written to fools, if it is not written it is read. If the reading is not understood, if the understanding is not so.
  26. lex locis
    lex locis 21 January 2016 09: 54
    +1
    After establishing control over the border with Russia, punishers from terrorist battalions will simply choose who they need, and not the residents of Donbass. And dissenters are disposed of in concentration camps.
    Obviously unacceptable conditions.
    There’s nothing to talk to them about.
    Crush and crush American hirelings, like bugs. Moreover, there is nothing apart from the stench.
  27. tomcat117
    tomcat117 21 January 2016 09: 55
    +1
    “Elections in the occupied territories of Donbass can only happen if a number of important prerequisites are fulfilled: establishing control over the Ukrainian border with Russia, resuming the work of the Ukrainian media, disarming militants, allowing the OSCE mission, withdrawing Russian troops from Ukraine” ...

    Again, everything is in the style of Khokhlyat: the cart in front of the horse or upside down.
    Own interpretation of the provisions of "Minks-2".
    Tu.payaya obstinacy will again lead to war, it seems everything is going to that.
  28. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 21 January 2016 09: 59
    +1
    A couple of days ago I read the censor. In Ukraine, a vote on the amendment of the constitution is scheduled for January 28. Let's see what they will vote there and will there really be such a vote? Shouting: "Disgusting and unconstitutional"
    1. mart-kot
      mart-kot 21 January 2016 11: 56
      0
      but I can’t go to the censor, they say the forbidden site, how do you get around?
    2. mart-kot
      mart-kot 21 January 2016 11: 56
      0
      but I can’t go to the censor, they say the forbidden site, how do you get around?
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 21 January 2016 12: 37
        0
        Google is a translator to help. Or look for unbroken proxies.
  29. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 21 January 2016 10: 03
    +2
    Gentlemen, let's be realistic. Nobody, on the other hand, was going to and is not going to implement the Minsk agreements. Countless pretexts will be devised for this. This is an artificial prolongation of the conflict, and hoping that the parties will agree is simply stupid. The source of tension in Europe, and even on the border with Russia , FAVORABLE to the states, and they will support him MUCH, HOW MUCH NEEDED. No matter how sad it is, peace on this earth will come only after a good war and the collapse of the country. Ukraine was simply exchanged. But the saddest thing is that it was exchanged with the help of the Ukrainians themselves.
  30. BOB044
    BOB044 21 January 2016 10: 07
    +1
    Elections in the occupied territories of Donbass can only happen if a number of important prerequisites are fulfilled: establishing control over the Ukrainian border with Russia, resuming the work of the Ukrainian media, disarming militants, allowing the OSCE mission, withdrawing Russian troops from Ukraine, ”
    The border is under the control of Kiev, a civilian population that does not agree with Kiev under the muzzle of nationalist guns and elections will be held in favor of Kiev. Kukish to you gentlemen from Kiev. Look for fools elsewhere. hi
  31. avva2012
    avva2012 21 January 2016 10: 10
    0
    "The withdrawal of Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine," said the representative of the Ukrainian president, Irina Gerashchenko, from the village of Krakovets.
  32. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 21 January 2016 10: 16
    +1
    The implementation of the Minsk agreements has long been at an impasse. And the reason is not the question of the border, but the Khokhlov power with its curators.
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 January 2016 10: 17
    +4
    Once again I was convinced that I was right. If you give the border to the Maidan, the population of Ukraine will be greatly reduced, some will leave for Russia, others will simply be killed, moreover, they will quietly open the new 37 year in short or like in Germany during Hitler’s time. Under the guise of legality, they will arrest, and then only God knows. Therefore, no boundaries, other than how we differ from these ghouls.
    And one more important moment. If everything goes according to the plan of these wretched, then they will believe in their rightness and exclusiveness, and here there will be fun in a radius of 1000 km. It’s like an impudent person, if you don’t give it to the snout right away, it will continue to impudent, increasing your demands. But this is one, and here a whole nation has come to believe in its impunity. What follows will not be difficult to predict. At one time there was no one to kill Hitler, how it ended, everyone knows. And there is no doubt that if they succeed along the border, we will get a fascist country at hand. True, steering will not be gunpowder, he will not have enough abilities, but there is a gray cardinal there.
    Therefore, two ways remain. Either the Minsk agreements are brought to a logical conclusion, or, no matter how cynical the war is. It is strictly forbidden to leave in a smoldering state. If after 60-70 years Bandera surfaced, it can continue to blaze at any time. And as for what they will begin to say, as you can, these are human lives, I will say one thing, remember how many people were put in to calm Hitler. It is better to resolve the issue once and for all, than then bite your elbows, looking at the developing fascist country.
    If you let the current ukrokhunta win, then calm her down, put an order of magnitude more people. And another question, and who will then reassure Ukraine, Europeans?
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 21 January 2016 10: 27
      0
      And then this.
      Media: Yaresko announced "new steps to return Crimea"
      http://ria.ru/world/20160121/1362566827.html
      And no major lifting of sanctions.
      The West shakes the carrot-carrot in front of the donkey’s face in the form of lifting the sanctions, and in order not to twitch behind his back, he holds a club in the form of an increase in units in the East.
      NATO wants to discuss with Moscow the conflict in Ukraine and the exercises of the RF Armed Forces
      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/108526/
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 January 2016 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Good AAAH
        And then this.


        Do you remember - "And Vaska listens, but eats." In this case, we are Vaska. Let her claim that she is from the planet Alpha Centauri, so what?

        Are you seriously hoping for the lifting of sanctions?
        If you want, I can throw off a couple of statues.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 21 January 2016 10: 57
          0
          Of course not. I hope that with Minsk2 in Ukraine, they just pull the rubber. But someone may have a different opinion.
  34. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 21 January 2016 10: 24
    +1
    Minsk-2 is the same corpse as Minsk-1. Only to keep it in such an impracticable (stinking) form, all participants in the process will be the last - until SGA Yellowstone bury.
  35. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 January 2016 10: 29
    -1
    games of confusion and insepayment continue. From ancient times, children in Russi were flogged with a belt for this, but Euro-ass and those who joined them needed rods.
    Donbas will not give up the border. Give the convoy with the rods !!!
  36. Lelek
    Lelek 21 January 2016 10: 39
    +2
    “Elections in the occupied territories of Donbass can only happen if a number of important prerequisites are fulfilled: establishing control over the Ukrainian border with Russia, resuming the work of the Ukrainian media, disarming militants, allowing the OSCE mission, withdrawing Russian troops from Ukraine”

    Every new politician is a luminary. The former Ukraine is rich in downs. So Irina Gerashchenko added her contribution to the Kiev "heap".
    Kiev will not implement the roadmap of the Minsk agreements, will not.
    (pictured by I. Gerashchenko)
  37. Belarus
    Belarus 21 January 2016 11: 04
    +1
    It is clear and understandable to everyone that the implementation of the Minsk agreements by Kiev is the end of all the power of the current "power" in Kiev. I will never believe that no one from the EU or the United States can influence this pig named Parasha. It is sad, but it seems that everything can go in the worst case scenario.
    Look for yourself at the episode with Saakashvili, who, as they say, arranged a PR with a trip to the punitive battalion "Storm" near Mariupol from a different angle. Are the military such suckers that they showed the map (it is not clear that this map is real), a secret checkpoint and indeed the whole inside out battalion under the camera so from good intentions? It seems that the DLNR armies just invite you to Mariupol and say: look, we showed you our secrets, so we ask you to attack - well, something like that. And Sahak is also not such a complete sucker to go where he has no relationship and smack that bullshit. Lots of questions.
    And the question of the border, this may be a reason for refusing the Minsk agreements, or they simply take time in the hope that they will succeed in some kind of provocation.
    And here the question arises of the trip of Sahaki to Mariupol.
    And imagine if the provocation succeeds, the question of the border will be decided by itself in favor of the pig power in Kiev.
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 21 January 2016 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      Look for yourself at the episode with Saakashvili, who, as they say, set up a PR with a trip to the punitive battalion "Storm" near Mariupol from a different angle ... And Sahak is also not such a complete sucker to go where he has nothing to do and flog that nonsense. Many questions.

      At the expense of PR, everything is correct. At the expense of the card - not a fig was shown there secret. But I will note that Saakashvili's trip has a different logic. He is the governor of the Odessa region, and "Storm" is the Odessa battalion. Saakashvili criticized the soldiers' conditions of service. And the battalion commander filed a letter of resignation: “due to disagreements with the leadership of the National Police of Ukraine,” that is, with Avakov. That is, Saakashvili continues to dig for Avakov.
  38. VeteranVS
    VeteranVS 21 January 2016 11: 18
    +1
    taxied ... even the text of the agreement, signed by themselves to read, is unable to understand the sequence of actions on it. what is performance here? I have no words.
  39. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2016 11: 46
    0
    like a game to disrupt the Minsk process

    And did anyone but the West still doubt it?
  40. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 21 January 2016 12: 18
    +1
    It is as if the patient would be given a list of procedures ...
    X-ray
    Colonoscopy
    Enema
    Gastroscopy
    Injections
    And all this will be done by a beautiful nurse.

    So the "ancient Ukrainians" want to choose only a nurse from the entire list ... without any accompanying medical efforts.
    But instead of a nurse they will get a "nurse with a gun."
  41. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 January 2016 12: 42
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    It was necessary to enter in '14, and trample all this screwing tanks. If then I doubted, now I'm sure of it, this is the only right decision.
  42. poma
    poma 21 January 2016 13: 16
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    But really, they want control over the edge - let them establish what is interfering with that? The guarantor of theirs said that two days would be enough.
  43. to love
    to love 21 January 2016 15: 58
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    Two questions are alarming, for which I can not find an answer yet:
    1. where to get so much land in the near future to bury these Svidomo;
    2. Ukraine will still have to be restored at the expense of Russia (when this mess ends).
  44. samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 January 2016 17: 37
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    "" Kiev goes all-in. Kuchma declares an unacceptable position in advance ".... and what, someone expected something different from Kiev? ... The LDNR rests only on the courage of the remnants of the militia and the indecision of curators from Brussels and Moscow. .. There are too many "abominations" in the "headquarters" ...
  45. 4ekist
    4ekist 21 January 2016 23: 26
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    Quote: Ami du peuple
    “Kiev is going all-in. This approach ... to disrupt the Minsk process. "

    It's time to break off the horns of these devils. This state-misunderstanding got sick of "I can't". But, damn it, everyone is waiting for the States to give "the go-ahead" - there is no way without it.

    Ukrainians have become a favorite expression - occupied territories, border control, etc. And why do they need a border there? Someone who has occupied something is unclear. These tv @ ri were not yet responsible for the downed civilian aircraft, for shelling a farm in the Rostov Region. So they threaten us, but on our part it’s quiet.