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Kiev - to "Gazprom": you will not pay under the new tariff - we will meet in court

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Kiev will file a lawsuit in Stockholm arbitration if Gazprom refuses to pay for the transit of fossil fuels at a new rate, reports RIA News statement by the head of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine, Vladimir Demchishin.




Ukraine at the beginning of the year increased the gas transit rate by more than 1,5 times for Gazprom from $ 2,7 to $ 4,5 per 1 thousand cubic meters per 100 km.

"Now the question of negotiations with Gazprom, his conviction that he should switch to the new principles of tariff formation," said the minister, recalling that "tariffs for the transportation of gas through the territory of the country are valid from January 1 2016 of the year."

To the question “what will the Ukrainian government do if the Russian side refuses to pay at new rates,” Demchishin replied: “You know that we have a meeting place in Stockholm”.

The agency recalls that the agreement on the transit of fuel between Naftogaz and Gazprom was signed in 2009 and will be valid until 2019.
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 08: 31
    37
    Demchishin replied: "You know that we have a meeting place in Stockholm."

    You’ll see you, my dear — you will meet in the Basmanny Court. With the prosecutor.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 21 January 2016 08: 32
      47
      - How much is the chicken? - 100 bucks. - And what is so expensive? - Yes, a lot of money is needed!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 08: 34
        22
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        And what is so expensive? - Yes, a lot of money is needed!

        and if you don’t buy
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 21 January 2016 08: 38
          11
          Kiev - to "Gazprom": you will not pay under the new tariff - we will meet in court

          No, we will not supply gas at new rates!
          But seriously, all these Ukrainian Wishlist, most likely, at the suggestion of Washington. That is why they are so "bold".
          1. krot
            krot 21 January 2016 08: 43
            14
            Yes, include the Caucasians in the cost of gas and tariffing, even if they pay for ukrov.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 21 January 2016 09: 13
              41
              The following tricky sales scheme is assumed here.

              The fact is that Ukraine no longer has the right to buy Russian gas DIRECTLY from the Russian Federation. Namely.
              Ukraine received a loan for the purchase of gas, provided that it will buy only reverse gas - that is, from EU countries. At the same time, the price of reverse gas is higher than the price of Russian gas for direct Russian supplies to Ukraine. Europe profits from the resale of Russian gas to Ukraine. But Ukraine wants to make up for this profit of the EU countries from Russia - by increasing tariffs for Russia to transport gas through Ukraine to Europe.
              As a result, it turns out with such a scheme that Europe makes profit, and Russia, instead of Ukraine, has to pay a bribe to Russia - despite the fact that Ukraine remains again with gas at a price, like for European countries.
              It turns out an informal reduction in the price of Russian gas for European countries.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 21 January 2016 11: 02
                +4
                Quote: Tatiana
                The following tricky sales scheme is assumed here.


                For any "trick" you can come up with an equally cunning answer. How long does the GTS work without repair? Here. It's time to start repairs, otherwise, God forbid, it will explode. So, for a year, Europe will have to be patient and use Nord Stream 100%, not 65%, as it is now, and hurry up with the decision on backup pipes. You want to live, and basically without problems? (IMHO).
          2. cniza
            cniza 21 January 2016 08: 44
            +6
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: oldseaman1957
            And what is so expensive? - Yes, a lot of money is needed!

            and if you don’t buy



            And jokes do not need to be composed.
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          4. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 21 January 2016 08: 53
            37
            "Ukraine at the beginning of the year increased the gas transit rate for Gazprom by more than 1,5 times - from $ 2,7 to $ 4,5 per 1 cubic meters per 100 km."

            Tell me, is this in Ukrainian zrada or peremoga ?! Otherwise, I'm already confused in their terms! And why hasn't news from country 404 surprise me for a long time ?! For two years now I have had the feeling that the most violent wake up there first, who put on the first robe is the doctor! Dear "non-brothers" you are not in Stockholm, you are in The Hague as Nazi criminals! Although The Hague will most likely acquit you, so a new tribunal is needed, only not in Nuremberg, but somewhere in Zhitomir!
            1. avt
              avt 21 January 2016 09: 31
              +8
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              "Ukraine at the beginning of the year increased the gas transit rate for Gazprom by more than 1,5 times - from $ 2,7 to $ 4,5 per 1 cubic meters per 100 km."

              In fact, no one raised anything, as actually quoted in the article
              "Now the question of negotiations with Gazprom, his conviction that he should switch to the new principles of tariff formation," said the minister, recalling that "tariffs for the transportation of gas through the territory of the country are valid from January 1 2016 of the year."
              Well, in the course of these “negotiations, Gazprom“ first revived the article in the agreement - “take and pay, or don't take, but pay.” So this is all artistic whistle, as well as the “freezing” of loan payments at 3 yards and negotiations Jareski .... through Germany wassat about its restructuring. Stupidly there are no pennies - a default on a scientific one. Or a senile paramogue with two paramogue zrad. laughing
            2. inkass_98
              inkass_98 21 January 2016 09: 40
              +9
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Tell me, is this in Ukrainian zrad or overwhelming ?!

              This is where the so-called. "Wheel of genotyping", when any reward automatically turns into zrada. In this example, it looks like this: Ruina demands from Russia to pay at inflated tariffs for gas transit through the Ruins territory. Peremoga, the tariff increases about three times, the rocks are ready to panu, Mordor, represented by Gazprom, is put to shame, since they are ready to drag him around the ships. And immediately the peremoga turns into zrada: the contract is concluded for 10 years, the validity period ends in 2019, and a unilateral increase in the transit tariff is hardly spelled out there. And Russia quite officially says - to graze everyone, we will pay within the framework of the contract, and at the same time get a bill for 2,5 yards of dollars for violating the "take or pay" condition. By the way, Russia has not unilaterally applied this rule since 2014, but then the skippers themselves begged.
              Now, think that in the end Ruinushka will receive and where the court will send her along with her Wishlist. hi
            3. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 10: 19
              +8
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Tell me, is this in Ukrainian zrad or overwhelming ?! And then I'm already confused in their terms!

              Use a zradometer smile
              1. Executer
                Executer 21 January 2016 11: 09
                +7
                Pictures draw well. Only a fool is not included in Kuev, but in Moscow!
                Everyone was screaming - default in Ukraine ... And as a result? You look at the hryvnia to ruble exchange rate and then draw your pictures! Hryvnia over the past month - two did not move a fraction from the sharera! And the ruble? So where is the default and collapse of the economy?
                Minus health, couch strategists!
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                2. pts-m
                  pts-m 21 January 2016 12: 23
                  +6
                  as the Urinovites themselves say ... the hryvnia rested in a Bose, that’s not moving. and the ruble is beating with the adversary, an empty piece of paper-a dohlyar ...
                3. svd-xnumx
                  svd-xnumx 21 January 2016 20: 03
                  0
                  Everyone was screaming - default in Ukraine ... And as a result? You look at the hryvnia to ruble exchange rate and then draw your pictures! Hryvnia over the past month - two did not move a fraction from the sharera!

                  Date 1 USD to 10 UAH
                  21.01.2016 2.4751
                  20.01.2016 2.4651
                  19.01.2016 2.4401
                  16.01.2016 2.4125
                  15.01.2016 2.3926
                  14.01.2016 2.3311
                  13.01.2016 2.33
                  12.01.2016 2.3551
                  01.01.2016 2.4029
                  31.12.2015 2.3925
                  30.12.2015 2.365
                  29.12.2015 2.3751
                  26.12.2015 2.2951
                  25.12.2015 2.2951
                  24.12.2015 2.295
                  23.12.2015 2.3451
                  22.12.2015 2.3601
            4. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 January 2016 14: 01
              +1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              "Ukraine at the beginning of the year increased the gas transit rate for Gazprom by more than 1,5 times - from $ 2,7 to $ 4,5 per 1 cubic meters per 100 km." ?! And then I'm already confused in their terms! And why hasn't news from country 404 surprise me for a long time ?! For two years now I have had a feeling that the most violent ones wake up there first, who put on the first robe, he and the doctor!

              It odnaznachno zrada)))
              Quote: Tatiana
              The following tricky sales scheme is assumed here. The fact is that Ukraine no longer has the right to buy Russian gas DIRECTLY from the Russian Federation. Namely.

              No, no one has deprived Ukraine of the right to buy gas from Russia. Everything is much simpler.
              The gas transit agreement stipulates that Russia can increase supplies to 100 billion cubic meters. In fact, something was pumped in the region of 60 billion. These remaining 40 billion do not give rest to the dill, and therefore they decided to raise the tariff. But the fact is that the key word in the agreement "may", that is, it may increase, or may not. Having learned this "overkill" they got "zrada" and that's why - the same agreement provides for the principle of pay and take in the volume of the agreed supply, that is, even a non-selectable volume must be paid. Considering that there is nothing to take from these rogues, Russia did not impose penalties for shortfalls and waved its hand - they say, for how much you pay, so much will be put. And now, after this "trick with the ears," the blue-yellow in their feeble mind miraculously acquired hemorrhoids in the form that Gazprom will now roll out the ball on paying a fine for shortfall in a couple of years, which will result in Svidomo 10 billions to all other debts)))
              So - this is a siege.
          5. pvv113
            pvv113 21 January 2016 18: 03
            +1
            Dill wouldn’t have had its own mind wink
        2. venaya
          venaya 21 January 2016 08: 45
          +4
          Vasilenko Vladimir"don't buy"- What talents are lost!
          New in business relationships, no one has come up with this yet. We are waiting for the following innovations in international trade relations, since there is no money in Ukraine and there will not be any money, there will only be new ideas in the same spirit.
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 21 January 2016 15: 53
            0
            but I’m interested in another - isn’t such an unreasonable demand of the country of the transit country the reason for terminating the gas transit agreement as a whole? eh, look at how the grounds for terminating the gas supply agreement to Western Europe are formulated. Will Miller decide to prematurely terminate the contract and cut off gas supplies through Ukraine with the transfer to SP-1 transferred, who has any opinion?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 January 2016 17: 44
              0
              Quote: wasjasibirjac
              Will Miller decide to prematurely terminate the contract and cut off gas supplies through Ukraine with the transfer to SP-1 transferred, who has any opinion?

              No, it will not be decided, because the contract, it is a contract in Africa as well - its termination is fraught with penalties and payment of forfeit. Do we need it?
              Here, as in the proverb - "A cat scratches on its spine," so Ukraine plays a fool on its head. They only have to wave their pipe for 3 years, and then with the launch of the SP-2 they will cease to be a transit country. If two years ago the Americans and Europeans seriously considered the issue of acquiring the Ukrainian gas transportation system, today no one wants to invest in this pipe, since there are no guarantees of its filling from 2019.
        3. andre
          andre 21 January 2016 10: 17
          +8
          It is a pity that our government serves the oligarchy. If instead of the Turkish-Bulgarian flows, we carried gas into our country "[i] The government noted a significant increase in the level of gasification of Russian regions with natural gas: it is now 64,4 percent. In rural settlements, however, the percentage is lower - 53,1 . ". Well, you gasify the country of Herods !!!
        4. Evrepid
          Evrepid 21 January 2016 13: 26
          0
          10001 honest way of weaning money! :)
          This is the 2016th :)
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 21 January 2016 08: 36
        +5
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        How much is chicken? - 100 bucks. - And what is so expensive? - Yes, a lot of money is needed!

        Vasily Ivanovich, with Petka in the desert, Petka sells water to Vasily Ivanovich, in an impromptu bazaar, how much water, a box of gold, why is it so expensive? go find it cheaper.
        It’s a pity we won’t succeed with them, but we don’t offend holy fools.
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      3. Riv
        Riv 21 January 2016 08: 41
        19
        Not so little.

        - Girl, let's sleep for $ 10.
        - For whom do you take me ???
        - Well, please, girl! I really need money.
      4. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 21 January 2016 10: 51
        +1
        But there is no problem, Now it’s freezing and blizzard that the Khokhlov’s damper cannot be blocked due to freezing valves and the inability to get repair crews to the accident site due to skidding and the lack of a rem kit that was not supplied by Western manufacturers due to sanctions.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2016 08: 37
      30
      Do not take impudence to beggars, let gas be extracted in this way.
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    3. Blondy
      Blondy 21 January 2016 08: 44
      +7
      And what is there to jerk, everything is written in the contracts - they are subject to obligatory execution (Tymoshenko even served time for them in due time), and here are some Wishlist. Yes, let them complain even to Stockholm, even to God, the effect will be the same.
    4. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 21 January 2016 08: 53
      14
      “You know that we have a meeting place in Stockholm.”

      In early February, Gazprom will pay for the gas transit the agreed amount under the contract - nothing more.
      If Naftogaz accepts it, then it will de facto agree with the old rates and terms of the contract. At the same time, the reputation of the company, however, as well as the reputation of the country, will seriously suffer.
      If Naftogaz refuses to receive a directed payment, then in the medium term it will be left without money at all. While the company will go to court, until a decision is made, while there will be an appeal, Naftogaz will sit on a starvation diet.
      The third option, which actually drives the second mechanism, but with a slight delay, is to take the money and write a claim that the money was not received in full. And then return to the story of the courts and a miserable existence.

      The most likely scenario is the first.
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 21 January 2016 09: 50
        +2
        And I think the most likely option is the third. Gabonians will never give up money, but will continue to whine that they have not been paid extra.
    5. Korney84
      Korney84 21 January 2016 09: 58
      -1
      Yes, and do not care. Firstly, they will no longer be given a discount, Secondly, customers from Europe will still pay (the price of gas also includes its transportation). So they do nasty things to their "friends" from the EU!
    6. vic58
      vic58 21 January 2016 10: 09
      0
      No, rather in the Hague ... if after Ukrainian lustration they get it and wash it off)))
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 21 January 2016 10: 16
        -1
        Independence is ...

        Sucking to the pipe mos * alay once again
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 21 January 2016 11: 43
          +1
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Sucking to the pipe mos * alay once again

          Somehow it sounds suspicious belay
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 21 January 2016 12: 45
            0
            But does such an independence look not suspicious? laughing

            Cons from Svidomo pahodom. Not extinct to the end. Well, nothing, soon circumstances will bring you to consciousness

    7. Skif83
      Skif83 21 January 2016 13: 39
      0
      You’ll see you, my dear, in the Basmanny court you will meet. With the prosecutor

      Yes, they do not need to meet with the prosecutor, but immediately with the executioner, after having greased his forehead with green paint! laughing
    8. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 21 January 2016 14: 04
      0
      They are all crazy there.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 21 January 2016 08: 31
    +3
    Wait for a general meeting in the Rada and a couple of Caliber there. We got it. A state of beggars, living in debt and at the same time still requiring all the money!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 21 January 2016 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      A state of rogue living in debt and still demanding money from everyone!


      This is Kakhlyat’s favorite pastime - to squeeze out at least something from someone, but here is the Khkhaz! These holodrazhites immediately have an unhealthy gleam in their eyes.
  3. O. Bender
    O. Bender 21 January 2016 08: 32
    +1
    That would put people on a brazen, sly erysipelas!
  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 08: 33
    +8
    I like this statement of the question, Ukrainians do not want to buy gas at a high price, and if Russia does not want to transit at a high price, then to Russia to court? !!!
    this is some kind of sur !!!!
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 21 January 2016 13: 29
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I like this statement of the question, Ukrainians do not want to buy gas at a high price, and if Russia does not want to transit at a high price, then to Russia to court? !!!
      this is some kind of sur !!!!

      And at what high price is gas to Ukraine?
      In the news of newspapers there was infa that they are again ready to give them a discount.
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 21 January 2016 08: 33
    0
    In which chamber is Napoleon? What else will throw this circus? Their talent would be yes to the theater.
    These all statements are equivalent to how a person runs to meet a train, and shouts, get out of the way, ASKED.
  6. OlegV
    OlegV 21 January 2016 08: 39
    +5
    Isn't the relationship obvious?
    an increase in transit rates will increase gas prices for gay consumers?
    Has the Ukrainian government really not calculated this?

    and most importantly, Europe is silent ..... there is nothing to enlighten at the end of their future Europeans-brothers who are insolent.

    although in my opinion there has long since given up, say don’t speak, but to them all the dew of God
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 January 2016 08: 44
      0
      And to them, what's the difference how to lend them?
    2. Leviton
      Leviton 21 January 2016 08: 52
      +3
      Quote: OlegV
      an increase in transit rates will increase gas prices for gay consumers?
      Has the Ukrainian government really not calculated this?

      The price is determined a little differently by the contract and is invariable for the consumer, the calculation is based on the cost of oil, but not on the terms of transit, which is laid down on the basis of the terms of the transit agreement, which the rulers of the 404 countries decided to unilaterally change. An increase in the price of a gas contract with consumers is possible only for the next year (well, we are not Ukrainians so that we can unilaterally revise the contract ...) In general, it seems to me that legs grow here because of a large puddle in order to bring a more equal price with LNG, and Gay Europeans thought it was more profitable to take LNG from the states than to take incomprehensible natural gas from Russia, which could be used by new "friends" Ukrainians ...
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 21 January 2016 09: 02
        -1
        Quote: LevITon
        what is more profitable to take LNG from the states

        The states do not and cannot have surplus LNG for sale. T.N. "shale gas" LNG is not)).
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 21 January 2016 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: OlegV
      an increase in the transit rate will entail an increase in gas prices for gay-European consumers

      I would not be surprised if Gazprom pays extra for such officials from Ukraine. After all, the rate, once increased in court, becomes the basis for revising the cost of transit everywhere. And who is our largest owner of pipeline systems?))
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 21 January 2016 14: 10
      0
      Quote: OlegV
      But isn’t the relationship obvious? Increasing the transit rate will increase gas prices for gay consumers?

      Doubtful.
      Prices are laid down in supply contracts, and their reduction or increase depends on the cost of oil (interesting link), and not on the vagaries of the transit.
      By the way, the whims of the transit can not be recognized as privileged, according to previously concluded contracts for transit, unilaterally. So let them go to court. They also have to pay legal costs from their leaky pockets)))
  7. The black
    The black 21 January 2016 08: 41
    +2
    Quote: OlegV
    Isn't the relationship obvious?
    an increase in transit rates will increase gas prices for gay consumers?
    Has the Ukrainian government really not calculated this?

    All this is true, but Gazprom only announced its readiness to make a discount on gas for Europe, as much as $ 100. sad
  8. O. Bender
    O. Bender 21 January 2016 08: 41
    0
    Specially beacons about the refusal of gas purchases, now they will blackmail transit to Europe. It is necessary to deal with the suppliers of tn "Reverse gas". It is clear that under the contracts the gas price cannot be changed by the GP independently. The brand of a reliable supplier is a great hindrance. Situyovina is not good. All top managers gp on a rack once such a scenario and distribution points to the border of the Russian Federation disappeared.
  9. Anshe2
    Anshe2 21 January 2016 08: 43
    +2
    Sami accustomed them to a freebie, now we are reaping the benefits.
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 January 2016 08: 43
    0
    And I would offer them an option, transit through debt, there approx. 30 billion, sort of ..? Enough for a long time. And not a penny of money.
  11. Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 21 January 2016 08: 44
    0
    What about a "magic" valve?
  12. mpzss
    mpzss 21 January 2016 08: 45
    +4
    we need to make it easier, put Europe before the choice, we pump gas for them at the old price for transit, pay the old price for rubbish, and if they don’t agree, then they shut the pipe and then we shrug and say that Europe itself would be with them understood (on our part, because the gas pipelines are full)! along the way, we drive gas along the northern stream, and there let them figure it out, to whom it is enough, and to whom not!
  13. Neophyte
    Neophyte 21 January 2016 08: 47
    +1
    It's easier to sell gas from hubs on the border with Ukropiya at a lower price, that's when
    The EU will force extortionists from Ukraine!
  14. kapitan92
    kapitan92 21 January 2016 08: 48
    10
    ...... Demchishin replied: "You know that we have a meeting place - in Stockholm."
    Already not even funny! The transit contract until the end of 2019, the tariffs are clearly spelled out. No court will side with a country that is unilaterally trying to change the terms of the contract.
    Another cheap PR Ukrainians!
    In our media, a lot of time is devoted to such cheap stuff. There are enough problems.
  15. gromoseka
    gromoseka 21 January 2016 08: 49
    +2
    ... man, and man, well, buy a brick ...
  16. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 January 2016 08: 50
    +5
    “To the question“ what will the Ukrainian government do if the Russian side refuses to pay at the new rates, ”Demchishin replied:“ You know that our meeting place is in Stockholm. ”
    Meeting place can not be Changed...
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2016 08: 51
    +2
    “You know that we have a meeting place in Stockholm.”

    It is necessary to be so sure that Ukraine, even in a European court, will meet to annoy Russia. Europe spoiled this country and spoiled on its own head. Ukraine will bring many more problems to the West, but for some reason it (the West) has no idea about this until now.
  18. ARES623
    ARES623 21 January 2016 08: 52
    +1
    Still, confidence in the impartiality of the court .... And so, options are possible. In any case, the behavior of Ukraine should cause interest among Europeans. Observing a dispute with a transit country during the heating period ... is fraught.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 21 January 2016 09: 14
      +5
      Still, confidence in the impartiality of the court .... And so, options are possible ......
      I am sure that the "West" will not agree to create such a precedent. Imagine what could happen if one party to the contract can unilaterally change prices (unit rates) for goods or services.
  19. driver
    driver 21 January 2016 08: 54
    0
    Is someone surprised? Typically hohlyadsky razvodilovo "freebie pliz".
  20. Shuttle
    Shuttle 21 January 2016 08: 58
    0
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Kiev - to "Gazprom": you will not pay under the new tariff - we will meet in court

    No, we will not supply gas at new rates!
    But seriously, all these Ukrainian Wishlist, most likely, at the suggestion of Washington. That is why they are so "bold".

    Already there is a feeling that still not all. Some Wishlist may well be Turkish. These people, in my opinion, have put the trade in the interests of their country on stream.
  21. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 08: 59
    +2
    How is it in UKRAINIAN! An old, old, bearded joke. A Ukrainian comes into the pub, nods to the saleswoman on a large mug - Pour it, it pours it, he drinks it in one fell swoop, rubs his mustache, and his skills? 22 pennies! He bucks at the saleswoman, and gives out - Pour!
  22. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 21 January 2016 09: 04
    +4
    These rogues use our gas unlike our villages
    1. edwardwar
      edwardwar 21 January 2016 09: 31
      0
      they also have no gas in the villages
      1. Just felix
        Just felix 21 January 2016 12: 53
        0
        Kakraz they have it, google. Non-gasified the smallest villages
  23. Executer
    Executer 21 January 2016 09: 13
    0
    Well, it remains to revise the terms of the contract between the supplier and the buyer in terms of transferring the cost of transportation to the buyer. Then they would look at some ...
  24. Dave36
    Dave36 21 January 2016 09: 14
    +2
    Yes, they are doing everything right .. and it will be so until we scream that we are taken forever ...
    But Miller and his team have long had to hang by their feet ... for inside the country gas and everything connected with it is gold ...
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 21 January 2016 09: 19
    +2
    hmm, Ukrainians know where to hook, economic terrorism is their credo ...
  26. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 21 January 2016 09: 21
    +2
    And they have another discount? And in general, why is the gas price linked to the price of oil? if the contract is valid until 2019 - guys go to the swamp. Or you need to shift all such increases to the Tsar.
  27. Colleague
    Colleague 21 January 2016 09: 23
    +1
    Morons fucking! Cool phrase - Do not add, do not diminish
  28. AlexTires
    AlexTires 21 January 2016 09: 29
    +3
    I always suspected that V. Demchishin was a secret agent of Gazprom, and maybe V.V. Putin, because after such a "Nord Stream 2" all of Europe will face its death, otherwise they face a cold death from an unreliable transit country, violating treaties. Otherwise, the EU will add to the crisis of "migrant refugees" the rise in gas prices and everyone will say "Thank you" to Ukraine! laughing
  29. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 21 January 2016 09: 32
    +1
    if I don’t confuse something, then the transit cost is somehow linked to the cost of the gas itself ... although Gazprom knows for sure whether dill can reasonably increase the cost of transit.
  30. 015
    015 21 January 2016 09: 35
    0
    In Ukraine, there is a proverb - D ur dumka bagatie. And there’s nothing to add, in a word and you ....
  31. Riv
    Riv 21 January 2016 09: 35
    +1
    It’s so hard for Ukraine now ...
  32. Flinky
    Flinky 21 January 2016 10: 03
    0
    "Now the question of negotiations with Gazprom, his conviction that it should switch to new principles of tariff setting"

    This "minister" has a point. Gazprom will definitely not agree.
  33. atamankko
    atamankko 21 January 2016 10: 07
    +2
    There is a contract and it must be carried out even by the Khokhlyat junta.
  34. Stinger
    Stinger 21 January 2016 11: 01
    0
    You can go to court every day. There will be no more freebies.
  35. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 21 January 2016 12: 09
    +4
    Kiev - to "Gazprom": you will not pay under the new tariff - we will meet in court

    The unprecedented IMPRESSION of Banderlog is simply shocking: in the world you will not find examples of such behavior of any country - a debtor in relation to a country - a creditor! But if you look, then, to a large extent, we ourselves are to blame with our age-old manner of pleasing, pleasing like Leopold's cat with his "let's live together" even in those cases when they openly spit on us, wipe our feet on us, or and, in general, without fear of an answer, they hit on the cheek! The ideologues of such behavior on our part, obviously, believe that in this way you can gain respect for yourself! Well, we received a lot of respect for ourselves by writing off the debtor countries an unmeasured amount of billions of "green"; For a long time, we almost kissed the leadership of Turkey, which all this time did not retreat a millimeter from its long-standing openly hostile policy towards Russia, providing all possible support to the militants - thugs in the North Caucasus, and became so insolent that it did not - I was afraid to shoot down a Russian plane and kill the pilot, making it a TV show that all anti-Russian scumbags are proud of today! Or a fresh example - the visit of the Emir of Qatar - the head of state, who has been actively pursuing an openly anti-Russian policy for so many years, supporting anti-Russian forces both inside Russia and outside it, allowing himself even an unprecedented action - the beating of the Russian ambassador! Was it necessary to bow before the emir and give him a falcon! Maybe we should have handed him the torn suit of our ambassador to replace it with a new one! Or the same Ukraine - HOW MUCH was donated to this "independent", supposedly, to help the fraternal people, how many speeches were said about eternal friendship? And where is it all? What did we get in return? Mass races under the "mosque ... ku on gilyaku" and unprecedented arrogance on the part of ukrohunta! How many more will it reach us that "good" terpily DO NOT USE respect!
  36. Just felix
    Just felix 21 January 2016 12: 49
    0
    Quote: Black

    All this is true, but Gazprom only announced its readiness to make a discount on gas for Europe, as much as $ 100. sad

    Where such information comes from, please reference.
  37. borys
    borys 21 January 2016 12: 54
    +1
    It has already become a tradition to abuse the outskirts and its inhabitants. But this problem is almost
    100% is a consequence of the collapse of the Union and the shortsightedness of the Kremlin
    and Gazprom leaders in the 90s. If you already recognized the independence of the
    us, it was necessary to draw conclusions from this. A significant part of the Soviet
    gas transmission system was in the territory and under the jurisdiction of another
    state. Accordingly, formal legal opportunities have disappeared.
    control the passage of gas through the pipe. Hence the question: how can
    to get contracts for gas supplies to Europe, if there is no real possibility
    How do you control the passage of this very gas through the pipe? In such a situation
    The elementary common sense dictates a different scheme. Namely:
    Russia borders on the outskirts, so it (and only it) sells gas;
    meters are on the border between Russia and the outskirts;
    money stopped flowing - after a few days the valve closes;
    The outskirts bought from Russia sell gas to anyone they want and on those conditions, on
    which will be agreed;
    Naturally, I would have to sell gas to the outskirts at prices slightly lower
    Central European, but getting rid of a long-term headache is worth it;
    in the absence of gas supply contracts with Europeans, the latter do not have
    grounds to make any claims to Russia (Gazprom);
    with such a scheme, Europeans would be vitally interested in having a responsible government in Kiev and the normal operation of the pipe;
    at the very outskirts there would be incentives to support the work of the pipe and less
    vat.
  38. fa2998
    fa2998 21 January 2016 13: 00
    +1
    Quote: Korney84
    Secondly, customers from Europe will still pay (the price of gas includes its transportation). So they do nasty things to their "friends" from the EU!

    There is such a word-COMPETITION. Gas is extracted not only by Russia, and the demands of Kiev ragged men are harmful to Russia. Today $ 4,5, tomorrow $ 50 or $ 100. Their imagination is rich, and their hands are raking.
    Such cases are determined in advance, in the process of concluding the contract. All changes are also accepted from two parties. The actions of one of the parties contrary to the contract are unacceptable, and can lead to termination of the contract. hi
  39. nemec55
    nemec55 21 January 2016 13: 02
    0
    Krasautsy, the sucker has a bad life, they will continue (ours) to spread the Americans eurlpa under all this riffraff, etc. they will roll them out like suckers. Or rather, how to remove them.
    By the way, where is the default condition ???? Who are these Leberasts holding us for ??? All ears pissed off and the result.?
  40. poma
    poma 21 January 2016 13: 20
    0
    Touched ohren .... l in konts.
  41. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 21 January 2016 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Goldmitro
    Maybe we should have handed him the torn suit of our ambassador to replace it with a new one! Or the same Ukraine - HOW MUCH was donated to this "independent", supposedly, to help the fraternal people, how many speeches were said about eternal friendship? And where is it all? What did we get in return? Mass races under the "mosque ... ku on gilyaku" and unprecedented arrogance on the part of ukrohunta! How many more will it reach us that "good" terpily DO NOT USE respect!

    and besides all your words, with which I agree to all 100500, I can add the following: while ours at 70 smiled sweetly in Egypt, the Jews shot down our planes WITHOUT declaring any claims, and what is most interesting, our cars were without used To, it's true to say, we had such a commander then, had rose-colored glasses and gave the order to raise the MIGs without a w / c. it was removed from there very quickly, and as soon as ours began to fly from the b / c all the attacks from Israel stopped, apparently they smelled what it smelled of ... and now, while ours, excuse me, will not put the "brotherly" country in a pose " ZY "will not be of any use. This is my opinion, I have been expressing it for a year now and to the point? except for the minuses, I didn’t pick up anything from the "all-fenders and uryakalok". here they are in solidarity, though the reasons are different, but the result is the same.
  42. 4ekist
    4ekist 21 January 2016 23: 38
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Demchishin replied: "You know that we have a meeting place in Stockholm."

    You’ll see you, my dear — you will meet in the Basmanny Court. With the prosecutor.

    Ukrainians deign to threaten? As the saying goes, a small bug, but a vanilla. I realize that you can’t have anything to do with these freaks.