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Popandopulo in Berlin

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For once there was free time. I decided to watch a documentary film by a certain V. Pravdyuk “World War II. Day after day". Although he came out in 2005, but I only had time now. On all 96 series. But my meticulousness and attention to detail turned this action into torture. After the 10 series, I already looked from the principle - you need to know everything that is said about us. Even if it is said by a journalist who glorifies the monarchy, and everyone who was against it calls it “mad cattle”, automatically transferring this hatred to all “sovetskys” and their descendants.

But, having reached the 82 series, I was already enraged. It begins with the show of V. Pravdyuk of the famous photo “The Soviet soldier takes a bicycle from a German woman”. Shows with gusto, with an increase in details.

Popandopulo in Berlin


After viewing this photo, any person can have only two reactions:

“What reptiles and marauders are these Soviet soldiers!”

- What a bastard indiscriminately smears the army of the victorious people, who liberated all of Europe from Hitler's plague!

What did V. Pravdyuk choose? I'd rather quote him.

“This photo is loved to be printed and shown in Western sources. A Soviet soldier on the streets of Berlin is pulling out an old bicycle from the hands of a German woman. We do not know how it ended there: did the soldier take possession of the captured bicycle, or did the German manage to defend him - both participants of this drama make me feel sorry for me ”.

That is, “yes, beloved veterans, I agree, you are marauders,” after which he tries to portray the hare discount to the side, saying, I'm not me, and not a bunch of mine, I showed the photo to take pity on the soldier. But the discount fails, too much hatred V. Pravdyuk.

"...Look at how our soldier who came to Berlin is dressed - he's a beggar, like many of our other soldiers and officers who came to Germany were beggars. And not this soldier should be a symbol of robbery and looting. The Nazis plundered in the eastern regions much more brazenly and efficiently. But something completely different is the behavior of Soviet generals in occupied Germany.". That is, marauders are all, but the lower ranks must be forgiven. Next, V. Pravdyuk cites the example of three generals and one general's wife, pribarahlivshihsya in occupied Germany, and makes the necessary conclusion: “...This is the difference between a Russian general and a Soviet general. And not only that.».

The idea that V. Pravdyuk is trying to convey to the viewer is as clear as day: The Red Army is an army of poor marauders, criminal in essence. How can you pour crocodile tears about the “faithful and sold people”, about the great, but forgotten “regime” veterans, to whom he dedicated this film - and immediately smear them with mud, “by chance” from all the photographs depicting non-festively dressed Soviet soldiers, choosing exactly THIS. The only photo from the whole huge, many thousands of military photos, there are no other such photos. Yeah, I believe he accidentally stumbled ...
This photo itself does not require signatures. The plot is such that all the informative trough of the picture is poured by author's shit to the brim and reaches the viewer without spilling a drop. For those who have little knowledge of military uniform, a clarification is made: “Russian soldier”. And that's all.

I wanted to show that the damned power spat on the people, on the army? Yes please! Here is a photo, what is bad? Put - and spill, what poor soldiers, who in a leather jacket, who in a padded jacket, who in general in x / b - golimaya poverty! The button on the quilted jacket is from the overcoat, the neighbor does not have an asterisk, yy, bloody Stalin! And against the background of the Reichstag - in general a bum with a gun.



Well, you do not believe our photos, take the "truly democratic." There, too, it is clear that our soldier's pants are a bit wrong, and they are clearly not very good in color with a tunic ...

But for some reason V. Pravdyuk does not do this. Maybe because even in this form, our army causes sadness in some, and admiration and respect in others? And everything is clear to everyone - the problems with the form are caused by the fact that in recent years the fighters and commanders burned out the plague in Nazi Europe, and did not prepare for a meeting with German women, stuffing cigarettes and stockings into their pockets ...

This photo hurt me very much. And what is happening on it, and what the individual bastards use to try to convince others. In general, I decided to deal with this photo from the point of view of a simple Soviet soldier. It is clear that it is necessary to begin from the original source. Climbed into the "Internet" and began to wonder. It turns out that no one was seriously engaged in this photo. All the little things. For all the years? Maybe I'm blind?

The search revealed to me that the source was found by a certain Dmitry Lyskov, who got to the bottom of the original photo and the author's inscription under it. The article is called "On the Question of One historical falsifications, or About the picture "Soviet soldier takes a bicycle." He painted his searches in detail. I will quote only the original signature: "Russian soldier trying to buy a bicycle from a woman in Berlin, 1945. The misunderstanding happened after a Russian soldier tried to buy a bicycle from a German woman in Berlin. Giving her money for the bike, he believes that the transaction took place. However, the woman thinks otherwise».

It is clear that such a signature is like a “leap to the side” of V. Pravdyuk. Imitation of non-participation in throwing natural fertilizers on the propeller of the story. In addition to this, I got acquainted on several sites that the cap of the “bicycle occupant” looks like a Yugoslav one; in the background an officer of sworn friends hatched. Moreover, what is the difference between an overcoat and a raincoat, and is it it? Everything! The main thing is the fact of this photo, and its interpretation remains unchanged.. That is what did not suit me.
Gaining arrogance, I decided to put a final, fat point on this photo.

The first option: recognize the fact of looting and begin to poke around in details.

A lot of variants of this image are online, most of which are cropped (I think, not without intent), so for the analysis of the composition I propose the original, found by Dmitry Lyskov, God bless him and his mistress. Here it is.



I counted on it 20 people. I designate:

- foreground (main roles): 1 - soldier, 2 - frau;

- the second and third plan of Valya in a heap (those who immediately catches the eye) and mark from left to right (and call): 3 - retiree, 4 - smoker, 5 - reveler in a hat, 6 - reveler without a hat, 7 - Shapoklyak, 8 - neighbor, 9 - bald, 10 - whistler, 11 - rattle, 12 - leader, 13 - Hitler youth;

- I assign the fourth plan: 14 - an ally (behind the “soldier”, strokes around the foot in the shoe), 15 - heel (only the crown of the head without a hat is visible and the heel on the heel is dotted); 16 is an observer (in a scarf, peeping from behind a frau), 17 is a shy man (hiding behind everyone, also pulled his hat at the time of the photo, and fixed - a hand with a hat and eyes from under it), 18 - a prude (hid behind the rattle, her face was covered with an incomprehensible rag, but her legs betrayed - a dash-dotted line), obviously passing 19, 20 - hard workers.



Ignoring others, the “soldier” takes the bike away from Frau. So that the viewer does not confuse who takes away from whom, two bags are hung on the steering wheel at once - right and left. "Soldier" pulls, Frau does not let go, the crowd in disarray. A passing photographer tears the lens cap off, a click - and the photo fills up the archive of the American company Corbis.

Let's start the analysis in the reverse order. Confused crowd. But ... from the entire crowd, 9 from 18 is looking at the conflict. Actually, they look five (3, 8, 11, 12 and 16), the party (5) and the ally (14) are on the same line with the soldier and the photographer, so that they could look at both one and the other; and the modest and shy (17 and 18) hid their faces, and it is not clear where they look and see if at all. Well, let all doubts be interpreted in favor of the accused. So suppose 9. They stare at the photographer - three (4, 7 and 9). Someone else is to the right of the photographer, and this “someone” is so interesting to the witnesses of the crime that at least two (10 and 13) consider him more important than the marauder. Or maybe already tired? If the whistler (10) just looks, then the "Hitler Youth" frankly spat on everyone and poses himself. Perhaps that is why on most of the pictures in the internet it is cropped ... And three of them (15, 19 and 20) fall out of the big picture, and the passing hard worker (19) generally openly laughs at what is happening.

Judging by the poses of the observers, the conflict lasts a long time, all (except for those who are working hard workers) have stable poses that look more like a line at a stop. The only reveler (6) is in motion in small steps, although it is more like the classic "step forward and two back." That is, everyone has already figured out the essence of the nightmare that is happening, someone had to gesticulate indignantly, someone to start for the patrol, and on the faces should be ... anything, except for the observed universal pofigizma! Moreover, 9 is good-naturedly bored, 10 is also close to that, and stray (11) looks at a marauder with a strange expression, more reminiscent of interest.

Well, the facial expressions of the main participants. Angry, indignant, scared? I beg you, take a look at them through pince-nez ... Emotions - like my oiled hamster! It seems that not a Russian soldier robs a German woman in Berlin, but an Estonian - Finns in Helsinki ...

Judging by the shadows, it is overcast in Berlin, but for some reason an Allied American is wearing dark glasses. Habit? And what is he doing there at all? Why American - you can compare, the same jacket without shoulder straps, boots, field cap, only the emblem on it is different.



I think if our officer saw John or Bill straighten the wheel for a German, he would either have shocked him or whistled their MR (military police), or something, but he wouldn’t stand in his pockets as a witness. Controls? Or ... protects from real Russian?

Why did I doubt that this “soldier” is Russian? Yes, because the soldier himself.

1. Why is the fighter alone wandering around Berlin? In the Red Army, the first orders at a new location - on the organization of accommodation and security, internal, guard and garrison services. The first thing that brains any fighter with is the territory of the unit (field camp or quartering area), the territory of the garrison, their borders, the order of movement in the garrison and beyond, the order of exit and the daily routine. The main word is a ban. The prohibition of self-going beyond the limits, the prohibition of solitary movement, solitary bathing, communication with the local population. Not Samara or Konotop around, but the capital of an enemy state taken by the same fighter "on a bayonet". Do you seriously think that walking alone in such a city is safe? And what the fighter does not know?

2. Where weapon this soldier ?! I repeat the question in detail - where are the weapons of a fighter who is in the occupied city as part of the occupying forces?

3. He mad - openly rob the population? I quote:

«Order of the garrison commander and the military commandant of Berlin on the regulation of the political and socio-economic life of the city № 1 Berlin 30 April 1945

... 11. The units of the Red Army and individual servicemen arriving in Berlin are obliged to quarter only in the places indicated by military commanders of districts and areas. Red Army soldiers are prohibited from carrying out without permission, without the permission of military commanders, the eviction and resettlement of residents, the seizure of property, valuables and searches of residents of the city
».

In the open access a lot of documents, starting with reports of commanders of all degrees to reports of prosecutors of the front in each individual case. Specifically: violence, robbery, looting (in the report of the military prosecutor of the 1 of the Byelorussian Front - “the flea market”). Concrete cases are cited, the result is sad everywhere: “... arrested, the case is completed by the investigation and transferred to a military tribunal for hearing”.

For interest: at the finish line of the 1st Belorussky included 13 combined arms, three tank and two air armies - according to various sources, from 900 thousand to 1 million people (this is without the 2 armies of the Polish Army included in it). And the front prosecutor gives out a surname (!) List of criminals, which indicates both the number of crimes and the quality of the fight against them. But the suicide continues to act "encore", despite the "gathered" crowd and the presence of allies who should have passed it like glass containers?

4. Dress. Oh ... Starting from the top. Some of this kapelyuh called the cap. I agree, but not in our army. I singled it out, and stuck ours next, in the same perspective. It is immediately obvious that the form of the cap (without a characteristic forward bevel) and the length-height ratio do not even coincide with the new ones, i.e. high, the top of the girl zenitchits.

- What do you have with your head?
- Money!
- Semyon Semyonych ...



T-shirt and trousers. Yes, there used to be two sizes in the army, big and small. Yes, we, too, didn’t take everyday cotton-skinned, patching after every fizo, tactics or shooting range. But so to the end of the war? Or does someone want to tell me that this is a recruit, only from the train with the replenishment? And immediately, to Berlin, they say, he ordered two German bicycles to the military commissar for not sending them to the fleet ...

Boots Popandopulo immediately made me think. My first calluses in the soldiers' boots, I earned - did not guess! - on the front of the calf, just below the knee. He rubbed his top. The fact is that Soviet boots, like the cap, have their own characteristics. In the photo in the lower right corner - standard soldier's boots, and from different factories. Right - 40-th size, left - 44-th. But the tops - almost the same level. This is the good tradition of the Russian soldier's boot. For example - photos of the Russian, Soviet and Russian army. "Our" soldier is unlikely to repeat my feat. I deliberately pushed the object of his passion towards him in order to compare the size. Very close, even with perspective. Whoever doubts, can compare the size of the hands (I believe they did not dress a German man ...), in general, “our” is far from Hercules, and the size of his shoes is clearly not 44 — 45. But if you apply the standard Russian ratio “sole-leg”, then the size of the boots of the “soldier” should be somewhere under 47 ... No matter what you say, the leg is clearly short for a Soviet boot.



Anyone who loves more accurate numbers, I can tell you a way to measure the entire photo. The size of a bicycle wheel, like that of the old Soviet “Ural” or “Ukraine,” someone even expressed a seditious thought that their patterns were taken from German ones. And this is 28 inches - 71,12 cm (diameter of wheel rim 62,2 cm). Just do not forget the perspective.

And one more little thing. Both are on a flat asphalt. Slippers Germans fit snugly to the asphalt, and the soldier has an incomprehensible gap. I saw this only on mountain boots and German boots. The reason - spikes (nails). That is why the Germans, even on a flat iron floor, have a gap under the soles, while the Soviet regulator has no gap, despite the fact that her legs are almost at the level of your eyes. Who is not enough - in the internet mass photos of the Second World.

I admit the presence of captured boots - but not three months after the end of the war. Well, okay, trifle means trifle. I simply noted to myself that, of the whole form of the marauder, to “our” can only be attributed so far as a tunic and trousers ...



And then I collect all the former soldiers to watch the Discovery Channel “Skatka. What it is made of. ” Read opinions that the overcoat is wiped so that ... Throw! If she didn’t crawl onto the suhpay for the moth, whatever it may be, the felt tube of centimeters 15-20 in diameter will come out anyway. The more "wiped", the more this "pipe" will take in the shape of an oval in cross section. But she will never hang with a crumpled rag! Having seen the photo for the first time, I decided that the Germans had stolen the curtain from the Germans ...
For those who didn’t manage to defend their homeland, I’m recommending the Instructions for Laying, Fitting, Assembling and Putting on Camping Equipment for an Infantry Soldier of the Red Army, 1941, to understand the essence of the roll. Trust me, nothing has changed in 70 for years.



He hanged himself there, one Almighty knows. The funny thing is that this “warrior” put a roll over his right shoulder. And “this is how the commander determined” will not work here: firstly, not according to the regulations, secondly, the commander understood the clerk that, with such a distortion, he would have to carry personal weapons in his hands, the belt on his shoulder does not hold. And thirdly, and this is important, the fighter may have to shoot at any moment. But to mastyrit butt to the skate when shooting is recommended only saving on the dentist, the problem of the teeth will be solved with the first shot. And with this placement of the roll, the butt can no longer be stuck, except under the arm ... But Allah was not an adviser to the crest, so our Popandopulo fastened something incomprehensible, and even through the right shoulder.

I will disappoint those who think that they are wearing a tent. For its dimensions (180 x 180 cm), what hangs in the photo is a bit big. And the main question is disturbing: why the hell did he go with her? In addition to the cloak-tent, the mass of gadgets is included in the soldier’s equipment: a belt-carrying bag; spare bag; bag for shops or cartridge belt breastplate, etc., etc. There is a complete (1) and lightweight (2) camping equipment (with a lightweight soldier simply does not wear a duffel bag). In this case, the fighter must have with him a coat or cloth in the over-shoulder roll-up tent, which worn last but not least. How the cape-up roll actually looks like, shows the reconstructor from the site “Boundary”.



What we learn from what has been said? And the fact that our dunce before leaving the light took everything off! The first to remove the cape, then the duffel bag ... Belts, pouches, gas mask, shovel - down! Weapon threw !!! One strap on the belly left. Even a modern fighter in the summer from the barracks in his own garrison without a flask does not come out, if you have forgotten - the day-to-day will not let out: the devil knows where you will be in an hour and that there is water. And here in the broken city, where the water supply system is absent as a phenomenon, and where there is, it is mixed with sewage; It is not known that the local in the water sypanut. "Our" and the flask did not take. But neatly pulled on top of the cloak. Suddenly a rain ?!

Moving smoothly to the second optionI can assume only one situation when it is needed. When creating a staged photo. To portray the Russian soldier is not a problem; the problem is if real Russians see it. And Berlin, by the way, they took. And modest in front of the allies, they are only at official receptions. And if they think of a setup (or one of the local people whispers) ... You can shoot everything that means a combatant from an artist, but then who needs such a “marauder” - think, a released prisoner or a hard worker in rags, who cares!

The way out is simple - to dress the artist in as close as possible to the real form, only without insignia and emblems of belonging, to turn the tower so that the absence of an asterisk doesn’t catch the eye, and to cover the missing epaulets from the photographer with a raincoat tent or lapserdak white If anything, he pulled the cap off, the raincoat incomprehensible put it on himself. But the Slavs will be tied up — well, yes, your b / c was presented, and the cap from Broz Tito, the men from the murdered Nazi in general, and we ourselves are not local, but not the mange of the system ...

Now consider the second option - staged photo. Before that, we considered all the issues, except the place of the snapshot. The reason for this is the place itself. As soon as you find it, you immediately understand - the photo is staged.

So, we are forgers. All questions were settled, the plot is there, the composition was obsmakovili, the heroes were dressed up, the crowd was herded. It remains to choose a place. And this, that no one has any doubts - this is really Berlin, not Honolulu. So that all this place would be known, and if there is a discrepancy, so that it would be a great escape.

The ideal fake photo: a well-known place-time, clearly recognizable character and an unambiguous interpretation of his actions.

In Berlin, there are not so many places that are decorated with columns in several rows. I began to search with all the famous Brandenburg Gate, the benefit of the columns there are a lot. I will not paint what it looked like, but I found the place. And stunned. The picture was taken at the Brandenburg Gate, the “Russian soldier” did not waste time on trifles. At first, I wanted, probably, to “take away” from the Reichstag - but there is more and more on motorcycles, he does not follow the order ...

The fact is that the gate itself stands at the intersection of Unter den Linden and Hermann-Göring-Straße. Namely, on the street to them. Hermann Goering (now Ebertstraße) and passed the border of the occupation zones. Brandenburg Gate and all that east - Soviet; west of the Brandenburg Gate (Tiergarten) - the British zone of occupation (schemes in the "internet" sea).

Admire the location. On the left photo we look at the Soviet zone from the British, further beyond the gate is the famous Unter den Linden. On the right photo - on the contrary: right outside the gate begins the British occupation zone, the Tiergarten area, more precisely, the famous Tiergarten Park of the same name.



For clarity, I marked on the photo the place of photographing and the intended placement of the entire group on the ground, including the photographer, highlighting it in red for clarity and increasing its growth in comparison with the others present in the photographs. And immediately another question arises: what are they all doing there, on the border of two zones of occupation?

What the hell are they standing there for? Where did they come from, before the fighter approached them and began to take away the bike? Or did they get involved in a conflict? Then why is half of them not paying attention to him? I would understand if there was a stop, but, first, it is not there, I checked it according to the schemes of those years (the Germans are pedantic people), the bus stop number 6 on 50 meters north, near the turn at Dorotheen Straße, other stops north There is no Brandenburg Gate, following as far as the Reichstag. Secondly, from the 564, the surviving 368 buses could not move at all, and the 153 were under repair. Therefore, the bus service in Berlin was so frequent that the stops looked like this:



Thirdly, what does a German woman with a bicycle do at the bus stop? How are our “private traders” waiting for the bus to leave for a fee to take those who did not fit in?

Let's take a closer look. Tiergarten Park is right up to the gate - at that time the largest black market (nothing can be trusted to these Britons, they will banish everything). On the left - this is how it looks today (1 is the place of the photo, 2 is the bus stop at the time), on the right is the photo from this market.



The most interesting thing is that in the American (!) Life magazine they wrote:

«The soldiers of the Red Army, who have paid their debts for several years, need cameras, clothing, and especially watches. Americans, British and French - in their pockets are different suitable for sale things, they only need money. Russians in need of consumer goods are passionately craving, gullible and rich, and therefore the best buyers. The authorities were forced to begin the prosecution of Allied armies convicted of selling army property, but before that the Americans had made huge money". To whom is war, to whom is my mother native

So, at the end of the war, Russian soldiers were given a lot of money, on the black market one could buy anything you want, even a jeep (Life writes!), And leaned against the wall for looting. Well, guard, we go to the Germans to "tear the bikes"?

By the way, again, the right picture: what did I write above about solitary and unarmed walking? The group of our girls, who spend their money allowances, do not observe weapons (which does not mean that they are not there, they stand in a heap), but one of our officers stepped in so that the holster got out from under the tunic (3). For the Americans I will keep silent, and so everything is clear.

To confirm the correctness of the location I give two more photos with the designated place of Russification of the Nazi bicycle. On the left - the view from our side (inspection of the gate), on the other - from the British (Montgomery presents British awards to our marshals). In both pictures you can see the stairs among the columns, which is in the staged photo in the upper right corner. Well, a bunch of other details for attentive. For reference, the horses on the roof "go" to the east, to the Soviet sector.



After clearing the streets, through traffic was opened through the gate, two rows on the left and two on the right, an adjusting post and signs “Speed ​​limit 5 km / h” were installed in the central row. In the future there was equipped with a checkpoint.

Taking pictures next to the post at the famous gate is not prohibited, for sure the traffic controllers are all fed up and photographers are already fed up, and the photo session is taking place somewhere aside. But rob at the post, expecting someone to scream now ...

And for a snack. Bicycle something for men, with a high frame! Pay attention to the bag on the steering wheel, the one on the right - it lies on the frame. Have you seen our "Urals"? Dimensions remember? I found a bike like a German. One to one, even a clever handbrake, only the German has no dynamo on the fork, although the headlight is present. I wonder how frau applied it? I doubt that she lifted her skirt like our schoolgirls, and she hardly knows how to ride “under the frame” like our boys. Used it to carry bags on the steering wheel, so as not to carry in your hands?



Let's sum up.

The first version: robbery in broad daylight.

Main questions:

- who are all these people (spectators), where they came from and what they are doing there;
- why others have such an unusual reaction: from complete disregard to smiles and laughter;
- why the picture shows an American soldier, but does nothing;
- why is the soldier alone and unarmed;
- why the soldier is not dressed in size, with a clear violation of the form of clothing and the use of elements of an alien form;
- why the soldier looting openly, in the center of the city, near the post, and even on the border with another occupation sector, i.e. in a place that has initially received increased attention;
- why the soldier does not react to those around him (an American, a photographer), although according to all the rules of the genre he, having “slept”, had to throw this “frau” and give a tear; but he continues to pull the wheel, and he does it so long that he has time to take a picture, the quality of the photo is almost studio. The old camera, on which only the cocking and rewinding of the frame took a few seconds. And given the choice of shutter speed and aperture ...

My version: staged photo.

All answers to the questions are above.

To discredit the former allies, it was decided to make a “photofact” confirming the crimes of the Red Army in the occupied territory. For those who firmly believe in our allies, I remind you about the Nazi divisions they are forming, attempts to sign Germany’s surrender in the absence of the Soviet command and Operation Unthinkable.

The place of the photo was chosen, the Brandenburg Gate, so that the scene of the incident (Berlin) is not in doubt. The shooting is carried out on the border of two zones of occupation, near Tiergarten Park, which, if the situation develops unfavorable, will quickly move to the British zone of occupation and get lost in the park among visitors of the largest black market.

An extras designed to depict the indignant civilian population of Berlin, apparently, gathered in the same place, in Tiergarten Park; perhaps, from there, and "frau", and her bike. The actor depicting a Russian soldier was dressed in elements of various military uniforms, trying to get as close as possible to the image, while avoiding conflict with the Soviet military, without using authentic elements of uniforms, epaulets, emblems and insignia. With the same purpose refused to use weapons.

When creating the composition, the actor was deployed so as to hide from the camera the absence of a badge, awards, breastplates and stripes; the absence of epaulets hid an imitation of a roll, which they had to wear in violation of the charter (which they, quite probably, were not aware of).

At least one US Army soldier was present during the shooting. The goal: from the control of the photographer to ensuring his safety (perhaps he was not alone - the “whistler” and the “Hitler Youth” were stubbornly staring somewhere). As always, the Americans in case of failure under the tanks will throw the British: your zone, you and moss. To work out the "legend" of finding so many people in one place did not have time or simply did not bother, which complicated the creation of a plausible composition on 100%.

People from the extras hired out of special talents (or desires) did not have (or did not pay much), so the shooting was treated carelessly. Only five people are defined as “witnesses to the conflict”, the rest are completely indifferent, or behave completely inadequately applied to this situation.

The lack of time and the likelihood of conflict with representatives of the Soviet contingent forced the photographer to quickly shoot the material without correcting errors both in the design of the “hero” and in the behavior of the crowd. After that, everyone quickly and amicably fled.



But there are still people who believe in this fake. And those who use it themselves for throwing mud at veterans, in the love and respect for which he had just sworn.

Pravdyuk pissed me off. Strong.

Until Victory Day three and a half months. I wonder how many more jackals will come out with this photo?
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  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 January 2016 07: 03 New
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    how many more jackals will come out with this photo?

    For Victory Day, they will come out not only with photographs, but also with new "revelations" and simply accusations. For two years in a row, Gozman has been doing this, to whom the Jewish community is simply obliged to fight back for his attitude towards the Second World War and veterans.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 January 2016 09: 56 New
      -21 qualifying.
      And here, the approaching Victory Day? The author himself admits that this cycle was filmed in 2005. What surprises me is such a detailed analysis of just a minute piece of a series of 45 minutes. There are 96 episodes in total. I also watched them, by the way. It’s quite interesting for myself and I didn’t see any crime. There were separate marauders in all armies, but in the Soviet they fought at the highest level - this Pravdyuk recognizes and describes quite normally. He does not like Zhukov, but admires Rokossovsky (he recognized him as the best commander of the war, Konev, Vasilevsikim and many others. Personally, I would recommend him to watch. There are certainly controversial points, but people have different points of view, including historians. And so many photographs and filming, quite a detailed analysis of each month of the war.
      In general, following the author's logic, it is imperative to "expose" the well-known story-anecdote with Stalin, attributing the authorship to foreign spies -
      After the war, one Colonel General reported to Stalin the state of affairs.
      The Generalissimo seemed very pleased and even nodded his approval several times.
      Having finished the report, the Colonel General asked:
      - Comrade Stalin, in Germany I selected some things for myself, but at the checkpoint they
      detained. If possible, I would ask that they be returned to me.
      - It's possible. Write a report, and I will impose a resolution.
      Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin immediately imposed
      resolution. Colonel General warmly thanked Stalin and read the resolution:
      “Return to the colonel his junk. I. Stalin. "
      - Here's a typo, Comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general.
      - No. This is all right, Comrade Colonel.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 23 January 2016 11: 57 New
        +9
        Have you actually read the full article? If not, I will quote
        Until Victory Day three and a half months. I wonder how many more jackals will come out with this photo?

        Now about your "deep" conclusion
        Pravdyuk recognizes and describes quite normally

        Obviously, you are the same "Pravdyuk" from whom you cannot get the truth.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 January 2016 15: 03 New
          -6
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Have you actually read the full article? If not, I will quote

          And what does Pravdyuk have to do with it, who removed his cycle already in 2005 ?! He brought this photo here, the author is a whistleblower. So, following your logic, it turns out and is from those whom you call jackals wassat
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Obviously, you are the same "Pravdyuk" from whom you cannot get the truth.
          Obviously, you did not watch this series of Pravdyuk, not a single series. Like the bulk of the minus people) As they say, I have not read, but I condemn.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 25 January 2016 03: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Have you actually read the full article? If not, I will quote

            straightens a German wheel

            so really on bicycles straighten the wheel
    2. Andrey Petrov47
      Andrey Petrov47 24 January 2016 03: 01 New
      +2
      Americans - what then, what now - enemies of Russia.
      Vile enemies.
      1. Kuts
        Kuts 26 January 2016 22: 40 New
        +1
        Sometimes I revise this serial film. I have never paid attention to this photo as a production one. But it is difficult to disagree with the arguments and conclusions of the author of the article. Yes, Pravdyuk didn’t do well when commenting on a photograph. He summed up the co-authors and belittled the value of the film as a documentary (almost non-biased) work on history. The next time I look at it with less interest and increased distrust.
  3. gla172
    gla172 23 January 2016 07: 09 New
    24
    The author is well done +.

    And such propaganda is a dime a dozen ....... the Russians are to blame that the frost was severe and the German soldiers were freezing .... then there was slag and the rinks clogged with the tigers and they didn’t fight like brave soldiers .... ento then on BBS ,, and people believe .....
  4. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 January 2016 07: 11 New
    -10 qualifying.
    Cool good
    Only somewhere I have already seen this ... what Oh yes ... - bringing Americans into the clear water with their imaginary flights to the moon lol !
    1. aba
      aba 23 January 2016 13: 47 New
      15
      Let us leave the moon aside and move on to more prosaic occasions in life.
      August 1978 Just a couple of months before the demobilization, I went on vacation to my hometown of Tselinograd and was very surprised that the city was chewing chewing gum without exception. Where did she come from, for what merits did the city fill up with a Riga confectionery factory product?
      And the essence is as follows. In the summer of 1978, the USA Agriculture exhibition was held in the cities of Kiev, Moscow and Tselinograd. The latter was awarded this honor for the fact that the branch of VNIIZern was located here. The exhibition was free, come in who likes! So the Americans indulged in the fact that one came out with a huge package in his hands, while others with cameras and movie cameras took advantageous positions and waited. And the subject with the package began to take out the gum from the package in small handfuls and throw it on the dusty ground, the kids rushed to the ground for an American unprecedented freebie. Cameramen started filming. So, two days later, they drove a carriage with chewing gum from Riga and sold it in every grocery hole (and note that a passenger train from Moscow to Tselinograd takes almost three days).
      These are our partners!
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 23 January 2016 15: 31 New
        +5
        Yes, and in Moscow, the same thing happened at the American stands, only I saw how plastic bags were thrown. 1978 exhibition "Agricultural machinery-78". I remember hitting the tractor twice as much K700.
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 17: 21 New
        -13 qualifying.
        What prevented proud Soviet people with contempt from rejecting Pind-Osov handouts? And where did the KGB look?
      3. veteran66
        veteran66 25 January 2016 19: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: aba
        one came out with a huge package in his hands and the other with cameras and movie cameras took advantageous positions and waited

        In Donetsk at the exhibition "Coal 75" there was the same garbage, we, I remember, the teachers at school were forbidden to go to this exhibition without parents.
  5. Ural resident
    Ural resident 23 January 2016 07: 22 New
    25
    Thank. Such a detailed analysis of the picture.
  6. X Y Z
    X Y Z 23 January 2016 08: 12 New
    13
    Americans, British and French - in their pockets there are different things suitable for sale, they only need money.


    Very doubtful statement! Brought by the Poles to white heat, due to their constant mention of watches, bicycles and lemons, I dug up an article with photographs that mentioned British soldiers hung with watches taken from German prisoners of war. At the same time, the Germans were very indignant that they did not expect such barbaric behavior from representatives of such a respected and civilized nation.
  7. domokl
    domokl 23 January 2016 08: 13 New
    34
    Yes ... Really this author really pissed off ... But what a cool job to restore justice! Bravo!
    However, how difficult it is to prove such fakes. The picture is minutes, staged-hours. And to prove and show how the author did it for months, probably. Well done and thanks!
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 23 January 2016 08: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      Yeah .. Really pissed off this author ...

      Incorrect surname of this Pravdyuk. He needs to bear the name Falsificator.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 23 January 2016 08: 51 New
        +4
        Above, this "pravdyuk" was characterized, but the comment was deleted.
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 23 January 2016 11: 49 New
        +4
        It will be more correct P-and-z - k! Short and clear ...
      3. Alex
        Alex 23 January 2016 11: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Voha_krim
        Incorrect surname of this Pravdyuk.
        I agree.

        He needs to bear the name Falsificator.
        Not really. The first five letters must be replaced by Gov.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 23 January 2016 10: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: domokl
      Yeah .. Really pissed off this author ...


      It is because of such "fart" that many people (especially among young people) have a mess in their heads. Viruses.
      (pictured by Viktor Pravdyuk).
      1. Avantageur
        Avantageur 23 January 2016 20: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: domokl
        Yeah .. Really pissed off this author ...


        It is because of such "fart" that many people (especially among young people) have a mess in their heads. Viruses.
        (pictured by Viktor Pravdyuk).

        Something on Wikipedia, nothing was said about his parents ... Solid, white spots. Most likely, there were enemies of the people, and here they are tearing a fart for relatives.
  8. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 23 January 2016 08: 18 New
    22
    Why did I doubt that this “soldier” is Russian? Yes, because the soldier himself.
    When I first saw this photo, and it was a long time ago, but not so long ago from serving in the GSVG, this cannot be. Thanks to the Author, He proved it for me. Russian Soldier, he will remain in "Africa" ​​too.
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 January 2016 08: 49 New
      11
      Then it's "Soviet". The film "Soldier's Father". In the frame of the Georgians.
      1. Alex
        Alex 23 January 2016 12: 00 New
        +7
        Quote: Riv
        Then the "Soviet". The film "Soldier's Father".

        Great movie, simple and soul-taking. It’s a pity, now they show little.
      2. s.melioxin
        s.melioxin 23 January 2016 20: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Riv
        Then it's "Soviet". The film "Soldier's Father". In the frame of the Georgians.
        Respected! Thank you for paying attention to the comment. But as an artist, an artist. It doesn’t matter who played, but played cool. IMPORTANT what look the soldier has. Do not! It will only be bad for you if you offend my homeland.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 23 January 2016 08: 25 New
    15
    I decided to watch a documentary of a certain V. Pravdyuk ... a 96-part series "World War II: Day by Day", which he filmed with his wife, director Galina Yasnogorodskaya and two sons, cameramen. Viktor Pravdyuk is critical of the Soviet period of history. He believes that the twentieth century was the century of the extermination of the Russian people. Bolshevism, according to Viktor Pravdyuk, is a plague that the Russian people still suffer from. Viktor Pravdyuk is not inclined to overestimate the role of Joseph Stalin in the history of the Russian people and his merits in the Great Patriotic War. So, in an interview with the Voice of America (09.05.2010/XNUMX/XNUMX) Viktor Pravdyuk said: "We would have won the war without Stalin." Which is at least a strange and ambiguous statement. Pravdyuk actively cooperates with the traitor of the Motherland and the falsifier of history Vladimir Rezun. The fruit of their joint work was the film "The Case of Joseph Stalin." In one of his interviews, Viktor Pravdyuk let slip that he was developing Rezun's "ideas". "I am close to the version of the publicist Vladimir Bogdanovich Rezun, Stalin himself was going to attack Hitler."
    1. igordok
      igordok 23 January 2016 10: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      I decided to watch a documentary film by a certain V. Pravdyuk ... a series of 96 parts "World War II: Day by Day",

      He tried the same, but did not master. It is not in my power to watch how the holy is transformed into.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 23: 55 New
        -9
        You should watch "From the Soviet Information Bureau". Everything is true there. There are millions of burned German tanks and planes. And full long live the Communist Party.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 23 January 2016 11: 52 New
      +5
      Well, well, we know this "rezun" -very "truthful" and most importantly "devoted", or rather a scoundrel who betrayed the Motherland. Only one link to the scoundrel speaks about who this Piz himself is - to, excuse, not Pravdyuk!
    3. mark7
      mark7 23 January 2016 23: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Pravdyuk actively collaborates with the traitor of the Motherland

      So, both, like, to put it mildly, you can’t deceive genetics) They prefer not to think about the fact that they owe everything to the Soviet government
  10. Sakmagon
    23 January 2016 08: 26 New
    +3
    I’ve fumbled something with the size of the picture, it doesn’t increase completely, or when I publish it like that ... Here, please be curious:
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 January 2016 11: 55 New
      +7
      When I first saw this picture, I thought that something was wrong with it. Thanks, chewed from and to. hi
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 23 January 2016 11: 56 New
      +5
      The picture will not enlarge further. There is simply not enough grain to view the details. But what the author presented was a picture with a professional lens with an appropriate distance and focus (the camera is clearly German, like the photographic materials for it). Is it a staged shot? Quite possible. Most likely, the motivation was different, but it all depends on the title of the scene. In one thing, I will no doubt agree with the author, that the soldier is purely "ponadopolo".
  11. vitya1945
    vitya1945 23 January 2016 08: 32 New
    -24 qualifying.
    The thought that V. Pravdyuk is trying to convey to the viewer is clear as daylight: the Red Army is an army of poor marauders, criminal in essence. How can I pour crocodile tears about the “betrayed and sold people”
    But I’m not at all clear.
    Nonsense is the author of the article.
    Did he conclude from 96 episodes from one picture with a bicycle?
    I agree that most likely this is a collage of Americans to denigrate the Red Army.
    But it is not necessary to draw such inadequate conclusions, I have repeatedly looked through all 96 episodes, I highly recommend it to those who have not seen it.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 23 January 2016 08: 41 New
      +4
      looked, the author is right full g ...
    2. Sakmagon
      23 January 2016 08: 57 New
      12
      Especially in anticipation of such comments, I do not handed words of Pravdyuk, and quoted, letter to letter. And I made a conclusion for a specific series and specific statements with the presentation of a fake, and not for the entire series (which, I hope, I will also get in detail). Either you did not look carefully, or Russian is not your native language ...
      1. vitya1945
        vitya1945 23 January 2016 18: 37 New
        0
        I speak 6 languages, but my native Russian, I live in Sevastopol, for the fake I do not argue the Americans are those combinators.
        But you are not a stupid person if you wrote an article, the conclusion will be pulled by the donkey ears, his father died, he has nothing offensive to the Red Army.
        And if you are planning to get in detail to the series, get ready faster I still have comrades, living witnesses of those events to which you will get.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 January 2016 20: 10 New
          +4
          And you are by chance not the same Victor Pravdyuk? what
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 23 January 2016 23: 02 New
          0
          And what are so many mistakes in your Russian language, and some are not just illiteracy - does a person speak weakly Russian-speaking?
          1. veteran66
            veteran66 25 January 2016 19: 35 New
            0
            Quote: housewife
            And what are so many mistakes in your Russian

            well, you also don’t shine in Russian ... there are so many mistakes in one sentence.
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        4. 2news
          2news 23 January 2016 23: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: vitya1945
          I speak 6 languages, but native Russian,
          Quote: vitya1945
          I do not argue for fake

          And why then on the Russian forum write on surzhik?
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 23: 57 New
            -3
            For example, you are unlikely to understand Italian.
            1. 2news
              2news 24 January 2016 00: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              For example, you are unlikely to understand Italian.

              1. What is Italian here?
              2. Just wrong.
          2. vitya1945
            vitya1945 24 January 2016 02: 35 New
            +1
            Surzhik in response to the previous phrase dear Sakmagon ,, and I concluded for a specific series ,,
    3. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 23 January 2016 10: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: vitya1945

      But it is not necessary to draw such inadequate conclusions, I have repeatedly looked through all 96 episodes, I highly recommend it to those who have not seen it.

      Vitya, take my word for it, you don’t know history at all if you recommend this nonsense.
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 23 January 2016 10: 55 New
        +1
        well, or you. Who will be the judge?
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 January 2016 17: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Egorchik
        Vitya, take my word for it, you don’t know history at all if you recommend this nonsense.

        Normally, don’t believe Pravdyuk, but believe no one Yegorchik wassat
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 23 January 2016 17: 42 New
        +1
        absolutely agree with you. the fact that a citizen does not understand which country V. Pravdyuk pours a very high-quality disguised dirt on our history - God is his judge, but to recommend watching this ... well, guano I personally lack conscience.
      4. vitya1945
        vitya1945 23 January 2016 18: 40 New
        0
        Not without it, but for the most part still not.
      5. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 23: 59 New
        +1
        Well why. The story is such a thing. Not necessarily she - the history of the CPSU.
        There are other outlooks on life.
        1. Zulu.S
          Zulu.S 24 January 2016 18: 01 New
          0
          But the "outlook on life" should not be passed off as historical facts. And I won't even talk about a barrel of honey and a fly in the ointment.
      6. veteran66
        veteran66 25 January 2016 19: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: Egorchik
        you don’t know the story at all if you recommend this nonsense

        this is not nonsense, but, just one of the views on history. In the history books of the USSR, too, not everything is true. You need to read (look) all the sources in order to learn how to think, and not to brainwash your brain with propaganda (this is me about any propaganda)
    4. vitya1945
      vitya1945 23 January 2016 18: 22 New
      +3
      Add more minuses, they express your essence, which of you looked at everything and turned on the brain?
      Yes, Pravdyuk is offended by the advice, But he says the right things, they destroy the Russians, but I’m not Russian, I’m Soviet, but when they ask me who I am in Istanbul and Bangkok and Piraeus, I answer, I don’t understand Russian if I say Soviet. I want to say to strategists.
      Historians are all advanced.
      Good luck to you.
  12. midshipman
    midshipman 23 January 2016 08: 44 New
    17
    The author conducted a thorough investigation and analysis of the fake. Thanks to him for that. This is an artist or photo montage.
    I had to be a lot, though after the Second World War, in Germany. The attitude of the Germans towards us was surprisingly beautiful. There are thousands of shots of how our soldiers and officers feed German children and women. Look what happened near the field kitchens or about the deployment of military units. And regarding the bike. What would happen to a Red Army soldier if he came to his platoon on a bicycle - an arrest. Our soldiers were not stupid, they couldn’t afford that. I have the honor.
    1. igordok
      igordok 23 January 2016 10: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: midshipman
      The attitude of the Germans towards us was surprisingly beautiful. There are thousands of shots of how our soldiers and officers feed German children and women.


    2. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 23 January 2016 10: 34 New
      -6
      Quote: midshipman
      The author conducted a thorough investigation and analysis of the fake. Thanks to him for that. This is an artist or photo montage.
      I had to be a lot, though after the Second World War, in Germany. The attitude of the Germans towards us was surprisingly beautiful. There are thousands of shots of how our soldiers and officers feed German children and women. Look what happened near the field kitchens or about the deployment of military units. And regarding the bike. What would happen to a Red Army soldier if he came to his platoon on a bicycle - an arrest. Our soldiers were not stupid, they couldn’t afford that. I have the honor.

      That you got excited. My father remembers very well how ours came back from Germany. And his insult that his father did not bring the accordion, but only a bicycle. The standard set for a soldier is a watch, accordion and bicycle. And my grandfather was also an officer.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 23 January 2016 12: 07 New
        20
        And why do you insist that what our soldiers brought was stolen? Then you do not know or do not want to know anything about the work of our "competent" bodies at that time, and especially in Germany and other liberated countries! After all, even this "priest" says that our soldiers immediately after the end of the war received a lot of money and that you do not admit that much of what they brought was simply bought from the Germans and from the allies ?! I had to communicate with one of the veterans who bought a watch for all the money, and in 1947 Mr. g ate everything, and his friend bought two boxes of sewing needles and machine needles in a shop, so he became very rich and did not need anything ...! By the way, after the Victory, ours were allowed to send home packages from among the trophies, but with very strict verification of their origin! And do not blacken the bright memory of veterans, because we live only thanks to them, and not everyone there P ..... kam!
        1. veteran66
          veteran66 25 January 2016 19: 43 New
          0
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          I had to talk with one of the veterans, who bought all the money for hours, and ate everything in 1947, and his friend bought two boxes of sewing needles and machine needles in the shop, he was very rich and did not need anything .. .!

          oh, someone is lying! I already heard this story, only there were gramophone needles ....
  13. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 23 January 2016 08: 51 New
    14
    Thanks to the author for a detailed analysis of the fake, only a pity for his time. In modern Western literature, when the Second World War was mentioned about Soviet Soldiers, there is usually not a word that the Americans, the Angles and the French won the war :-) these are ridiculous. All fakes are actively supported by liberalists of all surnames, including n --- duke. :-)
    1. Sakmagon
      23 January 2016 09: 02 New
      12
      Nothing, water sharpens a stone. Now, if you are silent, then they’ll just sit on your neck. By and large, I do not care what they think about it in lousy Europe, the main thing is that my children know the truth and no Pravdyuk could deceive them
      1. Alex
        Alex 23 January 2016 12: 09 New
        +8
        Quote: zoknyay82
        Thanks to the author for a detailed analysis of the fake, only a pity for his time. In modern Western literature, when the Second World War was mentioned about Soviet Soldiers, there is usually not a word that the Americans, the Angles and the French won the war :-)

        Quote: Sacmagon
        Nothing, water sharpens a stone. Now, if you are silent, then they’ll just sit on your neck.

        Yes figs with them, flawed. Here the problem becomes more serious: our children either are not interested in this war at all, or they sing from the Western voice, or form an idea about it by crafts such as "White Tiger", "Bastards" or "Burnt by the Sun". And you don't even know which is worse.

        Many thanks to the author for such a detailed analysis. The devil, as you know, is hiding in little things, so their analysis is so interesting.

        This "curtain" has long worn my eyes. After having been tormented in the camps for three hours, folding the rolls, I somehow greatly surprised me with my appearance.
    2. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 23 January 2016 10: 54 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: zoknyay82
      Thanks to the author for a detailed analysis of the fake, only a pity for his time. In modern Western literature, when the Second World War was mentioned about Soviet Soldiers, there is usually not a word that the Americans, the Angles and the French won the war :-) these are ridiculous. All fakes are actively supported by liberalists of all surnames, including n --- duke. :-)

      You probably read a lot of Western literature. Always been against a one-sided view of the war. England itself declared war on Germany after its aggression against Poland. Ours participated in its section. Patriots are very offended by Rezun - they say how he could write that the USSR was preparing to attack Germany. And what's wrong with that? Or did the Hitler regime become terrible only after the attack on the USSR? Before that, Jews and gypsies were not destroyed? And from this point of view, England and France acted altruistically - they did not attack them, moreover, Hitler was shocked that they decided to declare war. And later it was them who were accused of unleashing WWII. And by the way, how does this fit with the assertion that the West wanted to incite Hitler against the USSR? In order for him to go to the East he was declared war in the West? Whatever it was, but the fighting was on, there was the Battle of England, there were bombings of Berlin, etc. Or the rulers of England and Francia knew little about geography and thought that it was possible to attack the USSR bypassing Poland. And as for the picture, I think that the truth is in the original name. All this happens either near the black market. Our fighter apparently really buys a bicycle, but there was a misunderstanding - either there was little money, or he simply did not understand German. Therefore, our soldier is not afraid - he thinks he is right - he bought honestly, but this aunt does not give. And the analysis of the photo is largely far-fetched and largely subjective. Like analyzing NASA images, they also write a lot of revelations, but when professional photographers and astronomers get down to business, it turns out that exposing an egg is not worth it.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 23 January 2016 14: 35 New
        +6
        Dear DoctorOleg, I would like to remind you that you are not judged for thoughts and intentions, they are judged for actions. Saying that the USSR was preparing to attack Germany can only be a person who does not know what was happening at that time, or a provocateur. With regards to England and France, they had agreements with Poland, in addition, there was the Treaty of Versailles, according to which England and France were guarantors of peace in Europe. Under these treaties, they were to immediately enter the war with the aggressor, but they only declared it. Hitler was not shocked, remember the Munich agreement. What was shocking after him? So learn history by facts, not by reason, and then express a competent opinion.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 24 January 2016 00: 03 New
          -1
          Then Igor explain how the Germans appeared near Moscow
          There is no excuse for this.
          1. 2news
            2news 24 January 2016 00: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            explain how the Germans appeared near Moscow

            This is just not at all surprising. Surprisingly different, how they managed to fail Barbarossa in the fall of 1941. not get on the line AA (Astrakhan-Arkhangelsk along the Volga and Sev. Dvina). The commanders, of course, are from the Germans, as from a bully **. And, somehow, historically. I mean, always.
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            There is no excuse for this.

            There were just enough excuses. From "surprise attack" to "we were betrayed."
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 24 January 2016 22: 07 New
              +2
              There can be no definite answer to the global process, in which hundreds of millions of people, a large number of countries and huge material resources are involved. They are written and will still write a bunch of desserts on this subject, and still they may not take everything into account. For example, one of the answers is the lack of trust among senior management in radio communications, and as a result, its insufficient development. The directive of the General Staff and the State Defense Committee of 21.06.41, received in Moscow by all the commanders of special military districts, was transmitted by radio (urgency signal) only to the commander of the special Odessa Military District and the admiral Kuznetsov mentioned here. As a result, they were least affected by the first strike.
              The problem of the start of the war has still not really been resolved. To declare peacetime mobilization is to weaken the economy, but the aggressor’s army is already mobilized and trained. My grandfather, along with his brother, was called up for training on 18.05.41/XNUMX/XNUMX and sent to Belarus, (he became a mortar gunner, was wounded four times, went through the whole war), then measures were taken to mobilize.
            2. veteran66
              veteran66 25 January 2016 19: 50 New
              0
              Quote: 2news
              explain how the Germans appeared near Moscow
              This is just not at all surprising.

              cool!! So there was a retreat to Moscow in the plans of the Red Army? I didn’t know ... but what about "a mighty blow on the enemy's land ..", "We don’t need an inch of foreign land, but we won’t give up our own inch!" No wonder, damn him .., but you would have asked the citizens of the USSR if they were surprised or not, when on the third day Minsk was handed over, and a month later Ukraine! "Not surprising..."
              1. 2news
                2news 25 January 2016 20: 12 New
                -2
                Quote: veteran66
                So in the plans of the Red Army was a retreat to Moscow?

                The plans of the Red Army could be at least a flight to Mars. In the summer of 1941. little depended on her.
                Quote: veteran66
                but what about "a mighty blow on the enemy's land ..", "we don’t need an inch of foreign land, but we won’t give up our own inch!"

                Agitation does not fight. There are other things to war.
                Quote: veteran66
                Yes, you would then asked the citizens of the USSR surprisingly to them or not

                Who else? By you? Or a forest hemp? There is still no difference. The qualifications of "experts" are approximately the same.
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        2. Doctorleg
          Doctorleg 24 January 2016 16: 32 New
          0
          I would also advise you to learn history, not slogans. Just after Munich, Hitler was surprised that he had been declared war, and not let down, as in Munich. He calmed down. And I did not understand what I was provoking. It is a pity that we, unlike England and France, were not preparing to attack Germany, to destroy the inhuman regime. That is exactly what I wanted to say. Imagine that Hitler did not attack us, but defeated England. And so we live so peacefully with what they later called brown plague? We develop trade, supply gas for crematoria? (I know, I know that in those days gas was not supplied, this is an exaggeration). And finally, knowing that they had an agreement with Poland and they should declare war, how could they push Hitler to the USSR?
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 24 January 2016 17: 45 New
            +1
            Dear DoctorOleg, the provocateur is certainly not you, but those writers who imagined themselves to be historians. The meeting in Munich just gave Hitler the confidence that no one would touch him, because he was going to the east (to Poland), and when he went to the west, he already had all the agreements. An. and Fr. although they declared war, they did nothing, despite the fact that about 100 of their divisions stood on the western borders of Germany. In 1939, since the beginning of the year, delegations of An were sitting in Moscow. and Fr. in order to conclude an agreement with the USSR, but in fact it turned out that they were simply delaying negotiations, quite possibly, expecting Hitler’s attack on Poland.
      2. Surgeon_XXX
        Surgeon_XXX 23 January 2016 17: 45 New
        +8
        You didn’t read the article at all ?! The author in black disassembled everything in Russian and put it in his mouth! This is not our soldier!
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 23 January 2016 12: 11 New
      +5
      I agree with you for all service stations, it would not be bad to remember how Field Marshal V. Keitel asked Marshal Zhukov (after the signing of the surrender), "... and these that also defeated us?"
  14. Jackking
    Jackking 23 January 2016 10: 29 New
    +2
    "There are three and a half months until Victory Day. I wonder how many more jackals will come out with this photo?" - Soon these jackals-traitors will come up with confirming video filming, the victims of the exam :))). There are no brains, they only know how to bark.
  15. c3r
    c3r 23 January 2016 10: 34 New
    +9
    I watched this film, too, not all, there was enough patience for 50 episodes. Then I just deleted it from the computer. The impression remained disgusting. The author tried to criticize the great throughout the film (any operation, even a victorious one, was considered from the position of "people are a hero, leaders are dull) case) and try to justify the low (for example, the actions of Vlasov from the underground are justified by the mistakes of the leadership, and this general supposedly even a victim). It's disgusting! He is not Pravdyuk, but pi.duk! An example should be taken from "our western partners". Their film " World War II in color "contains some facts, moreover, convenient for the winners! Nowhere is there a hint of" mediocre command ", and all defeats are attributed to other reasons, and so that in the end they are heroes! This is how history should be written, and not deal with waffling apologies and smearing snot on your face!
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 23 January 2016 10: 59 New
      +1
      I haven't watched World War II in color, but I read Churchill's memoirs about WWII. There he does not hide anything and criticizes the command of his troops. Himself, of course, as any memoirist praises. But he led and could not directly participate in the planning of specific military operations.
      1. c3r
        c3r 23 January 2016 13: 21 New
        +5
        It’s one thing to criticize the British by the time they fought (playing catch-up) with Rommel somewhere in Africa and Italy, away from Small Britain, and another thing is the hard fighting work of Soviet soldiers and commanders, home front workers in the fight against the enemy on their land!
  16. V.ic
    V.ic 23 January 2016 10: 39 New
    +3
    I agree with the author of the article. It is a fake and in Africa it is a fake. However, such a phenomenon as "trophies" was and flourished. And this is a fact that cannot be avoided. The world is complex. There is God and there is "evil", you just need to choose the right side with whom to be.
  17. Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 23 January 2016 10: 45 New
    -1
    The author has an iron patience, to review 80 episodes of this gov..a, I personally mastered about ten minutes and concluded that spending time on such outright muck is simply stupid.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 14: 13 New
      -1
      You can watch cartoons.
      Cool. Or a porno for a beer.
  18. moskowit
    moskowit 23 January 2016 11: 09 New
    +1
    Very interesting is the analysis of this picture on the site "The Great Slandered War" under the heading photo-lie. There is a caption to a photograph in an old edition. For those interested, I give the address ...
    http://liewar.ru/fotopravda-i-fotolozh/267-k-voprosu-ob-odnoj-istoricheskoj-fals
    ifikatsii-ili-o-snimke-sovetskij-soldat-otbiraet-velosiped.html
  19. King, just king
    King, just king 23 January 2016 11: 49 New
    +6
    I already boarded up.
    The photo? Ah soo .. Yes, let it be true three times, and not false. And let as they say at our soldier, on the Reichstag with a banner two or three hours on hand, yes .... Let these creatures German, to the end of their Germany (it seems not long left) they bow to the ground that our soldiers do their scum at all left alive. They for what they have done, it was necessary to leave without anything at all, naked in the cold, CREATIVE, HATE !!. Where would our country of the USSR be, if it were not for these superhuman bastards?
    Well, Nitsche, the Syrian guys (I really hope on Assad’s instructions) will show them!
    1. King, just king
      King, just king 23 January 2016 14: 19 New
      +1
      Minus! In how. Show up, counter, justify. Probably a German or a descendant of a Vlasovite.
      1. Alex
        Alex 23 January 2016 14: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: King, just king
        Minus! In how. Show up, counter, justify. Probably a German or a descendant of a Vlasovite.

        I didn’t put a minus (not quite in my style, only in the most extreme cases), but I didn’t like your comment. And that's why.

        The photo? Ah soo .. Yes, let it be true three times, and not false. And let as they say in our soldier, on the Reichstag with a banner two or three hours on his hand, yes ....
        That is, do you admit that a Soviet soldier will rob a woman, even if in euphoria from victory or driven by the desire to slightly improve his financial situation? This thesis somehow slightly agrees with the moral qualities of those veterans (they, like my grandfather, have long been dead) that I knew.

        Let these creatures German, to the end of their Germany (it seems not long left) to the ground they bow to us that our soldiers generally left their bastards alive. They had to leave them for nothing that they had done with us, naked in the cold,
        This thesis, too, somehow more to the ancient Babylonian "eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" ascends than to Stalin's "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain." By the way, this is exactly what some "truth-seekers" appeal to when they talk about "millions of raped German women" - like, this is righteous revenge, let them remember about our tortured and killed. But such "arguments" are a Trojan horse of vile political technology: "excuses" will soon be forgotten, but "facts" will remain in memory. And the disgusting feeling of "guilt" before "enlightened Europe" - too.

        CREATION, HATE !!. Where would our country of the USSR be, if it were not for these superhuman bastards?
        My heart also bleeds when I think about how we would live if we were given this opportunity. But no one will ever let RUSSIA and RUSSIANS live in peace. And it's not just about our wealth: the "civilized world", albeit with difficulty, but somehow it would have survived. The point is that WE ARE OTHER. We do not rob the vanquished, we do not rape their women, we do not poison them with the Cyclone, we burn the living in sheds, we do not cut off their heads in the name of our gods. We are merciless in the enemy, but merciful to the defeated. It is this MORAL EXCELLENCE that they cannot forgive us, this is what all these "corrections of history" and "searches for historical justice" are aimed at.

        I understand your emotionality (obviously, you are young), but our enemies are constantly trying to transfer discussions from a factual plane to an emotional one (the ever-memorable Svanidze succeeded especially in this), but do not give them this pleasure. Facts, logic, documents - and that’s it, a bit map.
  20. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 23 January 2016 12: 16 New
    +1
    I started to watch this type of documentary once. It was enough for 3 episodes, I watched the rest selectively. Biased there everything is shown and told.
  21. alexvac2016
    alexvac2016 23 January 2016 12: 27 New
    +1
    Do you not believe in conspiracy with aliens? But in vain!
  22. Supervised
    Supervised 23 January 2016 12: 36 New
    +7
    The other day I was reading the memoirs of a German prisoner of war (rank and file). What captured him most of all in our captivity was the fact that when they were sent to Germany in 1949, before being loaded into the carriage, the camp commandant called him and gave him personal items for signature, including engagement gold ring. Make a conclusion yourself!
    1. Klos
      Klos 23 January 2016 14: 03 New
      +1
      Do you mean the memories of Fritz Wittmann?
  23. Avantageur
    Avantageur 23 January 2016 13: 09 New
    +7
    Popandopulo in Berlin

    How many more of these V. Govnyukov in the post-Soviet space - simply can not be counted. The author - well done! Expose again, bastard parasites.
  24. karevik
    karevik 23 January 2016 13: 46 New
    0
    I wrote my thoughts about Pravdyuk and others like him, expressed what I think! I see the refusal is not correct! Ksati Pravdyuk is not the only one, there are several of them in the editorial office of this movie. It’s time for the suitcase train station to Zapadensky native penates! Better yet, per zone. slander, and even better on him and others like him!
  25. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 23 January 2016 13: 58 New
    +2
    whitewashed themselves soyuznichki) yes so. that a fake ordinary man saw through. and before this photo and article, we all knew that we had no friends. and not friends in order to expose themselves in the white light should drown someone in the mud. Yes, that’s a mistake. long ago we know your price
  26. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 14: 07 New
    -22 qualifying.
    Come on AF-fluoride!
    Sovinform bureau plug, the lies of Soviet propaganda.
    27 million dead, a third of industrial enterprises, one hundred thousand agricultural enterprises - this is the price of war! Russia has never won.
    Stalin understood this. And did not celebrate anything.
    Victory Day appeared much later.
    What was the fate of the victorious people? The same collective farm, sticks for workdays instead of money, communal apartments ... still many veterans huddle in huts.
    Pravdyuk said everything correctly.
    In his film, he also talked about Pokryshkin, and about Marinesko, about Matyasevich ... about many other heroes who were blocked by oxygen by commissars and near-party intriguers, who were not allowed to live and work.
    Much has been said there about Tributs .... the losses at the Tallinn crossing exceeded the losses at Tsushima by several times.
    Or remember how Tributs sent submarines to the networks and German fields in order to report to Stalin.
    About the unjustified cruelty of Zhukov ... about the mediocrity of Budenny and Voroshilov, about the boilers of the 41st ...

    Only the author is modestly silent about this part of the film.
    By the way, in the Soviet award system there is the Order of Zhukov. This is a medallion with four shields of red enamel arranged in the form of a cross.
    I asked and found out that this order is not awarded.
    The military does not want to wear this sign.
    The last award was made 20 years ago, a total of 100 badges were awarded mainly to war veterans.
    The Pravdyuk series is a strong, very truthful picture that gives a real assessment of the events of the war.
    Every Russian patriot must find time and see, it is quite accessible he is on the network.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 23 January 2016 14: 44 New
      +4
      Read about the Tallinn crossing from Kuznetsov, Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. He knows a little more.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 17: 05 New
        -5
        Kuznetsov wrote under Khrushchov?
        What could he write there other than "Long live Soviet power."
        Kuznetsov under Stalin was demoted and sat, then Khrushchev released him, returned the title, and then again demoted. He did not want to go to prison again.
        In addition, I recall about censorship.
        Soviet censorship would not miss a word or a hint if it contradicted the party’s general line. There was an official point of view on these events.
        You can minus as much as you like. But questions remain.

        You're probably ready to fight like that again. There are 140 million of us. 5 more of these wars is enough.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 23 January 2016 19: 47 New
          +1
          As for censorship - you are right: all memoirs and books related to the army and war passed through the Literary Department of the General Staff, where they were checked for disclosure of state. secrets and relevance. These books are all the more valuable because they are based on the directives of the General Staff and Headquarters and other documents. Since you will not read, and the Rules do not allow reprinting the book, I will quote.
          "Nevertheless, the Red Banner Baltic Fleet managed to withdraw nine-tenths of the warships from besieged Tallinn to the rear bases ... Thanks to ... the unprecedented heroism of more than 17 thousand people on board sinking ships or already in the water, more than 12 thousand the man was saved and delivered to Kronstadt."The British Admiralty has assessed this campaign as unparalleled in the history of the navy.
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          2. 2news
            2news 23 January 2016 20: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: Igor V
            to withdraw nine-tenths of warships from besieged Tallinn to the rear bases.

            Scrap metal, of course, is the right thing. But it’s right to count in human lives.
            What were the real losses of this transition? Out of Tallinn 41 992 person (including crews, troops, civilians), eventually delivered to Kronstadt - 26 881 man died 15 111 people (8 600 military personnel of the fleet and 143 civilian fleets, 1 soldiers of the ground forces, 740 civilians) - (Zubkov R.A. Tallinn breakthrough of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet). Those. Losses accounted for 4% of those on ships.
            What then can be "nine-tenths"?
            A bit about the author. Radiy Anatolyevich Zubkov, Rear Admiral. He participated in the Great Patriotic War. In 1974-1986 he was the chief navigator of the USSR Navy, from 1986 to 1991 - senior lecturer of the department "Operational Art of the Navy" of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces. Candidate of Military Sciences, Associate Professor. He started working on the book in 1998. The work lasted 13 years.
            Quote: Igor V
            The Admiralty of Great Britain rated this campaign as unprecedented in the history of the navy.

            When you write such "weighty phrases", be sure to add somewhere at the end, "three times to the yellow pants." What, without a reference to the statement of "real people" can not be done?
          3. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 23: 51 New
            -3
            We fought on our territory, where everything is familiar, everything our own and at the same time left the enemy half of Russia. Is this conceivable? We had warehouses nearby and bases, gasoline shells, and we were preparing, how was it? And while they had an advantage in all types of weapons, both quantitative and qualitative.
            1. 2news
              2news 24 January 2016 00: 10 New
              -1
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              and we were preparing

              And then. And as usual, intensively. Those. we ran in the foot not 1 time, but 3 times a day. And peppy songs bawled 3 times more. Very intensively prepared.
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              And while they had an advantage in all types of weapons, both quantitative and qualitative.

              And what about the qualitative advantage in more detail? Can you give any examples? Not for all, at least for some types of weapons.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 24 January 2016 09: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: 2news
                And what about the qualitative advantage in more detail? Can you give any examples? Not for all, at least for some types of weapons.

                370 KV-1 and Kv-2 and 1226 T-34, before the start of the war. KV-2, for example, the Germans could hit only 88-mm anti-aircraft guns.
                1. 2news
                  2news 24 January 2016 10: 32 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  370 KV-1 and Kv-2 and 1226 T-34, before the start of the war. KV-2, for example, the Germans could hit only 88-mm anti-aircraft guns.

                  1. For starters, not 370 and 1226, but 501 and 891. That is at least indicated in the summary of the Red Army before the outbreak of war.
                  2. Who told you that the T-34 had some global advantages over everyone new models of German tanks (there were about 1300 pieces of many models there)? Agitprop? Do not listen to him, he is misleading you. The T-34 was the most massive 2MV tank. But he was not the best. In 1941 he possessed the most powerful tank gun. On this his advantages over the German tanks of the new models end. A tank is not only a cannon.
                  3. KV-1 really had the advantage, because tanks of this class appeared in the Wehrmacht only in the summer of 1942. But mostly on paper. Because possessed from birth a defective gearbox. It was replaced by a new one, and the tank was able to confidently move only in the summer of 1942. In the version of KV-1C. But then the Tiger had already appeared, and the KV-1C was decently inferior to him in everything.
                  4. Tank KV-2, due to its gigantic size, was a good target. Especially considering his problems with the gearbox, which due to its weight were even greater than the KV-1. The Germans hit him not only with anti-aircraft guns, but also with large-caliber dartillery.
                  5. You forgot about 100 T-28E tanks. By the totality of characteristics, this particular tank can be called the strongest Soviet tank of the initial period of the war. Despite the fact that he was armed with a less powerful L-10 gun. But at the same time he was no stronger than the German Pz.KpfW.IV Ausf.F1 and Pz.KpfW.III Ausf.J (384 units in the invading army).
    2. Sakmagon
      24 January 2016 10: 22 New
      +4
      Thanks, I already read Rezun.
      I generally read and listen to everyone - it’s easier to understand the true picture. And I always pay attention to little things - as one clever "Devil - in details" said. For example, you have an interesting avatar. "Private of the Samur Infantry Regiment of the Volunteer Army". The "Samur Regiment" was based on mobilized Red Army soldiers who were captured near the village of Peschanoperekopskaya in the Kuban. On June 21, 1918, they were formed into the Soldier's battalion from 3 companies, later on "the battalion was replenished with a new batch of captured Red Army men who wished to atone with arms in their hands for Russia and Orthodoxy, and deployed to the regiment".
      Did you like this picture because it generally symbolizes the "white movement", or did you like the phenomenon of "defectors"? Or something personal, family history?
      I ask this out of interest. By the way, Pravdyuk got burnt on the fact that, fiercely hating the Bolsheviks and Communists, he grabbed at any material, just to present them as black as possible. As a result, he brought out into the light of God a lot of fakes, gossip and outright slander, but, blinded by hatred, he did not see this. So it turned out that, trying to show the "bad Soviet generals", this gossip blindly smeared all the veterans with shit.
      Or for you, as for Pravdyuk, the Russian patriots are traitors to the Homeland of Vlasov and Krasnov? Kill your own to save them from Bolshevism? It's like the current blockade of Crimea laughing Then we are very out of the way ...
      1. Sakmagon
        24 January 2016 12: 41 New
        0
        Thank you for rating. Powerless "minus" instead of words - it happens so eloquently ...
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 January 2016 11: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Sacmagon
        So it turned out that, trying to show the "bad Soviet generals", this gossip blindly smeared all the veterans with shit.
        Pravdyuk, in fact, recognized Rokossovsky as the best commander of the Second World War - among all, and not just the Red Army. He praised the defeat of the Quantum Army by Vasilevsky, with losses of 20 to 1. I learned from Pravdyuk about Lev Dovator, the hero of the first period of the war, and so on. And so Vlasova, does not justify with any place. So you all, frankly, are misinterpreting, for which there is a minus. And to find fault with avatars, this is generally the last thing
        1. Sakmagon
          25 January 2016 16: 34 New
          0
          That's it - he talks about individual heroes, and then smears ALL shit - I specifically quoted his phrase letter by letter. What does it mean?
          And if you’ve learned about the hero-cavalryman, whose names are a lot of streets in different cities and even the steamboat, only from the film by Pravdyuk, then this means that before that you were not even interested in the history of the country in the volume of the school course and Soviet films about the war. But this, you see, is not my fault and not the merit of Pravdyuk. But he didn’t find fault with the avatar, don’t distort, paid attention and asked a question, read carefully. I’ll leave a minus for memory, I won’t answer ...
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 25 January 2016 20: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Sacmagon
            And if you’ve learned about the hero-cavalryman, whose names are a lot of streets in different cities and even the steamboat, only from the film by Pravdyuk, then this means that before that you were not even interested in the history of the country in the volume of the school course and Soviet films about the war.
            Truth? A specific textbook of school history will not bring? And a specific movie about the war? Show the ability to work with materials ... about the streets and the ship - this is not serious. In St. Petersburg there is no Dovatora street.
            Quote: Sacmagon
            That's it - he talks about individual heroes, and then smears ALL shit - I specifically quoted his phrase letter by letter. What does it mean?

            What is the exact phrase where he "smears everyone with shit"? - we will discuss
            Let’s do it without minuses and specifically with facts - I’m only for it, because I’m used to working with materials, and not to do lumbering like local marshals
            1. Sakmagon
              26 January 2016 10: 09 New
              +1
              As a film, I recommend starting with Ozerov's film epic. It can be continued with modern ones, both fictional and documentary. ("The Legend of the Belarusian Cossack" and "General Dovator").
              "...about the streets and the ship - this is not serious. In St. Petersburg there is no Dovator street... "- brilliant! I recognize a metropolitan resident! Not in St. Petersburg, which means that it is absent in the universe. If it exists somewhere, it MUST be shown to me ...
              "... Show the ability to work with materials ..."Where does this tone come from? Who are YOU, that I would" show "something to you? And what does YOUR ignorance of history and the real state of things have to do with it? I did not educate and teach you, what are your complaints against me?
              "... I’m just for it, because I’m used to working with materials, and not to do lumbering, like sofa marshals of a local scale ..."- as I understand it, about the sofa - it's for me. I don't believe it. If you worked, you wouldn't ask such questions.
              I give offhand a few photos - and Adyu. Your boorish exactingness and incomprehensible claims I DO NOT do with YOUR under-education have repelled all desire to communicate personally with you. Accept my assurances, etc. ... In general, learn yourself.
              1. Sakmagon
                26 January 2016 10: 11 New
                0
                This is a street, but there are schools in his name
              2. Sakmagon
                26 January 2016 10: 11 New
                0
                ... and not only.
              3. Sakmagon
                26 January 2016 10: 16 New
                0
                About him, they not only shot but also wrote:
              4. Sakmagon
                26 January 2016 10: 20 New
                0
                there are even icons depicting a steamer named after them. Dovator - i.e., a complete set - for film lovers, book readers, falerist and philatelists! Only I did not meet money with Dovator ...
              5. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 26 January 2016 16: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Sacmagon
                As a film, I recommend starting with the movie epic of Ozerov.
                The film epic of Ozerov begins with the Battle of Kursk and then until the end of the war. Dovator died at 41
                Quote: Sacmagon
                It can be continued with modern ones, both fictional and documentary. ("The Legend of the Belarusian Cossack" and "General Dovator").

                And here they are modern - they said a post above
                Quote: Sacmagon
                even in the volume of the school course and Soviet films about the war.
                - where are Soviet films and a school course?
                Quote: Sacmagon
                I give offhand a few photos - and Adyu. Your boorish exactingness and incomprehensible claims I DO NOT do with YOUR under-education have repelled all desire to communicate personally with you. Accept my assurances, etc. ... In general, learn yourself.
                It is clear, that is, according to Pravdyuk, there is nothing to say, and you began to put all the emphasis on the Dovator, whom I generally mentioned, just as an example. Like the above with Morgan's avatar, moving away from the main topic, aside.

                Well, as you want, in the end, I have not learned anything new and interesting from you. A set of solid stamps, yes, inflating cheeks hi
                1. Sakmagon
                  27 January 2016 09: 09 New
                  0
                  I could not resist laughing
                  "... The film epic of Ozerov begins with the Battle of Kursk and further until the end of the war. Dovator died in 41 ...
                  This is YOUR level of knowledge. Ozerov's FILM "Liberation" begins with Kursk, and the FILM EPIC includes the serial films "Battle for Moscow" (1985), "Stalingrad" (1989), "Liberation" (1968-1972) and "Soldiers of Freedom" (1977) .. ... hi hi hi
  27. 2news
    2news 23 January 2016 14: 09 New
    +4
    Too many words. And without them it is clear that:
    1. Someone in clothing that is somewhat reminiscent of the Soviet military uniform pretends to take a bicycle from a woman.
    2. A woman pretends that the bicycle does not give.
    3. The matter is not happening in the USSR, because then they didn’t dress like that.
    4. The case is most likely not in Asia or Africa.
    5. The temperature at the shooting location is positive.
    Here, in fact, that's all.
    It is not clear why someone decided that this was a Soviet soldier, a German, and the case was going on in Berlin after the war. The easiest way to not respond to such photos at all. Unless the mustache and horns to finish the participants.
    1. Surgeon_XXX
      Surgeon_XXX 23 January 2016 18: 26 New
      +4
      The author of the article made a binding to the place and attached the photo.
      1. 2news
        2news 23 January 2016 18: 47 New
        -3
        Quote: Surgeon_XXX
        The author of the article made a binding to the place and attached the photo.

        The author proceeded from the assumption that the picture was definitely taken in Berlin.
        There are not many places in Berlin that are decorated with columns in several rows.

        Who told him that? This is just his version. There are some bare assumptions, and no more.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 January 2016 21: 32 New
          +3
          Well, where else could this picture be taken? In Koenigsberg? So there weren't any Saxons there. And, excuse me, hello comrade 4. smile
          1. 2news
            2news 23 January 2016 21: 55 New
            -4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Well, where else could this picture be taken? In Koenigsberg? So there weren't any Saxons there.

            Everywhere. For example, in the filming pavilion of the city of Zadrishchensk Town.
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  28. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 23 January 2016 14: 27 New
    +3
    There were special huge warehouses where goods and ownerless property were transported.
    Soviet soldiers had the opportunity to send parcels to their homeland, receiving goods from these warehouses, in addition, there were many destroyed neighborhoods, residents were killed and there was a draw.
    The soldiers often did not understand the value of the property, they brought consumer goods, pillows, underwear, and sewing machines.
    And nearby in the dust lay masterpieces.
    This is how Knorozov brought invaluable samples of Maya writing in the soldier's "sidor", several books were lying on the floor. The deciphering of these texts was an important step in the study of the life of the Indians of the pre-Columbian period.
  29. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 23 January 2016 14: 38 New
    0
    By the way, in this photo (in the center, in the middle in the foreground) - Grishka-Reichstag. He is Grigory Bulatov. The man, who actually erected the first Soviet banner on the Reichstag (the farce with Yegorov and Kantaria was entirely staged on instructions "from above" - ​​and retroactively, because "it was necessary"). For those interested, you can read in more detail here: http://forum.wotblitz.ru/index.php?/topic/2859- magazine- lightning- fifth- issue/page__
    pid__55416 # entry55416 (there is the third part of the cycle, dedicated just to Bulatov’s personality, but if you wish, you can read the previous parts - everything is in the same sub-forum, in previous issues). For seed:
    Bureaucracy and inertness are timeless things, because, it would seem, what is the problem: at last to repay the real heroes deserving. Even posthumously. Neither the exploits of our fathers and grandfathers, nor the valor of Yegorov and Kantaria themselves, are diminished, because they (at least according to documents that have reached us) were considered the best scouts of their part, plus - once again, excerpts from the memoirs of Pravotorov (as if experienced a soldier and an honest man even in this terrible war, he was fully responsible for his words):
    “I personally have no complaints against Egorov and Kantaria. Nice guys. They attributed nothing to themselves. It’s not their fault that they were artificially made heroes. And they are not impostors at all. On the contrary, modest lads. I remember that we, scouts, are standing by the horses on the roof of the Reichstag and saluting the Banner of Victory. At this time, photojournalists and cameramen are filming us. Egorov and Kantaria stand aside. I shout to them:
    - Come on, guys, to us!
    They are out of place. They are smiling. And Cantaria with an accent answers:
    “We don’t need someone else’s fame.”




    But what about poor Grishka-Reichstag? And nothing has changed:

    I warn you, the story with Bulatov was sad. Not sure - don't read.
    1. Chtononibrator
      Chtononibrator 23 January 2016 23: 00 New
      +5
      Farce is to seek first among equals. Bulatov, too, was not alone in breaking into the Reichstag.
  30. Johnny51
    Johnny51 23 January 2016 15: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    how many more jackals will come out with this photo?

    For Victory Day, they will come out not only with photographs, but also with new "revelations" and simply accusations. For two years in a row, Gozman has been doing this, to whom the Jewish community is simply obliged to fight back for his attitude towards the Second World War and veterans.

    Lord, why are you surprised ?! D.E.R.L.M. O just MUST stink! Not long ago, the “great ukrovs” had “the repentance of Strelkov, an FSB colonel,” where he admits that it was he, at the command of the Kremlin, who unleashed the war in Donbass. It is he, not the Nazis ... And none of the "great ukrov" is embarrassed by the "repentance of the mothers of the dead paratroopers of the Pskov division" ... The "great Ukrainians" are eating, but not with a spoon, but with a shovel and still asking.
  31. King, just king
    King, just king 23 January 2016 15: 29 New
    -2
    Quote: Alex
    Quote: King, just king
    Minus! In how. Show up, counter, justify. Probably a German or a descendant of a Vlasovite.

    I didn’t put a minus (not quite in my style, only in the most extreme cases), but I didn’t like your comment. And that's why.

    The photo? Ah soo .. Yes, let it be true three times, and not false. And let as they say in our soldier, on the Reichstag with a banner two or three hours on his hand, yes ....
    That is, do you admit that a Soviet soldier will rob a woman, even if in euphoria from victory or driven by the desire to slightly improve his financial situation? This thesis somehow slightly agrees with the moral qualities of those veterans (they, like my grandfather, have long been dead) that I knew.

    Let these creatures German, to the end of their Germany (it seems not long left) to the ground they bow to us that our soldiers generally left their bastards alive. They had to leave them for nothing that they had done with us, naked in the cold,
    This thesis, too, somehow more to the ancient Babylonian "eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" ascends than to Stalin's "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain." By the way, this is exactly what some "truth-seekers" appeal to when they talk about "millions of raped German women" - like, this is righteous revenge, let them remember about our tortured and killed. But such "arguments" are a Trojan horse of vile political technology: "excuses" will soon be forgotten, but "facts" will remain in memory. And the disgusting feeling of "guilt" before "enlightened Europe" - too.

    CREATION, HATE !!. Where would our country of the USSR be, if it were not for these superhuman bastards?
    My heart also bleeds when I think about how we would live if we were given this opportunity. But no one will ever let RUSSIA and RUSSIANS live in peace. And it's not just about our wealth: the "civilized world", albeit with difficulty, but somehow it would have survived. The point is that WE ARE OTHER. We do not rob the vanquished, we do not rape their women, we do not poison them with the Cyclone, we burn the living in sheds, we do not cut off their heads in the name of our gods. We are merciless in the enemy, but merciful to the defeated. It is this MORAL EXCELLENCE that they cannot forgive us, this is what all these "corrections of history" and "searches for historical justice" are aimed at.

    I understand your emotionality (obviously, you are young), but our enemies are constantly trying to transfer discussions from a factual plane to an emotional one (the ever-memorable Svanidze succeeded especially in this), but do not give them this pleasure. Facts, logic, documents - and that’s it, a bit map.



    "Alex", I have a feeling that when you wrote this post, you either thoughtfully corrected your glasses from time to time, or you were even in parallel. I am 46 years old (this is about age), but when I wrote "THERE, I HATE", yes, I exactly hated and hate all the creatures descendants and living Germans of the former Nazi Germany.
    I will write again: it’s parallel to me that our soldiers in Germany were robbing and whom they raped, in general I’ve been denigrated by the history of the war, and by Svanidze and others like him.
    I clearly wrote - the Germans were all completely naked, in the cold, they could take everything to the nail, let them cultivate the soil with hoes - so that the great-great-great-grandchildren forever remember: Drang nakh Osten - is not a gut.
    1. Alex
      Alex 23 January 2016 17: 23 New
      +3
      Ironically, I really wear glasses. In all the rest ... Well, I'm sorry that our points of view do not coincide, but you certainly have the right to it and I will not argue with you. Anyway, in the comments.
  32. King, just king
    King, just king 23 January 2016 18: 03 New
    +5
    Quote: Alex
    Ironically, I really wear glasses. In all the rest ... Well, I'm sorry that our points of view do not coincide, but you certainly have the right to it and I will not argue with you. Anyway, in the comments.



    Yes, our points of view coincide, they coincide in general. The difference is in particulars. Alex, you know what's the matter. Communication on the forum, it seems to me, is nevertheless closer to the "rough language of the poster", and not to the professorial-mentoring tone. They talked, you sent, they sent you, or on the contrary practically drank together. "The truth is somewhere near". I, too, can express myself in a very "high calm". And the site, not narrowly specialized, can be about anything and as you like within the established rules.

    But in general, it's nice to talk. Accept the assurances of utmost reverence!
    Anatoly.
    1. Alex
      Alex 23 January 2016 20: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: King, just king
      But in general, it's nice to talk. Accept the assurances of utmost reverence! Anatoly.

      Similarly! hi
  33. mithridate
    mithridate 23 January 2016 20: 23 New
    +4
    excellent analysis, leaving no stone unturned by fake
  34. Fat
    Fat 23 January 2016 22: 26 New
    10
    The key to doubt is "a wonderful roll on the right shoulder." A reason to say "Ugh!", Especially after a large number of episodes of "don't know the epithets" of the video. I would have had enough to "break". I didn't have time to finish reading to the middle ... the falsity of what was baked in the photo struck. At first I thought what kind of a goof-photographer turned the film upside down when printing with an emulsion ... Then "and on f ... he has a" curtain. "Thank you very much Sakmagon, this is not even an analysis, but a completely competent, reasoned" preliminary investigation. With respect and gratitude, sincerely your "Fat" good hi
  35. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 January 2016 22: 34 New
    +5
    Thanks to the author for the excellent, high-quality work. One feels mastery of the method of analyzing photographs.
    We will wait for new revelations. With a certain amount, they can be used in the fight against "partners" as a response to the constant slander against us.
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 26 January 2016 17: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Thanks to the author for the excellent, high-quality work. One feels mastery of the method of analyzing photographs.

      The analysis is good, only, in a way, plagiarism. This photo was discussed back in 2009, the author of the article only summarized the conclusions. http://waralbum.ru/2229/ well, and slightly sinned against the truth, writing that the photo was not discussed
      1. Sakmagon
        27 January 2016 09: 30 New
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        Read carefully what was discussed - I indicated, including the name of the one who found the source. Only details were discussed, and superficially (except for the cap).
        And I was dealing specifically with a fake. "The main thing is the fact of this photo, and its interpretation has remained unchanged."Plagiarism? Who wrote that the photo itself is a fake?
        "... writing that the photo was not discussed ..."??? Actually, it is written" no one took this photo seriously. All the little things "
        Not solid ...
        1. veteran66
          veteran66 27 January 2016 18: 39 New
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          Quote: Sacmagon
          Not solid ...

          Okay, let's say I'm wrong about the fundamental nature of the study, but I didn’t learn anything new from your investigation, everything was already sucked from the above link and a long time ago. It may not be plagiarism, but it’s for sure.
  36. a housewife
    a housewife 23 January 2016 23: 16 New
    +4
    This photo always seemed to me somehow wrong, but I could not understand - what, only the roll was clearly not the right one. The meticulousness of the author is striking - just Holmes. Bravo! The only thing I disagree with is the bike frame. Itself always went on "ladies'", but several times met women on "masculine", and in dresses. One granny (70-75 years old) used to go on this one. Once I met her on a bike, with bags, during the ice !!!
    1. Sakmagon
      24 January 2016 12: 55 New
      0
      The lady knows better, but the dress "Frau" confuses me. Have you seen women on bicycles - in wide, flared or pleated skirts - but in a long, straight-cut raincoat? Moreover, judging by the fact that with a clear deviation of the figure back, the cloak does not hang down from behind - there is no cut on the back of the cloak. Or I'm wrong?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2016 00: 59 New
        +3
        The fact that the cloak did not sag behind, indicates that the frame was taken during the sudden movement of the Frau back, while the cloak slightly moved forward. The back section is unlikely to be there, it is just inconvenient when riding a bicycle. And in front of the clasp leaves the cloak open slightly. Under the cloak, there will most likely be a pretty loose dress or skirt. Most likely silk, judging by the way the cloak wrinkles. hi
  37. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 24 January 2016 06: 11 New
    +1
    Good article.
    Contribution from the author Sakmagon to the disclosure of falsifications of the Great Patriotic War, of the Red Army, of the Soviet soldier, of the Soviet Union.
  38. Jan2016
    Jan2016 24 January 2016 06: 52 New
    0
    In general, a very interesting topic of falsifications, including historical ones. In my opinion, there were already topics on the website about fake banknotes from Nazi Germany and Napoleon to the Allies. The topic itself is probably inexhaustible!
  39. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 24 January 2016 09: 16 New
    +1
    The photosession, which resulted in the appearance of this photo with a bicycle, was held near the dividing line of the zones of occupation. Therefore, I am 100% sure that this was noticed and noted in the proper documents by our observers on the Soviet side. Observation of the territories adjacent to the dividing line was carried out from both our and the opposite side.
    In the sixties, he was present during a conversation with a war veteran who served in such an observation post immediately after the war. So he said that they knew in the face of almost all the military personnel who were on the opposite side. Most of the command staff and some active rank-and-file soldiers were even known by their first names, surnames, and if the surname of someone was still unknown, he was given a temporary nickname. Any deviation from the regime of service, any new person who appeared on the opposite side was noted in the journal. Therefore, the appearance in the British zone of occupation of the American military with a photographer, and even with a group of artists, was necessarily recorded in our observation magazines and reported upstairs.
    Maybe the observation logs and reports still lie somewhere in the archive, or they may already be destroyed, like many other even more important and valuable documents.
    1. Sakmagon
      24 January 2016 09: 43 New
      0
      At the time of the picture, I'm not sure. If we consider that the "black market" in the Tiergarten was closed in September 1945, and before that our servicemen freely visited it (in the photo our girls are clearly not officer ranks), then, at least until September, the boundaries of the occupation zones were only marked on the spot and determined only which patrol has the right to turn you inside out with the fur. And the picture is dated August.
  40. Zulu.S
    Zulu.S 24 January 2016 18: 25 New
    +2
    Thanks for posting. Very meticulous and evidence-based. And most importantly - this is a very important matter.
  41. Leader
    Leader 24 January 2016 20: 12 New
    +1
    Definitely: thanks to the author for the excellent analysis of this photo fraud! good
    You can only believe in your own eyes. And then - not always.
    I myself, as a former photographer, say: there is no problem making any staged photo on any topic.
    Especially if there is a customer and a specific idea.
    Now, in the era of digital technology, you can’t believe photos and even video! No.

    I watched the film of this truth - I didn’t like it ... sad
  42. UNFAMILIAR
    UNFAMILIAR 24 January 2016 22: 44 New
    +1
    In general, despite the anti-Soviet orientation, the film is noteworthy that it examines the entire Second World War and closes all the gaps of those who are not interested, if you watch this film, about all theaters of military operations from Madagascar to Siam. As for the author's position, it is not indisputable, it is the difference from documentary filmmakers of that time (Svanidze, Radzinsky) is very "reactionary", for example, he debunks Khrushchev's myth about Stalin's drunkenness and confusion in the first days of the war, "allows" Stalin to be awarded the medal "For the Defense of Moscow", in the author's commentary he fully deserved it, urges not to sigh at the usual bombing of Japan (which brought many more casualties than nuclear) with the use of incendiary bombs, "after all, Russian villages burned the same way." But the author's attacks on Tributsa, Marinescu ("the attack on" Wilhelm Gustlav "cannot be called an" attack of the century ", the sinking of the second transport in the film is called a war crime), Petrov should look at his biography: date of birth 1941 Sevastopol, apparently the father is a military sailor and there were conversations at home (but broadcasting these conversations at the state expense ...).
    And the author of the article is quite possibly right, but Pravdyuk did not know this and did not conduct an investigation. For example, I considered, not being a uniformist, having looked at a German newsreel, all the scenes with the capture of Soviet soldiers, staged, relying on my idea of ​​the form, well, what kind of tankers' overcoats, collars with a lapel after the winter of 43, however, my friend, who gave me a disk with all issues of 43-44 years, to which he answered me: "Look, they dug up a Soviet soldier, we assume winter from 43 to 44 weapons - Mosin rifle (no bayonet) on the butt of damage similar to three serifs (which means that the person managed to fight, if not inherited), an English grenade, a pocket knife, equipment-belt fabric belt, chest cloth cartridge belt for three compartments (almost empty), spoon, no bag thing uniforms - American boots, boots (poorly preserved), batting suit, no shoulder straps, under it! shirt shoulder straps, with a stand, but one button is relatively well preserved and has two lava eagle (in fact, the prosaic explanation "old stocks"), on the head with earflaps, no cockade, no masked robe, no suicide bomber documents, remains of a Red Army man's book (work for real archaeologists, a friend explained that a book describing the location of the remains handed over to the "red rangers") "It is clear that all that was missing could be a meter away from the excavation of the black rangers, the presence of weapons suggests that the person most likely fell asleep, and a friend from his own experience assumed this.
  43. shoemaker
    shoemaker 25 January 2016 15: 37 New
    0
    In Prussia, they cut everyone in a row and nothing, but also pralno. photo, obviously fake, does not fit much. This soldier looks clearly not Russian. Not even dressed, the shape of the face, even the cap is applied in the German manner. And even if he is one of ours, a bullet in her forehead. They did not spare us.
  44. Seergey
    Seergey 6 October 2016 10: 15 New
    0
    Bravo!
    Meticulously, reasonably and documented.
  45. 1536
    1536 27 November 2016 12: 23 New
    +1
    Not only "Pravdyuk" (rhyme suggests itself) is angry, but our commission on counteracting the falsification of history, which, in my opinion, is headed by some regular academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, is angry at the so-called "house of photography", which has never organized an exhibition photographs of our war photographers, about what the Germans and their accomplices the Ukrainians were doing on Russian soil, what the Germans were doing in the occupied territories, in concentration camps, where are the photographs of Russian citizens being driven to Germany? Ruined temples, museums, stolen values ​​of our people. We are still restoring the temples, but they were destroyed by German barbarians.
    Eyewitnesses of the German occupation tell how, for the sake of entertainment, the Germans shot children from machine guns and small-bore rifles. And the case with brother Yu.A. Gagarin (the first cosmonaut of the Earth), whom a drunken German soldier hanged on a tree in the yard of a house ... "Forgot", scoundrels, all this? They make round eyes, distort the facts. Yes, they do not need to hit in the face with a piece of paper, but by law, by court, and compensation for moral damage. Then they might wake up.
    So what if our soldier takes a bicycle from a German woman? Never mind. He selects, so he considers it necessary! Let these pravdyuk ask the question: "Where will this soldier go with this bicycle? Which unit commander will give him this bicycle?" Or maybe this bike is needed at his home, his relatives, and they will plow on it or go to the factory? This can only be assumed by narrow-minded people, or enemies.
    It is a fact that the Germans today want to justify their crimes. The fact that they are being helped by the descendants of the fascist nedobit and policemen is also a fact. But then who are our "academics", gallery owners, historians and archivists? They will not be able to do this, because these crimes cannot be justified. And the truth will triumph sooner or later even without this rabid crowd that has flooded our TV and culture today.