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Gaseous state

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On the eve, the Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Volodymyr Demchyshyn during the meeting of the government "Square" made a proposal to extend the emergency situation in the energy sector of Ukraine. For a start, it is worth recalling that the emergency mode was introduced by the Yatsenyuk Cabinet 9 December 2015. The wording of that time was as follows (quote UNIAN):


In order to overcome the consequences of a long disruption of the normal operation of the electric energy market due to emergency situations in the United Energy System of Ukraine caused by damage to electric power plants, their elements and structures, and to ensure reliable, uninterrupted (stable) operation of the United Energy System of Ukraine, agree with the proposal of the Ministry energy and coal industry on the need for the adoption of such temporary emergency ynyh measures.

Gaseous state


The situation was complicated by frosts that came to Ukraine, and the fact that thermal power plants did not receive sufficient amounts of fuel. As a result, in Kiev once again they started talking that it was time to come to an agreement again with the Republic of South Africa, so that it would “brotherly” give a lift to the coal ... Is it suitable for ukroelektrostantsiy? Cabinet of Ministers "Square" decided again to postpone this conversation "for later."

Now, the idea of ​​Demchyshyn to extend the state of emergency in the energy sector of Ukraine in the Cabinet was categorically rejected. Interestingly, in the end, the head of the Ministry of Energy and Coal of Ukraine himself said that the emergency mode, they say, is not really necessary to extend. At the same time, Demchyshyn, who a couple of days ago (on Tuesday) stated that it was extremely necessary to purchase coal from South Africa, and that 85 thousand tons of such coal would be delivered to Ukraine in early February, already on Wednesday (that is, the day after) suddenly announced that Ukraine "managed to save about half a million tons of coal." The logic of Minister Demchishin was “appreciated” by the Ukrainian citizens, who made social networks boil over questions about why to buy coal on the other “edge” of the Earth, if half a million tons were “saved”, and about the purpose for which energy is generally saved, if in the majority Ukrainian apartments in the presence of central heating thermometer does not rise above 15-16 Celsius? ..

The answer to these reasonable questions asked by Ukrainian citizens to their Cabinet, there can be only one: coal, if it was saved, then saved it directly to the citizens of Ukraine and their welfare.

Against the background of coal passions and talk of introducing or not introducing a new stage of the emergency mode, the Ukrainian government announces its readiness to increase payments for the transit of Russian gas to Europe 1,5 times. According to the same Demchishin, the transit rate has already been raised (by whom?), And now it will be 4,5 dollars per 100 km of 1 transit thousand cubic meters of gas. Moreover, Kiev is little concerned about the simple fact that a contract between Russia and Ukraine is valid until 2019, and to raise interest rates, interest, prices, etc. etc. unilaterally, none of the parties.

Although what kind of general implementation of the contract Kiev can say, if he (Kiev) has long broken in this contract everything that could be broken. From the latter - Kiev (specifically, NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine) in the 3 quarter of 2015 did not agree with Gazprom on the extension of the cancellation of the take-or-pay formula. At that time, Kiev practically did not buy Russian gas officially (honestly, except for Russian gas, which Kiev bought as a “reverse” from European countries that discovered surpluses), and, of course, did not pay the money. Gazprom has calculated that only for 3-th quarter of 2015, the debt of Naftogaz, accumulated based on the take-or-pay formula, amounted to 2,5 billion dollars. This, incidentally, to those 8,2 billion dollars, which were formed in the form of debt "Naftogaz" to "Gazprom". If you measure the depth of the entire debt hole of Ukraine to Russia for gas only in the last few years, then it is completely astronomical - it came close to $ 30 billion.

It is clear that Kiev will not pay. It is also clear that there is nothing to pay, because everything was plundered by the Ukrainian oligarchy for a long time, and by those who managed to jump into the last carriage of the maydan train leading to the “energy” and, as a result, economic collapse (oh, that is, peremog ... ).

What to do? Gazprom has decided to file a lawsuit with the Stockholm arbitration, and Naftogaz is filing a counterclaim. And although it is clear that it was the Ukrainian side that actually spat on the contract and did not, by the way, sign a new contract, we should assume that there is nothing to catch Gazprom through the Stockholm arbitration under the current conditions ... There’s nothing because even arbitration not “Minsky”, but the most that Stockholm has with all the consequences ...

So, one option: "understand, forgive"? ..

Of course, it is possible to express the most diverse points of view regarding the fact that Gazprom will “shake out” debts from Naftogaz. That's just all the recent time for such shocks for some reason was not found. Therefore, they are unlikely to prove themselves today.

In any case, in such conditions, you will have to continue to pay attention to the quirks of Kiev and the reluctance of the Ukrainian leadership formed somewhere at the genetic level to honestly conduct business and contacts with any partners. And this attention will be addressed exactly as long as Ukraine is a transit state. As soon as the “Square” is forgiven with this status (and sooner or later it will happen if the Maidan grows into the subcortex ...), so in the toolkit for blackmail in the Ukrainian authorities, as they say, it will be reduced, because the empty rusting pipe under the gas "such an instrument is not by definition.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 21 January 2016 06: 08
    17
    It’s a pity that you can’t turn off immediately for always. I'm afraid that in 2019 it will not work. I really want to freeze this pigsty.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 21 January 2016 07: 13
      27
      This is a question for our leaders .. It's a good goal, let us help people, we feel sorry for them, ours will suffer another price increase, and "there are people too" .. And these "people" only think how to shit into the pocket of a neighbor .. Such a feeling that in the Kremlin they cut the branch on which they sit ..
      Quote: Vladimir
      It’s a pity that you can’t turn off immediately for always. I'm afraid that in 2019 it will not work. I really want to freeze this pigsty.
      1. Vend
        Vend 21 January 2016 09: 49
        +1
        So, one option: "understand, forgive"? ..
        Well, pipes. Forgive only for payment.
        1. Letun
          Letun 21 January 2016 10: 23
          -6
          Quote: Wend
          So, one option: "understand, forgive"? ..
          Well, pipes. Forgive only for payment.

          Well, since the whole marshal of this site has stated this, now you don’t have to worry about what they pay!
        2. vic58
          vic58 21 January 2016 11: 13
          +2
          Ay darago, why pay? As in the joke: Madame, the hussars do not take money! Just by force majeure to raise prices for Europe ... This is stated in the supply contract repeat
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 13: 40
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir
      I really want to freeze this pigsty.

      It looks like Censor.ru.
      And you want and pricks and mom does not order.
    3. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 21 January 2016 21: 25
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      It’s a pity that you can’t disconnect

      on the other hand, you do not need to transfer "real" money for transit. to offset debt unilaterally pay for transit with their debts
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 21 January 2016 06: 11
    +5
    At least coal from South Africa will be needed for heating homes. It’s bad, but it’s still burning.
    In 2019, the contract for the transportation of gas through the gas transportation system in Ukraine ends.
    I hope that this time will be enough to find new ways for transportation.
  3. Wolka
    Wolka 21 January 2016 06: 11
    +7
    it’s good to bother, that’s how much has been written about the energy crisis in Ukraine, but it still lives, and there are frosts, and prices are prohibitive, everything is bad, but it lives on, and nothing will fail, but all this is strange ...
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 January 2016 06: 24
      +3
      There is a general idea - the aggression of Russia. Therefore, it does not collapse. Take it from under the saddle and begin to look around, it will start there ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 January 2016 06: 26
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      , and she lives, and there are frosts, and prices are prohibitive, everything is bad, but she lives, and everything will not collapse, but all this is strange ...

      What was supposed to happen? We also did not understand how in the 90s, but we lived. Another thing is that they live like in the ass, although in the ass it will be better.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 11: 29
        -9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        although in the ass it will be better.

        So speak as if you have experience.
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 21 January 2016 15: 08
          +4
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          So speak as if you have experience.

          experience is yes, there is. in the 90s famously weakened, and the children were taught, and they themselves survived, so let’s break through!
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 21 January 2016 17: 10
            -3
            Quote: Viktor Demchenko
            experience is yes, there is. in the 90s famously weakened, and the children were taught, and they themselves survived, so let’s break through!

            Alexander Romanov from Vladivostok clearly shows that Ukrainians live worse than in the ass, and some Ukrainians from some Lvov think that Russians live worse than in the ass, who is right? Yes, no one, even a Jew, was mistaken when they said "it's good where we are not."
      2. atalef
        atalef 21 January 2016 15: 06
        0
        If you measure the depth of the entire debt hole of Ukraine to Russia for gas only in the last few years, then it is completely astronomical - coming close to $ 30 billion.

        interesting . and how it was counted. if Ukraine consumed gas a year on - sort of like 3 billion bucks a year. (or maybe I'm wrong in the amount?)
        they don’t pay for 10 years?
        1. Rivares
          Rivares 21 January 2016 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          interesting . and how it was counted. if Ukraine consumed gas a year on - sort of like 3 billion bucks a year. (or maybe I'm wrong in the amount?)
          they don’t pay for 10 years?

          You're wrong.
          “The total debt of Ukraine in connection with“ take or pay ”fines is $ 29,477 billion today, of which $ 2,604 billion is Ukraine’s debt for gas supplies in 2013-2014, plus penalties,” he said (Miller).
          link RIA news 28.05.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 21 January 2016 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      and she lives, and there are frosts, and prices are prohibitive, everything is bad, but she lives, and nothing will fail, but all this is strange ..

      Nothing strange, Ukrainians are patient people. This Europeans similar deterioration in living conditions leads to despondency and panic, and these - a damn thing. By the way, in this we are similar to Ukrainians.
      As long as they promise euro-nishtyaks, they will endure and blame Russia for everything. The dream to "pan" subsequently heats up no worse than a hot battery.
      1. Boos
        Boos 21 January 2016 08: 39
        11
        It is not necessary to blame everything on the Ukrainians, for the most part they are the same Russian, there is such a nation-Jews who sit in Kiev and Moscow, doing business behind the scenes on our blood and hardships, in a single team with the same "world financial circles." At the same time, they are good at negotiating among themselves. Where has the Kremlin's belligerent rhetoric about Kiev gone?
    4. gergi
      gergi 21 January 2016 12: 25
      -4
      Corpses on the streets of Kiev with a two-meter layer! Cadaverous stench all over Ukraine! So should she die? So that all at once see, in kind she died!
      1. Scud
        Scud 21 January 2016 16: 57
        0
        There is an extinction of the population just dill media (smitnyky) do not write about it. But it is reliably known that at least two dying or disappearing every day in dill are Karl-sel.
  4. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 21 January 2016 06: 15
    +4
    How much can you tolerate with these morons in Kuev?
    Only give gas to those who pay in the geyrop and that's all.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 January 2016 06: 26
      +2
      Quote: Dynamic Systems
      Only give gas to those who pay in the geyrop and that's all.

      Transit! They will steal.
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 21 January 2016 07: 56
        +6
        And why did Gazprom refuse in 2014 to transfer gas delivery points to the eastern border of Ukraine? Then the head would not hurt about paying for transit or theft of gas. Naturally, for a slightly lower price. This is also supported by the EU. Then it was not necessary to invest Russian billions in the southern or Turkish stream. Which now lie in the ground in the form of pipes and compressor stations. But Gazprom referred to the saying that it is difficult to redo the agreement with new points of delivery. So is Brussels to put pressure on their countries. And transit through Ukraine will still remain after 2019 - this is the EU condition for the construction of SP-2. So Gazprom cuts itself and it is not at all a pity.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 January 2016 08: 22
        +1
        For God's sake! But in Europe. Not a bit to compensate for the stolen. And after a couple of months everything will normalize, I assure you.
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 January 2016 06: 49
    +1
    Ukraine is a cancerous tumor on a gas vessel feeding Europe.
    And they do not touch her because she can break this "vessel".
    As soon as the "shunting" -North Stream-2 is made,
    so immediately the tumor will be disconnected from the power and will begin to be treated with various
    "chemotherapy" until she dies and is absorbed in the surrounding tissue-countries.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 21 January 2016 08: 02
      0
      And if they block the SP-2? There is no unanimity. Almost a dozen countries are against.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 January 2016 08: 24
      0
      The way out suggests itself. Ukrainian pipe under international control.
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 21 January 2016 07: 06
    +3
    I regret to note that Russia has virtually no leverage over Ukraine.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 January 2016 08: 25
      +2
      Russian Armed Forces yes Lever ... It's time for 30 lards to take something. Yes, and provide reliable transit.
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 21 January 2016 07: 17
    +3
    Read these contracts - gas and transit.
  8. Klos
    Klos 21 January 2016 07: 20
    +6
    Oh, gases, gases ... Nate to you a discount, Nate to you reprieve, citizens of Ukrainian oligarchs. And half of Russia to this day is drowning with wood. God forbid that you didn’t pay on time - the welders already fun hang on the pipe-cut off. This is if there is gas. Well, right, someone should pay for yachts and helicopters, planes, otherwise dreams will not come true, so to speak
    1. Riv
      Riv 21 January 2016 07: 37
      -6
      You, my friend, have you been to Russia for a long time?
      1. Klos
        Klos 21 January 2016 11: 06
        0
        I’ve been here for a long time. From birth. And I was October, and a pioneer. And I will live here, and my children will also live here.
        1. Riv
          Riv 21 January 2016 14: 46
          +1
          But they’re drowning with firewood !!! 111 How to live here? And the welders cut the gas!
          By the way: you have written such heresy about welders ...
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 21 January 2016 15: 12
        0
        I live here, if that. but the last example from the actions of the GP, the aunt froze at home, as the gas was turned off for non-payment for three months. What is it like?
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 21 January 2016 08: 52
      -8
      Only a cottage can be broached with firewood. And then in the summer.
      Coal is drowned.
      And it’s not bad. Gas for a village from three houses can be pulled only by an i-diot
      Don't like the oligarchs and their yachts? Well, arrange Maidan. Better yet, a full-fledged riot. I suspect that you will have a chance to ride a yacht with a leather jacket and a Mauser for a short time. And dreams will come true.
      1. Riv
        Riv 21 January 2016 09: 58
        -1
        What else is a Mauser? Well, what kind of Mausers do they have in Israel, tell me?
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 21 January 2016 18: 49
          0
          Mausers in Russia.
          Weapon of revolutionaries. It is called "Bolo" from the word "Bolshevik". Our heroic ancestors were armed with them.
      2. Klos
        Klos 21 January 2016 11: 02
        +6
        I know "villages" in which there are several thousand inhabitants, but there is no blue fuel. Even Yamal is full of them. Do you like oligarchs? There was no talk of love (dislike) for them. And you don't need to call me to the Maidan, I'm not going to I also dream of a strong state that takes care of its people, which can supply gas to a village of three houses, because people live there. Minus a yacht, plus a gasified settlement. And I use firewood. drowned, so I know what I'm talking about.
        1. Riv
          Riv 21 January 2016 14: 51
          -1
          And why should the state actually do this? Are you, sorry, not from Khokhlostan? It seems like ... That too, everyone around should.

          The gas pipeline is not a problem. The project is needed, materials, workers ... All this is there. But why exactly should the state pay for all this just so that it is warm for you in three houses? Throw off the whole world - and forward. Say: "I pay taxes" - I also pay them. Why should they draw gas to the village for my hard-earned money? And maybe I want a nuclear warhead to be blinded specifically for my taxes. Let the oligarchs profit, but the military should have it.

          So, have you come to Russia for a long time?
          1. Klos
            Klos 21 January 2016 19: 08
            0
            A gas pipeline is a problem. Money is needed, a project is needed. Money for the project is needed. Have you been in Russia for a long time? Maybe you suggest pulling a branch to Bovanenkovo, having thrown off the whole world? I believe that this should be done by the state. three houses do not ask me.
      3. D. Dan
        D. Dan 21 January 2016 18: 29
        +4
        I have lived all my life in the far North, and believe me, coal just doesn’t heat ordinary huts. Firewood. Coal is certainly better. If the boiler. But not many have a boiler. And the stove - firewood. Otherwise, it will fall apart. From coal, then. And the moves will fade.
        Second, I live in the Komi Republic, imagine there are those who stretch out under the federal program for gasification of the village into SUCH holes where no one lives at all. Funny and wild, but this is also done. There are abandoned houses, the network is down, and the GTS is a stub. Money washed, voila. The gas is brought to the ruins of the house - all the chiki chiki - someone is registered in it, here you go, Vanya and Yuryev day.
        And in my NP, most of the private sector is not gasified ... Gasification is unrealistically expensive, hundreds of thousands. Shame and disgrace to our bureaucrats and robbers for such an approach.
        Gas workers simply do not hesitate to rob people. A locksmith comes to whom they pay $ 20 a month, and makes me "TO" gas stove in half an hour, writes some kind of lampoon on a piece of paper, and once - I’m almost talking about it - and I spend half a day at Russian Railways for such grandmothers! Despite the fact that I myself can sort out any gas appliance on a screw - I am a former housing and communal services locksmith.
        As for the Maidan, you are in vain.
        The Russian people, if someone is not a completely stupid person, have already clearly understood that "Maidan with a Mauser" is, as it were, a risky business.
        But the authorities who spat on the people were reluctant to endure ...
        And you have to.
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 21 January 2016 19: 15
          0
          I know about gas by hearsay. Lived some segment of his life in the village.
          You are right, gas workers and bankers have lost their shores. I had to heat coal. I had a boiler. Now I would use gas-generating equipment.

          But at the same time, to start up trouble in the country in order to change one for the other, in the hope of rapid improvement, I would not. This does not work.
          Only the evolutionary path of development.
          Well, if only there was no war.
          1. Klos
            Klos 21 January 2016 19: 34
            0
            For world peace. :-)
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2016 07: 33
    0
    Before the main base of the gas blackmail disappears, not a little time will pass. And Kiev will use this time to its full advantage. But what to do today to discourage blackmail Russia is a big question.
  10. dr. sem
    dr. sem 21 January 2016 09: 11
    +3
    How much about Hohland? In the news about this 404 everything is there. Maybe at this point you can’t be too lousy and not en ....
  11. Leader
    Leader 21 January 2016 09: 12
    +8
    Quote: kuz363
    And why did Gazprom refuse in 2014 to transfer gas delivery points to the eastern border of Ukraine? Then the head would not hurt about paying for transit or theft of gas. Naturally, for a slightly lower price. This is also supported by the EU.

    Gazprom is smart too. They are endlessly trying to impose on us the idea that "Gazprom is our everything", "a national treasure"! They say that pride should burst every Russian for any actions of Gazprom.
    Yes, all our oligarchs have already shown themselves enough - they will be strangled for a dollar! And do not care for them the needs of Russian citizens, the country's irreplaceable natural wealth and principles.
    There is only one slogan: sell as much and as fast as possible! And take the money either to offshore or to the USA.
    (Just don't whine that Gazprom pays taxes ... 13% for the plundering of irreplaceable natural resources? Why not 95? Doesn't the subsoil belong to the "people"? And what will we leave to the descendants?)
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 21 January 2016 09: 26
      -2
      This is for future Russians. FIG!
      1. Riv
        Riv 21 January 2016 10: 01
        0
        Tajikistan??? Well, it wouldn’t be bad ... You still have access to the sea for Belarus. :)
    2. D. Dan
      D. Dan 21 January 2016 18: 32
      +2
      Well, Gazprom pays about 13%.
      And to call it "national treasure" is the height of cynicism, you are right. YES this is just disgusting ... FAS correctly pressed them.
  12. Belousov
    Belousov 21 January 2016 09: 25
    +2
    Well, how many have already "understood and forgiven"? Something has changed? No. But all the same, we will continue to "understand and forgive". We have another 15% of the country not supplied with gas, but we will supply gas to the Ruin anyway am
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 21 January 2016 10: 52
      0
      Quote: Belousov
      but we will supply gas to Ruin anyway

      So there’s simply no other way out. You can’t take and twist the faucet, as in a water supply system. You can’t take a cork and plug the well.
  13. Electrical
    Electrical 21 January 2016 09: 49
    +3
    Quote: Belousov
    We have another 15% of the country not gasified

    15% of where is the figure? 60% of the bolas really look like, here I live in Siberia where Gazprom is at every step, 5% are connected to gas in the city, 10-15% in rural areas, from where 15%? Do we have at least half of the country without Russian gas, or 15% of Moscow time?
    1. Riv
      Riv 21 January 2016 10: 03
      -5
      Strange ... In our city, 100% of the houses are gasified. Probably 50 percent in the nearest villages. Even in horticulture there is gas, because a gas station is nearby.
      Have you been to Russia for a long time?
      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 21 January 2016 12: 56
        +1
        Where are you at? What city?
        Have you left your area for a long time?
        Or is your city with 100% gasification all Broken?
        1. Riv
          Riv 21 January 2016 14: 25
          0
          Why are you interested in?
          Small town, province. District center. Not all of Russia, but quite typical. In the late 90s, CHP plants were converted to gas.
          In general, there would be a desire and financial opportunities, and gas supply is not a problem. And for those who are too lazy to tear their ass from the stove, they’ll have to drown the woods all their lives.
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 21 January 2016 15: 24
            +1
            Quote: Riv
            and financial opportunities

            to myself and answered! namely, in the current environment it
            Quote: Riv
            desire

            almost not real!
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 21 January 2016 15: 21
        +2
        interesting, and where do you specifically live, if you give such numbers? interesting, and HOW MUCH does it cost to make a project and make a connection in your region? here, in the Bashkir region, from 150 sput, and if you need to pull a pipe from a kilometer, then all half a million ... and where is the money, Zin? take a loan? well then I'm Ivan the eccentric with the letter "M"
        and by the way, are you up to date with the fact that such a city as Togliatti, it seems, is not at all small, NOT GASIFIED, and completely? what
  14. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 21 January 2016 10: 10
    +2
    The Ukrainian authorities are ready to spoil Russia even to the detriment of their own country. It seems that the puppet power does not have another goal.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 21 January 2016 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      The Ukrainian authorities are ready to spoil Russia even to the detriment of their own country. It seems that the puppet power does not have another goal.

      So the junta was brought to power only for this purpose. And talk about "European integration" is a fairy tale for the "people" who willingly "grabbed" them.
  15. Samen
    Samen 21 January 2016 10: 27
    +1
    And I suddenly realized:
    there is a reason to visit Stockholm "for free" ...
    Demchishin - sly pepper!
    After all, travel is free ...
  16. Klos
    Klos 21 January 2016 10: 42
    0
    Quote: Riv
    You, my friend, have you been to Russia for a long time?
    And I didn’t leave anywhere. And I’m not going to leave
  17. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 21 January 2016 11: 16
    +1
    There is gas, for example, the price is 4700 per thousand cubic meters. There is a mine. But it is not profitable to take gas from it. And it’s profitable to buy in interregiongas. A PIPE TO THE GRS AND FURTHER TO THE VILLAGE IS LOCATED FROM THE PIPELINE IN THE USSR. If you take from the field, the huckster dealers how they will live.
  18. poma
    poma 21 January 2016 12: 59
    0
    Dill.ct.an makes us. And there is no need to play "brotherly people". Traitors and prostitutes are not my brothers.
  19. Klos
    Klos 21 January 2016 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: Riv

    In general, there would be a desire and financial opportunities, and gas supply is not a problem. And for those who are too lazy to tear their ass from the stove, they’ll have to drown the woods all their lives.

    The fact of the matter is that the population has a desire, but there is no way to conduct gas. Do you think that only lazy people heat stoves with wood?)))
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 January 2016 15: 26
    0
    Time moves bitchily
    Over the valleys, over the mountains.
    It's too late for lilacs.
    It's too early for jasmine.
    Waving sky road
    With illusory gifts.
    It's too late for deception.
    It’s too early for reckoning.
  21. Geophizik
    Geophizik 21 January 2016 17: 20
    +2
    It is impossible to isolate the Russian component from the Ukrainian economy - that is why any measures against the arrogance of the junta are being hit by a boomerang in Russia as well. That is why we have to not only endure, but also forgive, compensate, help ... etc. etc. Russophobic regime. So far, we believe that all this is well calculated, but this belief is endless - there are serious grounds for suspicion of an unclean game of the Russian oligarchy, as it was during the Chechen wars.
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