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OPK develops equipment that will be guaranteed free from "spyware"

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"The combined instrument making corporation" started the development of computer technology on the basis of the Russian 8-core processor that will replace their foreign counterparts, which do not guarantee the absence of the so-called spyware bookmarks transfers RIA News message of the press service of the enterprise.




“The new generation of chips is based on modern 28 Nm technical process. Clock frequency "Elbrus-8С" - 1,3 GHz, performance - 250 Gflops. At its base will be set up computer stations, laptops, servers. Developments in the corporation are conducted by the Institute of Electronic Control Machines (INEUM) named after I.S. Brooke ", - explained in the corporation.

“OPK began the development of computing technology based on the new Russian 8-nuclear microprocessor Elbrus-8С. based on advanced chip equipment will replace the foreign samples, which does not guarantee the absence of "spyware bookmarking" and protection against information leaks, "- said in a release.

"We are creating technology for the state and the strategic sectors where acute problems of data security and avoiding insecure foreign decisions, - says Director of the Defense Industry Department of innovation development, Alexander Kalinin. - The microprocessor is the "brain" of computing devices, which in our trusted systems along with the circuitry and software must be Russian. Such a combination ensures that there are no “bookmarks” and “leaks” in the equipment. ”

"Compared to its predecessors the peak performance of the new Russian equipment will grow in 3 5-time bandwidth IO channels - in 8 time", - noted in the corporation.

“In addition to creating traditional computing complexes, larger projects are being worked out. In particular, the performance of servers based on "Elbrus-8S" will allow in the near future to begin construction on their practical based supercomputer, "- said in a statement.

Now the market is supplied with equipment based on the Elbrus microprocessor of the previous generation.

“In particular, last year the corporation handed over the first batch of servers based on Elbrus-4С to the federal executive authorities of the Russian Federation. In addition, in 2015, commissioned by the Federal Security Service (FSS) of Russia on the basis of "Elbrus" complex hardware was created, which will connect into a single secure network channels encrypted document communication of the CIS and Russia ", - reminded the press service.
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  1. dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 January 2016 18: 45 New
    42
    That's good, maybe the protons will stop falling!
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 January 2016 18: 51 New
      -27
      1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.
      However, the question is also in the operating system.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 20 January 2016 18: 59 New
        28
        Quote: Civil
        1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.

        Only there are 2 of them, but here 8. Well, okay.
        1. Nik_One
          Nik_One 20 January 2016 19: 10 New
          56
          Processors are not compared in terms of clock speed and number of cores, but in terms of performance measured in FLOPS.

          And according to this characteristic, the Apple A8, which you have compared, loses.
          1. opus
            opus 20 January 2016 21: 06 New
            23
            Quote: Nik_One
            Processors are not compared by clock frequency and the number of cores,

            frequency is also important


            the inter-core communication controller and the MAU request controller, which transfers requests from each core to the system switch, and the coherent message controller, which analyzes the requests from the switch and transfers them to the necessary kernels .. they are pulled, but if the frequency were comparable to the Intel one, it would "break"


            a server with four Elbrus-4C 700Mhz processors versus a server with an Intel Core i7-2600 processor operating at a frequency of 3400 MHz.


            The most beneficial result turned out to be with encryption according to the GOST algorithm, not without reason it was also developed by our specialists. Here, Elbrus-2S + completed the task 30% faster, despite an almost sevenfold difference in frequency, and Elbrus-4C is almost 2 times faster! That suggests that the effectiveness of domestic architecture on such tasks is almost 9 times better.


            7-zip archiving: Core i7 and Elbrus-2C + frequencies differ at 3400/500 =6,8 times, then the test results only at 33,437 / 6,296= 5,31 timesthat suggests that working at the same frequencythat the Intel processor, "Elbrus" could get around it!
            1. DobryAAH
              DobryAAH 20 January 2016 21: 32 New
              +5
              I understand from the words of the developer that our processor executes a command, say register-to-register transfer, for fewer clock cycles due to excellent structure optimization, therefore it is very productive.
              1. Mister22408
                Mister22408 20 January 2016 22: 54 New
                +1
                and thinking himself. :-)
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 21 January 2016 15: 19 New
                  +2
                  The West bought and Elbrus processor patents in Russia and not vice versa.
                  1. aleksey980
                    aleksey980 23 January 2016 18: 23 New
                    0
                    Did I miss something and Elbrus is purely Russian? Babayan, it seems, sold himself, along with the developed architectures to the Intellectuals. I have not touched this topic for a long time, maybe something has changed?
                    If I understood something wrong then and the rights to architecture remained in Russia, then I am very glad that I was mistaken.
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 25 January 2016 02: 52 New
                      0
                      They sell in parts, and the rights remain with the company ...
              2. opus
                opus 21 January 2016 00: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: Good AAAH
                therefore it is very productive.

                explicit indication of parallel operations to the processor core, while the compiler performs analysis of independence and their planning.

                There is no complex and energy-intensive equipment for ensuring the extraordinary execution of commands used in all modern universal microprocessors.

                In the Elbrus-8C microprocessor, up to 25 operations and 12 64-bit material operations can be launched.
                - Implemented a hardware-software mechanism for asynchronous data pre-pumping into special buffer memory.
                - implemented vector parallelism due to operations on packed data
                - supports parallelism of multiprocessing on shared memory with coherent multi-level cache memories based on unequal access time to shared memory (NUMA).
                integrated memory in the Elbrus architecture
                dynamic compilation and optimization technology (very similar to the Denver microprocessor architecture created by Nvidia)
                -Superscalarity: the ability to execute multiple machine instructions in a single processor cycle by increasing the number of actuators.
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 20 January 2016 22: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: opus
              frequency is also important

              Of course! The smaller it is, the less heat is generated. And performance, if not critical to size, can easily be compensated by an increase in the number of cores. Which was implemented. While we take in quantity. For a qualitative leap-improvement of architecture, you need time, money, research and talented engineers.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 20 January 2016 23: 45 New
                +6
                Quote: GSH-18
                Of course! The smaller it is, the less heat is generated. And performance, if not critical to size, can easily be compensated by an increase in the number of cores. Which was implemented. While we take in quantity. For a qualitative leap-improvement of architecture, you need time, money, research and talented engineers.

                .. important in the first place .. Architecture .. hi .. and quote:
                According to Boris Artashesovich Babayan, chief architect of the Elbrus line of supercomputers, superscalar architecture was invented in the USSR: “In 1978, we made the first superscalar machine, Elbrus-1. Now in the West they make superscalars of only such an architecture. The first superscalar in the West appeared in the 92nd year, ours in the 78th. Moreover, the version of the superscalar that we made is similar to the Pentium Pro, which Intel made in the 95th year. "
                Confirm the historical primacy of Elbrus in America. In the same article from the Microprocessor Report, Keith Diefendorff, developer of Motorola 88110, one of the first Western superscalar processors, writes: “In 1978, almost 15 years earlier than the first Western superscalar processors appeared, a processor was used in Elbrus-1, with the issuance of two instructions per cycle, changing the order of execution of commands, renaming registers and execution by assumption. " Source: http://infoglaz.ru/?p=35771
                .. hi
              2. opus
                opus 21 January 2016 00: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: GSH-18
                Of course! The smaller it is, the less heat

                well yes.
                most heated ALU (Arithmetic and Logic Unit - an element for logical and arithmetic operations)

                ALU can operate at a speed twice the frequency of the processor.


                Heat dissipation always grows with an overestimation of the processor frequency.
                However, heat dissipation decreases with decreasing process technology (65 nm, 32,28,14,10)
                Technical process - the scale of technology that determines semiconductor element dimensionsconstituting the base of internal circuits of the processor. Circuits form interconnected transistors.
                Dimension affects power consumption and heat dissipation

                The Willamette core, made according to the 0.18 micron process technology, has 42 million transistors; Prescott core with 0.09 micron process technology, already has 125 million transistors.
            3. mvg
              mvg 21 January 2016 02: 06 New
              +1
              Opus, you have very incorrectly compared the system. you are comparing a system with a desktop processor, an unknown set of logic and a different number of processors and memory .. Moreover, the GOST encryption algorithm can be specially sharpened for Elbrus, i.e. some operations go on the hardware, not the software level ..
              I didn’t read specifically about the processor architecture, what logic it works on, what memory, data bus, etc., but you need to compare it with Itanium-based platforms or something server-based. 16 GB for a server is a laugh. 1C server for 30-40 users maximum. Bytovuha.
              1. opus
                opus 21 January 2016 16: 15 New
                0
                Quote: mvg
                Opus, you have very incorrectly compared the system.

                I did not compare.
                I do not have an "Elbrus" ..
                Quote: mvg
                Moreover, the GOST encryption algorithm can be specially sharpened for Elbrus, i.e. some operations go on hardware,

                developed ours, yes, but not sharpened
                GOST 28147-89 (Magma) - the Soviet and Russian symmetric encryption standard, introduced in 1990, is also a CIS standard. Full name - “GOST 28147-89 Information Processing Systems. Cryptographic protection. Cryptographic Transformation Algorithm. " Block cipher algorithm. When using the encryption method with gamma, it can perform the functions of a stream cipher algorithm.
                Together with the new Grasshopper algorithm (a symmetric block encryption algorithm with a block size of 128 bits and a key length of 256 bits, the Feistel network is used to generate it) was published as part of the standard GOST R 34.12-2015


                So “Elbrus” he is for us! It is important to us. MO.FAPSI, etc.


                Quote: mvg
                16 GB for a server is a laugh. 1C server for 30-40 users maximum. Bytovuha.

                the number of users tasks solved by the server?

                ETC:writing software on all possible platforms .. the number of virtual machines is about 9, while on 5-6 virtual machines worth mac.
                total number of users 15-20.


                more than enough:
                Board: GA-Z68XP-UD5
                Processor: Intel Core i7-2600K
                Memory: DIMM DDR3 4096MBx2 PC12800 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance LP 9-9-9-24
                4 x Hard Drive WD RE4 WD1003FBYX, 1TB, HDD, SATA II
                Solid State Drive: SSD 2.5 "SATA-3 60Gb Corsair GT [CSSD-F60GBGT-BK] (R555 / W495MB / s) includes 2.5” to 3.5 ”
                PSU: THERMALTAKE Toughpower Grand TPG-850MPCEU, 850W, 140mm, black, retail
                (you can also share)

                "everyday life"?
                1. mvg
                  mvg 21 January 2016 22: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  "everyday life"?


                  Yes, bytovuha .. Z68 + i7, but what do you think? Domestic mother and home percent. This is not 7205 + 2xItanium, on the Intel board and in the HP case and costing 30-40 kilobaxes. And I would do that. Only the screws would have taken others. Not SATA II. 15000 Sigut with SAS interface and separate controller.

                  The OS is on the OSD, 4xHDD in the Ryde, most likely ... 0 + 1, but it is not clear why. Enough "mirrors" if for data. PSU is not necessary to share ... one Core eats at 140 watts ...
                  That all 9 virtualoks simultaneously plow? I don’t know why you need Macs, I only encounter at school ... 2x4 GB of memory is not enough ... You are saved by the fact that SSD is fast .. swapping is not slow .. and I don’t know the parameters of your virtual machines. Maybe they are all “children’s”, they don’t do anything .. I also had a gateway on Penrium III, 1100 MHz toilet, and 815 chipset. Ubuntu + Kerio.

                  Do you write software? And on 1C?
                  Py.Sy .: It's nice to talk. And be sure to get Elbrus at home :-) For a child, cutting into tetris ..
                  1. opus
                    opus 22 January 2016 00: 59 New
                    -1
                    Quote: mvg
                    Yes, bytovuha .. Z68 + i7, but what do you think?

                    Just have goals / objectives and have a budget. It's a vicious circle.
                    There are different tasks
                    At the Japanese research institute, RIKEN reproduced 1 second of real human brain activity in real time. lol To achieve this, engineers needed 82 microprocessors.
                    1,73 billion virtual neurons, 10,4 trillion synapses interconnected, took part in the simulation, and all this was launched on the Japanese supercomputer K Supercomputer, which became the most powerful computer in the world in 2011. To simulate just 1 second of brain activity, a 10-petaflop / s supercomputer took 40 minutes of computing time.

                    K Supercomputer's peak power is 10,51 petaflops / s, SPARC processors with a total number of cores of 705 are installed inside it.
                    Z68 + i7 - if you do not strain enough. And I repeat: it wasn’t me comparing. I just brought
                    Quote: mvg
                    Do you write software? And on 1C?

                    I gave an example of acquaintances from whom I “earn extra money” and dabble in leisure.
                    x64 1s 8.2-8.3 they
                    + they need to use a virtually unlimited address space allocated to the workflow.
                    MAC is the same for something ..
                    Quote: mvg
                    Nice to talk to. And be sure to get Elbrus at home :-) For a child, cutting into tetris ..

                    + and me.
                    I won’t start, because of limited funds now and an overabundance of computing power (I think how to get Vento 3600 to mom for Skype)

                    My children can not be carried away with tetris request
                    PS: At SM-4 I did both a TNA student and a diploma in "blowing layer after ledge in criticism" .. I’m used to
                    1. mvg
                      mvg 22 January 2016 20: 50 New
                      0
                      I did not find SM-4. He played the "worm" on SM-2M, in early childhood ..
                      SPARC, if I am not mistaken, this is not a process - this is architecture. Oracle loved these RISC processes.
                      In the photo with Elbrus, it can be seen that the percent is “soldered” on the board, i.e. without an upgrade, plus 12 DIMM connectors, total is the server “mother”, and the source that compared the FCPGA 1150 Core i7 + Z68 with such palmistry ... a little wrong (((
                      I really respect Intel, but let's say Power CPUs were at least as good. And there are AMD and Citrix (were).
                      So I understand that in Russia there is no technology to make a silicon matrix, neither 0.22 nor 0.28, and 0.128 is not there either .. and Elbrus is being made in Taiwan ... Wouldn’t it be easier to buy a ready-made company? Possessing such technology? AMD will not be sold, but you can purchase a filial thread producing RISC or MISC proces for gadgets ..
                      Py.Sy .: Otherwise, you can not "catch up" with the adversaries.
                      Py.Sy .: Mom just a tablet. Sorry for the advice .. You don’t need any Asus Vento .. Vento sounds good when it is paired with VW Vento ...
                      1. opus
                        opus 27 January 2016 18: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: mvg
                        So wouldn’t it be easier to buy (ready-made :-)) a ready-made company?

                        What am I talking about?
                        I have been saying for 7 years: what kind of Stab fund is in the US Federal Reserve Depository Receipts (now at 0,25-YEAR ANNUAL)?
                        Kipi is the most modern oil refinery, build and drive chemistry (not petrol-trifle) chemistry in the world. The best.
                        Like Turkey (No. 2 in Europe, like KSA)

                        The same with percent.
                        Quote: mvg
                        Py.Sy .: Mom just a tablet. Sorry for the advice .. You don’t need any Asus Vento .. Vento sounds good when it is paired with VW Vento ...

                        there is a tablet. Does not like /
                        A Vento 3600 from ASUS is so mysterious ..
                        monoproces 3,4 GHz, DDR-3 2 GB and so on.


                        VW Vento- "sounded"
            4. rJIiOK
              rJIiOK 23 January 2016 12: 12 New
              +1
              Not cache, but cache is more competent. Just a note.
              Related +
              At AMD, 8 processors with a higher frequency can easily lose intel to the 4 core with a lower frequency.
              In the age of multicore, frequency has a smaller role than the number of cores.
              And even the number of cores does not give an advantage over the 1 core, if the program is not designed for multicore, or the processor itself does not parallelize the threads to all cores.
              1. opus
                opus 27 January 2016 19: 07 New
                0
                Quote: rJIiOK
                Not cache, but cache is more competent. Just a note.

                repeat
                Quote: opus
                I did not compare. I do not have "Elbrus" ..


                Quote: rJIiOK
                AMD has 8 core processors

                Yes Yes Yes..
                ABC

                I just don’t understand what are you comparing?

                AMD FX-6300
                Clock frequency 3500 MHz
                5200 MHz data bus frequency
                The number of cores 6
                The amount of cache memory level 1 3 x 64 KB
                The amount of cache memory level 2 6 MB
                Intel Core i5-4690K
                Clock frequency 3500 MHz
                Data Bus Frequency 5 GT / s
                The number of cores 4
                The amount of cache memory level 1 4 x 32 KB
                4 x 32 KB
                Do not forget about 32 nm process technology versus 28 nm and architecture
                Quote: rJIiOK
                In the age of multicore, frequency has a smaller role, than the number of cores.
                contradict yourself
                Quote: rJIiOK
                AMD has processors 8nuclear with a higher frequency can easily lose intellect 4-core with a low frequency.


                Quote: rJIiOK
                the processor itself does not parallelize threads across all cores.

                Hyper-threading is possible on ONE core - TWO logical

                -----------
                Tegra K-1 on two Denver cores 64 bits and 192 CUDA cores of the Kepler graphics subsystem (which allows you to process seven instructions in one clock cycle, as well as save the most frequently used sections of program code in a 128 MB buffer. This process is called Dynamic Code Optimization. Each of two cores includes 128 KB 4-way L1 instruction cache, 64 KB 4-way L1 data cache, and 2 MB 16-way L2 cache) just smack Apple A7 or Celeron 2955U / Haswell .. and in some ways full Intel
          2. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 04: 36 New
            0
            Oh, it would not be as always, but wisely for civilian use. That would not be Kaklovsky, but you could use yours everyday.
        2. iConst
          iConst 20 January 2016 21: 58 New
          +9
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          Quote: Civil
          1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.

          Only there are 2 of them, but here 8. Well, okay.
          - In fact, in tablets and smartphones are SoC based on RISC processors.
          And this "traditional" on home-grown architecture.

          So, if we compare the iPhone (pah, Bisova Tsatska), then with the Baikal-T1 processor.

          And so - compare the minicar (SoC iPhone) with a dump truck (Elbrus). laughing
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 20 January 2016 23: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: iConst
            And so - compare the minicar (SoC iPhone) with a dump truck (Elbrus).

            .. I do not always agree with your opinion on other issues, but here only + .. hi
      2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
        Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 January 2016 19: 02 New
        -18
        Grazhlansky-operating system will be called "iPhone Dima1" !!!
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 January 2016 06: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
          Grazhlansky-operating system will be called "iPhone Dima1" !!!

          So, I wanted to throw shit out of habit at Dima, but it didn’t work out - sadness? smile
      3. Leviton
        Leviton 20 January 2016 19: 02 New
        16
        1,3 GHz is not an indicator, but the performance is 250 Gflops, it’s already ... here you need to understand how this processor receives data in its core .. Intel i7 4770: 16 * 4 * 3900 MHz = 249.6 Gflops (peak dual accuracy) so that the presence of mandatory "Radiation" from the programmer is not an indicator of processor coolness
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 20 January 2016 19: 10 New
          14
          Just do not tell the bourgeoisie his price, shoot yourself lol
          1. Nik_One
            Nik_One 20 January 2016 19: 20 New
            13
            Quote: Strezhevchanin
            Just do not tell the bourgeoisie his price, shoot yourself

            In fact, this is not cheap, due to limited production. The larger the batch, the lower the unit price.
            1. Blondy
              Blondy 20 January 2016 20: 54 New
              +6
              Quote: Nik_One
              Quote: Strezhevchanin
              Just do not tell the bourgeoisie his price, shoot yourself
              In fact, this is not cheap, due to limited production. The larger the batch, the lower the unit price.


              Here, it is necessary to take into account the factor of change in the weather situation (economic). If earlier the oil industry could feed the defense industry, and the people didn’t really care about the price / quality ratio, then after reducing the share of the breadwinner’s profit by 25 times, the defense’s requests were met at current exorbitant prices (400 XNUMX rubles for wood on Baikal, as indicated in a recently published material ) will already affect the provision of disabled people with medicines or the indexation of pensions of old women-pioneers. In the budget, competitive relations have already reached peak loads: either this or that.

              What is modestly silent in this materially reporting on domestic goods that these same Elbrus have been produced at the TSMC factory in Taiwan since 2008 for detachable currency, and that our valiant Chubaisovsky Rusnano with big money somehow turned out to be impotent with the launch of domestic production.
              1. hrych
                hrych 20 January 2016 23: 33 New
                +7
                We are watching the program “Golden Rush” on Discovery, as valiant thugs destroy the relict forests of Alaska for a few kilograms of gold, raking the soil and turning everything into dumps of gravel, quarries filled with mud, etc. So there are all the motor vehicles in the form of trucks and excavators of the Swedish company Volvo and it’s while the American concerns Ford, GM and Chrysler are in a complete crisis, that America’s automobile capital Detroit has turned from a nearly two-million-strong metropolis into a 600 thousandth city with blocks of empty buildings and crowds of homeless people African American orientation. Well, the Swedes are making more reliable special equipment and what, and in the homes of Americans, TV sets are entirely Japanese firms such as Sony. No one is soared about this, such a global world nowadays. But it’s worth the Russians to order the specified processor from the largest contract manufacturer of semiconductor chips. Then the hype begins, I recall the red-headed bastard, who had long been removed directly from power, and held in an honorable position, as an ambassador or watching Russia from the backstage in the form of a Beleberdyansky club. What difference does it make where it will be riveted, the main thing is that our special equipment gets normal brains. Yes, and its cost should not be exaggerated, it is very penny and the quantity is limited because the equipment it is equipped with is not in the volume of household appliances. Here, another factor of time plays, they developed and immediately began to rivet the one who does it quickly. We’ll definitely build a factory, or rather, most likely have already completed it, but it’s already necessary to poke it into the equipment and wait for the end of the launch of the production line.
                1. Blondy
                  Blondy 21 January 2016 04: 21 New
                  +4
                  Quote: hrych
                  But it’s worth the Russians to order the specified processor from the largest contract manufacturer of semiconductor chips. Then the hype begins, I recall the red-headed bastard, who had long been removed directly from power, and held in an honorable position, as an ambassador or watching Russia from the backstage in the form of a Beleberdyansky club. What difference does it make where it will be riveted, the main thing is that our special equipment gets normal brains. Yes, and its cost should not be exaggerated, it is very penny and the quantity is limited because the equipment it is equipped with is not in the volume of household appliances.


                  Well, of course, the excitement, only, for some reason the president is heading it with his import substitution policy. Yes, not “for some reason”, but probably, nevertheless, it takes into account the “special attitude” of the “civilized world” to Russia. Recall in this context about the non-election in Taiwan, where the pro-China Kuomintang fanned the pro-American opposition. And if there is “nothing else”, then the TSMC plant producing Russian processors can easily shut off oxygen at the “request” of one regional committee, like France with the sale of the Mistrals. And how will we develop advanced secure electronics?

                  The second question is if the price of the components is cheap, why do we observe its astronomical take-off during the domestic assembly of simple servers (I'm talking about "Baikals") from the beginning of the 400s? For XNUMX thousand without getting up from the couch you can buy a very sophisticated gaming computer of the latest generation of the same Taiwanese production.

                  Well, and the third - I will not remember how in the late 80s - early 90s, the Chinese were buying up Russian household electric equipment at the root. But after all, Rusnano began, one might say, simultaneously with the Chinese - we compare the results and feel the difference.

                  And all this is ultimately at the expense of the people, and the people must endure a lack of medicines for the disabled, and tears of retired grandmothers racking their brains as they live on a meager pension.
              2. msm
                msm 23 January 2016 10: 24 New
                +1
                these same Elbrus since 2008 are produced at the TSMC factory in Taiwan

                If made in Thailand, then why can't they have “bookmarks”?
          2. Mister22408
            Mister22408 20 January 2016 22: 55 New
            0
            even in Singapore? ...
      4. opus
        opus 20 January 2016 19: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.

        1,8 already
        It is necessary to compare skillfully




        E8S has 30 operations per cycle;


        that's what 14nm FinFET process technology (with 1/2 2015 TSMC masters 10nM) yes LPDDR4-3200 with 128 bit bus width .. yes
        Yes, the built-in GPU PowerVR is amazing
      5. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 20 January 2016 19: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        However, the question is also in the operating system.

        The hardware part interacts with the operating system through its own BIOS microcode. It can work with Linux, FreeBSD, QNX, Windows XP distributions, but for critical applications, the Elbrus OS based on the Linux 2.6.33 kernel is recommended. The ICST team has done a great job of creating a real-time OS with its own interrupt processing, synchronization, memory management and tagged computing support mechanisms. All this is aimed at revealing the potential of the architecture of the domestic processor and protection against common exploits.
      6. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 20 January 2016 19: 45 New
        +6
        Firstly: the processors of classical architecture execute commands sequentially, and Elbrus has up to 32 threads in parallel ... Plus, this is the frequency per core ... In the same i7 2.2GHz, but execution is sequential ... In some aspects, Elbrus will simply break Intel but not in games and other things, for it’s purely working hardware ... I think in 10 years Elbrus will enter the civilian market with household iron ...
        1. Denis Skiff
          Denis Skiff 20 January 2016 20: 09 New
          0
          details, please? interesting.
        2. opus
          opus 20 January 2016 20: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          I think in 10 years Elbrus will enter the civilian market with household iron ...

          before!
          1. Development work "Development of a 64-bit microprocessor withbuilt-in graphics and performance of more than 24 Gflops"

          2. COMPLETED: R-1000M universal quad-core microprocessor with low power consumption and a computing module based on it.

          3. Wearable terminal NT-MTsST4R (completed)

          4.Baikal-T1 (completed)

          Claim to be the world's first implementation of the MIPS Warrior P-Class P5600 core. The chip was developed in Russia using a licensed processor core unit from Imagination Technologies. The processor is manufactured according to the 28 nm manufacturing process, has two processor cores operating at a frequency of up to 1,2 GHz.
      7. major124
        major124 20 January 2016 20: 54 New
        -10
        And I have 3,5 GHz and 8 cores .... And why is Elbrus better?
        1. Mister22408
          Mister22408 20 January 2016 22: 58 New
          0
          If there was a sub, allowing to replace any failed at any moment of time ... or the alignment of the task with double duplication ...
      8. Rossiyanin
        Rossiyanin 20 January 2016 21: 20 New
        +1
        Linux ....
      9. GSH-18
        GSH-18 20 January 2016 23: 25 New
        +1
        All this is good. The question is WHERE WILL THIS PERSPECTIVE PROCESSOR BE PRODUCED? Hopefully not in China?
        1. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 04: 44 New
          +1
          here it is, and if that is so, then this is sadness
      10. just exp
        just exp 21 January 2016 00: 51 New
        +2
        compare arm with spark, this is original.
        you would have compared a mototachanka with a belaz, well, why, both there and there is an engine.
      11. Azitral
        Azitral 21 January 2016 02: 14 New
        +1
        Nobody talked about competition. it's about a certain amount of independence. And dashing trouble is the beginning. The pace is impressive. Even the "almost the same" processor, where most of the technical solutions are known, has to be developed from scratch.
      12. derik1970
        derik1970 21 January 2016 07: 12 New
        0
        My friend, patriots will throw you hats, you’ll get rich in opening a hat store :-) ... For some reason, few people can think adequately, unfortunately. Apparently affected by the narrowness of thinking, or just all the visitors from one office! hi
      13. rJIiOK
        rJIiOK 23 January 2016 12: 05 New
        +1
        Poson, everything is gone, turn off the production of Elbrus !!
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    2. vlad66
      vlad66 20 January 2016 18: 51 New
      23
      Yes, it was necessary to develop and implement it 20 years ago, but it's better late than never.
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 20 January 2016 18: 56 New
      32
      It may not be so aesthetically pleasing (sensory, etc.), but you won’t miss a finger and the button will not close ...

      Everything should be reliable, like a t-34 and a Kalashnikov assault rifle!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 20 January 2016 20: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        It’s not so aesthetically pleasing (sensory, etc.), but you won’t miss a finger

        This is a photo of the front panel of the Vyatka automatic washing machine?
        1. kagorta
          kagorta 20 January 2016 20: 40 New
          15
          Not this "eraser" machine, it erases entire cities. wink
          1. Mister22408
            Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 02 New
            0
            That you w0, and how not to be able to use it?
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 21 January 2016 00: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: MIKHAN
          It’s not so aesthetically pleasing (sensory, etc.), but you won’t miss a finger

          This is a photo of the front panel of the Vyatka automatic washing machine?

          And here in Russia everything is always simple, so that any conscript can understand and press if he is left alive at the point (he will call mom ..))))! bully
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 00 New
        0
        Do you have it with a dentist?
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 20 January 2016 23: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Everything should be reliable, like a t-34 and a Kalashnikov assault rifle!

        I fully agree with this thesis. Enough with us Chinese "quality"!
        For special communications, security officials and other responsible electronic state systems, you must have world-class equipment of your own production and the highest reliability!
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    4. derik1970
      derik1970 21 January 2016 07: 25 New
      0
      At one of the enterprises for the production of rocket engines, to reduce personnel, two mutually exclusive specialties were interchanged when checking the product, as a result, we get what we have. Salaries are small for workers and engineers, people are looking for a part-time job, so this is not about quality. Managers from finance have tried. (An article about this was on the site) What else will screw up with processors is another question. Technology frankly junk, happy that its. The processor strapping will be like drinking from Chinese pieces of iron, you haven’t learned how to do it, a lot of helpers in our country will cut the loot like Chubais ... You can start throwing "gentlemen" caps, the adequacy is not your role ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 21 January 2016 11: 14 New
        +1
        You can start throwing slaps "gentlemen", the adequacy is not your role ...
        And what is so categorical, and even all the gentlemen-forum users under one comb? Somehow incorrect ...
      2. mahor
        mahor 23 January 2016 12: 41 New
        0
        Quote: derik1970
        At one of the enterprises for the production of rocket engines, to reduce personnel, two mutually exclusive specialties were interchanged when checking the product, as a result, we get what we have. Salaries are small for workers and engineers, people are looking for a part-time job, so this is not about quality. Managers from finance have tried. (An article about this was on the site) What else will screw up with processors is another question. Technology frankly junk, happy that its. The processor strapping will be like drinking from Chinese pieces of iron, you haven’t learned how to do it, a lot of helpers in our country will cut the loot like Chubais ... You can start throwing "gentlemen" caps, the adequacy is not your role ...



        The funny thing is that Elbrus is made on the basis of technology and a SUN license. bully .. again the mattresses have inherited ... drinks
    5. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 21 January 2016 10: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: dr.star75
      That's good, maybe the protons will stop falling!



      And where does the processor? Then they fall from poor assembly.
    6. Centurionix
      Centurionix 21 January 2016 12: 44 New
      0
      The x86 and ARM architecture are different. Roughly speaking, iPhone 1.4 should be divided by 4.
  2. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 20 January 2016 18: 46 New
    14
    Better late than never. The need is long overdue.
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 20 January 2016 18: 54 New
      +9
      Everything is fine, of course, only it needs to be done not only for the defense industry, but also to be implemented in civilian areas, in PCs and communication systems. This will replace imports and lower prices. And then these devices are quite significant.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 20 January 2016 19: 11 New
        +4
        This is the case when saving comes sideways.
      2. adept666
        adept666 20 January 2016 20: 08 New
        -1
        Everything is fine, of course, only it needs to be done not only for the defense industry, but also to be implemented in civilian areas
        Yes, even you can already buy at least a staff, at least a server officially on the ICST site can make an order. True, the price is not there because it can scare a little (~ 400k), but nevertheless, anyone can buy it (moreover, it seems like they will give you an axis as a gift and software development tools, although I’m not sure about the latter smile )
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 20 January 2016 23: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Nik_One
        needs to be done not only for the defense industry, but also to be implemented in civilian areas, in PCs and communication systems

        Right. But this will probably happen a little later. First, they will provide the most in needful areas of the national economy. But the requirements for civilian prosiki are somewhat different than for the military. Reliability is not so important there, but very stringent requirements for size, power, heat and performance. In general, these are completely different processors ...
      4. opus
        opus 21 January 2016 01: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Nik_One
        Defense industry, but also introduce into civilian spheres,

        Baikal-T1 purely for the civilian market (for network equipment and automation systems)


        Baikal Electronics prefers to use ready-made processor cores: the company has agreements with both Imagination and ARM Holdings. (T1 on MIPS P5600 core)

        They want to introduce processors for PC and mobile devices.
        =========================
        once there was a microprocessor KR1810VM86, a Soviet analog of Intel 8086
        1. mvg
          mvg 21 January 2016 02: 55 New
          0
          Zeyks Spectrum lol
        2. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 04: 53 New
          +2
          I remembered an old joke, maybe from my life: "When our space shuttle was ready to fly, the question arose about its name, there were several options, including Lake Baikal. The commission was afraid, as the name had to show off on board the ship, at entry overloads into the atmosphere, some letters could, say, be damaged, and then respected, - TIRE or God forbid KAL, agreed that BURAN is more aesthetic. "
        3. mahor
          mahor 23 January 2016 12: 43 New
          0
          once there was a microprocessor KR1810VM86, a Soviet analog of Intel 8086

          That is, torn and stolen .... wassat
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 20 January 2016 18: 47 New
    10
    It's time to create your own operating system ..
    1. gleb0606
      gleb0606 20 January 2016 19: 29 New
      +1
      Why? There is non-commercial Linux on the basis of a modification of one of the shells of which computers with Elbrus will work
    2. alexander 2
      alexander 2 20 January 2016 19: 37 New
      14
      Moreover, in Russian, but with translation. And in general, the Russian language must be promoted so that over time it replaces English.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 20 January 2016 20: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander 2
        Russian must be promoted so that over time it replaces English.

        Dear, do not worry, Comrade Stalin said that we have no irreplaceable people, and everything is decided by the personnel!
        1. Mister22408
          Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 04 New
          -2
          tell the Jews now about the education of M16 carriers
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 21 January 2016 07: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander 2
        And in Russian

        this is to 1C :-)
    3. epsilon571
      epsilon571 20 January 2016 19: 41 New
      +3
      dmi.pris (3) RU Today
      It's time to create your own operating system ..


      And it was created long ago - the Elbrus operating system is based on the Linux kernel in version 2.6.33, but there is evidence that it is planned to upgrade the corresponding OS component to version 3.10. Like other common user operating systems, Elbrus OS can provide multi-tasking PC operation mode. Specially for this OS, the concepts of managing software processes, interrupts, synchronization, etc. were developed. In order to optimize the Linux kernel for the tasks of the Elbrus computing systems, the standard library responsible for computational flows, libpthread, was changed. Instead, OS developers created the elpthread library.

      The Elbrus operating system also includes the following useful modules:
      - the command line, which allows the user to work with the computing complex using text commands and interact in an appropriate way with various applications;
      - tools for complex archiving of files in order to improve the convenience of their transfer or storage;
      - set of development tools: compilers, link editors, debuggers, assemblers, editors, compilers, various libraries, documentation tools, etc.
      Among the key OS libraries is Glibe, which is also used on other Linux-based OSs. These are general information about the operating system of MVK Elbrus.
      It should be noted that this OS is largely designed for use by military structures, so it is difficult to find it in general access, like other Linux distributions.
      1. rom8726
        rom8726 20 January 2016 20: 51 New
        +1
        Especially for this OS, concepts for managing software processes, interrupts, synchronization, etc., have been developed.

        as if the GNU / Linux OS is doing this, there’s no need to invent anything, it’s all already inside, honed and tested by thousands of programmers around the world. however correct thought, i.e. this is not ours now invented. Isn't Denis Popov a developer? laughing http://lurkmore.to/Денис_Попов
      2. opus
        opus 20 January 2016 20: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: epsilon571
        The Elbrus operating system is based on the Linux kernel in version 2.6.33, ... it is planned to upgrade the corresponding OS component to version 3.10

        Version 4.3 right away?
        (On November 2, 2105, Linus Torvalds announced the release of the Linux 4.3 kernel)

        Now passes certification Elbrus OS based on Linux 2.6.33

        OS on Linux 2.6.33.1 at the final stage of OCD


        in fact, they have OCD: Development of a distribution based on Debian Lenny 5.0.9 for computers based on the domestic Elbrus architecture, for computers with a domestic implementation of the SPARC architecture and for computers based on the x86 architecture

        --------------------------------
        For now:
        OS_E90 based on the Solaris 2.5.1 operating system - from the general software (OPO) TVGI.00330-01 VK Elbrus-90mikro;
        Elbrus OS TVGI.00316-10 based on Linux 2.6.14 (part of the OPO TVGI.00311-05). This system continues to evolve. Currently, Elbrus OS is being certified based on Linux 2.6.33.
        BOTH have certificates of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the second level of control of the absence of undeclared capabilities and the second class of protection against unauthorized access.


        To ensure the operation of existing applications on the Elbrus processor, a binary translation mechanism is used (its other name is “bit compiler”). It exists in two versions: system level and application level. The first of them starts working immediately after turning on the power, loading a compact translator stored in a flash memory chip located on the system board into the memory. At the same time, for all programs downloaded later, including the OS, the processor becomes indistinguishable from any x86-compatible processor, allowing you to run at least Windows, even Mac OS, even Linux, or any other operating system, such as exotic, such as a Hummingbird OS, or IBM OS / 2.

  4. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 20 January 2016 18: 47 New
    +6
    A matter of utmost urgency.
  5. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 20 January 2016 18: 48 New
    +4
    We create equipment for the state and strategic industries, where there are acute problems of data protection and avoiding unsafe foreign solutions,
    There is potential and it pleases. Its electronics are both defense industry and industry. Main thing. And if the best is the class.
  6. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 18: 49 New
    +5
    And what about DSP, memory and other element base?
    1. nihrutka
      nihrutka 20 January 2016 18: 54 New
      +3
      It’s also like on our base.
      1. Terner38
        Terner38 20 January 2016 19: 14 New
        +5
        At one time - in the distant 95m I collected ABM PC 286 on my knee. So then RAM in ONE MEGABYTE! was on domestic chips (8pcs) and easily inserted into a foreign motherboard!
        1. mahor
          mahor 23 January 2016 12: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Terner38
          At one time - in the distant 95m I collected ABM PC 286 on my knee. So then RAM in ONE MEGABYTE! was on domestic chips (8pcs) and easily inserted into a foreign motherboard!


          This is because this memory was stripped from the Westerners one to one ... drinks
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 05 New
        0
        and a hundred-watt soldering iron with grounding? Singapore.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 18: 50 New
    +9
    Well, men, God help you!
    But we don’t have to use our brains, and so we lend to all who have no people.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 January 2016 18: 52 New
    +5
    The processor is the main thing. The rest of the element base will also follow. Everything has its time.
    1. opus
      opus 20 January 2016 19: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The processor is the main thing. The rest of the element base will also follow.

      Development work "Development of the KPI-2 peripheral interface controller microcircuit for multi-core microprocessors with the Elbrus architecture with a total input / output bandwidth of at least 16 GB / s."
      Estimated name: KPI-2
    2. Hey
      Hey 20 January 2016 21: 38 New
      0
      The processor is the main thing. The rest of the element base will also follow.


      Let me disagree with you. If the rest of the element base does not allow the information processed by the processor to pass through, then the whole system loses its meaning.
      It's like a pump and a pipe, if the pump is able to give 1000 liters. and the pipe passes only 200. Put at least 2 more pumps at the output there will be only 200.
    3. Mister22408
      Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 07 New
      0
      From the point of view of procyk - the readable family is the main thing, here is the current of the power supply ... :-)
  9. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 18: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: nihrutka
    It’s also like on our base.


    Can you give an example of the dual-core processors or plysins of our production? And banal resistors and capacitors, diodes?
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 20 January 2016 19: 29 New
      +8
      NPO ERKON OJSC (formerly Orbita Plant), Nizhny Novgorod -
      leading manufacturer of resistors in Russia.
      Kuznetsk Capacitor Plant is the largest manufacturer of capacitors.
      Optron-Stavropol JSC is the oldest enterprise producing power semiconductor devices.
      OJSC "Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant-Assembly" - FPGA chips.
      Yes, there is everything, they need help from the state ... Or, at least they didn’t touch it, they didn’t stifle taxes ...
      1. PKTRL
        PKTRL 20 January 2016 20: 45 New
        +1

        KVIRTU UA  Today, 19:29 ↑


        NPO ERKON OJSC (formerly Orbita Plant), Nizhny Novgorod -
        leading manufacturer of resistors in Russia.
        Kuznetsk Capacitor Plant is the largest manufacturer of capacitors.
        Optron-Stavropol JSC is the oldest enterprise producing power semiconductor devices.
        OJSC "Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant-Assembly" - FPGA chips.
        Yes, there is everything, they need help from the state ... Or, at least they didn’t touch it, they didn’t stifle taxes ...


        I support you, with hope and heartache!
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  10. tol100v
    tol100v 20 January 2016 19: 00 New
    +2
    So for Russia or for the CIS countries? It’s not the first time we are stepping on a rake. What the CIS knows, "Potential Partners" will soon find out! It seems that for communication with the CIS, field communications are enough!
  11. atamankko
    atamankko 20 January 2016 19: 00 New
    +4
    So gradually we will abandon the "partners".
    1. aba
      aba 20 January 2016 22: 15 New
      +1
      And you need to start with the exit from the WTO
  12. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 20 January 2016 19: 02 New
    +4
    Well, in the processors, we are creating something, but what about hard drives, RAM, SSDs, video cards in those areas, at least something is being created?
    1. mahor
      mahor 23 January 2016 12: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Well, in the processors, we are creating something, but what about hard drives, RAM, SSDs, video cards in those areas, at least something is being created?



      Hard drives, memory - these are technologies at the space level. Big investments are needed. And the task of the Martians is to rip us off as sticky and further! wink
  13. raid14
    raid14 20 January 2016 19: 02 New
    +5
    The transition to our own technology for the production of processors is a necessary thing, especially taking into account sanctions and import substitution.
    It does not matter that our technological lag in nm by an average of 5-6 years, catch up.
    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is scheduled for 10 according to 2015 nm standards, and serial - for 2016
  14. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 19: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The processor is the main thing. The rest of the element base will also follow. Everything has its time.


    Yes? Why? There is such a nomenclature size that horseradish with two. This is not one percent to gash. Let it be complicated. For everything else, the industry needs to be revived. Find markets for her. And there China reigns supreme. Everything is much more complicated than it seems.
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 20 January 2016 19: 31 New
      +2
      No one says it's easy. Everything you need to create yourself: hard drives, RAM, solid state drives, video cards and much more. And not only in electronics. But better late than never. To begin with, to revive research, at least as in the USSR. Then: bringing inventions to "metal." And finally turn it into mass production, which has always been a weak point.
      1. Dryulea
        Dryulea 20 January 2016 20: 19 New
        +2
        We also need to make efforts to return our brains from behind the hillock, which work in the same Intel (such as the late Pentkovsky, who developed the Pentium based on Elbrus, in the development of which he took part)
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 20 January 2016 21: 21 New
      +2
      The article is entitled

      OPK develops equipment that will be guaranteed free from "spyware"

      And you are talking about capacitor resistors. In the resistor (and in the capacitor too) to put a "bookmark" .. it is difficult what

      Not IMHO yes
  15. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 January 2016 19: 05 New
    +1
    No, well, really .... (checkmate)! And who used to get in the way? Or they waited until the cancer on the mountain hangs, and someone beat the cancer on the lips and sentenced "Do not whistle, cursed" ...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 20 January 2016 19: 11 New
      +3
      And who used to prevent the army from rearming, the money was rampant.
    2. Nik_One
      Nik_One 20 January 2016 19: 14 New
      +5
      Prevented the collapse of the electronic industry of the 90s and the lack of production technology.
      1. Terner38
        Terner38 20 January 2016 19: 53 New
        +6
        The king was disturbed by drunkenness, but mishaps sent by the boyars. Now even though the tsar doesn’t drink, he cut all the beards to the boyars, and whom he exiled to Siberia, that’s where they left off. And the collapse and other excuses are all a consequence of the first paragraph.
        1. craynev
          craynev 21 January 2016 00: 22 New
          -4
          Something the king swayed for a long time (15 years)
          1. Dewa1s
            Dewa1s 21 January 2016 05: 25 New
            0
            go and show how to do it faster
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 09 New
        0
        I did not know that now devices are stupid copies of unfinished topics then ...
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 20 January 2016 19: 32 New
      +9
      Well, for starters, the introduction of new technology and new processors is the result of many years of work. In order to receive Russian processors now, it was necessary to develop technologies, create production, find money for it and, most importantly, understand what we really need and why. And finally, you need to plan exactly so that what will be developed is not outdated for years before release. And now, after many years of development, planning and construction, the system begins to be implemented, and the layman begins his eternal song - you had to start this a hundred years ago, nothing is done, everything was probably stolen, etc. fool
      The most entertaining of course is the energy bridge in Crimea. When a powerful project, including design, construction of a line from Rostov, commissioning of the 3rd power unit of the Rostov nuclear power plant, redistribution and modernization of Crimean power grids, construction of substations, a contract with Shanghai for the production of custom-made cable and its laying, and all this in less than 2 YEARS different intellectuals reduce to throw a wire through the strait. And in the dock lead temporary cable during the war. Damn, native land is not impoverished by deb-dams. fool I explain for unicellular - all the events that you see on the ruminant are RESULTS OF LONG-TERM WORK to which you usually have nothing to do. hi
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 20 January 2016 21: 28 New
        0
        1000

        Quote: g1v2
        all the events that you see on the ruminant is the RESULT OF LONG-TERM WORK

        Exactly. A topic for a good article, by the way. Who would undertake to write, with examples, like these:

        Quote: g1v2
        When a powerful project, including design, construction of a line from Rostov, commissioning of the 3rd power unit of the Rostov nuclear power plant, redistribution and modernization of Crimean power grids, construction of substations, a contract with Shanghai for the production of custom-made cable and its laying, and all this in less than 2 YEARS different intellectuals reduce to throw a wire through the strait. And in the dock lead temporary cable during the war.

        You haven't all mentioned, by the way. Although this is already enough, at least for a minimal understanding of the scope of the project.
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 January 2016 23: 20 New
        -2
        I don’t remember with what letter the word "Dibil" is written, but I know that a researcher in our country receives 16000 (sixteen) thousand rubles. This is the rate and level. And for the energy bridge - yes, only why the repair of the control room and control room of the import !!! CHARLES! DES was found only in one place. And it was not YOU ... You still tell me about the night regime of the Russian Federation ... I hope in your vocational school that explained ...
    4. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 20 January 2016 21: 59 New
      0

      Cancer on the mountain whistled.
  16. nihrutka
    nihrutka 20 January 2016 19: 11 New
    -2
    The idea is good, but the iron is still damp. According to the circuitry of the jambs there are many unsolved. Until the children's sores pass, time will be required, and people topple with the production of the MCST.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 January 2016 20: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: nihrutka
      The idea is good, but the iron is still damp. According to the circuitry of the jambs there are many unsolved. Until the children's sores pass, time will be required, and people topple with the production of the MCST.

      Those. Do you want to say that our Elbrus soldiers mow? So the computers assembled on Elbrus do not work? After all, if they mow, then this means only one thing - they do not work!
      You choose one thing. Work or not work. There are no half-working processors.
  17. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 20 January 2016 19: 17 New
    -1
    If you reduce the price by a factor of twenty, then there will generally be a competitor to intellect.
    1. Terner38
      Terner38 20 January 2016 19: 58 New
      +8
      No matter how! Do not confuse Intel's household consumer goods with the fact that Intel itself supplies the US defense industry, the price, I assure you, will differ hundreds of times. F35 is proof of that.
  18. rvn69
    rvn69 20 January 2016 19: 20 New
    0
    Interestingly, we’ll replace "spy bookmarks" with ours, domestic ones. winked
  19. Horly
    Horly 20 January 2016 19: 25 New
    0
    Good math processor! But manufactured ... in Taiwan!
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 20: 34 New
      0
      .. is made .. Your literacy is amazing and, secondly, what other processors are made in Taiwan ?! smile
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 20: 34 New
      +1
      .. is made .. Your literacy is amazing and, secondly, what other processors are made in Taiwan ?! smile
  20. Lumumba
    Lumumba 20 January 2016 19: 29 New
    +4
    I’ll also insert my expert 5 kopecks. The thinner the manufacturing process (the smaller the nanometers), the less stable the microcircuit is to various types of ionizing radiation, and the more it will be capricious to operating conditions, voltage surges, EMR. Therefore, such a chip will be unsuitable for defense applications.
  21. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 20 January 2016 19: 29 New
    +1
    The news is of course very good. But it is disturbing that in Russia the production of microchips according to the 60nm process technology has just been established. The equipment designed for the production of Elbrus-8C processors using 28nm technology is simply not physically available in Russia and now I am doing it in Taiwan, if I'm not mistaken. Developers go ahead of the possibilities of our production in the country. Of course, they are working on it now, but for now, who knows, our potential “friends” may be exploring what Elbrus is and what can be done to frustrate us. Part of the documentation is still passed on to Asians.
  22. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 19: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Aleksandr2012
    If you reduce the price by a factor of twenty, then there will generally be a competitor to intellect.


    Who needs a competitor? Thanks neighing. laughing There the difference in technology is about 10-15 years. Add huge Intel R&D there. Which they have more than our entire country. In fact, intel is a whole industry. With a decent country budget. We would have to supplant import in our market in the defense industry and industry. That’s the maximum goal.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 20 January 2016 20: 29 New
      +2
      There is a difference in technology of about 10-15 years. Add a huge intel R & D there. Which they have more than our whole country


      Do not praise them.
      We certainly can not compete in the coming years.
      But it is for the defense and is not required.
      The main thing is to make your element base
  23. Sergey333
    Sergey333 20 January 2016 19: 32 New
    -5
    One domestic processor was blinded and they think there are no bookmarks. Well naive. And whose RAM chips are ???, whose flash memory ?? Motherboard controllers whose solid-state and conventional disks, a video card, a matrix for the monitor - everywhere the processors are built in and sew in whatever you want.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 04: 57 New
      0
      and who said that only the processor? )) You can’t talk about anything else.
  24. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 19: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: KVIRTU
    NPO ERKON OJSC (formerly Orbita Plant), Nizhny Novgorod -
    leading manufacturer of resistors in Russia.
    Kuznetsk Capacitor Plant is the largest manufacturer of capacitors.
    Optron-Stavropol JSC is the oldest enterprise producing power semiconductor devices.
    OJSC "Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant-Assembly" - FPGA chips.
    Yes, there is everything, they need help from the state ... Or, at least they didn’t touch it, they didn’t stifle taxes ...


    Where do their products stand? SMD are there any? Plisins on how many gates do, how many MHz?
    I have never once in my entire life seen my element base in real devices. Chinese always and everywhere. Even when he worked in the VPKashny office.
  25. Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 19: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander 2
    No one says it's easy. Everything you need to create yourself: hard drives, RAM, solid state drives, video cards and much more. And not only in electronics. But better late than never. To begin with, to revive research, at least as in the USSR. Then: bringing inventions to "metal." And finally turn it into mass production, which has always been a weak point.


    Duck is about it. As for the industry in the USSR, we are like cancer to the moon. And taking into account the pace of how this is done, even further. The industry is universities, laboratories, factories, government strategy. We do not have a systematic policy in this area. More precisely, there is no systemic policy at all, but a conversation about electronics.
  26. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 20 January 2016 20: 04 New
    0
    Quote: dr.star75
    That's good, maybe the protons will stop falling!

    Well, by then everything will be fixed, possibly without Elbrus. in will take Elbrus, finally beauty will be
  27. PKTRL
    PKTRL 20 January 2016 20: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.
    However, the question is also in the operating system.

    you are "civilian", excuse me for swearing .. hi Compare x .. with an iPhone. Computing performance in gigahertz is not measured! wink
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 January 2016 20: 05 New
    +1
    OS and percent - half the battle, the second half - the mother. While there will be no mother on her components, there are no guarantees against bookmarks. About the hard drives and RAM just keep quiet.
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 21: 50 New
      0
      What is an American citizen, chunga-changa (3) US, though it hurts his eyes (minus set me) ?! wink
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 21: 50 New
      0
      What is an American citizen, chunga-changa (3) US, though it hurts his eyes (minus set me) ?! wink
  29. Dryulea
    Dryulea 20 January 2016 20: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: Terner38
    At one time - in the distant 95m I collected ABM PC 286 on my knee. So then RAM in ONE MEGABYTE! was on domestic chips (8pcs) and easily inserted into a foreign motherboard!

    Right! It was a deal! And before that there was a Specialist, then Sinclair of various modifications.
  30. PKTRL
    PKTRL 20 January 2016 20: 21 New
    0
    Quote: chunga-changa
    OS and percent - half the battle, the second half - the mother. While there will be no mother on her components, there are no guarantees against bookmarks. About the hard drives and RAM just keep quiet.

    Do not ... comrade, there is domestic equipment (not available to you wink ), and your "computer" does not need your "mother"! smile
  31. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 20 January 2016 20: 24 New
    +1
    Colleagues, well, why are we so messed up? We must be glad that the case after the 20 summer blockage has moved off the ground. Math went pretty good.
    Perc is brought, and whose scattering of pohren will be, 2 of the end - not the fact that a bug. And no one canceled special product research.
    While the industry is on its feet, the Chinese will rivet. Otherwise, we will not see good luck at all and not when.
    Something like this.
  32. KVIRTU
    KVIRTU 20 January 2016 20: 25 New
    +4
    I don’t like the other: "United Instrument-Making Corporation" then, "United Instrument-Making Corporation" ...
    Developed, introduced ...
    In fact, a bunch of loafers, an intermediary company, stuck to the financial flow from Moscow to the manufacturer.
    But the “Vega”, “Constellation”, “Control Systems” really work, in this case the Institute of Electronic Control Machines (INEUM) named after I.S. Brook, a total of 60 enterprises, which they crushed for themselves with a plausible excuse, sat on their necks (the production workers would agree among themselves without them).
    Still: Alexander Yakunin is the current state adviser to the Russian Federation of the 3rd class on the basis of Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of October 7, 2013 No. 770.
    "He began his career in 2000 year in one of the largest Russian holdings of electronic industry "Russian Electronics" as the head of department. AT 2002 year became deputy general director of Moselectronproject OJSC.
    Wild, in general. I wanted to insert a smiley, but not funny from such Yakunin ...
    1. opus
      opus 21 January 2016 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: KVIRTU
      In fact, a bunch of loafers, an intermediary firm, stuck to the financial

      +
      I’ll add:

      Rostec State Corporation increased the fixed part of the salaries of holding managers from 15-30% to 50%, the rest will be paid based on the results of the implementation of key performance indicators (KPIs). If the head exceeds them, he will be paid an additional 10% of the target bonus.

      A representative of Rostec did not inform RBC specific amounts of remuneration; salary information is confidential. The corporation publishes only information about the income of management. In 2014, the income of Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov amounted to 123 million rubles, this amount includes not only salary, but also other income.


      According to Alex Primus Executive Search, The income of the manager of the enterprise, which is part of Rostec, can reach 50–80 million rubles per year.
  33. valent45
    valent45 20 January 2016 20: 56 New
    -5
    Do not forget that Microsoft processors were developed
    managed by the NSA. We need a domestic base.
    1. Rossiyanin
      Rossiyanin 20 January 2016 21: 27 New
      +5
      Dear, Microsoft does not develop or release processors.
    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 21 January 2016 05: 14 New
      0
      I don’t understand why you got sick in this case. Although)) maybe they are from the NSA?)) But the fact that Microsoft and the NSA do not collaborate is not a secret for the whole world, and yes, not just under the "sensitive control" of the NSA. But for frequent by direct order, from this organization. Damn, and YES who will interfere with the domestic base? Let it be.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 21 January 2016 10: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        I don’t understand why you got sick in this case. Although)) maybe they are from the NSA?)) But the fact that Microsoft and the NSA do not collaborate is not a secret for the whole world, and yes, not just under the "sensitive control" of the NSA. But for frequent by direct order, from this organization. Damn, and YES who will interfere with the domestic base? Let it be.

        wassat The cons were probably set because Melkosoft releases operating systems and other programs - that is, software, but not processors - hardware (hardware). The processors are manufactured by AMD, Intel, Sun, plus a bunch of other companies, they all work with different sockets and in their own directions.
  34. Sergey333
    Sergey333 20 January 2016 21: 42 New
    -3
    Quote: PCTRL
    Do not ... comrade, there is domestic equipment (not available to you), and your computing complexes do not need your "mother"!

    "Mother" is not mine, but nobody canceled the architecture of any computer, losers. And the processor is even in the keyboard and mouse. Something I did not see in the list of "authorized" microcircuit RAM for 1 Gbit.
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 21: 57 New
      +1
      “Civilian”, are you changing shoes to “Sergey333” in one jump ?! am Are you familiar with the architecture of our processors, and their origin? Why do they need 1 G memory, do not remember ..?!
      1. Sergey333
        Sergey333 21 January 2016 18: 38 New
        0
        I don't change my shoes. And processors and other electronics with VP acceptance are my main specialty. And for laying a primitive circuit solution in a microcircuit tuned to a specific frequency, for example, spray a copper track in the form of an inductance, a capacitor and a couple of transistors to burn through the circuit (something similar in reusable tickets for multiple trips) to bookmark.
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 20 January 2016 21: 57 New
      -1
      “Civilian”, are you changing shoes to “Sergey333” in one jump ?! am Are you familiar with the architecture of our processors, and their origin? Why do they need 1 G memory, do not remember ..?! The percentage in the keyboard and mouse is strong .. laughing
  35. GSH-18
    GSH-18 20 January 2016 22: 37 New
    -1
    The new generation of chips is based on the modern 28 Nm process technology

    Well, what can I say? ... It's really unreal cool! At the moment, the coolest 22Nm process technology used by Intel in the manufacture of advanced processors is considered. Ours, apparently, are not far behind. A lower clock speed (than that of competitors) is a consequence of the processor architecture that has not yet been sufficiently developed. This is an instantly unsolvable problem, it takes some time, talented engineers and adequate research support. I think a couple of three years, and in addition to Intel and AMD there will be a serious Russian manufacturer of computer brains!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 21 January 2016 07: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: GSH-18
      I think a couple of three years, and in addition to Intel and AMD there will be a serious Russian manufacturer of computer brains!

      It is doubtful that they prefer to work with the budget, they also have atomic prices, we will continue to work on x86 and ARM
  36. would
    would 20 January 2016 22: 43 New
    -1
    Regarding the lack of bookmarks and domesticity

    “The new generation of chips is based on modern 28 Nm process technology


    I missed something and in our country appeared production lines capable of manufacturing chips on such a delicate manufacturing process? In my opinion, we are just building the Angstrem plant with AMD used production lines and are capable of manufacturing chips according to 130 nm, and such thinner and even thicker technological processes have not been mastered in our country and in this way "domestic" processors are manufactured at foreign companies abroad. For example TSMC.
    1. would
      would 20 January 2016 23: 14 New
      0
      even thicker manufacturing processes


      Thicker relative to 28nm, not 130.
    2. mahor
      mahor 23 January 2016 13: 05 New
      0
      Several companies are engaged in the development and production of processors in Russia. Russia is one of the very few countries in the world that boasts modern processors of its own design. This is a great achievement, since microprocessors are a strategically important product: especially the “military” and “space” versions of processors that cannot be so easily bought on the free market.
      Contents [remove]
      1 Processor Design
      1.1 Russian architecture, Russian microarchitecture
      1.2 Licensed processor cores
      1.3 International architecture, Russian microarchitecture
      2 Advantages of different processors
      2.1 ICST
      2.2 NIISI
      2.3 Baikal Electronics
      2.4 NGO "ELVIS" and "ELVIS-Neotech"
      2.5 milander
      2.6 Module
      2.7 KM211
      2.8 Multiclet
      2.9 KB "GeoStar Navigation" [4]
      3 Production of microcircuits in Russia
      4 See also
      5 Notes
      [edit] Processor Design

      Specialists distinguish between processor architecture and processor microarchitecture.
      The processor architecture is the instruction system it supports. The processor architecture is important for programmers, it depends on the architecture which programs will be compatible with this processor.
      The processor microarchitecture is, roughly speaking, the internal circuitry of the processor device, in the form in which processor developers see it.
      Processors with the same architecture but different microarchitecture can run the same programs without relaying, but differ in performance.
      [edit] Russian architecture, Russian microarchitecture
      This is a fully domestic product. Such processors are more difficult to promote on the world market and, conversely, on these processors it is more difficult to use software developed abroad.
      This category includes MCST / Elbrus, KM211 and Multiclet.
      [edit] Licensed processor cores
      The Russians themselves compose the cores purchased abroad on a chip, add their auxiliary blocks. Software written abroad is more or less guaranteed to work. The processor can be used to promote Russian hardware units abroad (for example, a video processing unit).
      According to this scheme, Baikal (MIPS), Milander (ARM), Module (ARM), and partially ELVIS (MIPS and ARM) were created.
      [edit] International architecture, Russian microarchitecture
      An interesting compromise, in which the software written abroad works, and you can say, "we designed not only a system on a chip, but also the processor core itself." The complexity of the creation of the scheme is close to the first point (Russian architecture and microarchitecture), and when moving to the world market, you must also prove to customers that the architecture is implemented accurately.
      Nevertheless, with large resources, the game is worth the candle. This category includes NIIIS (MIPS), and in part ELVIS (MIPS).
      остальное на http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E9%F1%EA%E8%E5_%EC%E8%EA%F0%EE%EF%F0%EE%F6%E5%
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  37. Valkh
    Valkh 20 January 2016 23: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Civil
    1.3 GHz, which is good, for comparison, the iPhone 6 is 1.4 GHz.
    However, the question is also in the operating system.

    Considering that our programmers work for apple and Microsoft, I think there will be no special problems !!!
  38. Sea Wolf
    Sea Wolf 20 January 2016 23: 37 New
    -1
    Things are good. But only the operator’s brain should be prepared burdened with knowledge and skills, experience, sustainability and non-saleability. And this is the most important thing. At the moment, everything can leak, and remember what they called.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 January 2016 23: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Sea Wolf
      At the moment, everything can leak, and remember what they called.

      For such cases, there is network security policy. Sysadmins do not just get loot.
  39. Tibaliti
    Tibaliti 20 January 2016 23: 48 New
    0
    I really hope that i7 will compete, with great pleasure I will put it on my computer, I really want IT, but will it be available for sale? or just for the defense industry?
  40. iouris
    iouris 21 January 2016 00: 35 New
    0
    We have already missed modern technologies for the production of computer technology. It is necessary to invest in the next generation of computer technology. A Russian HDD or a Russian video card is unlikely to appear.
    In order to produce high-quality computing equipment, a country must have a population of over 250 million people and 25% of the world market.
    The foregoing does not apply to military equipment. Here, the price often does not matter.
  41. Neko75
    Neko75 21 January 2016 02: 38 New
    +1
    It’s time to switch to domestic electronics. Develop more, implement more!
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 January 2016 06: 30 New
    0
    No, you can and should be happy about this.
    We would have more power electronics yes
    LED industry level raise.
    And most importantly, quality.
    What would be, as before, the equipment released at the defense enterprise,
    was in demand precisely for quality.
  43. jonht
    jonht 21 January 2016 08: 51 New
    0
    In 1990, they came to our school from TISUR (I don’t remember the exact name) and showed what they produce at the institute, among other things there were 200 mm silicon wafers with lithography of 130 nm microcircuits. As far as I know, the institute is alive and working, and therefore the laboratory also works. According to the AMD plant that was dragged to the Russian Federation, there was infa that the equipment was installed and launched back in 2012, in 2015, somewhere in the summer, there was information that work was underway to improve those processes at this plant. So it is quite possible that our kulibins have already made piles of rational proposals and the plant with 65 nm has switched to a finer tech. process. Even ours were engaged in the development and implementation of the so-called soft electronic circuits and such an old thing as koi lamps could be reduced many times to the level of transistors.
  44. Cobra77
    Cobra77 21 January 2016 09: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Olezhek
    There is a difference in technology of about 10-15 years. Add a huge intel R & D there. Which they have more than our whole country


    Do not praise them.
    We certainly can not compete in the coming years.
    But it is for the defense and is not required.
    The main thing is to make your element base


    We will not be able in the coming decades. I am not an expert from the couch. I know what I'm talking about. Even China cannot yet. Although it is moving by leaps and bounds, it has moved much further from us. We do not even make sense to get involved in the race. Our task in our market is to supplant imported components in the industry and defense industry, to inflate R&D and training specialists. Because highly technological races can only be won at a school desk and at a research institute. But we still have the exam and the education of a "competent consumer."
  45. Cobra77
    Cobra77 21 January 2016 09: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: jonht
    In 1990, they came to our school from TISUR (I don’t remember the exact name) and showed what they produce at the institute, among other things there were 200 mm silicon wafers with lithography of 130 nm microcircuits. As far as I know, the institute is alive and working, and therefore the laboratory also works. According to the AMD plant that was dragged to the Russian Federation, there was infa that the equipment was installed and launched back in 2012, in 2015, somewhere in the summer, there was information that work was underway to improve those processes at this plant. So it is quite possible that our kulibins have already made piles of rational proposals and the plant with 65 nm has switched to a finer tech. process. Even ours were engaged in the development and implementation of the so-called soft electronic circuits and such an old thing as koi lamps could be reduced many times to the level of transistors.


    It's not about the factory and 65nm. The point is specialists who can work there. Specialists who can design similar plants and processors (one without the other is not possible at all). Specialists able to build these plants. Kulibins is a myth. "Kulibins" happen when there is a system of education and scientific research. When there is a state systemic policy in the right industry. And we have Skolkovo and Rusnano with Chubais .... Nothing to appear from scratch.
    1. jonht
      jonht 21 January 2016 12: 14 New
      0
      So it’s not for nothing that I wrote about the institute, if there is a place where they study, if there are laboratories, then there are specialists too. Yes, if their level is not the one we would like to see. In China, yes, they cap a lot and skillfully, but they did not create their architecture, but use the licensed "risk" by making their own options based on it. (from ph. prob. write a lot).,
  46. gregor6549
    gregor6549 21 January 2016 11: 33 New
    0
    "The defense industry is developing equipment that will be guaranteed to be spared from" spy bookmarks. "
    And what, before the defense industry complex developed equipment without a guarantee that there are no spy bookmarks?
    And why was it previously necessary to purchase foreign equipment with a guarantee of such bookmarks? After all, a hedgehog is understandable that any country selling military equipment to its likely adversary will not miss the chance to push all kinds of bugs there. And crammed. And why did special enterprises created specifically for checking imported special equipment for the presence of bugs, to put it mildly, skimp on their duties, not forgetting to receive large sums from the budget for forgotten checks? Questions. questions.
  47. Nimijar
    Nimijar 22 January 2016 09: 32 New
    0
    Very good news! That's right, you finally need to do your own, and even your OS ...
  48. Sunseich
    Sunseich 23 January 2016 10: 20 New
    0
    Quote: PCTRL
    The percentage in the keyboard and mouse is strong .. laughing

    You won’t believe it, but they are there.
    open, read about the exchange protocols ...
    I, just half a year ago, made a device for a gamer that imitates the operation of a mouse and keyboard
    unpretentious tqfp-32 atmega8 Atmel (they say, already bought Microchip)
  49. Sunseich
    Sunseich 23 January 2016 10: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: cobra77
    goof R&D and specialist training. Because high-tech races can only be won
    at a school desk and at a research institute.
    But we still have the exam and the education of a "competent consumer."

    I try to try at school to make a study circle of the basics of electronics and robotics. 22 students have already accumulated. BUT!
    by classes:
    11 - nobody
    10 - nobody
    9-2
    8-3
    7 - 13 (of which girls - 5)!
    6-4

    and what’s funny: I can’t get through the minds of leadership ...
    and the main question: why? The second question: who will pay. Free, I say, I will work, only buy parts.
    I’ll go to forums, I will beg, but after 10 years in my area there will be less than 22 managers / lawyers !!!
  50. cedar
    cedar 23 January 2016 11: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Neko75
    It’s time to switch to domestic electronics. Develop more, implement more!


    What place did you think when choosing an avatar?
    Soviet people in a bloody war defeated a cruel and powerful enemy by paying 30 lives for freedom, this vile picture of what the great feat of the people comes to ...?
    If, by stupidity, this was done, apologize and change the avatar, we will understand, if consciously ... BEND so that you are not visible and not heard!