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MP proposed to cancel USE in schools

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LDPR deputy Roman Khudyakov proposed to the State Duma to appeal to the Russian Ministry of Education with a request to cancel the holding of a single state examination in the country, reports RIA News.




EGE today is the only form of exams in high school and the main form of entrance exams for applicants with 2009.

“I am outraged that even in 2002, the government of the Russian Federation borrowed almost 50 million dollars from the World Bank for this very education reform, and already in 2003 was experimentally introduced the use of the USE, which is still not working. Our children with you from this system only grow stupid, grow stupid, and most importantly even go to suicide. I will address today, first of all, with the protocol commission that the State Duma should appeal to the Ministry of Education about the cancellation of the USE ”,
Khudyakov said before the meeting.

In his opinion, “it is necessary to return the former form of state final certification”.
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  1. shooter18
    shooter18 20 January 2016 18: 09
    111
    Some children have a habit of thinking - one of the goals of education is to rid them of it.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 20 January 2016 18: 15
      128
      In his opinion, “it is necessary to return the former form of state final certification”.

      And the Soviet form of education!
      1. Looking Petrovich
        Looking Petrovich 20 January 2016 18: 19
        87
        The level has really fallen. Modern school graduates differ (according to a relative working in a university) in the following:
        1. Chronically they cannot correctly put "b" in the endings "tsya" and "tsya".
        2. Geographical cretinism - almost no one can name, for example, the capital of Mongolia.
        3. Very poor knowledge of history - most do not know in what era Joan of Arc and others lived.
        All this is clearly worse, on average, than in the late USSR.
        1. poquello
          poquello 20 January 2016 18: 35
          +9
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          The level has really fallen. Modern school graduates differ (according to a relative working in a university) in the following:
          1. Chronically they cannot correctly put "b" in the endings "tsya" and "tsya".
          2. Geographical cretinism - almost no one can name, for example, the capital of Mongolia.
          3. Very poor knowledge of history - most do not know in what era Joan of Arc and others lived.
          All this is clearly worse, on average, than in the late USSR.

          What scientific bird decided that I say so? further sounds (I don’t indicate softness): AGRAROTH, KLUF, DIDAFSCHINA, etc. what they learn and know
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 20 January 2016 19: 15
            72
            The Bologna system in the collapse of the quality of education in the Russian Federation is already making itself felt.

            It should be noted that the Bologna education system with its Unified State Examination works by and large against Russia. The Unified State Exam passing system orientates future applicants not to understanding the knowledge system itself and the scientific methodologies themselves by which this knowledge is obtained, but to primitive cramming of the information that already exists.
            Such a Bologna formation is similar to the behavior of a pack of wolves driven to shoot, which hunters overlaid with red flags and who can’t guess what kind of flags can be released. As a result, all driven wolves are shot.
            Recently, I was at a scientific and practical conference, at which a report was presented on how society interprets what is happening in the country and the world for different age groups. And it turned out that a critical understanding of what is happening in people of the age group up to 35 years ALREADY does not currently depend on whether they have a higher education or not. Both think in the same way - stereotyped primitively - without going beyond the framework of information and educational school programs. Studies show that people with higher education, like people with secondary education, do not have their own productively analytical and critical ideas and that they simply have a larger set of empirical information that they do not know how to use. Therefore, they are all easy to manipulate, they do not notice it.
            But for older people, everything is different. Older people who received higher education in the Soviet era, when assessing what is happening, think completely differently depending on the level of their education. The higher their educational level, the more difficult it is to manipulate them - they think outside the box, demonstrate good analytical thinking and a more creative approach to solving specific practical problems, they more adequately assess the situation in the country and abroad and draw the right conclusions.
            Here are the "fruits" of the Bologna educational system in comparison with the Soviet one. And this is just one of many negative indicators of the consequences of the transition of education to the system of admission to universities based on the results of only passing the Unified State Exam.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 20 January 2016 19: 35
              40
              The knowledge of the Bologna system, based on cramming, allows the authorities to strictly control the masses of people in order to limit and keep the development of society in strictly defined limits in the future - without any independent creative exit of people beyond secretly established boundaries. First of all, this concerns the limitation of the development of production industries in the future, which determine the economic independence and sovereignty of any country.
              How this happens, I will give an example.

              The system of methodological knowledge is laid in the first grade. As laid down by some teachers, I will give an example. She herself was a witness.
              Children passed the number 10. The young teacher tells the students:
              - Well, children, we have passed all the numbers in mathematics. There are only nine of them (?!), And he begins to list them, - one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine - and that’s all!
              And where is her zero? This is the first.
              And the second is that the numbers in mathematics are not called what she said, but: unit, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight, nine and zero. And the teacher did not list the numbers in mathematics, but the name of the numbers. This is a gross methodological error in mathematics, which then leads the child to difficulties in understanding him of the whole system of constructing numbers from even to 20, and even more so. There can be an infinite number of numbers, but they are written using 10 numbers, like a lot of different words from all 33 letters. The child does not understand the system, but memorizes it. All mathematics flies at him somersault, then he begins to hate her.

              This is how some teachers teach in school, and parents or tutors then correct, retrain - it's good if it's on time. And before passing the exam, another 10 years of such wild cramming! The teacher then hangs the label on the child: "incapable of mathematics", at best your child is "a humanist!

              As a result, 80% of school graduates choose humanitarian professions, rather than industrial and technical ones.
              1. veteran66
                veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 13
                -4
                Quote: Tatiana
                Young teacher tells students

                this young teacher probably did not study in the era of the Unified State Exam and was taught by her teachers and teachers of the so-called. Soviet school, so to whom are the claims? "There are no bad students, there are bad teachers" - so, it seems, the proverb says.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 21 January 2016 03: 49
                  14
                  Every reform has its beneficiaries, manipulators and their allies. Without identifying these personalities, general conversations do not lead to anything good, because all the negative from the reforms remains at the same level and moves in the initially given negative direction.
                  Education in the country began to collapse with the beginning of the global “perestroika” of M. Gorbachev in the USSR under the guise of introducing the so-called “New thinking” and market reforms.
                  Namely, according to In fact, the destruction of education in the USSR began with the Act with the abolition in 1986 of the institute of inspectors in RONO. Inspectors from RONO attended daily lessons in schools throughout the school year and monitored how the teacher works with students in the classroom, how he prepared for the lesson, what methodological errors he makes when setting out the training material. The inspector's assessment of the teacher’s work affected his recertification and salary. The teachers themselves, with joy and perseverance, sought this abolition of control over them under the guise of professional liberal freedom for the entire teaching corps. After that, the educational-market school-reform mess began in our country.
                  According to the documents, I remember the anti-people market essence of the school reforms in the country proposed by them through the Sobchak Lensoviet in 1990.
                  At the same time, the liberal-minded teacher corps of the Gorbachev era, narrow-mindedly believed that on liberal school reforms, the teachers themselves are paradise - in a market-oriented way - "get rich." They were driven by a thirst for market profit. They wanted to get paid, both in cooperatives and in private paid schools. They advocated, in fact, for the privatization of school education and the schools themselves, like the privatization of enterprises and industrial sectors n / x-va. Only teachers of the old Soviet school worked in a normal manner and understood intelligently the whole situation to the end in the country. And the teaching youth was engaged in liberal-market spitting in the Soviet past of our country and held strikes to increase teachers' salaries, while production stopped and workers across the country for months did not receive any salaries at all. There were delays in wages. There was nothing for people to live on.
                  And the teacher’s corps also manipulated Yeltsin’s bargaining chip in his struggle with Gorbachev for power in the country. Whoever, teachers, will increase their salaries more, for that they will vote for themselves and agitate and force others, for example, the parents of their students. Remember who we mainly sit in the election commissions in the elections? Teachers are still manipulators!
                  I remember from the documents the anti-people market essence of school reforms in the country proposed by the teacher deputies through the Sobchakovsky Leningrad City Council in 1990 as a pilot project for the whole of Russia. The parent committees of St. Petersburg schools then promised to organize a general strike in the city in response to their introduction. Then the liberals did not dare to introduce market reforms in education and postponed them, but the essence of modern school reform remains almost the same. It is just being introduced more slowly, but in the same direction. This is a deterioration in the quality and quantity of education itself, various kinds of restrictions on access to it for the working masses, voluntarism and profanation of the teacher corps, localism and clanism, as well as the mutual responsibility of teachers against students and their parents.
                  And if it were not for Western sanctions against Russia, then nothing would have changed in Russian education, and they would not have even stuttered about it.
                  1. Drmadfisher
                    Drmadfisher 21 January 2016 04: 50
                    +4
                    for 10 years of study (1969-1979) I did not see a single RONO inspector, our director Anna Mikhailovna was "worse" than any RONO
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 21 January 2016 05: 40
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                      The exam is already giving results among school teachers. Who will they teach when the teachers of the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE and LITERATURE themselves can no longer correctly write?
                      You don't have to go far. Look at separate comments on VO. Some are very "hurt" the eye.
                      It is urgent to abandon the exam and return to the Soviet system of education and assessment of knowledge with the help of old exams.
                      1. cap54
                        cap54 21 January 2016 17: 17
                        +6
                        From the text of the letter of recommendation from the Ministry of Education for teachers of the Russian language and literature, I don’t remember either the number or the date (unfortunately), you should not pay attention to spelling mistakes made by the students ... supposedly: as you hear it is written !!! Where is it already before the LETTER ... So soon, people will be with Portfolios, on tranches, sitting on tuberettes in calids, etc. etc.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 22 January 2016 20: 09
                        +6
                        Quote: vladimirZ
                        The exam is already giving results among school teachers. Who will they teach when the teachers of the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE and LITERATURE themselves can no longer correctly write?

                        My mother and aunt are Russian scientists with 40 years of experience. So they said, before, even when doing cheat sheets, a person remembered a lot without cramming and drills. At the same time, the Soviet model of education did not just allow, but required extraordinary and non-formatted thinking, which has long been gone among young people of Western cultures (for the most part).
                        And the Unified State Exam is an attempt to format and blind our children so that they think in a formatted and predictable way.
                        I am a father myself and have a very negative attitude towards the USE and pro-Western models of education.
                    2. Ivan Ivanovich
                      Ivan Ivanovich 22 January 2016 10: 10
                      +1
                      Yes, these inspectors are mostly mediocrity and idlers stupidly carrying out the commands of the same idiots from above ...
                  2. derik1970
                    derik1970 21 January 2016 06: 28
                    +2
                    Unfortunately you are right hi
                    1. ASK505
                      ASK505 21 January 2016 14: 58
                      +6
                      Quote: derik1970
                      Unfortunately you are right


                      Everything is in the subject. After "Sorry" you must put a comma, and "You" with a capital letter, as a reference. This is the American exam, the absence of industry, where you can apply the knowledge and laws from Uncle Sam, will finish us off without war.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 22 January 2016 20: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: ASK505
                        After "Sorry" you must put a comma

                        - that's for sure...

                        Quote: ASK505
                        and "you" with a capital letter, as an appeal

                        - yes, well, nafig, there is no such rule ... "you" is respectful emphasis, is applied, as a rule, in business correspondence.

                        And nothing more yes

                        PS: Despite the Amer’s flag (I’m betting - after a couple of comments, it will change something else .. well, they don’t know how to determine IP correctly on this site, it’s not given) - I live in Russia, and at one time I graduated from the Soviet school, oh than I have no regrets wink
                  3. aleksey980
                    aleksey980 21 January 2016 21: 39
                    +9
                    My grandmother was a librarian in a rural library for a long time. When she retired, which was in the late 90s, she sometimes went there. I don’t remember why she needed this book, but she asked the new librarian to give her the book “Peter 1”, to which the young librarian replied by asking how Zadorny had “attention” ... “What did he write?”.
                    Tom’s grandmother is very impressionable, she says that she became ill, but, thank God, she’s not up to a stroke.
                    In many schools, things are no better and this is even before the exam.

                    P.S. On the network you can find records and excerpts from Hitler's speech (if one of the lessons of history is not up to date) regarding the operation in the east. I do not remember literally, but the essence of the part of the speech is that, without fail, it is necessary to destroy educated people, and for other Slavs and kindred peoples it is enough to be able to read and know the basics of the account so that they can determine the number of the tram. There was much more ... the plan was put into effect, only with other hands.
                    We talked somehow with the son’s class teacher on the topic of reforms and other things, and agreed that the most appropriate definition for what is being done is genocide.
                2. Ivan Ivanovich
                  Ivan Ivanovich 22 January 2016 10: 08
                  +1
                  Nonsense is not folk wisdom, you look at our children, parents have absolutely no time to deal with them work-TV-tablet-work ...
              2. a housewife
                a housewife 21 January 2016 04: 56
                +2
                Oh, sorry, Pushkin taught math badly! The teachers must have been bad. He had to go in the humanities! laughing
              3. Yarik
                Yarik 21 January 2016 06: 31
                +1
                The knowledge of the Bologna system, based on cramming, allows the authorities to strictly control the masses of people in order to

                Oh how. And write, Putin is not a good word, they will zaminusuyut.Putin is not the authorities. wink wassat
              4. phantom
                phantom 21 January 2016 21: 03
                -3
                Quote: Tatiana
                Knowledge of the Bologna system, based on cramming, allows authorities to strictly control the masses of people

                Quote: Tatiana
                . First of all, this concerns the limitation of the development of production industries in the future, which determine the economic independence and sovereignty of any country.

                Is "knowledge" necessary without the possibility of its application, is the "baggage" that no one needs, obtained by such labor, is needed. I mean that in the conditions of a resource-oriented economy and small participation of industrial enterprises in personnel training, such "knowledge" quite naturally becomes unnecessary. The problem is not in the USE (the education system began to collapse when production began to fall apart), but in the fact that the modern education system still remains predominantly Soviet. Soviet, but in the absence of cultural, socio-economic and industrial relationships and goals. And no one knows how to solve this problem, hence such experiments as the Unified State Exam appear.
                1. aleksey980
                  aleksey980 21 January 2016 22: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: phantom
                  Is "knowledge" necessary without the possibility of its application, is the "baggage" that no one needs, obtained by such labor, is needed. I mean that in the conditions of a resource-oriented economy and small participation of industrial enterprises in personnel training, such "knowledge" quite naturally becomes unnecessary.

                  You, it seems to me, do not quite understand the importance and role of education in the life of a country and a state. By adjusting the level of education and development, you can get a society with the necessary qualities (for those who regulate).
                  According to the Soviet system, diversified graduates were trained, and they acquired a narrow direction already in the order of "polishing" at the place of their first job, depending on the industry.
                  Narrowly targeted specialists are beneficial from the point of view of financial planning, because the child already from school determines the direction and the student is less erudite, because he does not have to learn related and other disciplines that are not part of the main course, but with more experience on a given topic and on his retraining at the enterprise (i.e. for the period from employment to before he begins to bring estimated profit) it is necessary to spend less money. But the ability of a complex specialist to solve complex problems is slightly lower than that of a diversified one.
                  1. phantom
                    phantom 22 January 2016 17: 41
                    0
                    Quote: aleksey980
                    You, it seems to me, do not quite understand the importance and role of education in the life of the country and state

                    You are right about this, I just won’t understand why a country in which people with higher education aged 25 to 50 years more than 50% (the best indicator in the world), lives off the sale of oil and gas. Where are the outstanding scientists, where are the grandiose projects, where are the new developments and technological production. Maybe ...
                    1. phantom
                      phantom 22 January 2016 18: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: aleksey980
                      Narrowly targeted specialists are beneficial from the point of view of financial planning, because the child already from school determines the direction and the student is less erudite, because he does not have to learn related and other disciplines that are not part of the main course, but with more experience on a given topic and on his retraining at the enterprise (i.e. for the period from employment to before he begins to bring estimated profit) it is necessary to spend less money. But the ability of a complex specialist to solve complex problems is slightly lower than that of a diversified one.

                      This is only in theory, and perhaps the main reason for our "education" is precisely in the fact that we keep silent about real problems and are engaged in window dressing. In practice, many objects have become useless tediousness. The teachers-professors themselves, the smartest people, say: "They pretend that they study, we - that we teach." Students boast that without knowing the subject, they passed it before the others. Everything is in order with us only in the reports and the number of issued diplomas. It seems that the education system exists only to justify its existence for itself and that no other tasks are set for it.
                      1. aleksey980
                        aleksey980 22 January 2016 20: 02
                        0
                        Quote: phantom
                        You are right about this, I just won’t understand why a country in which people with higher education aged 25 to 50 years more than 50% (the best indicator in the world), lives off the sale of oil and gas.

                        And therefore, why always. Ordinary people in the general mass are extremely inert and not inclined to insolence and adventurism, but on the contrary to modesty and compassion, and if someone starts to "stink", they prefer not to make trouble. Therefore, they procrastinate (or rather, we all procrastinate here and not only here) kitchen conversations. Therefore, they do not try to break into power. But those whose ambitions are multiplied by impudence and lack of conscience, many who have never really worked and who do not know responsibility, and even more so how it sometimes punishes, rush there. These are the ones who run the ball, and they are from the high bell tower to everyone except themselves.
                        In general, we were turned into a herd that stupidly follows the main ram and this was done not so much by foreign enemies as by internal ones, and such education has been going on for centuries. Therefore, when they give the task to do and the funds for it, we do it. There is no set task or there is, but there is only enough money to take a rope and hang ourselves - we do not do it, but think wherever, how to play tricks in order to feed the children, instead of grandiose projects and new developments. "
                        Quote: phantom
                        Where are the outstanding scientists, where are the grandiose projects, where are the new developments and technological production. Maybe ...

                        In the same place as education with industry. And they started pushing them there not in 1991, and not even with the arrival of Gorbachev, but even before him.
                        Alas, the puppeteers are well aware of the role of education in the state, which is why they have been pushing for a long time, actively and, sadly, very effective.
                        Quote: phantom
                        This is only in theory, and perhaps the main reason for our "education" is precisely in the fact that we keep silent about real problems and are engaged in window dressing.

                        The human brain can consider one problem in different ways, and often the subconscious mind takes on the bulk of the understanding. To solve problems (a generalizing term, and not just about mathematics with physics) that go beyond textbooks, you need to be able to think. And the concentration on a narrow sector of knowledge, almost automatically, pulls the principle of least resistance, i.e. when I learned a piece, I didn’t understand the essence, passed the exam, forgot everything and went to work to remember.
                        I, to those who help to learn something, although not a teacher, always try to convey the first thing that in order to understand the subject (usually it’s technical, like a compromise with the theory of elasticity, mechanics, etc.), you don’t need to learn the formulas, but understand the essence, i.e. the logic of ongoing processes. And for this it is necessary to be able to think and often understanding is facilitated by knowledge and understanding of seemingly far from adjacent disciplines.
                      2. aleksey980
                        aleksey980 22 January 2016 20: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: phantom
                        In practice, many objects have become useless tediousness. The teachers-professors themselves, the smartest people, say: "They pretend that they study, we - that we teach." Students boast that without knowing the subject, they passed it before the others. Everything is in order with us only in the reports and the number of issued diplomas.

                        This is a problem of motivation for both teachers and students. And it is precisely on motivation that the main blow is delivered, and the rest is a matter of technique and voila - a herd of consumers who can read the inscription on the product packaging, calculate the cost and, at the maximum, reproduce something according to the finished designs, is ready.
                        Quote: phantom
                        It seems that the education system exists only to justify its existence before itself and that no other tasks are set for it.

                        No, in my opinion, not so. The education system is being redesigned to create a society of workers who should only be capable of serving that notorious "golden billion". At the same time, people themselves must think that this is how it should be and that it cannot be otherwise. And talented children, who are not hindered by any systems to gain knowledge, will be taken away for themselves, such as offering a job and promoting this business under the sauce "you see" we appreciate you and whoever wants can.
                        If the collapse of the brain continues, then we will come to this. Now, so far, few are resisting in our country (sadly, few) and perhaps even in India and China. So the goals are known, but everyone cannot be dumped at once, therefore they act in turn, starting with the most sworn "partner".
                        P.S. Among other things, when it comes to the practical implementation of ideas, one must also take into account the peculiarity of the mentality. Many (I am the same and I have enough acquaintances) are ready to “fight” to solve complex or just interesting problems, sometimes even forgetting about themselves, but as soon as it started to work out and the case for the design and stupid debugging, the fuse disappears and interest is lost. It is then that valuable narrowly focused personnel are needed, for whom routine is a familiar and not nauseating thing. But before they were obtained automatically, by natural selection, but now they are prepared, or rather, only they are prepared. They are too lazy and uninteresting to strain their brains, and many of those who can strain them either in business or, more often, somewhere on the job as hard workers, because at least it turns out to survive.
                        We have, as usual, from one extreme to another.
              5. Rivares
                Rivares 22 January 2016 20: 47
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                And the teacher did not list the numbers in mathematics, but the name of the numbers. This is a gross methodological error in mathematics, which then leads the child to difficulties in understanding him of the whole system of constructing numbers from even up to 20, and even more so. There can be an infinite number of numbers, but they are written using 10 digits, like a lot of different words with only 33 letters.


                And where do you get such misconceptions about numbers and numbers?
                The name "figure" came from the Jewish book "Sephiroth Hebrew. ספירות" For example, a combination of 2 Hebrew words Digit + Blat = dial.
                The name number came from the Old Russian language where a series of letters had a numerical value.
                Therefore, in our language there are words calculation, numbering, etc. And there are no words such as digitalization or digitalization.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 January 2016 03: 57
                  +1
                  Rivares
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  And the teacher did not list the numbers in mathematics, but the name of the numbers. (...) There can be an infinite number of numbers, but they are written using 10 numbers, like a lot of different words from just 33 letters.

                  And where do you get such misconceptions about numbers and numbers?
                  The name "number" comes from the Old Russian language where a number of letters had a numerical value.
                  Therefore, in our language there are the words CALCULATION, CALCULATION, etc. And there are no words such as digitization or digitization.

                  Dear Rivares! Oh no no no! And where did you study like that? And who only taught you this way?
                  The words "digitization" and "digitization" in comparison with "calculation" and "reckoning" in mathematics really do not exist and in the understanding of calculations there simply cannot be !!! Because the numbers do not serve to count, but to indicate and write the numbers themselves. For example: 2, 22, 2222, etc.
                  Number is an abstract essence and the basic concept in mathematics, used for quantitative characterization, comparison, numbering of objects and their parts.
                  The written signs for the DESIGNATION and RECORDING of numbers are NUMBERS (as well as symbols of mathematical operations). For example, the same NUMBER can be indicated by DIFFERENT characters: Arabic numerals, Roman numerals, and even dots and dashes in Morse code.

                  If you do not know something or if you have a question, check back often for help on the Internet.
                2. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 23 January 2016 12: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Rivares
                  The name "figure" came from the Jewish book "Sephiroth Hebrew ספירות"

                  It is believed that the word digit comes from the Arabic name for zero, "digits". By the way, the Hebrew word "sifra" appeared in the medieval era in Arab Spain among Jewish scholars who wrote in Arabic and Hebrew. Etymologically, the root of the word "sifra" corresponds to the Arabic root of "numbers". From the Arabic word "numbers" penetrated into European languages. The word dial consists of two German roots "digit" and "blat" - a sheet (of paper), that is, literally a sheet with numbers.
            2. Alexei
              Alexei 20 January 2016 19: 47
              +9
              In my opinion, the fact is that with the advent of the Internet, there is too much unnecessary information, and a lot of thought resources are spent on processing it. For example, there may be several points of view on one topic, having studied which you will most likely have your own personal one (the USSR system). Or like now: here are a bunch of different topics, choose the one you like, then choose the well-grounded point of view you like, move on to the next topic. A ready-made template with which you can join a community of like-minded people. No doubts, no thoughts on the topic "why exactly this way and not otherwise ..."
              1. dauria
                dauria 21 January 2016 00: 27
                10
                In my opinion, the fact is that with the advent of the Internet, too much unnecessary information has become


                Not this way. What do we do when we meet an unfamiliar? Correctly, "google". The result is a sensible explanation, good and complete. As a result, a huge amount of facts and knowledge previously obtained from books, seemingly secondary, unnecessary, irrelevant, passed us by.
                And this is real knowledge. Man is always looking for analogies always... Let in completely unrelated facts, from another area, but he will find. And where will he look for them, if they simply are not in the head, this very "unnecessary" knowledge? This is a huge harm to the Internet, as yet unnoticed.

                Are you laughing? Once upon a time in biology at school they taught the "reflex arc". Later, on "automation" at the university, this very "arc" suddenly hit my head, and I wanted to close it in a feedback loop. Later I read it, yes, now this thing is really called "reflex ring"
            3. veteran66
              veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 10
              +3
              Quote: Tatiana
              Older people who graduated in the Soviet era,

              these people, first of all, have life experience. No one evaluated them (older people) the way of thinking 15-20 years ago and did not compare it with the current generation. The problem of fathers and children has always existed and will exist. I affirm this on the basis of my life experience, on a personal example, so to speak.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 20 January 2016 21: 48
                +4
                veteran66
                Tatyana
                Older people who graduated in the Soviet era,

                these people, first of all, have life experience. Nobody evaluated them (older people) the way of thinking 15-20 years ago and did not compare it with the current generation.
                Dear veteran66! You do not quite understand the essence of the study. Therefore, I will repeat a little more.

                The report compared the qualitative exhaust of the implementation of education in various age groups. In the study, life experience was taken into account by the fact that researchers differentiated the population by age groups with a difference of 5 years.
                Moreover, life experience in each ONE and the same age group, in fact, was the same.
                Later, in a generalized form of the results of their research, sociologists found that in a generalized group of OVER 35 years, the results of perception of events and creative activity DEPEND ON the level of education - secondary or higher, and in the group BEFORE 35 there are NO!
                If everything depended only on age, then in the age group up to 35 years, life experience would certainly affect.
                The fact of the matter is that, in other words, sociologists accidentally discovered this phenomenon - namely, the difference in the use of methodological knowledge between people with MODERN and people with SOVIET education. Moreover, initially, the task of such a comparison in the study was not set by sociologists at all - they could not even imagine the existence of such a difference. The difference found is just APPOINTED DISCOVERY scientists in their case study.
            4. Belgorod
              Belgorod 21 January 2016 00: 59
              -2
              I’m 50, I have a special secondary, 90% of friends and acquaintances have higher education, and I didn’t notice something
              think outside the box, demonstrate good analytical thinking and a more creative approach to solving specific practical problems, they more adequately assess the situation in the country and abroad and draw the right conclusions.

              By the way, you can manipulate it elementarily
              But it is much more interesting to communicate with young people, as you like to say "victims of the exam". Their brains are sharpened in a completely different way, a completely different perception of information.
              And about the exam, before canceling, approve the fees for passing exams.
              Let me explain:
              When my daughter went to the eleventh grade, a new chemistry teacher came. No student in the class received more than three
              My wife works in the education system, I agreed with the METHODIST that she will work out with our child.
              In just a couple of weeks, the chemist sets the control for the house. The daughter decides, the METHODIST checks, I emphasize the CHEMISTRY METHODIST and surrenders.
              Did you get a lope daughter? Oh well
              THREE points !!!!!
              The wife goes to school, the teacher begins to say something. The wife listened, and then asked, “Do you know who put three points?” And called a surname
              The teacher managed it! (This methodologist tested it) The next day, the class had normal performance.
              Why did the teacher do all this? Yes, elementary, prepared the sale of grades in the certificate.
              What is scary exam
              1 Corruption is suppressed at school, it makes no sense to pay - all the same, others will give ratings
              2 there is an opportunity to really evaluate the work of the school (before the teachers themselves taught, they themselves checked the knowledge, and which one will spoil the indicators)
              Therefore, the exam is not beneficial primarily to teachers!
              There was an opportunity to really evaluate the educational system itself.
              My wife has been working in education all her life, and for more than 25 years I have heard about problems and have never heard that at least something has changed for the better.
              The whole problem of the exam is that it spoils the life of teachers
              The education system needs to be changed, by the way, twenty years ago, everyone said that the Soviet system was based on the German one, based on cramming.
              But the main trouble of the modern school is not the exam.
              My godfather cries, first plows at work, then until late at night he does his homework. I read a joke somewhere. Previously, teachers taught children, and now they check how their parents teach them. Now at school everything is brought to the point of absurdity.
              The education system needs to be changed and the faster the better
              By the way, the exam is not an education system. This is the QUALITY EDUCATION SYSTEM for students, the work of teachers and the educational system itself.
              And the exam is doing just fine with this job.
              Someone from the great said to teach a person is impossible. You can help a person learn
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 21 January 2016 02: 46
                +2
                Belgorod
                I’m 50, I have a special secondary, 90% of friends and acquaintances have higher education, and I didn’t notice something
                think outside the box, demonstrate good analytical thinking and a more creative approach to solving specific practical problems, they more adequately assess the situation in the country and abroad and draw the right conclusions.

                Began…! You, dear Belgorod, simply pride plays! No offense to you this is said. But it’s IMPOSSIBLE to comment on the results of scientific research!
                Here it is
                think outside the box, demonstrate good analytical thinking and a more creative approach to solving specific practical problems, they more adequately assess the situation in the country and abroad and draw the right conclusions.
                It was said in a general way and applied to people OLDER 35 years compared to people FROM 35 years and younger. And, of course, we are talking about averaged data and the general trend of the dispersal of the results of people using their knowledge from education in society by age group.
                It’s already evident from your reaction that you do not have a higher education. (Pancake!)
                In addition, you simply could not notice the superiority of people with higher education over you because you yourself do not have it. How and in what can you compare yourself with them? By profession, by general development, by way of thinking - how ?! Maybe your friends do not work in their profession and have long been marginalized (that is, they work in other specialties in lower positions or in general as assistants) in our Russian labor market, which is crammed with foreign labor migrants, and with closing enterprises - that’s completely possibly.
                Still, trust in the results of research by specialists - they have professionally competent averaged data for the country without any subjectivity.
                And then we move on to discussing educational reforms if you and I have enough nerves for this.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 21 January 2016 05: 02
                  0
                  Belgorod
                  ....

                  Dear Belgorod!
                  Partly on the reform, bearing in mind our polemic with you, I have already expressed myself in my commentary from the 03 hour. 49 min., Posted by me above - after my main comments.
                  As for the market quality of teachers' work, I have something to agree with you. The "market" school problem you mentioned is widely known among the parents of students.
              2. ASK505
                ASK505 21 January 2016 16: 30
                +1
                Quote: Belgorod
                The education system needs to be changed,


                Everything is true, but without changing the economic model in the state, i.e. without a second industrialization, it will not be possible to change the education system. Where to apply knowledge? There is no production of means of production, no enterprises either. Today we do not produce quality products, not because we can’t, but because our partners in the USA forbade us to do this and wrote us their own laws for this. Therefore, the potential of smart women after school can not be realized in the field of the lack of real economy and production.
                Ask graduates today which of them would like to engage in the production of any goods. None. Everyone wants to be a reviewer, or a reviewer, or sit on a budget. Going to business? But children see with the example of their parents that there is a dead end of choice: either honestly abide by all the laws and go broke, or become part of the general corruption scheme so that your business can continue to live, i.e. any business is an obligation to participate in corruption. These rules are imposed from across the ocean. But young people also understand that this is dangerous. And here the question is not only morality. The self-preservation instinct says that at any moment you can lose not only money, time and your efforts, but also freedom. And you need to live, create a family and live with dignity. But how to realize yourself in such an economic barda ke according to other people's overseas laws, would you be at least seven spans in your forehead?
                Therefore, the current education system copes with its task. She successfully prepares a consumer without brains and without the ability to think. For this, it was pushed into us after the collapse of the USSR, in order to exchange hydrocarbons for "beads", ie. for electronics, cars, tools, household items, Boeings, etc. The education system with this USE is the tip of the iceberg, and a chemistry aunt in the role of a teacher is a natural cog. You need to look at the root.
            5. mervino2007
              mervino2007 22 January 2016 16: 49
              0
              Quote: Tatiana
              The Unified State Exam passing system orientates future applicants not to understanding the knowledge system itself and the scientific methodologies themselves by which this knowledge is obtained, but to primitive cramming of the information that already exists.

              The exam does not orient students towards an understanding of the knowledge system. Unified State Examination - a system to verify the knowledge gained. Highly formalized - i.e. no longer find fault with the answer. So far, there are claims to it regarding the clarity of raising questions. But over time, they will bring it back to normal, hone it. Not immediately Moscow was built. In addition, it allows children from the hinterland, without patronage and money, but with knowledge to enter even prestigious universities. This plus more than compensates for the existing, temporary, cons.
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 21 January 2016 04: 25
            +1
            Is this an example of SPEAKING words? And what is wrong? And in the Soviet school, wasn’t there a pronunciation study? And judging by the comments on VO, so many commentators then taught Russian badly. And many, especially boys, admitted then that they would better learn mathematics with physics than Russian. There is nothing special about this. I, on the contrary, am not strong in the exact sciences, so I have a general idea, but everything is normal with the Russian, and now what? Not everyone can learn the same way. Although, of course, you need to know basic things. hi
          3. user
            user 21 January 2016 12: 05
            +1
            What scientific bird decided that I say so? further sounds (I don’t indicate softness): AGRAROTH, KLUF, DIDAFSCHINA, etc. what they learn and know


            When this epic with the Unified State Exam began, I became interested, everyone is against it, but it is moving forward (both at school and in universities), the answer turned out to be simple - "It is necessary to master about 30 billion rubles within the Garden Ring to develop curricula, curricula , curriculum standards, the development of a new generation of curricula, the transition to a two-tier education system ", and everything else was of no interest to anyone (This was in 2004). By the way, now we are talking about curricula for 4 generations, can you imagine how much money you have mastered during this time, and you are about some level of education.

            In principle, it is not necessary to abolish the Unified State Examination or the two-tier system of higher education, but it is necessary to revise the entire education system, with emphasis on modern realities. First, the school, and then the university, and in that order, and not as it is now, which focuses on short-term tasks.
        2. SNOW71
          SNOW71 20 January 2016 18: 38
          38
          There was also Astronomy. Now you don’t need it anymore. And the rockets began to hit the firmament of heaven.
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 18: 49
            45
            In our school, when I was just studying, they canceled ... the furry 90s were ... and our teacher (he taught physics, geometry, mathematics and algebra !!) every time min. 10 left from the main lesson and talked about the stars ... it was so interesting recourseHis name was Andrei Ayrapetovich Babunts, he made everything in his office with his own hands — there were different cards with lights, things for experiments, he even had a laser ... he was a bright teacher .. And his wife, Nelia Iosifovna, taught German ... when I The guys came to this school for 3 (!) years, they studied German, so she sat with me in the evenings for free after classes, so that I could catch up with my class. I didn’t take a dime ... That's what the Masters were, with a capital letter. I’ll already become an old stump soon, but I remember them smile
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 20 January 2016 21: 17
              16
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              These are the Masters who were capitalized.

              In blessed memory of my Physics teacher Valentina Ivanovna Bubnova and chemistry - Maria Ivanovna Ievleva.

              More than half a century ago, I taught chemistry and physics, and from my memory I spin the laws of Newton and the Avogadro number from my grandson. The fact that I am screwing - fives brings. Further - triples. I ask, why are you taught? And he says that they are not explained in the way that I and everything is incomprehensible ...

              In life, he did a lot of things - he fought, built ... Only physics never taught chemistry. Only thanks to its Masters - physics, chemistry, algebra-geometry, English ... And how did they hamper our knowledge that they have not been around for a long time, we ourselves think about the eternal more and more often, and do we remember the molecular-kinetic theory and the Pythagorean theorem?

              It is necessary to begin with the education of Teachers. And now, 3-year student historians of a pedagogical university do not know who G.K.Zhukov is. They say the writer ... am

              PS About the number of Avogadro he threatened his grandson that I’ll write a green note on his forehead. To forget how, he went to the mirror and remembered. Learned ...
            2. ASK505
              ASK505 21 January 2016 16: 41
              +1
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              His name was Andrei Ayrapetovich Babunts, he made everything in his office with his own hands — there were different cards with lights, things for experiments, he even had a laser ... he was a bright teacher .. And his wife, Nelia Iosifovna, taught German ... when I The guys came to this school for 3 (!) years, they studied German, so she sat with me in the evenings for free after classes, so that I could catch up with my class. I didn’t take a dime ... That's what the Masters were, with a capital letter. I’ll already become an old stump soon, but I remember them


              Such teachers have always been a rarity at all times. But they were bowed to them for their moral deed.
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        3. Bulrumeb
          Bulrumeb 20 January 2016 19: 51
          0
          I’ll tell you more: many teachers are different now (I know for sure, because my wife works at school)
        4. veteran66
          veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 06
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          All this is clearly worse, on average, than in the late USSR.

          You know, I often search for answers to various questions on the forums, and I noticed that the generation of students in the 70s and 80s made far more mistakes than modern youth. And the most failure is among students of the 90s, even with higher education. Ever wondered how these lieutenants did something at the school? And the point is not at all in the USE, but in the teachers.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2016 21: 11
            0
            Quote: veteran66
            students in the 70s - 80s make more mistakes than modern youth

            what are the errors?
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 20 January 2016 21: 21
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              what are the errors?

              syntax and punctuation
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2016 21: 37
                0
                this does not mean anything, no matter how much they tormented me, neither parents nor teachers could teach me
                In addition, there is another point - dialing into the blind and entering on the machine

                but the fact that now the norm is to say "I clean up" instead of cleaning it is a fact, although these are two different actions

                and in my time I write so in the composition a couple slapped
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 20 January 2016 23: 07
                  +7
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  now the norm is to say "I clean up" instead of cleaning it is a fact, although these are two different actions


                  “You promised to help me with the cleaning, but you yourself washed off somewhere!”
                  - I didn’t get away. I got out! laughing
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 07: 55
                    0
                    laughter laughter, and that’s the norm even in movies
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 22: 17
                      -1
                      Someone thinks that the expression "clean up" in relation to cleaning is normal ?!
            2. ASK505
              ASK505 21 January 2016 16: 44
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              what are the errors?


              For example, in that the beginning of a sentence is capitalized. This is the beginning of all beginnings.
          2. Sinecote
            Sinecote 20 January 2016 22: 34
            +6
            Enough of you to scold the teachers. All children are geniuses and angels. They send teachers with three letters, but they cannot do anything to them. The rules are as follows. Of course, teachers will not be interested in their work. This is one of the reasons for illiteracy.
            1. ASK505
              ASK505 21 January 2016 16: 49
              +1
              Quote: Sinecote
              Enough of you to scold the teachers. All children are geniuses and angels. They send teachers with three letters, but they cannot do anything to them. The rules are as follows. Of course, teachers will not be interested in their work. This is one of the reasons for illiteracy.


              Children do not go to the subject in the audience, they go to the individual. There is a personality - there is interest in the subject. No personality - no interest in the subject. From here they send to the anatomical address. There are a lot of random people at school.
          3. Belgorod
            Belgorod 21 January 2016 01: 09
            +5
            I will add
            Daughter studied 1994-2004, niece 1997-2007
            Daughter - the wife asked me to work out in physics. The textbook gives the problem, and the formulas in the next paragraph.
            Tribe -3 class. Ten adults read the paragraph and cannot understand the meaning.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 21 January 2016 12: 01
              +5
              Quote: Belgorod
              Tribe -3 class. Ten adults read the paragraph and cannot understand the meaning.

              Two crocodiles flew - one green, the other to the right. How old is the hedgehog? laughing
              1. aleksey980
                aleksey980 21 January 2016 22: 42
                +1
                1. From zero to infinity.
                3. More than eight.
                These are still flowers. When reading some tasks, you don’t know at all whether to cry or laugh.
              2. hrough
                hrough 21 January 2016 23: 23
                +2
                Look also at task number 5. I read it three times - I was looking for a catch.
          4. forest park 86
            forest park 86 22 January 2016 12: 40
            0
            And why should the military know the rules of the Russian language?
        5. Sober
          Sober 20 January 2016 20: 42
          +7
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          most do not know in what era Jeanne d'Arc and others lived.

          Yes, okay, Joan of Arc! Lenin, Zhukov, Griboyedov! Our closest history! Even V.O.V. unknown to them!
          I check the lessons with the pupils. They are studying classics, according to a book with a brief summary of the works! And so they pass the exams!
        6. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 January 2016 21: 03
          11
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          The level has really fallen. Modern school graduates differ (according to a relative working in a university) in the following:

          I can't even talk about all these USE, Fursenkov, Livanovs, about the fact that Hitler had a name Napoleon, about the fact that Zyuganov was President of the USSR until 2003, about "tsya" and "tsya" - evil is not enough! His wife works at the university — news every day, [cenzored]! I’ve already stopped laughing, on the contrary - I could have known - I would have cried ...

          The horror of the situation is that in 15-20 years THESE will lead the country !!!!
        7. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2016 21: 03
          +3
          Quote: Looking Petrovich
          The level has really fallen.

          and what do you want, on this very site a month ago, one of the participants in the discussion provided by the teacher said that you do not need to know how to write "zhi" "shi" they say the computer will now fix everything
        8. Sinecote
          Sinecote 20 January 2016 21: 22
          +6
          My mother works as a teacher at school. I know a lot from her words. So, I’ll tell you more. Not all children know where Africa is! Almost no one can clearly articulate thoughts. I checked my students' works for my mother: I wanted to laugh and cry at the same time.
          The entire education system must be changed, not only the exam. And in this exam, another extreme. In the main exam, in Russian, a lot of points are given for the correct understanding of the problem of a quotation or text. Works are checked by people. There is a human factor. They decide: did you understand the problem correctly or not. This choice can be influenced by authority, money, etc. The best kind of exam: answer-question. Not tests. Such questions should be the only correct answers. This requires a single standard. It will take time and money, but otherwise our children will continue to grow illiterate.
        9. Yarik
          Yarik 21 January 2016 06: 28
          +1
          Chronically they cannot correctly put "b" in the endings "tsya" and "tsya".

          On the site, too, many suffer from this. wink
        10. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 21 January 2016 06: 59
          +2
          To educate a skilled consumer you don’t need to know all this. laughing
        11. ilyinval61
          ilyinval61 21 January 2016 08: 58
          +1
          1. I do not want to scold.
          2.Is this not Ulan-Ude?
          3. Jeanne d'Arkuzarova. This is my favorite to sing.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 January 2016 17: 32
            +1
            Quote: ilyinval61
            1. I do not want to scold.
            2.Is this not Ulan-Ude?
            3. Jeanne d'Arkuzarova. This is my favorite to sing.

            good The second paragraph was mistaken, dear. The capital of Mongolia is Genghis Khan. laughing And so - everything is correct ...

            Bet laughing , otherwise the people will not understand sarcasm, they will fill up with "sticks" ...
          2. aleksey980
            aleksey980 22 January 2016 00: 16
            0
            Quote: ilyinval61
            1. I do not want to scold.
            2.Is this not Ulan-Ude?
            3. Jeanne d'Arkuzarova. This is my favorite to sing.


            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Genghis Khan


            So many mistakes done !!!
            Pralny potsons write "wanting" and pivitz. laughing
            Who is Genghis Khan and Nafik to us, the capital of some sort of mangolia cathode, where is tama, probably in Africa, catholic ischo further laughing
      2. Civil
        Civil 20 January 2016 19: 07
        +9
        It’s necessary to turn the neck of corruption in education ... It’s just hell now.
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 20 January 2016 19: 24
        12
        Well, finally sober thoughts about the future of our country. And not in the yellow press, but at the level of the State Duma. I wish you, Roman Ivanovich, that your colleagues in the State Duma, who need only an obedient herd, and not an educated people, will not trample your initiative.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 30
          +2
          And who ever came up with this exam?
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 20 January 2016 20: 03
            15
            Dear Dr. Bormental, I answer your question.
            In 1929, Edison announced a nationwide contest for the title of "America's smartest schoolboy." Of the 49 students who reached the finals, 16-year-old W. Houston won. For the victory, he received a scholarship to continue his education at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Subsequently, W. Houston became one of the leaders of NASA. In general, put the crosses in the boxes of the test and become president.
            It is interesting that our famous popularizer of science Ya. I. Perelman translated and published in a separate book the physical and mathematical problems from this competition. In the preface, he wrote that "they are not particularly intricate and are quite feasible for our most middle-aged students." In short - know the multiplication table and you will be a genius.
            This was the ideological beginning of the exam. But I must say that in such a stupid form as ours, the Unified State Examination does not exist in any country in the world. The authorities of the vast majority of countries, nevertheless, understand that a country raising an obedient herd instead of a people has no future.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 20: 06
              +1
              Thank you for the information, Comrade Reserve Officer. hi
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        3. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 20 January 2016 21: 22
          0
          Unfortunately, the majority in the State Duma will do what comes out of the bowels of the Ministry of Education .. I think and consider it fair to keep the salaries of bureaucrats from this department (all the more so because the Labor Code for them and the Duma deputies that the diploma is diploma ..) So far, it’s not known from the Ministry of Education what become the Ministry of Education ..
      4. barsik92090
        barsik92090 20 January 2016 19: 31
        +8
        The Duma will be able to justify its mission if it abolishes the USE and investigates who personally pushed this system in Russia, excommunicating these "figures" for life from the opportunity to rule in the state.
      5. barsik92090
        barsik92090 20 January 2016 19: 31
        +3
        The Duma will be able to justify its mission if it abolishes the USE and investigates who personally pushed this system in Russia, excommunicating these "figures" for life from the opportunity to rule in the state.
      6. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 20 January 2016 20: 18
        -7
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        And the Soviet form of education

        And what, in fact, will change? In Soviet years, places were sold in Soviet universities and are now being sold. In the Soviet years, patronage and family ties played a huge role, and today everything is the same. My granddaughter is preparing for the quick exams and is not going crazy with this exam. Children need to prepare for exams from early on! And all will be well.
        children from this system only get dull, become dizzy, and most importantly they even commit suicide.

        Really there was nothing of the kind in the USSR. Did graduates go to exams with great joy? And then it was not customary to write about suicide.

        And the question is backfill. When did education in the USSR become free? It is unlikely that there will be those who remember this.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 20 January 2016 20: 49
          +9
          Eugene, I do not know how with a higher education, but with a secondary I know.
          According to the parents, tuition fees in high school were canceled in the 1956 year. My father was born in 1935, my mother in 1937. Higher education was free of charge.
          Me too. It was just enough to score 24 points from the 25 possible when passing the entrance exams at MVTU im. N.E.Bauman in the 1978 year. To me, a boy from the outback of the Magadan region, to enter, receive a scholarship and a hostel. True, an 19,5 score was enough for Muscovites ...
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 20 January 2016 21: 43
            -4
            Quote: Reserve officer
            True, 19,5 points were enough for Muscovites

            Thus, you yourself claim that there are inequalities between students. As they said in the USSR, everyone was equal, but someone was necessarily more equal than others.
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 20 January 2016 22: 04
              +8
              Eugene, not like that. The points for admission were different simply because Muscovites did not need a dormitory and a scholarship.
              And this, unfortunately, had to be taken into account. But there was no corruption that you are hinting at. There were additional arguments - sports categories and titles, prizes of mathematical and physical Olympiads, diplomas of physics and mathematics schools, etc. But not bribes.
              Received Muscovites fed parents. It was enough to open a refrigerator at home and eat. But the scholarships were not enough for food. There was no talk of a rented apartment.
              But there was a loophole. Station Moscow-Ryazan-Commodity. 60 rubles were paid for unloading the car. Six students unloaded him per night. So the result is 10 rubles per night per person. Cosmic money.
              So after admission we lived classy. But for some reason nobody was attracted to rented apartments. Lived in truly one friendly commune. I recall with pleasure.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 21 January 2016 10: 57
                0
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Muscovites did not need a dormitory or a scholarship.

                Please, just not so. No one has ever refused an extra penny. And with housing, too, everyone strives to live closer to the place of study, so as not to waste extra time on movement.
                A passing score is an attempt to simply weed out the unnecessary contingent.
                Quote: Reserve officer
                prizes of mathematical and physical Olympiads, diplomas of physics and mathematics schools, etc.

                And now the granddaughter is collecting these diplomas, probably five years already, if not more. Although, as I know, she has kept all the beautiful pieces of paper since the first grade. And she goes to all kinds of exams like to a store, for ice cream.
                Children should be prepared for this by their parents!
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 20 January 2016 23: 10
              +2
              Quote: Hedgehog
              As they said in the USSR, everyone was equal, but someone was necessarily more equal than others.


              This was said only by dissidents - the common people had nowhere to know this phrase! A quote from Orwell, and for the storage of his books "ducat" was given right away!
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        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2016 21: 13
          -2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          In Soviet years, places were sold in Soviet universities and are now sold

          yes it was, but it related to naughty yuofak and eddim
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 20 January 2016 21: 45
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            yes it was, but it related to naughty yuofak and eddim

            And medicine, especially dentistry, gynecology?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2016 22: 39
              0
              Well, only if the gears, I doubt about gynecology
              but narkhoz this was klundike
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 21 January 2016 10: 46
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Well, only if the gears, I doubt about gynecology

                Not so much "gear" as insertion of teeth! And almost all dentists were eager for prosthetics, surgery was like a temporary occupation for them. And this is working with precious metals!
                And regarding gynecology, I don’t know, maybe this is not a hot commodity in the capital, but a huge number of all kinds of delivery options, are they telling you something?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 12: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Not so much "gear" as insertion of teeth!

                  faculty in my opinion one
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 12: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  but a huge number of all kinds of delivery options, are they talking about something?

                  nothing, with the union of private clinics was not
                3. Qubi
                  Qubi 21 January 2016 17: 46
                  +1
                  "furrowing", "klandike", work with precious metals - deep knowledge of the subject and respect for people of another profession. Maybe this is also the result of the exam?
                  When prosthetics with precious metals, it is not the doctor who works, but the dental technician.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 22: 21
                    0
                    I graduated from school in the Soviet Union 43, I don’t have any respect for people of another profession, apparently, in principle, you are not a topic doctor is still related to precious metals and I know this firsthand from communicating with these same doctors
      7. Sober
        Sober 20 January 2016 20: 38
        +5
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        And the Soviet form of education!

        Exactly. Cancel it a little! But, the EDUCATION system is destroyed! And you have to create, almost anew. Those who were educated in those years are still alive. Maybe there is still hope?
      8. phantom
        phantom 21 January 2016 20: 15
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        In his opinion, “it is necessary to return the former form of state final certification”.

        And the Soviet form of education!

        To do this, it is necessary to revive production, to recreate the socio-economic system. But all these are slogans, in modern realities this cannot be achieved, therefore the USE is not someone’s whim, but the need for reform.
      9. Ivan Ivanovich
        Ivan Ivanovich 22 January 2016 10: 05
        0
        And to raise teachers in a rank, and that already completely lowered below a plinth ...
      10. kit-kat
        kit-kat 22 January 2016 10: 20
        0
        There is an opinion that the Soviet form of education is very expensive. The USSR could afford it, because it was important to have a literate population to achieve the declared goals. And now we have capitalism - we need consumers. And high officials are not ready to share "their" money with the people.
        1. aleksey980
          aleksey980 22 January 2016 11: 09
          0
          Yeah. Now it is called, like any meanness, in fashionable words, such as "cost optimization".
      11. Blondy
        Blondy 23 January 2016 04: 46
        +1
        That is, before abolishing the USE, it is necessary to abolish the current education system and revive on a Soviet basis.
    2. forester
      forester 20 January 2016 18: 15
      27
      Quote: shooter18
      Some children have a habit of thinking - one of the goals of education is to rid them of it.

      So for this, they gave 50 million over the hill
      1. shooter18
        shooter18 20 January 2016 18: 17
        19
        they didn’t just give money, but also printed books and handed out free of charge in schools .. moreover, they created a whole fund of soros ..
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 20 January 2016 18: 34
          11
          The books are really ugly .. Actually, the claim is not to the Unified State Exam itself, but to the fact that how and how to teach, the school turned from an educational and educational institution into a lecture hall .. And for books of the Soros Foundation there is a worthy use of raw materials for pipipax ..
          Quote: shooter18
          they didn’t just give money, but also printed books and handed out free of charge in schools .. moreover, they created a whole fund of soros ..
      2. Boos
        Boos 20 January 2016 18: 17
        17
        - "Fear the Danes, who bring gifts ..."
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 20 January 2016 18: 31
          17
          Quote: Boos
          - "Fear the Danes, who bring gifts ..."

          You wrote this saying very well ... Education is the basis of the state, and in the days of the USSR it was perfectly understood! And it was not for nothing that one of the first decrees of the Soviet government was "The fight against illiteracy" ... Everyone was trained from young to old and according to our system (as it later turned out, the best in the world) The first satellite, the first man in space, the first orbital station and etc .... and even now the real specialists are from those times!
          And now "find the right answer .." ugh damn it! am I always thought that the real EXAM was direct communication with the teacher ... It immediately understood what you were standing for (even if the ticket was complicated and you didn’t learn it exactly) ...
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 20 January 2016 19: 06
            -2
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I always thought that the real EXAM was direct communication with the teacher ... It immediately understood what you were standing for (even if the ticket was complicated and you didn’t learn it exactly) ...

            Yes Yes! And when you "stand" a lot, then when you enter a Moscow university you don't have to say anything at all during the exam. And so it is clear that he is worthy of enrollment, especially when the rector prompts.
            The USE is just a form of certification. And if knowledge has not been laid in 11 years, then the Soviet exam or the USE - what's the difference? And the children are stupid because the parents hit their wages and have a rest from earning, and they "beat" their children. And Khudyakov, it seems, is a first-rate rogue, he knows what to lobby for. The entire Moscow administration is fighting for the old privileges - the ability to personally decide who can study and who cannot. Today, you can write with the USE once and submit documents to several universities with these materials without additional exams. And suicides are more likely to give rise to dozens of exams and unfair screenings, and even the weak psyche of children, when dust particles are blown off them all the way, and even the garbage is not allowed to be removed after themselves. The Unified State Exam, of course, is not a panacea, but the leapfrog with reforms is also time to end. You just need to get carried away with your children, and not just the process of their conception.
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 22
              +4
              Quote: ARES623
              And if knowledge has not been laid for 11 years, then the Soviet exam or the exam - what's the difference?

              sorry that I can put only one plus. Unified state examination is criticized only by lazy teachers, stupid parents and mediocrity students. And the USE equalizes everyone in the right to enter a university. How can an intelligent child from the hinterland, not having extra money to travel from Siberia to St. Petersburg or Moscow, risk taking the exam at a prestigious university without external support? Russia is not only Moscow before the Moscow Ring Road
              1. hrough
                hrough 20 January 2016 22: 25
                +7
                Quote: veteran66
                And the USE equalizes everyone in the right to enter a university.

                USE assesses the ability memorize knowledge, not their ability assimilate. Now they don’t learn to study at school.
                1. ARES623
                  ARES623 21 January 2016 00: 05
                  0
                  Quote: urch
                  The exam measures the ability to remember knowledge, not the ability to absorb it. Now they don’t learn to study at school.

                  In order to remember something, you must at least read the material. After reading the brain, if it is physically present, it will do everything it can with this material. There is another problem at school, "children of the 90s" come there. And if you add to this compote the lack of rights of the teacher in front of an immature bandit and a parent who does not care, then the picture will turn out to be depressing. And teaching to learn is not the task of the school, or rather the task of not the school, but the parent. Only some for some reason think that children should be needed more by other people's aunts-teachers, and not by their parents. We, parents, enjoyed it, and now you (kindergarten, school, army, institute) disentangle them and make them people with a capital letter, competitive specialists. And we (the parents) will sit on the sidelines, and on occasion we will shit on your jacket for slowness. For some reason, the field of education is considered one of those where full d.d.i.l., making five mistakes in the word "mom", in which the word "logic" is associated only with the name of the store, pull on the functions of an expert and judges. Paradox...
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 21 January 2016 00: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: ARES623
                    There is another problem at school, "children of the 90s" come there

                    Do not confuse anything? I have a daughter in 1990 - she is 26 now, she graduated from school in 2007. Those who were born in 1999 are now 16, at least ..

                    Quote: ARES623
                    to learn to learn is not the task of the school, or rather the task of not the school, but the parent

                    Well, I don’t know .. we were taught exactly at school (and after). What I still live, no matter the day, then something new .. Parents, essno, helped .. how could yes
                  2. hrough
                    hrough 21 January 2016 14: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: ARES623
                    In order to remember something, you must at least read the material. After reading the brain, if it is physically present, will do everything that it is capable of with this material.
                    The key word here is "is able to". You can read the material 10 times and remember without understanding anything. (I learned poetry at school without really delving into their meaning.) And after passing the exam, the brain sends this knowledge to the backyard, because it has no idea what to do it with this material and it turns out - I passed for 5, but you don't know anything.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 15: 31
                      0
                      Quote: urch
                      And it turns out - I passed it by 5, but you don’t know anything.

                      err in the brain all is left one
                      1. hrough
                        hrough 21 January 2016 20: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        err in the brain all is left one

                        In the brain, in general, everything that we saw, heard, read in our life remains. But can we all remember ... I don’t remember the poems that I taught at school. And you?
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2016 22: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: urch
                        But can we all remember ...

                        often not, but if necessary, recovery is easier than re-exploring
                      3. hrough
                        hrough 21 January 2016 23: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        often not, but if necessary, recovery is easier than re-exploring
                        for those who are "in the subject" - YES. Those who "did not enter" do not care.
              2. hrough
                hrough 21 January 2016 14: 30
                0
                Quote: ARES623
                And to learn to study is not the task of the school, or rather the task is not of the school, but of the parent.

                Why then do you need a school at all? Give information on a particular subject? So for this it is not necessary to go to school.

                ARES623
                There is another problem at school, "children of the 90s" come there

                Cat man null
                Do not confuse anything? I have a daughter in 1990 - she is 26 now, she graduated from school in 2007. Those who were born in 1999 are now 16, at least ..

                Ares meant that they didn’t learn to come, but to teach ...
  • vlad66
    vlad66 20 January 2016 18: 18
    25
    The matter is very necessary and good, but in our country it will either be blabbed or canceled by Khudyakov himself. requestI will add that if in the first years of Soviet power the main goal was the elimination of illiteracy, now literacy is being eliminated. hi
  • R150
    R150 20 January 2016 18: 35
    14
    the exam system is also screening of the poor,
    to get a high score it is necessary to solve type C problems, at school they do not give material on these problems, "hire tutors".
    followed by an institute, budgetary places at least, again screenings, so “we are building a liberal-democratic society.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 21 January 2016 07: 21
      +1
      Quote: R150
      the exam system is also screening of the poor,
      to get a high score it is necessary to solve type C problems, at school they do not give material on these problems, "hire tutors".

      Delirium and justification of their own inactivity. I myself live in a city of forty thousand, the nearest millionaire is 1000 km away, no lyceums, major gymnasiums, special schools at universities. Normal children do without "dancing" with tutors. Judging from personal experience. He brought the senior to Ph.D. without any additional financial investments at all, the youngest studies - 4500 a year for an art school + 3600 a month for additional foreign languages, although in principle there are free forms on the Internet and even with native speakers. To top it off, read the Federal Law on Education, and if you feel that you are not being "given", write to the Education Department or the President, very efficiently and simply. Alcohol does not flow under the lying pilot :)))))
      1. R150
        R150 21 January 2016 09: 11
        +1
        I write what I see, who is gaining a high score and due to what.
        teachers openly talk about tutors and the fact that complex and high-complexity tasks are not included in the school curriculum.
        and change the tone, I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft.
      2. R150
        R150 21 January 2016 09: 11
        0
        I write what I see, who is gaining a high score and due to what.
        teachers openly talk about tutors and the fact that complex and high-complexity tasks are not included in the school curriculum.
        and change the tone, I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 21 January 2016 14: 53
          0
          Quote: R150
          teachers openly talk about tutors and the fact that complex and high-complexity tasks are not included in the school curriculum.
          and change the tone, I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft.

          I don’t invite you into drinking companions. Offense is your right. Essentially: there are also schools where the geographer also conducts physics and physical education. But this is already moving from the category of rules to exceptions. But there are also parents who in the last half of the 11th grade recall that the child needs to be shoved somewhere, and the child himself does not know what to put him on. Then, the race for tutors begins, and some teachers, in search of additional earnings, undertake to provide such services, moreover, actively and with interest. If you take up career guidance two or three years before graduation, at least in principle, humanities or the exact sciences, then it is quite possible to successfully study without tutors. You can ask the same teachers about what was received in previous issues. In short, the whole question is in an active interest in the fate of the child, somehow ...
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  • tol100v
    tol100v 20 January 2016 18: 41
    +9
    Quote: shooter18
    Some children have a habit of thinking

    Stanislav Lem in "The Magellanic Cloud" said: (with accuracy it can be correlated with the Unified State Exam): - "... He, in addition, will tell us how to wean our subjects from thinking, because thinking people are reluctant to die for the glory of our gold." Much has already been said on the subject of the Unified State Exam and the intoxication of students. And the sooner our Ministry of False Education cancels exams in the form of fortune telling by cards, the better it will be for Russia!
  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 20 January 2016 18: 53
    +6
    well, everything is right, who pays the girl and dances her. For 50 lemons, greens bought something that is destructive for our children, and therefore they do not cancel EG because greens have to be returned because it was given under a special program for the collapse of Russian education.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 20 January 2016 19: 05
    0
    Quote: shooter18
    Some children have a habit of thinking - one of the goals of education is to rid them of it.

    Recently I read the news that the option of switching to 12-year school education is being considered. I studied for 10 years (there was no 4th grade), now they are studying for 11 years, and they are going to do 12. Thus, they will finish school at 18.
  • maiman61
    maiman61 20 January 2016 19: 46
    +1
    Enemies of Russia stand against the Unified State Examination! They need to destroy capable young people. It’s no secret that it’s corny there are NO PENNIES for children to go to prestigious universities from Russian regions. Everyone knows that earlier, for each exam, thousands of dollars were paid for admission, and now from Mukhosk a capable child can go to Moscow State University, and not Moscow undergrowth.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 20 January 2016 23: 13
      +3
      Quote: maiman61
      Everyone knows that before each exam, thousands of dollars were paid for admission.


      And now they are paid for the correct answers to the exam!
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    3. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 21 January 2016 08: 15
      +1
      quote: Against EG are the enemies of Russia! maiman61! Yes, dear, it’s you and others like you who support the reforms of Russian school education leading our children to degradation. I am 71 years old and I studied at a Soviet school
      and I can assure you that at that time the people didn’t have thousands of bucks And they entered the prestigious universities of the country and passed normal exams from the periphery
      but guessing puzzles. Here's an example I'm asking a school graduate for a definition of what alternating current is. I haven’t received an intelligible answer. In Soviet-style schools there were physics and chemistry classrooms where experiments were conducted which aren’t right now, the story is generally distorted, the native language is Russian but you read their letters complete ignorance .Now about the corruption component, since now it has grown many times, given the increased number of families able to give a bribe.
    4. aleksey980
      aleksey980 22 January 2016 00: 39
      +1
      By the way, they are not so much against the principle of the Unified State Examination as a single block of exams, but against what it personifies, i.e. against its form and what this form pulls in the form of the results of "reforms". Nobody and nothing is a hindrance to talented children who want to learn, but there are very few of them, and the overwhelming majority of children, even smart and capable ones, need to be guided, because there is anything in their heads except study, but, nevertheless, they can.
      Generally:
      1. A single exam is a plus.
      2. Its form is minus.
      3. What, why and how they began to teach is complete [censorship].
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 21 January 2016 00: 44
    +3
    Quote: shooter18
    Some children have a habit of thinking
    - And the exam is inherently a guessing game. Teachers in high school are busy coaching children to get the right answers. So many graduates - excellent students, in essence, are complete cramps. I know such "geniuses" in life - one even works as a TEACHER in a sailor. Just like he did in his youth, he forces the cadets to cram topics, not having the mind to explain them in detail.
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 21 January 2016 09: 39
    +1
    Quote: shooter18
    Some children have a habit of thinking - one of the goals of education is to rid them of it.

    It is high time that the Unified State Examination gets rid of otherwise, such scientists as Korolev, Sakharov, we will end!
  • Skif83
    Skif83 21 January 2016 15: 27
    0
    But weren't these deputies, including those who KNOWED that
    back in 2002, the government of the Russian Federation took a loan of almost $ 50 million from the World Bank for this very reform of education, and already in 2003 the application of the unified state examination was introduced experimentally, which still does not work ...
    "Help" that world behind the scenes to accelerate the transformation of our youth into stupid draft animals?
    Something neither the LDPR nor the EP did not speak in the previous elections and after that they demanded to abolish the USE.
    Do not fuck with populism, they would all have shovels in their hands and on people's construction sites for a "people's" salary !!!
  • shooter18
    shooter18 22 January 2016 17: 23
    0
    Hmm ... the topic really has a huge public interest ... I hope our leaders will someday get to what we're talking about here !!!
  • AM10101946
    AM10101946 23 January 2016 08: 42
    0
    It is long overdue to replace the Unified State Examination with the Soviet system of training and exams, students will guess the answers instead of solving the questions posed in exams, and the same thing in the lessons, Fursenko needs to be driven with HIS team !!!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 January 2016 18: 10
    +7
    I have long said that this nonsense must be abolished, as Medvedev himself proposed, a navel of land.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 20 January 2016 18: 12
      +5
      Khudyakov is an intelligent uncle. If my schoolchild had an exam or a test case canceled. I would respect that. Campaign calculated how soon voters will grow.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 20 January 2016 18: 47
        +5
        Quote: keel 31
        If my schoolchild had an exam or a test case canceled. I would respect



        So after all, he suggests just introducing normal exams instead of the Unified State Exam ... And then the question is - do modern graduates respect him ...
    2. zao74
      zao74 20 January 2016 20: 08
      +3
      I said a long time ago that this nonsense should be abolished
      100500 times - YES !!! I communicate with the eldest and understand - I missed a lot. He can name a dozen reference points, and not a single hero of the USSR or Russia. That is modern education.
  • ordinary
    ordinary 20 January 2016 18: 10
    11
    God forbid all the deputies to see clearly .. EGE - evil!
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 20 January 2016 18: 40
      +4
      Not to see clearly, but to wake up and finally go to work .. The Labor Code does not work for them .. And cancel the salary for the Ministry of Education (anyway they started to use the code) So far it’s not known from education what they will transfer to EDUCATION ...
      Quote: ordinary
      God forbid all the deputies to see clearly .. EGE - evil!
  • Petrof
    Petrof 20 January 2016 18: 11
    +6
    yes it's time
    return old exam form
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 32
      0
      It's time, you Petrof, go to lieutenant colonels smile hi
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  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 20 January 2016 18: 12
    +6
    USE in Literature and History is .....
    1. The black
      The black 20 January 2016 19: 59
      +4
      HERE! I AGREE! The exam in literature and history is .... but, for example, in mathematics, physics (in general, the exact sciences) - this is normal ..... The question is about the exam; good or bad, in my humble opinion it’s very controversial ... There are pros and cons in all aspects, but if you approach only from the standpoint of assessing knowledge, then I AM FOR the USE in assessing the exact sciences and AGAINST in literature, history, social science .. ..
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 January 2016 18: 12
    +9
    So it must be changed to the very exams that have been canceled! And who will retrain teachers? It was a powerful diversion. Education and ideology are the basis of the foundations of the state. If there is order with this, then the state cannot be minimized either.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 20 January 2016 18: 41
      11
      There is no need to worry about "retraining teachers". 60-70 percent of the teaching staff are aged 40 and over. They have not forgotten the Soviet school yet, and 30-40 percent will retrain in one academic year, because in the Soviet system there was NOT so much moronicism.
      I am a teacher. Experience of 23 years. lost 3 years of service in the 90s to feed his family. I know what I'm saying.
    2. cap
      cap 21 January 2016 01: 52
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So it must be changed to the very exams that have been canceled! And who will retrain teachers? It was a powerful diversion. Education and ideology are the basis of the foundations of the state. If there is order with this, then the state cannot be minimized either.


      A social request for education would put everything in its place.
      What a Russian citizen should know and be able to do at the end of school, vocational school, institute. Whom the state wants to see tomorrow at the machine or in the laboratory.
      Hence what are the textbooks, mat. base, frames. All along the chain.
      How much money will be required for this.
      So far, as in Krylov’s fable. About musicians. Everyone is trying to play. Only the notes have been distributed from another opera. You have to write your notes and the musicians invited to refuse. That's something like that.
      That is if we want to listen to Russian music.
  • raid14
    raid14 20 January 2016 18: 14
    11
    The words are not of a boy, but of a husband, but who will give to cancel the "Russian education reform" for their money, the West, too smart Russians are not needed, they ask uncomfortable questions.
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 20 January 2016 18: 16
    +7
    Lord! Well, did it really come to "our" servants of the people that the Ministry of Education should be dispersed? and the government would not hurt to fur!
  • forester
    forester 20 January 2016 18: 18
    +9
    Not only the exam should be canceled, but most of the programs of the Soviet education system must be returned
  • SMICKER
    SMICKER 20 January 2016 18: 19
    +3
    The approach to obtaining knowledge has changed, therefore, exams must be carried out taking into account these criteria. And yet, it is necessary to build such a system for obtaining and monitoring the knowledge gained, which will not have to be changed in a couple of years! Could Minobru do this?
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 20 January 2016 18: 50
      13
      Minobrazin - to eliminate as unnecessary and to save. A fairly compact department with a staff of 10-20 people from the faculty.
      On the ground, destroy all these "oblano, krayono, gorono ..." They are also DESERT, producing stupid "work" (reporting !!!!!!!). Enough COUNCIL of directors of schools and other educational institutions in cities and regions.
      Saving - Crazy! Ah, good sea!
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 20 January 2016 19: 42
        -2
        It seems to me that you are not a Teacher, if you consider almost all the people who are above you in the ranks to be incompetent, useless and even harmful. Although, now it is really better to chop cabbage on your own and unaccountable, rather than bother with reports, plans, and notes.
        1. dr. sem
          dr. sem 21 January 2016 10: 25
          +3
          It seems - be baptized. I had to work as deputy director. Faced such things that hair stand on end. Foolishness splashes over the edge. Maybe it suits someone, but certainly not the teacher.
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 21 January 2016 11: 38
            0
            But your previous comment cries out - "What is there to propose? .. And then they write, write ... Congress, some Germans ... my head swells! Take everything, and share ..." how educational institutions will financially rise if they are given independence! Starting from kindergartens, and what and who will be taught there? Walfdorf (I'm talking about them different from the general training system) is resting!
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 56
      +1
      Why has this approach suddenly changed? Books faded, font unreadable? Maybe everyone just wants to become managers, and there knowledge is not particularly needed? In childhood, I wanted to become a pilot, and my niece (10 years old) says I want to be a hairdresser. I almost killed ... smile
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  • Koshak
    Koshak 20 January 2016 18: 21
    +1
    This seems to be not the first initiative of Mr. Khudyakova? I remember he was already offering something ...


    perebezhchik.ru/person/khudyakov-roman-ivanovich/
  • 31rus
    31rus 20 January 2016 18: 24
    +1
    dear, where do you live? Putin said the EC justified itself and the reform will continue, what other questions
  • Viktortopwar
    Viktortopwar 20 January 2016 18: 25
    +2
    Quote: ordinary
    God forbid all the deputies to see clearly .. EGE - evil!

    And then the deputies are blind. They are simply interested party.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 20 January 2016 18: 26
    +3
    Biography

    Khudyakov Roman Ivanovich was born on January 28, 1977 in Tiraspol, in a family of workers.

    Roman Khudyakov graduated from school No. 11, after which he served in the Peacekeeping Forces of the Russian Federation in Transnistria.

    From 2006 to 2011, Roman Khudyakov was the director of Pridnestrovie Trading House LLC, in addition, from 2008 to 2011 - the director of Feron LLC.

    In January 2009, Khudyakov was elected a member of the Board of Trustees of the public organization "Physical Culture and Sports Society" Dynamo - Zakon "".

    In August 2010, by order of the Minister of Defense of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic, Khudyakov was awarded the military rank of "senior lieutenant".

    In 2011, Roman Khudyakov graduated from the Moscow Institute of Management and Service, receiving the qualification "manager" with a degree in organization management.

    In 2013, Khudyakov received another higher education at the Institute of History, State and Law of PSU named after I. T.G. Shevchenko with a degree in history.




    Policy

    In April 2002, Khudyakov was elected chairman of the Coordination Council of the Public Movement "Eurasian Union of Pridnestrovians".

    In July 2003 Khudyakov headed the republican public movement "LDPR of Transnistria", and in 2004 he became the leader of the republican youth organization.

    In August 2006, the "Liberal Democratic Party of Transnistria" received the status of a political party, and Roman Khudyakov was elected its chairman. In October 2006, Khudyakov headed the movement "Union of Russians and Compatriots in Transnistria".

    Since 2004, Roman Khudyakov has been in the cage of Vladimir Zhirinovsky. He was repeatedly appointed deputy assistant and confidant of presidential candidate Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

    From 2005 to 2006, Khudyakov worked as an assistant to deputy Sergei Ivanov.

    In 2006, Roman Khudyakov was elected as a deputy of the city Council of People’s Deputies of the city of Tiraspol, where he was appointed deputy chairman of the commission on public education, social policy, work with public organizations and the media.

    In December 2007, Khudyakov was elected Chairman of the Coordinating Council of Public Associations and Political Parties of Transnistria.

    On November 2, 2011, Roman Khudyakov was appointed Advisor to the Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic. He stayed at the post for several months.

    December 4, 2011 Khudyakov took part in the election of deputies of the State Duma on the list of LDPR from the Pskov region, but did not get a seat in the State Duma.

    In May 2012, the LDPR faction in the State Duma decided to transfer the mandate of deputy Alexei Ostrovsky to Roman Khudyakov, who became governor of the Smolensk region. In the State Duma, Khudyakov received the post of member of the State Duma committee on affairs of the Commonwealth of Independent States and relations with compatriots.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 20 January 2016 18: 26
    +3
    Scandals

    During his political activities in the Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublika, Roman Khudyakov was repeatedly found guilty of insulting neighbors in his place of residence and threats with the use of weapons. For example, while renting an apartment in Tiraspol, according to the statements of its owner (a pensioner) in local media, he "insulted her, did not pay the rent, and after leaving the rented premises, he broke furniture and damaged the electrical wiring." The victims of Khudyakov's actions repeatedly wrote complaints to the head of the LDPR, Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

    On November 21, 2012, at a meeting of the State Duma, Roman Khudyakov frightened his fellow deputies by showing them a stylized pistol - "flash drive", thereby demonstrating "the need to legalize short-barreled weapons."

    In July 2013, deputy Roman Khudyakov was beaten by the Dagestanis during a traffic conflict in the evening. The deputy was injured and was hospitalized in an unconscious state, and the criminals were detained.

    In July 2014, Roman Khudyakov discovered pornography on a 100-ruble note. In his opinion, on the bill, which depicts the upper part of the facade of the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow, there is the figure of Apollo with his intimate parts of his body open to his eyes. And this, according to the deputy Khudyakov, falls under the letter of the law number 436-FZ "On the protection of children from harmful information."


    In this regard, the parliamentarian sent a letter to the chairman of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina in order to "change the design of the banknote or otherwise bring its issue in line with the norms of the current legislation."


    On March 10, 2015, Roman Khudyakov invited the State Duma to appeal to the head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu, with a request to introduce Russian peacekeepers to the Donbass. The parliamentarian said this during a plenary meeting.

    "The DPR and LPR have already asked Russia for help. I propose that the State Duma appeal to the Minister of Defense to consider the possibility of introducing Russian peacekeepers to Donbass in order to monitor the observance of the ceasefire and, of course, cool the ardor of Kiev. We must protect our brotherly people and, most most importantly, its boundaries "


    perebezhchik.ru/person/khudyakov-roman-ivanovich/
    1. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 20 January 2016 18: 35
      +4
      Quote: Koshak
      I propose the State Duma to appeal to the Minister of Defense to consider the possibility of introducing Russian peacekeepers

      It is a shame to be a deputy of the State Duma and not know that “the introduction of Russian peacekeepers into Donbass” is not the prerogative of the Minister of Defense. ”Such issues are in the exclusive competence of the President of Russia.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 20 January 2016 18: 53
      +6
      Quote: Koshak
      Biography



      Um ... Khudyakov suggested a thought like a sensible one, but after reading the material you presented, you can only say one thing - self-PR ...
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 20 January 2016 19: 38
        +4
        That's it! I am also against the exam, but the name of the deputy seemed familiar - and here is the result request
      2. veteran66
        veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        Khudyakov suggested a thought like sensible,

        as crazy as everyone else. In general, he is a typical "manager" and party functionary, judging by his biography.
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  • Uncle
    Uncle 20 January 2016 18: 28
    +3
    Tomorrow urgently call to the parent meeting, just for the exam, maybe we will vote or write a petition. We will see.
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  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 18: 29
    +2
    1. Oh, what a wise mister deputy.
    2. Oh, what a brave mister deputy.
    3. Glory to the Liberal Democratic Party!
    Pi..ry, how many people can twist everything possible?
  • Justxumuk
    Justxumuk 20 January 2016 18: 30
    +3
    Only with the abolition of the exam is it necessary to think through a transparent system of admission to universities, because no matter how bad the exam is, passing it at the proper level guarantees the possibility of admission to any university if you have enough points. And so again a fertile field for bribes will appear. With regard to corruption in the exam, it seems like they tightened it as much as possible, I personally did not have the opportunity to write off, not to mention buy the entire exam.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 28
      +6
      The exam didn’t set the checkboxes, but live communication with the teacher, who will be able to assess your knowledge, horizons of thinking, and not count the pluses and minuses stupidly. There will be no such thing - the whole system of our education will be bent, if it is not already bent.
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 36
        0
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        There will be no such thing - the whole system of our education will be bent, if it is not already bent.

        where does the exam and the education system? Education is a system of transferring knowledge from teacher to student and, most importantly (what we missed in our school), teaching a child how to obtain knowledge. The exam is just an assessment of this knowledge. So why is everyone fixated on this? Education is the basis, assessment is a superstructure.
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    3. Glafira
      Glafira 20 January 2016 21: 39
      +2
      Quote: Justxumuk
      I personally couldn’t write off the opportunity,

      Do you think it follows from the above that no one had such an opportunity?
      The prices for violating the USE protocol are significantly higher than former bribes in universities. Apparently, this is not your level. And if in the Russian provinces (besides the capital) - more or less order, and violations, in general, are not numerous, then in our southern regions the situation is different. It is no accident that NEVER publishes statistics on the subjects of the Russian Federation in the open press. You will never know where there are how many stobalniks, which% of the writers have more than 90 points in different subjects.
      Indirectly, you can draw conclusions about the situation with the Unified State Examination in the country by looking at the lists of accepted for free places in prestigious - economics, management, medicine - Moscow universities (you will not find it on the network either. Only at the stands at the institute). The national composition of public sector employees is very different from the statistical structure of the country.
      ps. I have been conducting the exam since the beginning of the experiment.
  • jPilot
    jPilot 20 January 2016 18: 34
    +3
    His words would be yes to God in the ears. The statement is not always good, but oh .. e. Can finally change their minds. My senior is passing this year. The result of the following observations is won only by teachers, by tutoring, taking a lot of money for it (a classmate said so directly to the question (the teacher)). Moreover, the son passed the so-called specialized profiles in physics and mathematics, so says almost nothing from the school curriculum. And he studied with me until the 8th grade without 4-ok. Further without 3-e, 4-o-c small on 2-3 m subjects.
    Under the USSR, when we graduated, the system of examinations was the best, for me personally the teachers, after a series of questions with the words "thinking", put 4's instead of 3, which came out on average.
    So LET HUDYAKOV, FORWARD HUDYAKOV almost the whole country looks at you with hope
    1. Glafira
      Glafira 20 January 2016 21: 59
      +3
      Quote: jPilot
      the son took samples in physics and mathematics, so-called specialized, so says almost nothing from the school curriculum.

      Mr. jPilot! Have you tried to evaluate the content of the school curriculum and USE tests? Not taking the word of the son on faith. Rarely will a schoolchild tell parents that an insufficiently good grade accurately evaluates his knowledge. Rather, someone will be to blame. Teacher. USE. Well, something else.
      I dare to assure you that in the specialized part of the exam there are only 1-2 tasks not from the school textbook, calculated (in mathematics / physics) for students in math classes. The developers suggest that some tasks can be correctly solved 1 person of 10 thousand writing. But this is the result for 90 points.
      At least half of the tasks in Part C are MANDATORY. And only according to the program. You can get up to 85 points.
      And yes, I am against the exam.
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 20 January 2016 18: 35
    +7
    Our children from this system are only getting dull, becoming foolish and, most importantly, even commit suicide.

    I don’t know about suicides, but they don’t bind two words together, that's for sure!
    I walk so all, and he, in short, is all of himself so pretentious "... (he heard, marveled)

    But the more stupid is the stupidity (to put it another way) of our officials from education.
    How can Russian literature and history be tested?
    These subjects should develop imaginative thinking, speech apparatus, the ability to analyze and state their thoughts, etc.

    I heard it right somewhere: in the Ministry of Education there are only impotents - they seem to have no children of their own.
  • gg.na
    gg.na 20 January 2016 18: 36
    +6
    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!! It is what it is!!! really, damn it, the odibilty of the young generation is going on, which later in life will not need anything other than to lead the existence of the animal. Eat, sleep, go to the toilet and sleep again. Dullness progresses among young animals! It’s absolutely necessary
    “It is necessary to return the previous form of state final certification.” good
    Well done damn deputy! And then the generation of dunduks will grow fool why partners from behind puddles will be indescribable wassat are happy good ! Do we need it ??! I think that No. no! And still it is necessary to cancel these lessons - classes on tolerance! What the hell are they sucking on to our kids for ?! I'm against!
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 20 January 2016 20: 40
      0
      Quote: gg.na
      And then the generation of dunduks will grow
      Excuse me, are you also a victim of the exam? You have errors by one. Is this the famous "former form of state final certification"? I wonder how much Russian they gave you there?
  • Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 20 January 2016 18: 41
    +3
    If the USE is canceled, then our liberals will come up with something new, fashionable and more modern on na-na \ technologies ...
    They won't let you go back to "normal textbooks" ...
  • veksha50
    veksha50 20 January 2016 18: 42
    +8
    "Our children from this system only grow dumb, stupid" ...

    Today, with a second-grader granddaughter, they taught a stupid, stupid rhyme of a certain Kharms .... The name "Volodya" was inserted, which is neither in the warehouse, nor in harmony, and in general, this Volodya for some reason ran into a hunter on a sled. beasts ...

    Our Barto, Marshak and many others are not quoted ... So in all the textbooks ... I don’t know how to be a granddaughter, and when I read her textbooks, I’m dumb and dumb ... And the child often does not understand what is being said in rhymes and moronic tales or puzzle conditions ...
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 21 January 2016 00: 54
      +1
      ..and I, I remember, explained my daughter's problem "on the fingers" .. The answer came together, and, most importantly, she was happy that she understood how to solve it.
      She comes home from school in tears: the teacher crossed out boldly, to the whole class and said, -We so don't decide ...
      It’s time to avenge the florist Chubais & Co for our children and grandchildren.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 21 January 2016 12: 29
        +1
        Imagine, they study, for example, the solution of equations with one unknown, and you are "on the fingers" of her actions. Of course, that's not how they decide.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 21 January 2016 16: 02
        0
        Quote: Tra-ta-ta
        We don’t decide that ...



        Hmm ... Everything is familiar ... I helped my granddaughter solve the problem - I got a banal bad mark ... When I started to deal with the teacher, I heard the same thing: "We don't solve THAT way" ...
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 18: 42
    +4
    It will not take off .... Not for that they broke everything and introduced the exam to suddenly change their minds and do as it was. But what about the "literate consumer"? God forbid you become an engineer or a scientist yet.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 20 January 2016 18: 51
    +7
    The USE is a well-planned and tactically competently conducted joint action by the NSA and the CIA against Russia. The action, which will very soon shoot at future generations. A good lesson to our special services ...
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 20 January 2016 18: 54
    +3
    The main thing is all the same people, that is, teachers who now provide educational services. And if that: hire a tutor, which, without a twinge of conscience, may itself be. In general, poorly taught, and this is the main cause of stress on the exam
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 January 2016 18: 58
    +2
    Now the State Department will declare Khudekov unapproachable in the United States, and the EU will cancel his visa for the fact that he has been tempted to sacrifice ...
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 20 January 2016 19: 00
    +3
    Last year, at the International Olympics for schoolchildren, ours in mathematics did not take a single prize place. It works, the result is on the face. At least hold a referendum?
  • crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 20 January 2016 19: 03
    +3
    About targeted destruction of the education system, which allowed our country to be truly the most reading country in the world, more than one hundred copies were broken. Maybe a thousand. But here’s the catch: can anyone immediately recall at least one IMPLEMENTED legislative initiative proposed by these clowns? Even if it has quite a healthy grain? I could not.
  • sergant67
    sergant67 20 January 2016 19: 04
    +5
    The education system introduced by Russian liberals is immoral and anti-national.
    As an example ... How can you require a child in 6th grade to decide on his future profession, children in 9th grade write applications for exams that they will pass as OGE - and what if they change their minds to pass these exams, others are already prohibited ? But this is all rubbish compared to high school .... They generally grow vegetables. Our golden youth where studies, gentlemen deputies?
    Surprisingly, why did one of the deputies suddenly talk about this (probably a brand new one)))) The old drawbars rooted to the seats both in the Duma and in the Federation Council. It is clear that they are all lured, but at least they still have to do something, although they cannot and do not want to. Any of the deputies did not study in such a system, the .askudians received Soviet education. And now they’re crap.
    It is very similar to the classic phrase "the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want"
  • Million
    Million 20 January 2016 19: 09
    0
    Who doesn’t want? Putin? Medvedev? Who?
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 January 2016 20: 49
      0
      Quote: Million
      Who doesn’t want? Putin? Medvedev? Who?

      Both!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 14
    +7
    It's just amazing ... the USSR created itself, from the ashes you can say the country has risen, how many generations have learned on the developed education system ... and here you have the Unified State Exam ... well, like a knife and a Unified State Exam with a knife in the side .. In general, with what a fright? What id.ot it came up with? ? For so many years in the country was one of the best formations in the world, and then suddenly this nonsense was needed. The teachers were asked what they think about this? Are there any teachers here?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 January 2016 19: 18
    13
    I remember at the end of the 80s at the lectures (Higher Mathematics, Sopromat, Machine Parts, Hydraulics, Culture, etc.), shouts began from the back desks "Why should we teach this? It will not be useful to us in life ... I kept my mouth shut and taught (although a hard time began), but then after a while I realized WHAT IS A HIGHER EDUCATION OF THE USSR! We were given the foundation in all spheres of science (no matter the specialization, they drove in physical training too ...), and then this knowledge surfaced (in the right moment) and it was easier to understand a particular field of activity, a problem ... I am still grateful to my first highest! hi And then like that ...
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 23
      +6
      I've also come to this conclusion. Also, everything was whining at school, at the institute - "I won't need this" But in the end everything was needed hi
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 January 2016 19: 23
    +3
    The trouble is that this is a purely populist statement. He himself understands perfectly well that no one will change anything.
    1. v-sorok
      v-sorok 20 January 2016 19: 59
      +1
      A moot point!
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 20 January 2016 19: 25
    +5
    It is not necessary to cancel the exam, but to return to school normal education and textbooks not written by traitors by the liberals, and then the form of the exam then does not matter, you can leave it similar to the exam.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 20 January 2016 19: 30
    +3
    It was only here that we could ruin the best education system that was in the USSR. And we will return to it again in 20 years
    1. v-sorok
      v-sorok 20 January 2016 19: 57
      +2
      Preferably early!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 19: 46
    +5
    No, brothers ... I am in favor of returning the good old USSR education system. On it my mom, dad learned, brother, me. Made in the USSR, as they say, time-tested. The word "bachelor" makes me sick. Everything was done, everything was invented ... why change something? No ... Thank you Soros ... ugh, so that he died ...
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 20 January 2016 19: 49
    +6
    And the sooner this rubbish is canceled, the less problems the country will have in the future. The collapse of the education system was paid from Washington, goes through Russia and is not yet finished, but is close to victory.
    We must not even return to education, but to the education of the USSR! Education and universality of education, as well as their quality indicators in the USSR have always been the subject of black envy of the West. From education and began the collapse.
    One of my teachers once said - Textbook, this is a book about the future. For a long time I did not attach importance to this phrase, for a long time, until I came across the present education.
    This is more terrible than an atomic bomb, from it mountains of the dead, and from our (and ours?) "Reforms" of the crowd of de-bi-lovs !!!
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 20: 01
      +1
      Great words hi
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 January 2016 19: 50
    +4
    Okay, guys, don't worry and don't give in to squeals ... All the foam is already starting to settle! Our youth have grandfather's genes, they also already understand what is what .. Let's break through!
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 20 January 2016 20: 04
      +1
      Are you talking about the good old slap? There, grandfather's genes are instantly recalled ... I'm for laughing
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  • v-sorok
    v-sorok 20 January 2016 19: 55
    +2
    It is necessary to support the initiative of the deputy from the LDPR! It seems that something is moving off the ground, can we really wait for the cancellation of this fucking USE?! Even the Japanese (a very not stupid nation) took the USSR education system as a model. It's time to return to normal exams.
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 20: 02
    +6
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I remember at the end of the 80s at the lectures (Higher Mathematics, Sopromat, Machine Parts, Hydraulics, Culture, etc.), shouts began from the back desks "Why should we teach this? It will not be useful to us in life ... I kept my mouth shut and taught (although a hard time began), but then after a while I realized WHAT IS A HIGHER EDUCATION OF THE USSR! We were given the foundation in all spheres of science (no matter the specialization, they drove in physical training too ...), and then this knowledge surfaced (in the right moment) and it was easier to understand a particular field of activity, a problem ... I am still grateful to my first highest! hi And then like that ...


    Say the truth, comrade! As Kennedy once said, "We lost space to the Russians at the school desk."
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 20 January 2016 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: cobra77
      As Kennedy once said, "We lost space to the Russians at the school desk."

      That's right ... And now (they beat in the 80-90s) and they hit us at the weakest and most defenseless (so far ..) point .. OUR GRANDS AND CHILDREN! But it seems that we’re fighting off not bad, genes take their word!
      Now this is the main task nevertheless! So I think ... And then we'll figure it out with everyone! hi
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 20 January 2016 23: 18
      0
      Quote: cobra77
      As Kennedy once said, "We lost space to the Russians at the school desk."


      drinks And as Bismarck once said, "The Prussian schoolteacher won the Franco-Prussian war!"
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 20 January 2016 20: 04
    0
    As Kennedy once said: "We lost space to the Russians at the school desk." We seem to be there now, but no longer in the role of the winning side ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 20: 05
    +3
    Adult men, but grabbed the sheep’s tail, by golly. Not ashamed? And in our school, and now in school .... So we will look for every nut and bolt in the dust, wipe and remember how it stood and where.
    It's not about the exam, but in Livanov and Co. We remove the exam and go to celebrate the victory, and these ... will come up with, in the sense of receive from amers and implement. And another 10 years we will uproot and enjoy another victory. And the children will suffer.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 January 2016 20: 18
    +1
    Skavkaz campers will be upset.
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 20 January 2016 20: 23
    +1
    Well, did smart people appear in the Duma?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 20: 49
      +1
      Alexandr2637
      "Well, really smart people have appeared in the Duma?"
      Sorry, but what is IT?
      Sarcasm, irony, humor, loyal enthusiasm, or vile doubts about the intellectual power of the chosen people who doubted the charms of the exam after 10 years of effective implementation? Mmmm?
  • russmensch
    russmensch 20 January 2016 20: 23
    +1
    I thought it was a sinful thing if Pushkin, Lomonosov, Lobachevsky, Kapitsa, and the same Alferov, finally, checked their knowledge through the Unified State Examination, did we know them today? I have big doubts ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2016 20: 48
      0
      These natures are creative and the Unified State Examination would not have influenced them in any way - if a person wants to study, he will study and self-study. Unified state examination is the final indicator of how a person studied for several years and if you cancel it and replace it with regular school exams - this will not lead to any improvement in education - the knowledge of graduates will not increase, only the old rake about bribes for final exams will be returned schools and at admission to college.
  • Dryulea
    Dryulea 20 January 2016 20: 32
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: Boos
    - "Fear the Danes, who bring gifts ..."

    You wrote this saying very well ... Education is the basis of the state, and in the days of the USSR it was perfectly understood! And it was not for nothing that one of the first decrees of the Soviet government was "The fight against illiteracy" ... Everyone was trained from young to old and according to our system (as it later turned out, the best in the world) The first satellite, the first man in space, the first orbital station and etc .... and even now the real specialists are from those times!
    And now "find the right answer .." ugh damn it! am I always thought that the real EXAM was direct communication with the teacher ... It immediately understood what you were standing for (even if the ticket was complicated and you didn’t learn it exactly) ...

    If my memory serves me right, then the foundations of the Soviet education system were laid by N.K. Krupskaya
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 20 January 2016 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: Dryula
      If my memory serves me right, then the foundations of the Soviet education system were laid by N.K. Krupskaya

      No, you are wrong ... It was Makarenko, Sukhomlinsky and their followers! Just read them and that’s all (the result was: Entente, Germany broke the ridge and were the first in space, etc.)
      "We will build our new world, whoever was nothing will become everything .." After all, it turned out all the same, but the world government was against this .. In the 90s, everything returned again! The elite is now forming a pancake ..