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What makes gasoline in Russia? As the author, "the roof goes slowly"

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I talked yesterday with an American. Do not think that tete-a-tete. Far from me, these same American. I talked using technical means. Well, in a sense, on Skype. In general, I like to talk with these American women.


Although she is an American from 90's tumbleweed, she’s still a citizen and stuff of the most democratic country (as they say there) in the world. Before 90, she was an ordinary Ekaterina from Belgorod, and now, therefore, American Katherine. But today it is not about her. Many of our people 90-scattered around the world.

The conversation was about everything. That is about nothing. So in democratic countries always. I already get used to it. Some interlocutors were afraid of something and did not answer questions. Others simply did not know anything about the concern for "all humanity" in my face. Therefore I will reproduce only a very small fragment.

"You probably have a holiday right now. Oil prices, they say, have fallen. Today I refueled at a gas station, we have a gallon of 80 cents. But right after the New Year, I refueled with a dollar."

I, of course, was silent patriotically. But then, to finish the topic, he mumbled something about not having refueled yet. It seems the weather is not a fountain. Riding is dangerous. So there is no place to fill the car. And so ... Well, probably, and we have about such prices ... per liter.

And then, after talking about it, I got into the Internet. Is it really?

Really did not receive the answer to this. But the "blow to the brain" came just decent. Probably you will be now. The American oil company pays customers for what they buy the oil produced by the company! In both. Brain rupture in full.

How can I pay extra for what they buy? It turns out you can. But not in Surgut or in Western Siberia at all, but in Dakota. There, the oil is wrong. When one of the ancestors interfered with sulfur and hydrogen, in order to obtain hydrogen sulfide raw materials, the technology was violated. Well, sulfur "sypanul" too much. So this American oil has become some kind of “sulfurized”. In a sense, sulfur is more there.

No, I understand that this should theoretically happen. Built well. Rocking oil deflates. It has already paid off itself. But oil does not end there. And stop pumping - will end for sure. Earth, I mean the planet, because it is a living organism. As we are with you. She hurt, but if the wound does not reopen, it heals quickly. The well is the wound of the Earth, "heals" in the same way.

But why is this possible in the USA? Or there in other countries, but not with us? Or when our “hydrogen sulphide raw material was interfered with”, the ancestors did not violate technology? Like our ancestors were the most law-abiding then.

Okay. I am a man, and therefore, I see only what I see. But I am a man armed with a computer. And this allows you to increase the "number of eyes" by many orders of magnitude. Quickly climbed to the site of the agency of oil and gas information. And that's what I read there.

"Moscow. Consumer prices for motor gasoline on average in Russia for the period from December 28 2015 to 10 January 2016 decreased by 0,1%, diesel prices remained unchanged. This is stated in the materials of Rosstat.

Over the 2015 year, gasoline prices rose by 4,8%, and for diesel fuel - by 3,4%. The average consumer price for gasoline on 11 in January was 34,89 rubles per liter, including on gasoline AI-76 / AI-80 - 32,23 rubles (28 December - 32,16 rubles), AI-92 / AI-93 - 33,91 rubles (33,95 rubles), AI-95 and above - 36,80 rubles (36,84 rubles). The average consumer price for diesel fuel was 35,54 rubles per liter.

Over the past week, there was a decrease in gasoline prices in 35 centers of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Most of all, gasoline prices dropped in Kyzyl and Ulan-Ude - by 2,3% and 1,1%, respectively. The increase in gasoline prices by 1,3% was noted in Yaroslavl, by 0,1% - in Veliky Novgorod and Nizhny Novgorod. In Moscow, consumer prices for gasoline fell by 0,3%, in St. Petersburg - have not changed. "

That's it. And we are getting cheaper! At a pace in about a thousand years, and our oil industry workers will pay extra money to buy their oil. Only here it is a pity, I will not live exactly. Health will not allow so much to live. Like you, readers.

Of course, I understand our specifics. It is there they have gasoline and diesel fuel made from oil. It is they who have mastered this primitive processing of oil into vital fuel. We have advanced much further. We have gasoline and diesel at gas stations - more from taxes and fees.

The country must be raised. Defenses, again. Then, nanotechnology. Well, in many ways we are not yet ahead. Even in some places not in the middle. And, frankly, in the ass. And the oilmen are not going anywhere from their fields. Their "milk" can and should be. I understand.

Only here it is a shame to somehow pay more at a gas station than where it has never happened to this very oil. And then in the store to pay more for products or manufactured goods - because they were carried on a huge diesel truck for several thousand kilometers. And it costs money.

Some kind of vicious circle turned out. Or a burning ring through which tigers and lions jump in the circus every evening. Scary, but you have to jump.

Without the taxes of the oil industry we will be hard times. To put it bluntly, we will not pull out many government projects without these taxes. We do not have the same powerful taxpayers. But, on the other hand, high fuel prices stifle everyone else. Make them simply uncompetitive.

A farmer cannot sell cheaply because the cost of fuel is huge. Public utilities at each meeting shake a bunch of papers in front of people with proof that they do not overstate anything. Just fuel ... Plants in the same pose. Forced to take at a great price because there is no alternative.

And everyone is so accustomed that our gasoline and other diesel fuel never become cheaper, that by and large, nobody is interested in all these quotes on the world market. All the same, we will see another “official person” on TV, which will tell us that prices are rising for some reason and that’s why. And once again, as one friend of mine told me, we will express with “foul language” our attitude to this statement. And we will go to the gas station to buy gasoline of not the best quality at new prices.

Maybe we should return to the primitive oil distillation technology? Well, to like everywhere else. Expensive oil - we will twist and tighten our belts. Cheap - we rejoice that the savings at the gas station went into the ruble or two? Then the bread with chickens, maybe cheaper.
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  1. Riv
    Riv 20 January 2016 10: 37 New
    -27
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces. :)))
    Today I was riding a bus to work. I gave 20 rubles for a ticket. The distance is five kilometers. In fact, the same money as on a car, even more.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 January 2016 10: 39 New
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      Quote: Riv
      What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. :)))

      Already less - 45 cents. With the growth of the dollar, gasoline is getting cheaper. Life is getting better! wink
      It seems that the author does not know the fundamental principles of Russian fuel pricing:
      1. When oil prices rise, since gasoline is made from oil, then gas prices should rise.
      2. When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
      3. When oil prices are stable, gas prices rise because of inflation.
      1. maxiban
        maxiban 20 January 2016 10: 48 New
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        In the 90s, American "partners" stank that gasoline prices in Russia were too low and they needed to be raised, otherwise the reforms were going badly. So they raised it ...

        This is one of the measures to achieve our economy.
        1. user
          user 20 January 2016 11: 33 New
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          This is one of the measures to achieve our economy.


          No, it was one of the ways to pay pensions and benefits in the late 90s, remember what kind of pension there was with that cheap gasoline. By the way, taxes on gasoline prices are more than 40% (because, with all due respect to the EP, I’m even at a loss to say why he could have taken so many taxes on social needs), but how many Americans? They have a different pricing of petroleum products.
          1. maxiban
            maxiban 20 January 2016 12: 23 New
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            This is a vicious cycle of increasing taxes to pay pensions. These pensions depreciate as much as taxes increase. Since any increase in fuel taxes automatically leads to an increase in prices for everything.

            For some reason, this is not about the need to return from heaven to earth the oil and gas Russian kings and their retinue, which are buried in luxury.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 January 2016 12: 54 New
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              Some pensioners who worked for the oil industry have shares of these companies and receive dividends.
              1. Alf
                Alf 20 January 2016 23: 07 New
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                Quote: Vadim237
                Some pensioners who worked for the oil industry have shares of these companies and receive dividends.

                That's exactly what
                Quote: Vadim237
                Some
                . And the rest? Does the stock have at least any or something long, round, with a red tip?
              2. vkfriendly
                vkfriendly 21 January 2016 07: 15 New
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                yeah 0.00001% of all residents of Russia
              3. Pilgrim07
                Pilgrim07 21 January 2016 21: 42 New
                -1
                on gazprёme and even a small foreman who goes on vacation gets his "parachute".
                And! + Gazprom pays its pension.
                1. paul-muatdeeb
                  paul-muatdeeb 22 January 2016 00: 25 New
                  +1
                  Well, if the help for the vacation in the amount of the salary is a "golden parachute" then who is the ballerina?
            2. evgmiz
              evgmiz 20 January 2016 17: 08 New
              +5
              Not only oil and gas kings but also other "nano-officials".
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 20 January 2016 12: 57 New
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            and how many Americans? They have a different pricing of petroleum products.


            They subsidize oil. That is why they had a ban on the sale of oil over the hill. Because all oil would be exported.
          3. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 20 January 2016 17: 34 New
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            Quote: user

            By the way, taxes on the price of gasoline are more than 40% (because with all due respect to the EP, I’m even at a loss to say why he could still take so many taxes on social needs.

            The best thing for the economy is for the people to work and produce consumer goods.
            Salary is 13% income tax and 30% social.
            If the person who received the salary comes to the store and buys goods produced in the country, then he will pay another 18% of the tax included in the price of the goods. Count
            if charged 100 rubles s / n,
            taxes will be in%
            13( подоходный)+30(социальный)+18(ндс)= 13+30+11.31=54.31 или 54.31/130*100=41,78%
            Is it profitable for the state to receive 42% of the turnover?
            If 20 million people receive an average salary of 20 thousand per month, then the state will receive taxes in the year 2005 trillion.
            We have no such revenues from the budget, but cf. the salary in the country was 2014 thousand in 18, and workers in the country with 146 million people. more population.
            Let the country work, produce and consume and will live normally.
            1. olimpiada15
              olimpiada15 20 January 2016 18: 01 New
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              Do not read this comment of mine, I fixed the errors, but there was an unedited text that could not be deleted
              1. Alf
                Alf 20 January 2016 23: 09 New
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                Quote: olimpiada15
                Do not read this comment of mine, I fixed the errors, but there was an unedited text that could not be deleted

                Address to administrators.
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 19: 13 New
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              Quote: olimpiada15
              But cf. the salary in the country was in 2014year 18 thousand

              Why not write 43 thousands? Friends who have relatives in the middle lane help them as much as they can, since relatives sometimes have 6 000. No, if you take a deputy with 400 000 and a cleaner with 6 000, then the average earnings can be in 200 000. Believe what they say less.
              1. kroog
                kroog 21 January 2016 02: 26 New
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                the cleaners at us get more deputies. Not every deputy has a handbag for 2,5 million rubles.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 21 January 2016 02: 59 New
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                  Quote: kroog
                  the cleaners at us get more deputies. Not every deputy has a handbag for 2,5 million rubles.

                  When I found out about this handbag, I thought right away - oh, this cleaner doesn’t live on a paycheck ... and not cleaning the rooms is her main occupation.

                  Something like that.

                  There are no miracles. They don’t pay millions of cleaners .. for cleaning. Even in Gazprom yes
                  1. Ded_smerch
                    Ded_smerch 21 January 2016 14: 09 New
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                    lather a new term;)
            3. 97110
              97110 21 January 2016 11: 16 New
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              Quote: olimpiada15
              13 (income) +30 (social) +18 (VAT)

              13% of the amount of accrued wages. 18% - of the selling price of the goods. Dear, stop playing with the calculator and get "specific numbers". I also recommend adding the depreciation to the average annual cost of fixed assets and dividing it by your mother-in-law's blood pressure. Get numbers - get crazy!
              Quote: olimpiada15
              Let the country work, produce and consume and will live normally.
              With what ... will we live normally if CAPITALISM? Look to Marx, or something. A person who does not own the means of production sells his labor power. The price of labor power depends on the cost of production and reproduction of labor power and the ability of the seller to defend his interests with the help of trade unions, strikes, the threat to destroy the old world and build a new one. Look around. Where are the unions? Where is the struggle of the proletarians for their interests? Capital is international. You can continue to write "WE" in the comments, meaning yourself next to Abramovich. And I suppose Abramovich has a document "Company policy in the field of human resources use" in all enterprises. Managers don't bother, interlinear translation from English. We are a RESOURCE! Upon the expiration of the standard number of hours worked (they can increase - have you heard?), The mining is drained and a fresh RESOURCE is poured in! Is everything clear to you, or are you the owner of the means of production? Labor buyer? For whom, again according to Marx, the goal is to buy cheaper, to squeeze out more surplus product? And nowhere is there a concept of Motherland, Fatherland. There is a profit rate and a dividend rate.
              1. aleksey980
                aleksey980 21 January 2016 20: 41 New
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                Quote: 97110
                13% of the amount of accrued wages. 18% - of the selling price of the goods. Dear, stop playing with the calculator and get "specific numbers". I also recommend adding the depreciation to the average annual cost of fixed assets and dividing it by your mother-in-law's blood pressure. Get numbers - get crazy!

                The calculator has nothing to do with it, just a person needs a little knowledge. And so income 13 from the salary, plus the organization deducts for each accrued salary another 31%. Only 13% are deducted from the employee from the accrued salary and deducted by the employer directly to the tax. Also, the employer in the Pension Fund and the Social Insurance Fund deducts 31% of the same accrued salary, but not one amount, and 22% - the Pension Fund, 5.1% - the compulsory medical insurance and 2,9% + 1% with two payments in the FSS. In total, the content of one employee is obtained ZP * 1.31 plus he needs, depending on the field of activity, a workplace, a tool, work clothes, traveling and others. The employee receives a salary of * 0,83. So where do you get these 31% and the rest? Of course, from the cost of goods / services. But 13% is also always included in the price of the goods, because the employee must receive a certain amount in his hands and he cares exactly what they give out at the box office, and not what they counted.
                Any objections? If you don’t have to pay 31%, since you multiplied by zero, neither I nor my accounting department know about this recourse .
                Plus, do not forget the VAT (18%) with which not everyone works, of course, but selling all tangible goods except almost 6% of individual entrepreneurs, and, of course, income tax, which, depending on the form of taxation, is 15 or 25% (we don’t take gasoline-solar-oil traders).
                13 + 31 pay for all employees, including 6% of IP workers.
                If you calculate the calculated 100r, it turns out that the total amount of deductions will be 100 * 0,13 + 100 * 0,31 = 44 rubles. Total payment by the employer 100 + 44 = 144 rubles. Of these: 87r - the salary of the employee on hand, 13-income at the full disposal of the state, 22r-pension, 5.1r-honey. insurance, 2.9r-in case of parental leave, 1p-accident insurance. Those. 31 rubles out of 100 formally go to the employee, but the fulfillment of these social financial obligations from the funds allocated to the PFR and the FSS is a separate issue.
          4. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 21 January 2016 07: 12 New
            +3
            they simply have an oil rig and an oil refinery can be delivered by anyone who wants to have this same oil on their land. Accordingly, a lot of competition. And we have all the property belongs to a bunch of ushlopkov.
          5. BEGA2015
            BEGA2015 21 January 2016 11: 11 New
            +4
            Diesel prices in Germany: an average of 0,92 euros per 1 liter
            Diesel prices in Poland: from 0,83 to 0,90 euros per 1 liter
            According to the author, the price for 1 liter of diesel in Russia is 0,418 euros, which is 2 times lower than BELOW (!) European prices.

            Germany's gasoline taxes are 83%, which includes a fuel tax per se, an environmental tax, etc. etc..
          6. denis02135
            denis02135 23 January 2016 05: 44 New
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            Dear user
            The author is a little inaccurate gasoline a little more expensive per halon in Boston the cheapest I saw $ 1,78 (expensive 2,30) it's all 87 gasoline, this price includes 45 (each state has a different biggest 68) cents federal and state taxes (price fixed at any price for gasoline).
          7. satris
            satris 23 January 2016 07: 04 New
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            The Germans also have 50% of the price of gasoline - taxes.
        2. andre
          andre 20 January 2016 12: 10 New
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          Meanwhile, miracles continue !!!
          The Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) conducts an All-Russian agricultural census to obtain information on the state of the agricultural sector of the Russian economy and purchased several business class cars for research.
          According to human rights activists, 143 million rubles were spent on Toyota Camry, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport, Mitsubishi Outlander and Nissan X-trail. The cost of these cars is from one to two million rubles.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 20 January 2016 13: 04 New
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            The cost of these cars is from one to two million rubles.


            Doesn't it say what year they are produced? And then if you go along the Amur towards Nikolaevsk, then there are such settlements as Tyr, Belgo, Nizhnie Khaldy, Mago. So, there is a fancy jeep next to every wreck house. Cruisers, Nissans and the like "cool". True, the ancients are probably still from the 70s. And what can you do, on those roads, except on an off-road vehicle, you cannot pass, and for the natives even "kozel" roads. So they get out of the situation by buying scrap metal, but what brands :).
            1. Alf
              Alf 20 January 2016 23: 12 New
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              Quote: alicante11
              And it doesn’t say what year of release they are?

              Excuse me, did you yourself understand what you said? For a large civil service to buy used cars? They will be ashamed to ride them.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 21 January 2016 01: 15 New
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                So we are talking about farmers, the federal service provided such data.
          2. Kachesgm
            Kachesgm 20 January 2016 13: 26 New
            +1
            Outlander and X-trail are good reliable cars with more or less sufficient cross-country ability to get to villages (although sometimes UAZ won't save :)). Buying them can still be justified, because. these are more or less reliable cars and by the standards of the same Americans, working cars. But here's the Camry, and even more so Pajero Sport, here obviously someone ordered "good for themselves" ...
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 20 January 2016 14: 35 New
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              I drive to my fields in a UAZ van, he is just a song for fishing. It breaks, well, often, but repairing it is an order of magnitude cheaper than Nisan, Toyota or Mitsubishi. You need to live more modestly, then the people will reach for them. And I asked for 100 Lyamov from the Rosselkhoz Bank two years ago for two years. They gave it on paper at 7% per annum + 18% insurance + 6% increase due to a jump in the dollar + 5% kickback, already 10 rubles. they took it away, but they don’t give it money to use, I demand information, photos and so on. I was disappointed, demanded to terminate the contract and wrote a complaint to the bank in court, they arrived from Moscow to persuade us, they promised to give everything out within a week, 1500000 months passed, and things are still there. So agrarians scum inflate food prices, and the state with fuel prices, higher prices for e-mail. energy (in the city 2 rubles. KW, and for agricultural we have a discount of 4 rubles. KW costs, water for irrigation from the river under the counter 5,8 rubles. cub. in the city 12 from Vodokanal). So I’m thinking about why potatoes, bell peppers and tomatoes to sell in order to recoup everything and pay another 6% VAT, and how then to survive? Thanks to any government for not surviving until retirement.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 20 January 2016 14: 59 New
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                . And I have been begging 100 lyamov from the Russian Agricultural Bank for 7 years


                Have you tried more modest, without credit? So that not "fields", but first "field". Develop gradually? Otherwise, you have included all these interest and kickbacks in the price of your products. Apart from the "margin," as one gentleman entrepreneur put it well here.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 20 January 2016 16: 04 New
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                  Quote: alicante11
                  Have you tried more modest, without credit? So that not "fields", but first "field". Develop gradually? Otherwise, you have included all these interest and kickbacks in the price of your products. Apart from the "margin," as one gentleman entrepreneur put it well here.

                  more modest garden and private household plots
                2. Maxom75
                  Maxom75 20 January 2016 17: 04 New
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                  I have 120 hectares of land in the zone of risky farming, irrigation is mandatory for 4 months, otherwise everything will burn out. In the summer, the earth heats up to 50 degrees. I can be more modest, spit on everything and grow everything with a camel thorn, and you wake up the Turks and the EU to ask for lower prices. The last people will drive from the village and will learn to suck their paws together like bears, only they are in winter, and we are all year round. I can plant 5 hectares for myself and my family is enough, but no one else will bring anything to grannies. You should have seen their eyes when, with shaking hands, they put tomatoes in bags and handbags and kept asking: "Sonny is free for sure? How much do I owe for tomatoes? You raised, drove here, and I will take them for nothing." They tried to leave at least 20 rubles. for a bag of tomato. Yes, I cannot take money from them. I asked for 100 lyamas, because I wanted to build a vegetable store and an aqua farm, as well as a fish cutting and processing workshop, a semi-finished product workshop, a canning shop to re-equip and supply a smokehouse. I spat on them this year, I can only make a mini-shop of semi-finished products and a smokehouse, we will live on my wife's salary for a year, she has already given the go-ahead for this. So I take your advice, go step by step, and let the burgher feed you.
                  1. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 19: 32 New
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                    Quote: Maxom75
                    In summer, the earth heats up to 50 degrees.

                    Don't let her get warm. I wrote about this problem "An open letter to the government" after the drought. Then Medvedev, as president, came to the middle lane to see the consequences of the drought. And there are two realities: the grain burned, and the potatoes gave twice ... What is the point, the potatoes sown in large areas, with their tops did not allow the sun's rays to heat the earth. Grain or melons do not give shade, and the Sun dries up the earth. So I suggested: pick up broad-leaved and low-growing forage plants for botanists in cereals so that their roots feed from different levels. There will be no particular benefit on 2-4 hectares, since neighboring bare fields will suck water out of the soil, but if the field is limited by a forest or river, and 20 hectares, then the land has retained moisture. This is partly described by me in the "Revelations of Biblical Texts" in Yandex. I even suggested to the Japanese that instead of irrigating the air in Tokyo with water, it is necessary to grow liana broad-leaved plants on the roofs, and to stretch ropes between the buildings, that is, to create hanging gardens. which would give shade to the narrow streets. Leaves of trees are ideal absorbers of sunlight.
                  2. alicante11
                    alicante11 21 January 2016 01: 33 New
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                    I can be more modest, spit on everything and everything will grow with a camel thorn, and you’ll wake the Turks and the EU to ask for lower prices.


                    Don't be so irritated. Considering the cost of your products plus interest on loans, the burghers and the Turks have it much cheaper even without asking for a reduction. So you can safely "spit". You cannot build food security on your expensive products. The food problem was solved not by grabber farmers, but by state agricultural holdings.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 21 January 2016 01: 41 New
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                      Quote: alicante11
                      Considering the cost of your products plus interest on loans, it is much cheaper for burghers and Turks even without requests for reduction

                      - considering the cost of labor (especially among the "burghers") ..
                      - taking into account the requirements of the EU for agricultural products (do not believe it - the shape and size of the cucumber .. are regulated by special rules) ..
                      - given that he himself saw how much the same ones, Mlyn, cucumbers cost, well, for example, in Sweden -

                      Quote: alicante11
                      for burghers and Turks it is much cheaper

                      - this is unlikely (s).

                      Quote: alicante11
                      The problem of food was not solved by farmers-farmers, but by state agricultural holdings

                      - and what - the food problem already decided? Beef of his own, an example - well, just heaps, right? belay
                      - why are you so angry farmers? People do business after all ..
                      - about agricultural holdings - do you have statistics? Something I do not recall any "state", all entirely "private shops" ..
                      1. alicante11
                        alicante11 21 January 2016 02: 08 New
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                        - considering the cost of labor (especially among the "burghers") ..


                        You, I know, somehow look more at price tags in stores.

                        - this is unlikely (s).


                        He knows about burghers, but Chinese is cheaper than stopuds. I actually go to the shops.

                        - But have you already solved the food problem? Beef of his own, an example - well, just heaps, right? belay


                        What does "heap" have to do with it when it comes to food security? First of all, vegetable agricultural holdings developed, now the development of animal husbandry is underway.

                        - why are you so angry farmers? People do business after all ..


                        Yes, they do, who would argue, but if I come to a shop near the farm and see that meat is one and a half times more expensive than in the store, then why don't I, as a consumer, need such a "business"? There is no need to talk about quality either, the high-quality tenderloin is not frozen, the carbonate in the store is at the same price as the farmer's meat is far from being of the highest grade, straight from the backyard. It just pissed me off, before the last new year people advertised that, they say, good meat and cheap from a farmer. We wanted to pamper the children of fresh food on NG. As a result, we arrived, stood for an hour and a half until they brought meat from the farm, looked - ribs, meat with fat, offal and at such a price that not only frozen meat, but also chilled meat is cheaper in the store. Local producer - agroenergo. And why does the country need such a "farmer"?

                        http://agronet.agroprominform.ru/community/groups-subject.php?subject=17
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 21 January 2016 02: 52 New
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                        Quote: alicante11
                        He knows about burghers, but Chinese is cheaper than stopuds. I actually go to the shops.

                        I also go to the shops. Forced request
                        As for the "Chinese" - only Doshirak noodles. The noodles are quite right there. Locusts and other reptiles are not yet ready No.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        defended an hour and a half until the meat was brought from the farm, looked - ribs, meat with fat, offal and at such a price that not only frozen meat, but also chilled meat is cheaper in the store. Local producer - agroenergo. And why does the country need such a "farmer"?

                        It was the "wrong farmer" (c) Winnie the Pooh.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        high-quality tenderloin is not frozen, carbonate in the store comes at the same price as farmer's meat is far from top grade

                        The so-called "chilled meat" in the store is easily made from freshly thawed cow carcass, which is not yet known where it came from. And on the market, goods have always been more expensive, and under the Soviet Union, too - piece production is always more expensive than serial production.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        http://agronet.agroprominform.ru/community/groups-subject.php?subject=17

                        I didn't have enough patience to look through all of them, and a couple of dozen that I looked through were private traders. You were talking about "state" agricultural holdings.

                        Voooot ...
                      3. alicante11
                        alicante11 21 January 2016 14: 11 New
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                        As for the "Chinese" - only Doshirak noodles. The noodles are quite right there. Locusts and other reptiles are not ready yet no


                        I understood the joke, appreciated it. We have a meme in Khabarovsk. On sale there are Chinese cucumbers and from the area to them. Lazo grown by the Chinese.

                        It was the "wrong farmer" (c) Winnie the Pooh.


                        yes they are all wrong.

                        The so-called "chilled meat" in the store is easily made from freshly thawed cow carcass, which is not yet known where it came from.


                        Just do not teach me to distinguish meat. What is the ribs lying in the barn all winter, I know and can distinguish the taste, if not appearance, I can.

                        I didn't have enough patience to look through all of them, and a couple of dozen that I looked through were private traders. You were talking about "state" agricultural holdings.


                        So they were created by the state.

                        http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Europe/documents/Publications/Policy_St
                        dies / Agroholdings_ru.pdf
                3. Maxom75
                  Maxom75 21 January 2016 17: 19 New
                  +3
                  I'm not annoyed, it's just that people like you in the government also said so in the nineties and zero. One such special. Even the best finance minister was recognized by the Westerners, his motto was: Sell oil and buy everything, we don't need to develop industry and agriculture. "Where is he now? Where are the oil prices? Will you buy a lot for oil revenues? Start I laugh aside.))
                  1. denis02135
                    denis02135 23 January 2016 06: 18 New
                    0
                    Dear Maxom75
                    If you are talking about Kasyanov, then with him the price of oil was the same as now and his budget was converging.
              2. Fedor and Co.
                Fedor and Co. 21 January 2016 19: 06 New
                0
                Hats off to you, respect!
            2. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 21 January 2016 12: 15 New
              +2
              Have you tried more modest, without credit? So that not "fields", but first "field". Develop gradually? Otherwise, you have included all these interest and kickbacks in the price of your products.

              It is impossible to develop normally without loans - if there is an idea and you see its solution, then there are two ways - to throw it out of your head due to lack of money or take a loan and implement, or the third option is to plow in one "field" for more than one year, gradually burying your idea all deeper!
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 21 January 2016 14: 13 New
                0
                or take a loan and realize


                Or create a state-owned enterprise with initial budget financing, ensuring the absence of price markups caused by interest on the loan.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 21 January 2016 20: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Or create a state-owned enterprise with initial budget financing, ensuring the absence of price markups caused by interest on the loan.

                  And who will allow you this? Not in order to destroy the system of state trade in order to revive it. If this appears, then, of the vollens-nevolens, the owners of retail chains will have to limit their insatiable needs. Do they need it?
          3. Hon
            Hon 20 January 2016 16: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Maxom75
            Frustrated, demanded to terminate the contract and wrote a complaint to the bank in court

            only rollback will not be returned in any case
            By the way, insurance can be returned the next day, or through the court as an imposed service.
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 20 January 2016 17: 07 New
              +5
              the judge said that he would only stop the payment of interest from the moment the court decision was approved, all that was gone would not be returned. Yes, let them choke, tired. I have no time to go to court, I have a season on the nose, I need to prepare, otherwise I won’t have time. In extreme cases, I’ll sell a house in the village for 500000 rubles. We will live in the odnushka three together somehow.
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 19: 35 New
                +5
                It is difficult to live in this world, it lacks comfort. Early in the spring morning, the bankers of the farmers chew.
              2. Hon
                Hon 20 January 2016 21: 10 New
                +1
                They are obliged to return interest on the use of the loan for the period when the bank holds it, since there was actually no use. It is simply possible that this requirement is not contained in the statement of claim. With insurance another story, you can write a statement about the termination of the insurance contract, and return part of the country sum, part of it for the period that remains.
          4. hammer stalker
            hammer stalker 20 January 2016 18: 21 New
            +2
            We must fight somehow! It’s not fair.
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 20 January 2016 19: 55 New
              +3
              Quote: Stalker Molotov
              We must fight somehow! It’s not fair.


              What justice do you expect from this government?
              1. SveTok
                SveTok 21 January 2016 07: 56 New
                +2
                We do not have a government; we have a management company.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 21 January 2016 18: 05 New
                  +1
                  judging by the flag, it’s your management company ....
        3. Maxom75
          Maxom75 20 January 2016 14: 51 New
          32
          By the way, last year 25 tons of tomatoes remained that were not sold, conscience did not sell out and putrefy, they took a friend's car, threw themselves on gasoline and brought them to the city at social insurance for free to pensioners. I’ll survive, and grannies at least 2kg will help 100 rubles. save on milk. And so many greedy farmers do, at least with us.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 20 January 2016 15: 01 New
            -9
            By the way, last year there were 25 tons of tomato left for sale, conscience did not sell it out and putrefy, they took a friend's car, threw themselves on gasoline and brought it to the city at social insurance for free to pensioners.


            In-in, but to sell cheaper so that they "disperse" is impossible. So after all, not only "grannies", but God forbid, the kids eat an extra tomato. And you will pay off gasoline and you will not be so kind.
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 20 January 2016 17: 09 New
              16
              I'm from the field for 10 rubles. sold and it didn’t go away, but at the beginning of October it’s more expensive to store than to give out. Frosts and all have to be thrown away, and so at least people will eat.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 21 January 2016 01: 51 New
                -1
                I'm from the field for 10 rub. sold and then didn’t leave


                Well, who knew what you were selling from the field? My father 5 years ago took watermelons for 50 copecks from the field, well, I drove by, I traveled intercity, so I took it. The advertisement is engine of the trade. And the bait for the tax.
            2. goose
              goose 21 January 2016 11: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: alicante11
              In-in, but to sell cheaper so that they "disperse" is impossible. So after all, not only "grannies", but God forbid, the kids eat an extra tomato. And you will pay off gasoline and you will not be so kind.

              The farmer did not have enough to roll back to the distribution network or store, and therefore they did not sell out.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 21 January 2016 14: 16 New
                +1
                The farmer did not have enough to roll back to the distribution network or store, and therefore they did not sell out.


                10 can be sold without a distribution network.
                1. Maxom75
                  Maxom75 21 January 2016 17: 38 New
                  +2
                  we bring 20tn. without a distribution network on October 12? ))) Where should I put them? And warm all night? The neighbors simply smelled part of the harvest into the ground, and I felt sorry for the good to translate into the ram. Let for nothing, but to people, I work for them, and not just for myself.
              2. Maxom75
                Maxom75 21 January 2016 17: 33 New
                +5
                The trading network Magnit offered for 2,5 kg tomato tomato., S / s 8rub. without profit and tax. So I still had to pay them. When asked why, the familiar head of the central office of Magnit from Krasnodar explained everything by the fact that they import from Turkey pay for customs clearance (legally) only for every 8-10 trucks, the rest is gray import or through the port of Novoros (they will bring 1000 tons, and on the waybill 100tn) the price is 12rub. kg Money in the minuscule budget, on the paw of the beg. Customs and walk Russia. I say, why didn’t I take it closer and more profitably from me then, the policy of the bosses doesn’t mess with the small ones, we need the volume and it is not profitable, we need to return the money in a month, and the Turks only in two. True, already this year I called and asked if I would plant, because because of the bucks and sanctions, Israeli and Egyptian dear. Regarding Khabarovsk and Chinese tomatoes and cucumbers, they also planted in our neighboring plot. Their harvest has grown rapidly. Then the inspectors arrived, the complaint came from the military unit where the Chinese put their products (an allergic reaction and two severe poisonings). We checked that all the greenhouses were demolished and they filled up the earth with some muck, they forbade the owner to plant it on it for 5 years, they say the Chinese people poured some chemistry, now the land is not suitable for farming, it takes time to clean it up. So bon appetit, the Chinese delicious only then you have to work on pills all your life.))
        4. Hon
          Hon 20 January 2016 16: 02 New
          +5
          Pajero sports are like the same x-treil, only this is a full-fledged frame SUV, but Camry for the census of the village ...
    2. Pilgrim07
      Pilgrim07 21 January 2016 21: 30 New
      0
      oh just don't make it up !!! - Americans told you !!! For you ???
    3. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 22 January 2016 05: 34 New
      0
      Yes, and Chubais with electricity, the State Department order fulfilled all 500%. After all, after overhaul, Russians overpay for electricity at least 10 times.
      See for yourself. Belarus (has no nuclear and hydroelectric power stations) but simply burns gas for production. Russian gas is received at 140 $. Electricity is obtained from it. The cost price is 100 kW = 1 $ and it is successfully sold, for example, to Latvia at 1.5 $. 6.52 $ for 100 kW is already shipped to the population. And enterprises for 13 $. Madhouse and not a social state.
      In Russia, gas is 2 times cheaper, but electricity costs almost the same. And electricity is the same energy carrier, which forms the final price of almost any produced product.
    4. Maksus
      Maksus 22 January 2016 10: 20 New
      0
      Do not exaggerate the influence of Western partners. With the pursuit of our economy, we quite independently cope, even without outside help.
    5. satris
      satris 23 January 2016 07: 02 New
      0
      And what, our oil fields and refineries belong to the Americans? Or do their owners work on prompts from the State Department?
  2. andj61
    andj61 20 January 2016 10: 58 New
    52
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Already less - 45 cents. With the growth of the dollar, gasoline is getting cheaper. Life is getting better!

    That's for sure - getting better! wink good
    But the salary has decreased, because all sorts of different bonuses have been forgotten and forgotten for a year now, and they made up a significant part of this salary ... But if you convert the current one into dollars, it will turn out sour. these sanctions and the drop in oil prices do not concern us, but these very oil companies and other oligarchs, who are slowly compensating for their lost profits at our expense. Our government is simply not coping with the situation. We are all ready to tighten our belts, but at least some perspective from this should be visible. And this happens as always - an extremely narrow circle of the rich get better at the expense of the rest of the people. request
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 20 January 2016 11: 51 New
      23
      We are all ready to tighten our belts, but at least some perspective from this should be visible.

      real prospect - the state will carefully tighten our belts, affectionately adjusting them around the neck recourse
    2. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 20 January 2016 12: 30 New
      +9
      That's the whole point, that tightening the belts for some (majority) = benefits for others (minorities)
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 19: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Bulrumeb
        that tightening belts for some (most)

        When Margaret Thatcher closed the mines, she abruptly lowered many workers, and indeed the lower class, and millionaires became even more wealthy, but by some magic the economy straightened. Only they have tax evasion is the worst crime, worse than murder, and in Russia it is a sports competition of millionaires: who will save more on paying taxes.
        1. andj61
          andj61 20 January 2016 20: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          When Margaret Thatcher closed the mines, she abruptly lowered many workers, and indeed the lower class, and millionaires became even more wealthy, but by some magic the economy straightened.

          Thatcher closed state mines, causing losses, and privately privatizing the mines, generating at least some profit, thereby selling to the capitalists. And the economy of England did not rise at all because of this, or rather, this episode with mines remained the episode. Thatcher radically reduced the unnecessary expenses of the state, saved the state from non-profitable property, changed taxes, mainly in the direction of reduction (won big capital), achieved incentives for production, introduced certain benefits for small entrepreneurs. Here is the business and revived
    3. forester
      forester 20 January 2016 13: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: andj61
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Already less - 45 cents. With the growth of the dollar, gasoline is getting cheaper. Life is getting better!

      That's for sure - getting better! wink good
      But the salary has decreased, because all sorts of different bonuses have been forgotten and forgotten for a year now, and they made up a significant part of this salary ... But if you convert the current one into dollars, it will turn out sour. these sanctions and the drop in oil prices do not concern us, but these very oil companies and other oligarchs, who are slowly compensating for their lost profits at our expense. Our government is simply not coping with the situation. We are all ready to tighten our belts, but at least some perspective from this should be visible. And this happens as always - an extremely narrow circle of the rich get better at the expense of the rest of the people. request

      Our government is not doing wrong with the situation, but continues to modify and improve the corruption-oligarchic management system created in the 90s by their predecessors
    4. evgmiz
      evgmiz 20 January 2016 17: 17 New
      +2
      That's for sure - getting better! wink good
      But the salary has decreased, because all sorts of different bonuses have been forgotten and forgotten for a year now, and they made up a significant part of this salary ... But if you convert the current one into dollars, it will turn out sour. these sanctions and the drop in oil prices do not concern us, but these very oil companies and other oligarchs, who are slowly compensating for their lost profits at our expense. Our government is simply not coping with the situation. We are all ready to tighten our belts, but at least some perspective from this should be visible. And this happens as always - an extremely narrow circle of the rich get better at the expense of the rest of the people. request
      And you say, the government can’t cope! The last sentence of your comment directly indicates that the government is precisely fulfilling its task.
  3. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 20 January 2016 11: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    oil companies have to raise gas prices in order to compensate for the drop in oil price revenues.
    - That's why we have no ideology. If you write, then either for the people, or for the rich, which is more suitable for our galleys. But then the people stand on their hind legs. So they hung ...
  4. sasha52ru
    sasha52ru 20 January 2016 11: 27 New
    +9
    I do not understand your sarcasm! The author writes to you that only in Russia there is such a mess and that only in Russia there is always and under all conditions an increase in prices. It’s just that someone always makes money on you and me on everyone else!
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 20 January 2016 11: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: sasha52ru
      The author writes to you that only in Russia there is such a mess and that only in Russia there is always and under all conditions an increase in prices

      Recently, this topic was discussed, a gallon (3,7 liter) costs an average of 1,84 dollars in the United States, although there are gas stations where sometimes, in order to fight competitors, they also sell for 41 cent / gallon (then raising it). Those. liter on average is in the 35 region of Russian rubles / liter. This is how the price came about after a heated discussion.
      In Germany, in the region of 110-120 rub / liter.
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 20 January 2016 12: 31 New
        16
        It remains only to compare our and their purchasing power
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 19: 58 New
          +2
          The average salary in Europe is around $ 1500-2000, as one Norwegian on TV said, accounts on 1500-t. But to compare their minimum footage and ours ... The machine is $ 9 000, that is, if two in the family work, paying the other a thousand a month ... And with us, even if the average earnings are 23 thousand (I can’t rust), and $ 9 000 = 630 000 R. then this is five years of slavery. Do you want to know what type of transport pays off the fastest in Russia? A passenger train of locomotives costs 28 Lama, a car 2 Lama: 14 cars, a total of 42 Lama, which at the cost of the Murmansk-Krasnodar fare in the season when the cars are full, pays for 3 months. The salary of the team of 10 conductors% of income, another week of work, and no matter how many taxes or other salaries are added to this, it will not last more than 6 months.
      2. Eggor
        Eggor 20 January 2016 12: 41 New
        +6
        Currently, the average cost of a gallon of gasoline in the US is $ 1,89 (about 39 rubles per liter at the Central Bank rate set for January 19), which is 17 cents lower than the average for 2015 year.

        In 2008, at the peak of oil prices, the gallon cost averaged $ 4,12 nationwide, and reached $ 6 per gallon at some gas stations.

        Plus, the sales tax (sales tax, from 0 to 12% depending on the state) should not be forgotten.

        Quote: Bulrumeb
        It remains only to compare our and their purchasing power

        It is impossible to compare, the US economy is supported by a colossal national debt, in fact, "not only the whole" rest of the world pays for their welfare.
  5. cap
    cap 20 January 2016 11: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Riv


    The last time I laughed like that a week ago. Thank you.
    1. anfil
      anfil 20 January 2016 12: 05 New
      12
      Quote: cap
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Riv


      The last time I laughed like that a week ago. Thank you.

      - Doctor, tell me everything is in the lock, as I get a salary so laugh.
      “It's all right with you.”
      - So I’ll survive until retirement?
      - Of course you live, it will be even more fun there.
  6. Riv
    Riv 20 January 2016 11: 49 New
    24
    Well, why be surprised? In Russia, no matter how hard they tried, they were unable to build developed capitalism. In such giants as Gazprom, the state has a controlling stake. The factories live off government orders. Science is supported by the same state. We can only talk about some serious paid education in a couple of metropolitan universities. Independent media? Do not make me laugh...

    What are the names of the five deputies of the State Duma? Zhirinovsky and Valuev came to mind? Sorry ... I had in mind normal, working deputies who are not famous for their success in sports and for not throwing glasses. Which of the people's representatives did specifically for your area the most?

    Do not know? Then the price of gasoline is not worth indignant. ;) This does not concern you.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 06 New
      0
      I agree. Each nation is worthy of the deputies whom it elects. But what if honest people do not go to power, otherwise they will lose their honor, only at the stage of elections. Now, if the deputies will have the same salary as at the previous place of work, when the deputies will be nominated by the people themselves, when they will be deprived of their immunity ....
    2. _my opinion
      _my opinion 21 January 2016 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Riv
      Well, why be surprised? In Russia, no matter how hard they tried, they could not build developed capitalism ....

      failed? or maybe just built it? after all, look - there are a lot of people who live at the expense of ordinary people, how many resellers / sellers are divorced, who do not produce anything, and more producers have profit ...

      and minus is not mine, as well as plus ...
  7. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 20 January 2016 11: 55 New
    +9
    And most importantly - salaries and pensions are growing at such a fast pace that they are already breathtaking! Bookkeepers ...
  8. gray smeet
    gray smeet 20 January 2016 12: 02 New
    +8
    There is only one conclusion - in our country, the dollar rules everything. All your income is converted into a dollar!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 January 2016 13: 08 New
      +6
      There is only one conclusion - in our country, the dollar rules everything. All your income is converted into a dollar!


      Not a dollar, but greed. Do you seriously believe that if tomorrow the dollar starts to cost 6 rubles, then our prices will drop 10 times?
  9. avdkrd
    avdkrd 20 January 2016 12: 06 New
    11
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    It seems that the author does not know the fundamental principles of Russian fuel pricing:

    No one knows the pricing of gas prices in Russia. For example, at the Samara group of refineries, at the moment, the price of AI 92 is 31010r per ton, which is 22r90k per liter. At other refineries, prices are about the same (+ - 1p), from which the conclusion is that monopolists under state control reduce prices, despite the crisis. In September 2015, the average price of refineries was in the region of 38-39000 r per ton (28r12k) and fell to current values ​​all this time. Prices at gas stations, on the contrary, rose, as did the profit of retailers. The same situation is with DT - so the question of the principles of Russian pricing remains open.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 20 January 2016 13: 27 New
      10
      Quote: avdkrd
      Currently, the Samara refinery group price for AI 92 is 31010r per ton, which is 22r90k per liter.

      To begin with, no one knows at what price oil is pumped into the pipe and how many intermediaries in the pipe it passes (oil), and what price tag it has at the outlet of the same refinery.
      As for me, the state should distinguish between the domestic market and the foreign one, let it go to the foreign market at the exchange price, but here the domestic price should be several times lower.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 20 January 2016 21: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        to begin with, no one knows at what price oil is pumped into the pipe and how many intermediaries in this pipe it (oil) passes, and what price tag it has at the outlet of the same refinery

        Not correct. Oil cannot be bought from a pipe without being an oil refinery, that is, only an oil refinery in the register can be a buyer. There are many nuances, since the pipe belongs to JSC Transneft and companies that are not licensed oil producers (producers) or, again, licensed producers of oil products, do not have access to the system. There are no intermediaries in this scheme. At least for the overwhelming amount of fuel, with the exception of "give-and-take" schemes, when the producer receives payment for oil from the refinery in kind. The main volumes are sold through the exchange (rather not an intermediary, but a guarantor). The high price of the final product in the Russian Federation is partly due to taxes at every stage - for production, excise taxes on fuel, and, plus, all the usual taxes. For example, in the production of AI 92 gasoline, the refinery in 2016 pays an excise tax of 7530 rubles per ton. I don’t know what the tax on crude oil is, but retailers, including the operators of large refiners, are more influential.
        Above I already wrote about the wholesale price of 92 at the Rosneft refinery. A simple calculation - 31010r + railway tariff to Krasnodar - 2945r + storage 500 r (including local logistics) = 34450r per ton = 25,5r liter. Carrying gas from Saratov per ton will be another 500 r less. The selling price at gas stations in Krasnodar is 34,8 liters. The retail profit at Rosneft is 26,75%, and this is not taking into account profit from production and profit from wholesale trade. At times less, the price of gas stations can not fall - taxes are the budget and social programs, but the profit of gas stations at 26.75% is beyond good and evil.
  10. your1970
    your1970 20 January 2016 12: 40 New
    +7
    0,80 / 3,785 = 0,21 US dollars per liter !!!!
    0,21 * 78,67 = 16,52 rubles per LITER !!!!
    Twice cheaper .. crying crying crying
    1. Nzn
      Nzn 20 January 2016 15: 36 New
      +3
      Twice ... Our AI95 costs 41.80
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: NzN
        We have A95

        As for pricing: I have a "Belarus" 87 years old, well, it’s on diz.t., but as 76 were banned, I think, how will I start a launcher if it was designed for the 72nd by the designers? Some companies began to grind down the engine heads, others said they would burn the pistons, write off the cars and let the big bosses think. And nothing happened ... the machines are working and the pistons are not burning. We rewrote the numbers and the 76th on paper became the 80th, but the 76th remained in practice, and the price was the same as for the 80th. So much for the pricing.
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 20 January 2016 23: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          And nothing happened ... cars are working and the piston is not burning.

          a mystery to me - why should the piston burn on high-octane gasoline? Yes, at least 103 fill up. The octane number is an indicator of knock resistance and only affects the ability of gasoline to work without detonation with engines with a high compression ratio. The calorific value of 76 is even higher than that of 80 and even more so for 92. There is no negative effect from the use of gasoline with a higher octane from the calculated one. Simplified - 92 gasoline is about 78 (I was not mistaken) gasoline with the addition of octane-increasing components, some of which are essentially gasoline (high-octane fraction), and some of which are ethers (MTBE - methyl treblytyl ether) and alcohols (isobutyl alcohol), MMA ( monomethylaniline). The octane number of base gasoline obtained from straight-run by reforming may be different, but no manufacturer (in the world) makes 92 and higher gasolines by reforming. Expensive and sophisticated equipment (simply not enough for the produced volumes), but even if there is an expensive process, gasoline will be gold. The myth that high-octane gasoline will burn out pistons is based on the illiteracy and seemingly greater efficiency of high-octane gasoline. In fact, it burns worse, but it can be used in engines with a high compression ratio, and they are a priori more efficient than the old ones.
  11. lukewarm
    lukewarm 20 January 2016 12: 50 New
    +5
    Well, something like this. This is how it should be in the colony. How so, brain rupture! In the economy - the colony as it is. In foreign policy, they seem to be independent. How?! Or are our "successes" simply forced? We were pressed against the wall, there is nowhere further, is it the reason for the success?
  12. Borets
    Borets 20 January 2016 12: 54 New
    +5
    The girl said about a gallon, and a gallon of water of 3,7 liters, i.e. liter costs 22 cents
  13. kepmor
    kepmor 20 January 2016 14: 00 New
    15
    You are right at 200%! A little remark on gas pricing.
    Yesterday I talked with my sister (lives in the USA, Virginia). The cost of a gallon is 3,8 liters. gasoline (an analogue of our A-92) for 2-3 months decreased from $ 2,28 to $ 1,72 - this is minus 25%. They (in the states) are all very happy!
    In our country, in the south, only Gazpromneft reduced the cost from 34 rubles to 74k. up to 34 rubles 34k. by as much as 40 kopecks, a fanatic 1,2%! And we are also "well, sooooo happy"!
    Thank you very much, gentlemen Putin, Medvedev and Miller!
  14. Hon
    Hon 20 January 2016 15: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Already less - 45 cents. With the growth of the dollar, gasoline is getting cheaper. Life is getting better!
    It seems that the author does not know the fundamental principles of Russian fuel pricing:
    1. When oil prices rise, since gasoline is made from oil, then gas prices should rise.
    2. When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
    3. When oil prices are stable, gas prices rise because of inflation.

    they only have 80 cents per gallon, and a gallon is 3,785 liters
  15. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 20 January 2016 16: 05 New
    +4
    We need to build our own small refinery and live happily ever after. Look at the Chechen illegal mini-plants every 100 meters of the pipeline ... Everything shows that it’s a profitable business)
    1. avdkrd
      avdkrd 21 January 2016 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      We need to build our own small refinery and live happily ever after. Look at the Chechen illegal mini-plants every 100 meters of the pipeline ... Everything shows that it’s a profitable business)

      It has long been no longer relevant. Believe me - myself in the fuel business. The state has put things in order in this area, at least the new samovars are not attractive for investment and the existing ones are operated on the verge of a foul. The mini-plant has quality problems because it is not possible to provide processes that give a high degree of processing using only atmospheric distillation (in fact, moonshine still). To obtain high-quality fuel, at least five secondary processes must be applied, and preferably seven and one primary. Equipment for reforming, cracking, isomerization and hydrotreating in the form of a mini-plant will pay for itself in 200 years. Accordingly, the marketing of products is becoming more complicated - the diesel fraction can still be attached to an inaudible customer or mixed with factory fuel in an acceptable proportion, gasoline is already sad. Of course, you can get 80 or 92 gasoline from straight run by adding aromatics and organometallics, you can even achieve high-quality engine operation (it is clear that in this case the maximum permissible concentrations of the components will be exceeded several times), but the hydrotreating process on miniks is a priori absent and marketable products still fail due to the high sulfur content. ALL operating mini-factories have difficulty with the legal supply of oil (even being in the register), while producing not marketable products, but ersatz, using loopholes in the law. Basically, the diesel fraction is sold as SMT (low-viscosity marine fuel), if they could make an accurate separation, they didn’t have enough kerosene and the flash corresponds to GOST or as light heating oil, the gasoline fraction is sold as an oil solvent (nefras). There is still fuel oil, which in quality is often better than the factory one but unprofitable for minicar, if not the main product. The sale of kerosene in its pure form is problematic and it is often poured into diesel (lowering the flash to unacceptable values), they try not to add gasoline, since it is almost impossible to raise the octane of straight run with kerosene. Prices for such products are appropriate (straight run is in the region of 13 rubles per liter) and if the minicar does not do further criminally prosecuted manipulations with his products, then the profit is negative.
  16. starshina78
    starshina78 20 January 2016 18: 49 New
    +3
    One can answer in short - the price of gasoline is kept at a high level due to the fact that oil companies in this way gain what they lose from selling oil. At the expense of us, gentlemen!
  17. Mih
    Mih 20 January 2016 23: 03 New
    0
    “When oil prices are stable, then gas prices rise because inflation.”
    (Well, everything is clear here, you are fooling.)
    Defense, again. Then, nanotechnology. (Is it Chubais chtoli?) Well, in many ways we are not yet to come. (Yeah, in full railway) Even in some places not in the middle.
    Maybe we should return to the primitive technology of oil distillation? (No, it’s not worth it) Well, as everywhere else. (This is not for us, we have a different path). Dear oil - we spin and tighten our belts. Cheap - we rejoice that the fueling savings came in a ruble or two? Then the bread and chickens may become cheaper.
    laughing


    Cheap - we rejoice. Well, you are so naive! How can you. love
  18. vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 21 January 2016 07: 08 New
    +1
    my dream is to take an oil barge, put the whole government there, headed by a bear, and send it to the Arctic Ocean from sin away.
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 January 2016 08: 26 New
      0
      Quote: vkfriendly
      send to the Arctic Ocean away from sin.

      Huh ... and if an article is published tomorrow about housing construction or education there ... Again into the ocean7 So you won’t get enough of governments with your appetites
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 22 January 2016 12: 41 New
      0
      Quote: vkfriendly
      my dream is to take an oil barge, put the whole government there, headed by a bear, and send it to the Arctic Ocean from sin away.

      Sorry for the barge, and a bunch of rubber rafts would be enough)))
  19. BEGA2015
    BEGA2015 21 January 2016 11: 03 New
    +1
    Diesel prices in Germany: an average of 0,92 euros per 1 liter
    Diesel prices in Poland: from 0,83 to 0,90 euros per 1 liter
    According to the author, the price for 1 liter of diesel in Russia is 0,418 euros, which is 2 times lower than BELOW (!) European prices.

    Point 3 I would reformulate as follows .-
    Oil prices are stable, but gas prices are rising in the face of inflation. Diesel prices may (!) Remain stable or increase slightly with financial support from the state in order to stabilize transportation costs. Because transportation costs are included in the price of almost all goods.

    I rated the article by the author negatively.
  20. Just
    Just 21 January 2016 12: 21 New
    0
    Is there anything that in Russia the last half-year gasoline cheaper?
    Tell yours there, let the State Department change your manuals.
  21. mark2
    mark2 21 January 2016 18: 22 New
    0
    1. When oil prices rise, since gasoline is made from oil, then gas prices should rise.
    2. When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
    3. When oil prices are stable, gas prices rise because inflation


    Not certainly in that way. Last year, not long before NG, the topic of the price of gasoline was already raised by VO, and then I wrote a comment about how the internal price of gasoline is formed. Channel Russia 1 told the whole country about this.
    The author indicated exactly what gas is made of. This is really the big part - taxes and fees.
    The current cheapening of gasoline is mainly seasonal in nature. They began to buy it less. Winter. Well, the drop in oil prices has a little effect.
    I repeat:

    I'll tell you now. About it this morning on TV told

    The cost of oil production in Russia is $ 2.8 per barrel = 2.8 * 70 = 196 rubles.
    The number of liters of oil in a barrel - 168 liters of American barrels
    We get that 1 liter of oil costs 196/168 = 1.16 rubles.
    Out of 1 barrel, 102 liters of gasoline, 30 liters of diesel fuel, 6.8 liters of fuel oil, 1 liter of engine oil are obtained. the rest is bitumen, coke, gas.
    we get the cost of 1 liter of gasoline roughly rounded 196/102 = 1.92 rubles excluding oil refining.
    according to TV, the cost of refining oil to gasoline is 40% of the cost of a barrel. those. 196 * 0,4 / 102 = 0,78 rubles per liter. Total rudely. the cost of 1 liter of gasoline at cost
    = 1,92 + 0,78 = 2,7 rubles.

    Now in Tambov at Rosneft gas stations the cost of 1 liter of gasoline is 33.20 kopecks.
    The cost of gasoline at this price is (2,70 / 33,2) * 100 = 8%
    Rest. taxes, salaries, kickbacks, subsoil taxes, VAT, export duties and other stuff ..
    So if oil costs nothing, then the price will decrease by only 2 rubles maximum))
    Yes, and at the expense of export duties
    Export duties are not paid by buyers abroad. and we! There they buy gasoline which due to export duties will be more expensive than someone else will not. There are tough market rules. And Russian gas dealers are obliged to follow them. Export duties are the problems of Russia but not Europe.
    Now, if gasoline from Russia was the only one in Europe, then another thing. The burden of export duties could be shifted to the Western consumer. but no. Fees, I'm not talking about other taxes and fees paid by local buyers.
    Of course, not the whole volume. it is not physically possible. But a large enough part.
  22. Grey47
    Grey47 21 January 2016 19: 19 New
    0
    Everything was turned upside down, a year ago gasoline cost $ 50 cents at gas stations, why are you complaining, the price has fallen, but it has fallen. But in rubles it has fallen in price, on the contrary, the costs have even increased due to inflation, so everything is logical.
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 21 January 2016 20: 26 New
    0
    The oilman’s law is simple: everywhere you go, there’s a wedge. Us.
  24. Pilgrim07
    Pilgrim07 21 January 2016 21: 29 New
    0
    + 100! laughing
    Everything is correctly formulated.
    You see, oil will rise sooner or later to 50-60 bucks, and the ruble as it was ... will remain so! It definitely won’t fly to the bottom!
    And the price of gas will definitely rise !!!
  25. demon1978
    demon1978 21 January 2016 22: 26 New
    0
    Mr. Kudrin ??? belay and what fate are you here what request ??? !!!
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  • Same lech
    Same lech 20 January 2016 10: 41 New
    33
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. :)))


    He tactfully did not indicate his salary in RUSSIA in cents ...
    Do you understand the market in RUSSIA takes some kind of perverse sadomasochistic form.
    The RUSSIAN economy is not developing thanks to and contrary to all the laws of the market ... what
    you start to understand the details, brains begin to boil from misunderstandings.
    1. shvn
      shvn 20 January 2016 10: 58 New
      17
      And what is incomprehensible? Who will pay for Skolkovo, Rusnano, etc. ? And who will pay for the "golden parachutes"?
      So stop whining! People also live hotz ...
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 20 January 2016 11: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: shvn
        And what is incomprehensible? Who will pay for Skolkovo, Rusnano, etc. ? And who will pay for the "golden parachutes"?
        So stop whining! People also live hotz ...


        You forgot about the very necessary Olympics - you can't do without it, the overly necessary World Cup, as well as the bridge to the "Russian" island
        1. shvn
          shvn 20 January 2016 13: 10 New
          +1
          It's all in "etc." ))
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 21 January 2016 13: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: sherp2015
          You forgot about the very necessary Olympics - you can't do without it, the overly necessary World Cup, as well as the bridge to the "Russian" island

          About the Olympics and the World Cup - I don’t presume to judge the economic component, but the Olympics raised the prestige of Russia, shutting up both the western screamers and domestic all-provers.
          If you call Crimea the Russian island in quotation marks, then I advise you to study history and geography.
          Crimea is a peninsula and has been Russian since 1783. Prior to that, the Crimea, although it was under the Turkish protectorate, was a Khanate, and in view of the fact that the upper Tatar estate was granted the rights and benefits of the Russian nobility (with their consent), the question of the ownership of Crimea is not relevant. By the way, Europe would have removed the same issue, only through genocide, the destruction of the clergy, religion and the imposition of Catholicism. The fact that Crimea has become an "island" for Russia is the fault of Gorbachev and his clique (he himself seemed to be against it). The adjacent territories in the form of Kherson, Odessa regions and the entire Donbass in general have always been Russian lands. The Bolsheviks cut the borders of the Ukrainian SSR not according to ethnicity, but proceeding from the convenience of management, during the collapse of the USSR, no one took into account either the referendum data or the wishes of local residents.
          If in doubt about the ownership of Crimea, go there and talk to the locals. If you seriously agitate for Ukraine, they can stuff your face (along with the rest of the carcass), without involving the police and the "terrible" FSB. There are probably dissatisfied, but their percentage is negligible, and it is difficult to find them. It is only on the Internet that the "daughters of officers" with Arizona and Virginia IP create some kind of illusion of protest. In general, international law welcomes self-determination and the theater of absurdity regarding the annexation of Crimea does not legally stand up to criticism.
          A bridge is economically necessary if there are no plans to make a land corridor. In fact, Crimea is not a subsidized region; it was brought to this state by kakly. All socially significant enterprises were deliberately destroyed. Housing and communal services was simply absent as a class; road services physically, apart from patching, could not do anything. In addition to the fact that Crimea is important in the defense plan, agriculture and industry are not unprofitable. You can’t even mention the fact that the nature of Crimea is better than Antalya, but tourism is a very profitable industry, and thanks to it, Crimea also survived during the feces. The construction of the bridge is not just economically viable; it is a very profitable infrastructure project, with a rather short payback period.
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 20 January 2016 11: 45 New
      11
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      you start to understand the details, brains begin to boil from misunderstandings.

      And what are the misunderstandings? The "elite" got used to eating from the belly, but here the trickle of dollars decreased, but the appetites remained the same, and the "elite" grew, and the kids grew up, they also need their "Plato" ...
      -Daddy, will you drink less?
      .......

      In general, it is clear further.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 20 January 2016 11: 51 New
        +5
        they also need "Plato" ...


        There is not enough PLATONS for all the snickering bourgeois ...

        The people and countries are not a bottomless barrel of money and oil ... when it all ends in a bad deed.
  • serg1970
    serg1970 20 January 2016 10: 44 New
    28
    What is dissatisfied with? Probably the fact that he is not paid extra at a gas station :)
  • Mahmut
    Mahmut 20 January 2016 10: 49 New
    39
    One official said that in our country oil production will be profitable even at a price of $ 10 per barrel.
    But due to whom it will be cost-effective, the person has not explained. And so it is clear. At the expense of the most patient and conscious citizens in the world.
  • Just felix
    Just felix 20 January 2016 10: 53 New
    +3
    50 cents per liter is normal, we have $ 1.65-1.70 per gallon, I know where $ 1.40 but where did the lady find 0.80? ...
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 20 January 2016 11: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Just Felix
      50 cents per liter is fine, we have $ 1.65-1.70 per gallon

      how is it calculated ?? 1 gallon = 4.55 liters (3,79) ... well, average up to 4 liters ..... multiply 50 cents by 4 liters = 2 bucks ... how did you get 1,65 .....
    2. Dryulea
      Dryulea 20 January 2016 11: 35 New
      +2
      If you count in gallons, you get 0,45 * 3,8 = 1,71 dollers per gallon
      1. Just felix
        Just felix 20 January 2016 13: 46 New
        0
        + gasoline without tax
    3. anfil
      anfil 20 January 2016 12: 12 New
      +2
      The minimum cost of gasoline in the United States dropped to 16 rubles per liter !!! added denzgr 19 January 2016 to 18: 21
      Gasoline in the US fell in price to 16 rubles per liter
      At several American gas stations recorded a record low level of fuel prices
      Last week, gas prices hit a low over the past ten years in Europe. And today, similar news came from the United States.
      According to Fox 2 Detroit, Michigan was the first US state to have recently recorded gas prices of less than 1 dollars per gallon. According to reporters, at one gas station in Houghton Lake, a gallon of gas was offered at a price of 95 cents, while at another gas station gasoline was even cheaper - only 78 cents. Thus, it is not difficult to calculate that, given the dollar exchange rate in 78 rubles, a liter of gasoline at these gas stations cost only 16-20 rubles.

      Of course, it is worth making a reservation, such a level of gas prices can be found far from every gas station in the United States. However, even without this, the cost of fuel in America remains at a rather low level. For example, according to the Metro newspaper, the average price of gas is 1,73 dollars per gallon or 35,6 rubles per liter. The cost of fuel also depends on the state. According to the portal Gasbuddy, the most expensive gasoline, taking into account average prices, is sold in California, where it costs 2,77 dollars per gallon (57 rubles per liter). The cheapest is in Oklahoma, where a gallon will cost 1,56 dollars (32 rubles per liter). By the way, according to recent statistics, in Russia a liter of 95 gasoline costs an average of 36,8 rubles.
      1. Just felix
        Just felix 20 January 2016 12: 44 New
        0
        In the United States, 16 rubles per liter, it is in such a remote place where it is almost not for sale. now I will go take a picture of real prices
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 20 January 2016 17: 13 New
        +3
        And you compare the size of salaries with us and with them - and everything will become clear!
  • Hubun
    Hubun 20 January 2016 10: 54 New
    +8
    So the American voices the price per gallon, and this in my opinion is 4,5 liters. And as you say, 50 cents is the same per liter. And in general, as a motorist, a very sore subject. How somewhere I read, how much it fuels fuel and lubricants if oil becomes free?)))))
    1. Just felix
      Just felix 20 January 2016 11: 05 New
      +4
      1 gal - 3.8 litas
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 20 January 2016 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      So the American voices the price per gallon, and this in my opinion is 4,5 liters. And as you say, 50 cents is the same per liter. And in general, as a motorist, a very sore subject. How somewhere I read, how much it fuels fuel and lubricants if oil becomes free?)))))

      Read the news:
      January 18, 2016 14:04
      Gasoline in the US fell in price to 16 rubles per liter
      According to Fox 2 Detroit, Michigan was the first US state to have recently recorded gas prices of less than 1 dollars per gallon. According to reporters, at one gas station in Houghton Lake, a gallon of gas was offered at a price of 95 cents, while at another gas station gasoline was even cheaper - only 78 cents. Thus, it is not difficult to calculate that, given the dollar exchange rate in 78 rubles, a liter of gasoline at these gas stations cost only 16-20 rubles.
  • hydrox
    hydrox 20 January 2016 11: 04 New
    14
    The author is dissatisfied with the fact that liberals squeezed juices from oil producers and oil refiners in order to mend the budget, and they cannot disconnect Russia's sovereignty from the State Department, the State Department does not allow Russia to become financially independent and develop the economy in the manner of Glazyev.
    So the author does not grieve, but look at the composition of the Pr-v of Russia, become exhausted and go sign up for the firing squad ... someday retaliation must happen!
  • Samaritan
    Samaritan 20 January 2016 11: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Riv
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces. :)))
    Today I was riding a bus to work. I gave 20 rubles for a ticket. The distance is five kilometers. In fact, the same money as on a car, even more.

    The author himself did not understand and did not explain to us what he was not satisfied with!
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 20 January 2016 11: 20 New
    +1
    To compare prices in the USA and ours is a dumb thing. A different economy and a different pricing principle. Yes, and we do not print green papers - therefore, we cannot afford to sponsor manufacturers (AvtoVAZ does not count). A more wonderful situation in Ukropia - the 95th gasoline there is about 20 hryvnias - we multiply by 3,2 = 64 rubles .... But you are outraged ...
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 11: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Sharapov
      A more wonderful situation in Ukropia - the 95th gasoline there is about 20 hryvnias - we multiply by 3,2 = 64 rubles .... But you are outraged ...

      only in dill oil is not extracted
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    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 20 January 2016 12: 20 New
      +2
      I do not understand, that is, the author makes a conclusion based on this ...
      The price of gasoline in the city of Houghton Lake in the US state of Michigan fell to 47 cents per gallon (3,8 liters), that is, below 10 cents per liter, which is about 7,8 rubles at the rate of the Central Bank. About it on tuesday RBC reports with reference to the TV channel ABC.
      (The news was reported by the Liberals, but the background was not reported)

      Patrick De Haan, representative of GazBuddy.com, which monitors gas prices in the United States, explained to the television channel that a record decrease in the price of a gallon occurred due to a price war between gas station networks in the state. (Due to price war, not due to falling oil prices)

      Around midnight, January 19 GasBuddy fixed the return of prices at the Beacon Bridge Market gas station to the 1,40 dollar per gallon

      Not long the music played ... at midnight the freebie turned into a pumpkin ....

      And the author says, that would be us such free gasoline.
      Moreover, screwing some of the special malicious policies of the Kremlin .... ah zhezh damned officials ... winked

      Moreover, such a gasoline, only in one single city .... in one .... and he stayed that way for a long time .... and in the country 80 cents is also not a fact. You can check it out. It's easy, using a computer and the Internet. smile

      Go to www.gasbuddy.com,american sitewhich monitors the price of gasoline ... and see that the average price of gasoline Regular 1.55,Midgrade 1.99,Premium 2.09.... and where is the free gasoline?

      And you say that a man armed with a computer .... may first need to know the average price in the US, on US sites ... and not from the news that stir, such kind of agencies as RBC, Rain, etc. .. .a then draw conclusions?

      As for Dakota ...
      The price of oil from North Dakota has fallen below zero - at least one potential buyer of the Flint Hills Resources refinery is asking to be paid $ 0,5 to "buy" this cheap grade of high sulfur oil.

      There were simply no other buyers for this oil ... that's all. And sulfur is what ruins engines very well.
      In addition ... this shale field caused a large number of oil spills ...
      In total, according to the agency, there were about 750 incidents that were not reported to the public, including almost 300 spills, at oil fields and oil pipelines during this period. The total volume of spilled oil was about 1,6 thousand barrels in 2012 year and more than 23 thousand barrels in 2013-m.


      And the extraction of this oil is extremely energy-intensive. And the costs of lawsuits, production, etc., must be paid.
    4. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 20 January 2016 12: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Sharapov
      we cannot afford to sponsor manufacturers (AvtoVAZ does not count)

      In fact, "sponsoring AvtoVAZ" is one of the false myths of the trade war against our manufacturers.
      Otherwise, everything is correct. It is stupid to compare Russia with the states and we do not publish the "world currency".
    5. CONTROL
      CONTROL 20 January 2016 12: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Sharapov
      To compare prices in the USA and ours is a dumb thing. A different economy and a different pricing principle. Yes, and we do not print green papers - therefore, we cannot afford to sponsor manufacturers (AvtoVAZ does not count). A more wonderful situation in Ukropia - the 95th gasoline there is about 20 hryvnias - we multiply by 3,2 = 64 rubles .... But you are outraged ...

      It is of course ... I attach my squeak to the loud indignation of gasoline consumers ... But, nevertheless, however! ... (see below ... very low ...)
      In reality, the steep decline in oil prices is the result of a global recession coupled with an oversupply caused by North American speculative investment in new oil fields and fueled by zero interest rate lending and trade war sanctions.
      criticize the Russian economy without taking into account the situation in the global economy as a whole. They point to the real (and far-fetched) problems of the Russian economy, thinking that the rest of the world and especially the West will show itself well and will develop thanks to its superior political and economic model. But there is an unpleasant fact that Western economies have completely failed and can only maintain a decent facade with the help of huge loans alone. For the past ten years, they could do this thanks to the monopoly of Western currencies, which ensured virtually zero rate and stability of the currency, despite the destructive borrowing at all levels of economic entities: the state, corporate sector and households ... what we are experiencing today is not an era the end of the hydrocarbon era, and the end of the western era of borrowing, which has provided drunken consumption for the last two decades. “Liberal” critics of the Russian economy are trying to convince that the West is doing well because of its supposedly more viable economic models, which are presented as innovative economies. The real picture in the West is that the USA, Canada, Australia, Japan and the EU, all of them are plagued by falling industrial production and exports, huge budget deficits, frightening poverty trends and chronic unemployment, which governments are trying to hide in official statistics by excluding unemployed from it .

      Jon Hellwig, MixedNews
    6. kepmor
      kepmor 20 January 2016 14: 55 New
      +2
      Are we living in Ukropia or is Russia out of oil?
      And the fact that, for some reason, economies and pricing principles are different, then this is- "nafig, nafig ... to a therapist ..." - to Putin, Medvedev and friends from the gop-company!
      And here you are outraged ... No, in your opinion, you need to wipe yourself and be silent in a rag ?!
  • almen1
    almen1 20 January 2016 11: 40 New
    +4
    Are you paid in cents?
  • lelikas
    lelikas 20 January 2016 11: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Riv
    I gave 20 rubles for a ticket. The distance is five kilometers. In fact, the same money as on a car, even more.

    We already have 30t ....
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      In fact, the same money as in a car,

      If you pay for an 365 000 car, it means with this money, in my city I can make 100 rs, make 3650 trips, or ride a taxi for ten years once every day on vacation and weekends and holidays. To this we add gasoline, fuels and lubricants, insurance, repairs, fines.
  • Boos
    Boos 20 January 2016 12: 13 New
    14
    The author is not happy with the fact that some people are not smart enough to profit from high-tech enterprises that they do not know how to create. And they stupidly cut coupons from motorists, imposing excise taxes on them with "tax" and other extortions. At the same time, covering up his mediocrity and unwillingness to work, with concern for national security and pensioners. Not forgetting about their intentions to raise the retirement age and plundering the existing pension fund at the same time.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 04 New
      -2
      To create a high-tech enterprise for the production of products, it is necessary from the beginning to find a stable sales market - the task is damn difficult.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 20 January 2016 12: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Riv
    Gas is 50 cents each.

    So the author writes, they say, and we also have about ... per liter. LITER, Carl. It is about 4 times less than a gallon. And we, yes, will continue to work on the bus ... My car is noticeable in the snow, even stopped taxing at night. In our depressive city (just in Yaroslavl, be it ...) there’s nowhere to earn extra money. I'm getting ready to get up off my knees, oh, forget about the salary.
  • olegkrava
    olegkrava 20 January 2016 13: 32 New
    +1
    At 50 cents a gallon, which is almost 5 liters, and that’s the same. It turns out 17 rubles. liter. Do you speak laptop?
  • tchoni
    tchoni 20 January 2016 13: 41 New
    +3
    So then per liter. And they have 80 per gallon, which is 3.7 liters for our measures. Those. a liter in a matrasland costs 17 wooden rubles ... With an average salary of 160 with our money! -)
  • Alf
    Alf 20 January 2016 23: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Riv
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces.

    Ah, how wonderful, gasoline has fallen in price. In the bucks. Do you also receive a salary in dollars, or in rubles?
    Quote: Riv
    Today I was riding a bus to work. I gave 20 rubles for a ticket. The distance is five kilometers. In fact, the same money as on a car, even more.

    Is the bus moving in holy spirit, or is it also on gasoline? Gasoline has fallen in price, even in rubles, and for some reason there is no fare in it. Paradox...
  • orlandoche
    orlandoche 21 January 2016 10: 37 New
    0
    It is clear what the author is dissatisfied with. At gas stations, prices are only rising. It doesn’t matter how much oil costs, more expensive or cheaper. Strange mathematics. Anyway, there are always a couple of magicians who will explain that it should be and only that way for the country as a whole.
  • Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 21 January 2016 21: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Riv
    Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces. :)))

    А negative ha, do not want do not live, do not want do not eat, but what? No one forces
  • Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 21 January 2016 21: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Riv
    Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces.

    Do not want do not live - also no one forces ...
  • 75 hammer
    75 hammer 20 January 2016 10: 40 New
    +1
    It’s impossible to understand Russia with the mind, you can’t measure it with a common arshin;
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 January 2016 11: 10 New
      16
      Quote: Hammer 75
      The mind does not understand Russia ..

      "It's time already, mother, to understand Russia with the mind!" (from)
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        "It's time already, mother, to understand Russia with the mind!"

        otherwise, instead of the mind, they will put it on us’s skull!
  • Engineer
    Engineer 20 January 2016 10: 41 New
    +7
    What does the primitive distillation of oil have to do with it? The United States buys oil, because if the price is lower, they can buy more and lower the price of oil products domestically, because they can buy more with the same money. We sell oil, because lowering the price of it leads to losses and can be compensated by companies with an increase in export volumes, which is limited by one increase in the price of oil products in the country. This is very primitively said, but reading the idea that lowering the price of oil in our country should lead to a decrease in the price of gasoline causes only laughter.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 11: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Engineer
      This is very primitively said, but reading the idea that lowering the price of oil in our country should lead to a decrease in the price of gasoline causes only laughter.

      fool What can I say to that? request
      In your opinion, it turns out that if we stop producing oil and act as buyers of this very oil, then our oil products will become cheaper ?!
      Where the hell do you come from such economists? But, apparently, you "take" in some unnatural way, just like our gasoline.
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Where did you come from, such economists?
        + + + +
        am fool fool
    2. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 46 New
      +3
      When oil rises in price, companies earn extra profits from selling oil abroad and excess profits from selling gasoline domestically.
      Quote: Engineer
      therefore, a decrease in the price of it leads to losses and can be offset by an increase in companies
      gas prices in the country, but does not allow to return to normal profits, from super-super-profits.
      In other words, when oil rises in price on the foreign market, the price of gasoline on the domestic market should have fallen so that companies do not have excess profit, but double excess profit is beneficial to the state due to an increase in the company's profit tax, especially since 51% of the state . Moreover, you can remember: road taxes were introduced into the price of gasoline, but road taxes were not removed, they remained. This is how great they worried about the people. It’s a direct biblical truth: if I hit you on the family wallet in your right pocket, you must open the second family wallet in your left pocket.
      And how's the wife’s wallet doing?
  • V.ic
    V.ic 20 January 2016 10: 42 New
    18
    Then the bread and chickens may become cheaper. Author Alexander Staver

    Products became cheaper only with the presence of the communists, in the form of a "leading and guiding force." When de "" mocrats are in power, one should not hope for a "leading role of the market".
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 January 2016 10: 51 New
      24
      Quote: V.ic
      When de "" mocrats are in power, one should not hope for a "leading role of the market".

      Because they liked the "market" economy!
      Everything is privatized, given into the hands of private traders and "it's in the bag"!
      You, an official, are sitting in your chair and are not responsible for anything!
      Private enterprises, so all their problems are private, not yours!
      It’s your business to cut taxes and write fines!
      It is not necessary to extract anything, it is not necessary to provide work!
      Know, take care of your salary, so that you have enough for everything, and let the lower classes spin if they want to live!
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 20 January 2016 11: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: V.ic
        When de "" mocrats are in power, one should not hope for a "leading role of the market".

        Because they liked the "market" economy!
        Everything is privatized, given into the hands of private traders and "it's in the bag"!
        You, an official, are sitting in your chair and are not responsible for anything!
        Private enterprises, so all their problems are private, not yours!
        It’s your business to cut taxes and write fines!
        It is not necessary to extract anything, it is not necessary to provide work!
        Know, take care of your salary, so that you have enough for everything, and let the lower classes spin if they want to live!

        That is the way around the world !!!
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 20 January 2016 20: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Know, take care of your salary, so that you have enough for everything, and let the lower classes spin if they want to live!


        Those. the conclusion is: What the heck is such a government to us ?!
      3. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 20 January 2016 20: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        You, an official, are sitting in your chair and are not responsible for anything!

        Only the seats are increasing ... increasing.
  • Lanista
    Lanista 20 January 2016 10: 42 New
    24
    I give a business idea.
    The average price of a metal barrel in which oil is sold is 10 $. We are waiting for oil to fall below 10 $, buy oil, pour it from barrels, sell barrels. PROFIT.
    1. Sharapov
      Sharapov 20 January 2016 11: 28 New
      0
      That is, in tankers they transport oil in barrels? Interesting .... Do not confuse the measure of volume (which is actually used in the sale of oil) and tanks that are practically not used in business. For the disposal of oil will also have to pay, otherwise a fine - do not worry about mom.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 20 January 2016 11: 50 New
        +9
        Quote: Sharapov
        That is, in tankers they transport oil in barrels? Interesting....

        Damn, the man is joking, and you take at face value ...
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 20 January 2016 11: 58 New
      +9
      Quote: Lanista
      PROFIT

      Drinking water is more expensive, it’s easier to drill water wells for everyone and sell them.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 09 New
        +1
        That's just who will buy water abroad, if the countries in which there is not enough drinking water, the bulk are poor.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 20 January 2016 17: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          That's just who will buy water abroad, if the countries in which there is not enough drinking water, the bulk are poor.

          This can be asked from those who have been sharpening a tooth on our Baikal for a long time - like it should belong to everyone ....
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 January 2016 22: 48 New
            0
            And who is sharpening this?
    3. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross 20 January 2016 12: 23 New
      +2
      Business partners not needed?
      Two will be handy)))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2016 17: 27 New
        +1
        Now it costs from 45 thousand rubles to drill a well.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 January 2016 10: 42 New
    21
    Fiercely plus.
    Fuel is logistics for me.
    For me, because I work in trade
    and take the products in the store where they are brought.
    And, I’m also getting to work from work.
    And it’s not at all cool that all these things are getting more expensive
    the reason for the rise in price of fuel.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 January 2016 11: 37 New
      +6
      Fuel is logistics for me.


      And it’s not at all cool that all these things are getting more expensive
      the reason for the rise in price of fuel.


      My question is, how did everything go up in price in the first half of last year when fuel did not go up? Moreover, the dollar fell in the spring and summer. And the prices rose anyway.

      A farmer cannot sell cheap products because fuel costs are huge.


      Interestingly, a farmer has more expensive fuel than a store or a distribution network? Or is something else stopping him from selling meat cheaper than in a store or retail chain?
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 January 2016 10: 43 New
    0
    But it’s a shame somehow to pay at the gas station more than where the same oil never happened.


    The average consumer price for gasoline as of January 11 was 34,89 rubles per liter, including for gasoline of the AI-76 / AI-80 brand - 32,23 rubles (December 28 - 32,16 rubles), AI-92 / AI- 93 - 33,91 rubles (33,95 rubles), AI-95 and above - 36,80 rubles (36,84 rubles).
    In Tai, if you throw back their ethanol-charged fuel, the prices for 92 and 95 are about the same.
    Small print: The ratio of the ruble to the baht (officially in the bank) is 1 to 4. i.e. the cost in rubles will be 136 rubles and 144 rubles, respectively, per liter in Thai.
    1. shvn
      shvn 20 January 2016 11: 02 New
      +5
      Hey, bro, and in Honduras, you don’t know what the price of gasoline is?
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 20 January 2016 10: 43 New
    +8
    can sell crude oil to a private trader? drive yourself, it will be cheaper at times ... wassat
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    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 20 January 2016 11: 39 New
      +2
      So they drive. No excise taxes. In the North Caucasus, a fairly common business. Only this is the same as driving excise alcohol - a criminal article
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 11 New
      +1
      And to kill motors with such self-made fuel.
  • Million
    Million 20 January 2016 10: 45 New
    +2
    We just have a different economy)
  • Private IITR
    Private IITR 20 January 2016 10: 45 New
    13
    Oil is getting more expensive - it is more profitable for oil companies to sell it abroad, there is a shortage in the country, therefore, gas prices are rising. Oil becomes cheaper, oil companies incur losses, raise prices in the domestic market to compensate for losses. Everything is simple)
    1. shvn
      shvn 20 January 2016 11: 03 New
      +6
      Is this what Dimon's friends say?
    2. Sharapov
      Sharapov 20 January 2016 11: 40 New
      +4
      Oil and gas production in Russia is a structure separate from the rest of the economy. How to compare Moscow (and St. Petersburg) with the rest of Russia. This is incomparable. These are other bablos. Oil and gas producers do not hesitate to wind up the cost of production as they want. FAS is inactive. You probably heard about the tragedy - how did you steal a lady’s handbag from an ordinary cleaning polisher from Gazprom? worth .... more than 200 thousand. The annual salary of a certified doctor in the Ryazan region.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 17 New
        -2
        Yes, she bought this bag for her last savings - now the fashion is in Moscow - you are not rich but you want to hang out and buy expensive things - the bag costs 2 million and for such exclusive goods, even the richest in line.
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 20 January 2016 11: 41 New
      -2
      Everything is simple)


      I also once thought so. Well, we turn on the head, even in the article there is an indication of "taxes". There is such a thing - "tax maneuver". When oil prices are high, taxes are also high, when oil prices are low, the burden of taxes is shifted to refining. So there can be no reduction in fuel prices either with a drop in oil or with an increase. And the rise in prices is the norm for the capitalist economy.
      1. tux
        tux 20 January 2016 14: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: alicante11
        I also once thought so. Well, we turn on the head, even in the article there is an indication of "taxes". There is such a thing - "tax maneuver". When oil prices are high, taxes are also high, when oil prices are low, the burden of taxes is shifted to refining. So there can be no reduction in fuel prices either with a drop in oil or with an increase. And the rise in prices is the norm for the capitalist economy.


        But nothing that is extracted and transported and refined and sold by us is the same company, and not different ones - i.e. we have monopolies in their pure form. For example, Gazprom.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 21 January 2016 02: 17 New
          0
          Well, yes, monopolies. And how does this affect the tax maneuver?
  • 1536
    1536 20 January 2016 10: 48 New
    +7
    Why again raise the question. Looks like gasoline has also fallen in price in Ukraine? There was something to talk about.
    Americans print dollars when and how much is needed. They have the Fed working 25 hours a day. Instead of the State Bank, we have the Central Bank. Centro! And he can’t do anything without looking back at this Fed, the IMF, and other Western financial institutions.
    Here are the results of the "work" of gorlopanov in the late 1980s - early 1990s in Russia, when they foamed at the mouth they proved to their compatriots how the communists sold everything, receive rations and rest at the expense of the people from morning to evening, how everything is cool in the West how hopeless everything is with us. They also walked and groaned then, how they did not want to ride Zhiguli, listen to VEF, etc. You name the names of who every day from the screen, goggling, announces to the people that it is necessary "to improve the collection of something and to make the system transparent and understandable for this." Do you understand the meaning of the magic word "volatility" (not to be confused with red tape)? The answer is simple: this subject is talking about nothing. Uncle Gorby No. 2, striving for power. And we all help him in this.
    It's only the beginning!
    1. andj61
      andj61 20 January 2016 11: 04 New
      +7
      Quote: 1536
      Americans print dollars when and how much is needed. They have the Fed working 25 hours a day. Instead of the State Bank, we have the Central Bank. Centro! And he can’t do anything without looking back at this Fed, the IMF, and other Western financial institutions.

      So with us, the ruble is not a sovereign currency, but a stub attached to the dollar, to some extent replacing this very dollar in Russia. And the economy to a very large extent is a raw material appendage of the West. In a crisis and a clear confrontation with the Americans, it is high time to have our own, truly independent monetary system, and the economy just needs to be transferred to mobilization rails. Only our government is simply not capable of this ...
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 20 January 2016 10: 48 New
    10
    It’s time to probably get used to the fact that gasoline always rises in price, and does not depend on the price of oil.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 20 January 2016 11: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Nikolay71
      It’s time to probably get used to the fact that gasoline always rises in price, and does not depend on the price of oil.

      It’s time to get used to it, that it’s a business, and the businessman is thinking about stuffing his own pocket, and not about the welfare of the people, this is not why he opened his own business. So why do prices suddenly fall?
      There was a good buckwheat crop, why should it suddenly fall? Its cost price has simply decreased, and the businessman’s profit has grown, why should he think about the people? He thinks about his own pocket. The rest, if they want to live better, then let them spin. These are the realities of the modern world.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 20 January 2016 11: 45 New
        +2
        Forgive you for how many years that you hope that someone will have to think about your well-being? Your parents took care of him, even before 18 or until you went to work. And then you yourself. Or do you really think that officials, businessmen or someone else should take care that you have food in the refrigerator, clean clothes in the closet and the priest is washed? What kind of infantilism in 56 years?
        1. chikenous59
          chikenous59 20 January 2016 12: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Forgive you for how many years that you hope that someone will have to think about your well-being? Your parents took care of him, even before 18 or until you went to work. And then you yourself. Or do you really think that officials, businessmen or someone else should take care that you have food in the refrigerator, clean clothes in the closet and the priest is washed? What kind of infantilism in 56 years?

          Was this comment addressed to me?
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 20 January 2016 11: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: Nikolay71
      It’s time to probably get used to the fact that gasoline always rises in price, and does not depend on the price of oil.

      Quote: chikenous59
      It’s time to get used to it, that it’s a business, and the businessman is thinking about stuffing his own pocket, and not about the welfare of the people, this is not why he opened his own business. So why do prices suddenly fall?
      There was a good buckwheat crop, why should it suddenly fall? Its cost price has simply decreased, and the businessman’s profit has grown, why should he think about the people? He thinks about his own pocket. The rest, if they want to live better, then let them spin. These are the realities of the modern world.


      And why should we get used to this bestial attitude from the authorities ??
      1. Egen
        Egen 20 January 2016 11: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: sherp2015
        And why should we get used to this bestial attitude from the authorities ??


        share alternatives)))
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 12: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Egen
          share alternatives)))

          summarize the article? belay
      2. chikenous59
        chikenous59 20 January 2016 12: 09 New
        -4
        Quote: sherp2015
        And why should we get used to this bestial attitude from the authorities ??

        What does the government have to do with it? This is a business.
        So, before starting a business, I did not sleep at night, did a lot of work, counted everything, calculated, drafted a business plan, worked out dozens of suppliers of my products, etc.
        As a result, my business began to grow and make a profit, began to live well and my family too.
        I repeat, I did a tremendous job before starting to make money.
        And then someone tells me that someone who works for hire, sits on a salary, does not invest his money, not bearing any risks, saying that I sell expensive products.
        Well this is ridiculous.
        It means I have worked, determined the cost, determined the "margin", and they say to me: "I have little money, sell it cheaper." What for? Why did I try? To make money as well as a hard worker in a factory? 30-50 thousand? Well, I do not.
        These are the laws of business. He who cannot afford something must find a method so that what he cannot afford now does not seem so expensive.
        This of course does not apply to senior citizens, sick people, etc.
        Healthy individuals should understand that the world is changing, maybe not for the better, but they must understand that if you want to live well in modern conditions, you need to spin, work, think and take risks. Otherwise, 30-50 thousand is the ceiling.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 12: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: chikenous59
          Healthy individuals should understand that the world is changing, maybe not for the better, but they must understand that if you want to live well in modern conditions, you need to spin, work, think and take risks. Otherwise, 30-50 thousand is the ceiling.

          Are you proposing that 146 million residents of the Russian Federation become "businessmen" without exception?
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 20 January 2016 12: 29 New
            -4
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Are you proposing that 146 million residents of the Russian Federation become "businessmen" without exception?

            Why 146 million? Why do you think children, the elderly, the disabled?
            As for becoming businessmen, now the economic structure of the world has changed.
            Capitalism and all that, the world has become wild, hypocritical, merciless, etc.
            The gap between rich and poor has widened. It really is a disaster!
            But what to do? Neither you, nor I, nor our neighbor came up with such an economic model.
            Therefore, I say that if you don’t want to adapt to this situation, then you will be poor. I did not say that such a situation is good. This is bad, of course.
            But complaining in the current environment that you get paid little is pointless. Now you are not the USSR, when the labor was paid the way you worked.
            If you want to live well, spin, move, take risks!
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 20 January 2016 13: 15 New
              +3
              Capitalism and all that, the world has become wild, hypocritical, merciless, etc.


              Sorry, but it was not the WORLD that became "wild, hypocritical and merciless." It is PEOPLE who have become like that. And to nod at "peace", it is, of course, convenient, the main thing is not to forget about your "margin", and do not care about others.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 14: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: chikenous59
              If you want to live well, spin, move, take risks!

              I wonder in what area do you create surplus value? wink
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          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 27 New
            -6
            The more businessmen, the more enterprises - from small to large ones, the more jobs, the less unemployment, more tax deductions to the treasury, the more deductions the higher the welfare of the country as a whole.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 20 January 2016 15: 05 New
              +5
              The more businessmen, the more enterprises - from small to large ones, the more jobs, the less unemployment, more tax deductions to the treasury, the more deductions the higher the welfare of the country as a whole.


              Yeah, we heard it in the late 80s, but in the 90s these businessmen were just heaps of people. And how everyone lived then and there was no unemployment, only the salary was not paid, but "deducted" to the common fund. But this is not the main thing. The main thing is business, enterprises. We must work, not speculate. If we start doing everything, we'll die of hunger.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 January 2016 16: 58 New
                0
                And who speculates, I have the production of custom parts and several services for the repair and maintenance of cars.
                1. Starina_hank
                  Starina_hank 20 January 2016 20: 48 New
                  +1
                  I suggest not to mention the quality of "garage" spare parts !!!
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 20 January 2016 22: 53 New
                    0
                    Spare parts are bushings, trunnions, couplings, plain bearings, etc. to order of any complexity - production on 3D machines and DMG machining centers.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 21 January 2016 01: 14 New
                      0
                      Happy for you. But you still work in the service sector, not production. At the same time, exclusive spare parts are very expensive relative to serial ones, therefore the niche is very small in principle, and large start-up capital is required to organize such a business. So this is not a mass business at all, as you say MORE businessmen.
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        3. alicante11
          alicante11 20 January 2016 13: 14 New
          +1
          I mean I have worked, determined the cost, determined the "margin",


          Cool. You have counted, and everyone should chip in on your "margin" for you to live well. This is how successful businessmen think. Others don't survive.
          1. Railway
            Railway 23 January 2016 08: 08 New
            0
            If you are not able to create your own business, then improve your professional skills, become a highly qualified specialist in your field, and trust me, your earnings will allow you to live no worse than a businessman. Having changed their car service, there are minders and locksmiths, and so the minder receives a salary of 80-100 tr. That for our region, in the conditions of 5 working days-2 days off, it is simply wonderful, since in the motors he is "GOD". By the way, my personal income, after payments, rarely exceeds this amount.
    3. Naum
      Naum 20 January 2016 11: 51 New
      +4
      quote = Nikolay71] It's time to probably get used to the fact that gasoline always rises in price, and does not depend on the price of oil. [/ quote]
      It’s hard to get used to illogisms ... Everything is upside down. The logical chain is not taken into account at all: the rise in price of fuel = the rise in price of industrial goods and food products = a decrease in the purchasing power of the population = a decrease in taxes on trade = a fall in living standards = political instability. Is the game worth the candle? Hardly...
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 20 January 2016 17: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: chikenous59
        If you want to live well, spin, move, take risks!

        I heard it somewhere
  • mpzss
    mpzss 20 January 2016 10: 52 New
    +6
    Here you are again about gasoline! Got it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Why does it all come down to the cost of a liter of gasoline !?
    Yes, I agree that all cargo logistics are tied to the cost of transportation, but let's be objective, I already wrote this earlier, let's take a liter of gasoline, in my city it costs 92 rubles for Lukoil 34,45, I refueled today, we go to the store, a bottle water 45,50 rubles (bonaqua), but the water is not a liter, but 0,6 liters, we do not know by tricky calculation 1 lit. of this water costs almost 79 rubles ...
    Now compare:
    1 - the process of making gasoline with luce; we add the excise tax on gasoline, all taxes, maintenance and servicing of oil pipelines, distillation plants, etc .;
    2 - and the process of pouring water from the tap (even through filters) into bottles.
    Logistics of delivery of both of them will be considered approximately equal, now think for yourself where there is more profit !?
    And so it can be compared with many of our things consumption.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 20 January 2016 11: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: mpzss
      Why does it all come down to the cost of a liter of gasoline !?


      Everything is very simple, because the cost of energy (not just gasoline) is the sum of everything else - heat, water, electricity, ore, metal, grain, fish, meat, cloth, etc. Energy is the basis of everything, as you can’t understand . And who has cheaper energy, he is on a horse. And all other reasoning, it’s from the evil one, to confuse people’s head.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 20 January 2016 10: 53 New
    +3
    Explain to me how so? it turns out. Oil - the price for it is now growing now falling, and the prices in the country for gasoline are only rising)))
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 January 2016 11: 43 New
      +2
      Read my post above. It is written there.
  • guzik007
    guzik007 20 January 2016 10: 54 New
    +4
    Do you know why in depressed cities houses periodically explode due to an alleged gas leak? My version - at one time some nerd posted on the network a method of distilling gas into a liquefied state in a kitchen. And away we go, beggarly kulibins who fill the cans with gas seized on the idea. With predictable results. And could refuel with cheap gas, if not for the greed of those in power.
  • erased
    erased 20 January 2016 10: 54 New
    +9
    Natural resources are the property of those who own them. That is, not the people. People pay for the fact that someone else’s owns their resources. These are the laws of business and life in the Russian Federation. Who does not agree is an agent of influence of the West.
    Along the way, I am also an agent. Would have paid for it ...
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 20 January 2016 11: 06 New
      -4
      Quote: erased
      Natural resources are the property of those who own them. That is, not the people.

      And when in history did people possess natural wealth? Never.
      Because otherwise the civil war will begin and never end due to the redistribution of the market, therefore the wealth is controlled by the state, so to speak, all in one hand.
      Also with money. Why can a handful of people print them and the rest can't? For the same reason.
      Remove the State from many chains and get anarchy, civil wars, feuds.
      We have been through this more than once, starting with the long feudal wars.
  • ABVGDEZH
    ABVGDEZH 20 January 2016 10: 57 New
    +4
    Oil began to cost 30% from previous times, and gasoline only grew (thanks for just a little bit).
    It turns out that gasoline is not really from oil.
    1. smith7
      smith7 20 January 2016 13: 38 New
      +2
      Not only from the price of oil is the price of gasoline. Product price = direct costs (materials, components (components), salaries of the main workers) + overhead costs (the cost of maintaining fixed assets, transportation and procurement costs, expenses for social services, salaries of the managerial staff, energy costs for the production and technological cycle, etc. . etc.). Those. generally so. Details of the price calculation are diverse ... But without a doubt, production + transportation of crude oil + production of gasoline + commodity margin objectively became more expensive than in 2005-2010. The question is how much? He will always be a question. And to a large extent, the answer will depend on how much you can pay for the goods (gasoline). And now the most important question: why is this national treasure (Russia's oil and gas resource a national treasure!) Ended up in the hands of several cunning guys who found themselves in the right place on time? Is it time to restore the status quo? As soon as this question escalates, there will be a war, hot, with the deaths of many people. The oligarchs are powerful and powerful and consider Russian oil and gas to be their personal property, which they don’t refuse without a fight.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 January 2016 10: 58 New
    +2
    And what can be satisfied. In a normal market economy, the value of processed goods depends on the price of raw materials. Raw materials are getting more expensive, goods are getting more expensive, raw materials are getting cheaper next. We have a guard. No matter what happens in the oil and gas markets, prices are only rising. And they find a bunch of explanations. Recall that we were sung by Chubais and other specialists in the 90s, and what really happened. In short, some grabbers.
  • Nikolaih
    Nikolaih 20 January 2016 11: 00 New
    0
    Well, yes, a liter is 50 cents, only in a gallon 4 liters and by simple calculations we get $ 2 per gallon. And so all is well.
    1. xBoris
      xBoris 20 January 2016 11: 08 New
      +1
      .. the fact of the matter is that 47 cents per HALON!
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 20 January 2016 11: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: xBoris
        the fact of the matter is that 47 cents per HALON!


        And you still take into account the wages in our states as well, that is, the purchasing power of the ruble, well, you will get very interesting conclusions. How much we and the Americans need to work to buy a gallon of gas. Chat with smart people.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 January 2016 11: 02 New
    12
    "And then, after talking about this, I got into the Internet. Really?
    I really haven't received an answer to this. "////

    US benz prices really drop to 10-20
    cents per liter. They do not have state taxes on gasoline. All profit -
    gasoline producer.
    All types of oil are produced in the United States: from the lightest and the most expensive (this also includes "ordinary",
    and shale), to the heaviest (with large admixtures of sulfur).
    Oil refineries there do deep oil refining and just do it
    any rubbish for high-octane gasoline (even residual fuel oil is processed). Factories work on a very
    modern technology and the cost of gasoline is low. They export gasoline.
    Like its light oil. It is more profitable to sell it to Europe than supply it to your plants.
    And they import cheap heavy oil.
    1. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 20 January 2016 11: 21 New
      +3
      It’s not entirely true - it’s not because of this that the United States buys oil ... from light oil you won’t make a solarium!
  • Awaz
    Awaz 20 January 2016 11: 03 New
    +2
    I do not understand the irony of the author. Maybe in some ways he is right. Especially in terms of the fact that expensive fuel really strains the economy and is one of the components of high domestic prices for everything. But in the current circumstances, for some reason, salaries began to be measured in dollars and we still consider the price of oil in rubles and also complain. We have different prices for different goods with the USA. Why no one is outraged that in the United States a Hamburger costs 5 bucks and in Russia 1.
    1. R150
      R150 20 January 2016 11: 18 New
      0
      yes stuffing it.
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    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 20 January 2016 11: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: AwaZ
      Why no one is outraged that in the United States a Hamburger costs 5 bucks and in Russia 1.

      And who in Russia, for example in Irkutsk, is interested in how much a hamburger costs? Or in Abakan for example? Or in Blagoveshchensk?
      So Moscow is not the whole of Russia ...
      1. QWERTY
        QWERTY 20 January 2016 13: 14 New
        +1
        Well, I don’t know how in Abakan and whether McDonald’s is there at all ... But the price of a hamburger on the network is absolutely the same. There were absolutely the same price in these establishments in Voronezh, Yaroslavl, Murmansk, St. Petersburg.
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 20 January 2016 14: 32 New
        +1
        Well, let's compare the cost of housing in an average brick high-rise apartment, for example, 50 square meters, in a new building. Not in the capitals but in the average regional center of the Russian Federation and about the same US city with a population of half a million.
        1. Kadavercianin
          Kadavercianin 20 January 2016 19: 17 New
          0
          And let's compare taxes and the cost of utility bills, insurance, etc., and let's compare the number of consumer loans per person and the percentage of payments on them (who owes how much), let's first translate all prices fully into one currency, taking into account the features of the work of certain industries economy, the average number of cars per person and the average distance that he needs to travel per day, and then we begin to draw conclusions from who what and how.

          Everyone considers oil in bucks, and gasoline in rubles without transfer and inflation, as well as taking into account the global economic crisis.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 20 January 2016 11: 04 New
    0
    Business idea: We take off, buy a gas station. We refuel, (we don’t buy gasoline, then our refueling. We sell the refueling (now we don’t need it anymore). We put everything in our pocket and everyone is happy.
  • megadeth
    megadeth 20 January 2016 11: 05 New
    +2
    It is necessary for Russia to bring down oil prices (up to $ 5), one hell to our people that 75, that 100, 120 for a dollar, but let's see how men in women's clothing (Saudis) spinning .....
  • xBoris
    xBoris 20 January 2016 11: 08 New
    +8
    .. it’s not clear what to want .. Toli to shoot all the oligarchs, toli to drive the government, as in 1917 .. to lift Stalin’s roofing felts ... roofing felts ... - They bullied me in a word .. !!!!
    1. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 20 January 2016 11: 22 New
      +1
      A little bit of everything ...!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 40 New
      +1
      Only dumping and promoting their people in the State Duma, only the problem is how long our people will be there acting in the interests of the people, not theirs - the government is intoxicating.
  • mpzss
    mpzss 20 January 2016 11: 13 New
    0
    All of you are shouting again: “the price of oil has fallen!”, But it has fallen, and the dollar has grown, and the difference has been compensated for! And regarding the cost of oil in the USA, judging by the site http://ru.globalpetrolprices.com/USA/gasoline_prices/ litasp costs xnumx bucks!
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 20 January 2016 11: 14 New
    -3
    Questions of the article from the category, "I'll pretend to be a fool."
    there is no social burden in the price of American gasoline, unlike ours and European ones. Both in our country and in Europe, the price of gasoline is a kind of social tax on consumption. The component of this "tax" can reach 70-80% of the price of a liter. In the context of the need to stabilize the social component of the budget, lowering the price of fuel is a bullet in your foot, not to say worse. Hence the difference in price behavior.
    All other conversations on the topic of "guard to rob" is empty demagoguery. If we remove this component from the fuel price, we will get cheap fuel, but the social sector will disappear from the budget. In addition, one must understand that our country is in a state of constant struggle for survival ... no, not with enemies, with nature. Up to 50% of the extracted energy resources, in our country, is spent stupidly in order not to freeze. America has no such natural burden. Accordingly, the burden on the state is lower. So draw your conclusions.
    1. MMX
      MMX 20 January 2016 11: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Pacifist
      Questions of the article from the category, "I'll pretend to be a fool."
      there is no social burden in the price of American gasoline, unlike ours and European ones. Both in our country and in Europe, the price of gasoline is a kind of social tax on consumption. The component of this "tax" can reach 70-80% of the price of a liter. In the context of the need to stabilize the social component of the budget, lowering the price of fuel is a bullet in your foot, not to say worse. Hence the difference in price behavior.
      All other conversations on the topic of "guard to rob" is empty demagoguery. If we remove this component from the fuel price, we will get cheap fuel, but the social sector will disappear from the budget. In addition, one must understand that our country is in a state of constant struggle for survival ... no, not with enemies, with nature. Up to 50% of the extracted energy resources, in our country, is spent stupidly in order not to freeze. America has no such natural burden. Accordingly, the burden on the state is lower. So draw your conclusions.


      Why are you ripping off the veils now? Do not let us feel sorry for ourselves and shake our fist in the direction of the oil industry ...
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 20 January 2016 11: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Pacifist
      If we remove this component from the price of fuel, we will get cheap fuel,


      With such a government and legislators, I assure you you will never get cheap fuel.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 42 New
        -1
        Under a different government and legislators it will be the same, and maybe worse - our sheep are better than those we do not know.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 20 January 2016 20: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          our rams are better than those


          That's just the sheep there should not be, and our troubles because they are there.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 20 January 2016 20: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Pacifist
      stabilization of the social component


      And what is your social component?
  • shimus
    shimus 20 January 2016 11: 14 New
    +3
    In Russia, gasoline is made of gold! Thanks to alchemists in the State Duma and the Ministry of Finance !!!
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 20 January 2016 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Riv
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. :)))

    Already less - 45 cents. With the growth of the dollar, gasoline is getting cheaper. Life is getting better! wink
    It seems that the author does not know the fundamental principles of Russian fuel pricing:
    1. When oil prices rise, since gasoline is made from oil, then gas prices should rise.
    2. When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
    3. When oil prices are stable, gas prices rise because of inflation.


    Yeah! Here is such an epidemic in Russia.
  • OlegV
    OlegV 20 January 2016 11: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Private OITR
    Oil is getting more expensive - it is more profitable for oil companies to sell it abroad, there is a shortage in the country, therefore, gas prices are rising. Oil becomes cheaper, oil companies incur losses, raise prices in the domestic market to compensate for losses. Everything is simple)


    I agree +
    1. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 20 January 2016 11: 24 New
      0
      This is almost the truth ... !!
  • raid14
    raid14 20 January 2016 11: 26 New
    +1
    Where and how, someone nayet.et only I do not understand where? The dollar exchange rate is $ 1 -79.43r, 1 US gallon 3,78 liters. if they pay 80 cents per gallon, that is 63 rubles 60 kopecks. and accordingly, the price of a liter of 1 liter of gasoline is in the range of 17-18 rubles.
    1. Egen
      Egen 20 January 2016 11: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: raid14
      Where and how, someone nayet.et only I do not understand where?


      oh, dear, that's the whole trick !! - in order to earn money and no one understood how)) Who knows how - he sits at the top, and you and I ... here)
      1. raid14
        raid14 20 January 2016 11: 51 New
        +1
        Good power to whom it is at heart, thimbles in comparison with them are just shelupon.
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    3. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 20 January 2016 12: 10 New
      0
      We have excise taxes in gasoline, which then finance the budget. So either cheap gasoline or the budget. Do you want excise taxes in gasoline, then let's draw up a budget deficit of 30%, let all our state employees rest.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 20 January 2016 12: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Good AAAH
        We have excise taxes in gasoline, which then finance the budget. So either cheap gasoline or the budget.

        Cheap energy is the engine of the economy, but most likely this thesis is not yours. request
        Have you heard about the VAT tax?
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      3. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 20 January 2016 19: 16 New
        +2
        As long as we are led by Putin with his liberal domestic policy, while Medvedev will be at the head of the government, and until our economy gets off the oil needle and develops, while our financial system submits to the US Federal Reserve, it will be so! I don’t see the lumen!
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 20 January 2016 20: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Saratoga833
          I don’t see the lumen!


          So while only 16 years have come, there is time for preparation.
      4. Ros 56
        Ros 56 20 January 2016 20: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Good AAAH
        all our state employees will rest.


        And state employees, who is this in your opinion?
  • Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 20 January 2016 11: 27 New
    +6
    Summer is coming soon. The question of trust in Putin will rise to such a height ... The further, the less ... Now - Putin is good, and the government is bad. What is this if not the "Good Cop - Bad Cop" method.
    And the GDP does not give the people "forks" neither the government, nor the Central Bank, nor the financial system in general. The oligarchs are closer to him. And you "plebs" do not understand anything. It's sickening to see it all. Got enough.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 20 January 2016 11: 30 New
    11
    This situation not only happens with oil and fuel.
    Take for example a polypropylene granule from which during processing polypropylene or polystyrene ropes are obtained. Polypropylene granule, also from oil.
    We have been working with the manufacturer for a decade and a half. And characteristically, the price of oil is rising - the price of polypropylene is rising. The price of oil is falling - the price of polypropylene is rising.
    It grows quarterly and at times. At first, there was not enough capacity for the production of this granule within the Russian Federation. At the moment, there is an abundance of them, and still growing!
    It is more profitable to import polypropylene ropes in the Russian Federation not only from India or China, but even from Europe and the USA! Cheaper!
    Someone tried to build a market in Russia, but as a result they built a bazaar!

    It is time to return to a planned economy. Or someone else doubts?
    1. Egen
      Egen 20 January 2016 11: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Valter1364
      This situation not only happens with oil and fuel. Take for example a polypropylene granule

      Yeah. all chemistry is practically from oil. He worked at the factory for the production of PE film in the crisis of 2008. There was a time when our prices fell below world prices because of the exchange rate, so factories / dealers (both pe from Tomsk and nitrogen fertilizers from Kemerovo and all that was possible) drove abroad. Accordingly, we have no raw materials, according to the laws of the market, prices are up.
      Well, the dollar has fallen, foreign prices have become unprofitable, but inside the price it’s lower as it was — again, stop, at the warehouse, for the time being it will rise in price. Our plant again has no raw materials, prices for it are up again ... and so on in a circle ... and so - all over, because oil sits in almost everything ...
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 20 January 2016 21: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Valter1364
      It is time to return to a planned economy. Or someone else doubts?


      I’m not bloodthirsty, but I would have shot fifty people from the highest echelons of power without thinking how they had not thought about the future of the country while stuffing their pockets. Both they and we.
  • Performance
    Performance 20 January 2016 11: 30 New
    0
    Now I’ll say something bad ... ;-) but I hope those who know the joke will understand correctly! In almost all countries - a mess (a free market or a bazaar is simple) - you can buy oil transportation, then drive up to the tower and fill it up, then go to any oil loading terminal, to Erdogan for example, and sell it by dumping at a price or hand it over to refineries. .. if on the road the videoconferencing system does not notice ... And we have put things in order in this area, everything flows smoothly through the pipes! What leaps can be in the pipeline system? Pipes feed state employees.

    I repeat: "A barrel of oil is consistently given about 3000 rubles - all other world currencies feel insecure, their rate is constantly jumping!"
  • 24rus
    24rus 20 January 2016 11: 33 New
    +3
    The oil industry in the private hands of the state has only interest. That's all. Business or anything personal
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2016 13: 46 New
      0
      The state has a controlling stake in most oil companies - with the purchase of one liter of fuel we pay 18 rubles to the state treasury.
  • screw cutter
    screw cutter 20 January 2016 11: 35 New
    +8
    A non-aging demotivator.
    1. aleksey980
      aleksey980 20 January 2016 18: 52 New
      +1
      In addition to jokes, there is also the fact that part of the gasoline is made from gas condensate, and not oil.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 January 2016 11: 37 New
    +4
    Until ministers, heads of large companies and officials as a whole are put on average wages and pensions in Russia (unfortunately this will never happen) there will be no sense. A full hungry one does not understand.
  • Egen
    Egen 20 January 2016 11: 37 New
    +5
    “The farmer cannot sell cheap products because the fuel costs are huge. The utility workers at every meeting shake a bunch of papers in front of people to prove that they are not overstating anything. It's just fuel ... Plants are in the same position. because there is no alternative. "

    In general, there is an alternative, it has long been known and is being used - this is gas. For example, in Brazil / Argentina and Pakistan, a lot of clouds of gas-powered cars. Although these countries are by no means leaders in gas production, to put it mildly. But there are a lot of gas machines for business, not private ones, as well as gas stations. And all because the price of gas (auto) fuel is about half the price of gasoline. Therefore, automobile gas is the lot of the poor (- those who count money. What do we have at the present time, what did the Americans think when the gas cost literally a penny). Well, now - comparatively as well)
    In Russia, they are introducing a _policy_ for transferring municipal services, and what other transport for gas can be obtained. But alas, it is _politika_ and not _system_. Yes, Gazprom got down to business - and where did they go, they created a special subsidiary company, but development takes place at an hour by a teaspoon. For serious pace, money is needed, but they are not ((
    By the way, in addition to gas trucks, there are good agricultural tractors, and grader loaders - Chinese neighbors are great, not like our KamAZ (; and steam locomotives and even planes, albeit experimental ones. But here in the world there is still a mining dump truck not (
    Threat Americans well done here you will not say anything. The gas engine compared them and it was also converted to gas (bus) - both in terms of power and torque, and in maintenance, no worse. That's how they did it, but we can’t (
    1. Performance
      Performance 20 January 2016 11: 53 New
      +2
      “Dad, what is an alternative?”
      - It is difficult to explain in a nutshell, well, here's an example:
      You work at the factory, from year to year you plow and plow, gradually saving up money. At one point, you have enough money to move to the village. You buy a dozen eggs and breed chickens from them. You feed them, drink, care for them, they grow up and begin to lay eggs. And you put them in an incubator and now you have thousands of chickens. You look after them and now you have thousands of adult chickens. And now these thousands of chickens begin to lay eggs - you are already a cool farmer! And then the flood is complete ...! And your whole farm washes away, everything is dead, everything is washed away ...
      “Dad, where is the alternative?”
      - Ducks!
    2. almen1
      almen1 20 January 2016 12: 17 New
      -1
      But have you ever seen how quickly a car burns out on gas in an accident? I witnessed such an accident, the desire to install gas immediately disappeared. In Europe, for this reason, it seems that they are reducing gas-powered cars (public transport).
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 20 January 2016 11: 42 New
    +4
    It turns out, indeed, America is a more democratic country, because they do not treat the people there as with us. For us, regardless of oil prices, gasoline is only growing. The paradox is that a country can even grow economically at a good pace, but at the same time 90% can be below the poverty line. This is the grin of capitalism
    1. Egen
      Egen 20 January 2016 11: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: boris-1230
      It turns out, indeed, America is a more democratic country, because they do not treat the people there as with us.

      I completely agree: we understand that we are being stabbed but do not understand how. And there the people do not even understand that they are stabbing him :))
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 20 January 2016 12: 28 New
        +1
        I want to say that regardless of the country's economy, people under capitalism will always live more than modestly until they learn to defend their interests.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 January 2016 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: boris-1230
      This is the grin of capitalism

      Personally, neither capitalism itself nor I need a grin. From socialism we rolled down, and it’s very cool, thanks to our clever people from the CPSU! But when I’m back, I probably won’t wait in my life!
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  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 20 January 2016 11: 46 New
    +2
    Last week, there were many reports of cheaper gas in the United States. The numbers differed across different states, but the most impressive of Michigan is 8 rubles per liter: http://www.mk.ru/economics/2016/01/19/shokiruyushhaya-cena-litr-benzina-v-ssha-p
    odeshevel-do-8-rubley.html
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 20 January 2016 11: 54 New
    0
    Another article on the topic - why is everything like this for us, and not humanly? This is Russia, brother. The answer to all questions is aftertaste! :)
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 20 January 2016 12: 30 New
      +1
      The answer is probably: because we are Russians
  • ALAVIA
    ALAVIA 20 January 2016 11: 58 New
    +1
    The relationship between the price of gasoline and the price of oil?
    Let's look at the history of prices for oil - but only expressed not in the usual dollars, but in ounces of gold. And let's not forget about the WORLD CRISIS ...
    An ounce of gold is currently worth $ 1090, and a barrel of Brent is $ 29. This means that one ounce of gold can buy 37 barrels of oil, more than ever in the last 30 years. Planetary finance is definitely gearing up for something big.

    Oleg Makarenko:
    They constantly ask me why I write about the world economy so often instead of writing about the Russian economy.

    I answer. Because at the moment Russia can be compared with a ship during an impending storm - the weather forecast is now much more important for us than the presence of parmesan in the galley and the shining brilliance of copper interior details.
    Now we are moving in the right direction: we are closing up the hatches, tightening the nuts, preparing to cut costs. However, at the same time, I hear voices every day - sometimes emanating from the highest levels - offering to follow the example of our Western friends and partners and stimulate the Russian economy by turning on the printing press.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 20 January 2016 12: 31 New
      +1
      Whoever cuts expenses - we are with you, but the rich, on the contrary
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 January 2016 17: 07 New
        0
        The rich, too, are cutting costs, now they are mainly accumulating a financial airbag.
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 20 January 2016 12: 03 New
    +1
    Again stuffing stuffing. Like, how are we doing badly.

    But why is this possible in the USA? Or there in other countries, but not with us? Or when our “hydrogen sulphide raw material was interfered with”, the ancestors did not violate technology? Like our ancestors were the most law-abiding then.

    Because we do not print money and we do not have the Fed. They can give everyone the dough at the expense of sellers of goods for dollars, and since trading floors for both finance and goods in their paws, also show the growth of the buck. But all is good and they will end.
    The way out for us: the transition to trade for rubles, try not to use the dollar.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 January 2016 19: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Good AAAH
      try not to use the dollar.

      Our economic wise men are now trying to move away from the dollar, but they haven’t figured out anything smarter than how to lie under the yuan! Everything goes to this. And the difference is big for Russia and you and I especially do not see!
  • Boos
    Boos 20 January 2016 12: 03 New
    +6
    -The Bolsheviks knew why they needed a hard ruble and this differed from today's "financial geniuses." The West, with its hard currency, is easier to buy Russian raw materials if the ruble is depreciating. Putin's "team differs from this from the Bolsheviks, who supported Russia and did everything they could stabilize the ruble. Since neither domestic trade nor production is possible without a solid monetary unit. With a depreciating ruble, any unprofitable enterprise will be profitable according to the financial statements, since revenues in numbers are always higher than costs. Putin's economists lie to us, boasting about GDP growth. And Putin is a poser With him, everything will rise in price, also deteriorating in quality.
  • bashkort
    bashkort 20 January 2016 12: 05 New
    +5
    The thing is that we have two prices for gasoline: for producers - in dollars, for us - in rubles. It seems to producers that they are already selling fuel very cheaply in Russia, at around 50 cents, but we, sinners, count everything in our ruble salaries, which, moreover, especially among state employees, are shrinking all the time. I somehow figured that even in rubles, the salary of researchers and university professors has dropped by about a third since 2008, during this time the workload has also increased, about a third. In other industries, I don't think it's better. I don’t even remember about bonuses and the 13th salary, the last time I received it already in 2005, I remember. So as long as we have a welfare state only on paper, everything will continue. Our oil and gas complex is a sacred cow, and it cannot be "milked", on the contrary, it is she who "milks" everyone. Something like this.
  • Valdis
    Valdis 20 January 2016 12: 06 New
    +2
    Gasoline that is sold at filling stations goes from the manufacturer (refinery) to the vertically integrated oil company (Gazprom, Lukoil, Bashneft), which accumulate a resource. They do not give it to everyone, here is its chemical composition and the specific volume that they want to choose. Then there is a network of oil traders who sell it along a chain with a wrap, plus delivery (railway tariff), then storage, fines. You don't immediately get gasoline from their tanks, the logistics are very long and steep. When he arrives at the gas station, the price rises !!!!) Plus he will be "charged", and these are installations, chemistry, laboratory, employees. Each chain has its own margin.)))
    This oil supply system developed in the 90s, and it has nothing to do with the price of oil, even though it will be $ 5 per barrel. Keep in mind the tax maneuvers of our Government and the excise tax.)))
  • ALAVIA
    ALAVIA 20 January 2016 12: 06 New
    0
    Who wants to effectively understand this issue, the search engine "The relationship between the price of gasoline and the price of oil?"

    http://yablor.ru/blogs/ceni-na-neft-i-ceni-na-benzin/5282046
  • Leeder
    Leeder 20 January 2016 12: 06 New
    +5
    Quote: alicante11
    alicante11 (6) Today, 11:37 ↑ New
    Fuel is logistics for me.

    And it’s not at all cool that all these things are getting more expensive
    the reason for the rise in price of fuel.

    My question is, how did everything go up in price in the first half of last year when fuel did not go up? Moreover, the dollar fell in the spring and summer. And the prices rose anyway.

    Pricing depends not only on fuel prices. There are so many imports in the Russian Federation, and prices have crawled up after the ruble depreciated. We even buy paper over the hill. And the procurement process is usually delayed by 2-3 months, i.e. a jump in the rate now, some of the goods will be reflected now (who pays in advance), and maybe later (postpay), but in any case it will.

    A farmer cannot sell cheap products because fuel costs are huge.

    Interestingly, a farmer has more expensive fuel than a store or a distribution network? Or is something else stopping him from selling meat cheaper than in a store or retail chain?

    That is not the point. Delivery to the consumer costs as much as growing a crop, delivery of agricultural products from Volgograd to Moscow in numbers came out if the cost of production is 3 rubles, transportation to Moscow is 3 more, and farmers still spend a lot of fuel on tractors, fertilizer delivery, etc. And this is not counting the costs of implementation. And you just need to bring the import once and supermarkets do not bear the additional costs, because the products are not resold in the wholesale markets, but delivered directly to stores under contracts.
    From March 1, we are waiting for another jump in prices, after raising the rate on Plato ...
    It is high time to develop our own production of everything, but for some reason the government is only finishing business.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 January 2016 13: 26 New
      +1
      Pricing depends not only on fuel prices. There are so many imports in the Russian Federation, and prices have crawled up after the ruble depreciated.


      So the ruble, after all, also fell then, in my opinion, to the 54 ruble chtoli, and gasoline stood in place, specifically watched and still, I remember, was surprised. But prices still climbed up.

      But farmers still spend a lot of fuel on tractors, fertilizer delivery, etc.


      Yeah, and agricultural holdings do not spend? And just large farms like our Berezovka (agroenergo). There, all the cows and pigs with chickens are probably fed with air and warm up in the winter with physical education.

      From March 1, we are waiting for another jump in prices, after raising the rate on Plato ...


      Yeah, and also the dollar is to blame. And under this brand the prices will also be raised by those who carry less than 12 tons of wagons, but are they red-haired or something? This is called GREED.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 January 2016 19: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: LeeDer
      the government is only finishing business.

      This will be as long as Putin is at the helm with his liberal domestic policy and the adored idiot Medvedev, who decides nothing at all!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 January 2016 12: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Riv
    What is the author dissatisfied with? Gas is 50 cents each. Do not want to - do not buy, no one forces. :)))

    Sorry, but we get the pay in rubles !! I work in one place for 6 years, the salary on the spot even decreased, and the fare in transport increased from 12 to 17 - they explain the increase in fuel prices! negative hi
  • Burmistr
    Burmistr 20 January 2016 12: 14 New
    +7
    In our country, the mafia. Fuel prices are specially bogged down. No one is allowed to the feeder. Just recently, somewhere in the suburbs, a private fuel plant was closed, according to all the news about this, tryndel - allegedly because of the low quality of the products. But we are no longer children and understand perfectly well who closed under the guise of what he closed. The competition does not need the mafia. To the country she does not care