So at what price does Ukraine buy gas from Europe?

The Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine published a report on the next Peremogh, and double Pemogh immediately. The first is related to the expectations “already in February” of another batch of coal from the Republic of South Africa. UNIAN cites the statement of the head of the Ministry of Energy and Industry "Square", Vladimir Demchishin:

We expect the ship 4-5 February.

This ship should be a ship that from the OTHER hemisphere will deliver 85 thousand tons of coal to Ukraine. The price of South African coal for Kiev, if you believe the same Demchishin, is 57 dollars per ton.

The second Peremoga: the price of reverse gas from Europe. According to Demchishin, this price will be about 190 dollars per thousand cubic meters. As the Ukrainian Ministry of Energy proudly reports, “this is 20 dollars cheaper than offers from Gazprom.”

However, the Ukrainian Energy Ministry is again silent that peremoga, to put it mildly, is doubtful, and not only in terms of buying coal from South Africa.

The fact is that money for the purchase of gas by Ukraine in Europe goes under the credit line of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. After Ukraine refused to repay the debt to Russia, and after another downgrading of the credit rating by the “independent” international agencies, the EBRD raised the interest rate on the funds allocated to 18,5%. Simple mathematical calculations can be obtained that, by purchasing the actual Russian gas in Europe at the aforementioned $ 190, Kiev will be forced to return to the EBRD on 35 more than dollars for each acquired thousand cubic meters. As a result, “reverse” gas for Ukraine turns out to be more expensive than Russian. Its real price for Ukraine is 190 plus the same 35 with more than dollars - 225 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Europe is clearly not at a loss, and Russia is also ...

Russia simply uses its chance to supply gas to Europe at a contract price, and the EU gets the opportunity to accumulate the “take or pay” formula to send to Ukraine at prices that actually add up to interest on the allocated Ukraine loans. As a result, the Ukrainian taxpayer will pay everything from his own pocket, if there is, what to pay ...

So Demchishin will tell the Ukrainians about the real "Peremog"? ..

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

The percentage is an annual, not a one-time deal. Simply, if Kiev drags on with payments, the noose will drag on very much. What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Simply, if Kiev drags on with payments, the noose will drag on very much.

Yes, let dung be bought from the barmaley, they are looking for where it is cheaper, but money from the whole world begs.

[vlad66]

Quote: vovanpain

Yes, let dung be bought from barmaley,

And they will provide dill humanitarian aid.

[Bath]

According to the agreement, Russia will sell gas to Ukraine for $ 230, and Ukraine will buy it from Russia for $ 95. When they learned about this in Israel, Ariel Sharon was hit enough.

[FlyEngine]

And what about the debt?
They said that they would not pay - and that’s it? Is Russia resigned?

[Tatyana]

vlad66

vovanpain
Yes, let dung be bought from barmaley,

And they will provide dill humanitarian aid.
PICTURE The party of the selected dung has already been sent to Ukraine.

Sorry, the joke was remembered.

Gathered in ancient times just before winter the leader of all his fellow tribesmen and said to them:
- There are two news. One is good, the other is bad. Where to start?
- Start with the bad.
“The mammoths all left here.” There is no one to hunt anymore. Have to eat g ... mammoths.
“What good news?”
- But their g ... around a lot of oooh !!

[vic58]

Then not "Excellent fuel for the winter!", But "Garny analogue of fat!"

[major147]

Everything is in the courts.

[Alex20042004]

The EU pays for everything. And in the future the dill will "forgive" Geyroppe's debts!

[Dr. Bormental]

Which one is human?

[bulvas]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Which one is human?

Both (which are loaded)

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: vovanpain

Yes, let dung at the barmaley

- Hatred is an expensive thing, and harmful to health. Russophobia among ukronatsiks grew into mania, and it is a pity that not only they will be at a trough, but the whole Ukraine will be pulled ...

[Sorokin]

Where did you find however?

[rvn69]

I'm afraid there will be problems with the dung. The Turks were going to drown them. No matter how the "hot Finnish guys" fight.

[Hariva]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They got into a mess.

Heh heh. Similar statements, we read on every day, for 2 years))). But I wonder if there is a limit to the height of the jump?

[Dr. Bormental]

it (the limit of the height of the jump) is limited by the size of the cranium. Just imagine - jumping up - the brain beats against the upper arch of the skull, jumping down - about the lower ... and so often, often

[ferdiperdozzz]

So based on physics - the opposite.

[Persistent]

Heh heh. Similar statements, we read on every day, for 2 years))). But I wonder if there is a limit to the height of the jump?



In the doghouse from which Ukraine is yapping at Russia, the ceiling is low. Therefore, each time yapping and bouncing beats stupid head on the ceiling !!!

[nadezhiva]

Come on, you laugh. "European gas" is more profitable in terms of transit. The more, theoretically, gas passes to Europe, the more Ukrainians will receive for transit. Well, considering that there is practically no reverse (there is a scanty one), in reality, gas is being taken off ...
Russia, in fact, pays for transit, which is not there. Hoch.ly fuck us and squeak from this.

[avdkrd]

Quote: nadezhiva

The more, theoretically, gas passes to Europe, the more Ukrainians will receive for transit.

For me, it’s really a mystery — why does the reverse still exist? Gas is the same product as computers or technology, and it certainly matters no less than military equipment. Yankees and only they (global practice) easily block the re-export of their equipment or even not their own, but with the use of American components. Re-export of gas from Europe is not profitable for Russia, precisely because of transit fees. In addition, Europe thus intervenes in pricing, which is called not dumping, but dumping. It is clear that the crisis, but also in Europe, is not the Renaissance and all their dances about Qatari or Amer LNG to replace Gazprom are a bluff. In my opinion, it’s better to put everything in its place once by introducing sanctions (more reasons than necessary) against re-exporters or even stop filing through Ukraine (at least on the basis that it is at war with Russia) than to incur losses. I am sure that Europe will very quickly resolve the issue with both the South and the Nordic flows when the threat to remain without gas will be real.

[ferdiperdozzz]

You are right, but you can’t cut it alive. You can’t wave a saber. IMHO.

[Ugrumiy]

For me it’s better to wave a saber once than to cut a hairbrush for a long time!

[ty60]

The south stream will not be. Turkish too. There will be a north-2. Then the deprivation of dill transit money.

[33 Watcher]

It is precisely Gazprom that benefits from the Take-or-Pay scheme, which pays for all this “fun” many times over. What the state gains or loses from this is already the second question, but the “National Heritage” will not miss its own.

[Saffron]

And Russia will be called an "unreliable supplier" that we don't really need it, Geyropa loves stability, and the lack of agreement between Russia and Ukraine strains them greatly, so Germany agreed to sowing. stream 2 at closed meetings saying that Ukraine is straining them with its uncertainty and instability in terms of gas transit, and in the media they talk about the need to preserve transit through Ukraine

[major147]

Yes, you can't let the "puppy-dead" die right now. Until the end of 19 th year through them pump gas.

[gergi]

This is all on the surface. They believe that they are fooling us, we do not mind, the brothers nevertheless, or else they will strangle ourselves with longing. Hoopoes!

[Tersky]

Quote: nadezhiva

Come on, you laugh. "European gas" is more profitable in terms of transit. The more, theoretically, gas passes to Europe, the more

continue, the more likely that Russia will introduce the Nord Stream 2 and finally bury the Ukrainian GTS

[Wheel]

Quote: Tersky

continue, the more likely that Russia will introduce the Nord Stream 2 and finally bury the Ukrainian GTS

Yeah, and after entering, Germany will begin to cringe.
Is radish horseradish sweeter?

[ty60]

It is already under construction. Across the Russian territory. In summer, a duker through the Baltic Sea can be issued. The truth is not enough compressor, until two full years pass.

[Just felix]

The price of gas transit is $ 2.80 per thousand cubic meters per 100 kilometers, which means transit through the entire territory is approximately $ 30 per 1000 cubic meters. they raised something there, I heard a transit tariff, but I don’t know for sure, at the old price it’s not so bad.

[nadezhiva]

Ukro. Drinks are sleeping and see to raise the price of transit.

[33 Watcher]

Here you are mistaken, transit exists and the most, real, physical. There is one point (very delicate) associated with metering devices and with access to their control. Look read if not laziness. Last year I read how it all works. I agree from a logistic point of view, it’s stupid, but giving out a selection for transit does not allow contractual relations, and the violation will come out immediately.
Do not worry, it is relatively easy to rob you and me, but at Gazprom there are such thugs, sharks will be cleaner than Western sharks, they themselves will shoe whom you want

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Observer 33

Here you are mistaken, transit exists and the most, real, physical.

I just don’t understand - who is it that sells reverse gas to Kuev cheaper than it buys from us? As far as I remember the numbers, we do not sell ANYONE to Europe in 190 gas. And in Europe, too, children are not sitting - without profit, for politics, you can give gas for a week. But not deliveries at a loss!

The final macroeconomic forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, which the government on the eve submitted to the State Duma along with the draft federal budget for 2016, indicated that Russia would export its gas to non-CIS countries at an average price of $ 199 per 1 cubic meters. Prior to this, the Ministry of Economic Development believed that the export cost of “blue fuel” next year would be even lower - $ 179 per thousand cubic meters.

The Economic Department believes that further the average export price of Russian gas will gradually increase: to $ 204 in 2017 and to $ 214 in 2018.

Even if they cut the price for Europe, it’s all the same with virtually no profit! Are Ponte SO ROADS? I do not understand...

[Tersky]

Quote: Hariva

But I wonder if there is a limit to the height of the jump?

Monday was the day of Martin Luther King in the United States, and like him I would like to say: I have a dream ...

[iConst]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

- Yes, do not care what they have there - their problems are not enough?

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: iConst

Yes, do not care what they have there - their problems are not enough?

- We look at them with gloating, they, through their media reporting in exactly the same way - for us ... it’s much nicer to laugh at a neighbor than solve your problems, which, as it were, aren’t against the backdrop of the horrors that are happening in the neighboring state.

[Dembel77]

I wonder what we will talk about in 2019, when will the gas contract with Ukraine end? Dumbed already from this gas issue, tired.

[iConst]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- We look at them gloatingly, they, through their media, which report in exactly the same way - at us.

- Yes, that’s the point, we are slipping into their level.

I do not want.

We are in the same way distracted from the future ... but believe me, how "I am glad to be deceived myself."

[Tungus]

I support your idea, colleague. Every time I read about Ukraine, I think: “They were brainwashed for 25 years, they were forced to hate us for 2 years under arms. And we? We began to react towards Ukraine in 2 years, just like them. In just two years. It's sad.”

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Tungus

I support your idea, colleague. Every time I read about Ukraine, I think: “They were brainwashed for 25 years, they were forced to hate us for 2 years under arms. And we? We began to react towards Ukraine in 2 years, just like them. In just two years. It's sad.”

Damn, guys ... And what else can I think, and how does he relate to such a neighbor who lies in my eyes! That during the union he fed me, that in 91 I took all the money ... That in 14 I brazenly stole Crimea, and I started a war in the Donbass! That I speculate in gas, and that I also eat ukropskikh babies, and drink the blood of honest Bandera! And yet, I am to blame for the fact that he de'bilized!
Here you yourself wish that the neighbor would either recover faster, or already die for hell! And any movers, in terms of deterioration in his business, lead either to the first or to the second, and therefore are welcome! And not because I'm bad and evil ...

[Turner38]

The fact is that he is not only a neighbor, but also a close relative ..

[ty60]

Same as the tiger in the park.

[I read the news]

Quote: AlNikolaich

what else to think, and how does he feel about such a neighbor who lies in my eyes! That during the union he fed me, that in 91 I took all the money ... That in 14 I brazenly stole Crimea, and I started a war in the Donbass! That I speculate in gas, and that I also eat ukropskikh babies, and drink the blood of honest Bandera! And yet, I am to blame for the fact that he de'bilized!

I would recommend you, AlNikolaich, write yourself a notebook date and place of birth, certifying documents of this neighbor and relate specifically to this neighbor, without generalizing indiscriminately this experience to all neighbors at once.

[Sorokin]

Yes kindly you are just not indifferent. Do not just look at where these creatures wrap their letters.

[Wheel]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- We look at them with gloating, they, through their media reporting in exactly the same way - at us ... it's much nicer to laugh at a neighbor than solve their problems, which seem to be absent from the horrors occurring in a neighboring state.

If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented.

[33 Watcher]

And these are our problems, Ukrainian transit is our only, really weak point. And while this transit "they have there", our problems, and these are serious problems.

[Nikolay K]

The author of the article does not understand that Ukraine will have to pay the interest for the loan. What is for "European" gas, what is for Russian, and both of them work on a prepayment basis?
Reverse gas can be beneficial for Ukraine for two reasons: First, in this case, Ukraine earns on supposedly gas transit. Secondly, now most European consumers work with Gazprom on a take-or-pay basis, but it is difficult for them to choose the contracted volumes of gas. Therefore, they are ready to make certain concessions at the price of gas for Ukraine, as they thereby relieve themselves of certain legal risks that arise if the terms of the contract with Gazprom on the purchase volume are not fulfilled. In general, the price of gas for Ukraine is a political issue, and politicians can blurt out whatever they want.

[andj61]

Quote: Nikolai K

The author of the article does not understand that Ukraine will have to pay the interest for the loan. What is for "European" gas, what is for Russian, and both of them work on a prepayment basis?

Gazprom works with Ukraine on a prepaid basis, but gas from Europe can be borrowed. Taking a loan for the purchase of gas from Gazprom is significantly more expensive.

[Nikolay K]

I’m not sure that Europeans give gas to the state bankruptcy to Ukraine with a significant delay, for a year for sure. In any case, Ukraine could, if desired, buy reverse gas on an advance payment and not pay for the loan. Therefore, any economist will say that comparing two prices, it is not correct to lay interest on a loan.

[Bath]

something like this))

[andj61]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The percentage is an annual, not a one-time deal. Simply, if Kiev drags on with payments, the noose will drag on very much. What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

The price of Gazprom is final, and does not depend on conjuncture. And the price at which Kiev acquires in Europe is preliminary. We have already talked about this - in fact and even without taking into account the interest on the loan, Kiev paid more than 10-12% of Gazprom’s price for the transit gas, and for months the price is different there. But Gazprom needs prepayment, and then on credit. .. So there’s nothing to choose when there is no money: naturally, they chose the gas that was on credit. And yelling about expensive Gazprom gas is just a PR move

[sherp2015]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The percentage is an annual, not a one-time deal. Simply, if Kiev drags on with payments, the noose will drag on very much. What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

))) And what? Economy by Hahlyachi ...

[Denis Obukhov]

Let them buy in Geyrop, but only in the future they do not turn to RUSSIA. Hohland has been using Russian gas for free for all its life, but here you have to pay.

[siberalt]

As they say - died, still died. And what to remember about it, about some kind of Uraine? Memories of her, like the discharge of a Lenden can for a corpse. Time will endure, it will show.

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

[Serg koma]

"+", with small additions. Russia gives gas to dill according to the principle - "money in the morning - chairs in the evening." Money in 404 ??? So - at least as you have to be credited. The Russian Federation will not give money, therefore, a loan for gas from the Russian Federation would have to be taken in the same EU, hence the gas price (by miscalculations author of the article) from the Russian Federation is completely different. The article also does not take into account the transport component. It is quite natural that transportation (and it also costs money) to the distribution network of dill, from Slovakia and the Russian Federation has different costs ...

[33 Watcher]

Well, the schedule of payments fits ... In general, the scheme is not new, but it is quite working. And I am very glad that this time we give a loan, not us. And then a lot of nerves then go to such debtors.

[Kent0001]

Let download further ... To some future of them.

[Wajra-3]

Plus the cost of reimbursing gas not being taken from Gazprom. Nobody canceled the take-or-pay principle in the gas supply contract to Ukraine. It will be difficult to get it, but the fact remains. The costs will be counted and, according to the court, they will win.

[seregatara1969]

there is nothing to say, silently will charge

[MREDBEST]

I’m wondering, but the fact that Ukraine has raised the rate on gas transit through their territory, should not this affect the cost of gas for Europe ?! I understand contracts, there are contracts, but after all, GazProm must shift the new expenses that have arisen to the buyer, and those, naturally, to the next buyer, that is, Ukraine
Another Peremoga

[shvn]

Yeah, will shift it on us.))) When is there a planned increase in natural monopolies for resources? That shift or put? )))

[Nikolay K]

So far, no one has raised anything, only they are threatening. In general, the contract for gas transit through Ukraine ends in the 2018 year. As far as I heard, the price for transit is fixed there. As a general rule, price changes are possible with the consent of both parties. So do not pay attention to political chatter.

[avdkrd]

Quote: Nikolai K

So far, no one has raised anything, only they are threatening. In general, the contract for gas transit through Ukraine ends in the 2018 year. As far as I heard, the price for transit is fixed there. As a general rule, price changes are possible with the consent of both parties. So do not pay attention to political chatter.

The news has already passed the information about the price increase by 1.5 times, according to Demchishin. It is clear that they have both the president and the prime minister of the balobola, but the minister of energy is still an official. Although it can, as usual - they monitor the reaction, and then they say our minister couldn’t make such statements ....
But still it seems to me that it’s time to shift the heads to Europe. The price for Europe was formed from the current prices for transit, respectively, if Europe supports the position of Kiev (which is absurd), then they must agree with the costs. This is by logic, but the old woman Europe with logic has recently been at odds with the same thing. They may say that yes they say Ukraine is wrong, sue it, and give it to us according to the contract. It all depends on how much GDP is ready to go far in this dispute. Perhaps the logic of actions will be tied to providing without a problem launch of the Nord Stream, simply unilateral actions of Ukraine will be another confirmation of its unreliability as a transit country and will allow shutting up opponents.

[Dr. Bormental]

Tse Europe ... Often I read comments in the Komsomol. Dill calmed down the campaign ... maybe so cold work?

[captain]

Ukrainian mentality, principle one; I’ll swell from hunger, but M .. I don’t go to bow. By the way, most Ukrainians support this principle.

[Lelek]

Quote: captain

Ukrainian mentality, principle one; I’ll swell from hunger, but M .. I don’t go to bow.

Yes, and for God's sake. In Europe, it seems, too soon the path will be closed. European bonzes were bitten by the former Ukraine before hiccups:
(cry.)

[tol100v]

Quote: captain

; I’ll swell from hunger, but M .. I don’t go to bow.

Even as they go! And the restructuring of their debt was even required! And until they swell from hunger, they just beg more often, but less often!

[ser-pov]

How much can you procrastinate about the country 404? Yes, and the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: ser-pov

How much can you procrastinate about the country 404? Yes, and the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck ...

Why not pardon something? I will not be mistaken if I say that most members of the forum have Ukrainian roots, and even relatives are independent. Somehow not Zimbabwe.

[Your friend]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Quote: ser-pov

How much can you procrastinate about the country 404? Yes, and the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck ...

Why not pardon something? I will not be mistaken if I say that most members of the forum have Ukrainian roots, and even relatives are independent. Somehow not Zimbabwe.

The bull's eye. And as my relatives flooded from there in early 2014, now it’s still silent.)))

[BARKHAN]

There are no relatives, here are classmates, in different years they lived together in military camps ... In 2014 they also tore and threw everything at me, they say, under the Kremlin propaganda ... you don’t understand anything. I sent them then. Now we put our tails and tongues down .Robko interested in how are you. Not a word about the "ceevrope"! Nothing, nothing let them fight with the "Ibrahim" for the exclusive right to lick the burgher's ass. Let them get drunk with their revolution.

[Dr. Bormental]

I heard that African coal seems to be unsuitable for boiler houses made in the USSR .....?

[Primus pilus]

It’s not quite that simple.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

I heard that African coal seems to be unsuitable for boiler houses made in the USSR .....?

Not for "made in the USSR" boiler houses is not suitable, and Ukrainian boilers are designed specifically for Ukrainian (mainly Donbass) coal of grade A (anthracite) and, partially, grade T (lean). And South African - grade G (gas), coking coal. Its use in heating boiler rooms is possible only in a mixture with the corners of anthracite groups - otherwise it does not burn stupidly.

[goose]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Not for "made in the USSR" boiler houses is not suitable, and Ukrainian boilers are designed specifically for Ukrainian (mainly Donbass) coal of grade A (anthracite) and, partially, grade T (lean). And South African - grade G (gas), coking coal. Its use in heating boiler rooms is possible only in a mixture with the corners of anthracite groups - otherwise it does not burn stupidly.

Yes, it’s suitable, just Ukrainian TPPs were simplified for local clean anthracite, and any brown coal cannot be burned there - then it’s very uncomfortable to clean it.

[ALABAY45]

"We expect the ship on February 4-5"
In a madhouse, the "ship" is always under the bed ... Why wait for something ?!

[NDR-791]

This ship should be a ship that from the OTHER hemisphere will deliver 85 thousand tons of coal to Ukraine. The price of South African coal for Kiev, if you believe the same Demchishin, is 57 dollars per ton.
Wild horror !!! 2,125kg. per capita!!! "Expecting in about three weeks" - a concrete overhaul.
VISITORS !!!
And at the price of our rubles - 57 $ = 4460 (approximately, for today). I SEEN SUCH CORN IN THE Coffin !!! Our pressed briquettes from Kuznetsk are cheaper, and we have the same steppe as in powder.

[VP]

The calculations are incomplete.
There is still a problem that if dill take the same Russian gas but reverse from Slovakia, then they roll out Gazprom for the transit of this gas, which goes through 404 to Slovakia.
And if you take it directly, there is no transit.
Therefore, here they are winning, in my opinion, thirty.

[NDR-791]

That is why the contract says "take or pay". Ours today for the last quarter of the 15th rolled out dill $ 2,5 BILLION. Well, what, where there are three and five and a half. Give them in kind anyway (we don’t take Roshen !!!)

[sl22277]

When will the gas be cut off to this under-state? They didn’t even deserve it for $ 500. Europe, heats Ukraine and saves itself from theft by Ukraine, its own gas, in transit. How it sounds! But it’s warm ...

[Dezinto]

What the hell did they arrange this Maidan? (the rhetorical question, of course, the soul of Khokhlyat, like the brain, is dark)

Well, how do you imagine a torn country, war and cold batteries? Thugs in camouflage on the streets of which the police are afraid? Hello?

AND! and Europe without visas! Right!

Maladtsy! wrestlers are helpers.

[Dr. Bormental]

Personally, I think that they didn’t arrange it, but they arranged it ..... The rating of the powder is lower now than that of Yanukovych ... why are they so quiet? You need to be an imbalance in order to lower your own country to the level of Zimbabwe, and also get into a row at forums ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Personally, I think that they didn’t arrange it, but they arranged it ..... The rating of the powder is lower now than that of Yanukovych ... why are they so quiet?

Because they are well aware that the fate of the former "Square" will be decided without them:
(cry.)

[Dr. Bormental]

Yes, the stump is clear that they can not fart without the permission of amers ..... until Isn't everyone there?

[edward war]

will soon buy lighters from china. and into the pipe

[rus-5819]

Its real price for Ukraine is 190 plus those same more than 35 dollars - 225 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Europe is clearly not at a loss, and Russia too ...

The dill have increased the cost of gas transit to Europe, it will be fair if Gazprom "throws" Europe for unscrupulous "transiters"

[NDR-791]

This ship should be a ship
A ship should become a ship ... Eh ... It looks like a nurse should become a ship, and a "ship" will become a ship ... Vashsche article is hilarious in terms of citation. Fleet join !!! I don't know if there are Balkarriers of this displacement. And how much do they cost, if any?
"Through stunted groves and yellow deserts
A golden guy went out into the steppe of South Africa "

[Santjaga_Garka]

What can you do, ordinary people of Ukraine do not know how to count, do not read our media, and in principle they can not or do not want to do anything ...

[Orionvit]

Quote: captain

Ukrainian mentality, principle one; I’ll swell from hunger, but M .. I don’t go to bow. By the way, most Ukrainians support this principle.

Let him bow and something else, only he will always keep a muzzle in his pocket. For example. Some firms in Ukraine write in the invoices for the supplied materials: "part of the funds from the sale of goods produced in Russia will be transferred to the needs of the Ukrainian Armed Forces." That is, they cannot not buy goods from the "aggressor", because it is profitable, and this sin can be corrected by giving a percentage of the profit to the war with the same "aggressor". And here you are from a traitor who is doing business with the "enemy of ukrainy", smoothly turning into a patriot. It is generally difficult to imagine more cynicism, dibilism and hypocrisy. Or learned from God's people.

[Jack-b]

Russia is not just not at a loss. Europe pays for gas regularly. And the Ukrainians were billed for 3,5 billion for the shortfall. So Russia is in a gorgeous "plus"))) Of course, this money from the Ukrainians cannot be knocked out in real terms. But this is a good hook to hang the pig by the eggs.

[APASUS]

I don’t understand why there is indignation over gas.
The EU has allocated 500 mil Euros to Ukraine for the purchase of exactly Euro gas and that's it! How much it will cost TOTAL is not so important, everything is on credit. The country is driven into debt ..............

[cyberspace]

the price of reverse gas from Europe. According to Demchishin, this price will be about $ 190 per thousand cubic meters. As the Ukrainian Ministry of Energy proudly reports, “it is $ 20 cheaper than offers from Gazprom.

Demchishin's statements are equal to the inscriptions on the fence. Last year, when gas for 404 was 276 and a reduction in price to 254 was discussed, the price of reverse gas from Slovakia was significantly lower and amounted to $ 319 per 1000 cubic meters. Now, in Navukraine, a tied gas loan has been issued wherever they say (exclusively in Europe), and at the price they say. And all statements about the price are lower than when purchasing directly from Russia - from the field of non-stop arithmetic.

[valokordin]

Quote: ser-pov

How much can you procrastinate about the country 404? Yes, and the flag in their hands and a drum on the neck ...

Indeed, already tired of listening and talking about Ukraine. There are no victories, the Nazis continue to rule in Kiev and the inhabitants of Ukraine are becoming more and more pro-Nazi and anti-Russian. Propaganda is doing its job, but what Russia is doing in defense of its own is not visible. Where is the movement against the Nazis in Ukraine? He is not visible. About successes of Donbass deathly silence

[Balagan]

Already nothing is surprising. Let them rejoice in their efforts. Ukraine - the girl is already big, enough to drive her by the handle. Itself, herself, herself - as they say in the legendary film ...

[podgornovea]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The percentage is an annual, not a one-time deal. Simply, if Kiev drags on with payments, the noose will drag on very much. What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

Oh yeah! Kiev will not drag out! He never addictive! Credit rating - AAA +, oh, mixed up it turns out different - AAAaaaaaaaa!

[evge-malyshev]

So Demchishin will tell the Ukrainians about the real "Peremog"? ..

It is unlikely ... But ... The master is a master. The main thing: to annoy Russia.

[podgornovea]

Quote: Jack-B

Russia is not just not at a loss. Europe pays for gas regularly. And the Ukrainians were billed for 3,5 billion for the shortfall. So Russia is in a gorgeous "plus"))) Of course, this money from the Ukrainians cannot be knocked out in real terms. But this is a good hook to hang the pig by the eggs.

Therefore, they have not yet been suspended - there are none!

[Freeman]

Quote: VP

The calculations are incomplete.
There is still a problem that if dill take the same Russian gas but reverse from Slovakia, then they roll out Gazprom for the transit of this gas, which goes through 404 to Slovakia.
And if you take it directly, there is no transit.
Therefore, here they are winning, in my opinion, thirty.

And your calculations are already outdated -

Ukraine has increased the rate of gas transit for Gazprom by 1,5 times
http://www.rg.ru/2016/01/19/stavka-site-anons.html

[izya top]

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[Your friend]

When it seems to me that the limit of stupidity of the Maidanut Selyuks has come, there is always some digger of the Black Sea, which pushes these limits to infinity. (((

[b wassil]

I love people with humor, they’ll joke like a brick in a puddle.

[b wassil]

I love people with humor, they’ll joke like a brick in a puddle.

[BaLaLaykin]

already wrote, I repeat:

Yes, comrades from Israel will forgive me, but all these tricks with their ears look like removing a competitor from Eastern Europe (Gazprom) and clearing a place for Israeli gas, first, South Stream was cut down by pressure on Bulgaria, a provocation was planned for Turkish Stream. Turkey, for one and the removal of a competitor, for its gas. The war in Syria, so as not to let Qatari gas into Europe and Turkey, new sanctions against Iran, so as not to increase the volume of supplies to Turkey and for one thing put an end to Turkey's dream of becoming a gas hub .The war in Ukraine, in order to complicate the supply of Russian gas to Europe, for one to clear a place for its gas, by supplying gas from Europe to Ukraine. So if you imagine the Israeli flow as an inevitable reality, then the whole mosaic falls into place

[avdkrd]

Quote: Lalaika

So if you imagine the Israeli stream as an inevitable reality, then the whole mosaic falls into place

Still a very tight version. Europe is not Latvia - to create a new infrastructure that you have to pay for (except for Gazprom, few are pulling at their own expense), despite the fact that Russian gas is cheaper anyway, and the competitiveness of industry in Europe is not an empty phrase. Maybe when the goods themselves stretch the pipeline (how by the way will it go through a rather troubled region?), Israeli gas will find its niche. Rather, in the short and medium term Israel’s LNG products will remain, it’s easier for them to negotiate with the Turks (which is also difficult) than to travel to Europe.

[BaLaLaykin]

the pipeline will go along the seabed, just as the south stream was planned, but on the other hand, they have enough money and it will not take a long time to lay the pipeline, it is much closer than from Russia to Bulgaria. In terms of LNG, they obviously lose to Qatar ( and the fleet and capacities are already there), wait 19-20 and you yourself will see this

[OlegV]

.... This ship should be a ship that from another hemisphere will deliver to Ukraine 85 thousand tons of coal .....

[Sinecote]

Here is the government in Ukraine. There is not a penny in the treasury, but they buy gas at a higher price, if only not from Russia, if only for our evil.

[private person]

And why should we pay 1,5 times more for transit? Let Europ and pay for their lackeys. Ukraine ce geyroppa.

[Sinecote]

Wait, Ukraine lives on the tranches of Europe. Europe buys gas from Russia and sells it to itself. Probably there is a complicated economic fraud.

[novoros1991]

give a link to the source of interest rate information
NEVER FOUND THE MENTION EXACTLY ABOUT 18%
THERE ARE MENTIONS FROM NAFTOGAS THAT THE LOAN PROFILE IS FROM 9 TO 12% AND ALL

[kapitan92]

Quote: APASUS

 

And there is! Europe provides a line of credit indicating the place of purchase of gas by Ukraine. As a rule, reverse gas is more expensive (in 2015, quarterly by $ 26-20 per 1000 cubic meters). There is NO "free" money to buy cheaper gas from Russia from the Ukrainians. Europe is pursuing its own goals, continues to put Ukraine on the "gas needle", and the credit money remains in the same Europe. Pay will be, as always, "slaves" -citizens of Ukraine.

..... The refusal of the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk to buy Russian gas at a price of $ 212 per thousand cubic meters, because in Europe it is cheaper, is not yet true, said Valentin Zemlyansky, director of energy programs at the Center for World Economy and International Relations of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine ...... ... "We heard such statements in 2015, and then the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine reported that the average gas purchase price in December was $ 236. Therefore, the validity of Mr. Yatsenyuk's statements raises doubts," Zemlyansky stressed. ... ....... Instead of dependence on gas supplies from Russia, we got dependence on gas supplies in reverse from Europe ...
..... "In fact, this is the same Russian gas, only with an additional payment to intermediaries. As practice has shown, if we proceed from the prices of December, then this gas on the reverse is more expensive by $ 9 per thousand cubic meters. A total of 0,5 billion cubic meters was purchased. , and the economy "out of the blue" lost $ 4,5 million due to the politicization of the gas supply issue, "Zemlyansky summed up.

RIA Novosti Ukraine: http://rian.com.ua/columnist/20160111/1003325602.html

[kapitan92]

Quote: Lalaika

already wrote, I repeat:

Yes, comrades from Israel will forgive me, but all these tricks with their ears look like removing a competitor from Eastern Europe (Gazprom) and clearing a place for Israeli gas, first, South Stream was cut down by pressure on Bulgaria, a provocation was planned for Turkish Stream. Turkey, for one and the removal of a competitor, for its gas. The war in Syria, so as not to let Qatari gas into Europe and Turkey, new sanctions against Iran, so as not to increase the volume of supplies to Turkey and for one thing put an end to Turkey's dream of becoming a gas hub .The war in Ukraine, in order to complicate the supply of Russian gas to Europe, for one to clear a place for its gas, by supplying gas from Europe to Ukraine. So if you imagine the Israeli flow as an inevitable reality, then the whole mosaic falls into place

Not! I, of course, understand: "If there is no water in the tap, then the citizens of Israel have drunk" (I am politically correct)!
Here let’s just without fantasies!
.... “The prospect of building a gas pipeline from Israel to Europe, I think, is not less than 10 years. It’s possible to build quickly, but it will take a lot of time to coordinate and design the resource base and the construction of the pipe ”,“ Given that we still have to develop the field, build up the infrastructure and build the gas pipeline, the most optimistic period is the end of this decade, but the real time is rather beyond 2020 of the year"...
The second important point is the resource base of both the Azerbaijani Shah Deniz field, and the Israeli Tamar and even Leviathan. None of this deposits is capable of delivering blue fuel to Europe even close to the extent that Russia provides and guarantees. Of course, the implementation of these pipelines will reduce Gazprom’s share in the European market. But only a few percent. Azerbaijan promises to supply 10 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe, Israel - the same amount. And Gazprom supplies 160 billion cubic meters. Lost 20 billion cubic meters by then will more than be compensated by Chinese supplies ......
How! There is time! We must drive the "Power of Siberia" - the Chinese will buy everything, there are a lot of them.

[BaLaLaykin]

http://www.newswe.com/index.php?go=Pages&in=view&id=4776 объемы газа Израиля-это во-первых,я не говорил за всю европу-только восточная,тут объемы поставок газа туда:http://www.gazpromexport.ru/statistics/,если сложите восточную европу+турция+украина,то получится объем вполне возможный для экспорта из Израиля.в-третьих в 2017 году Израиль выйдет на промышленную добычу,все это стоит денег и не малых,а откуда же их брать,как не с экспорта

[kapitan92]

.......... Earlier, Israeli Energy Minister Silvan Shalom made a proposal to build a powerful gas pipeline. It will be designed to supply gas to the EU countries and may link the Israeli Tamar field on the Mediterranean coast with Italy, through Cyprus and Greece.
Commercial gas production at the Tamar gas field in Israel began in 2013. Geologists estimate the reserves of the field at about 8,5 trillion cubic meters. In addition, the Israelis discovered the Leviathan field 130 kilometers north of Haifa, the reserves of which are estimated at 16-18 trillion cubic meters. Active drilling is currently underway on the Leviathan. Commercial gas production is also expected to start at the field by 2016. If the pipeline is built, Israel could oust the Russian Gazprom from southern Europe .........
I draw your attention to the phrase: - "If the pipeline is built" ...
Now look at the map and estimate the route of the future pipeline through Cyprus and Greece. The Mediterranean Sea is not the shallow Baltic Sea. Time and money. The money will be found, our enemies are sponsoring, but TIME is still playing for Gazprom.

[BaLaLaykin]

Does Gazprom play time, does Ukraine kick it or do you really think that Gazprom will arrange an increase in transit prices? The length of the pipeline from Israel is no longer, maybe even shorter than from Russia to Bulgaria or Turkey, and the Mediterranean sea bottom is much better than the bottom of the Black Sea, so even before 2020, Israel can very well build a pipeline to Europe, it has everything for this, and free money and political support for the n. and brit

[kapitan92]

In order to discuss the topic: Whether Gazprom will arrange or not arrange an increase in the price of transit, you need to know the text of the contract. Do you have it?
And let the Jews build is their legal right. Let Uncle A. Miller have a headache, he is 27 million dollars. receives a year!

[BaLaLaykin]

terms of the contract here: http: //ria.ru/gas_news/20090123/159898856.html and here http://vz.ru/information/2009/1/22/249220.html
and I am not against construction, am I against the methods of removing a competitor from the market, or do you really think that death and chaos in Ukraine and Syria, the death of our pilot and marine is worth it?
And how much Miller earns to me no matter envy is a sin

[kapitan92]

Let's start with the last one.
But the president’s earnings of Gazprom are not indifferent to me because the company is owned by the Russian Federation by 73%. In 2014, he was at the office. According to the data of $ 25 million, in 2015, when sales fell by 30%, it amounted to $ 27 million per year. Google about the drop in volumes and cuts in Gazprom. Probably a VERY effective manager!
Regarding the methods of removing competitors: Concessions on the Yalu River became one of the reasons for the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 (Concessions on the Yalu River - forest concessions on the Yalu River on the border between China and Korea). Irreversible losses on both sides of more than 100 thousand. people
I think I answered your question!

[BaLaLaykin]

you’ve been mistaken for centuries in terms of methods, and their justifications, you don’t feel sorry for the dead people, among whom were small children, but the toad crushes you to other people's money. I’m no longer interested in you

[kapitan92]

Strange you are some kind of comrade BaLaLaykin !!! You ask yourself, you answer yes esche and do your own conclusions.
"Toad to other people's money"! Ha, but I don’t think the money of the "national property" is someone else's money (73% is a state-owned company). If you’re not interested, you don’t have to answer my posts, "a woman with a cart is easier for a mare" (talk).

[alexej123]

TOTALLY FOR. This is a de facto STATE COMPANY. So what ... head of this company gets that salary? In the state, only one person - the head of state - can have the highest salary of civil servants.

[atamankko]

It is impossible to cooperate normally with the junta, therefore, it is not necessary.

[Neko75]

Only dung! and no gas is needed)))
Also power plants on the dung ... Environmentally friendly! )))

[Igor Olegovich]

The Ukrainian people are sorry. Although they got what they deserve. Next time they will not choose different freaks.

[Support]

Quote: Igor Olegovich

The Ukrainian people are sorry. Although they got what they deserve. Next time they will not choose different freaks.

I hope until the next choice of different freaks they will not survive ..... At least someone the Russian people regretted .....

[Ugrumiy]

Damn, how tired of hearing about this gas fuss! Flow there, flow here, prices, etc.! When will finally our government simply turn off the valve to Ukraine and the EU (let the Americans save them) and start building the "Russian Stream", i.e. gasification of your own country and a decrease in the purchase prices for gas and fuel inside Russia, and not the sale of national resources abroad to enemy countries?

[Shark Lover]

Quote: iConst

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What is there about 404 in general to remember. Jumped.

- Yes, do not care what they have there - their problems are not enough?

Absolutely right. Is there gas price data on the domestic market for consumers in different countries? For the macro, micro economy of my small state (family), what role does this gas price play for Ukraine? If Miller’s pocket is too thin, which is unlikely, or another Gazprom cleaner will buy a bag in the Chinese market, instead of a crocodile, then I’m on the drum. If the state’s budget suffers, then there is a whole bunch of officials sitting there who are obliged to think about it, if only because they will have to cut less. Or, again, will the difference in their income be transferred to me (not personally, but like any citizen)? Following the example of gas prices, at a price of 120 rubles per barrel of oil, gas was cheaper than now, the Gaidar economy is burning. It’s just that sometimes you want to escape from the global salvation of the world, thinking about poor corporations losing their profits and fighting for a share of the market, and they helped the banks ask the government at one time, allocating huge amounts that disappeared, helped corporations, maybe already look at the cell society (across the USSR) and at least not to drown this cell? No need to help. We’ll get out, just don’t drown !!!! Harness the fucking middlemen, put things in order in the producer-regiment chain, curb the local princes on the ground in the regions or pass a law that allows us to influence local decisions. ))) At least do this, but we will save the world, without your help.

[Gormenghast]

It is only the egg producers who claim that Ukraine allegedly chooses a supplier. When buying for credit funds, Ukrainians have the right to buy only in Europe, regardless of the price and its correlation with the price of Gazprom.

The actual purchase price of the reverse is determined after the fact, and not at the stage of concluding the contract. In December, Gazprom had $ 222 and $ 250 in reverse. And earlier, respectively, 240 and 272 dollars.

Buying surplus is buying sausage scraps, which may not be.

[iouris]

Most likely, if the EU is able to supply gas at a very low price, consumers in Russia will also soon begin to purchase gas in the EU and transit it through Ukraine. It’s time for the Germans to begin building the Uzhgorod-Pomary-Urengoy gas pipeline.

[VB]

Okraintsy did not pay any money for anything and will not pay and still believe that the whole world, and especially Russia, owes them. These gentlemen should be fenced off with barbed wire and in no case should they be allowed into Russia, and those who settled here, without paying taxes and sending money home, should be sent to the "Nezalezhnaya" and forgotten about them forever.

[gv2000]

... they forgot from subtracting from 190 the 35 that Ukraine receives for supposedly transit of the same gas, which it simply takes from the gas supplied to Europe. Moreover, minus the costs of ensuring this transit in the amount of reverse. He really isn’t. So here they are * on us.

I don’t understand: why is the gas transfer taking place on the Ukrainian-European border, and not on the Russian-Ukrainian border? Then the Europeans themselves would deal with transit.

[kapitan92]

Quote: gv2000

... they forgot from subtracting from 190 the 35 that Ukraine receives for supposedly transit of the same gas, which it simply takes from the gas supplied to Europe. Moreover, minus the costs of ensuring this transit in the amount of reverse. He really isn’t. So here they are * on us.

I don’t understand: why is the gas transfer taking place on the Ukrainian-European border, and not on the Russian-Ukrainian border? Then the Europeans themselves would deal with transit.

...... Europe agreed to Kiev's proposal to move the point of purchase of Russian gas from the western border of Ukraine to the eastern. This will protect Russia from the risks associated with transit through Ukrainian territory and gas extraction, however, according to sources, Gazprom will not do this. The risks associated with moving a procurement point are even higher. On the one hand, the transfer of the point of payment for deliveries is beneficial to Moscow. The fact is that during the gas wars of 2008-2009, when a number of European countries were practically without Russian gas for several winter days, the European Union blamed Russia for this, as it was responsible for deliveries. Although the problem then was that Gazprom stopped transit through Ukraine in early January 2009 due to unauthorized selection of transit volumes
...... “This will deprive Gazprom of its flexibility: Russian gas enters Ukraine, relatively speaking, through one pipe, but leaves in several directions to different countries in Europe. Thus, the company can at some point reduce supply , and in the other direction, on the contrary, build up. It is not very clear who will do this instead of Gazprom.
...... Change of border is a good solution to the "transit issue". But it contradicts Gazprom’s desire to take control of the entire chain from the gas well to the consumer, ”says Mikhail Korchemkin, head of East European Gas Analysis.
If Europe and Ukraine "FOR" the transfer of the gas transmission point, it means that something has been laid down somewhere. We don’t know much in all the undercover games on the gas market, and is it necessary !? It's a boom to hope that the actions and policies of Gazprom's management will benefit our economy!

[mpzss]

A little off topic, but still!
Dnepropetrovsk city site / News / Incidents /
"Due to Yuzhmash's debts, residents of dozens of houses in Dnepropetrovsk sit without light.
Power engineers disconnected the rocket factory from electricity. And along with the plant - and dozens of houses in the district.
As reported in the KP "Dnepropetrovsk Electrotransport", due to the difficult situation, the number of work schedules for trams No. 20 had to be reduced from 6 to 11.
At the same time, Mayor Boris Filatov on his Facebook assured that the authorities had managed to come to an agreement with DTEK. However, he did not specify how. "
Well, what a parash said! as promised! how boasted of this plant ...
BEFORE EXTREME!

[Grandfather Eugene]

Quote: Dembel 77

I wonder what we will talk about in 2019, when will the gas contract with Ukraine end? Dumbed already from this gas issue, tired.

Yes, at 19, problems with oil and a budget deficit are brewing. At 19 we will not be up to the defective clowns Square.

[Neko75]

Quote: kapitan92

If Europe and Ukraine "FOR" the transfer of the gas transmission point, it means that something has been laid down somewhere.

[unfriendly]

Turn off the gas to all of them - EVERYONE in general. What's next? We put a checkpoint on the border and right behind it a gas filling station, but only one so that these parodies of people stand in line like tourists at a mausoleum. What do we get from this? All these European partners and other “brothers” come to us for gas through the checkpoint - = at the checkpoint we take DUTIES for importing empty gas cylinders into the territory of the Russian Federation, we sell them gas at an average but high price. When leaving through the checkpoint back to Europe, we force you to declare gas, pay another duty for the export of gas from the territory of the Russian Federation, and let them draw up some fifteen to twenty documents for each cylinder and so that it would be a long and tedious run around for seals and signatures, and so that They were still being “footballed” and the schedules of the offices involved in the sale of seals and signatures had to be “OPTIMIZED” so that they could process EVERY gas cylinder for months. We will prohibit the import of products together with cylinders - UNHYGIENIC! Let them buy doshirak and pasties from us on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[mpzss]

The funniest thing!

The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine recognized the Russian Gazprom as a monopolist in the Ukrainian gas transit market. The head of the AMCU, Yuri Terentyev, announced this on Facebook.
“A decision was made on the abuse of a monopoly position in the natural gas transit market through the main pipelines of the territory of Ukraine by the Gazprom company, as a monopoly buyer. The amount of the fine is UAH 85 billion,” Terentyev said.

[Markiz_A]

Wouldn't you have to pay the same interest when buying from Russia? It seems that we do not sell gas to Ukraine without prepayment. Why write all this nonsense, or are we trying to find our way?