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Russian promising medium helicopter made the first experimental flight

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The press service of the holding company "Helicopters of Russia" has spread the message that the first flight of a Russian high-speed helicopter took place. The flight was conducted on the basis of the flight test complex of the Moscow ML Helicopter Plant. RIA News gives the text of the statement of the press secretary of the holding "Russian Helicopters" Catherine Pavlova:


In the flight test complex of the Moscow Helicopter Plant. M.L. Mile first flew an experimental helicopter demonstrating technology LL PSV (promising medium helicopter - approx. "IN"). The main objective of the project is the creation of a scientific and technical reserve to increase the speed of flight of helicopters 1,5 times in comparison with serial machines that are currently being produced.


Russian promising medium helicopter made the first experimental flight


Earlier in the holding it was reported that a new model of a high-speed helicopter could allow an increase in the availability of regional flights. The initial designation of the project is the English abbreviation RACHEL (Russian Advanced Commercial Helicopter).

On the Online The Oboronprom United Industrial Corporation published a graphic depiction of a promising Russian-made medium helicopter:

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  1. maxim1987
    maxim1987 19 January 2016 13: 11 New
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    coaxial "Miles" is something new
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 19 January 2016 13: 15 New
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      because you need to create and create your own winged technique, and not buy over the hill, as with Yeltsin or a bear !!!
      1. Nick
        Nick 21 January 2016 20: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        because you need to create and create your own winged technique, and not buy over the hill, as with Yeltsin or a bear !!!

        Correction:
        In this case, the article is about rotorcraft, not about winged
    2. makst83
      makst83 19 January 2016 13: 17 New
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      You lie to the FSU, it’s a board-building model and it cannot fly, because gravity and gravity are on the good side and are not subject to northern Mordor! Yes, and yours, how can a gas station to create something new, because oil on 29, there is nothing to eat and sanctions!wassat wassat
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 19 January 2016 13: 25 New
        +1
        Speed ​​is good, but what about maneuverability at high speeds?
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 19 January 2016 14: 24 New
          56
          and why should he be maneuverable at high speeds? He is not for maneuvering combat, but for delivering passengers to a place not equipped with an airfield (remote villages, small towns, camps, remote border guards. outposts). It should be more convenient, safe and cheap to operate compared to small aircraft. I just have a question: how much money will these regions buy these helicopters? Who will be the operating company? With the current economic model of the country's development, I see no prospects for the country's development. Especially the development of small aircraft. I'm afraid our sorrow economists having read CIA textbooks will lead the country into an economic hole. In my opinion, it is time to change funding priorities from HSE to technical universities. We need tehnori, not Uncle Sam’s students.
          1. FID
            FID 19 January 2016 15: 27 New
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            Quote: Maxom75
            and why should he be maneuverable at high speeds? He is not for maneuvering combat, but for delivering passengers to a place not equipped with an airfield (remote villages, small towns, camps, remote border guards. outposts).

            Are you talking about what country write ??? In our country there are CITIES, but there IS NOTHING more .... And the name is Rachelle ...
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 19 January 2016 23: 19 New
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              I completely agree with you, we have two capitals, and lives on the rest of the territory - this is the opinion of our government (I judge them by their affairs).
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 19 January 2016 17: 01 New
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            Quote: Maxom75
            In my opinion, it is time to change funding priorities from HSE to technical universities. We need tehnori, not Uncle Sam’s students.

            Where to vote ?! I will wave “FOR” with all four! good wink
            Who else would hear us ...
            1. ARS56
              ARS56 22 January 2016 10: 13 New
              +1
              HSE in full force put on a barge and send under their own power to their beloved America. And the captain is not a barge to plant Medvedev.
              And good luck!
          3. Shuttle
            Shuttle 21 January 2016 08: 53 New
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            So his stopudovo scheme is simpler. A screw swashplate is not necessary. So the main screws are much simpler. Maneuvers on an airplane. Therefore, it is cheaper than a conventional helicopter.
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        3. Koshak
          Koshak 20 January 2016 19: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Misha Honest
          Speed ​​is good, but what about maneuverability at high speeds?

          And why is the passenger car super-maneuverable?
        4. vkfriendly
          vkfriendly 21 January 2016 07: 21 New
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          And this, what is the KA-52? Fuck him maneuverability, and even at speeds. Probably, what would the pax concussion received.
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      3. bulvas
        bulvas 19 January 2016 13: 39 New
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        Quote: makst83
        because gravity and gravity are on the good side and not subject to northern Mordor! wassat wassat


        But the lifting force is on our side, and our side is kinder!




      4. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 14: 22 New
        +5
        Now Tatyana will come, and will bring a bunch of iron arguments that it was a repainted Sikorsky X2. soldier
      5. Marconi41
        Marconi41 19 January 2016 16: 53 New
        +9
        Quote: makst83
        You’re lying fse, this is a shield-mounted model and it can’t fly, because gravity and gravity are on the good side and are not subject to northern Mordor!

        Not at all time. We have a gravitsap.
        1. rehev931
          rehev931 19 January 2016 21: 01 New
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          and many, many kts !!! bully
        2. rehev931
          rehev931 19 January 2016 21: 01 New
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          and many, many kts !!! bully
      6. hammer stalker
        hammer stalker 19 January 2016 18: 58 New
        +5
        You ghoul. Everything is fine in our Russian land !!! And it will be even better if everyone works for the good of their family !! And when not to look at the barrels, and the liberals.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 20 January 2016 15: 37 New
          +7
          Quote: stalker hammers
          You ghoul.

          laughing !!!
          It seems that the concept of "sarcasm" is not even familiar to you firsthand hi
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 20 January 2016 19: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: avia1991
            Quote: stalker hammers
            You ghoul.

            laughing !!!
            It seems that the concept of "sarcasm" is not even familiar to you firsthand hi

            The dude got a little jammed out of a feeling of patriotism in a guy, he takes everything seriously and literally. You can forgive.
      7. ver_
        ver_ 22 January 2016 05: 12 New
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        ... so plywood over Paris flies since the days of Bro Noah, and not to hell ..
    3. Deniska
      Deniska 19 January 2016 13: 28 New
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      coaxial Miles
      1. Deniska
        Deniska 19 January 2016 13: 51 New
        +3
        Well, how could it be otherwise ... if judging by the picture in the tail unit, the pushing screw ...
        1. duchy
          duchy 20 January 2016 15: 58 New
          +1
          Precisely, for speed set from TU 95. Class! good bully
    4. Vend
      Vend 19 January 2016 13: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: maximNNX
      coaxial "Miles" is something new

      Well this is a drawing, it would be interesting to look at it in the photo or live.
    5. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 19 January 2016 13: 33 New
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      There has never been a coaxial circuit there either. And most likely it will never be ...
      The flying laboratory (the so-called "demonstration helicopter") was created on the basis of the serial Mi-24K (spotter) ...
      Yes, and the news this two months already. Not less...

      The mysterious "experimental demonstrator helicopter" is actually a remake of the serial Mi-24K ...
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 19 January 2016 17: 06 New
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        Quote: Chicot 1
        There has never been a coaxial circuit there either. And most likely it will never be ...

        "Never say never"
        Once upon a time, the ideas of jet propulsion were also shown with a finger on carriers.
        I think if the "Milevsky" designers come to the conclusion that they, to fulfill a government order, need a coaxial scheme - they use it, not particularly ceremonial.
      2. Iline
        Iline 19 January 2016 18: 51 New
        +6
        What to guess at tea leaves? Just an article taken from an incomprehensible source.
        But the source speaks almost completely about this event like this:
        The first flight of the flight laboratory of a promising high-speed helicopter (LL PSV) took place in Russia: the crew noted good stability and controllability of the machine, Yekaterina Pavlova, press secretary of the Russian Helicopters holding (part of Rostec), told RIA Novosti.
        “In the flight test complex of the Moscow Mil Helicopter Plant named after ML Mil, an experimental demonstrator of LL PSV technologies took off for the first time. The main goal of the project is to create a scientific and technical reserve for increasing the flight speed of helicopters by 1,5 times compared to the serial cars that are currently being manufactured, "she said.
        LL PSV is an experimental aircraft created on the basis of Mi-24, which is "the most optimal from the point of view of the aerodynamic configuration for performing high-speed flights."
        Some elements of the fuselage of the flying laboratory have been finalized, which "significantly reduces air resistance and improves the aerodynamics of the helicopter at high flight speeds."
        “In the first flight on December 29, 2015, the helicopter was piloted by a crew consisting of test pilot Vladimir Kutanin and test engineer Tatyana Demyanenko. The crew noted the helicopter’s good stability and controllability, high dynamic characteristics, and normal operation of systems and equipment,” the source told RIA Novosti.
        One of the main tasks in the implementation of the project today is to obtain experimental data on the use of new whole composite rotor blades on helicopters created at the plant named after M.L. Mile.
        These blades have improved aerodynamic characteristics and are created using the latest developments in the field of aerodynamics, strength, composite materials science and production technology.
        “The scientific backlog obtained during the implementation of these works can be used in modernization programs for existing helicopter equipment,” Pavlova said.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160119/1361791736.html#ixzz3xhpLIa8z
      3. Yak-3P
        Yak-3P 20 January 2016 14: 46 New
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        you are wrong .. moreover, you’ll wait without knowing nihu - I
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      5. Jack-b
        Jack-b 21 January 2016 09: 55 New
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        In fact, a coaxial version in the projects exists, but in the Kamov version of the high-speed helicopter. We have everything in two versions - Milevsky and Kamovsky))) And which of them will win in the end - X. Three.
    6. gjv
      gjv 19 January 2016 13: 38 New
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      Quote: maximNNX
      coaxial "Miles" is something new

      The picture in the article "Kamovskaya" - Ka-92 with two coaxial rotors and one pushing screw.
      LL PSV - the flying laboratory of a promising high-speed helicopter is a machine converted from a Mi-24K helicopter to the Moscow Helicopter Plant named after M. L. Mil. This is what it looks like.


      It is curious that on the website of the Russian Helicopters holding there is nothing about the tests of LL PSV. Although the first flight took place on December 23, 2015.

      How many years will the PSV LL experience before they build the planned RASHEL? request
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 19 January 2016 14: 57 New
        +2
        December 29 and the site has this information.
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 20 January 2016 13: 39 New
        +1
        Rachelle would be RASHEL climb the dictionaries ... laughing

        this pornography is more like an english link
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 20 January 2016 13: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Scraptor
          Rachelle would be RASHEL climb the dictionaries ... laughing

          this pornography is more like an english link

          actually Racheland not Rachelle ... winked
    7. avt
      avt 19 January 2016 15: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: maximNNX
      coaxial "Miles" is something new

      This is a Kamov sketch, they showed models at exhibitions.
    8. pvv113
      pvv113 19 January 2016 18: 05 New
      +1
      Really unusual for Mil
    9. Scraptor
      Scraptor 20 January 2016 13: 34 New
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      So they would have written "in Russian" - why take a steam bath with this English? laughing
      coloring and drawing also remind something
      English abbreviation RACHEL (Russian Advanced Commercial Helicopter).

      besides how commercial priests carry its use is nowhere to be expected?
    10. spravochnik
      spravochnik 20 January 2016 16: 07 New
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      Quote: maximNNX
      coaxial "Miles" is something new


      Actually, this is not the “Miles”, but the Ka-92.
    11. adept666
      adept666 20 January 2016 17: 04 New
      +2
      coaxial "Miles" is something new
      This is not something new, and not that picture is simply attached)) This is the Kamov version of the PSV project: Ka-92. smile And Mi-XI (or PSV) is different. Here is his little face and tested on the Mi-24. I think in the article they mean it. And both of them are two competing PSV projects, see here:
      http://www.oboronprom.ru/catalog/helicopters/perspektivnyi-skorostnoi-vertolet-p
      sv
    12. Hitmaster
      Hitmaster 21 January 2016 03: 49 New
      0
      it’s also a gyroplane, not a helicopter!
    13. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 21 January 2016 07: 50 New
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      Quote: maximNNX
      coaxial "Miles" is something new

      Both companies developed their own options for high-speed helicopter. It was decided to combine technological developments, and now, apparently, the result of this.
  2. seti
    seti 19 January 2016 13: 14 New
    +3
    Something in this article is not enough information. It looks like Mi 38 but two screws .. Maybe something joint with Kamov?
    It is possible that there are two screws - this is a mistake. I rummaged through the internet for info, but everywhere one screw machine is depicted. The helicopter laboratory is more correct.
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 19 January 2016 13: 30 New
      +4
      Not two screws - four. Two pushers are standing in the tail. Probably due to them they want to increase the speed by 1.5 times.
      1. crambol
        crambol 19 January 2016 15: 41 New
        +1



        Two coaxial screws to reduce the effect of torque on the tail boom.


        1. avia1991
          avia1991 19 January 2016 17: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: crambol
          to reduce the effect of torque

          Not reduction, but total elimination. Otherwise, you cannot fly in a straight line. wink
      2. Genry
        Genry 19 January 2016 15: 45 New
        +4
        This is the left picture and is taken from the Kamov theme.
      3. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 January 2016 16: 12 New
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        Quote: lysyj bob
        Two pushers are standing in the tail.

        At the tail two pushing coaxial stand. They want to compensate for the torque that would be transmitted to the body in case of using one pushing screw in the tail. And energy losses per horizontal vortex, which would be behind the helicopter in the case of one pushing one, will be reduced, which means that the flight range will increase. Further increase in efficiency is possible when using hybrid power plant, with an energy recuperator from the rotation of the upper propellers on autorotation at high horizontal flight speeds.
  3. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 19 January 2016 13: 14 New
    0
    Just one question, whose engine is it on? I want to believe in import substitution.
    1. gjv
      gjv 19 January 2016 14: 08 New
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      Quote: Primus Pilus
      Just one question, whose engine is it on?

      TV3-117V Ukrainian Motor Sich, in the future - the Russian VK-2500M Klimoa. LL PSV is intended including and for testing engines.
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 15: 13 New
        +2
        On the VK-2500M tests passed, Ukrainian will not be there
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 15: 12 New
      +1
      two domestic engines VK-2500-01. more details here: http://zhukvesti.info/articles/detail/38085/
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 January 2016 13: 17 New
    +1
    A good thing, especially if the speed really increases. After all, it will be in the region of 450-500 km / h. like An 24. But from an economic point of view, the hour of a helicopter was always more expensive than an airplane. In short, you need to count, not a finger in the sky.
  5. igorra
    igorra 19 January 2016 13: 18 New
    12
    Handsome, and should fly beautifully! Ah liberals, where is that big oil needle with which we cannot get down? When you climbed on an American cactus for grants, don’t confuse us, you have to eat this cactus for a long time.
    1. Kadavercianin
      Kadavercianin 19 January 2016 13: 29 New
      +5
      As for the oil needle, there is such a thought (comparison): who is more dependent on whoever buys drugs or whoever sells, according to the logic of liberalists, the drug dealer has a more severe dependence than drug addicts.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 19 January 2016 17: 14 New
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        Quote: Kadavercianin
        who is more dependent the one who buys drugs or the one who sells

        Do not compare horseradish with your finger. You her - oil - what, can you eat? Or will the people feed her? Money is needed, and our “taxis” cannot take it anywhere else: they need to tinker with their own economies, develop, invest their forces and means .. do they need it? wassat
        So it turns out: OUR "seller" is more dependent than the buyer ..
        1. Kadavercianin
          Kadavercianin 19 January 2016 19: 41 New
          +2
          Then you don’t need to talk about the needle, but bad comparisons come out, I just continued thinking in the same vein as the author of the phrase “oil needle”.

          Quote: avia1991
          Do not compare horseradish with your finger. You her - oil - what, can you eat? Or will the people feed her? Money is needed, and our “taxis” cannot take it anywhere else: they need to tinker with their own economies, develop, invest their forces and means .. do they need it? wassat
          So it turns out: OUR "seller" is more dependent than the buyer ..


          Sorry, but now you said a lot of common words. Oil production is never a makeshift or low-tech production, and a lot of effort is required, both physical and technical, for its production and transportation.
          In addition, oil products are, no matter how corny, the main element of the development and existence of production, energy and transport, and with it trade, is required, and it requires a lot and constantly, so I see no reason why buyers should abandon it, refuse one, you can sell to others, if not transported through the pipeline, then by sea or roads, there would be a desire.

          Economic development, okay, what do you mean by this rather general term, how do you see this development, what needed to be done in the first place, what can be postponed, etc.?
          It seems that the people in Russia are not starving, even in Ukraine they are not starving, and most of the food products are not imported. And Russia is building nuclear power plants and, it seems, is launching something into space and producing some kind of electronics there.

          Take an interest, by the way, what percentage of Russia's GDP is oil sales?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 19 January 2016 20: 31 New
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            Quote: Kadavercianin
            what percentage of Russia's GDP is oil sales?

            9%, I’ve been interested in this for a long time. BUT! GDP is not profit, but gross product. And now you, in turn, take an interest in what percentage gives the sale of oil to the revenue side of the budget? In TO, for which, in fact, are manufactured goods sold?
            Quote: Kadavercianin
            what do you mean by this rather general term, how do you see this development, what needed to be done in the first place, what can be postponed, etc.?

            Ready to debate, but not here: this is already a flood, not a topic. If you want, let's talk in PM. I have something to say wink
            Quote: Kadavercianin
            the main element of the development and existence of production, energy and transport,

            Debatable. Although this is a significant element, of course. But energy is not only hydrocarbons! And for production you need a lot of things - and, first of all, personnel.
            Quote: Kadavercianin
            You said a lot of common words.
            Of course - because I have no ready-made recipes, and - I repeat - the topic is not the one to paint.
            In general, there will be a desire to argue - write! hi
          2. alex86
            alex86 19 January 2016 21: 22 New
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            Quote: Kadavercianin
            what percentage of Russia's GDP is oil sales

            It is much more interesting what percentage of the budget - in 2013 53% of the budget is due to oil - the average price of oil was around $ 110, now $ 30, if it also remains, the budget will remain (110/30 = 3,7, 53/3,7, 14,3 = 100, i.e. there will be so much from oil revenues, the total budget will be 53-47 = 47 - this is without oil) 14 + 61 = 2013% of the 2016 budget will be the 2,5 budget. “Now we are laughing” (Carlson, who lives on the roof). To starve is hardly possible, but where to get new developments, especially when you consider that you need to steal something, and you want to steal as much in dollars, i.e. in rubles you need XNUMX times more. Therefore, budget employees are waiting for sad times, and everyone else ...
            1. Kadavercianin
              Kadavercianin 20 January 2016 15: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: alex86
              Quote: Kadavercianin
              what percentage of Russia's GDP is oil sales

              It is much more interesting what percentage of the budget - in 2013 53% of the budget is due to oil - the average price of oil was around $ 110, now $ 30, if it also remains, the budget will remain (110/30 = 3,7, 53/3,7, 14,3 = 100, i.e. there will be so much from oil revenues, the total budget will be 53-47 = 47 - this is without oil) 14 + 61 = 2013% of the 2016 budget will be the 2,5 budget. “Now we are laughing” (Carlson, who lives on the roof). To starve is hardly possible, but where to get new developments, especially when you consider that you need to steal something, and you want to steal as much in dollars, i.e. in rubles you need XNUMX times more. Therefore, budget employees are waiting for sad times, and everyone else ...


              Sorry, but in my opinion you have poured something into a bunch of revenue in the budget is formed from taxes, as it seems to me there is a slightly different dependence. If it’s interesting, then the income from taxes on mining was 2015% in 18,19, and the customs duties (on resources) were 27,88%, for 2016 they lay 12.8% and 9.5% respectively, in addition, the budget still even if it grew in rubles.

              There is one more small nuance: in the world now the economic crisis is a general crisis, and there are enough experts who believe that the crisis will be larger than the “great depression” in the United States in the 20-30s, so research costs will probably have to be reduced because of physical need, increase costs for more tactically important tasks, and this is if research costs have not been budgeted in advance.

              And by the way, lowering oil prices is not a joy to anyone, not only Russia is trading in oil.
              1. alex86
                alex86 21 January 2016 21: 58 New
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                Even by your numbers 18,19 + 27,88 = 46,07 (I have 53), there will be 12,8 + 9,5 = 22,3 (I have 14), since nothing has changed in the country, then there are no additional sources income is not expected. In this case, a 46-22 fork = 24% drop is for oil at $ 50 / barrel (as budgeted), and it will be 25, that is, 24x2 = 48% drop - I have a 47% drop. Our calculations are close with an accuracy of 1%. Therefore, I repeat: budget employees are waiting for sad times, and everyone else ...
                And I'm afraid that the bar of 100 rubles / dollar is close. And if you recall that before the product of the rate on the price of a barrel was 3300 - 3600, then at 25 $ / barrel the dollar will cost 144 rubles - and this is very sad - but the budget deficit will be no more than 3% of GDP. But then there is definitely no Turkey and Egypt, no televisions, refrigerators and cars — let’s become, as in the 98th after the crisis — we will only exit worse. And this is very sad. Since my pension at 8500 will be equal to $ 20, i.e. less than $ 1 a day - recently Western companies have come across that they buy raw materials in the Congo (it seems), where manufacturers pay children $ 1,5 a day in mines - and how to live? ... And millions receive such pensions.
                1. Kadavercianin
                  Kadavercianin 22 January 2016 12: 35 New
                  0
                  Once again, I will repeat the large-scale economic crisis all over the world, everyone will now have “fun” and will continue to be “more fun," some economists expect a situation close to a complete stop of the global financial system, so no one will be better in the next year.

                  At the expense of 3300-3600 per barrel, I'm sorry, but this formula is not correct, the ruble if I’m not mistaken in free float for about a year, while oil prices have repeatedly sagged, the dollar has not become 120 rubles, so here you are a little inaccurate. In addition, no one has yet been involved in stabilization of the ruble, and if it falls to values ​​that are unfavorable for the state, countermeasures may well be taken. And another nuance you live in Russia, you buy everything for rubles, if the basic vital things like food, toilet paper, soap, electricity, etc. are produced in Russia and you buy them for rubles, then their prices will not skyrocket with growth dollar. You better know the situation here and tell me how the price of food rose, etc., after the growth of the dollar.

                  I would like to apologize very much, but the phrase: “But then there is definitely no Turkey and Egypt, no TVs, refrigerators and cars - we will become, as in the 98th after the crisis - we will only go out worse.”, - offends me:
                  firstly, during the global economic crisis, unnecessary costs are already unacceptable, moreover, the political and military conditions do not at all contribute to tour trips abroad,
                  secondly, that’s why I would like to apologize, but I live in Ukraine, it so happened that when my parents moved here it was still the USSR, and so, it’s always strange for me to hear about small pensions and salaries from Russians, you want to see small pensions and salaries take an interest in the level of salaries and pensions in Ukraine at least for 2012 - 2013, in those years the difference in low-skilled jobs reached 3-5 times, with almost the same average prices for food and other general consumption products, the only thing that was it is more expensive utilities.

                  Sorry, it’s boiling, it just kinda frustrated me when I read about “too low” salaries for a young engineer at a factory at this forum in 2012, then it was somewhere around 28 thousand rubles, well, the bonus is I transferred that money to bucks and got a little embarrassed, I haven’t seen such an initial salary for an engineer anywhere in Ukraine, who excuse me, I don’t really know yet, only very cool specialists at very cool enterprises received such money here at that time one, two and miscalculated.

                  It just so happened that in Ukraine, salaries above $ 1000, as now and 2-3 years ago, were overwhelmingly possible only by programmers since they work as foreigners, these are the things. Of course, there are specialists at enterprises, businessmen, officials, deputies and the military whose salaries are comparable to programmers, but there are not many of them in relation to programmers. And this despite the fact that 2-3 years ago in Russia there wasn’t such a small layer of the population that was not connected with IT and had a direct salary of $ 1000 and above.

                  Pensions in Ukraine on average are not 1500 UAH. - this is somewhere at the moment $ 60 now and the pension is practically not growing and did not grow, by the way, not everyone has such pensions.
                  1. alex86
                    alex86 22 January 2016 19: 00 New
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                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    3300-3600 per barrel

                    This is true, recently this formula has been violated, but it has acted for so long that it is most likely correct (reflects an objective situation.
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    countermeasures taken.
                    - This means that we will waste currency reserves - is this necessary?
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    how did food prices rise, etc. after the dollar rose.

                    about the January leap, I can only say that I hastily bought a gas boiler to the country, because a 24 kW Buderus boiler cost 38 thousand rubles, and it should have become 48 thousand rubles, the rest have not yet played, but for the end of 14-15 years the cheese (even bad) it became 2 times more expensive, decent sausages also, bread almost did not rise in price, vegetables didn’t rise 1.5 times in the off season, and 20 percent in the season, rent increased by 20% (approximately). But keep in mind that the work has become less than 2 times, i.e. nominal incomes became 2 times less (in my construction)
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    definitely no turkey and egypt
                    - And how offends me, given that every year I went somewhere, including to Italy, France, England, and to Turkey, etc.
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    small pensions and salaries
                    - excuse me, I’m breathing unevenly towards Ukraine, my parents lived in Rivne from 1980 to 1988, and I served in Ukraine, but now we live in different countries, we have our own in power, you have your own, there’s even no friendship left, and the tobacco is definitely apart - so with all the sympathy - "sorry"
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    somewhere the rate of 28 thousand rubles, well, the bonus so
                    - I don’t know, I have a foreman with an experience of 10 years (without education, though) I received 25 thousand rubles, well, I stole (the same amount, I think), workers without special skills get 1000 rubles / day, with skills 2500 rubles / day, but without a guarantee of employment.
                    Quote: Kadavercianin
                    not all of them have such pensions.

                    My pension of 8500 is now in the region of $ 100, the rent is 4500, for food 500 rubles / day - it is poor (at least 1000), for gasoline 10 000 rubles / month (100 km / day), every 15000 km - 15000 rubles (3000 rubles / month), taxes on an apartment, a car, a summer house - but in fact I have a very good situation for the time being (for now). I don’t understand how people live, especially pensioners (my parents, for example). Retire permanently - head to the loop ...
                    1. Kadavercianin
                      Kadavercianin 23 January 2016 12: 44 New
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                      Quote: alex86
                      This is true, recently this formula has been violated, but it has acted for so long that it is most likely correct (reflects an objective situation.


                      A small remark, the formula did not work for so long, although it did, but you know that the patterns correlate quite accurately and if the formula is violated, especially in the absence of external factors, then most likely it was essentially a mistake or a very special case.

                      Quote: alex86

                      - This means that we will waste currency reserves - is this necessary?


                      Not in vain if you do not try to reduce too much, but it will have to be done if an excessive fall in the modern economy is necessary, otherwise a further fall will simply lead to some speculative hyperinflation.

                      Quote: alex86

                      about the January leap, I can only say that I hastily bought a gas boiler to the country, because a 24 kW Buderus boiler cost 38 thousand rubles, and it should have become 48 thousand rubles, the rest have not yet played, but for the end of 14-15 years the cheese (even bad) it became 2 times more expensive, decent sausages also, bread almost did not rise in price, vegetables didn’t rise 1.5 times in the off season, and 20 percent in the season, rent increased by 20% (approximately). But keep in mind that the work has become less than 2 times, i.e. nominal incomes became 2 times less (in my construction)


                      In Ukraine, the hryvnia rate dipped almost simultaneously 3 times, there were times when the hryvnia fell almost 4 against the dollar, but then returned up to 3 times it now falls further, for some goods prices soared, respectively, with the dollar / euro rate, for food products in during the week-month, from 1.5 to 2 times, these are only those that are produced in Ukraine, the communal utility has grown by a factor of 2 during the year, in any case gas and electricity. At the same time, no one is going to increase salaries, quite a lot of people agree to do any job, many are happy to receive 1500 UAH. per month - somewhere around $ 60, at least in Zhytomyr, here with work it was so-so before, but now it’s even more “fun”.
  6. Alexez
    Alexez 19 January 2016 13: 27 New
    +2
    Judging by the picture, this is not a helicopter, but a rotorcraft, since its horizontal thrust is determined by an additional propulsion device, in this case a propeller. And if you really try, then in the picture you can see the Ka-92 with the characteristic coaxial pushing screws.
  7. Приговор
    Приговор 19 January 2016 13: 30 New
    +1
    I would like a photo and more information. But, of course, our just done! Although, behind a large puddle, similar developments also follow. Let's see whose one will be better.
  8. miha77
    miha77 19 January 2016 13: 33 New
    +3
    and why did you decide that miles? It says that the tests were carried out on the site a mile and that's it!
  9. Privat
    Privat 19 January 2016 13: 35 New
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    A little more info on the subject:

    Developed preliminary design and technical design of PSV should ensure the creation and commissioning in 2020 of a helicopter with the following main characteristics:

    - maximum take-off weight: 10 500 - 11 500 kg. basic modification: multi-purpose, convertible (for the transport of passengers and goods).
    - passenger capacity: 21-23 people.
    - maximum payload: 3 - 000 kg.
    - normal payload: 2 - 000 kg.
    - practical range with normal payload: 900 km.
    - maximum cruising speed: 320 - 360 km / h
    - the cost of operating a helicopter: 20-25% lower in relation to peers.

    The prospective high-speed helicopter program (PSV) involves two parallel developments - the Mi-X1 Mil design bureau and the Ka-92 Kamov design bureau. Both machines use the operating time traditional for these design bureaus.
    Coaxial scheme - this, it must be understood, Ka-92. And the Mi-X1 should look something like this:

    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 19 January 2016 14: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Private
      Both cars use traditional for these KB best practices. The coaxial scheme is, it must be understood, Ka-92. And Mi-X1 should look something like this

      Miles have long blades - how to solve the issue of increasing speed? Reduce the speed of rotation of the screw so that the tip of the blades on the supersonic does not go away?

      And kamova short blades - a higher speed of the helicopter before the transition of the tip of the blades to supersonic. However, at Kamov, the spacing of the screws is vertical - otherwise the blades will overlap. Even stiffer blades?

      I do not understand this voltage strain for helicopters.
      Need speed and vertical landing with a short take-off - convertiplanes.

      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 January 2016 16: 32 New
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        one engine at the tiltrotor will die - and everything is gone, he can no longer sit down.
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR 19 January 2016 17: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Svetlana
          one engine at the tiltrotor will die - and everything is gone, he can no longer sit down.

          Talk nonsense. No one is stopping the tiltrotor from landing like an airplane.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 19 January 2016 17: 58 New
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            Quote: PROXOR
            No one is stopping the tiltrotor from landing like an airplane.

            due to the large diameter of the propellers, landing of a tiltrotor “on an airplane” is impossible - see http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2013/08/2013_8_13.php
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 20 January 2016 13: 45 New
              +1
              They fly on the same engine, the transmission leaves each engine with both screws.
              High-speed coaxial helicopters are more compact and simpler.

              In fact, they are even simpler than usual, just no one is looking for easy ways lol Rotary engine nacelles could also be made on any cross-section helicopter, turning it into a tiltrotor. laughing drinks
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 19 January 2016 14: 17 New
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      Quote: Private
      The prospective high-speed helicopter program (PSV) involves two parallel developments - the Mi-X1 Mil design bureau and the Ka-92 Kamov design bureau. Both machines use the operating time traditional for these design bureaus.

      what It seems to me that on high-speed helicopters there should be wings or a wide fuselage (playing the role of a glider), and the lifting screws should be wide at some point should be folded or fixed and also play the role of wings, in this case it will be a hybrid of an airplane with a helicopter and speed will not lead to amputation of its own tail or to the destruction of screws. Any other increase in flight speed, in my opinion, will lead to very complex and expensive design solutions, or will not give a tangible effect.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 January 2016 14: 08 New
    +4
    In the picture - Kamov. The problem of a high-speed helicopter is that the total speed of the blade going against the stream, and the stream itself, passes through the speed of sound. And the lifting force drops sharply. On this half of the screw. Coaxial scheme - symmetries all these drops, and the diameters of the rotors (and the linear speed of the ends of the blades) for this scheme are smaller. Not for nothing that Sikorsky also applied a coaxial scheme for its 97th, although it had never been involved in it.
  11. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 14: 17 New
    +1
    and why only a picture? once it’s flown already, it means there are in iron and there should be photographs
    1. gjv
      gjv 19 January 2016 21: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Lalaika
      and why only a picture? once it’s flown already, it means there are in iron and there should be photographs

      Not a picture flew, but LL PSV based on the Mi-24K.
  12. 31rus
    31rus 19 January 2016 15: 04 New
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    Dear Sikorsky company is already completing a similar helicopter project, the models in the photo are like twins
  13. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 January 2016 15: 40 New
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    They delight us and delight.
  14. crambol
    crambol 19 January 2016 15: 50 New
    +4



    -What has been painted here will never fly: his upper propeller blade has gone down behind the beam!

    PS Again, the Romanian flag was hitched to a hereditary Muscovite!





  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 January 2016 17: 55 New
    +5
    The flight was made by a helicopter demonstrator. This is the usual Mi-24 on which new blades and a new cabin are installed.
    1. crambol
      crambol 19 January 2016 22: 31 New
      0
      This is an ordinary Mi-24


      And why is it strange, the twenty-fourth has good aerodynamics.

  16. atamankko
    atamankko 19 January 2016 18: 59 New
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    The main thing is that the work is ongoing and we will hope for the best.
  17. tinibar
    tinibar 19 January 2016 23: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: rehev931
    and many, many kts !!! bully

    And there is a gravitsap, and kts is full, if only PeZhe and all sorts of crimson pants, of which there are too many divorced, do not interfere! wink
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 20 January 2016 13: 58 New
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      Yes, it would be better with her ...
  18. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 20 January 2016 14: 47 New
    -1
    In the flight test complex of the Moscow Helicopter Plant. M.L. Mile first flew an experimental helicopter - a demonstrator of LL PSV technologies. The main goal of the project is to create a scientific and technical reserve for increasing the flight speed of helicopters by 1,5 times in comparison with serial machines that are produced today, ”a company representative told RIA Novosti.
  19. khabib
    khabib 20 January 2016 14: 55 New
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    http://www.fips.ru/Archive/PAT/2012FULL/2012.06.20/DOC/RUNWC1/000/000/002/453/47
    2 / document.pdf
    http://www.fips.ru/Archive/PAT/2011FULL/2011.05.10/DOC/RUNWC2/000/000/002/417/92
    2 / document.pdf
    Ripened!
  20. Seal
    Seal 20 January 2016 21: 47 New
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    Quote: Koshak
    And why is the passenger car super-maneuverable?

    Good shunting characteristics are very necessary in the mountains, of which there are many in our country. And also when using helicopters in cities (police, Ministry of Emergencies, medicine, special services and in the future city air taxi).
  21. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 January 2016 22: 08 New
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    Serdyukov will come (or has he already come?), He will destroy the Russian helicopters.
  22. rzaruba
    rzaruba 21 January 2016 21: 14 New
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    The figure shows the Ka-92, a project of a high-speed coaxial helicopter developed by Kamov Design Bureau with the support of Mil Design Bureau. But in this figure, the project of the Mil Mi-X1 Design Bureau.
    LL PSV based on Mi-24K is most likely just a laboratory for testing components and assemblies for a future helicopter.
  23. Wayna qhapaq
    Wayna qhapaq 22 January 2016 12: 56 New
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    The helicopter is certainly super, but who can tell where the promised Ka-62 is? I ask you to answer on the merits of those who are in the know, and not to minus in a fit of cheer-patriotism.