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Americans and British in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS

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During the Second World War, a very large number of representatives of various nationalities fought in the German troops and SS units, mainly from among the inhabitants of European countries. Many among them were representatives of the Soviet Union, who expressed a desire to go to serve the Germans during the years of World War II. At the same time, representatives of the allied countries, Great Britain and the USA, also served in the armed forces of the Axis countries, but their number was small, which historical interest in this phenomenon is only increasing.


The presence of people born in the United States and former soldiers of the British army in the armed forces of Nazi Germany and Italy during the war years is a kind of historical curiosity that, however, was the place to be. The theme of the presence of citizens and natives of the United States in the army of the Wehrmacht and the SS appears in fiction, films and memories of participants in the war. For example, in the popular TV series “Band of Brothers” (2001 year) there was a scene in which an American paratrooper met in Normandy among the captives of his fellow countryman, with whom he had even worked at one factory before the war. This German is fluent in English and explains to him that before the start of the war his family had responded to the call of the German government to return home.

According to some reports, only a few dozen Americans served in the Waffen-SS units. It was documented that as of May 1940, there were 5 US citizens in the Waffen-SS, more recent data on such citizens are missing. Of these, 9 natives of the USA were killed on the fronts of World War II. Among them was a man with a completely Anglo-Saxon name - Unterscharführer Charles MacDonald. He was born 7 in May 1922 in Buffalo, New York, and died 14 in March 1944 in Estonia.

Vincenzo Patriarca


In all likelihood, much more (most likely, by an order of magnitude) the US natives served during the war as part of the Wehrmacht. Set this figure can be approximately when compared with some data that are available for the Italian army. For example, in 1945, the American immigration authorities found that among the 35 thousands of Italian prisoners of war who worked in the states were 5 natives of the United States. In the German army, in which there were millions of soldiers, the total number of natives of the United States could reach several hundred.

In the Italian army, the natives of the United States also, apparently, were enough. The most famous was Vincenzo Patriarka (Maresciallo Vincenzo Joseph Patriarca), who was born in New York in 1914. Vincenzo grew up in America and dreamed of becoming a pilot, but due to the lack of a formally necessary level of education, he was deprived of this opportunity. For this reason, he returned to Italy, where he enlisted in the military Aviation. Vincenzo Patriarcha took part in the war in Ethiopia, and later in the Spanish Civil War. During World War II, he fought against the Anglo-American allies, first in the skies of North Africa, and then Italy. After the war, he continued to serve in the Italian Air Force, having lived a fairly long life. He died only in 1995 in Naples.

Among the Americans who served in the Wehrmacht, Knight's Cross Boy Rickmers (Boy Rickmers) is the most famous. He was born December 20 1895, in New York. In 1933, he joined the NSDAP, in 1938, in the SS, where he served as Untersturmführer. Later, Rickmers moved to the Wehrmacht, where in 1943 he was promoted to lieutenant. He served in the 320 Infantry Division, which fought on the Eastern Front. Knight's cross, he was awarded 26 March 1943 of the year. Fight Rickmers survived World War II, he died only on December 4 1957 of the year.

Americans and British in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS
Fight Rickmers


It is curious that in a letter written in July 1990, Gerhard Amler, a former SS obershturmbanführer, who in 1944-45 served as a communications officer in the Hitler Youth Division, recalled the unusual reconnaissance platoon that was created in the battalion of his friend Untersharfurer. In that platoon, soldiers who had ever lived in the United States, Britain, Canada, and later voluntarily joined the SS, served. This platoon was engaged in radio interception of messages that the Allies sent in clear.

Most likely, this written story of a former SS man is trustworthy. It is reliably known that during the fighting in the Ardennes, the German command planned to send a certain number of small groups of saboteurs to the rear of the American troops, which consisted of people who could speak English fluently. This fact was subsequently widely played up in American feature films. The activities of these small groups could hardly have influenced the course of the battle, but it raised a real wave of paranoid suspicion in the ranks of the allies. In the Ardennes, the military police resorted to the next trick - they asked suspicious soldiers in the American form tricky questions (for example, they demanded to name the names of baseball stars or were interested in US geography). Sometimes it worked, but in some cases the real American military personnel could not answer the questions, getting into a rather stupid position.

Apparently, the natives of America and people who had lived in the United States for many years and knew the language perfectly could also work in the units of the Gestapo that operated in Belgium and France. They hunted for underground fighters who participated in the transportation of allied pilots shot down over Europe to the UK. By posing as downed American pilots, they penetrated the Resistance and, probably, sometimes even destroyed underground groups. There is even evidence of participants in the resistance movement on this subject.

Killed German saboteur regiment "Brandenburg 800" at the remains of a jeep in the forest in the Ardennes.


Also in 1942, the Abwehr attempted to conduct a first sabotage operation in the US - Pastorius. As part of the operation, 12 of English-speaking Germans who had previously lived in the United States and underwent intensive training at the Brandenburg Commando School was supposed to land on the American coast. At school, the cadets mastered an explosive business and became acquainted with German transport and industrial facilities similar to those they were to blow up in the United States. Eight people who were able to successfully finish the sabotage school in June 1942 were landed from submarines on the American coast. Two of them were recruited by the Germans from the ranks of the armed forces, the rest were civilians. Of these, two returned to Germany before the outbreak of World War II, and the six others between 1 September 1939 and 7 December 1942, apparently wishing to reunite with their country of birth, which had entered the war. I looked for all potential saboteurs and then recruited the head of the operation, Lieutenant Walter Kapp, who himself lived in the United States before the war and took an active part in the work of the pro-Nazi German-American Union.

However, this Abwehr operation ended in failure, as one of the US saboteurs landed in the United States, George Dash, was not going to blow up anything. Almost immediately, he contacted the FBI and surrendered to the authorities, telling at the interrogations about everything he knew. Thanks to his testimony, all saboteurs managed to be detained quickly enough. On 8 of July 1942 of the year, six of them were sentenced to death and on 8 of August they ended their lives in an electric chair. This execution has become the largest act of its kind in US history.

Served Hitler Germany and a certain number of British nationals, as well as representatives of the countries of the Commonwealth. Many of them found themselves in German captivity, where they expressed a desire to fight on the side of the Germans against "world Bolshevism." They all joined the Free British Corps as part of the Waffen-SS. 1 was founded on January 1944 of the year, and for the remaining 1,5 of the Second World War in Europe, 39 people managed to be noted in it. At the same time more 27 military personnel in this "corps" never counted. Among the KSB members were not only British (people of mixed and German descent), but also 3-4, an Australian, a South African, a Canadian, a New Zealander, and even a Belgian who pretended to be a South African. It is known that 6-7 members of this unit in the past were members of the British Union of Fascists (British Union of Fascists). They went to the service of the Nazis for ideological reasons. Also among the soldiers of the Corps were people with a criminal past. At the same time, the majority of KSB members entered into it in order to avoid punishment for various violations (including sexual relations with German women - at least 4 cases), and also to receive various benefits and concessions.

Two soldiers of the British Volunteer Corps Kenneth Berry and Alfred Minchin with German officers, April 1944


In essence, the KSB didn’t show anything until the Germans ended their patience on 8 March 1945, and the corps commander Walter Kühlich issued an ultimatum: either the corps soldiers go to war, or go to a concentration camp. After passing the course of military training, the unit was nevertheless sent to the Eastern Front as part of the SS Nordland 11 Division, which at that time was the most multinational unit. One part of the British volunteers got into the headquarters of a tank regiment, the other into the 11 tank reconnaissance battalion. As an independent combat unit KSB did not take part in the battles. 29 on April 1945, as part of the Steiner Group, the Free British began to retreat west to surrender to the Allies. Also, the remnants of this volunteer corps were identified in Schwerin.

Soldiers of the Free British Corps, in fact, did not really have time to fight with the Soviet soldiers. Of these, only Thomas Cooper (Thomas Cooper), a German mother who was randomly stuck in Germany at the very beginning of World War II and was drafted into the army, managed to make war on the Eastern Front. Before joining the KSB, he managed to serve in different divisions of the Totenkopf and SS-Polizei-Division divisions, was wounded near Leningrad. After the war, surrendered members of the KSB received various prison sentences, in most cases having been released long before their expiration. So, the same Thomas Cooper was sentenced to life imprisonment, but he was released from prison already in 1953 year.

Information sources:
http://www.mihistory.kiev.ua/2ww/1940-45/uscontr.htm
http://feldgrau.info/68-2010-09-02-12-21-46/5619-pro-amerikantsev
http://warspot.ru/1410-anglo-amerikantsy-v-sostave-vooruzhennyh-sil-natsistskoy-germanii-i-ee-soyuznikov
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  1. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 19 January 2016 07: 03
    +2
    they do not like about it .......... in clean America with England does not fit .........
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2016 08: 16
      +1
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      KSB was founded on January 1, 1944 and for the remaining 1,5 years of World War II in Europe, 39 people managed to mark it.

      What do not like?
      According to some reports, only dozens of Americans served in parts of the Waffen SS.

      KSB was founded on January 1, 1944 and for the remaining 1,5 years of World War II in Europe, 39 people managed to mark it.

      For comparison, the Russian liberation army of up to 800 people fought for Hitler.
      The 1st infantry division of the Armed Forces Armed Forces Major General S. K. Bunyachenko, fully armed and manned (about 20000 people);
      The 2nd infantry division of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces Major General G. A. Zverev, the personnel were armed with hand-held automatic weapons up to and including machine guns, heavy weapons were absent (11856 people);
      The 3rd infantry division of the Armed Forces Armed Forces, Major General M. M. Shapovalov, had only a volunteer staff, unarmed (10000 people);
      Air Force KONR Major General V. I. Maltsev (more than 5000 people.);
      Training and reserve brigade of Colonel S. T. Koida (7000 people)
      Russian Corps of Lieutenant General B. A. Shteifon (5584 people);
      15th Cossack Cavalry Corps of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces (32000 men, excluding Germans);
      Separate corps of Major General A.V. Turkul (about 7000 people);
      Separate Cossack Corps in northern Italy (Cossack Stan) of the Marching Ataman Major General T. I. Domanov (18395 people);
      Separate anti-tank brigade of Major Vtorov (1240 people);
      Auxiliary (technical) troops directly subordinate to the Commander-in-Chief (about 10000 men);
      The central headquarters of Major General F. I. Trukhin, the officer reserve at the headquarters of Lieutenant Colonel G. D. Belaya, the separate cavalry squadron of Captain Tishchenko, the guard battalion of the headquarters of Captain A. P. Dubny, the special unit for the protection of the values ​​of KONR Captain A. Anokhin (up to 5000 people);
      1st Joint Officer School of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces Major General M.A. Meandrov (785 students) ...


      Well, and especially for you:
      1. timyr
        timyr 19 January 2016 08: 48
        23
        Especially for the professor. The number of volunteers in the SS troops is 800000 from Europe, how many statistics were called up to the Wehrmacht are silent. The number of Jews captured by Soviet troops was 10173 people. About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht. Especially for Professor Werner Goldberg, this is the last name that speaks of something.
        1. Professor
          Professor 19 January 2016 08: 56
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: timyr
          About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

          May I have proof? I read this libel in the original. There is no reference to any document, just not some "memoirs" of the Wehrmacht soldiers who "themselves did not meet, but heard what it was."

          Especially for Professor Werner Goldberg, this is the last name that speaks of something.

          As a child, Werner did not know that his father was Jewish, since both he and his brother Martin were baptized in the Lutheran church of Grunewald. His father, who grew up in Königsberg, adopted Lutheranism to marry a Christian.

          In 1940, shortly after the armistice with France, Werner Goldberg was dismissed from military service according to Hitler's order of April 8, 1940, in which he prohibited military service Mishling.

          This is just an example of how Jews were "taken" to serve in the Wehrmacht.


          By the way, for math lovers. In Germany, there were about 525,000 Jews before the war, including the children of women and the elderly. According to your 150 served in the Wehrmacht. It turns out that ALL Jews of military age served. Bravo. good
          1. heal
            heal 19 January 2016 09: 59
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            By the way, for math lovers. In Germany, there were about 525,000 Jews before the war, including the children of women and the elderly. According to your 150 served in the Wehrmacht. It turns out that ALL Jews of military age served. Bravo.

            Invalid. There were more Jews in Europe. Or ... then the number of someone in some .... the cost is overestimated at times ???
            1. Professor
              Professor 19 January 2016 10: 40
              -5
              Quote: heal
              Invalid. There were more Jews in Europe.

              You're right. Not correct. 525,000 is in 1933, long before Kristallnacht and the Nuremberg laws. Poland had the largest Jewish community in Europe before the war, 3,351,000 people (1939). After the war, about 80,000 remained (1946). It turns out 3 million were drafted into the Wehrmacht. fool

              Quote: heal
              Or ... then the number of someone in some .... the cost is overestimated at times ???

              Interestingly, neither Germans nor Jews question the number of Jews killed, but 150,000 Jews in the Wehrmacht in Germany for some reason do not report. And what Germans are punctual and record keeping enthusiasts know everything.

              Read how the Jews served in the Wehrmacht. Zamikhovsky Grigory Efimovich - Sailor of the Black Sea Fleet

              Quote: heal
              For comparison: were the territories of the USA and England occupied by the Germans?

              Well? Belarus was occupied, but my grandfather (Belarus) did not join the partisans and beat the fascists, and did not serve them.
              1. saber
                saber 19 January 2016 12: 37
                +4
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военнопленные_в_СССР_во_время_Второй_мировой_войны
                here is a plate with the composition of prisoners. if we take the ratio of prisoners / total as 1/10, then the number of 150000 Jews who fought in the Wehrmacht is quite true. again, the number 10173 is only prisoners in the USSR ....
                Quote: Professor
                There were about 525,000 Jews in Germany before the war, including children of women and the elderly

                Quote: Professor
                Poland had the largest Jewish community in Europe before the war, 3,351,000 people (1939

                Wow ...! But what about the 6000000 destroyed in the Holoca ...... ???? you, father, either remove the cross, or put on your underpants !! hi
                1. Professor
                  Professor 19 January 2016 13: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Saber
                  here is a plate with the composition of prisoners.

                  I'll draw such tablets with my eyes closed. Where did the Jews come from? And where did the representatives of a different nationality go?

                  Quote: Saber
                  Wow ...! But what about the 6000000 destroyed in the Holoca ...... ???? you, father, either remove the cross, or put on your underpants !!

                  Was arithmetic a problem at school or are you still at school? In Germany in 1933 there were 525,000 Jews (0.75% of the population), in Poland in 1939 there were 3,351,000 (in 1933 there were about 3,000,000-9.5% of the population). What doesn’t add up? Are you interested in how many Jews were in Europe in 1933? Approximately 9,500,000, accounting for 1.7% of the population of Europe. This is about cowards.

                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Guys, arguing with a stubborn Jew, all one with Svidomo

                  So you facts it and material evidence to a wall pripret. He immediately paws up. I know him well. wink

                  Quote: timyr
                  Professor and google is not fate.

                  Oh, how I love to have a discussion with those who send me to Google. I enjoy it straight. With you, Mr. liar, everything is clear.

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You can’t arrange a srach, you must throw a shit.

                  I violated the rules of the site - sculpt boldly warning.
                  1. saber
                    saber 19 January 2016 14: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    I'll draw such tablets with my eyes closed. Where did the Jews come from? And where did the representatives of a different nationality go?

                    And draw! and place it on Wikipedia! Al Wikipedia is not a source to you today? Where are the Jews from? so well known from the Wehrmacht! That and other nationalities! Finns, for example! Though there are fewer than Jews ....
                    Quote: Professor
                    Was arithmetic a problem at school or are you still at school? In Germany in 1933 there were 525,000 Jews (0.75% of the population), in Poland in 1939 there were 3,351,000 (in 1933 there were about 3,000,000-9.5% of the population). What doesn’t add up? Are you interested in how many Jews were in Europe in 1933? Approximately 9,500,000, accounting for 1.7% of the European population

                    I'm fine with arithmetic. the Jews with her are not very
                    A comparison of the number of Jews in Europe before and after the war, carried out in 1949 by the World Jewish Congress, led to the conclusion that the death toll in the Holocaust is six million; this number is fixed in the verdicts of the Nuremberg trial over the main war criminals [24], the Eichmann trial, and was recognized by the majority of the participants in the International Conference of Scientists on the Statistics of the Catastrophe (Paris, 1987), where figures from 4,2 million were discussed (according to G. Reitlinger) up to six million (according to M. Marrus and others). This is Wikipedia .... that's just Spielberg screwed you up, when he shot his "Schindler's list" as many as 52000 only recorded video testimonies (more than 200000 in total!). This is out of 3500000 REMEMBERING the Holocaust did the mid-90s survive? didn't die until Spielberg was told
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 19 January 2016 16: 25
                      -2
                      Quote: Saber
                      And draw! and place it on Wikipedia! Al Wikipedia is not a source to you today?

                      Not a reliable enough source. I edit the wiki all the time. She is still far from the "collective mind". Where are the Ukrainians in your table? There are Armenians, but no Bandera.

                      Quote: Saber
                      I'm fine with arithmetic. the Jews with her are not very

                      Yes, it seems Jews were not noticed in illiteracy, however, like the Germans. Both converge among the annihilated Jews.
                      Where is the reference to the 1949 census? For general development.

                      Quote: kyznets
                      Well, citizen professor, about the great desire of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians to participate in the genocide of Jews, you have gone too far.

                      I did not write this. My grandfather, a Belarusian, partisan beat Nazis and genocide anyone.

                      Quote: kyznets
                      And who then saved the same Jews from this genocide?

                      Individuals. They are called "the righteous of the world."

                      Quote: kyznets
                      It’s unpleasant, disgusting, to read when my ancestors are smeared with mud, who shed their blood not for any particular nation, but for their homeland, for Vera, and yes, for Stalin too, and for concepts broader than one nationality.

                      And I'm unpleasant. And I also dislike such articles in which they find among the people who put 600,000 on the margins of the Second World War "several dozen Americans" and waste it.
                      1. saber
                        saber 20 January 2016 08: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Not a reliable enough source. I edit the wiki all the time. She is still far from the "collective mind". Where are the Ukrainians in your table? There are Armenians, but no Bandera.
                        I was waiting for this answer, I remind you when you quote the wiki next time ... Ukrainians are put into separate production, it’s quite logical, given the scale

                        Quote: Professor
                        Yes, it seems Jews were not noticed in illiteracy, however, like the Germans. Both converge among the annihilated Jews.
                        Where is the reference to the 1949 census? For general development

                        aha ... and the Germans were asked so ... try to disagree with the Jewish calculations, you will go and seek revenge for denying the unobvious. census 1949 where? By the way, I do not justify the Germans, even the death of ONE Jewish child (as well as any other, however) is already a reason to hang them all. But you already got it, the elect, some like God, the second a prophet, others just like that, self-elected. all should be lowered from heaven to earth for the sake of peace on earth. because of you, "chosen ones", all troubles
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 20 January 2016 09: 03
                        -3
                        Quote: Saber
                        1949 census where?

                        And I about it. Where is she? Take the trouble to submit a reference.

                        Quote: Saber
                        because of you, "chosen ones", all troubles

                        "By God the elect". That's right.
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 20 January 2016 06: 05
                +2
                Do you seriously think that you will make the "professor" recognize white as white and black as black? Naive. 10000 in our captivity, and killed, wounded. And the guys are not unpretentious They rushed to surrender to the West. 150 Jews in the Wehrmacht, it is considered proven, link to the book below. And just type in Yandex "Jews in the Wehrmacht."
        2. Avantageur
          Avantageur 19 January 2016 10: 33
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          It turns out that ALL Jews of military age served. Bravo.

          Who just did not fight in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS, but the Jews surpassed them all. Oh no no no...
        3. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian 19 January 2016 10: 38
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          Before Germany, there were about 525,000 Jews before the war, including the children of women and the elderly. According to your 150 000 served in the Wehrmacht. It turns out that ALL Jews of military age served.

          I apologize for interfering in your scientific dispute, I just found the topic extremely interesting. Comrades Major Professor, I report that both your opponent and you are a little inaccurate in the above statements. Your opponent, declaring about the persons of Jewish nationality who served in the VERMACHT, although it was more precisely necessary to indicate that in the countries of the "Axis", you are operating exclusively with data on Jews, subjects of the Reich. As far as I know, for example, in Finland there were no restrictions on service in the army and Shutskore for Jews.
          1. Professor
            Professor 19 January 2016 10: 47
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            Quote: Pomoryanin
            As far as I know, for example, in Finland no restrictions were imposed on Jews for military service in the army and Schutskor.

            In Finland it was not provided. Jewish soldiers fighting for Finland
            Why they had "graters" with Germany. Germany was very disturbed. However, the comrade here about the Jews and the Wehrmacht is trying to conduct a non-scientific dispute without proof. Let him explain how the Nuremberg laws were bypassed.


            PS
            In July 1942, the SS Reichsfuhrer Himmler flew to Finland. The purpose of the visit was to obtain the consent of the Finnish authorities on the deportation of Finnish Jews to Nazi death camps. The Nazis had no doubts - after all, the authorities and the population of all countries occupied and allied with Germany - Russians and Lithuanians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, French and Hungarians - participated with great desire in the genocide of their Jewish fellow citizens.

            However, only in Finland did the Nazis come across a firm refusal of the Finns to participate in the genocide. The commander-in-chief of the Finnish army, Marshal Mannerheim, told the members of the government: "Not a single Jewish soldier will be taken from my army to be handed over to Germany. Unless only through my corpse. There can also be no question of extraditing relatives and friends of my military, since such actions may negatively affect on the morale of the army. "
            1. kyznets
              kyznets 19 January 2016 14: 30
              +5
              Well, citizen professor, about the great desire of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians to participate in the genocide of Jews, you have gone too far. It smells ugly and bad. And who then saved the same Jews from this genocide? Finns led by Mannerheim and the Jews themselves? Did they both liberate Europe from the Nazi plague? And at the same time probably from the Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians who participated in the genocide. My grandfather and uncle (Belarusians) fought in partisans, then liberated Poland, Austria, Germany. Uncle became disabled at 19, (went to partisans at 16). The second grandfather (Jew) fought in front-line intelligence. He fought since 1941. Reached Koenigsberg, then Khingan and Port Arthur. It’s unpleasant, disgusting, to read when my ancestors are smeared with mud, who shed their blood not for any particular nation, but for their homeland, for Vera, and yes, for Stalin too, and for concepts broader than one nationality.
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 19 January 2016 21: 25
            +4
            Pomeranian
            Michael Rigg, a professor of history at the American Military University and a Ph.D. who once served as a volunteer in the Israel Defense Forces, recently published a sensational book: "Jewish soldiers of Hitler: an untold story of Nazi racial laws and people of Jewish descent in the German army," which indicated that 150 Jews served in the Wehrmacht. I think that they also served in the armies of Romania, Hungary, Italy, Croatia, but you never know.
            And this is the source.
    2. heal
      heal 19 January 2016 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      For comparison, the Russian liberation army of up to 800 people fought for Hitler.

      For comparison: were the territories of the USA and England occupied by the Germans?
      1. Aitvaras
        Aitvaras 19 January 2016 11: 30
        +3
        Lithuania and Greece were then also occupied by the Germans, but despite this they refused to create national SS units and swore allegiance to Hitler. For this, many Lithuanian military men were shot and exiled to Nazi concentration camps. This is a rare exception among the countries conquered by Germany and Europe.
        1. iouris
          iouris 19 January 2016 11: 50
          +2
          In 1940, parts of the Lithuanian army became part of the Red Army (Surname Moteka telling you something?), And an infantry school was created in Vilnius. This means that in Lithuania, joining the USSR was then assessed, on the whole, as meeting national interests. This is understandable, given the territorial acquisitions of Lithuania and the foreign policy situation.
        2. Severomor
          Severomor 19 January 2016 12: 55
          0
          Quote: Aitvaras
          Lithuania and Greece were then also occupied by the Germans, but despite this they refused to create national SS units and swore allegiance to Hitler. For this, many Lithuanian military men were shot and exiled to Nazi concentration camps. This is a rare exception among the countries conquered by Germany and Europe.

          Why are you re-posting this nonsense in another topic?
          You have already been answered in the topic "The second brigade is being formed in the Lithuanian army",
          - http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=117705
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 19 January 2016 21: 09
          +1
          Yes, Klaipeda was shared with the Germans, after 1mv. And harbored not good ...
    3. tacet
      tacet 19 January 2016 11: 50
      +8
      Again there is an individual striving to shock the mega-figures with the public!)))
      According to open archives:
      1) ROA (Russian Liberation Army)
      Commander: Andrey Vlasov
      Maximum number: 110-120 people
      2) "Russian building"
      Maximum number: 16
      Commander: Boris Shteifon
      3) "Cossack camp"
      Maximum number: 2000-3000 people
      Commander: Sergey Pavlov
      4) 1st Russian National Army
      Commander: Boris Holmston-Smyslovsky
      Population: 1000 people
      5) Ethnic groups
      Maximum number: 50
      TOTAL - less than 200 bodies.
      As for your figure of 800, this is the total number of XIVI (Xivi received special books confirming their status as military personnel. Naturally, in conquering Russia, the Nazis needed assistants from the local population, civil servants - cooks, waiters, machine cleaners and The Germans cordially wrote down all of them in “Khiva.” They had no weapons and worked in the rear posts for a piece of bread. Later, when the Germans were already defeated at Stalingrad, Goebbels’s department began to rank the Khiva as “Vlasov”, hinting that it was treason Communism was inspired by the political example of Andrei Vlasov. In reality, many Khivis very vaguely knew who Vlasov was, despite the abundance of propaganda leaflets. At the same time, about a third of Khivis were actually engaged in military operations: as local auxiliary units and policemen.)
      SO REMOVE THE PUBLIC FROM SPECULATIONS.
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 January 2016 12: 00
        -8
        Quote: tacet
        1st Russian National Army
        Commander: Boris Holmston-Smyslovsky
        Population: 1000 people

        Well, of course, an army of 1000 people. Their division was 250 people. A regiment of 40 people, a company of 8 people, a platoon of 2 people. Branch 1/3 fighter ... lol

        Well, of course, an army of 1000 people. Their division was 250 people. A regiment of 40 people, a company of 8 people, a platoon of 2 people. Branch 1/3 fighter ...

        Hitler alone had several tens of thousands of Cossacks, but here is an article about a couple of dozen Americans and Britons. negative
        1. tacet
          tacet 19 January 2016 13: 00
          +2
          You cling cheaply. You tie the name to the number. Or, for example, the title of the Inca emperor "Intip Cori" (Son of the Sun) do you also understand literally?
        2. tacet
          tacet 19 January 2016 13: 03
          0
          As for a couple of dozen amers and shaves in the service of Hitler, these are far from all examples of this phenomenon.
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 January 2016 20: 21
        -1
        What about the police?
        There were a lot of police battalions, in my opinion 80.
        Employees of special organizations you take into account.
        Gestapo translators - this is hevi Military drivers - hevi? Mechanics in the front line, repairing fast and high-quality military equipment, which will go into battle tomorrow - Heavi?
        I do not agree with the Cossack formations either.
        By ethnic legions, too. There were really a lot of them.
        As recently as yesterday I read about this in the magazine "Soldier". There are many, with part numbers, uniforms ...
        The Baltic states put up the entire mobilization resource. Tatars of Crimea excelled ...
        A million, according to the most conservative estimates.
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 January 2016 20: 21
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        Three million went to work in Germany. They took a place at the machine tools instead of the Germans who had gone to the front. I do not blame them, just stating a fact.
        But I had to hear the figure and 8 million workers.
        This does not mean that all were traitors. But it was, and this must be remembered.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 January 2016 12: 48
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      Quote: Professor
      Well, and especially for you:

      Yeah, forgive Oleg for daring to post such an article on the site. You cannot arrange a srach, you must throw a shit. Which ultimately led to the extinction of relations between Jews and Russians. A handsome young man.
    5. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 January 2016 16: 38
      +1
      ROA Vlasova existed, but did not fight in the Eastern Frote.
      Her only military campaign was the events in Czechoslovakia in May 45th.
    6. Scraptor
      Scraptor 20 January 2016 11: 49
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      Quote: Professor
      Americans and British in the service in the Wehrmacht and the SS

      all of them were in the service in the Wehrmacht and CC who did not fight on the Western Front because the Oil standard supplied the Nazis with fuel and lubricants without which the Wehrmacht would have stuck in the summer near Stalingrad.
      If we see that Germany wins, then we should help Russia, and if Russia will win, we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as much as possible ...
      Harry Truman (New York Times, 24.06.1941)
      Well, something like this ...
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 20 January 2016 11: 57
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        it’s during the parade, wearing uniform

        What other "Protestant girls" photographers, you want professor?
    7. BAI
      BAI 9 January 2017 15: 19
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      So what? There is a glorious representative of the Jewish people.

      Field Marshal Aviation Milch. Himself.
    8. mroy
      mroy 9 January 2017 16: 06
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      Professor, the number of units you brought is 133860 people. You indicate the total number of ROA 800000. Where are the rest?
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  3. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 19 January 2016 11: 46
    +1
    But why does the author post such large photos of the Nazis? In my opinion, these people do not deserve to remember their names at all, these are not people, but a dirty gray mass.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 19 January 2016 08: 07
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    Yes .. about it somehow they don’t write in the USA and England .. Thank you to the author ..
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 19 January 2016 09: 01
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      Quote: parusnik
      Yes .. about it somehow they don’t write in the USA and England .. Thank you to the author ..

      yeah, tell me, are you familiar with the topic?
      obviously not.
      this is only from an article about Thomas Haller Cooper (Treason).

      Stratford, Steven. "British Military & Criminal History 1900 to 1999: Case of Tomas [sic] Haller Cooper". Retrieved 2 April 2014.
      Adrian Weale. Renegades: Hitler's Englishmen. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 2nd edition, 2014
      "The legion of traitors". Scotland on Sunday. 8 September 2002. Retrieved 16 April 2015.
      Weale, Adrian (2014-11-12). Renegades (Kindle Locations 2339-2340). Random House. Kindle edition
      "Death Sentence For High Treason." Times, London, England, 12 Jan. 1946: 2. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 20 Mar. 2015.
      "Court Of Criminal Appeal." Times, London, England, 12 Feb. 1946: 8. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 9 May 2015.
      Weale, Adrian (2014-11-12). Renegades (Kindle Location 3356). Random House. Kindle Edition.
      Sean Murphy. Letting the Side Down: British Traitors of the Second World War, P215. London: The History Press Ltd, 2005. ISBN 0-7509-4176-6
      Weale, Adrian, Renegades: Hitler's Englishmen. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1994. ISBN 0-7515-1426-8
      1. Kubyanka
        Kubyanka 19 January 2016 10: 02
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        And for whom did you post it?
        1. Doctorleg
          Doctorleg 19 January 2016 16: 34
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          Quote: Kubyanka
          And for whom did you post it?

          Probably for Parusnik. Or maybe for you?
  • creak
    creak 19 January 2016 10: 54
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    Quote: Kubyanka
    After the war, surrendered members of the KSS received various prison sentences, in most cases they were released long before they expired. So, the same Thomas Cooper was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was released from prison already in 1953.


    I would like to add to the above that the British Themis was not so supportive of all the legionnaires. So, John Emery, the son of the First Lord of the Admiralty, despite his father’s high position, was sentenced to death and hanged after the war for serving with the legion.

    In addition to the British Legion, the Germans formed another quite exotic unit - the Indian Legion, equipped with Indians serving in the British Army. The Legion was repeatedly reformated, did not take part in hostilities and existed for propaganda purposes.
    On the fate of the Indians serving in it, there is the most contradictory information that cannot be considered reliable ...
  • timyr
    timyr 19 January 2016 11: 14
    +1
    Well, in general, the population of the Reich for 41 years was 114 million people. And as Goering said there, who in my headquarters a Jew I decide. Erich Milk was such a person or he was also fired. It is not clear that many Germans recorded, and when they were captured, they remembered that they were Jews, French, Poles. Moreover, 300000 French volunteers signed up for the Wehrmacht and the SS. As for the wait, I don’t remember how this book was called about Jews in the service of the Wehrmacht, it is on the net. Well, or lists of prisoners is not a fact for you professor.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2016 11: 19
      -5
      Fact? Where are these listings?
      Regarding "recorded", look at the Nuremberg laws and the punishment for violating these laws. I can imagine how a Jew comes to the local town hall and asks to write him down as a Catholic and that his Jewish origin does not appear. fool

      Quote: timyr
      About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

      What is your evidence?

      PS
      Do you even know Germans? Have you ever lived or lived in Germany?
  • timyr
    timyr 19 January 2016 11: 57
    +3
    And that the professor lists of prisoners is not proof or the NKVD lists of prisoners forged. And where does Germany live or not. And he worked with the Germans together, both with ours and with the FRG. It’s not clear that the topic is forbidden. And what kind of laws were 1/16 German, 1/8 Jew. And why are you so excited, well, you fought for Hitler and what’s the matter, there were not only Jews and Swedes and Turks and Negroes of every creature in pairs. So what about Milch how they kicked him out of the Luftwaffe.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2016 12: 04
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      Quote: timyr
      And that the professor lists of prisoners is not proof or the NKVD lists of prisoners forged.

      Lists in the studio.

      Quote: timyr
      About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

      What is your evidence?

      Quote: timyr
      And where does Germany live or not.

      If they lived, then perhaps they understood their mentality and felt pedantry.

      Quote: timyr
      And why are you so excited, well, you fought for Hitler and what’s the matter, there were not only Jews and Swedes and Turks and Negroes of every creature in pairs.

      I was not excited, but was indignant at the fact that they wrote a whole article about a few dozen renegades. Is the honor great?

      Quote: timyr
      So what about Milch how they kicked him out of the Luftwaffe.

      So he brought evidence of German origin. Or not?
  • timyr
    timyr 19 January 2016 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Fact? Where are these listings?
    Regarding "recorded", look at the Nuremberg laws and the punishment for violating these laws. I can imagine how a Jew comes to the local town hall and asks to write him down as a Catholic and that his Jewish origin does not appear. fool
    9
    Quote: timyr
    About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

    What is your evidence?

    PS
    Do you even know Germans? Have you ever lived or lived in Germany?

    Brian Mark Rig is talking about something. Read his books and refute. I wonder how it will turn out to refute the Jew. In the military district of Munich in the year 40, 2269 Jewish officers served with special permission. And in the entire Wehrmacht served 16 thousand Jewish officers. But for ordinary people, only a statement was required that he was not a Jew.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2016 12: 23
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      Quote: timyr
      Brian Mark Rig is talking about something. Read his books and refute.

      Read. There is nothing to refute. Not a single document. Only fantasy.

      Quote: timyr
      And that the professor lists of prisoners is not proof or the NKVD lists of prisoners forged.

      Lists in the studio.

      Quote: timyr
      About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

      What is your evidence?

      PS
      I wonder how it will turn out to refute the Jew.

      So onet a Jew, a Baptist. fool
  • solovald
    solovald 19 January 2016 12: 33
    +1
    The war ... what can I say, it’s a different people, it happens - someone for a plate of pancakes, someone for ideological reasons, someone at gunpoint ... Stalin was not in vain who repressed and resettled some peoples to Siberia and beyond, to know there were reasons.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 19 January 2016 12: 43
    +4
    Guys, arguing with a stubborn Jew, all that’s with Svidomo ... the question is simple, every nation, nation, has black sheep or herds of sheep ... but in the end, we look at the outcome of how it all ended and where these black sheep are in for the most part ..
    There is such an expression "Jewish happiness", probably there is also "Jewish truth" .. somewhat different from the usual ... and most importantly, no one denies the presence of traitors, national formations in the Wehrmacht and SS (Chechens, Crimean Tatars and others). .. the main thing is that this does not happen again ..
    and yet, I’m not an anti-simite and I think that whoever you are by nationality, most importantly your human qualities
    1. tacet
      tacet 19 January 2016 13: 16
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      I believe that it is not worth introducing a national coloring (with regards to opponents) in this matter.
  • timyr
    timyr 19 January 2016 12: 46
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: timyr
    Brian Mark Rig is talking about something. Read his books and refute.

    Read. There is nothing to refute. Not a single document. Only fantasy.

    Quote: timyr
    And that the professor lists of prisoners is not proof or the NKVD lists of prisoners forged.

    Lists in the studio.

    Quote: timyr
    About 150000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht.

    What is your evidence?

    PS
    I wonder how it will turn out to refute the Jew.

    So onet a Jew, a Baptist. fool

    Professor and google is not fate. I’ll tell you if you are collecting the nationality of prisoners of war who fell into Soviet captivity or this is not true. There Poles were captured more than the Jews calm down. But what if a Jew is a Baptist, he is not a Jew. So what about 16 thousand Jewish officers in the Wehrmacht.
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  • nekromonger
    nekromonger 19 January 2016 15: 44
    +1
    It is curious that in a letter written in July 1990, Gerhard Amler was a former SS Obersturmbunführer, who served as a signalman in the Hitler Youth Division in 1944-45

    excuse me how to understand? at 44-45 he was a signalman, and when did he get the Obersturmbanführer at 50m?
  • Idiot
    Idiot 14 February 2016 21: 39
    0
    "Professor" is the call sign of a group of trolls, of course it makes sense to argue with them with reason, their presence even brings some variety to the forum, so to speak, invigorates. But in general, they say about such people: even if ssy in the eyes - all the dew of God.
  • BAI
    BAI 9 January 2017 15: 14
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    Of the representatives of the European race in the Wehrmacht, only gypsies did not fight. All the others (to one degree or another) participated in the war for the Fuhrer’s cause.