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Navy: the submarine of the project "Lada" will be much quieter "Varshavyanka"

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677 diesel-electric submarines of low noise level will surpass its predecessor - the Varshavyanka-type submarine, reports RIA News a message from the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy Vladimir Tryapichnikov.


Navy: the submarine of the project "Lada" will be much quieter "Varshavyanka"


The head submarine of the specified project "St. Petersburg" is now undergoing trial operation in the North navy.

“There is a well-designed submarine 677-th project" Lada ". She is now in trial operation at the SF. There are questions, but when they are closed, adjustments have been made to the working design documentation, to the operating instructions — this will be a serious submarine, which will be much louder than the submarines of the VNSVX 636 project now. ” ,
said on Saturday Prayers.

According to him, “to date, two more non-nuclear submarines of the 677 project are being prepared for the transfer of the Russian Navy - these are the“ Great Luke ”and“ Kronstadt ”, which are built taking into account the comments that were found in the pilot operation of the headboat,” he specified .
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  1. Smoked
    Smoked 17 January 2016 12: 39
    +1
    In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2016 12: 41
      12
      Quote: Smoked
      In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

      Charges the batteries.
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 17 January 2016 12: 43
        +1
        Well, is it smoke, maybe it also sets in a tank? Injecting diesel fuel into heated exhaust pipes :)
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 17 January 2016 12: 56
          +4
          Quietly, yes - this is a breakthrough. If we take it on faith that the type "Lada" surpasses the type "Varshavyanka" in noiselessness 10 times. But "Varshavyanka" is also too early to "age". In many respects, it is not inferior to the project 677 "Lada". And let's say, at maximum speed on the surface, the Varshavyanka is superior. Lada's speed is 10 knots, while Varshavyanka's is 17!
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 17 January 2016 13: 25
            22
            Quote: Proxima
            Quietly, yes - this is a breakthrough. If we take it on faith that the type "Lada" surpasses the type "Varshavyanka" in noiselessness 10 times. But "Varshavyanka" is also too early to "age". In many respects, it is not inferior to the project 677 "Lada". And let's say, at maximum speed on the surface, the Varshavyanka is superior. Lada's speed is 10 knots, while Varshavyanka's is 17!


            And we slowly go down the hill and .... the whole herd. wink
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 17 January 2016 14: 12
              +5
              Recently it seemed to be about the same.
              And so, it looks more like a mantra, when nothing has been really done yet, but on all channels it will be quieter, quieter, quieter .....
              1. VP
                VP 17 January 2016 16: 47
                +4
                The first boat is already there, therefore, about noiseless etl is no longer an assumption
                1. Valiich
                  Valiich 18 January 2016 22: 10
                  +2
                  Thank God the Kulibins were not extinct on the Russian land! They should be given a decent payment not such a thing! Already reanimate the Soviet project "killer of aircraft carriers" to America, in vain they woke up the bear!
            2. tasey
              tasey 17 January 2016 18: 04
              -1
              .... fucking ...
            3. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 17 January 2016 19: 53
              +9
              This is just that tool, so that the whole herd slowly ...
            4. tol100v
              tol100v 18 January 2016 22: 28
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              ... And let's say, at maximum speed on the surface, the Varshavyanka is superior. Lada's speed is 10 knots, while Varshavyanka's is 17!

              Why do you need speed in the water position? It's about secrecy and noiselessness! In a duel, this will probably be more important!
          2. Dilshat
            Dilshat 17 January 2016 13: 35
            +2
            how about autonomy?
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 17 January 2016 13: 45
              +4
              Quote: Dilshat
              how about autonomy?

              Autonomy is the same for both series - 45 days.
          3. Tersky
            Tersky 17 January 2016 13: 52
            +9
            Quote: Proxima
            By noiselessness, yes - this is a breakthrough.

            One of the fundamental shifts in this breakthrough is that the quieter our boats, the louder the bunches of Western "partners".
            1. ava09
              ava09 17 January 2016 14: 52
              +6
              Quote: Tersky
              Quote: Proxima
              By noiselessness, yes - this is a breakthrough.

              One of the fundamental shifts in this breakthrough is that the quieter our boats, the louder the bunches of Western "partners".

              "Breakthrough" is a powerful word.
              (C) the submarine of the Lada project will be much quieter than Varshavyanka (C)
              "Will" is also not weak. According to their promises, it should be long ago. And if there is, then this is the only "breakthrough" with a decrease in speed? The fleet has long needed new ships, but these slogans are more like attempts to calm a hopeless patient with a negligent doctor. It is necessary to DO, and not cover up with loud statements an obvious delay that begins to resemble sabotage, precisely because of such a "PR" ...
              1. Old
                Old 17 January 2016 15: 35
                +6
                They do so ... Each has its own business. Someone builds ships, and someone pi..t in the media, and someone reads. Who studied what.
              2. Evgeniy667b
                Evgeniy667b 17 January 2016 18: 57
                +2
                There was information that 2 submarines "Lada" are leaving in 2019, due to the adjustment of the state defense order
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          4. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 14: 00
            +3
            Quote: Proxima
            If we take it on faith that the type "Lada" surpasses the type "Varshavyanka" in noiselessness 10 times.

            I hope not only noise is reduced, but there is also progress in the detection tools.
          5. Pajamas
            Pajamas 17 January 2016 18: 26
            +6
            Quote: Proxima
            Quietly, yes - this is a breakthrough. If we take it on faith that the type "Lada" surpasses the type "Varshavyanka" in noiselessness 10 times.

            Varshavyanka "makes noise" at the background level, it is interesting 10 times like it, it reduces the background oceanic noises, psychic attack - where "Lada" there is no noise at all, the acoustics have a nervous breakdown))) apparently all this at a temperature of minus 274 degrees

            "- Doctor, I seem to be dying! Wherever I stick my finger, there is such pain! -Uh, friend, your finger is broken!"
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 17 January 2016 20: 22
              +3
              Quote: Pajama
              Varshavyanka "makes noise" at the background level, it is interesting 10 times like it, it reduces the background oceanic noises, psychic attack - where "Lada" there is no noise at all, the acoustics have a nervous breakdown))) apparently all this at a temperature of minus 274 degrees
              They are sadly joking about Lada that any submarine standing at the pier is much quieter than Varshavyanka. Soon, a decade will be trial operation, all the same on combat duty will not work
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 17 January 2016 13: 01
        21
        Midshipmen smoke went into the vestibule.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 17 January 2016 13: 03
          14
          Quote: iliitch
          Midshipmen smoke went into the vestibule.

          laughing
      3. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 17 January 2016 14: 23
        +8
        There is a comic quatrain about this; options are possible.

        From the island to the rod
        scare the whole enemy fleet,
        Rumbling diesels,
        an atomic ship came out!

        It’s not an atomic ship, but diesel engines are working to the full.

        As a joke: in order not to stomp, the crew will walk in felt slippers, plastic dishes so that spoons and forks do not knock on plates, glasses too, so that there is no ringing when clinking glasses ... In general, a good and trouble-free service to the crew. The sea was always somehow calmer, without twitching and coastal problems.
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      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 January 2016 12: 45
        12
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        No, they threw raw coal into the furnace. Every handshake person knows that their shells have rusty submarines - on steam! laughing

        Laughter, laughter, but the air-independent engines for the submarine are not yet in use with us. And the competition, yes. This is not good, it is necessary to correct this tactical flaw.
        1. dauria
          dauria 17 January 2016 13: 00
          +2
          but non-volatile engines for submarines are not yet in use


          Americans don't have them either ... smile Not sure why? Why build a crossbow if you have a bow and arrow and a Kalashnikov assault rifle? We are tired of this Stirling, although even its expediency for countries with nuclear installations is a huge question. The goof, who blurted out about "the energy of the Second World War" as an example, did not find Ustinov on him.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 17 January 2016 13: 12
            +8
            Quote: dauria
            Americans do not have them either.

            For that is the Germans, Swedes and Japanese and other "members" of the alliance. And this is one hell of a NATO. So count the Americans too, plus a bunch of Virginia and Ohio nuclear submarines, of which in total there are more than ours.
            Quote: dauria
            Do not know why?

            I know. To tell?
            By the fact that amerikoses are developing a compact atomic engine of a single cycle with a submarine. That is, they once charged, and it drives 24 years before decommissioning without reloading fuel. Want to say science fiction? Tell the Germans that Stirling's non-volatile engine is fantastic. They will laugh at you with pleasure. You can’t be so short-sighted, my friend!
            And ours meanwhile stirred: http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/perspektivnye_razrabotki/obrazets_anaerobnoy_ustano

            vki_dlya_podlodok_uzhe_rabotaet /
            "The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, told reporters in August that in 2017 Russia is starting to build a new generation of non-nuclear submarines with an anaerobic installation."
            1. dauria
              dauria 17 January 2016 16: 39
              +6
              For that, the Germans, Swedes and Japanese and other "members" of the alliance


              You can't have your own nuclear ones. Or for sale to countries that cannot sell nuclear power (restrictions, you know) It's like a "pocket" German battleship, an ugly product of treaties.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 17 January 2016 13: 14
            +3
            Quote: dauria
            Do not know why?

            They have no neighbors to be wary of. But it’s more difficult for us.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 17 January 2016 15: 13
              +3
              Quote: Dart2027
              They have no neighbors to be wary of.

              ?? .. teach geography .... Alaska (USA) borders with us (Russia) through all that, the straits of strands ..... you know the width ???
              1. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 17 January 2016 16: 36
                +6
                And what depths are there in the Bering Strait? And how much time is he icebound? The maximum depth is less than 90 meters, the average is from 30 to 50 meters. There were transitions from the nuclear submarines with the SF, they barely made their way, cutting themselves. So there is nothing special to do on a permanent basis for boats, especially diesel ones.
        2. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 17 January 2016 13: 05
          +4
          I don’t understand why everyone came up against anaerobic plants?
          Why did you forget about the installation of VAU-6 (Dollezhal's egg)? Charge Akki under water for quiet, autonomy will be limited only by the availability of food on board.
        3. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 17 January 2016 13: 20
          +6
          Quote: GSH-18
          Laughter, laughter, but the air-independent engines for the submarine are not yet in use with us. And competitors already

          No non-volatile t h to
          The only currently operational, non-volatile power plant is a nuclear reactor. In all other cases, we are talking about increasing autonomy compared to the classic diesel-electric circuit and nothing more. Such are the quirks of PR wink
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 17 January 2016 14: 54
            +2
            And what am I talking about))) The pilot installation of the VAU-6, in my opinion, is still in Sosnovy Bor. And the order 512 has been safely cut according to the Nunn-Lugard program (((.
            One thing I can say was that replacing the reactor ship took only 1 month, and the spent boiler had to go to recharge and wait for its time before installing it on a new order. It was a good idea, but somehow everything went wrong .... And project 651E, I like it.
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      3. ava09
        ava09 17 January 2016 15: 01
        +8
        Damn, the word gee automatically changed to bugger. Cool, I will not fix it smile [/ quote]
        This is nothing, I have a cry "Hey, Slavs!" changed to "Bugger, Slavs!" So, it's not "cool" at all! This already sounds more like outright stupidity or attempts to manipulate.
    3. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 17 January 2016 12: 43
      +1
      No diesel fuel is poorly flooded.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 17 January 2016 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        No diesel fuel is poorly flooded.

        Maybe he just launched a diesel engine, I can’t understand the picture.
        1. jjj
          jjj 17 January 2016 13: 21
          +7
          It can be seen that they are walking in the cold on a newly launched diesel engine. Therefore, white smoke. If the smoke were black - the fuel system and compression rings. Bluish-bluish haze - oil scraper rings
    4. Panabebis
      Panabebis 17 January 2016 12: 44
      +9
      In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

      Yes it's a smoke break before diving laughing
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 17 January 2016 12: 45
        +2
        By the way, most likely the closest to the truth.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 17 January 2016 13: 37
          +4
          Quote: Smoked
          By the way, most likely the closest to the truth.

          Closest to the truth - the submarine’s personnel have a bathing day! smile
    5. vlad66
      vlad66 17 January 2016 12: 44
      +9
      According to him, “today two more non-nuclear submarines of Project 677 are being prepared for the transfer of the Russian Navy at the same time - these are Velikiye Luki and Kronstadt.

      We are waiting. good
    6. svp67
      svp67 17 January 2016 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: Smoked
      In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

      No, while on the surface they try to smoke faster ...
    7. pts-m
      pts-m 17 January 2016 12: 48
      +1
      Yes, no. It looks like a team of designers and factory representatives smoke in the wheelhouse, from excitement.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 17 January 2016 13: 16
        0
        And no one refuses ANEU, the task is set and she will done!

        An air-independent power plant will be created for submarines in the Russian Federation
        16.01.2016 20: 43: 58
        Moscow. January 16th. INTERFAX-AVN - An air-independent power unit for submarines of the Russian Navy will be created by 2021-2022, said the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Defense Ministry, captain of the first rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov.
        “An air-independent unit will be created in the near future. Recently, Rubin Central Design Bureau carried out such work to create this complex. that this is 2021-2022, "V. Tryapichnikov said on the air of the RSN radio station.
        According to him, the installation will surpass foreign-made complexes. "There is even a certain amount of attention to the further purchase of this complex," V. Tryapichnikov noted http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=400439
        Soon only a fairy tale affects.
    8. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 17 January 2016 13: 22
      0
      It looks like there are only humanities around, even caperangs. An order of magnitude in Russian means "10 (ten) times", or in acoustic units, by 20 dBA. Although it is possible that the humanities from the Navy use a binary number system, then indeed, the order would mean 2 (two) times.
    9. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2016 13: 34
      +2
      "It is planned that in 2015 the first VNEU will be installed on the Project 677 Lada submarine, RIA Novosti reports."
      http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/perspektivnye_razrabotki/obrazets_anaerobnoy_ustano
      vki_dlya_podlodok_uzhe_rabotaet /
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 January 2016 14: 11
        +3
        The fact that the frets of the MoD is not too pretty shows that for the Pacific Fleet it was decided to build Warsaw, and not frets. But they were originally planned. request So there are statements in the media, but there is reality. The reality is that we will build Warsaw, and not frets in the near future. Conclusion - the fret is still a crude project not brought to the state that I need. Apparently, the work on finalizing the project is underway, and the extension of the trial operation of the head mode suggests this.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          that for the Pacific Fleet it was decided to build a Warsaw

          The Black Sea was provided with almost diesel submarines; now they are thinking about the Pacific Fleet. What about the Northern and Baltic fleets?
    10. Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Great-grandfather of Zeus 17 January 2016 14: 03
      0
      Smoker is a shaman shamans engage in-cast out demonic entities !!!
    11. Juborg
      Juborg 17 January 2016 14: 30
      -5
      Not one billion were threatened to this project, but the results are deplorable. The project failed initially, because it was not even possible, in principle, to come closer to the plan, and not only because of underfunding, but because of the lack of elemental base. Of the planned 20 boats, 3 will be lame. Disastrously. They are already silent about the anaerobic plant. The idea is good, the result is deplorable.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 January 2016 14: 56
        +9
        And they are not silent about the anaerobic installation - it is being developed and in any case 3 boats are already a series. A significant increase in automation can be used in future projects, etc. But the real Navy is debugged in production and cheap Warsaw. And with less than 2 years of access to the construction period for Warsaw, the question arises as to whether it is worthwhile to modernize the Halibut or is it easier and cheaper to change them for new submarines. Krasnodar was built in a year and a half, and the modernization of the Vladikavkaz duel took 4 years. In my opinion, there is a need to build a lot of relatively cheap Varshavyanka to replace halibuts and increase the total number of submarines in the fleets. The Black Sea Fleet receives its DEP, the Pacific Fleet is planning, I think the BF will also receive it. But for the SF, you can wait for more advanced submarines such as Kalina or fine-tuning Lad to an acceptable result. hi In my opinion, a full six Warsaw women will not interfere in the Baltic, which will greatly increase its strength and ability to block the Danish straits, and for the Pacific Fleet they need 12 pieces. It is quite inexpensive, but quite effective, as I believe. We won’t be able to build 40 destroyers for parity with the Japanese fleet, but it’s quite possible to build the defense of our islands and coasts on the basis of deplets, patrol guards 20380, MRK 22800 and coastal forces.
      2. Lebedev Sergey
        Lebedev Sergey 17 January 2016 15: 19
        +3
        16.01.2016, 20: 58
        Several countries have expressed interest in purchasing Russian anaerobic power plants for submarines. This was announced by the head of the Shipbuilding Directorate of the Russian Navy, Captain I rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov.
        “I can say that there is the attention of some countries on the purchase of this complex,” RIA Novosti quotes Tryapichnikova as saying.
        The first tests of an air-independent power plant showed that it would not be inferior to foreign analogues in its characteristics, the captain said. Thanks to such installations, the submarines can be under water for two or three weeks without surfacing to recharge the batteries.

        Original news RT in Russian:
        https://russian.rt.com/article/142387
      3. Juborg
        Juborg 19 January 2016 21: 42
        0
        Gave cons, and the project is closed. And who are you minus teeth? Apparently just teapots. READ MORE AND SLEEP TIGHTEN, MAY UNDERSTANDING WILL COME IN YOUR HEADS.
    12. Hydrograph
      Hydrograph 17 January 2016 15: 02
      0
      Under the diesel goes.
    13. Pajamas
      Pajamas 17 January 2016 18: 14
      0
      Quote: Smoked
      In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

      Cook))
    14. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 18 January 2016 08: 19
      0
      What is the veil? The bathhouse was flooded. smile
  2. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 17 January 2016 12: 42
    +4
    Good news! Strengthening the Fleet pleases. True, in general, not too large ships are being built, but I hope that our Fleet has a future and, as in Soviet times, it will again become "oceanic and very powerful"!
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 January 2016 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: Aandrewsir
      Good news! Strengthening the Fleet pleases.

      Yes Yes. Low noise is great. But there is much more that the boat gives out, and how successfully is the struggle with these factors?
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 17 January 2016 12: 49
      +1
      When will VNEU be finally brought for boats of this type? And the rest of the boats are needed and needed on all fleets.
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 17 January 2016 13: 04
        +1
        Now, they don’t write the most important thing.
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 17 January 2016 13: 14
          +1
          Why don't they write? Already written! good
          m.ria.ru/defense_safety/20160116/1360693684.html
          "A number of countries have expressed interest in purchasing anaerobic power plants from the Russian Federation"
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      3. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 17 January 2016 13: 26
        -1
        Quote: Amurets
        When will VNEU be finally brought for boats of this type? And the rest of the boats are needed and needed on all fleets.



        With these boats, a plug on anaerobic power plants has really come out now. The dates for the adoption of boats are relocated for several years. While we can not make analogues of German and Swedish installations. The lag in this technology is about 10 years.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 17 January 2016 18: 48
          +4
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          While we can not make analogues of German and Swedish installations.
          Well, you really think so bad about our bright heads !!!
          Before the war, the NKVD Design Bureau developed a technical project "95" for an experimental small high-speed submarine with an engine operating in a closed cycle. This type of power plant was named ED-KhPI (a single engine with a lime chemical absorbent). According to this project, the submarine M-401 (later S-92) was built, which was successfully tested in the Caspian.
          In the 80s, the S-273 submarine (project 613) was converted according to Katran project 613E. Her EU included the electrochemical generator "EHG-280". In 1991, in full, work on EC with ECG was completed for the small submarine Piranha (cipher EC Crystal-20 with a capacity of 130 kW). SPMBM “Malachite” in the 90s did projects of small submarines with VNEU on the basis of “Piranha”.
          But all of them did not meet the requirements of VPB and required laboratory accuracy in the assembly and operation of VNEU working on cryogenic hydrogen.
          And when developing VNEU, everyone went his own way.
          The basis of the German installation was an electrochemical generator and intermetallic storage of hydrogen. The Swedes took the path of creating a plant based on the Stirling engine. And the French created their own MESMA unit based on a closed-loop turbine operation using ethanol and liquid oxygen.
          "Analyzing the state of work on this topic, we made the following conclusion: VNEU should not only ensure the long-term presence of the boat in a submerged position, but at the same time maintain secrecy and be sufficiently safe."
          The German version is unsafe, if only because it is based on the storage of hydrogen on board the boat, which is very fire and explosive. The path taken by the French and Swedes also has a disadvantage. "The installation contains mechanical parts, which are an additional source of noise. But the submarine must, first of all, be secretive."
          As a result, Rubin chose an electrochemical generator as its direction of motion, into which hydrogen is supplied as needed from diesel fuel (alcohol) reforming.
          "In this case, there are no moving parts, which is good in terms of stealth. Unlike the German version, we avoid storing hydrogen on board, because it requires coastal infrastructure and complex systems on the ship."
          By the way, because of the high cost of coastal infrastructure, the Germans refused to continue working with such VNEU.
          We are competing with amers in the direction of "hydrogen from diesel fuel reforming". And while we are ahead of them.
          On October 29, 2012, the experimental submarine "Sarov" went to sea to test an experimental hydrogen engine. Such engines are planned to be installed on the Project 677 Lada submarine and its export version Amur-1650. But they did not reach the design capacity. Again bench revision, then a message that VNEU passed the test, and it was decided to launch Kalina into the series
          Something like this. hi
          1. Mister22408
            Mister22408 19 January 2016 15: 32
            0
            Our 613 was converted to hydrogen at one time. The boat bore the affectionate name "Lighter". Corresponded ... Cut in Kronstadt.
      4. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 17 January 2016 19: 35
        +1
        When will VNEU be finally brought for boats of this type? And the rest of the boats are needed and needed on all fleets.


        Specifically, for this project, most likely never. And in order for VNEU to appear on the 677, they will need to be built from 20's and beyond, that is, it makes no sense, since in about 10 years the NNPL 5 project will be ready generation, and approximately in the middle of the next decade of their construction should unfold.

        And the problems there are far from being due only to the lack of VNEU. The ship left the curve in itself unfortunately ...

        In general, de facto 4-th generation of NAPL our country safely proo unfortunately ...
        Flip through the wiki about the same Lada, admire at least what is written there, especially the timing of the construction of "serial ships", not to mention more serious and fundamental information.


        And at the expense of the noise, there is even a joke about her - "she's at the pier almost all the time, why make noise while standing at the pier?"
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2016 12: 53
      0
      Quote: Aandrewsir
      However, basically, not too large vessels are being built,

      Ha! Under Khrushchev, in general, there were only boats, and light destroyers sculpted. By the principle, we will give the country coal, even small, but to a phallic object! lol As a result, we got a coast guard boat fleet. In the sense, he could walk only under the protection of coastal aviation and ground-based missile systems.
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 12: 46
    +1
    She would have to increase the autonomy of swimming to 80 days as in the German type 214.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 17 January 2016 12: 55
      +1
      The Germans have excellent submarines. But it did not bring them happiness.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        The Germans have excellent submarines. But it did not bring them happiness.

        It brought a lot of money. They sold Type-212/214 submarines: Greece, Italy, Israel (Dolphin-class submarines were built on the basis of Type-212), South Korea, Portugal, and Turkey also signed a contract for 6 Type-214 submarines. Pakistan also plans to order submarines.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 13: 13
        0
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Germans

        By the way, regarding the Germans and the construction of submarines in Israel, I read a curious fact on Wikipedia:
        "The first two submarines were transferred from Germany to Israel free of charge as a return of the historical debt for the Holocaust"
  4. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 17 January 2016 12: 48
    +3
    Need a non-volatile engine.
  5. The black
    The black 17 January 2016 12: 49
    +1
    And there will be happiness to the American fleet ... Pipits crept up not noticeably ......

    laughing
  6. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 17 January 2016 12: 50
    +4
    There is also news that the Pacific Fleet will receive six new Warsaw women. This was stated by Tryapichnikov.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 12: 53
      0
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      It’s also news that the Pacific Fleet will receive six new Warsaw women. This was stated by Tryapichnikov.

      That is, ordered additional Varshavyanka? The good news is when you consider that the second and third submarine Lada will be ready only in 2019.
      http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2591357
      1. kostya-petrov
        kostya-petrov 17 January 2016 12: 56
        0
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        That is, ordered additional Varshavyanka?

        Yes, as I understand it, Tryapichnikov said that the laying and construction of new Varshavyanka will take place in the very near future.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 17 January 2016 16: 31
          +1
          Yes, as I understand it, Tryapichnikov said that the laying and construction of new Varshavyanka will take place in the very near future.

          I understand that Obeshchalkin (which is considered the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy) bitten and infected everyone? Pancake! After all, they promised that Varshavyanka 636th project will not be ordered anymore - only Lada 677th! They even talked about plans to build a series of such submarines of 6 units at the Amur Shipbuilding! angry
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 17 January 2016 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      There is also news that the Pacific Fleet will receive six new Warsaw women. This was stated by Tryapichnikov.

      And in the photo "Novorossiysk" in Sevastopol ...
  7. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 17 January 2016 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Smoked
    In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

    Smoked mackerel.
    it will be a serious submarine, which will have an order of magnitude lower noise than the submarines of the 636 project "Varshavyanka" have now. "

    Thank God, everyone thought that was an order of magnitude higher.
    The keyword will be.
    I know - the city will be, I know - the garden is a flower,
    When there are such people in the country in Russian!
  8. gergi
    gergi 17 January 2016 13: 00
    0
    Well, fine. Can anaerobic wait soon?
  9. askort154
    askort154 17 January 2016 13: 07
    +2
    I appeal to the knowledgeable. Always, looking at the submarine, the question arises why a submarine (any) with such a streamlined shape needs a "braking", huge superstructure. Such a need for them in the 20th century is quite understandable. But now, in the age of video and electronic technology, what function cannot be provided without this huge add-on? I would be grateful for a professional answer.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 17 January 2016 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      I appeal to the knowledgeable. Always, looking at the submarine, the question arises why a submarine (any) with such a streamlined shape needs a "braking", huge superstructure. Such a need for them in the 20th century is quite understandable. But now, in the age of video and electronic technology, what function cannot be provided without this huge add-on? I would be grateful for a professional answer.

      The add-in is needed for retractable devices. Remove the periscope!
  10. serkhan
    serkhan 17 January 2016 13: 24
    0
    Wait a minute! Wait a minute! How so! Americans don’t know how to look for Varshavyanka, and then this one .. And there’s a headache in the name now ... Double black hole chtoli? belay
    lol
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 17 January 2016 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: serkhan
      Wait a minute! Wait a minute! How so! Americans don’t know how to look for Varshavyanka, and then this one .. And there’s a headache in the name now ... Double black hole chtoli?

      The Belgians spotted Varshavyanka during the inter-naval transition and boast of it, although it seems that the submarine was not on combat patrol, but carried out the transition in the surface position.
      https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2016-01-15/Le-Vif-Belgiya-zasekla-russkuyu
  11. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 17 January 2016 13: 42
    -2
    These boats will be under the color of local water and sail (walk) with the flow
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 January 2016 13: 45
    +4
    The hegemon has no diesel submarines at all. With new batteries and modern automation, boats such as "Varshavyanka" and "Lada" in combat conditions become autonomous up to 3-4 months launching "Caliber" from torpedo tubes - makes such boats "ministries".
    This is Russia's asymmetric response. Small missile ships, covering the whole of Europe and the Middle East with their weapons, and diesel submarines, capable not only of "bite" if necessary, the umbilical cord of NATO supplies across the Atlantic, but also suddenly "cover" with "Calibers" half of the hegemony. The growing number of goals, which are really dangerous, diffuses attention, strength, and does not contribute to restful sleep.
  13. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 January 2016 13: 52
    +2
    Varshavyanka, "as it is called all over the world," according to our journalists, is a black hole that no one sees or hears. Lada is ten times larger than Varshavyanka, the question is, how, in the opinion of our journalists, will it be called "all over the world", Super-duper black hole, Black hole, Mega cool black hole? The second question is how will it be detected and conditionally destroyed by our anti-submarine ships during exercises? It turns out that the surface sailors will now always lose, not complete the task, for many it will cost a career out of the blue. And if our 20-year-old PLOs detect them, then who is deceiving whom and why? The third question, if the boat is so good, why has it been in trial operation for three years and the term has been extended. How many more years are needed for "experiments" and why for the Pacific Ocean, after all these experiments, did they decide to build six "Varshavyanka"?
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 19 January 2016 16: 57
      0
      There is only one answer to all your questions - HOW TO DO IT, but you learned how to cut loot and compost brains for both the authorities and the population. And the submarine’s noiselessness is now practically small, which solves the difficulty of using the modern means that the Atlantic is currently stuffing to pinpoint a boat, as far as the Pacific Ocean, you can still probably go somewhere freely ... Now in the submarine fleet there is a prospect of going to DEPTH (thousand 6-7 meters), then you can not be afraid that they will get it. Well, the speed of nodes 50-60 gives the same some guarantees, and low noise is the second or even third value.
  14. tinibar
    tinibar 17 January 2016 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: Smoked
    In the photo, puts a smoke screen right?

    Yes, no, the gasket burned out ... laughing But actually the boats will be part of the fleet with a delay, not earlier than 2019. And even without the air independence ... Sadly, brothers ...
    1. askort154
      askort154 17 January 2016 14: 22
      +1
      tinibar ..... Sadly, brothers ...

      Drive longing, brother ... drive!
      This is no longer melancholy; real melancholy was from 1991 to 2000.
  15. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 17 January 2016 15: 05
    +3
    Quote: Proxima
    Quietly, yes - this is a breakthrough. If we take it on faith that the type "Lada" surpasses the type "Varshavyanka" in noiselessness 10 times. But "Varshavyanka" is also too early to "age". In many respects, it is not inferior to the project 677 "Lada". And let's say, at maximum speed on the surface, the Varshavyanka is superior. Lada's speed is 10 knots, while Varshavyanka's is 17!

    The boat is underwater like, and surface speed ?, especially maximum?
  16. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 17 January 2016 15: 25
    +2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The hegemon has no diesel submarines at all. With new batteries and modern automation, boats such as "Varshavyanka" and "Lada" in combat conditions become autonomous up to 3-4 months launching "Caliber" from torpedo tubes - makes such boats "ministries".
    This is Russia's asymmetric response. Small missile ships, covering the whole of Europe and the Middle East with their weapons, and diesel submarines, capable not only of "bite" if necessary, the umbilical cord of NATO supplies across the Atlantic, but also suddenly "cover" with "Calibers" half of the hegemony. The growing number of goals, which are really dangerous, diffuses attention, strength, and does not contribute to restful sleep.

    Autonomy of 45 days, and surfacing to recharge the batteries? But the "umbilical cord of supply" is strongly said (did not think how to get there in real conditions of countering ASW, to complete the task and return?)
  17. Valdis
    Valdis 17 January 2016 16: 37
    0
    No need to call Lada))))) bad omen))))
  18. clidon
    clidon 17 January 2016 18: 34
    0
    Quote: VP
    The first boat is already there, therefore, about noiseless etl is no longer an assumption

    And if he would make a noise like a cow, what would they say in the programs on TV?
    1. VP
      VP 17 January 2016 19: 51
      +1
      Ask the TV. Or ask you to allow yourself to take noise measurements.
      Your pretentious grief was that "they did nothing, current on TV"
      My answer was just that - the boat passed the tests and, therefore, according to the logic, the values ​​of the parameter you are interested in are no longer calculated but obtained from the test results.
      It is possible the developers promised more, I will not say anything about it.
  19. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 17 January 2016 19: 09
    +1
    Lada could not (yet, could not ...) surpass the adversary in the automotive industry, it is necessary to do this in the construction of submarines !!! And there, you look, and motorists will catch up ... good
  20. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 17 January 2016 19: 23
    0
    Lada is like Lada Stoli?
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 17 January 2016 20: 39
      -1
      As you call a ship, it will sail.
  21. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 17 January 2016 22: 04
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    and she drives 24 years before decommissioning without recharging fuel

    This is only a theory, practice shows very different results.
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  22. Scot
    Scot 18 January 2016 20: 29
    +1
    Something too long diesel-electric submarine "St. Petersburg" is included in the Navy! Can't sign the acceptance certificate?
    B-585 "St. Petersburg"
    Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    B-585 "St. Petersburg"
    25.07.2010/28/2004 year. Navy Day in St. Petersburg. Launching October XNUMX, XNUMX
    Current status in trial operation
    Ship Type Multipurpose DPL
    Designation of the project 677 "Lada"
    Speed ​​(surface) 10 knots [1]
    Speed ​​(underwater) 21 knots [1]
    Ultimate immersion depth 300 m [1]
    Autonomy of swimming for 45 days [1]
    Crew 35 people [1]
    Surface displacement of 1765 t [1]
    The greatest length (on design waterline) 67 m [1]
    The width of the body naib. 7,1 m [1]
    Power point
    Diesel-electric with full electric movement.
    2 diesel generators of 1250 kW each, an all-mode electric motor of 4050 - 5500 hp, two reserve electric motors of 102 hp, one low-noise propeller, 2 batteries of 120 cells each
    weaponry
    Torpedo-mine armament 6 bow TA 533 mm caliber, 18 torpedoes [1]
    Air Defense Provided [2]
    The boat was laid down on December 26, 1997 [2], building number 01570 [3], lowered from the slipways on October 28, 2004 [4]. In December 2005, the first stage of sea trials was completed, but the further schedule was shifted due to subcontractors. [5] Adoption was planned in 2006 [2], but was later postponed to December 2007, and then to May 2010. [1] [6] In March 2009, the boat passed the stage of factory sea trials, on which it rolled around implemented fundamentally new solutions in matters of electric propulsion, detection tools and weapons.
    As part of these tests, the Admiralty Shipyards shipyard and the Rubin Central Design Bureau worked hard to eliminate the comments. The work was supervised by the Navy Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vysotsky [1].
    On October 10, 2009, the submarine left the Neva harbor and headed to the special testing area area of ​​the Baltic Sea for the final stage of testing. [5]
    On April 22, 2010, an act was signed on the acceptance of the B-585 “St. Petersburg” into trial operation by the fleet [7]. St. Andrew's flag on the submarine was raised on May 8, 2010. The boat was taken into test operation by the Navy with an unfinished GED (develops 60% of capacity) and flaws in other systems. According to the Director General of the GKB Rubin A. A. Dyachkov, the B-585 St. Petersburg will be in trial operation as part of the Russian Navy at least until the end of 2011. During this time, attempts will be made to bring the submarine system to the desired performance [8].
    The main disadvantages of the project were named: [9]
    an unfinished engine, which was unable to develop more than half of the projected capacity, an unprepared sonar system for the boat, the development of which was spent 1,3 billion rubles, the combat information and control system "Lithium",
    torpedoes "TE-2".
    In November 2011, the General Staff of the Navy announced the closure of the test program of the Lada project. [9] According to the final decision, the St. Petersburg fleet will not be accepted into the combat fleet [9] The submarine will remain a prototype on which individual complexes will be tested [9]. Later, the commander in chief specified [10]:
    “I expressed myself sharply in relation to the first ship Saint Petersburg, and not about the Lada project as a whole,” Vysotsky said.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 19 January 2016 16: 48
      0
      It must be admitted that the capitalist method of producing weapons makes them (weapons) expensive and ineffective in principle, and if the mess of theft and incompetence is superimposed on all this, it turns out that now it turns out ... Namely, almost nothing happens ...
  23. Scot
    Scot 18 January 2016 20: 36
    +1
    I have already had three grandchildren, and the boat is already twenty years later as in trial operation. Maybe it's time to go to the Persian Gulf for experiments! But it will be hot there soon soon !!? And then in five years already it will be necessary to write off!
  24. Scot
    Scot 18 January 2016 20: 36
    0
    I have already had three grandchildren, and the boat is already twenty years later as in trial operation. Maybe it's time to go to the Persian Gulf for experiments! But it will be hot there soon soon !!? And then in five years already it will be necessary to write off!
  25. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 19 January 2016 13: 44
    0
    Diesel-electric submarines of Project 677 Lada will no longer be built, funding will be directed to the Kalina project (advanced Lada), a senior representative of the Russian Navy command said.
    The project is closed hi