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How to deal with younger alcoholism?

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It became known that officials of the Ministry of Education and Science prepared a new project. The project aims to reduce the percentage of representatives of Russian youth who consume alcohol. The initiative, at first glance, is sound, although it was late for “dtsat” years, however, with regard to the “late initiative”, it can still be said that it is better late than never. The only method of implementing such a project, which (the method) was announced by the press service of the main educational and scientific department of the country, looks somewhat strange.


According to the press service of the Ministry of Education and Science, the elimination of addiction to alcohol-containing beverages will begin with advanced training and retraining of teachers ... Reportedly, under the auspices of the ministry there will be (it’s worth emphasizing what it WILL BE) that special programs have been created that are designed to tell the teacher about how he should prevent the alcoholization of the younger generation. Initially, the programs will again be worked out in the educational institutions of professional orientation (colleges, technical schools, universities).

That is, the educational and scientific department, which is directly related to the verification of the level of professionalism of the modern teaching staff, as if declares that it is precisely in the qualification level of teachers that one of the components of child and adolescent alcoholism and its germs is hidden. It turns out that the level of training that teachers receive in the course of training in specialized universities and in the course of their further work is not enough to explain to a representative of modern youth that drinking alcohol from a school bench is irreparably harmful to health, apparently, officials of the Ministry of Education and Science believe so.

Somewhat doubtful message, especially if you consider that any adequate teacher, one who got into the education system not by chance, without any instructions from above, at least as part of extracurricular work with students, carries out a large amount of this very work on the prevention of youth alcoholism . Class hours, seminars, trainings devoted to the subject of a healthy lifestyle and the prevention of bad habits (including prevention of alcohol use) by teachers are conducted from elementary school. And in most cases, this is by no means a “tick-off” event, but rather an informative form of work that attracts the attention of the students.

But the Ministry of Education and Science, apparently, has its own point of view on this matter. "The Party" said: retraining, the teacher replied: there is!

Attention is drawn to the fact that the new (still under development) program of the educational department is positioned as if it was an innovation of clean water, and as if the pedagogical community ignored the topic of alcoholization of the Russian youth until now, and without taking any guidelines from above not in a position ... If the message of the Ministry of Education and Science is approximately the same, then I would like to clarify with the bureaucratic staff of this ministry how often its representatives actually attend schools and vocational training s institutions, and how often talk (well, just to be able to know the opinion) with real teachers, the range of which, as it happens, is not limited to a circle of the Third Ring Road in Russia? And I would also like to clarify whether the “new” retraining program for combating teen drunkenness with the invention of a bicycle would be possible, if only because there are already several very large projects in the country aimed at the same result.

One such project is "Sober Russia". The initiator of the project was a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation Dagestan public figure Sultan Khamzayev. Last year, he created a coordinating council to protect citizens of the country from drugs, alcohol and tobacco dependence at the Public Chamber of Russia, and the council pays special attention to the issue of countering the alcoholization of the younger generation.

How to deal with younger alcoholism?


The activities of the council were picked up by the Russian regions, where the initiative groups created their local cells, working according to programs developed with the involvement of teachers and medical specialists. The representatives of the project developed a multimedia lesson in sobriety, which was distributed to educational organizations. Over the course of several months, over 80 of thousands of Russian schoolchildren met him.



Now the statistics: about half a million people die each year from alcohol-related illnesses in Russia. About 67% teenagers between the ages of 14 and 18 use alcohol products. Alcoholism is getting younger! Up to 78% of Russian teenagers who consume alcohol are “brought up” in the so-called dysfunctional families. There is a directly proportional relationship between the volume and frequency of alcohol consumption by the teenager and his academic performance, not to mention his physical and mental health. According to statistics, 92% of senior schoolchildren who consume alcohol do not demonstrate the high quality of knowledge, moving into the category of “strained troechnics”. For obvious reasons, the further life of these young people is most often associated with antisocial manifestations, adherence to the criminal environment, disability and early mortality. 40% of deaths between the ages from 15 to 29 years is caused precisely by the use of alcohol.

And this is not only a social problem, it is also a problem of economics. If alcoholism pushes adolescents to asocial manifestations, leading to early disability, then this automatically entails an increase in government spending. This in turn leads to the fact that getting super-profits from a very liberal approach to selling alcohol to young people (the “18 +” law for the sale of alcohol seems to be adopted, but in fact it does not always work) in fact leads to huge government losses, because it is the state that, in the end, has to maintain a whole army of disabled people, whose representatives became such as a result of the early alcoholism and disregard for their own health. After all, I would like to hope that the state apparatus is not profitable, so that the mind of a citizen becomes clouded from a young age, including with the help of easily accessible alcohol ...

Proceeding from this, the Ministry of Education and Science does not need to work on the invention of the bicycle, but simply take the positive seeds of the earlier public projects and carry out a truly consolidated work without trying to drag the blanket over. After all, the goal is the same: to protect the Russian youth from alcoholism, which at the same time will become one of the links in solving the demographic problem, and the problem of increasing the responsibility of the population for their own health. But after all, one teacher retraining can hardly be avoided here ...
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 18 January 2016 06: 37
    47
    First you need to disperse by h *** howling mother the entire Ministry of Education and return the Soviet system of upbringing and education in school. And then we are led by a minobraz, a sectarian or a liberoid
    1. Glot
      Glot 18 January 2016 06: 59
      +8
      First you need to disperse by h *** howling mother the entire Ministry of Education and return the Soviet system of upbringing and education in school. And then we are led by a minobraz, a sectarian or a liberoid


      Alas, they also drank under the Union. In our class, some of them already around class from the 6th were seen in consumption, and in the 8th they were almost openly drinking in front of the school on the lawn.
      This is not evil from school education, it is parenting.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 18 January 2016 07: 16
        17
        But for some reason, this did not affect the quality of education.
        Maybe it's not the case with alcohol?
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 18 January 2016 13: 10
          +3
          A teetotal student, this is a chimera.
        2. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 18 January 2016 14: 39
          +4
          It's definitely not about alcohol. Who lived long enough, remember when the fight against alcohol began. Whenever things inside the state got worse from poor governance and different campaigns began to redirect people from criticizing stupid leaders. These current ones use the same methods at the helm (all former communists repainted as liberals). They will go to any noodles so that the people don’t ask why you brought the country to such a state (having sold everything and everything, are dependent on the West, there is no industry of their own, education makes people stupid like Siberian felt boots, sheer nepotism and theft, no responsibility and much more that everyone knows about.) Have we really been considered such animals chewing grass with which you can do what you want and not wait for the wrath of the people and God?
      2. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 18 January 2016 07: 20
        21
        You can fight the promotion of a healthy lifestyle at all levels.

        But! Subject to the provision of opportunities for a person to get a job, from which he receives satisfaction (respectively - salaries and opportunities to get training for the profession).

        A Russian person often drinks with grief ....
        1. Glot
          Glot 18 January 2016 09: 33
          +3
          You can fight the promotion of a healthy lifestyle at all levels.

          But! Subject to the provision of opportunities for a person to get a job, from which he receives satisfaction (respectively - salaries and opportunities to get training for the profession).


          And how is healthy lifestyle and work related?
          Work is just a way to make money and nothing more. Since without them, alas, nowhere.
          A healthy lifestyle is already for yourself.
          Do you want to be healthy, strong - be, regardless of work, profession, salary.
          However, this is the same as with drinking. Do you want to drink, drink too much. Do not want to - do not drink. smile


          A Russian person often drinks with grief ....


          Vodka, not a single grief has passed yet, and not a single problem has been solved.
          You can drink it, pour in grief and the problem with vodka, this is a sign of weakness, it means giving up and no more.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 18 January 2016 11: 09
            10
            Quote: Glot
            And how is healthy lifestyle and work related?

            direct connection.
            Even according to statistics., The more a person receives, the more he pays attention to health. Firstly, it affects the quality of alcohol, products, etc., secondly, it is easier to allocate a budget for a gym, pool, fitness club, etc.
            I am not saying that this is the truth that concerns everyone, it is statistics.

            And they always drank in Russia, but the question is what to drink !!!! Beer, from which the morning seems to be a nail in the head, or good quality wine of one's own production, even vodka or moonshine, is a completely different matter compared to the badagi sold in shops.
            1. Glot
              Glot 18 January 2016 12: 10
              +4
              direct connection.
              Even according to statistics., The more a person receives, the more he pays attention to health. Firstly, it affects the quality of alcohol, products, etc., secondly, it is easier to allocate a budget for a gym, pool, fitness club, etc.
              I am not saying that this is the truth that concerns everyone, it is statistics.


              Listen, statistics ... First, alcohol of any quality does not have a positive effect on health, and you can eat cheaply but correctly or expensively but badly. And secondly, the pool, fitness schmites and other crap. I go out into the yard to the horizontal bar, bars, etc., both in winter, and in summer, and in frost and heat. It would be a DESIRE. And it doesn’t cost anything. I'm not the only one there.

              And they always drank in Russia, but the question is what to drink !!!! Beer, from which the morning seems to be a nail in the head, or good quality wine of one's own production, even vodka or moonshine, is a completely different matter compared to the badagi sold in shops.


              Yes, they did.
              The question is rather NOT WHAT to drink, but HOW MUCH.
              Do you feel the difference?
              If you can't get to work without a bottle of beer, and at work, too, at the first opportunity you pour into yourself, and after work it is a "holy cause", especially on Friday, before horror. It doesn't matter whether you drink elite alcohol or chatter, you are drunk.
              That's the whole answer. laughing
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 18 January 2016 13: 14
                +6
                continuous extremes and only.
                You are certainly a great fellow (I say without sarcasm) that you go to the horizontal bar, etc., but then again I'm talking about the average person.
                When there is more ZP, when you eat better, then you start to think that in the complex let's say for sports, it is better to eat fruit in the mornings, and not to overeat in the evenings, you think about things like cholesterol, the number of calories and the right diet.


                Quote: Glot
                Firstly, alcohol of any quality does not have a positive effect on health

                I agree. But sometimes it’s useful to have a glass of red semisweet at dinner and relax morally after a hard week. And do not talk nonsense about the fact that you need to learn to relax in a different way.


                Quote: Glot
                The question is rather NOT WHAT to drink, but HOW MUCH.
                Do you feel the difference?

                all of these criteria make sense.
                I think a jaguar can will be much more harmful than a bottle of wine.


                Quote: Glot
                If you can’t get to work without a bottle of beer,

                these are already sick people.
                I believe that generally drinking on weekdays is chasing. only in the form of exceptions. on weekends you can allow within, but not in the trash.
                and again, regarding the connection of funds and sports: if, say, you bought a subscription and you have an appointment on Saturday, then you will go because you paid your hard-earned money. This is of course an excuse, but it works. laughing
                1. Glot
                  Glot 18 January 2016 14: 23
                  0
                  continuous extremes and only.
                  You are certainly a great fellow (I say without sarcasm) that you go to the horizontal bar, etc., but then again I'm talking about the average person.
                  When there is more ZP, when you eat better, then you start to think that in the complex let's say for sports, it is better to eat fruit in the mornings, and not to overeat in the evenings, you think about things like cholesterol, the number of calories and the right diet.


                  Why extremes?
                  People, of course, are different, and for various reasons they come to our sports camp, but I personally because I like it there more. Three times I tried to exchange it for gyms and, throwing it, returned again to the street. I'm used to it. )))
                  And what prevents you from monitoring what you eat for someone who earns a little? You can always find an acceptable set of useful products. Maybe there will be less of them, but eating a lot is harmful. smile
                  Although, on my own, if I eat what I want. Both harmful and harmless. You must be able to listen and hear yourself.

                  I agree. But sometimes it’s useful to have a glass of red semisweet at dinner and relax morally after a hard week. And do not talk nonsense about the fact that you need to learn to relax in a different way.


                  I agree, sometimes useful.
                  But then a counter question. And what, there are no other ways to relax except alcohol (albeit in small quantities)?

                  I think a jaguar can will be much more harmful than a bottle of wine.


                  Of course. Only if it is really good, real wine. But they should not be abused. smile

                  and again, regarding the connection of funds and sports: if, say, you bought a subscription and you have an appointment on Saturday, then you will go because you paid your hard-earned money. This is of course an excuse, but it works.


                  No, if the stimulus is just that ... then it is not very good. One should not go to sports not as a job, but as a duty or through force. Then only sense will be. And so, they are more likely to resemble and quit.
                  Although sometimes it happens that you go through force, and reluctance but it is NECESSARY. It happens. smile
                  1. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 18 January 2016 14: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Glot
                    Why extremes?

                    because you cite as an example the extremely small segment of people who go in the cold and rain on the horizontal bar / bars or those who drink beer in the morning before work. Unfortunately, the latter are an order of magnitude larger.

                    Quote: Glot
                    And what prevents you from monitoring what you eat for someone who earns a little?

                    those who earn little, sometimes have to deny themselves the necessary things like fruits, etc. And when there are still children / mortgage / wife on maternity leave, etc., then not ice at all. I'm not talking about the banal things that you need to put on a family, holidays, a car (sometimes a tough necessity than luxury).
                    Quote: Glot
                    And what, there are no other ways to relax except alcohol (albeit in small quantities)?

                    by itself is. But you really want to. If you live in a big city, it is banal to breathe in the street of air is more harmful than drink))).
                    It seems that you do not drink at all!

                    Quote: Glot
                    No, if the stimulus is just that ... then it is not very good. One should not go to sports not as to work, as to obligatory or through force

                    I, like you, also love the horizontal bar. In the spring, I’m in the autumn, in the winter I can’t allow it, because really cold + we have very nasty winters - damp. In winter I go to the pool. And if the horizontal bar does not cause a drop of laziness for me, then the bassic - it is straining. I’ve been doing it for more than a year, I have to force myself. but do not miss. Maybe of course this is not very good, but what can I do laughing
                    1. Glot
                      Glot 18 January 2016 15: 10
                      +1
                      because you cite as an example the extremely small segment of people who go in the cold and rain on the horizontal bar / bars or those who drink beer in the morning before work. Unfortunately, the latter are an order of magnitude larger.


                      No no, in the rain, this is already too much. I don't go to rain. laughing
                      And in the cold ... Ehh, how good.
                      I went to these NG holidays every day, only once I missed it. Beauty ! We have this town next to the forest, at the edge of the field. Fresh, air, and a view! Unless, of course, look at the forest, the field, and not at the "districts / quarters". laughing

                      those who earn little, sometimes have to deny themselves the necessary things like fruits, etc. And when there are still children / mortgage / wife on maternity leave, etc., then not ice at all. I'm not talking about the banal things that you need to put on a family, holidays, a car (sometimes a tough necessity than luxury).


                      No, well, it’s understandable if you’re somewhere in Moscow time. you live and earn twenty thousand ... you don’t really turn around anymore ... request

                      by itself is. But you really want to. If you live in a big city, it is banal to breathe in the street of air is more harmful than drink))).
                      It seems that you do not drink at all!


                      Almost no, I don’t drink.
                      Something like this, historically. laughing Although it happens at meetings with friends I drink, and it happened and ... it's scary to even remember. laughing We are all humans. laughing

                      I, like you, also love the horizontal bar. In the spring, I’m in the autumn, in the winter I can’t allow it, because really cold + we have very nasty winters - damp. In winter I go to the pool. And if the horizontal bar does not cause a drop of laziness for me, then the bassic - it is straining. I’ve been doing it for more than a year, I have to force myself. but do not miss. Maybe of course this is not very good, but what can I do


                      I have a pool in the yard. 200 p. visit. But somehow I didn’t get it. Although many praise and advise. Maybe I’ll go somewhere. smile
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          2. ava09
            ava09 18 January 2016 14: 13
            0
            (C) Work is just a way to make money and nothing more. Since without them, alas, nowhere.
            A healthy lifestyle is for myself. (C)
            D.u.r.a.c.a.m. even healthy lifestyle, it seems not an assistant.
            1. Glot
              Glot 18 January 2016 14: 27
              0
              D.u.r.a.c.a.m. even healthy lifestyle, it seems not an assistant.


              But why ? It is better to be healthy d.u.a.p.a.s. than unhealthy. laughing laughing laughing
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 18 January 2016 15: 31
                0
                Quote: Glot
                It is better to be healthy d.u.a.p.a.s. than unhealthy.

                Better yet, be healthy, smart, rich, handsome, etc. laughing
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        3. although
          although 18 January 2016 12: 32
          +3
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          You can fight the promotion of a healthy lifestyle at all levels.

          First of all, you need to tighten the punishment for the sale, and use where it is not according to the law.
          For example, we now have much less drunk, drinking and smoking youth on the streets, in the entrances. He came to St. Petersburg - in the summer, he was surprised that they quietly drink alcohol on the street, smoke, in Moscow the same story. It turns out that the capital adopts laws that are implemented only in the regions. With us, if the teaching staff picks up with a cigarette or beer at the bus stop, they will spend two hours munching in the department. Also implemented (not without exception) are time bans, restrictions on children's holidays, etc.
        4. Garris199
          Garris199 18 January 2016 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          A Russian person often drinks with grief ....

          Rather, there is nothing to do from it and at the same time does not want to do anything fundamentally.
      3. Darkness
        Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 39
        +2
        Moreover:
        Most of my classmates are now pretty decent family people. In addition to those who switched to alcohol from drugs.
      4. Wajra-3
        Wajra-3 18 January 2016 11: 19
        +6
        Quote: Glot
        Alas, they also drank under the Union. In our class, some of them already around class from the 6th were seen in consumption, and in the 8th they were almost openly drinking in front of the school on the lawn.
        This is not evil from school education, it is parenting.

        I don’t know when you finished school. I am in 1971. The school is surrounded by three factories. Many drank softly. Demonstratively never. Parenting allowed beer, and some not beer, to drink. School never.
        Alcohol for young people is precisely (!) Demonstrative (!) Drinking and being in public places while intoxicated. This is what we must fight first of all. School is not an assistant here. The authority of the school and teachers is personally so low that it’s not worth talking about. About rare exceptions, please do not want to talk. For these are specialists in the teaching of certain subjects of the school curriculum. The Institute of Pedagogues - class leaders has long been lost and is unlikely to be restored.
        A healthy lifestyle that everyone is talking about is the job of parents. School has nothing to do with it. If the family does not have a healthy lifestyle, the school will not do anything.
        1. your1970
          your1970 18 January 2016 12: 48
          +9
          Authority...
          If our mathematician Lyubov Ivanovna-8 / 2 would be immediately guessed at today's 3-klasniks, and 1 / 3 wouldn’t be guessed, then there would be nothing after chemistry request request
          As a result, I, a weak threesome, in algebra, yesterday I solved my son’s examples in algebra (after 30 with more than years belay )
          And today Lyubov Ivanovna would have been imprisoned right away because of cruelty towards poor children ... She would have put gadgets to them in famous places ...
          Ordnung would be in the classroom ....
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 18 January 2016 15: 34
            +3
            Quote: your1970
            And today Lyubov Ivanovna would have been imprisoned right away because of cruelty towards poor children ... She would have put gadgets to them in famous places ...
            Ordnung would be in the classroom ....

            Well yes! In the Russian Empire, flogged with rods in classes and nothing, how many scientific geniuses Russia has generated !!! And now do not dare to slap on the priest, they will condemn the naekh. No.
        2. Glot
          Glot 18 January 2016 13: 12
          0
          I don’t know when you finished school. I am in 1971. The school is surrounded by three factories. Many drank softly. Demonstratively never. Parenting allowed beer, and some not beer, to drink. School never.


          Well, they drank the same, albeit quietly. laughing
          And here, it is true, in the mid-80s and not in 1971, and the girls were already smoking on the school porch, though they were removing cigarettes if any of the teachers showed up, and the boys drank some wine near the school.
          So it goes ... laughing
          The truth about myself will say that I have not become addicted to smoking. I tried it once, having pulled a pack of "Java 100" off my dad, somewhere in the fourth grade, and vomited more of this nasty stuff in my mouth. laughing
          But alcohol ... The first was "Salute", something like champagne, at the prom and then. Well, and so, yes, like everything in general: Port bags, fortified, fruit and berry and something else in companies with friends. laughing Tea did not live in the desert, and not on the moon. laughing
          True, he was always in moderation and, in general, to alcohol, and I remain generally indifferent. In the company of friends, on Holiday - yes, a different glass, but that's all. smile
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      5. your1970
        your1970 18 January 2016 12: 39
        +2
        If young people have no prospects ahead, then at least a school for them, even a family of bottles on their heads, will not help .....
      6. Valiich
        Valiich 18 January 2016 21: 52
        +2
        Yes, it’s not the school that needs to look for methods of deliverance. You correctly said this in your upbringing. It’s necessary to take the children with sports for a start, with clubs for various hobbies, etc. There is no question about trips, no one will take responsibility for the children. And so everywhere and everywhere. But with what it is necessary to begin. Clubs are military-sports, patriotic, to attract the Afghan Warriors and just former soldiers of the USSR Armed Forces. And you don’t have to invent anything on the surface. Inspection programs of the verification norm, etc. etc. Everything new is good, old forgotten!
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 18 January 2016 08: 17
      12
      Quote: Putin
      First you need to disperse by h *** howling mother the entire Ministry of Education and return the Soviet system of upbringing and education in school. And then we are led by a minobraz, a sectarian or a liberoid


      I support 100 %%
      Another project "cut" from the "educators"
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 18 January 2016 08: 54
        +5
        For some reason, any country can restrict the rights and freedoms of its citizens, if it is confident that these restrictions will benefit society. Any, but not ours! We have a complete mess and permissiveness, and if you just hint about some kind of prohibitions, a howl immediately rises from the "human rights activists" - a violation of human rights! Violation of Democracy! And the fact that the country is mired in drug addiction, alcoholism (not only in general, but also in adolescence), corruption and theft is quite satisfactory for "independent human rights activists". Correct and, most importantly, working laws are needed. About education, prevention of alcoholism, etc. Until it's not too late.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 18 January 2016 11: 41
          +3
          Dembel77
          I agree with you, it all starts with the fact that corruption is rampant in the country, it is the main source of the disease of our society and the country, the rest is the consequences of this ailment. Remember Zhirinovsky’s proposal to equate corruption with treason? So our deputies did not accept such a proposal, but that says a lot. hi
          PS By the way, the "Black Hundreds" movement in Russia emerged just as a sobriety society. hi
          Part of the Black-Hundred movement arose from the popular movement for sobriety. The sobriety of the Black-Hundred organizations was never denied; moreover, some of the Black-Hundred cells were designed as sobriety, tea, and reading societies for the people.
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        3. Hon
          Hon 18 January 2016 12: 28
          0
          Quote: Dembel 77
          For some reason, any country can restrict the rights and freedoms of its citizens if it is sure that these restrictions will benefit society. Any, but not ours! We have a complete mess and permissiveness, and if you just hint about some kind of prohibitions, a howl immediately rises from the "human rights activists" - a violation of human rights! Violation of Democracy! And the fact that the country is mired in drug addiction, alcoholism (not only in general, but also in adolescence), corruption and theft is quite satisfactory for "independent human rights activists". Correct and, most importantly, working laws are needed. About education, prevention of alcoholism, etc. Until it's not too late.

          are you talking about what rights and freedoms are you talking about?
          which human rights activists were outraged about the restrictions on the sale of alcohol and tobacco and the prohibition of the sale to minors? or can it be allowed in our country?
    3. itr
      itr 18 January 2016 12: 53
      +2
      far-fetched article !!!!! considering how we thumped 90 no one drinks it right now
      my son, 16 years old, has never been caught with alcohol
      I started drinking right now 37 at the age of 15, I quit smoking in the 4th grade two years ago
    4. Valiich
      Valiich 18 January 2016 22: 02
      0
      Min the economist ruled his senses, such a misfortune that you shouldn’t touch. Drive them with a stick over the hump and over the forehead!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 18 January 2016 06: 38
    +5
    the natural consequences of "who follows Klin." we create the problem ourselves, we ourselves think how to solve it, we will not stay idle ...
    1. apro
      apro 18 January 2016 10: 31
      +2
      Do not raise children, educate yourself, children are your reflection. The natural consequences of the collapse of the Soviet system, where there was no propaganda for drunkenness.
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  3. Will
    Will 18 January 2016 06: 47
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    In Russian society, it is simply obliged by all means to introduce the idea - alcohol is EVIL. And it is necessary to accept this first of all for the adult population, which teaches young people by their example. When in Russian films all the “heroes” and “heroines” cannot do without “relieving” the “stress,” and booze has a “legal” right to be a “rest,” what can be explained to the teacher in sobriety lessons?
    1. Glot
      Glot 18 January 2016 07: 00
      +7
      When in Russian films all the “heroes” and “heroines” cannot do without “relieving” the “stress,” and booze has a “legal” right to be a “rest,” what can be explained to the teacher in sobriety lessons?


      Very true remark!
  4. Yak28
    Yak28 18 January 2016 06: 53
    12
    In the 90s, right up to the beginning of 2000, advertisements for alcohol were constantly broadcast on TV. Vodka, beer and other alcoholic drinks. At every kiosk, at almost every stop, you could buy vodka and then beer. Plus, there is no youth organization such as a pioneer, which from childhood was driving into the head what is good and what is bad. Further, disorder, material distress, a kind of life impasse can also provoke a young man to drink.
    In all of the above, the state is directly to blame, but for now, “Sober Russia” can only dream of us
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 18 January 2016 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: Yak28
      In all of the above, the state is directly to blame,

      Well, not in all, but in many reasons it is really the fault of the state. One reason is the inadequate punishment system for selling alcohol to minors. Large shops, of course, do not sin, but stalls and pavilions almost all sell alcohol to youngsters.
  5. sa-ag
    sa-ag 18 January 2016 06: 54
    +3
    social elevators needed motivation
  6. Massik
    Massik 18 January 2016 07: 00
    +2
    Well, of course, they drink everything just like that, with nothing to do. Especially the military ...
  7. ImPerts
    ImPerts 18 January 2016 07: 02
    +8
    Delirium
    According to the press service of the Ministry of Education and Science, the elimination of addiction to alcohol-containing beverages will begin with advanced training and retraining of teachers ... Reportedly, under the auspices of the ministry there will be (it’s worth emphasizing what it WILL BE) that special programs have been created that are designed to tell the teacher about how he should prevent the alcoholization of the younger generation. Initially, the programs will again be worked out in the educational institutions of professional orientation (colleges, technical schools, universities).

    Does it make them control the leisure of schoolchildren? Set a personal example?
    The percentage of non-smokers and non-drinkers is growing. This makes me happy. A lot of this in various advertising bans. Bans on the sale of alcohol at certain times. In this direction there is a result, measures work.
    Now it remains to return to the times of the USSR. Mass circles and sections. There is work in this direction, but everything is being done in a "liberal-democratic" way. New functions are hung on existing teachers.
    Save, damn it.
    New committees in the municipalities can be fruitful, new rates in schools, houses of creativity cannot be ...
    Take a look at some newly made committee on work with the population. which was created to improve the quality of work with the population, in all its senses. And there they look at you as the enemy of humanity. Like, we are working in the sweat here. and you are distracting.
    1. would
      would 18 January 2016 07: 09
      +3
      Mass circles and sections.


      You know, I just did grow up in a small Ural town where there were a lot of circles and sections. And the sports school with judo, hand-to-hand combat, karate and much more than that, and an art school, and a music school, and even aircraft modeling (I suspect that not all were listed). Everything listed there was still much later after the USSR and remains now. Only now they thumped, injected, and the city, according to those who remained there, is known primarily for dying drug addicts. Oh yes: A city closed behind a double thorn.
  8. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 January 2016 07: 02
    +7
    And what about putting a flag on the photo and going to thump? It’s a shame that we are all just ostentatious pograms — the state completely lacks a strategy and an idea for which young people can grab, which is why young people grab a glass or a can of beer.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 38
      +7
      Duc, the state is afraid of this. That young people will have an Idea.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 January 2016 09: 42
        -6
        The state just needs the youth to come up with useful and profitable ideas.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 18 January 2016 09: 53
          +5
          The state needs the youth to have ideas such as the state needs.
  9. would
    would 18 January 2016 07: 06
    +5
    As a separate element, this program, whatever it may be, can not lead to the necessary results. Teachers in a considerable number of schools are what is called "not respected" and in a number of schools in our country, even from the school bench of secondary school, pupils copy thieves' concepts and do not respect them, as it were, like thieves. Others do not consider teachers to be such an authority to prohibit something outside the walls of the school, which IMHO is often very, very logical. So they smoke at school, fight, and in general, the devil knows what they are doing.

    But absolutely such alcoholism is an absolute norm and, what is most terrible, is an entrenched norm in Russian society. If a feast, then necessarily with alcohol, if you have fun, then necessarily with alcohol, even certain traditions such as washing (including "stars") are associated with the use of alcohol. Just talk to the doctors who worked for the New Year and they will tell you in what condition most patients are accepted. Drinking is the norm, even "cultural drinking" invented the essence of which is that it would not swell up to the devil and do not bother anyone at home, you will not surprise anyone with drunkenness, alcohol is easily used as a stress reliever (which is madness in itself, alcohol is a depressant) and people who have experienced any difficult events can specially bring and pour. Have you ever seen someone who refuses to drink at a youth party? He looks like a black sheep at best and when he says "I don't drink" everyone stares at him. This is at best, and so they may deliberately try to make him drink, including imperceptibly adding vodka to his juice or replacing glasses. It's a party, you have to drink here.

    So it turns out that an adult who considers himself to have the right to drink, go into binges, and at the same time say that this is normal and he is not an alcoholic, but a drinker ... something is telling teenagers that they should not drink. Children, adolescents, young people are not so much a reflection of their parents as of the entire adult society, in some places this reflection takes completely different forms, but it comes from that very adult society. That is why teenagers often smoke and drink not because they like it but to "be an adult".

    As long as the alcoholic defect is not torn from Russian society, you can take various programs as much as you like. Their effectiveness will remain on paper. Speaking of

    And this is not only a social problem, it is also a problem of the economy.


    The author should be wondering what kind of labels are on alcohol bottles. This is an excise tax that goes to the state, that is, to the budget. As RIA wrote about Matvienko’s speech on this topic

    According to Matvienko, budget losses from illegal production are "catastrophic"." According to various estimates, they amount to from 200 to 270 billion rubles. We do not know what this money is spent on - maybe for financing terrorism or drugs, "the Federation Council speaker said.


    Draw conclusions.
    1. DREDD
      DREDD 18 January 2016 07: 23
      +1
      You are right about the teachers, because the majority of students stand in opposition to the teachers. They will not listen to them and will do the opposite. The problem must be solved by other methods.
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 18 January 2016 07: 13
    +5
    Quote: Putin
    First you need to disperse by h *** howling mother the entire Ministry of Education and return the Soviet system of upbringing and education in school. And then we are led by a minobraz, a sectarian or a liberoid

    With the current political and economic model of society, the Soviet model of education cannot be returned. The existing model in Russia contributes to alcohol abuse and drug addiction. The influence of the church on education is insignificant, there is no Soviet ideology, each motto is flourishing, steal, profit. The stratification is wild, it’s good that while the state keeps in check the aggression of youth. Fighting drunkenness, as the authors imagine, is almost useless. Effectively there may be a bit of public condemnation.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 18 January 2016 08: 37
      10
      Quote: valokordin
      The existing model in Russia contributes to alcohol abuse and drug addiction. The influence of the church on education is insignificant, there is no Soviet ideology, each motto is flourishing, steal, profit.


      For a stolen bag of potatoes, so as not to starve to death, a simple person will be closed for several. years old. And to steal compositions it is in the opinion of liberoids decently. Monuments put, museums ...
  11. Darkness
    Darkness 18 January 2016 07: 19
    +1
    A clip of Leningrad HLS, would be here in the subject.
    1. would
      would 18 January 2016 07: 25
      +3
      Well, sho, post a clip of this wonderful and highly intellectual group that sings for cultured people so that everyone gets acquainted with your opinion on the issue of not even health, but the survival of the nation and musical tastes laughing .
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 18 January 2016 07: 44
        0
        My opinion fully coincides with the refrain of this song.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 18 January 2016 15: 47
          0
          Quote: rait
          post a clip of this wonderful and highly intelligent group


          Punishable. No need to post.
  12. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 January 2016 07: 26
    +6
    The beginning of 90x, everyone thumped and everywhere. From little to big. At what they drank so that now it is already incomprehensible to the mind. Now talking about alcoholism, well, somehow not very. Compared to what it was, we are practically a sober nation.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 18 January 2016 07: 43
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The beginning of 90x, everyone thumped and everywhere. From little to big. At what they drank so that now it is already incomprehensible to the mind. Now talking about alcoholism, well, somehow not very. Compared to what it was, we are practically a sober nation.

      We drink and do not get drunk.
  13. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 18 January 2016 07: 43
    +8
    You watch all the Russian New Year films. One topic is how people get drunk and play tricks. It's kind of a lot of fun. And children and youth are looking at it.
  14. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 18 January 2016 07: 47
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The beginning of 90x, everyone thumped and everywhere. From little to big. At what they drank so that now it is already incomprehensible to the mind. Now talking about alcoholism, well, somehow not very. Compared to what it was, we are practically a sober nation.

    I agree. In general, today's youth, in comparison with our generation, drinks and smokes much less. Maybe the computer helps them with this?
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 January 2016 07: 47
    +1
    This issue is not resolved in bureaucratic offices by issuing directives and instructions, but "on the ground." First of all, instilling a healthy lifestyle on specific examples, involving young people in active sports and social life, etc. And this should begin by working with informal leaders of the class, school, technical school, to whom students listen and orient themselves.
  16. 31rus
    31rus 18 January 2016 07: 57
    +8
    Dear, but the youth, it knows? Not which programs do not work in youth policy are a complete failure, I know my friend’s wife is just involved in youth policy at the district level, so I heard that the main thing is to hold an event and report on this, all politics ends. And how to fight, Yes, everything has long been known and indicated in the comments, but without an ideological base all this is half measures
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 42
      +3
      Our ideology is prohibited by the Constitution.
  17. DREDD
    DREDD 18 January 2016 07: 59
    +4
    I believe that the most effective method of combating drunkenness is INFORMATION SUPPORT for a sober lifestyle in the media. It may affect the experienced to a lesser extent, but very much even for young people. It is necessary to CONSTANTLY broadcast social videos, condemn (many will forgive me) the use of alcohol, point out that drinking (even culturally) is an obscene occupation, cause a feeling of shame in the "culturally drinking" viewer. An information company of this kind will be very stretched out in time, but will undoubtedly have a strong impact on society. The main thing is to form a person's aversion to the behavioral pattern of alcohol consumption, to make the person perceive "cultural drinking" below his dignity. Maybe some will say that this is rude, but, excuse me, where do we go then?
    Z.Y. Prohibition is also a good method.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 January 2016 08: 08
      +6
      Quote: DREDD
      Z.Y. Prohibition is also a good method.

      Wherever he was introduced, he brought nothing but the minuses.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 34
        +7
        Well, dry law has always brought only advantages to someone. Usually in crispy pieces of paper)))
  18. Darkness
    Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 06
    -4
    Then an interesting thought came up:
    Peoples who consume alcohol are making great strides in everything that is absolutely sober.
    Russians have been drinking alcohol for more than 1000 years.
    Americans, those finally alcoholics.
    But absolutely sober and non-drinkers, either died out or did not achieve anything for the entire time of its existence.
    1. would
      would 18 January 2016 08: 16
      +6
      Apparently the successes were so huge that sobriety societies were created in the Russian Empire in the 19th century, while the peasants were their core, and in the 20th, this business took a completely different turn and was supported by the authorities. You can ask what people were in such societies. Then there was the USSR where there was also a struggle against drunkenness, but occasionally.

      The successes by the way are really great: The percentage of crimes when drunk is worth it, but I still don’t mention socially dangerous infections that are indispensable companions of all drug addicts.

      Americans, those finally alcoholics.


      Do you still propose a great Russia to be equated with a wild, backward, fascist and spiritless state?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 18 January 2016 08: 33
        +2
        Have I suggested somewhere NOT to fight alcoholism? Why are you misinterpreting my words?
        Did you drink alcohol in the USSR? Used. They fought precisely with drunkenness.
        Why do you compare alcohol use with drugs?

        Is the USA a backward state? You are joking?
        1. would
          would 18 January 2016 08: 45
          +2
          No, they didn’t offer anywhere not to fight drunkenness, and I didn’t write anywhere that you suggested such a thing. Where the distortion I have no idea.

          Why do you compare alcohol use with drugs?


          Because the typical Russian-Soviet use of the majority of alcohol-containing drinks is nothing more than a typical drug addiction, or to be more precise, alcoholism. Drinking by the way begins exactly from the moment that intoxication sets in. You can’t expand heroin and not be a drug addict, you can’t drink at least until you are intoxicated and not be drunk.

          Is the USA a backward state? You are joking?


          Partially, and to be precise, I’m rather sarcasm. It’s just that it gives me special pleasure to see how the country that we have decided to vilify from beginning to end (otherwise, the national traitor, the fifth column, etc.) is cited as an example, while positive with a view to blocking out the negative.
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 18 January 2016 13: 13
      +1
      about 1000 years - I will not believe - if the current is sour milk or kvass and mead :) - watch the video - "the story of one deception"
      - I can’t vouch for the authenticity of the data in it; you can drag it on whatever you like, but they tell beautifully :)
  19. Riv
    Riv 18 January 2016 08: 09
    0
    I saw a photo of girls in T-shirts with the inscription: "Choose me, or beer." Well, the first question is: "How much beer?"
    :)
    1. Erg
      Erg 18 January 2016 13: 28
      0
      Plus mine. Here another "crap" of modern Russia rises. Girls, at least think, what's the point in this inscription? So cute. Translating - better fuck me than drinking with the boys.
  20. Mera joota
    Mera joota 18 January 2016 08: 30
    +6
    According to statistics, 92% of senior schoolchildren who drink alcohol do not demonstrate a high quality of knowledge, passing into the category of "tight three-yards." For obvious reasons, the further life path of such youth representatives is most often associated with antisocial manifestations, familiarization with the criminal environment, disability and early mortality.

    It may be enough to walk around, huh? Are there really doubts that the rulers of Russia contribute to this? What do they need stupid not able to critically analyze the surrounding reality so that there are no seditious thoughts?
    Alcohol and drugs have been killing Russia's youth for the third decade, turning them into stupid zombies. Some Rotenberg owns all the alcohol in Russia, this has long been known. But nobody knows that drug lord that has been poisoning the country with heroin and spice for years. How is that? This cannot be, because the drug trade involves a certain centralization, such as the hypothetical Pablo Escobar, to which all the streams from the sale of drugs flow. There is no democracy in this environment, the one who has risen up on the drug trade is simply forced to crush competitors to achieve a monopoly, thereby increasing income. Its task is to go directly to the manufacturer, organize delivery and marketing. Who is this man and why is the Gosnarkokartel or the FSB not aware of him?
  21. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 18 January 2016 08: 31
    +5
    The family needs to be strengthened, because the foundations of education are laid in the family.
  22. Old26
    Old26 18 January 2016 08: 34
    +5
    Quote: Stauffenberg
    You watch all the Russian New Year films. One topic is how people get drunk and play tricks. It's kind of a lot of fun. And children and youth are looking at it.

    Well then, it is necessary to ban both films and books where this is described? In our country, as always, any "struggle" goes to extremes. Like the fight against alcoholism in its time (Gorbachevskaya). And what gave? The growth of drug addiction and substance abuse. A normal person had to stand in huge, hours-long queues, and alcoholics and, in general, those who regularly drank, did not get the "potion" at a time.
    The problem of alcoholism, in my opinion, is primarily a social one. And it should be decided by the state as a social problem. And the beginning of the rejection of alcoholism should occur in the family. Then we will not nod to films where they smoke or drink.
    Judging by myself. In the family, alcohol is not prohibited, so bottles of vodka, cognac, wine can stand in the bar untouched for years. And if there is alcohol consumption in the family, then it is cultural. Moreover, this implies not getting drunk at home, namely, if there is already a situation when you have to drink alcohol, then it is dosed. When a bottle of champagne is consumed for a family of four adults on New Year's Eve, this can be called cultural consumption.

    IMHO all this new initiative of the Ministry of Education is another bunch

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Beginning of the 90s, everyone thumped and everywhere. From little to great.

    I can’t say that from young to old, but we were drinking "without brakes."
    If before and after the 90s at work birthdays are congratulations and a table with a minimum of alcohol during the lunch break, and even then with the permission of the management, then in the 90s they are "From lunch to the fence" (from lunch break and until 22-23 o'clock, there was such a thing) and with the participation of often the same leadership.

    Quote: rotmistr60
    This issue is not resolved in bureaucratic offices by issuing directives and instructions, but "on the ground." First of all, instilling a healthy lifestyle on specific examples, involving young people in active sports and social life, etc. And this should begin by working with informal leaders of the class, school, technical school, to whom students listen and orient themselves.

    Of course, you need to start only with the "ground". There is nothing to do from above. How to do it ??

    If in my youth and youth I really could go to any circle, any section, free of charge, but now it still costs, and quite significant money. Moreover, in relation to the same students. There is a sports faculty at the university - so most of the athletes and supporters of a healthy lifestyle are from there. The rest - they are most often found at the "pub". They have no incentive not to drink, or to go to the sports section. Drink - don't drink, study - don't study, and this will not in any way affect, for example, your scholarship or the opportunity to get a job after graduation. The increased scholarship was always paid only for knowledge and academic performance.

    Sorry, maybe he wrote a little messy, but frankly all these ministerial initiatives are sometimes "worn out". It seems (and it really is) that these initiators live in a completely different world ...
    1. would
      would 18 January 2016 08: 50
      +1
      Drink - do not drink, study - do not study, and this will not affect in any way, for example, your scholarships


      And here I do not agree. In general, money is spent on alcohol, and if you don’t drink, then you save on it.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 18 January 2016 12: 26
        +3
        In general, money is spent on alcohol, and if you don’t drink, then you save on it.
        The main capital that a person has is health. Without it, everything else loses all meaning. It was not for nothing that the people had such a riddle saying: "We do not take care, but when we lose we cry." I remembered a song from the Soviet movie "Treasure Island":

        SONG ABOUT THE HARM OF DRINKING

        Lords, sirs, peers,
        Know the sense of proportion
        Avoid drinking -
        You are trapped.
        A short path awaits us
        And the stronger the whiskey
        All the more so, sirs, there will be your days.

        Every extra degree
        It will not be your joy.
        Every toast is harmful to your health !!!
        - Sorry, does not bloom like a rose,
        Liver for cirrhosis? AND?
        - Yes! And from sclerosis only the brain becomes dull !!!

        Fifteen people on the dead man's chest,
        Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum.
        Drink, and the devil will bring you to the end.
        Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum.

        From a hangover, sirs,
        Will you be gray
        And the white light will not be nice to you in the morning.
        The enemy will be pleased -
        You are no longer a warrior
        If they dance in the fingers
        Sword and musket.

        Got out of bed in the morning
        Better take dumbbells
        And any burden will be like fluff.
        No better in the world
        Full-weight kettlebell.
        And in a healthy body, a healthier mind.

        Fifteen people on the dead man's chest,
        Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum.
        Drink, and the devil will bring you to the end.
        Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum.


        PS A good cartoon, like visual agitation for the education of today's youth. hi
  23. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 January 2016 08: 39
    +4
    In order to educate someone, you need to show a personal example. And this is difficult, especially when behind your back is not a short period of military service with all its vicissitudes. But believe me, the result is worth it. Tested on himself and his son.
  24. Leader
    Leader 18 January 2016 08: 50
    +5
    Another nonsense of Russian huckster politicians.
    First, they destroyed the state monopoly on alcohol, bred an incredible number of private vodka factories, made alcohol available to the public (cheap, sold everywhere and around the clock) - and now they are going to "fight" ...
    Aha! Just as they "fight" corruption! Liars!
    As soon as I see the word "program", I immediately understand - about nothing. They form the next committee, allocate funds, conduct a "study of the issue" (for big money) - and that's it.

    Look, they are also fighting smoking: now Russia is the world's largest tobacco producer (!)!
    A pack of cigarettes costs less than anywhere else in developed countries!
    Do you feel the intensity of the "struggle"?

    There is nothing worse for Russia than its leadership - at all times except the USSR.
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 18 January 2016 20: 47
      0
      Forgot your plan of activities .... laughing
    2. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 18 January 2016 20: 47
      0
      Forgot your plan of activities .... laughing
  25. Owl
    Owl 18 January 2016 08: 53
    +6
    Now a generation is growing up for which it is difficult to find a "road" to physical education and sports on a free basis. It is easier to play on a computer bought or borrowed from friends than to ask your parents for about 1-2 thousand rubles a month for sports (music, creativity). After the destruction by internal enemies of the state's interest in training a sober, strong and healthy population, there will only be a deterioration in the education system, the pursuit of mass exercise by people and the complete elimination of free medical care will continue. They are trying to destroy Russia by destroying the health and mind of the Russian People. This is done by traitors in power structures.
    1. would
      would 18 January 2016 08: 59
      +6
      it is difficult to find a "road" to physical education and sports on a free basis.


      Empty excuses. There is a crossbar in almost any yard, if not, then a horizontal bar is hung home which costs little, but consider that forever. And on this horizontal bar you can do many types of pull-ups and even purposefully pump the press. One horizontal bar is enough to seriously increase physical capabilities and even draw the body, to get not pumped up, but a gymnastic figure. Sex is also everywhere, push-ups also work wonderfully and absolutely free. And if you also buy type-setting dumbbells ... I could still remember that there is a street and you can walk and run there, but alas, in big cities there can be no normal street.

      The problem is that there is no desire and the situation is absolutely normal when a person for 30-40 or even more than thousands buys a subscription to a fancy fitness club and has been there once. Just was, did not even deal.
  26. Old26
    Old26 18 January 2016 09: 02
    +5
    Quote: DREDD
    An information company of this kind will be very stretched out in time, but will undoubtedly have a strong impact on society. The main thing is to form a person's aversion to the behavioral pattern of alcohol consumption, to make the person perceive "cultural drinking" below his dignity. Maybe some will say that this is rude, but, excuse me, where do we go then? Prohibition is also a good method.

    The information campaign will be zero if it is not brought up in the family. This information campaign will be treated exactly the same as an advertisement for the same alcohol. The reaction of the overwhelming majority of the population will be the same - "tired".

    To form in a person an aversion to the behavioral pattern of alcohol consumption, as you write, you can also in the family. You can even make him perceive "cultured drinking" below his own dignity.
    But he lives not only within the framework of his family, not in a vacuum, and at least once, but will be at the table where he will have to drink. Would it take him off the brakes, as they say. For some reason, we have recently perceived the term "cultural consumption" of alcohol only in one context: to get drunk at home, not shining on the street.

    And this is still a slightly different concept. And to teach "cultural consumption" means not to instill in a person the idea of ​​"get drunk at home", and if it happens that there is a need for consumption, then it should be done in a smart way, within certain limits.
    How many of us who drink alcohol know, for example, what wine should be served and drunk with? But even this is one of the components of "cultural behavior". Along with how to use cutlery and stuff ...
    Russia drank and drinks. Sometimes less than other countries, sometimes more. But it is impossible to make the country "absolutely sober". Nor will any "sobriety societies", where everyone was forcibly driven, and not those who drank heavily (as originally conceived), will not do this either.
    And even more so the dry law will not do it. World experience suggests that this may have a short-term effect, but then uncontrolled, clandestine alcohol production will begin.
  27. Svetovod
    Svetovod 18 January 2016 09: 03
    +3
    It is necessary to educate the attitude towards the Alkanauts the same as towards the Euro-homosexuals, and everything will work out by itself. Let them poke alone and thump so that no one sees. That’s how they managed to accustom to the booze - with positive reviews, and not "drinking is healthy and good", then you need to wean it with negative reviews about drinkers, and not "drinking is harmful and bad".
  28. Signaller
    Signaller 18 January 2016 09: 24
    +4
    "Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker." (Peter I)
    This is Peter who said, not I. In everything (as regards drinking), a norm is needed. This is a personal opinion, and it is necessary to educate the population and youth. DRINKING is not an end in itself, but an organism's need. The norm of admission is the main thing. A glass of champagne, a glass of dry wine, well, a glass of vodka from stock or from the frost and all. And in our country, as usual, everyone gets drunk in death. This is what we must fight against. Barriers must be put to this. This must be taught. Personal opinion, I do not impose.
  29. George 275
    George 275 18 January 2016 09: 32
    +3
    Something I got confused by the read fight against alcohol I need to drink wassat joke. Happy holiday with the baptismal health of all blessings.
  30. Fox
    Fox 18 January 2016 09: 37
    +2
    everything is cool, but I often observe this picture: teachers tell schoolchildren about the dangers of smoking and alcohol, and before the holidays, after driving all the students out of school, after a while they crawl out into the snot drunk after a corporate party ... curtain.
  31. oracul
    oracul 18 January 2016 10: 01
    +4
    The problem is so vast and serious that the efforts of the Ministry of Education against this background cause nothing more than laughter and regret. If it is assumed that retraining will lead to a change in the situation, then I can only shrug. First, who are the teachers and teachers themselves? A product of the 90s and XNUMXs, when they drank a lot. You might think that after retraining they will change and go to church to pray? Secondly, all kinds of prohibitions must be treated wisely and not brought to the point of absurdity. Under Gorbachov, there was an attempt to ban, so what? Solid window dressing. Which area is the most sober? Sobriety society, defamation of normal people for allowing themselves to drink, non-alcoholic weddings where vodka with Pepsi is poured into decanters under the guise of a drink, cut down vineyards, we even have a ban on drinking coffee with cognac in restaurants (nonsense !!), cutting out scenes of drinking from movies or even a ban on showing. And next to it is sale from under the floor, "Palenque" and clandestine workshops for its production, humiliating queues for the most part who are not alcoholics at all in shops for drinks, etc. Thirdly, in solving such global problems it is absolutely impossible to be guided by personal opinion or preferences people. Fourthly, the market has led to the fact that millions of people have been destroyed by their way of life, many have lost their jobs, turning from breadwinners into freeloaders, someone has lost their purpose in life, being superfluous on its sidelines, due to the need to leave their homes, family and wander in search of work in a foreign land, where you still need to get, which is impossible without money, and where, moreover, you need to rent a house. Add to this the increasing inaccessibility of free education and health care, kindergartens, extended school hours, and rising prices. It will not seem a little. State thinking assumes that all problems must be solved in a complex, otherwise success will not be achieved. And, finally, there is a multi-thousand-year history of mankind, its culture, of which winemaking is an integral part, whether someone likes it or not.
  32. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 January 2016 10: 26
    +2
    Up to 78% of Russian teenagers who drink alcohol are “brought up” in the so-called dysfunctional families

    Do they have alternative ways of hanging out? What if with money strained? The task of state scale is able to solve only the state. But attempts to create, or rather, the revival of free circles and sections are not visible and not expected. You are going the wrong way, comrades.
  33. AKKUL
    AKKUL 18 January 2016 10: 36
    +1
    Alcohol is a legalized drug. We need a complete ban on the production, sale and use of drugs, including alcohol.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 January 2016 22: 42
      0
      - "It all looks like some kind of wiring ...
      Drugs are not allowed! But you can vodka ... "(C)
  34. Nikita Orlov
    Nikita Orlov 18 January 2016 10: 54
    +3
    Alcol is a drug officially recognized by the UN. Drinkers are drug addicts, do not inject, do not sniff, but "drink" the "drink". Alcohol is death for the "abilities" of the brain, i.e. the brain remains, but the processes of awareness are dulled. Therefore, even moderate drinkers, people with a very narrow-minded way of thinking, imagining themselves to be philosophers and experts in life, alas, this is a drug addict illusion.
  35. Finntroll
    Finntroll 18 January 2016 11: 14
    +4
    I'll put in my 5 kopecks. In Russia, they will drink and smoke as long as a liter of milk or juice, for example, will cost the same as a bottle of beer or a pack of cigarettes. I was tired of the moronic policy of prohibition, but at least you are forbidden until sports or other types of outdoor activities become public in the country, nothing changes. (for me an employee of the plant to ride at the local GLC needs to pay 500 rubles for two hours, this pleasure will cost a "non-employee" 900 rubles. + 300 rubles is an example. If you do not have equipment, pay another 1000-1500 rubles for rent) this is with an average salary in the city of 15t.r. and our city is not the poorest. Go to a sports store and see how much the sports equipment costs, check out the price tag for training in sports clubs.
  36. Belousov
    Belousov 18 January 2016 11: 22
    +6
    Alas, the fight against drunkenness and other drug addiction is not beneficial to the government and the authorities in general. It's no secret that drunken cattle is easier to manage, especially against the background of the "achievements" of our economists in the government. So you have to do everything yourself, you have to start in the family, not drink, explain the cons, teach you to play sports, etc.
  37. heal
    heal 18 January 2016 12: 59
    +6
    While in the country:
    * Dumbbells will be more expensive than a bottle of beer;
    * they will prohibit smoking on trains and immediately sell beer and vodka for delivery;
    * will not take away the rights for life for drunk driving;
    * In hospitals, drunks will soon be pumped out sooner than cores and others
    - nothing will change.
    1. Erg
      Erg 18 January 2016 13: 50
      +2
      You can discuss the "methods of dealing" with alcohol as much as you like, but everything will be in vain. Until we see the forest behind the trees. So that's it. If you want to destroy the country - give it democracy. If you want to ruin your family, give society emancipation. If you want to destroy education - give the rights to the students, if you want to destroy the army - give the rights to the soldiers (read Kerensky's decrees on "soldiers' committees"). You can go on for a long time ... It's all about morality and traditions, in family foundations (for example, the Caucasus). The people openly dare to insult the president, the wife is blackmailing her husband that she can take the children and housing and just throw him out into the street, the student is openly rude to the teacher (for violating "rights") and threatens to give punches ... That was sown, as they say. hi
  38. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 18 January 2016 13: 06
    0
    Ask the Finns how. The Finns coped with the problem of a drunken country and are ready to share their experience.
  39. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 18 January 2016 13: 13
    +2
    Inventors ...

    1. Substitution methods. Giving opportunity free playing sports in the best sports facilities in the country and opportunities free leisure, if it is not antisocial. Everyone who reads the comment should laugh together. smile

    2. Economic methods. Eradication "dysfunctional families"by creating stable economic wealth. There are scientific studies showing that at a certain level of well-being, alcoholism loses its attractiveness. Under the word "stable"the complete absence of 1992, 1998, 2008 and 2015 is implied. Everyone who reads the commentary should all collapse under the table in convulsions. laughing

    3. Repressive methods. am Soviet schoolchildren drank only in high school, in the order of pampering. And if this was discovered, real adverse consequences ensued.

    No ultra-educators can do any of the above.
  40. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 18 January 2016 13: 22
    +1
    All projects of the authorities are aimed only at justifying their comfortable existence. They arise quickly and are quickly forgotten. And they are confined to election campaigns. Look what is shown on TV: propaganda of smoking, wine drinking, drugs, sex, crime and further down the list. Young people are not offered anything positive, big, to which one could strive. TV is run by people who are not Russian in spirit and are supported by the authorities. Power corrupts the youth with one hand, while the other will do something good? No wonder the people invented the term "liberals". They are the ones who now run the show in Russia.
  41. Obolensky
    Obolensky 18 January 2016 13: 27
    +2
    How to fight? Here are many rightly said. In general, it is necessary that all factors are connected or coincide. Here there is propaganda, education, and home education, the atmosphere in the family and the opportunity to work and earn decently. I would also bring the environment there. There is an old saying: "Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are."

    How many examples are there that young people, good students, getting a decent education, everything is in order at home, there are prospects for a good job, but the people around them are not lucky? How many times have I seen people who had all this, but in their "friends" there were absolute opposites. And they called them friends. These friends were also introduced into a "vicious" circle. So. Well, then how lucky. He himself will understand and come out, or with someone's help. Or maybe not. Hello, bottom.

    Incidentally, it is not necessary that all factors be positive. There are also negative factors. There is no propaganda as such, parents thump and fight among themselves. And the environment is appropriate. But a person somehow floats out, maybe with someone's help. Or maybe the brain just turns on, seeing all this. School somehow ends, institute, work. Suppose initially not good, but there is a desire. And out of all the alcoholic bacchanalia through which he went, memory and the opportunity to drink a bit on holidays remained. Or not drink at all.

    And if you look at modern alcohol. What do young people eat with us? Well, vodka. And then it all starts with a beer, al with a cocktail. And the last one is chemistry! I generally oppose the sale of cocktails in jars and bottles. If you want a cocktail, either do it yourself if you can, or go to a bar (restaurant) and a professional will make it for you.

    An important role is also played by the quality of alcohol. Who controls the supply of alcohol and most importantly what? State? I doubt it. So they drink with us solid chemistry and poison. Because not everyone has money for quality alcohol.

    And the last one. Of all young people, the worst thing is not when the guy thumps (although he is sorry and scared for him too), but when a young girl turns into an alcoholic! I feel sorry for them the most and most of all I want to protect from this vicious muck. For they do not know what they are doing while intoxicated. But they are future mothers.

    And in the end: there is no panacea to cure or protect everyone from alcoholism. There are solutions. These decisions must be cited individually, naturally comparing the attendant positive and negative factors.
  42. red_october
    red_october 18 January 2016 13: 44
    +1
    I don’t understand what a school teacher, and especially a university teacher, can do if a family is dysfunctional and parents without brains? Maybe you need to help the family? Without juvenile, of course. Look at the parents. If there is a single mother and there are material problems - to help financially, to help get on the labor exchange, for example, to help with housing, if necessary by law. and generally advise, provide legal support. After all, we have many parents who live clogged with daily worries, and do not even know that they are entitled to help in some specific situations, rights. Provide legal support, advice. Then, maybe not everyone, but many parents will have the opportunity to deal with children. At least so.
    And then a teenager comes to school or a student at a university (well, at school, upbringing comes first, but on the other hand, all adequate teachers do this, and at a university where they should give professional knowledge?) And his teacher begins, sand instead of material: do not drink do not smoke. Only to sense if at home it is possible.

    PEDAGOGICAL PARABLE
    ... Once, three of his children came to Master Wang, and everyone wished for something strange.
    “Father,” the eldest son said, criminating and blushing. - I think I love men more than women. And among men, I love Sun Ahui from a neighboring village the most. He is so ... so! .. he is like Byakui from "Bleach"! .. I understand that you wanted to see me as a support in the future, the successor of the family and the heir to his skill, but ... sorry, I want it differently. Is it okay if I bring Sun Ahui to the house, and we sleep in the same bed and sit by the fire, holding hands? ..
    “Dad,” the middle son said, looking down. - It seems to me that I am a pacifist and I can’t even look at weapons, meat food and other people's suffering. I understand that you would like to see in me a strong warrior, winner and defender, who will become famous throughout the Middle Kingdom, but ... I'm sorry, I want it differently. Is it okay if you dissuade me from the army and we take our piglet, which we feed on the Lantern Festival, to the house? I will call him Pikachu, I will bathe in warm water, I will tie a blue bow around my neck, and Pikachu and I will only eat plant food! ..
    - Dad! - said the beloved daughter of Master Wang, Ma Xian, walking with her graceful foot on the clay floor. - You know, I'm a young, beautiful and smart girl. Therefore, I want to fulfill myself and live for myself. I understand that you would like to see in me a loving wife, a skillful hostess and a caring mother of your many grandchildren, but ... sorry, you will not have grandchildren. Is it okay if I go to town, become an office worker, make a career and become a childfree? And on weekends I will come to your nursing home in my Matis and buy you a wonderful rocking chair ...
    Master Wang had already opened his mouth to loudly tell the children everything that he thinks about them, but never made a sound.
    “Is it necessary?” He thought suddenly. “But what right do I have to decide for my children how to live, who to sleep with, what to eat, what to believe in? They are independent individuals! So what, the eldest is only seventeen "Do you think I don’t like it! Never mind, I will tolerate, but my children will be happy! In the end, the more civilized a person is, the more tolerant he is, so will I really behave like a savage ?!"
    “Good,” he said wearily, “live as you wish.”
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  44. red_october
    red_october 18 January 2016 13: 44
    +4
    ... ten years have passed. The children lived as they wanted, and Masters Wang was just hot!
    He came to a neighbor to share his misfortune and saw that Master Zhang was sitting in the gazebo in front of a rock garden, drinking plum wine and smoking his favorite crooked pipe.
    “How are you, neighbor?” asked Master Wang. - Is everything all right? What are the kids?
    Master Zhang slowly took a sip from the cup and replied:
    - The eldest son married the daughter of a county judge. They live in perfect harmony, their son earns good money, they have a big house in the city. The middle son serves in the imperial cavalry on the southern borders of the Celestial Empire. He is the head of the "long hundred" horsemen. Enemies are afraid of him like fire, friends love him, subordinates respect him, and bosses appreciate him. And the daughter - well, there is my beautiful daughter, her beloved husband and my five grandchildren ...
    - Incredible! cried Master Wang. “But did your children, being young, hot and stupid, not come to you ten years ago, wanting something strange ?!”
    Master Zhang nodded gravely.
    “How did you manage to raise such glorious children ?!”
    “I just told them that if they didn’t stop fooling around, I would REDGE them with a shovel.”
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 18 January 2016 13: 54
      +3
      Good parable. No one learns from the mistakes of others; therefore it is necessary to help, it is possible - with a shovel (in relation to alcoholism it is so possible)
  45. Alex_T
    Alex_T 18 January 2016 13: 46
    +5
    View from the side (from Wed. Asia). The first time in the post-Soviet era was in Moscow in 2008. The first thing that surprised in public transport was empty beer bottles rolling on the floor and teenagers in the streets with a beer truck in their hands. At that time, alcohol was spinning on TV. And finally, in the last couple of years, the Russian government has begun to take steps to improve the health of its citizens. In my opinion, it is the tenth thing to engage in retraining of teachers, it is necessary to more actively use the capabilities of the media, to remove and launch anti-advertising on alcohol and drugs on TV. By the way, pay attention that on TV people sometimes talk about the fight against drugs, about how the police catch dealers, intercept parties during transportation, but nowhere is there regular drug advertising, there are no TV shows that raise the rejection of alcohol and drugs from childhood. What prevents run on state. channels anti-alcoholism and drug addiction, instead of advertising gaskets and Gazprom? Greed?
    1. yashacat
      yashacat 19 January 2016 02: 48
      0
      Anti-advertising is all from the evil one. It will never bring the desired effect. Here on a pack of cigarettes are horror stories about emphysema, impotence, etc. Many people pay attention to this? I have a neighbor. A good guy, kind, always ready to help everyone, not stupid, rather sleevey, but a big fan of laying behind the collar, I would even say a professional. For life I’ve had trouble ... everything I could. So, you see him in the summer in a down jacket on his naked body, in winter boots, dirty, with a broken face , who shoots everyone’s little thing at SPAR’s bubble, even I don’t have any desire to drink my favorite Armenian brandy Vaspurakan. This is anti-advertising! If you introduce prohibitive measures, raise prices, come up with various programs to combat ..., the effect will be directly the opposite, especially among young people. The forbidden fruit is always sweet, the consumption of expensive goods is a sign of success. Well, when the state takes care of me, I start to tremble.
  46. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 January 2016 13: 58
    +3
    Is there no place for sports? On the loggia at home, daily 30-40 minutes. Grabs above the roof. Few? He wore sneakers in and around the house for 10-12 laps. Few? At the weekend to the country and work! On Monday, all the muscles ache from the load. A set of sports equipment 1,5 tons, updated a week ago. So there would be a desire, but there are opportunities.
    1. red_october
      red_october 18 January 2016 14: 12
      +5
      What’s the matter. If it concerns the education of children.
      In order for children to play sports, it is necessary that both father and mother do.
      A child instantly feels false. If dad drinks beer every evening in front of the TV and watches football, while teaching his son: "We must do sports" - the son will not take such a "teacher" seriously anyway. And not only on the issue of sports. So that's right, the question is not about sports fields, although it's nice that at least in big cities they are being built in courtyards and parks. The problem is in the heads
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  48. goody
    goody 18 January 2016 15: 02
    +2
    Quote: red_october
    What’s the matter. If it concerns the education of children.
    In order for children to play sports, it is necessary that both father and mother do.
    A child instantly feels false. If dad drinks beer every evening in front of the TV and watches football, while teaching his son: "We must do sports" - the son will not take such a "teacher" seriously anyway. And not only on the issue of sports. So that's right, the question is not about sports fields, although it's nice that at least in big cities they are being built in courtyards and parks. The problem is in the heads

    Everything is right, it starts from the family where the child sees what the parents are doing and does the same. Let's be an example to our children!
  49. lazy
    lazy 18 January 2016 15: 36
    +2
    family by family, but there is still the influence of the street, where working parents spend more time with working parents than with them. Advocacy is needed, but the simple implementation of existing laws is also necessary, and if there is a ban on the sale of alcohol to minors, then it is necessary to monitor its implementation and conduct raids, and if you just fine it for a start, then close it after relapses. By the way, at least in Vladivostok, due to the large influx of migrants from Central Asia, nasvay became popular and this is also not good.
    1. red_october
      red_october 18 January 2016 16: 22
      0
      If the child is not raised by his parents, the street will really begin to raise him.

      So, it’s up to the parents to take their son or daughter by the hand and lead them to a good sports coach. A boy, for example - for hockey, sambo, who has a soul for what, a girl - for dancing. In general, it’s one hundred twenty-fifth, on what exactly, the main thing is that the coach is good and there is no free time on the street

      Advocacy, compliance with laws is also important. We must fight with all available methods.
  50. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 18 January 2016 15: 45
    +1
    There are two ways to defeat drunkenness: “bomb” the society with anti-alcohol propaganda or cut off their heads.
    I am inclined to the second option as a more humane one.