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Conception of Kaliningrad format

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What do we know about the conflict resolution process in the Donbas? We know about the first Geneva format, then Minsk-1, many hours of negotiations with the birth of a document in the Minsk-2 format. In addition to this, Ukrainian creatives composed (in one person) “Minsk-3”. And “before” was also the very first format - literally a protoformat under the code word “Norman”, which in one form or another swept from a meeting in France to the most extreme contacts and discussions.


As it turned out, there are still not enough of these formats and proto-formats, so that the situation in the Donbass truly moves into a peaceful course, and that once weapons scumbags from the so-called terbats of Ukraine calmed down under a hanging iron fist. It turned out that the mentioned scumbags do not understand any paper language in principle. If the agreements were written even on the most independent Ukrainian Move, even on truly democratic English, even on surzhik, they don’t understand, even kill ... That's it - “even kill” ...

Is this all that over the past year and a half has been clarified? Of course not. Perhaps, the main postulate, which is clarified, as they say, reinforced concrete, was the postulate that there is no point in negotiating, excuse me, with the “Kuchmas” and even with the “powders”, no. As there is no point in negotiating with the invitation of German old women playing the role of Federal Chancellor, and with the French men, politically wagging the back deck. Negotiations, as it turns out, can be more or less intelligible if Russia speaks directly with the representative of the state that turned Ukraine into a zombie state, which today is under the banner of striving for democracy against the background of the default in the economy. And the state is, of course, the United States of America.

And, judging by everything, on the basis of such considerations, it was decided to give birth to an “additional” format - Kaliningrad, apparently taking into account the fact that the Kaliningrad region is like that hypothetical bridge capable of sort of connecting the West with Russia. Such persons as Vladislav Surkov and Victoria Nuland took part in the process of conceiving the format, the first being under "sizzling" American sanctions, and the second is known as the godmother ukromaydana, who handed out the notorious 2014 buns in the center of Kiev in February. How did the political conception pass?
No one kept the candle, as they say, and official information is at least, but comments and backstage rumors, as in other cases and always in the case of Vladislav Surkov, are maximum.

If we talk about the official side of the issue, then the words of Surkov should be cited as the starting point of the information frame of the meeting "at the top". These words leads the news agency Interfax:
Quite thorough, constructive and useful consultations took place. It was a kind of brainstorming on the search for compromises for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. On some sensitive issues, such as constitutional reform, security and elections, ideas have been put forward that can be discussed in a contact group in the Norman format. The negotiations were constructive and were designed to support the current work in the "Norman format" and the contact group.


Conception of Kaliningrad format


Commented on the negotiations and the American side. In particular, psaccessor John Kirby, speaking during the briefing, said that "negotiations concerning the implementation process of the Minsk agreements were constructive."

Frankly, it is difficult to remember those negotiations in Ukraine, which their parties would rate as “non-constructive”, and therefore, in any case, the results of conceiving the Kaliningrad format as an addendum to Minsk-2 will let know (even if it sounds three times trite) the time most likely already near. However, now at least one fact can be assessed as quite constructive. The fact is that there were no representatives of the Kiev Kunstkamera at the talks, which thereby made the Kunstkammer make it clear that her job was not to inflate her cheeks, building up 80-level negotiators, but to fulfill what is prescribed by the agreements. If for all those meetings and negotiations that took place with the participation of the most diverse “Kuchmas”, the settlement process has not actually moved from a dead end, then the conclusion is the same: the elders will agree, and directly ...

In the large Ukrainian media, realizing that the publication of the material about the meeting of Surkov and Nuland, without a single representative of the “most independent” state, and even in Russian Kaliningrad, “tse zrada”, decided either not to mention such negotiations at all, or let newswhat is called a "running line". They say they met, they say, they talked, but we, they say, are square from temechka to the tailbone, and therefore will bend their line anyway.

And this is where the main question arises: what actually turned out to be the Kaliningrad “conception”, which lasted as long as about 6 hours? It is clear that the format is not at all that one of the parties has undertaken to dictate to the other side only its own conditions, and therefore there is an assumption that the negotiations tried to reduce, as economists say, to “quality mitigation”. This idea is also suggested by the fact that the negotiations were organized by no less than the presidents of Russia and the United States. According to news agencies, it was Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama who, during a telephone conversation, discussed the Kaliningrad meeting of their representatives, who, instead of exercising in the already meaningless ornate diplomatic, finally move on to discuss the fulfillment of obligations by the parties to the conflict substantively.

The fact that right after the end of the negotiations “Surkov-Nuland” with their “brainstorming”, representatives of the LDNR authorities (even the Ukrainian media wrote about this) declared their full readiness to discuss the proposals that were received during the Kaliningrad meeting drew attention to themselves. developed. But in Kiev they did not say anything ... In principle, this is precisely what causes concern. "Softening" is it maybe "quality", but will it be mutual? In other words, will the option that the States have long since been elevated to the priority rank of their foreign policy — first negotiate and reach agreements, and then quietly wash their hands, declaring that I am not me, etc. — will not happen.

It kind of warms the soul that this is by no means the first negotiations on this kind of sensitive issue, and therefore at the time of negotiations the parties knew a lot (and almost everything) about the negotiation methodology of each other, and there is an assumption that this is why they spoke really frankly. Well, simply if they spoke unreservedly, then one can state one thing: neither side of the process is interested in reciprocal steps aimed at the so-called de-escalation, and each of these parties is only waiting for the opposite side to sit in puddle. But since they didn’t get into this very puddle in almost two years, even with a series of very tough unilateral actions, it’s clear that in the future with this approach there will be no abrupt failure of a single party. There is only one conclusion: either to actually compromise the two sides at the same time, or to confirm that Donbass porridge is not even for years, but for decades. But who said that the United States does not like this kind of porridge? ..
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2016 09: 52 New
    33
    It was kind brainstorm

    Personally, I have always been embarrassed by such a comparison adopted from Western managers. The feeling that they are storming their brains to a rattle, and the output is zero. They would say in Russian - an attempt to jointly resolve a complex issue. Whatever they are talking about this meeting, but the result will be the same, i.e. nor what.
    1. makst83
      makst83 16 January 2016 09: 54 New
      36
      The main thing is that this uncle does not take cookies from this aunt! laughing
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 16 January 2016 09: 59 New
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        Quote: makst83
        The main thing is that this uncle does not take cookies from this aunt!

        Do you hope your aunt will "take the cookie" from this uncle? smile hi
        But seriously, the Kaliningrad meeting is most likely the preparatory stage of the conversation about Ukraine, at the highest level. The sharpest corners are erased in advance, so to speak.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 16 January 2016 10: 05 New
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          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          preparatory stage of the conversation about Ukraine, at the highest level. Sharp corners are erased in advance.

          I think there is a serious bargaining on a global scale.
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          2. Apsit
            Apsit 16 January 2016 13: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            I think there is a serious bargaining on a global scale.

            The worse the situation at the borders of Russia, the better the State Department.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 16 January 2016 18: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            I think there is a serious bargaining on a global scale.

            Perhaps since
            -The State Department announced the hope of lifting sanctions against Russia in 2016
            Russia is showing readiness for a diplomatic solution to the conflict in the Donbass, said US Department of State spokesman Daniel Fried. In his opinion, anti-Russian sanctions may be lifted as early as 2016.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 16 January 2016 11: 04 New
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          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Do you hope your aunt will "take the cookie" from this uncle?

          Aunt was treated with Russian pies. But in vain! It was necessary to lay out overdue American solders from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And they will also say that there were polonie pies. belay
          But seriously, the United States "realized" that it had miscalculated, and on several fronts at once - Afghanistan, Turkey, Syria, it is necessary to negotiate with Russia. And Ukraine is a bargaining chip. Well, it didn't work out in the Crimea to arrange its base, well, it didn't work out in the Donbass to extract shale gas, and it turned out that it is not easy to cope with thugs - nationalists. The second IS turns out. And then the elections are on the way, the course must be changed before it's too late.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 16 January 2016 21: 23 New
            0
            Thank you Elena! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
          2. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 16 January 2016 21: 23 New
            0
            Thank you Elena! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 10: 04 New
        +1
        This uncle is so independent, and in the material sense, too, that the aunt himself can stick this cookie.
        1. jjj
          jjj 16 January 2016 11: 50 New
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          And it struck me that on the RBC channel in a running line with a few messages, this citizen gives high marks to himself and to the work done. It is the president who can evaluate the results, but not like the representative he sent
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 16 January 2016 13: 38 New
            +2
            The king is played by the retinue, so this is another question - about the distribution of powers between the public politician VVP and the backstage "gray cardinal" Surkov ...
            1. samarin1969
              samarin1969 16 January 2016 15: 42 New
              +4
              Judging by the real cases: Surkov and Gref are candidates for the frame above the table in the offices ... You "+"
          2. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 15 New
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            The president may refute this statement,
            But Putin seems to be pleased with everything, and it’s too early to talk about the results.
      3. not Russian
        not Russian 16 January 2016 10: 20 New
        +6
        Now Surkov must first go to church. Cleanse yourself from filth.
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        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 January 2016 15: 14 New
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          Quote: non-Russian
          Now Surkov must first go to church

          Better in the synagogue.
          1. Tungus
            Tungus 17 January 2016 15: 46 New
            0
            To the mosque. He is a Chechen.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 January 2016 17: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Tungus
              To the mosque. He is a Chechen.

              Mom’s maiden name is not even mentioned on Vika. And he served Khodorkovsky and Friedman, moreover, in the inner circle. And then Suddenly in the presidential administration. Do you not think such coincidences are suspicious, with all the indirectness of my conclusions?
      4. igordok
        igordok 16 January 2016 10: 34 New
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        Quote: makst83
        The main thing is that this uncle does not take cookies from this aunt!

        In any case, the cookies are worth the money.
      5. The point
        The point 16 January 2016 11: 04 New
        +2
        Did they indulge in buns? wassat
      6. WINovikov
        WINovikov 16 January 2016 11: 18 New
        +1
        The poor one was emaciated. We need cookies.
      7. ehomenkov
        ehomenkov 16 January 2016 19: 01 New
        +4
        Oh well - two villain met sawing a pie - or rather throwing away the unnecessary - someone will push sour pieces to someone ... ESTIMATION - SCALE - a clowness from America exchanged cookies for the country, and our clown Donbass sold hell knows what for.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 16 January 2016 09: 58 New
      10
      Nuland is negotiating on behalf of whom? She personally fed Maidan cookies. Funny damn what to expect from these negotiations? Let goat in the garden. hi
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 16 January 2016 10: 24 New
        +2
        the option that the States have long elevated to the rank of priority of their foreign policy is to first negotiate and reach agreements, and then calmly wash their hands, declaring that I am not me, etc.

        There really is nothing to expect from Nuland.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 16 January 2016 10: 36 New
        +9
        Quote: NIKNN
        Nuland is negotiating on behalf of whom?

        Nuland represents American neocons, those who are most likely to gain power after Obama (and they, in principle, did not lose it). Vicki's husband is Robert Kagan, author of the New American Century project, the essence of which is the promotion of American global leadership. The foundations of PNAC were the view that "American leadership is equally good for America and for the whole world," and support for the "Reagan policy of military strength and moral purity." PNAC has influenced officials of the US government and the administration of US President George W. Bush and influenced the development of military and foreign policy of the Bush administration, especially related to national security and the war in Iraq. (this is from wiki). Now you understand the essence of those whom she represents?
        1. jjj
          jjj 16 January 2016 11: 51 New
          +7
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Vicki's husband is Robert Kagan, author of the project "New American Century

          And spouses also earn from the conduct of hostilities "in third countries" and the supply of weapons
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 16 January 2016 10: 17 New
      13
      [quote = rotmistr60] They would say in Russian - an attempt to jointly resolve a complex issue. Whatever they are talking about this meeting, but the result will be the same, i.e. nor what. [/ quote]
      Actually, those whom it is necessary to speak began to speak, that is, Russia and the servile master of the United States. The Hohlostan lay down on all these Murkels and Hollande from a high belfry, and shelling continued, fights continued and people died in Donbass. But we perfectly know how to fulfill all the US agreements , they can turn their faces to the side and transfer the blame to Russia, how many times it has already been. You say correctly [quote = rotmistr60] and the result will be the same, i.e. nor what. [/ quote] [/ quote]
      hi
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 16 January 2016 18: 20 New
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        Quote: vlad66
        They would say in Russian - an attempt to jointly resolve a complex issue.

        Pushing LDNR into dill. And so that Putin's image as a "land gatherer" would not suffer.
    4. svp67
      svp67 16 January 2016 11: 57 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Personally, I have always been contorted by such a comparison adopted from Western managers.

      Nuland and Surkov - two boots of a pair, both are very guilty in the situation that we have now. Honestly, it just seems to me that their bosses have now set them the task of defusing the situation, so the two of them "moved their convolutions", how and how. If they are able to complete the task, they will remain in politics, but if they do not, they will retire.
      In general, I am glad that the dialogue went directly, bypassing the Ukrainian and European mediators. So, then it will go faster.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 16 January 2016 18: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        So, then it will go faster.

        Where will it go?
    5. Rus2012
      Rus2012 16 January 2016 14: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Personally, I have always been contorted by such a comparison adopted from Western managers.

      The fact that right after the end of the negotiations “Surkov-Nuland” with their “brainstorming”, representatives of the LDNR authorities (even the Ukrainian media wrote about this) declared their full readiness to discuss the proposals that were received during the Kaliningrad meeting drew attention to themselves. developed. But in Kiev they did not say anything ... In principle, this is precisely what causes concern. "Softening" is it maybe "quality", but will it be mutual? In other words, will the option that the States have long since been elevated to the priority rank of their foreign policy — first negotiate and reach agreements, and then quietly wash their hands, declaring that I am not me, etc. — will not happen.


      Considering that now the extremely irreconcilable and warlike clans of neocons are going to "negotiate", the very ones that made all this mess in Krajina, it seems that the current situation does not suit them at all. Also, given that Surkov himself was exposed to him in the negotiations, we have to admit that THIS will be able to squeeze all the juices out of 3,14ndos and pull out all the veins ...

      In the course of Kaliningrad, the first constructive conversation about the division of Ukraine took place.
      Here is what informed people write about it -
      knowing the "gray cardinal" Vladik ...
      Rather, during the meeting they agreed on the tearing apart of the territories of the former Okra.

      It is no secret that the states themselves do not think to contain dill.
      So far they are only interested in Odessa, "at least a tuft of wool from a black sheep." The rest would have been dumped by a gayrope - she doesn't want to. But the "elder brother" will insist - the "younger" have nowhere to go: they will be accepted in parts and stretched out in time. According to the principle, until they accept it - "either the donkey dies, or the padishah introduce himself."

      And everything else that the gamepop does not eat will remain with us-yami. Moreover, we ourselves will decide what to take, and what "forest to the garden" ...
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 16 January 2016 17: 30 New
        +4
        What will come of this meeting - we will soon find out. Let's see - the blind man said!
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 16 January 2016 17: 56 New
        +4
        A meeting between Nuland and Surkov was held in Kaliningrad: the future of Ukraine and Donbass was discussed.

        N-n-independence ...wassat

        Dignity! And everyone understands:
        Maidan freed us from the shackles.
        When the fate of your country is decided
        In Kaliningrad, Nuland and Surkov.

        Andrey Manchuk, Kiev journalist, editor of the online magazine liva.com.ua

  2. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 09: 57 New
    20
    Surkov is directly unsinkable. How many times have I heard that he was pushed away from Donbass and on you, again he. No wonder his Shooters are called "The Great Combinator"
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 16 January 2016 15: 12 New
      +2
      Surkov, from the Dudaev clan on his father (half Chechen). Surname by mother. His Americans in the Donbas struck to drain everything.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 17 New
      0
      This is bad? Need to be a volunteer such as Khrushchov?
  3. SNG
    SNG 16 January 2016 09: 59 New
    +3
    If the photos from the Kaliningrad meeting - do not agree.
  4. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 16 January 2016 10: 00 New
    +8
    Eternal negotiations and consultations. What is the use of them if, with great difficulty, agreements are openly sabotaged by American puppets. The states are simply playing for time. They need "settlement" only on their terms, and if not, they will negotiate as long as it takes for their dirty business. And this can always be justified by the lack of agreements.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 20 New
      0
      Time works for us.
      Firstly, because it is necessary to really feed Ukraine, and this is tens of billions
      Secondly, it is necessary to provide service to the US public debt. IT IS ALREADY IMPOSSIBLE
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 20: 16 New
        +3
        On us ?! With a budget deficit of 3% and continuing to fall in oil prices ?! wassat
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 16 January 2016 20: 23 New
          -1
          And that 3 percent is a disaster? http://www.interfax.ru/business/459892 read there or here http://www.dollar-usd.ru/gosdolg-9.htm
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 22: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Lalaika
            And that 3 percent is a disaster? http://www.interfax.ru/business/459892 read there or here http://www.dollar-usd.ru/gosdolg-9.htm

            Yes, where does the United States? They will print more dollars - and what will we print?
  5. Leprekon
    Leprekon 16 January 2016 10: 08 New
    +8
    If it was at least about the nominal possibility of transferring control of the Donbass to Kiev and surrendering the borders to these creatures, then it will be worse than the shameful "Khasavyurt Peace", which marked the beginning of the first Chechen peace! Let's believe that Russians don't abandon their own.
  6. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 10: 10 New
    0
    Surkov is considered one of the most capable specialists of the Putin team.

    Ukraine is bankrupt. Someone must pay now for the banquet. Americans don’t want to ...
    In the US, the situation is also not easy.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 16 January 2016 10: 28 New
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      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      In the US, the situation is also not easy.


      And here, prosperity is so direct, we don’t know where to put the money.
    2. Rivares
      Rivares 16 January 2016 15: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Surkov is considered one of the most capable specialists of the Putin team

      Yeah how. If only the Medvedev team.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 16 January 2016 18: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: Rivares
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Surkov is considered one of the most capable specialists of the Putin team

        Yeah how. If only the Medvedev team.

        The team is one, and do not stick to Medvedev those who you do not like, even if only because Surkov is an assistant to the PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation.and not the prime minister.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 16 January 2016 18: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      In the US, the situation is also not easy.

      Well, yes, they have been rotting for 50 years laughing
  7. Belarus
    Belarus 16 January 2016 10: 15 New
    20

    I found a test video about Ukraine. After watching it, you yourself will understand that it’s impossible to negotiate with such people. And most likely this was the reason for the meeting without them.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 January 2016 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Belarus
      I found a test video about Ukraine.

      Offset. Something a little would change for a greater effect, and so - everything is fine.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 January 2016 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        Offset

        Offset - poorly said. good I especially liked the boy’s recapture - to shoot all the Ganuras in the parliament, and on the second day to shoot all who came to their funeral. Not by will, Nemtsov’s funeral was remembered! wassat
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 16 January 2016 10: 17 New
    +3
    We’ll wait and see .. Obama’s presidency is not long .. and the foreign policy asset is not in his favor .. But you have to leave beautifully ...
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 January 2016 19: 26 New
      +3
      That sweeps me - he will leave very ugly. It seems to me.
  9. Amurets
    Amurets 16 January 2016 10: 20 New
    +7
    Still, I would not have believed this Nuland bitch. With her husband, she was always an enemy of Russia. And her cookies on the Maidan are mixed and baked on the blood of the Maidan.
    1. maiman61
      maiman61 16 January 2016 12: 17 New
      +2
      And who in the US leadership are not enemies of Russia? But we must also negotiate with the enemies!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 January 2016 13: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: maiman61
        And who in the US leadership are not enemies of Russia? But we must also negotiate with the enemies!

        Yes! It is possible and sometimes necessary, but not as odious as Nuland, Albright and a number of politicians of the old formation like McCain.
  10. Awaz
    Awaz 16 January 2016 10: 20 New
    +1
    I believe that there is a bargain. Russia really does not want to resolve the problems that have arisen in the Donbass, their own score. Therefore, a new active phase of negotiations began. Minsk does not want to fulfill the 2 junta, and therefore the conflict is being drawn out and is at an impasse. The Armed Forces of the DPR and LPR are advancing, and they cannot and the offensive will cause a bunch of crap to Russia, but it does not need it.
    We must remember that only Russia (and the USSR) managed to reconcile the irreconcilable conflict "for good" and on mutually acceptable conditions for both sides (Bandera and Chechnya)
    Probably the Chechen scenario is being developed.
    It is not necessary to be afraid of the connection of Donbass with Ukraine. According to the mind, this is an even bigger blow to the junta than the ongoing war.
    But I think that the junta will not do for this option either. To do this, it is necessary to cut the entire Rada and the government and keep the piglet in an alcoholic state, so that he would only sign what he is being served.
    Well, in general, my opinion is that Russia is not something that is merging, but is trying to blame the problem of Donbass in Ukraine.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 16 January 2016 11: 04 New
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      It is not necessary to be afraid of the connection of Donbass with Ukraine. According to the mind, this is an even bigger blow to the junta than the ongoing war.

      Well, how is it, do not? It is necessary. What will happen? And there will be the following: Those who resist are not able to rot in the dungeons of the SBU, and those who are capable, i.e. those who are now in the armies of the DPR and LPR will scatter through the forests, and the civil war will continue, and thousands of people will fall under repression. Plus, the length of our borders with the nation-under-state will increase markedly. What good?
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 16 January 2016 14: 47 New
        -7
        you don’t need to stick your head in the sand either. There is no other way to solve the problem. or do you want to go to war?
        And you also think that if they surrender the Donbass to Ukraine, they surrender just like that ... it’s clear that there will be conditions that will save the majority of those who participated in the resistance. In general, under normal conditions, the presence of real representatives of Donbass in the governing structures of Ukraine, at first of course the fart will tear Bandera, but if they work properly, the people will reach for them and who knows how everything will end. It’s just that no one will surrender the junta either, the US has put too much on them. Both sides cannot oppose anything, the situation is at an impasse, people are dying ... We need to start a peaceful dialogue. In any case, you still have to put up ...
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 12: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: AwaZ
      It is not necessary to be afraid of the connection of Donbass with Ukraine. According to the mind, this is an even bigger blow to the junta than the ongoing war.
      But I think that the junta will not do for this option either. To do this, it is necessary to cut the entire Rada and the government and keep the piglet in an alcoholic state, so that he would only sign what he is being served.

      Parliament and government do not want the return of Donbass ?! wassat Have you ever re-read what you wrote?) The war is a blow to Russia, because Ukraine does not send humanitarian convoys and cut off social payments. In the pursuit of approvers, sir, one really does not have to get to insanity.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 16 January 2016 14: 32 New
        -3
        I do not approve of saying ... I just lay out my thoughts on this topic. Anyway, it will be resolved according to the Chechen scenario. Because there are no other options. Well, that is, in the current situation. Russia failed to strangle the junta and the junta itself did not collapse either. She does not want to carry out Minsk 2. It’s also problematic to fight with them, as there will be a lot of crap towards Russia. But in Russia there are enough problems without it. Maintaining the Donbass is also probably becoming difficult. And Russia can no longer properly maintain it, but it is also impossible to keep it suspended for a long time, the people can not stand it. Then the ass will be even more serious and blow to the Kremlin.
        Therefore, I think that the movement that came from Russia is an attempt to put pressure on Kiev to fulfill Minsk 2, but Kiev simply cannot fulfill it, so there will be bargaining. I don’t know what and how it is "frayed", but ... unfortunately, the main leitmotif = to drive the Donbass to Ukraine and force the junta to restore everything
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 18: 12 New
          +8
          In what Chechen? First or second? Ukraine is not going to contain anything - there will be a total sweep, with massive genocide and refugee flows to Russia. Which will still have to be maintained. It’s not possible to get out. Strelkov is absolutely right in saying that he had to go all the way, and not look back at his partners.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 16 January 2016 18: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: AwaZ
      I believe that there is a bargain.

      I wonder what the residents of the DPR and LPR themselves think about bargaining? Will they be asked? Or they will decide everything for them as "Indians".
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 16 January 2016 22: 36 New
        +1
        hmm, you can minus as much as you like and stick your head in the sand. Of course, I don’t know how to end it, but my thoughts are not groundless.
        Unfortunately for residents, the current situation of these same residents is not very pleasing to them. And somehow it is necessary to establish their life.
        Also, any war always ends in peace, and here, too, in the end it will also end. Under what conditions is another question.
        You don’t have to be an idiot to understand that all the efforts of Russia spent in Novorossia will not be abandoned just like that, but for the sake of calming the stress, they will probably make any concessions anyway.
        banal Minsk 2, if the junta fully fulfills it, implies the transfer of the LPR and DPR under the jurisdiction of Ukraine. But it should already be completely different Ukraine should become. And if all the "sponsors" of this collusion want this, then most likely it will be so. The authorities of the DPR and LPR generally also support this agreement.
  11. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 16 January 2016 10: 26 New
    +4
    First they brought Ukraine to a civil war, and now what do they want? Self-sufficient countries independently resolve their internal conflicts. Has Ukraine ever been self-sufficient? The question is rhetorical. Hence all the troubles of this state.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 January 2016 10: 40 New
      26
      This Ukrainian Nazi claims that behind his back is a concentration camp for Russian pig dogs ...

      Naturally, this is another confirmation that there will be no peace with this evil spirits, only their destruction will stop the spread of fascism in UKRAINE.
      I have always supported and will continue to support the just struggle of the militias of the DPR and LPR against this abomination ... destroy it without regard to the opinion from the WEST.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 16 January 2016 18: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I have always supported and will continue to support the just struggle of the militias of the DPR and LPR against this abomination ... destroy it without regard to the opinion from the WEST.

        Suppose a more adequate government and a president come to power in Ukraine, I admit that even a little pro-Russian, but what should they do with the millions of those who will never be for Russia, who are specifically poisoned by Nazism and "Europeanism"?
      2. prostofily
        prostofily 16 January 2016 23: 15 New
        0
        Such as he, well, fools, but not so decide about life after all. Shut up and hide, and then maybe he will understand.
  12. Olegater
    Olegater 16 January 2016 10: 30 New
    +8
    In this meeting, we should see the reorganization of world politics between the real managers of the MAtRaSSNI, who sent this hat and the representative of the GDP - Surkov. You can forget about Obama - this is nothing both in politics and in life. He was simply put in the form of a scarecrow for political reasons. But after the negotiations and the convened meeting of the Security Council of Russia, we will look at what progress we will have inside and in foreign policy statements and actions. And then, by indirect signs, having analyzed the situation, we will eventually be able to understand what they talked about and what they stormed (and what). It is a pity that this will be only ex post.
  13. Same lech
    Same lech 16 January 2016 10: 35 New
    +6
    It turned out that the mentioned scumbags do not understand any paper language in principle. Whether the agreements were written even in the closest Ukrainian mov, even in truly democratic English, even in surzhik - they don’t understand, at least kill ... That's it - "even kill" ...



    A concentration camp for Russians ... a snapshot of a Ukrainian fascist.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 January 2016 11: 13 New
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A concentration camp for Russians ... a snapshot of a Ukrainian fascist.

      Yes, they built, they built ... and they don’t know that they BUILT FOR MYSELF,
  14. Darkboy2012
    Darkboy2012 16 January 2016 10: 37 New
    +6
    Gryzlov, Surkov, and also Nuland - something is wrong here - some kind of undercut - I'll wait for the results ...
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 16 January 2016 13: 00 New
      0
      It's simple, infa has already appeared that America is ready to end its sanctions against Russia this year. My opinion is that the mericosa are trying to save their oil workers and the dollar (falling oil prices = falling demand for the dollar), there are a lot of dollars and there’s nowhere to spend them what
  15. Nymp
    Nymp 16 January 2016 10: 41 New
    16
    For some reason, after every negotiation, whether it be Minsk-1 or Minsk-2, only the Russian side loses (I consider the Donbass Russians). Because only Russians are ready to compromise. But it’s Kiev that is bombing Novorossia, and not vice versa, it’s the children of Novorossia that are dying under the dill bombs and not vice versa, which means that concessions should be made by the ukrokhuntyats first. Otherwise, every agreement with the junta turns into a gradual surrender of positions! Well, yes, at such a pace someday peace will come in the Bandera Donbass.
  16. sergant1.1
    sergant1.1 16 January 2016 10: 48 New
    +4
    ))))) Surkov reminds me of Mr. Bean with a serious face.))))) (Without subtext))))) outside of politics.
  17. sabakina
    sabakina 16 January 2016 10: 56 New
    12
    An old man and an old woman are sitting in front of the TV, watching the Lambada dance.
    Old man:
    - Will not work.
    Old woman:
    - What will fail?
    Old man:
    “They won’t succeed.”
    Old woman:
    - But what they can’t do?
    Old man:
    - Until they fall, they will not succeed ...
    (c) "Town". Stoyanov and Oleinikov.
  18. Egoza
    Egoza 16 January 2016 11: 15 New
    11
    I like this. how svidomye fight in hysterics! they didn’t understand that nobody was going to talk with the colony.
    Soskin believes that Surkov persuaded the United States to agree to the holding of elections in a situation where the eastern borders of Donbass remain under the control of militias.
    “Then there, on the territory of Ukraine, an enemy, Russian enclave will actually be created. Then they will say that this is a legitimate authority, that checkpoints should be removed, and the invasion of the mainland zone will begin. “Green men will appear again in Slavyansk, Lysychansk, Severodonetsk and other cities, they will move on, since there will be no more defense lines.
    In fact, it will be a creeping capture of Ukraine. Putin’s Trojan will enter our territory. Great plan! I think it will be about this, ”said the Ukrainian political analyst.
    “With regard to the participation of the Ukrainian side in such negotiations, Obama recently called Ukraine and Syria“ client states ”, i.e. actually recognized them by states with an external management system. In fact, the current leadership of Ukraine, as previously Kuchma and Yanukovych, turned the country into a doll, which is controlled simultaneously by Russia and the United States. Poroshenko is not an independent figure, it is a golem. Therefore, Ukraine is not represented in these negotiations, it is not necessary - what Poroshenko will say, he will do it. It just depends on two sides, it is a double agent recruited by one side and turned over by the other. Therefore, Putin and Obama decide his fate and the fate of Ukraine, until we sterilize him. Poroshenko destroys the state, destroys Ukraine every day of his stay, ”Soskin is indignant.
  19. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 January 2016 11: 27 New
    12
    I hope that there is nothing in common between Brent's progressive dystrophy and the fact that Marmot was taken out of his burrow and sent to "storm the brains" ...
    It is rather disgusting that the fate of the DPR is decided not by its people, but by the vile "Surland".
  20. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 January 2016 11: 38 New
    +4
    Too early to discuss; There is little information and, most importantly, no concrete results are yet to be seen.

    That's when the ukro-figures are imported - then it will become clear what they were talking about and whether they had agreed at least to something.
    It is by the gestures of ukrov that will be seen whether there is progress. Let's wait.
  21. 31rus
    31rus 16 January 2016 11: 39 New
    +6
    Dear ones, I don’t believe any one, let alone another, all the more I don’t believe that the United States has "abandoned" Ukraine like this, that they are planning something
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 41 New
      +1
      Well, what should they do.
      Well they are not going to pay for Ukru.
  22. atos_kin
    atos_kin 16 January 2016 11: 43 New
    +8
    “Brainstorming” is organized by normal people BEFORE the meeting, not during. Impromptu in politics can only be afforded by those who are not responsible for anything and do not sign documents from the authorities. It is surprising that in the conditions of modern communications, a personal meeting was suddenly required - is it to personally shake hands? Such a "meeting of different partners" without signing documents as a consequence of an indistinct foreign policy will lead to the appearance of only a stillborn fetus.
  23. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 16 January 2016 11: 52 New
    +9
    Quote: makst83
    The main thing is that this uncle does not take cookies from this aunt!

    It is generally not clear WHY such important issues are trusted to be solved by some uncle! What. are there no professionals in our Foreign Ministry? Again the "cooks" (in Lenin's way) are trying to solve such important issues! Maybe it's enough to put non-professionals at the helm of foreign policy, moreover often mediocrity, like Chernomyrdin and Zurabov? They have already driven!
  24. Egoza
    Egoza 16 January 2016 11: 53 New
    +6
    Rostislav Ishchenko: the US will begin to put pressure on Poroshenko after the meeting of Nuland and Surkov
    Today’s meeting in Kaliningrad, Russian presidential aide Vladislav Surkov, who oversees the Donbass, and U.S. assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland, will cause Americans to increase pressure on Petro Poroshenko, who has so far refused to comply with the Minsk agreements.
    Such a forecast to "PolitNavigator" was voiced by political analyst Rostislav Ishchenko.
    “The fact that the meeting took place in Kaliningrad, and not somewhere else in San Francisco, testifies that the United States needed this meeting.
    The fact that Nuland did not fly to Moscow indicates that the United States did not want this meeting to become the subject of too much attention of the press.
    The US is groping for a compromise and trying to make some concessions. This is not the first case - over the past three months this is the second meeting between Nuland and Surkov, before that Kerry flew to Sochi, the Americans tried to agree on how to close the conflict and try to save face. Both times, these proposals were not what Russia could suit.
    After these meetings, the United States changed its position on Ukraine, made statements that Kiev should comply with the agreements. This was repeated by Biden in Kiev. Now Poroshenko for the first time declared that the Minsk agreements should begin with constitutional reform.
    The fact that the United States has changed its position, and they began to put pressure on Kiev, is a fact. It can be assumed that during this meeting, options were put forward for joint pressure on Kiev, how the United States would force its Kiev “client” to fit into Minsk. I don’t see other meanings in this meeting, ”concluded Ishchenko.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 12: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Americans tried to agree on how to close the conflict and try to save face.

      I wonder why the conflict in Donbass is disadvantageous for the United States, in contrast to Russia? It’s necessary to turn everything around))) Ishchenko, as always, in his repertoire - “all is well beautiful marquise”
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 16 January 2016 19: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      The fact that the United States has changed its position, and they began to put pressure on Kiev, is a fact. It can be assumed that during this meeting, options were put forward for joint pressure on Kiev, the way the United States would force its Kiev “client” to fit into Minsk. I see no other meanings in this meeting

      There is no faith in them (USA and Europe), how many times have they already eaten us ... and! (excuse me)
  25. bear
    bear 16 January 2016 12: 06 New
    +5
    Conversations, negotiations are all bullshit. You can’t negotiate with the butchers, it will be more expensive for yourself.
    Time is pulling, and nothing more.
  26. jaroff
    jaroff 16 January 2016 12: 19 New
    +1
    I think that the bargaining was in fact about lifting the sanctions. It is no coincidence that at the end of the meeting in Kaliningrad, news appeared: “As soon as the Minsk agreements are implemented, namely: elections are held in Donbass, hostilities are stopped and Ukraine’s eastern border is restored, the sanctions will be lifted,” the State Department official said. “It seems that Russia today is disposed towards a diplomatic solution to the issue. We can only welcome this and hope that this will be achieved this year, ”said Fried.
    Link http://www.golos-ameriki.ru/content/us-russia-sanctions-daniel-fried-ukraine/314
    8018.html
    1. jaroff
      jaroff 16 January 2016 12: 41 New
      +4
      I will add that it is necessary to consider in "one bottle" the successively received news: the verification by the US authorities of the sources of income of the owners of real estate of Russian citizens in the United States-further-refusal to issue a visa in Germany to Minister Tkachev-further-meeting in Kaliningrad-further-statement of the representative of the US State Department about the possibility lifting of sanctions.
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 January 2016 12: 20 New
    +3
    The main feature of this format is the absence of the Ukrainian side in it. The main conclusion is that the Americans are actively looking for ways out of the impasse and ours, in general, is not against agreeing. Now we need to understand where the lines go beyond which compromise is impossible.
  28. Wolka
    Wolka 16 January 2016 12: 31 New
    +2
    but in general the situation is such that the Yankees can no longer manage in the old way, and Russia is not so strong and strong as to lead a fundamentally new way of building a multipolar world ...
  29. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 16 January 2016 12: 38 New
    12
    Nothing good can be expected from this meeting.
    It must be understood that Nuland represents a force that was a source of destabilization in Ukraine. This is a more substantial representation than Obama, who is essentially a hired manager of the same forces whose contract ends without the possibility of extension.
    Another thing is Surkov, who is a representative of liberals who have no other concept of the country's interests, other than the financial interests of big capital. The fate of the people of Donbass for liberals is an insignificant circumstance.
    You must understand that the United States will completely arrange chaos in Ukraine and the conflict until the last Ukrainian. It is important for them to maintain control over the entire territory with the appearance of maintaining the integrity of the territory. In addition, they need the Russian Federation to be tied into the conflict, bear the financial burden, remain the subject of international condemnation as an aggressor, and by their actions lose authority among the population as a defender of the Russian world.
    But Surkov is not a figure who, according to his convictions, will oppose the plans of the United States, for him, like all liberals in the Russian government, the goal is to keep the Russian Federation as an American vassal while protecting the financial interests of large Russian business, Russians are an insignificant circumstance for him.
    This is where the understanding of their agreements should come from. Surkov is not a figure who can help strengthen the Russian Federation or weaken the United States in the international arena.
    In general, changes in terms of stabilizing the situation in Ukraine can not be expected.
  30. Sars
    Sars 16 January 2016 12: 42 New
    +9
    Who is Comrade Surkov? Appeared "out of nowhere" and let's command in the Kremlin. Personally, I am very interested in what principle our personnel policy is based on, it seems that it is solely based on family and friendship ties. The Italians call this state of affairs mafia.
    As for the negotiations: in our Foreign Ministry there is no one to meet with Nuland?
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 16 January 2016 14: 13 New
      +3
      It was Putin who appeared in 1999 "out of nowhere." And Surkov was already deputy. Yeltsin's administration.
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 16 January 2016 15: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: AleksL
        It was Putin who appeared in 1999 "out of nowhere." And Surkov was already deputy. Yeltsin's administration.

        Well, the Dudaev clan represented under Yeltsin. Hence the logical outcome of the 1st Chechen under the drunk.
  31. Igor V
    Igor V 16 January 2016 13: 11 New
    0
    The meeting took place on our territory, without any intermediaries like Holland and Lukashenko. Does this mean that Americans do not know what to do with a self-raised monster? Probably means. It turns out that the initiative has passed into the hands of Russia, and how the latter will act - "we'll see." Gryzlov's visit confirms this idea.
  32. nord62
    nord62 16 January 2016 13: 11 New
    +6
    Brainstorming is (in business terminology) a team of like-minded people has gathered and let's strain your brains - how to solve which problem. And what are like-minded Surkov and Nuland? what Anyway - who is Surkov in politics? Nuland - it’s understandable, the bitch is still the same as there are international provocations and abominations on her account. And this liberal little boy? UNCLEAR. Again, some shnyaga is started .... what
  33. kaschey
    kaschey 16 January 2016 13: 16 New
    +3
    Russians and Ukrainians wake up, you are one people - Slavs. Why issues of life of the Slavic states should be decided by the Zhidomasons. Get together in the usual village hut with the appropriate table decoration, drop all claims against each other and agree on friendship, not substituting each other and not reporting to anyone.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 46 New
      +6
      But what about the "Mosca-Lyaku on the Gilyaku"? Drink and forget?
      The killed civilians of Donbass? Will you sit down to drink vodka with the killer of a young woman with a child?
  34. kaschey
    kaschey 16 January 2016 13: 46 New
    10
    Two VEZLANTSY of one organization working in different countries decided to check the clock and agree on further actions, I think everyone understands in the interests of which organization.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 16 January 2016 13: 55 New
      +2
      The ex-Ukrainian journalist believes that after all, Russia will not merge the Donbass to Ukraine.
      http://antifashist.com/item/rossiya-nikogda-ne-peredast-ukraine-kontrol-nad-gran
      icej-i-nikogda-ne-solet-donbass-chalenko.html
      Eduard Basurin thinks that, apparently, they will not be merged either.
      http://antifashist.com/item/zhiteli-gorlovki-trebuyut-ot-vlastej-dnr-ne-sdavat-g
      orod-ukropam.html
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 January 2016 19: 48 New
      0
      Which organization? Are you raving
  35. Alexl
    Alexl 16 January 2016 14: 11 New
    +9
    You can’t expect anything good from Surkov
  36. serg1970
    serg1970 16 January 2016 14: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    It was kind brainstorm

    Personally, I have always been embarrassed by such a comparison adopted from Western managers. The feeling that they are storming their brains to a rattle, and the output is zero. They would say in Russian - an attempt to jointly resolve a complex issue. Whatever they are talking about this meeting, but the result will be the same, i.e. nor what.

    I correctly understood that they conceived a format with brains, and by storm? :)
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 January 2016 17: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: serg1970
      I correctly understood that they conceived a format with brains, and by storm? :)

      Well, if "conceived" by storm, belay then the results will be in 9 months. repeat then we will find out everything! fellow
  37. kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 January 2016 14: 27 New
    +9
    Quote: Lalaika
    It's simple, infa has already appeared that America is ready to end its sanctions against Russia this year. My opinion is that the mericosa are trying to save their oil workers and the dollar (falling oil prices = falling demand for the dollar), there are a lot of dollars and there’s nowhere to spend them what

    I dare to argue with you! When oil prices fall, assets go into the dollar. We are now feeling its course. With a further increase in the FRS rate, the dollar will only grow. The states are consistent: the lifting of sanctions on Iran is Iranian oil and gas in Europe, which could further lower prices. The states will not allow "tension" between the Saudis and the Iranians, because this runs counter to their interests. Any tension in the Persian Gulf threatens oil exports.
    The goal is to lower oil prices as much as possible and show who is the boss. The precedent was created under the USSR.
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 16 January 2016 20: 04 New
      +2
      Read here: http://ktovkurse.com/a-vy-kurse/tret-neftyanyh-kompanij-ssha-mozhet-razoritsya-v
      -2017-godu
      Regarding Iran, one should not expect a sharp influx of oil, the depreciation of equipment and the construction of new wells require large financial investments, which are not possible at the low cost of oil. And the fact that the price of oil affected the collapse of the Union is FALSE !!!
  38. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2016 14: 31 New
    +5
    One "statesman" flew to Borispol, another to Kaliningrad ... And what was the result? Shelling of Donbass, occupation of buffer zones. Strategists mln. I have no words. Some stratagems and paradigms ...
  39. sevtrash
    sevtrash 16 January 2016 14: 36 New
    +2
    The Americans didn’t quite succeed with Ukraine - Crimea and Donbass were torn off, the crisis, although the main goal was realized - Ukraine moved away from Russia at almost all levels and the countries were made enemies. Russia didn’t succeed anymore - Ukraine was lost to the Americans, with southeastern Ukraine it didn’t work at least as with the Donbass. It’s like a stalemate, which Obama can and wants to somehow complete by the end of the presidency. Perhaps they will agree on giving Donbass to Ukraine (with full forgiveness and not persecuting the participants, etc.), but they will not remember the Crimea, while they will not recognize it as part of Russia, but they will promise to lift the sanctions.
    Although, for many neocons and not only for them, the situation around Ukraine is not so bad - Russia is under sanctions, spending a lot of money on Crimea and Donbass, etc. Although, of course, they can be deceived, as with NATO and the unification of Germany.
    1. Altona
      Altona 16 January 2016 16: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: sevtrash
      The Americans didn’t quite succeed with Ukraine - Crimea and Donbass were torn off, the crisis, although the main goal was realized - Ukraine moved away from Russia at almost all levels and the countries were made enemies.

      ---------------------
      What's torn off there? Tear off your propaganda and the whole tear will end. Polls of 52% for Russia and "separatists" don't talk about anything on the air of Govnopolsky Moti? We are not enemies. The enmity is only in the heads of the Nazis. Get this shoblu and all the business.
  40. kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 January 2016 14: 55 New
    +8
    Quote: AleksL
    It was Putin who appeared in 1999 "out of nowhere." And Surkov was already deputy. Yeltsin's administration.

    ........ Surkov will be where he is asked to be. ... The post of assistant to the president (and in 1999, we recall, he started as an assistant to the head of the presidential administration) .........
    Surkov was an assistant, not a deputy. Administration.
    ......... On March 26, 1999, Putin was appointed secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, retaining the post of head of the FSB.
    By early May 1999, President B.N. Yeltsin decided to transfer his power to V.V. Putin.
    On August 5, at a meeting with V.V. Putin, B.N. Yeltsin announced that he wanted to appoint him the country's prime minister.
    On August 9, 1999 he was appointed First Deputy and Acting Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation. On the same day, in his televised address, President B. N. Yeltsin called him his successor ......
    I would not compare: they are in different "weight" categories.
    Surkov is a "dark horse", you need to look for roots in Chechnya, but THIS is another topic.
  41. Dimontius
    Dimontius 16 January 2016 15: 05 New
    0
    Vladimir Putin: "I am not a friend, not a bride or groom, I am the president of the Russian Federation. I defend the interests of 146 million people." And the point !!! Ukrainians are not included in these 146 million people. Therefore, for another betrayal (this time EURO and NATO), they received the most from us. For how many times will they come out dry from the water? The opportunity to leave Ukraine in our orbit was not possible, this is a 25-year American work that has given success. We had no time for that in those years.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 16 January 2016 18: 19 New
      -3
      Do the Syrians come in? What are the interests of the Russian 146 million people?
  42. Ima tsoh
    Ima tsoh 16 January 2016 15: 16 New
    +3
    the Americans have gone too far. There is a bidding on Russian territories. Why not bargain with Texas, Alaska, etc. ???
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
      0
      I think that when surrendering to Ukraine, read the USA, Donbass, I give more than 50% that not all Russians will be cut there, many will have time to take their feet to Russia. This is where we shelter them.
      And this is still better than if everyone is cut.
  43. 23424636
    23424636 16 January 2016 15: 22 New
    +2
    all these negotiations are talks that Minsk and Kaliningrad probably distract the attention of Kiev satraps from the desire to end Donbass. As for the inhabitants of this territory, this masquerade is nothing to us. Thousands of dead will not allow to desecrate their graves with the dirty boot of the killers.
  44. kaschey
    kaschey 16 January 2016 15: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Dimontius
    Vladimir Putin: "I am not a friend, not a bride or groom, I am the president of the Russian Federation. I defend the interests of 146 million people." And the point !!! Ukrainians are not included in these 146 million people. Therefore, for another betrayal (this time EURO and NATO), they received the most from us. For how many times will they come out dry from the water? The opportunity to leave Ukraine in our orbit was not possible, this is a 25-year American work that has given success. We had no time for that in those years.

    And who said that the interests of 146 million Russians do not depend on the interests of the fraternal peoples of neighboring states, these are only flowers, berries will be later. You need to think with your head and not with pockets full of petrodolars.
  45. Ima tsoh
    Ima tsoh 16 January 2016 15: 37 New
    +1
    The time has come and it's time to correct Gorbachev’s mistakes
  46. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 16 January 2016 15: 46 New
    +2
    Meeting anyone and nothing ... Nuland decides something in America? Really? Or does Surkov decide? Is it just a question of conveying to each other the points of view of states on the problem? Or, preparation for further meetings of more significant characters ...
  47. 1536
    1536 16 January 2016 16: 03 New
    +3
    This "presidential aide" has no one to drink tea with? Or does this Nulland put cannabis in her cookies, which is not welcomed in the Kremlin?
    All this Obama gang will be kicked out at the end of the year to a hair dryer, and there’s nothing to negotiate with them!
  48. rus-5819
    rus-5819 16 January 2016 17: 25 New
    0
    Quote: makst83
    The main thing is that this uncle does not take cookies from this aunt! laughing


    Yes, judging by the photo, Vika recognized the one who taught her how to express herself in Russian on a cargo ship.
    Maybe even now he reminded me of something, well, like where, on what they saw ...
  49. Gunther
    Gunther 16 January 2016 18: 04 New
    +3
    There is only one conclusion: either it is possible to compromise the two sides simultaneously, or ...

    As they see the "compromise" of the pendoshkans, the representative of the State Department D.Fried announced - the implementation of the Minsk Agreement and restoration of the "eastern border" Ukraine, and this means the physical elimination of all who fought with banderlota.
    NATO bases near the borders of Russia are the result of "compromises" with mattress mats.
  50. galakt
    galakt 16 January 2016 18: 10 New
    0
    "Brainstorming", in my opinion, is that it is time to remove the imposed sanctions, both from the United States and from the European pack of them, albeit separately. So it took to do it with the maximum benefit for yourself. The negotiations near Kaliningrad are expressed by the demand of the State Department representative to soften and reshuffle the clauses of the agreement on Minsk 2, which, however, will lead to the loss of their meaning. It seems like there is an agreement, but in fact it will be like the Norman dated February 21, 2014.