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Super Tucano batch arrives in Afghanistan

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The Afghan Air Force received from the US the first batch of light combat aircraft A-29 Super Tucano, reports MIC with reference to the Afghan Defense Ministry.




“Afghan pilots received four A-29 Super Tucano aircraft, which in the coming days will begin to provide air support to the Afghan security forces,” the report said.

Earlier it was reported that the Pentagon bought 20 of such aircraft specifically for the transfer of the Afghan Air Force. At the end of 2015, Afghan pilots were trained at the US Air Force Base in Georgia.

Help Agency: “A-29 Super Tucano is a multipurpose light attack aircraft developed by Embraer, a Brazilian company, based on the TCB EMB-314 Super Tucano. Maximum take-off weight of the aircraft - 5200 kg, wing span - 11,14 m, engine power - 1х1600 hp, maximum speed - 590 km / h, practical range - 1330 km, practical ceiling - 10670 person. Armed with two built-in 2-mm machine guns, it can carry guided and unguided rockets and bombs on hangers. ”

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  1. Alez
    Alez 16 January 2016 08: 45 New
    -6
    Flying unarmored trough. Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 January 2016 08: 48 New
      47
      Quote: Alez
      Flying unarmored trough. Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.

      Drive in the mountains of militias will do, but according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 16 January 2016 09: 05 New
        +5
        Drive in the mountains of militias will do, but according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.

        Yeah ... speed ... the height of combat work is not impressive just for portable anti-aircraft systems a good target ...
        from two points enter and will fall as well as helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass.
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 January 2016 09: 09 New
          +7
          Quote: The same Lech
          speed ... the height of combat work is not impressive

          Still impressive. Compare with the helicopters used by the Afghans.

          Quote: The same Lech
          just for portable anti-aircraft systems, the target is good ..

          And where did the militia of MANPADS come from? Will the CIA throw them again?

          Quote: The same Lech
          from two points enter and will fall as well as helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass.

          There and Boeing shot down on a train. Afghan militias are not capable of this.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 16 January 2016 09: 21 New
            0
            And where did the militia of MANPADS come from? Will the CIA throw them again?


            the Saudis will buy ... there is finally a black market.
            A couple of MANPADS militias may well get hold of ...
            it’s harder to just find a comfortable position to successfully bring down these light attack aircraft ...
            although on the approaches to the airfield, an ambush can be arranged.
            1. Professor
              Professor 16 January 2016 09: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: The same Lech
              the Saudis will buy ... there is finally a black market.

              The Saudis are not interested. The black market has not helped them yet. Why would it help now?

              Quote: The same Lech
              A couple of MANPADS militias may well get hold of ...

              Turning a turntable is even easier.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 16 January 2016 09: 30 New
                +2
                Why would it help now?

                They promise somewhere to blow up something in exchange for MANPADS .... business is nothing personal ...
                Well, time will tell ... the Taliban are inventive people ... they’ll come up with some kind of dirty trick.
                1. Temples
                  Temples 16 January 2016 13: 11 New
                  -2
                  If they put the trough of America, then it immediately becomes a formidable fighting flying monster !!!
                  And then authoritative specialists appear confirming the unsurpassed power of this trough.
                  Soooo very effective in ... more.
                  1. iouris
                    iouris 16 January 2016 17: 45 New
                    0
                    As I understand it, this aircraft, more precisely the LHC, has been produced for a long time, therefore, taking into account the American habit of transferring everything to green papers, the effectiveness of this LHC is beyond doubt.
                    The other side of the issue: the creation of such a piston aircraft in the Russian Federation is an almost impossible thing. The same An-2 flies on Wright-Cyclone engines, it seems, in 1936.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 16 January 2016 21: 24 New
                      +2
                      Quote: iouris
                      As I understand it, this aircraft, more precisely the LHC, has been produced for a long time, therefore, taking into account the American habit of transferring everything to green papers, the effectiveness of this LHC is beyond doubt.
                      The other side of the issue: the creation of such a piston aircraft in the Russian Federation is an almost impossible thing. The same An-2 flies on Wright-Cyclone engines, it seems, in 1936.
                      - Sorry for amateurism, but in terms of performance characteristics how does this SuperTukano differ from the same IL-2 from the Second World War? And have they really lost their competencies in piston aircraft engine manufacturing? Although it is not necessary. If you drive the Papuans when it is no longer necessary to test the newly created weapon systems, which are actually redundant even for ISIS fighters, then it is most optimal to create attack UAVs of different sizes (the process is underway) and upgrade the same Yak-130 for these purposes. And the Brazilians are not hard to buy - they did not announce sanctions and are not going to announce.
                      1. kot stepan
                        kot stepan 16 January 2016 23: 55 New
                        0
                        Very, very different from IL-2. And on the performance characteristics and conceptually.
                    2. kot stepan
                      kot stepan 16 January 2016 23: 54 New
                      +1
                      An-2 post-war machine. It was mass-produced from the 49th. The Super Tucano has a theater engine (turbine with a propeller, if in a simple way). And, in the Russian Federation they can build anything, there would be a desire.
              2. Dense taiga
                Dense taiga 16 January 2016 10: 45 New
                +5
                A very effective option, the main thing is cheap, and even if it has a better chance of being shot down, it is still more profitable than sending a V-52 to every gang.
              3. Lex.
                Lex. 16 January 2016 17: 44 New
                +1
                Professor offer our air force against the Palestinians such a plane
                1. Professor
                  Professor 16 January 2016 20: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Lex.
                  Professor offer our air force against the Palestinians such a plane

                  What for? The Air Force and I already have everything in a bundle.

                  Quote: yushch
                  No need to bother, professor, it was about the GOS MANPADS, and not ATGMs.

                  No need to mow under the fool. For MANPADS have their own GOS, and their own ATGM.

                  Quote: yushch
                  otya real professor himself will never take the nickname of the same name.

                  I am a professor of sour cabbage soup. This is common knowledge. wink

                  Quote: yushch
                  .I will probably surprise you, but the role of the thermos in which the engine is located is played by the cooling system, which in one way or another discharges heat from the engine to the atmosphere.

                  Your ignorance does not surprise me at all. By dumping heat into the atmosphere, the object “glows”. This is elementary.

                  Quote: zennon
                  During the multi-colored Muslim revolutions, in particular the Libyan Arab Spring, arsenals were looted in a number of countries. Yes, you yourself know that.

                  I know. However, the shelf life of those MANPADS has already expired. You can’t fix them on your knee. Syria is an example.

                  Quote: Tusv
                  What is the difference between a militia and a terrorist?

                  Nothing.
                  Quote: avt
                  And really - Why?

                  To the president on his birthday.

                  Quote: avt
                  And how many of those in the tsahal ,, Tukanov "and yet how many of them grind Gaza?

                  I do not know. Cruise missiles are not fired at.

                  Quote: iouris
                  And how much shekels does it cost to intercept penny missiles made by extremists (of course) with the help of the Iron Kumpol?

                  How much were you willing to give in order to find a super cheap jar from under Kola in which the BB that destroyed your ship over Sinai was located? There we are. We look not at how much the Hamas rocket costs, but how much harm it can bring.
              4. Lex.
                Lex. 16 January 2016 17: 44 New
                +1
                Professor offer our air force against the Palestinians such a plane
              5. Scraptor
                Scraptor 20 January 2016 11: 36 New
                0
                it’s harder, and reactive
            2. clidon
              clidon 16 January 2016 09: 26 New
              +4
              it’s harder to just find a comfortable position to successfully bring down these light attack aircraft ...
              although on the approaches to the airfield, an ambush can be arranged.

              Well then cancel the aircraft?
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 16 January 2016 09: 33 New
                +3
                Well then cancel the aircraft?


                In no case... smile ... it’s cheaper to buy Taliban leaders ... at least for the time of the departure of these attack aircraft.

                The war is not decided by the supply of a dozen light attack aircraft,
                all the more so in AFGHANISTAN where everything is so intricately intertwined in a society of diverse tribes.
            3. dustycat
              dustycat 16 January 2016 09: 51 New
              -3
              I put on the fact that they will buy MANPADS from the Chinese.
              Although it is more guaranteed you can dump it with Cornet or an analogue (just don’t need to yell that it’s unrealistic - it's difficult).
              The problem with dumping this aircraft from MANPADS is that with a sharp drop in engine speed for infrared MANPADS, it will become invisible (as confirmed by the Falkland crisis).
              Given that the reduction and landing occurs on very small gases, it is easier to lay down with the DShK on the axis of the strip.
              Or catch it on takeoff and set when the speed is guaranteed full.
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 January 2016 09: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: dustycat
                I put on the fact that they will buy MANPADS from the Chinese.

                The Chinese do not support the militias in Afghanistan.

                Quote: dustycat
                Although it is more guaranteed you can dump it with Cornet or an analogue (just don’t need to yell that it’s unrealistic - it's difficult).

                Stop fantasizing.

                Quote: dustycat
                The problem with dumping this aircraft from MANPADS is that with a sharp drop in engine speed for infrared MANPADS, it will become invisible (as confirmed by the Falkland crisis).

                Seriously? with a sharp reset of engine speed, he manages to cool? lol
                1. Darkoff
                  Darkoff 16 January 2016 10: 51 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Professor

                  Seriously? with a sharp reset of engine speed, he manages to cool? lol

                  It was about the intensity of the exhaust. The engine is hidden in a well-cooled atmosphere of the fuselage.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 16 January 2016 11: 25 New
                    +2
                    Quote: DarkOFF
                    It was about the intensity of the exhaust. The engine is hidden in a well-cooled atmosphere of the fuselage.

                    Well-cooled means with good heat transfer. Those. intense heat transfer to the atmosphere. Hello from the GOS. wink

                    Quote: yushch
                    The first time I hear that the thermal GOS MANPADS are induced on a hot engine, and not a heat stream from it.

                    Do you have an engine in a thermos or slowed down and your engine became invisible?

                    Quote: yushch
                    In this case, MANPADS could be used against armored vehicles.

                    IR GOS and so are used in anti-tank systems. Is this news for you?

                    Quote: aleks26
                    There’s nothing to compare. The combat capabilities of helicopters such as MI-24 / MI-8 and their various clones far exceed the capabilities of this pepelats.

                    1. Papelac is just a rotorcraft by definition.
                    2. Compare the combat capabilities of the Crocodile and this aircraft.

                    Quote: avt
                    It was decided to the campaign that the spirits with their experience of REAL battles since the days of the USSR and the presence of the MZA are akin to the Khamaz people? Or what kind of heroes of the intifada "c" revolutionary "sling?

                    Well, okay. Alien enemies are always weak, and their enemies are the most powerful in the world. See how these "hamaSovtsy" hammering a regular army of Assad.
                    1. yushch
                      yushch 16 January 2016 12: 03 New
                      +3
                      No need to bother, professor, it was about the GOS MANPADS, not ATGMs. And you shouldn’t be smart either, although a real professor will never take a nickname of his own. I will surprise you, but the role of the thermos in which the engine is located is played by the cooling system, which in one way or another, it removes heat from the engine's operation into the atmosphere. Therefore, the GOS MANPADS is aimed at the thermal spectrum of the ejection of a jet stream or the exhaust of a turboprop engine.
                2. yushch
                  yushch 16 January 2016 11: 06 New
                  +2
                  [quote = professor] [quote = dustycat]
                  Seriously? with a sharp reset of engine speed, he manages to cool? lol[/ Quote]

                  The first time I heard that a thermal GOS MANPADS are aimed at a hot engine, and not a heat stream from it. In this case, MANPADS could be used against armored vehicles.
                  1. WUA 518
                    WUA 518 16 January 2016 11: 26 New
                    +6
                    Quote: yushch
                    GOS MANPADS are aimed at the hot engine, not the heat stream from it

                    IKGSN are induced by thermal radiation of a certain range.
                    Quote: yushch
                    case MANPADS could be used against armored vehicles.

                    A gamble, a small mass of warheads, and the warhead itself is a high-explosive fragmentation with a circular expansion of fragments.
                  2. mav1971
                    mav1971 16 January 2016 11: 39 New
                    +3
                    [quote = yushch] [quote = professor] [quote = dustycat]
                    Seriously? with a sharp reset of engine speed, he manages to cool? lol[/ Quote]

                    For the first time I hear that thermal GOS MANPADS are aimed at the hot engine, and not the heat stream from it. In this case, MANPADS could be used against armored vehicles. [/ Quote]

                    IR heads are in contrast.
                    At least they can pay a visit to a cigarette - if meters behind 40.
                    By BTR \ BMP - there are cases of successful use. failure is guaranteed.
                    There were also cases on tanks - but the effect is not enough.
                    1. yushch
                      yushch 16 January 2016 12: 07 New
                      +1
                      [quote = mav1971] [quote = yushch] [quote = professor] [quote = dustycat]
                      Seriously? with a sharp reset of engine speed, he manages to cool? lol[/ Quote]

                      For the first time I hear that thermal GOS MANPADS are aimed at the hot engine, and not the heat stream from it. In this case, MANPADS could be used against armored vehicles. [/ Quote]

                      IR heads are in contrast.
                      At least they can pay a visit to a cigarette - if meters behind 40.
                      By BTR \ BMP - there are cases of successful use. failure is guaranteed.
                      There were cases on tanks too - but the effect is not enough. [/ Quote]

                      Regarding the successful use of MANPADS in armored vehicles, I heard this tale from my battalion commander when I came to serve as the commander of an air defense squadron of a platoon in the 1st battalion of the 21st Airborne Brigade. He did not give concrete evidence, but simply referred to his Afghan experience.
              2. donavi49
                donavi49 16 January 2016 10: 51 New
                +4
                If they buy MANPADS, they will spend them on slow, tasty and very tempting goals - for example, Chinuki, CH-53, BlackHawks and others who give a steady grip, slowly flies.

                Try to capture the toucan, there is a small signature. Plus, it can operate above 3000 meters.
                1. Rus86
                  Rus86 16 January 2016 15: 17 New
                  +1
                  current there is a mountainous region, at the theater of action far beyond 1000 OVER
              3. kot stepan
                kot stepan 16 January 2016 23: 59 New
                0
                Was this aircraft notorious during the Falkland War for becoming the first victim of the Stinger MANPADS?
          2. PAM
            PAM 16 January 2016 10: 19 New
            +7
            in principle, for patrolling and destroying communications in the controlled territories of terrorists and all kinds of separatists, the plane should be good, cheap both in operation (a good replacement for a helicopter flies a little faster and less noisy and the hour of operation should be several times less) and for the price, the question is only how many for all kinds of systems and training years. and those. personnel cut down by Americans from Iraq?
            In the mountains, when flying at low average altitudes, any device will be at risk of MANPADS destruction, be it an antediluvian whatnot, or at least a modern fighter.
          3. aleks26
            aleks26 16 January 2016 10: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Compare with the helicopters used by the Afghans.

            There’s nothing to compare. The combat capabilities of helicopters such as MI-24 / MI-8 and their various clones far exceed the capabilities of this pepelats. In terms of armament, load, reservation, and a set of tasks to be solved. Toucano has only one plus - ease of use.
          4. zennon
            zennon 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            And where did the militia of MANPADS come from? Will the CIA throw them again?

            During the multi-colored Muslim revolutions, in particular the Libyan Arab Spring, arsenals were looted in a number of countries. Yes, you yourself know that. The answer is obvious. Yes and shots taken by independent Turkish journalists about how Turkey transports weapons under the guise of humanitarian aid to the whole world It’s another matter that I myself am sympathetic to a light helicopter attack aircraft. It is not expensive, it can carry tons and a half loads. The speed is twice as high as that of helicopters. We would have worked like that. With our traditions, we could have composed a chic car. Hang a pair of 30-mm cannons. And for export, that’s it. You just need a good theater of action in 1800-2000 kW ...
            1. gangut
              gangut 16 January 2016 20: 16 New
              0
              but why compose, along the IL-2 is not very different from this aircraft. Although if you take IL2 and stuff modern materials into it, you can also get a good car. and indeed in Afghanistan, the level of education just pulls on the Second World War. so it’s not surprising that cars with a propeller
          5. Scraptor
            Scraptor 20 January 2016 11: 25 New
            0
            But they don’t have a Su-25, 30mm gun holes that haven’t disappeared anywhere, just like the illumination on the radar ... professor, the largest damaging elements of the BUK are half as many - in Israel, all hutspas have more brains?
        2. RDX
          RDX 17 January 2016 12: 09 New
          0
          yes you will knock him down from a karamultuk, and from the hip)))
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 16 January 2016 09: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Alez
        Flying unarmored trough. Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.

        Drive in the mountains of militias will do, but according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.

        The plane was created specifically for counter-guerrilla warfare, but not in the mountains, so that there it will not be effective (I thought that only we "get it as always") belay
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 16 January 2016 09: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: NIKNN
          but not in the mountains, so that there it will not be effective (

          Ага.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 16 January 2016 10: 55 New
          14
          Quote: NIKNN
          The plane was created specifically for counter-guerrilla warfare, but not in the mountains, so that there it will not be effective (I thought that only we "get it as always")

          Greetings, Nikolay! Sorry, but I don’t think so. The vulnerability of light attack aircraft is very exaggerated and in any case it is lower than that of combat helicopters. Currently, the same "Super Tucano" have a very wide range of weapons, including guided ones, which makes it possible to strike without entering the fire zone of the PGI and DShK.
          At one time, I dedicated a series of publications to similar aircraft, look if you're interested.
          Modern anti-guerrilla aircraft. Part 1
          http://topwar.ru/51864-sovremennye-protivopartizanskie-samolety-chast-1-ya.html
          Modern anti-guerrilla aircraft. Part 2
          http://topwar.ru/51986-sovremennye-protivopartizanskie-samolety-chast-2-ya.html
          Are the “Ganships” back?
          http://topwar.ru/58313-ganshipy-vozvraschayutsya-.html
          "Counterpartis Aviation". Part 1
          http://topwar.ru/42151-protivopartizanskaya-aviaciya-chast-1-ya.html
          "Counterpartis Aviation". Part 2
          http://topwar.ru/42219-protivopartizanskaya-aviaciya-chast-2-ya.html
          1. zennon
            zennon 16 January 2016 18: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            At one time, I dedicated a series of publications to similar planes,

            So these were your articles?! Very interesting, I read it with pleasure. I personally am very impressed with this idea. It would be necessary for our military to consider this issue. What a smart car, given our traditions, could be composed! Just need a good theater.
      3. Infernal man
        Infernal man 16 January 2016 10: 01 New
        -2
        Oh, what are you talking about. Here, even MANPADS are not needed - they will suffer from conventional small arms. Mujahideen from grandfather flintlocks will land such a maize.
        1) Lack of reservation.
        2) The absence of sane weapons with a sufficient (safe) range.

        Unless, as a scout, use it, and even then, only for visual observation.
        Not ... this type of technology is no longer relevant, alas. Although I really like, I love small aircraft.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 16 January 2016 12: 06 New
          +7
          Yeah, a lot of "Messers" in the Second World War from conventional small arms nambali.
          1. iouris
            iouris 16 January 2016 17: 49 New
            0
            There was a case: in the poem "Vasily Terkin" there is a whole chapter.
          2. Infernal man
            Infernal man 18 January 2016 12: 45 New
            0
            Do you think you didn’t shoot down ???
            other times, other possibilities, different density of fire.
            Now they have not only DShKs.
      4. RUS96
        RUS96 16 January 2016 10: 19 New
        0
        Iron iron, and a downed pilot? Does he also have a price?
      5. vanya
        vanya 16 January 2016 10: 38 New
        0
        you can drive on partisans with something similar to silt 2, but on this you can easily run into the line from a machine gun or machine gun.
      6. avt
        avt 16 January 2016 11: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Drive in the mountains of militias will do, but according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.

        laughing It was decided to the campaign that the spirits with their experience of REAL battles since the days of the USSR and the presence of the MZA are akin to the Khamaz people? Or what kind of heroes of the intifada "c" revolutionary "sling? I would like to look at the idiot who pokes into the mountains at this training camp, to storm the gorges, and even to the Pamir Tajiks in Pandscher.
        Quote: The same Lech
        h for portable anti-aircraft systems the target is good ...

        Why spend expensive equipment on IT? There are a lot of DShK, ZPU-1, ZPU-2, ZPU-4, but ZU-23-2 is enough for the eyes in general - only feathers will fly in different directions from this “attack aircraft.” They have been calculating all this old equipment for years wars have already been prepared in more than one generation. What, what, and they can shoot spirits. Previously, it was reported that the Pentagon bought 20 of these aircraft specifically for the transfer to the Afghan Navy. "That's exactly what the Afghan Navy ONLY laughing these airplanes will come in handy ... for an Afghan aircraft carrier. laughing In short - for those gods, sho is no good for us, well, if you don’t pay the Russians again for the Milew turntables - there will be enough Mac Kane kondrashka.
      7. Horst78
        Horst78 16 January 2016 11: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Drive in the mountains of militias will do, but according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.

        I agree. For the Aghan army just right.
        Quote: Alez
        Flying unarmored trough. Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.

        You offer them to supply F-35 or at least F-15? lol
      8. Tusv
        Tusv 16 January 2016 13: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Drive in the mountains of militias

        What is the difference between a militia and a terrorist? A militia frees his land. The terrorist scares foreign lands. Something like this
      9. Lex.
        Lex. 16 January 2016 17: 41 New
        +2
        This enterprise is doubtful, against arrows, and dshk doesn’t have so many chances for the USSR to use the yak-5? but nothing happened
        http://topwar.ru/81046-yak-52b-nesostoyavshiysya-borec-s-partizanami.html
      10. The comment was deleted.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 16 January 2016 17: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Lex.
          This enterprise is doubtful, against arrows, and dshk doesn’t have so many chances for the USSR to use the yak-5? but nothing happened

          Comrades from Israel confirm my arguments ... These cans are designed for other purposes!
      11. Agent J
        Agent J 18 January 2016 00: 57 New
        0
        They flew on something similar in the middle of the last century ... a bit old hi
    2. Sweles
      Sweles 16 January 2016 09: 13 New
      -6
      straying from any slingshot, now everyone has automatic rifles, so the fire density is higher than in 2mv, and as for the MANPADS, this is their client with a probability close to 1c, it’s even a pity to launch a rocket, it’s not possible to integrate the past into the present ...
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 16 January 2016 10: 34 New
        19
        Quote: Sveles
        , now all have machine guns, so the density of fire is higher

        If I had a gun in my hands, and this would fly at me .... I would prefer to take refuge rather than tempt fate. A bomb or a rocket kills the same way, regardless of whether it is dropped from a Tu-160 or a maize.
        1. aleks26
          aleks26 16 January 2016 11: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: WUA 518
          If I had a gun in my hands, and this would fly at me .... I would prefer to take refuge rather than tempt fate.

          They have a different mentality. All the will of Allah. An honorable death and you are in the hands of gentle gentlemen. So not everyone will hide.
        2. Sweles
          Sweles 16 January 2016 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: WUA 518
          if I had a gun in my hands, and this would fly at me ...


          people like you don’t take into astronauts, and you don’t even need to be in the army, but if a company fired from automatic rifles on this pterodactyl, then there will be a sieve, however, several mujahideen will be enough ...
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 16 January 2016 11: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: Sveles
            people like you don’t take in astronauts,

            Never torn there.
            Quote: Sveles
            Yes, and the army is also not worth it

            This is not for you to decide, and I have already served mine.
            Quote: Sveles
            but if a company fires from automatic weapons

            Heroes posthumously. The average height of combat use is such a term familiar?
    3. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 16 January 2016 09: 40 New
      11
      With its maneuverability, low speed and small size, in the mountains it will be more effective than jet ones. A good tool for fine jewelry.
    4. tol100v
      tol100v 16 January 2016 10: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: Alez
      Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.


      This is not trash, but a vehicle for inspecting poppy plantations!
    5. alone
      alone 16 January 2016 12: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: Alez
      Flying unarmored trough.

      If they sold the An-2, you would now give a lecture here on the cool capabilities of the An-2.
      Quote: Alez
      Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.


      Afghanistan didn’t pay a penny for these planes. The Pentagon paid. So, it’s fused like an incorrect wording
    6. iouris
      iouris 16 January 2016 17: 24 New
      0
      And if you install our Hephaestus on it? Again, is it not this company, which, in principle, Boeing, has fused the SSJ-100 in the Russian Federation and has already released a more advanced version of the competitor?
    7. wow
      wow 16 January 2016 20: 57 New
      +1
      In my opinion, a very good airplane for solving some problems.
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 January 2016 08: 47 New
    +9
    Something I have a vague suspicion about the account of these aircraft ... But are you going to transport heroin?
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 16 January 2016 22: 33 New
      0
      One hundred% what are the Taliban all for gerych!
  3. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 16 January 2016 08: 47 New
    +6
    well, driving the igil and the Taliban in the mountains is quite enough.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 January 2016 08: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      well, driving the igil and the Taliban in the mountains is quite enough.

      Well, I don’t know ... In Afghanistan, the masters of the dushmans were knocking ours, and this can be full of holes in Kalash!
      for other purposes these planes are clearly!
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 16 January 2016 09: 32 New
        14
        Quote: MIKHAN
        and this can from Kalash can be full of holes!

        Guys, well, you sort of figure it out! Then you are ready to send any training aircraft to war. A little article about the Yak-130, right there: Let's go to Syria !!!! And why didn’t this aircraft please you? Turboprop light attack aircraft. Enhanced in the fight against partisans, there is experience in the use and operation, there are weapons, there are on-board equipment. What's the matter then?
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 16 January 2016 10: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: WUA 518
          What's the matter then?

          In dushmans ... They shoot accurately! hi
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 16 January 2016 10: 20 New
            +6
            Quote: MIKHAN
            In dushmans ... They shoot accurately!

            Vital, as it were, is more a myth than the truth. Here is a link on the losses of our Air Force in Afghanistan, check out and see how much aircraft was lost from small arms fire. http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/369301
          2. Horst78
            Horst78 16 January 2016 11: 58 New
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            MIKHAN (9) RU Today, 10: 03 ↑

            Quote: WUA 518
            What's the matter then?

            In dushmans ... They shoot accurately! hi

            Shoot at a ground target and aerial targets are two big differences. Dushmans are accustomed to shoot at 2D, so to speak, and aviation is already 3D. Although there was a case in Iraq when a local Apache shot down a Apache with a rifle wassat . hi
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 16 January 2016 12: 12 New
              +4
              Shoot at a ground target and aerial targets are two big differences. Dushmans are accustomed to shoot at 2D, so to speak, and aviation is already 3D. Although there was a case in Iraq when a local Apache shot down a Apache with a rifle

              there was a case in Iraq that a local helicopter in the garden found a fallen helicopter in his garden

              The Apache Hunter said that he did not shoot down a helicopter, and the story itself was fabricated by the Iraqi authorities to raise the morale of the army, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the Kuwaiti newspaper Ar-Rai Al-Amm.
              In an interview with the newspaper, Iraqi peasant Ali Abid bin Mangash said he found Apache without a crew on his field on March 22. He reported this to the authorities, and by noon an Iraqi television crew and a senior Ba'ath party representative arrived on the field
            2. avt
              avt 16 January 2016 12: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Horst78
              Shoot at a ground target and aerial targets are two big differences. Dushmans are used to shoot in 2D, so to speak, and aviation is already 3D.

              laughing In general, had a living spirit ?? I don’t ask how to shoot them. And then judging by
              Quote: Horst78
              so to speak in 2D, and aviation is already 3D.

              Somehow it comes to mind - ,, Mom!
              He is not punk, he is not hippy, he is not heavy metal,
              He is not a major, not a party-goer, mom, he is not a Buddhist,
              He doesn't smell glue, he doesn't smoke grass,
              He finishes any Kung Fu theorist. "BUT! Only on the Internet, or to the extreme in a 3D movie theater laughing
              1. Horst78
                Horst78 16 January 2016 12: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: avt

                laughing Do you have to see a living spirit ?? I don’t ask how to shoot them. And then judging by
                Quote: Horst78
                so to speak in 2D, and aviation is already 3D.

                Understand humor laughing In geometry, they probably gave 3 at school? laughing
                1. avt
                  avt 16 January 2016 13: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Horst78
                  In geometry, they probably gave 3 at school?
                  Of the exact sciences, he was not friends with physics because of its relativity. wassat Well, if it’s very interesting. Well, and as an Alaverdi Taki how to look at the spirit of the Afghan?
                  Quote: Jovanni
                  . Maybe this is necessary for the basmachi ...

                  Here the Baspachians, especially from the 20s and 30s, had enough of R-3 and other biplanes, and then they shot at them somehow, but it’s really possible to disperse the current crap only on the Internet, or in the movies, in the movie and, in general, like Ramba - this knife is enough, and with a bow it’s scary to think at all what you can do laughing Speaking of cinema - watch the old movie, “And the Dawns Here Are Quiet”, well, if you are reluctant to look for a chronicle of the Afghan won from the spirits, it’s the calculation of ZPU-4 that’s been removed.
                  1. Horst78
                    Horst78 17 January 2016 04: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: avt
                    avt (3) RU Yesterday, 13: 54 ↑

                    Quote: Horst78
                    In geometry, they probably gave 3 at school?
                    Of the exact sciences, he was not friends with physics because of its relativity wassat

                    Physics is just an exact discipline. But mathematics is a complete mess. What is the difference between a round square and a square circle?
  4. jovanni
    jovanni 16 January 2016 08: 48 New
    +5
    I remembered something: ... a good snack - sauerkraut, and it’s not a shame to serve it up, and they’ll eat it up - it’s not a pity ... Maybe this is necessary for the basmachi ...
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    2. a.hamster55
      a.hamster55 16 January 2016 09: 34 New
      +9
      ... but you must have meat snacks at home fellow
      1. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 16 January 2016 11: 11 New
        +1
        This is the device! ... The first time I SEE THIS. Thank you for the photo. If it’s not difficult to drop the link to the source.
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        2. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 16 January 2016 18: 30 New
          +1
          Sorry, but this was a long time ago - I won’t find it! Or maybe it's a selfie ... lol
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 16 January 2016 11: 23 New
        +2
        Shooting from such a “garbage” is probably very effective, well, okay. I'm more interested in the reloading process ... in the air ... in battle.
        Quote: a.hamster55
        ... but you must have meat snacks at home fellow
  5. made13
    made13 16 January 2016 08: 51 New
    +5
    Chasing the highlanders is enough, but you still need to get into the small-sized goal, if there is anything, of course.
  6. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 16 January 2016 08: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: Alez
    Flying unarmored trough. Again the trash was fused to the Afghans.


    Well, how's the trough ..? Flies, can carry a couple of bombs, NURS blocks can be pulled back again. It’s just one of the few things that Afghans can be taught to fly in a short time, they also need to be served somehow. And as for armored, so such aircraft in general units. Well, the Afghans will not pull more sophisticated equipment ... Then, as I understand it, the planes are new, specially ordered for them.
  7. Dembel77
    Dembel77 16 January 2016 08: 56 New
    -2
    How do the staffers not quit? Do they really not understand that the establishment of democracy in Afghanistan cannot be resolved by military means?
    Price war

    In the course of hostilities and terrorist acts to date, 13700 Afghan military and police officers, 3420 NATO troops have died, of which 2175 American soldiers and officers. Losses of the opposite side, the Taliban and al-Qaeda militants, according to various sources, range from 20 thousand to 35 thousand.

    About 40 thousand civilians died. At the same time, from the actions of anti-government forces - about 70%, the remaining 30% on the conscience of NATO, UN and government forces. There were casualties in Pakistan, where as a result of the bombing killed about 3500 civilians who had nothing to do with terrorists.

    War has a monetary value. Since 2001, the United States has spent only 104 billion dollars on the creation of institutions of power, as well as on financial injections into the economy of Afghanistan.
  8. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 16 January 2016 08: 57 New
    +4
    How many are there? 20 pcs. Let's see how long they run under the control of the Afghans.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 16 January 2016 09: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Let's see how long they run under the control of the Afghans

      Afghan pilots on this plane are trained in the United States. According to experts, the plane is very unpretentious in maintenance.
    2. avt
      avt 16 January 2016 11: 32 New
      0
      Quote: LÄRZ
      How many are there? 20 pcs. Let's see how long they run under the control of the Afghans.

      Somewhere in the hangar at Bagram airfield? For a long time, local Afghans are not morons - theorists. This is here on the site, headed by the Professor, to argue by type
      Quote: made13
      Chasing the highlanders is enough, but you still need to get into the small-sized goal, if there is anything, of course.
      can. Since the time the troops of the USSR were brought in, REALLY, and not on the Internet and not with keys, but the DShK, KPV and ZU-23 have been fighting, I’m not talking about MANPADS, so it’s definitely not among the pilots to go where the spirits really sit. So if they lose it, then when they are covered with RSom from the adjacent mountains, they can even level it up, put it on fire and put it on fire towards the airport five or ten pieces, run away, then let it go again.
  9. sa-ag
    sa-ag 16 January 2016 08: 59 New
    +2
    IL-2, only with a turboprop engine, it is strange that there is no armor
  10. Tjeck
    Tjeck 16 January 2016 09: 00 New
    +3
    Nice bug - I would drive, sorry not a millionaire .. recourse
  11. Stas157
    Stas157 16 January 2016 09: 06 New
    +2
    Yes, yes, the last century, but what difference does it make than bombing bandits from a height of 6 thousand meters! But, probably not cheap, in comparison with the F-35!
    1. aleks26
      aleks26 16 January 2016 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      what difference does it make than to bomb bandits from a height of 6 thousand meters!

      And papadet from such a height? Or have bliss guided bombs? Not even funny.
  12. sergi612
    sergi612 16 January 2016 09: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Tjeck
    Nice bug - I would drive, sorry not a millionaire ..

    Almost the same thing came to mind :)
  13. lexx2038
    lexx2038 16 January 2016 09: 11 New
    +4
    It seems to me that something similar would also come in handy in Syria, it’s cheap and cheerful to drive carts and fuel trucks. It is only necessary that he could hang longer in the air - on a free hunt.
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 January 2016 09: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: lexx2038
      It seems to me that something similar would also come in handy in Syria, it’s cheap and cheerful to drive carts and fuel trucks. It is only necessary that he could hang longer in the air - on a free hunt.

      What for? In Syria, you can cruise missiles worth 10 missiles - one Super Tucano aircraft.
      1. avt
        avt 16 January 2016 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        What for? In Syria, you can cruise missiles worth 10 missiles - one Super Tucano aircraft.

        And really - Why? And how many of those in the tsahal ,, Tukanov "and yet how many of them grind Gaza? wassat
      2. iouris
        iouris 16 January 2016 17: 38 New
        +3
        And how much shekels does it cost to intercept penny missiles made by extremists (of course) with the help of the Iron Kumpol?
        1. avt
          avt 16 January 2016 18: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          And how much shekels does it cost to intercept penny missiles made by extremists (of course) with the help of the Iron Kumpol?

          laughing good By criterion
          Quote: Professor
          and according to the criterion of price-effectiveness and even more so.
          to intercept converted water pipes.
  14. Avis24
    Avis24 16 January 2016 09: 12 New
    +2
    He has technical characteristics close to IL-2. So it’s suitable for that war.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 16 January 2016 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Avis24
      He has technical characteristics close to IL-2. So for that war


      Well, what are you talking about, carry one bomb?
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 16 January 2016 10: 05 New
        +2
        Why one at a time?
        A large bum of type 100 or 500 is needed for hollowing fortifications and fortifications.
        Practice shows that for driving someone like mujahideen / partisans and their caravans in the mountains, 1-2 kg shrapnel bombs or 40-60 mm caliber NURS or napalm packaged in 20-30 kg packs are more efficient.
        And this is a decent amount of loading in pieces.
        Well, to throw 500kg from hovering with 5-9 thousand and a rotorcraft is possible.
        Especially since there are a lot of such goals in the mountains.
  15. donavi49
    donavi49 16 January 2016 09: 27 New
    +6
    This is not IL-2, it is a shock UAV for the poor. Accordingly, the goals are similar, to shine TPV, to adjust artillery fire, to strike with GBU or free-falling ones.

    The question is, what kind of ECO does the Afghan have, if modern Tales, then the machine is very good and advanced. If the old TPV / NVD of the past generation, then worse.
  16. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 16 January 2016 09: 34 New
    +1
    If there is an American pilot in the kit for each aircraft, then it makes sense. If the pilot is not included, then all this in vain ...
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 January 2016 09: 38 New
    0
    Miracles, at such a price, it would be better if our Yak 130 were adapted, there’s more sense. In order to take 3-4 tons of bombs onto someone’s head, our plane will fly one, and this needs two. The stall speed is almost the same, while the maximum speed does not go into any comparison. Well, the landlord’s business, apparently someone who shared with someone.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 16 January 2016 09: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Ros 56
      In order to take someone 3-4 tons of bombs to our head, our plane will fly one

      Well, yes, in order to drop 3-4 tons of bombs on a Toyota with a DShK, you need something very high-tech.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 16 January 2016 09: 53 New
      +7
      For starters, Tucano has long been on the market, working in 16 countries, including the USA, there is a history of application, training programs, good results in the development of banana republics. The aircraft is serial and is completed under the customer with the latest set of equipment.

      The Yak-130 is a clean training aircraft that does not have a normal ECO, cannot use guided bombs, moreover, only OKB crew boards generally flew using pencils / cast iron and guns. Combat sides and pilots learn to fly exclusively.

      Impact modification has only to be created. At the same time, it was bought initially, as soon as possible in operation. That is, only serial options were considered. There, Super Tucano had a competitor only IL-2 (which, according to the IL-2 concept) - CombatTractor, but it was dismissed as complicated and heavy for Afghanistan.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2016 09: 44 New
    +3
    Why argue in vain. Time will show all the pros and cons. The main thing is that they bought the United States for the Afghans, but they don’t look at the gifted horse in the mouth.
  19. dzerzhinsky
    dzerzhinsky 16 January 2016 09: 58 New
    +4
    Our attack aircraft IL-10 model 1944 was no worse. If you stay, then you can sell to Afghanistan. Hitlerites beat and with dushmany would have dealt.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 16 January 2016 10: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Dzerzhinsky
      If you stay, then you can sell to Afghanistan.

      Do you think they stayed or not?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 16 January 2016 19: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: WUA 518
        Do you think they stayed or not?

        San drinks But you and I have already discussed all this a couple of years ago winked laughing
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 January 2016 10: 33 New
    +2
    According to the parameters - better IL 10, only not armored. Well, so the Americans in World War II used unarmored heavy fighters like Tempest and Korsar for attack, and ours, and plywood and percale Yaks. Who does not believe, I advise you to read the memories of the pilots of the Normandy-Niemen squadron.
  21. Zheka40
    Zheka40 16 January 2016 11: 14 New
    0
    And who will fly on them?
  22. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 16 January 2016 11: 26 New
    +1
    Do these aircraft have experience in real combat? Where did they fight, tell me who is in the know.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 January 2016 17: 51 New
      0
      Designed for use in South America. The United States has many goals there.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 16 January 2016 11: 35 New
    +3
    Maybe you should think and make a modern vision of the IL-10M
    if he had such parameters 70 years ago, then what can be done today.
    Wingspan, m 14.00
    Length, m 11.87
    Height, m ​​4.24
    Wing area, m2 33.00
    Weight, kg
    empty 5570 aircraft
    normal takeoff 7100
    Engine type 1 PD Mikulin AM-42
    Power, hp
    flight 1 x 1750
    takeoff 1 x 2000
    Maximum speed km / h
    off the ground xnumx
    at height 512
    Practical range, km 1070
    Rate of climb, m / min 476
    Practical ceiling, m 7000
    Crew, people 2
    Armament: four 23-mm guns NR-23, fixed, twin in the wing (600 shells), on the rear unit of the shooter one gun B-20 EN (150 shells).
    Bomb load: 400-600 kg caliber from 1 to 100 kg in the bomb section of the center section.
    Eight RS-82 shells or four PC-132 shells could be suspended under the wing.
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 January 2016 15: 41 New
      +1
      In modern conditions, in the absence of a specific front line and a smeared, large or focal battle area, small aircraft are of little use because of the small radius of action.
      In Syria, for example, the Su-34 was very useful because of the large radius.
      There are no MiG-29 fighters in Syria. Although they are multifunctional, they do not fly far, therefore they use the Su-30, which cannot work on the ground, but the radius is large.
      And there is another good class of aircraft from the Americans: ship-gun. Like a transporter with a cannon shooting down a side down. It flies in a circle at an inaccessible height and knocks down all highlighted or coordinate targets. In Syria, this would be very useful.
      1. avt
        avt 16 January 2016 21: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Genry
        MiG-29 fighters in Syria are not.

        Oh yeah !? wassat And who just now participated in a joint Su-25! ?? laughing
        Quote: Genry
        Therefore, they use the Su-30, which can not work on the ground, but the radius is large.

        Yah !??? So ours cannot, but there are no others there, to work on the land ???
        Quote: Genry
        And there is another good class of aircraft from the Americans: ship-gun.

        Maybe Ganship ,, Spectrum? Can it really be a reluctance to learn the materiel, first at least work as a search engine, and then scribble comments?
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 17 January 2016 06: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Genry
        MiG-29 fighters in Syria are not.

        How is it not, and what is it at the airfield near Damascus? what
  24. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 16 January 2016 19: 25 New
    +6
    “They don’t look at the gifted Tucano under the hood.”
  25. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 16 January 2016 21: 22 New
    -1
    They would have taken the 109th Messer into service. lol
  26. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 17 January 2016 08: 44 New
    +5
    In vain "foolishly" about the "piston" aircraft. In fact, the effectiveness of aviation technology, not least depends on such a criterion as "cost-effectiveness", but according to this criterion, "piston" aircraft are beyond competition. The purchase price of a “piston” aircraft is lower than that of a jet, but the main cost of its operation is simply not comparable with the same cost for a jet. A fuel-powered “piston” aircraft consumes several times lower than a jet one, “plaque” of the engine is much larger, repair is also easier and cheaper. The time of after-flight and pre-flight maintenance of a “piston” aircraft is much shorter than that of a jet. In addition, the training of flight and technical personnel is simpler and not so high requirements for them. So, do not laugh at the "piston" "obsolete" aircraft. By the way, during the Vietnam War, the A-1 Skyraider piston attack aircraft http://topwar.ru/28278-a-1-skayreyder-posledniy-iz-mogikan.html was one of the most efficient aircraft and successfully competed on assignments with their more modern jet counterparts.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 17 January 2016 08: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      In vain "foolishly" about the "piston" aircraft. In fact, the effectiveness of aviation technology, not least depends on such a criterion as "cost-effectiveness", but according to this criterion, "piston" aircraft are beyond competition.

      I agree with you, it was precisely according to the results of the combat use of the A-1 in Southeast Asia that many "counter-guerrilla" light attack aircraft were created. With the right tactics of use, these machines are not vulnerable to anti-aircraft fire and MANPADS, and measures to increase survivability allow them to "keep" damage from small arms. But still a turboprop engine for such machines is preferable. hi
      1. Infernal man
        Infernal man 18 January 2016 13: 00 New
        -1
        You will now agree on the superiority of horse-drawn weapon systems over modern technology.
        Did they replay airplanes on a computer?
        It should be enough of the fact that in no normal army is such a class of aircraft armed. Just because she has no use, however much you would like. As I said, the maximum is intelligence. This trough will not find combat use, and even in the mountains.
        for two reasons:
        1) The armaments and performance characteristics of this aircraft will not allow serious damage to the enemy, who hid in the mountains
        2) these planes will stray from improvised means.

        Well, add here the absolute uselessness in auxiliary appointments - evacuate neither the wounded, nor deliver the cargo, nor land the troops.
  27. Infernal man
    Infernal man 18 January 2016 12: 51 New
    0
    I read enthusiastic comments and came to the conclusion that there are a lot of people who don’t know a damn thing about the capabilities of aviation and counteracting the air threat, nor tactics, nor knowing and understanding the conditions for using this trough (and for a modern war this is trough), with a complete absence understanding what Afghanistan and the Mujahideen are.