Identified another problem F-35. Now in the fuel tanks

Another technological flaw has been revealed in the multipurpose fighter of the new generation F-35, which was previously praised by the American media. Barely there were reports that Washington was going to spend another 2 billion dollars to bring to the pilot's seat, which is now capable of injuring a pilot with a body weight less than 61 kg, as new information about the need to eliminate errors began to be published in the press.

Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the information portal World Military Power writes that the American military aircraft F-35 showed serious problems in the fuel tanks. The manufacturing company said that the modification of the fuel tanks needs urgent improvement. Details as to exactly which problems in the fuel tanks were revealed by the developers are not reported. But it is reported that Lockheed Martin demanded that the US Department of Defense allocate additional funds in the amount of almost 29 million dollars to eliminate these problems.

Among the American experts, rumors have spread that representatives of the developer company are doing everything to increase government funding for aircraft development. It is known that all work on creating F-35 has already spent (attention!) Over 100 billions of dollars. This suggests that the cost of one F-35 aircraft reaches 110 million dollars, while the car still remains "raw."

Comments

[Mikhail Krapivin]

The Chinese have one hundred thousand warnings, the F-35 has one hundred thousand faults. And they say that East and West do not understand each other - how else to understand! :)

[vlad66]

Truly not only golden, but a plane encrusted with diamonds is obtained, well, mattresses will print papers then.

[vovanpain]

The dog’s tail fell into the cart’s wheel, now shout, but run away. So the mattresses have nowhere to go, so much has been spent and how much more will be spent.

[Persistent]

Totally agree with you !!! Seret loudly - no sense !!!!

[Maxom75]

so much is invested in an airplane and a lot of money will be invested, and its effectiveness is already being questioned. I just want to say: "Stubbornness is the dignity of donkeys!"

[ty60]

We need to rejoice, the problems of the enemy are our small victory.

[ty60]

We need to rejoice, the problems of the enemy are our small victory.

[dauria]

I just want to say: "Stubbornness is the dignity of donkeys!"

Yes, I would like to say so - about the site "VO", repeating like a spell: "the plane is bad, bad, bad and it will be even worse ...." But after all, never even a decent technical article about the history of creation and just educational program They didn’t post it on the plane.

[Scraptor]

subtly troll ...

Quote: dauria

about the history of creation

and I would also like to know that all the same he has tanks

[Scraptor]

maybe which nut from the 90s from Yak with a metric thread loosened and stuck?

[prostofily]

Yes, he is both good and not good - they measure money. Well, not really expensive.

[the47th]

And where do they go? Score on the F-35 and start a tender for a new plane? This is still a lot of money, and most importantly several (maybe even tens) years of development. And the army will be all with the same F-16. Lockheed Martin managers already understand that the military can’t get anywhere from them, so the state budget is being milked.

[serkhan]

What can I say, a typical example of a suitcase without a handle. Suitcases usually fly poorly, but they are unlikely to throw it away, that's for sure, there will be even more million stickers on it.

[Dilshat]

Well, Lockheed Martin is simply an analogue of our Sakhalin governors.

[Nick]

Quote: vlad66

Truly not only golden, but a plane encrusted with diamonds is obtained, well, mattresses will print papers then.

And the vassals have nowhere to go, they will take it, otherwise they will "turn off the gas"

[NIKNN]

Among American experts, rumors spread that representatives of the developer company are doing everything to increase government funding for aircraft development

This is probably the main reason. After all, it was not considered on the accounts ...

[Haettenschweiler]

- To hell with it, with the F-35. Where is our T-50?

[kil 31]

I will say this. We constantly write about the problems f 35. But they do not write about the problems of PAK FA. You don’t understand the certainty of propaganda. I think so; let's first declare ourselves to the whole world PAK FA and then we will compare the shortcomings of ours and their aircraft.

[Kent0001]

PAK FA is being tested, and it probably has problems, it doesn’t happen otherwise. But this is actually an experimental machine and it is not being sucked in by anyone, and the Americans first rassirovany their offspring and therefore any rumors about this plane immediately turn on the net.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kent0001

PAK FA is undergoing tests, and he probably has problems,

Of course there is ... that's why the series was moved from the 16th year to the 18th. It is useful to recall the assurances of Rogozin, who voted like a parrot that the serial T-50 will be in the 15th year.

[jjj]

Let's remember how it was before. For several years, the cars were brought up. Which is right. So they serve for decades. And in Soviet times, problems arose in the series. Let's remember the MiG-25

[Vadim237]

Focus on 2020 - PAK FA will not go into the series earlier, due to the fact that there is no new engine yet.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

Focus on 2020 - PAK FA will not go into the series earlier, due to the fact that there is no new engine yet.

He and the engine of the first stage can withstand all the speed characteristics of a generation 5 fighter ... I believe that it is not the engine.

[_my opinion]

Quote: Kent0001

PAK FA is being tested, and it probably has problems, it doesn’t happen otherwise. But this is actually an experimental machine and it is not being sucked in by anyone, and the Americans first rassirovany their offspring and therefore any rumors about this plane immediately turn on the net.

testing is a useful and necessary thing, it is better to spend some time on them than to launch a raw car into a series and then rake this "dampness" in full ...
about the F-35: that’s what you can’t bring to mind (without a radical alteration) so it single engine scheme.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: _my opinion

about the F-35: that’s what you can’t bring to mind (without a radical alteration) so it single engine scheme.

F-35 is a fighter-bomber, like the F-16, and it has been working quite well for 50 years with a single-engine scheme.

[andj61]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

F-35 is a fighter-bomber, like F-16 and it has been working quite well for 50 years with a single-engine scheme.

Well, you exaggerated about the F-16!

General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon is an American fourth-generation multi-functional fighter. Designed in 1974 by General Dynamics. It was commissioned in 1979, and in 1993 General Dynamics sold its aircraft manufacturing business to Lockheed Corporation (currently Lockheed Martin).
F-16, due to its versatility and relatively low cost, is the most massive fourth-generation fighter (more than 2014 aircraft were built in June 4540) and is successful in the international arms market (it is in service with 25 countries). The last of the 2231 F-16s for the US Air Force were transferred to the customer in 2005. The upgraded F-16 will be produced for export at least until mid-2017.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: andj61

Well, you exaggerated about the F-16!

I agree. He added ten years. But in general, until 2019, the F-16 will still be actively used by many air forces.

[nemets]

single-engine scheme is ineffective, and call the f-16 a 4-generation aircraft?! rather 3 ++, 4p it became after modernization. f-35 can hardly be attributed to 5p precisely because of low maneuverability, even compared to the su-30, rather in terms of armament, it refers to 5p.

[Sivan]

F-16 from the very beginning was a 4-generation aircraft. Integral layout - this is the main feature of the 4th generation. He has it.

[mav1971]

Quote: _my opinion

about the F-35: that’s what you can’t bring to mind (without a radical alteration) so it single engine scheme.

Americans have a different experience.
Once the single-engine YF-16 won the competition against the twin-engine YF-17, simply "blowing" it in all respects. And he became one of the best fighters of our time.
Almost 45 years since the first roll-out and so many upgrades, not a single aircraft in this class and purpose has yet been made ...
Therefore, they can afford to consider a single-engine scheme more necessary.

[Sergey Guriev]

After that, the IF17 fighter smoothly turned into a successful attack aircraft / front-line bomber FA18. Nothing was wasted. In my opinion, many of the technical tasks and solutions of f35 have not been tested anywhere before. The percentage of new solutions in this aircraft is extremely high. The Americans, having worked on the technology on it, will most likely quite painlessly create the next car, already much more advanced. And f35 will be sold (forcibly) to their partners, so to speak. They’ll buy it anyway. Nothing will be wasted. So instead of gloating it is worth considering what issues and technologies are being worked out on this ugly duckling. A similar story was in the USSR, from the ugly duckling tu22 to the magnificent tu22m3.

[dauria]

about the F-35: that’s what it’s not able to bring to mind (without a cardinal alteration) because it’s a single-engine scheme.

The trick is that the engine of this notorious single-engine design is the same as the twin-engine F-22. They simply repeated the same successful twist of the F-15 and F-16. This unification drastically reduced the cost of both fighters and allowed them to conquer the market. They are doing everything correctly, and they took into account the mistake with the F-18. And the engine is excellent in itself, if there is a version of the F-35 vertical takeoff, where 80% of the aircraft parts are standard from the "land"

[Vadim237]

Most likely, rumors about the F 35 flaws will remain rumors - "sources of information"

[Aqela]

I would agree with your remark if the F-35 were not in the series. Facts of the combat use of it 9 years after adoption are there? Estimates of real combat use, real effectiveness, are there?
I would agree that, they say, yes, talk about talk, rumors about rumors and other nonsense. But there are no real facts at all. Considering that at the moment the United States is involved in several military conflicts, let us compare the situation with the Phantom (by the way, also, at one time, a former breakthrough aircraft):

F-4 Phantom II. Developer - McDonnell Douglas. The first flight was May 27, 1958. Start of operation 1961.
The Phantom was in production from 1958 to 1979 and a total of 5195 cars were built. 5057 of them were manufactured in St. Louis, Missouri, USA and another 138 were built under license at Mitsubishi factories in Japan. The peak production of F-4 occurred in 1967, when the McDonnell plant produced 72 aircraft per month. The US Air Force was armed with 2874 Phantoms, while the Navy and the Marine Corps - 1264 vehicles.
-------
Vietnam was the first war involving Phantoms. After the "Tonkin incident" - the clash of the American destroyers Maddox and Turner Joy with Vietnamese torpedo boats on August 2, 1964.

For comparison, what do we have about the F-35 (briefly, without water):

F-35 Lightning II. Developer Lockheed Martin Corporation.
The design choice for the F-35 was made in 2001 as a result of a competition for the JSF program.
The first flight is December 15, 2006. Start of operation - since 2012 it has been operated for training purposes. Initial combat readiness: US ILC - July 31, 2015 [2]. Full year 17, planned: US Air Force - August 2016, US Navy - August 2018.

From the above information, we have a logical conclusion: as soon as the US military acquires a new convenient "club", they do not miss the opportunity to immediately apply it. The F-35 is clearly not considered such a baton. We have not rumors, but facts of life: they made a piece of iron, but they won’t decide where to put it in!
So allusions about a suitcase without a handle and a running dog with a tail in the wheel look very true.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: keel 31

I will say this. We constantly write about the problems f 35. But they do not write about the problems of PAK FA. You don’t understand the certainty of propaganda. I think so; let's first declare ourselves to the whole world PAK FA and then we will compare the shortcomings of ours and their aircraft.

You see what the matter is ... The T-50 has not yet been put into service, is not commercially available and is at the stage of testing prototypes. Which are just designed to identify jambs and bugs.

A F-35 in a small series since 2007. And then suddenly problems in the fuel tanks come to light.

In short, the American military-industrial complex is confidently following the path of the Soviet military-industrial complex: "Well, yes, the product is a little damp. But you sign the acceptance certificate, put the product into service - and we will definitely finalize it in a series ... then ... on selected topics".

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Alexey RA

T-50 has not yet been accepted into service, is not commercially available and is at the stage of testing prototypes. Which are just designed to identify jambs and bugs.

And the development of the T-50 is in every way cheaper than the F-35.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Alexey RA

In short, the American military-industrial complex is confidently following the Soviet military-industrial complex:

Not Soviet, but Russian 90s.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Oleg147741

Not Soviet, but Russian 90s.

Soviet-Soviet.
Let's take the early 30s: Grabin's divisional gun, after being put into service, was brought into service for 3 years, and it was never brought up and replaced with a new USV model. The DK machine gun, after being adopted, was brought into service for 8 years - and finally received the DShK. The DS-39 machine gun was put into service ... and removed back. T-26 tanks were adopted with unfinished engines and non-armored steel hulls. BT tanks were brought to mind only for the BT-7 model. To force the plant and design bureau to finalize the T-34 after it was put into service, it took the threat of stopping production. The KV tank was being finalized already during the war - before the war, Zaltsman and Kotin scored all the requirements of the GABTU, excuses that it would be easier for them to give a new tank. The leader "Leningrad" was accepted by the fleet ... and went back to the plant. where he stood for another 2 years at the outfitting wall.
Maybe something changed after the war? No. The same aircraft were regularly first put into service, and then finalized to the requirements of the original TK. The destroyer pr. 956 entered trials without weapons. 2 BOD pr. 1155 were adopted by the fleet without air defense systems, 2 more - with a half air defense systems (on the "Kulakov", for example, instead of the missing "dagger" they recently stuck a "bend"). Sam SAM "Dagger" was adopted 8 years after the inclusion of the lead 1155 in the fleet.
And the "icing on the cake" is an epic with the R-39, when the head SSBN of pr.941 first entered service without the SLBM adopted for service, and then received "temporary" SLBMs (R-39 and R-39U), which were adopted only because SSBNs have already been built for them. In reality, however, the military specifications for the new SLBM did not correspond to them - only the "bark" corresponded to them.

[kil 31]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: keel 31

I will say this. We constantly write about the problems f 35. But they do not write about the problems of PAK FA. You don’t understand the certainty of propaganda. I think so; let's first declare ourselves to the whole world PAK FA and then we will compare the shortcomings of ours and their aircraft.

You see what the matter is ... The T-50 has not yet been put into service, is not commercially available and is at the stage of testing prototypes. Which are just designed to identify jambs and bugs.

A F-35 in a small series since 2007. And then suddenly problems in the fuel tanks come to light.

In short, the American military-industrial complex is confidently following the path of the Soviet military-industrial complex: "Well, yes, the product is a little damp. But you sign the acceptance certificate, put the product into service - and we will definitely finalize it in a series ... then ... on selected topics".

I completely agree with you on the latter about the Soviet military-industrial complex. But until I have a universal 5th generation aircraft that works on the ground in the air and not a front-line fighter, but an interceptor. Then I will laugh and evaluate such enemy vehicles. If there is nothing to compare with us. I’m not going to laugh at the enemy’s plane.

[Aqela]

I’m all the time wondering why the F-35 is referred to the 5th generation, if all its real technical data belong to the “4+” generation, as a maximum (even the second “plus” somehow does not stick). Because the motor is similar to the F-22? Or based on the same notorious advertising statements?
Arguments to the studio, please.

[Pajamas]

Quote: Aqela

I’m all the time wondering why the F-35 is referred to the 5th generation, if all its real technical data belong to the “4+” generation, as a maximum (even the second “plus” somehow does not stick). Because the motor is similar to the F-22? Or based on the same notorious advertising statements?
Arguments to the studio, please.

I asked Uncle Fedi:
"Why is the car driving?"
Uncle Fedya rubbed his nose
and said: "At her MOTOR».
I corrected Uncle Fedya:
"Not with her, but with her."
Uncle Fedya was indignant;
“Oh you, s.ka, my mine!”
Just in case, I’m in the hand
took a splinter of brick
and answered: “I am not a s.ka.
I’m Eaglet Ilyich! ”

All the same, the engine in a piston aircraft or do you doubt about the F-35? )))

[Tersky]

Quote: keel 31

I think so; let's first declare ourselves to the whole world PAK FA and then we will compare the shortcomings of ours and their aircraft.

These are two completely different aircraft, if we compare it with the Raptor. And the FU-35 with the declared generation 5, with the SU-35 generation 4 ++. Monitor their comparison on the web, you will learn a lot of interesting things, for one thing, do not forget about the comparison in price. !

[your1970]

I am confused by the price -
"on the creation of the F-35 already spent (attention!) more 100 billion dollars. This suggests that the cost one aircraft F-35 reaches 110 million dollars "
Or price не 110 lyam, or there are already about 1000 pieces built (figase-small series)
Doesn't fit ...........

[sniper]

Quote: your1970

"The creation of the F-35 has already spent (attention!) more than $ 100 billion.

I would not be so optimistic ... Yes, the money was spent, R&D was carried out, experience was gained that will be used in the future ... Well, F-35, yes God be with him ... Sooner or later they’ll finish where they to go away ... It is good, of course, that not everything goes smoothly with them, because for the time being. It’s hard for us to compete with them, the times of the USSR have passed ... So we need to prepare for the lingering difficulties in the economy, in life ... Otherwise, we will not survive.

[Garris199]

Quote: sniper

It's hard for us to compete with them

But is it even necessary to do this? It is necessary to develop and strengthen in accordance with the possibilities.

[VP]

And where, excuse me, did the experience with F-22 go if it took 35 watermelons to develop experience on the 100th and so far this is not the limit?

[Pimply]

Quote: your1970

Either the price is not 110 lyam, or they have already been built around 1000 pieces (fig. - small series

About a hundred and a little.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Tersky

And the FU-35 with the declared generation 5, with the SU-35 generation 4 ++.

In fact, these are also completely different Su-35 F-22 aircraft.

[gergi]

Read about the problems of the T-50 in the American press.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: gergi

Read about the problems of the T-50 in the American press.

Well why. If desired, information can be found in Russia. For example, you can find out:

T-50 long-term plan until 2020
2016 - T-50-9, T-50-10, T-50-11.
2017 - T-50-12 (repeated statics), T-50S-1,2.
2018 - T-50S-3,4
2019 - T-50S-5,6,7,8, PMI-1,2.
2020 - T-50S-9,10,11,12, PMI-3,4.
The design documentation for the plant has not yet arrived at T-50S and PMI products.

[shans2]

Is Israel still yelling with joy at the upcoming purchases of these miracle planes instead of f 16?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: shans2

Is Israel still yelling with joy at the upcoming purchases of these miracle planes instead of f 16?

No. Representatives of the Air Force command (anonymous to the media) demand not to pull the tires and bring the number of cars to 75 by 2025.

[VP]

And you take Canadian)

[Oleg14774]

Quote: gergi

Read about the problems of the T-50 in the American press.

And rightly so!

[Corsair]

Quote: keel 31

I will say this. We constantly write about the problems f 35. But they do not write about the problems of PAK FA. You don’t understand the certainty of propaganda. I think so; let's first declare ourselves to the whole world PAK FA and then we will compare the shortcomings of ours and their aircraft.

don’t bother, probably in Amers special sites and magazines they write that PAK FA Russian is a 4 ++ class ram that flies on coal fuel and the pilot has to look out for his telescope with 500x optics, and the second pilot throws coal into the furnace, which if the plane somehow takes off, it will kick in almost immediately, since the Russian savages are 50 years behind technology in technology ...
The usual practice is to water each other with a ram, we them, they us, and the experts - read that way - let out gases of different consistencies on this occasion.

[zenion]

Read about PAK issues on American sites.

[quote]

Quote: zenion

Read about PAK issues on American sites.

You can provide a "link", if it's not difficult. Thank you in advance.

[79807420129]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- To hell with it, with the F-35. Where is our T-50?

Let there be a T-50 for you.

[gergi]

In Zhukovsky, but what?

[rpek32]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- To hell with it, with the F-35. Where is our T-50?

on trials. the difference is that in the usa there is a crude airplane in production, we still have at the stands

[VP]

Finished the ICG. Do you have any other information or just asked?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: NIKNN

increase government funding for aircraft development

This is probably the main reason. After all, it was not considered on the accounts ...

Well, 29 Lyamov is not such great money for such a monster as LM.

[Akmalinin]

This is a business.

[NDR-791]

Another technological flaw was discovered
2000 thousand of such "fig leaves" were ordered by the industry and everyone should increase the military budget by order to 2% and it was "recommended" to buy the F-35 as the most advanced device for the war with wild Asians. Oooh !!! It's already quite scary - just like the F-117 - they shook it with an angular iron for ten years (even two films were shot as with the main character), however ... the C-125 with a meter guidance station works wonders ...

[Misha Honest]

- Barak Huseynovich, we couldn’t fill the fuel tanks, please give us two billion so that our hands would not shake ...
- Eh, I'll go and print it again.

[Uran]

it turns out that its frame was adopted, and only then, during the operation, a non-flying miracle began to finish building that heavy air? there is one video clip called Hot engines from a cold country. The United States could not do what the USSR could. and it says at the end of the video how difficult it is to create a product and put it into operation!

[dauria]

F-35 has a hundred thousand faults

Silaev supported us. He only asked me: -Are you sure there is no other way? "" Of course, I am sure, although there is another: to serially release hundreds and thousands of mediocre
fighters, and if there is no war, no one will know about their mediocrity. But we are working on that rainy day when our weapons should be at the highest level. and therefore there is no other way! "

Do you know when and who said this and why? Simonov in 1979, after 10 years of work on the su-27, when the plane was ready and mass production was ready... He crossed out a huge part of the work, he just broke his stone flower like Danila the master. And they made a new plane. Changed such fundamental elements of the aircraft layout as the shape and area of ​​the wing, the configuration of the cross-sections of the fuselage head, center section and engine nacelles, and the placement of the empennage. The cycle of fine-tuning the engine from the first test to the receipt of the certificate of passing state tests on August 6, 1985 took 11 long years. Are we proud of the "drying"? And we are doing the right thing, just remember how this pride is given.
Bad, then F-35? Yes, only to create their technology, we have to push our horn to the fullest. At one time, we created the welding of a titanium center section for the very same
the "rejected" first option. Was she lost for nothing? I envy the Americans for this - they can afford the luxury of building such aircraft, but we have no money, and they have lost people.

[vitvdv75]

He eats money normally, issues a problem on the mountain and this cannot but rejoice. On the other hand, they will work out new technologies and technical solutions on it.

[Rader]

He eats money normally, issues a problem on the mountain and this cannot but rejoice ...

Lockheed Martin! That's who really benefits from this Santo Barbara with the F35. I am more than sure that 75 percent of all "misadventures" were planned by Lockheed's managers (undeniably talented people who bring a "pretty penny" to their corporation).
But you should not throw hats. All shortcomings will be eliminated, otherwise they (Lockheed) will not see more contracts, and these people will not miss the profit. And last, but perhaps most importantly, more than 170 of them have already been stamped, and this is what the Yankees call "small-scale production". So if even a third of these machines will not be able to use their weapons due to problems with the "firmware" and a third will turn into a torch right in the air due to fuel tanks, then the remaining amount will be enough to make a nightmare, even Syria.
P.S. The question arose: when will the T-50 be renamed the Su-50? When adopting, or earlier?

[Baikal]

As history shows, yes. And it is not necessary that the output will be "50"

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Baikal

As history shows, yes. And it is not necessary that the output will be "50"

Fighters received a historically odd number.

[adept666]

P.S. The question arose: when will the T-50 be renamed the Su-50? When adopting, or earlier?

Probably never. This is the factory code, for example, the Su-27 has - T-10S, Su-34 - T-10V. Logically, this is either Su-37 (as one of the OKB machines was already called) or Su-39.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: adept666

Probably never. This is the factory code, for example, the Su-27 has - T-10S, Su-34 - T-10V. Logically, this is either Su-37 (as one of the OKB machines was already called) or Su-39.

Amendment - "Berkut" was called C-37. And the T-50 stands apart in the lineup, the ancestor, after all, and the name should correspond, I think so.

[adept666]

Correction - "Berkut" was called S-37

And who told you that I'm talking about the S-37? I'm talking about the T10M-11, built on the basis of the Su-27M. The experimental board also known as the Terminator (it was also shown in the Discovery program). And here on this portal as a background was quite a long time.

[iliitchitch]

You are not so excited. The SU-41 should be called Kirdyk. And let the enemies bother with the translation.

[adept666]

Do not get excited you are so

And there was no thought , just explained that he meant another car.

Call SU-41 Kirdyk. And let the enemies bother with the translation.

The main thing is that at the same time he fully reflects this name in terms of its performance characteristics and performance characteristics.

[Sivan]

Su-39 is Su-25TM (T8TM). So, I think they will call it Su-57 (there is already Su-47 - Golden Eagle)

[shuhartred]

Quote: Rader

then the remaining amount is enough to nightmare, even the same Syria.

Syria nightmare and F-16 is enough. Why then fence the garden?

[Kaiten]

Quote: shuhartred

Syria nightmare and F-16 is enough. Why then fence the garden?

What about Turkey?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Kaiten

What about Turkey?

And us for sho ?????

[dustycat]

Quote: shuhartred

And us for sho ?????

There is no SGA oil under Turkey ?!
And if they find it?

[dustycat]

Quote: shuhartred

And us for sho ?????

There is no SGA oil under Turkey ?!
And if they find it?

[Primus pilus]

The most notorious plane.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

and now a banana !!!

[silverwolf88]

Production of the F-35 is an excellent business ... and you can’t refuse (how much money has been spent) ... and you still need to finalize it ...

[Dryuya2]

Quote: silberwolf88

... and you can’t refuse already (how much money has been spent) ... and you still need to finalize it ...

and then we are all yellowstone, yellowstone - but it turns out he's the killer.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Dryuya2

and then we are all yellowstone, yellowstone - but it turns out he's the killer.

Today's world froze in anticipation of something ... They expect from us that with the logic, according to their logic, we must give up, like we’ve walled up, you won’t breathe. Oh well, scared. They are kind of funny.

[WUA 518]

Something stir up again. Is the problem in tanks or in range?

[Vladimir 1964]

Among the American experts, rumors have spread that representatives of the developer company are doing everything to increase government funding for aircraft development. It is known that all work on creating F-35 has already spent (attention!) Over 100 billions of dollars. This suggests that the cost of one F-35 aircraft reaches 110 million dollars, while the car still remains "raw."

Well, what's new? It is a normal situation for a private company. I really have a question, why does this situation sometimes arise in our country, where the state seems to be the main shareholder of the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation)?

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Well, what's new

Volodya hi, what's wrong with you? reset to zero, or what ??

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Volodya hi, what's wrong with you? reset to zero, or what ??

Yeah, colleague.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Volodya hi, what's wrong with you? reset to zero, or what ??

And you, Dear colleague, from which you noticed this.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

And you, Dear colleague, from which you noticed this.

Are you my friend suspiciously polite .. didn’t hesitate?

[Hello]

Directly the whole campaign for dousing with F 35 slops. A newspaper with a link to the portal with reference to rumors. Chef is all gone. And this despite the fact that the plane has not yet been in field operation for a day, it’s the same as to fault Armat. There will be no answer

[St Petrov]

Hello, you just write, because your country itself buys these pepelats)

So you would make fun of mattresses no less than we)

Tell me honestly, would it be your will - the Su-35 (can you put any plane, ours or not) or did you buy the F-35 for your country?

Do not you think that Israel could more successfully spend the money allocated for this project?

PS Armata has just begun operation. And the operation of the f-35 in my opinion began in 2006

[St Petrov]

Judging by the balance, minus and plus - they showed you a beautiful advertisement

Omerika beautifully makes advertising - this is a fact. They are in this matter, I would say the best in the world)

And nobody drives here on f-22, mind you)

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Do not you think that Israel could more successfully spend the money allocated for this project?

The Israelis very successfully mastered the money.
Israel has ordered 33 of these aircraft, under very "specific" conditions:
The first batch of 19 cars cost the Jews $ 2,7 billion, but Lockheed Martin pledged to purchase parts and components in Israel for the entire program for $ 4 billion, without Israel’s investment in the aircraft development program! I must say that these conditions shocked other US partners in the program, in particular, Norway, Denmark and Italy.
The next order included 14 aircraft for already 2,8 billion (+ option for 17 cars) - in response, it seems, the program of return purchases was expanded to 9 billion dollars.
In particular, Israeli companies supply for the F-35 (I repeat - not only for their own - for everyone!) Wings, helmet displays and composite elements for the fuselage ...
The Israeli aircraft of modification "I" themselves will have differences in onboard electronics, in particular in electronic warfare systems. In addition, Israel plans to take part in the development of a 2-seater version of the aircraft.
In total, the Israeli Air Force is going to buy 95 F-35.

[Adhesives]

Apparently, an F-35B squadron will be purchased in case of a runway defeat.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Lepila

Apparently, an F-35B squadron will be purchased in case of a runway defeat.

It will not.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It will not.

As I understand it, this is the first Israeli.

[Adhesives]

Correctly understood

[Adhesives]

Arosha, read the Hebrew press, they have been actively writing about this in the last month. Just in case, I’ll give a Russian-language link.


http://newsru.co.il/israel/13dec2015/f35b_103.html

[Hello]

Quote: Lepila

Apparently F-35B squadron will be purchased in case of runway defeat

Yeah, and another 2-3 aircraft carriers in the event of the defeat of everything, for Israel vertical take-off is a complete whim

Quote: Lepila

Arosha, read the Hebrew press, they are actively writing about this in the last month

Show where they write

[Adhesives]

http://news.walla.co.il/item/2914547

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Lepila

Arosha, read the Hebrew press, they have been actively writing about this in the last month. Just in case, I’ll give a Russian-language link.
http://newsru.co.il/israel/13dec2015/f35b_103.html

First of all, I'm not "Arosha", but Aron. Secondly, no one will buy an F-35B because one squadron does not change anything, and no one will complicate the logistics. Israeli airfields have long ago worked out a system with work with a partially damaged strip and its rapid restoration.

[Adhesives]

Arosha, rudeness doesn’t color you, and you and I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft, poking

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Lepila

Arosha, rudeness doesn’t color you, and you and I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft, poking

In Israel there is no appeal to you, but I personally would ask you not to comment on my comments and not to contact me. Thanks in advance.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It will not.

That's the way it goes

[Hello]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Tell me honestly, would it be your will - the Su-35 (can you put any plane, ours or not) or did you buy the F-35 for your country?

It would be my will, I would buy more hats and throw you

Quote: s-t Petrov

Do not you think that Israel could more successfully spend the money allocated for this project?

I see a sinner got a special in aviation and everything related to it, well, tell me for goodness sake why is the F 35 still not so bad? Just give so not muddy publications with a link to muddy publications and your authoritative and informed opinion.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Hello

Just let’s not so muddy publications with a link to muddy publications and your authoritative and informed opinion.

It is difficult to judge while the project is still not accepted into service, but as far as I know, the problem with lightning protection has not been solved and there are restrictions on the flight altitude.
According to some indirect signs, it can be assumed that the United States will reduce the number of purchased F-35s for itself, the question is how much. For Israel, the experience of operating a very high-tech aircraft will only benefit and money will not be wasted.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Hello

I see a sinner got a special in aviation and everything related to it, well, tell me for goodness sake why is the F 35 still not so bad? Just give so not muddy publications with a link to muddy publications and your authoritative and informed opinion.

By the fact that it’s like a Swiss knife, they try to sharpen 1 plane for 3 goals, hence a huge amount of money and problems. That’s why it’s bad that they are trying to make him universal.

[Kasym]

Ilya (Hello), in my opinion, the F-35 class. Problems:
1. Universalization (Istr., Assault., Bomber). Specialized aircraft are always better.
2. Stealth technology. On October 7 (or November), the Americans were surprised that the Russians saw and intercepted their UAVs in Syria. But UAVs are also made using stealth technologies and composite materials. In addition, they are at times !!! smaller in size. Are they so invisible as Americans praise them? Their ESR is 0,001 sq.m. somehow hard to believe. Moreover, if in front of the AFAR stands pl. min 1 sq.m.?. As you know, for each element of the AFAR (and there are hundreds, if not a thousand) of 3 failures. And this thick wire bundle turns out, it also does not display radio waves?
3. Super-maneuverability of 5 generations and does not smell. Do not engage in close combat, rely only on electronics.
4. Aerodynamics. Other versions also "suffered" because of the vertical. The plane is too "bloated" to show excellent performance characteristics in aerodynamics.
5. The engine is really good, unless of course they lie Amer., But he is one. Therefore, the issue of accident rate and speed is open - only explo. it will show.
6. Electronics amer. No wonder they are boasting. But against it there are electronic warfare. And without it, the plane, going to bl. the battle is simply no with the Su or MiG-29.
7. In operation, will it be affordable?
8. Once the Americans have put so many of them (already for a hundred), why won't they try it in Syria? They just have a place there. Bomb secretly from the Russians, and experience.
9. Internal niches for weapons are small. Will have to go outside - no stealth.
These are the thoughts. I do not want to say that he is bad. The Pentagon has invested too much in it, and we must understand that they have nowhere to go - they will refine it to an acceptable option.

[iwind]

Quote: Kasym

Stealth technology. On October 7 (or November), the Americans were surprised that the Russians saw and intercepted their UAVs in Syria. But UAVs are also made using stealth technologies and composite materials. In addition, they are at times !!! smaller in size.

about another laziness.
But something that the MQ-9 Reaper is a stealth ?????? Yes, he has one straight wingspan of 20 meters in size, he is probably one of the largest UAVs, with a complete absence of measures to reduce visibility, except that there is a percentage of composites in the hull, but without RPM, it does little.
He (RQ-9) doesn’t need other tasks.
Here is an inconspicuous UAV x-47B or rq-170

Here is the RQ-9

[Kasym]

Iwind. So it’s neither me, but the Americans are surprised that the Russians are tracking their UAVs. You can even find articles on this subject these days (7.10 (11?). 15). And I don’t think that the Americans use for the intelligence purposes those whoppers about whom you write. Somehow I did not read reports about the bombing from UAVs in Syria.
In my opinion, these stealth against "weak" countries somehow, but against the Russian Federation will not get through. There are powerful ground-based radars, space, and electronic warfare systems. It is enough to track home airfields. In extreme cases, an observer within a radius of 3 km. from the airfield to land with the phone.
And what is "lazy" to argue for the rest of the points? Universalization, one engine (albeit powerful and there are no analogues), no super-maneuverability - does not do credit to this aircraft.

[iwind]

Quote: Kasym

Iwind. So it’s neither me, but the Americans are surprised that the Russians are tracking their UAVs. You can even find articles on this subject these days (7.10 (11?). 15). And I don’t think that the Americans use for the intelligence purposes those whoppers about whom you write. Somehow I did not read reports about the bombing from UAVs in Syria.

it is they (there are almost no others there) flying from Av Incirlik. The attacks were and are being applied regularly both in Syria and in Iraq, since there are fewer risks when using UAVs. Except for journalists, no one was surprised.
Vidio from Min. defense of the Russian Federation, that would not be a question about falsification

Quote: Kasym

In my opinion, these stealth against "weak" countries somehow, but against the Russian Federation will not get through. There are powerful ground-based radars, space, and electronic warfare systems. It is enough to track home airfields. In extreme cases, an observer within a radius of 3 km. from the airfield to land with the phone.

Yep, the whole world is developing all new stealth aircraft, including the Russian Federation (PAK-FA PAK-DA). They know better.

Quote: Kasym

Universalization, one engine (albeit powerful and no analogues), no over-maneuverability - does not honor this aircraft.

It is no more versatile than the F-16. No one ever asked him for super-maneuverability - this is to destroy a bomber.
The number of bombs is similar to the actual combat load of the F-16.
Why drags them to Siru - now we need airplanes and mechanics to train and complete the tests. In 2016, 68 aircraft will be commissioned; they need to have time to prepare personnel and pilots. In Syria, UAVs and F-16s will do just fine.

Quote: Kasym

4. Aerodynamics. Other versions also "suffered" because of the vertical. The plane is too "bloated" to show excellent performance characteristics in aerodynamics

not really, they (F-35A F-35B and F-35C) have different profiles. The main reason for the large volumes is 8278 kg of fuel in sizes F-16

F-16 and F-35B (Vertical)

[Kasym]

So where is the suspension on the UAV? This is intelligence. Please note: the UAV is licked, probably from a composite, the dimensions and weight are in no way comparable to the UAV. I sat on the P-12 (Yenisei), and then on the P-18. The helicopters were visible - they asked me to fly higher. And this composite "sausage" - I don't even know - electronics, engine and fuel tank - everything that can display a radio wave.
So for UAV reconnaissance is a sweet deal. And let's wait with the stealth to draw conclusions (I have in the form of technology using a composite, not a paintwork). In fact, nothing is clear. The only one from composite F-22 is discontinued. You can argue to hoarseness, but it makes no sense.
But the fighter must be able to lead a maneuverable neighbor. the fight. Or how? Bomber. The internal volume holds 2 thousand-pound bombs and a pair of missiles. ALL!!! Is that a stealth technology bomber? And with the attack aircraft I’m generally silent. Therefore, I have a question about universalization. Like all others, let’s wait than argue pointlessly. But all my questions make sense.
The central part, where the mechanics for the vertical line should be, is the same for everyone - according to your scheme.
The last picture was discussed - the scale is not saved.

[iwind]

Quote: Kasym

So where is the suspension on the UAV? This is intelligence. Please note: the UAV is licked, probably from a composite, the dimensions and weight are in no way comparable to the UAV. I sat on the P-12 (Yenisei), and then on the P-18. The helicopters were visible - they asked me to fly higher. And this composite "sausage" - I don't even know - electronics, engine and fuel tank - everything that can display a radio wave.

The pendant is visible on the first vidio. But what difference does it make with the MQ-9 ripper - even in the code you can see that it’s a shock drone — intelligence is RQ. It simply has no traces of stealth technology from the word at all. I don’t even understand what doubts might be. More anti-stealth object presto can not be found in the air (well, except for the B-52). Length: 11 meters wingspan 20 meteors. To claim that it is inconspicuous is still a brad. Look at all aircraft with stealth technologies.

Quote: Kasym

Helicopters ate visible - asked to fly higher

Well, that’s the concept of the horizon. Immediately clear sky.

Quote: Kasym

But the fighter must be able to lead a maneuverable neighbor. the fight. Or how? Bomber. The internal volume holds 2 thousand-pound bombs and a pair of missiles. ALL!!! Is that a stealth technology bomber?

If you believe that a fighter should conduct a maneuverable battle, this is good. But others don’t think so (United States Air Force). There are all-angle rockets for this.

And by the way 2 bombs 2500 pound or 8 SDB and 2 rockets. This is enough for stele configurations (tasks of the first day) the maximum number of missiles for BLOCKA 3F-12 from 2017 will go into operation. . F-16 extremely rarely takes more as the most 3 lifting pylons occupy the PTB, another 2 occupy the navigation pod and targeting pod. Without this kit, the F-16 will not fly far for good; it needs to add EW containers, since the F-35s are built-in.
And then the attack aircraft? His goal in the near firing hold is to drop bombs from a height of 5 km.

Quote: Kasym

Last picture was discussed - scale not saved

Yes? Length F-16 15.06 m F-35 15.67 m
wings 9.96 m F-35 10.7 m. a difference in size of less than 10 percent.
Then no.

[iwind]

just in case bombs on UAVs are highlighted in red

[Wheel]

Quote: Hello

Well, tell me, for God's sake, why is the F 35 still not so bad?

What are you, what are you!
A fairy tale, not a plane!
Take more!

[Adhesives]

I swear to all the dearest to me: I prefer the F-35 not only the SU-35, but also the future T-50. Similarly, I will read F-22 to the thirty-fifth. But alas, the F-22 was not sold to us ... And now the urapatriots are invited to minus me

[gladysheff2010]

Do not wait, you are our masochist!

[sounddoc]

And so, dear Lepila? Non-kosher drying? So the rabbi will be invited to the plant, let him read עֲמִידָה

[Adhesives]

I will tell you this: Egyptian and Saudi efok fear much more than Sushka

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Lepila

I will tell you this: Egyptian and Saudi efok fear much more than Sushka

If Egypt and Saudi Arabia attack all that they have, you will get 30 F-35 or how much you are going to buy there, the weather will not. They just sell defense by number. Then Israel will only hope for nuclear retaliation from submarines.

[alexej123]

Well it is clear. The last Dryings are only for countries that have a minimum of problems with Israel and are far away. I’m interested in the reaction of your establishment if Russia supplies Sushi Iran. Here will be a performance with wringing hands, crying, tears, etc. The story with the supply of C-300 to Iran and SAR is still fresh. Here at VO, your compatriots claimed that C-300 is not scary. But, for some reason, your Prime Minister PERSONALLY flew to Moscow to clarify the situation. Less respected bravado.

[andj61]

Quote: Lepila

I swear to all the dearest to me: I prefer the F-35 not only the SU-35, but also the future T-50. Similarly, I will read F-22 to the thirty-fifth. But alas, the F-22 was not sold to us ..

Of course you prefer. Israel buys Amerikosovskoy equipment for almost their own money, that is, for free ... Moreover, mandatory counter purchases. Why not choose?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Lepila

I swear to all the dearest to me: I prefer the F-35 not only the SU-35, but also the future T-50. Similarly, I will read F-22 to the thirty-fifth. But alas, the F-22 was not sold to us ... And now the urapatriots are invited to minus me

There is nothing to minus you, choosing your preference is your right.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Lepila

Likewise, I will read F-22 to the thirty-fifth. But alas, the F-22 was not sold to us ...

And with whom to fight with fighters of the 5th generation? Does Palestine have a 5th generation fighter and Israel needs to keep up?

[Adhesives]

At least with the same T-50s that our Russian partners will certainly sell to Iranian Islamic fascists

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Lepila

At least with the same T-50s that our Russian partners will certainly sell to Iranian Islamic fascists

So he is not the 5th generation according to American articles, and you believe them 100%, so you have nothing to fear. In any case, when the Arab countries realize that it is necessary to spend money on defense in a balanced way, not only mindlessly throw money into fighter jets (as it was before), but also buy EW suspended containers, AWACS aircraft, ground-based air defense systems (like C -400, S-350, etc., etc.), ground-based electronic warfare systems, cruise and ballistic missiles (Iskander-E and Caliber) diesel submarines, then their armies will rise to a whole new level.

[alexej123]

That's right, "Drying is not scary." So why be afraid?

[BaLaLaykin]

so you and amers sell weapons to Saudi islamofascists, what are your questions for Russia?

[shans2]

Israeli urapatrioty right now minus you

[alexej123]

I'm a patriot, no hurray, but I'll put a minus. Do you know why? Su, MiGs, according to you, they did not stand next to "mightyimif35f22". I would not promise. The Turkish modernized F-16s shy away like "the devil from incense" with the Su-30SM, the F-15 mattress covers were removed from sin because of the S-400 and the same dryers. By the way, for the air defense systems of Russia, the inhabitants of the Promised Land expressed the same type of "one left". And second - Sushki, MiGs, they are ours, Russian. What are you guys? And you only have drones. When you develop an airplane yourself, launch it into a series and test it on Arabs with Kalash without air defense equipment - then you are welcome to compare your work and Sushki and MiGs. By the way, mattress experts do not speak in such a way as you do when comparing these devices, it means they know something that you are not supposed to know.

[iwind]

Quote: s-t Petrov

PS Armata has just begun operation. And the operation of the f-35 in my opinion began in 2006

And tell me, when will the su-35 be adopted?
At the moment, he still has not passed the GSE on it (GSE) there are boards 02517-02620 - they participate in the GSE in Akhtubinsk, tk. were the only ones for November with a complete set of equipment and software "GSE level"
the first flight of the su-35 February 19, 2008

[alexej123]

Do you really know so much, or just pretend? Read the press - Su-35 is already being delivered to the troops, in particular to the Eastern Military District

[iwind]

Quote: alexej123

? Read the press - Su-35 is already being delivered to the troops, in particular to the Eastern Military District

read the press in 95% of cases, journalism write such nonsense (. So I prefer to read the source

Quote: alexej123

Su-35 is already being delivered to the troops, in particular to the Eastern Military District

AND? For example, the F-35 has already been deployed in combat units for 2-3 years. they undergo training and various tests, etc.
Just bring either a report or a report that the Su-35 passed the GSI and the question will be closed.

[alexej123]

You know, for some reason they do not report to me about the passage of state tests of the Su-35. We must arrange a thrashing, I will shoot the guilty. I don’t know how in Europe and the USA, in Russia, if some kind of technique and equipment is supplied to combat units, I repeat to combat units, and not training and test ones, then it has already passed state tests. Technicians undergoing trial operation cannot be supplied to combat units. As for the media - you pay attention to yours, what nonsense they are. I no longer laugh - I want to cry out of pity for you, what a pile of stuff "your most honest in the world" is shoving you. And a link about the Su-35 http://warfiles.ru/show-105772-krasota-i-mosch-na-dalnem-vostoke.html

[iwind]

Quote: alexej123

You know, for some reason they don’t report about passing the Su-35 state tests.

This is usually reported.
for example, "the armament of the Su-27 was adopted by a government decree dated August 23, 1990 "

Quote: alexej123

Russia, if some kind of machinery and equipment is supplied to combat units, I repeat to combat units, and not educational and test ones, it means that it has already passed state tests. Testing equipment cannot be delivered to combat units

Exactly the same news was a couple of years ago when the Su-35 entered the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment. Now he entered 22 and that's it.
about the su-27. as an analogue of the fact that in "Cannot equipment undergoing trial operation be supplied to combat units"
“By that time, the Su-27 had already been in operation for 5 years. From combat units, the first in June 1985 to receive the Su-27 were pilots of 60 IAP of the Far Eastern Military District (Dzemgi). By 1989. Su-27 aircraft were in service in 16 combat units of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the USSR. "
http://www.sukhoi.org/planes/military/su27sk/history/

Quote: alexej123

As for the media - you pay attention to yours, what nonsense they are. I no longer laugh - I want to cry out of pity for you, what a pile of "your most honorable in the world." And a link about the Su-35 http://warfiles.ru/show-105772-krasota-i-mosch-na-dalnem-vostoke.html

And at the same time you give a link to the media where every 5 seconds they talk about "unparalleled" and the word "super", etc. The pilot's story about the usual autopilot that is now on all aircraft is ....
what pity? hmm no need to cry I'm fine, but thanks for the experience.

[alexej123]

So did he enter the second aviation regiment? Like this? Not having passed the state test?
And for analogues - well, give an example? F-22? May be. And the rest?

[iwind]

Quote: alexej123

So did he enter the second aviation regiment? Like this? Not having passed the state test?
And for analogues - well, give an example? F-22? May be. And the rest?

So once again, the presence of an aircraft in combat units or avia regiments is not an indicator of the passage of gci and adoption of weapons. Read carefully
The Su-27 was adopted by a government decree from August 23 1990 years, only after all the main shortcomings identified in the tests were eliminated. By this time, the Su-27 was in operation for 5 years. Of the combat units, the first in June 1985, Su-27 pilots received 60 IAPs of the Far Eastern Military District (Dzemgi). It was 1989 Su-27 aircraft were in service in 16 combat units of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the USSR. "
Yes And f-22 had a similar procedure, at the time of adoption was in service on several drill air bases. This is standard practice in aviation.

[svp67]

Quote: iwind

The Su-27 was adopted by a government decree of August 23, 1990, only after all the main shortcomings identified in the tests were eliminated.

Quite a normal practice. Worse, when a model of weapons was taken into service even before the end of testing and putting on stream ...

[alexej123]

That is, the delivery of the aircraft, already in several air regiments - is this not the adoption? And the contracts for the supply of several dozen cars - this is not adoption?

[iwind]

Quote: alexej123

That is, the delivery of the aircraft, already in several air regiments - is this not the adoption? And the contracts for the supply of several dozen cars - this is not adoption?

No, the same f-35s have had such conditions for already about 3 years. I have already written more than once that adoption is a specific document and passage of the GSI. But I’ll repeat it again (I hope for the last time).
"The Su-27 was adopted by a government decree of August 23, 1990, only after all the main shortcomings identified in the tests were eliminated." - this means the aircraft was put into service. Prior to that, trial operation.

Quote: svp67

Quite a normal practice. Worse, when a model of weapons was taken into service even before the end of testing and putting on stream ...

And I said the same thing at the time of the adoption of weapons was built about 100 su-27 And located at 16 air bases.
But for some reason, for f-35, the same situation is presented as something unique And terrible.

[lysyj bob]

The hype around this project is directly proportional to the announced amounts for revision. It is clear that all planes are born hard, but when the DEVELOPMENT of some mechanisms is evaluated by dozens of lard - questions begin. Moreover, the plane is already publicized as a perfect technical thought and sold to allies.

[gergi]

Where in obese America to get 61 kilogram pilots? It's not a problem?

[lysyj bob]

Well, yes, a carcass without equipment should weigh 55 kilograms no more.

[kolyhalovs]

Female pilot

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: kolyhalovs

Female pilot

Carried.

[kolyhalovs]

Female pilot

[Primus pilus]

How can you do this after the excellent F-22 Raptor?

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Primus Pilus, why are you flying on a raptor, claiming that it is "excellent"? And what is your raid?

[SAM 5]

I'm still in a post about catap. the chair wrote that all the troubles of the F-35 are due to the fact that they did not install a machine with cola in it.

[lysyj bob]

Then it’s better with beer. The problem with the weight of the pilots will be solved immediately.

[Woodman]

I look at them at the development of military equipment, the babosy sawing so that ours did not even dream ...

[Wedmak]

Guys, launch the Raptor again, it turned out better for you. Otherwise fly by ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Wedmak

Guys, launch the Raptor again, it turned out better for you. Otherwise fly by ...

They and the F-35 are not bad at it. Lockheed leads an uninterruptedly open program to create this machine. Of course, technologies are not disclosed, but problems are not hidden. By the way, the problem that is being discussed here is literally cheap for Lockheed-29 million $. In general, the F-35 project reached the final segment.

The F-35 international fighter pilot training center based on the US Air Force Hatch (Arizona) already has 34 aircraft of this type, flightglobal.com reports January 13. The first fighter arrived at the base in March 2014.
Currently, in addition to the American base, there are F-35s with identification marks of the Australian and Norwegian air forces, training for the Australian, Norwegian and Italian flight and technical personnel is under way, instructor pilots and technicians from Japan, Israel, the Netherlands, and Turkey will appear here soon. possibly Denmark and Canada. Ultimately, six F-35 squadrons of 144 aircraft and 14 full-flight simulators will be formed in Luke. F-16 squadrons also operate at the base, where Singapore and Taiwan pilots and technicians are trained.
The first F-35 flight at this base took place on March 15, 2015. Lockheed, together with assembly facilities in Italy and Japan, plans to build 2322 fighter version F-35A

.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

They and the F-35 are not bad at it.

Aron - do not spoil the holiday for people ..

[d.antonov]

Well, evaluate the submission text.
Looks like LM is getting a $ 28M concurrency mod contract to correct a fuel tank overpressure issue for the -A
They say that LM received a contract and react calmly.
right there, LM DEMANDS MONEY, right out. And there is a feeling that here, for the money of taxpayers, the United States is worried more than they themselves

[Kathernik]

It seems to me a colleague You are led to Western propaganda!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, the F-35 project reached the final segment.

When is it being adopted?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: saturn.mmm

When is it being adopted?

Already.

By order of the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Joseph Dunford, dated 1.08.2015, the VMFA-121 "Green Knights" squadron was recognized as ready for overseas deployment and participation in hostilities.
According to the results of the inspection held in July, it was recognized that the squadron meets the requirements presented a year ago, namely, it has a 10 ° F-35B version of Block 2B capable of carrying out the following missions at the basic level - direct support of troops, air strikes in the near and far rear of the enemy , ensuring air domination over the theater of operations and armed reconnaissance. The following types of weapons are supported: AIM-120 ° C medium-range air-to-air missiles, GBU-12 (227 kg, laser-guided) and GBU-32 (454 kg, satellite-guided) guided bombs; all on internal suspension.
It is stated that the capabilities were confirmed during a number of recent exercises in conjunction with the ground forces of the ILC, as well as during operational tests on the Wasp universal amphibious assault ship. In particular, recently it was reported that the F-35B link during the tests won out in a battle with 9 fighters of the previous generation.
The first overseas deployment of VMFA-121, now deployed in Yuma, pcs. Arizona, scheduled for 2017, in Iwakuni, Japan. In the same year, the first regular deployment of aircraft is planned on a universal amphibious assault ship of the Marine Corps.
It is stated that at the moment the Corps has trained more than 50 pilots and 500 technicians. The next ILC squadrons planning to undergo rearmament on the F-35B are VMA-211 (FY 2016) and VMFA-122 (2018).

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

By Order of the Marine Corps Commandant General Joseph Dunford

Saving your presence.
F-35A is going to be adopted in August 2016 and the F-35C in 2018, Lockheed says.
And the ILC has nowhere to go, forever it’s impossible to exploit the Harriers.

[shans2]

they got a brick of the 4 ++ generation, not the 5th, nor normal supersonic without afterburner, nor the maneuverability of our su 35s and even less so 50.
Yes, and the radar is shit, it’s corny not to shove normal ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: shans2

they got a brick of the 4 ++ generation, not the 5th, nor normal supersonic without afterburner, nor the maneuverability of our su 35s and even less so 50.
Yes, and the radar is shit, it’s corny not to shove normal ....

Are you an aircraft engineer? Why so much aplomb?

[iwind]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

They and the F-35 are not bad at it. Lockheed leads an uninterruptedly open program to create this machine. Of course, technologies are not disclosed, but problems are not hidden. By the way, the problem that is being discussed here is literally cheap for Lockheed-29 million $. In general, the F-35 project reached the final segment.

Israel has already received the first simulators for training pilots F-35. Your pilots will be the first to start studying at their bases already in the 17th year. We did not succeed that the first combat use would be in the Israeli Air Force.
About the "great" problem with the fuel tanks.
This is just a contract for solving problems, and by the way, not with a fuel tank, but with a high pressure valve. During the tests, it was found that with certain flight conditions There is a low possibility of tank damage due to high pressure. In December, we conducted tests with a new valve that successfully passed the tests, here is its installation and contract. Which will eliminate these restrictions.
"Last December, the program successfully flight-tested new pressure relief valves that would remove those flight restrictions"
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/fleet-wide-f-35-fix-targets-fuel-tank

-over-pressuris-420812 /
At the request of people about chairs.
The same situation. The risk of bailouts has been and will always be. Even the K-36 chair at low speeds (up to 900km / h), the probability of a fracture of the spine is 6,6% - this is one of the best chairs.
http://www.dissercat.com/content/metodika-opredeleniya-bezopasnosti-vozdeistviya

-peregruzok-golova-taz-pri-katapultirovanii-n
With Martin-Baker's US16E seats, the situation is similar to the risk of injury at a weight below 61.7kg and a low speed higher than the US Air Force standard of 5%. Interestingly, the same limitations have long existed for other F-15, F-16 and 12 other modules that use the ACES II seat. and
for the US Navy, the NACES SJU-17 seat is designed for pilots weighing from 61.7kg to 96.6kg. These seats are installed in the Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler.
But for some reason this does not bother anyone, but when they wrote about the same restriction about the F-35, the release began about nothing.
http://www.dodig.mil/pubs/documents/DODIG-2015-090.pdf
If for ACES II the correction is not even planned, then for Martin-Baker's US16E it is planned to decide before 2017 (summer), to remove the restriction until 2018. Moreover, only one possible pilot who could theoretically participate in the F-35 program was under the flight restriction.

[Gormenghast]

It is unclear where the line between the costs of eliminating truly dangerous problems and the desire to scratch out additional funding for solving imaginary problems.

As you know, the goal of the bourgeois is profit; however, nothing is said about the ways to obtain it, that is, they can be any. If you do not stoop to crime, you can declare any dangerous imperfection improvement and so working system.

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: Primus Pilus

Directly the whole campaign for drenching the slop F 35.

And what a great sadness you have about this, so cry, it may feel better, yes, you can go to the censor, there you will quickly be uplifted, but here, excuse me, as it is.

[Hello]

Quote: Alget87

And what a great sadness you have about this, so cry, it may feel better, yes, you can go to the censor, there you will quickly be uplifted, but here, excuse me, as it is.

Let me give you advice do not tell people what to do and they will not send you in a known direction

[Baikal]

Hehe, a rare situation where both are right

[BaLaLaykin]

what are you advising such an Egyptian king that then, already forty years in the desert, shied away in search?

[gloomy fox]

CSO this is the scope of corruption !!!!! yes our officials are just angels compared to the Yankees.

[alexej123]

They have it is not corruption - it is BUSINESS.

[communication]

They have enough dough. The machine prints. There is electricity.

[LÄRZ]

"It was not about the babin ..." They probably show our master class on sawing. They do it quite gracefully.

[Belousov]

"Saw, Shura, saw! They are golden!" - except for a quote from a great work, I can not say anything.
And the grief of the comrades from the Promised Land is quite understandable - they still have to buy this "technique". And the more modifications, the higher the final price of the car, the more expensive its maintenance. But you can't not buy, the owner ordered to buy.

[Algetxnumx]

Damn, some garbage on the site, I quote one, and stick to the other, put a minus, zero effect and most importantly, mainly for some reason this mainly applies to those who have the flag of Israel, well, there’s some kind of conspiracy

[St Petrov]

Masons reached

[GSVG 86-88]

61 kg, taking into account chips, cola, toilet paper and other ova ammunition?

[Chills]

What an alarming killer whale they get. But we are ready, air defense is growing up)

[Hypocrite]

Locker Martin Lockheed at a Christmas corporate party:
- Sir, we have a lot of money. We will have even more money if we continue to refine this x..n f35.
-God with us, gentlemen, it was he who gave us f35.
-Pray on f35, and even the cleaning lady Lockheed Martin will have a camarro.
- For the bazaar I answer ...

[AlNikolaich]

Damn, well, as much as you can already! Got this penguin! The project is more than 20 years old, more than 100 machines have been built that will never learn to fly ... About the dead, either good or nothing.

[Reserve buildbat]

Judging by the fact that they requested only 29mln pieces of paper, the problem is a spelling error on the tank cap

[SAM 5]

Judging by the fact that they requested only 29mln pieces of paper, the problem is a spelling error on the tank cap

That is, they did not write that there is a left-hand thread on the lid, therefore they cannot unscrew the lid and refuel the plane.

[Primus pilus]

F-22 Raptor is Harley and F-35 is a Riga-11 moped. This is an indisputable fact.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Primus Pilus

moped "Riga-11". This is an indisputable fact.

Sergei, no need to talk about "Riga-11", excellent materiel. I had this in my childhood

[Chills]

Divine pepelats. Then still the eye did not twitch from the word Riga.

[vladimir1958]

Why steaming with seats, it is better to feed the pilot a hamburger to a weight of more than 65 kg. The performance of this aircraft is already average (speed in different sources from 1200 to 2065 km per hour, only one engine, maneuverability, like 3-generation aircraft). One big plus is a short take-off, vertical landing.

[bastard]

leg hit the wheel (joke)

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: villain

leg hit

Zdarovo, villain How many Len, how many Zin ...

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

If only they hinted at what problems the fuel tanks have, they are bottomless, miraculously turn fuel into gold, but don’t give it to anyone, they pluck fuel from themselves directly into the VIP cabin, sorry, the cockpit ...?

[driver]

Nicely Americans saw the budget. Serdyukov nervously smokes on the sidelines and is jealous of "black" ...

[Alexey RA]

There were hardly reports that Washington was going to spend another 2 billion dollars to bring to mind the pilot's seat, which is now capable of injuring a pilot weighing less than 61 kg,

Not otherwise, platinum weighting compounds will be ordered to small pilots.

[15ghost10]

they will be forbidden to walk on a large one before the flight. Seriously, but what are such lightweight pilots? Or will there be teenagers flying with experience flying 1000 hours on PLAYSTATION?

[faridg7]

Do not trifle, I think for such purposes, platinum is too cheap metal, rather some of the rare earths. In general, from the very beginning, when they voted about the problems with the catapult, I was perplexed in what the problem was. well, the pilots - the guys are not large for the most part, is it really difficult to drop an appendage corresponding to the current weight of the pilot before flying into the seat in the backside? why bother reconstruction of the catapult. Well, it’s clear that here you need to squeeze out the loot, but these guys should be controlled by someone. Is it really that way.

[faridg7]

Quote: 15ghost10

they will be forbidden to walk on a large one before the flight. Seriously, but what are such lightweight pilots? Or will there be teenagers flying with experience flying 1000 hours on PLAYSTATION?

Well, about a year and a half ago, I watched how applicants went to Khabarovsk in flight schools, so small ones like my first-born were mainly recommended to fighters and attack aircraft. My example now weighs about 57-58 kg. Of course he is trying to gain weight, but in the Krasnodar School cadets are fed disgustingly, albeit abundantly.

[ty60]

Well you! Be sure from palladium!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ty60

Well you! Be sure from palladium!

From depleted uranium.

[Velizariy]

The Israelis very successfully mastered the money.
Israel has ordered 33 of these aircraft, under very "specific" conditions:
The first batch of 19 cars cost the Jews $ 2,7 billion, but Lockheed Martin pledged to purchase parts and components in Israel for the entire program for $ 4 billion, without Israel’s investment in the aircraft development program! I must say that these conditions shocked other US partners in the program, in particular, Norway, Denmark and Italy.
The next order included 14 aircraft for already 2,8 billion (+ option for 17 cars) - in response, it seems, the program of return purchases was expanded to 9 billion dollars.
In particular, Israeli companies supply for the F-35 (I repeat - not only for their own - for everyone!) Wings, helmet displays and composite elements for the fuselage ...
The Israeli aircraft of modification "I" themselves will have differences in onboard electronics, in particular in electronic warfare systems. In addition, Israel plans to take part in the development of a 2-seater version of the aircraft.
In total, the Israeli Air Force is going to buy 95 F-35.

He is a Jew and a Jew in Lockhead ... Ato Serdyukov, Serdyukov ...)) He still needs to grow to a similar level))) Buy these pepelats from the USA for the money of the USA themselves !!! Yes, on the condition that the United States will buy from Jews something for three times the amount !!! It is a masterpiece...! ordinary Americans should at least be embarrassed.
PS Therefore, it’s not the fault of the forum users from Israel this device, a free device ...) F 35 for them as a bonus.

[AlNikolaich]

Something I suppose that airplanes with the letter I will have an order of magnitude less problems.
In addition, the gesheftik is not bad. The production of composite elements of large size, the technology is not simple, and very promising.

[Support]

Sawing saw .....

[bmv04636]

well, not a cool pingwit for "light elves" and their friends, the professor will not let you lie

[Gormenghast]

Well, the pilot's seat is really, rightly. Only it was necessary to force the manufacturer at his own expense to fix, and even fined. And what's wrong with tanks? small or what?

[Cananecat]

Is it we who have learned to cut the budget from them, or are they with us?

[forester]

It is very interesting to read the opinions of the pilots who are being prepared for the F-35. There are many negative reviews, but these are not simple pilots, but who have already flown a lot and in many ways. They constantly minus me for criticizing this plane, and I will criticize it, but on the other hand, I am even glad that this product will oppose our VKS in the sky, and not some perfect plane, as foreign tourists praise it here. In the end, Google will help everyone, well, there is not a lot of breakthrough technologies, but there is an obvious dead end, where a great desire to make an "all-in-one" plane and not a desire to admit this strategic mistake in time has led. Although who admits a mistake when hundreds of billions of dollars are at stake. Let them finish, and the plane and the money, and the news of failures makes me happy. This is our enemy, after all, and I'm not going to rejoice at his success. And I don't understand those people who praise someone else's weapons and are directly touched by what high-tech means of murder the Americans have released. For me, it’s better that none of them took off.

[d.antonov]

Yes? and please kindly refer to a foreign source about these pilots. Neither Hindu Dave nor David Axa who are the magazine ... namely pilots
Norwegian pilots gave only positive reviews, Amer naturally too.

[forester]

Read about Italian and your native American. National Interest Magazine.

[Adhesives]

I will upset you. The son of friends is an Air Force pilot, now in the States he is giving a course on F-35, before that he flew on F-15 and F-16. He is completely delighted with the thirty-fifth.

[chebman]

My friend mastered F35 after a hang glider. So they cannot pull him out of the cabin for the second month - he is so happy!

[Turner38]

When ordinary Soviet or Russian carriers take a Lada for Daewoo Nexia, it seems to them. what can not be cooler than a car!

[Pajamas]

Quote: Lepila

I will upset you. The son of friends is an Air Force pilot, now in the States he is giving a course on F-35, before that he flew on F-15 and F-16. He is completely delighted with the thirty-fifth.

"
Believe me !!! I myself am a Muscovite, I have been living here for 50 years. The daughter of the governor. Just believe me - everything is not so simple with us ... Nobody wants separation !!!

- back in the 1480s

[forester]

I look, you are spoiling everyone who f-35 hay. In vain are you this, here is the Russian spirit, here Russia smells. And you need a Mako portal, a foreign tourist.

[ty60]

You need to rejoice at SUCCESS!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Such a plane for SUCH money ... Do you need it, comrades star-striped?

[Velizariy]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Such a plane for SUCH money ... Do you need it, comrades star-striped?

It is necessary !!! It is necessary))) And the other is not necessary ... Let them all have this!

[Friends]

There were hardly reports that Washington was going to spend another 2 billion dollars to bring to mind the pilot's seat.

I also remembered this when I saw the title of the article ...

Among American experts, rumors spread that representatives of the developer company are doing everything to increase government funding for the development of the aircraft.

"Experts" just now have their sight? Dereban the state budget for most "private offices", which is Lockheed Martin, is a sacred cause ...

Nobody canceled or defeated corruption in the West, it was simply renamed ...

Apparently, considering the Latin designations (lat. Corrumpere - to corrupt, lat. Corruptio - bribery, damage) "insufficiently tolerant".

[Signaller]

SECURITY. Our planes are the best, and these SUGGEST,

[Zomanus]

It's okay, let everyone do it properly.
I believe that it is worth checking carefully the entire plane again.
And that would be a direct ideal, I do not care for what money.

[pvv113]

all work on the creation of the F-35 has already spent (attention!) more than $ 100 billion.

Let them go broke

[Maksus]

Really, let’s rejoice at the failures of which all the time the technology is brought. And how many F-35 are already in service? And how many really new fighters have we received, and not modernization in the last ten years? How many PAK-FAs are flying now and how many are they planned? Let's face it - yes, Penguin - raw, but he is and he flies, and with us?

[Flat5160]

Normal move, how much have they already spent on creation and further on completion? The figure caresses the ear! And in my opinion this is not the last spending on bringing the found shortcomings of the machine. Soon the amount will be such that launching the car into normal operation will be economically unprofitable, and the launch of our car and the subsequent comparison in Economics and performance characteristics will play a role. The Americans in their repertoire, I mean theirs the best tanks in the world, which "pass" any swamps and deserts, and do not "burn" from the decommissioned RPG-7.

[corporal]

It never occurred to anyone that all this noise about the unfinished and unsuitable F-35 is just a disinformation?

1- lobbyists from Boeing in the Senate do not make noise, the Senate hearings on budget overruns are not required.
2- any Norwegians with Italians and other Danes buy a plane (and do not tell tales that the government of these countries supposedly bought bad bullshit Uncle Sam, then these rulers would simply tear their own taxpayer voters like a hot-water bottle, turning them into political corpses) .

As if we, accustomed to consider the F-35 as a complete guan, then we would not have to bite our elbows and swear with envy.

[Pate]

That for them twenty-nine million bucks for fuel tanks is just the work of a printing press. They will print and allocate, so that the machine will fly and fight, unlike us, which our fifth-generation fighter is in no way put into series.

[tchoni]

How embarrassing! And fy the 35th problem !!! Yes, it is mass-produced, about a hundred are made. Flies from the deck, flies from ground airfields, flies like a helicopter, flies like a plane. Carries combat duty at least as part of one squadron ...
And they have all the problems ...
Gentlemen, the authors .. Yes, this is your problem ... With self-esteem ..

[Vadim237]

Like it or not, the F 35 aircraft was successful, beautiful, high-tech, and with a combat load of more than 9000 kilograms - powerful enough, and the helmet-mounted control system - breakthrough, albeit expensive, but this attribute will become the basis for other new fighters around the world.

[Adhesives]

Guess whose helmet-mounted control system is in the 35th?

[corporal]

Quote: Lepila

Guess

Made in China?

[Senior manager]

What a talk. The lack of reliable information gives rise to almost grabbing for breasts in comments. Meet - better in a training battle, then you can count. Practice she will tell everyone and prove to everyone. And let's not forget about SDI. Cool investment of money.

[Gerhard]

what close attention to childhood illnesses of the project, what zeal when discussing poor Americans, how much concern about "embezzlers"

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Gerhard

what close attention to the children's diseases of the project,

Why are the French and Germans not in business?

[Gerhard]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Why are the French and Germans not in business?

still there are simpletons who think that these icons mean something

[Gerhard]

is such a flag better?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Gerhard

still there are simpletons who think that these icons mean something

Quote: Gerhard

is such a flag better?

You can attach it to anyone, but let's say the Israelis are almost all with mine, I am with mine too, but oh well, you can live in Russia and love France or Bulgaria, this is not prohibited, it is somewhat inconvenient when you are talking to someone who is not clear, there is a French flag at a person and tomorrow I will go to a French restaurant with a girl, but I don’t know to take a frog with a fork or with my hands, you think now I’ll consult, you ask the person and in response, “You’re a simple guy, I’m from Guatemala in fact.

[Green1976]

And, I thought that only we can cut the budget, but it turns out that we still have to study, and study again!

[Man1]

Alas, comrade, you can’t catch ours. And I set you minus.

[LastLap]

"The F-104 was developed by Lockheed. The F-104 became notorious for its high accident rate and even received the sad nickname "Widowmaker" and "Flying Coffin" due to the large number of accidents. "The company already had experience. )))

[axay032]

ANY NEW CAR NEEDS DEVELOPMENT DURING THE PROCESS OF STARTING OPERATION, SO YOU SHOULD NOT BE SO HAPPY ABOUT THE BILLIONS SPENT, THE STRIPED CAN AFFORD IT. AND THAT'S WHERE OUR T 50 IS.

[marder4]

I get the feeling the 35th will never fly

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: marder4

I get the feeling the 35th will never fly

What exactly is the 35th?
If the F-35, then it has been flying for a long time.

[Wolka]

and with all this, who among the US Air Force generals will decide to release this flying “scarecrow” into real battle? This will immediately be regarded as a crime against the nation, as deliberate harm to the country’s defense capability and an attack on democracy, etc.

[MGD]

Whatever one may say, a catapult will reduce the health of any pilot... But it will save a life, and then... when the chip falls... Ours was shot in the air...

[Cfif2303]

A good plane... expensive... it can do a lot... the more of these planes there are in America, the better... Think for yourself... how much more money you need to pay for its maintenance and improvement... and also train pilots and raise their salaries ...And how much will the equipment cost...So just consider...and if it turns out that our class 4++ fighters will shoot them down...that's all...it will be like with the F-17 (invisible). .. When we shoot them down and the Americans cry that the Russians have come up with something again, we will “make excuses” for the fact that we did not know that this equipment was of the fifth generation...

[voyaka uh]

Everything I found about fuel tanks:
"fire hazard in case of fire on an aircraft."
Those. fear that the fire will spread to fuel
tanks. Fire resistant gaskets are required
in some places.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: voyaka uh

Everything I found about fuel tanks:

Yes, everything is fine, these fuel tanks did not affect the program in any way, they just blow the elephant out of the mouse.

[ALLxANDr]

Quote: Haettenschweiler

- To hell with it, with the F-35. Where is our T-50?

Exactly! Where is our T-50! Not only we, but the whole world is waiting for him with aspiration))
The main thing is that there should not be the same mistakes... otherwise, when it comes out very good, they will release misinformation and be sarcastic, but if there really are mistakes, then Western propaganda will begin in earnest. But then we’ll have to sell it in 10-15 years..

[Denis Skiff]

Another problem has been identified. Now in the F-35.

it's more comfortable like this

[Yuri V]

Yes, it’s a good plane, why do you hate it? he will be tempted to fight with the Indians. but with our air defense it is useless and not necessary........

[fduch]

Lockheed Martin - Nobel Prize in Economics, this is how you have to learn how to earn money....

[red_october]

This just means that we have a little more time to strengthen our videoconferencing.
There’s nothing to be particularly happy about or indulge in hating.