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Slaughter something prettier (part of 2)

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Speechlessly speaking proudly
Naked sabers sparkling,

Arapov is a long line ...
(“Ruslan and Lyudmila” by AS Pushkin)


The interest shown by readers in the material about cold weapons The East is quite understandable - it’s very beautiful, but at the same time deadly, in spite of all its beauty. It is a little surprising, however, that all these wonders are in the funds of the Metropolitan Museum in the United States, but there is nothing to be done. Remember Wilkie Collins’s novel “Moonstone” ... After all, it adorned the hilt of a dagger of a certain Muslim lord, although it was originally on the forehead of the Hindu god of the moon. That is, it was possible to plunder the temple of one god and use his wealth to decorate ... a knife! Well, and then the British looted the treasures of this Muslim ruler and away we go. Then they sold the mined, then ... resold. So, as a result, through purchase and donation - yes, many beautiful products in the collections of this museum are a gift - the Metropolitan Museum just got its treasures. Today, his collections have thousands of storage units, and all these are mostly unique antiquities and examples of the craftsmanship of ancient artisans.

Well, today we will continue our acquaintance with samples of daggers from his funds, and daggers with a curved blade will be taken as a basis. The fact is that the traditional public opinion in Russia in Russia since the time of A.S. Pushkin is like this: once the East, then the dagger of the curve, and the saber are necessarily a curve, and the sword ... also ... a "curve." However, in reality everything was completely different! It is wrong to think that only European two-handed swords, as well as swords with a wavy blade, had a serrated blade. No, they were also in the Turkish Shemshir sabers, and in the Indian daggers!


A Northern Indian dagger with a T-blade pesh-kabz served to pierce chain mail, 17th century. Metal - Indian crucible bulat (wutz). Ivory handle. 38.4 length cm; blade length 26,7 cm; weight 558,5 Metropolitan Museum.

At the time of Vladimir, the Red Sun (and, accordingly, Ruslan and Lyudmila) “Araps”, that is, Arabs did not use any sabers - it was exclusively the weapon of the Turks - the steppe nomads from Central Asia and it was only just penetrating Europe! The Araps fought with straight swords, although not the same as in Europe. Their daggers were also with straight blades to pierce the chain mail of the defeated enemies on the ground, but the sabers appeared and spread to the East much later.

Truly amazing love of Indian blacksmiths gunsmiths to the guard with a shackle. They even supplied maces, not to mention swords and sabers. But they got them and daggers! For example, the Indian dagger chilanum is traditionally an Indian dagger, spread from Punjab and Nepal to southern India, in the 17th century. 27 length cm; blade length 19,1 cm; Weight 229,6 Metropolitan Museum, New York.

The eastern blades differed not only in weight, decoration, shape of the cross, but the instructions on the technique of sword combat in the East were their own. For example, Arab warriors were advised to first strike the enemy’s sword with a sword so as to cut off his ... index finger! But what does this mean? That he lay with them on the crosshairs. This means that the blade itself was already narrower than that of the European one, and the sword itself was more maneuverable! Then, when the enemy had to drop the sword, it was necessary to contrive and cut off his head with a second blow!

That is, we note that among all the other methods of possession of the sword, the first place among the Arabs was felling, and not an injection! The famous Arab warrior and writer of the XII century., Participant of many battles with the crusaders of Osama ibn Munkyz, in his autobiographical chronicle “The Book of Edification” told about an interesting event that happened to him in his youth when he returned from a trip to the Sheyzar castle. He was unexpectedly attacked by an assassin - a member of the Hashiyeed murderer’s sect, armed with a dagger: a small nick. The blacksmith in my town said that he could remove it, but I told him to leave everything as it is, since this is the very best brand for my sword. And this mark has been preserved to this day. ” That is, Osama ibn Munkyz, sitting astride a horse, with one blow he cut the dagger blade (naturally, the blade fell on the blade, not across the blade) and ... the hand holding it!

At that time, craftsmen often bought weapon parts from each other. Someone made blades, someone handles ...


Here is the 19th century Moroccan Jambia, in the sheath. Steel, silver ... glass! 41,8 length cm; blade length 24,1 cm; 263,7 weight g .; 292 sheath weight, since they are metallic. Metropolitan Museum, New York.


And without them.

The well-known English historian D. Nicole notes in a number of his works that Arab, Persian, Turkish, and Indian blacksmiths produced swords of very high quality, and, yes, indeed, lighter than European ones. The blade of the Galaia sword, for example, was about 5 centimeters wide and from 90 to 115 centimeters long, and the wider salmani, respectively 7-8 and 90 centimeters. The saber from Nishapur of the IX - XI centuries that reached us the width of the blade is 3,5 centimeter, and the length of 71,5 is centimeter and it is almost straight. In his opinion, the later eastern blades had similar parameters, although their curvature gradually began to grow.


Indian dagger khanjar (khanjarli), XVII - XVIII centuries. Could not have guards. Steel, ivory, gold, rubies. 29,2 length cm; 266,5 weight. Now imagine that the handle of this weapon is clamped in your hand and you have to wield them ... Metropolitan Museum, New York.


Albanian Jambia XVIII. Pay attention to the characteristic edge of this type of dagger in the middle of the blade and double-edged sharpening. Of course, in the capable hands it was a terrible weapon. Steel, wood, gold, bronze, copper, corals. 46,7 length cm; blade length 42,5 cm; 425,2 weight g .; 277,8 scabbard weight Metropolitan Museum, New York.

But here the dagger ... with time, he, like the gun today, became more and more status weapons, hence the pronounced tendency to decorate them, sometimes bordering on bad taste. It is also known that military affairs do not tolerate inconvenience, but how then can we explain the presence of blades in unthinkable inconvenient handles? That is, what was more important in some cases? Blade or hilt? Of course, a handle that responded to a certain style and tradition, but then what kind of weapon was it?

In addition, the shape of the curved blade in the short-bladed weapon itself raises a lot of questions. Take a sword or a saber in your hand and wave it ... A saber, especially with a yelman at the end of the blade, will guide your hand itself, whereas with a sword, especially of the 15th century. with sharply tapering to the edge of the blade "we must work." The hand, on the other hand, easily makes a movement in a circle, and in exactly the same way also a saber, a continuation of the hand, easily inflicts a strong secant strike. But try to take in hand "curve dagger" and "slaughter" their usual dummy. Dagger with a straight blade - any number! Arranged flat blade horizontally to easily entered between the ribs and ... go ahead! It will be even easier with the stylet, but where and how to stick the curve of the blade? Yes, even when the enemy resists you. That is, there will be a need for a certain practice, skill, and the more the dagger is not “crooked”, the more difficult it will be to do it, although putting a dangerous cut wound with one stroke of work will not make much difference!


Turkish broadsword decorated with silver and nuggets 1650 - 1700, Length 102,54, see Metropolitan Museum, New York.

That is, such daggers were likely to have a largely symbolic meaning. They say that this weapon is dangerous, but ... by and large, not too deadly (if you don’t attack, of course, from behind from the back, in order to immediately cut an enemy’s throat!). But since I have it, it means that I am notable, rich, armed and have the appropriate skills to use it - look at me! It turns out that it was a kind of passport of an oriental person. We put on our passports of an expensive Arab leather dust jacket. What for? Just so that the cover is not worn out? H-ee! Show - "and I have." Here are just a passport you will not kill anyone, and then both pleasant and useful - and all in your belt!

It is interesting, however, that even the Turks are recognized masters of twisted blades, both sabers and daggers, and they made and used straight blades. Moreover, in the sheath of such swords, they very often placed a throwing dart. At the same time, it was necessary to remove one part of the crosshair, but the person acquired the ability to suddenly snatch a dart from the sheath of the sword and ... suddenly throw at the enemy! Well, if he did it with his left hand, and, for sure, such masters were there, then the enemy had to be tight, he didn’t expect it! It is clear that a straight dart could not be hidden in a sheath with a curved blade!


Indian cutar with ... curved blade of the XVIII century The weight of 351,5. Why should a curved blade be turned on a dagger, albeit of a slight curvature? Metropolitan Museum, New York.


But this kutar too ... is no better than usual. But ... done! “And we are like this!” XVIII –XIX cc. Length 53, 5, see Weight 657,7, Metropolitan Museum, New York.

So no wonder they say that "the East is a delicate matter." There is a lot of what seems to be in plain sight, in fact there is something completely different.
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  1. alex-cn
    alex-cn 19 January 2016 06: 58 New
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    An article about a beautiful weapon - the soul is resting. ++
    But again, this cunning east ... Why do we need a piercing weapon with a crooked blade? It is clear that direct in this respect is better. In Europe, all piercing weapons, from the stylet to the alshpis, are direct, and even there they had to be pierced from the heart, two pounds of iron were driven into the armor.
    And at the expense of the last cutter, I would not say anything better ... easier with the same damaging area, and besides, when hit by changing the cutting angles, it will go “wider” and deeper. Perhaps when struck through chain mail, he will also begin to shake to the sides, widening the wound. And with sliding blows, such blades inflict significantly more severe wounds than straight ones. In Europe, too, "flaming blades" existed ...
    1. kalibr
      19 January 2016 07: 46 New
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      Yes, such blades existed. But ... the usual ones did not crowd out! One flaming accounted for 100 conventional. That is, there is a lot of work, but efficiency ... well, a wider cut per millimeter ... - what's the difference? There were Turkish sabers with a wavy blade, Indian daggers, even bayonet bayonets, but ... "did not go." So people didn’t notice much difference! Practice hasn’t shown!
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 19 January 2016 08: 08 New
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        Perhaps so, but I read that the owners of flaming swords were placed in the front ranks along with the owners of battle axes, as the most effective cutters of the enemy system. Behaimn also mentions the great proliferation of this type of short sword for boarding teams at the end of the Middle Ages.
        Well, maybe I’m wrong, but the serreytor sharpening now takes place on combat knives, probably not only to show off. And what is more difficult to manufacture, I agree with this. But forging a T-shaped blade, I think it’s also difficult ...
        1. kalibr
          19 January 2016 08: 32 New
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          For boarders they were used to cut ropes! With one blow with a smooth blade you can’t cut the rope. A blade saw - one or two, pulled on himself and you're done! Have you tried to cut frozen fish with an ordinary knife? But a knife saw is more convenient! And on combat knives for the same - in which case - saw!
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 19 January 2016 09: 07 New
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            I can’t attach the image.
            Take a look at V. Behheim. Sec. weapons of attack. The teeth are such that it seems doubtful to cut them. But the blow will inflict such a wound that I do not want to imagine.
            1. otto meer
              otto meer 19 January 2016 10: 10 New
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              A wavy blade with a cutting / chopping blow as if plastuyu wound. It’s harder to stitch a wound; A friend was cut with a butterfly knife with such a blade, information was received from the surgeon who sewed it. From his words - a rez po.ga.ny. Probably the same when injected.
              1. brn521
                brn521 19 January 2016 14: 02 New
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                Quote: otto meer
                A wavy blade with a cutting / chopping blow as if plastuyu wound.

                When stabbing too. Unless, of course, the sharpening of the teeth does not go in one line. The flesh is cut into strips, which, being deprived of blood flow, begin to rot. Surgery is needed to prevent it, but this discipline was in relatively poor condition at the time. As a result, we get an analogue of a poisoned weapon. And the corresponding attitude to the owner: if there is some lump - additional deterrent factors in status weapons, if an ordinary warrior - then a cunning and mean man who is not enough to kill.
                1. otto meer
                  otto meer 19 January 2016 15: 04 New
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                  Yeah. So it is. I'll know. Thank.
            2. kalibr
              19 January 2016 11: 35 New
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              On the table lies and there is a photo of the boarding sword from the Victoria and Albert Hall Museum. Nevertheless, it is more convenient to chop gear. This is not what I came up with.
          2. saygon66
            saygon66 19 January 2016 13: 00 New
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            - Not only ropes ... The wave-like (serreytore) sharpening of the blade increases the length of the cutting edge with a small blade length.
  2. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 19 January 2016 07: 11 New
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    I think or missed the picture with the dagger Chilanum?
    1. kalibr
      19 January 2016 07: 40 New
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      Not attached picture! It happens here! A good replacement, where can you find it?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 19 January 2016 07: 50 New
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        Well, it happens, it’s a pity that you can’t edit the articles.
        1. kalibr
          19 January 2016 08: 37 New
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          Yes, this is a feature of the local press and it is both good and bad at the same time. I found an image of such a dagger, I found it, moreover, from MM. But when I started to attach it got out - "dangerous for loading." And it did not boot. And at the Museum of MM 14 of thousands of pictures that are playing hide and seek with a search engine, they will either appear or dissolve. And yet, he didn’t come across to me anymore! But there is a picture on Yandex, you can even buy it. But I usually don’t take them from him.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 19 January 2016 08: 15 New
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    The interest shown by readers of VO to the material about edged weapons of the East is quite understandable - it’s very beautiful,.. Honestly, yes .. and exotic .. curved blades ... For what purposes ..? .. Thank you, Vyacheslav!
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 19 January 2016 13: 11 New
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      - The point is the peculiarities of the curved blade technique ... An example of this is the recently fashionable thing - carambit ... Direct blades are designed more for piercing, breaking through layers of clothing, chain mail ... In the absence of heavy (or even any) armor, the curve inflicts cut wounds ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 19 January 2016 13: 14 New
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        - However, there are also “hybrids” ... Kochergin’s knife, for example.
  4. Old_Python
    Old_Python 19 January 2016 08: 43 New
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    Plusanul from the heart! hi
    Although the abundance of exclamation marks delivers ... lol
  5. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 19 January 2016 08: 43 New
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    Thanks to the author for the article! And that’s all a katana, a katana. I am always interested in the question of Mongolian weapons from the time of Genghis Khan. Where did the nomads develop metallurgy? You won’t get a lot of trophies. But the leaders of the production of knives were conquered. Where did you get such a lot of blacksmiths for forging arrowheads and spears? And I’m silent about sabers in general.
    1. kalibr
      19 January 2016 08: 57 New
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      Interest Ask. There is a book by Professor Khudyakov from Novosibirsk about the tips of the Mongol arrows. There are many interesting things. There is a book by Soloviev about the armor of the soldiers of Siberia - there is also about it. Finally there is my book (for children, but everything is simple and clear) “Knights of the East”. There is also about it. And the book itself is on the web.
    2. Severomor
      Severomor 19 January 2016 09: 35 New
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      Quote: zoknyay82
      Where did the nomads develop metallurgy? You won’t get a lot of trophies. But the leaders of the production of knives were conquered. Where did you get such a lot of blacksmiths for forging arrowheads and spears?


      Well, you asked))) Would you still wonder about the horseshoes of the Batyr army of 300 (across Yan) (000 horsemen, respectively), well, or 900 people. (000 horses) according to some current data.

      Mzhn to calculate the size of the cart for the feed of horses. Shadowing is excluded (although like nomadic horses without it).

      The size of the same convoy for the transportation of stones for stone throwers (winter still)
      1. kalibr
        19 January 2016 11: 28 New
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        In the magazine "Secrets of the twentieth century" (you can find to see) there was an interesting article about the Batu invasion. The author gives excerpts from the chronicles (I myself did not deal with this topic, how much I bought, then I sell it!) That Batu ... in Russia was waiting for. Some bad rivals of Ryazan and other places. That the horses were stocked with food, and the horseshoes and guides were given, but the Batyevites would have fallen onto the River Sit in the rear of the Russian troops in the winter. The stones did not carry. They took wooden decks, soaked them in water, froze them and "pulled" them. That is, betrayal and selfishness flourished even then!
        1. Severomor
          Severomor 19 January 2016 12: 23 New
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          Yuri Vsevolodovich, brother of Yaroslav Vsevolodovich (Pope A. Nevsky), was defeated in the City.
          Prince Yaroslav went to reign in Vladimir. In 1239, he opposed the Lithuanians (and the invasion in Russia by Batyevo .... horror), who fought not far from Smolensk. He defeated them, and then planted the Smolensk Prince Vsevolod, who was the son of Mstislav Romanovich. After that, Yaroslav Vsevolodovich returned with honor and great booty home.
          MORE: Yaroslav Vsevolodovich reigned in Novgorod in 1215, from 1221 to 1223, from 1224 to 1228, from 1230 to 1236.
          Do not forget about the reign in Novgorod of his son - A. Nevsky.

          Those. The two largest trading cities (Smolensk and Novgorod) TRADE !!! What else to rob, if not them !, from the "Tatar-Mongol giant" did not suffer.

          Threat Here you can still develop the topic of priests and the church, their attitude towards the invasion and getting unbelievable profit.

          ZYZY Do you really believe in Chinese stone-throwers in the Suzdal forests))))) ???
          Try talking to people who graduated from the rear military school.

          ZYZYZY
          Carl von Clausewitz "1812":
          “We could never understand those who so stubbornly uphold the idea that Napoleon should have chosen a different path for his return trip, and not the one along which he came. Where could he have been content with the army besides stockpiled warehouses? What could give the undeveloped terrain of the army, which could not lose time and was forced to constantly settle bivouacs in large masses? Which food commissioner would agree to go ahead of this army to requisition food, and which Russian institution would follow his orders? After all, in a week the whole army would starve to death. ”
          1. kalibr
            19 January 2016 14: 59 New
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            Quote: Severomor
            Threat Here you can still develop the topic of priests and the church, their attitude towards the invasion and getting unbelievable profit.


            ZYZY Do you really believe in Chinese stone-throwers in the Suzdal forests))))) ??? Try talking to people who graduated from the rear military school.



            There are interesting facts about the Russian Orthodox Church and the Mongols, but write about it ... I don’t believe in Chinese stone-throwers, but a Chinese-type stone-thrower can be made just in the Suzdal forest without any problems.
  6. miru mir
    miru mir 19 January 2016 09: 03 New
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    Great article, beautiful products! Thank you so much hi
  7. otto meer
    otto meer 19 January 2016 10: 46 New
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    As for the injection with a crooked blade, I do not quite agree. I won’t tell you about armor, but what you need for “naked”. Besh is not from the backswing, but as if dividing the injection into two phases. First you represent the tip, you aim it (as the great-grandfather said, "you get it"). The second is Davis, helping with his weight (again, from the words of his great-grandfather, "pull out"). Then it turns out well. Do not think of anything - everything is tested exclusively on pigs.
    And if you stab like this, for example, into the stomach from below, stretching with your legs, as if ripping, or from the side between the ribs into the lung, into the armpit, heart or liver. That wounds should be just scary. And another reverse grip, to hold or cut "in swing". In short, I think that in the east, too, were not fools to "get together in knives."
    All of the above is purely IMHO (or whatever it is). There is no real experience. Pah-pah-pah.
  8. brn521
    brn521 19 January 2016 14: 41 New
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    Quote: otto meer
    As for the injection with a crooked blade, I do not quite agree. I won’t tell you about armor, but what you need for “naked”. Besh is not a blow ...

    Something is somehow complicated and not very clear.
    I have a simpler view. As I suspect, the working surface of such daggers is the concave side. And the point with the cutting backswing plays the role of a guide, allowing the point to catch and go deep into the target. The blow as a result with a regular circular swing will turn out stabbing and cutting. It is especially true for all sorts of nomads in silk robes, and even with a strong fit. It is even possible that the weapon did not require any serious training in possession: it snatched out, waved, as it happened, if hooked, then a serious wound. A straight dagger in the same situation can not even overpower silk clothes by sliding along the surface.
    Those. I do not agree with the author about the decorativeness of the curved daggers. On the contrary, it is more natural to deal with them than with direct ones. In humans, arm muscles are better designed for max than for a poke.
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  10. saygon66
    saygon66 19 January 2016 14: 59 New
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    Similar blades work on both sides ... How this can be seen in the videos of Doug Maracaida And silk scarves are still knitted on the neck of the adherents of capoeira, as a protection.
    1. brn521
      brn521 19 January 2016 15: 10 New
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      Quote: saygon66
      Similar blades work on both sides ...

      I do not argue. However, the arched side will surely have problems cutting clothes, especially winter or silk.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 19 January 2016 15: 27 New
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        - I agree ... So after all, what are the places of distribution ... India, the Middle East, the Philippines ... China and Japan are already north, there is less common there ...
        1. brn521
          brn521 19 January 2016 15: 56 New
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          Quote: saygon66
          So what are the places of distribution ... India, the Middle East, the Philippines ... China and Japan are already to the north, there is less common ...

          By the way, Yemen. All male inhabitants walked with daggers. As in ancient times they became fans of wide curved blades, it still stretches. It’s not only clear why such wide blades. I can only assume that the dagger, shrouded in front of the belt, also covered the belly from the blow with similar blades. The belt, by the way, may have played the same role, wide belts like something in the east.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 19 January 2016 16: 14 New
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            -You cannot pinch a wide cut (puncture) with your palm ... But the belt in the East is a multifunctional thing ... In Uzbekistan, I saw how old people use a waist scarf as an over-the-shoulder bag, or even a bag over his shoulder ... Pockets in the traditional eastern clothing not provided ...
  11. brn521
    brn521 19 January 2016 14: 59 New
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    That is, Osama ibn Munkyz, riding a horse, with one blow cut the dagger’s blade (naturally, the blow fell on his blade, and not across the blade) and ... the hand holding it!

    Here is a trained character demonstrating the power of the blow. Sword in loose 15kg. vise and three metal plates. The result is a broken shank of a fixed sword. A dagger with a heated blade and nothing else shines - will fly to smithereens. Crumpled and embossed plates from fixtures. And moral: you have to get away from a strong blow, armor again will not last long, and blocking with a blade is of little use. But there is a serious jamb - the character’s sword was made just for such crash tests and is probably overstretched - there are no noticeable test marks on the blade. Whereas with Clements with the company, with the same layouts, weapon blades were killed in the trash.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 19 January 2016 15: 21 New
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      - Wow! But the text says that the assassin held the dagger, pressing it to his forearm ... the dagger held by the “reverse” grip lies flat on the back of the forearm. The calculation is that the blade of the sword slides (merges) along the blade ... Osama chopped off the horse, the assassin closed himself from a blow from above (in appearance it looks like an age-uke block, in karate), but apparently the killer did not calculate the angle .. The blow of the sword fell into the flat blade of the dagger at an angle close to 90, and the steel could not stand it ... the hand was naturally too ... Assassins, they were famous for being stranglers - quiet men, and then ran into an experienced grunt ...
  12. Andrey77
    Andrey77 19 January 2016 15: 34 New
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    Thank you for the article! Status defeated expediency. This is only in the east.
  13. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 19 January 2016 16: 35 New
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    Quote: Severomor
    Quote: zoknyay82
    Where did the nomads develop metallurgy? You won’t get a lot of trophies. But the leaders of the production of knives were conquered. Where did you get such a lot of blacksmiths for forging arrowheads and spears?


    Well, you asked))) Would you still wonder about the horseshoes of the Batyr army of 300 (across Yan) (000 horsemen, respectively), well, or 900 people. (000 horses) according to some current data.

    Mzhn to calculate the size of the cart for the feed of horses. Shadowing is excluded (although like nomadic horses without it).

    The size of the same convoy for the transportation of stones for stone throwers (winter still)

    I asked, but you did not answer. wassat Deputy on the rear of Genghis Khan must sing songs. Feed tighter cavalry in the winter in our forest. Hmm ... that's something. And roads, roads, they are still gone.
    1. Severomor
      Severomor 19 January 2016 17: 25 New
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      Quote: zoknyay82
      I asked, but you did not answer.


      I have no answer to such a question, sorry, I’m looking for it myself and don’t find it)))
      And here also the soldiers need to eat. No, I understand, they are warriors - therefore, they are hardy. Well, a day or two, and then I want to eat further ...
      The diet of soldiers of the Russian Army was determined by order of the Minister of War No. 346 of March 22, 1899.
      Only two lines:
      Provisions

      Army rye bread - 2254 gr Guard - 2254 gr
      or Rye crackers Army - 1539 gr Guard - 1539 gr

      Groats (millet, buckwheat,
      oat, rice) Army - 238gr Guard - 307gr

      Total (which receives the most in the payroll))))) = 2,5 kg per person

      It would seem easier to crackers, it would be possible to feed the soldiers breadcrumbs. No you can not.
      “... crackers were given only for the most extreme cases to feed the soldiers, since their frequent and abundant use could lead to negative consequences. This is clearly seen, for example, from the telegram of the commander of the Manchurian army during the Russo-Japanese War to the Minister of War: "... all the troops at all times ate baked bread cooked in mobile field bakeries, which explains the absence of cracked diarrhea in the army, despite the most adverse climatic conditions conditions…""

      What do we have. Army 1 thousand people. A day consumes 2500 kg. Per month - 75 000 kg. There is a sled (cart) carrying capacity - 200 pounds no more. A total of 375 carts. Many or few? I don’t know ...... "Vague doubts torment me" (c). And this is only for a thousand people.
      1. brn521
        brn521 20 January 2016 11: 33 New
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        Quote: Severomor
        What do we have. Army 1 thousand people. A day consumes 2500 kg.

        We still have to turn bread into flour, of course. Judging by the instructions for the bread maker, divide the mass of bread by about 1,5. Give cereals as guards - a total of 1,8 kg per nose. 200 kg carrying capacity is not a cart, but a drag. GOST 1142-90, the list contains the simplest cart with a minimum carrying capacity of 0,75 tons, and up to 2 tons. Take 750kg after all. Total per month is sort of like 72 carts.
        However, nomads do not particularly need it. Mobility is big, there are a lot of pack and winding horses. Consider the whole army - it's foragers, while there is someone to rob. Of course, they also had carts - all kinds of tents and other nishtyaks for the nobility, and on the way back - loot and slaves. But the loss of such a convoy is not as critical as for a foot army. The only way to squeeze such enemy neighbors is their camp.
  14. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 19 January 2016 17: 13 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the work on the article. The debate about the effectiveness of the cold box varieties is akin to the controversy of modern motorists. Like, which is better? Shipovka or Velcro .... And there is no end to them. Here is the same "Turkish broadsword." It is pointless to argue about its advantages and disadvantages. This is a typical cavalry weapon. Moreover, Europeanized under Reytirs and cuirassiers in cuirasses. Strong on the breakdown of light armor and having lost effectiveness in a secant hit on a horseless target. Turkish cavalry at that time "sharpened" to fight with Eurodragoons and cuirassiers (heavy cavalry). Accordingly, this blade came into service. Maybe he was not massive. Most likely it was of limited use precisely in the equestrian system of small in number of heavy-horse units, which is not inherent in the East. Nevertheless, the lineup is interesting. Monstrous even. The heavy blade is equipped with a handle inherent in the saber. As a result, the "accuracy" of the cutting-cutting saber (checkers) was lost. Also, a strong grip and the power of a straight sword were lost. Not for nothing, this type of weapon is not common and is rather a museum and decorative invention.
  15. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 19 January 2016 19: 45 New
    +4
    Delighted and fascinated.
    Something from melee weapons is not sickly, just look.
    I can not resist, so that I can’t grab the beautiful piece of iron in my hands and turn it around.
    They even give gifts - albeit with explanations that they don’t give the cold ... they demand that I "take it away".
    Peerless publication.
    You look, do not tear your eyes.
    .
    I suspect that the exclusive copies also had proper names, Al-Zulfikar, for example.
    Daggers and swords - ar-Rahman ... what ... ar-Rahim ..... gracious and merciful.
    ....
    Vyacheslav Olegovich .... your publications are already subject to control. Office for NON.
    The same .... as you sit on your materials and haven’t had them for a while - breaking starts.
    .
    Thanks for the stuff. Brilliantly.
    1. miru mir
      miru mir 19 January 2016 20: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Something from melee weapons is not sickly, just look.

      The same garbage laughing
    2. kalibr
      20 January 2016 14: 23 New
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      Now I'm working on material to continue this topic, so there will be more, do not worry. Found a picture of a bronze dagger at Sotheby's. Copied. I really want to cast it. But you need to make a master model of plasticine and polystyrene. And once - I write articles. Also ... a habit already!
      1. Lekov L
        Lekov L 21 January 2016 13: 11 New
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        Thank you very much!
        We are waiting!
        Yours!
  16. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 January 2016 20: 52 New
    +1
    It’s not shameful to die from such weapons ...
  17. miru mir
    miru mir 21 January 2016 13: 27 New
    +1
    And do not give a link to the first article; I missed something hi
  18. tan0472
    tan0472 31 March 2016 10: 54 New
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    Indian dagger khanjar (khanjarli). Now imagine that the handle of this weapon is clamped in your hand and you have to wield it ...
    And if this dagger hung on the left for the left hand and reverse grip?