Military Review

War greeting

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Even those people who are very far from the army and military service and have no relation to it are well known for the ritual of military greeting. Speaking in the language of encyclopedias, military greeting is the greeting of military personnel or formations of the Armed Forces of different countries, established in accordance with the governing documents. Military greetings refer to military rituals, traditions, or military etiquette. Earlier, the military salute was also called salute, saluting, salute, it can also be designated by the word "trump." In this case, the hypotheses of the occurrence of this army ritual there is a sufficient amount.


According to one version, the military greeting came to us from the Middle Ages, being a knightly tradition. Meeting with each other, the knights lifted the visor of their helmets with a flick of a hand to show that a friend’s face was hidden under it (this version does not take into account the fact that all knights had their coats of arms on shields, clothes, flags, this was enough to a friend managed to identify a friend). According to another version, raising the visor of the helmet, they demonstrated their peaceful intent. This was done with the right hand in order to show that the knight is not yet ready to start the battle and does not have aggressive intentions. Such a gesture seemed to say that "in my right hand now there is no weapons". At the same time, among the peoples who were deprived of heavily armed cavalry (the Mongols, the Indians who inhabited North America), the salute was a simple demonstration of the open right hand. The era of chivalry also includes the most romantic version of the appearance of the military greeting. With such a gesture, the knight at the tournament covered his eyes, defending himself against the dazzling beauty of the beautiful lady's heart, who was watching his performance.

War greeting


But, most likely, the military salute in the form in which it is known to us today, appeared in the UK. The version that such a greeting arose on the British Isles in the 18th century is documented by military regulations. In those years, in many armies of the world, junior military officials, greeting their elders in rank, took off their hats or other headgear. So it was in the UK, but over time the headgear, especially in the elite divisions, became very cumbersome, so the greeting came down to the usual raising of the hand to the headdress and touching the visor. The well-known greeting to all of us first took shape in 1745 year in the regiment of the coldstream guardsmen - an elite unit of the personal protection of the Queen of England. At the same time, military ammunition was constantly changing, and the gesture was slightly transformed.

Over time, even the very touch of the headdress disappeared. According to one of the versions, the replacement of a headdress removal with a simple presentation of a hand to them can be associated not only with heavy and bulky headgear, but also with the wide distribution of firearms. The first samples of small arms were difficult to call perfect. The hands of the soldiers were almost always soiled with soot, as they needed to set fire to the oppression of the muskets, soiled their hands and when reloading small arms. Thus, dirty hands in soot could cause damage to the headgear when trying to remove it for greeting.

Military greetings in the UK


At the same time, in a military salutation of any army in the world they do not lower their eyes or bow their heads, which speaks of mutual honor, regardless of rank, rank or rank. There is also no question what kind of hand they salute in the army. Always right. At the same time, the gesture itself and the turn of the palm may vary slightly in different countries of the world. For example, since the XNUMXth century, in the British army, a hand raised to the right eyebrow was turned outward with the palm of the hand. Such a greeting is preserved in the army and the air force, at the same time in the royal navy since the time of sailing ships, when the hands of sailors were dirty with tar and tar, and showing dirty palms was unworthy, during a military greeting, the palm was turned down. Exactly the same greeting was received in France. In the American army, a greeting could be taken from the English naval fleet. At the same time, in the United States during a military greeting, the palm is turned down, and the hand, which is extended slightly forward, is as if covering the eyes from the sun. In the Italian army, the palm is carried out above the visor in front.

For many, it can be a revelation to the fact that soldiers and officers in the German army at the time of the Second World War did not at all zigzagovli right and left, as can often be seen in feature films. In parts of the Wehrmacht, for almost the entire war, a standard military salute was adopted with the right hand placed at the head, which was prescribed in the statute. The introduction of a party or Nazi greeting in the Wehrmacht took place only on July 24, 1944, immediately after the unsuccessful attempt on Adolf Hitler, which was organized by the officers.



In the Russian Empire, up to 1856, the military salutation was not performed with the whole palm, but only with the index and middle finger. To this day, such a greeting has been preserved in the Polish armed forces. Since 1856, after the end of the Crimean War, in the army of Tsarist Russia, and then the Soviet Army and the modern Russian army, the military salute is given with the whole palm. At the same time, the middle finger looks at the temple, slightly touching the cap of the uniform cap. From here, by the way, there are synonyms for the return of military honor or military salutation - to take the visor, to greet, etc.

Currently, the rules of military salutation in the Russian Federation are also obligatory for persons who have already been dismissed from military service when they wear military uniforms. In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the military salute is performed by the closed fingers of the right hand, the hand is extended. Unlike the armies of some other states, with an uncovered head, a military salute in the Russian army is carried out without a hand being raised by accepting a combat position for the serviceman.

Military greetings in Poland


When moving in formation, the military salute is as follows: the guide puts his hand to the headdress, and the line presses his hands at the seams. Together, they move to the drill and turn their heads as they pass by the commanding staff. When passing to meet units or other servicemen, it suffices that the military salute fulfill the guide. At the same time, in the Russian army, at a meeting, the junior in rank must be the first to greet the senior in rank, and the senior in rank may perceive the failure to comply with the military greeting during the meeting as an insult. In the absence of a headdress on a serviceman, the greeting is performed by turning the head and taking the combat position (the body is straightened, hands at the seams).

But by no means in all countries the military salutation of senior officers is the duty of a military man. For example, in modern units of the Israel Defense Forces, the procedure of giving honor at the sight of a senior officer is mandatory only during the course of a young fighter. In all other cases, military greeting is not an obligation, but is the right of a soldier. In parallel with this, the prisoners of the Israeli military prisons (an analogue of the national guardhouse) are deprived of this right at all.

Military greeting in Russia


In all countries, the military salute is given exclusively by the right hand. The question of which state is given the honor with his left hand usually arises when high-ranking government officials, due to inexperience or oversight, violate the rules of military salutation, which are either an unshakable tradition or fixed by charters. A serious difference in the military salute is not the hand that is given the honor, but only the presence or, on the contrary, the absence of a headdress on a soldier during this military ritual.

The well-known expression “they don’t put a hand on an empty head” in Russia is usually remembered in the same context as the tradition of military greeting in the United States. In the US Army, the presence of a headdress on a military man when putting a hand to his head is not mandatory. Historians justify this difference as follows. During the civil war of the North and the South (1861-1865 years), the northerners won. Historyas you know, the winners write, which form these or other traditions. Unlike the army of the southerners, the army of the Union, which won the war, was formed mainly of volunteers. Many of these volunteers, especially at the beginning of the war, were dressed in civilian clothes. From this we can conclude that sometimes the caps of the rank and file of the army of northerners were not at all - hence the tradition of military greeting, regardless of whether the headdress is on the soldier or not.

Military greeting in the USA


At the same time, the military salute, which looks organic in peacetime, fades into the background or even further. In many conflicts of the 20th century, statutory conventions and military subordination posed a danger to the lives of their elders. In mass culture, this is well reflected in the American films “Saving Private Ryan” and “Forrest Gump”, in which there are episodes when soldiers are being dragged from more experienced comrades for giving a military salute to their commanders. During hostilities, it helps the enemy's gunners and snipers to determine their priority goal.

Information sources:
http://masterok.livejournal.com/1456518.html
http://fb.ru/article/217526/voinskoe-privetstvie-ili-kakoy-rukoy-otdayut-chest#image1022221
http://warspot.ru/1448-voinskoe-privetstvie
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  1. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 15 January 2016 06: 37 New
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    A military greeting in Albania, the so-called Zogist greeting, is used today as a civil greeting in some countries. In some countries of Latin America, for example in Mexico, civilians use a greeting similar to the Zogist saluting the national flag.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 15 January 2016 08: 27 New
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      Very good informative article! I read it with pleasure and interest!
      Thanks to the author!
      1. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 15 January 2016 13: 16 New
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        military greetings came to us from the middle ages

        But what about the Roman salute?
        The Horace brothers vow to win. The painting reflects the event of the 7 century BC
    2. stopkran
      stopkran 15 January 2016 16: 33 New
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      A svidomye pravoseki type stick a knife into the chest. )))
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 15 January 2016 06: 38 New
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    It was always annoying and annoying to use the expression "Saluted" instead of "Military salute". The soldier saluted. Br-r.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 15 January 2016 07: 07 New
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      Quote: ImPerts
      It was always annoying and annoying to use the expression "Saluted" instead of "Military salute". The soldier saluted. Br-r.

      So figure out why it annoys you ...
      "... saluting ..." "... saluting ..." "saluting military honors" "saluting the feast of the Nativity of Christ" "saluting military honor" ... Or, in short, "saluting" ... What can it be annoying?
      ... in this case it is necessary, as they say - "either to put on cowards, or to change a nickname" ...
      1. Moore
        Moore 15 January 2016 07: 46 New
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        Quote: CONTROL
        Or briefly - "honor" ... What can be annoying here?
        ... in this case it is necessary, as they say - "either to put on cowards, or to change a nickname" ...

        For people who did not serve in the army, fiction writers and simply do not pay attention to trifles - nothing can annoy.
        For UVS and StrU reading and fulfilling their requirements - annoying. About the same as calling a division a unit, and a regiment a unit.
        1. Beaver
          Beaver 15 January 2016 22: 04 New
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          Quote: Moore
          annoying. About the same as calling a division a unit, and a regiment a unit.

          Or pull the trigger. laughing
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 15 January 2016 09: 53 New
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        Quote: CONTROL
        So figure out why it annoys you ...

        “Salute” is purely civilian, but the military “Salute” each other, or “Salute,” for example, when “GIVING HONOR to the fallen soldiers. You are simply phrasing the word“ GIVING ”in the wrong knee.

        But in principle: HONOR have those who have it.
        Something like that.

        These concepts are understood by ALL servicemen, especially HUMAN RESOURCES, who have devoted their entire lives to the military service of their country.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 January 2016 15: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          You simply do not phrase the word GIVING in that kolenor.

          Quite right, for a civilian, "saluting" is an established speech structure, but for a professional soldier this is the very "giving" - a greeting, military jargon.
          Nobody in life uses naval slang, as well as army ... "horn" is one thing in civilian life, but there ... "vovchik" too ...
          And the vulgar "giving" seems to be from the church after all; from "self-sacrifice", subordination to a superior ...
        2. svp67
          svp67 15 January 2016 16: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          These concepts are understood by ALL servicemen, especially HUMAN RESOURCES, who have devoted their entire lives to the military service of their country.

          soldier
        3. svp67
          svp67 15 January 2016 18: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Something like that.
          Israeli Defense Forces
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 16 January 2016 05: 12 New
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        And I support ImPerts! And I was always annoyed by the phrase: "to salute" ... You are familiar with this phrase: "Heart-lady; life-homeland; honor-nobody!" ? And nothing prevents the servicemen: "to give honors" (including "military" ones); to "greet" each other and make claims: "Why don't you, welcome?"
    2. Colonel
      Colonel 15 January 2016 12: 31 New
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      Quote: ImPerts
      annoying application of the expression "saluted"

      This is because I did not have to take a single drill at the SA. Otherwise they would have remembered "Salutation, boss on the right" for life.
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 15 January 2016 12: 55 New
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        Quote: colonel
        "Salutation, boss on the right."

        With us, it was served: the boss is on the right or on the left, always the only way. But in the case of "flight" in the penalty column they always wrote: for failure to honor. Well, I did not give, and I did not give laughing
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 15 January 2016 17: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: WUA 518
          But in the case of "flying" in the penalty column they always wrote: for failure to honor. Well, I did not give, and I did not give

          Sanya,
          good
          Wow, these military flights)))
          laughing
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 15 January 2016 17: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Wow, these military flights)))

          2. svp67
            svp67 15 January 2016 18: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Wow, these military flights)))

            And the warlords? It was not for nothing that such a saying went that when God came up with discipline for the Army and began to introduce it, the Fleet at that moment was at sea, and all Aviation was in the air ... drinks
            Whoever knows the "course" will understand ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 16 January 2016 05: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              then the Navy was at sea at that moment, and all Aviation was in the air.

              Fir-trees! And the "infantry" have to take the rap all the time! recourse
              1. lukke
                lukke 16 January 2016 09: 55 New
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                Fir-trees! And the "infantry" have to take the rap all the time!
                Yes, let my dear comrades Moremans not try, of course, in the 90s sloppiness was all the time and such trifles as the observance of certain points of the Charters were loyal to the authorities. But now I remember Sevastopol until the 90s and I will tell you that it was probably the only city where a sailor was "saluted" to a sailor. And the patrol did not stand on ceremony for violating or not fulfilling the military salute. Probably much more depended on the head of the garrison and traditions.
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      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 15 January 2016 13: 02 New
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        Quote: colonel
        This is because I did not have to take a single drill at the SA. Otherwise they would have remembered "Salutation, boss on the right" for life.

        Unfortunately, I have 7 years and 8 months of the like. Therefore, annoying. And my bosses always emphasized that it is impossible to take away from a real military honor, that the military personnel greet each other.
        But it was not a CA, it was already the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 15 January 2016 17: 20 New
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          Quote: ImPerts
          Unfortunately, I have 7 years and 8 months of this

          I have 14 years of this and 14 years of this, and I do not consider anything unhappiness. Do not confuse the form and content.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 11 May 2017 13: 14 New
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            Quote: colonel
            Do not confuse form and content

            Read and enjoy, Colonel)))
            http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_72
            806/a8af32390173e799b7c271fd64f8bae35ea38c2e/
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            2. Colonel
              Colonel 11 May 2017 17: 35 New
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              Somewhat surprised. Mostly your focus on this issue. If the disciplinary charter was a burden for almost eight years, and you suffered, then I don’t even know what can be said. But I am especially surprised by the date of your comment.
              1. ImPerts
                ImPerts 11 May 2017 21: 28 New
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                Your colleagues raised this topic. Those that give honor.
                Not everyone reads and presents the realities, still trying to teach how to give honor.
                Especially deliver those who served in the post-Soviet reality for several years.
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    4. zenion
      zenion 15 January 2016 18: 47 New
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      Like in a joke. Anka, why didn’t you honor me? Vasily Ivanovich, I already gave it to Petka.
    5. condrat
      condrat 7 May 2017 00: 29 New
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      Before getting annoyed, you should check in the source, for example here:
      http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/usr_8684.htm
      CHARTER
      THE INTERNAL SERVICE OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE USSR
      .
      Military honor
      18. All servicemen are obliged to meet each other (overtaking) to honor each other, strictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter.
      Subordinates and juniors in rank salute first.
      19. Military personnel are also required to salute:
      - The Mausoleum of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin;
      - the tomb of the Unknown Soldier;
      - mass graves of soldiers who fell in the battles for freedom and independence of our country;
      - combat banners of military units, as well as the Navy flag with arrival on a warship and upon departure from it;
      - funeral processions, accompanied by troops.

      And so on.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 9 May 2017 07: 40 New
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        1)
        Quote: ImPerts
        my bosses have always emphasized that it is impossible to take away from a real military honor, that the military personnel greet each other.
        But it was not a CA, it was already the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

        2) CHARTER OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION (approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation from 14-12-93) (edited by 18-12-2006) (2017) Actually in the 2017 year
        War greeting

        43. The military salutation is the embodiment of the friendly unity of the military, a testament of mutual respect and a manifestation of a common culture. When meeting (overtaking), all military personnel are obliged to greet each other, strictly observing the rules established by the Combat Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Subordinates and juniors in military rank are the first to greet, and in an equal position the first is greeted by one who considers himself to be more polite and well-mannered.
        44. Military personnel are also required to welcome:
        - the tomb of the Unknown Soldier;
        - Mass graves of soldiers who fell in the battles for freedom and independence of the Fatherland;
        - The Combat Banner of a military unit, as well as the Naval flag with arrival on a warship and upon departure from it;
        - funeral processions, accompanied by military units.
        44. Military units and units while in the ranks welcome at the command of:
        - The President and Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation;
        - Marshals of the Russian Federation, army generals, fleet admirals, colonel generals, admirals and all direct commanders, as well as persons appointed to supervise the inspection (verification) of a military unit (unit).
        To greet the ranks at the place of the above-mentioned persons, the senior commander gives the command "Attention, equalization to the RIGHT (to the LEFT, to the MIDDLE)", meets them and reports.
        For example: "Comrade Major General. The 110th motorized rifle regiment for the general regimental evening calibration was built. The commander of the regiment is Colonel Petrov."
        When constructing a military unit with the Banner of War (at a parade, combat drill, during a military oath, etc.), the report shall indicate the full name of the military unit with a list of the honorary names and orders assigned to it. When greeting in the ranks on the move, the chief gives only a command.
        46. Military units and divisions also welcome on command:
        - the tomb of the Unknown Soldier;
        - Mass graves of soldiers who fell in the battles for freedom and independence of the Fatherland;
        - The Combat Banner of a military unit, and on a warship, the Navy flag during its ascent and descent;
        - funeral processions, accompanied by military units;
        - each other at a meeting.
        47. The military greeting by the troops in service on the spot of the President and the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation is accompanied by the performance of the “Counter March” and the National Anthem ...
        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_72
        806/a8af32390173e799b7c271fd64f8bae35ea38c2e/
  3. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 15 January 2016 07: 03 New
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    Well, I won’t remember about Obama with a glass of coffee, I remember Bush Jr., also a greeting master.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 January 2016 07: 15 New
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      So what do you want from civilians ... For them, this is just a convention.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 15 January 2016 08: 37 New
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        Anatole Klim
        Well, I won’t remember about Obama with a glass of coffee, I remember Bush Jr., also a greeting master.

        Ha! I am delighted with the photo laughing witnessing such stupidity fool Bush Jr! He himself understood what he did? belay
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      3. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 15 January 2016 09: 05 New
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        Quote: Mera Joota
        So what do you want from civilians ... For them, this is just a convention.

        But for me, disrespect ...
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 15 January 2016 11: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          But for me, disrespect ...

          If a person has not served in the army, then what do you expect from him? If your wife does not know how to salute (military greeting), then this is disrespect for you?
          I am generally opposed to the fact that people who have not completed military service use military rituals, what do they have to do with them?
          Do mumble clowns not disrespect you?
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 15 January 2016 12: 17 New
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            Quote: Mera Joota
            If a person has not served in the army, then what do you expect from him?

            Do not confuse sour with fresh. There are symbols of the state - the Flag, the Coat of Arms, the Anthem, there are senior officials of the state who participate in various government events and are required to observe all the rituals and centuries-old traditions. Do not know, study, do not want, resign.
            If your wife does not know how to salute (military greeting), then this is disrespect for you?

            For 25 years I gave everything that was ... I love and respect.
            I am generally opposed to the fact that people who have not completed military service use military rituals, what do they have to do with them?

            There is a law, did not serve in the army, do not go into the state service, but unfortunately it is not working well.
            Do mumble clowns not disrespect you?

            This is another question, there will be an article - we will discuss.
          2. Idiot
            Idiot 15 January 2016 13: 41 New
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            Teachers and machine operators who did not serve in the army commanded regiments and put professionals in the Great Patriotic War regiments. Shoigu is sufficiently competent for his position. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, appointed to his post by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, dressed in military uniform, at the Victory Parade and does not have the right to use military rituals of his country's army? Are you clinical And one more thing: to insult a person behind his eyes, hiding behind a faceless nickname, whatever your understanding is, is not just meanness. Such as you call.
          3. Idiot
            Idiot 15 January 2016 13: 41 New
            +4
            Teachers and machine operators who did not serve in the army commanded regiments and put professionals in the Great Patriotic War regiments. Shoigu is sufficiently competent for his position. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, appointed to his post by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, dressed in military uniform, at the Victory Parade and does not have the right to use military rituals of his country's army? Are you clinical And one more thing: to insult a person behind the eyes, hiding behind a faceless nickname, whatever your understanding of it, is not just meanness. Such as you call. PS the text was a few words longer ...
          4. tolancop
            tolancop 15 January 2016 13: 53 New
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            Shoigu has a military rank. What can be the claims to him in the photograph? IMHO, just that the thumb of the right hand is not pressed. But it is not very bulging either. Such a trifle, IMHO is forgivable. Complaints about the form? Something tells me that it was not he who prepared it and that his form meets the requirements of the orders. The aiguillette is incomprehensible, but I fully admit that it should be so. But the cap made me happy. NORMAL. For some reason, I always liked the 70s officer's cap. But already in the 80s there was a fashion for "airfields". Now another attack is crumpled. Irritating ...
    2. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 15 January 2016 13: 58 New
      +2
      In the U.S. Army, having a headdress on a soldier while bringing his hand to his head is optional.

      Oh well) The United States Army and the United States Air Force are allowed to give military salute without a headgear only on the premises
      In the United States Navy, United States Marine Corps, United States Coast Guard, military salute only with a headgear
      In all countries, a military salute is given exclusively by the right hand

      In many countries it is allowed to salute with the left hand, if the right one is busy. For example, you go with a woman under the arm or on the right shoulder a rifle
    3. Archon
      Archon 15 January 2016 14: 31 New
      +2
      Thank you, I saved the photo as a keepsake)
  4. Million
    Million 15 January 2016 07: 59 New
    0
    Enrages already when in modern films instead of Yes! They say so!
    1. An64
      An64 15 January 2016 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Million
      instead of Yes! say So sure!

      Instead of "Yes" they say "Yes" ... - really infuriates
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 15 January 2016 10: 20 New
        +4
        Well they don’t say: Okayushki cap
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 16 January 2016 05: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: cth; fyn
          Well they don’t say: Okayushki cap

          Duc ..... Really ..... belay ... wait? fool
      2. creak
        creak 15 January 2016 10: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: An64

        Enrages already when in modern films instead of Yes! They say so for sure


        And why be surprised ... Modern so-called directors with military service, as a rule, are not familiar, they themselves do not suffer from an excess of professionalism, and besides, they also save on qualified military consultants ...
        As a result, the output is so many blunders, so many glaring inconsistencies, as if the film was shot not in Russia, but in Hollywood ...
        Nowadays, everybody who is not lazy is rented if there would be money - in accordance with the well-known law, the quantity has turned into quality (sometimes below the baseboard) - everyone can name examples ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 January 2016 11: 17 New
      +5
      And the rotation around the right shoulder? belay
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 15 January 2016 14: 04 New
        +2

        Alexey RA RU  Today, 11: 17 ↑
        A turn around the right shoulder


        ,,, but I wonder why through the left?
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 15 January 2016 14: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: bubalik
          but I wonder why through the left?

          According to one version, because before there was a shield in the left hand, that would turn to face the enemy with an already closed shield.
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  5. bunta
    bunta 15 January 2016 08: 04 New
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    "Military greetings" is a betrayal of the memory of ancestors, for whom a person without honor had no right to lay down his life for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland.

    "Military greetings" - no matter how you interpret the charter, but this is a go-ahead. Equating the military to everyday life. Typical liberal-Medvedev-Serdyukov innovation, lowering a person who put the meaning of his existence at the cost of his own life to the level of a green man. Paying honor is the transformation of paying respect to someone you meet. Not giving to one's own, they do not give honor, they lose it. The concept of saluting was not enshrined in the Russian army by charter, it was created by itself. By doing this, singling out into a separate caste those who have the right to salute. The charter fixed only the form of saluting.
    1. Halfunra
      Halfunra 15 January 2016 16: 27 New
      +5
      Even poured. Repeat it again. From back to front and slower. hi
  6. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 15 January 2016 08: 09 New
    +2
    traditions in the army should be revered - this is part of its strength!
  7. Signaller
    Signaller 15 January 2016 08: 46 New
    +4
    A military salute in the Russian army is something that is not forgotten NEVER. Especially after several hours of lessons on the parade ground, in the rain and heat. Very sensible comes. The second time is not even necessary.
    1. Idiot
      Idiot 15 January 2016 13: 48 New
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      Until now, after 26 years, I partially remember the Charter of the guard service. Taught with a generator in hand. On the generator, the charter lay before my eyes.
    2. Idiot
      Idiot 15 January 2016 13: 48 New
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      Until now, after 26 years, I partially remember the Charter of the guard service. Taught with a generator in hand. On the generator, the charter lay before my eyes.
  8. erg
    erg 15 January 2016 08: 59 New
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    And again the legends about the origin of the military greeting probably from Wikipedia. Firstly, military greeting in Russia has always, in all charters, been called a salute. The term military greeting to a famous gesture - raising the right hand to a criminal procedure, has entrenched only in modern times. Secondly, by no means chivalrous times, etc. he did not belong.
    The honor was given from the time of Peter the Great by removing the headgear with the right hand and shifting it under the arm of the left hand, as an option, simply holding the removed headdress in the hand. So the officers and lower ranks greeted each other, including with arms and in the ranks. True in the ranks, for example, during the passage of the ranks, there was a greeting by manipulating weapons. It is interesting that if the lower rank overtook the chief in front, he also had to take off his headgear, but if he overtook and put on the last one, and if the chief called out to him, he did not need to remove his headgear again. During the 18th century this rule worked, only with time did the headgear begin to be removed with the left hand. In some cases, instead of removing, they simply raised their left hand and clutched at the edge imitating the removal or only slightly lifted the headgear. But these were exceptions to the rule. The last charter of the 18th century, adopted in 1796, was attributed to the giving of honor by removing the hat.
    At the beginning of the 19th century, due to changes in hats, the appearance of shakos made their removal from the head for greeting less convenient. And the opinion was widely spread that a soldier should not take off his headdress before anyone, even before the emperor (this situation remained until the revolution). Because of this, many officers did not know how to greet and there was real confusion. Until in 1811, Prince Bagration issued an order for the army, ordering the honor to be given while in the hat by applying the left hand to the edge of the hat imitating its removal, and when in the shako, by applying the right hand to the visor, more precisely, it was required to take the edge of the visor. But in no case do not remove hats. Subsequently, it was these gestures that were transformed into putting two fingers to the criminal procedure. But the hands for a long time were different, at least until the two-sided hat remained the main headdress for all officers. Applying different hands, apparently went from the manner of taking off his hat. That is, with what hand was prescribed to remove, that one was applied to the criminal attire. The fact that the greeting gesture we know was introduced instead of removing the headgear explains why we don’t put a hand on our head without a headgear - there’s nothing to remove. Over time, during the 19th century, the gesture was transformed into a form of greeting known to us.
    1. Riv
      Riv 15 January 2016 09: 19 New
      +5
      Everything is correct. This is also the origin of the tradition when the armed junior rank does not carry out any "signals". It is impractical if you have the gun on your shoulder or in your hands. If you drop it, it will shoot, it will turn out badly ... Instead, honor was given with a weapon reception, or the adoption of an appropriate drill stance.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 15 January 2016 16: 24 New
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        -Performing a military salute with arms in hand, the command "On -Karaul!" (Fig. 8), there was also a variant "in the corporal way" (Fig. 6)
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 15 January 2016 16: 26 New
          +1
          - Fulfillment of a military greeting with edged weapons:
    2. An64
      An64 15 January 2016 09: 31 New
      +1
      Informative. Thank you!
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    4. Moore
      Moore 15 January 2016 10: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: erg
      Firstly, military greeting in Russia has always, in all charters, been called a salute.

      Nothing, for example, in the Pavlovsk Charter of 1796. and the Military Regulations of 1908 is a military salute called "saluting"?
      Until in 1811, Prince Bagration issued an order for the army, ordering the honor to be given while in the hat by putting his left hand to the edge of the hat imitating its removal, and when in the shako, by putting his right hand to the visor,

      And what in the picture above is not 1811, but 1809?
      1. erg
        erg 15 January 2016 13: 27 New
        +7
        In the charter of 1796, the term saluting is used in relation to officers and is associated, based on the context, with the manipulation of weapons. In the section on guard duty, the term honor is used. In part 10, paragraph 12, it is generally simply said - to teach soldiers to properly take off their hats, what to do with their left hand behind the front toe and lower it behind the cleaver, without lowering their heads and looking in the face of the person in front of it (literal text).
        It is impossible to judge by what picture we are talking about what year, this uniform is typical for the period 1807-1811 (from 1812, for example, the shako has changed) .Moreover, if the picture, judging by the style, was taken from the Whiskey. This collection is full of factual errors. To clarify this issue, I quote an excerpt from the order of Bagration:

        From the order of the army of Prince P.I. Bagration. September 24, 1811. The main apartment in Zhitomir.
        2-e
        ........ When they meet, they don’t stop in front of the elder, they wear hats from the field with their superiors, and some still throw them away, not knowing that the officer should not take off his hats to anyone. Would it have happened before the Emperor himself, then to salute in shakos - with the right hand to grasp the peak, and in hats - to raise the left hand to the left eyebrow; likewise must do courtesy before elders ......
        (RGVIA.F.103. Op.3. D.873. L.7ob-8ob.)
        I think Prince Bagration was better aware of this problem than we were.
        Finally. Textbook of a non-commissioned officer, chapter 1 (internal service regulations), clause 15 (on military rank): a visible manifestation of military rank is the PURPOSE OF HONOR performed according to the rules of combatant regulations. (Military textbooks. Infantry. Textbook of non-commissioned officer. 1916.)
    5. rJIiOK
      rJIiOK 15 January 2016 14: 52 New
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      In our unit they said "You will always have time to give the honor", and there was a strict "Military greeting"
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 15 January 2016 17: 00 New
        +1
        In one of the films ("Running", it seems) an officer, saying goodbye to his commander, greets him, and says "I have the honor" ... To which a lady of relieved behavior sitting on the commander's knees (there is a mess around and evacuation from Crimea) replies: " I cannot reciprocate - what is not, that is not! "
  9. ostrovetyanin
    ostrovetyanin 15 January 2016 09: 04 New
    +2
    A military greeting and distinguished from civilian, plus article.
  10. bunta
    bunta 15 January 2016 09: 24 New
    +1
    Giving a military greeting to the troops at the parade in honor of the Victory in rank.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 15 January 2016 23: 05 New
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      Sorry - by post. And so it would not prevent certain people in civilian form from simply standing when their troops greet at the parade. Demonstration of contempt? Why SHOW ON TV?
  11. S-cream
    S-cream 15 January 2016 10: 09 New
    +2
    Such a fertile topic, and so little is said.
    But what about the legend of Admiral Nelson and the queen? When, allegedly, Nelson, who did not see one eye, greeted the queen and closed his hand with the eye that he saw, as if saying that he was blinded by the appearance of the queen.
  12. pavelty
    pavelty 15 January 2016 10: 12 New
    +1
    Yes, an interesting article, here you can write a dissertation in a quiet way))
  13. bunta
    bunta 15 January 2016 10: 29 New
    +6
    1716 Military Charter
    Part 1.
    The charter is military.

    3. HOW TO GUARRISE IN THE CITY (or fortress) AT THE ENTRANCE OF WHAT MONARCH TO GET.
    When they receive a statement on the arrival of the Sovereign person in the city, and is due salute cannon fire ....


    4. And IN THE FIELD (or in the camp) ON ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE TO SEND THE CEREMONY ON SEM:

    Upon arrival to the army from the beginning of the company or upon departure from the company, the officers are gunning and banners, and to the main (in the Tsar’s nonexistence) General, officers are only (and not by banners) with guns and privates on guard on a drum battle have the honor to give. At other times, they should only be in a gun, and the officers will give an ordinary bow. Likewise, the alien Sovereigns and the main Generals, when they arrive at the army and leave, give honor to
  14. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 15 January 2016 10: 31 New
    +4
    And it also infuriates in Russian films that some of the "actors" in amersky manner put their hand to the "empty" head. At least with the left hand they would have depicted it like a headdress, which would look natural. I have the honor!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 16 January 2016 05: 35 New
      +1
      And in which "Russian films" have you seen such a "fact"?
  15. Egevich
    Egevich 15 January 2016 10: 35 New
    +1
    And what role does a "military greeting" play, for example, if it is given by military personnel to war veterans? when a major walking just down the street gives a military salute to a grandfather in a sergeant's uniform? think a little ...)
  16. tolancop
    tolancop 15 January 2016 11: 29 New
    +5
    Interesting, but incomplete ... By the military regulations of the SA, the issue of giving military honor was fully regulated. The author has stated only half. Honor is not given to armed servicemen (I don’t remember about a pistol, but definitely not with a machine gun). Honor may not be given if the hands are busy and there is no way to free them .. There are many nuances. And I remember in the training the sergeants taught: "The honor is given to HUNTING, if I am without pants, but with shoulder straps, you salute, if in trousers, in a cap, but without a tunic, you will not give it away !!!"
    It was interesting to know the comparison with the Israeli army, but during the years of service, when we were chewing on the drill, the platoon commander paid special attention to the fact that the junior in rank was the first to honor the SA, after which an interesting addition followed: “It's simple and logical. It is more difficult for the French - they are the first to give honor to the one who is POLITE ... ". It may not be true, but I remember it.
    And one more army observation ... When moving around the part, it was a routine matter to meet with an officer (I was a sergeant), and so, Colonel majors ALWAYS given the honor, but from the lieutenant-starley (less often the captain) there were no answers wait ...
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 15 January 2016 12: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: tolancop
      I don’t remember about the gun

      Have you ever been divorced? wink
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 15 January 2016 12: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: colonel
        Have you ever been divorced?
      2. tolancop
        tolancop 15 January 2016 13: 40 New
        +4
        So I was a sergeant. Because I don’t remember about the gun. Here about the machine, the memory remains unambiguous.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 14: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: tolancop
      so, the colonel majors always ALWAYS given the answer, but from the lieutenant-starley (less often the captain) the answer could not be expected ...

      I remember in the early 70s, while still a boy, I really liked to watch how servicemen, regardless of ranks, always saluted each other on the streets of the city. Immediately there was a desire to quickly join the army or become an officer.
      After military service, in the late eighties, for a rather long time, when I met with the military, I would like to automatically salute)))
      Now, observing the servicemen, I note with surprise that the tradition of "giving honor" outside military units has practically ceased to exist. request
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 15 January 2016 15: 47 New
        +4
        So outside the territory of the unit, while traveling in a convoy, it was a pleasure for a beautiful girl to walk in front of a beautiful girl in greeting at the command of a sergeant.
        Well, you know when the command "Attention. Alignment to ...". Judging by the response, it has always made an indelible impression on the beauties.
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 15 January 2016 15: 41 New
      +5
      Also, as far as I remember on an urgent basis, when entering the premises of a senior in rank (if he is older than any of those present, for example, a unit commander), the first person to see him gets up and gives the command "Attention."
      As a conscript soldier working at headquarters at times, it was a pleasure to build officers in such a situation, up to the chief of the combat unit, the Chief of Staff and so on.
      For an ordinary jerk, this is a special quiet pleasure. smile
      Maybe I did something wrong then. Experts in the charter can enlighten me. But never for such mnu no one spoke.
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 15 January 2016 15: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: abrakadabre
        the pleasure in such a situation is to build officers, up to the chief of the combat unit, the Chief of Staff and so on.
        For an ordinary jerk, this is a special quiet pleasure.
        Maybe I did something wrong then

        Everything is correct. Only the command is given to "comrades officers"
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 15 January 2016 16: 13 New
          +4
          As a private conscript, it would be somewhat presumptuous for me, as a private conscript, to command the "comrade officers" if the room gathered from an ensign to a lieutenant colonel ... As if I were their equal in rank. In a similar situation, if one of the officers was the first to notice the situation, they also served "at attention". Maybe because not only officers were present, but also privates (here I am)?
          I think that in a purely officer meeting you can and should only submit your version of the command.
          The main relish for the private was that the crowd of senior officers stretched along the line from the private command
          smile
        2. tolancop
          tolancop 15 January 2016 17: 16 New
          +3
          Wrong.
          The conscript is in command "at attention", and not "comrade officers".
          But there is a nuance. At the entrance to the barracks at night, the command "to attention" is not given to the daytime officers, the company officer is simply called.
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 15 January 2016 17: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: tolancop
            As a conscript soldier working at headquarters at times, it was a pleasure to build officers in such a situation, up to the chief of the combat unit, the Chief of Staff, and so on.
            In training out of order, as well as at meetings where only officers are present, the command "Comrade officers" is given to greet the commanders (chiefs).
            Quote: tolancop
            The conscript is in command "at attention", and not "comrade officers".

            As you can see, the rank of a soldier who gives a command charter is not specified.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 16 January 2016 10: 46 New
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              Exactly. Therefore did so
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 16 January 2016 10: 44 New
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            I’m not talking about the company outfit. Everything is usual and ordinary there.
        3. wandlitz
          wandlitz 15 January 2016 18: 10 New
          +4
          In June of the 1994 of the year he was at the command and control regiment, then still a civil defense at the headquarters of the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the Kurgan Region. The first five days, when there were only one officers in the regiment, theoretical classes (lectures) were held. On the first day, before the end of classes, the regiment commander entered the room.
          “Comrade officers,” sounded in the hall.
          Everyone stood up.
          - Sit down.
          The commander brought to us the goal of the exercises and was about to leave.
          “Comrade officers,” it sounded again.
          After the lessons, one of the officers, reserve captain Grigory Alekseevich (I can’t remember his last name) said
          - When he served 15 years ago, as a biennial, platoon commander, out of the office setting was considered a chic appeal from “Lord officers”, and now how “Comrade officers” sounds sincerely.
          In the evening after supper they had a small picnic and toasts were raised only with the words "Comrades officers", although "gentlemen" were already crawling out of all the cracks in the country ...
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 15 January 2016 22: 26 New
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        Quote: abrakadabre
        when entering the premises of a senior in rank (if he is older than any of those present, for example, a unit commander), the first person to see him gets up and gives the command "Attention".

        A similar situation during combat duty - the command "attention to the command post!" soldier
  17. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 15 January 2016 12: 01 New
    +5
    And what is the author for the term term he invented: "combat position (body is RIGHTNED, hands at the seams)". belay I really, a sinful thing, thought that in those 5 years that I left the troops something new was invented! But no, article 27 of the Military Regulations safe and sound. And there Russian in white, about the BUILDING RACK (whether someone likes this phrase or not, it's another matter). So, a respected expert in the issue of giving military honor, the second paragraph of this article reads: "... a marching posture is accepted on the spot even without a command: ... when performing a military salute ..." And you don't need to invent anything, you just need to study topic, especially on the military forum! I have the honor! soldier
  18. Support
    Support 15 January 2016 12: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: tolancop
    Interesting, ...........................
    And one more army observation ... When moving around the part, it was a routine matter to meet with an officer (I was a sergeant), and so, Colonel majors ALWAYS given the honor, but from the lieutenant-starley (less often the captain) there were no answers wait ...

    And I remember from the urgent (1983-1985). I walked to the village of Barabash from the gates of the unit and the lieutenant was coming towards me. I carried something in my hands, I don’t remember. I make a greeting, and he clearly so, his hands (or hand) pressed to the body, his head clearly worked out turned in my direction and greeted. After that I respected so many officers (although for some reason they called us jackals in our unit), and I still remember him. May God grant him health and good luck ...
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 15 January 2016 15: 53 New
      +4
      Jackals or jackets called our military officers. These are those who, after the university in which the military department was, went to the army for urgent.
      And this nickname was clear to everyone: the same jerk, like you yourself, but who did not live in the barracks, did not wash take-offs, did not stand on the nightstand in an outfit by the company, but had power. Because of this, such jerks were often peddling worse than demobilization.
      So they did not like these.
      Personnel officers, even very young ones, never allowed themselves such crap. At least in our part. Therefore, they used authority.
      1. tolancop
        tolancop 15 January 2016 17: 22 New
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        We had a "biennial" in our company. Normal man, no greetings. And he was NOTHING different from other officers. I can't tell anything bad about two-year students in other companies either, I didn't communicate closely, and there weren't many of them. But in the neighboring company, the commander had a rare ... condom .. And from his lieutenants (cadres) he raised his own kind.
    2. S-cream
      S-cream 17 January 2016 17: 35 New
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      In this case, of course, you caused certain inconveniences to the lieutenant (if I understood you correctly, and it was the lieutenant who was carrying something in his hands). In this case, it would be enough to simply greet him with the phrase "I wish you health", without performing the greeting, and he would simply nod in return. After all, he was the one who answered your greeting. As it should be.
      By the way, we were always dragged, if you go alone and carry something, if possible, carry it in your left hand. Take your own woman to the left. Smoke on the go (which, in fact, is not welcome) - hold a cigarette in your left hand.
  19. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 15 January 2016 13: 40 New
    +1
    Strange article. A lot of mistakes. It’s easier to open Wikipedia and read, it will be more informative and correct. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Воинское_приветствие
    For example - saluting is by no means done to a person. In republican countries (for example, in the United States), saluting is usually carried out in a military uniform - one of the most important state symbols, second only to the national flag - and is a gesture of mutual recognition and belonging to one corporation, a symbol of mutual respect, therefore, saluting is allowed only in form, and only to man in form (exception is the president, and so on, in accordance with the laws of a state).
    In monarchies, as a rule, they salute monarchs or symbolic things connected with them.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 14: 04 New
      +4
      It would have been even easier to read the combatant charter.
      Maybe the material is not entirely accurate in the details, but certainly interesting.
      And the comments, in my opinion, the material is well complemented.
      Again, the author made an attempt to review the greetings in different countries, so there are possible nuances - this is the way for us, others are different, and the third may have nothing at all like ..
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 15 January 2016 17: 50 New
      0
      - "... not a person"! (C)
      - This is implied ... They explained it to us on an urgent basis as follows: They salute not a person as a person, but a military man ... Uniform and uniform ... Regardless of our relationship to him.
  20. BALU-74
    BALU-74 15 January 2016 13: 45 New
    +4
    The real case is from my service.
    He served as a "jacket" in 1997-99 in a division in the Far East, as at the beginning of the service they walked together with another "jacket" in the garrison town, towards the divisional commander (forgot his last name). My colleague and I split up and begin to go around him from different sides, the divisional commander, seeing this business 5 meters before us, puts both hands on his cap and a marching step between us. We had faces, we even stopped. And he, as if nothing had happened, went on to himself. After that, the rating of the divisional commander in our eyes grew to unprecedented heights.
    And the article did not discuss the question of whether a military greeting is given when you go hand in hand with a girl. My father (a military man) said to me that a military greeting was not given, the lady did not rush for this. You can stop and welcome if this is your immediate superior.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 14: 03 New
      +4
      Yes, something related to the woman seemed to be in the charter ...
      It seems that for sailors in uniform with a dagger, the lady should be on the right, so as not to injure (not to tear clothes, etc.). But I'm not sure, maybe I'm confusing it with a book on etiquette, I have served for a long time, a lot has been forgotten.

      And the commander is well done. He made a thin drag on the gouging.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 15 January 2016 16: 31 New
      +2
      - It was recommended to lead the lady on the left ... and in my left hand to carry any luggage ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 16 January 2016 05: 54 New
        +1
        And "in general"? How is it "accepted" according to the rules of "good taste" to lead a lady "by the arm"? .... Even from the "school bench" I learned: with swords at the left thigh); 1. For military personnel it is customary to "keep" to the right of the lady ... so that there is an opportunity to "give a military salute" with the right hand.
  21. Idiot
    Idiot 15 January 2016 13: 56 New
    +4
    Previously, in the courtyard of each Soviet school, neat rectangles were drawn with circles for turning around. I was thinking about some kind of game for 18 years. Then he played this game for two years.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 14: 18 New
      +3
      So the NVP was ... By the way, if the military instructor was sensible, then the lessons of the NVP received at school really really helped to get used to the army faster. Most of the recruits did not need to be taught how to disassemble and assemble an assault rifle. They also knew how to wear a gas mask. And the initial drill skills were also.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 15 January 2016 16: 05 New
        +3
        Moreover, under normal NVP, the graduate already knew the basics of tactics, moving in a strip adjacent to the line of attack, both individually and as part of a company, platoon, and separation squad, deploying to the attack chain and moving directly in the attack, moving to defense, dredging and reaction to the appearance of an air attack or enemy armored vehicles. And much more.
        And even the girls in our class complied with the standards for assembling and disassembling a machine gun, equipping a store, putting on an OZK or just a gas mask. And the guys all exceeded these standards.
        An interesting subject was. Himself not boring, and taught excellently.
        1. tolancop
          tolancop 15 January 2016 17: 26 New
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          You were lucky with the teacher of the NVP. Although I can’t complain about my own, but I don’t remember to be engaged in a lot of tactics. Digging in with a blunt shovel - I remember. Orienteering - I remember. But how to prepare for an attack - no. But they managed to shoot at the training camp after the 9th grade twice: from AKM and a carbine. I liked the carbine more (a great car !!!), after it the AKM seemed fussy.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 16 January 2016 10: 51 New
            +1
            The main coaching for tactics was two consecutive summers after the ninth and after the tenth grade, leaving for training camps at the pioneer camp at the nearest collective farm. All schools of our small district center. First year 3 weeks. Second year 2 weeks. Classes in the field 4 hours before lunch and three hours after lunch.
            And shooting ... In our school there was a bullet shooting range with a border of 50 m, air guns, small pieces of several models and a sea of ​​cartridges. At school, the military instructor led the firing section, which was practiced at the shooting range late in the evening. After each training session, a shell of small shells swept out from there. It was a song.
            There were snipers. One girl at the turn of 20 meters when firing at standing small-shell cartridges knocked out 9 cartridges from 10 shots.
            In an NVP lesson, if in the dash, the norm was a pack of cartridges per person.
            1. Lekov L
              Lekov L 17 January 2016 21: 01 New
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              After the 9 class in the distant 77 2 full weeks in the sergeant training of the next division.
              (True, the school was also in the military camp.)
              So there the sergeants were detained on us by the officers' sons honestly.
              But after two weeks they began to respect ...
              Then it was much easier for everyone in schools and in universities in military departments and in the army.
              Thanks remembered youth.
              I have the honor!
  22. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 15 January 2016 14: 15 New
    +6
    We stand, as if with a friend-captain, we communicate. Then I saw the regiment commander getting out of the trailer and walking in our direction. And he was appointed just now, we did not know him as an officer and a person. Well, I glance at a friend at him, we turn and greet him. Then my template just tore apart - the commander switched to a combat step, pressed his left hand to the body, threw his right hand to the visor and walked past us with a turn of his head, like in a parade. By the time he switched to a normal step, I felt that my spine was cracking from the efforts with which I pulled into the "string". And so the regiment commander always did. The lesson was for life, how much later there was service, always, ALWAYS, answered the greeting of the soldiers just like that. That is why I never had a chance for a soldier to shirk a greeting.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 14: 32 New
      0
      Our unit commander (Major "Whirlwind") in such a situation did not indulge in combatant, he would certainly trump, but without fanaticism. And, by the way, he didn’t demanded a front step from oncoming people either - you could portray a semblance of a combatant and okay. But he could go as a drill!
      Being the head of the combat unit, he screwed us up in the training for the passage "... this is not a combat step ... a walk ... a herd of rams ... you cannot raise your leg from the asphalt ...". In general - zadolbal ... The attitude changed greatly after one of the parades in the unit. We saw a photograph of the passage of the headquarters. Ahead is our Major "Whirlwind" .. the leg is just not in a horizontal position raised. It looked especially contrasting against the background of the images of other staff officers ... Major "Whirlwind" had the right to demand from us, since he did not give himself any indulgence either. The real one was the Commander.
  23. Support
    Support 15 January 2016 14: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: MahsusNazar
    We stand, like with a friend, the captain ....... The lesson was for life, how much service was then there, always, ALWAYS, it answered the greeting of the soldiers that way.

    So the lieutenant saluted me as an conscript. I always remembered him kindly and wished him good luck. Lieutenant, do you remember Barabash the end of November 1983 the road from the checkpoint to the village of military unit 45052
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 15 January 2016 15: 03 New
      17
      Although a violation of the charter but nonetheless .....
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 15 January 2016 16: 21 New
        +5
        Yes, for such a "violation" should only be encouraged. This little situation has such a powerful educational positive effect ...
      2. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 15 January 2016 16: 37 New
        +1
        And if behind the camera, who else is in uniform))
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 15 January 2016 17: 03 New
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          Quote: Red_Hamer
          And if behind the camera, who else is in uniform))
          65. To perform a military salute in movement out of line with a weapon at the leg, "on the belt" or "on the chest" three or four steps before the chief (senior), simultaneously with the setting of the leg, turn your head towards him and stop moving with your free hand. , right hand on the neck of the butt, left hand on the fore-end.
  24. bunta
    bunta 15 January 2016 16: 07 New
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    Neither in the tsarist nor in the Soviet charter there was an interpretation of the concept of "giving honor". The presence of honor in a serviceman and its surrender as a sign of respect was taken for granted. The charter enshrined only the order of expression.
    Newly introduced refomators cynically equated the concept of giving honor with its loss in women in certain situations. The registration in the charter of the clause on military greeting as a sign of respect reduces it to a formal gesture of belonging to a certain circle of persons. Such as the pioneer salute. Or the Nazi ridge.
  25. Halfunra
    Halfunra 15 January 2016 16: 33 New
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    Just business. Talk about respect for the military to each other. And piled up ?! drinks hi
  26. saygon66
    saygon66 15 January 2016 16: 36 New
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    - We have a commandant, Art. The midshipman liked to do the following thing: When he saw a sailor (or soldier) walking towards him, he stopped and made a turn, turning his back to the sailor ... An attempt to greet "in the back", or even to slip without it, was punished with outfits out of turn ...
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 17: 29 New
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      Samodur, unequivocally ... The commandant - the post is fig and there is no place for rags with rags on it, but you also don’t need to lose a sense of proportion.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 15 January 2016 18: 56 New
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        - Not without that ... After working out the outfits, I asked the answer to this riddle: It turned out that it was enough to change the direction of movement so as to pass BEFORE those whom you greet ... True, there was a case when, when trying to pass from the right side The midshipman sang "nale - vo!" ... and so several times! And after all I taught ... after 30 years I remember ...
  27. Bosk
    Bosk 15 January 2016 18: 17 New
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    Maybe it’s not a topic, but the well-known sign “Victoria” was remembered by everyone, there is a version that this sign was not invented by Churchill, but it came from medieval archers, it seems like if they were taken prisoner, they often chopped off their index and middle fingers with their right hands and therefore, in case of victory, these same archers showed these two fingers saying that ... I really like this version.
  28. svp67
    svp67 15 January 2016 18: 36 New
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    For many, it can be a revelation to the fact that soldiers and officers in the German army at the time of the Second World War did not at all zigzagovli right and left, as can often be seen in feature films. In parts of the Wehrmacht, for almost the entire war, a standard military salute was adopted with the right hand placed at the head, which was prescribed in the statute. The introduction of a party or Nazi greeting in the Wehrmacht took place only on July 24, 1944, immediately after the unsuccessful attempt on Adolf Hitler, which was organized by the officers.
    But the population used this gesture to the full, and gentlemen, German officers did not disdain them DALEKO until 1944 ...
  29. flc9800
    flc9800 15 January 2016 19: 14 New
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    I would like to draw the attention of respected members of the forum to an outrageous fact, from my point of view!
    Why didn’t anyone remember the remarkable eight-point drill drill? Hey serving!
    Well, remember what it was called? wink
    DMB 89 drinks
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 15 January 2016 19: 28 New
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      - If you touch on the topic of the article, then the greeting was performed on 3 + 1 accounts ....
      - And on 8 ... Is it a RB complex or something? smile
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 15 January 2016 19: 58 New
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      Quote: flc9800
      eight-score drill

      Turn in a circle in motion by eight counts, with a count out loud. laughing
  30. flc9800
    flc9800 15 January 2016 20: 37 New
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    Yes, there are spaces in the drill, guys! wink A drill step with a puff of four counts? repeat Maybe it's time for a flash mob to stir up the basics of drill training? For example, on Palace Square?
    Really no one remembers the cry of the sergeant leading the company: "The leg rises under the cut of the headdress!" ??? tongue Oh, youth, damn it! good
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 15 January 2016 20: 56 New
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      The leg rises 15-20 centimeters-times, the toe is pulled out-two, in the knee it does not bend-three .... pauses in the account at the discretion of the officer of the head of classes.
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  32. strannikmb
    strannikmb 15 January 2016 21: 03 New
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    Give Honor. Honor, greet, etc. No honor whatsoever, just raised his hand, saying hello to you, Mr. Officer.
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  33. flc9800
    flc9800 15 January 2016 21: 15 New
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    strannikmb DE, I am embarrassed to ask, in which regiment did you actually serve? lol In the Bundeswehr? wink
    1. strannikmb
      strannikmb 15 January 2016 21: 36 New
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      Do not be shy. In Kazakhstan. 99,9% is just a military greeting, honor. Not the Honor that many people think and speak of.
      CHARTER OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION (approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation from 14-12-93) (ed from 18-12-2006) (2016) Actually in 2015
      War greeting

      43. A military salutation is the embodiment of the comradely unity of the military, a testament of mutual respect and a manifestation of a common culture. When meeting (overtaking), all military personnel are obliged to greet each other, strictly observing the rules established by the Combat Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Subordinates and juniors in military rank are the first to greet, and if the situation is equal, the first to be greeted is one who considers himself to be more polite and well-mannered. Etc. wink
    2. strannikmb
      strannikmb 15 January 2016 21: 40 New
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      Life is king - HONOR to anyone!
  34. flc9800
    flc9800 15 January 2016 21: 20 New
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    That's who has everything with the drill in order! good Just handsome! yes God bless them!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30LNooI_3Gk
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 15 January 2016 23: 33 New
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      Yeah, get there at the service, IMHO, a big bad luck ...
  35. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 16 January 2016 15: 39 New
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    Quote: bunta
    "Military greetings" is a betrayal of the memory of ancestors, for whom a person without honor had no right to lay down his life for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland.

    "Military greetings" - no matter how you interpret the charter, but this is a go-ahead. Equating the military to everyday life. Typical liberal-Medvedev-Serdyukov innovation, lowering a person who put the meaning of his existence at the cost of his own life to the level of a green man. Paying honor is the transformation of paying respect to someone you meet. Not giving to one's own, they do not give honor, they lose it. The concept of saluting was not enshrined in the Russian army by charter, it was created by itself. By doing this, singling out into a separate caste those who have the right to salute. The charter fixed only the form of saluting.

    I didn’t understand .... did you even understand what you wrote?
  36. pacific
    pacific 2 March 2016 01: 01 New
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    Quote: lukke
    Sevastopol .... it was probably the only city where "saluted" sailor to sailor.

    That's for sure. I was there in 1983, in practice, and out of ignorance of local characteristics, I decided to go to a dismissal at a meeting point on Bolshaya Morskaya.
    In general, it was possible to return from dismissal smile But all the way from Grafskaya to the negotiation room and back he walked in a marching step, constantly "trumping". More I was on leave and did not ask until the end of the practice. It was enough that you could go ashore and swim in Holland.
  37. condrat
    condrat 7 May 2017 00: 35 New
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    Quote: Moore
    Quote: CONTROL
    Or briefly - "honor" ... What can be annoying here?
    ... in this case it is necessary, as they say - "either to put on cowards, or to change a nickname" ...

    For people who did not serve in the army, fiction writers and simply do not pay attention to trifles - nothing can annoy.
    For UVS and StrU reading and fulfilling their requirements - annoying. About the same as calling a division a unit, and a regiment a unit.

    See charter:
    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/usr_8684.htm
    Military honor
    18. All servicemen are obliged to meet each other (overtaking) to honor each other, strictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter.
  38. condrat
    condrat 7 May 2017 00: 40 New
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    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: CONTROL
    So figure out why it annoys you ...

    “Salute” is purely civilian, but the military “Salute” each other, or “Salute,” for example, when “GIVING HONOR to the fallen soldiers. You are simply phrasing the word“ GIVING ”in the wrong knee.
    But in principle: HONOR have those who have it.
    Something like that.
    These concepts are understood by ALL servicemen, especially HUMAN RESOURCES, who have devoted their entire lives to the military service of their country.

    Why not read the charter:
    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/usr_8684.htm
    Military honor
    18. All servicemen are obliged to meet each other (overtaking) to honor each other, strictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter.
  39. condrat
    condrat 7 May 2017 02: 21 New
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    Quote: Bosk
    Maybe it’s not a topic, but the well-known sign “Victoria” was remembered by everyone, there is a version that this sign was not invented by Churchill, but it came from medieval archers, it seems like if they were taken prisoner, they often chopped off their index and middle fingers with their right hands and therefore, in case of victory, these same archers showed these two fingers saying that ... I really like this version.

    There is a subtle difference - Churchill’s gesture of a palm from himself. The archer’s gesture is with his palm with himself and is in England the equivalent of the American middle finger gesture.
  40. condrat
    condrat 7 May 2017 02: 24 New
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    Quote: bunta
    Neither in the tsarist nor in the Soviet charter there was an interpretation of the concept of "giving honor". The presence of honor in a serviceman and its surrender as a sign of respect was taken for granted. The charter enshrined only the order of expression.
    Newly introduced refomators cynically equated the concept of giving honor with its loss in women in certain situations. The registration in the charter of the clause on military greeting as a sign of respect reduces it to a formal gesture of belonging to a certain circle of persons. Such as the pioneer salute. Or the Nazi ridge.

    Why not read the charter:
    http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/usr_8684.htm
    Military honor
    18. All servicemen are obliged to meet each other (overtaking) to honor each other, strictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter.