A motorized rifle division will be formed at the base of the brigade in Yelna

A separate motorized rifle brigade of the 20 Army will be reorganized into a division stationed in Yelnya (Smolensk Region), reports MIC with reference to Interfax-AVN.

"The formation of a motorized rifle division in Yelna is provided for by a directive of the General Staff," a military source told the agency.

On Tuesday, Sergei Shoigu told a conference call that 3 divisions were to be formed in the western direction this year. “I cannot but dwell on the most important task of forming three divisions this year in the western direction. The most important task ", - he stressed.

The newspaper recalls that in 2015, the reorganization of the 20th Combined Arms Army was completed, the control of which was transferred from Nizhny Novgorod to Voronezh. According to the publication, “it allegedly included the 1st separate tank "brigade (Voronezh region), the 9th separate motorized rifle brigade (Voronezh region), a separate motorized rifle brigade (Yelnya)."

Last fall, the Minister of Defense reported at the board that “during the year, around 30 formations and military units were formed in the Western Military District,” and “most of them entered the 1 tank and 20 army armies (artillery, missile, air defense brigades, formations and combat support units) ”.

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[cerbuk6155]

Everything to protect the homeland. Well done.

[paul72]

Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

[aktanir]

I think there are forced to adapt. NATO is constantly tricky at our borders, and we should not sleep.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: aktanir

I think there are forced to adapt. NATO is constantly tricky at our borders, and we should not sleep.

And so the movement should be in the right direction:
from brigades to divisions!

[olegfbi]

You know, not long before the start of the Second World War, the divisional system was reorganized into the brigade ...! The events of 1941 are known to everyone! The experience of military operations led to the reconstruction of the Army - Division - Regiment scheme and this is FACT! Fact and experience, the effectiveness of which is confirmed by blood! The reconstruction of divisions, for the geographical conditions of Russia, is an objective necessity!
For separate tasks brigades are good, but only for SEPARATE tasks !!!
So do not ...

Although, all of the above is solely my personal opinion.

[Garris199]

Quote: olegfbi

The events of 1941 are known to everyone!

Well, let's remember the war of 1812. The world is changing, and the nature of wars is changing. Moreover, now we do not have several million soldiers to equip the army according to the Soviet model.
Remember Putin's words about the Chechen campaign - "the army is over a million, but there is no one to send." They gathered a grouping all over the country. Policemen, VVshniks, FSBs, etc. Almost all units were consolidated, since cadre divisions and armies existed only on paper. For me, it’s better to have a brigade, but fully staffed, than half or even “paper” divisions. Sincerely.

[Sergei 34]

Let me disagree. A fully equipped division can solve a much wider range of tasks than a brigade. And now, with picking, everything is in order with us.

[Alexey-74]

it was then, now it’s a completely different time and our divisions are not on paper ...

[Dam]

A few years ago, a big war seemed impossible. Brigades are good for small and hybrid wars. For large, division - army - front

[Ros 56]

Quote: paul72

Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

Yes, everything is very simple, the brigades supposedly have less time to complete the team, since the structure is a company, a battalion, a brigade. Missing regiment. But not all were taken into account. First, we had only conscripts, and there were no contractors. Secondly, this is a Western style, and we are used to divisions. And in my opinion a very important, if not the most important thing, is the history of the unit, its military path, the glory of its military banners, its traditions. Well, compare - separate, Kantemir, orders ...., well, etc. or a new brigade - separate, no name, no awards, no history. In short, as always, they didn’t think, didn’t foresee, we are not scoops, we are like Europe or the states. They like to look west with us, they don’t have anything, but they don’t value their smart men. Everything is as always, from the kings to the present day.

[kurs66]

So these brigades became receivers of the divisions against which they were formed, so that all names and awards remained with them)

[gergi]

The brigade and the division have different capabilities and different tasks. Both that, and another has the right to exist as a part of army or separately.

[zanoza]

In the early 90s, this brigade was a division and was stationed in Estonia. But on the spot she was reorganized into a brigade and withdrawn to Yelnya.

[Vovan 73]

And it’s like in that joke about a bunch of crowbars and parade ground

[gergi]

Such work is ongoing. The army is a living organism. Goals are changing, means are changing. It’s not necessary to reduce everything to money, nothing is done without them; they were invented for spending.

[Alexey-74]

if only it wouldn’t be in vain, then again to the brigades, etc. Although I consider, given the vastness of our country, the neighbors surrounding us, we did not need to massively switch to brigades

[Hubun]

and rightly, as it was not at ease when all the parts were castrated, some bits from full-fledged formations.

[Evgeniy667b]

At one time, an extremely brainless decision was made to reorganize divisions into brigades. Thank God, the reverse process has begun.

[Viking]

Well, actually brigade formation is used in many armies. And where it has not been proved that it is worse than divisions.

[olegfbi]

You can not compare the brigade and the division! In different geographical conditions, as well as when performing different tasks, this or that structure may be better.
At the same time, it is completely clear that in order to fulfill the tasks of territorial defense, in the vastness of Russia, the division is a much more acceptable and combat-ready unit, in comparison with the brigade.

[lukke]

Well, actually brigade formation is used in many armies. And where it has not been proved that it is worse than divisions.

Huh? The division covers the brigade with at least twice as much firepower and this of course does not bother you. Are you talking about what experience of countries and their combat use and in which specific battle or war do you want to say? Do you know anything about the rear support of the brigade and division, what are the features and what does it look like in general?

And something lovers and advocates of reform is not heard a bit ... ((

[kurs66]

The division’s front and front are larger compared to the brigade, so the firepower on the front is not too different.

[lukke]

The division’s front and front are larger compared to the brigade, so the firepower on the front is not too different.

Yeah, these considerations will be given in school at the NVP lessons. For example, do you know anything about the caliber of artillery laid down by the division staff and brigade? Do you know anything for some units that are part of the division’s staff and are not provided for in the brigade? Or do you compare the numbers taking into account that everyone is armed with AK and that's it?

[n.kolesnichenko]

Nowhere is it proven that it is better !!!

[jPilot]

Yeah, we cut from the regiment first to ESCADRIL fired all experienced pilots, and then after 2 years (they recalled that the squadron could not cope with the tasks), inflated to an incomprehensible and cutting-edge unit called BASE !!!! , by the way, this "clown" Serdyukov was also going to form "wings" okay, we stopped the campaign on time

[Garris199]

Quote: Hubun

from full units

They were full-fledged only on paper, but in reality there was only enough personnel in such divisions for a brigade (and even then not in all), which was done. But in the end we got a fully staffed unit, ready to carry out missions, and not "dead souls" with a huge headquarters facility called the division.

[Lord of the Sith]

As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived!

[Leprekon]

For "heating" it would be good to increase the service life, at least for the time of initial training in training centers. This will affect both an increase in the total number of troops and the quality of combat training. The technical component in all branches of the armed forces is growing, while the terms of training, practical operation and application remain the same.

[ALABAY45]

"... (Smolensk region) ..."
Some kind of "pre-war" feeling! Do not bring it, God, but if, you have to ...

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: ALABAY45

"... (Smolensk region) ..."
Some kind of "pre-war" feeling! No, God forbid, but if, it is necessary ...

So I have been feeling like this for two years now.
I remember when they switched to the structure of the battalion brigade, Serdyukov reformers shouted about the inertness of the former structure of the regiment division. Something there about mobility, the best preparation and every other beautiful broadcast. In short, some nishtyaks promised such a reform. What suddenly changed, eh?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I remember when they switched to the structure of the battalion brigade, Serdyukov reformers shouted about the inertness of the former structure of the regiment division. Something about mobility, better preparation and all the other beautiful things. In short, some nishtyaks promised such a reform. What has suddenly changed?

Brigades trained personnel. the industry gave the right quantities. And now on the basis of brigades it is possible to form normal divisions. And not those skeletons or divisions of constant unavailabilitythat were in 2008.

You can recall a similar process in World War II. Then in August 1941 the mechanized corps and tank divisions were dispersed, making the main unit of the BTV brigade. And the following year, corps and even armies were formed again.

[Evgeniy667b]

By August 1941, practically nothing remained of the mechanized corps. In addition, their formation was not completed initially. in 2008, some of the divisions could be brought to the "storage base" level, and those that remained could be replenished and improved weapons. 15th Guards TD and in the Chechen company showed a high level of training. The 10th Guards Division has always been combat-ready.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

From mechanized corps by August 1941 there was practically nothing left. In addition, their formation was not completed initially.

With those personnel and equipment that were planned in 1941 for 120 tank brigades, it was possible to equip a dozen tank divisions. Nevertheless, BTV took the path of "brigadization".

[pv1005]

Quote: Alexey RA

And now on the basis of brigades it is possible to form normal divisions. And not those skeletons or divisions of constant unavailabilitythat were in 2008.

Those skeletons, as you have deigned to put it, had a glorious Battle path, Battle banners, were order-bearing, had honorary names. What the newly formed "super" brigades began to have, except allegedly full staffing and the same readiness?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: pv1005

Those skeletons, as you deigned to say, had a glorious Battle Way, Battle Banners, were order-bearing, had honorary names.

Will you scare the enemy with names and fight with him banners and orders?
In most divisions, in addition to banners and staff headquarters, there was a battalion, with a maximum of a regiment. At 19 msd constant readiness in 2008, platoons of 19 people fought in Tskhinvali. The new brigades will somehow be more complete.
By the way, in 2006-2007, a pomnitsa, someone published notes of a battalion commander from the same 19 Moscow road transport - about understaffed equipment in parks and the fuel trade.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: ALABAY45

"... (Smolensk region) ..."
Some kind of "pre-war" feeling! Do not bring it, God, but if, you have to ...

So the Poles dream of the Commonwealth, they even put a bolt on the EU Constitution and the supremacy of his rights, they want an army under 150 thousand bayonets on Poland's 38 million. But Smolensk has attracted them for a long time, though all the time he gives them a hard tooth.

[TRex]

And they liked Smolensk for a long time

Not the word "liked". Some even tried to stick to the Smolensk land ...
It is best for Poland to "look closely" at the western regions of the neighboring state ... and at their Bandera content. And remember, remember - who knitted Polish children with barbed wire? And where did 90 percent of Lviv Poles go?

[oleg-gr]

Restore defense parity. NATO is constantly deploying its units on the territory of its puppets. It's time to answer.

[Pirogov]

And in the Far East it would not hurt to deploy a division!

[Alexey RA]

I foresee joyful exclamations: Serdyukov ruined, now Shoigu returns everything back.

Alas, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the disbandment of the 144th Elninskaya Guards Red Banner Order of Suvorov II degree of the motorized rifle division, which was previously based in Yelnya. The division was dispersed back in 1998, reorganizing into the 4944th BHVT. However, the BHVT did not live long - it was liquidated in 2003, when the Ministry of Defense was at the helm "strong military professionals of Soviet training".

[Colonel]

Quote: Alexey RA

strong military professionals of Soviet training.

Come on, about the "Soviet training", if you served under Sergeev, you must remember one of his favorite expressions, that with money everybody ... oh, everyone will do it, but you can do it without money. "And this concerned everything and the arrangement of the barracks and field exits and, for sure, storage bases. ”And now, I don’t know who convinced the drivers, the money went to the army.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: colonel

Come on, about the "Soviet training", if you served under Sergeev, then you must remember one of his favorite expressions, that with money everyone does ... oh, everyone will do it, and you do it without money. "And this concerned everything and the arrangement of the barracks and field outlets and, for sure, storage bases

But this is just what Soviet training. Need to do - give the order. And let the puzzled think - where to get everything you need to complete it.
As there, Divov had:

- The charcoal boxes must be labeled "COAL". So, find a paint, find a brush, make a stencil out of something ... If you don't find paint, find tar, it will work too. Just first find Sergeant Thya and tell him to find shovels and send people to cut the grass that sticks out of the cracks in the concrete in front of the box ... Thya is already looking for tar? What for?! Do not. Look for tar. If you don't find the paint. Let Thya look for shovels. No, those shovels that are on the machines cannot be taken, they are just painted. You are just like little children, you have to be taught everything ... In general, I hope for you!

Seriously, now many people are very fond of saying that, they say, the damned civilian furniture maker ruined the army, and Soviet commanders this would never have been allowed. About Pacific Fleet, sawn and sold out in a few years by these very Soviet commanders, no one remembers.

[Colonel]

We are talking about different things. So you want to pour mud on the CA and lick the wooden marshal? Well, success.

[jovanni]

In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Jovanni

In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...

Hehehehe ... the whole joke is that the team in Yelnya was already deployed under Shoigu.

As reported by RIA Novosti, the Russian Defense Ministry in 2015 will deploy a separate motorized rifle brigade of the Western Military District in the city of Yelnya, Smolensk Region. This was announced on Sunday, November 23, 2014 by the governor of the Smolensk region Alexei Ostrovsky.

[tol100v]

Quote: Alexey RA

This was announced on Sunday November 23, 2014 by the governor of the Smolensk region Alexei Ostrovsky.

But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tol100v

But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?

PMSM, because the governor had a whole microdistrict "Kutuzovsky" on the balance sheet of the city, shoved by the Ministry of Defense after the disbanding of the BHVT in 2003. And then suddenly such joy - you can return it back to the military.

[AlexTires]

Quote: Tol100v

But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?

Most likely just a shout, although he is interested in this, because then reliable money will return to the city and new jobs will appear ....

[Cobra77]

Suddenly .... There has never been such a thing, and here it is again. Can someone explain, is it just transferred from a glass to a glass, or is it an increase in numbers?

[Cobra77]

Quote: oleg-gr

Restore defense parity. NATO is constantly deploying its units on the territory of its puppets. It's time to answer.

To restore parity, we need to deploy at least 30 divisions, at least, I am silent about the VKS and Navy.

[tank64rus]

Serdyukovsky excrement with brigades ends.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tank64rus

Serdyukovsky excrement with brigades ends.

The team in Yelny was already deployed under Shoigu.

[atamankko]

Work on bugs, it’s better remembered as it should be.

[AlexTires]

well, all that we see is part of that response to NATO expansion ... And there, like a new airborne assault division will be deployed, breathing life into the military camps built by the Germans ... Eh, to call to account those who are all in 90 shit ...

[kenig1]

First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: kenig1

First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

I always liked the name and the battle group "Division" ...
yandex // Whose search engine is this? They give such horror to my requests! "Russian division", and they give me ss in pictures Well, liberal scum!

[avt]

Quote: kenig1

First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

Yah !? And what? In the East of the country in North Korea, the USA organize army depots? Type Lithuania is Korea and they plan to deliver 200 units of USA armored vehicles there? Normally, they close the western direction with their OWN forces without finally leading to Batskino - "We will screw you up, you have nothing in the west." A timely measure, especially when Batske, despite abandoning a full-fledged air base of the Russian Federation even in the interests of Belarus, did not give a loan at 2,8% in the west, and the last time in Moscow, too ... he kissed a breakdown and drove off home. So ..... well, it’s more reliable. And the GDP, if something keeps its word within the CSTO, well, if asked in the event of a REAL external threat, it will definitely help, but at least with a new division from Smolensk.

[da Vinci]

Quote: paul72

Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

And babloooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Cobra77]

Quote: kenig1

First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

Who will you fight there? China?

[Pirogov]

Do not fight, but divisions in the east are needed!

[bad]

According to the publication, “it allegedly included the 1st separate tank brigade (Voronezh region), the 9th separate motorized rifle brigade (Voronezh region), the separate motorized rifle brigade (Yelnya)”.

... it is logical to assume that in addition to the rifle division, a tank division will be created on the basis of the 1st tank brigade ... wow, how good! .. scratch your turnips .. "friends and partners"

[bashkort]

Damn, when it’s already overwhelming, our army will cease to be, and education, healthcare, etc. at the same time? The same balls for rollers can call in, from this constant reform, it resembles living in a house that is constantly being renovated, honestly!

[bad]

Quote: cobra77

Quote: kenig1

First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

Who will you fight there? China?

..and you shouldn’t make friends with the Chinese .. excess power at your neighbor’s side makes you think again .. remember Damansky ... he was friends for a long time too .. do you personally know the plans of the Chinese General Staff? and I don’t know, but but I saw their school globe where almost all of our Primorye is Chinese .. they are just waiting for the right moment .. yes and not only they .. right was Alexander 2nd .. our only allies are the army and navy ..

[Ronino]

Sorry, but Russia will not pull so many armed forces on the border with China ...
restrain the army of China can only the threat of using nuclear weapons.

[Marconi41]

Quote: RoninO

restrain the army of China can only the threat of the use of nuclear weapons

Absolutely right! I am always touched by the remarks to contain China with ordinary weapons. Well, let these people look at the number of people in China! Therefore, the war with this state (if any) will be exclusively with the use of nuclear weapons. Russia can not oppose anything else. Well, the Chinese themselves are not fools - they understand this.

[bad]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived!

... we are accustomed to the cold .. the main thing is not to become very "hot" .. RUSSIA has always started wars in our history with unprepared fully armed forces .. this is our leadership and hastens to make up for what was missed, disbanded, and restores shock potential..

[moskowit]

It all depends on which HPE is supposed to use these compounds. Divisions' capabilities in all components of modern combat are much broader and more versatile. And there is nothing to say about the firepower and even more so the weight of the divisional salvo compared to the brigade "fart". Not to mention the operational and tactical capabilities.

[Comrade Glebov]

Quote: paul72

Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

And behind everything is drank the dough, among other things. I don’t understand the tactics of using brigades and divisions, but one thing is clear - people serve both there and there. I heard from my acquaintances, old-timers, that the conscript is not the one now, and that the dead and everything "from scratch" should be taught. They say that pre-conscription training has been canceled. It's true? I myself went through it in Kyrgyzstan, and because of that I am familiar with AK and PKM, although I hope it will not be useful.

[chunga-changa]

Well, the noise was there, the battalion-brigade-Putin, but it turned out that the army needed the divisions as well. Interestingly, that wise guy who all this booth with brigades came up with, what order was awarded.

[Old26]

Quote: paul72

Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

They explained that handling is better.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived!

You draw conclusions on the example of one or two cases. So far, no plans have been announced to reorganize the brigades in the division. On this, sorry, there is simply not enough resources.

Quote: Jovanni

In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...

Do not come back. Now the Russian army has a mixed brigade-division system. Aviation formations became divisions, the Strategic Missile Forces remained, airborne divisions strengthened, but in many cases brigades were and remain, including and airborne, missile and artillery ...

Quote: MIKHAN

Whose search engine is this? They give such horror to my requests! "Russian division", and they give me ss in pictures Well, liberal scum!

And what answer would you like to get? And where are the filthy liberals when you asked the wrong question?

Quote: bad

... it is logical to assume that in addition to the rifle division, a tank division will be created on the basis of the 1st tank brigade ... wow, how good! .. scratch your turnips .. "friends and partners"

Dreaming is not harmful ... But it is unlikely in the near future. We must first form a tank army and a rifle division, equip it with equipment, create infrastructure, including housing, and then talk about the formation of other divisions. After all, breaking is not building

[Aandrewsir]

The team is good. and the division is better !!!

[uge.garik]

... Well, this is certainly a plus for anyone, but here's how potential opponents will survive the formation of the First Polar Front and the Equatorial Expeditionary Force ..? ... maybe it’s better for them to surrender right away, but it’s better to shoot themselves ..!

[From Samara]

Correct solution! A division is a force! Motorized rifle divisions have always been the backbone of the Ground Forces!

[From Samara]

The ground forces would still have to form a battalion of airborne forces for one Army ...

[Cobra77]

Quote: Pirogov

Do not fight, but divisions in the east are needed!

What for? First of all, we need to improve the quality of the army, and not just deploy a couple more divisions. To increase the technical component. And most importantly, the industrial, engineering and scientific base. Without this, there will be yesterday’s army, without the rear. As it was in the First World at RI. The army is large, it’s not afraid to fight, but technically extremely weak. Industry is breathing in the wings, the front can not even provide half.

[Sasha75]

Everyone in Yeln believed that the unit would be disbanded altogether; this is the only thing that in Yeln there are neither factories nor factories, everyone lives from this part, even though the city will remain in action.

[Zomanus]

Wait, we’ll get to the districts soon.
Apparently the war is still real ...

[nivander]

a guard was born near Yelnya - the 100th, 127th, 153rd, 161st rifle divisions of the Reserve Front became the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Guards Rifle Divisions