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A motorized rifle division will be formed at the base of the brigade in Yelna

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A separate motorized rifle brigade of the 20 Army will be reorganized into a division stationed in Yelnya (Smolensk Region), reports MIC with reference to Interfax-AVN.




"The formation of a motorized rifle division in Yelna is provided for by a directive of the General Staff," a military source told the agency.

On Tuesday, Sergei Shoigu told a conference call that 3 divisions were to be formed in the western direction this year. “I cannot but dwell on the most important task of forming three divisions this year in the western direction. The most important task ", - he stressed.

The newspaper recalls that in 2015, the reorganization of the 20th Combined Arms Army was completed, the control of which was transferred from Nizhny Novgorod to Voronezh. According to the publication, “it allegedly included the 1st separate tank "brigade (Voronezh region), the 9th separate motorized rifle brigade (Voronezh region), a separate motorized rifle brigade (Yelnya)."

Last fall, the Minister of Defense reported at the board that “during the year, around 30 formations and military units were formed in the Western Military District,” and “most of them entered the 1 tank and 20 army armies (artillery, missile, air defense brigades, formations and combat support units) ”.
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  1. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 14 January 2016 18: 37 New
    +2
    Everything to protect the homeland. Well done. good good good soldier
    1. paul72
      paul72 14 January 2016 18: 44 New
      24
      Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

      Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

      Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.
      1. aktanir
        aktanir 14 January 2016 19: 32 New
        +1
        I think there are forced to adapt. NATO is constantly tricky at our borders, and we should not sleep.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 14 January 2016 22: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: aktanir
          I think there are forced to adapt. NATO is constantly tricky at our borders, and we should not sleep.

          And so the movement should be in the right direction:
          from brigades to divisions!
      2. olegfbi
        olegfbi 14 January 2016 20: 18 New
        14
        You know, not long before the start of the Second World War, the divisional system was reorganized into the brigade ...! The events of 1941 are known to everyone! The experience of military operations led to the reconstruction of the Army - Division - Regiment scheme and this is FACT! Fact and experience, the effectiveness of which is confirmed by blood! The reconstruction of divisions, for the geographical conditions of Russia, is an objective necessity!
        For separate tasks brigades are good, but only for SEPARATE tasks !!!
        So do not ...

        Although, all of the above is solely my personal opinion.
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 15 January 2016 04: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: olegfbi
          The events of 1941 are known to everyone!

          Well, let's remember the war of 1812. The world is changing, and the nature of wars is changing. Moreover, now we do not have several million soldiers to equip the army according to the Soviet model.
          Remember Putin’s words about the Chechen campaign - "the army is more than a million, but there is no one to send." Gathered a group across the country. Police officers, VVshnikov, FSBshnikov, etc. Almost all the units were combined, because personnel divisions and armies existed only on paper. For me it’s better to have a brigade but staffed in full staff than half or even “paper” divisions. Sincerely.
          1. Sergei 34
            Sergei 34 15 January 2016 05: 01 New
            +4
            Let me disagree. A fully equipped division can solve a much wider range of tasks than a brigade. And now, with picking, everything is in order with us.
          2. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 15 January 2016 11: 08 New
            0
            it was then, now it’s a completely different time and our divisions are not on paper ...
      3. Dam
        Dam 14 January 2016 20: 50 New
        +7
        A few years ago, a big war seemed impossible. Brigades are good for small and hybrid wars. For large, division - army - front
      4. Ros 56
        Ros 56 14 January 2016 21: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: paul72
        Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.


        Yes, everything is very simple, the brigades supposedly have less time to complete the team, since the structure is a company, a battalion, a brigade. Missing regiment. But not all were taken into account. First, we had only conscripts, and there were no contractors. Secondly, this is a Western style, and we are used to divisions. And in my opinion a very important, if not the most important thing, is the history of the unit, its military path, the glory of its military banners, its traditions. Well, compare - separate, Kantemir, orders ...., well, etc. or a new brigade - separate, no name, no awards, no history. In short, as always, they didn’t think, didn’t foresee, we are not scoops, we are like Europe or the states. They like to look west with us, they don’t have anything, but they don’t value their smart men. Everything is as always, from the kings to the present day.
        1. kurs66
          kurs66 15 January 2016 03: 39 New
          +1
          So these brigades became receivers of the divisions against which they were formed, so that all names and awards remained with them)
        2. gergi
          gergi 15 January 2016 09: 30 New
          0
          The brigade and the division have different capabilities and different tasks. Both that, and another has the right to exist as a part of army or separately.
      5. zanoza
        zanoza 14 January 2016 23: 15 New
        +1
        In the early 90s, this brigade was a division and was stationed in Estonia. But on the spot she was reorganized into a brigade and withdrawn to Yelnya.
      6. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 15 January 2016 04: 27 New
        0
        And it’s like in that joke about a bunch of crowbars and parade ground
      7. gergi
        gergi 15 January 2016 09: 25 New
        0
        Such work is ongoing. The army is a living organism. Goals are changing, means are changing. It’s not necessary to reduce everything to money, nothing is done without them; they were invented for spending.
      8. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 15 January 2016 11: 06 New
        0
        if only it wouldn’t be in vain, then again to the brigades, etc. Although I consider, given the vastness of our country, the neighbors surrounding us, we did not need to massively switch to brigades
    2. Hubun
      Hubun 14 January 2016 18: 46 New
      +4
      and rightly, as it was not at ease when all the parts were castrated, some bits from full-fledged formations.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 14 January 2016 18: 55 New
        +4
        At one time, an extremely brainless decision was made to reorganize divisions into brigades. Thank God, the reverse process has begun.
      2. Viking
        Viking 14 January 2016 19: 19 New
        -5
        Well, actually brigade formation is used in many armies. And where it has not been proved that it is worse than divisions.
        1. olegfbi
          olegfbi 14 January 2016 20: 26 New
          +9
          You can not compare the brigade and the division! In different geographical conditions, as well as when performing different tasks, this or that structure may be better.
          At the same time, it is completely clear that in order to fulfill the tasks of territorial defense, in the vastness of Russia, the division is a much more acceptable and combat-ready unit, in comparison with the brigade.
        2. lukke
          lukke 14 January 2016 22: 08 New
          +2
          Well, actually brigade formation is used in many armies. And where it has not been proved that it is worse than divisions.
          Huh? The division covers the brigade with at least twice as much firepower and this of course does not bother you. Are you talking about what experience of countries and their combat use and in which specific battle or war do you want to say? Do you know anything about the rear support of the brigade and division, what are the features and what does it look like in general?

          And something lovers and advocates of reform is not heard a bit ... ((
          1. kurs66
            kurs66 15 January 2016 03: 43 New
            0
            The division’s front and front are larger compared to the brigade, so the firepower on the front is not too different.
            1. lukke
              lukke 15 January 2016 13: 57 New
              -1
              The division’s front and front are larger compared to the brigade, so the firepower on the front is not too different.
              Yeah, these considerations will be given in school at the NVP lessons. For example, do you know anything about the caliber of artillery laid down by the division staff and brigade? Do you know anything for some units that are part of the division’s staff and are not provided for in the brigade? Or do you compare the numbers taking into account that everyone is armed with AK and that's it?
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        3. n.kolesnichenko
          n.kolesnichenko 14 January 2016 22: 23 New
          0
          Nowhere is it proven that it is better !!!
      3. jPilot
        jPilot 14 January 2016 20: 46 New
        +9
        Yeah, we cut from the regiment first to ESCADRIL belay fired all experienced pilots, and then after 2 years (they recalled that the squadron could not cope with the tasks), inflated to an incomprehensible and cutting-edge unit called BASE !!!! sad , by the way, this "clown" of Serdyukov was also going to form "wings" fool okay, we stopped the campaign on time
      4. Garris199
        Garris199 15 January 2016 04: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Hubun
        from full units

        They were full-fledged only on paper, but in reality the personnel in such divisions were only enough for the brigade (and not all of them), which was done. But in the end, we got a fully staffed compound, ready to carry out the tasks, and not “dead souls” with a huge staff economy called the division.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 14 January 2016 19: 02 New
      14
      As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived! soldier
      1. Leprekon
        Leprekon 14 January 2016 19: 50 New
        +5
        To "heat up" it would be good to increase the service life, at least during the initial training in training centers. This will affect both the increase in the total number of troops and the quality of combat training. The technical component in all military branches is growing, and the terms of training, practical operation and use remain the same.
  2. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 14 January 2016 18: 38 New
    +2
    "... (Smolensk region.) ..."
    Some kind of "pre-war" feeling! Do not bring, God, but if it is necessary ...
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 14 January 2016 18: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... (Smolensk region.) ..."
      Some kind of "pre-war" sensation! Not, bring God, but if necessary ...

      So I have been feeling like this for two years now.
      I remember when they switched to the structure of the battalion brigade, Serdyukov reformers shouted about the inertness of the former structure of the regiment division. Something there about mobility, the best preparation and every other beautiful broadcast. In short, some nishtyaks promised such a reform. What suddenly changed, eh?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 January 2016 18: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        I remember when they switched to the structure of the battalion brigade, Serdyukov reformers shouted about the inertness of the former structure of the regiment division. Something about mobility, better preparation and all the other beautiful things. In short, some nishtyaks promised such a reform. What has suddenly changed?

        Brigades trained personnel. the industry gave the right quantities. And now on the basis of brigades it is possible to form normal divisions. And not those skeletons or divisions of constant unavailabilitythat were in 2008.

        You can recall a similar process in World War II. Then in August 1941 the mechanized corps and tank divisions were dispersed, making the main unit of the BTV brigade. And the following year, corps and even armies were formed again.
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 14 January 2016 19: 12 New
          +2
          From mechanized corps by August 1941 there was practically nothing left. In addition, their formation was not completed initially. in 2008, part of the divisions could be brought to the "storage base" level, and those that remained were to be equipped and improved weapons. 15 guards and a Chechen company showed a high level of training. 10 Guards.t.d. has always been alert.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 January 2016 10: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            From mechanized corps by August 1941 there was practically nothing left. In addition, their formation was not completed initially.

            Those personnel and equipment that were planned in 1941 for 120 tank brigades, it was possible to equip a dozen tank divisions. Nevertheless, the BTV went on the path of "brigadization".
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        3. pv1005
          pv1005 14 January 2016 20: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And now on the basis of brigades it is possible to form normal divisions. And not those skeletons or divisions of constant unavailabilitythat were in 2008.

          Those skeletons, as you deigned to say, had a glorious Battle Way, Battle Banners, were order-bearing, had honorary names. What began to have the newly formed "super" brigades, except allegedly full staffing and the same readiness?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 January 2016 10: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: pv1005
            Those skeletons, as you deigned to say, had a glorious Battle Way, Battle Banners, were order-bearing, had honorary names.

            Will you scare the enemy with names and fight with him banners and orders? wink
            In most divisions, in addition to banners and staff headquarters, there was a battalion, with a maximum of a regiment. At 19 msd constant readiness in 2008, platoons of 19 people fought in Tskhinvali. The new brigades will somehow be more complete.
            By the way, in 2006-2007, a pomnitsa, someone published notes of a battalion commander from the same 19 Moscow road transport - about understaffed equipment in parks and the fuel trade.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 14 January 2016 18: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... (Smolensk region.) ..."
      Some kind of "pre-war" feeling! Do not bring, God, but if it is necessary ...


      So the Poles dream of the Commonwealth, they even put a bolt on the EU Constitution and the supremacy of his rights, they want an army under 150 thousand bayonets on Poland's 38 million. But Smolensk has attracted them for a long time, though all the time he gives them a hard tooth.
      1. TRex
        TRex 14 January 2016 19: 38 New
        +1
        And they liked Smolensk for a long time

        Not the word "liked". Some even tried to stick to the Smolensk land ...
        It is best for Poland to “look closely” at the western regions of a neighboring state ... and at their Bandera content. And remember, remember - who Polish children knitted with barbed wire? And where did 90 percent of Lviv Poles go?
  3. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 14 January 2016 18: 38 New
    +5
    Restore defense parity. NATO is constantly deploying its units on the territory of its puppets. It's time to answer.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 14 January 2016 20: 20 New
      +1
      And in the Far East it would not hurt to deploy a division!
  4. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 14 January 2016 18: 40 New
    +8
    I foresee joyful exclamations: Serdyukov ruined, now Shoigu returns everything back. smile

    Alas, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the disbandment of the 144th Guards Yelninskaya Red Banner Order of Suvorov, the II Motorized Rifle Division, previously based in Yelnya. The division was dispersed back in 1998, reorganizing into the 4944th BHVT. However, BHVT also did not live long - it was liquidated in 2003, when they stood at the helm of the Moscow Region "strong military professionals of Soviet training".
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 15 January 2016 08: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      strong military professionals of Soviet training.

      C'mon, about the "Soviet training", if you served under Sergeyev, you should remember one of his favorite expressions, that with every money everyone ... oh, everyone will do it, but you do it without money. "And this concerned everything and the arrangement of the barracks and field exits and, probably, storage bases. And now, I don’t know who convinced with the help of the leaders, the money went into the army.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 January 2016 11: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: colonel
        C'mon, about the "Soviet training", if you served under Sergeyev, you should remember one of his favorite expressions, that with every money everyone ... oh, everyone will do it, but you do it without money. "And this concerned everything and the arrangement of the barracks and field exits and, probably, storage bases

        But this is just what Soviet training. Need to do - give the order. And let the puzzled think - where to get everything you need to complete it.
        As there, Divov had:
        - On the boxes for coal should be the inscription "COAL". So, find the paint, find the brush, make a stencil out of something ... If you don’t find the paint, find the tar, it will do the same. Just first find Sergeant Thia and tell him to find shovels and send people to cut grass that sticks out of the cracks in the concrete in front of the box ... Is Thya already looking for tar? What for?! Do not. You look for tar. If you don’t find the paint. And let Thya look for shovels. No, those shovels that are on machines cannot be taken, they have just been painted. You are just like small children, you have to teach everything ... In general, I hope for you!


        Seriously, now many people are very fond of saying that, they say, the damned civilian furniture maker ruined the army, and Soviet commanders this would never have been allowed. About Pacific Fleet, sawn and sold out in a few years by these very Soviet commanders, no one remembers.
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 15 January 2016 19: 52 New
          -1
          We are talking about different things. So you want to pour mud on the CA and lick the wooden marshal? Well, success.
  5. jovanni
    jovanni 14 January 2016 18: 41 New
    +3
    In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 January 2016 18: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Jovanni
      In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...

      Hehehehe ... the whole joke is that the team in Yelnya was already deployed under Shoigu.
      According to RIA Novosti, in 2015 the Russian Ministry of Defense will deploy a separate motorized rifle brigade in the city of Yelny of the Smolensk region. This was announced on Sunday November 23, 2014 by the governor of the Smolensk region Alexei Ostrovsky.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 14 January 2016 18: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        This was announced on Sunday November 23, 2014 by the governor of the Smolensk region Alexei Ostrovsky.

        But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 14 January 2016 19: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Tol100v
          But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?

          PMSM, because the whole Kutuzovsky microdistrict hung on the city’s balance sheet, shoved by the Moscow region after the BHVT was disbanded in 2003. And then suddenly such a joy - you can return it back to the military. smile
        2. AlexTires
          AlexTires 14 January 2016 19: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Tol100v
          But it’s very interesting, with what fright Huberna Tor illuminates the field of activity of Moscow Region? Or was the Supreme personally instructing this voice acting? Or in an extreme case, Shoigu himself?

          Most likely just a shout, although he is interested in this, because then reliable money will return to the city and new jobs will appear ....
  6. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 18: 50 New
    +3
    Suddenly .... There has never been such a thing, and here it is again. Can someone explain, is it just transferred from a glass to a glass, or is it an increase in numbers?
  7. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 18: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Restore defense parity. NATO is constantly deploying its units on the territory of its puppets. It's time to answer.


    To restore parity, we need to deploy at least 30 divisions, at least, I am silent about the VKS and Navy.
  8. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 January 2016 18: 55 New
    0
    Serdyukovsky excrement with brigades ends.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 January 2016 19: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: tank64rus
      Serdyukovsky excrement with brigades ends.

      The team in Yelny was already deployed under Shoigu.
  9. atamankko
    atamankko 14 January 2016 18: 58 New
    +1
    Work on bugs, it’s better remembered as it should be.
  10. AlexTires
    AlexTires 14 January 2016 19: 07 New
    0
    well, all that we see is part of that response to NATO expansion ... And there, like a new airborne assault division will be deployed, breathing life into the military camps built by the Germans ... Eh, to call to account those who are all in 90 shit ...
  11. kenig1
    kenig1 14 January 2016 19: 07 New
    +4
    First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 January 2016 19: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: kenig1
      First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

      I always liked the name and battle group "Division" ...
      yandex // This is whose search engine in general? On my inquiries such a horror! "Russian Division", and they ss me in pictures Well scum liberal!
    2. avt
      avt 14 January 2016 21: 27 New
      0
      Quote: kenig1
      First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.

      Yah !? And what? In the East of the country in North Korea, the USA organize army depots? Type Lithuania is Korea and they plan to deliver 200 units of USA armored vehicles there? wassat Normally, they close their western direction with their own forces without finally being led to Batskino - ,, We’ll write you off, you don’t have anything in the west. “It’s all safer to have YOUR troops that are not looking at“ infringing sovereignty, ”which we’re not trading, They will fulfill the order of the Supreme Commander. A timely measure, especially when Butsk, despite the rejection of a full-fledged Air Force base, even in the interests of Belarus, did not give a loan at 2,8% in the west, and the last time in Moscow too ... kissed the breakdown and went home ..... So ..... well, it’s more reliable. And GDP, if it keeps a word in the framework of the CSTO, well, if asked in case of a REAL external threat, it will definitely help, even with a new division from Smolensk.
  12. da Vinci
    da Vinci 14 January 2016 19: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: paul72
    Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

    Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

    Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

    And babloooooooooooooooooooooo! good
  13. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 19: 23 New
    0
    Quote: kenig1
    First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.


    Who will you fight there? China?
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 14 January 2016 20: 24 New
      0
      Do not fight, but divisions in the east are needed!
  14. bad
    bad 14 January 2016 19: 29 New
    0
    According to the publication, “it allegedly included the 1st separate tank brigade (Voronezh region), the 9th separate motorized rifle brigade (Voronezh region), the separate motorized rifle brigade (Yelnya)”.
    ... it is logical to assume that in addition to the rifle division, on the basis of the 1st tank brigade they will create a tank division ... wow how good! .. scratch your turnips .. "friends and partners" laughing
  15. bashkort
    bashkort 14 January 2016 19: 33 New
    +3
    Damn, when it’s already overwhelming, our army will cease to be, and education, healthcare, etc. at the same time? The same balls for rollers can call in, from this constant reform, it resembles living in a house that is constantly being renovated, honestly!
  16. bad
    bad 14 January 2016 19: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: cobra77
    Quote: kenig1
    First of all, divisions are needed in the east of the country.


    Who will you fight there? China?
    ..and you shouldn’t make friends with the Chinese .. excess power at your neighbor’s side makes you think again .. remember Damansky ... he was friends for a long time too .. do you personally know the plans of the Chinese General Staff? and I don’t know, but but I saw their school globe where almost all of our Primorye is Chinese .. they are just waiting for the right moment .. yes and not only they .. right was Alexander 2nd .. our only allies are the army and navy .. soldier
    1. Ronino
      Ronino 14 January 2016 20: 00 New
      +1
      Sorry, but Russia will not pull so many armed forces on the border with China ...
      restrain the army of China can only the threat of using nuclear weapons.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 15 January 2016 02: 34 New
        0
        Quote: RoninO
        restrain the army of China can only the threat of the use of nuclear weapons

        Absolutely right! I am always touched by the remarks to contain China with ordinary weapons. Well, let these people look at the number of people in China! Therefore, the war with this state (if any) will be exclusively with the use of nuclear weapons. Russia can not oppose anything else. Well, the Chinese themselves are not fools - they understand this.
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  17. bad
    bad 14 January 2016 19: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived! soldier
    ... for the cold, we are familiar .. the main thing is not to become very “hot” .. RUSSIA always in our history started wars with unprepared fully armed forces .. here is our leadership and hastens to catch up with what was lost, disbanded, and restores the shock potential..
  18. moskowit
    moskowit 14 January 2016 19: 53 New
    +4
    It all depends on which theater is supposed to use these compounds. The capabilities of divisions in all components of modern combat are much wider and more universal. And there is nothing to say about firepower and, all the more, the weight of a division salvo as compared to brigade "fart". Not to mention operational tactical capabilities.
  19. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 14 January 2016 21: 57 New
    0
    Quote: paul72
    Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

    Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

    Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.


    And behind everything stands drank dough, among other things. I don’t understand the tactics of using brigades and divisions, but one thing is clear - people serve both there and there. I heard from friends of the old-timers that now the conscript has gone wrong, and that it’s necessary to teach everything “from scratch” to die. They say that they canceled pre-conscription training. It's true? I myself went through it in Kyrgyzstan, and I am well acquainted with AK and PKM, although I hope it is not useful.
  20. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 January 2016 22: 21 New
    0
    Well, the noise was there, the battalion-brigade-Putin, but it turned out that the army needed the divisions as well. Interestingly, that wise guy who all this booth with brigades came up with, what order was awarded.
  21. Old26
    Old26 14 January 2016 23: 13 New
    0
    Quote: paul72
    Several years ago, brigades were formed from divisions - they were explained by the strengthening of defense capabilities.

    Now, on the contrary, the brigades are reorganizing into divisions.

    Each reorganization is money, re-turbulence. And behind all this are people.

    They explained that handling is better.

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    As I said earlier, all this blows cold. They create the 1st tank, then the tank companies and 2 divisions in the airborne forces, now from the brigades of the division. Oh, it blows cold from all this. God bless the Russian Defense Ministry in time to do everything conceived! soldier

    You draw conclusions on the example of one or two cases. So far, no plans have been announced to reorganize the brigades in the division. On this, sorry, there is simply not enough resources.

    Quote: Jovanni
    In short, these brigades did not take root with us. We return to the classics, therefore. Well, maybe it's for the best ...

    Do not come back. Now the Russian army has a mixed brigade-division system. Aviation formations became divisions, the Strategic Missile Forces remained, airborne divisions strengthened, but in many cases brigades were and remain, including and airborne, missile and artillery ...

    Quote: MIKHAN
    This is whose search engine in general? On my inquiries such a horror! "Russian Division", and they ss me in pictures Well scum liberal!

    And what answer would you like to get? And where are the filthy liberals when you asked the wrong question?

    Quote: bad
    ... it is logical to assume that in addition to the rifle division, on the basis of the 1st tank brigade they will create a tank division ... wow how good! .. scratch your turnips .. "friends and partners"

    Dreaming is not harmful ... But it is unlikely in the near future. We must first form a tank army and a rifle division, equip it with equipment, create infrastructure, including housing, and then talk about the formation of other divisions. After all, breaking is not building
  22. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 14 January 2016 23: 36 New
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    The team is good. and the division is better !!!
  23. uge.garik
    uge.garik 14 January 2016 23: 48 New
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    ... Well, this is certainly a plus for anyone, but here's how potential opponents will survive the formation of the First Polar Front and the Equatorial Expeditionary Force ..? ... maybe it’s better for them to surrender right away, but it’s better to shoot themselves ..!
  24. From Samara
    From Samara 15 January 2016 00: 28 New
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    Correct solution! A division is a force! Motorized rifle divisions have always been the backbone of the Ground Forces!
  25. From Samara
    From Samara 15 January 2016 00: 31 New
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    The ground forces would still have to form a battalion of airborne forces for one Army ...
  26. Cobra77
    Cobra77 15 January 2016 00: 42 New
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    Quote: Pirogov
    Do not fight, but divisions in the east are needed!


    What for? First of all, we need to improve the quality of the army, and not just deploy a couple more divisions. To increase the technical component. And most importantly, the industrial, engineering and scientific base. Without this, there will be yesterday’s army, without the rear. As it was in the First World at RI. The army is large, it’s not afraid to fight, but technically extremely weak. Industry is breathing in the wings, the front can not even provide half.
  27. Sasha75
    Sasha75 15 January 2016 01: 21 New
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    Everyone in Yeln believed that the unit would be disbanded altogether; this is the only thing that in Yeln there are neither factories nor factories, everyone lives from this part, even though the city will remain in action.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 January 2016 04: 17 New
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    Wait, we’ll get to the districts soon.
    Apparently the war is still real ...
  29. nivander
    nivander 15 January 2016 08: 25 New
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    a guard was born near Yelnya - the 100th, 127th, 153rd, 161st rifle divisions of the Reserve Front became the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Guards Rifle Divisions