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Rosaviatsiya criticized the report of Dutch experts on the crash of the Boeing MH-17 for numerous errors and inaccuracies

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The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands, Bert Kunders, unexpectedly stated that the investigation into the crash of the Malaysian MH-17 airbase near Donetsk, it turns out, is "going on intensively." Such a statement, Mr. Kunders made during his speech before the deputies of the European Parliament. In addition, Kunders did not rule out that in the near future the issue of creating an international tribunal for the Boeing-777 will be raised again. At the same time, it should be noted that the “intensively working” Dutch experts have not yet officially presented any data on those responsible for the crash of the airliner.


RIA News cites a fragment of a statement by the head of the foreign ministry of the Netherlands:
The prosecution investigation is very intensive. On this basis, we will decide in the coming months with the countries involved on finding the best mechanism for prosecuting those responsible at the national level or through the creation of a joint court by the countries. Depending on the progress of the investigation, we will make a decision with other colleagues.


Rosaviatsiya criticized the report of Dutch experts on the crash of the Boeing MH-17 for numerous errors and inaccuracies


Recall that the Boeing-777, following the route Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur was shot down near the village of Hrabovo 17 July 2014 of the year. As you can see, the investigation is going on so “intensively” that for more than a year and a half, the investigation team could not answer the question of who hit the Malaysian airliner, on board which were 298 passengers and crew members ...

Meanwhile, the Rosaviation discovered another unreliable facts in the “final” report of Dutch experts. In particular, reports that the Dutch side made the wrong conclusion about the nature of the munition, which was shot down the plane.

From the letter of the Deputy Head of the Federal Air Navigation Agency Oleg Storchhevoy to the head of the Security Council of the Netherlands, Tybbe Yustra:
New important facts pointing to the unreliability of the information given in the final report, assuming that the plane was shot down by a Buk-type air defense missile system, are: inconsistency of the reported fragment characteristics with the characteristics of the damaging elements of the 9H314М warhead; the discrepancy between the reported characteristics of the holes on the aircraft fragments and the characteristics of the holes that are formed during the explosion of the 9H314М warhead.


Oleg Storchevoy informs about the discrepancy of at least one detected destructive element to the rocket, which was recorded “in the culprit” of the tragedy by the Dutch investigators. In addition, the Dutch Commission, as reported in the Federal Air Navigation Agency, made the wrong conclusions about where the attack was carried out from the airliner.

One gets the impression that the Dutch investigation team did not use the year and a half to gather facts and investigate the causes of the tragedy, but to simply tailor the report to the conclusions needed by the West without providing objective evidence.
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  1. Kars
    Kars 14 January 2016 14: 03 New
    +4
    I remembered most likely for the public. Remind the Dutch before the referendum.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 14 January 2016 14: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      Remind the Dutch before the referendum.
      - What to take from the OCCUPIED Europe? There’s a conversation between Washington and Moscow ...
      1. Byshido_dis
        Byshido_dis 14 January 2016 14: 14 New
        +8
        Here it is the European education system! Not only can the ammunition not even be identified externally, they also say that the rocket supposedly flew from the other side (naturally from the militia). They don’t know geometry and that ... Here’s how to live with them? To regret only ...
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 14 January 2016 20: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          Here it is the European education system! Not only can the ammunition not even be identified externally, they also say that the rocket supposedly flew from the other side (naturally from the militia). They don’t know geometry and that ... Here’s how to live with them? To regret only ...

          They have enough qualified personnel and quickly figured out the pilot who sent his plane uphill last year. They calculated a suicide attempt in 2 days and proved it.
          In this disaster, they have the task of adjusting the available facts to the accusation towards Russia
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 14 January 2016 22: 41 New
          0
          Go to captivity ... sadness.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 14 January 2016 14: 09 New
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      and in order to simply customize the report to the conclusions necessary for the West without providing objective evidence.

      So otmazyvayut their slaves.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 14 January 2016 14: 18 New
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        Тут написано: "Украина - единственная страна в мире, которая сбила два гражданских самолёта и ни одного военного" - Ошибаешься, Влад. В 08.08.2008, по указивке киевских властей, УКРАИНСКИЕ расчёты грузинских ПВО лихо сбивали российские самолёты. Эти "самки собак" уже давно нас предали, наружу это только всё сейчас выползает. И НЕЛЬЗЯ России ЭТО забывать!
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 14 January 2016 14: 25 New
          11
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          . AND RUSSIA CANNOT FORGET IT!

          And we will not forget and will not forgive. hi
    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 14 January 2016 14: 12 New
      +4
      Well, we all know what kind of roosters did it ....
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 14 January 2016 14: 51 New
      0
      And so it’s clear that it’s the dill at the direction of the owners that the plane was laid ... now they’ve been fencing and smearing them for 1,5 years now.
      An investigation into the German suicide catastrophe that the plane killed in the Alps ... took only 2 WEEKS, and here the clowns have been procrastinating for 1.5 years.
      Where are the air traffic controllers negotiations? where is the transcript of flight recorders?
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 14 January 2016 19: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        An investigation into the German suicide catastrophe that the plane killed in the Alps ... took only 2 WEEKS, and here the clowns have been procrastinating for 1.5 years.

        the provocation was carried out so clumsily, so unprofessionally that for 1,5 years they could not hide their ends in water
    5. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2016 15: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      I remembered most likely for the public. Remind the Dutch before the referendum.

      -------------------------------
      The plane crashed in Ukraine! ALL! What other nafig investigations? Ukraine did not provide safe passage of the aircraft through its territory. And nefig crush the water in the mortar. And where are the records of the negotiations of the Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers and the crew of the MH17? Where is the information from the recorders? Fake people are fed a year and a half.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 14 January 2016 16: 48 New
        -2
        "records of negotiations of Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers" , а именно Анны Петренко, Вам ничего не дадут. Борт вошел из зоны обслуживания Борисполя, она глянула на компе Flight plan
        (flight plan, from points and routes on which the plane will fly. Signed - it means it’s approved by the air traffic control service, and the board is allowed to fly along this route at this level), said hello, said a squock (this is the code of the aircraft responder (transponder) issued by by the dispatcher to the pilot, who enters it before the start of the flight or at the request of the dispatcher) confirmed that she was observing radar, wished a pleasant flight. All.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 14 January 2016 17: 42 New
          +8
          I agree with you, they won’t give anything - all the more so why didn’t they give it to the Dutch? After all, when the shavers publish the black box data, it will all be there. Where is the logic? Moreover, Russia is ready to provide the whole package of means of objective control, of course there is no faith for him, but ...

          If you allow a remark - no names should be given; there has not yet been a court. I wouldn’t like to be like earplugs from all sorts of napalmov and gerashchenko, where only hackers smash
          1. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU 14 January 2016 22: 36 New
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            Valery, you probably also would not like the comparison with the ear-hook.
            I do not post information that is not freely available.
            Behave more correctly.
            Yes, you are right, the logic will appear when, at last, the materials of OK VKS of the Russian Federation get to the consideration.
        2. Altona
          Altona 14 January 2016 21: 35 New
          0
          Quote: KVIRTU
          They won’t give you anything. The board entered the service area of ​​Boryspil, she looked at the Flight plan computer

          -----------------------
          I personally do not need anything. This is an investigation, records of negotiations, other data of objective control. Including the area of ​​deployment of ground-based air defense systems of Ukraine and what they did there and what tasks worked out.
          1. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU 14 January 2016 22: 52 New
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            "Вам", это не только лично Вам, а всем нормальным людям, заинтересованным в объективном расследовании, не принимайте особо на свой счет.
            You yourself made some kind of special emphasis in the comment on the Dnieper dispatcher, and this is not right in this case.
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  2. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 14 January 2016 14: 04 New
    +5
    A voice yelling in the desert. The same thing happened with the Polish plane - because all the same, our dispatchers were blamed. It remains only to wipe off this spit, grit your teeth and continue to bend your line.

    Truth is not in power, but power is in truth. (Russian proverb)
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 14 January 2016 14: 12 New
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      Quote: Corsair0304
      It remains only to wipe off this spit,

      No, let dill and other slaves get wiped,
      Quote: Corsair0304
      keep bending your line.

      hi
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 14 January 2016 14: 29 New
      +4
      This version is not completely excluded:
      Возможно малайзийский Боинг был сбит израильской ракетой класса "воздух- воздух" "Питон"
  3. vladnn2015
    vladnn2015 14 January 2016 14: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Corsair0304
    wipe off this spit

    Обтереться - не согласен! Надо максимально активно разрушать "доказательную базу, собранную" голландскими "прокурорами"!
  4. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 14 January 2016 14: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Corsair0304
    It remains only to wipe off this spit, grit your teeth and continue to bend your line.

    Слюней не хватит нас обхаркать! А насчёт расследования: с самого начала всё было предельно ясно. Как в Вашингтоне скажут, такие "выводы" голландцы и сделают. Прости... толерантные они (т. е. ОНО)
  5. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 14: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Corsair0304
    A voice yelling in the desert. The same thing happened with the Polish plane - because all the same, our dispatchers were blamed. It remains only to wipe off this spit, grit your teeth and continue to bend your line.

    Truth is not in power, but power is in truth. (Russian proverb)


    Unfortunately, in the real world, whoever is stronger is right, and in politics this is always 100%. The winners write the story. Woe to the vanquished. The Boeing theme will be procrastinated until it brings benefits. It does not matter what the Russian Federation will say or prove there. Who is right, what the investigation showed. Who yells louder is right. Remember the story of the South Korean Boeing.
    1. gergi
      gergi 14 January 2016 14: 29 New
      +1
      Who yells loudly, he gets a shout. Who is strong here? Americans chtoli? Arrogant, yes, vile, also true. At the expense of power, there are great doubts, on someone else's. Go to heaven, is it power?
  6. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 14 January 2016 14: 21 New
    +2
    They will pull the cat by the pendants until the time comes when Piglet is drained, and then all the dogs, especially this one, will be hanged on him. To hang it up to Russia did not work and it won’t work out - everyone understands this. But you need to somehow get out of this situation. And then they will shout that from the very beginning of the investigation they were sure that it was Ukro-ina that was guilty, and that it was Ukrainian experts who confused the investigation.
  7. Samoyed
    Samoyed 14 January 2016 14: 24 New
    +6
    Why did the West lie, some show-offs. For a year and a half they scratch their tongues, and yet they screamed at the Kremlin’s trail in the first days. On the Maidan snipers fired, in Odessa they burned people, in the Donbas civil war. And the West is some nonsense about human rights. The fundamental right is to live in human conditions. And on the contrary, LGBT people care about them. Well, they came to the conclusion that in the main EU country - Germany, the Germans cannot protect cattle for slaughter, the basis of women's life. One can only squeamishly regret this Western civilization.
  8. gergi
    gergi 14 January 2016 14: 25 New
    0
    At the time, even to regret the golander, there is an order, but with proof the ass is full. Kaklov's ears climb, hurt tortured. But they try, they climb out of their skin.
  9. Dam
    Dam 14 January 2016 14: 34 New
    0
    Again from the category of free world, free press. Any x-nya going through the media of a shabby world, the truth becomes. So now it works. By the way, the Dutch banned private media financing. Now only grant eaters will live and crap
  10. rotor
    rotor 14 January 2016 14: 34 New
    +5
    If the militias were shot down, they would have proved it a long time ago.




    Поэтому и идет это бла-бла-бла от международных "экспертов".
    1. rotor
      rotor 14 January 2016 15: 35 New
      +2
      Beech issued by the SBU, as Russian.



      BEECH №312 UKRAINE. Yasinovataya post traffic police
  11. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 January 2016 14: 34 New
    0
    True, in this investigation, Europe, the United States and others like that do not take off at all ... which means the investigation team will not establish anything ...
    It is impossible to admit the guilt of the Kiev regime ... the question will arise why sanctions against Russia were introduced ???
    What really happened there ... maybe we'll find out ... but very soon
  12. engineer74
    engineer74 14 January 2016 14: 38 New
    0
    All this is muddy ... Either we have to wipe ourselves off (any evidence can be made in a year and a half), or we have an ace up our sleeve (what we want to believe)!
    Сам трибунал "радует": самолет сбит гражданами Украины, на территории Украины, по вине Украины (не закрыли зону Б/Д) и участник трибунала тоже Украина! А почему не ДНР, кстати?
  13. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 14 January 2016 14: 41 New
    0
    "... интенсивно работающие голландские эксперты..." подгоняют "результаты" под нужный ответ. И очень хотят ускорить процесс создания международного трибунала по Боингу-777, заключение/ответ которого будет однозначным: МН-17 сбит Россией.
    In Syria, you bomb the wrong terrorists, civilians, schools ... Get washed.
  14. yuriy55
    yuriy55 14 January 2016 14: 44 New
    +1
    Malaysian Boeing over Donbass was not shot down by Buk - Rosaviation
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201601141113-d6go.htm#
    The Federal Air Transport Agency sent an official letter to the chairman of the Dutch Security Council, Tibbe Justra, following an investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777, which crashed in Donbass.

    As noted in the letter, the shape of the holes in the cockpit of the MH-17 flight liner, as well as the dimensions and chemical composition of the fragments do not correspond to the warhead of the Buk missile defense system.

    According to the Netherlands, it was this missile that shot down the plane.

    «Новый важный факт заключается в том, что, если и предполагать, что самолет был сбит ракетой ЗРК типа "Бук", то приведенные в отчете характеристики осколков не соответствуют характеристикам поражающих элементов боевой части 9Н314М», – написал в документе замглава Росавиации Олег Сторчевой.

    According to him, this was confirmed by the results of a full-scale experiment and research conducted by Russian experts. It is emphasized that the results coincided with the data from the control tests when creating the 9N314M warhead.

    In particular, Storcheva points out, those fragments referred to in the report of the Security Council of the Netherlands could not belong to the warhead of the Buk air defense missile. Chemical analysis also confirms this, according to a letter from the Federal Air Transport Agency.

    In addition, a full-scale test showed that a lot of holes in the form of an "I-beam" were found on the skin of a target aircraft when it was hit by a missile of this type, the deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency indicates. Whereas “there are no holes with a similar shape on fragments of the Boeing 777-200 9M-MRD,” adds Storcheva.
  15. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 14: 56 New
    +1
    The Dutch simply stupidly fulfilled the order to make Russia guilty — the trend is now like that, we are guilty of everything happening in the world — but Russia has so far politely asked to answer for the bazaar, so the Dutch have begun to bustle both yours and ours. It’s understandable and the order cannot be ruined, and scary to scrub from Russia ...
  16. sl22277
    sl22277 14 January 2016 14: 57 New
    +1
    За Боинг первую очередь отвечать обязаны те, кто над Донбассом безопасность полетов не обеспечил, хотя и ОБЯЗАН был это сделать ! Т.Е власть пока еще существующей страны, Укропии. Которые полтора года вместе с голландцами "мозг выносят".
  17. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 15: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: gergi
    Who yells loudly, he gets a shout. Who is strong here? Americans chtoli? Arrogant, yes, vile, also true. At the expense of power, there are great doubts, on someone else's. Go to heaven, is it power?



    Ну на этом глобусе никого сильнее их сейчас нет, как в военном так и экономическом плане. А что много хуже, они сильнее идеологически. Не важно что нам смешна эта "амерская мечта" и слова за демократию и свободу, важно то что в это верит половина мира. А у нас что в этой части? Отсутствие идеологии (аж в конституции записано) и суррогат в виде скреп и православия? А сколько даже у нас в это верит? Про нашу экономику сами я думаю всё знаете. И на чём они куда ездят, это не важно. Важно что они могут. А могут они очень многое. И ещё долго смогут. Конкурентов то нет. Китай ещё слаб. СССР нету. А РФ извините не конкурент сейчас. Проблема и не более. Страшилка для ЕС что бы военные бюджеты нарастили, да дядю Сэма больше любили, да что бы НАТО продолжало существовать.
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 January 2016 15: 25 New
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    It seems that all parties - both Holland and Russia agreed that it was Buk.

    No more mysterious warplanes.

    The dispute is only whose Beech.
    Different modifications of missiles of different years
    release - various forms of damaging elements
    1. iouris
      iouris 14 January 2016 15: 49 New
      +1
      В таком случае, подозрительно, что производитель "Буков" "всех модификаций" не был привлечён голландцами к расследованию.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 January 2016 16: 18 New
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        The manufacturer is Russian. Interested
        (legal language) side.
        Ukrainians were not involved in the examination either - and they
        would never be objective.
        1. iouris
          iouris 14 January 2016 17: 21 New
          +1
          Here you are wrong: the state is the party, and not the producer (joint-stock company).
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 January 2016 17: 38 New
            -1
            "а не производитель (акционерное общество)."///

            Joint stock it is joint stock ...
            Yes, here 100% of the company’s shares belong to the Russian Federation represented by the Federal Property Management Agency
            1. iouris
              iouris 14 January 2016 18: 13 New
              +1
              Good. And what are your reasons to trust the Dutch?
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 16 January 2016 20: 14 New
                0
                And what about the Israelites? laughing Moreover, 30mm holes from shells have not disappeared, and the maximum size of Buk’s damaging elements is 13,5 mm
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSWH0kOtQU
                c 34,5 minutes to 37,5
    2. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 14 January 2016 16: 26 New
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      A report by the Dispute Settlement Body (DSB), an international arbitration court, dated mid-October 2014 (disaster July 17, 2014), it was immediately said - a ground-to-air rocket exploded on the left side of a passenger plane.
      But Buk is not Buk, another question, in the form of striking elements, is a question for the experts on ZRV.
      Those. In fact, the investigation was carried out in 3 months.
      Из "ПРАВИЛА
      РАССЛЕДОВАНИЯ АВИАЦИОННЫХ ПРОИСШЕСТВИЙ"
      "Если в процессе расследования авиационного происшествия не требуется проведение дополнительных исследований, срок расследования не должен превышать 30 суток. Срок расследования продлевается по ходатайству председателя комиссии."
    3. bulanash
      bulanash 14 January 2016 17: 31 New
      +1
      ничего подобного. Голандцы заявили что это "БУК". Алмаз- Антей ответил, что ЕСЛИ сбили "БУКом" ,то могли только ракетой 9М38. Больше никакую ракету из семейства "БУК" под эти повреждения не подгонишь. Что мешало и мешает голландцам провести химический и спектральный анализ извлеченных поражающих элементов?? Очень многое бы встало на свои места.
  19. Jackking
    Jackking 14 January 2016 15: 27 New
    +1
    Holland is not the same anymore - that's the soldiers protesting against violence in Cologne, wearing mini-skirts !!! Oh...! Then what do homosexuals go to? belay
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 14 January 2016 19: 34 New
      +2
      Well, those, respectively, put on trousers in protest! laughing
      Or removed.
  20. The black
    The black 14 January 2016 15: 32 New
    +2
    По-моему,давно ясно что все эти голландские "эксперты" занимаются только обеспечением нужного для Запада заключения и ни о каком объективном расследовании речи не шло изначально.
  21. KVIRTU
    KVIRTU 14 January 2016 16: 05 New
    +1
    The author built the first half of the article on an incorrect translation.
    Here is the original: “The Prosecutor's investigation is moving along quite actively. Based on this, we will decide in the next few months on inviting countries to help find the best mechanism for a [criminal] investigation on the national level or create a joint court with the countries, ”Koenders said during a European Parliament session in Brussels .

    "Проводится довольно активно" перекрутили в "очень интенсивно".
    Not a level.
  22. V.ic
    V.ic 14 January 2016 17: 58 New
    +1
    Comrades, we should not forget that in the Netherlands, soft drugs are legalized, therefore - the conclusions of the commission may contain a description of their own hallucinations.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 14 January 2016 19: 37 New
      0
      Well, since the year 2000 in the Netherlands, and prostitution is allowed! repeat
  23. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 14 January 2016 19: 30 New
    0
    Depending on the course of the investigation, we will make a decision- This is justice! The degree of guilt directly depends on the guilty. But in Russia, they say, the law is not written for officials ... And in general - lawlessness ...
  24. 4ekist
    4ekist 15 January 2016 22: 17 New
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    Где Днепропетровский диспетчер, управлявший воздушным судном, где переговоры его с экипажем, каким образом самолет оказался в данном районе. Такое впечатление что его специально подвели туда хохлы , чтобы там и сбить, только не успел долететь до российской границы.А как голландцы "работали" на месте падения все мы хорошо видели, свои жо.ппы берегли, мрази.