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“Why are the officials silent?”

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Excerpt from the contractor’s letter of 31.12.2015:


“Why are the officials silent about the minimum pension of military pensioners? I am a former junior sergeant of contract service. Total service is 20,9 of the year. My pension is 7 thousand 300 rubles. Similarly, such pensions are received by those who have worked only five or six years in a civilian. The state does not pay us in full, and now at all working pensioners will not be indexed, it turns out that we will be stripped twice ... ”

When summing up the construction of the armed forces in 2015, Sergei Shoigu said that the number of private and non-commissioned officers has for the first time exceeded the number of conscripts (approximately 300 thousand people).

The increase in the number of contract soldiers in the armed forces is due to objective reasons, the main one being the need for a more professional approach to the operation and combat use of sophisticated modern weapons and equipment. The share of new weapons and equipment in the Russian armed forces, according to the Minister of Defense, has already reached 47 percent. By 2020, the task was set to bring this figure to 70 percent. Therefore, the task of providing the armed forces with contractual professionals is very serious: in the near future to increase their number by another 40 percent (to 425 thousand people in the 2017 year).

Is it being done enough today to increase the number of contract soldiers from among the rank and file and sergeant staff? What prevents the process of their fixation in military service for a long time?

A wide list of guaranteed social benefits and significant progress in solving problems with permanent and official housing for military personnel provided an influx of people willing to link their fate with the armed forces. But in recent years, negative tendencies have also emerged that negatively affect the attractiveness of military service and the desire to associate all their lives with the armed forces.

The most important of them are the slow growth of money allowances and military pensions. Not all contract servicemen are satisfied with the salary, which has been rising for the fifth year only. due to internal reserves Ministry of Defense. Salaries for military posts and rank have not been revised from January 1 2012. The indexation of military pensions over the past two years has also significantly lagged behind from the level of official inflation. These factors lower the social status of military personnel, the prestige of the army and naval services destroy the belief in the stability of a military lifestyle. As a result, many ordinary and non-commissioned military personnel do not agree to renew the contracts.

If we talk about specific figures, then today’s monetary allowances are approximately: 30 thousand rubles - for ordinary contract servicemen, 40 thousand rubles - for office commanders with seniority ... (Data on the amounts of salaries of the service under the 2015 contract, sounded by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Tatyana Shevtsova.) The average salary in the country today is about 30 thousand rubles, which coincides with the money allowances of ordinary contract soldiers.

“Why are the officials silent?”

The figure shows that service in the armed forces in primary positions and in low ranks, even with 30 years of service, does not always make it possible to ensure the level of the average civil insurance pension (for 01.01.2016, about 12200 rubles).

As a conclusion, it should be noted that the social status of contract soldiers from among the rank and file and sergeant staff today coincides with the status of “average people” who have average salaries and pensions in Russia. In 2016, in accordance with the adopted budget, this trend will not change.

But military service is a special type of civil service, which implies additional difficulties and the need to risk health and life. Therefore, to solve the problem of further growth in the number, and even more so, the quality of military professionals from among the rank and file and sergeants, it is necessary to index the pay and military pensions in a timely manner and not lagging behind inflation.
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  1. Koshak
    Koshak 16 January 2016 05: 47 New
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    "service in the armed forces in primary positions and in low ranks, even with a length of service of 30 years, does not always make it possible to ensure the level of an average civil insurance pension (as of 01.01.2016 - approximately 12200 rubles)."

    Yeah.... negative but the top managers have "golden parachutes" am , and what is the use of menagers? Some losses "Our land is rich, only there is no order" (c)
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 16 January 2016 06: 06 New
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      But how, then, can a man live? belay After all, he probably also has a wife, who also could have a small salary and, accordingly, a pension too small! what
      Something is really bad here! repeat The situation looks indecent.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 16 January 2016 07: 08 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        The situation looks indecent

        Tatyana, this is not just indecent, it is criminal.
      2. Mahmut
        Mahmut 16 January 2016 07: 22 New
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        The average salary in the country today is about 30 thousand rubles, which coincides with the monetary allowance of ordinary contractors.

        If you count without Moscow and St. Petersburg, the average salary of hard workers in the country is no more than 20 thousand. And they don’t give out clothes to civilians for free, and dry packs. And they do not spoil apartments when they retire. Yes, and retired at 60 years old instead of 45 sent. And what happens, a young healthy man leaves the army after length of service and complains that his pension is less than that of the elderly. You see, he risked his life. Those who really took a chance and participated did not receive 30 thousand. And installers at construction sites risk life no less, and their health is ruined.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 16 January 2016 07: 40 New
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          And you, dear Mahmoud, are also absolutely right in your own way.
          In general, the pension system is also worthless for ordinary citizens in the Russian Federation.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 16 January 2016 08: 10 New
            +9
            I have a surgeon father with 30 years of experience. Pension 10 thousand. Mother-in-law is also a pensioner, she recently came out, she was considered everything at the maximum speed (length of service, salary, mischief), also 10. About what 7tys. for part-time experience in question?
            1. Kuzyakin15
              Kuzyakin15 17 January 2016 00: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: dr.star75
              I have a surgeon father with 30 years of experience. Pension 10 thousand. Mother-in-law is also a pensioner, she recently came out, she was considered everything at the maximum speed (length of service, salary, mischief), also 10. About what 7tys. for part-time experience in question?

              Where? In which region, city? In Moscow?
              In our region, I have not heard of such a pension when leaving.
              When I retired in 2004, I counted particularly harmful working conditions for more than 23 years of pure harm. That is. deducted holidays, work outside the workshop, business trips, etc. And now, after 12 years of retirement, with all indexations and indexations for working pensioners, I got to the incomplete 15t.
              My neighbor in the country retired, scraped the scrapers for minimum work experience for years and months for social work, 8 thousand! And the worker left my site a few months earlier, 8 thousand. So she has about 15 years of harmfulness and constantly tried to earn, earn.
              So with the accrual of pensions, not only military pensioners, but also civilians ..... darkness and darkness.
          2. Pavel Vereshchagin
            Pavel Vereshchagin 16 January 2016 09: 43 New
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            In general, the pension system is also worthless for ordinary citizens in the Russian Federation ..... Until the salaries and pensions of officials are many times greater than the salaries and pensions of workers, nothing will change. It is necessary to tie the income of bureaucrats to the real incomes of the population, and establish personal responsibility for the deterioration of the economic situation, then something can change.
          3. uralex
            uralex 16 January 2016 11: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            And you, dear Mahmoud, are also absolutely right in your own way.


            Two people come to the sage and ask to judge their argument. The sage listened to the first and concluded: "You are right!". He listened to the second and concluded: "And you are right!". Here a third person comes up and wonders: "They both cannot be right!". To which the sage replies: "And you are also right!" ...
          4. Altona
            Altona 16 January 2016 13: 29 New
            +8
            Quote: Tatiana
            And you, dear Mahmoud, are also absolutely right in your own way.

            ------------------
            Not in my own way, but in general I’m right. I come to work at the age of 46, and they almost spit in my face and say that I’m old. This is normal in our country, this is not fascism, as they say to me in the prosecutor’s office .
          5. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 16 January 2016 14: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            In general, the pension system is also worthless for ordinary citizens in the Russian Federation.

            and in our country wherever you throw, a wedge is everywhere.
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        3. sleeping sayan
          sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 09: 19 New
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          Mahmut. "Those who really took risks and participated, do not get 30 thousand." And how much do they receive, those who really took risks and participated? Tell.
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 16 January 2016 10: 39 New
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            Quote: sleeping Sayan
            Mahmut. "Those who really took risks and participated, do not get 30 thousand." And how much do they receive, those who really took risks and participated? Tell.


            I tell you, a colleague. He was "expelled" from the army in 1995, with a total length of service of 13 years plus 1.5 preferential. Six months later, "went" to the cop, in 2003 he retired, with a total length of service of 20 years plus 3 years 1 month preferential. The rank of police lieutenant colonel. I have several government awards from Yeltsin, and from DAM, and from GDP. Today's pension is 13.800 rubles, I don’t know a lot or a little. For example, the entire communal apartment of our 3-room apartment in 91 square meters. meter, on the outskirts of Krasnodar is at least 7 thousand rubles per month. The apartment was bought in a mortgage, do not think, colleague, that the "military".
            Something like that, colleague, to be honest. hi
            1. corporal
              corporal 16 January 2016 12: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              with a total length of service of 20 years plus 3 years 1 month preferential. The rank of police lieutenant colonel .... Pension for today 13.800 rubles,

              And what is so little counted? belay
              I have: 23 years calendar, senior sergeant-11.200 r
              1. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 16 January 2016 12: 08 New
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                Quote: Corporal
                And what is so little counted?
                I have: 23 years in total, senior sergeant-11.200 p

                Svyatoslav, DEMA reform immediately deducted 50% of the salary, plus you most likely retired after 2004.
                In general, God knows why, they checked, like everything was right, a colleague. hi
                1. corporal
                  corporal 16 January 2016 12: 42 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladimir 1964
                  retired after 2004.

                  Yes 2011. - Nurgaliyev’s "reform" am
                2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                  Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 16 January 2016 23: 17 New
                  +1
                  Sacked in 2003. 27 years of service. Title - Lieutenant Colonel of Justice (according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs). Pension 25 thousand with pennies + fighting. About 28 thousand.
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 16 January 2016 14: 07 New
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                I worked as a captain with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a pension of 16 thousand
        4. fif21
          fif21 16 January 2016 09: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: Mahmut
          And what happens, a healthy young man leaves the army after length of service
          Yes? Are you sure you are young and healthy? Not a standardized working day is not 8 hours, but from the fence until the morning! And what is it - when the state promises one thing, but the result is another? What kind of pension is it impossible to live even for one? A queue for housing, without a guarantee of its receipt? And if everything is so wonderful, then why didn’t you go to serve !? But the average salary in the country for civilians, not 20 thousand, but long ago for 30 (Rosstat), here you are disingenuous. And the diagram in the article, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. I’m a war veteran, a length of service of 29 years, a pension of 17 thousand143 rubles 32 kopecks. I do not blame anyone - he was not a smart person! I believed the promises. What am I doing now? -I will not say, but I will provide for my old age. hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2016 10: 28 New
            +1
            Until the end of my days I will be engaged in my own business and I won’t think about pension - pension is a quick old age, uselessness, illness.
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 16 January 2016 14: 03 New
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            Quote: fif21
            But the average salary in the country for civilians, not 20 thousand, but long ago for 30 (Rosstat), here you are disingenuous

            Rosstat is cunning.
            Try a look at the vacancies.
            It is proposed to a contract soldier 30-50 thousand, an engineer creating him a weapon, half as much.
            Quote: fif21
            I’m a war veteran, a length of service of 29 years, a pension of 17 thousand143 rubles 32 kopecks.

            An engineer, did not participate in the hostilities, but served honestly for two years, 42 years of experience, pension - 12120 rubles. 22 kopecks
            Quote: Vladimirets
            No way, therefore, military pensioners and go in orderly rows to work in retirement, without exception.

            Civilians also do not work from a good life. Putin canceled compensation for working pensioners. Do not go, they say retired, and work to the grave.
            The election is coming. Think.
            I believe that they’ll throw a bone closer to the elections.
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 16 January 2016 14: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Civilians also do not work from a good life. Putin canceled compensation for working pensioners. Do not go, they say retired, and work to the grave.
              The election is coming. Think.
              I believe that they’ll throw a bone closer to the elections.


              Colleague, I will not comment, you already wrote everything correctly. good hi
              PS I just could not keep silent, it was a very "sore" topic, especially against the background of the statements of Gref and Chubais.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 16 January 2016 15: 17 New
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                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Colleague...

                Thank you for understanding me. I am the son of a military man. Even in Soviet times, he received 6 times less than one and a half times less than his father's retirement. He always considered it fair. True, his length of service for about 30 years, not counting the war and the "hot spots". In the article and some comments, I was embarrassed by some arrogance towards civilians. Yes, and I received 3.80 as a soldier. wink
                PS I am always distrustful of statistics. If I take my salary and the “income” of a certain “cleaning lady” from Gazprom, whose crocodile bag with cards was stolen, the average will be even higher than the Stat declares. wink
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
                  +1
                  good hi soldier
                  Quote: Was Mammoth
                  Thank you for understanding me. I am the son of a military man. Even in Soviet times, he received 6 times less than one and a half times less than his father's retirement. He always considered it fair. True, his length of service for about 30 years, not counting the war and the "hot spots". In the article and some comments, I was embarrassed by some arrogance towards civilians. Yes, and I received 3.80 as a soldier.
                  PS I am always distrustful of statistics. If I take my salary and the “income” of a certain “cleaning lady” from Gazprom, whose crocodile bag with cards was stolen, the average will be even higher than the Stat declares.

                  Colleague, thanks for the comment, I liked it, honestly, from the bottom of my heart.
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas 16 January 2016 17: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              pension - 12120 rubles. 22 kopecks
              This is the phone number to call the TV show "From the life of ghosts!" laughing (C) Cartoon about Carlson
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        6. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
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          Basically I agree. A little on the penultimate sentence. On average, taking into account all payments for medicines and benefits for an apartment, 25. He worked in the DRA for 000 years as the commander of an airborne platoon of the 2th Special Airborne Brigade, Gardez. This is the minimum pension for 56 years of preferential length of service. In principle, I do not complain, I work, this is so, note.
        7. jPilot
          jPilot 17 January 2016 20: 43 New
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          Listen dear, why didn’t you join the personnel army? Yes, in a distant garrison, in a hostel with his wife and children, where the toilet is on the street, and in winter for -30.
          Anyway, before you envy, answer a simple question: are YOU ready to sweat to work tomorrow to DIE !! and these are not big words, this is the truth of life. And just remember, nobody gives apartments and pensions.
          Such Mahmuds as YOU said in their time to the crippled people who returned from the war "WE WERE NOT SEND THERE"
          But the most interesting is that such as YOU, in which case you will scream "WHERE IS OUR ARIMA !?"
          I have the honor hi
      3. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 16 January 2016 09: 50 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        But how, then, can a man live?

        No way, therefore, military pensioners and go in orderly rows to work in retirement, without exception.
      4. Genur
        Genur 16 January 2016 17: 33 New
        +1
        I recall the years when they “ruled” in the Moscow University KU-KU = Kudelina + Kudrin. And then it was time for Serdyukov and Vasiliev. They would serve in the woods so polar ...
      5. jPilot
        jPilot 17 January 2016 20: 21 New
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        Tatiana will tell you more than that, a wife may not have a salary at all, due to a lack of work in distant garrisons. And not in the distant too. I served in the suburbs, so my wife got a job only after 4 years, and even then in children. kindergarten nanny (accountant by education). And the person who wrote the letter is really right, because the rank and file of sergeants really has a small pension, and they cut it off, and when it will be fully received it will not be clear, but most of them.
    2. varov14
      varov14 16 January 2016 06: 26 New
      +3
      I agree with menagers, but the risks to health and life in many working professions are even higher. This is how many are afraid to fly on airplanes, but no one is afraid to ride a car, and even being at the wheel behaves inappropriately. So the death toll there and there is not comparable. I do not consider war, this is a separate case.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 16 January 2016 07: 20 New
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        Quote: varov14
        the risks to health and life in many workers are even higher

        I am an example for your quote. A year after the army, I received injuries at the factory (fractures of both legs, a lot of operations, almost a year in the hospital), but I have 40 years of work experience. So I earned my pension honestly. And a pension of 8.500 is a mockery. Moreover, loafers or housewives get the same.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 16 January 2016 10: 08 New
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          Quote: EvgNik
          And a pension of 8.500 is a mockery. Moreover, loafers or housewives get the same.

          My grandmother, who worked all her life on a collective farm under the USSR, eventually received the same pension as a beer saleswoman. So, injustice is not today's invention. request
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 16 January 2016 15: 20 New
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            Quote: Vladimirets
            My grandmother, who worked all her life on a collective farm under the USSR, eventually received the same pension as a beer saleswoman. So, injustice is not today's invention.

            Under the USSR In the 80s, people, in order to receive more pension, entered a higher-paid job, a few years before retirement. As a result, their pension was not lower than 120 rubles (subject to full experience), and this at that time was the average earnings of an engineer. And others hunched their whole lives in low-paying jobs and therefore received a small pension. The law was: when applying for a pension, you can take any 5 years from the last 10.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 17 January 2016 07: 59 New
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              In the 80s, people, in order to receive more retirement, entered a higher-paying job, a few years before retirement.

              My grandmother was born in 1911, so it was difficult for her in the 80s to enter a well-paid job. wink
    3. My doctor
      My doctor 16 January 2016 17: 59 New
      +1
      As a conclusion, it should be noted that the social status of contract soldiers from among the rank and file and sergeant staff today coincides with the status of “average people” who have average salaries and pensions in Russia. In 2016, in accordance with the adopted budget, this trend will not change.

      It turns out if a person did not find himself in a civilian, well, his brains at one time did not have enough to acquire a working specialty, he was hired by the contract. And what after that MlSt with a length of service of 20 years should receive more, for example, an installer of a metalwork of the sixth category with an experience of 40 years? Say risk, but do you stand on the upper tiers of the forests supported by a corner welded to the column wall at a height of 110 m? You will walk with a hand in your hand along a beam at a height of about 20 meters. Or a qualified operator of CNC machines, whose work abroad was taught in English. And that a peasant in 40 years of service has grown up to the rank of junior sergeant, I am ashamed to receive the pension of a skilled worker with an experience of 40 years I agree.
      You take the percentage from workers (not officials, etc.) who survived to retirement and from employees, and then compare.
    4. ZKB
      ZKB 16 January 2016 23: 39 New
      -2
      Guys, let's not dissemble ... the age limit is 45 years. 12 tons. You are paid pensions, not enough, go work again, for 15-20 without problems. total national average. and nothing else was provided with housing (not for everyone at the exit of 45 such rugs) and the opportunity to drive to the resorts of the Moscow Region at a substantial discount ... therefore, there is no need to stoop
    5. ZKB
      ZKB 16 January 2016 23: 39 New
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      Guys, let's not dissemble ... the age limit is 45 years. 12 tons. You are paid pensions, not enough, go work again, for 15-20 without problems. total national average. and nothing else was provided with housing (not for everyone at the exit of 45 such rugs) and the opportunity to drive to the resorts of the Moscow Region at a substantial discount ... therefore, there is no need to stoop
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 16 January 2016 05: 50 New
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    The state does not pay us in full, and now they will not index working pensioners at all, it turns out that they will rob us twice ... ”


    If you take a closer look, take a closer look at such things can be found in any sphere of public services ...
    Well, for example, the recently introduced payment system PLATO.
    In this case, officials decided to tear off excess pieces of skin from truckers ...
    then a reaction of truckers will follow in a downward chain where the skin will be ripped off already from the end consumer, that is, you and I ... the result is a new price increase.
    The recent GREF statement at the liberal party (the Gaidar forum ... so that he could roll over in his grave) simply drove me to abuse both officials and liberal economists.
    Our people, it seems, began to interfere with them, they didn’t understand how they were trained, they didn’t work like that, and the knowledge gained by them in Soviet times impedes GREF in carrying out liberal reforms ...
    For 20 years, liberals have been sitting on our economy and are now impudently declaring their failures to us and blaming the People of RUSSIA for this.
    They must be driven away by a filthy broomstick from the leadership of the country and GREF and CHUBAIS and all the like in KREMLIN ... snickering around ... on our neck.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 16 January 2016 06: 07 New
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      If you look closely, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation you can see:
      Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and citizen's rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.

      More details: http://ipipip.ru/konstitucia/2/

      But paper is paper, it will endure everything. In fact, we have repeatedly experienced in our wallet and our own well-being, which is the highest value for the state ...
      request
      1. varov14
        varov14 16 January 2016 07: 13 New
        +8
        You gave an unsuitable example, robbing you the state does not encroach on your rights and freedoms. This point generally needs to be changed, for example, I don’t like homosexuals, with their freedoms they encroach on my moral principles, in fact my rights.
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 16 January 2016 09: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: yuriy55
        If you look closely, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation you can see:
        Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. Recognition, observance and protection of human and citizen's rights and freedoms is the duty of the state.

        More details: http://ipipip.ru/konstitucia/2/

        But paper is paper, it will endure everything. In fact, we have repeatedly experienced in our wallet and our own well-being, which is the highest value for the state ...
        request

        Who exactly in the state will we ask? belay all at once lol And the state cares, it saves us from default at the expense of our pensions, the PLATO, it increases taxes, gas prices, etc. , it’s all in sweat in three streams, all in worries ... request
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 January 2016 06: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Well, for example, the recently introduced payment system PLATO.
      In this case, officials decided to tear off excess pieces of skin from truckers ...

      Lech, tell me, where does PLATO work now?
      1. 31rus
        31rus 16 January 2016 06: 57 New
        -1
        Dear, so far only in St. Petersburg, but in 2016 will be introduced in another 130 large cities and 9 border crossings
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 January 2016 07: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: 31rus
          Dear, so far only in St. Petersburg

          Here, and here on the site a lot of managers of transport companies are already shouting that Plato is strangling them, although they have nothing to do with Peter and Moscow.
          From my recent conversations, the dialogue was about Plato wink
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 16 January 2016 06: 59 New
        +2
        Hello Alexander hi

        Here the cart was let in front of the horses ...

        http://ati.su/Media/News.aspx?ID=79812&HeadingID=1&PageSize=143

        Petersburg truckers celebrated the birthday of "Plato"
        About 20 truckers came to the Platon’s St. Petersburg office on Constitution Square with a request to give them airborne devices to enable them to carry out transport activities, Rosbalt correspondent reports. Thus, the drivers wanted to check how the "Plato" system works two months after the launch - the action was a kind of "holiday" on the occasion of the "birthday" of "Plato".
    3. varov14
      varov14 16 January 2016 06: 58 New
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      Very fair remark, it's time to wake up. A private initiative (making money), on the implementation of which the destruction of the Union occurred in our consciousness, is of course also possible the engine of progress. But it gives rise to self-interest, and there is no brake in self-interest, a person simply "breaks" his greed. Therefore, when the “economy” in the hands of the state of justice is greater, perhaps there is less initiative, but the brake is stronger. On the other hand, under state administration, a society carries out its labor activity by collectives, and in any collective, there is rivalry between individual individuals, a desire to prove that you are better, smarter, more efficient. And here a smart state translates the arrows of "self-interest" into moral incentives - letters of honor, orders, medals, etc. .. A particular person is morally satisfied that he was noticed, others do not have envy if they noticed a really worthy person. Those. we get another initiative, which will probably be cooler than the previous one, moral satisfaction in a person often outweighs the material component, since he receives a true recognition of society not implicated in self-interest and envy.
    4. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 16 January 2016 07: 10 New
      +9
      Chubais has already justified himself for the New Year's corporate age, it’s not a joy, you can freeze garbage like that and nothing, it will continue to loom in state corporations and help to master the budget, and so we have a crisis for ordinary people, not for their chosen ones what
      1. Leprekon
        Leprekon 16 January 2016 10: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: kot28.ru
        Chubais has already paid off for the New Year corporate party
        Real-time broadcasting of the Gaidar gathering in St. Petersburg through central channels, the composition of the “leading” participants and their “predictions and warnings” seemed unrealistic, I wanted to say to myself: “Don’t believe it, it cannot be, this is not Russia, this is generally sleep"!
    5. lukewarm
      lukewarm 16 January 2016 07: 25 New
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      They were about 20 years late to drive. Now only hang. And that is too humane. The situation in the economy is such that it is still "to shreds." Although Obama and, as we all know. Topping up the guilt with patriotic chatter at the top will no longer come.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 January 2016 07: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: unwillingly
        Now just hang.

        Who, but some just hang, shoot. Is there anything clever you can offer?
        Quote: unwillingly
        . The situation in the economy is such that it is still "to shreds"

        And didn’t you put a bolt on sanctions and Obama?
        Yes, we’ll tighten our belts ... Yes, we’ll go for bread if necessary ... Yes, we haven’t seen such times ... We won’t be intimidated ....
        Nausea of ​​you shaking.
        1. fif21
          fif21 16 January 2016 10: 27 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And didn’t you put a bolt on sanctions and Obama?
          Do you really think that Obama and the sanctions are the cause of the economic crisis in the country? fool Is it because of the sanctions of mattresses and the EU that world prices for raw materials have fallen? Integration into the Western model of the economy as a raw material appendage, led the Russian economy to such a result. And the fact that we will stand there is no doubt about it. hi
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        3. Koshak
          Koshak 16 January 2016 15: 47 New
          +1
          Here, I propose: their average salary / pension / apartment, not to use "acquired overwork" and "useful connections" - and a flag in hand, let them fit into the market. crying
        4. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 16 January 2016 23: 37 New
          +1
          Alexander Romanov:
          You’re overbearing the stick, not everything here on the forum is hurrying, patriots with caps are left, not all.
          No need to blame ALL impersonal.
    6. tissot72
      tissot72 16 January 2016 16: 54 New
      -9
      Yes, you agree to the end, already, whom to drive from the Kremlin is somehow clear to everyone, only everyone is embarrassed to voice it, because the rating will drop, everyone will start to boom ...
      And so, to be honest, well, on x ... ra tore up with everyone ... something ??? Now my friends are just incomprehensible dudes such as Algeria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc., etc., who and who are in plus: Crimea with its Greek-like population are complete idlers: rent housing in the season and swing around the clock in hammocks, Donetsk bandits and the Syrian losers, having dealt ... their country, since all their special services also rocked in the hammocks after dinner and until the evening, instead of pulling an asshole into all the holes, something like that ...
      AND ALL THIS IS AN EFFECT OF A KNOWLESS FOREIGN POLICY AND A PURPOSE TO GET IN AMBITION - EVERYONE IS EQUAL TITLE THE GREAT DON'T GET AS EKATERINA, DON'T TIME AND PEOPLE !!!
  3. larand
    larand 16 January 2016 05: 51 New
    11
    the official is silent because he has no time to speak; he is busy about his welfare. Now, if they were paid 7300 rubles each, then they would be screaming.
    1. varov14
      varov14 16 January 2016 07: 20 New
      +1
      You read that a good official cannot fulfill the budget, as a result of successful work, he is saved and here there is a moral right to save money to raise his own wages. But they do not have the opportunity to "earn" money (unless bribes, but only to receive.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 16 January 2016 09: 31 New
      12
      Quote: larand
      the official is silent because he has no time to speak; he is busy about his welfare. Now, if they were paid 7300 rubles each, then they would be screaming.

      Yesterday, in the program “Voting Right”, one expert said that in recent years, senior state officials have been doubled their salaries, and ordinary people - by 16%. So think about whether the officials would care about our salary, they would not deprive themselves of their loved ones.
      And in general, at the top, I think they live in a completely different reality:
      1. Leprekon
        Leprekon 16 January 2016 19: 39 New
        +2
        Ha! It’s still good, it’s even possible to have street lighting. And I remember, I was in one of our points, because there was no light in the houses — a village of five houses, instead of a bus, goes to the district center with the Kung Ural, like shift workers.
  4. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 16 January 2016 06: 00 New
    +7
    And the bureaucrats sit for that purpose in order to do everything “correctly”, but essentially disgusting. When it was still said: “The law, as it were, draws where it turned, so it happened.” Give with one hand, and take out with the other. Eh hehe ...
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 16 January 2016 06: 01 New
    +7
    Official salaries and pensions define officials themselves. winked
    Pensions of military personnel and the size of their monetary allowance the military personnel themselves do not define. recourse

    As they say, feel the difference ...
    soldier
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 January 2016 07: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: yuriy55
      Official salaries and pensions are determined by the officials themselves.

      In fact of the matter. Example. We have one friend (crest, by the way) made his way to the deputies. He stayed as such for 2 months (he began to wear a hat and speak with a high calm), but now, however, the pension is deputy.
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  7. Support
    Support 16 January 2016 06: 30 New
    15
    Official chaos is known, let’s say, to many, and many have come across it personally. We now have a stable organized crime group in the person of these diving men called the official. The organized crime groups of officials have different names - one of them is the deputy corps of all levels and stripes. That’s who himself breeds crime, and not just breeds, but creates and leads. These creatures, stuck to a feeder called the State Budget (at all levels of the Power vertical), ripening like pigs in a stable, write for themselves the Laws that protect criminals (because they may be in their place), ordinary citizens are put in an unequal position in relation to to all sorts of tricks, but from a zombie man he is trying to teach me life. All that I said are the truths in our New State. And until the situation changes in the opposite - I believe that all anti-Russian forces in Russia occupy a dominant position in the person of all ministries headed by the prime minister. This is a war against Russian civilization. And of course, on the first line of Defense - the military, senior citizens and the younger generation. And we bear the loss. (For example - Front Education). So not everything is smooth ...... very not smooth
  8. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 16 January 2016 06: 34 New
    0
    Hmm .. this year, elections to the State Duma will probably be hot))
    1. fif21
      fif21 16 January 2016 10: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Hmm .. this year, elections to the State Duma will probably be hot))
      laughing wassat fool It will be as always - promises, promises, promises, and then everyone will forget! before the election- "we will take care of the common people, we are the servants of the people-choose us!" after the election- "we care about the state, we are the servants of the oligarchs- forget about our promises!" crying That’s all democracy.
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    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 16 January 2016 10: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Hmm .. this year, elections to the State Duma will probably be hot))


      Who aspires to this Duma? They fly like flies to r ... honey ... Neither new people, nor new ideas ... We will never know about intelligent people. Who will demonstrate in the private media themselves, their works and results? And it will be cold laden party edrovikov ...
  9. BLOND
    BLOND 16 January 2016 06: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: varov14
    ... I do not consider war, this is a separate case.


    and you don’t consider it in vain, a serviceman in any rank is preparing for it, so the payment should be decent even in peacetime (or do you propose to start paying at the start of hostilities?)
  10. 31rus
    31rus 16 January 2016 06: 38 New
    +6
    Dear, but you didn’t understand, the budget is full of holes, sanctions, oil prices, and where to get the money? Of course, you, taxpayers, have a bunch of new taxes, toughen up already adopted, freeze social programs, increase tariffs on public services, etc., etc. .p, once again I will emphasize soon retirees who retire now, will envy those who (will accept, this is going to) go under the proposed law at 62-60, because it will be practically impossible to live for retirement
  11. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 06: 38 New
    -2
    Something, the contractor doesn’t say anything. The total length of service is 20.9 liters. How many calendars, preferential. Where he served. In what position. 20.9 years and ml. Art. Served somewhere in the military enlistment office, in the middle lane, where the year , for a year and then it is doubtful. I wore paper from office to office. Or at the communication center. Something I can’t believe.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 January 2016 06: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: sleeping Sayan
      . Something is not believed.

      A contractor’s pension can reach a maximum of 20 with a length of service of 17 years. Provided that he served on a submarine in the conditions of the far north. Therefore, 000 is a very real pension.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 16 January 2016 07: 00 New
        +1
        Alexander, in my opinion 21 years 4 months, in calendar hi
    2. 31rus
      31rus 16 January 2016 06: 47 New
      +5
      Dear, maybe I wore some papers, there was a job, work was done, someone washes the floors so let's leave them without a pension at all, right or what? Regarding the dark, I agree I need to deal specifically
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 16 January 2016 11: 48 New
        +7
        Quote: 31rus
        Dear, maybe I wore some papers, there was a job, work was done, someone washes the floors so let's leave them without a pension at all, right or what? Regarding the dark, I agree I need to deal specifically

        In principle, who he was is not important. I know one pretzel - for half a century of working experience, 8-9 years will be gained, the rest of the time is devoted to the fight against the green snake. But upon reaching retirement age, this pretzel will receive a social pension, which will probably be more than that of this contractor with 20 years of service, despite the fact that he got a job after the service and deducts his tax to the pension fund.
        Situevina is that with a length of service of 20 (with foam), the pension is 7300.
        This is 50% of salary, title and length of service. At these 50%, the state applied a decreasing coefficient of 54% (with a subsequent annual increase of 2%, which was hindered by another regulation for 2015). In a word, not only has the state halved the pensions of the military, it is also pursuing a discriminatory policy of indexing inflation. When indexing civil pensions by 11% last year, the military actually indexed only 7%, while they (with a clear difference in indexation) were denied the right to index if they were employed on a common basis.
        To be fair, then give the military the pension they actually earned without a reduction factor and compensate in the amount of actual inflation, and only then fantasize about covering losses.
        Here the Accounts Chamber dug up 600 billion of unspent excess rubles + 10 billion will be freed from 400% reduction in officials. Here you have 1 trillion rubles, which is enough to cover all pension obligations. So they don’t want radishes.
  12. rov81
    rov81 16 January 2016 06: 57 New
    +5
    If we talk about the material side of the issue, then many of my colleagues because of the military mortgage went to the contract, not monetary allowance and future pensions played a role in the conclusion of contracts! And now, with a mortgage, they start to stir up something, they began to give money for the purchase of housing much less than before, despite the fact that housing prices do not fall, but grow! At such a pace, apart from patriotism, nothing attractive will remain in the service of a contract. But you still need a huge number of professional professionals in the army, taking into account the introduction of a huge amount of new weapons and equipment. All good!)
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 16 January 2016 14: 24 New
      0
      Do not lie, there is no increase in housing prices
  13. Electrical
    Electrical 16 January 2016 06: 59 New
    +2
    where and how do you need to serve for almost 21 years in order to remain a junior sergeant?
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 January 2016 07: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: Elektrik
      where and how to serve for almost 21 years to remain a junior sergeant?

      And what, after 20 years of service - all the generals? And ordinary people come. Plus set automatically, sorry.
  14. Valdis
    Valdis 16 January 2016 07: 03 New
    -9
    Due to the fact that the last wars (1812,1941) were in our country, because the armed forces were not able to repel the aggression of the enemy on their own, and had to put under arms both the "managers" and the workers, and that kind of money was "fat" fat!)) soldier
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  16. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 07: 18 New
    0
    In 99-2000. During the “CTO” When they paid 30-31 thousand rubles per month. Here then, there was a stream of double basses. There were none among them. And ruined farmers and jewelers. And former cops. And even was a cheesemaker. All men, adults, who served a term. All of Russia, almost all professions.
  17. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 16 January 2016 07: 20 New
    10
    I will write a little about my sore point. Senior warrant officer, length of service, 25 calendars, BBO, until November last year was at a saved rate of 10 at a regular rate of 5. Since November, one word was removed from the job title and, voila!, In accordance with the order of the Ministry of Defense, my old saved salary was not preserved. This is minus 5 thousand, at the same time they removed and the class-position, as explained at the headquarters, has changed. As a result, my DD decreased by 18 thousand, with the same amount of tasks and work. Here is such an optimization. It's a shame that they treat us as some sort of processed material.
  18. midivan
    midivan 16 January 2016 07: 20 New
    +7
    “Why are the officials silent?”
    why should they vote that? that caviar does not crawl into the throat because of pensions? but if you hadn’t written letters, but went to the Duma or the Kremlin, well, with a thousand pensioners in uniform, you’ve seen a couple of firecrackers, you would have looked and you’ve heard Duma’s earning dogs, and so you’ll shed tears at the monitors, as they say, write letters in small handwriting , ehh you are servicemen! there piderasy and then try to pump the rights, and you spilled blood and are silent sadMihalkov said prudently at 12, we have gathered in Russia potrynddely and even dispersed
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2016 07: 23 New
    +9
    Honestly, our pension system is not just not all right, but deliberately confused so that no one could understand anything. Someone who has worked with a booming beak may receive a pension equal to that accrued to a person who has worked for 40 years. Or another example: a labor veteran with a pension of 9000 plus compensation in the winter of 2500 in the end receives less than a simple pensioner with the same pension of 9000, but who receives additional compensation of 3000 for a pension below the established minimum (in Khabarovsk since 2015 it is 10000 with a tail, before that it was 8000 with a tail). The question is - is it worth hunching your whole life then in order to get the same pennies as not working.
  20. gas-5903
    gas-5903 16 January 2016 07: 23 New
    0
    The letter does not say that the length of service is calendar, but as an option 2 years "term" 6 years a contract of 201 work days and hello pension 7300
  21. varov14
    varov14 16 January 2016 07: 35 New
    +2
    "the official is silent because he has no time to speak, he is busy about his welfare. Now if they were paid 7300 rubles each, then they would be screaming." ---- An official executes the budget, but a good official does not execute it from year to year, so the money reaches the consumer only at the end of the executed year - the budget is saved and a good official has a moral right to increase his salary for saving the budget. A good official cannot "earn" money (except by bribes), but only receive money, and how to raise his standard of living? So the poor fellow spins.
  22. Support
    Support 16 January 2016 07: 39 New
    +4
    If, God forbid, someone wars a war with Russia, then all the managers, founders and the rest of the husks from organizations such as Gazprom will rush from Russia. All sorts of particles will be torn to the level of store owners, because they are, as a rule, individuals of non-Russian nationality. And there will remain those who have nothing to blame (but I would like to - later there will be traitors from these), those who have nowhere to blame (there are 50 to 50 traitors). female employees from the police are 80 percent ready-made policemen (or even more). Why? Most of the policemen who are now in service came to the authorities in the wild 90s. And many (very many) went there from the gangs (organized crime groups), in order to ..... well, what I will explain, and so it is clear. And they successfully passed and pass all kinds of checks, for the majority of police chiefs, up to the generals, are the same bandits, only more cruel and in shape. (We have a bunch of examples in Kamchatka). Therefore, most policemen relate to people, like the Nazis to Soviet people in the USSR during the Second World War. Hence the numerous examples of torture and murder in the dungeons of the new (and essentially old with the old members of the cops) police.
    And it will be necessary to fight again with simple, non-criminal, military and again partisan detachments of simple hard workers. Look, as in the DPR — everyone who, with grandmothers, threw it from there — some to Russia, some to the other side. Therefore, it is disgusting, recently the mug has been sitting on the box and rubbing it - it’s good that the buck has grown so much that prices are rising. But the bastard does not say that in total no more than 30% of medicines are produced by Russia, we buy the rest. Zadolbalo already. So I want to tear off the Bosko. the bear altogether dismissed its thief ..... No matter how it is to not lose the war - THIS will be sorry for its private production (stolen during the seizure) to destroy, it is easier for them to surrender. Here is the opportunity to destroy Russia.
    1. Valdis
      Valdis 17 January 2016 01: 10 New
      -2
      The warriors from Iraq and Libya fought a lot, the vaunted troops dissolved. And ours will run away, some in the forests, some in captivity. Fanatics will fight. Workers and policemen do not know how to fight.
  23. tor978
    tor978 16 January 2016 07: 51 New
    +6
    Yes, Russia is better to provide humanitarian assistance to the Papuans or developed countries than to pay its people. It seems that the government is full of pests, that neither the law, the people are getting worse. It’s good that now we’ll no longer hear Gazprom’s mockery: “public property”. Banned at last. My father has a pension of about 8, a janitor earns about 8, I paid 8200 for an apartment for December. But how can I live on such a meager, I still pay 4 for my own, and feed and dress three children. And the state wanted to spit on the poor. You can’t take anything on maternal capital either, don’t give a mortgage on your apartment, you don’t get much income, you can’t invest in a car, you can’t build a 450-ty house. So it seems that the state is steadily reducing its population.
    1. sleeping sayan
      sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 08: 05 New
      0
      Today, by phone, I heard: The Power of Siberia, the national treasure and the emblem of Gazprom.
  24. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 January 2016 07: 58 New
    +5
    It is surprising that there are still hopes for something good from the "liberals" who have ridden the economic bloc in the government! After all, their main task in any way to ruin the country and the reaction of our Guarantor looks very strange against this background, that he sees nothing or does not want to see the disgrace that is happening in the country !? And as regards the wages and pensions of the military, it’s not worth people who do not know anything in the service to talk about it! You go and serve at least five years and not in the Arbat District, but in the most remote corners and you can understand something then. A worthy state is simply obliged to pay a pension to its defenders for years of lack of freedom, lack of rights, etc. “conscious necessity”! I often recall the statements of military bureaucrats in the 80s that we were not happy with life and service, and they said they “lived in dugouts,” but in practice many of these talkers even have ideas about did not have a garrison service! But what can I say, he served in Borzoy ZabVO, so for five years in the town there was only once hot water, and the top lived in a house where everything was like in Moscow! And now their children and grandchildren are sitting in warm places and ruining the Army and Country, however liberalism!
    1. serge siberian
      serge siberian 16 January 2016 15: 34 New
      0
      drinks good it’s best said. Liberasts and the law on the election list for voting and not by name. Yes, and in the 90s who went to the deputies, “TEAM” didn’t forget the brigade? -That is big business too!
  25. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 16 January 2016 08: 09 New
    +6
    Pensioners for power - ballast. This is the main thing. And it doesn’t matter, military or civilian. So, it’s not worth it to “cry” that a sergeant is paid a small pension. We must "cry" that everyone is paid little. Pensions (as well as salaries) should be worthy of life not only for deputies, but for everyone.
    Our people have always had a special relationship with the army, but we must not forget that it exists to protect the country and at the expense of those who work as workers, engineers, "housewives" ....
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 16 January 2016 16: 28 New
      +2
      military pensioners are hardly ballast. The second army is mobilization, which is why they are still talking. Civilian pensioners, yes, ballast. For me, the ballast is the entire government, along with the local princes.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 16 January 2016 17: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Shark Lover
        military pensioners hardly ballast

        For power, ballast. Now, if you need a second army, then .... God forbid, of course, but then we, "shuttles", will fit.
        The thing is that when the power ceases to consider pensions to be unnecessary expenses, and the earned money of the older generation, then it will be different.
  26. VladimS
    VladimS 16 January 2016 08: 28 New
    +1
    The author, of course, well done!
    Why are officials silent about the minimum pension for military pensioners? I am a former junior contract sergeant. The total length of service is 20,9 years. My pension is 7 thousand 300 rubles. well done.

    But let's go from the other "end" to the problem!
    It’s just interesting to me where they serve in ml. sergeants for 20 years?
    No? And we do not know from the story what he was doing, all the other years, where and by whom he worked.
    After all, it cannot be ruled out that Balderes also drove at times, unsettled, without real work.
    The pension, from the Ministry of Defense, must be established upon the expiration of military service from 20 years. The author is silent about the duration of his contract with Moscow Region. What a pity. The total length of service does not mean anything in the context of claims for the size of the pension to the Russian Defense Ministry. For 2-3 years of contract, there are other preferences: admission to the university, good earnings according to the position, etc. What does the size of the pension and the claim to the Ministry of Defense have to do with it?
    Equalization (pensions) here is extremely dangerous. The real incentive is lost.
    Or how much should she have, in your opinion? 40 sput?
    And what about the general, colonel, then how many, with real military experience of 25-35 years - 500 sput and higher?
    Everything is complicated, not at all simple!
  27. begemot20091
    begemot20091 16 January 2016 08: 48 New
    +1
    but for Chernobyl victims
    13) monthly monetary compensation to them, as well as children living with them who have not reached the age of 14, for the purchase of food products in the amount of 300 rubles;
    14) preferential provision of places in boarding houses for veterans or boarding houses for the elderly and disabled;
    15) monthly monetary compensation in compensation for harm caused to health in connection with the radiation exposure due to the Chernobyl disaster or with the work to eliminate the consequences of the disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, in the following amounts:
    disabled people of group I - 5 rubles;
    disabled people of group II - 2 rubles;
    disabled people of group III - 1 rubles.
    In the event of the death of citizens who became disabled as a result of the Chernobyl disaster, the right to a monthly monetary compensation, provided for by paragraph 15 of the first part of this article, extends to disabled family members who are dependent on these citizens. The amount of compensation attributable to all dependents is determined as the difference between the entire amount of the monthly monetary compensation and the part attributable to the breadwinner. To determine the amount of compensation attributable to each dependent who has this right, the amount of compensation attributable to all the indicated dependents is divided by their number.
  28. Tjeck
    Tjeck 16 January 2016 08: 53 New
    +2
    It is clear that no one will listen to pensioners, such is the nature .. But why the current military will not put the question on the edge? After all, this will affect them someday, and it will be more difficult for them to refuse. Although I think it’s impossible to break such a bureaucracy for a long time even if the leadership wants it, but it isn’t yet ..
    1. serge siberian
      serge siberian 16 January 2016 15: 38 New
      +2
      recourse no and they are forbidden to demonstrate. And engage in politics too.
    2. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 16 January 2016 16: 35 New
      +2
      My acquaintance quit somewhere in '98. Garrison in the field, 4 five-story building, 10 two-story building, fireman, shop. He knocked out an apartment according to the law of about 6 years, suffered two heart attacks during this time, a young man, then there were 35. He talked about the military bureaucracy, the freaks in uniform that they were doing. He got a two-room apartment in the terminal, there is no health. I did it differently, left and earned it myself, bought it two years later. Hope to help bureaucrats is a waste of time and effort. Therefore, one and a half million people separately, the rest separately.
  29. uzer 13
    uzer 13 16 January 2016 09: 01 New
    +7
    A pensioner must understand that his physical existence is a burden on the budget. He himself is unlikely to want to quickly glue the flippers and thereby demonstrate his proletarian consciousness, so he needs help. That's how pension laws come about, with an average life expectancy of 58 years for men retirement time = 60 years. Statistics are simply taken and calculations are made so that pensioners do not mess around and get too fat sitting on the neck of the state. And this was done back in the USSR, when there was still some kind of social support. Our state is not social, but it is something like a community of oligarchs and large industrial capital serviced by the state apparatus. Social programs under such circumstances are a necessary measure, otherwise the working cattle will cease to be reproduced at all, which will result in losses and loss of a part of income. The next program number will be juggling life expectancy data in the direction of increase, in which both politicians and economists are very interested.
    1. serge siberian
      serge siberian 16 January 2016 15: 43 New
      +1
      bureaucrats should be planted at a salary of at most 3 per business unit, but only among WORKERS, without ITRs and managers. fellow
    2. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 16 January 2016 16: 38 New
      +3
      I absolutely agree. I just disagree. I’m a cattle. There is a list of freaks, if they happen, everything will return to them, but the case may be presented, you see what the international situation is.
  30. Gray 43
    Gray 43 16 January 2016 09: 26 New
    +5
    As DAM said, “We’ll have to tighten our belts ...” - with this phrase he confirmed that the Government is not able to resolve the situation in the country's economy. I would gladly tighten my belt, but ... on his neck, if you are incapable, then go away and do not interfere, along with your "managers" and their fantasies
  31. raid14
    raid14 16 January 2016 10: 04 New
    -2
    And the boys took away a pretty penny, offended the holy fool. It’s a shame to complain to a peasant when he was serving, he knew the size of his future pension, why he didn’t advance in the service (correspondence higher education, school of ensigns) and sat with his back pressed. Not a disabled person of war, arms, legs. Go work for a civilian if there is not enough money. About the bureaucrats, the conversation is generally separate, I do not want to spoil my mood in the morning.
  32. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 16 January 2016 10: 08 New
    +1
    Right now, the liberals will leave and who will give them the money ooo free. They’ll suck the hell out of them on pneumatics. In general, all officials have a minimum living wage. And to plant for theft. The coolest thing, no one will work. Well, they work only for themselves, sometimes for the state, FOR THE PEOPLE NEVER, IF ONLY FROM UNDER STICKS AND THEN HALTURYAT.
  33. Old26
    Old26 16 January 2016 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana
    The situation looks indecent.

    You said that too softly. They always said and say that in Russia there are two misfortunes - fools and roads. You can add a few more - housing and communal services, the pension system, and, of course, officials (although you can write down from the first attack).

    Quote: EvgNik
    Quote: varov14
    the risks to health and life in many workers are even higher

    I am an example for your quote. A year after the army, I received injuries at the factory (fractures of both legs, a lot of operations, almost a year in the hospital), but I have 40 years of work experience. So I earned my pension honestly. And a pension of 8.500 is a mockery. Moreover, loafers or housewives get the same.

    Alas, there are millions of such examples. At the very 40 years of experience, a veteran of labor. Well, what can you do if the main time was for years when everyone had a salary not very high. When the chief designer managed to knock out personal salaries - it became much better. But the only deadline for receiving such salaries was less than 3 years. Then the collapse of the Union, reductions, and immediately the new "employers" began to establish the age limit. And do not care what you have experience. The result, as with many, is about 8500-8700, plus 1470 (crazy money) for a labor veteran. So it turns out on average chervonets.
    But according to officials, this is "crazy money." Now, it seems, those who work will not be able to compensate for pensions. YES and local officials are also innovating. If earlier you could get a “veteran” according to certain criteria, then now we are introducing a position in our region that you will be a “veteran” if there are regional rewards. So it turns out that my friend has 39,5 years of experience, but there are no regional awards - that means he is not worthy to be a "veteran"

    And about 7300 rubles from officials. We had a few years ago, when the minimum EMNIP of about 4500 was a scandal in the city with the so-called "city manager." Here in a local newspaper and published data on his salary. My salary was 4500, and he has a little more - 7200. Well, then the pluses. I have a maximum of premiums (of all) coming out 20%, and he has a little more:
    - for harmful working conditions - I don’t remember exactly, but either 150, or 250%
    - for secrecy - also about 200% (when I worked, despite F1 I don’t remember that they get something for the uniform, but if it was, I don’t remember anymore - then a small percentage of the salary)
    - for something else, I don’t remember. But only the “white” version came out about 65-70 thousand. BUT the excuse was ironic: "Comrades, citizens! I have a salary not much more than yours, the rest is the allowance. But the higher authorities want it, it wants it, it takes it off."

    finally a short joke:
    "According to VTsIOM, 61% of Russian citizens for replacing officials on domestic cars. And 99% for simply replanting (replanting)"
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 January 2016 19: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      - for secrecy - also about 200% (when I worked, despite F1 I don’t remember that they get something for the uniform, but if it was, I don’t remember anymore - then a small percentage of the salary)

      25% paid extra for the first form at the councils, now it seems like they raised it to the plug in 50% -75%.
    2. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 16 January 2016 23: 59 New
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      Old 26:
      Well, about the changes in the criteria for assigning the status of a regional veteran, then we have changed 2.o2.14g. Only if you have edge rewards.
      And this year they are trying to remove surcharges from the regional budget of social programs that are duplicated by federal ones: school breakfasts for children from low-income families, newborns, etc. They calculated that they would save as much as 3 billion rubles.
      My colleague at work in April15 retired, 9700.30 with more than 16 years of experience, XNUMX years of particularly harmful.

      PS: Volodya, did you mean INDEXATION? It seems that working for the time being didn’t mean the abolition of the pension.
  34. koksalek
    koksalek 16 January 2016 10: 20 New
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    Quote: uzer 13
    A pensioner must understand that his physical existence is a burden on the budget. He himself is unlikely to want to quickly glue the flippers and thereby demonstrate his proletarian consciousness, so he needs help. That's how pension laws come about, with an average life expectancy of 58 years for men retirement time = 60 years. Statistics are simply taken and calculations are made so that pensioners do not mess around and get too fat sitting on the neck of the state. And this was done back in the USSR, when there was still some kind of social support. Our state is not social, but it is something like a community of oligarchs and large industrial capital serviced by the state apparatus. Social programs under such circumstances are a necessary measure, otherwise the working cattle will cease to be reproduced at all, which will result in losses and loss of a part of income. The next program number will be juggling life expectancy data in the direction of increase, in which both politicians and economists are very interested.

    Yes, everything is simpler, with the constant appetites of the government, the budget will be poor. It is necessary to replenish it. Power goes in a proven way - squeeze those who are under the heel even harder. You do not pay attention to the microbes under your feet, and here they are on top too. Nothing to live on for retirement? So women give birth to new hard workers, it was so, it is and it will be so. Why review pension laws? Then the question arises - where to get the money? And this is for the authorities like a red rag, why do they need this crap. The authorities don’t touch their business, they don’t touch their privileges, so it remains for them to polish the tax legislation in which they succeed, PLATO and other tricks in terms of tightening the belts of law-abiding
  35. Support
    Support 16 January 2016 12: 50 New
    +5
    Soon or already the time has come. when organizations like the Sword from the Art Series can start to arise. Time, conditions, teething, arrogance and lack of principle reached its climax. Personally, I have matured. Let them take note of me, PX. But this mess (bureaucratic) is already worse than in the 90s already got it ....
  36. Severok
    Severok 16 January 2016 13: 38 New
    +2
    We look - the ensign in the river. Crimea, there is no soldering, it receives about 30 tr. of which about 20 tr they don’t pay for renting a house, they don’t know how to get to the place of their main vacation, we don’t know ... Local prices are tearing up.
    Further, Murmansk, the ensign in the military school of service is 10, there is no Pole, for housing from 12 tr for odnushka, there is no official, on hands clean up to 50 tr, there is rations, travel to the place of main vacation is paid, we get to get it - hemorrhoids.
    Travel in public transport and there and there is paid, medicine if there is - for free, treatment in departmental L.U ..
  37. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 13: 51 New
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    It’s like 10 service, but there’s no Poles. They just transferred it, and before that, where he served. Or, 10 years in Murmansk. And Murmansk where it is.
  38. Alexl
    Alexl 16 January 2016 14: 17 New
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    Nobody forced to serve under the contract. The contract is voluntary.
  39. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 16 January 2016 14: 35 New
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    Yes. And I’ll say more, somehow, steadfastly endure hardships and hardships, military service. Knead “plasticine”, engage in drill, fire, etc. training with a fireman, on 35-40 frost in the Chita region, endure 50 degree heat in Middle Asia. And pr, pr, pr. Now serve, this is not 90 (nineties), with a series of ongoing conflicts.
  40. serge siberian
    serge siberian 16 January 2016 15: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: NIKNN

    Who exactly in the state will we ask? and all at once. And the state cares, it saves us from default due to our pensions, PLATO, taxes increase, gas prices, etc. , it’s all in sweat in three streams, all in worries ...

    drinks I agree with YOU, but not the state (because it is a nation that does not inhabit the country), but its individual individuals (not to be confused with individuals), bureaucrats (officials) who profit from the people.
  41. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 17: 37 New
    +3
    Well, my acquaintance at 38 was sent to retire. He is a lieutenant colonel. Higher legal education. He served in the riot police for 7 years. Prior to this, 6 years in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Pension 14 tr Those. 200 bucks a month for 12 years of service in the state, including in Chechnya. Now looking for work .... And not any "golden parachutes." Do you think he will advise his son to follow in his footsteps?
  42. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 17: 46 New
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    Quote: Valdis
    Due to the fact that the last wars (1812,1941) were in our country, because the armed forces were not able to repel the aggression of the enemy on their own, and had to put under arms both the "managers" and the workers, and that kind of money was "fat" fat!)) soldier


    What do you have, the exam of the brain? You also tell about a rifle for three. Who do you think fought for the army? Or do you think the militia with a pitchfork Berlin took?
  43. SAA
    SAA 16 January 2016 17: 56 New
    -3
    I am a former junior contract sergeant. The total length of service is 20,9 of the year. My pension is 7 thousand 300 rubles.
    You are only 40 years old, and you are whining as if 40 worked in the mine for years. Go and work
  44. faterdom
    faterdom 16 January 2016 19: 23 New
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    In Soviet times, the ceiling for pensions for junior officers was 200 rubles, for senior officers - 350. However, if you work in retirement, the ceiling for the amount of pension + earnings would still be the same. It is difficult to compare - how much it is in current money, the imbalances in different groups of goods are frantic, let’s say for bread alone, clothes - others for cars — the third. But according to the general situation in society, this is somewhere in the current 40 and 70 mp (to me, as it seems to me who lived at that time and this time - nothing more).
    At the same time, the average earnings in the country drifted from 105 to 140 rubles.
    Competitions at the Higher School of Higher Education were in good health, not mimic, of course, but you had to compete with four or five applicants. And from year to year - it took a long time to heal the army from the Khrushchev indiscriminate massacre. Here, by the way, was ideal for Kudrin, a light in the window, but Alexei Leonidovich would never admit that he was an old ideological revisionist.
  45. Olkass
    Olkass 16 January 2016 21: 39 New
    +1
    Law of the Russian Federation of February 12, 1993 No. 4468-1 “On the pension provision of persons who have served in the military, service in law enforcement bodies, the State Fire Service, drug trafficking and psychotropic substances control bodies, institutions and bodies of the penal system , and their families ”
    Article 43 of the said Law establishes that pensions for military personnel and their families are calculated from monetary allowance. Salaries by position and military rank are taken into account (not taking into account the increase in salaries for service in remote, highland areas and in other special conditions) and the percentage allowance for seniority, including payments in connection with the indexation of monetary allowance. Also, the size of pensions of dismissed servicemen depends on the duration of military service held before the dismissal of posts and assigned military ranks.
    Section 13 of the said Law establishes that persons who have served 20 years or more, as well as those who have been dismissed from service upon reaching the age limit for service, health status or in connection with organizational and staffing events and who have reached the day of dismissal of 45 years of age, having a total length of service of 25 calendar years or more, of which at least 12 and a half years is military service.
    According to article 14 of the said Law, the length of service pension is established in the following amounts: for servicemen with a length of service of 20 years or more: for length of service of 20 years - 50% of the respective amounts of monetary allowance and for each year of service of more than 20 years - 3% of the indicated amounts of monetary allowance, but in total no more than 85% of these sums; to military personnel with a total working experience of 25 calendar years or more, of which at least 12 and a half years is military service: for a total length of service of 25 years - 50% of the corresponding amounts of monetary allowance and for each year experience over 25 years - 1% of the indicated amounts of cash allowance.

    Other legislation does not interfere with farting sufferers to read.
    In general, and about any assistance in acquiring residential property and other benefits that are not available to civilians, we are silent ?! Stuff for a mile away.
  46. 4ekist
    4ekist 16 January 2016 23: 39 New
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    Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
    In general, the pension system is also worthless for ordinary citizens in the Russian Federation ..... Until the salaries and pensions of officials are many times greater than the salaries and pensions of workers, nothing will change. It is necessary to tie the income of bureaucrats to the real incomes of the population, and establish personal responsibility for the deterioration of the economic situation, then something can change.

    And here, the officials accept all the laws for themselves. As it is beneficial for them, they will vote.
  47. L10n77
    L10n77 16 January 2016 23: 42 New
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    Quote: gas-5903
    The letter does not say that the length of service is calendar, but as an option 2 years "term" 6 years a contract of 201 work days and hello pension 7300
    for retirement, this option does not roll - you need at least 10 calendars.
  48. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 17 January 2016 06: 18 New
    +1
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. retirement 25 thousand with copecks, + military. "combat" is a monthly den.pay, So write, compensation for benefits-units. Combat, they pay according to the number of combat days, that is, since the number of combat days was counted, you will get so much and once. And then " WHO "is over, but the military all pay.
  49. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 17 January 2016 07: 05 New
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    Shark lover. Here too. taking into account all sorts of medications and benefits for an apartment 25. Worked in the DRA, commander of the PDV. This is the minimum pension for 000 years of preferential length of service. A lover of Sharks. And what is this, for payments, for medicines and benefits for an apartment. During the service, you were injured or suffered a disease: hepatitis, typhoid fever, malaria. Or, according to the Law on Monetization of Benefits, you refused the benefits and get EDV- monthly den.payments the entire amount. And what kind of benefits, for an apartment. Write more clearly. Here is another: I worked in the DRA, commander of the PDV. I have never met a military man who would say about the service, worked. Moreover, in the DRA, everyone with whom he served, they say was outside the river. Or he served in Afghanistan, but did not work. Else. This is the minimum pension, at 20 years old, preferential length of service. Preferential length of service is. Year for three, two, one and a half.
  50. yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 January 2016 08: 17 New
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    In order to change my attitude to power and those in power, to find out who controls the world economy and why this happens, I suggest watching a film that is popular, on the fingers will show who the government needs and who needs it: