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Weekday federalization in the United States: Oregon Militia

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A few days ago, the media passed information about the confrontation in Oregon between the FBI officers on the one hand and the local "police" (voluntary armed groups) on the other. Passed quite casually, although there are many interesting and iconic moments in these events.

So, the dispute between local farmers Stephen and Dwight Hammond, on the one hand, and representatives of federal authorities defending the local Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, on the other, was the reason for the conflict. The Hammonds each year set fire to the remains of straw in their fields, which several times led to fires in the reserve, as a result of which they were still accused of incendiary (arson) and planted.

It seems to be a clear case, the feds are right and there can be no complaints. Well, on euromaidan in Kiev, it was also clear that the “oni-children” were beaten up for work - they were tossed with stones and explosive bags. The reason is clearly contrived. But it was not there.

So here - they immediately came running both local Rednecks (in the north-west of the United States, they also exist, not only in the south), and everyone dissatisfied from other states. They organized a quick "people's militia" and seized several administrative buildings in the state capital.

Other farmers and cowboys support the police and the demands to free the Hammonds, and also declare that the federal government has taken almost all the land on which they used to plant livestock, displacing herders and farmers from their homes that their families have been using and cultivating for several generations.

Later, the leader of the “militiamen” Ammon Bundy, also a hereditary farmer (only from Nevada), met with groups of radical anti-government organizations “Pacific Patriots Network”, “Oath Keepers” (those still scumbags) and “III%” who came to help him and agreed about joining forces.

Bundy also claims that the feds are putting pressure on Hammonds and other farmers, forcing them to sell their land, and states that those gathered "are fighting against tyranny."

Among those who gathered were many US Army veterans (contused on the whole head on the basis of the constitution, freedoms, founding fathers and other rubbish). They are well armed and able to handle weapons.

Instead of negotiation and search for a compromise, the local sheriff, with the support of the federals, “sews” the protesters extremism, vandalism, insulting the police officers in the performance and the threat to the local population.

It is indicative of the video of the former marine John Ritzheimer, who says goodbye to his family, because he is preparing to die in the struggle for "the right version of the United States."



Personally, I consider them a gathering of complete slaps, but they can be understood. They were told all their lives that the USA is a stronghold of freedom, but in reality it is a police state with a system of total surveillance, with “patriotic acts”, with the arbitrariness of the federal forces and with the dictatorship of transnational corporations (TNCs) that virtually destroy the small and medium entrepreneurship, establishing its monopoly, including in agriculture. And the choice they have in this case or become schizophrenic, or rebel.

Moreover, in American mythology, Jesse James and Sundance Kid are heroes who were forced to rob banks and fight with the Pinkertons by the policies of corporations that drove them from family lands. So any such riots against the federal authorities are simply a reproduction of the national myth.

As the commentators rightly point out in the discussion of this newsThis is not the first such case. Both last year and earlier there were similar confrontations of farmers against federals, when several hundreds of armed “patriots” came to help farmers.

There are hundreds of radical extremist and separatist groups like the Oath Keepers in the USA. They are armed, trained, motivated, ideologically charged and disciplined. According to the most modest estimates, the total number of such groups exceeds 150 thousand people, including many former military. There are similar groups among criminals, including the so-called “Aryan brotherhood”, which has offices in almost all US prisons (they have their own hierarchy, as well as a system of communication and coordination).

Not shot in Nevada - shot in Oregon. Do not shoot in Oregon - shoot somewhere else. The very first mass armed clash will generate a new mythology and will trigger a significant increase in separatist sentiment. If you shake the box with the old dynamite for a long time, it will surely explode.

By the way, there is a rather large (about 10 thousand) community of Russian Old Believers in Oregon, so they may urgently need the presence of Igor Shooter to create an Orthodox army. And then something he just bored in Russia ...
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 15 January 2016 05: 35 New
    44
    Glory to Oregon Russia! laughing
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 15 January 2016 05: 46 New
      +7
      Glory to Oregon Russia!

      More likely, Novo-yus! Without shit and liberals !!!
      1. bif
        bif 15 January 2016 11: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Bone
        Glory to Oregon Russia!
        More likely, Novo-yus! Without shit and liberals !!!

        Soon, just the reason will be that Zakharova or someone else from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs went there and fed pancakes.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 15 January 2016 11: 33 New
          12
          Laugh laugh but ....
          In 46 states there are no restrictions on the acquisition of the number of trunks. Only four states have a rule according to which the buyer can purchase one gun (pistol, rifle, etc.) per month. In 43 states, the acquisition of weapons does not require a license or registration. In 44 states, the secondary arms market is not regulated in any way (that is, the owner of the gun is free to sell it to anyone who wants it).

          I have one good friend who lives in Seattle (Washington), I visited him a couple of times. He admitted that illegally without difficulty you can even get a portable grenade launcher, but since for the most part the people do not want problems with the authorities, few people do it. Yes, and why? There, and so legally, absolutely legally, everyone has a rifle automatic (semi-automatic) weapon.

          That is, the population of a small town (armed) can represent a serious military formation. And let's say, if suddenly, well, it impatient for them to arrange a “small” revolution in a single city, they will succeed very well. Since you are planning to fight the authorities, you can clandestinely buy Jav, Tow, heavy machine guns. And if you take into account that among the population the former military men who passed Iraq and Afghanistan, who are fit to use weapons, this could create a problem.

          Another thing is that in the USA, such a revolution (without appropriate support) will be suppressed in itself, and the question is only in the consequences and time. In the United States, people don’t particularly stand on ceremony, if you need to suppress someone - an APC or Tank arrives, a helicopter or plane arrives, and that’s all. Any excitement, the direction to discredit the US authorities, is interpreted unambiguously - treason, espionage, subversion. Any Navalny, Nemtsov, Udaltsov, Venediktov, in the United States - is shot while providing "resistance", lands in Guantanomo, or any other private prison, where he quickly (accidentally) bends. And the press is given an ascribing recommendation - not to cover, to forget.
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 15 January 2016 13: 44 New
            +4
            I completely agree with you on almost everything except one. So far, Americans are not ready to fight the adult with the authorities. Let’s recall Ferguson - how many rallies they held there, threw stones, burned cars, beat the police, even fired a couple of times until the National Guard was introduced. And that’s all. Although, it would seem, with their number of weapons in the hands of the population, the city could be rocked much more abruptly, with barricades, with a change of power, etc. But they don’t want, why? They shouted, rallied - and for the allowance, I want to eat, but the authorities are still feeding.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 15 January 2016 17: 38 New
              +3
              Americans understand that the state cannot be smashed. Oregon is a protest.

              But none of the total number of readers understands the state system of the United States.

              The USA is not typically arranged like a power vertical. Rather, it is a wide horizontal, with an instrument in the form of a state suppression machine and a will of presentation.

              Lobbing systems represent many commercial projects. These coalitions are state regulation.

              The president is a screen of power. Facade.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 15 January 2016 17: 53 New
                +1
                Of course, with such a device, the president cannot fulfill his function as the guarantor of the design.

                Attempts to return presidential power you know how it ends.

                Therefore, the formula, security makes the president the most relevant for the United States. Protection does not like the president, the president is nobody.
          2. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 15 January 2016 14: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            There, and so legally, absolutely legally, everyone has a rifle automatic (semi-automatic) weapon.

            Is automatic weapons allowed for civil circulation in the United States? As far as I know, only semi-automatic is allowed.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 15 January 2016 20: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: ButchCassidy
              Is automatic weapons allowed for civil circulation in the United States? As far as I know, only semi-automatic is allowed.

              You are almost right, but ...
              Since 1986, the United States has banned the sale of fully automatic weapons (however, machine guns, machine guns, etc., issued before 1986, can remain in the possession of people and sold by them privately) Also, in 1994, another restriction was introduced - stores of rapid-fire rifles should not hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, therefore, accordingly, it is allowed to own and resell privately stores purchased before 1994.

              And further. You, for example, living in a state such as New Mexico or Texas, can apply for a license in a private military organization to purchase (store) fully automatic weapons, provided that you are a retired officer. In this case, the weapon is issued to you, ATTENTION, as registered according to the documents, while you pay only the license, the limit of the trunks is not set.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 05: 46 New
      16
      Weekday federalization in the United States: Oregon Militia
      why there is no "TOYOTA" with machine guns M249, aka FN minimi? / or Browning M2?
      so here.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 15 January 2016 05: 52 New
        +3
        Perhaps soon they will appear, only in their case it is more likely Doji with Fords will be laughing
        1. ICT
          ICT 15 January 2016 06: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Observer 33
          it's rather doji with fords will be
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 January 2016 06: 02 New
        39
        Gentlemen, let us help them, we will send them the flags of Russia, and after American politicians see the tricolor, the party in occupied Oregon will cease to be languid.
        And the nigga in the White House will choke on a banana.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 06: 09 New
          15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          please help them, we will send them the flags of Russia

          our form is better, now it will be jolly ... yes
          1. Limon1972
            Limon1972 15 January 2016 09: 45 New
            +2
            I've also thought about the "Warrior" good
            1. Koshak
              Koshak 15 January 2016 12: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Limon1972
              I've also thought about the "Warrior" good

              It will be enough to send the vests so that the Great and the Big-eared went out on diarrhea.
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          3. Altona
            Altona 15 January 2016 11: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            our form is better, now it will be jolly ...

            ----------------------
            Hunting camouflage is usually worn by the reed system.)))
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 15 January 2016 07: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          А nigga in the White House will choke on a banana.

          Sanya, hi! Well this is not politically correct! need to write love African American lol
        3. Altona
          Altona 15 January 2016 11: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Gentlemen, let us help them, we will send them the flags of Russia

          --------------------
          Blue Saint Andrew's Cross symbol on the Red Fields with Stars is the Confederate flag. They do not need other flags. Police flags - image of snakes or predatory cats. Armament is the most diverse, from M60 machine guns to Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. The militia is also fueled by the myth that THREE PERCENTS of the active population of the United States were able to overthrow the power of the English king. And this is not the muhra muhra. The slogan, for example, Georgia’s police MOLON LABE (“come and take” like 300 Spartans) ...
        4. Angry orc
          Angry orc 16 January 2016 09: 53 New
          0
          no need to joke like that, or even choke on the truth!
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 January 2016 05: 56 New
      36
      Quote: Vladimir
      Glory to Oregon Russia! laughing

      Oregon is ours!
      Our politicians also need to go out to the press with a frostbitten face, about the fact that Obama must leave and not be able to use water cannons in the cold, and also not be able to use helicopters ... And in general, the Oregon militias are moderate opposition.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 15 January 2016 06: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Oregon is ours!
        - For a complete set, they need to pull up jumpers Z Kyev, with chants: "Hto not dance, that p.s.dos !!!" It's time to close up the circus in Americanism.
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 15 January 2016 10: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Quote: Vladimir
        Glory to Oregon Russia! laughing

        Oregon is ours!
        Our politicians also need to go out to the press with a frostbitten face, about the fact that Obama must leave and not be able to use water cannons in the cold, and also not be able to use helicopters ... And in general, the Oregon militias are moderate opposition.

        Well, actually, Obama must and will definitely leave ...
        But the violation of the foundations of democracy, violation of human rights, the dictatorship of the American oligarchs .... and in general, they are children!
      3. RBLip
        RBLip 15 January 2016 11: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Our politicians also need to go out to the press with a frostbitten face, about the fact that Obama must leave and not be able to use water cannons in the cold, and also not be able to use helicopters ... And in general, the Oregon militias are moderate opposition.

        why trifle. send V.V.Zhirinovsky to Oregon with Tula gingerbread. "farmers" stopudovo do not eat ...
    4. Tihas
      Tihas 15 January 2016 08: 19 New
      +6
      Today we are all Oregonians! (or oregons, how right?)
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 15 January 2016 08: 41 New
        0
        forgive us, bill ... oooh, sorry. banana
      2. Drmadfisher
        Drmadfisher 15 January 2016 11: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Tihas
        Today we are all Oregonians! (or oregons, how right?)

        oregon laughing
    5. Blondy
      Blondy 15 January 2016 08: 36 New
      +9
      Zakharova, take cookies to Oregon! Psaki and Nuland sucks!
      1. Altona
        Altona 15 January 2016 13: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Blondy
        Zakharova, take cookies to Oregon! Psaki and Nuland sucks!

        -----------------------
        What these dudes eat and you can’t take on the trailer. They like meat. In general, they themselves can treat and feed her, these are excellent hunters, fishers and farmers. And their moonshine is driven out of barley, called Moon shine, moonlight, well, like ours.)))
    6. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 15 January 2016 08: 49 New
      +5
      We ought to bring them cookies.

      PySy. dude on the video is right in one thing and I agree with him. The Hammond are not terrorists, as the American authorities are trying to show the population, possibly lost delinquents, but they have nothing to do with cutting heads, exploding crowds of fanatics who are fighting in Syria.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 15 January 2016 10: 53 New
        +6
        Launch the I Am Oregon hashtag? laughing
        By the way, take a look at the Oregon flag - the colors do not resemble anything? wink
    7. Army1
      Army1 15 January 2016 11: 47 New
      +2
      Now I seem to understand why, in the "most democratic country - the United States", when dispersing a demonstration, the police arrive in armored personnel carriers in outfits as if the 3rd world had begun. laughing In general, the United States has many problems of its own, because around the world the states support artificial revolutions, I think they need stability in their country, so if there is a real revolution, it will be in the USA. I could be wrong of course, but the fact remains: they have millions of plastic coffins and empty prisons soldier .
      1. Altona
        Altona 15 January 2016 13: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Army1
        Now I seem to understand why, in the "most democratic country - the United States", when dispersing a demonstration, the police arrive in armored personnel carriers in outfits as if the 3rd world had begun.

        ---------------------
        Well, yes, because the army comes to fight the army ... But there the policemen and army men retired support their own, therefore they send them from another state, as we do from another OMON region.
    8. Mikado
      Mikado 15 January 2016 15: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      Glory to Oregon Russia! laughing

      And in the photo in the article, by chance, is the Oregon Cossack Babai not? wink
    9. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 15 January 2016 16: 43 New
      0
      Yes, but it’s a pity the guy on the video ...
    10. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 17 January 2016 10: 18 New
      -1
      The author, as they say, mixed in one pile "honey, wow .. and bees."

      I don’t even want to argue with this hash, because all in one heap, as well as the author’s no moaning (whom he supports, that is, who is the hillbilly and who is the “true Aryan”, so to speak).
  2. venaya
    venaya 15 January 2016 05: 36 New
    13
    many US Army veterans (shell-shocked on the head on the basis of the constitution, freedoms, founding fathers and other rubbish)

    What an interesting comment by the author of the article. Indeed, between the declared freedoms and reality, there is a real chasm, unfortunately this is happening not only in the United States, this phenomenon has already become widespread.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 15 January 2016 10: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      Indeed, between the declared freedoms and reality, there is a real abyss, unfortunately this is happening not only in the United States, this phenomenon has already become widespread.

      History repeats itself constantly - and this has already been done repeatedly ... It’s enough to remember the riots of the Vietnam War veterans throwing their medals back over the White House fence, just remember our Afghan veterans who returned from the war and faced with bandits in the power of the house, now the same thing happens in the USA ... A whole layer of Yankees passed through Iraq and Afghanistan - they they constantly suggested that they were fighting for universal liberal values ​​there ... But now they have returned home and they do not see what they have been told at point blank range - but they see the same chaos only hidden and much higher and already at home ... Naturally, a conflict arises ...
      Hence the constant reports from the USA, either about the suicides of the former military, or about yet another psycho opening fire on passers-by ...
      In this case, it is high time for the American authorities to send heavy armored vehicles and multiple launch rocket systems to Oregon (after all, the separatists are already armed) ... And why doesn’t Obama declare an ATO in Oregon?

      But there is a fundamental difference between the previous riots in America and the current ones - now the United States is too stuck in debt and international affairs - and any small internal crisis can cause an avalanche of negative events for America ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 January 2016 11: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: Selevc
        But there is a fundamental difference between the previous riots in America and the current ones - now the United States is too stuck in debt and international affairs - and any small internal crisis can cause an avalanche of negative events for America ...

        Heh heh heh ... the US authorities have extensive experience dealing with their veterans.
        Pomnitsa, after the WWII, some bonuses were promised to her participants. Money certificates were issued, but payments on them were postponed. And with the beginning of the Great Depression, veterans decided that there was no more strength to wait - let the state fulfill its obligations now and in full. Some congressmen supported them, but President Hoover and Republicans began to insist on the impossibility of such payments. Bonus Bill appeared.
        And 17 veterans + 000 members of their families and sympathizers went to Washington. We reached the city, set up camp - and began to wait.
        On June 17, 1932, the Bonus Bill was rejected by the Senate. On July 28, police tried to disperse the camp, but was repelled - while two WWI veterans were shot dead.
        And then Hoover ordered the use of the army. Infantry, cavalry, and even tanks went into action. And the future WWII stars commanded all this: the operation was headed by the Chief of Staff of the US Army Douglas MacArthur, one of his assistants was Dwight Eisenhower, and the tanks were commanded by George Patton.
        Cavalry dispersed the protesters. Then the infantry cleared the streets of people (moreover, the infantry marched on veterans with attached bayonets and actively used adamsite, an irritating anti-inflammatory compound).
        MacArthur didn’t even stop Hoover’s order to stop the operation after clearing the streets of Washington: Douglas said that veterans are rebels who decided to overthrow the US leadership.
        After that, the forces of MacArthur went to the veterans' camp: the infantry had already cleared people of it by the tried and tested method, and Patton's tanks passed through the camp, crushing everything in its path.

        And wise Ike tried to dissuade MacArthur from personal presence at the scene and the distribution of interviews: "This is not a place for army chief of staff". But MacArthur wanted to show off. As a result, this episode in his biography was remembered for a long time ...
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 15 January 2016 13: 48 New
          +1
          I did not know about this case, thanks for the excursion into American history. A country ready to kill its veterans to save money will go a long way. More truly, already went ...
  3. Hubun
    Hubun 15 January 2016 05: 42 New
    24
    Yes, even if it’s already shot that they would deal with their problems, and not poke their nose around the world
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 15 January 2016 05: 44 New
    +4
    They will crush the riot with iron. The experience with the feds of the mattresses is rich. The survivors will be put on criminal articles, the political martyrs have not given up to anyone. It’s usual for the United States, there’s no special media coverage.
  5. 24rus
    24rus 15 January 2016 05: 46 New
    +6
    We ought to hold them!
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 January 2016 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: 24rus
      We ought to hold them!

      ------------------------
      They themselves can support you, my late friend, people's policeman Brandon Votkins had an arsenal of something like 269 trunks up to machine guns: Barrett, Kalashnikov and Saiga rifles, M-4 and M-16, M60 machine guns. Moreover, he inherited 189 trunks from his father and grandfather ... And something about 10-15 thousand rounds ... In general, you can imagine the level of equipment with weapons ...
  6. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 15 January 2016 05: 47 New
    +5
    The article smiled, the style is cheerful.
    Well, there are enough such "ear-hooks" (in the text) everywhere, somewhere more, somewhere less ... But the Americans really have a huge amount of weapons in their hands, and they can have a lot of smoke.
    PS "Aryan Brotherhood" of convicts - especially pleased laughing Who is not there ...
  7. viktor561
    viktor561 15 January 2016 05: 47 New
    +5
    Well, the United States should be divided into pieces, as they divided Yugoslavia
  8. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 January 2016 05: 51 New
    27
    Will! Glory to the Oregon region!

    Generally calm, this is a safe country. If in this form they go to the store, then it is not surprising that the police open fire with every mouse bunch ...





    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 January 2016 06: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Generally calm, this is a safe country.

      Because the correct handling of weapons there since childhood is taught.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 15 January 2016 07: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Because the correct handling of weapons there since childhood is taught.


        Come on! Therefore, they already started shooting children ?!
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 15 January 2016 07: 07 New
        18
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Because the correct handling of weapons there since childhood is taught.

        Yeah. The manual is this: My young friend, if you were hit at school or put a deuce:
        1. Come to daddy's room.
        2. Open the cabinet and take the AR-15
        3. Take cartridges and magazines on the shelf below
        4. Go to your school with this household and show these jerks that you are not a dvoeshnik. smile
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 15 January 2016 10: 05 New
      +9
      But let at least one hairy-nosed man try to rape or at least take away a sotik ... yes, he has an anti-standoff over 100 metro lines, and a radiant and friendly smile on his face ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 15 January 2016 11: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Barkhan
        But let at least one hairy-nosed man try to rape or at least take away a sotik ...

        ------------------------------
        Every good Catholic is obliged to protect his family and be muzzled by strangers and Gentiles so that they know who is in power. In the South, for example, there are many Baptists who build blacks, sorry, African Americans and Muslims for prevention. As my friend put it, "programmable monkeys." Such a light domestic racism, so as not to be arrogant ...
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 15 January 2016 13: 21 New
          +1
          Weapons for the protection of their lives and the lives of their loved ones, for the protection of their property, are not intended only for slaves and taxable estates.
          I will stop raising this issue only when our rulers (from the president to the deputies and governors) surrender their service or award short-barreled weapons. As soon as they dissolve their armed guards. As soon as the police and other security officials walk among their citizens without weapons and not like in Africa with machine guns on the road. As soon as you can let your children out into the street without fear, and walk yourself in the dark at any time.
          And as long as the state shakes hands with its law-abiding citizens, it is in fact an accomplice of bandits and terrorists.
          And the state in this matter is expressed by specific posts and surnames. On their conscience, everyone is killed and robbed.
    3. Altona
      Altona 15 January 2016 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Generally calm, this is a safe country.

      ----------------------
      Nobody has canceled and will not cancel the right to weapons. In addition, in some states, Georgia, for example, you MUST have TWO barrels for hunting and self-defense. Your photos posted from Texas. Texas considers itself a separate state on which brazenly paralyzed federal structures that proud Texans did not invite ...
      PS Putin generally said that "USA Texas was squeezed from Mexico.")))
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 January 2016 12: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        PS Putin generally said that "USA Texas was squeezed from Mexico.")))

        Hehehehe ... the history of independence of the Republic of Texas painfully resembles the LPR and the DPR in one bottle. Up to the "north wind", "volunteers" and regular criminal thieves. smile
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 16 January 2016 00: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          the history of independence of the Republic of Texas painfully resembles the LC and the DNI in one bottle


          I would not say there is one very significant difference. Texas belonged to Mexico initially muddied the English "come in large numbers." And the industrial Novorossia Bolsheviks along with already available Russian population annexed to agrarian Ukraine to ensure the desired election results (before 1936 it was very democratic with us - 1 worker vote was 4 votes for peasants, so that in the elections the workers of Donbass "weighed" almost as much as the peasants of Ukraine)
    4. opus
      opus 15 January 2016 12: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Generally calm, this is a safe country.

      It is only in Texas like that.

      BBQ & Steak House July 4, 2013 in Houston, Texas.

      According to the Gun Violence Archive, more than 5000 people were killed and 9740 people were injured as a result of the use of weapons throughout the United States since January 1, 2015.


      A lot of? Like yes.
      HOWEVER® (M.Leontiev):

      There are less than 13 million small arms in circulation in Russia, while in the United States there are 300 million.
      It turns out that in Russia there are about 100 units per 9 people, and in the United States 100.

      Recent statistics on killings in Russia show that in 2009, 21603 of them were committed in Russia.

      According to the FBI, in the US in 2009 there were 13636 killings, although the population there is twice as large as in Russia. More than 80% of them with weapons
      RF-USA no such picture
      But the essence does not change (in the specific indicator)

      Quote: B.T.W.
      Come on! Therefore, they already started shooting children ?!

      Like we have "silk and fluffy"?


      (according to the TFR, an increase of + 5% compared to 2014 (the lowest in 5 years) of crimes committed by minors
    5. Scraptor
      Scraptor 16 January 2016 21: 55 New
      0
      Well, in Israel and Switzerland also go, then what?
  9. BLOND
    BLOND 15 January 2016 05: 53 New
    14
    In connection with these events:
    - holding free democratic elections in the United States (with international observers, including the Russian deputy corps and veteran organizations of the Airborne Forces, border guards, the Navy, etc.)
    - surrender of nuclear weapons under the control of the Russian Federation (due to the unstable political and macroeconomic situation in the USA)
    - recognition in the US Constitution that Parent-1, Parent-2, Obama, all three pi..de..rasts
    wink
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 15 January 2016 07: 17 New
      +8
      Respect.
      And another - the recognition that Alaska 0 is Russian territory that was captured due to fraud.
      1. lunoxod
        lunoxod 15 January 2016 08: 58 New
        +6
        But what about california. Also ours.
        1. Mikhalych 70
          Mikhalych 70 16 January 2016 16: 32 New
          0
          What about California? I have not heard, enlighten, if not laziness.
      2. gergi
        gergi 15 January 2016 09: 12 New
        -1
        Thank you Romanov.
  10. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 15 January 2016 05: 55 New
    +4
    it’s good that the United States is overseas, there are all sorts of weapons of all sorts of dope on hand, it will begin if it’s a civilian branch of hell wassat
    One minus is cardboard houses, especially you can’t hide sad
    In general, of course, I would not want a civilian in the United States, ordinary citizens will suffer, they are not involved in the US foreign policy.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 January 2016 06: 07 New
      15
      Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
      ordinary citizens will suffer

      Citizens are in a great deal of strife. More recently, Americans staged a fake poll among ordinary citizens, asked to support Obama to deliver a nuclear strike on Russia. Simple citizens with great pleasure supported and signed.
      Let America burn in the fire!
      1. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 15 January 2016 06: 16 New
        +4
        we would also be found.
        1. APS
          APS 15 January 2016 09: 18 New
          +2
          And I and most of the Kurchatov Strait do not get out of my head. amafter all these amerikosovsky miscarriages addressed to us and to our neighbors, friends ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 15 January 2016 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: APS
            And I and most of the Kurchatov Strait do not get out of my head.

            ----------------------------
            The main enemies of the rednecks, I call the addresses - New York, Wall street and Washington DC
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 January 2016 11: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Citizens are in a great deal of strife. More recently, Americans staged a fake poll among ordinary citizens, asked to support Obama to deliver a nuclear strike on Russia. Simple citizens with great pleasure supported and signed.

        ----------------------------
        Rednecks are usually traditionalists and ultra-right-wingers — they don't like blacks, muslims, communists, LGBT people, bankers, or brokers. Russia still ranks among them “communists”, among those who do not know about our country, therefore they want to destroy us as a “commie”. More advanced, on the contrary, consider Putin to be the last marshal of God, and we are the closest Christian allies. And for some reason, Israel. hi
    2. Altona
      Altona 15 January 2016 11: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
      One minus is cardboard houses, especially you can’t hide

      ---------------------------
      In the mountains there are many abandoned mines, workings and abandoned farms. There will be a war a la Rambo First blood ... In general, Tennessee, Georgia, the places are awesomely beautiful, a lot of deer animals, bears, moose, wolves and coyotes.
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 January 2016 05: 59 New
    +2
    Well, let's hope that the spark of the fight does flare up
    war of liberation. What would America build military bases in its own country.
  12. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 January 2016 06: 01 New
    +5
    In general, I can’t imagine how far I would walk from the house with an AK behind me.

    I think the first jeep passing by is my taxi to the opornik. :)) (and it seems to me that is correct)
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 January 2016 11: 36 New
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      In general, I can’t imagine how far I would walk from the house with an AK behind me.

      ------------------------
      In Chelyabinsk, a dude with a machine gun and camouflage got on the tram as if nothing had happened and drove off, as I understand it, he was an airsoft player, but he looked beyond good and evil.))))
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 15 January 2016 12: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        I understand that the airsoft player, but it looked beyond the line of good and evil.))))

        for such things in airsoft can chuck up, so as not to set precedents ... plus disqualification for setting up playmates.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 15 January 2016 14: 15 New
      0
      At the beginning of the two thousandth he carried his TOZ 34 double-barreled shotgun to the licensing department for inspection. As expected, disassembled, in a case. On foot, for not very far. There they assembled it, checked it, but couldn’t make it out, cunningly this model understands who it was from, it knows. Well, I went home, with a gun on my shoulder. So, the oncoming policemen on the other side of the sidewalk crossed and pretended not to notice me and the gun, so I got home without any problems.
  13. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 15 January 2016 06: 08 New
    +3
    Not everything is calm in the Danish kingdom. One can see not so small these local contradictions, if it came to that. The guys are fighting for a better life, for a fraction of their truth. But they don’t hear them (or do not want to hear). What is in the "dry residue"? An abscess that is impossible not to notice and that needs to be opened. It hurts though.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 15 January 2016 07: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Not everything is calm in the Danish kingdom. One can see not so small these local contradictions, if it came to that. The guys are fighting for a better life, for a fraction of their truth. But they don’t hear them (or do not want to hear). What is in the "dry residue"? An abscess that is impossible not to notice and that needs to be opened. It hurts though.

      About 10 years ago, a friend from Germany told me that democracy is now in Russia, and the totalitarian state is the EU. Everything is strictly within the framework of the law, for a fine that you did not pay in violation of the SDA, they will be evicted to the outskirts of the city, deprived of benefits, arrested property, but they will receive their money.
      Monitoring everything and everything, thoughts, actions for 24 hours under supervision!
  14. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 15 January 2016 06: 09 New
    0
    We need urgent decentralization of power! To scumbags, that is, to farmers (although many of them don’t even know which of the two is a cow and a chicken to milk, and who carries eggs.) On the farm at the expense of sponsorship and no taxes forever. but these are trifles, in short, each state has the status of a country and its own president! Alaska-Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. Yarik
    Yarik 15 January 2016 06: 12 New
    +5
    they may urgently need the presence of Igor Shooter to create an Orthodox army. And then something he was completely bored in Russia ...

    He smiled, imagined in colors. laughing
  16. V.ic
    V.ic 15 January 2016 06: 24 New
    +2
    Oregon has a rather large (about 10 thousand) community of Russian Old Believers, so they may urgently need the presence of Igor Shooter to create an Orthodox army. And then something he was completely bored in Russia ...
    Author Alexander Rogers

    And where to laugh? It is enough to type in the search engine "shooting of strikers in the USA" and follow the links. A cheerful expression will change ...
  17. pinhead
    pinhead 15 January 2016 06: 25 New
    +5
    and our farmers and the authorities and bandits milked ... I can not imagine such an effective protest in Russia
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 January 2016 06: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: pinhead
      and our farmers and the authorities and bandits milked ... I can not imagine such an effective protest in Russia

      Slaves weapons are not allowed.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 15 January 2016 07: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Slaves weapons are not allowed.


        What did you mean?! Open your mind, please!
      2. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 15 January 2016 07: 11 New
        +2
        what does the slaves have to do with wassat
        Do you know sir that 85% of crimes are drunk bytovuha? to continue?
        Secondly, in Russia there are approximately 1.5 million convicts, and there are very serious organized crime groups, continue?
        In the free access to weapons there are pros and cons, at the moment, there are much more minuses.
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 15 January 2016 11: 01 New
          +5
          We read part 1 of article 24 of the Law of the Russian Federation "On weapons"
          Citizens of the Russian Federation may use their legally available weapons to protect life, health and property able necessary defense or emergency. Weapons must be preceded by a clear warning about this person against whom the weapon is used, unless delays in the use of weapons pose a direct danger to human life or may entail other grave consequences. At the same time, the use of weapons in the state of necessary defense should not harm third parties.

          The difficulty is that the legislative wording is very vague and ambiguous. This is done in order to adapt the rule of law to all cases, but this does not happen. For example: someone is trying to set fire to your car, you take IZH-17, TOZ-34, Saigu, Tiger, etc. or something else, repeatedly yelling at him about the use of weapons, after which they shoot a person with a leg, for example, or fall into the liver, kidney, i.e. inflicting grievous bodily harm, but the Criminal Code says that counteracting d / b is proportionate to the harm done. Further, a trial takes place and the result is that: the bandit was not going to burn anyone but carried a canister to his car around the corner; 2. Warnings - what warnings I was in the headphones; 3. your hypothetically burned car is not equal to the remote kidney of a bandit and you get a very real time. At the same time, if this d .. tried to set fire to the military unit’s checkpoint (a generally dangerous way of committing a crime), the checkpoint officer would have shot his head and there would have been nothing but a paper press. The question is: why? Because: according to the theory of law: the state is an apparatus of violence, and the monopoly on the use of force fully belongs only to it, at the same time, the state gives some indulgences to citizens entitled to civilian weapons, but the question is how to measure the hypothetical harm from an arson attempt and damage to the bandit’s body by a bullet or buckshot. It's about how cold with hard. After all, the bullet does not think where it will go, what lateral impact it has, it will break a bone, it will not break, and the whole machine, so what, that torch is nearby and a canister. Why didn’t you use sambo, karate and aikido techniques. Until the legal approaches and law enforcement practice are changed, own at least RMB, but the consequences of its application will usually be negative.
          1. Mikhalych 70
            Mikhalych 70 16 January 2016 16: 42 New
            0
            At the same time, if this d .. tried to set fire to the military unit’s checkpoint (a generally dangerous way of committing a crime), the checkpoint officer would have shot his head and there would have been nothing but a paper press
            A moot point. I think the military prosecutor’s office would take the duty officer away. There is such a rule. If, when escaping, a snake, when hit by a sentry from the tower, falls over the fence, then shoulder straps are cut off from the Chekist and sent to Nizhny. Tagil. If the sergeant fell "inside" the zone, the Chekist and the nachkar are given all kinds of incentives, in the form of a "silver cross" and leave for their homeland for a period of 10 days ... There were cases when the corpse of the servant was thrown back to avoid story 1.
      3. IS-80
        IS-80 15 January 2016 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Slaves weapons are not allowed.

        The noodles are stale. smile
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2016 06: 25 New
    +3
    many US Army veterans (shell-shocked on the head on the basis of the constitution, freedoms, founding fathers and other rubbish).


    And how do you, dear forum users, the author’s attitude to the basic law of the country, freedom and, as he writes, other rubbish? Then, in general, why do we need a state to feed a crowd of parasites in the form of officials on our taxes? In any democratic state - a constitution, this is the basis of the very existence of the state.
    What was the reason for this confrontation is somehow not very interesting to me. But we can not only defend the law, our rights and freedom, but we must and are even obliged, it is even written in the oath. Something there have striped some sort of regular mutoten.
  19. Mera joota
    Mera joota 15 January 2016 06: 46 New
    +3
    Personally, I think they are a bunch of full tricks, but they can be understood.

    Well, what else could a Russian citizen who spoke out against the lawlessness of the authorities unambiguously be the "trickster" ... power is sacred, from God, etc.

    in fact, it is a police state with a system of total surveillance, with "patriotic acts", with the arbitrariness of the federals and with the dictatorship of transnational corporations (TNCs), which in fact destroy small and medium-sized enterprises, establishing their monopoly, including in agriculture. And the choice they have in this case or become schizophrenic, or rebellion.

    In general, the United States is a state in which the constitution allows us to possess weapons for protection against everything, even from the state itself. Washington is well aware that they are dealing with an armed people and options like ours (shitting people on their heads) will not work.
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 January 2016 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      In general, the United States is a state in which the constitution allows us to possess weapons for protection against everything, even from the state itself. Washington is well aware that they are dealing with an armed people and options like ours (shitting people on their heads) will not work.

      ---------------------
      Moreover, the PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TURN OUT AN OPPOSITE GOVERNMENT!
  20. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 15 January 2016 06: 54 New
    +2
    In America, if the common people rebel, then not everyone will have three machine guns there and with permission to shoot the democrat laughing
  21. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 15 January 2016 07: 17 New
    +7
    Quote: Zomanus
    Well, let's hope that the spark of the fight does flare up

    Oklahomshchina's grain growers! Breeders of Texas! Deploy Advanced
    Oregon Farmers Experience!
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 15 January 2016 07: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    Glory to Oregon Russia!

    Oregon Russia glory!
  23. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 January 2016 07: 43 New
    +2
    Frankly, I’m glad that in the United States finally began to appear internal problems that raise citizens to rebellion. The more such problems, the less US interference in the internal affairs of other countries will be. So, the guys from Oregon (even though the author called you "ear hooks") hold on and show that in the United States people can still openly talk about their problems.
  24. pinhead
    pinhead 15 January 2016 07: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Quote: pinhead
    and our farmers and the authorities and bandits milked ... I can not imagine such an effective protest in Russia

    Slaves weapons are not allowed.

    Yes, in our country, weapons are laid only on the roof ...
  25. serkhan
    serkhan 15 January 2016 07: 54 New
    +1
    Weekdays federalization in the US: Oregon militias
    - The American problem becomes chronic, fraught with a serious illness lol
  26. midivan
    midivan 15 January 2016 08: 09 New
    +5
    the grandchildren of the Old Believers submitted passports for visas, it seems like grandfathers and grandmothers have something to keep up with, you need help with cleaning, but dill does not seem to grow there bully
  27. Svetovod
    Svetovod 15 January 2016 08: 20 New
    +2
    MUCH! Lavrov should be closely engaged in this flagrant violation of human rights. How so? Where are parents looking?
  28. gukoyan
    gukoyan 15 January 2016 08: 25 New
    +5
    Excellent!
    That omerika swayed!))) Really give them tricolors and we will have an autonomous republic in the states, and not one))))))))))))
  29. zollstab
    zollstab 15 January 2016 08: 27 New
    0
    And it would be nice to see the broadcasts from the scene, preferably daily and in lots!
  30. Egoza
    Egoza 15 January 2016 08: 43 New
    +2
    Other farmers and cowboys support the police and the demands to free the Hammonds, and also declare that the federal government has taken almost all the land on which they used to plant livestock, displacing herders and farmers from their homes that their families have been using and cultivating for several generations.

    And the boomerang came back! And how did you yourself drive the Indians from their land, where they lived for centuries, hunted, ran a farm ...? Get it! And let this also be the beginning of the collapse of the United States.
  31. mishastich
    mishastich 15 January 2016 08: 59 New
    +2
    The author of course in vain interferes with the minutemans and the Aryan brotherhood in one pile. Criminals and patriotic organizations.


    And so the conclusion is simple, the feds are experiencing them, just as in the USSR they were chewing on popular performances in Novocherkassk. But this is the first bell, and then - "Falling, push."
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 15 January 2016 10: 21 New
      +3
      [quote = mishastich] The author of course in vain interferes with the minutemans and the Aryan brotherhood in one heap. Criminals and patriotic organizations.
      And what difference does it make of what they are called there ... They have a great massacre experience. Coarse hair, both their plus and minus, the more different gangs, the more fun the holiday will be. Always, something happens for the first time.
      And if there is a force that will take the first step (and we all know how to do this, for example, snipers on the Maidan) and the situation can begin to live its own life, then the Americans on both sides will think up a continuation of the scenario.
      I always cite New Orleans as an example during flooding. The federal government was slightly weakened and the city turned into Somalia. Now they don’t like to tell how the order was given to shoot at everything suspicious. And “law-abiding” citizens replied fervently.
      1. mishastich
        mishastich 15 January 2016 12: 55 New
        0
        I suggest they do not interfere - simply by the difference in moral qualities. We have an attitude towards the Americans, often as to unprecedented animals, and they are people.

        Patriotic organizations - minutemans, mountaineers and others, these are for the most part (not all) idealists.

        The Aryan Brotherhood are criminals. Thugs, killers, drug dealers and so on.

        New Orleans - exponential the case of the weakness of the US federal government, but I’m sure that Washington would prefer to lose all its bases abroad than 1 square kilometer of the USA.

        Sincerely.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 15 January 2016 22: 05 New
          +1
          The USA is really a motley education. And if everything were uniformly distributed on the territory, then there would be no problems. That's just the situation, just the opposite. The states, enclaves, districts, streets are all divided ... By racial, religious, historical, national, ideological and class affiliation. And often the warring groups of decades and centuries are at war.
          The homogeneity of the “new nation” did not work. It’s like in a zoo, like all animals, but it’s worth opening the cells ...
          And these animals also have weapons, millions of units ...
          Well, each group has its own idea of ​​"justice" in the future ...
          All world empires were burned up precisely on the desire to assimilate the neighbors of the “barbarians.” Well, except for China ... or maybe their time has not come yet.
  32. gergi
    gergi 15 January 2016 09: 20 New
    +1
    The Russians will not be allowed to have weapons. The power of gratitude to the people is afraid.
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 15 January 2016 09: 30 New
    +4
    I don’t know how the author understands the situation, but the key word in this whole situation is the offensive of agricultural TNCs and the destruction of farmers as a class. But they are one of the cornerstones at the base of America. So it’s not so simple. And it’s also a sin of labor people to call ushlepoks.
  34. Nzn
    Nzn 15 January 2016 10: 15 New
    +1
    I only a couple of days ago after the article on the VO "Premonition of a civil war: what Crimea was saved from", I was interested in how the oppressed lice are doing)) The article is a direct answer to my question.

    I notice that the separatist movement is observed the farther, the more countries. Interestingly, is this some kind of global tendency to move away from a settled and calm life, or is the reaction of the population to attempts by states to completely suppress any freedoms of their citizens? I wonder who is the general conductor of all (globally) this performance?
  35. Thompson
    Thompson 15 January 2016 10: 22 New
    0
    Events are muddy. I do not know all the nuances of the case, so I will not judge.
    The article is not clear about what.
  36. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 15 January 2016 11: 14 New
    0
    All to support the nationwide referendum in Oregon!
  37. Alexez
    Alexez 15 January 2016 11: 17 New
    +1
    In general, I wonder how they, with such a number of firearms multiplied by the concentration of "thugs" of different stripes, have not shot each other yet? ... Maybe, after all, show-offs and window dressing, like this is how cool we are afraid of nobody, but how fried it smells immediately, as it were, and nothing to do with it - they went out for a walk, breathed fresh Oregon air, it’s useful - doctors advise, he ... he ...
  38. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 11: 46 New
    +1
    This is how Georgia’s People’s Policeman looks ..
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 15 January 2016 14: 24 New
      0
      But there are no helmets :)
  39. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 11: 49 New
    0
    Military gathering of Georgia police. The inscriptions that they are patriots, tyranny will not tolerate and all that. 3% civic activists, in general ... The most interesting thing is that when the population of the town or village of Lula is 4 thousand people, 300 (!) Consists of the people's police.)))
  40. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 07 New
    0
    Here's an example of a comparison of Obama and Putin in the United States. Obama is clear who the killer and tyrant is, and it was not clear where he was born.
  41. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 08 New
    0
    Here is such an easy justification. Why people should have their own militia.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 15 January 2016 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Here is such an easy justification. Why people should have their own militia.

      Adult children with dangerous toys.
  42. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 11 New
    +2
    The theme of "new crusaders" is very popular. The time of the new crusaders to liberate the holy land is the inscription. Pay attention to the weapon.))))
  43. vladimirw
    vladimirw 15 January 2016 12: 15 New
    0
    By the way, there is a rather large (about 10 thousand) community of Russian Old Believers in Oregon, so they may urgently need the presence of Igor Shooter to create an Orthodox army. And then something he just bored in Russia ...
    Our need to support! Bad USA - good to the rest of the world!
  44. Yarik76
    Yarik76 15 January 2016 12: 29 New
    +2
    Shooters urgently on a business trip 'need to organize the people.
  45. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 35 New
    0
    You might be a liberal if you wouldn't eat this. Don't matter if deer come stomp produce growing on farmers land, or overpopulation. Don't eat it or you're a redneck, gun slinging Bible toting, American loving ass
    ------------------------
    Comment copied. In general, like we like meat and potatoes, in this case fawn. If you do not like meat and potatoes, then you are probably a liberal ... The dish is very similar to our stewed potatoes and meat, or rather, it is ... good
  46. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 38 New
    0
    The War of Independence of the South began in 1861 and is still ongoing ...
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 15 January 2016 14: 28 New
      0
      The popularity of the Confederate flag image is already a big deal. A symbol of resistance for the understanding and a beautiful picture for the rest.
  47. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 41 New
    +2
    People in jeans (working clothes) built our country, people in suits destroyed it. Just like ours.
  48. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2016 12: 47 New
    +1
    Gun grease "liberal tears", such an easy banter over liberals ...
  49. Bassoon
    Bassoon 15 January 2016 12: 48 New
    0
    Glory to the Oregon People's Republic)
  50. Awaz
    Awaz 15 January 2016 17: 18 New
    +1
    I don’t really want blood, of course, but damn it, somehow it would be necessary to provoke the situation to the Kremlin authorities. In a good scenario, you can play great