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Kiev accepted the proposal of Boris Gryzlov to extend the "silence regime" in Donbass

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The day before, in the Belarusian capital, the first meeting of the contact group on the settlement of the conflict in the Donbas was held this year. One of the topics for discussion is the regime of silence, which was to be observed during the New Year and Christmas holidays. The Ukrainian side said that no silence regime was respected, accustomed to accusing LDNR forces of violations of agreements and shelling. At the same time, it is reported that the special representative of the Russian Federation in the contact group (Boris Gryzlov) proposed to extend the effect of the agreements on a full cease-fire and to monitor their (agreements) implementation.


Kiev accepted the proposal of Boris Gryzlov to extend the "silence regime" in Donbass


One of the moments of the negotiation process commented on her page on the social network Facebook Press Secretary Leonid Kuchma Darka (Daria) Olifer:

Ukraine insists: without a cease-fire, neither mine clearance, nor a normal solution of political, humanitarian and economic issues is possible. That is why Ukraine supports another initiative of the representative of Russia Boris Gryzlov to declare a regime of silence, which should begin immediately.


During the negotiations, the question of the exchange of prisoners was also discussed. Ukraine, as is known, refuses to carry out the exchange program according to the formula “all for all”, speaking about the exchange of only fifty people.

Olifer:
Special attention was paid to the issue of the return of Ukrainian citizens from captivity. At the initiative of Ukraine, all parties came to a mutual agreement in the near future to release more 50 people from both sides, first of all, the wounded, seriously ill and women.


It was discussed, according to Kuchma’s press secretary, and the question of management in the Donbas.

Olifer:
Among the concrete results of today's meeting is the work of the economic subgroup. In the Donbass, the reconstruction of the railway infrastructure and power supply systems continues. In addition, it was possible to find a mechanism for paying off debt for water to Ukrainian enterprises in certain districts of the Luhansk region. It is important to note that this mechanism was found in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation, taking into account the guarantees of the Russian side on debt repayment.


Recall that Kiev, declaring the process of restoring railways and power supply systems, continues to implement the economic blockade of Donbass.
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  1. chikenous59
    chikenous59 14 January 2016 06: 38 New
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    In my opinion, the situation is such that the Minsk agreements without an ultimatum will not be implemented in Kiev, without a military ultimatum, but due to Kiev's dependence on the United States, the situation is somewhat complicated. Again, you have to negotiate with the United States, and all these Minsk agreements are shows for the people.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 14 January 2016 06: 43 New
      15
      Quote: chikenous59
      Again, you have to negotiate with the United States, and all these Minsk agreements are shows for the people.

      Для какого народа? Народ, в большинстве, эти соглашения не понимает и не принимает. Что со стороны России, что со стороны Украины задается вопрос: "Почему нельзя додавить хохлов (сепаров)? Что мешает?". А уж Донбасс ни в коем случае не только не хочет входить в состав Украины, но и вообще иметь с ней что-то общее.
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 14 January 2016 06: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: chikenous59
        Again, you have to negotiate with the United States, and all these Minsk agreements are shows for the people.

        Для какого народа? Народ, в большинстве, эти соглашения не понимает и не принимает. Что со стороны России, что со стороны Украины задается вопрос: "Почему нельзя додавить хохлов (сепаров)? Что мешает?". А уж Донбасс ни в коем случае не только не хочет входить в состав Украины, но и вообще иметь с ней что-то общее.

        I understood that the situation with Donbass is not so simple. Otherwise, it would have been decided a year ago.
        I will not be surprised if our leadership sees any benefit in this already sluggish, semi-frozen conflict. There is no other explanation yet.
        Politics is a dark, behind-the-scenes affair, and the devil knows what the politicians actually agree on and what concessions they make to each other.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 14 January 2016 07: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: chikenous59
          I understood that the situation with Donbass is not so simple.

          Thanks, Cap. yes
          1. Dembel77
            Dembel77 14 January 2016 07: 27 New
            +4
            In a word - neither peace nor war. No changes yet. Apparently this will continue until the president changes in the US?
            1. Corsair0304
              Corsair0304 14 January 2016 07: 57 New
              +5
              Quote: Dembel 77
              Apparently this will continue until the president changes in the US?

              Nothing will change. The President in SUSHA is just a talking head, nothing more.
              Those who have something to say against the bigwigs of the business are simply shot. Of the 43 killed 4, and this, you must agree, a lot.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 14 January 2016 09: 53 New
                +2
                And Donbass in no way not only does not want to be part of Ukraine, but in general have something in common with it.

                Донбасс не только не хочет иметь ничего общего с Украиной, но и освободить свою область полностью от неё. Но оплачивать желания Донбасса Россия не собирается точно так же как Запад не собирается оплачивать хотелки Порося. Вот на этом взаимном нежелании и родились минские химеры "минск-1" и "минск-2"
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 14 January 2016 11: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Dembel 77
              Apparently this will continue until the president changes in the US?

              ... or in Russia ...
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 14 January 2016 11: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Dembel 77
              No changes yet.


              Exactly. As long as the current junta is in power, there will be no progress in the settlement. And all these statements of the representatives of Kiev are a concussion. LDNR needs to continue strengthening statehood, conduct preparations for the elections and passportization of the population, and keep weapons ready. yes
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 January 2016 08: 39 New
            0
            Yeah, Captain. The evidence is straight. lol
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 14 January 2016 07: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: chikenous59
          I will not be surprised if our leadership sees any benefit in this already sluggish, semi-frozen conflict. There is no other explanation yet.

          А чему удивляться? Вы правы. Донбасс - второе Приднестровье. Тем более, пока в ЛДНР продолжается вялотекущий конфликт, Киеву уж точно не до Крыма. Да и "мировому сообществу" тоже.
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 14 January 2016 07: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: chikenous59
            I will not be surprised if our leadership sees any benefit in this already sluggish, semi-frozen conflict. There is no other explanation yet.

            А чему удивляться? Вы правы. Донбасс - второе Приднестровье. Тем более, пока в ЛДНР продолжается вялотекущий конфликт, Киеву уж точно не до Крыма. Да и "мировому сообществу" тоже.

            Yes, I'm afraid that this is a distraction from internal problems, now Syria is also on all the news
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 14 January 2016 07: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            while a sluggish conflict continues in LDNR, Kiev is certainly not up to the Crimea. Да и "мировому сообществу" тоже.

            Well, suppose tomorrow LPR, DPR separated from Ukraine until recognition by the UN, or vice versa, returned to the Ruins, in short, suppose everything calmed down and Kiev became to the Crimea. And what will change? Will they call us aggressors louder? Or are we not just cursed, but cursed invaders?

            The point is not in Crimea, not in the DPR, LPR, and even not in Ukraine itself. The fact is, who brewed it in the 80's and now the whole world is dissolving it ...

            For more information on the topic - here. Only in Russian three editions, not counting others ...
          3. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 January 2016 08: 41 New
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            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Kiev is certainly not up to the Crimea.
            What are you? And what did they get with energy and transport blockades here. Kiev will always deal with Crimea, it is an element of politics.
      2. andre
        andre 14 January 2016 07: 18 New
        +2
        And what is again the guarantee of the Russian side on debt repayment? What is ## Donbassnash ??
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 14 January 2016 10: 19 New
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          I think Donbass will not be ours. Most likely, they will make him an independent unit. Buffer zone. And leave to cook in their own juice. Donbass leadership will have to spin in the same way as Lukashenko. Money and goods will be pumped through the Donbass between the outskirts and Russia. Well, the Russian will try to keep control.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 14 January 2016 12: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Stranger
            Donbass will not be ours. Most likely, they will make him an independent unit. Buffer zone.

            Within these borders? Haha three times. Donbass is now like a suitcase without a handle for the Russian government. It’s hard to carry, but it’s a pity to drop it. You can declare Donbass independence for at least five times, but it cannot survive within these borders. So what? Feed, protect and provide Russia. The Russian government does not like this prospect at all. Expanding the borders of the LPR all problems? The population of LDNR v. Yes, and in Kiev they understand the hopelessness of the situation, so they won’t go for any preferences for Donbass. A dead end.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 14 January 2016 12: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And Donbass in no way not only does not want to be part of Ukraine, but in general have something in common with it.

        Помните фильм "Пираты карибского моря"?Там один герой говорит:"Главное - это то что ты МОЖЕШЬ,и чего НЕ МОЖЕШЬ".В сложившейся ситуации у Донбасса просто нет выбора.Переломить бандеровцев и отформатировать Украину под себя Донбасс не захотел.В состав России Донбасс вступить не может,ибо не нужен(не Крым,поди),существовать самостоятельно в границах по состоянию на сегодняшний день-не может.Что прикажете делать?
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 14 January 2016 10: 18 New
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      Kiev will not be executed without an ultimatum,

      dill top our ultimatum to one place. They already live comfortably! But they don’t care about the people! So the ultimatum will not work.
    3. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 14 January 2016 10: 27 New
      0
      Obama requires Putin to give up support for the Donbass.
      А военный ультиматум невозможен в силу минского соглашения и стремления нашей либерастни любым способом закрыть этот вопрос, чтобы "сняли" санкции, которые в обозримом будущем не снимут.
  2. valokordin
    valokordin 14 January 2016 06: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: chikenous59
    In my opinion, the situation is such that the Minsk agreements without an ultimatum will not be implemented in Kiev, without a military ultimatum, but due to Kiev's dependence on the United States, the situation is somewhat complicated. Again, you have to negotiate with the United States, and all these Minsk agreements are shows for the people.

    И это верно, особенно обмена пленных нацистов на заключённых в тюрьмах за "терроризм". и Надо поставить ультиматум или они прекращают стрелять в народ или мы признаем независимость Донбасса.
  3. Yak28
    Yak28 14 January 2016 06: 44 New
    +9
    Ukraine to believe, to deceive yourself. Such false and low politicians, ruled from outside, have not yet been known by world history. Kiev is building up troops on the contact line, probably not for peace, but for a sudden invasion
    1. Warbird # 4
      Warbird # 4 14 January 2016 07: 18 New
      0
      Cooked like pschek
  4. SAM 5
    SAM 5 14 January 2016 06: 47 New
    +7
    The next Minsk bla-bla show.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 January 2016 07: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: SAM 5
      Another Minsk blah blah show


      I agree 100 percent, the next clanking of Kiev, in order to create another muck quietly. It is impossible to combine the incompatible, there are two ways out: either they will scatter peacefully, but they won’t do this because of the territories, or the war will be to a victorious end, and only then peace will come. Or the current state, with shelling, with the death of people, with cold and hunger.
  5. Yarik
    Yarik 14 January 2016 06: 50 New
    +6
    Kiev accepted the proposal of Boris Gryzlov to extend the "silence regime" in Donbass

    There it is, a signifier, like ... There, there began to be silence. But I did not know. sad
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 14 January 2016 07: 14 New
      0
      Ukraine insists: without a ceasefire, neither mine clearance nor a normal solution to political, humanitarian and economic issues is possible. That is why Ukraine supports the next initiative of the representative of Russia Boris Gryzlov to declare a regime of silence, which should begin immediately.

      Мы уже два года смотрим на то, как все постоянно призывают и поддерживают инициативы сторон о прекращении огня и режиме тишины. Никто не поверит, что Грызлов полетел в Киев с этой "оригинальной" инициативой.
      Gryzlov returned with nothing.
  6. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 14 January 2016 06: 50 New
    +1
    На средства затраченные на шоу "Минские соглашения", наверное, можно было снабжать продовольствием ЛДНР эти годы.
  7. Privat
    Privat 14 January 2016 06: 57 New
    +5
    Да, на переговорах с таким "партнёром" ухо надо держать востро. И без веских доказательств на слово ничему не верить:



    wink
  8. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 14 January 2016 07: 02 New
    +1
    " Кроме того, удалось найти механизм погашения задолженности за воду перед украинскими предприятиями в отдельных районах Луганской области. Важно отметить, что этот механизм найден в соответствии с украинским законодательством с учётом гарантий российской стороны о погашении задолженности."... интересно, а вот убытки по КРЫМУ от деятельности бесноватых скакунов..., каков будет НАЙДЕНЫЙ МЕХАНИЗМ, ЧЬЁ при этом будет учтено законодательство + гарант... И КТО БУДЕТ ГАСИТЬ ЭТУ ЗАДОЛЖЕННОСТЬ...че можете сказать контактная группа ??? Никто не хочет войны,но гопоте ,если не дать в морду вовремя, то надо быть готовым заслуженно подставить свою + готовить для них бабло.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 14 January 2016 07: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: viktor_ui
      losses in the Crimea from the activities of raging horses ... what will be the FOUNDED MECHANISM, WHOSE at the same time the legislation + the guarantor will be taken into account ... AND WHO WILL PAY OUT THIS DEBT

      In Crimea, Ukraine has not yet been decided. But Donbass is ready to sell for 320 billion. Yatsenyuk after his first taste came in, I want, you see, immediately get the 101st.
  9. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 07: 03 New
    0
    Yeah, the regime of silence means Kiev was still given indulgence to continue the genocide of the civilian population of Donbass.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2016 07: 26 New
    +2
    Another shaking of the air. Ukraine, even by signing any documents, will remain with its opinion and will do only what it wants. Therefore, it is a waste of time, or in other words, work for the Western political party.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 January 2016 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Another shaking of the air. Ukraine, even by signing any documents, will remain with its opinion and will do only what it wants.
      Ukraine itself has not solved anything for a long time - there is a manual control regime from the USA.
  11. 31rus
    31rus 14 January 2016 07: 40 New
    0
    Уважаемые,все эти "переговоры",не что иное как выполнение условий МВФ,для получения очередного транша,а не какое то прозрение,еще раз нужно менять и уже давно подход к проблеме Украина,а не отсиживаться в Москве,Грызлов не та фигура,способная на что то новое,тем более на какой то прорыв
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 14 January 2016 07: 59 New
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      Gryzlov is not a figure capable of something new, much less a breakthrough

      It's not about the figure. The figure is certainly good, the ex-minister of internal affairs, the ex-chairman of the State Duma.
      Решают не они,решают президенты России, США и теневые "кукловоды".
      Gryzlov did not come with his own idea, but with certain tasks set by the president.
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 14 January 2016 08: 13 New
    +2
    While the war is frozen, not until now. Yes, and what with such astronauts to negotiate, not for long yet.
  13. ssergn
    ssergn 14 January 2016 08: 28 New
    0
    But you will not deny that
    Quote: SAM 5
    blah blah show
    allowed the republics to live poorly for a poor year in the relative world.
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 14 January 2016 10: 34 New
      0
      Но и вечно это не может продолжаться. Или "худо-бедно" это их будущее?
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 14 January 2016 08: 31 New
    +1
    Now Ukraine insists on setting clear deadlines for the implementation of the provisions of the Minsk Protocols already in 2016. So write for Poroshenko = release before February 1, restore to February 15 .... only Petya again insists on peacekeepers. Oh well! And who will the UN send? The support from Europe is not the same as before. And anyway ... did you know that
    The district court in Kiev will determine whether Ukraine is at war with Russia
    The Shevchenkovsky District Court of Kiev granted the request of the human rights activist, project manager of the Open Court Stanislav Batrin to bring to the process, which deals with the legal recognition of the "invasion" of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, interested parties - the Russian Federation represented by its embassy in Ukraine and the President of Ukraine represented by representatives of his administration.
    “The result of today's meeting was that the court brought to this case the Russian Federation represented by the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, as well as the President of Ukraine,” Batrin told reporters at the end of the court hearing on Wednesday, January 13, in Kiev.
    The human rights activist noted that it was these legal entities (the Russian Embassy in Ukraine and the President of Ukraine represented by the Ukrainian Administrative Court - Ed.) That “will answer direct questions at the hearing: are we conducting an anti-terrorist operation today or are we having a war today”.
    According to Batrin, the case is of fundamental importance, "since today the only legitimate body in Ukraine that can establish this fact is the court, and this is a decision that will be recognized by all countries of the world."
    The hearing is attended by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine.
    As Batrin said, the case has been heard for more than a year and about ten meetings have been held.
    “This case has been considered by the courts of Ukraine for more than a year. And I want to remind you that the Shevchenkovsky District Court twice refused to open a case on this case.
    We won twice in appeals and forced the court to start considering this case, ”he said.
    Judge of the Shevchenkovsky district court of the city of Kiev Olga Yuzkova announced a break. The meeting on Wednesday, 13 of January, will not take place.
  15. aba
    aba 14 January 2016 08: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    . suppose everything calmed down and Kiev became to the Crimea. And what will change? Will they call us aggressors louder? Or are we not just cursed, but cursed invaders?

    .

    Word for word about what I wanted to ask! Plus! wink
  16. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 14 January 2016 08: 58 New
    0
    Quote: chikenous59
    In my opinion, the situation is such that the Minsk agreements without an ultimatum will not be implemented in Kiev, without a military ultimatum, but due to Kiev's dependence on the United States, the situation is somewhat complicated. Again, you have to negotiate with the United States, and all these Minsk agreements are shows for the people.

    I agree that the show, but I am for the show thanks to which people do not die.
  17. JonnyT
    JonnyT 14 January 2016 09: 12 New
    +1
    Traders are traded, and people are dying and getting poorer.

    The idea of ​​Novorosia is primarily dangerous for the ruling business elite in Russia. Therefore, these guys will mix everything with shit.

    П.с. Общаясь в людьми, на совести которых война, смерть и разрушения в доброжелательно- компромиссном ключе, российские представители рискуют "испачкаться". Медленно, но верно вина на "недомир" и минское издевательство ляжет и на Россию
  18. Asian
    Asian 14 January 2016 09: 17 New
    0
    А мне кажется, что выигрывается время для того, что бы население Украины перешло от скачек на майданах и задумалось о своём житие-бытие. И этому "кажется" есть подтверждения, если внимательно почитать и послушать содержание и тональность всяческих мероприятий с участием украинских деятелей. Фига ли нам что-то делать с Украиной (на Украине) если общественное мнение, сознание, пока ещё явно не на нашей стороне и мыслит бандеровскими категориями. Вот как-то так.
    So everything is moving in the right direction.
  19. Zheka40
    Zheka40 14 January 2016 09: 21 New
    0
    A breakthrough breakthrough !!! (push the water in the mortar)
  20. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 14 January 2016 09: 29 New
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    Declarative negotiations, which are especially meaningless, so neither GDP nor anyone else significant went there. They sent a permanent member of the Security Council (it seems to be in the know and has something to do with it), but not a state policy, so that if they didn’t catch that language.
  21. rus-5819
    rus-5819 14 January 2016 10: 40 New
    0
    Ukraine insists: without a cease-fire, neither mine clearance, nor a normal solution of political, humanitarian and economic issues is possible. That is why Ukraine supports another initiative of the representative of Russia Boris Gryzlov to declare a regime of silence, which should begin immediately.

    Ну так в чём дело? Съездите, попросите карателей "заткнуться"
    Думается, что они (каратели) "олифер в кучму" быстро засунут.
  22. Irinaspb
    Irinaspb 14 January 2016 10: 40 New
    0
    All these Minsk agreements are full of bullshit. Poroshenko and Co. will pull the rubber. What are they doing. The plus is that the shelling has become less. BCH is hoping for an offensive. They do not want to be part of Ukraine, under any sauce. Only now this hope is melting every day. And people die anyway.
  23. Baloo
    Baloo 14 January 2016 11: 31 New
    0
    Kiev, declaring the process of restoration of railways and power supply systems, continues to carry out the economic blockade of Donbass.

    We talked, extended ... the guns fell silent? Blockade lifted? Prisoners returned? What is stopping or who? FSA ambassador rules. angry
  24. tux
    tux 14 January 2016 13: 17 New
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    Donbass did not want to break the Bandera and format Ukraine for themselves

    This is not a fact. There was no official statement.