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Long-range aviation will receive new tankers

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The new Il-96TZ tankers (based on the Il-96-400) will go into service with the Far aviationnewspaper reports MIC.


IL-96-400Т transport aircraft

“There were proposals to transfer the Il-96TZ to the Military Transport Aviation, but now it has been decided to transfer them to Long-Range Aviation,” said WTA Commander Viktor Benediktov.

In turn, the general director of JSC Aviation Complex. S.V. Ilyushin ”Sergey Velmozhkin explained that“ the contract with the Ministry of Defense has already been signed, but he has not yet passed the final stage ”.

“The contract is still at the stage of substantiating the use of the IL-96-400 as a basic tanker vehicle. We plan to conduct additional flights in order to prove the compatibility of our aircraft with Long-Range Aviation aircraft, ”he said.

The CEO noted that "IL-96TZ will be a" clean "tanker."

“We, of course, have an option with a lower placement of the tank, but the main option is a“ clean ”tanker with an upper placement of the tank. The new car wins quite a lot in terms of fuel efficiency on long-range lines. The machine is bigger and, accordingly, more opportunities, ”said Velmozhkin.
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  1. Vladislav
    Vladislav 13 January 2016 19: 05 New
    14
    It will be with the Bears around the ball to fly!
    1. Tor5
      Tor5 13 January 2016 19: 24 New
      +7
      Good deal!
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 14 January 2016 03: 44 New
        +1
        Finally!!! Oh, what will be ...
    2. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 13 January 2016 21: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladislav
      It will be with the Bears around the ball to fly!

      And swans)
      Should I give him some other name, an albatross for example?
      1. olegkrava
        olegkrava 14 January 2016 00: 12 New
        +1
        Albatross, this is L-39. Chekhov’s cadet machine was once taught.
        1. Don
          Don 14 January 2016 11: 00 New
          0
          The old man still serves faithfully and reliably. hi . True, they slowly began to replace them with their Yaks, but until the 20 of the year it will definitely serve.
  2. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 January 2016 19: 05 New
    15
    Finally, Russia is not only restoring its aviation industry and powerful flexible forces. Such work should be carried out systematically and very thoughtfully, without fuss and without delay. Then it will give a great result.
    1. aleksfill
      aleksfill 13 January 2016 21: 35 New
      12
      It would be nice for these beauties to return to Aeroflot.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 13 January 2016 21: 44 New
        +4
        With 4 motors, only under state subsidies. But the country is in crisis.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 13 January 2016 21: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: samoletil18
          With 4 motors, only under state subsidies. But the country is in crisis.

          By the way, at a press conference, Putin was asked the question about resuming the production of IL-96, it’s a pity he left the answer. Meanwhile, there is something to talk about.
          Last time we talked about why Russia needs IL-96 and why it needs to be produced, even if it will be worse than competitors.
          Now I bring to your attention the options in which the IL-96 can successfully compete with modern Boeing and Airbus (even when the ruble returns to the pre-crisis level).
          Read more here:
          http://aviator.guru/blog/43518538516/Konkurentosposobnyie-variantyi-Il-96?tmd=1
          1. clidon
            clidon 13 January 2016 22: 11 New
            -10
            What can he say? The answer that the narmass doesn't like is image makers do not recommend ...
            IL-96 - a corpse that is supported only for the life of the plant. Moreover, the corpse is not new, but large and very respectable and sovereign. Which no one will remodel now - no one has such expensive toys, and even more so now there will be no money. Therefore, they will buy slowly, slowly, in order to maintain the team.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 13 January 2016 22: 26 New
              +5
              96th Ilyusha, quite a competitive product.
              And here, of course, the question is about import substitution tales, if we can’t produce the finished goods in the proper volumes, then what kind of innovation can we talk about? request
              And whether we will have Wings of the Motherland in the future, this is a big question.
              1. clidon
                clidon 13 January 2016 22: 37 New
                -5
                Ilyusha was not a competitive product before why would he suddenly (and for what money) suddenly become one in the future? And now they began to recognize this, although they were shy before.

                Not well, if you want to believe in fairy tales, then why not? You can draw a dozen versions of these machines. You can write petitions and appeals ..

                As for the wings, the path is already there and although it is not so interesting, but you have to go along it - this is the MC-21. This is despite the fact that it does not seem to me in pink. Like the PD-14.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 13 January 2016 23: 07 New
                  +5
                  And by what, in fact, parameters is the 96th not competitive?
                  On the MS-ke there are soooooooo many questions, I would like to lay out a correspondence with our colleague and his story about Irkut, but you know ethics .... He wants to lay it out himself.
                  And about the wings from Taganrog, also Temko interesting.
                  I also say that due to the finished 96th, you can try to stretch the aviation industry, although ...
                  What do we have today? IL-76? supper-supper-jet is even funny to consider and MS-ku is not flying yet ...
                  1. avt
                    avt 14 January 2016 10: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    What do we have today? IL-76? supper-supper-jet is even funny to consider and MS-ku is not flying yet ...

                    Whose flight has already been rescheduled
                    Flight tests of the promising Russian narrow-body aircraft MS-21-300 will begin closer to the end of 2016, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said in an interview with TASS. Until now, it was reported that the first flight of the prototype of the new aircraft should be completed in the II quarter of next year.

                    According to Manturov, along with flight tests, the rollout of the MS-21 had to be postponed. Until recently, it was planned that it will take place before the end of 2015. Now it is assumed that the aircraft will be shown to the public in the middle of next year.
                    And his competitors in the market are ALREADY in the air ......
                  2. clidon
                    clidon 14 January 2016 16: 19 New
                    -5
                    He eats a lot with his 4 engines, does not have a normal service base, the “board” is outdated on it, he is not popular in the world. Actually its sales speak for themselves.
                    Due to the aircraft in its current form, no stretching will work. As well as by pulling the Tu-204. And no one will invest in its radical modernization.
                    1. dustycat
                      dustycat 16 January 2016 16: 08 New
                      +1
                      In the world he is not popular just as reluctantly will be to lend his leasing as it has to be with Airbases and Boeings.
                      The "popularity" of airbases and Boeings is kept purely due to state support for their leasing.
                      Technically, the maintenance of IL96 is much more economical than Boeing and Airbus.
                      What Il96 lacked was reliable and economical engines.
                      But this issue was decided by the support of Perm and Rybinsk motors, which were ditched for the sake of support by orders of Zaporozhye and Motorsich.
                      There is a huge niche of orders for freight transportation - the same Il76, An125, An225 are not without work, although the motors are the same.
                      There would be support for the modernization of engines and avionics for the Il96 and a sales market would be provided to him.
                      And now so far only in tankers. The market situation is not the same.
                      So at least it will be possible to save personnel and production until better times.
                2. Just BB
                  Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 38 New
                  +4
                  MS-21 is 5000 km of 80-120 passengers.
                  IL-96 (today) 10 km to 000 passengers.
                  Different "berries", -
                  and which is characteristic: for Russia we need analogues from Yak-18t to An-124 - the country is big and you can’t build roads everywhere
            2. Mayday1981
              Mayday1981 13 January 2016 22: 28 New
              +2
              Putin did not shy away from the answer, but said the right thing — with the old IL-96 engines — is uncompetitive. And he said about the PD-14 family.
              1. clidon
                clidon 13 January 2016 22: 33 New
                -3
                Of course. And on new it will not be. Even when they appear real.
              2. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 13 January 2016 22: 35 New
                +1
                Follow the link, everything is written there, copy-paste here does not make sense.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 14 January 2016 16: 20 New
                  -2
                  Can you explain better who should pay for this beauty? With a sequestration budget.
              3. The comment was deleted.
              4. sandrmur76
                sandrmur76 14 January 2016 06: 11 New
                0
                So I look that attention is focused on the PD-14 engine. But there are in the NK-93 bins! Nothing is clear on it. It seems that they’re better than foreign ones crying
                1. Just BB
                  Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 29 New
                  0
                  So PD is a "promising engine", and NK is already in the "warehouse"
                  What a "perspective" good in the prospective - they drank and drank, and then "or donkey, or sultan"
                  "Well, it didn’t work, but we tried."
            3. Orionvit
              Orionvit 16 January 2016 12: 46 New
              0
              The fact of the matter is that competitors from Boeing and Airbus buried it, saying tales about noise, inefficiency and so on. They introduced a ban on unilateral flights of IL-96. We know that everything that the West does in relation to Russia is always to its detriment, and the goals are always pursued not only economic, but also mainly political and ideological. A simple example. The West declared the IL-96 a bad plane, and in Russia there were quite a few followers who, without understanding anything in aviation, blindly repeat this conclusion as a mantra. The conclusion is, Listen to what the West says, and do the opposite. So what IL-96 to be.
        2. olegkrava
          olegkrava 14 January 2016 00: 17 New
          +3
          Ours with 4 engines are more economical than boogie with 2. Checked.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 16 January 2016 13: 01 New
            0
            Maybe I'm wrong, but as I recall the standard for long-haul passenger aircraft in the west, these are at least 3 engines. Recall the itorium with the TU-104 and its 2 engines, back in the fifties. It was necessary for Western buyers to make a modification of the TU-50 with 104 engines. When is it interesting that standards have changed? And now nothing, Airbus and Boeing fly with two across the ocean and nothing. Or can they?
          2. looker-on
            looker-on 16 January 2016 14: 05 New
            0
            Dear Oleg, And what is “verified”? Can I have a tablet or a link to the analysis of profitability? While there is no real data from a good source - "checked" is zero with zero.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 16 January 2016 16: 20 New
              0
              When they talk about the "gluttony" of Russian aircraft, they somehow forget that the route speed of Russian and import is very different.
              For example, the nose of the Tu134, always “torn off by the clouds”.
              The same Tu154 at a cruising speed of a single-class airbus or Boeing burn less.
              Rummage in the local archives - it was.
              And what about the “volatility” of the Tu204, which “holds the train in the tail” and because of which it has problems landing?
              So you need to compare correctly.
            2. dustycat
              dustycat 16 January 2016 16: 20 New
              0
              When they talk about the "gluttony" of Russian aircraft, they somehow forget that the route speed of Russian and import is very different.
              For example, the nose of the Tu134, always “torn off by the clouds”.
              The same Tu154 at a cruising speed of a single-class airbus or Boeing burn less.
              Rummage in the local archives - it was.
              And what about the “volatility” of the Tu204, which “holds the train in the tail” and because of which it has problems landing?
              So you need to compare correctly.
            3. olegkrava
              olegkrava 16 January 2016 22: 11 New
              0
              Search the net and find that with almost the same fuel load after a flight from Russia, yes, as they are best called, well, I see! The airbus has almost zero, and ours has another 4 hours of flight. Something like this.
        3. Just BB
          Just BB 14 January 2016 05: 20 New
          0
          And not "dumb" with two 12 hours in the air and sometimes half the time hanging over the water?
          300 people on board!
          Or for the sake of shredded paper?
          Just don’t need about “AB” and “Boeing” with two, they say they fly - the owners don’t fly at them, but “the Sheriff’s Indians don’t care!
          PS: V-747 has not been removed from operation yet
        4. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 55 New
          0
          The new PD14 will be attached, ironed and will come off without subsidies.
          Maybe less will be needed.
          And relatives yes, rubbish.
        5. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 55 New
          0
          The new PD14 will be attached, ironed and will come off without subsidies.
          Maybe less will be needed.
          And relatives yes, rubbish.
      2. olegkrava
        olegkrava 14 January 2016 00: 16 New
        0
        Ours with 4 engines are more economical than boogie with 2. Checked.
      3. valokordin
        valokordin 14 January 2016 06: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: aleksfill
        It would be nice for these beauties to return to Aeroflot.

        But what about Poghosyan and Mandurov, what will happen to Boeing and watermelons. Just some sadness.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 13 January 2016 19: 06 New
    13
    great news. more such bright news. excellent car il96tz
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 13 January 2016 21: 08 New
      +7
      great news. more such bright news. excellent car il96tz
      Beautiful plane
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 13 January 2016 21: 12 New
        +4
        Handsome plane
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 13 January 2016 19: 06 New
    0
    I might have missed something, but what is the IL-96-400 currently being manufactured in Russia?
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 13 January 2016 19: 12 New
      +8
      For Atlant-Soyuz, a long time ago one or two Ila (400 x) was made for testing, but the company refused or went bankrupt and were left out of work, and now it’s kind of like they decided to put them into business.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 14 January 2016 00: 02 New
        +5
        I apologize for the plan of the year 15 ... The construction of two Il-96-300 aircraft under a contract with JSC UAC and the conversion of the IL-96-400 aircraft into a VPU version under a contract with IFC OJSC will continue. It is also planned to convert the IL-96-400 aircraft into the VVIP version according to the contract with UAC OJSC to the Ministry of Defense (RA-96102).
        One of the priority areas of the production program of JSC "VASO" today is the program for the production of wide-body airliners Il-96. According to preliminary plans, by 2024, the plant should build and transfer to customers 14 IL-96 aircraft. Firm contracts were signed on the first 4 sides.
        1. Sling
          Sling 14 January 2016 19: 12 New
          +1
          God forbid !!!
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 13 January 2016 19: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      I might have missed something, but what is the IL-96-400 currently being manufactured in Russia?

      In the cargo version there is one. Voronezh airline "Flight" belongs. In the photo to the article - just him.
      1. Mayday1981
        Mayday1981 13 January 2016 22: 29 New
        0
        I watched one of them - for several days stood on the platform in Nizhnevartovsk.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 13 January 2016 19: 49 New
      +3
      From the availability they want to take. They are zero-handed refuseniks. And they want them.
    4. avt
      avt 13 January 2016 19: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      I might have missed something, but what is the IL-96-400 currently being manufactured in Russia?

      Quote: Ami du peuple
      In the cargo version there is one. Voronezh airline "Flight" belongs.
      In total, four such aircraft were built, three of which were operated until 2013 at the Polet airline, which ceased operations.
      . Two of the existing aircraft of this type are being converted into an IL-96-400VPU air control center, the first is ready. Two more aircraft will be converted into Il-96-400TZ tankers.
      As for the passenger, then
      The Ilyushin company plans to develop a new passenger modification of the IL-96 wide-body aircraft. “We are coming up with an initiative proposal to launch a passenger aircraft based on the IL-96-400,” said the company’s director general Sergey Velmozhkin on January 13.
      Well
      Representatives of Ilyushin say that in terms of fuel efficiency this four-engine aircraft will be at the level of its Western counterparts. It will be possible to make a twin-engine machine out of IL-96 if an engine with 32–35 tons of thrust is developed in Russia, the company emphasized.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 13 January 2016 20: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: avt
        In total, four such aircraft were built, three of which were operated until 2013 at the Polet airline, which ceased operations.

        Well, yes, it seems like at the end of 2014, "Flight" is really deprived of a flight certificate, but this summer, the sides in their corporate coloring very well took off and landed over my dacha smile
      2. family
        family tree 13 January 2016 20: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        avt

        Thank you for the explanatory explanation hi
        And I’ve already thought of mnu re ..., this, the forerunner of a meeting with affectionate, polar, full, furry. Passenger and presidential kerosene carries. Although a lot will fit what
        1. avt
          avt 13 January 2016 21: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: perepilka
          And I’ve already thought of mnu re ..., this, the forerunner of a meeting with affectionate, polar, full, furry.

          Yes, to health, but the passenger campaign is in question - there is no money.
          For the passenger version, some components of the IL-96-400 will be modernized, but the aircraft will retain the current PS-90 engines. At the same time, the issue of using new PD-14 engines on this modification is being considered,
          Well, in the light of the enthusiastic statements of GDP towards the 14th engine creators who created it.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 13 January 2016 21: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: avt
            Well, in the light of the enthusiastic statements of GDP towards the 14th engine creators who created it.

            Here is such a car
  5. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 13 January 2016 19: 06 New
    46
    I repeat!
    With reading such news, I understand that I’m ready for years to hunch back in the garden and eat only what I can grow, but the army should be dressed, fed, trained, equipped and sent to inspire everyone who shows at least the slightest signs of maloperation.
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 13 January 2016 19: 59 New
      18
      Quote: Mihalich17
      I repeat!
      With reading such news, I understand that I’m ready for years to hunch back in the garden and eat only what I can grow, but the army should be dressed, fed, trained, equipped and sent to inspire everyone who shows at least the slightest signs of maloperation.

      Alexander! I completely agree with you, and I’ll add that now is not the time for the gardens, but at the factories we are plowing as usual, and some of them all say that everything is standing, it’s not true. And in the spring we’ll go to the garden. hi
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 13 January 2016 20: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Mihalich17
      I repeat!
      With reading such news, I understand that I’m ready for years to hunch back in the garden and eat only what I can grow, but the army should be dressed, fed, trained, equipped and sent to inspire everyone who shows at least the slightest signs of maloperation.

      At the moment, our military-industrial complex is actively breaking ties with Antonov’s design bureau, trying to switch to everything domestic, so that there would be no further problems. And the transport operator is also developing Ilyushin’s design bureau in order to replace Ruslana.
      1. Kite
        Kite 13 January 2016 20: 39 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        At the moment, our defense industry vomits heavily with Antonov Design Bureau

        - an interesting interpretation! And Antonov’s design bureau clings with what it can only? what
        But are Ruslans not doing in Ulyanovsk?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 13 January 2016 20: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: Kite
          - an interesting interpretation! And Antonov’s design bureau clings with what it can only?

          And where are the components for the same Ruslans? M. I’m talking about, dear, that our aviation industry is trying to switch to everything domestic, so as not to depend on anyone. This is a kind of aviation sovereignty, if you like.
          1. avt
            avt 13 January 2016 21: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Kite
            But are Ruslans not doing in Ulyanovsk?

            Quote: NEXUS
            I’m talking about, my dear, that our aviation industry is trying to switch to everything domestic, so as not to depend on anyone. This is a kind of aviation sovereignty, if you like.

            According to An-124, it seems like the main problem in engines with Motor Sich, I heard that the NK-92 in the USSR was competing with the Tu-160, but now it’s kind of like the NK-93, but .... it’s not shorter.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 13 January 2016 21: 27 New
              +5
              Quote: avt
              According to An-124, it seems like the main problem in engines with Motor Sich, I heard that the NK-92 in the USSR was competing with the Tu-160, but now it’s kind of like the NK-93, but .... it’s not shorter.

              According to TU-160M, there really are problems with the engine ...
              “In Soviet times, almost 100 enterprises produced components for the engine,” he said. - Now half of them are located outside the territory of Russia or have not existed for a long time. Therefore, we are forced to master the production of some components and assemblies ourselves. For example, now we are setting up the most complicated production of combustion chambers - until recently, they were made by the Samara Metalist, who now refused to sign a contract for these chambers.

              According to him, the plant has already invested almost 500 million rubles in the purchase of new equipment necessary for the production of parts for engines. This money was received in due time as an advance payment for the overhaul of engines. Moreover, the bulk of the money was given to the plant in the form of a state loan, which has yet to be repaid.




              And on IL-96 the next info ...
              The IL-96-400T aircraft is a cargo modification of the IL-96-300, developed taking into account the wishes of the airlines and corresponding to all modern domestic and world requirements. The fuselage length of the Il-96-400T is increased by 9,6 m compared to the Il-96-300 base aircraft. It installed domestic equipment, including four PS-90A1 turbofan engines with a thrust of 17,4 tons each.
              1. Just BB
                Just BB 14 January 2016 05: 48 New
                +2
                For example, now we are setting up the most complicated production of combustion chambers - until recently, they made
                Samara "Metalist"
                who now refused to sign a contract for these cameras.


                "Tovarisch", probably wanted to say no "Metalist" (guys mainly engaged in aviation weapons at one time), and "Metallurgist" - these are really metal for aviation and space poured.
                But alas, by a strange coincidence, this plant with "all the guts" (documentation and technology) belongs to AMERICAN ALCOA - will they do combustion chambers for you - AHA. fool
                Rental for beer cans am
    3. Don
      Don 14 January 2016 11: 13 New
      -1
      As life shows, the vast majority of residents of villages and villages, as well as small and medium-sized cities agree with you, but in big cities, citizens are more concerned about the content of their own pockets, rather than the security of the state.
  6. Egevich
    Egevich 13 January 2016 19: 07 New
    10
    - Good, oh dear ...
    I'm not god ...
    - all the same, good ...
  7. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 19: 08 New
    +2
    TTX at least showed. Why is it better than IL 78.
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 13 January 2016 19: 14 New
      10
      I will not hit hard on the topic, but on the main characteristics .... higher cruising speed, flight range and 35% more fuel on board.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 13 January 2016 19: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: jaguar
        I will not hit hard on the topic but

        BUT, apparently decided at the top and the company "IL" (Voronezh) to allocate a little money. On the "Presidential" sides it is impossible to survive. And most likely it is necessary. It was easy to break up the Aviacomplex, and now it’s difficult to recreate it, but this was the first necessity!
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 13 January 2016 21: 15 New
          +3
          And probably to save experience in the construction of wide-body aircraft
    2. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 13 January 2016 19: 14 New
      +2
      A similar question.
      Why, then, not to flush some Il-78MD-90A?
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 13 January 2016 19: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Sukhoi
        A similar question.
        Why, then, not to flush some Il-78MD-90A?

        Yes, they will probably be based on the IL-76 TK, only for YES they will be based on the 96th. YES fly far and take a lot of fuel on board, and for them it will be on the basis of the 96th, and for fighters, front-line bombers such as some IL-78 MD-90A.
      2. KnightRider
        KnightRider 13 January 2016 22: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Sukhoi
        A similar question.
        Why, then, not to flush some Il-78MD-90A?

        Already "sawed" IL-78M-90A on Aviastar soldier This year the first one will be "raised", and by the end of the year, maybe the second. Plus a couple of new IL-76MD-90A transporters (at least)
        In the photo, the outer board (01-08) transferred to the BTA under the "Christmas tree"
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 19: 40 New
      12
      The base IL-96-400T has a flight range with a maximum payload of 58 tons - 10000 km.
      The IL-76MD-90A has a flight range with a load of 60 tons - 4000 km.
      Nice difference, huh? wink

      The United States also has 2 types of tankers - the medium KC-135 based on the Boeing 367-80 (prototype Boeing 707) and the large KC-10 based on the McDonnell Douglas DC-10.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 13 January 2016 21: 32 New
        +1
        Strategic and Tactical TK
    4. Iline
      Iline 13 January 2016 20: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      TTX at least showed. Why is it better than IL 78.

      The fact that the IL-78 was released in Tashkent and they are already very many years old. Yes, and one regiment of aircraft - refueling in Diaghilevo for the needs of even YES is not enough. Not to mention the needs of the Air Force (ugh, I’m not getting used to VKS).
  8. red_october
    red_october 13 January 2016 19: 08 New
    +3

    Well done, all important! Each combat unit matters, the faster - the better.

    Moreover, ready-made aircraft, there is no need to design / build
  9. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 13 January 2016 19: 17 New
    +8
    Well, it's some kind of holiday! Ships are being modernized, tankers are being bought! Keep it up!:)
  10. mitrich
    mitrich 13 January 2016 19: 23 New
    +3
    Connoisseurs, announce the entire list: how many of these birds can be made in the next year or two? Not even necessary for YES, but in general. I hope not one more, to this one that is in the photo ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 13 January 2016 19: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: mitrich
      a year or two?

      No one! Unfortunately!
      1. emercom1979
        emercom1979 13 January 2016 20: 06 New
        +1
        If the order is, I think VASO will master how much is needed. Not all the slipways were cut and not all specialists were dispersed from production.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 14 January 2016 00: 11 New
          0
          not all specialists were dispersed, but many, many tried to kill the Poghosyan plant
  11. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 January 2016 19: 27 New
    0
    Well, when something real is done. This is not news from the category "Ukrainians unfurled the world's largest flag"
  12. Hauptam
    Hauptam 13 January 2016 19: 44 New
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    And how to unify the fleet? IL 76 is the basic machine for many types of vehicles. Training l / s is easier and those. Maintenance of the same type of equipment is simpler and cheaper.
    1. emercom1979
      emercom1979 13 January 2016 20: 08 New
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      And who said that the IL family is fundamentally different in maintenance.
  13. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 13 January 2016 19: 50 New
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    They make large domestic aircraft - it’s already good, then the aircraft industry
    lives and develops. And there you look at your own airliners, 100%
    our, live, not all superjets to be added.
  14. gergi
    gergi 13 January 2016 19: 54 New
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    This will dramatically increase the possibilities of YES. glad.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 13 January 2016 22: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: gergi
      This will dramatically increase the possibilities of YES. glad.

      Especially when restoring the air-to-air refueling system on the Tu-22M3.
  15. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 19: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    Well, it's some kind of holiday! Ships are being modernized, tankers are being bought! Keep it up!:)

    It should not be festive but everyday.
  16. FAM
    FAM 13 January 2016 20: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Finally, Russia is not only restoring its aviation industry and powerful flexible forces.

    While Gaddafi did not tear something, our rulers did not understand what awaited them. And now they are ready to fight for themselves.
  17. Pate
    Pate 13 January 2016 20: 03 New
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    And where will the IL-78 and IL-78M go?
  18. stonks
    stonks 13 January 2016 20: 04 New
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    Connoisseurs!
    Who will explain what the "upper" and "lower" tanks are?
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 13 January 2016 21: 20 New
      +1
      There is no such arrangement on the plane. It's kind of simpler ... slang (the location of the neck for refueling) .. for example, from the bottom or from the top of the wing
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 13 January 2016 21: 36 New
      +3
      The lower tanks under the floor with the ability to use the aircraft as well as a cargo or for transporting l / s, and the upper tanks in the cargo compartment and with conversion to a truck is a problem
      1. stonks
        stonks 14 January 2016 01: 49 New
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        Jaguar, Arik, thanks!
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 05 New
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        and with conversion to a truck a problem

        And why?
        I can imagine what will happen to the fuel equipment if it is installed back and forth a couple of times in aerodrome conditions (roughly: pull two railway tanks from an airplane, and then install them to transport a couple of boxes of some junk fool )
    3. Just BB
      Just BB 14 January 2016 05: 57 New
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      Not at the "experts", but at the "Mageners" you need to ask laughing
  19. aba
    aba 13 January 2016 20: 05 New
    +1
    But how beautiful is that ?! So it will fly well!;)
  20. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 20: 10 New
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    That would be to launch a tanker on the basis of AN 70.
    1. marshes
      marshes 13 January 2016 20: 16 New
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      Quote: Primus Pilus
      That would be to launch a tanker on the basis of AN 70.

      Che for the base? Turboprop?
      It would be better to give birth to the replacement of the AN-12.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 09 New
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        Che for the base? Turboprop?

        What does not suit theater?
        Him records speeds do not set, but by range - easily!
    2. Just BB
      Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 06 New
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      An - this is history! - Just study!
  21. GeorgeSev85
    GeorgeSev85 13 January 2016 20: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladislav
    It will be with the Bears around the ball to fly!

    And with Swans))
  22. Victor1
    Victor1 13 January 2016 20: 41 New
    +2
    I would like the IL96 to be reanimated for civil aviation, an excellent aircraft.
  23. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 13 January 2016 20: 55 New
    +3
    I remember how a government official (Deputy Prime Minister) stated that Russia does not need wide-body aircraft.
  24. 4ekist
    4ekist 13 January 2016 20: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Primus Pilus
    TTX at least showed. Why is it better than IL 78.

    Better that it flies higher, further, faster. In conjunction with the Tu-160 will blend well in the western hemisphere.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 14 January 2016 06: 21 New
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      combine in the western hemisphere.


      I advise you to review the film "Case Squared 36-80"
      This is me about how "adversary" refers to a similar action.
      So, by the way ... Refueling is carried out only over its territory, in the area covered by air defense. And you don’t have to go far, because the take-off weight is regulated by the fuel supply in favor of the payload.
      We refuel less, “more bombs”, take off, fill the full tanks and “alga!”
      "Legs, ... Wings! The main thing is x ..." kerosene supply!
  25. Stoler
    Stoler 13 January 2016 21: 24 New
    +1
    I do not know. request Vaso is still idle. request
  26. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 January 2016 21: 40 New
    +2
    GDP at least flies on IL-96, maybe I'm behind the times, so correct. And he said that he would fly only on Russian planes.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 13 January 2016 22: 22 New
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      Dear, alas, they say a lot, but do little, for example, they continue to break up and try to "quiet", although the example of the fleet and aviation has already shown that this crime will come, but it will be too late
    2. Don
      Don 14 January 2016 11: 28 New
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      Well, before our leaders also drove domestic cars, but now the supreme one - for some reason, on a gelding. I mean, of course, Il-96go will be enough for Putin, and the subsequent presidents will fly what if they finally turn off the production of the only domestic long-range aircraft, the question.
  27. atamankko
    atamankko 13 January 2016 22: 06 New
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    Big ship - long range.
  28. pv1005
    pv1005 13 January 2016 22: 06 New
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    "The contract with the Ministry of Defense has already been signed, but he has not yet entered the final stage."

    “The contract is still at the stage of substantiating the use of IL-96-400 as a base tanker machine. We plan to conduct additional flights to prove the compatibility of our aircraft with long-range aircraft

    But:
    - has he not yet entered the final stage ???
    - the contract is still at the stage of substantiation of the use of IL-96 ... ???
    - We plan to conduct additional flights to prove ... ???
    Explain to the "dumb" how they have not yet substantiated, have not yet proven but the supply contract has already been signed ??? Are they too controversial BUT? Well, I do not understand this. request
    I will be very glad if I am mistaken. hi
  29. pvv113
    pvv113 13 January 2016 23: 38 New
    +4
    The general director noted that "IL-96TZ will be a" clean "tanker"

    Today, the main refueling tank in the DA is IL-78. He has three fueling points. If necessary, the IL-78 was converted into a transport version. I often happened to fly on the IL-78, than on the IL-76. Beautiful car!
    On the photo: IL-78 in Diaghilevo near Ryazan
    1. family
      family tree 14 January 2016 00: 45 New
      +2
      Beautifully standing. what And the photograph, from which airplane was taken? what
      Although, what's the difference. Happy New Year, boyar! drinks
  30. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 14 January 2016 00: 59 New
    +5
    ..just add water...
    1989-th, the end of the year .. Flight: Lima-Havana-Gander-Shannon-Moscow.
    We fly to Gander on the 86 at night (Newfoundland) ..; a terrible storm with a lateral direction to the runway. The airport is closed for landing and departure (but fuel is already running out).
    The commander lands the plane in Russian, (the tires of the landing gear screech, confidently withstanding the lateral loads of the trough overloaded by the fishermen .. ((and we loaded them in full, with fish products)), and calmly announces: -Comrades, due to difficult weather conditions, we we can’t get out of the plane and get food to Shannon .; only kerosene. Stewardesses will share with you NZ.
    We saw the portholes as "detained" passengers at the airport met and escorted us at the windows.
    There was no limit to pride .. We worshiped Cap and Constructor ..!
    4 hours before Shannon, the smart stewardess spoiled us ...!
    И it there was only a prototype of 96 ...
    1. family
      family tree 14 January 2016 02: 36 New
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      Yourself there?
      Although the 69th on ava is enough for me. Happy trick drinks