Japan hurried to solve the problem of the "northern territories"

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Since the beginning of the year, Japanese politicians have attended to the conclusion of a peace treaty between Japan and Russia. 4 January this was announced by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. He described the abnormal situation when, at the end of the Second World War, because of disputes over the islands of the Kuril Ridge, a peace agreement was not signed between our countries. Abe insists on negotiations with Vladimir Putin to resolve controversial issues.

The dispute is seventy years old

A week later, the head of the ruling Japan Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), Masahiko Komura, joined the discussion. “After the end of the Second World War, 70 years have passed, and a peace treaty has not yet been signed between our countries. This is regrettable. Now in our countries there are strong leaders in power, and therefore we must take advantage of the situation and make efforts to conclude a peace treaty, ”said Komura on Monday at a meeting with the head of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Vladimir Pligin.

Strictly speaking, the essence of the dispute is only to conclude an agreement on Japanese conditions, that is, to return to them the so-called "northern territories" - the islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and a group of small islands with the general name Habomai (it includes the islands Yuri, Green, Tanfilyeva, Polonsky and Anuchin). All of these areas for a long history walked from Japan to Russia and back, until the results of the Second World War did not finally come under the jurisdiction of the USSR.

The affiliation of the islands to our country was not disputed until the 1951 year. According to the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences (these documents are signed by the leaders of the United States, Great Britain and the USSR), the condition for the Soviet Union’s participation in the war against militarist Japan was the return of South Sakhalin and the transfer of the Kuril Islands to it. The three great powers recorded this quite definitely and unequivocally. Later, the territorial changes of Japan will be reflected in the Surrender Act and Memorandum of the Allied Commander-in-Chief to the Japanese Imperial Government No. 677 of 29 in January 1946, in which all the islands north of the coast of Hokkaido, including Habomai and Shikotan, were excluded from the jurisdiction of Japan.

Fix post-war reality and the San Francisco Peace Treaty 1951 year. Japan will not only sign this document, but also ratify it, giving up "all rights, legal grounds and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and the adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty over the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5 of 1905 of the Year" .

Japan hurried to solve the problem of the "northern territories"


It would seem, everything is clear. However, under the San Francisco Treaty there is no signature of the Soviet Union. The peace agreement only matured six years after the war. By that time, the relations of the winning countries had completely deteriorated. Post-war confrontation began. The Soviet Union considered the treaty to be separate, because the representatives of the country most affected by the Japanese, China, were not allowed to attend the conference. In addition, according to the Soviet delegation, the document contained "white spots", did not take into account not only the interests of the Soviet Union and China, but also many countries of East, Southeast and South Asia, which militaristic Japan passed through the military rink.

The reason is serious, but not the main one. The Soviet Union did not sign the San Francisco Treaty, primarily because the text did not confirm the previously reached agreement that the USSR became the copyright holder of the Kuril Islands and southern Sakhalin with the adjacent islands, which Japan refused.

Experts agree that the sovereignty of the Soviet Union over the returned territories did not require binding in a peace treaty. The historian Boris Tkachenko, for example, writes: “Similarly (that is, without a peace treaty and in accordance with the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences) were transferred: to the possession of the USSR — Konigsberg with the adjacent area of ​​East Prussia; in possession of Poland - part of the territory of East Prussia and Danzig (Gdansk), Silesia and other areas of the right bank of the Oder and West Neis rivers; and in possession of Czechoslovakia - the Sudetenland. All of these territories belonged to Germany before the Second World War. ”

To understand this legal conflict, the Soviet Union and Japan decided only ten years after the war. In 1956, the Moscow Declaration of Peace was signed. After its ratification, our countries restored diplomatic relations and in fact ceased the state of war. The declaration outlined approaches to solving the territorial problem, but the Americans intervened.

Let us return once more to the works of the historian Boris Tkachenko. He writes: “US Secretary of State J. Dulles 19 August 1956, informed the Japanese foreign minister, S. Shigemitsu, in the event that“ if Japan recognizes the Soviet Union with full sovereignty over the Kurils, we will conclude that we are also entitled to full sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands "and" The United States can remain forever in Okinawa, and no Japanese government will remain in power. "

The Japanese want to play the war losses at the conference table

Since that time, Japan began to act on the orders of the Americans, to demand the return of the territories, now referred to as "northern." And very fascinated by the process. Even the day of the "northern territories" entered into her calendar. It coincided with the anniversary of the conclusion of the Simodsk agreement between Russia and Japan - February 7 (January 26 old style) 1855 of the year - and now recognizes the borders between our countries, written in the agreement of the last century.

The question - what the Japanese are so grabbed into these mostly desolate cliffs - has two unequal answers. First of all, the ocean waters near the Kuril Islands are rich in commercial fish, in which the islanders are interested. But this is not important. The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the samurai heirs. The spirit of the former empire and the memory of battles are still alive in them, when they thronged the Russian Empire on the Far Eastern frontiers.

From this arises self-confidence that the problem will be solved on Japanese terms. It was not by chance that the Japanese were actively involved in the sanctions pressure on Russia while talking about concluding a peace treaty and arrogantly hoped that, under the pressure of sanctions, the Russian President would visit Tokyo to discuss the territorial problem. Last May, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe talked about this publicly and even notified the American President of the invitation to visit Tokyo made by him to Vladimir Putin. The visit of the President of Russia was to be prepared by the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry, Fumio Kisida. He had already set out for Moscow, but canceled his trip because of a visit to the Kuril Islands by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

The demarche of the Japanese minister crossed out the previous work of the diplomats, but he demonstrated Tokyo’s intention to solve the problem with strong negotiating positions. At least that's how the Japanese saw it. They were confident in their economy, and now they pulled up the capabilities of the armed forces.

After the war, the United States took the Japanese under a protective umbrella. In September, 1951 of the year in San Francisco, Japan and the United States signed the “Security Treaty” on military alliance and cooperation. This document gave the Americans the exclusive rights to deploy their military forces in Japan, and any attack on Japan has since been considered an attack on US forces.

The doctrine has changed over the years, without affecting the essence of the treaty. In 1989, the United States called Japan "the main ally of the United States outside NATO." The possibilities of the islanders themselves were limited by national defense forces, whose actions outside the borders of the country were forbidden by the post-war constitution.

Japan overcame this ban only last fall, when its parliament allowed the Self-Defense Forces to be used to participate in military conflicts abroad. The decision was driven through by “strong leader” Shinzo Abe. There were objective reasons for this. Over the years, the Self-Defense Forces have grown to the size of the tenth army in the world. On the islands, they are already becoming cramped.

The Japanese were equipped with the latest armored vehicles and aviationbuilt a powerful modern fleet. It consists of two dozen submarines, about forty destroyers, including those with a displacement of 5000 tons. Three helicopter carriers were commissioned. The last time the Japanese fleet received such a ship last March. This is the Izumo destroyer helicopter carrier, which is close in capabilities to the French Mistrals advertised here. The Japanese fleet is waiting for another ship of this class by 2017.

One can only guess: where is this armada aimed, capable of transferring up to two thousand paratroopers with weapons under cover of fifty helicopters? Meanwhile, the Japanese are investing in the army all the new money. At 2015, the year has set a record military budget for the country, exceeding 42 billion US dollars. In a word, the demarches of Japanese politicians are built not only on national ambitions, but also on the country's military capabilities.

Now, after last year’s pause, the Japanese were in a hurry. They are looking for contacts with Russian politicians, make statements about readiness to conclude a peace treaty. Experts link this activity with the success of Russia in rearmament, which the world clearly felt last year. Despite the crisis, the pace of this rearmament is only increasing. So, the position of Russia in the world will only strengthen. Therefore, the Japanese are in a hurry with proposals to conclude a peace treaty between the countries.

Does Russia need him? Most likely no. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have got out of Tokyo. Japan also does not need peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only “northern territories” - that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them, it is a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet talk of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
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  1. +142
    14 January 2016 06: 31
    The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the heirs of the samurai. The spirit of the former empire is still alive in them.

    Some strange "imperial spirit", is not it? They demand four rocks in the ocean, but put up with the deployment of occupying troops on their territory.
    1. +41
      14 January 2016 06: 43
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the heirs of the samurai. The spirit of the former empire is still alive in them.

      Some strange "imperial spirit", is not it? They demand four rocks in the ocean, but put up with the deployment of occupying troops on their territory.

      Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.
      1. +74
        14 January 2016 07: 57
        There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

        Rationale: genocide of the Ainu people, to whom the island belonged.

        Ainu did not conclude a peace treaty with Japan)))
        1. +27
          14 January 2016 08: 36
          on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and return Alaska and a couple of other states including California.
          1. +25
            14 January 2016 10: 49
            Quote: kumaxa
            on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and return Alaska and a couple of other states including California.

            Once California, San Francisco, a number of forts including Fort Ross belonged to Russia.
            1. -1
              16 January 2016 14: 43
              Part of California really was, when it was, Russian. It was with Fort Ross. But the Spaniards founded San Francisco and this district (and city) had nothing to do with Russia.
          2. +4
            15 January 2016 12: 08
            Everything has its time.
        2. Boos
          +10
          14 January 2016 11: 37
          You're right! And the whole "Japanese" culture was taken over from the Ainu people with white skin and beards.
        3. 0
          15 January 2016 18: 14
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

          Yes, so to speak a counter offer! And why, actually not!
      2. +34
        14 January 2016 11: 12
        Quote: chikenous59
        Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.

        There is another good phrase for trolling the Japanese:
        War cancels all treaties.
        (c) Komura Jutaro and Takahira Kogoro

        The fact is that when it comes to the ownership of the "northern territories", the Japanese are very fond of referring to the treaties on borders concluded before 1945 - even with the Russian Empire. So it is worth reminding them that at the Portsmouth negotiations in 1905, the Russian representative, Count Sergei Witte, trying to get St. Petersburg the rights to the island of Sakhalin, referred to the treaty of 1875, according to which Russia had already given Japan all the Kuril Islands for this land. The Japanese side's answer is given above.
        1. +6
          14 January 2016 18: 43
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Japanese response given

          This is the answer that Japan needs to answer: "War cancels ALL Treaties"!
      3. +2
        15 January 2016 13: 01
        Quote: chikenous59
        I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.


        And what is there to be offended. I have already spoken out about this. The war for Japan ended in surrender, or, more simply, in the loss of sovereignty. So, in principle, the so-called problem of the northern territories is not a problem of Japan, but a problem of the allies, in particular the USSR and the USA, which they solved in Yalta to mutual satisfaction. Moreover, I quote: The post-war reality is also recorded in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty. Japan will not only sign this document, but also ratify it, renouncing "all rights, legal grounds and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and adjacent islands, the sovereignty over which Japan acquired under the Treaty of Portsmouth of September 5, 1905" ... Russia, as the legal successor, already uses everything that is ready-made, and Japan, of course, has nothing to do with it in this situation. And all these "northern territories" are just their wishes.

        Although, frankly, I don’t know how it is now, by the beginning of the XNUMXs our warriors, as temporary workers, had dirtied these Kuril Islands in such a way that the Japanese could only see such things after Fukushima.
      4. +2
        16 January 2016 13: 59
        Quote: chikenous59
        Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.

        They need to be reminded of another phrase. Moreover, the said, mind you, not us
        At the Portsmouth negotiations of the 1905 of the year, the Russian representative Count Sergey Witte, trying to claim the rights to Sakhalin for St. Petersburg, referred to the agreement of the 1875 of the year, according to which Russia had already given all the Kuril Islands to Japan for this land. But the Japanese negotiators Komura (小 村 壽 太郎) and Takahira (高平 小五郎) then told Witte: “War cancels all treaties.”

    2. +6
      14 January 2016 06: 56
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      A strange kind of "imperial spirit", is not it?

      Here we can only talk about the "imperial spirit" of a foreign empire, and the nationalist spirit (even in the Japanese religion) has been adopted by a completely different nation, which now rules on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.
      1. +28
        14 January 2016 07: 31
        Quote: venaya
        Here we can only talk about the "imperial spirit" of a foreign empire, and the nationalist spirit (even in the Japanese religion) has been adopted by a completely different nation, which now rules on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

        If you don’t understand that we are talking about Pacific Fleet access to the ocean. During the Second World War, Japan, at the request of Germany, closed the straits for the merchant fleet of the USSR, and taking into account the fact that Churchill refused to send convoys to Murmansk and Arkhangelsk before the polar nights in 1942 created problems Lend-Lease and supplying the USSR with the necessary equipment and materials. Here is a link to the material. http://www.redov.ru/istorija/serp_i_molot_protiv_samuraiskogo_m
        echa / p6.
        php # metkadoc7
    3. Pig
      +34
      14 January 2016 07: 40
      "four rocks in the ocean" is just the beginning ... and then there will be other islands and then they will remember about Sakhalin!
      as they say - give a finger, tear off your hand
      and it will also be a precedent that turns all post-war treaties into a piece of paper
      1. +2
        15 January 2016 22: 05
        I want to say, evolution, evolution, and the right of the strong is still there - as long as you have strong and developed military forces in the Russian Federation, the unity of citizens and strong pro-government power-the Russian Federation can put on the tricks of the Japanese and other types of lights of democracy. And God forbid RUSSIA FROM patriots such as the current government in Ukraine.
      2. 0
        16 January 2016 14: 47
        That's right. So you can’t save any volosts. You will start picking at birch bark letters and it turns out that Russia does not belong at all.
    4. +86
      14 January 2016 07: 55
      "Four rocks in the ocean" This is too understated. Even the Habomai group of islands is worthy of higher praise. In general, the South Kuril Islands are quite valuable for Russia:
      - here are the only non-freezing straits (the straits between the northern Kuril Islands freeze) that provide access to the Pacific Ocean through Russian territorial waters.
      - in the case of the transition of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, Russia will lose the ability to control the entry of foreign ships and submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is the combat service area of ​​strategic missile submarine cruisers of the Pacific Fleet.
      - The hydrocarbon reserves on the continental shelf are estimated at 1,6 billion tons of standard fuel (the newspaper provides calculations for 2004 - approx. Ed.). Gold resources on the islands are estimated at 1867 tons, silver - at 9284 tons, titanium - at 39,7 million tons, iron - at 273 million tons. There are steam hydrothermal deposits, deposits of polymetallic ores, 117 million tons of sulfur. At Iturup, the annual removal with gases of a rare rhenium metal, which is more expensive than gold, is 36 tons, which corresponds to its annual world consumption.
      - The total area of ​​the islands is 5 thousand square meters. km (it is five times smaller than the Crimea, but still a lot)
      - In the area of ​​these islands, an annual catch of 800 thousand tons of seafood is possible
      1. +17
        14 January 2016 11: 29
        EVERYTHING IS RIGHT! From a strategic point of view, these "four rocks in the ocean" are extremely important
      2. -46
        14 January 2016 17: 45
        And in Soviet times, the people on the islands had no time for shit, but now there is almost no one left! In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians! So why do we need the Kuriles ??? With such an "economic" attitude towards the territories, the zealous Japanese neighbors naturally want to have something before the Chinese "friends" have settled down to everything.
        1. +22
          14 January 2016 18: 02
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left!

          Quote: Starina_Hank
          So why do we need the Kuril Islands ???

          I do not understand the logic, since when is the value of a territory measured in the amount of its population?
          You will not believe us here, even in the overpopulated central region, in some forests for tens of kilometers, not a single settlement - maybe we will give up these forests too, if "no one lives in them"?
          By the way, Japan and its uninhabited islands also have plenty, and there are also uninhabited forests where there are not even a soul for tens of kilometers - in Japan, too, the population does not live evenly - but let Japan give us its uninhabited islands better if no one lives there! fellow
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians!

          True true?
          And on the Arabian Peninsula "guest workers" are many times more indigenous, and in Israel there are probably more citizens of other countries than citizens of Israel itself, look at the "problems" more broadly! hi
          1. -26
            14 January 2016 19: 27
            I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even by 10%, almost abandoned land. With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese, and the Japanese want to appropriate the Kuril Islands. And if you look more broadly, then after 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants can repeat itself with us.
            1. +18
              14 January 2016 20: 08
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              I popularly explain that we have a population density of about 8 people per square kilometer (with an "average" in the world of about 53) and given the tendency of modern society to urbanization, that is, to the most compact of this population living, we have an "abandoned" land with such the number will always be 90% percent.
              At the same time, let it be known to you, in many countries (including China) there are territories where the population density is even lower than in our Far East hi
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese

              The population density of the Primorsky Territory is 6 times higher than the population density of Mongolia, probably 12 times higher than the population density of Tibet and is more than the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region more than problematic for China.
              So everything is relative hi
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              and the Kuriles want to appropriate the Japanese.

              And in the USA they write that the Russians want to appropriate Alaska, and by the way, the density of Alaska is 25 times lower than the density of the Primorsky Territory - and another 10% of the population of Alaska is Russian! Take it? Everything is only FOR! fellow
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              in 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants may repeat itself with us.

              It cannot, unlike the EU, we have labor migrants, they go here to work and work.
            2. +14
              14 January 2016 20: 33
              Starina_Hank RU  Today, 19:27 ↑ New


              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              What is your business? If I have two apartments and I live in one, and the second is empty, then should I give it to a large neighbor?
              1. 0
                16 January 2016 14: 54
                Bravo! "I, I, Kemsk volost")) What all the good steel. About not giving your own.
            3. +2
              14 January 2016 20: 33
              Starina_Hank RU  Today, 19:27 ↑ New


              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              What is your business? If I have two apartments and I live in one, and the second is empty, then should I give it to a large neighbor?
          2. -16
            14 January 2016 19: 27
            I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even by 10%, almost abandoned land. With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese, and the Japanese want to appropriate the Kuril Islands. And if you look more broadly, then after 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants can repeat itself with us.
            1. +4
              15 January 2016 09: 41
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              Excuse me, what do you mean: 10% usage and what should 100% usage look like? There is a suspicion that you are making assumptions on articles from "Novaya i softa gazeta".
        2. +12
          14 January 2016 18: 16
          Have you ever been to Primorye at least once? There are fewer Chinese than in Moscow.
          1. -10
            14 January 2016 19: 35
            I willingly believe you! However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?
            1. +8
              14 January 2016 20: 17
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?

              And in the United States in New York, 30 times more Americans live than in all of Alaska, neighboring us - doesn’t this seem to them a problem?
              PS No, on the whole, I agree that we have few people living in the Urals compared with the European part - but there is no need to cause panic here, especially since the 20 million people living in Moscow will have nothing to do in Kamchatka or Sakhalin - and don’t you understand why ?!
            2. 0
              15 January 2016 15: 24
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?

              There are fewer Russians in Antraktida than in Moscow, and there are fewer on the Moon, and this is natural, so our capital is Moscow, and not the city of Krasnoplanetsk.
          2. -12
            14 January 2016 19: 35
            I willingly believe you! However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?
            1. +6
              14 January 2016 20: 44
              Well, go there and increase the percentage of the Russian population. Although I'm not sure about your nationality.
            2. +1
              14 January 2016 20: 44
              Well, go there and increase the percentage of the Russian population. Although I'm not sure about your nationality.
        3. +1
          15 January 2016 09: 39
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left!

          When was the last time you were there?
        4. +1
          15 January 2016 11: 08
          You can more precisely about the Chinese - I live in Primorye and own a question. I want an answer from you and where do you live, if not secret?
        5. -2
          15 January 2016 11: 22
          Be quiet, traitor! Fear, they will come soon for you. And you will go to southern Kolyma to get gold
        6. +4
          15 January 2016 14: 07
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          So why do we need the Kuril Islands ???


          Do you often polish your car? give it to me - I’ll treat her better! Yes
        7. +2
          15 January 2016 18: 06
          Kemska volost? - Yes, take it!
          - "What are you, your royal muzzle, squandering state land?" (from)
          The post above saw n
          This is why the Kuril Islands are for us:

          Quote: Griboedoff
          "Four rocks in the ocean" This is too understated. Even the Habomai group of islands is worthy of higher praise. In general, the South Kuril Islands are quite valuable for Russia:
          - here are the only non-freezing straits (the straits between the northern Kuril Islands freeze) that provide access to the Pacific Ocean through Russian territorial waters.
          - in the case of the transition of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, Russia will lose the ability to control the entry of foreign ships and submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is the combat service area of ​​strategic missile submarine cruisers of the Pacific Fleet.
          - The hydrocarbon reserves on the continental shelf are estimated at 1,6 billion tons of standard fuel (the newspaper provides calculations for 2004 - approx. Ed.). Gold resources on the islands are estimated at 1867 tons, silver - at 9284 tons, titanium - at 39,7 million tons, iron - at 273 million tons. There are steam hydrothermal deposits, deposits of polymetallic ores, 117 million tons of sulfur. At Iturup, the annual removal with gases of a rare rhenium metal, which is more expensive than gold, is 36 tons, which corresponds to its annual world consumption.
          - The total area of ​​the islands is 5 thousand square meters. km (it is five times smaller than the Crimea, but still a lot)
          - In the area of ​​these islands, an annual catch of 800 thousand tons of seafood is possible
      3. -16
        14 January 2016 17: 45
        And in Soviet times, the people on the islands had no time for shit, but now there is almost no one left! In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians! So why do we need the Kuriles ??? With such an "economic" attitude towards the territories, the zealous Japanese neighbors naturally want to have something before the Chinese "friends" have settled down to everything.
    5. +6
      14 January 2016 08: 28
      and that is true. the Yankees, through japs, once again want to bother our nerves. the contract is an agreement The Yankees themselves signed it.
    6. +10
      14 January 2016 09: 20
      “On August 19, 1956, US Secretary of State J. Dulles informed the Japanese Foreign Minister S. Shigemitsu that if“ Japan recognizes the Soviet Union full sovereignty over the Kuril Islands, we will conclude that we also have the right to full sovereignty over the islands Ryukyu ”and“ The United States can forever remain in Okinawa, and not a single Japanese government can hold on to power. ”

      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Some strange "imperial spirit", is not it? They demand four rocks in the ocean, but put up with the deployment of occupying troops on their territory.

      And again, we are faced with an artificially created, "overseas partners", a situation of frozen conflict to deter the Japanese from cooperation with Russia. We even offered them: give us two islands - two for you, but they require all four. It means they will get a donut hole until they understand simple things.
      For some reason, the author did not write that the Kuril Islands have important military-strategic and economic significance for Russia. In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, besides, there are strategic submarines of Russia, and through the Kuril Islands access to the Pacific Ocean, therefore, the minke whales drove the Japanese into this trap, and they were led and are still being carried on.
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    7. +16
      14 January 2016 09: 21
      "Four rocks in the ocean" are equal in area to the Netherlands. Iturup is not as small as it seems from the European part of Russia
      1. +4
        14 January 2016 09: 58
        Inurup is slightly larger than Luxembourg or 1% of the area of ​​the Japanese islands.
        Sense to give these islands, I do not see. Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.
        1. +2
          14 January 2016 16: 15
          Quote: ism_ek
          Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.

          A vassal is a vassal, but does the US admit that they are "customers" of the claim fellow
      2. +5
        14 January 2016 13: 06
        Quote: Edvagan
        Iturup is not as small as it seems from the European part of Russia

        I absolutely agree

        Quote: Edvagan
        Four rocks in the ocean "equal in area to the Netherlands

        And here you are bent maltz (at least if you meant the land area):
        area of ​​the Netherlands - 41 528 km²
        the area of ​​the South Kuril Islands is about 5 km², which, in general, is also a lot
    8. +3
      14 January 2016 10: 14
      ... but somehow the same explanations do not even come out more convincing for the fifth time))) .... there are many Japanese on the islands, there are also Chinese nearby .... and they don’t like each other even more than us, here we are probably it’s not worth it ... well, that everyone knows different international treaties)))
      1. +2
        15 January 2016 20: 38
        Quote: KIND
        ... but somehow the same explanations do not even come out more convincing for the fifth time))) .... there are many Japanese on the islands, there are also Chinese nearby .... and they don’t like each other even more than us, here we are probably it’s not worth it ... well, that everyone knows different international treaties)))

        Do not forget one more "non-lovers" -Sev.Koreyu.
        There, in general, a "club of neutrality armed to the teeth" has formed. And everyone dreams of playing neighbors against each other.
        The Japanese forces, the military, of course, built up great forces. But they were not lucky with their territory. The country is scattered on the islands, it’s not particularly maneuvering, there are no land borders with us, a sudden landing operation will not work. And landing today can go unpunished only Antarctica.
        In my opinion, this will be a long time. All these tantrums are already included in the election promises of every Prime Minister and Minister of Japan. Well, in Russia you should not even pay attention to these cries. In general, any negotiations should be held after the sanctions are lifted.
    9. +10
      14 January 2016 10: 26
      what other Kuril Islands? let Hokayda give, our people live there, oppressed Ainu ...

      Ain pozhzh on Leo Tolstoy, as his brother and his name is Ivan, and the Bering Strait was generally called ANINISK ...
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    11. +2
      14 January 2016 12: 21
      There were only two pieces. And the rest is even nothing!
    12. +5
      14 January 2016 13: 21
      I think we have a second series:
      "Let us return once again to the works of the historian Boris Tkachenko. He writes:" US Secretary of State J. Dulles on August 19, 1956 notified Japanese Foreign Minister S. Shigemitsu that in the event that "if Japan recognizes the Soviet Union's full sovereignty over the Kuriles, we we conclude that we also have the right to full sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands "and" The United States can forever remain in Okinawa, and no Japanese government will remain in power. "
      The current Japanese stirring has the same basis - IMHO.
      1. +3
        14 January 2016 15: 22
        What is the point of fearing the conditions of the Americans if they already have bases there in Okinawa?
    13. +1
      14 January 2016 14: 30
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Require four cliffs in the ocean

      It's not about the rocks, but what is around and they are afraid, "devils" of us, and therefore are friends with the Americans. Otherwise, they would have thrown their bases into the ocean long ago. Yes, even for Nagasaki.
    14. +14
      14 January 2016 15: 14
      (C) The question - why did the Japanese cling to these largely uninhabited rocks - has two unequal answers. First of all, the ocean waters near the Kuril Islands are rich in commercial fish, in which the islanders are interested. But this is not the main thing. The return of territories lost in the war requires pride of the heirs of the samurai. They still have the spirit of the former empire and the memory of the battles when they pressed the Russian Empire on the Far Eastern borders. (C)
      The author of the material, okay, he may be a provocateur, but the "commentator", supported by many of the same "lop-eared", causes caution: (C) Requires four rocks in the ocean (C)
      These "four rocks in the ocean" block access to the theater of operations for almost the entire Pacific Fleet, with one stroke of the pen turning it from the Oceanic and Strategic into the OVR flotilla. And if someone asks: What about the base in Vilyuchinsk? The answer is simple - it will be cut off from the repair base! And why not a single "strategist" of the above did not think, because there are many clear examples of blocking fleets in closed waters, for example: Port Arthur, the Baltic Fleet, blocked in the Gulf of Finland for almost the entire period of the Great Patriotic War. In addition, all the works on the recognition of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as Russian, down the drain. And the blood of grandfathers and great-grandfathers?
    15. +4
      14 January 2016 15: 46
      So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific. Now they will begin to unwind this problem. Perhaps more than one year. And there they will see where the balance of power moves. But given that we are only building corvettes now, and the PAKF ordered 12 pieces, the hopes of the Japs are not hopeless. Do they understand this upstairs? Definitely. But whether they are ready to reconsider the tremendous pace of rearmament, this is a question ...
      1. +2
        14 January 2016 17: 33
        According to our military doctrine, the priority direction is the Atlantic and the North. Pacific Fleet somewhere in the end.
        But, as it turns out, it is necessary to actively saturate the Pacific Fleet - to start at least with the recently announced 22800 "Karakurt" MRK with 8 "Caliber" on each - this will already solve many problems. They planned to build only 18 of them, maybe 6 pieces. will go to the Pacific Fleet (they will not go to the Northern Fleet). Then pull up frigates and corvettes from the Redut zone air defense, which we have learned to build somehow ... Do not forget about the submarine - we can rivet the same Varshavyanka in 3 years - now we will close the series for the Black Sea Fleet - and slowly build for Pacific Fleet, and the production of everything that can be localized in the Far East. Why do we build RTOs "Karakurt" with a displacement of 800 tons only on "Pella"? They say - the boat is simple, what, the Far Eastern factories will not cope? At the same time, start in the Crimea, let them be drawn into "industrialization" in the military-industrial complex and do it for their Black Sea Fleet.
        We will not wait for the promised destroyer "Leader" soon, let alone the aircraft carrier, so concentrate on real targets
        1. 0
          15 January 2016 18: 19
          Quote: red_october
          According to our military doctrine, the priority direction is the Atlantic and the North. Pacific Fleet somewhere in the end.

          Who told you this bike? AND!
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      3. +1
        15 January 2016 18: 18
        Quote: qwert
        So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific.

        This is not their concern and beyond their capabilities and understanding. Here, even Amers this care is too tough, not like the Japanese.
    16. +3
      14 January 2016 16: 13
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Require four cliffs in the ocean

      Not rocks, but the sea around the rocks.
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      but put up with the deployment of occupation forces on its territory.

      And where do they go then fellow
    17. +1
      14 January 2016 18: 38
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

      This is most likely the 52nd state of the SGA! Without the knowledge of the State Department, such activity "about the world" would never have happened! Increasing tension in the region, and it is immediately clear where the EARS grow from, not to be confused with land and sake!
      1. 0
        14 January 2016 21: 34
        Quote: Tol100v
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

        This is most likely the 52nd state of the SGA! Without the knowledge of the State Department, such activity "about the world" would never have happened! Increasing tension in the region, and it is immediately clear where the EARS grow from, not to be confused with land and sake!

        The ears are more likely to grow not from the United States, but Japan is simply afraid of a military alliance between China and Russia. At this moment, a pragmatic rather than political approach is more likely. The appearance of two opponents in the region does not please the Japanese at all and for this reason they want to protect themselves even by treaty, legal understanding, we are still at war. The agreement may contain, in addition to solving territorial problems, certain conditions - on the recognition of borders, territorial integrity and non-aggression.
        1. -3
          14 January 2016 22: 07
          Quote: APASUS
          Japan is simply afraid of the military alliance between China and Russia.

          And this alliance is about to be created. wink

          Quote: APASUS
          The agreement may contain, in addition to solving territorial problems, certain conditions - on the recognition of borders, territorial integrity and non-aggression.

          Especially looking at Ukraine and understanding how such an agreement helped her, Japan does not understand how she still lived without it.
          Do not stop, continue to analyze further. good
          1. 0
            15 January 2016 10: 12
            Quote: Schulz
            And this alliance is about to be created

            It's a little more complicated here. China and Japan are courting Russia like a marrying girl. They have a serious problem that threatens to escalate into an armed conflict over the Senkaku (Diaoyu) archipelago. And which side Russia will take - that is the island will get. So the Russian Foreign Ministry has every chance to collect more bonuses, check points and mana from both "suitors".
            1. 0
              15 January 2016 14: 24
              Quote: Pomoryanin

              China and Japan are courting Russia as a girl of extradition.

              And you can have a couple of examples of this "courting", because I, for example, do not notice him.
              1. 0
                15 January 2016 15: 14
                Quote: Schulz
                And you can have a couple of examples of this "courting", because I, for example, do not notice him.

                "Do you see a gopher? - No. - And I do not. But he is!" Quote from the movie DMB.
                Yes please. Comrade Xi at the May 9 parade. Japan's September proposal for mutual settlements in national currencies and the impending cancellation of visas. The Chinese proposal for the development of the EAEU and the start of work on the northern branch of the Silk Road, etc. etc. I have a clear proposal that there is a bargaining: who will win Russia over to their side. For not only the ill-fated archipelago is at stake, but strategic leadership in the Far East.
                1. -4
                  15 January 2016 16: 21
                  Quote: Pomoryanin

                  Yes please. Comrade Xi at the May 9th parade.

                  An example knocks down on the spot. And can we assume that everyone else who was at the parade "courting" us?

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Japan's September offer on settlements in national currencies

                  Can I link to this amazing news?

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  and on the start of work on the northern branch of the "Silk Road"

                  And I thought that the Great Silk Road went through Georgia and not through Russia, but you will correct me now. Link as usual, and then move on to "etc. etc."

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  I have a clear proposal that there is a bargain: who will pull Russia to their side.

                  Well then, that's the way it should be written, that it was "you had an assumption" (you wanted to write this word?). And not as an indisputable fact.
                  1. +2
                    15 January 2016 17: 34
                    1.
                    Quote: Schulz
                    An example knocks down on the spot. And can we assume that everyone else who was at the parade "courting" us?

                    You are my benefactor, it is not my fault that you do not know the diplomatic protocol. Who is standing next to him at a significant celebration for the country is his best friend.
                    Quote: Schulz
                    Can I link to this amazing news?

                    2. Nate, I do not mind: http: //www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/55e97a489a794763e937b5cc,
                    Quote: Schulz
                    And I thought that the Great Silk Road went through Georgia and not through Russia, but you will correct me now. Link as usual, and then move on to "etc. etc."

                    Well, my dear, do you want to arrange an educational program? Dismiss The Silk Road has two branches: the South through the countries of Central Asia and Georgia, the north through Russia. Well, the prosecutor will provide you with a link if you are not trained to use reference resources.
                    .
                    Quote: Schulz
                    Well then, that's the way it should be written, that it was "you had an assumption" (you wanted to write this word?). And not as an indisputable fact.

                    C'mon, old man. What. refuse me logical thinking and ability to analyze? Do not measure all by yourself. If anything, I’m sorry for being rude ..
                    1. -2
                      15 January 2016 19: 17
                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      You are my benefactor, it is not my fault that you do not know the diplomatic protocol. Who is standing next to him at a significant celebration for the country is his best friend.

                      Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      2. Nate, I do not mind: http: //www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/55e97a489a794763e937b5cc,

                      And now we look at what you wrote and what is written in the link you provided.
                      Are you:
                      Japan's September proposal for mutual settlements in national currencies

                      URL:
                      Japan suggests Russia to think over partial transition to settlements in yen instead of the dollar to minimize business risks. Tadashi Maeda, senior managing director of the Japan Bank for International Cooperation, said this at the Eastern Economic Forum, RIA Novosti reports.

                      You call this "mutual settlements in national currencies"?
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      Well, the prosecutor will provide you a link if you are not trained to use reference resources.

                      Those. no link? I thought so.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      C'mon, old man. What. refuse me logical thinking and ability to analyze? Do not measure all by yourself.

                      1. Old people live in the next entrance.
                      2. I do not refuse logical thinking (for now). Just have a personal opinion and an indisputable fact, and these are completely different things. Think about it at your leisure.
                      If that, and I call.
                2. 0
                  15 January 2016 18: 24
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  "Do you see a gopher? - No. - And I do not. But he is!"

                  About the ground squirrel it is noticed correctly, but here it is only in the field and no matter how not at sea!
            2. 0
              15 January 2016 18: 23
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              They have a serious problem that threatens to escalate into an armed conflict over the Senkaku (Diaoyudao) archipelago. And on whose side Russia will speak, the islands will be won.

              This does not depend much on Russia, because it doesn’t need it for nothing, to interfere in someone’s conflict. Do the Chinese help us greatly in Syria?
              1. +1
                15 January 2016 20: 59
                Something you most respectable between the trees of the forest do not see.
                Well, I will answer the points:
                1.
                Quote: Oleg147741

                Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                Yes
                2.
                Quote: Schulz
                Do you call this "mutual settlements in national currencies"?

                Of course. Avoiding the dollar is worth a lot. In addition, in order for Japan to buy something in Russia, for example, from the Sakhalin-2 field, she has to pay in yen. And Russia can think: take them or not. Maybe yuan is better.
                Quote: Schulz
                Those. no link? I thought so.

                3. Do you call this "mutual settlements in national currencies"? I believe that in Russia there is no punishment for the inability to use search engines? It's a pity. Would you sit recourse
                4.
                Quote: Schulz
                .Old people live in the next entrance.
                2. I do not refuse logical thinking (for now). Just have a personal opinion and an indisputable fact, and these are completely different things. Think about it at your leisure.

                Yes, I just understood that I was communicating with the "ardent young man, with a burning heart". Believers that there are entirely creative office managers on Internet sites. Alas, I will disappoint you; I am not one of them.
                4.
                Quote: Oleg147741
                About the ground squirrel it is noticed correctly, but here it is only in the field and no matter how not at sea!

                Have you ever been to Sakhalin Oblast? Just do not tell me fairy tales - I will catch on lies instantly. At sea, there is also a lot of things that are not shown to the eye, but there are.
                5.
                Quote: Oleg147741
                Do the Chinese help us greatly in Syria?

                Uhhh? Not understood? Why should the Chinese in Syria help us if their interest in Iran’s de facto allied Russia?
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                4. -1
                  16 January 2016 10: 36
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Something you most respectable between the trees of the forest do not see.
                  Well, I will answer the points:
                  1.
                  Quote: Oleg147741

                  Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                  Yes

                  Those. the Chinese leader was put next to Putin by the Russian side, nothing depended on him, and this proves "courting"? No, if in China at the parade Putin was put next to Xi, then it would still be possible to pull the ears to "courting", but in Moscow ... Do you have more convincing facts of "courting", because examples like : "He smiled at us so sincerely and broadly, and this proves that ..." Unlike you, I am not particularly convinced.
                  Of course. Avoiding the dollar is worth a lot. In addition, in order for Japan to buy something in Russia, for example, from the Sakhalin-2 field, she has to pay in yen. And Russia can think: take them or not. Maybe yuan is better.

                  First you write about: "Japan's September proposal for mutual settlements in national currencies"implying settlements both in yen and in rubles. Then you provide a link where it is said about the offer of settlements in Japan ONLY in yen and begin to smoothly move off the topic. Well, where are the calculations in rubles?
                  I believe that in Russia there is no punishment for the inability to use search engines? It's a pity. Would you sit down

                  Well, teach me how to use search engines. Show me how actively the northern branch is being implemented. And it turns out that I caught you for the second time in a lie.
                  Yes, I just understood that I was communicating with the "ardent young man, with a burning heart". Believers that there are entirely creative office managers on Internet sites. Alas, I will disappoint you; I am not one of them.

                  Where did you go? Arguments ended before they started?
                  1. 0
                    16 January 2016 11: 06
                    I don’t like my version - suggest yours in the light of the Sino-Japanese conflict around the archipelago and the end. And then they started to look for an error in the 119 sign.
                    1. 0
                      16 January 2016 12: 04
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      I don’t like my version - suggest yours in the light of the Sino-Japanese conflict around the archipelago and the end. And then they started to look for an error in the 119 sign.

                      What, the "analyst" was blown away and you are not even indignant that you were caught twice in a lie?
                      Just do not tell me fairy tales - I will catch on lies instantly.

                      lol
                      1. 0
                        16 January 2016 12: 53
                        Quote: Schulz
                        What, the "analyst" was blown away and you are not even indignant that you were caught twice in a lie?

                        I have seen such accusers. You don't have your own thoughts, but don't feed other people's "to analyze" with bread. What's the lie? The fact that China and Japan are interested in Russia in the conflict over the islands? Or what they are trying to make their ally out of the Russian Federation in case of war? Do not puff up your cheeks, just take and look at the material on the Senkaku Islands and that's it. Or you can't find the link yourself?
                      2. 0
                        16 January 2016 13: 19
                        Quote: Pomoryanin
                        feed. What's the lie?

                        1. The fact that Japan never offered calculations in national currencies.
                        2. That the implementation of the northern branch of the Great Silk Road "is in full swing".
                      3. 0
                        16 January 2016 14: 00
                        Quote: Schulz
                        1. The fact that Japan has never offered to calculate in national currencies.

                        That is, the yen is not the national currency of Japan? Or is it important for you in CURRENCIES. How do you know what Russia proposed in response to Japan - it may even switch to rubles.
                        Quote: Schulz
                        The fact that the implementation of the northern branch of the Great Silk Road "is in full swing".

                        You see, I have 6 federal channels in my native outback, and only China is catching purely from the radio. So they claim that everything is fine with the "New Silk Road". Call Beijing, ask if they are lying.
                      4. 0
                        16 January 2016 15: 59
                        Quote: Pomoryanin

                        That is, the yen is not the national currency of Japan? Or is it important for you in CURRENCIES. How do you know what Russia proposed in response to Japan - it may even switch to rubles.

                        Maybe she suggested, or maybe ... Maybe she didn't offer anything. It’s not funny for you to write this yourself?
                        Once again (the last one): you said that Japan offered settlements in currencies i.e. in yens and rubles. I told you that in rubles I did not offer. And so it turned out. Those. you lied.
                        Quote: Pomoryanin

                        You see, I have 6 federal channels in my native outback, and only China is catching purely from the radio. So they claim that everything is fine with the "New Silk Road". Call Beijing, ask if they are lying.

                        It makes no difference to me how many federal channels and radio stations you have. You said that I don’t know how to use a search engine, and if you could, you found a bunch of confirmations that everything is fine with the northern branch. Why should I talk about what you heard on TV, radio, in a trolleybus, from grandmothers at the entrance, etc.? Show me a confirmation of your words. There's no such thing? So you lied twice.
                        PS: And you still asked: do I refuse you logical thinking and the ability to analyze. one hundred%.
                      5. 0
                        17 January 2016 12: 11
                        Quote: Schulz
                        Show me a confirmation of your words. There's no such thing? So you lied twice.

                        That is, you say that I was not mistaken, but I personally lied to you intentionally? I own what information I use. However, you are not an authority for me to justify yourself to you.
                        I have the honor!
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          2. 0
            15 January 2016 16: 29
            Quote: Schulz
            Especially looking at Ukraine and understanding how such an agreement helped her, Japan does not understand how she still lived without it. Don't stop continue ana

            Such an agreement may not be an obstacle in the event of a conflict, but it does give the right to some countries to accuse us of aggression and take part in the war on the side of Japan.
            1. -2
              15 January 2016 16: 56
              Quote: APASUS

              Such an agreement may not be an obstacle in case of conflict, but it gives the right to some countries to accuse us of aggression.

              But there is no agreement - ergo, no one dares to reproach us in aggression, right?
        2. 0
          15 January 2016 18: 21
          Quote: APASUS
          Japan is afraid of the military alliance of China and Russia

          And why are they afraid of him, China will manage there himself!
          But the islands to Russian-Chinese relations are not a single side at all.
      2. 0
        14 January 2016 21: 52
        For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not be lulled by the sweet speeches of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
        Wonderful article ending! I think that these are not just words, but the conclusion: we will never give up our lands - enough to squander already acquired!
        1. -2
          15 January 2016 15: 28
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Wonderful article ending!

          Which does not justify the early voiced garbage.
    18. +1
      14 January 2016 21: 24
      "Four rocks" under the flag of the Russian Federation give reason to consider the Sea of ​​Okhotsk entirely the territorial waters of the Russian Federation - and this is the gateway to the Northern Sea Route and the Arctic
    19. 0
      14 January 2016 23: 11
      Well, whoever pays the one and orders the music)
    20. +2
      14 January 2016 23: 25
      It's not about 4 rocks! And in territorial waters! In which a lot of crab, etc. resources, which our border guards at the very worst. Look on the map, what piece of "water" they will cut off, having received Shikatan and Kunashir!
    21. c3r
      -3
      15 January 2016 05: 35
      It's a "hybrid" imperial spirit. Never mind, it's so trendy right now!
    22. +1
      15 January 2016 07: 37
      The Japanese just need a "peace treaty" like air. It is not comfortable for the Japs to have such a strong power as Russia at hand and at the same time to be at war with it. It seems to me that they are now even just a rock and then arranged, but on their terms, so as not to lose face.
      1. 0
        15 January 2016 10: 08
        Quote: vkfriendly
        It’s not comfortable for Yapis to have such a powerful power as Russia near and at the same time be at war with it.

        There are as many such historical incidents. Liechtenstein is still at war with Prussia, and Texas with the United States. And nothing live.
    23. +1
      15 January 2016 09: 10
      Ami du peuple - And "spirit" has nothing to do with it, everything is much simpler and more material:
      if you give up the islands, the same will happen to the Pacific Fleet as with the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic Fleet - it will be locked within the same sea, you can forget about the ocean, that's why the United States kicks the "proud" samurai, urging them on to Russia, and everything else - fish, imperial spirit and so on - a smoke screen nothing more hi
    24. 0
      15 January 2016 10: 35
      YES ... SPECIAL SPIRIT ... SHOWER .... wassat
    25. 0
      15 January 2016 13: 58
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.


      this is a national peculiarity: for example, they were very cruel in China because they thought the more cruel the more the Chinese would be scared and become silk - strange logic, right?

      but if you look at how they reconcile with the invaders on their territory, it becomes clear that in 1945 they really were scared for life (and a person, as you know, measures everything by himself)

      it's just not clear how the samurai spirit fits in with this ...
      1. 0
        15 January 2016 15: 30
        Quote: pupazzo
        it's just not clear how the samurai spirit fits in with this ...

        The spirit of the samurai is a brand advertised by television; in fact, samurai are mediocre soldiers.
        1. +1
          15 January 2016 20: 51
          Quote: Setrac
          The spirit of the samurai is a brand advertised by television; in fact, samurai are mediocre soldiers.

          But they dashingly and poetically dump their liver request
          1. 0
            16 January 2016 15: 29
            Quote: Barkhan
            But they dashingly and poetically dump their liver

            Yeah, if wars were won by tearing our own belly, we would have a Japayan world, not an Anglo-Saxon one.
      2. 0
        16 January 2016 22: 48
        I think the samurai were killed in the war, like the Communists.
    26. +1
      15 January 2016 15: 17
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Some strange "imperial spirit", is not it? They demand four rocks in the ocean, but put up with the deployment of occupying troops on their territory.

      the author did not say the main reason for the claims on the islands is the passage of American anti-submarine ships into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
    27. 0
      15 January 2016 18: 13
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

      They demand this not because of the "imperial spirit", but this is a very convenient exit to the Pacific Ocean for our Navy. the Americans are trying to fence themselves off again with the Japons.
    28. 0
      16 January 2016 14: 32
      "Imperial spirit" with a stench) The Americans wiped out 98 Japanese cities in 74 of which there was not a single military enterprise ... about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I will keep silent ... and they signed an agreement on peace and cooperation with them. ..the occupation troops to call allies, it is generally beyond my understanding.
  2. +12
    14 January 2016 06: 40
    From a dead donkey their ears and not the Kuril Islands.
    1. +7
      14 January 2016 07: 00
      Quote: Utlan
      From a dead donkey their ears and not the Kuril Islands.

      Right!!! Something narrow-eyed shorties completely lost their scent ... They want to be cleaned ?! am
  3. +1
    14 January 2016 06: 45
    Have you decided to drop a bone and get more in return? Oh well.
  4. +4
    14 January 2016 06: 46
    Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier, and all actions regarding the islands are nothing but a hustle and bustle under the dictation of the United States, so you simply can’t take seriously the turmoil
    1. +2
      14 January 2016 06: 52
      Quote: antiexpert
      Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier

      I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.
      1. +1
        14 January 2016 07: 00
        Quote: chikenous59
        I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.

        Horror - the Japanese flee to the mainland))
        The first written records of ancient Japan are contained in Chinese historical chronicles “Twenty-Four Stories” of the XNUMXst century. However, according to archaeological research, the Japanese archipelago was inhabited by people during the Late Paleolithic.
    2. 0
      14 January 2016 07: 02
      Quote: antiexpert
      Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier, and all actions regarding the islands are nothing but a hustle and bustle under the dictation of the United States, so you simply can’t take seriously the turmoil

      Throw a few "poplars" and drown like a cute ... wink
      1. +1
        14 January 2016 14: 18
        Why spend poplars? The Japanese islands themselves will soon go under water ... You have to wait a bit ...
        Well, the fleet of the samurai is serious, it requires attention.
  5. +4
    14 January 2016 06: 57
    Quote: chikenous59
    I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.

    Well, they need another tsunami to calm down for a couple of years, American mongrel.
    1. -5
      14 January 2016 07: 08
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      Well, they need one more tsunami

      But will it not reach us by chance? And radiation from damaged nuclear power plants in Japan?) Will this not affect us?
  6. +14
    14 January 2016 06: 58
    the essence of the dispute is only to conclude a contract on Japanese terms

    If you go (presumably) to the conditions of Japan, then after that there will be a line of people who want to profit from Russian territory (Kaliningrad, Karelia, etc.). And it’s a crime to trade your territory, for which not a little blood has been shed. So that you guys are Japanese calm down and forget about the islands.
    1. +11
      14 January 2016 07: 50
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If you go (presumably) to the conditions of Japan

      But you can set the conditions of Russia! First: The return of the Gold of the Russian Empire that Ataman Semenov deposited with Japan. The transfer list is in Russia, The second compensation for damage caused by Japan during the years of intervention and the civil war in Russia. Compensation for pirated sunken merchant ships of the USSR Navy during the Second World War. Here is the link, there is a list of ships. In the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there are still documents that Japan owes Russia for piracy in the 1930s. The Japanese will still find and forget about the islands, because the debts are unbearable.
      1. +4
        14 January 2016 11: 38
        No conditions and bidding. As they say (and these are the words of Japanese diplomats):
        War cancels all treaties. (c) Komura Jutaro and Takahira Kogoro

        Nothing to talk about.
        They want a peace treaty - no problem, we conclude a peace treaty, BUT on our terms ....
        They need this agreement, and we like a stop signal like a hare ..
        1. 0
          14 January 2016 17: 32
          Quote: lex locis
          They want a peace treaty - no problem, we conclude a peace treaty, BUT on our terms ....
          They need this agreement, and we like a stop signal like a hare ..

          Yes, the Japanese will be tortured to pay off their debts on tsarist gold and forget about the islands. There are documents, there are law firms abroad that are ready to handle these affairs for a certain percentage. There is a book by Latyshev "How Japan Stole Russian Gold". There are other documents.
  7. +10
    14 January 2016 07: 01
    Do we need a peace treaty? Obviously, yes. Since only in these conditions it is possible to build relations with Japan without any pitfalls. But is it the primary task of domestic diplomacy? Obviously not. It’s easier for us to wait a few more years to eliminate Japan’s ambitions or radically reduce its appetites.
    Something like that in a few words.
  8. +7
    14 January 2016 07: 07
    They would have cleaned Okinawa, for starters from amers ......
  9. +11
    14 January 2016 07: 09
    Yes, these islands are needed not by Japan, but by the United States, for the construction of new bases closer to our border.
    1. +3
      14 January 2016 11: 39
      Quote: Rav075
      Yes, these islands are needed not by Japan, but by the United States, for the construction of new bases closer to our border.


      Just like the Crimea ...
  10. +9
    14 January 2016 07: 28
    Does Russia need it? Most probably not. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have crawled out of Tokyo. Japan also needs not peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only "northern territories" —that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them it’s a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet speeches of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.

    Let the enemy who hid in ambush remember
    We are on the alert, we are following the enemy.
    We do not want any land,
    But we will not give up ours.
  11. +3
    14 January 2016 07: 30
    On earth, our oblique samurai gaze turned? We do not forbid you to watch, as well as dream! But, nothing more!
  12. +4
    14 January 2016 07: 58
    “70 years have passed since the end of the Second World War, and a peace treaty has not yet been signed between our countries. This is regrettable. “Strong leaders are now in power in our countries, and therefore we must take advantage of the situation and make efforts to conclude a peace treaty,”


    He sings sweetly, but makes him hard. They will bend their samurai, to infinity. This is a feature of the nation and its diplomacy.
    I think that we have enough mind not to succumb to their promises.
  13. +11
    14 January 2016 08: 08
    The theme of the islands is a hackneyed topic on VO, but here we find a common point of view participating in the discussion, namely: we do not sell our territory - our fathers and grandfathers did everything right in 1945, returning their own, lost as a result of the insidious plans of the samurai in 1904 .
    Japan is an occupied country, every word uttered from Tokyo is written ahead of time on paper in Washington. And in general, why does Russia need a peace treaty? Were we not "thrown" in the 90s in Europe, promising not to expand NATO to the east, you can not trust American puppets.
    In a word hell to them and not the island.
  14. +9
    14 January 2016 08: 12
    And I also heard that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, thanks to these islands, is recognized as internal Russian. And there, in addition to fish, there is also a shelf with its hydrocarbon nishtyaks.) Also, the Pacific Fleet has its own non-freezing access to the ocean, and is not locked in the Sea of ​​Japan.
  15. +10
    14 January 2016 08: 12
    To give the Kuril Islands, it is the same as to give your child to someone else's family!
  16. +10
    14 January 2016 08: 33
    No territories. You can not trade the homeland. It is necessary to master the South Kuril Islands, and Russia is doing this. And the troops are there. Enough to discourage trying to recapture the island by force. Yes, this is generally an incredible development of events. And the peace treaty ... we lived without it for 70 years, and we will live another 70.
    1. +2
      14 January 2016 16: 20
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It is necessary to master the South Kuril Islands

      Yes, we can say so about almost all of Russia - there is a lot of "undeveloped" land.
  17. +2
    14 January 2016 08: 41
    Already got these henchmen of Doctor Evil. Well, the waxwings themselves, about theirs, about the painful. So after all, they perform according to American notes. They were bombed with vigorous bombs, hundreds of thousands of people were burned alive, kept for seventy years as occupied territories, and they only wag their tail and look into the eyes of the Americans with enthusiasm - did they all do this, did they completely satisfy the owner?
  18. +2
    14 January 2016 08: 50
    I think the point is different, the disputed islands are not the visible part for us in cases of transfer of the islands of Japan, and it will be easy to sneak up on us not to be discovered by them, I don’t remember exactly but maybe this question was discussed on topvar after the comment of a military analyst, it’s not worth it in short, digging a car giving yourself the controversial islands of Japan.
  19. +3
    14 January 2016 09: 05
    I suggest picking up two islands. One then return. And they will be happy.
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

    Rationale: genocide of the Ainu people, to whom the island belonged.

    Ainu did not conclude a peace treaty with Japan)))
  20. +3
    14 January 2016 09: 21
    From the old joke about agitation for Soviet power and promises to the people for its support:
    - Cross out everything that was promised before. And write down .... th him from the Soviet government.
    So the Japanese need to say ....
  21. +3
    14 January 2016 09: 35
    For 70 years, the Japanese have been very disappointed with the Kuril Islands. Maybe it's time to make hara-kiri already?
  22. +2
    14 January 2016 09: 50
    Let them AMERICA WILL RETURN THE EARTH that OCCUPIED WITH THEIR BASES in JAPAN! and leave her!
    To begin with, the US Occupation Troops will expel ... Let them be MUCH!
    1. +3
      14 January 2016 10: 44
      Plus, Japan is involved in sanctions against Russia.
  23. 0
    14 January 2016 09: 59
    It seems half-bloody, until the end of the century they will not calm down with their mongrels ...
    All thoughts, only about one thing-as if harder to spoil Russia. am
  24. +2
    14 January 2016 10: 14
    The point was put by the Red Army by a blow in Manchuria. Before him, the Japanese planned to fight back on their islands to the last, teaching civilian handling of bamboo stakes, as long as there was a supply of resources from Korea and China. After the atomic strikes, their headquarters did not even gather, and after connecting to the Eastern Front of the USSR, they gathered immediately, after which it was decided not to continue the resistance in the event of the loss of the occupied regions on the mainland. What ultimately happened.
    turn
  25. +2
    14 January 2016 10: 15
    On July 26, 1945, the Potsdam Declaration was adopted within the framework of the Potsdam Conference, limiting the sovereignty of Japan to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku. On August 8, the USSR joined the Potsdam Declaration. On August 14, Japan accepted the terms of the Declaration and on September 2, 1945 signed the Surrender Act, confirming these conditions.
  26. Don
    +4
    14 January 2016 10: 49
    Does Russia need him? Most likely no. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have got out of Tokyo. Japan also does not need peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only “northern territories” - that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them, it is a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet talk of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
    Everything is written in these lines. If we really want peace with Japan, we must stop the current talk about surrendering the territory of the Russian Federation to the aggressor state. It is necessary to adopt a law that clearly indicates the belonging of the Russian Federation to Sakhalin and the islands of the Kuril ridge. All kinds of interpretations by our leaders about the possibility of transferring or sharing these territories should fall under the article on betrayal and treason.
    1. +5
      14 January 2016 10: 54
      Each aggressor must have as punishment the loss of its territory FOREVER.
  27. 0
    14 January 2016 11: 04
    most likely the japas will try to resolve something quietly with us, while in the second election-re-election, and the overseas lord will not be up to them.
    1. +1
      14 January 2016 14: 55
      We have nothing to decide with them! Our islands, period! This is not just a group of islands, it is a territory with straits, our access to the operational space.
  28. +2
    14 January 2016 11: 32
    The Japanese missed their time. It was under Ebn that they were promised 2 of the 4 small islands. But the next morning "soberly" in the Russian Federation returned to the status quo. And with GDP, it is unlikely that some kind of exchange shines for them. Painfully convenient, next to Hokkaido, you can put a radar back to back.
    1. 0
      15 January 2016 10: 04
      Quote: xomaNN
      But the next morning "soberly" in the Russian Federation returned to the status quo.

      This is thanks to Korzhakov and Skokov. In time, Burbulis was neutralized and the people who managed to postpone Yeltsin’s visit to Japan. Otherwise the islands would cry ...
  29. +2
    14 January 2016 11: 36
    Which islands? I do not know any northern territories.
    The Kuril Islands is not even a potential catch of fish or hydrocarbons, it is primarily a strategic location, it is an ice-free exit to the Pacific Ocean, it is a closed inland Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
    If a deal is made, then the whole popular impulse from the return of Crimea will instantly be reset to zero, not to mention the whole line of people thirsting for Russian land. By the way, then they will definitely reap with the Crimea to the last so that they again give the Ukrainians.
  30. 0
    14 January 2016 11: 55
    Japan also needs not peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only "northern territories"

    A hoho not hoho? Make a mistake. If you want to live in peace with us - sign an agreement without any conditions whatsoever, but no - no, it won’t tickle us. stop
  31. +5
    14 January 2016 12: 35
    This is the Izumo destroyer helicopter carrier, which is close in capabilities to the French Mistrals advertised here.


    In principle, everything is correct, except for one - Izumo - this is more than Mistral. This is actually a light aircraft carrier, the F-35 can calmly take off from it and even land)
    Compare the sizes. And they cannot yet have a full-fledged aircraft carrier, nevertheless they are "self-defense" forces.

  32. +3
    14 January 2016 12: 37
    What agreement can be with an occupied country? Let the Americans run away! This they, as always and everywhere, spoil.
  33. +2
    14 January 2016 13: 14
    I think that we do not give back the islands because
    in the event of a return there the Americans will spread with their missiles.
    Well, they will write off part of the public debt to the Japanese for this.
    Can you imagine what American bases in the Kuril Islands are?
    In my opinion, this is the main reason for our unwillingness to talk about the return of the islands.
    1. 0
      15 January 2016 11: 43
      If Yeltsin (after the surrender of Crimea) did not go for it, then do they really hope that Putin will do it?
      1. 0
        15 January 2016 11: 58
        Quote: gray_angel
        then do they seriously hope that Putin will do this?

        Well, Medvedev has gone ..
    2. 0
      15 January 2016 11: 43
      If Yeltsin (after the surrender of Crimea) did not go for it, then do they really hope that Putin will do it?
  34. -4
    14 January 2016 13: 55
    The world's best foreign chief will give up without hesitation for a second. As he gave the "Kemsk volost" to the Norwegians, the island on the cupid to China, the village with the people to the Azeybarjan. "Lavrov is a generous soul."
    Our homeland is traded by strangers, usually foreigners with Russian citizenship.
    1. +1
      15 January 2016 10: 00
      Quote: chunga-changa
      "Lavrov is a generous soul."

      Yes, in Murmansk, Karelia and Arkhangelsk, fishermen still spit on the "Lavrov-Stolltenberg agreement" with the direct active participation of an iPhone lover. As a result: the sea was lost, the Shpits survived and the Shtokman project was covered with a copper basin: the Norwegians received the Fedynsky vault, the largest hydrocarbon field in the world, which is why they had a three-day holiday under the slogan "Russian n..Bals" ..
      I understand that only those who are not in the subject but in the tank will pass you. Forgive them with a mournful mind.
  35. Dam
    0
    14 January 2016 14: 15
    It's just PR, how sweet it would be for Abe to be known as a collector of the land of Japan. But not fate, apparently, not in this life
  36. +2
    14 January 2016 14: 29
    Talking about the contract and returning the island, we forget about some points. No one thought that:
    1. Russian citizens live on these islands
    2. From Kunashir Island to Hokkaido, only 40 km. Remind me, what is the flight range of Iskander, Bastion and other delights of the Russian military-industrial complex?
    Moreover, if you look at the development trend of the Japanese army and navy, then Japan is clearly preparing for an offensive war, moreover, for quite large landing operations. It’s time to put Kunashir and Iturup in the Marine Division, the S-400 Division, and the coast-based RCCs will not be in the way. Plus, it’s time for the Pacific Fleet to reinforce, at least RTOs, only preferably the ocean class.
  37. +1
    14 January 2016 15: 47
    So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific. Now they will begin to unwind this problem. Perhaps more than one year. And there they will see where the balance of power moves. But given that we are only building corvettes now, and the PAKF ordered 12 pieces, the hopes of the Japs are not hopeless. Do they understand this upstairs? Definitely. But whether they are ready to reconsider the tremendous pace of rearmament, this is a question ...
  38. +2
    14 January 2016 18: 12
    It’s even fun to watch the Japs trying ...)
    The train left and the rails were taken apart ...
  39. 0
    14 January 2016 18: 40
    Quote: kumaxa
    on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and bring back alaska

    In fact, Alaska is already ours - the GDP spoke clearly about this, it’s just that it’s still on loan from the United States, as I understand it (((...
  40. +1
    14 January 2016 18: 53
    Yes, to hell with them throughout the narrow-eyed de.
  41. +1
    14 January 2016 20: 19
    Quote: ism_ek
    Inurup is slightly larger than Luxembourg or 1% of the area of ​​the Japanese islands.
    Sense to give these islands, I do not see. Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.

    And what to negotiate then? To send both those and others straight to the mother - having closed the topic once and for all, there is no need to fiddle and wag, I must say firmly: Our islands and the topic is closed, the next one ... and was, but all came out, when they lay down under the states, kamikaze fucking
  42. 0
    14 January 2016 22: 31
    It is impossible to achieve a false goal. All efforts and sacrifices will be in vain.
  43. +1
    14 January 2016 23: 43
    Once again, the aggravation of interstate contradictions and disagreements, characteristic of the beginning of the century, is gaining strength. The scab of healed faults on the borders of the former empires is again warmed up; unforgiven insults and claims are taken from the archives. The Ottoman, Persian, and ours, the Russian Empire, who are more, who are less likely to regain possession, world weight, and a place under the sun.

    Perhaps the desire for possession of the territory is more inherent in Asians than, for example, Europeans or Americans. We live on our resources, and the global capital of the SGA and Europe does not need territories: there are no borders. They have their own redistribution, their empires are purely financial, they are preparing a financial redistribution.
    Not without exceptions, of course: the Chinese dragon got involved in the financial redistribution, and so far successfully.
    And Japan, "just went such a booze" - at least squeeze the islands.

    Still, they are naive there, by the rising sun: every year the same thing, and now, they think, they’ll give a ride ...
    Yes, if we were even wrong on the islands - and then you can’t give it away!
    And the Japanese offer options: to re-take the Falklands from the Britons, or a piece of Alaska from the SGA (but in a hurry, you can leave the goods!), And even easier - buy from the Greeks - inexpensive and warm.
  44. +2
    15 January 2016 05: 01
    similar to world scenario 2
    - peace treaty with Japan, as with Germany
    Calm down for a year, and an attack on the islands with Sakhalin and Primorye?
    Strange as that.
    Apparently the Japanese decided to fall on the tail. How many countries will it take in the intervention? Five pieces for sure.
  45. +1
    15 January 2016 06: 29
    I think that the GDP will simply ignore all these gestures of the samurai. Why would we give whole territories in exchange for a piece of paper that can be wiped off. We don’t need someone else’s (paper), and we won’t give back our (land).
  46. +1
    15 January 2016 06: 53
    Let them smoke now. Hokkaido is ours.
  47. +1
    15 January 2016 07: 03
    but canceled his trip due to a visit to the Kuril Islands by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev
    So what? Do we also have to make demarches regarding the visit by Japanese Prime Minister Hakkaido or Honshu?
  48. +1
    15 January 2016 08: 26
    The exchange must be equivalent .. Four islands of the Kuril ridge with all the infrastructure for the four islands of the Japanese archipelago, also with all the infrastructure ...
  49. +5
    15 January 2016 09: 54
    Well, what can I tell you about Sakhalin? The weather is normal on the island .. However, the weather there is different. I understand that most of the speakers in the Sakhalin region have never been, why sometimes you read absolutely wild comments that the islands "are not used even by 10%", I would like to know how to use them for 100%. Some forum users are considering the data territory only from a military point of view, which is completely correct, forgetting about the economic. Firstly, the ownership of these islands to Russia automatically provides for the possession of a 200-mile economic zone around them with innumerable fish reserves and deposits of all kinds of useful things under the seabed. The British, for example, in the Atlantic, still cement the rolling pin annually so as not to drown, because this island gives a significant increment to their EEZ at sea. Of course, in the Russian government there are always those who are ready to give up the "Kemsk volost" for the right to be considered the "German of the year", "Bill's friend" or an affectionate pat on the cheek from Stoltenberg, but I hope that the time of the Burbulisov, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins and Dmitriev Anatolyevich Medvedevs will sink finally in the fly.
    Shl. I absolutely agree with the author of the article, Gennady Granovsky, that these territories were obtained by Russia as a result of the military defeat of Japan. What claims can be, "woe to the vanquished"!
  50. +1
    15 January 2016 11: 26
    Just a couple of years ago I read an interesting article (unfortunately, I don’t remember exactly where) about the fact that Russia will go to war (not in the sense of a direct declaration of war, but out of silence) either from Krajina or from Japan. I thought that they would start with narrow-eyed ones - I was mistaken, they started with both
  51. +1
    15 January 2016 11: 49
    Friendship is friendship, but the islands are apart!
  52. +1
    15 January 2016 11: 52
    Fuck them, they haven’t answered us for Tsushima yet...
    1. 0
      15 January 2016 20: 26
      Nikolashka the Bloody was responsible for Tsushima.
      And he answered - his whole family.
  53. +3
    15 January 2016 11: 56
    In my personal understanding, it is nonsense for the loser to dictate terms to the winner. In 1905 Japan won - one situation, in 1945 it lost - another situation. I hope all their jumps are ignored.
    1. 0
      22 January 2016 02: 12
      in 1905, Japan had the same situation - they achieved a quick local effect, but the Russian Empire was completing mobilization and would take everything back
      in fact, they were losers due to the fact that the Cossacks managed to seriously slow down the advance of the Japanese. The problem was in the peace negotiations, because the Americans tried to play along with the Japanese as much as possible. The shame of 1905 is the result of the vile policy of America with some help from England and, of course, a consequence of the self-removal of Nicholas II from government, which actually took place long before the abdication, when Stolypin was still alive.
  54. 0
    15 January 2016 13: 11
    In our military doctrine we need to return to divisions - as they deploy, they cover a fairly large section of the front. Brigades are a form of offensive army aimed at attacking. We need to restore, modernize and strengthen the contingents in the east of the country and southern borders. The budget cannot be cut here, otherwise there will be nothing to restore. It will no longer be ours (the state).
  55. +1
    15 January 2016 13: 35
    The Japanese have taken a narrow-minded position. Smilingly, they beg to give them islands and at the same time do nothing at all so that, against the backdrop of normal neighborly relations for many years, then accept mutually beneficial agreements! They simply support sanctions against us with a bang, they think all sorts of bullshit and ask to give up the territories! It seems that you can’t call people stupid, but judging by these jokes, it turns out that they are stupid..
  56. +3
    15 January 2016 16: 53
    Our generation grew up in the Far East. It was especially a contrast after the war for children to fatten up on fish and seafood, so much so that they dreamed of pickles! Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands are ours and the wealth of future generations cannot be given away. The blood of our fathers was shed for them.
    A certain Kozyrev and Shevardnadze only promised to present our oil-bearing area in the Pacific Ocean to the SGA. So the mattress makers immediately sent the coast guard there and seized these fishing areas. And now their flag is illegal there.
    As for securing the population in the Far East, a little is needed: The government should equalize / reduce / tariffs for energy resources, transport, AT LEAST TO THE LEVEL OF THE MIDDLE BAND OF RUSSIA! Give people jobs! And the salary is the same!
    After all, under Stolypin there were tariffs for railway transportation, the further from the capital the cheaper! The land was transferred to the Cossacks free of charge and indefinitely. The condition is to protect the Border of the Russian State.
    Make living conditions in the Far East as in the center of Russia and you will see that people will begin to return to us in the FAR EAST OF RUSSIA.
    And we'll do the rest ourselves!
  57. 0
    15 January 2016 17: 52
    Have they butted heads yet? Aren't you tired of it yourself?
  58. +1
    15 January 2016 18: 11
    In fact, Iturup is today the largest, growing, with a debit of 20 tons per year, with global production of 50 tons per year, and almost the only rhenium deposit in the world, which, by the way, is used in turbine blades and rocket nozzles.


    From the wiki... Alloys of rhenium with molybdenum, tungsten and other metals are used to create parts for rocketry and supersonic aircraft. Nickel-rhenium alloys are used to make combustion chambers, turbine blades, and exhaust nozzles of jet engines; these alloys contain up to 6% rhenium, making jet engine construction the largest user of rhenium. In particular, single-crystalline nickel rhenium-containing alloys, which have increased heat resistance, are used for the manufacture of gas turbine engine blades[21]. Rhenium is of critical military strategic importance due to its use in the manufacture of high-performance military jet and rocket engines.....
    ...
    The extreme dispersion of rhenium is evidenced by the fact that only one economically profitable rhenium deposit is known in the world. It is located in Russia: its reserves are about 10-15 tons. This deposit was discovered in 1992 on the Kudryavy volcano, Iturup Island, Kuril Islands.....

    So there are not political but purely economic reasons.

    Rhenium is of CRITICAL military-strategic importance.
  59. 0
    15 January 2016 18: 28
    Quote: Griboedoff
    Have you ever been to Primorye at least once? There are fewer Chinese than in Moscow.

    Agree! It’s been half a year since I got there) Chinese language has decreased greatly in our country over the last five years! There was a time when in Vladik on the Second River it was impossible to walk along the Russian road to the bus station! They occupied everything and everyone with their trays. Moreover, they shouted at the locals if they didn’t like something.
  60. 0
    15 January 2016 19: 29
    Quote: venaya
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    A strange kind of "imperial spirit", is not it?

    Here we can only talk about the "imperial spirit" of a foreign empire, and the nationalist spirit (even in the Japanese religion) has been adopted by a completely different nation, which now rules on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

    The military spirit of the descendants of the samurai ended; a well-fed life turned them, like Europeans, into consumers. They are no longer warriors, not warriors.
  61. 0
    15 January 2016 23: 21
    Quote: Oleg147741
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

    Yes, so to speak a counter offer! And why, actually not!

    I support it, I'm in favor.
  62. 0
    15 January 2016 23: 43
    God be with her, with Japan! It is we who need to resolve the issue of all our territories. From Kaliningrad to the Kuril Islands.
  63. 0
    16 January 2016 02: 38
    Unlike Japan, we do not have any “northern territories problem”.
  64. 0
    16 January 2016 07: 08
    Let the Japanese first publicly acknowledge the fact of the US nuclear attack on Japan in 1945. Let many young Japanese know that it turns out Japan fought on the side of Nazi Germany in the Second World War. And then, impatiently, puffing and hoping, they stomp around in the waiting room, waiting to be received. Just like they once did with our ambassadors. And then, maybe Russia can listen to them.... And that’s all. No peace treaties. Now they are impatient. Let them fight the Chinese. Weak.
  65. 0
    16 January 2016 10: 14
    “Fuck them, not white crumpets!!!” I had to visit the Kuril Islands, in particular Shikotan Island, incredible beauty, huge reserves of hydrocarbons around, huge reserves of seafood, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is essentially an inland sea under current conditions, etc. . Well, if they suddenly come at us, hit us right away so that we no longer want to covet someone else’s property!
  66. 0
    16 January 2016 11: 36
    Be that as it may, the “proud” Japanese themselves were the first to raise this issue. So let's take some details out of the equation and highlight the main thing. In principle, one cannot but be pleased with the beginning of a dialogue between our countries. How and for how long it will continue is no longer important, what is important is that their arrogance has gone and their requests have decreased by a factor. A peace treaty must be signed on the basis of mutually beneficial relations and understanding. And not necessarily with Russia losing its territories. There must be a point set seventy years ago.
  67. 0
    16 January 2016 12: 18
    Quote: Griboedoff
    "Four rocks in the ocean" This is too understated. Even the Habomai group of islands is worthy of higher praise. In general, the South Kuril Islands are quite valuable for Russia:
    - here are the only non-freezing straits (the straits between the northern Kuril Islands freeze) that provide access to the Pacific Ocean through Russian territorial waters.
    - in the case of the transition of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, Russia will lose the ability to control the entry of foreign ships and submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is the combat service area of ​​strategic missile submarine cruisers of the Pacific Fleet.
    - The hydrocarbon reserves on the continental shelf are estimated at 1,6 billion tons of standard fuel (the newspaper provides calculations for 2004 - approx. Ed.). Gold resources on the islands are estimated at 1867 tons, silver - at 9284 tons, titanium - at 39,7 million tons, iron - at 273 million tons. There are steam hydrothermal deposits, deposits of polymetallic ores, 117 million tons of sulfur. At Iturup, the annual removal with gases of a rare rhenium metal, which is more expensive than gold, is 36 tons, which corresponds to its annual world consumption.
    - The total area of ​​the islands is 5 thousand square meters. km (it is five times smaller than the Crimea, but still a lot)
    - In the area of ​​these islands, an annual catch of 800 thousand tons of seafood is possible

    In addition, one of the world's largest deposits of rare earth elements was discovered on these islands: tantalum, rhenium, etc. I think there is no need to explain their significance
  68. 0
    16 January 2016 12: 42
    Quote: Starina_Hank
    And in Soviet times, the people on the islands had no time for shit, but now there is almost no one left! In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians! So why do we need the Kuriles ??? With such an "economic" attitude towards the territories, the zealous Japanese neighbors naturally want to have something before the Chinese "friends" have settled down to everything.

    the islands are of strategic importance for the Pacific Fleet, so there is no talk of any return to a semi-hostile state
  69. 0
    16 January 2016 12: 46
    Quote: Starina_Hank
    I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even by 10%, almost abandoned land. With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese, and the Japanese want to appropriate the Kuril Islands. And if you look more broadly, then after 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants can repeat itself with us.

    where and who did you serve? Didn't the political officers tell you such basic things? two for their service...
  70. +1
    16 January 2016 17: 59
    First, let's remember the joke:
    A Japanese woman married a Russian. Soon her mother came to visit her daughter.
    She returned from Russia and told her husband:
    - Oh, how lucky she is! They live richly: she says to him: “Give me some money!”, and he says to her: “Go get yourself!”, she will go as far as she can get. And how he loved me! All day long everyone: "Japan's mother! Japan's mother!"
    - therefore, I support the words of the author of the article:
    Now there are strong leaders in power in our countries, and therefore we must take advantage of the situation and...
    - at strong knowledge Russian language!
  71. 0
    16 January 2016 21: 47
    Judging by the way our military is settling in the Kuril Islands, Japan will get a donut hole, not an island. The USA is still an ally. How to fight against Japan, so does the USSR. And how to share the laurels of a victory won with the blood of the Russian people, so do you yourself with a mustache.

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