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Japan hurried to solve the problem of the "northern territories"

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Since the beginning of the year, Japanese politicians have attended to the conclusion of a peace treaty between Japan and Russia. 4 January this was announced by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. He described the abnormal situation when, at the end of the Second World War, because of disputes over the islands of the Kuril Ridge, a peace agreement was not signed between our countries. Abe insists on negotiations with Vladimir Putin to resolve controversial issues.


The dispute is seventy years old

A week later, the head of the ruling Japan Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), Masahiko Komura, joined the discussion. “After the end of the Second World War, 70 years have passed, and a peace treaty has not yet been signed between our countries. This is regrettable. Now in our countries there are strong leaders in power, and therefore we must take advantage of the situation and make efforts to conclude a peace treaty, ”said Komura on Monday at a meeting with the head of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Vladimir Pligin.

Strictly speaking, the essence of the dispute is only to conclude an agreement on Japanese conditions, that is, to return to them the so-called "northern territories" - the islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and a group of small islands with the general name Habomai (it includes the islands Yuri, Green, Tanfilyeva, Polonsky and Anuchin). All of these areas for a long history walked from Japan to Russia and back, until the results of the Second World War did not finally come under the jurisdiction of the USSR.

The affiliation of the islands to our country was not disputed until the 1951 year. According to the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences (these documents are signed by the leaders of the United States, Great Britain and the USSR), the condition for the Soviet Union’s participation in the war against militarist Japan was the return of South Sakhalin and the transfer of the Kuril Islands to it. The three great powers recorded this quite definitely and unequivocally. Later, the territorial changes of Japan will be reflected in the Surrender Act and Memorandum of the Allied Commander-in-Chief to the Japanese Imperial Government No. 677 of 29 in January 1946, in which all the islands north of the coast of Hokkaido, including Habomai and Shikotan, were excluded from the jurisdiction of Japan.

Fix post-war reality and the San Francisco Peace Treaty 1951 year. Japan will not only sign this document, but also ratify it, giving up "all rights, legal grounds and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and the adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty over the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5 of 1905 of the Year" .

Japan hurried to solve the problem of the "northern territories"


It would seem, everything is clear. However, under the San Francisco Treaty there is no signature of the Soviet Union. The peace agreement only matured six years after the war. By that time, the relations of the winning countries had completely deteriorated. Post-war confrontation began. The Soviet Union considered the treaty to be separate, because the representatives of the country most affected by the Japanese, China, were not allowed to attend the conference. In addition, according to the Soviet delegation, the document contained "white spots", did not take into account not only the interests of the Soviet Union and China, but also many countries of East, Southeast and South Asia, which militaristic Japan passed through the military rink.

The reason is serious, but not the main one. The Soviet Union did not sign the San Francisco Treaty, primarily because the text did not confirm the previously reached agreement that the USSR became the copyright holder of the Kuril Islands and southern Sakhalin with the adjacent islands, which Japan refused.

Experts agree that the sovereignty of the Soviet Union over the returned territories did not require binding in a peace treaty. The historian Boris Tkachenko, for example, writes: “Similarly (that is, without a peace treaty and in accordance with the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences) were transferred: to the possession of the USSR — Konigsberg with the adjacent area of ​​East Prussia; in possession of Poland - part of the territory of East Prussia and Danzig (Gdansk), Silesia and other areas of the right bank of the Oder and West Neis rivers; and in possession of Czechoslovakia - the Sudetenland. All of these territories belonged to Germany before the Second World War. ”

To understand this legal conflict, the Soviet Union and Japan decided only ten years after the war. In 1956, the Moscow Declaration of Peace was signed. After its ratification, our countries restored diplomatic relations and in fact ceased the state of war. The declaration outlined approaches to solving the territorial problem, but the Americans intervened.

Let us return once more to the works of the historian Boris Tkachenko. He writes: “US Secretary of State J. Dulles 19 August 1956, informed the Japanese foreign minister, S. Shigemitsu, in the event that“ if Japan recognizes the Soviet Union with full sovereignty over the Kurils, we will conclude that we are also entitled to full sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands "and" The United States can remain forever in Okinawa, and no Japanese government will remain in power. "

The Japanese want to play the war losses at the conference table

Since that time, Japan began to act on the orders of the Americans, to demand the return of the territories, now referred to as "northern." And very fascinated by the process. Even the day of the "northern territories" entered into her calendar. It coincided with the anniversary of the conclusion of the Simodsk agreement between Russia and Japan - February 7 (January 26 old style) 1855 of the year - and now recognizes the borders between our countries, written in the agreement of the last century.

The question - what the Japanese are so grabbed into these mostly desolate cliffs - has two unequal answers. First of all, the ocean waters near the Kuril Islands are rich in commercial fish, in which the islanders are interested. But this is not important. The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the samurai heirs. The spirit of the former empire and the memory of battles are still alive in them, when they thronged the Russian Empire on the Far Eastern frontiers.

From this arises self-confidence that the problem will be solved on Japanese terms. It was not by chance that the Japanese were actively involved in the sanctions pressure on Russia while talking about concluding a peace treaty and arrogantly hoped that, under the pressure of sanctions, the Russian President would visit Tokyo to discuss the territorial problem. Last May, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe talked about this publicly and even notified the American President of the invitation to visit Tokyo made by him to Vladimir Putin. The visit of the President of Russia was to be prepared by the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry, Fumio Kisida. He had already set out for Moscow, but canceled his trip because of a visit to the Kuril Islands by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

The demarche of the Japanese minister crossed out the previous work of the diplomats, but he demonstrated Tokyo’s intention to solve the problem with strong negotiating positions. At least that's how the Japanese saw it. They were confident in their economy, and now they pulled up the capabilities of the armed forces.

After the war, the United States took the Japanese under a protective umbrella. In September, 1951 of the year in San Francisco, Japan and the United States signed the “Security Treaty” on military alliance and cooperation. This document gave the Americans the exclusive rights to deploy their military forces in Japan, and any attack on Japan has since been considered an attack on US forces.

The doctrine has changed over the years, without affecting the essence of the treaty. In 1989, the United States called Japan "the main ally of the United States outside NATO." The possibilities of the islanders themselves were limited by national defense forces, whose actions outside the borders of the country were forbidden by the post-war constitution.

Japan overcame this ban only last fall, when its parliament allowed the Self-Defense Forces to be used to participate in military conflicts abroad. The decision was driven through by “strong leader” Shinzo Abe. There were objective reasons for this. Over the years, the Self-Defense Forces have grown to the size of the tenth army in the world. On the islands, they are already becoming cramped.

The Japanese were equipped with the latest armored vehicles and aviationbuilt a powerful modern fleet. It consists of two dozen submarines, about forty destroyers, including those with a displacement of 5000 tons. Three helicopter carriers were commissioned. The last time the Japanese fleet received such a ship last March. This is the Izumo destroyer helicopter carrier, which is close in capabilities to the French Mistrals advertised here. The Japanese fleet is waiting for another ship of this class by 2017.

One can only guess: where is this armada aimed, capable of transferring up to two thousand paratroopers with weapons under cover of fifty helicopters? Meanwhile, the Japanese are investing in the army all the new money. At 2015, the year has set a record military budget for the country, exceeding 42 billion US dollars. In a word, the demarches of Japanese politicians are built not only on national ambitions, but also on the country's military capabilities.

Now, after last year’s pause, the Japanese were in a hurry. They are looking for contacts with Russian politicians, make statements about readiness to conclude a peace treaty. Experts link this activity with the success of Russia in rearmament, which the world clearly felt last year. Despite the crisis, the pace of this rearmament is only increasing. So, the position of Russia in the world will only strengthen. Therefore, the Japanese are in a hurry with proposals to conclude a peace treaty between the countries.

Does Russia need him? Most likely no. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have got out of Tokyo. Japan also does not need peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only “northern territories” - that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them, it is a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet talk of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 14 January 2016 06: 31 New
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    The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the heirs of the samurai. The spirit of the former empire is still alive in them.

    Strange some kind of "imperial spirit", do not you? They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 14 January 2016 06: 43 New
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      Quote: Ami du peuple
      The return of territories lost in the war requires the pride of the heirs of the samurai. The spirit of the former empire is still alive in them.

      Strange some kind of "imperial spirit", do not you? They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

      Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.
      1. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 14 January 2016 07: 57 New
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        There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

        Rationale: genocide of the Ainu people, to whom the island belonged.

        Ainu did not conclude a peace treaty with Japan)))
        1. kumaxa
          kumaxa 14 January 2016 08: 36 New
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          on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and return Alaska and a couple of other states including California.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 14 January 2016 10: 49 New
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            Quote: kumaxa
            on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and return Alaska and a couple of other states including California.

            Once California, San Francisco, a number of forts including Fort Ross belonged to Russia.
            1. Sergei 34
              Sergei 34 16 January 2016 14: 43 New
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              Part of California really was, when it was, Russian. It was with Fort Ross. But the Spaniards founded San Francisco and this district (and city) had nothing to do with Russia.
          2. spiriolla-45
            spiriolla-45 15 January 2016 12: 08 New
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            Everything has its time.
        2. Boos
          Boos 14 January 2016 11: 37 New
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          You're right! And the entire "Japanese" culture was adopted from the Ainu people with white skin and beard carriers.
        3. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 14 New
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          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

          Yes, so to speak a counter offer! And why, actually not!
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 January 2016 11: 12 New
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        Quote: chikenous59
        Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.

        There is another good phrase for trolling the Japanese:
        War cancels all treaties.
        (c) Komura Jutaro and Takahira Kogoro

        The fact is that in the matter of belonging to the "northern territories" the Japanese are very fond of referring to the border treaties concluded before 1945 - even with the Russian Empire. So it’s worth reminding them that at the Portsmouth negotiations of 1905, the Russian representative, Count Sergey Witte, trying to reprimand for St. Petersburg the rights to Sakhalin Island, referred to the agreement of 1875, according to which Russia had already given all the Kuril Islands to Japan for this land. The answer of the Japanese side is given above.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 14 January 2016 18: 43 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          Japanese response given

          It is with this answer of Japan that she needs to answer: "War cancels ALL Treaties!"
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 15 January 2016 13: 01 New
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        Quote: chikenous59
        I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.


        And what is there to be offended. I have already spoken out about this. The war for Japan ended in surrender, or simply put, a loss of sovereignty. So, in principle, the so-called problem of the northern territories is not a problem of Japan, but a problem of the allies, in particular the USSR and the USA, which they decided in Yalta to mutual satisfaction. Moreover, I quote: They will record the post-war reality in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty. Japan will not only sign this document, but ratify it, renouncing “all rights, legal bases and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and the adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty under the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5, 1905” . Russia, as the successor, is already using everything ready-made, and Japan in this situation, of course, has nothing to do with it. And all these "northern territories" are just their Wishlist.

        Although, frankly, I don’t know how it is now, by the beginning of the XNUMXs our warriors, as temporary workers, had dirtied these Kuril Islands in such a way that the Japanese could only see such things after Fukushima.
      4. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 16 January 2016 13: 59 New
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        Quote: chikenous59
        Having violated the principles of diplomacy, tell them the same phrase) I think the Japanese will be offended and will remain silent for another half a century.

        They need to be reminded of another phrase. Moreover, the said, mind you, not us
        At the Portsmouth negotiations of the 1905 of the year, the Russian representative Count Sergey Witte, trying to claim the rights to Sakhalin for St. Petersburg, referred to the agreement of the 1875 of the year, according to which Russia had already given all the Kuril Islands to Japan for this land. But the Japanese negotiators Komura (小 村 壽 太郎) and Takahira (高平 小五郎) then told Witte: “War cancels all treaties.”

    2. venaya
      venaya 14 January 2016 06: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Strange some kind of "imperial spirit", do not you?

      Here we can talk only about the "imperial spirit" of a foreign empire, and the nationalist spirit (even in the Japanese religion) has been adopted by a completely different nation, which now rules on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 14 January 2016 07: 31 New
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        Quote: venaya
        Here we can talk only about the "imperial spirit" of a foreign empire, and the nationalist spirit (even in the Japanese religion) has been adopted by a completely different nation, which now rules on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

        If you don’t understand that we are talking about Pacific Fleet access to the ocean. During the Second World War, Japan, at the request of Germany, closed the straits for the merchant fleet of the USSR, and taking into account the fact that Churchill refused to send convoys to Murmansk and Arkhangelsk before the polar nights in 1942 created problems Lend-Lease and supplying the USSR with the necessary equipment and materials. Here is a link to the material. http://www.redov.ru/istorija/serp_i_molot_protiv_samuraiskogo_m
        echa / p6.
        php # metkadoc7
    3. Pig
      Pig 14 January 2016 07: 40 New
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      "four rocks in the ocean" is only the beginning ... and then the rest of the islands will be and then they will remember about Sakhalin!
      as they say - give a finger, tear off your hand
      and it will also be a precedent that turns all post-war treaties into a piece of paper
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 15 January 2016 22: 05 New
        +2
        I want to say, evolution, evolution, and the right of the strong is still there - as long as you have strong and developed military forces in the Russian Federation, the unity of citizens and strong pro-government power-the Russian Federation can put on the tricks of the Japanese and other types of lights of democracy. And God forbid RUSSIA FROM patriots such as the current government in Ukraine.
      2. Sergei 34
        Sergei 34 16 January 2016 14: 47 New
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        That's right. So you can’t save any volosts. You will start picking at birch bark letters and it turns out that Russia does not belong at all.
    4. Griboedoff
      Griboedoff 14 January 2016 07: 55 New
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      "Four rocks in the ocean." This is too understated. Even the group of Habomai islands deserves a higher rating. But in general, the South Kuril Islands are quite valuable for Russia:
      - here are the only non-freezing straits (the straits between the northern Kuril Islands freeze) that provide access to the Pacific Ocean through Russian territorial waters.
      - in the case of the transition of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, Russia will lose the ability to control the entry of foreign ships and submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is the combat service area of ​​strategic missile submarine cruisers of the Pacific Fleet.
      - The hydrocarbon reserves on the continental shelf are estimated at 1,6 billion tons of standard fuel (the newspaper provides calculations for 2004 - approx. Ed.). Gold resources on the islands are estimated at 1867 tons, silver - at 9284 tons, titanium - at 39,7 million tons, iron - at 273 million tons. There are steam hydrothermal deposits, deposits of polymetallic ores, 117 million tons of sulfur. At Iturup, the annual removal with gases of a rare rhenium metal, which is more expensive than gold, is 36 tons, which corresponds to its annual world consumption.
      - The total area of ​​the islands is 5 thousand square meters. km (it is five times smaller than the Crimea, but still a lot)
      - In the area of ​​these islands, an annual catch of 800 thousand tons of seafood is possible
      1. The black
        The black 14 January 2016 11: 29 New
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        EVERYTHING IS TRUE! Strategically, these “four cliffs in the ocean” are crucial
      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 14 January 2016 17: 45 New
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        And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left! In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians! So why do we need the Kuril Islands ??? With such an "economic" attitude towards the territories, zealous Japanese neighbors naturally want to have something until the Chinese "friends" have settled down.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 18: 02 New
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          Quote: Starina_Hank
          And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left!

          Quote: Starina_Hank
          So why do we need the Kuril Islands ???

          I do not understand the logic, since when is the value of a territory measured in the amount of its population?
          You will not believe us, even in the overpopulated central region, in some forests for tens of kilometers, not a single settlement - can we give these forests away too, if nobody lives in them?
          By the way, Japan and its uninhabited islands also have plenty, and there are also uninhabited forests where there are not even a soul for tens of kilometers - in Japan, too, the population does not live evenly - but let Japan give us its uninhabited islands better if no one lives there! fellow
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians!

          True true?
          And on the Arabian Peninsula there are many times more “migrant workers” of indigenous Aborigines, and in Israel there are probably more citizens of other countries than citizens of Israel itself, look at the “problems” more widely! hi
          1. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 14 January 2016 19: 27 New
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            I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even by 10%, almost abandoned land. With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese, and the Japanese want to appropriate the Kuril Islands. And if you look more broadly, then after 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants can repeat itself with us.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 20: 08 New
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              Quote: Starina_Hank
              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              I explain popularly that we have a population density of about 8 people per square kilometer (with the “average” in the world about 53) and given the tendency of modern society to urbanize, that is, to live as compactly as possible for this population, we have “abandoned” land with such the strength will always be 90%.
              At the same time, let it be known to you, in many countries (including China) there are territories where the population density is even lower than in our Far East hi
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese

              The population density of the Primorsky Territory is 6 times higher than the population density of Mongolia, probably 12 times higher than the population density of Tibet and is more than the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region more than problematic for China.
              So everything is relative hi
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              and the Kuriles want to appropriate the Japanese.

              And in the USA they write that the Russians want to appropriate Alaska, and by the way, the density of Alaska is 25 times lower than the density of the Primorsky Territory - and another 10% of the population of Alaska is Russian! Take it? Everything is only FOR! fellow
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              in 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants may repeat itself with us.

              It cannot, unlike the EU, we have labor migrants, they go here to work and work.
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 14 January 2016 20: 33 New
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              Starina_Hank RU  Today, 19:27 ↑ New


              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              What is your business? If I have two apartments and I live in one, and the second is empty, then should I give it to a large neighbor?
              1. Sergei 34
                Sergei 34 16 January 2016 14: 54 New
                0
                Bravo! "I, I, Kemsk parish")) What all the good ones have become. Not to give your own.
            3. Idiot
              Idiot 14 January 2016 20: 33 New
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              Starina_Hank RU  Today, 19:27 ↑ New


              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              What is your business? If I have two apartments and I live in one, and the second is empty, then should I give it to a large neighbor?
          2. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 14 January 2016 19: 27 New
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            I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even by 10%, almost abandoned land. With such a density of the Russian population, Primorye will be populated by the Chinese, and the Japanese want to appropriate the Kuril Islands. And if you look more broadly, then after 10-15 years, the European picture with emigrants can repeat itself with us.
            1. Pomeranian
              Pomeranian 15 January 2016 09: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              I explain it popularly. The Kuril Islands are not used by Russia even at 10%, almost abandoned land.

              Excuse me, what do you think: use on 10% and what should use on all 100% look like? There is a suspicion that you are building assumptions on articles from the New and Soft Newspaper.
        2. Griboedoff
          Griboedoff 14 January 2016 18: 16 New
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          Have you ever been to Primorye at least once? There are fewer Chinese than in Moscow.
          1. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 14 January 2016 19: 35 New
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            I willingly believe you! However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 20: 17 New
              +8
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?

              And in the United States in New York, 30 times more Americans live than in all of Alaska, neighboring us - doesn’t this seem to them a problem?
              PS No, on the whole, I agree that we have few people living in the Urals compared with the European part - but there is no need to cause panic here, especially since the 20 million people living in Moscow will have nothing to do in Kamchatka or Sakhalin - and don’t you understand why ?!
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 24 New
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              Quote: Starina_Hank
              However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?

              There are fewer Russians in Antrachtid than in Moscow, and fewer on the Moon, and this is natural, therefore, our capital is Moscow, and not the city of Krasnoplanetsk
          2. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 14 January 2016 19: 35 New
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            I willingly believe you! However, in the whole of Primorye, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka, and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, there are significantly fewer Russians than in Moscow, does this not seem to you a problem?
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 14 January 2016 20: 44 New
              +6
              Well, go there and increase the percentage of the Russian population. Although I'm not sure about your nationality.
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 14 January 2016 20: 44 New
              +1
              Well, go there and increase the percentage of the Russian population. Although I'm not sure about your nationality.
        3. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian 15 January 2016 09: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Starina_Hank
          And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left!

          When was the last time you were there?
        4. Lieutenant colonel
          Lieutenant colonel 15 January 2016 11: 08 New
          +1
          You can more precisely about the Chinese - I live in Primorye and own a question. I want an answer from you and where do you live, if not secret?
        5. kuz363
          kuz363 15 January 2016 11: 22 New
          -2
          Be quiet, traitor! Fear, they will come soon for you. And you will go to southern Kolyma to get gold
        6. puppet
          puppet 15 January 2016 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Starina_Hank
          So why do we need the Kuril Islands ???


          Do you often polish your car? give it to me - I’ll treat her better! yes
        7. uragan114
          uragan114 15 January 2016 18: 06 New
          +2
          Kemska volost? - Yes, take it!
          - "What are you, your royal face, squandering state lands?" (from)
          The post above saw n
          This is why the Kuril Islands are for us:

          Quote: Griboedoff
          "Four rocks in the ocean." This is too understated. Even the group of Habomai islands deserves a higher rating. But in general, the South Kuril Islands are quite valuable for Russia:
          - here are the only non-freezing straits (the straits between the northern Kuril Islands freeze) that provide access to the Pacific Ocean through Russian territorial waters.
          - in the case of the transition of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, Russia will lose the ability to control the entry of foreign ships and submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is the combat service area of ​​strategic missile submarine cruisers of the Pacific Fleet.
          - The hydrocarbon reserves on the continental shelf are estimated at 1,6 billion tons of standard fuel (the newspaper provides calculations for 2004 - approx. Ed.). Gold resources on the islands are estimated at 1867 tons, silver - at 9284 tons, titanium - at 39,7 million tons, iron - at 273 million tons. There are steam hydrothermal deposits, deposits of polymetallic ores, 117 million tons of sulfur. At Iturup, the annual removal with gases of a rare rhenium metal, which is more expensive than gold, is 36 tons, which corresponds to its annual world consumption.
          - The total area of ​​the islands is 5 thousand square meters. km (it is five times smaller than the Crimea, but still a lot)
          - In the area of ​​these islands, an annual catch of 800 thousand tons of seafood is possible
      3. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 14 January 2016 17: 45 New
        -16
        And in Soviet times, the people on the islands did not have a damn, and now almost no one is left! In Primorye there are more Chinese than Russians! So why do we need the Kuril Islands ??? With such an "economic" attitude towards the territories, zealous Japanese neighbors naturally want to have something until the Chinese "friends" have settled down.
    5. kumaxa
      kumaxa 14 January 2016 08: 28 New
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      and that is true. the Yankees, through japs, once again want to bother our nerves. the contract is an agreement The Yankees themselves signed it.
    6. sa-zz
      sa-zz 14 January 2016 09: 20 New
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      “On August 19, 1956, US Secretary of State J. Dulles informed the Japanese Foreign Minister S. Shigemitsu that if“ Japan recognizes the Soviet Union full sovereignty over the Kuril Islands, we will conclude that we also have the right to full sovereignty over the islands Ryukyu ”and“ The United States can forever remain in Okinawa, and not a single Japanese government can hold on to power. ”

      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Strange some kind of "imperial spirit", do not you? They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

      And again, we are faced with an artificially created, "overseas partners", situation of frozen conflict to deter Japanese from cooperation with Russia. We even offered them: give us two islands - two for you, but they require all four. So get a donut hole until they understand simple things.
      For some reason, the author did not write that the Kuril Islands have important military-strategic and economic significance for Russia. In the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, besides, there are strategic submarines of Russia, and through the Kuril Islands access to the Pacific Ocean, therefore, the minke whales drove the Japanese into this trap, and they were led and are still being carried on.
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    7. Edvagan
      Edvagan 14 January 2016 09: 21 New
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      "Four rocks in the ocean" are equal in area to the Netherlands. Iturup is not as small as it seems from the European part of Russia
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 14 January 2016 09: 58 New
        +4
        Inurup is slightly larger than Luxembourg or 1% of the area of ​​the Japanese islands.
        Sense to give these islands, I do not see. Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 16: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: ism_ek
          Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.

          A vassal is a vassal, but does the USA admit that they are “customers” of the claim fellow
      2. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 14 January 2016 13: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Edvagan
        Iturup is not as small as it seems from the European part of Russia

        I absolutely agree

        Quote: Edvagan
        Four cliffs in the ocean "equal in area to the Netherlands

        And here you are bent maltz (at least if you meant the land area):
        area of ​​the Netherlands - 41 528 km²
        the area of ​​the South Kuril Islands is about 5 km², which, in general, is also a lot
    8. CHILD
      CHILD 14 January 2016 10: 14 New
      +3
      ... but somehow the same explanations do not even come out more convincing for the fifth time))) .... there are many Japanese on the islands, there are also Chinese nearby .... and they don’t like each other even more than us, here we are probably it’s not worth it ... well, that everyone knows different international treaties)))
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 15 January 2016 20: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: KIND
        ... but somehow the same explanations do not even come out more convincing for the fifth time))) .... there are many Japanese on the islands, there are also Chinese nearby .... and they don’t like each other even more than us, here we are probably it’s not worth it ... well, that everyone knows different international treaties)))

        Do not forget one more "non-lovers" -Sev. Korea.
        There generally formed a "club to the teeth of armed neutrality." And everyone wants to pit neighbors among themselves.
        The Japanese forces, the military, of course, built up great forces. But they were not lucky with their territory. The country is scattered on the islands, it’s not particularly maneuvering, there are no land borders with us, a sudden landing operation will not work. And landing today can go unpunished only Antarctica.
        In my opinion, this will be a long time. All these tantrums are already included in the election promises of every Prime Minister and Minister of Japan. Well, in Russia you should not even pay attention to these cries. In general, any negotiations should be held after the sanctions are lifted.
    9. Sweles
      Sweles 14 January 2016 10: 26 New
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      what other Kuril Islands? let Hokayda give, our people live there, oppressed Ainu ...

      Ain pozhzh on Leo Tolstoy, as his brother and his name is Ivan, and the Bering Strait was generally called ANINISK ...
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    11. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 14 January 2016 12: 21 New
      +2
      There were only two pieces. And the rest is even nothing!
    12. lelyk72
      lelyk72 14 January 2016 13: 21 New
      +5
      I think we have a second series:
      “Let us return once more to the work of historian Boris Tkachenko. He writes:“ US Secretary of State J. Dulles informed the Japanese Foreign Minister S. Shigemitsu on August 19, 1956 that if “Japan recognizes the Soviet Union full sovereignty over the Kuril Islands, we we conclude that we also have the right to full sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands "and" the United States can forever remain in Okinawa, and no Japanese government will remain in power. "
      The current Japanese stirring has the same basis - IMHO.
      1. Kyustenkats
        Kyustenkats 14 January 2016 15: 22 New
        +3
        What is the point of fearing the conditions of the Americans if they already have bases there in Okinawa?
    13. Pilot
      Pilot 14 January 2016 14: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Require four cliffs in the ocean

      It’s not a matter of the rocks, but what they are afraid of and around, the “devils” are us, therefore they are friends with the Americans. Otherwise, their bases would have been thrown into the ocean long ago. Yes, even for Nagasaki.
    14. ava09
      ava09 14 January 2016 15: 14 New
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      (C) The question - why did the Japanese cling to these largely uninhabited rocks - has two unequal answers. First of all, the ocean waters near the Kuril Islands are rich in commercial fish, in which the islanders are interested. But this is not the main thing. The return of territories lost in the war requires pride of the heirs of the samurai. They still have the spirit of the former empire and the memory of the battles when they pressed the Russian Empire on the Far Eastern borders. (C)
      The author of the material, okay, he can be a provocateur of notes, but the “commentator”, supported by many of the same “folded ears, causes caution: (C) Four cliffs in the ocean require (C)
      These "four cliffs in the ocean" block TVD access to virtually the entire Pacific Fleet, with one stroke of a pen turning it from the Ocean and Strategic fleets into the OVR flotilla. And if someone asks: What about the base in Vilyuchinsk? The answer is simple - it will be cut off from the repair base! And why didn’t it occur to any of the “strategists” of the above, because there are not enough illustrative examples of blocking fleets in closed waters, for example: Port Arthur, the Baltic Fleet, blocked in the Gulf of Finland for almost the entire period of the Great Patriotic War. In addition, all the works on the recognition of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as Russian, down the drain. And the blood of grandfathers and great-grandfathers?
    15. qwert
      qwert 14 January 2016 15: 46 New
      +4
      So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific. Now they will begin to unwind this problem. Perhaps more than one year. And there they will see where the balance of power moves. But given that we are only building corvettes now, and the PAKF ordered 12 pieces, the hopes of the Japs are not hopeless. Do they understand this upstairs? Definitely. But whether they are ready to reconsider the tremendous pace of rearmament, this is a question ...
      1. red_october
        red_october 14 January 2016 17: 33 New
        +2
        According to our military doctrine, the priority direction is the Atlantic and the North. Pacific Fleet somewhere in the end.
        But, as it turns out, the Pacific Fleet needs to be actively saturated - to start at least with the recently announced 22800 RTO Karakurt with the 8 Caliber on each - this will solve many problems. They only planned to build 18, maybe 6 pcs. will get to the Pacific Fleet (they won’t go to the SF). Then we pull up frigates and corvettes from the Redoubt zonal air defense system, which we have learned to build at least somehow ... Don’t forget about the submarines - we can rivet the same Varshavyanka for the 3 of the year - now we’ll close the series for the Black Sea Fleet and slowly build for Pacific Fleet, and the production of everything that can be localized in the Far East. Why are Karakurt RTOs with a displacement of 800 tons only built on Pella? They say - the boat is simple, that the Far Eastern plants can not cope? Parallel to launch in Crimea, let them get involved in "industrialization" and in the military-industrial complex and do for their Black Sea Fleet.
        The promised destroyer Leader will not wait soon, not to mention the aircraft carrier, so concentrate on real goals
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 19 New
          0
          Quote: red_october
          According to our military doctrine, the priority direction is the Atlantic and the North. Pacific Fleet somewhere in the end.

          Who told you this bike? AND!
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      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: qwert
        So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific.

        This is not their concern and beyond their capabilities and understanding. Here, even Amers this care is too tough, not like the Japanese.
    16. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 16: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Require four cliffs in the ocean

      Not rocks, but the sea around the rocks.
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      but put up with the deployment of occupation forces on its territory.

      And where do they go then fellow
    17. tol100v
      tol100v 14 January 2016 18: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

      This is most likely the 52nd staff of the SGA! Without the knowledge of the State Department, such an activity "about the world" would never have happened! The escalation of tension in the region, and it’s immediately clear where Ears grow from, not to be confused with sushi and sake!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 14 January 2016 21: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Tol100v
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

        This is most likely the 52nd staff of the SGA! Without the knowledge of the State Department, such an activity "about the world" would never have happened! The escalation of tension in the region, and it’s immediately clear where Ears grow from, not to be confused with sushi and sake!

        The ears are more likely to grow not from the United States, but Japan is simply afraid of a military alliance between China and Russia. At this moment, a pragmatic rather than political approach is more likely. The appearance of two opponents in the region does not please the Japanese at all and for this reason they want to protect themselves even by treaty, legal understanding, we are still at war. The agreement may contain, in addition to solving territorial problems, certain conditions - on the recognition of borders, territorial integrity and non-aggression.
        1. Schulz
          Schulz 14 January 2016 22: 07 New
          -3
          Quote: APASUS
          Japan is simply afraid of the military alliance between China and Russia.

          And this alliance is about to be created. wink

          Quote: APASUS
          The agreement may contain, in addition to solving territorial problems, certain conditions - on the recognition of borders, territorial integrity and non-aggression.

          Especially looking at Ukraine and understanding how such an agreement helped her, Japan does not understand how she still lived without it.
          Do not stop, continue to analyze further. good
          1. Pomeranian
            Pomeranian 15 January 2016 10: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Schulz
            And this alliance is about to be created

            This is a bit trickier. China and Japan are courting Russia like a girl of extradition. They have a serious problem that threatens to escalate into an armed conflict over the Senkaku (Diaoyudao) archipelago. And on whose side Russia takes the side, the islands will be won. So the Russian Foreign Ministry has every chance to collect more bonuses, check points and mana from both "wives".
            1. Schulz
              Schulz 15 January 2016 14: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Pomoryanin

              China and Japan are courting Russia as a girl of extradition.

              And you can a couple of examples of this "courtship", because for example, I do not notice something.
              1. Pomeranian
                Pomeranian 15 January 2016 15: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Schulz
                And you can a couple of examples of this "courtship", because for example, I do not notice something.

                "Do you see a gopher? - No. - And I do not. But he is!" Quote from the movie DMB.
                Yes please. Comrade C at the 9 May Parade. Japan's September offer on mutual settlements in national currencies and the upcoming abolition of visas. The Chinese proposal for the development of the EAEU and for the start of work on the northern branch of the Silk Road, etc. etc. I have a clear proposal that there is a bargain: who will pull Russia to their side. For at stake is not only the ill-fated archipelago, but strategic leadership in the Far East.
                1. Schulz
                  Schulz 15 January 2016 16: 21 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Pomoryanin

                  Yes please. Comrade Xi at the May 9th parade.

                  Example knocks down. And can we assume that everyone else who was at the parade "courted" us?

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Japan's September offer on settlements in national currencies

                  Can I link to this amazing news?

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  and on the start of work on the northern branch of the Silk Road

                  And I thought that the Great Silk Road through Georgia went and not through Russia, but you will correct me now. By reference, as usual, and then move on to "etc. etc.".

                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  I have a clear proposal that there is a bargain: who will pull Russia to their side.

                  Well then, you have to write that it’s “your assumption” (you really wanted to write this word?). And not as an indisputable fact.
                  1. Pomeranian
                    Pomeranian 15 January 2016 17: 34 New
                    +2
                    1.
                    Quote: Schulz
                    Example knocks down. And can we assume that everyone else who was at the parade "courted" us?

                    You are my benefactor, it is not my fault that you do not know the diplomatic protocol. Who is standing next to him at a significant celebration for the country is his best friend.
                    Quote: Schulz
                    Can I link to this amazing news?

                    2. Nate, I do not mind: http: //www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/55e97a489a794763e937b5cc,
                    Quote: Schulz
                    And I thought that the Great Silk Road through Georgia went and not through Russia, but you will correct me now. By reference, as usual, and then move on to "etc. etc.".

                    Well, my dear, do you want to arrange an educational program? Dismiss The Silk Road has two branches: the South through the countries of Central Asia and Georgia, the north through Russia. Well, the prosecutor will provide you with a link if you are not trained to use reference resources.
                    .
                    Quote: Schulz
                    Well then, you have to write that it’s “your assumption” (you really wanted to write this word?). And not as an indisputable fact.

                    C'mon, old man. What. refuse me logical thinking and ability to analyze? Do not measure all by yourself. If anything, I’m sorry for being rude ..
                    1. Schulz
                      Schulz 15 January 2016 19: 17 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      You are my benefactor, it is not my fault that you do not know the diplomatic protocol. Who is standing next to him at a significant celebration for the country is his best friend.

                      Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      2. Nate, I do not mind: http: //www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/55e97a489a794763e937b5cc,

                      And now we look at what you wrote and what is written in the link you provided.
                      Are you:
                      Japan's September proposal for mutual settlements in national currencies

                      URL:
                      Japan suggests Russia to think over partial transition to settlements in yen instead of the dollar to minimize business risks. Tadashi Maeda, senior managing director of the Japan Bank for International Cooperation, said this at the Eastern Economic Forum, RIA Novosti reports.

                      This is what you call "national settlements currencies"?"
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      Well, the prosecutor will provide you a link if you are not trained to use reference resources.

                      Those. no link? I thought so.
                      Quote: Pomoryanin

                      C'mon, old man. What. refuse me logical thinking and ability to analyze? Do not measure all by yourself.

                      1. Old people live in the next entrance.
                      2. I do not refuse logical thinking (for now). Just have a personal opinion and an indisputable fact, and these are completely different things. Think about it at your leisure.
                      If that, and I call.
                2. Oleg14774
                  Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  "Do you see a gopher? - No. - And I do not. But he is!"

                  About the ground squirrel it is noticed correctly, but here it is only in the field and no matter how not at sea!
            2. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              They have a serious problem that threatens to escalate into an armed conflict over the Senkaku (Diaoyudao) archipelago. And on whose side Russia will speak, the islands will be won.

              This does not depend much on Russia, because it doesn’t need it for nothing, to interfere in someone’s conflict. Do the Chinese help us greatly in Syria?
              1. Pomeranian
                Pomeranian 15 January 2016 20: 59 New
                +1
                Something you most respectable between the trees of the forest do not see.
                Well, I will answer the points:
                1.
                Quote: Oleg147741

                Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                Yes
                2.
                Quote: Schulz
                What do you call "settlements in national currencies"?

                Of course. Avoiding the dollar is worth a lot. Yes, in addition, in order for Japan to buy something in Russia, for example, from the Sakhalin-2 deposit, it needs to pay yen. But Russia might think: take them or not. Maybe the yuan is better.
                Quote: Schulz
                Those. no link? I thought so.

                3. What do you call "settlements in national currencies"? I believe that in Russia there is no punishment for the inability to use search engines? It's a pity. Would you sit down recourse
                4.
                Quote: Schulz
                .Old people live in the next entrance.
                2. I do not refuse logical thinking (for now). Just have a personal opinion and an indisputable fact, and these are completely different things. Think about it at your leisure.

                Yes, I understood that I’m talking with a “passionate youth with a burning heart”. Believing that on the Internet sites there are entirely creative office managers. Alas, I will disappoint you. I do not belong to them.
                4.
                Quote: Oleg147741
                About the ground squirrel it is noticed correctly, but here it is only in the field and no matter how not at sea!

                Have you ever been to Sakhalin Oblast? Just do not tell me fairy tales - I will catch on lies instantly. At sea, there is also a lot of things that are not shown to the eye, but there are.
                5.
                Quote: Oleg147741
                Do the Chinese help us greatly in Syria?

                Uhhh? Not understood? Why should the Chinese in Syria help us if their interest in Iran’s de facto allied Russia?
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                4. Schulz
                  Schulz 16 January 2016 10: 36 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Pomoryanin
                  Something you most respectable between the trees of the forest do not see.
                  Well, I will answer the points:
                  1.
                  Quote: Oleg147741

                  Those. Does the fact that the Chinese prime minister was placed next to Putin prove that China is courting Russia? Did I understand correctly?

                  Yes

                  Those. The Russian leader was placed near Putin by the Russian side, nothing depended on him, and this is proved by “courting”? No, if in China they put Putin next to Xi in the parade, then it’s as if one could pull one’s ears to “courtship”, but in Moscow ... You have more convincing facts of “courtship”, because examples like : "He smiled so sincerely and broadly at us and this proves that ..." unlike you, they don’t really convince me.
                  Of course. Avoiding the dollar is worth a lot. Yes, in addition, in order for Japan to buy something in Russia, for example, from the Sakhalin-2 deposit, it needs to pay yen. But Russia might think: take them or not. Maybe the yuan is better.

                  First you write about: "Japan’s September proposal for mutual settlements in national currencies"implying calculations in both yen and in rubles. Then provide a link where it says about the offer of calculations of Japan ONLY in yen and begin to smoothly move off the topic. Well, where are the calculations in rubles?
                  I believe that in Russia there is no punishment for the inability to use search engines? It's a pity. Would you sit down

                  Well, teach me how to use search engines. Show me how actively the northern branch is being implemented. And it turns out that I caught you for the second time in a lie.
                  Yes, I understood that I’m talking with a “passionate youth with a burning heart”. Believing that on the Internet sites there are entirely creative office managers. Alas, I will disappoint you. I do not belong to them.

                  Where did you go? Arguments ended before they started?
                  1. Pomeranian
                    Pomeranian 16 January 2016 11: 06 New
                    0
                    I don’t like my version - suggest yours in the light of the Sino-Japanese conflict around the archipelago and the end. And then they started to look for an error in the 119 sign.
                    1. Schulz
                      Schulz 16 January 2016 12: 04 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pomoryanin
                      I don’t like my version - suggest yours in the light of the Sino-Japanese conflict around the archipelago and the end. And then they started to look for an error in the 119 sign.

                      What, the "analyst" was blown away and do not even resent that you were convicted twice in a lie?
                      Just do not tell me fairy tales - I will catch on lies instantly.

                      lol
                      1. Pomeranian
                        Pomeranian 16 January 2016 12: 53 New
                        0
                        Quote: Schulz
                        What, the "analyst" was blown away and do not even resent that you were convicted twice in a lie?

                        I have seen such such convicts. I don’t have my own thoughts, but I don’t “analyze” the strangers - don’t feed them bread. What’s the lie? The fact that China and Japan are interested in Russia in the conflict over the islands? Or what are they trying to make of Russia their ally in case of war? Do not blow the cheeks, just take it and look at the material on the Senkaku Islands and the deal with the end. Or can’t I find the link myself?
                      2. Schulz
                        Schulz 16 January 2016 13: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pomoryanin
                        feed. What's the lie?

                        1. The fact that Japan never offered calculations in national currencies.
                        2. The fact that the implementation of the northern branch of the Great Silk Road "is in full swing."
                      3. Pomeranian
                        Pomeranian 16 January 2016 14: 00 New
                        0
                        Quote: Schulz
                        1. The fact that Japan has never offered to calculate in national currencies.

                        That is, the yen is not the national currency of Japan? Or is it important for you in CURRENCIES. How do you know what Russia proposed in response to Japan - it may even switch to rubles.
                        Quote: Schulz
                        The fact that the implementation of the northern branch of the Great Silk Road "is in full swing."

                        You see, I have federal channels in my native 6 outback, and only China catches from the radio. So they say that with the "New Silk Road" everything is fine. Call Beijing, ask if they are lying.
                      4. Schulz
                        Schulz 16 January 2016 15: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pomoryanin

                        That is, the yen is not the national currency of Japan? Or is it important for you in CURRENCIES. How do you know what Russia proposed in response to Japan - it may even switch to rubles.

                        Maybe she suggested, or maybe ... Maybe she didn't offer anything. It’s not funny for you to write this yourself?
                        Once again (the last one): you said that Japan offered settlements in currencies i.e. in yens and rubles. I told you that in rubles I did not offer. And so it turned out. Those. you lied.
                        Quote: Pomoryanin

                        You see, I have federal channels in my native 6 outback, and only China catches from the radio. So they say that with the "New Silk Road" everything is fine. Call Beijing, ask if they are lying.

                        It makes no difference to me how many federal channels and radio stations you have. You said that I don’t know how to use a search engine, and if you could, you found a bunch of confirmations that everything is fine with the northern branch. Why should I talk about what you heard on TV, radio, in a trolleybus, from grandmothers at the entrance, etc.? Show me a confirmation of your words. There's no such thing? So you lied twice.
                        PS: And you still asked: do I refuse you logical thinking and the ability to analyze. one hundred%.
                      5. Pomeranian
                        Pomeranian 17 January 2016 12: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: Schulz
                        Show me a confirmation of your words. There's no such thing? So you lied twice.

                        That is, you say that I was not mistaken, but I personally lied to you intentionally? I own what information I use. However, you are not an authority for me to justify yourself to you.
                        I have the honor!
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  2. APASUS
    APASUS 15 January 2016 16: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Schulz
    Especially looking at Ukraine and understanding how such an agreement helped her, Japan does not understand how she still lived without it. Don't stop continue ana

    Such an agreement may not be an obstacle in the event of a conflict, but it does give the right to some countries to accuse us of aggression and take part in the war on the side of Japan.
    1. Schulz
      Schulz 15 January 2016 16: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: APASUS

      Such an agreement may not be an obstacle in case of conflict, but it gives the right to some countries to accuse us of aggression.

      But there is no agreement - ergo, no one dares to reproach us in aggression, right?
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 21 New
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Japan is afraid of the military alliance of China and Russia

    And why are they afraid of him, China will manage there himself!
    But the islands to Russian-Chinese relations are not a single side at all.
  • Dembel77
    Dembel77 14 January 2016 21: 52 New
    0
    For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not be lulled by the sweet speeches of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
    Wonderful article ending! I think that these are not just words, but the conclusion: we will never give up our lands - enough to squander already acquired!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 28 New
      -2
      Quote: Dembel 77
      Wonderful article ending!

      Which does not justify the early voiced garbage.
  • Kindof
    Kindof 14 January 2016 21: 24 New
    +1
    The "Four Cliffs" under the flag of the Russian Federation give reason to consider the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as completely territorial waters of the Russian Federation - and this = gateway to the northern sea route and to the Arctic
  • avebersek
    avebersek 14 January 2016 23: 11 New
    0
    Well, whoever pays the one and orders the music)
  • CRASH
    CRASH 14 January 2016 23: 25 New
    +2
    The point is not in 4 rocks! And in territorial waters! In which dofiga crab, etc. the resources that our border guards at least protect. Look at the map, what piece of "water" they will cut off, having received Shikatan and Kunashir!
  • c3r
    c3r 15 January 2016 05: 35 New
    -3
    This is a "hybrid" imperial spirit. Do not pay attention, now it is so fashionable!
  • vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 15 January 2016 07: 37 New
    +1
    The Japanese just like air need a "peace treaty." It’s not comfortable for the Yapis to have such a powerful power as Russia and be at war with it at the same time. It seems to me that they are now simply rocky and arranged, but on their terms, so as not to lose face.
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 15 January 2016 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: vkfriendly
      It’s not comfortable for Yapis to have such a powerful power as Russia near and at the same time be at war with it.

      There are as many such historical incidents. Liechtenstein is still at war with Prussia, and Texas with the United States. And nothing live.
  • Goga101
    Goga101 15 January 2016 09: 10 New
    +1
    Ami du peuple - And the "spirit" has nothing to do with it, everything is much simpler and more material:
    if you give the islands away, the same thing will happen with the Pacific Fleet as with the Black Sea Fleet and with the Baltic Fleet - it will be locked within the same sea, you can forget about the ocean, that's why the USA kick the “proud” samurai, inciting them to Russia, and everything else - fish, imperial spirit and so on - smoke screen nothing more hi
  • ordinary
    ordinary 15 January 2016 10: 35 New
    0
    YES ... SPECIAL SPIRIT ... SHOWER .... wassat
  • puppet
    puppet 15 January 2016 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.


    this is a national peculiarity: for example, they were very cruel in China because they thought the more cruel the more the Chinese would be scared and become silk - strange logic, right?

    but if you look at how they reconcile with the invaders on their territory, it becomes clear that in 1945 they really were scared for life (and a person, as you know, measures everything by himself)

    it's just not clear how the samurai spirit fits in with this ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 30 New
      0
      Quote: pupazzo
      it's just not clear how the samurai spirit fits in with this ...

      The spirit of the samurai is a brand advertised by television; in fact, samurai are mediocre soldiers.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 15 January 2016 20: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        The spirit of the samurai is a brand advertised by television; in fact, samurai are mediocre soldiers.

        But they dashingly and poetically dump their liver request
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 January 2016 15: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Barkhan
          But they dashingly and poetically dump their liver

          Yeah, if wars were won by tearing our own belly, we would have a Japayan world, not an Anglo-Saxon one.
    2. Bergbur
      Bergbur 16 January 2016 22: 48 New
      0
      I think the samurai were killed in the war, like the Communists.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Strange some kind of "imperial spirit", do not you? They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

    the author did not say the main reason for the claims on the islands is the passage of American anti-submarine ships into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 15 January 2016 18: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    They require four cliffs in the ocean, but they reconcile with the deployment of occupation forces on their territory.

    They do not demand this because of the "imperial spirit", but this is a very convenient exit to the Pacific Ocean for our Navy. Americans are trying to fence themselves again with the hands of japons.
  • Sergei 34
    Sergei 34 16 January 2016 14: 32 New
    0
    "Imperial spirit" with a sweetheart) The Americans wiped out 98 Japanese cities in 74 of which there was not a single military enterprise ... about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I’ll keep silent ... and they signed an agreement on peace and cooperation with them. ..the occupying forces to call allies, this is generally beyond my understanding.
  • Utlan
    Utlan 14 January 2016 06: 40 New
    12
    From a dead donkey their ears and not the Kuril Islands.
    1. linadherent
      linadherent 14 January 2016 07: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Utlan
      From a dead donkey their ears and not the Kuril Islands.

      Right!!! Something narrow-eyed shorties completely lost their scent ... They want to be cleaned ?! am
  • strelets
    strelets 14 January 2016 06: 45 New
    +1
    Have you decided to drop a bone and get more in return? Oh well.
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert 14 January 2016 06: 46 New
    +4
    Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier, and all actions regarding the islands are nothing but a hustle and bustle under the dictation of the United States, so you simply can’t take seriously the turmoil
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 14 January 2016 06: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: antiexpert
      Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier

      I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 14 January 2016 07: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: chikenous59
        I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.

        Horror - the Japanese flee to the mainland))
        The first written records of ancient Japan are contained in Chinese historical chronicles “Twenty-Four Stories” of the XNUMXst century. However, according to archaeological research, the Japanese archipelago was inhabited by people during the Late Paleolithic.
    2. linadherent
      linadherent 14 January 2016 07: 02 New
      0
      Quote: antiexpert
      Japan is nothing more than an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier, and all actions regarding the islands are nothing but a hustle and bustle under the dictation of the United States, so you simply can’t take seriously the turmoil

      A few "poplars" toss and drown like a pretty ... wink
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 14 January 2016 14: 18 New
        +1
        Why spend poplars? The Japanese islands themselves will soon go under water ... You have to wait a bit ...
        Well, the fleet of the samurai is serious, it requires attention.
  • sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 14 January 2016 06: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: chikenous59
    I would not be so excited with the statement. Japan sits on volcanoes, the constant threat of tsunamis prevents them from sleeping peacefully.

    Well, they need another tsunami to calm down for a couple of years, American mongrel.
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 14 January 2016 07: 08 New
      -5
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      Well, they need one more tsunami

      But will it not reach us by chance? And radiation from damaged nuclear power plants in Japan?) Will this not affect us?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2016 06: 58 New
    14
    the essence of the dispute is only to conclude a contract on Japanese terms

    If you go (presumably) to the conditions of Japan, then after that there will be a line of people who want to profit from Russian territory (Kaliningrad, Karelia, etc.). And it’s a crime to trade your territory, for which not a little blood has been shed. So that you guys are Japanese calm down and forget about the islands.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 14 January 2016 07: 50 New
      11
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If you go (presumably) to the conditions of Japan

      But you can set the conditions of Russia! First: The return of the Gold of the Russian Empire that Ataman Semenov deposited with Japan. The transfer list is in Russia, The second compensation for damage caused by Japan during the years of intervention and the civil war in Russia. Compensation for pirated sunken merchant ships of the USSR Navy during the Second World War. Here is the link, there is a list of ships. In the archives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there are still documents that Japan owes Russia for piracy in the 1930s. The Japanese will still find and forget about the islands, because the debts are unbearable.
      1. lex locis
        lex locis 14 January 2016 11: 38 New
        +4
        No conditions and bidding. As they say (and these are the words of Japanese diplomats):
        War cancels all treaties. (c) Komura Jutaro and Takahira Kogoro

        Nothing to talk about.
        They want a peace treaty - no problem, we conclude a peace treaty, BUT on our terms ....
        They need this agreement, and we like a stop signal like a hare ..
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 14 January 2016 17: 32 New
          0
          Quote: lex locis
          They want a peace treaty - no problem, we conclude a peace treaty, BUT on our terms ....
          They need this agreement, and we like a stop signal like a hare ..

          Yes, the Japanese will be tormented to pay off debts for tsarist gold and forget about the islands. There are documents, there are law firms abroad, ready for a certain percentage to conduct these matters. There is a book by Latyshev, "How Japan Stole Russian Gold." There are other documents.
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 14 January 2016 07: 01 New
    10
    Do we need a peace treaty? Obviously, yes. Since only in these conditions it is possible to build relations with Japan without any pitfalls. But is it the primary task of domestic diplomacy? Obviously not. It’s easier for us to wait a few more years to eliminate Japan’s ambitions or radically reduce its appetites.
    Something like that in a few words.
  • Kunar
    Kunar 14 January 2016 07: 07 New
    +7
    They would have cleaned Okinawa, for starters from amers ......
  • Rav075
    Rav075 14 January 2016 07: 09 New
    11
    Yes, these islands are needed not by Japan, but by the United States, for the construction of new bases closer to our border.
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 14 January 2016 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Rav075
      Yes, these islands are needed not by Japan, but by the United States, for the construction of new bases closer to our border.


      Just like the Crimea ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 January 2016 07: 28 New
    +9
    Does Russia need it? Most probably not. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have crawled out of Tokyo. Japan also needs not peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only "northern territories" —that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them it’s a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet speeches of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.

    Let the enemy who hid in ambush remember
    We are on the alert, we are following the enemy.
    We do not want any land,
    But we will not give up ours.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 07: 30 New
    +3
    On earth, our oblique samurai gaze turned? We do not forbid you to watch, as well as dream! But, nothing more!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 January 2016 07: 58 New
    +4
    “70 years have passed since the end of the Second World War, and a peace treaty has not yet been signed between our countries. This is regrettable. “Strong leaders are now in power in our countries, and therefore we must take advantage of the situation and make efforts to conclude a peace treaty,”


    He sings sweetly, but makes him hard. They will bend their samurai, to infinity. This is a feature of the nation and its diplomacy.
    I think that we have enough mind not to succumb to their promises.
  • semirek
    semirek 14 January 2016 08: 08 New
    11
    The theme of the islands is a hackneyed topic on VO, but here we find a common point of view participating in the discussion, namely: we do not sell our territory - our fathers and grandfathers did everything right in 1945, returning their own, lost as a result of the insidious plans of the samurai in 1904 .
    Japan is an occupied country, every word uttered from Tokyo is written on paper in Washington ahead of time. And why does Russia need a peace treaty? Didn’t we be “thrown” into Europe in the 90s, promising not to expand NATO to the east, you cannot trust American puppets.
    In a word hell to them and not the island.
  • fn111
    fn111 14 January 2016 08: 12 New
    +9
    And I also heard that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, thanks to these islands, is recognized as internal Russian. And there, in addition to fish, there is also a shelf with its hydrocarbon nishtyaks.) Also, the Pacific Fleet has its own non-freezing access to the ocean, and is not locked in the Sea of ​​Japan.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 January 2016 08: 12 New
    10
    To give the Kuril Islands, it is the same as to give your child to someone else's family!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 January 2016 08: 33 New
    10
    No territories. You can not trade the homeland. It is necessary to master the South Kuril Islands, and Russia is doing this. And the troops are there. Enough to discourage trying to recapture the island by force. Yes, this is generally an incredible development of events. And the peace treaty ... we lived without it for 70 years, and we will live another 70.
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 14 January 2016 16: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It is necessary to master the South Kuril Islands

      Yes, we can say so about almost all of Russia - a lot of "undeveloped" land.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 January 2016 08: 41 New
    +2
    Already got these henchmen of Doctor Evil. Well, the waxwings themselves, about theirs, about the painful. So after all, they perform according to American notes. They were bombed with vigorous bombs, hundreds of thousands of people were burned alive, kept for seventy years as occupied territories, and they only wag their tail and look into the eyes of the Americans with enthusiasm - did they all do this, did they completely satisfy the owner?
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 14 January 2016 08: 50 New
    +2
    I think the point is different, the disputed islands are not the visible part for us in cases of transfer of the islands of Japan, and it will be easy to sneak up on us not to be discovered by them, I don’t remember exactly but maybe this question was discussed on topvar after the comment of a military analyst, it’s not worth it in short, digging a car giving yourself the controversial islands of Japan.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 January 2016 09: 05 New
    +3
    I suggest picking up two islands. One then return. And they will be happy.
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    There is a proposal to pick up the island of Hokkaido from Japan.

    Rationale: genocide of the Ainu people, to whom the island belonged.

    Ainu did not conclude a peace treaty with Japan)))
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 14 January 2016 09: 21 New
    +3
    From the old joke about agitation for Soviet power and promises to the people for its support:
    - Cross out everything that was promised before. And write down .... th him from the Soviet government.
    So the Japanese need to say ....
  • driver
    driver 14 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +3
    For 70 years, the Japanese have been very disappointed with the Kuril Islands. Maybe it's time to make hara-kiri already?
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 January 2016 09: 50 New
    +2
    Let them AMERICA WILL RETURN THE EARTH that OCCUPIED WITH THEIR BASES in JAPAN! and leave her!
    To begin with, the US Occupation Troops will expel ... Let them be MUCH!
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 14 January 2016 10: 44 New
      +3
      Plus, Japan is involved in sanctions against Russia.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 14 January 2016 09: 59 New
    0
    It seems half-bloody, until the end of the century they will not calm down with their mongrels ...
    All thoughts, only about one thing-as if harder to spoil Russia. am
  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 14 New
    +2
    The point was put by the Red Army by a blow in Manchuria. Before him, the Japanese planned to fight back on their islands to the last, teaching civilian handling of bamboo stakes, as long as there was a supply of resources from Korea and China. After the atomic strikes, their headquarters did not even gather, and after connecting to the Eastern Front of the USSR, they gathered immediately, after which it was decided not to continue the resistance in the event of the loss of the occupied regions on the mainland. What ultimately happened.
    turn
  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 15 New
    +2
    On July 26, 1945, the Potsdam Declaration was adopted within the framework of the Potsdam Conference, limiting the sovereignty of Japan to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku. On August 8, the USSR joined the Potsdam Declaration. On August 14, Japan accepted the terms of the Declaration and on September 2, 1945 signed the Surrender Act, confirming these conditions.
  • Don
    Don 14 January 2016 10: 49 New
    +4
    Does Russia need him? Most likely no. Otherwise, our diplomats, as they say, would not have got out of Tokyo. Japan also does not need peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only “northern territories” - that is, the return of the losses of the Second World War. For them, it is a loss. For us - the Russian land, watered with the blood of grandfathers. The memory of them should not lull the sweet talk of the Far Eastern neighbors about peace, cooperation and even friendship.
    Everything is written in these lines. If we really want peace with Japan, we must stop the current talk about surrendering the territory of the Russian Federation to the aggressor state. It is necessary to adopt a law that clearly indicates the belonging of the Russian Federation to Sakhalin and the islands of the Kuril ridge. All kinds of interpretations by our leaders about the possibility of transferring or sharing these territories should fall under the article on betrayal and treason.
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 14 January 2016 10: 54 New
      +5
      Each aggressor must have as punishment the loss of its territory FOREVER.
  • Morf
    Morf 14 January 2016 11: 04 New
    0
    most likely the japas will try to resolve something quietly with us, while in the second election-re-election, and the overseas lord will not be up to them.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 14 January 2016 14: 55 New
      +1
      We have nothing to decide with them! Our islands, period! This is not just a group of islands, it is a territory with straits, our access to the operational space.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 January 2016 11: 32 New
    +2
    The Japanese missed their time. It was under Ebn that they were promised 2 of 4 small islands. But the next morning, "sober" in the Russian Federation returned to the status quo. And with GDP, it’s unlikely that they will have any kind of exchange. It’s really convenient, next to Hokkaido, you can put a radar right next to it.
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 15 January 2016 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: xomaNN
      But the next morning, "sober" in the Russian Federation returned to the status quo.

      This is thanks to Korzhakov and Skokov. In time, Burbulis was neutralized and the people who managed to postpone Yeltsin’s visit to Japan. Otherwise the islands would cry ...
  • Belousov
    Belousov 14 January 2016 11: 36 New
    +2
    Which islands? I do not know any northern territories.
    The Kuril Islands is not even a potential catch of fish or hydrocarbons, it is primarily a strategic location, it is an ice-free exit to the Pacific Ocean, it is a closed inland Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
    If a deal is made, then the whole popular impulse from the return of Crimea will instantly be reset to zero, not to mention the whole line of people thirsting for Russian land. By the way, then they will definitely reap with the Crimea to the last so that they again give the Ukrainians.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 14 January 2016 11: 55 New
    0
    Japan also needs not peace (it has already become a given in relations between countries), but only "northern territories"

    A hoho not hoho? Make a mistake. If you want to live in peace with us - sign an agreement without any conditions whatsoever, but no - no, it won’t tickle us. stop
  • Maksus
    Maksus 14 January 2016 12: 35 New
    +5
    This is the Izumo destroyer helicopter carrier, which is close in capabilities to the French Mistrals advertised here.


    In principle, everything is correct, except for one - Izumo - this is more than Mistral. This is actually a light aircraft carrier, the F-35 can calmly take off from it and even land)
    Compare the sizes. But they still cannot have a full-fledged aircraft carrier, yet the forces of "self-defense".

  • gergi
    gergi 14 January 2016 12: 37 New
    +3
    What agreement can be with an occupied country? Let the Americans run away! This they, as always and everywhere, spoil.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 January 2016 13: 14 New
    +2
    I think that we do not give back the islands because
    in the event of a return there the Americans will spread with their missiles.
    Well, they will write off part of the public debt to the Japanese for this.
    Can you imagine what American bases in the Kuril Islands are?
    In my opinion, this is the main reason for our unwillingness to talk about the return of the islands.
    1. gray_angel
      gray_angel 15 January 2016 11: 43 New
      0
      If Yeltsin (after the surrender of Crimea) did not go for it, then do they really hope that Putin will do it?
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 15 January 2016 11: 58 New
        0
        Quote: gray_angel
        then do they seriously hope that Putin will do this?

        Well, Medvedev has gone ..
    2. gray_angel
      gray_angel 15 January 2016 11: 43 New
      0
      If Yeltsin (after the surrender of Crimea) did not go for it, then do they really hope that Putin will do it?
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 January 2016 13: 55 New
    -4
    The world's best Foreign Minister will give up without a second's hesitation. As he gave the "Kemsk parish" to the Norwegians, the island on the Amur River of China, a village with people azeibardzhanu. "Lavrov is a generous soul."
    Our homeland is traded by strangers, usually foreigners with Russian citizenship.
    1. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 15 January 2016 10: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      "Lavrov is a generous soul."

      Yes, in Murmansk, Karelia and Arkhangelsk, fishermen still spit on the "Lavrov-Stalltenberg Treaty" with the direct active participation of an iPhone lover. As a result: the sea was lost, they survive from Shchpits and the Shtokman project was covered with a copper basin: the Norwegians received the Fedynsky vault, the largest hydrocarbon field in the world, which caused them to have a three-day holiday under the slogan "Russian n .. bali .."
      I understand that only those who are not in the subject but in the tank will pass you. Forgive them with a mournful mind.
  • Dam
    Dam 14 January 2016 14: 15 New
    0
    It's just PR, how sweet it would be for Abe to be known as a collector of the land of Japan. But not fate, apparently, not in this life
  • spec.78
    spec.78 14 January 2016 14: 29 New
    +2
    Talking about the contract and returning the island, we forget about some points. No one thought that:
    1. Russian citizens live on these islands
    2. from Kunashir Island to Hokkaido only 40 km. Remind me what is the flight range of the Iskander, Bastions and other delights of the Russian military-industrial complex?
    Moreover, if you look at the development trend of the Japanese army and navy, then Japan is clearly preparing for an offensive war, moreover, for quite large landing operations. It’s time to put Kunashir and Iturup in the Marine Division, the S-400 Division, and the coast-based RCCs will not be in the way. Plus, it’s time for the Pacific Fleet to reinforce, at least RTOs, only preferably the ocean class.
  • qwert
    qwert 14 January 2016 15: 47 New
    +1
    So, we felt the weakness of Russia. So they revived. They probably know the state of our military forces in the Pacific. Now they will begin to unwind this problem. Perhaps more than one year. And there they will see where the balance of power moves. But given that we are only building corvettes now, and the PAKF ordered 12 pieces, the hopes of the Japs are not hopeless. Do they understand this upstairs? Definitely. But whether they are ready to reconsider the tremendous pace of rearmament, this is a question ...
  • SIMM
    SIMM 14 January 2016 18: 12 New
    +2
    It’s even fun to watch the Japs trying ...)
    The train left and the rails were taken apart ...
  • kos2cool4u
    kos2cool4u 14 January 2016 18: 40 New
    0
    Quote: kumaxa
    on the same basis, it is also possible to declare a us war. and bring back alaska

    In fact, Alaska is already ours - the GDP spoke clearly about this, it’s just that it’s still on loan from the United States, as I understand it (((...
  • maximon2005
    maximon2005 14 January 2016 18: 53 New
    +1
    Yes, to hell with them throughout the narrow-eyed de.
  • GOGY
    GOGY 14 January 2016 20: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: ism_ek
    Inurup is slightly larger than Luxembourg or 1% of the area of ​​the Japanese islands.
    Sense to give these islands, I do not see. Japan is a vassal of the United States. It is necessary to negotiate with America, and not with Japan.

    And what to negotiate then? Sending mother and those and others bluntly - once and for all having closed the topic, there is no need to jerk and wag, it must be said firmly: Our islands and the topic is closed, the next ... And you do not have to pass off the Japanese bzden as a "samurai spirit", maybe and it was, but it all came out when they went under the staff, kamikaze fucking
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 January 2016 22: 31 New
    0
    It is impossible to achieve a false goal. All efforts and sacrifices will be in vain.
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 14 January 2016 23: 43 New
    +1
    Once again, the aggravation of interstate contradictions and disagreements, characteristic of the beginning of the century, is gaining strength. The scab of healed faults on the borders of the former empires is again warmed up; unforgiven insults and claims are taken from the archives. The Ottoman, Persian, and ours, the Russian Empire, who are more, who are less likely to regain possession, world weight, and a place under the sun.

    Perhaps the desire for possession of the territory is more inherent in Asians than, for example, Europeans or Americans. We live on our resources, and the global capital of the SGA and Europe does not need territories: there are no borders. They have their own redistribution, their empires are purely financial, they are preparing a financial redistribution.
    Not without exceptions, of course: the Chinese dragon got involved in the financial redistribution, and so far successfully.
    And Japan, "just went such a booze" - at least squeeze the islands.

    Still, they are naive there, by the rising sun: every year the same thing, and now, they think, they’ll give a ride ...
    Yes, if we were even wrong on the islands - and then you can’t give it away!
    And the Japanese offer options: to re-take the Falklands from the Britons, or a piece of Alaska from the SGA (but in a hurry, you can leave the goods!), And even easier - buy from the Greeks - inexpensive and warm.
  • atakan
    atakan 15 January 2016 05: 01 New
    +2
    similar to world scenario 2
    - peace treaty with Japan, as with Germany
    Calm down for a year, and an attack on the islands with Sakhalin and Primorye?
    Strange as that.
    Apparently the Japanese decided to fall on the tail. How many countries will it take in the intervention? Five pieces for sure.
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 15 January 2016 06: 29 New
    +1
    I think that the GDP will simply ignore all these gestures of the samurai. Why would we give whole territories in exchange for a piece of paper that can be wiped off. We don’t need someone else’s (paper), and we won’t give back our (land).
  • Vadim_2
    Vadim_2 15 January 2016 06: 53 New
    +1
    Let them smoke now. Hokkaido is ours.
  • Balagan
    Balagan 15 January 2016 07: 03 New
    +1
    but canceled his trip due to a visit to the Kuril Islands by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev
    So what? Do we also have to make demarches regarding the visit by Japanese Prime Minister Hakkaido or Honshu?
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 January 2016 08: 26 New
    +1
    The exchange must be equivalent .. Four islands of the Kuril ridge with all the infrastructure for the four islands of the Japanese archipelago, also with all the infrastructure ...
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 15 January 2016 09: 54 New
    +5
    Well, what can I tell you about Sakhalin? The island has normal weather .. However, the weather there is different. I understand that most of the speakers in the Sakhalin region have never been, why sometimes you read absolutely wild comments that the islands "are not used on 10%", I would like to know how to use them on all 100. Some forum users consider the data territory only from a military point of view, which is completely correct, forgetting about the economic. Firstly, the ownership of these islands in Russia automatically provides for the possession of the 200 mile economic zone around them with innumerable fish stocks and deposits of all kinds of useful things under the seabed. The English, for example, in the Atlantic still cement the rolling pin every year so as not to drown, because this island gives a significant increment to their EEZ at sea. Of course, there are always people in the Russian government who are ready to give Kemsk parish for the right to be considered the “German of the year”, Bill’s friend or a gentle pat on the cheek from Stoltenberg, but I hope that the time of the Burbulis, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Dmitriy Anatolyevich Medvedev will sink in the fly completely.
    Threat. I absolutely agree with the author of the article, Gennady Granovsky, that these territories were obtained by Russia as a result of the military defeat of Japan. What could be the claim, “woe to the vanquished”!
  • skrabplus.ru
    skrabplus.ru 15 January 2016 11: 26 New
    +1
    Just a couple of years ago I read an interesting article (unfortunately, I don’t remember exactly where) about the fact that Russia will go to war (not in the sense of a direct declaration of war, but out of silence) either from Krajina or from Japan. I thought that they would start with narrow-eyed ones - I was mistaken, they started with both