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Stealing from space ...

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To put it mildly, it is very regrettable that instead of real achievements in the country's space industry, once again we have to talk about large-scale embezzlement. An audit of the economic activities of the Federal Space Agency (Roskosmos) revealed an astronomical amount of theft in the amount of at least 1,5 billion rubles. But this is not at all the “astronomy” that I would like to talk about in relation to the activities of the “space” bureaucratic apparatus ...


So, during the inspection, the checking structures found out that the amount of misuse of funds in Roscosmos amounted to almost half a billion rubles. A check began with a memorandum from the head of the Russian Space Systems OJSC, Andrey Tyulin, about embezzlement at the 160 office of millions of rubles. After identifying the facts of misuse of funds in the department, Andrei Tyulin made a statement to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The statement said that it was necessary to verify the concluded contracts with the Center for Expert Support LLC (CESC). The contracts did not have a direct relationship to the development of outer space, and concerned the implementation of work on the connection of power supply systems to the RCS sites by the CESC staff. Andrei Tyulin says that no work on the fact was done, and the money simply flowed into the CESC. Who should be responsible for the fact that this money flowed away without carrying out the whole range of work is a separate question, and it should be asked to the head of OJSC RCS, who seems to be a manager, not a statistician ...

In the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the statement of Tyulin familiarized, and the work, as they say, boiled. The certifying flywheel was set in motion, and the check came not only at the RCS, but also at the Federal Space Agency. In its course, it was possible to establish that OJSC RKS itself had to create for Roscosmos resistant to the destructive influence of the space environment (to various types of radiation) electronic component base. The project was planned to allocate 7 billion rubles, of which 5 billion - state budget funds. The first payment in OJSC "RCS" arrived in the amount of 1,5 billion rubles. The further fate of the work on the above component base is difficult to see through the haze of fog. One thing is known: while the Roskosmos leadership was changing, no results were presented for the allocated amount. There are no results, but the money is sort of mastered, and they, as provided on credit, bring interest to someone.

After the establishment of these facts, the investigation also bothered with the question of who actually is the recipient of the profits from the amount provided for scientific research. It took care of it, but, apparently, it turned out to be somewhat difficult to name real names for the investigation. It was decided to make a truly Solomon decision: to declare as suspect the one who, by definition, cannot give an answer. The late Ex-head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, was “elected” by this person. The investigating authorities say that it was Popovkin who stopped the process of project implementation. And to obtain exhaustive evidence of such a version, the leading Roscosmos managers, who previously worked with Vladimir Popovkin, are being questioned today.

Taking into account all the recent trials and decisions made on high-profile corruption and fraud cases, it can be assumed that in this case it is senseless to expect the return of a half billion rubles to the budget. The late Popovkin will not say anything, and therefore for all those who are involved in the frauds with the allocated funds, he is an ideal figure who “will take the inevitable blow of justice on himself” ...

Frankly speaking, it is naive to expect that the money withdrawn from one or another strategically important project “to the left” will return to the treasury. It is naive for the simple reason that for some time economic crimes are considered to be almost childish prank. And the degree of punishment for criminals, taking away taxpayer funds by billions, is truly ridiculous. A fine of some vague 100 thousand rubles for fraud in an amount that exceeds the amount of the fine a thousand times - how is it? Who is the author of this unique logic? .. It turns out this way: steal, walk and count on the most humane court in the world? ..

Of course, it is impossible to talk exclusively about corruption and fraud in the same space industry. Yes, there are honest, professional people, as in any other field of activity. There are achievements and successes.

Stealing from space ...


In particular, a LAN has been created at the Vostochny cosmodrome, and preparations are underway to assemble a launch vehicle designed for launch from this launch pad. The testing of the Angara is continuing. At the cosmodrome "Baikonur" Roscosmos specialists are preparing the mission ExoMars-2016. This work is being done jointly with the staff of the European Space Agency. There is a planned operation of the International Space Station.

However, the information that another billion was “lost” during the implementation of an important project again gives rise to reflections on actual impunity for those who, with their criminal actions, not only defame the honest names of scientists, engineers, and those responsible for the project, but also discards the national astronautics. from the path of competitiveness. After all, today, at first glance, everything is relatively good: even Americans cannot fly into space without Russian missiles. But is everything done to ensure that the Russian technological advantage tomorrow is not turned into ashes by those for whom the thirst for personal gain is above the country's strategic interests? ..
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  1. krot
    krot 14 January 2016 06: 20 New
    43
    For theft at all state enterprises should introduce an article for sabotage and treason! With complete confiscation of property and national disgrace!
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 14 January 2016 07: 29 New
      0
      It can be made simpler, the whole team of stolen money scammers, when first launched, into space, because they pay a lot of money for travel. Into a capsule and let them spin in orbit. And they did not violate the law (consequences); let families multiply there.
      1. umah
        umah 14 January 2016 09: 19 New
        11
        It can be made simpler, the entire team of stolen money scammers, when first launched, into space, because they pay a lot of money for travel. Let them spin into an orbit into a capsule. And they didn’t break the law (consequences), let families breed there

        Delivery to orbit is too expensive. It will be much cheaper to place the developers when launching nozzles under the nozzles, and you won’t even have to spend money on a funeral.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 46 New
          +2
          Cruel, but fair!
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 45 New
        +5
        Well, how many hundreds or thousands of launches will need to be completed? no, it’s more reliable and cheaper to Kolyma, but especially distinguished to the wall.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 16 January 2016 17: 26 New
          0
          ... well, why not hard labor?
      3. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 14 January 2016 11: 48 New
        +1
        It can be made simpler, the whole team of stolen money scammers, when first launched, into space, because they pay a lot of money for travel. Into a capsule and let them spin in orbit. And they did not violate the law (consequences); let families multiply there.


        Too greasy. 40 years in the taiga, forest felling. Do you need to compensate somehow?
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 14 January 2016 18: 58 New
          +5
          there’s already little left to blame — their colleagues don’t sleep either — for 40 years, plant taiga — that’s
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 15 January 2016 00: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Good AAAH
            there’s already little left to blame — their colleagues don’t sleep either — for 40 years, plant taiga — that’s

            exactly. wean on tractor drivers, milkmaids, turners, and forward-national economy to raise. For the salary that they consider "worthy" for workers
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 14 January 2016 07: 52 New
      39
      Quote: krot
      For theft at all state enterprises should introduce an article for sabotage and treason!

      Tired of already talking and writing about theft. All are arrested, released, investigated, scolded, abide by the law, tighten control ....

      But the Serdyukov-Chubais and others both stole and steal. And they will steal, if they continue to "investigate" ... It is necessary to act. Extremely tough, cruel and inevitable. So that every official from the district administration to our very clever Rusnano knows -
      1. epsilon571
        epsilon571 14 January 2016 19: 30 New
        +4
        And in our country, this is a public official.
        You can talk a lot, but they are even arrested, kept under house arrest, and then simply released.
        The latest news:

        "... The criminal case against the main owner and chairman of the board of directors of AFK Sistema Vladimir Yevtushenkov has been discontinued. This was reported by the company's website. The case was initiated upon the acquisition of shares in enterprises belonging to the fuel and energy complex of Bashkiria. It was terminated in connection with the lack of corpus delicti, informs Sistema.

        Russian news agencies have not yet transmitted the comments of investigative bodies. TASS received confirmation of AFC information from one of the businessman’s lawyers - Vladimir Kozin ... "

        So, who will you protect this time? This power is the power of corrupt officials, thieves and oligarchs. Mr. Putin, their leader and godfather, we will not remove, we will turn into Honduras!
      2. vka
        vka 15 January 2016 15: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: krot
        For theft at all state enterprises should introduce an article for sabotage and treason!

        Tired of already talking and writing about theft. All are arrested, released, investigated, scolded, abide by the law, tighten control ....

        But the Serdyukov-Chubais and others both stole and steal. And they will steal, if they continue to "investigate" ... It is necessary to act. Extremely tough, cruel and inevitable. So that every official from the district administration to our very clever Rusnano knows -



        just super !!! It's high time, I would have forbidden to shoot on stalbahs.
      3. vka
        vka 15 January 2016 15: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: krot
        For theft at all state enterprises should introduce an article for sabotage and treason!

        Tired of already talking and writing about theft. All are arrested, released, investigated, scolded, abide by the law, tighten control ....

        But the Serdyukov-Chubais and others both stole and steal. And they will steal, if they continue to "investigate" ... It is necessary to act. Extremely tough, cruel and inevitable. So that every official from the district administration to our very clever Rusnano knows -



        just super !!! It's high time, I would have forbidden to shoot on stalbahs.
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    4. Infernal man
      Infernal man 14 January 2016 08: 46 New
      17
      Yes, in general, it is necessary to return the old legislation with articles for sabotage, treason, for parasitism, drunkenness, sodomy, theft in especially large ones, sabotage, etc.
      If you recall how it used to be - for theft in extra-large ones - in addition to the term, confiscation of property.
      Have you heard at least once that someone from the bureaucrats caught would have been confiscated?
      Among other things, the death penalty must be returned. IMHO, the state should be strong and tough in relation to both external enemies and to its citizens: if you want to live normally - do not break. Well, if you violate - be kind to be responsible for your actions. Alas, we have such a people: if you give a little slack, they immediately sit on your neck.
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 14 January 2016 09: 19 New
        -1
        .. yes, we have good people !!! ... we have problems because there are a lot of smart ones))) ... morality is needed)))
        1. CHILD
          CHILD 14 January 2016 12: 59 New
          0
          And what is there without discussion for a whole nation?! ... er, a minus signer?! ... do you even say dear people that you have a mind ... I collect such opinions))) ... or is the word moral that interferes with the brain? !
          1. CHILD
            CHILD 14 January 2016 13: 51 New
            -2
            Oh, another kissed head)))) .... I will get a notebook for you and for you .... ballistic)))) ...
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 January 2016 13: 12 New
        +5
        For parasitism article? Gee-gee ... And as for the article, I read that the merchant Sandunov (the one who built the bathhouse) dragged millions of rubles into the coffin 7 in the form of a pillow with diamonds. The son gave half for opening the grave (they were mores). Can the investigation dig into Popovkin’s coffin? Joke. laughing
    5. CHILD
      CHILD 14 January 2016 09: 08 New
      +4
      While nepotism will be, we won’t change anything !!!! .... and this is a whole range of problems with theft coming here !!!! .... everything else is from the evil one !!!))))
    6. Sweles
      Sweles 14 January 2016 09: 32 New
      16
      our society is in pain and this disease is called oligarchic capitalism, the tolerance of the authorities for theft with the greatest volumes makes us think that the government itself is also stolen because theft takes place at the posts that this authority places. Places thieves, they steal, do not receive any punishment, and so it lasts constantly. But they regularly gather prosecutors and cheerfully urge everyone to fight against corruption and theft, but as we see NO FIGHT, this is all a PERFORMANCE for a so-called people.
      For example, for many years, the chief thief, Chubais, has been in power, he has been processed without processing, it is BILLIONS and this order of things lasts for years, and the top officials paid millions of dollars a day are not hidden and legalized theft and theft?
      The government adopts anti-people laws on additional utility bills, on truck taxes, and this is not the limit; they will still be tearing people off; this is just the beginning.
      Oil and the budget are pouring in - it’s clear that they will hit the people in the first place, and when they can afford it, a social explosion can occur ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 47 New
        +3
        So.
    7. NordUral
      NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 43 New
      +9
      Thieves system generated (or rather manifested) and will generate thieves. It is necessary to solve with the system, and not with particulars.
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 14 January 2016 11: 06 New
        -1
        The system of power is changed only by externally financed revolutions. Great blood and the advent of dictatorship. In this case, the final collapse of the country into pieces is inevitable. Who wants this?
        The current system was built under Yeltsin. To maintain power, the current government has to buy the loyalty of the State Department’s proteges for a lot of money. The redistribution of the system without revolution is a long and difficult matter. Do you want maidan in Moscow? Then - do not complain.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 14 January 2016 11: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Stranger
          . Do you want maidan in Moscow? Then - do not complain.


          in the era of information technology, the so-called “people's opinion” or “political predilections” are changing, now the reasons for the collapse of the USSR and political portraits of both individuals and ethnic groups in power are becoming clear, therefore there are no “maidans” with only a change of personalities but with the abandonment of the course it will no longer be, popular indignation with the government’s policy will replace both the subjects and the previous deadlock and criminal course of the government ...
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 14 January 2016 13: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: Stranger
          The system of power is changed only by externally financed revolutions. Great blood and the advent of dictatorship. In this case, the final collapse of the country into pieces is inevitable. Who wants this?

          You decide on the question "who wants this?" Want a change of system or collapse of the country?
        3. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 15 January 2016 00: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Stranger
          The redistribution of the system without revolution is a long and difficult matter.

          life is hard at all, suggest suicide? Do it! Without revolutions, it’s easy to do, and the sooner the better. time is a long thing.
      2. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 14 January 2016 12: 55 New
        +4
        Right. Under the current system, this is and will be so. And the more impunity, the more irresponsibility, which means the situation will worsen and they will steal more. They will compensate at the expense of citizens.
    8. Shick
      Shick 14 January 2016 11: 16 New
      +6
      There will be nothing further than talk
      porem on the site and disperse))

      only conclusions will be in the style of a king good bad boyars)))))
    9. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 14 January 2016 11: 51 New
      +8
      fool But who is he planting a monument !? (from the movie Gentlemen of Fortune)
      As long as there are untouchables in the country - any laws can be adopted, ZERO will be useless
    10. siberalt
      siberalt 15 January 2016 11: 18 New
      +1
      The system needs to be changed. So we will stomp around in a circle with slipping.
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 14 January 2016 06: 25 New
    25
    In China, for theft on such a scale, the death penalty, under Stalin in the USSR, the death penalty. And what in Russia for this theft? Why Serdyukov with his harem did not answer for the stolen funds of the Moscow Region.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 14 January 2016 07: 10 New
      11
      Quote: Alexander 3
      In China, for theft on such a scale, the death penalty, under Stalin in the USSR, the death penalty. And what in Russia for this theft? Why Serdyukov with his harem did not answer for the stolen funds of the Moscow Region.

      What you are not understanding. You have been told that it is not 37 years old
      1. Infernal man
        Infernal man 14 January 2016 08: 47 New
        +3
        In China, too, it is not the 37th, but nevertheless, the entire world economy is now looking at the heavens.
        Would they be so backward, would that be?
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 14 January 2016 08: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: Infernal Man
          Would they be so backward, would that be?

          And if the world economy did not place its production there, would China have everything that it now has?
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 48 New
            +4
            But Stalin didn’t place it, but it did!
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 January 2016 14: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: sa-ag
            Quote: Infernal Man
            Would they be so backward, would that be?

            And if the world economy did not place its production there, would China have everything that it now has?

            So what? The entire world economy has placed production in China. Ah, they say, what a cheap rabsila, let the narrow-eyed ants swarm there. Time passed, and the ant turned into an elephant. The Japanese tried to put them in their place, all ended with millions of losses for their companies and inscriptions in China on Toyota: "Japanese car, Chinese soul."
        2. Extraneous
          Extraneous 14 January 2016 11: 00 New
          +4
          Giant money is pouring into China. This is generally the estate of the Rothschilds, who have long moved their headquarters to Taiwan. Then they squeezed him from the British.
          There is nothing to compare. All markets are open to China and no one is imposing any sanctions, despite the constant cries of undemocracy and danger to the West.
        3. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 14 January 2016 19: 01 New
          0
          you probably didn’t understand, about the year 37, not the forum member said, but a man from the Kremlin
      2. tank64rus
        tank64rus 14 January 2016 19: 13 New
        +1
        17th is coming soon
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  3. MarKon
    MarKon 14 January 2016 06: 33 New
    +6
    Is it really difficult to trace all the money transfer chains? It's just that the investigation has no desire, or a green whistle
    1. cap
      cap 14 January 2016 08: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: MarKon
      Is it really difficult to trace all the money transfer chains? It's just that the investigation has no desire, or a green whistle


      All chains are already known during the investigation. If it was carried out by specialists and qualitatively.
      The main question is whether they matter to the court. Another question is who and how drew up the indictment. Then the court’s decision, on the principle of “there would be a person, but there would be an article”. Of course, a joke (attributed to the ex-minister R. Nurgaliyev) except for jokes can be read in the press.
      We do not need to change anything strict. We just remember the phrase from folklore, where it is about drawbar.
      And most importantly, as the famous Turkish citizen said:
      “I’m not a cherub, I don’t have wings, but I respect the criminal code - this is my weakness.”
      Leaders close to the "stars" have other weaknesses laughing
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 49 New
      +7
      There is one gang, organized crime group, which we stupidly take for the state.
  4. V.ic
    V.ic 14 January 2016 06: 42 New
    +2
    To deprive the initiators of the stomach, to cut the beneficiaries, and to the slaves of their lashes, their chutes to sell to the Turks. With genuine true ... / signature illegible / sealed.
  5. antiexpert
    antiexpert 14 January 2016 06: 42 New
    +4
    and why not qualify such actions under the article "treason to the motherland"?
    after all, in fact, this is exactly what it means!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 January 2016 10: 50 New
      +2
      Old question: who are the judges?
  6. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 14 January 2016 06: 45 New
    +7
    And what not to steal if the "system" allows ?? Waving a finger in front of my nose, I haven’t scared anyone yet or stopped, and spells do not work in the age of the Internet .. I heard it’s like a hangar for a rocket was built in which it does not fit (without technical documentation) they sculpted, rather, rather, “master” the money
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 06: 51 New
    0
    Maybe those who steal in Roscosmos at their expense can be sent into orbit, without a spacesuit and in the cargo compartment? They will survive, then it’s lucky, but no, and the dog with them
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 14 January 2016 07: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Maybe those who steal in Roscosmos at their expense can be sent into orbit, without a spacesuit and in the cargo compartment? They will survive, then it’s lucky, but no, and the dog with them

      You were not interested in how much is a kilogram of cargo brought to Earth orbit?
      1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
        Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 07: 42 New
        +2
        V.ic- and steal billions, and what punishment for such theft-conditional term?
  8. komendant 64
    komendant 64 14 January 2016 06: 52 New
    +9
    There are no options, it is clear to anyone - shootings are needed. Over a quarter of a century of “lawlessness”, the arrogant generation of “top managers” has grown, only the fear of death can weaken their appetite.
    It is amazing how you can, having one stomach and one sphincter, eat so much!
    1. Signore Tomato
      Signore Tomato 14 January 2016 07: 54 New
      +7
      These are not top managers, but Гop managers! angry
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 14 January 2016 11: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Signor Tomato
        These are not top managers, but Gop managers!


        Laughing out loud. Itself invented or where snatched. Cool, 5 points.
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 14 January 2016 08: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: komendant 64
      It is amazing how you can, having one stomach and one sphincter, eat so much!

      Like in Europe in the 17th century. Eat and puke (I apologize), then again they eat and again ...... well, you understand.
  9. valokordin
    valokordin 14 January 2016 07: 10 New
    +2
    Chubais will answer for everything, that means no one or not those.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 January 2016 07: 27 New
    +6
    Another report, which only once again confirms my suggestion that corruption and major theft due to their threat to state security, should fall under the article on high treason with all that it implies. How much can you chew the same thing. If nothing is being done by the authorities, then they themselves are participating in this, that’s all. Draw your own conclusions. And all these excuses about observing the presumption of innocence and observing procedural rules during various checks are needed just to get away from punishment.
  11. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 07: 31 New
    15
    I think the system will forgive this time too. Able to. It’s the Defense Service case that has dotted it all. Masks dropped, no more illusions.
    Well, talk about the executions, etc. this is funny. Not in this life. It's like bees versus honey. Who will do this? The one who opened the Yeltsin Center? Do not make me funny.
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    2. creak
      creak 14 January 2016 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: cobra77
      Well, talk about the executions, etc. this is funny

      If you introduce this measure, then they will laugh mostly “untouchables” - with our “independent and incorruptible” system of justice, sixes, if not implicated at all, would be shot ... Anyone who is objectionable could be brought under a firing squad, there’s no person, no problem, ends in the water ...
      And you can also think about introducing such a measure of punishment as "posthumous execution" (as in the case of Popovkin) - as they say, the sheep will be safe and the wolves are full ...
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2016 07: 38 New
    +2
    As long as thieves and plunderers evade strict punishment, or get off probation, this will continue indefinitely. There is only one conclusion - to tighten punishments without looking back at the so-called howls. human rights defenders.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 January 2016 07: 50 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, they steal wherever big money "floats". And Roscosmos is no exception. I think that they will find the extreme or switchman. But the main thing is to return the money, and this is a big question.
  14. Glock
    Glock 14 January 2016 07: 55 New
    +2
    Eh. Return tough laws to saboteurs and thieves. Zadolbalo !!!
  15. sa-ag
    sa-ag 14 January 2016 08: 18 New
    0
    "... RKS OJSC was to create for Roscosmos an electronic component base resistant to the destructive effects of the space environment (to various kinds of radiation)."

    Already from this it is clear that the banal development of the budget, for a start, would have presented such a chip working in the above conditions, and only then they would ask for money
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 14 January 2016 08: 48 New
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      Already from this it is clear that the banal development of the budget, for a start, would have presented such a chip working in the above conditions, and only then they would ask for money

      Something you have a cart in front of the horse. In order to present something, it is necessary to create something, but money is needed for this (Uncle Fedor went for the treasure). Where do they share it is another question.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 14 January 2016 08: 57 New
        0
        Quote: shuhartred
        Something you have a cart in front of the horse. To present something, you need to create something

        No, it’s normal, according to Marx - “commodity-money”, if the enterprise does not have money, then it’s a quack, it’s still Khoja Nasreddin invented, it’s just being circulated
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 14 January 2016 08: 28 New
    +9
    Quote: aszzz888
    And Roscosmos is no exception.

    And "Roskosmos" and other organizations were created EXACTLY for sawing money! No advance forward. They quietly fly to the "royal" seven, take people into orbit, sell engines (again Soviet), they use the money at the cosmodrome don't blow!
    What new projects do engineers really need for this, and not those "top managers" who are working now. And new industries, do you have to think and move, WHY? The state falls off money, we produce the Soyuz in series, let it spin around for another half a century Earth! "WE ARE LEADING IN PILOTED COSMONAUTICS" -we are tired of it already. You look at what’s going on in the world-the devices are sent anywhere! hi
  17. Ramadan
    Ramadan 14 January 2016 08: 33 New
    +1
    But the question is about backfill, what to do if your company employs about 150-200 people (almost every family, children) and everyone wants to work and get money for work (this is normal), and the official says to you: “do not give a kickback , do not receive the order "? Go to the prosecutor’s office to hand over an official and simultaneously dismiss workers?
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 14 January 2016 08: 46 New
      -4
      Yes. And if not, then nothing will ever change. And Putin is not to blame, but those who give kickbacks and are silent.
      1. Ajjh
        Ajjh 14 January 2016 12: 24 New
        10
        But he is a naive boy who sees and does not hear anything. well, just like a baby's tear
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 January 2016 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Ramazan
      and the official says to you: "do not give a kickback, you will not receive the order"? Go to the prosecutor’s office to hand over an official and simultaneously dismiss workers?


      A difficult question, it was cooked in this mess, the results are not very good. The Hamletian question is "to be, or not to be," but it is necessary to decide, but how the hell knows? If you don’t give it, you won’t work, give it, you go against yourself, spit on everything, then why are we all clever here?
      1. Ramadan
        Ramadan 14 January 2016 19: 48 New
        0
        That's the point!
        No one can give a really working recipe, except for "thieves, shoot everyone" and other nonsense ...
  18. heal
    heal 14 January 2016 08: 37 New
    +7
    While Putin is in power, nothing will change.
  19. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 January 2016 08: 44 New
    0
    Need to hang for theft - and will not steal. Rather, for theft from the state, committed with the help of power. Like in China: caught, executed. They really shoot, but the meaning is the same.
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 14 January 2016 13: 20 New
      0
      Well, anyway, in China it turns out there is someone to shoot! Fear of punishment is often powerless before the desire to have big money. The greater the jackpot, the more likely it is to overcome the fear of death.
  20. koksalek
    koksalek 14 January 2016 08: 49 New
    +1
    As they say - dividing herself will not deprive herself, and even more so she will not punish herself
  21. Old26
    Old26 14 January 2016 08: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: antiexpert
    and why not qualify such actions under the article "treason to the motherland"?
    after all, in fact, this is exactly what it means!

    In fact, yes. But practically under the definition (as in the Criminal Code) "betrayal of the homeland" does not fit ...

    Quote: afdjhbn67
    I heard it’s like a hangar for a rocket built in which it does not fit (without technical documentation) was sculpted, rather, rather, “master” money

    Yes, I heard it too. On the "East". But it’s not like it doesn’t fit, but it’s not

    Quote: komendant 64
    There are no options, it’s clear to anyone - shootings are needed

    What executions ... What are you saying. We can’t shoot murderers and serial rapists, but we accepted the situation. Until the moratorium is lifted, until the Criminal Code is adapted to the current realities, there will be nothing. And this will never happen, as "raven-raven ..."
    Those who make laws - many of them already have a snout in the cannon. So it turns out, a person stole chicken in the market - get 3-5 years. He stole a hundred million - and the businessman immediately, and under the amnesty will fall
  22. alexej123
    alexej123 14 January 2016 08: 57 New
    +2
    At school, in the late 80's, I had a history teacher - an old-school communist. His son served as a political commander on the cruiser "Kirov", then served in England in the structure of a naval attache. The teacher said that in the United States, at that time, the president had the largest salary, according to 27 thousand dollars. per month, the submarine commander received a little less.
    Why in Russia, in state corporations, or in structures where state participation is more than 50% of salaries higher than that of the President of the Russian Federation? Why the law does not establish a limit level for them, but lower than that of the President and the Prime Minister, albeit at the level of Deputy Prime Minister. Indeed, the paradox, the head of a state-owned company (in fact) receives many times more than the first person of the state.
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 14 January 2016 23: 48 New
      0
      Quote: alexej123
      After all, the paradox, the head of a state-owned company (in fact) receives many times more than the first person of the state.

      Shhhh ... And then the first person will say: "not order" and ... will raise himself and the prime minister s / n.
  23. xBoris
    xBoris 14 January 2016 09: 04 New
    +1
    But because officials are a dime a dozen.
    There would be one responsible for the process, with whom the demand is - there wouldn’t be all this mess ..
  24. looker-on
    looker-on 14 January 2016 09: 29 New
    +1
    Shooting is too easy. Like any kind of death penalty. Chick-and-end nerves and torment. It’s much worse to sit for decades in a Russian prison. Even the documentary is creepy from our prisons. So what am I for "planting"
  25. luxprofi
    luxprofi 14 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +7
    The beautiful is far away, do not be cruel to me ... Liberal activists, I would like to send to hell. Especially those who steal. But what about the most important liberal? More than once or twice, our president declared himself to be one. Yes, and in his affairs it is clearly visible. Especially economic. Dualism is some kind. Either a patriot or a liberal. Or is it a liberal with a patriotic bias? So to say, Vladimir Vladimirovich Sobchak-Yeltsin?
  26. Bongo
    Bongo 14 January 2016 09: 50 New
    10
    Who is the author of this unique logic? .. It turns out like this: steal, walk and count on the most humane court in the world? ..

    Do you know who?
  27. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 14 January 2016 09: 53 New
    10
    I reached the words "revealed the astronomical amount of theft in the amount of at least 1,5 billion rubles" and stopped reading. Yes, only Evgenia Vasilyeva was charged with an amount an order of magnitude greater (the superastronomic amount following the author's estimates).
    Valentina Matvienko invested officially only 4,2 billion rubles from the city treasury in the gas scraper project. I do not say anything about her personal business through my son. She is no longer in the city, but the monument to her in St. Petersburg remains. This is the foundation pit for the failed gas scraper, against which the townspeople came forward with a united front. To excavate this pit, it was necessary to demolish a huge business center, which in the Soviet era was Petrozavod (which, in turn, was founded by Peter the Great, like the Okhta Shipyard).
    Well?
    One and a half billion - yes it’s a couple of times in Monte Carlo to go with the girls. Transfer to Euro, maybe nightmares will disappear.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2016 10: 49 New
      +1
      I don’t want to spend almost 19 million euros on a trip with girls. As for space, the United States will soon go around us there, they are now creating the SLS superheavy rocket at full speed, in 2017 the largest air launch aircraft will take off, work continues on the creation of the Dregon spacecraft line and many other projects - and we have 2025 reduction in space costs.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 January 2016 11: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      She is no longer in the city, but the monument to her in St. Petersburg remains


      Really died? Ah, what a pity. So much for you and Va .. two glasses.
  28. fa2998
    fa2998 14 January 2016 09: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    And Putin is not to blame

    Putin is to blame for the fact that the provisions of the Constitution (on which he put his hand during the VOW) and the Laws of the Russian Federation are applied ELECTIVELY for Russian citizens! Why does one perish a bag of potatoes or 2 chickens for 3 years, and the other for a billion-dollar theft or a drunk rammed a stop with people- gets off with a suspended sentence, or amnesty or a ridiculous fine ??? It may be recalled-Article 19, paragraph 1- "Everyone is equal before the law and the court." yes hi
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 January 2016 13: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      for billions of thefts or a drunk rammed a stop with people, gets off with a suspended sentence, or amnesty or a ridiculous fine ??? It may be recalled-Article 19, paragraph 1- "Everyone is equal before the law and the court."

      “There will be nobody to work with” (C) Encyclopedia of recent history :-)
  29. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 04 New
    +6
    in Russia theft and corruption are ANYWHERE, and this is AXIOM!
    The system needs to be BROKEN from the inside, but only fanatically-minded patriots of this country can do this, who may someday come to power, although I doubt it very much ...
    If nothing is changed, then Russia will end as Ukraine ...
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  30. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 14 January 2016 10: 33 New
    +1
    It is very bad that no one was imprisoned for thefts of this magnitude - the country has no future if there is no punishment for such theft.
    In neighboring China, the execution of high-ranking corrupt officials is right, regardless of all their past merits.
  31. runway
    runway 14 January 2016 10: 37 New
    +6
    One and a half billion rubles .....
    Isn't it funny?
    Fifty BILLION DOLLARS flow from STA to STA annually from the country (this is official data).
    Then Navalny and his Anti-Corruption Fund discovers estates and firms of senior officials in the US and Europe, while Chaika and his prosecutor's office claim that there are no law violations ....
    In any case, stealing is a crime. But as they say, feel the scale ....
    And we are told that there is nothing to index pensions ....
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  32. gergi
    gergi 14 January 2016 10: 53 New
    0
    Economic sabotage, smear his forehead with brilliant green so as not to bring the infection and shoot there. Relatives leave toothbrushes and bags, let them go around the world. The result will be!
  33. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 14 January 2016 10: 55 New
    +6
    Why are you all scolding thieves here? It’s, as some people write, KhPP. The Sun knows all and sundry. But he doesn’t just steal from thieves, but different. What else do you need? He also changes them in different positions. Everything goes on plan.HPP is called. It's time to shout hallelujah.
  34. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 14 January 2016 11: 07 New
    0
    I think that the capitalist system contributes to the theft from the state.
    At the same time, punitive measures are somehow mild ...
  35. Vega
    Vega 14 January 2016 11: 09 New
    0
    Introduce an article for sabotage and embezzlement with a mandatory (so that the judges had no where to go) life sentence and confiscation of all property.
  36. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 14 January 2016 11: 20 New
    +3
    Generally takeaway brain. It is impossible to imagine such theft, for example, in the "Atomic Project" led by Beria.
  37. jungler
    jungler 14 January 2016 11: 27 New
    +5
    And where is Our August President .... again an attack of political and economic impotence? The other day, the Persians arrested the boats of the Americans plus 10 people .... I doubt that Our Most Serene would dare to do this if it happened like this off the coast of Crimea ...
    1. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 14 January 2016 11: 57 New
      -6
      And you do not doubt dear. Our prisoners are not taken, but simply made "bulk" on the vessel-intruder. Well, there already is "who, by fate should burn, that will not drown (maybe)" repeat
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 14 January 2016 16: 41 New
        +4
        Ours remained in the USSR. And traders Abramovich and their roof "bulk" can only do in your pocket. So do not flatter yourself, dear.
  38. VladimS
    VladimS 14 January 2016 12: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: MarKon
    Is it really difficult to trace all the money transfer chains? It's just that the investigation has no desire, or a green whistle

    And there you can see, there are no fools And no one, directly, takes the “box office”.
    It’s just that the tenders “win the shorts: table, chair and telephone. Then they hire sub-contractors, real builders / installers. Well, significantly overstating the estimate .. they don’t offend themselves as well. Leaving in their pocket not only tips” but also "caviar"
  39. Cobra77
    Cobra77 14 January 2016 12: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: ranger
    Quote: cobra77
    Well, talk about the executions, etc. this is funny

    If you introduce this measure, then they will laugh mostly “untouchables” - with our “independent and incorruptible” system of justice, sixes, if not implicated at all, would be shot ... Anyone who is objectionable could be brought under a firing squad, there’s no person, no problem, ends in the water ...
    And you can also think about introducing such a measure of punishment as "posthumous execution" (as in the case of Popovkin) - as they say, the sheep will be safe and the wolves are full ...


    25 years or life-time from execution is not very different. Just cheaper. The point is not in the measure of punishment, but in applying it for its intended purpose. I think if you received Serdyukov and Co. 15 years for your brother, it would be obvious that the system has forgotten how to forgive. For this, it is not necessary to organize public executions in stadiums. We are still not in Asia.
  40. Ajjh
    Ajjh 14 January 2016 12: 20 New
    +5
    You are so naive ... as children ... the boyars are bad - the king is good. Uncle Pu will come and put things in order. hang a couple of bureaucrats and there will be chocolate. Oh well. good luck!
  41. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 January 2016 13: 17 New
    +8
    Feeling legitimate pride in the outstanding achievements of the Soviet cosmonautics, I would, of course, like to feel pride in the Russian cosmonautics as well. Alas, this is not so.

    This is not to say that there are no achievements. Although the truncated, but the Russian segment of the ISS built; new modifications of manned and cargo ships created. New jet engines have developed. New rockets fly. And all this against the background of the activities of effective managers (otherwise referred to as embezzlement of state property).

    However ... "Angara" did 20+ years. For a rocket that is not a breakthrough in terms of technology, this is a very long time. Moreover, she turned out to be expensive; so far suitable only for launches under the federal program; It doesn’t pull on commercial launches, it won’t pay off. The Science module for the ISS is generally an epic. Fifteen years, from year to year, they wrote “15% readiness” (because it’s the FGB Zarya understudy; iron was made at the same time). finally completed, and ... some shavings were discovered in the fuel lines of the assembled (!!!) module. They began to cut, disassemble; when it flies is unknown. The spent Soviet "Protons", after adding Russian accelerating blocks to them, began to fall suspiciously often; and sometimes even - unthinkable! - through the fault of the first two steps, which must be done like sausages (in the words of Khrushchev). Moreover, the “Unions” began to fall, which already does not climb into any gates at all. Problems began with the "Progress" - never before in the USSR. Satellites do not reach where they need to or fail.

    Of course, the launches of Mars-96 and Phobos-Grunt deserve a separate line. Both are not that they have not reached Mars; they didn’t leave orbit at all. Someone is waiting with hope, and I, with horror, will soon launch the ExoMars mission. It would not work out as before. Along with Phobos-Grunt, they have already lost the Inho-1 Chinese station - a disgrace. Now no matter how dishonored before Europe.

    There are several reasons for this vile state of affairs. One reason is explicitly stated - the theft and activities of space robbers. They are everywhere present in huge numbers; it’s just in the field of astronautics that they are most easily noticed.

    The second reason is that instead of professionals, astronautics are managed by effective managers and managers of financial flows, who are shameful, like the Queen, to crawl around the devices with a screwdriver and on their knees. And it’s not just shameful - it’s generally harmful, because they don’t know anything and don’t want to learn.

    The third reason is the decline in technological culture due to the decline in education and the degradation of the responsibility of performers - those who tighten the screws and solder iron. Gone are the old cadres, who often worked on bare enthusiasm, in three shifts, on New Year's; days did not depart from the instruments. Our notorious education system did not prepare new cadres, and could not. Do not need a multi-point USEshniki; need techies. But our outstanding education leaders convinced everyone that economists, traders and other parasites are more important and more necessary for the country.

    Until these three reasons are eliminated, there will be nothing new in Russian astronautics except Rogozin’s periodic promises that we are about to fly to the moon. Six months later, we will not fly. And the new manned ship will exist in the form of a plywood model, which is dragged from one MAKS to another. And satellites, including SPRN satellites, will fall or track their own ailments instead of rocket launches.
  42. vandarus
    vandarus 14 January 2016 13: 18 New
    +6
    Related to the replacement of heating systems in the center of them. Khrunichev in Moscow. We waited 6 months for the completed work; as a result, they told us: “We understand everything, but only through the court ...” But some people from outer space suggested that we sign acts of work done, for work that we didn’t do, for an appropriate fee. We decided then not to mess with crime, but we had seen enough at the Proton manufacturing plant such that I still don’t understand how they take off at all. They had modules lying on the street for 12 years, and they swept them into the PH with a “broom”. sad
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 14 January 2016 13: 38 New
      +5
      And that is characteristic, it is in the industry, which, along with armaments, is the face of the Country. Shame, shame, nothing else.

      They give contracts for the production of components for rockets to linden companies that have something rivets in garages.

      They had modules lying on the street for 12 years, and they swept them in the PH with a “broom”


      There is a rumor that one of the modules that are now on the ISS (Dawn, it seems) was actually lying on the street.

      And SM Zvezda (also on the ISS now) - its hull was welded in 1985, back in the USSR; this is Salyut-8. Apparently, because in the USSR they did, it works now. But the Russian "Science" still can not clean the chips.
  43. sds87
    sds87 14 January 2016 14: 26 New
    +3
    Shame on the ruling regime! Nothing more to say ...
  44. Finntroll
    Finntroll 14 January 2016 14: 34 New
    +4
    Here it is "Updated Strategy of the National Security of the Russian Federation for 2016." Ugh!
  45. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 January 2016 15: 03 New
    +4
    "The fish rots from the head". "What kind of pop is such a parish."
  46. iouris
    iouris 14 January 2016 17: 37 New
    0
    “Stealing from space ...” is the title of a custom article: space cannot be considered as an injured party.
  47. biplan
    biplan 14 January 2016 18: 15 New
    +1
    A gang of thieves led by the president is sawing the post-Soviet space. Sawing the future of your children. And you sit and watch ZOMBO-TV, read rotten state propaganda sites such as "military review", and catch the chips from the cut ....
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    1. vandarus
      vandarus 14 January 2016 20: 49 New
      +1
      Before pushing the slogans, remember, Russia is spelled with a capital letter.
  49. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 January 2016 21: 17 New
    +1
    As long as liberals rule the ball, the situation cannot be corrected. Their activity is aimed at developing ingenious schemes for withdrawing budget funds into personal pockets. If successful managers steal even in the MO, then what can we say about other ministries. They steal in "this country" and go to live over a hill.
  50. Denimax
    Denimax 14 January 2016 22: 01 New
    0
    If they steal in the "field of ballet", then it’s the end. Now, apparently, they took up the thieves, they often frequented the news. I hope there is progress.