US withdraws Abrams tanks from Latvia

The Pentagon decided that American Tanks Abrams are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the open spaces” of Latvia. The main US military department concluded that it would be more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles. Informational portal Delphi reports that today, on January 13, 2016, the rotation of the American military contingent in Latvia is being carried out, and at the same time tanks are being withdrawn Abrams Books.

170 American troops of the 2 Cavalry Regiment arrived on the territory of the Republic of Latvia and will be based on the local armed forces. The 2 Cavalry Regiment itself is deployed in Germany.

The Adazi military base is abandoned by the Abrams 8 and the Bradley 9 BTR. Tomorrow armored vehicles will arrive in Latvia instead. Stryker, as well as several SUVs Humwee. As reported in the American command, these machines "will be more efficient in Latvian conditions and require less costs for operation and maintenance."

At one time, the Latvian authorities asked American partners to leave tanks in the country on an ongoing basis, apparently not caring about what tasks the American Abrams will perform in the Latvian swamps ... In the Latvian segment of social networks, the withdrawal of American tanks was already called “the end of powerful advertising action ", which was called" Save Latvia from Russian aggression! "

Comments

[RuslanNN]

Did the rats run from the sinking ship?

[Vadim237]

The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.

[Nagaibak]

Vadim237 "This ship will not sink for the next twenty years."
I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

[Vadim237]

They will simply die out, and the other part of the population will disperse to other countries, unless of course the EEC will send crowds of emigrants there.

[2s1122]

But let's look at the Baltic states in the hijab, because there soon Arabs will be considered local.

[Tatyana]

Nagaibak

Vadim237 "This ship will not sink for the next twenty years."

I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

And about G ... they say:
If something floats directly into your hands, then this does not mean at all that this "something" will be exactly gold Can swim and something else.
So it is in the US foreign policy towards countries - their satellites.

[Butchcassidy]

Zatttoo, annii nnnee rrruusskie!

[Nick]

Quote: Nagaibak

Vadim237 "This ship will not sink for the next twenty years."
I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

... but can stick ...

[CONTROL]

Quote: Nagaibak

Vadim237 "This ship will not sink for the next twenty years."
I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

... And in the swamp?

[python2a]

drown in another dermis.

[Alexanderrr]

Quote: Vadim237

The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.

Near Estonia. Therefore, he will plunge slowly ... but inevitably, if he does not stop barking, as ordered from across the ocean!

[Vadim237]

The process of immersion is already underway - the population is small, there is no growth, the young are leaving.

[Lelek]

Quote: Vadim237

The process of immersion is already underway - the population is small, there is no growth, the young are leaving.

But grandiose plans, already hair on end (click.):

[fairmen]

And it’s interesting that Ukrainians know about it, they’ll be glad Lithuania will give gas to Ukrainians because they don’t have to buy anything

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.

--------------------
What ship are you talking about? There is such a ship, without a rudder and sails. And if he doesn’t drown, then he will simply crumble on the shore ...

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Altona

There is such a ship

I stepped onto the ship, and the boat ... turned out from yesterday’s newspaper ... for December 30 2015 .. means from last year’s newspaper.

[novobranets]

Quote: Vadim237

this ship will not sink.

It does not sink at all.

[shooter18]

But the Lithuanians as pro.stitutes ... Americans either enter, then withdraw and do not ask Lithuania))))

[Lelek]

Quote: shooter18

And the Lithuanians as pro-institutes .. Americans either enter, withdraw or do not ask Lithuania

And they have Dalia Grybauskaite, who is accustomed to the process of "bringing in and out." As a president, so is a country.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: shooter18

the Americans then

injected, then withdrawn, and from Lithuania is wonderful out. Americans for Lithuania as a laxative in the process of intercourse, you do one thing and think about the other.

[AFHENOGEN]

.... yat. A bast friend of the United States then introduces it comes out

[ddd1975]

... just do not sink.

[topicrange]

God grant that this ship is not just about to sink, but before that it also pulled.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .
8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

[Alexei]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

From our KVNschikov

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: Alexej

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

From our KVNschikov

and in the Baltics, for ideological reasons, the concert of the ensemble named after A.V. Alexandrov was canceled

[Kent0001]

They have different priorities. Paid. And the ensemble to them. Alexandrova is one of the symbols of Russia. Here are the Balts and scared.

[Lelek]

Quote: Kent0001

They have different priorities.

That's for sure. Overseas Sassans are prettier.

[rubidium]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Kent0001

They have different priorities.

That's for sure. Overseas Sassans are prettier.

og. Especially happy playing on an unconnected electric guitar while sitting on a helicopter.

[abrakadabre]

Actually, this is an acoustic guitar with an additional sound pickup module for connecting like an electric guitar.

[volodimer]

This is the Russian musical special forces! They will lay down the entire Latvian army with their Katyusha. And if the "indestructible and legendary ..." is tightened, everything will be covered with manure at once!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

Where is he in the picture? Sand quarry ?
"Sand pit - 2 Abrams!"

[gozmosZh]

Something I remembered a movie about a replica about a sand pit:

Thousands of abandoned street children roam the expanses of South America. In Brazil, they rummage through garbage, beg and steal. Their house is a street, they are embittered and lonely. In order not to disappear alone, they are knocked down in packs and terrorize the "prosperous" bourgeois. One such flock found refuge among the sand dunes, on the ocean. The people call them - "generals of sand pits." These guys are ready to fight for a piece of bread, and you won’t envy anyone who gets in their way - these boys are dangerous and cruel.

[Nick]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .
8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

So they do not have tanks at all in service, maybe there are a couple of Soviet ones left, somewhere in the museum of "occupation", so for Latvians 8 Abrams is like a whole tank division.

[Grabberxnumx]

I wrote in May 2015 of the year:

Grabber2000 RU 19 May 2015 15: 59 | Latvian railways to equip for transportation of tanks
You will fall into the ditch!
You will drown in a swamp!
Come back! Come back!
Go back home!
K. Chukovsky, Fedorino mountain.

In general, soon we are waiting for what the kettle will say to the iron ..

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

For some reason I remembered the "Tigers" near Mgoy ...

[Kars]

In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

[family tree]

ABOUT! Andrei, has the T-14 been made? Hello!

[Kars]

Quote: perepilka

ABOUT! Andrei, has the T-14 been made? Hello!

I’m waiting for the quilted jacket to be presented. I do not believe that what will be shown on the parade will go to the series in order to collect money for it.
a photo stole from http://karopka.ru/

[AFHENOGEN]

play less games. further FUFLO posts.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Kars

a lot of Abrams tonality should somehow be a thing of the past

Comparison in the image is unreliable. From carrots in general it was necessary to take a chair designed for the landing, in the extreme case the commander.

[Kars]

Quote: Hedgehog

Comparison in the image is unreliable.

You naturally know better.

Quote: Hedgehog

From carrots in general it was necessary to take a chair

What a man had was he put in, for which he thanks.

[regsSSSR]

hello crucian!
oh long time ago I didn’t see here somewhere you had time to sow marshall epaulettes! or maybe it’s not you?
I wanted to brag a little, you can say so with a collection photo)) by a miracle then I managed to take a picture with the T-9 armature on May 14 when they were loaded already on the return trip after the parade from the territory of the former airfield) I certainly am familiar with the common phrase that went around the union) that the Soviet microchips are the largest microchips in the world ))) BUT you know there further in the row stood the T-90 (invisibly unfortunately not visible in the photo) and the T-14 at first glance it didn’t stand out very much from its fellow tribesman, although of course it seemed to look something like more massive

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: regressSSSR

sfotkatka with fittings T-14

And what is your height? This is where you can more or less determine the size of the "armata".

[Kars]

Quote: regressSSSR

or maybe it's not you?

not not me

Quote: regressSSSR

miraculously, it was then possible, in memory of 9, in May to take a picture with the T-14 armature when they were loaded

no smiley envy.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Kars

In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

Abrash for 60, Armata on the Internet 48, as a matter of fact xs.

[Kars]

Quote: Vladimirets

Abrash for 60, Armata on the Internet 48, as a matter of fact xs.

Vryatli it is foam, although there are rumors about light armor. To be honest, I’m more interested in how many shells in the ammunition and a carousel, not a carousel.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Kars

Vryatli he foam, although there are rumors about lightweight armor.

This is understandable only if we consider that the tower is unarmored.

[Kars]

Quote: Vladimirets

This is understandable only if we consider that the tower is unarmored.

The smiley confuses me. The armored tower is a must.

[Extraneous]

Armata tower - uninhabited. The platform is universal - you can mount anything. Armor is composite. there is steel, and ceramics, and also horseradish knows what. Hence the relatively low weight with large dimensions.

[Kars]

Quote: Stranger

Armata tower - uninhabited.

And? Is it easier on this? Or do you think that since there are no people there, you don’t need to book it?

Quote: Stranger

Ronya - composite. there is steel, and ceramics, and also horseradish knows that

The same is true for all tanks of the 3 generation and higher.

Quote: Stranger

Hence the relatively low weight with large dimensions.

Yes, something doesn’t come out.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Kars

since there are no people there is no need to book it?

Why should it be armored from shells, if there is only a gun, cartridges for active protection, at first I thought that the armor on the tower was a fake hiding the contours of the tower, but I watched a movie about Armata on the Zvezda channel, where they “stripped” the tower , and realized that it was purely from large-caliber bullets and nothing more. I think that hinged hull screens are tanks with liquid armor, gel, which, with a dynamic impact, increases its density at the impact site, but gel is only an additive to metal balls inside the tanks, breaking the cumulative jet.

[Kars]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Why book it from shells, if there is only a gun

And who needs a tank in which any effect will deprive the weapon?

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

And who needs a tank in which any effect will deprive the weapon?

You are greatly exaggerating about "any" impact.

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

You are greatly exaggerating about "any" impact.

No, if someone else does not greatly exaggerate in the phrase what to book her.

[Shishiga]

Why arm it from shells, if there is only a gun, cartridges for active protection

Well then, after the first breaking of the tower you will have a friendly team of tractor drivers, and a tractor with an idle implement.

[Kars]

Quote: Shishiga

tractor drivers, and a tractor with an idle implement.

for 8 millions of dollars

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Kars

will strip the weapons?

Quote: Shishiga

first breaking through the tower

Quote: Kars

with an idle gun.

All three at once: Well, you and the darkness! A small excursion into history: By the beginning of the battle of Kursk, all the artillerymen who lost their guns (threw) were sent to other fronts, from other fronts they brought calculations that had victories over tanks. One of the trainings for anti-tank crews with 45s was hitting the barrel of a tank with an armor-piercing projectile, for 122 mm howitzers with a projectile speed of less than 500 m / s, firing volleys at one tank (incapacitating the crew, without breaking through the armor). If you are so afraid for a disabled weapon, then book it along the entire length from the cradle to the barrel cut, since breaking it anywhere is 100% refusal to fire. And one more thing for the "especially gifted" there is no tower, no tower breaking! what to punch if there is no tower. There is a booking for the charging mechanism, which is located in the body of the tank. Learn the history of tank building in order to have an idea of ​​the tank's vulnerabilities: this is the barrel - along its entire length, this is the propeller. Damage to unarmored parts still leads to the temporary failure of the tank.

[Kars]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

one more for the "especially gifted" there is no tower, no tower breaking! what to punch if there is no tower

Well, yes there is no arable land))) thanks for the excursion into history.

[yehat]

Israeli centurions had another weak spot - a plow in the back

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

And? Is it easier on this? Or do you think that since there are no people there, you don’t need to book it?

The T-14 tower is smaller in size, precisely because it is uninhabited. ???

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

The T-14 tower is smaller in size, precisely because it is uninhabited. ???

Yes, here they consider and it turns out that it is not less, but about the same and not yet voiced ammunition.

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

and about the same and not yet voiced ammunition

Ammunition seems to be in the hull ...

[aleksey980]

And then the "foam", the Abrams seem to have uranium layers among the layers of armor. The bulk weight of uranium is more than twice the weight of any steel grade. So much for the weight.

[Kars]

Quote: aleksey980

Abrams seems to have uranium layers among the layers of armor.

there are not many of them only frontal projection. M1A1-ON about 58 tons

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

How much can these comparisons with a top view be laid out already.
It is better to do side and front.
P.S. T-64, T-72, T-80, too, at one time were larger than T-62, and T-62 was larger than T-54 (55), and T-55, etc. ..... the same with them. And by weight, the armature still grows and grows to abrams)

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

It is better to do side and front.

Do you think something will change from this?

Quote: Johnny

P.S. T-64, T-72, T-80 were also larger than T-62,

So everything is fine, since Armata is larger than Abrams and the leopard.

Quote: Johnny

And by weight, the armature still grows and grows to abrams)

Did you weigh it?

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Do you think something will change from this?

what to change? your myth that armata is much more than abrams? I think yes. You can check.

Did you weigh it?

ha ha ha, and you measured it?

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

what to change? your myth that armata is much more than abrams? I think yes. You can check.

You? Believe? Yes for no reason. You don’t upload photos proving that Armata is smaller.

Quote: Johnny

ha ha ha, and you measured it?

Measuring is much easier. Everything is visible. Unlike material density.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

You? Believe?

not believe, but check!)
ps
Your stronghold, too, due to the serving DZ on the sides, looks like a turtle in comparison with its associates. the front armature is the same. Therefore, longer. And the case itself is smaller than it looks visually.

Measuring is much easier. Everything is visible. Unlike material density.

and here you don’t need to know the density. You can only compare the towers visually. Everything is in sight. Or do you want to say that armor in armata is much harder?

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

your stronghold also looks like a turtle compared to its comrades at the expense of serving DZ on the sides

You are not discussing the exterior, and the farther the DZ and the screen from the side, the better. With the standard armored hull width for a post-Soviet tank, you won’t say that about Armata because of the rearrangement of the crew compartment with shoulder to shoulder and three hatches.

Quote: Johnny

Therefore, longer. And the case itself is smaller than it looks visually.

And it looks longer and no less.

Quote: Johnny

and here you don’t need to know the density

What would the weight be determined without density?

Quote: Johnny

You can only compare the towers visually

Even though the tower is smaller, but in fact there are few voids, it’s not known what kind of automatic loader, but it certainly has a density less than that of a .. Negro rocking.

Quote: Johnny

Or do you want to say that armor in armata is much harder?

That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

And the farther DZ and the screen from the side the better.

Well, the DZ armata also comes forward further than the others. On the T-15, in general, the "beak" of the DZ in front is large. Here it is really huge compared to the rest of the BMP.

and three hatches.

two hatches

What would the weight be determined without density?

you also need to know the area and thickness of the material ... do you know?

but in other matters you have already answered

That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Well, in the case of DZ, it comes forward further than in others

Dz does not appear there. There you can clearly see something of the case.

Quote: Johnny

you also need to know the area and thickness of the material ... do you know?

Why do I need this to determine the dimensions and external dimensions?

It would be better of course with the 2 Challenger but what is.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Dz does not appear there. There you can clearly see something of the case.

In these photos you can clearly see how the front protrudes from the front and the rear feed boxes.
http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/242/lanp260.jpg
http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/657/duhb97.jpg

Why do I need this to determine the dimensions and external dimensions?

it is necessary to determine the mass.

It would be better of course with the 2 Challenger but what is.

and again on top)
as if tanks are designed to deal with baboons in trees with RPG-7

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

In these photos you can clearly see how the front protrudes from the front and the rear feed boxes.

It's pretty much the same as on any modern tank. The DZ on the armature lies on the body, and not on any screens, and the forward dimension does not increase by more than 200 mm

Quote: Johnny

it is necessary to determine the mass.

So you need it, you wrote that Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that Armata is larger in volume.

Quote: Johnny

and again on top)

Well, they still didn’t give me a model, but I would have made a leopard, a challenger and an eclair I have)))

Quote: Johnny

as if tanks are designed to deal with baboons in trees with RPG-7

tanks must perform any tasks.

[johnny]

So you need it, you wrote that Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that Armata is larger in volume.

I don’t need) the information that is about 48t is enough for me. But you had some hints

In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

tanks must perform any tasks.

who told you that?

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

I don’t need) the information that is about 48 is enough for me.

Well, your right)) only that you somehow behave strangely - you believe there, you do not believe there)) but oh well.

Quote: Johnny

who told you that?

history of their use. Tank is a weapon of the battlefield.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Well, your right)) only that you somehow behave strangely - you believe there, you do not believe there)) but oh well.

eg?)

history of their use. Tank is a weapon of the battlefield.

the keyword is "field", not a city or a palm forest with baboons on the branches))
in the 96th they also set the task of taking the formidable straight away, what came of this is known ...
any best weapon when misused is a piece of iron, you as a historian should know this)

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

eg?)

reread the last topic

Quote: Johnny

the keyword is "field", not a city or a palm forest with baboons on the branches))

the key word is fighting. And there are no exceptions for palm trees or baboons.

Quote: Johnny

in 96 they also set the task of taking the formidable straight away, what came out of this is known.

where does the menacing?

Quote: Johnny

any best weapon when misused is a piece of iron, you as a historian should know this)

and what against baboons with RPGs there is no skillful use of tanks?

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

reread the last topic

re-read and found nothing, in which he contradicted himself.
maybe you thought?

the key word is fighting. And there are no exceptions for palm trees or baboons.

where does the menacing?

and what against baboons with RPGs there is no skillful use of tanks?

apparently you don’t know the story, and relatively recent.
I advise you to read more about the combat use of tanks in Grozny, at least.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

re-read and found nothing, in which he contradicted himself.
maybe you thought?

I do not.

Quote: Johnny

apparently you don’t know the story, and relatively recent.

I know her perfectly. And even in the New Year’s assault on Grozny, there’s no fault of tanks, the assaults by smaller forces do not often succeed. And you’re already thinking of invincible RPG bobbins.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

I do not.

everything is clear to you)

I know her perfectly. And even in the New Year’s assault on Grozny, there’s no fault of tanks, the assaults by smaller forces are not often successful.

You want to say that the Chechens had more tanks? Or maybe they had artillery with aviation?
And what is the fault of the tanks? You said that there can be no impossible tasks for tanks.

And are you already inventing something about invincible RPG bobuins

.
and also say that you know about the New Year's storming of Grozny.
ps about baboons if you did not understand this was a metaphor)

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Kars

tanks must perform any tasks.

Swim like submarines, fly like fighters, take part in airborne assault forces? Terminator for what was done? In order to fight against infantry and anti-tank maneuvers, because the tank doesn’t succeed, shoot at 26-kilogram grenade launchers, shells.

[Kars]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Swim like a submarine, fly like a fighter, take part in airborne landings

Tanks can walk along the bottom, and the rest is exaggeration.

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Terminator for what was done?

Its Armed Forces adopted for the 12 years?

Quote: shasherin.pavel

because the tank doesn’t succeed, shoot at 26-kg rocket-propelled grenades, with shells.

There are machine guns. Yes, and the shells have long had to be upgraded.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Yes, and shells have long been necessary to carry out the upgrade.

Ainet, as it were with t-90A is coming.
although the sofa expert is probably not aware of this)

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Ainet, as it were with t-90A is coming.

Ainet of course it's cool)) only how many of them are in the troops? Yes, and better than him there are shells and much better for Israel and the Swedes.

[johnny]

as much as the T-90 in the troops.
Well, Israel is certainly better)) who would argue))

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

as much as the T-90 in the troops.

joker)) not every T-90 even has an Internet device.

Quote: Johnny

Well, Israel is certainly better)) who would argue))

Well, at least people from here are more generous))

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

joker)) not every T-90 even has an Internet device.

And what do you think should be there for an Internet device?))

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

And what do you think should be there for an Internet device?))

Distance Installer? No?

[johnny]

to be more precise, the "automatic interval installer, which sets up the projectile to detonate upon reaching a given range" and of course the LD.
By the way, I forgot about B3, most likely they also installed this system on them. After all, it’s stupid not to put it, if the AZs were modernized under a new elongated BPS.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

By the way, I forgot about B3, they most likely also installed this system on them

Well, yes, there wasn’t enough money for a couple of extra DZ blocks, but they put on ainet equipment for which there is no mass production of shells.

Quote: Johnny

if AZ was modernized under a new elongated BPS.

Then the tankers put a liter of skate to the warrior who takes a new gun from Bz, breech, but there are still no winners))

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Well, yes, there wasn’t enough money for a couple of extra DZ blocks, but they put on ainet equipment for which there is no mass production of shells.

do not carry nonsense.
This system is compatible with all the available 125-mm OFS, provided that the standard 3V-21 fuse is replaced with an electronic 3VM-12 fuse.

Then the tankers put a liter of skate to the warrior who takes a new gun from Bz, breech, but there are still no winners))

this does not mean that there is no gopher)
the box would be put, maybe someone would be found)
and where does the breech?

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

to electronic 3BM-12.

that is, these fuses were littered like shoe polish.

Quote: Johnny

this does not mean that there is no gopher)

Who knows.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

that is, these fuses were littered like shoe polish.

I don’t have a shoe box))
But seriously, I think that's enough. It is not "calibers" to iron needles.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

but seriously, I think enough.

There are a lot of tankers on the site. Ask if they saw them at least. Or their comrades who serve.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

There are many tankers on the site.

Yeah one of them you

Ask if they saw them at least. Or their comrades who serve.

ay, tankers did you see them?)))

even if not, then again this means nothing

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Yeah one of them you

I never combed myself to them. And a lot of people will confirm this.

Quote: Johnny

ay, tankers did you see them?)))

Well, you are so negligent - write to the PM.

Quote: Johnny

even if not, then again this means nothing

Naturally, it’s certainly not a tanker for you

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that the volume of Armata is larger.

It is necessary to speak about the reserved volume, at Armata the tower is unarmored, and what part of the Abrams is occupied by the tower in volume?

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

It’s necessary to talk about the reserved volume,

What for?

Quote: Setrac

at Almaty the tower is unarmored

this is nonsense

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

What for?

There are two possible answers:
1 For bread ...
2 Why are you kidding me?

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

There are two possible answers:

there is still a third you write why discuss the reserved volume in this particular case.

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

there is still a third you write why discuss the reserved volume in this particular case.

Because you consider the entire volume of the tank, and the armor, which makes up the bulk of the tank’s mass, protects only the reserved volume, and how many soap bubbles around the tank are there for everyone, it’s strange that you have to explain all this to you.
I draw your attention that the tower of Abrams weighs 20 tons.

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

Because you consider the entire tank volume

I don’t count anything

Quote: Setrac

protects only reserved volume

You get taftalogy

Quote: Setrac

, and how many soap bubbles are there around the tank - everybody cares,

There are a lot of mule bubbles on Abrams, challengers and leklerkas, but this does not cancel out that if the lekler’s tower weighs say 15 tons, and the tower is 16 tons of armata (the numbers are exaggerated) then they weigh so much without taking into account any reserved volumes there. And what’s in the tower Armats may have fewer cavities due to the lack of crew, and that this gives some relief. Since it is clearly visible that the external dimensions from the lack of crew have not decreased.

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

I don’t count anything

Why are these ridiculous excuses?

Quote: Kars

You get taftalogy

It’s not my fault that I have to explain on my fingers

Quote: Kars

And the fact that in the tower of Almaty there are possibly fewer cavities due to the lack of a crew, this gives some kind of relief.

Less reserved volume - proportionally less armor = less tank weight at the same level of protection.

Quote: Kars

Since it is clearly visible that the external dimensions of the lack of crew have not decreased.

Armata - 50 tons.
Abrams - 70 tons.
Abrams Tower - 20 tons.
70-20 50 =
So clearly?

P.S. The Tower of Almaty DOES NOT WEIGHT 16 tons.

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

It’s not my fault that they’ll explain on fingers

You flatter yourself

Quote: Setrac

Less reserved volume - proportionally less armor = less tank weight at the same level of protection.

Why did you get that Armata has a smaller armored volume?

Quote: Setrac

Armata - 50 tons.
Abrams - 70 tons.
Abrams Tower - 20 tons.
70-20 50 =
So clearly?

nonsense

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

Why did you get that Armata has a smaller armored volume?

The allegedly "huge" tower of Armata does not fall under the category of "booked volume".

Quote: Kars

nonsense

I’ll clarify: this nonsense is true.

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

The allegedly "huge" tower of Armata does not fall under the category of "booked volume".

Who told you that?

Quote: Setrac

I’ll clarify: this nonsense is true.

Of course the truth is that you write nonsense.

Quote: Johnny

but the weight ended less than the tower of abrams.

On the basis of what is such a conclusion made?

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

Who told you that?

Common sense told me. The anti-bullet protection of the tower does not have a significant effect on the weight of the tank and the volume of the tower behind the anti-bullet protection cannot be called "reserved."

Quote: Kars

On the basis of what is such a conclusion made?

Based on knowledge of physics and mathematics. According to Malinin-Burenin, 26 (twenty six) is more than 6 (six).

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

Bulletproof tower defense does not significantly affect the weight

Well, if in Armata the bulletproof armor of the tower, then this is definitely the best tank in the world.))))))

Quote: Setrac

Based on knowledge of physics and mathematics.

you flatter yourself again

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

Well, if in Armata the bulletproof armor of the tower, then this is definitely the best tank in the world.))))))

Are you a "work of Dostoevsky" or are you trolling me like that? I will not explain the third time, because I myself have already understood everything.

Quote: Kars

you flatter yourself again

You don’t have to be Einstein to compare double-digit numbers, but if it’s difficult for you, then further dialogue is pointless, you will go to school in first grade.

P.S. And what is the protection of the turret of "the world's best tank Oplot"? Not even protection against bullets and shrapnel? Here are the di6iles of Ukrainian designers!

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

Are you a "work of Dostoevsky" or are you trolling me like that? I won't explain it for the third time because I already understood everything

No, it's just bulletproof booking on an 4 or 5 generation tank, this is an epic))))

[Setrac]

Epic is your lack of profitability. The breech of the gun is protected by bulletproof armor, the bulletproof body kit of the tower is protected, which creates volume, there is no epic here, I’d pay attention that bulletproof armor is protected by what was previously not protected at all.

[johnny]

armored tower.
but the weight ended less than the tower of abrams.

[Kars]

Even the bucket of pan-ram sight on the Bastion, which was memorable in discussions, seems to have pumped over Armata.

[Vadim237]

But you must admit that this "bucket" is not as healthy as at Oplot - the production of which in Ukraine may stop.

[Kars]

Quote: Vadim237

But you must agree that this "bucket" is not as healthy as on Oplot

No, I do not agree, it seems smaller due to the fact that it is relatively closer to the stern of the tower, and so they seem to be the same, plus / minus 20 mm

[Forest]

So the 2 Challenger in the maximum configuration is several tons heavier than Abrams, even with TUSK. Leo will be heavier. But with the T-14, the somehow declared mass in 48-50 tons was sad to think that the sides would be of pressed plywood. And taking into account the fact that a sufficiently large party went to military tests, it will not be radically redone.
If you look at the tanks in profile and full face - Leo and Abrams will be much more massive due to the tower.

[Kars]

Quote: Forest

If you look at the tanks in profile and full face - Leo and Abrams will be much more massive due to the tower.

Unless in profile, and then not much, due to the developed fodder niche.

[johnny]

due to the developed fodder niche.

not just a niche, but also the front of the tower. they have a tower almost the entire length and breadth of a tank.
I don’t know how much the comparison is correct, but in general it seems to be true

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

I don’t know how much the comparison is correct, but in general it seems to be true

Even on a fache, the photo of Armat is larger than Abrams, and even the tower of Abrams is no larger than the new uninhabited tower.

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

Abrams Tower is no more a new non-inhabited tower

The tower of Almaty has bulletproof armor, the tower of Abrams is a full-fledged ballistic projectile.

[Kars]

Quote: Setrac

Armata tower has bulletproof armor

Where did you read that?

[yehat]

you want to say it doesn’t?

[Kars]

Quote: yehat

want to say does not have

It has a protivosnaryadnaya, by the way, it also protects against bullets)) so in a sense

[Setrac]

Quote: Kars

It has a protivosnaryadnaya, by the way, it also protects against bullets)) so in a sense

Not in that sense.
Bulletproof armor covers ONLY the cannon, closes a small volume and has less weight (relative to other tanks), bulletproof armor covers the rest of the turret.

[Forest]

If you look, then most of the T-14 tower is even lighter canopies in the form of DZ, sights, DPU, a place for spare shells. In front projection, this is generally much more. Tomorrow in the Arcade, I will compare the dimensions in 2 projections.

[Kars]

Quote: Forest

even lighter canopies in the form of DZ

I don’t see the canopies in the form of DZ, I see only the screens on the tower, and what is under it is not clear. At the same time, the DZ itself is also not small, the proportion of cc there is not so big, the rest is steel.

Quote: Forest

Tomorrow in the Arcade, I will compare the dimensions in 2 projections.

It will be very interesting.

[Forest]

I consider the true T-14 tower as on one concept.
DZ itself is a fairly voluminous structure, and the screens from above even more so. Here is the promised comparison. To fully view it is better to open in a separate tab and save somewhere.
PS That's what it will be interesting to compare with, it is with the new Polish concept PL-1 and the proposed replacement of Leo 2.

[Kars]

It’s a pity it’s hard to see. And yet, the frontal projection seems to be more for Armata. And can’t you calculate the area there?

And as for the true tower, the shells will fly into the circuit,

[Forest]

The picture is viewed in full size if opened in a new tab. The area can be calculated - frontal projection, taking into account everything - 8,77 m2, of which the tower 2,83 m2; side projection taking into account the cannon and everything - 17,93 m2, of which the tower 4,19 m2. For Abrams, the area of ​​the frontal projection is 7,86 m2, of which the towers are 2,85 m2; side projection 14,09 m2, of which the tower 4,98 m2.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

neither t

It seems I was right)) and you are all from the top to the top))))

Quote: Forest

The area can be calculated - frontal projection, taking into account everything - 8,77 m2, of which the tower 2,83 m2; side projection taking into account the cannon and everything - 17,93 m2, of which the tower 4,19 m2. For Abrams, the area of ​​the frontal projection is 7,86 m2, of which the towers are 2,85 m2; side projection 14,09 m2, of which the tower 4,98 m2.

thank you

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

It seems I was right)) and you are all from the top to the top))))

Yes, you are a seer straight.
Only now I did not see a big difference with the abrams. Moreover, the pictures are not understandable with some kind of size. And even if a little more so what of it? I already wrote to you that each next generation of tanks is larger than the previous one. From this they did not become worse.
And here you are fixated on the sizes specifically. By your logic, the best tank then is the MC-1

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

thank you

I want to upset you. The picture by which Lesnoy compared was generally not correct. the distance between the rollers is too large. height also from the ceiling.
Compared to rollers 700mm.

[johnny]

same thing in front. If you look at the width of the caterpillar

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

same thing in front. If you look at the width of the caterpillar

Quote: Johnny

I want to upset you. The picture by which Lesnoy compared is generally not correct

And what do I mean? All questions to the forest. Your picture is generally clearly not on a scale.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

And what do I mean? All questions to the forest. Your picture is generally clearly not on a scale.

More or less to scale. Yes, in your photo above, there is no such difference as that of the forest one.
on skating rinks it is necessary to compare, then more or less scale can be adjusted.

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

More or less to scale.

even with the naked eye it can be seen that even no more.

Quote: Johnny

Yes, in your photo above, there is no such difference as that of the forest one.

he has no top view to compare. but you can discuss it with him.

His numbers are very similar to reality, as it can be seen that Armata is larger.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

His numbers are very similar to reality, as it can be seen that Armata is larger.

his figures are nonsense

[Kars]

And your picture is obvious falsification)))

[johnny]

go to the bathhouse ...

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

go to the bathhouse ...

Well, what are you so worried. It is clear that more)))

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Quote: Johnny

go to the bathhouse ...

Well, what are you so worried. It is clear that more)))

I worry that the armata is as much more than the abrams)))

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

I worry that the armata is as much more than the abrams)))

Well, at least you already recognize that Armata is not less than Abrams)) already progress

[Kars]

____________________

[SCHNIFER]

Andryusha, tell us Luchchi about the "outstanding achievements" of the Malyshevites in irrepressible modernization ... demonization of the eighty-four, eh?

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

Andryusha, tell us Luchchi about the "outstanding achievements" of the Malyshevites in irrepressible modernization ... demonization of the eighty-four, eh?

What do you tell me?

[Kars]

Although I am kind. Moreover, there is a bit of news

[SCHNIFER]

Andrush, will we wait until the Oblomov battalion will pass like a knife through butter all the way to the Urals? Well, with that additional power plant, thermal imaging channels and super armor? Thais are loshars, they gave up such happiness! Although they themselves say that the disruption of delivery was only a welcome reason to dismiss such "happiness", they lie, you bastards?

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

Thais here are loshars, abandoned such happiness!

))) in the photo tanks are just for Thais)) And show the official refusal, then come.

[SCHNIFER]

Quote: Kars

in the photo tanks are just for Thais

Ay-yay-yay, Andryusha, it's not good for elders to lie. Here in your zhu-zhu you express yourself differently: "... Jan. 15th, 2016 at 12:47 AM write that" Now the work on it is going on as usual ")))
In reality, according to the photo, the 12th tank is on the move, there are 4 more in the assembly (pictured) ... "

Thailand announced its decision isho at the end of 2015

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

Thailand announced its decision isho at the end of 2015

Don’t toss a link?

Quote: SCHNIFER

Jan. 15th, 2016 at 12: 47

and what are the problems? 16 year))) the next batch by the end of February.

[SCHNIFER]

On this let me take my leave, all the best to you

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

On this let me take my leave, all the best to you

And so what? There is no reference to the fact that Thailand officially terminated the contract? Well, it happens))) maybe the next time it’s lucky.

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

))) in the photo tanks are just for Thais)) And show

Shaw, again? scrapped off three old 80s from the old paint and you push in the poor Thais

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Shaw, again? scraped from the old paint three 80ki

Well, this is a Thais problem, they accept. And you cannot prove it)))

[johnny]

Why are they collecting a helmet in helmets? Afraid that she will fall on top of them? Or DZ fall off

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Why are they collecting a helmet in helmets?

Are you a manager by profession?

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

Are you a manager by profession?

Did not guess...

[Kars]

Quote: Johnny

Did not guess...

but obviously not a factory worker to ask such nonsense

[SCHNIFER]

And you, sir, are strikingly mercantile ...

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

And you, sir, are strikingly mercantile ...

I won’t deny it. Moreover, I have mitigating factors. I lost a good job from .. returning .. Crimea.

[SCHNIFER]

I think otherwise. Is it not that the first model you built was M1A2, not object 434, not?

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

I think otherwise.

about what

Quote: SCHNIFER

Is it not that the first model you built was M1A2,

most certainly not A2 but A1-on and T-64 models either did not exist at all or there was a Scythian

[SCHNIFER]

Quote: Kars

and the T-64 model either did not exist at all or there was a Scythian

But it was necessary to take and try a model designer to try it yourself, so to speak, and the Bialowieza agreements did not agree, and the business in Crimea flourished ...

[Kars]

Quote: SCHNIFER

But it was necessary to take and try a modeller-designer myself

Not mine))

Quote: SCHNIFER

Lyady - and the Bialowieza agreements did not agree

You have some wild analogies. For reference, my first tank was in 1998 or 97, the second was a leclerc, then M109, and after the T-55

[SCHNIFER]

Sorry, my young friend ...

[johnny]

and here the sizes are completely different)
sofa experts

[Forest]

Don’t worry, I’ll review the dimensions from the ratio with the T-90 with a photo where the tanks are visible from above.

[yehat]

that you powder the people’s brains, it all fits together!
the sizes on the right are one, and on the left are completely different!
no one said that Armata is symmetrical)))

[Forest]

Here is that concept

[SCHNIFER]

not so far from the concept, if without screens

[johnny]

only the "concept" for some reason has 6 rollers

[SCHNIFER]

Tse so, but the VAZ X-ray ka be differs from the concept, but unfortunately, not in the best direction ...

[Forest]

Figure, which took the dimensions of the 14.

[johnny]

drawing sheer nonsense at the distance between the rollers just look

[Dam]

Or ceramic

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Forest

in 48-50 tons of sad thoughts

A 76-mm projectile weighing 6 kg, when it hits the armor at 90 degrees (without ricochet), releases energy equal to the daily work of the Dneproges. And 26 kg., ??? The commander of the SU-122 with a 122 mm howitzer in his memoirs recalls how they fired at the "tiger" with a volley of 4 guns, after the first volley the crew got out of the tank and the tankers vomited blood. Not a single penetration of the frontal projection, and four "Tigers" were taken as trophies. With modern ammunition, any hit is either a penetration or contusion of the crew. Now, the first place is not confronting the projectile, but shooting first and knocking down the gunner's sight. Active protection - disabling electronic sights and destroying ATGMs when approaching a tank.

[Setrac]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

A 76-mm shell weighing 6 kg when hit in armor at 90 degrees (without rebounding) releases energy equal to the daily work of the Dnieper.

Where do you get such crap from?

[yehat]

and again it all fits together! you just don’t know what Dneproges does at work

[yehat]

and you have not mixed up the length with the mass?
by the way, can you bring 3 masses of abrams - completely naked, with a set of mounted frontal armor and with a kit for the city
it seems the latter is approaching 80 tons

[Yura]

The Pentagon decided that the American Abrams tanks are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the vastness” of Latvia.

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

In addition, at any turn or even a simple turn, Abrams crawls out of the dimensions of Latvia, and after all, Russian border guards can pull tankers out of towers and kick them.

[Armax]

The Latvian Nazis were first encouraged: “Let’s save Latvia from Russian aggression!”, And now they’re like: toys that are expensive for you, have played and that's enough.

[shasherin.pavel]

So after all, there is half an hour ahead from one border to another, and two hours in reverse, if "Abrass" tries to turn around there, then the cannon can get into the territory of neighbors. And eight ...

[Sasha 19871987]

Baltic crush in shock cry in horror and country in front of the tank armada from the east ...

The military base in Adazi is leaving 8 "Abrams" and 9 armored personnel carriers "Bradley". Instead, Stryker armored vehicles, as well as several Humwee SUVs, will arrive in Latvia tomorrow. As reported in the US command, these machines "will be more efficient in Latvian conditions and require less operating and maintenance costs."

... yeah, what a power

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: sasha 19871987

Baltic crush in shock cry in horror

Come on! They, on the contrary, and in ecstasy - the Americans introduced them, brought them out. Soon they will be introduced again, but smaller.
Moreover, why should they be afraid? After all, the Latvian Armed Forces have their own tanks - three T-55s. One of them, they say, is even on the go.

[Major Yurik]

Well, yes, cultivating arable land with Labas tanks is expensive even for the Yankees.

[dmi.pris1]

Just sprats are over .. Try to feed the tank company ..

[Misha Honest]

The Pentagon decided that the American Abrams tanks are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the vastness” of Latvia. The main US military department came to the conclusion that it is more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles.

The giraffe finally realized that he was stuck in a swamp!

[lelikas]

Quote: RuslanNN

Did the rats run from the sinking ship?

No - it's just too expensive - all the money went to a new seat that wouldn't break the pilot's neck for the "penguin". And the Latvians will do well with the Humvee, as Porosenko rejoiced at their arrival - he personally went to meet them.

[Vend]

Quote: RuslanNN

Did the rats run from the sinking ship?

Well no. They just thought to frighten Russia. We will now bring the Abrams to Latvia, Russia will get scared and say the US is the world hegemon. But it was not there. Only the EU and Australia have a relationship with the United States, as in Krylov's fable "Yes Pug, they know they are strong if they bark at an elephant"

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: RuslanNN

The rats ran

They bring out lice, plant fleas so that Latvians don’t forget to itch.

[Virus 2015]

Why Latvia needs American tanks? They won what armored cars are ...)

[Dmitry Toderes]

But what are 8 tanks capable of doing? For the sake of what did they hold, or did they think that 8 antediluvian Abrams would save Latvia, which did not even have an automatic loader and, accordingly, the rate of fire depends on the crew’s fatigue? Here Latvians remind Indians who believed that Europeans are sons of gods, and they are indestructible, also Latvians believe that Americans are indestructible. They live in error, but they cannot live without foreign troops - after all, so many f * ck were poured onto the Russian Federation, now the toy terrier is scared.

[yehat]

it’s not worth it to idiocy to bring talk about rate of fire and loader
where did you see that the tank is standing and continuously dispensing shells from the hose?
The vast majority of skirmishes will be limited to less than 10 shots.
besides, overheating of the main gun will also not allow to shoot for a long time, even though load the shells with ribbons.
Or do you mean an apocalyptic and no less delusional situation, when a super-masked Abrams faces a long field, thousands of T-54 tanks barely crawl through it, and he shoots as it reloads? So it won’t be like that at all.
In Europe, the terrain is such that tanks often collide at close range.

[AdekvatNICK]

just as it turned out, not all bridges withstand them

[Vadim237]

Bridges are all reinforced concrete, with a large margin of safety and the fact that they will not stand it is not worth hoping.

[AdekvatNICK]

I read somewhere when they were thrown only that in Latvia only a couple of bridges can withstand.

[lysyj bob]

During the fighting, the bridges may not appear at all, but in those parts every half a kilometer there is a water barrier. They do not have PMP under Abrams. From autumn to spring - dampness, dirt and mud. It remains only to bury in the ground and use as a fixed firing point, and this is a little expensive.

[BARKHAN]

And I liked the name -CAVALERY !!!
It’s good that they are not musketeers. Well, how did the proud Baltic states react to this? Or do we have to wait a bit for the news to reach them and the brain to digest what happened?

[Kars]

Quote: Barkhan

And I liked the name -CAVALERY !!!

I don’t understand what’s funny. The continuity of names since the First World War, rearmament was underway, but there are names.

[igorkuzik]

Who will come to us with a sword ...

[HAM]

.... that one screams and dies ...

[Dam]

He will get screaming

[family tree]

Wake up hip, sweep leg

[dchegrinec]

Even before they were transferred there, the hedgehog understood that this was an empty undertaking. Americans, as always, make funny maneuvers. There must be a lot of money ..

[Al_oriso]

Now poor Latvia was left without protection. Maybe the volume of your bark in our direction will decrease. May remember the Russian language.

[yehat]

and the Russian Federation probably does not buy sprats, because they were left without NATO protection
and hopes to overcome them by force))))

[jovanni]

"The Pentagon decided that American Abrams tanks are not the kind of military equipment that can show its effectiveness" in the vastness "of Latvia ..."

Yeah! First, all the sprats were crushed, and then it came to ...

[Primus pilus]

What open spaces of Latvia are you talking about?

[Yura]

Quote: Primus Pilus

What open spaces of Latvia are you talking about?

How is this about, as many as eight tanks are placed there.

[volodimer]

If stacked up!

[Lanista]

But no one thought that maybe the amers needed Abrams in another direction?

[BMP-2]

In the direction where the SGA is sent and directed by all, the Abrams are not their helpers!

[Rokossovsky]

At one time, the deployment of armored vehicles was a political action.
The action was a success, elections to the European Parliament were held, oligophrenics remained in power in Latvia. Further

require less operation and maintenance costs

Nothing personal just business...

[Sausuolis]

And in neighboring Lithuania they began to keep them for chronization, new warehouses are equipped.

[Mercenary]

Poor Balts! They were exposed from all sides, from the back they were used by a "free geyropa", and from the front the Americans put them up for abuse by the "aggressive bear". Only one remains in the sea to the sprats ...

[Woodman]

In the Latvian segment of social networks, the withdrawal of American tanks has already been called "the end of a powerful advertising campaign," which was called "Save Latvia from Russian aggression!"

Well said!

[Sergey-8848]

What an owl about a stump,
What a hemp on an owl
All one - do not live an owl.

With "Abrams" the Latvians were divorced for a certain amount, now with "Humvee" - for a more decent one. And again the pretext is specious (threat from the East). And after all, these very, very Europeans will not understand that they have one end (like that owl). And if they were just milked until now, now they will start squeezing.

[Maksus]

The 8 Abrams and the 9 Bradley armored personnel carriers are leaving the military base in Adazi. Instead, Stryker armored vehicles, as well as several Humwee SUVs, will arrive in Latvia tomorrow.

As well as two Batman, a Rambo squad and one Spider-Man.

[Mountain shooter]

The PR campaign is over, you can quietly remove the decorations. The Baltic lapdogs have not yet realized that the striped hegemon does not need them at all. They have already fulfilled their role - also propaganda. And then - all unnecessary costs will be reduced.

[Engineer]

Derive, then you can borrow)

[Gormenghast]

They probably realized that the Abramsa bridges could not stand it, and the railway platforms too (except for special Soviet ones). Or maybe the truth is that Abrams does not fit into the railway gauge at all.

In the Baltic states, the zrad is unambiguous.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Gormengast

They probably realized that the Abramsa bridges could not stand it, and the railway platforms too (except for special Soviet ones).

As the practice of the same Baltic states has shown, "Abrams" feel great on a standard Soviet / Russian railway platform.

[Gormenghast]

Really fit; do not mind. The platform is apparently 75-ton.

[igordok]

Quote: Gormengast

Really fit; do not mind. The platform is apparently 75-ton.

They are placed on platforms with European gauge.

[igordok]

Quote: Alexey RA

As the practice of the same Baltic states has shown, "Abrams" feel great on a standard Soviet / Russian railway platform.

I think Russian Railways (and transported them in my Russian Railways) for oversized cargo scraped money.

[W1975]

And not a single partisan was found there ... The Germans at one time also thought they would drive to Moscow on a white horse.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: W1975

And not a single partisan was found there ...

Belarusian partisans greased the rails with solid oil, after which the fascist echelons stopped only in Vladivostok. (C)
Sorry, could not resist.

[family tree]

Quote: Alexey RA

Sorry, could not resist. smile

In! Happy Holiday. And thanks for the laughter

[volodimer]

Yeah, and you think that at the base of the supports of the bridge to Russky Island is

[family tree]

Quote: volodimer

that at the base of the supports of the bridge to Russky Island is

Yes, as usual, a drawing, the masonry is knocked out, a niche is opened, well, God forbid, put the boxes with TNT there. In general, all the big bridges have this feature, so it's not a secret for a long time At the school, the military instructor told me about this even in school, in the year 78

[yehat]

tanks? I saw only 1 silhouette that looked like a tank, and the rest was Bradley and so on.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

These are they, the Americans! They will torture poor but honest Latvia and leave!

[Vadim237]

Threw and threw.

[Mihalich17]

Truly the Baltics are the birthplace of the "victims" of Ostap Bender! )))
Remember his legendary: "Abroad will help us (you)"!
And here is the natural result of the US agitation industry "crept up" ... Suddenly!))
And every time they (the United States) have this "enticement" rolls! )))
Well, what can I say? - About ... balts, there are pro ... alty!
Little sprats ...

[Aleks tv]

I cannot understand why a "Latvian patriot" has not yet appeared who has stolen an abrashka from a wild eastern neighbor?
Where is the GRU looking?


We really need an abrashka for shelling, or, at worst ... to Kubinka in the hangar of foreign vehicles.
And then such an opportunity disappears, and a lot of money is spent on driving.

And, I realized, the overseas gusli is afraid of our dirt ...
Well, that’s logical.
Then the hijacking really doesn’t work out.
Eheh.

[family tree]

Quote: Aleks tv

Then the hijacking really doesn’t work out.
Eheh.

Hi Alexey, with you coming
Duc, this, there was no order to see, otherwise they would carry it on the handles, cho

[Aleks tv]

Quote: perepilka

Hi Alexey, with you coming

Quote: perepilka

Hi Alexey, with you coming

Volodya, mutually!

And everyone - with the MOST RUSSIAN Holiday coming today !!!
Happy New Year!
Turnovers !!!

[family tree]

Quote: Aleks tv

Turnovers !!!
drinks drinks drinks

Our motto is "Pedal Down!"

[Gomel]

such pictures and with our technology is full :)
and Egypt will drive us to abrams if Che.

[family tree]

Quote: Gomel

and Egypt will drive us to abrams if Che.

In Egypt, the export option, lobeshnik without uranium.

[Uhalus]

Why steal? And so, probably, everything is known, this is an old tank.
In such mud everything will drown, that ours, that not ours.

[family tree]

Quote: Uhalus

Why steal?

In general, this is not a tank. It was made as an anti-tank one, only for export depleted uranium is removed from the forehead, and its density is high. Alexey correctly said that a native lobster would be cumulative, by how much, and "crowbars" too

[Mahal Makhalych]

Obama leaked?

[asiat_61]

It’s a pity that the war rolls were canceled, the tanks have no where to turn, not a desert. But a swamp.

[Dam]

Well, the iron does not go through the swamp, does not go even to cry

[Amurets]

Quote: Damm

Well, the iron does not go through the swamp, does not go even to cry

So in the second armored prototype, the equipment should be appropriate: Perchersons or Vladimir heavy trucks. Well maybe mammoths.

[family tree]

Quote: Amurets

Well maybe mammoths.

FIG. Tanks ride sappers. By the way, on the engineering troops, and where the sapper will not pass (well, like a fantasy), there’s no need to make a tank

[Vitaly Anisimov]

We walked not badly in Latvian bars and restaurants ... It's already boring to see! It’s already interesting ..

170 US troops of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment

Decided to save ... Latvians at stables will remove manure!

[tim195861]

In principle, it is better to know REALITIES. For we are talking about the reconnaissance unit (armored cavalry regiment), which has vast experience acquired in the course of fulfilling duties on the border of the Federal Republic of Germany with the German Democratic Republic and Czechoslovakia. And the name is just a tribute to tradition.

[4ekist]

In vain they deduce that the tank boys have already become familiar with Latvia. We have already found out where the local eateries are, where you can go a little, if you want in a big city, met local girls. Everything is lost, everything is lost ...

[Samen]

Is the horror backing up ???
Or is this a secret tactical maneuver?

[Halfunra]

It might be better to immediately transfer them to World of tank, to the sixth level.

[The black]

Derived on the basis of humane considerations! It’s just that in great Latvia, when the tank starts on one border, it is heard on the opposite, which leads to involuntary urination and loose stools among Latvian generals who think that RUSSIANS ARE GOING!

[Thunderbolt]

“We don’t need abrams here, they’ll drown in the very first swamp” --- Head of the Latvian Ministry of Defense Raimonds Vejonis (current President of Latvia). Spring 2015.

[Cananecat]

Apparently already flew into the exercises))))

[Gomel]

the U.S. military department concluded that heavy tanks should be replaced with less massive armored vehicles

It looks like the Pentagon translators got their hands on the site "VO" Ha-ha !!!!

[Primus pilus]

Quote: Lanista

But no one thought that maybe the amers needed Abrams in another direction?

8 Abramsov in any direction will not decide what.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

170 US troops 2nd cavalry shelf,

So where are the horses?

[Primus pilus]

Abrams and Bradley their horses.

[Shark Lover]

Is Abrams really so huge or does it seem so in the photo? On the tower, a person is generally like a louse-small. 72 takes him in the forehead?

[lysyj bob]

The Abrams are too heavy for the European DB theater with its rugged terrain. They are only suitable for savannas, deserts and prairies. But what will replace them, the decommissioned M-48 aphids M-60? Although, for these warriors and "Shermans" will come down.

[Gomel]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

In the Baltics, for ideological reasons, the concert of the ensemble named after A.V. Alexandrov was canceled

Let's be honest. Not for ideological reasons, but quite out of fear. Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army named after A.V. Alexandrov, if desired, can really capture Lithuania or Estonia or Latvia.

[mpzss]

I found a note here on Zvezda: "An inglorious campaign: how Soviet missiles perforate American tanks in Yemen" (picture from there), maybe the Americans are simply afraid to let local aborigines approach their tanks !?

[Alexey RA]

Yes, it turned out quite uncomfortable in Yemen - when on one of the videos the "Abram" was knocked out of the old "Fagot".

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Now these abrashchiks will be moved to Poland so that they drown in saliva on joys.

[Flinky]

What, lieutenant, is the money run out again?

[Belarus]

US withdraws Abrams tanks from Latvia

It will turn out to replace less maneuverable with more nimble ?????

[SklochPensioner]

Forgive my incompetence: 25 (or even 70?) Years - down the drain ?!

Okay - years - and money ?! And hopes (here we are, if that!)? !!

Ay.yay.yay ... Ts-ts-ts ... VladimVladimych, and maybe, all the same, MUCH? !! All over this bullshit ...

[vobels]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

170 American soldiers of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment arrived at the territory of the Republic of Latvia, located at the base of the local armed forces

So they will pay for the "first - second" and the first will sit on the second. Anything will be cheaper than keeping abrahams.

[JonnyT]

logical decision. The transport infrastructure is underdeveloped, logistics, maintenance and supply are very difficult. Maintenance is expensive. 8 tanks will not stop a probable "invasion". The psychological pressure did not work out.

The Americans will gather their tank forces into "fists" in the main directions. And the Baltic states, in case of war, they still will not hold and they perfectly understand this.

[chunga-changa]

In Latvia they really have nothing to do, but in Lithuania - yes, it will be interesting for tankers there.

[comby]

Christmas trees, sticks ... but how are we going to fulfill the plan for the delivery of scrap metal? Such views were iron coffins ...

[Hey]

What for they are needed, uranium is used in their armor.

[sw6513]

Tanks decrease, Amerovskie litter put on adult diapers ...

[TOR2]

The military base in Adazi is leaving 8 "Abrams" and 9 armored personnel carriers "Bradley".

It's a pity!! We actually need a sample in Kubinka. In the "clinic" for experiments, several pieces. You can also go to military schools so that the cadets get acquainted. The most lame specimens would have gone as targets !!! And now all this splendor is being taken away for no one understands. It is necessary for Latvia to declare a protest and impose sanctions.

[evge-malyshev]

170 American troops of the 2 Cavalry Regiment arrived on the territory of the Republic of Latvia and will be based on the local armed forces. The 2 Cavalry Regiment itself is deployed in Germany.

Did you decide to leave the horses in Germany?

[v.yegorov]

The main US military department came to the conclusion that it is more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles.

Well, yes, and the "Latvian riflemen" against the black cavalrymen, since the local "fighters"
served on the run.

[colonel manuch]

That’s where they belong. Or maybe they just realized that the Russians aren’t going anywhere and they just don’t need to anger them (us), otherwise if we go back, it won’t seem like much. Isn’t it clear: don’t touch Russia, we don’t need someone else’s, but for our own. .....

[madjik]

We will have our own armored hooves regiment for their 2nd Cavalry Regiment

[wicked pinnochio]

Why can’t they put an automatic loader in the Abrams or don’t want to leave Obama without a job?

[Mavrikiy]

Come on, they got it.
Here is how it was. After 70 years, the work on generalizing the use of Tiger tanks on the eastern front is coming to an end. Conclusion. It won't work. Seal. Signature. We looked out the window and became sad, but it definitely wouldn’t work.
Well, what took so long to analyze, the consequences of eating hamburgers, however, make themselves felt.

[Ros 56]

I said some time ago, more precisely in December, that they would not fit in the vast expanses of Latvia, apparently it just dawned on me.

[seregatara1969]

Are they starting to rust? Is the dampness not good?

[adena]

Again, the Hans only had the armored lysopeds left, although...it seems like the lemongrass sold their scrap to them for real money.

[gergi]

The fuckers are terrified! They're leaving! They're going to Ptiburdyukov! So live in horror. Ondons!

[TsUS-Air Force]

It would be good if it weren't so bad. After all, you’re right, in the Baltic and Pskov swamps, light equipment is better than such heavy equipment

[wandlitz]

In the 90s, the Balts made good money on ferrous metal from Russia. Maybe this is why the Americans asked for heavy tanks.

[SIMM]

That's right!
With this, it will be more familiar with this...)

[Tanarri]

This is what people mostly drive in Russia. Ural is a modified version of the BMW R71.

[yehat]

judging by their equipment, this is not the Wehrmacht, but the police
a guy's gun in a cradle was used exclusively by the police

[Jack-b]

They put it in and out.... it comes out wonderfully.

[Brigadier]

But I'm worried about something else! No matter how it turns out that when this “independence” Baltic states finally falls apart and, in search of salvation from political and food death, it begins to look for ANY way out of the situation, including asking to return to the hand of Russia, which is quite acceptable... So , I am worried that our leaders will not again fall for their speeches about “brotherly peoples” and begin to pump funds into them, as was the case during the Soviet era, so that later they will betray us again! And this may well be... We are so kind and forgiving... Ugh!!!

[vandarus]

Whether it’s tanks or armored personnel carriers, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to demonstrate presence. “If one karateka is already sitting on the bench, then the other karateka, in order to avoid mutual injuries, does not climb on the bench.” This principle was in force in world politics until 1991, but now it is being revived. The main thing is to be the first to take a “stool”. And to really counteract the hypothetical RA breakthrough into the Kaliningrad region, it is enough to “give each Baltic a Javelin” .

[Wolka]

all this initially pointed to the incompetence and absurdity of the Yankees’ decision to deploy heavy armored vehicles in the Baltic states, it seems that the Yankees’ General Staff are obvious lazy people, they don’t understand geography or topography, they’re trying to scare Russia into it...

[Indifferent]

For those who don't know. Most of the native Baltic people leave their native lands, seeking happiness in Western countries of Europe and the USA. And there remain “non-citizens” who don’t even have normal passports. So soon “non-citizens” will become the majority.
And then they will first repeal the law on non-citizens. Secondly, they will re-elect puppets as normal politicians and hold a referendum on joining Russia. They will be the majority...
If you don't believe me, be patient for 10 years!

[vell.65]

That's right, if running on heavy equipment is not so convenient and fast.

[Old old]

The Abrams was originally designed to fight Soviet tanks, and not as a strike or breakthrough weapon (exclusively armor-piercing ammunition, planned tactics for use in Europe - shooting from the reverse slopes of hills, etc.).
Using the Abrams on soft soils in the Baltic states, especially during the muddy season (spring-autumn), is quite problematic.
When used in the forest (ambush, parking), due to the high temperature of the exhaust, problems will arise with the ignition of trees and bushes behind (in Iraq, when towing one tank with another, the towed one was set on fire by the exhaust and completely burned out). Full operation of the gun from the APU is impossible.
The effectiveness of "Abrams" in limitrophes is extremely doubtful.

[Balagan]

So victory has reached the Latvians.

[Balagan]

Quote: vandarus

Whether it’s tanks or armored personnel carriers, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to demonstrate presence. “If one karateka is already sitting on the bench, then the other karateka, in order to avoid mutual injuries, does not climb on the bench.” This principle was in force in world politics until 1991, but now it is being revived. The main thing is to be the first to take a “stool”. And to really counteract the hypothetical RA breakthrough into the Kaliningrad region, it is enough to “give each Baltic a Javelin” .

Come on, you can put a couple of your own benches opposite

[LeftPers]

"...170 American soldiers of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment arrived on the territory of the Republic of Latvia..."
We got into it.

[Evil 55]

It’s just that the Latvians ordered innovative “jumping” tanks from UKRALIN, capable of jumping on the spot and biting the hands of the giver... They will arrive on rotation from Zaporozhye...

[SCHNIFER]

Quote: Kars

and the T-64 model either did not exist at all or there was a Scythian

But it was necessary to take and try a model designer to try it yourself, so to speak, and the Bialowieza agreements did not agree, and the business in Crimea flourished ...

[Gippo]

They took me out! Eight Abrams! Eight, Karl!
How afraid they are of us, it’s just terrible....

[senator232]

Russian aerospace forces are dropping cargo in Syria, and soon armored vehicles will fly in the same way, even smaller ones. We'll rake a little bit there and talk more closely with our neighbors))) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO3Gn3KjFZU

[Wajra-3]

"....170 American troops of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment..."
During the next rotation, the equipment will be replaced with horses. This is better suited for Latvia. And it’s easier to care for and cheaper to maintain.