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US withdraws Abrams tanks from Latvia

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The Pentagon decided that American Tanks Abrams are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the open spaces” of Latvia. The main US military department concluded that it would be more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles. Informational portal Delphi reports that today, on January 13, 2016, the rotation of the American military contingent in Latvia is being carried out, and at the same time tanks are being withdrawn Abrams Books.


US withdraws Abrams tanks from Latvia


170 American troops of the 2 Cavalry Regiment arrived on the territory of the Republic of Latvia and will be based on the local armed forces. The 2 Cavalry Regiment itself is deployed in Germany.

The Adazi military base is abandoned by the Abrams 8 and the Bradley 9 BTR. Tomorrow armored vehicles will arrive in Latvia instead. Stryker, as well as several SUVs Humwee. As reported in the American command, these machines "will be more efficient in Latvian conditions and require less costs for operation and maintenance."

At one time, the Latvian authorities asked American partners to leave tanks in the country on an ongoing basis, apparently not caring about what tasks the American Abrams will perform in the Latvian swamps ... In the Latvian segment of social networks, the withdrawal of American tanks was already called “the end of powerful advertising action ", which was called" Save Latvia from Russian aggression! "
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  1. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 13 January 2016 14: 31 New
    17
    Did the rats run from the sinking ship?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 14: 32 New
      13
      The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
        64
        Вадим237"Ближайшие двадцать лет этот корабль не утонет."
        I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 January 2016 14: 44 New
          +9
          They will simply die out, and the other part of the population will disperse to other countries, unless of course the EEC will send crowds of emigrants there.
          1. 2s1122
            2s1122 13 January 2016 16: 49 New
            15
            But let's look at the Baltic states in the hijab, because there soon Arabs will be considered local.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 13 January 2016 19: 44 New
              +4
              Nagaibak
              Вадим237"Ближайшие двадцать лет этот корабль не утонет."
              I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

              And about G ... they say:
              Если что-то плывёт вам прямо в руки, то это ещё совсем не значит, что это "что-то" будет именно золото laughing Can swim and something else.
              So it is in the US foreign policy towards countries - their satellites.
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            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 15 January 2016 09: 03 New
              0
              Zatttoo, annii nnnee rrruusskie! wassat
        2. Nick
          Nick 13 January 2016 14: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: Nagaibak
          Вадим237"Ближайшие двадцать лет этот корабль не утонет."
          I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

          ... but can stick ... lol
        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 13 January 2016 14: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Nagaibak
          Вадим237"Ближайшие двадцать лет этот корабль не утонет."
          I agree! ... Ha ... does not sink !!!)))

          ... And in the swamp?
        4. python2a
          python2a 13 January 2016 15: 30 New
          +2
          drown in another dermis.
      2. Alexanderrr
        Alexanderrr 13 January 2016 14: 43 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadim237
        The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.

        Near Estonia. Therefore, he will plunge slowly ... but inevitably, if he does not stop barking, as ordered from across the ocean!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 January 2016 14: 46 New
          +9
          The process of immersion is already underway - the population is small, there is no growth, the young are leaving.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 13 January 2016 18: 58 New
            +8
            Quote: Vadim237
            The process of immersion is already underway - the population is small, there is no growth, the young are leaving.


            But grandiose plans, already hair on end (click.):
            1. fairmen
              fairmen 15 January 2016 09: 35 New
              0
              And it’s interesting that Ukrainians know about it, they’ll be glad Lithuania will give gas to Ukrainians because they don’t have to buy anything
      3. Altona
        Altona 13 January 2016 14: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        The next twenty years, this ship will not sink.

        --------------------
        What ship are you talking about? There is such a ship, without a rudder and sails. And if he doesn’t drown, then he will simply crumble on the shore ...
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 14 January 2016 17: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          There is such a ship

          I stepped onto the ship, and the boat ... turned out from yesterday’s newspaper ... for December 30 2015 .. means from last year’s newspaper.
      4. novobranets
        novobranets 13 January 2016 14: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        this ship will not sink.

        It does not sink at all. lol
      5. shooter18
        shooter18 13 January 2016 15: 08 New
        15
        But the Lithuanians as pro.stitutes ... Americans either enter, then withdraw and do not ask Lithuania))))
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 13 January 2016 19: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: shooter18
          And the Lithuanians as pro-institutes .. Americans either enter, withdraw or do not ask Lithuania


          А у них Даля Грибаускайте, которая привычна к процессу "вводят-выводят".Каков президент, такова и страна. bully
        2. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 14 January 2016 17: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: shooter18
          the Americans then
          injected, then withdrawn, and from Lithuania is wonderful out. Americans for Lithuania as a laxative in the process of intercourse, you do one thing and think about the other.
        3. AFHENOGEN
          AFHENOGEN 15 January 2016 19: 07 New
          0
          .... yat. A bast friend of the United States then introduces it comes out
      6. ddd1975
        ddd1975 14 January 2016 02: 33 New
        0
        ... just do not sink.
      7. topicrange
        topicrange 15 January 2016 18: 25 New
        0
        God grant that this ship is not just about to sink, but before that it also pulled.
    2. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 13 January 2016 14: 32 New
      27
      Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .
      8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
      From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 13 January 2016 14: 38 New
        30
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
        From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

        From our KVNschikov laughing laughing
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexej
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
          From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

          From our KVNschikov laughing laughing


          and in the Baltics, for ideological reasons, the concert of the ensemble named after A.V. Alexandrov was canceled
          1. Kent0001
            Kent0001 13 January 2016 15: 30 New
            +2
            They have different priorities. Paid. And the ensemble to them. Alexandrova is one of the symbols of Russia. Here are the Balts and scared.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 13 January 2016 19: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Kent0001
              They have different priorities.


              That's for sure. Overseas Sassans are prettier.
              1. rubidiy
                rubidiy 15 January 2016 02: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Lelek
                Quote: Kent0001
                They have different priorities.

                That's for sure. Overseas Sassans are prettier.

                og. Especially happy playing on an unconnected electric guitar while sitting on a helicopter. good
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 15 January 2016 14: 20 New
                  0
                  Actually, this is an acoustic guitar with an additional sound pickup module for connecting like an electric guitar.
          2. volodimer
            volodimer 13 January 2016 18: 01 New
            +6
            Это же русский музыкальный спецназ! Они своей "катюшей" всю латвийскую армию уложат. А если затянут "несокрушимая и легендарная..." там все сразу навозом по уши накроются!
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 13 January 2016 14: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

        Where is he in the picture? Sand quarry ?
        "Песчаный карьер - 2 Абрамса !"
        1. gozmosZh
          gozmosZh 13 January 2016 16: 07 New
          +1
          Something I remembered a movie about a replica about a sand pit:
          Thousands of abandoned street children roam the expanses of South America. In Brazil, they rummage through garbage, beg and steal. Their house is a street, they are embittered and lonely. In order not to disappear alone, they are knocked down in packs and terrorize the "prosperous" bourgeois. One such flock found refuge among the sand dunes, on the ocean. The people call them - "generals of sand pits." These guys are ready to fight for a piece of bread, and you won’t envy anyone who gets in their way - these boys are dangerous and cruel.
      3. Nick
        Nick 13 January 2016 14: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .
        8 Abramsov is generally an invincible brigade. . .
        From whom so many handsome men defended themselves.

        Так у них вообще нет танков на вооружении, может осталась советских пара штук, где нибудь в музее "оккупации" поэтому для латышей 8 абрамов это как целая танковая дивизия.
        1. Grabberxnumx
          Grabberxnumx 13 January 2016 17: 14 New
          +3
          I wrote in May 2015 of the year:

          Grabber2000 RU 19 May 2015 15: 59 | Latvian railways to equip for transportation of tanks
          You will fall into the ditch!
          You will drown in a swamp!
          Come back! Come back!
          Go back home!
          K. Chukovsky, Fedorino mountain.

          In general, soon we are waiting for what the kettle will say to the iron ..
      4. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 January 2016 14: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

        Мне почему то "Тигры" под Мгой вспомнились... winked
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 January 2016 14: 57 New
          11
          In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.
          1. family tree
            family tree 13 January 2016 15: 07 New
            +1
            ABOUT! Andrei, has the T-14 been made? Hello! hi
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 January 2016 15: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: perepilka
              ABOUT! Andrei, has the T-14 been made? Hello!

              hi
              I’m waiting for the quilted jacket to be presented. I do not believe that what will be shown on the parade will go to the series in order to collect money for it.
              a photo stole from http://karopka.ru/
              1. AFHENOGEN
                AFHENOGEN 15 January 2016 18: 12 New
                0
                play less games. further FUFLO posts.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 13 January 2016 15: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            a lot of Abrams tonality should somehow be a thing of the past

            Comparison in the image is unreliable. From carrots in general it was necessary to take a chair designed for the landing, in the extreme case the commander.
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 January 2016 15: 35 New
              +8
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Comparison in the image is unreliable.

              You naturally know better.
              Quote: Hedgehog
              From carrots in general it was necessary to take a chair

              What a man had was he put in, for which he thanks.
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              2. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 15 January 2016 01: 25 New
                0
                hello crucian!
                oh long time ago I didn’t see here somewhere you had time to sow marshall epaulettes! or maybe it’s not you? smile
                I wanted to brag a little, you can say so with a collection photo)) by a miracle then I managed to take a picture with the T-9 armature on May 14 when they were loaded already on the return trip after the parade from the territory of the former airfield) I certainly am familiar with the common phrase that went around the union) that the Soviet microchips are the largest microchips in the world laughing ))) BUT you know there further in the row stood the T-90 (invisibly unfortunately not visible in the photo) and the T-14 at first glance it didn’t stand out very much from its fellow tribesman, although of course it seemed to look something like more massive
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 15 January 2016 07: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: regressSSSR
                  sfotkatka with fittings T-14

                  А рост у тебя какой? Вот где можно более или менее размеры "арматы" определить.
                2. Kars
                  Kars 15 January 2016 13: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: regressSSSR
                  or maybe it's not you?

                  not not me

                  Quote: regressSSSR
                  miraculously, it was then possible, in memory of 9, in May to take a picture with the T-14 armature when they were loaded

                  no smiley envy.
          3. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 13 January 2016 15: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

            Abrash for 60, Armata on the Internet 48, as a matter of fact xs. request
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 January 2016 15: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Abrash for 60, Armata on the Internet 48, as a matter of fact xs.

              Vryatli it is foam, although there are rumors about light armor. To be honest, I’m more interested in how many shells in the ammunition and a carousel, not a carousel.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 13 January 2016 16: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                Vryatli he foam, although there are rumors about lightweight armor.

                This is understandable only if we consider that the tower is unarmored. what
                1. Kars
                  Kars 13 January 2016 16: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  This is understandable only if we consider that the tower is unarmored.

                  The smiley confuses me. The armored tower is a must.
                  1. Extraneous
                    Extraneous 13 January 2016 23: 46 New
                    +2
                    Armata tower - uninhabited. The platform is universal - you can mount anything. Armor is composite. there is steel, and ceramics, and also horseradish knows what. Hence the relatively low weight with large dimensions.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 14 January 2016 00: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Stranger
                      Armata tower - uninhabited.

                      And? Is it easier on this? Or do you think that since there are no people there, you don’t need to book it?
                      Quote: Stranger
                      Ronya - composite. there is steel, and ceramics, and also horseradish knows that

                      The same is true for all tanks of the 3 generation and higher.

                      Quote: Stranger
                      Hence the relatively low weight with large dimensions.

                      Yes, something doesn’t come out.
                      1. shasherin.pavel
                        shasherin.pavel 14 January 2016 17: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        since there are no people there is no need to book it?

                        А чего её бронировать от снарядов, если там только орудие, патроны к активной защите, я сначала думал, что броня на башне это фальшивка скрывающая контуры башни, а посмотрел фильм про "Армату" по каналу "Звезда", где они "раздели" башню, и понял, что это чисто от крупнокалиберных пуль и не более. Думаю, что навесные экраны корпуса - это цистерны с жидкой бронёй, гелем, который при динамическом ударе усиливает свою плотность в месте удара, но гель это только добавка к металлическим шарам внутри цистерн, разбивающим кумулятивную струю.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 14 January 2016 17: 52 New
                        +2
                        Quote: shasherin.pavel
                        Why book it from shells, if there is only a gun

                        And who needs a tank in which any effect will deprive the weapon?
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 15 January 2016 13: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        And who needs a tank in which any effect will deprive the weapon?

                        Вы сильно преувеличиваете насчет "любого" воздействия.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 15 January 2016 13: 45 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Вы сильно преувеличиваете насчет "любого" воздействия.

                        No, if someone else does not greatly exaggerate in the phrase what to book her.
                  2. Shishiga
                    Shishiga 14 January 2016 20: 12 New
                    +5
                    Why arm it from shells, if there is only a gun, cartridges for active protection


                    Well then, after the first breaking of the tower you will have a friendly team of tractor drivers, and a tractor with an idle implement.
                  3. Kars
                    Kars 14 January 2016 22: 18 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Shishiga
                    tractor drivers, and a tractor with an idle implement.

                    for 8 millions of dollars
                  4. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 15 January 2016 07: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    will strip the weapons?

                    Quote: Shishiga
                    first breaking through the tower

                    Quote: Kars
                    with an idle gun.

                    Всем троим сразу: Ну вы и темнота! Небольшой экскурс в историю: К началу битвы под Курском, всех артиллеристов, которые теряли свои орудия (бросали) отправили на другие фронты, с других фронтов привозили расчёты имевшие победы над танками. Один из тренингов для противотанкистов с 45-ками было попадание в ствол танка бронебойным снарядом, для 122 мм гаубиц со скоростью снаряда менее 500 м\с, стрельба залпами по одному танку (выведение из строя экипажа, без пробития брони). Если вы так боитесь за выведенное из строя орудие, то бронируйте его по всей длине от люльки до среза ствола, так как пробитие его в любом месте это отказ от стрельбы 100%. И ещё одно для "особо одарённых" нет башни, нет пробития башни! что пробивать то, если башни нет. Есть бронирование заряжающего механизма, который находится в корпусе танка. Учите историю танкостроения чтобы иметь понятие о уязвимых местах танка: это ствол - по всей длине, это движитель. Повреждение не забронированных частей всё равно приводит к временному выходу танка из строя.
                  5. Kars
                    Kars 15 January 2016 13: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: shasherin.pavel
                    ещё одно для "особо одарённых" нет башни, нет пробития башни! что пробивать то, если башни нет

                    Well, yes there is no arable land))) thanks for the excursion into history.
                  6. yehat
                    yehat 16 January 2016 10: 21 New
                    0
                    Israeli centurions had another weak spot - a plow in the back laughing
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 15 January 2016 13: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            And? Is it easier on this? Or do you think that since there are no people there, you don’t need to book it?

            The T-14 tower is smaller in size, precisely because it is uninhabited. ???
          5. Kars
            Kars 15 January 2016 13: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            The T-14 tower is smaller in size, precisely because it is uninhabited. ???

            Yes, here they consider and it turns out that it is not less, but about the same and not yet voiced ammunition.
          6. Setrac
            Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            and about the same and not yet voiced ammunition

            Ammunition seems to be in the hull ...
  • aleksey980
    aleksey980 14 January 2016 19: 33 New
    +1
    Причём тут "пенопластовый", у Абрамсов вроде как среди слоёв брони имеются урановые прослойки. Объёмный вес урана более чем вдвое больше веса стали любой марки. Вот вам и вес.
    1. Kars
      Kars 14 January 2016 19: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: aleksey980
      Abrams seems to have uranium layers among the layers of armor.

      there are not many of them only frontal projection. M1A1-ON about 58 tons
  • johnny
    johnny 13 January 2016 17: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.

    How much can these comparisons with a top view be laid out already.
    It is better to do side and front.
    P.S. T-64, T-72, T-80, too, at one time were larger than T-62, and T-62 was larger than T-54 (55), and T-55, etc. ..... the same with them. And by weight, the armature still grows and grows to abrams)
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 January 2016 17: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Johnny
      It is better to do side and front.

      Do you think something will change from this?
      Quote: Johnny
      P.S. T-64, T-72, T-80 were also larger than T-62,

      So everything is fine, since Armata is larger than Abrams and the leopard.
      Quote: Johnny
      And by weight, the armature still grows and grows to abrams)

      Did you weigh it?
      1. johnny
        johnny 13 January 2016 17: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Kars

        Do you think something will change from this?


        what to change? your myth that armata is much more than abrams? I think yes. You can check.

        Did you weigh it?


        ha ha ha, and you measured it?
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 January 2016 17: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Johnny
          what to change? your myth that armata is much more than abrams? I think yes. You can check.

          You? Believe? Yes for no reason. You don’t upload photos proving that Armata is smaller.
          Quote: Johnny
          ha ha ha, and you measured it?

          Measuring is much easier. Everything is visible. Unlike material density.
          1. johnny
            johnny 13 January 2016 17: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Kars

            You? Believe?

            not believe, but check!)
            ps
            Your stronghold, too, due to the serving DZ on the sides, looks like a turtle in comparison with its associates. the front armature is the same. Therefore, longer. And the case itself is smaller than it looks visually.

            Measuring is much easier. Everything is visible. Unlike material density.

            and here you don’t need to know the density. You can only compare the towers visually. Everything is in sight. Or do you want to say that armor in armata is much harder?
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 January 2016 18: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Johnny
              your stronghold also looks like a turtle compared to its comrades at the expense of serving DZ on the sides

              You are not discussing the exterior, and the farther the DZ and the screen from the side, the better. With the standard armored hull width for a post-Soviet tank, you won’t say that about Armata because of the rearrangement of the crew compartment with shoulder to shoulder and three hatches.
              Quote: Johnny
              Therefore, longer. And the case itself is smaller than it looks visually.

              And it looks longer and no less.
              Quote: Johnny
              and here you don’t need to know the density
              What would the weight be determined without density?


              Quote: Johnny
              You can only compare the towers visually
              Even though the tower is smaller, but in fact there are few voids, it’s not known what kind of automatic loader, but it certainly has a density less than that of a .. Negro rocking.
              Quote: Johnny
              Or do you want to say that armor in armata is much harder?

              That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.
              1. johnny
                johnny 13 January 2016 18: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                And the farther DZ and the screen from the side the better.

                ну так у арматы ДЗ и выступает вперед дальше чем у других. На Т-15 вообще "клюв" ДЗ спереди большой. Вот она реально огромная по сравнению с остальными БМП.

                and three hatches.

                two hatches

                What would the weight be determined without density?

                you also need to know the area and thickness of the material ... do you know?

                but in other matters you have already answered
                That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.
              2. Kars
                Kars 13 January 2016 18: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Johnny
                Well, in the case of DZ, it comes forward further than in others

                Dz does not appear there. There you can clearly see something of the case.
                Quote: Johnny
                you also need to know the area and thickness of the material ... do you know?

                Why do I need this to determine the dimensions and external dimensions?

                It would be better of course with the 2 Challenger but what is.
              3. johnny
                johnny 13 January 2016 18: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars

                Dz does not appear there. There you can clearly see something of the case.

                In these photos you can clearly see how the front protrudes from the front and the rear feed boxes.
                http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/242/lanp260.jpg
                http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/657/duhb97.jpg

                Why do I need this to determine the dimensions and external dimensions?

                it is necessary to determine the mass.

                It would be better of course with the 2 Challenger but what is.

                and again on top)
                as if tanks are designed to deal with baboons in trees with RPG-7
              4. Kars
                Kars 13 January 2016 19: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Johnny
                In these photos you can clearly see how the front protrudes from the front and the rear feed boxes.

                It's pretty much the same as on any modern tank. The DZ on the armature lies on the body, and not on any screens, and the forward dimension does not increase by more than 200 mm
                Quote: Johnny
                it is necessary to determine the mass.

                So you need it, you wrote that Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that Armata is larger in volume.
                Quote: Johnny
                and again on top)

                Well, they still didn’t give me a model, but I would have made a leopard, a challenger and an eclair I have)))
                Quote: Johnny
                as if tanks are designed to deal with baboons in trees with RPG-7

                tanks must perform any tasks.
              5. johnny
                johnny 13 January 2016 19: 46 New
                +2
                So you need it, you wrote that Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that Armata is larger in volume.


                I don’t need) the information that is about 48t is enough for me. But you had some hints
                In my opinion, a lot of tonality of Abrams should somehow become a thing of the past.




                tanks must perform any tasks.

                who told you that?
              6. Kars
                Kars 13 January 2016 20: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Johnny
                I don’t need) the information that is about 48 is enough for me.

                Well, your right)) only that you somehow behave strangely - you believe there, you do not believe there)) but oh well.
                Quote: Johnny
                who told you that?

                history of their use. Tank is a weapon of the battlefield.
              7. johnny
                johnny 13 January 2016 20: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars

                Well, your right)) only that you somehow behave strangely - you believe there, you do not believe there)) but oh well.

                eg?)



                history of their use. Tank is a weapon of the battlefield.

                ключевое слово "поле", а не город и не пальмовый лес с бабуинами на ветвях))
                in the 96th they also set the task of taking the formidable straight away, what came of this is known ...
                any best weapon when misused is a piece of iron, you as a historian should know this)
              8. Kars
                Kars 13 January 2016 20: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Johnny
                eg?)

                reread the last topic
                Quote: Johnny
                ключевое слово "поле", а не город и не пальмовый лес с бабуинами на ветвях))

                the key word is fighting. And there are no exceptions for palm trees or baboons.
                Quote: Johnny
                in 96 they also set the task of taking the formidable straight away, what came out of this is known.

                where does the menacing?
                Quote: Johnny
                any best weapon when misused is a piece of iron, you as a historian should know this)

                and what against baboons with RPGs there is no skillful use of tanks?
              9. johnny
                johnny 13 January 2016 21: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Kars

                reread the last topic

                re-read and found nothing, in which he contradicted himself.
                maybe you thought?

                the key word is fighting. And there are no exceptions for palm trees or baboons.


                where does the menacing?


                and what against baboons with RPGs there is no skillful use of tanks?


                apparently you don’t know the story, and relatively recent.
                I advise you to read more about the combat use of tanks in Grozny, at least.
              10. Kars
                Kars 13 January 2016 21: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: Johnny
                re-read and found nothing, in which he contradicted himself.
                maybe you thought?

                I do not.
                Quote: Johnny
                apparently you don’t know the story, and relatively recent.

                I know her perfectly. And even in the New Year’s assault on Grozny, there’s no fault of tanks, the assaults by smaller forces do not often succeed. And you’re already thinking of invincible RPG bobbins.
              11. johnny
                johnny 14 January 2016 16: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Kars

                I do not.

                everything is clear to you)

                I know her perfectly. And even in the New Year’s assault on Grozny, there’s no fault of tanks, the assaults by smaller forces are not often successful.

                You want to say that the Chechens had more tanks? Or maybe they had artillery with aviation?
                And what is the fault of the tanks? You said that there can be no impossible tasks for tanks.


                And are you already inventing something about invincible RPG bobuins
                .
                and also say that you know about the New Year's storming of Grozny.
                ps about baboons if you did not understand this was a metaphor)
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 15 January 2016 07: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    tanks must perform any tasks.

    Swim like submarines, fly like fighters, take part in airborne assault forces? Terminator for what was done? In order to fight against infantry and anti-tank maneuvers, because the tank doesn’t succeed, shoot at 26-kilogram grenade launchers, shells.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 13: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: shasherin.pavel
    Swim like a submarine, fly like a fighter, take part in airborne landings

    Tanks can walk along the bottom, and the rest is exaggeration.
    Quote: shasherin.pavel
    Terminator for what was done?

    Its Armed Forces adopted for the 12 years?
    Quote: shasherin.pavel
    because the tank doesn’t succeed, shoot at 26-kg rocket-propelled grenades, with shells.

    There are machine guns. Yes, and the shells have long had to be upgraded.
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 16: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars

    Yes, and shells have long been necessary to carry out the upgrade.


    Ainet, as it were with t-90A is coming.
    although the sofa expert is probably not aware of this)
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 17: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    Ainet, as it were with t-90A is coming.

    Ainet of course it's cool)) only how many of them are in the troops? Yes, and better than him there are shells and much better for Israel and the Swedes.
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 19: 15 New
    +1
    as much as the T-90 in the troops.
    Well, Israel is certainly better)) who would argue))
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 19: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    as much as the T-90 in the troops.

    joker)) not every T-90 even has an Internet device.
    Quote: Johnny
    Well, Israel is certainly better)) who would argue))

    Well, at least people from here are more generous))
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 19: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Kars

    joker)) not every T-90 even has an Internet device.


    And what do you think should be there for an Internet device?))
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 20: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    And what do you think should be there for an Internet device?))

    Distance Installer? No?
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 21: 02 New
    +1
    если точнее то "автоматический установщик интервала, который настраивает снаряд на подрыв по достижении заданной дальности" ну и ЛД конечно.
    By the way, I forgot about B3, most likely they also installed this system on them. After all, it’s stupid not to put it, if the AZs were modernized under a new elongated BPS.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 21: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    By the way, I forgot about B3, they most likely also installed this system on them

    Well, yes, there wasn’t enough money for a couple of extra DZ blocks, but they put on ainet equipment for which there is no mass production of shells.
    Quote: Johnny
    if AZ was modernized under a new elongated BPS.

    Then the tankers put a liter of skate to the warrior who takes a new gun from Bz, breech, but there are still no winners))
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 21: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars

    Well, yes, there wasn’t enough money for a couple of extra DZ blocks, but they put on ainet equipment for which there is no mass production of shells.

    do not carry nonsense.
    This system is compatible with all the available 125-mm OFS, provided that the standard 3V-21 fuse is replaced with an electronic 3VM-12 fuse.


    Then the tankers put a liter of skate to the warrior who takes a new gun from Bz, breech, but there are still no winners))

    this does not mean that there is no gopher)
    the box would be put, maybe someone would be found)
    and where does the breech?
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 21: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    to electronic 3BM-12.

    that is, these fuses were littered like shoe polish.
    Quote: Johnny
    this does not mean that there is no gopher)

    Who knows.
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 21: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Kars

    that is, these fuses were littered like shoe polish.

    I don’t have a shoe box))
    а если серьезно, думаю достаточно. Это не "калибрами" игил утюжить.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 22: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    but seriously, I think enough.

    There are a lot of tankers on the site. Ask if they saw them at least. Or their comrades who serve.
  • johnny
    johnny 16 January 2016 09: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: Kars

    There are many tankers on the site.

    Yeah one of them you wassat


    Ask if they saw them at least. Or their comrades who serve.


    ay, tankers did you see them?)))

    even if not, then again this means nothing laughing
  • Kars
    Kars 16 January 2016 12: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    Yeah one of them you

    I never combed myself to them. And a lot of people will confirm this.
    Quote: Johnny
    ay, tankers did you see them?)))

    Well, you are so negligent - write to the PM.
    Quote: Johnny
    even if not, then again this means nothing

    Naturally, it’s certainly not a tanker for you
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 14: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Armata is lighter than Abrams, it is clearly visible that the volume of Armata is larger.

    It is necessary to speak about the reserved volume, at Armata the tower is unarmored, and what part of the Abrams is occupied by the tower in volume?
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 14: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    It’s necessary to talk about the reserved volume,

    What for?
    Quote: Setrac
    at Almaty the tower is unarmored

    this is nonsense
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    What for?

    There are two possible answers:
    1 For bread ...
    2 Why are you kidding me?
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 15: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    There are two possible answers:

    there is still a third you write why discuss the reserved volume in this particular case.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    there is still a third you write why discuss the reserved volume in this particular case.

    Because you consider the entire volume of the tank, and the armor, which makes up the bulk of the tank’s mass, protects only the reserved volume, and how many soap bubbles around the tank are there for everyone, it’s strange that you have to explain all this to you.
    I draw your attention that the tower of Abrams weighs 20 tons.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 15: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Because you consider the entire tank volume

    I don’t count anything
    Quote: Setrac
    protects only reserved volume

    You get taftalogy
    Quote: Setrac
    , and how many soap bubbles are there around the tank - everybody cares,

    There are a lot of mule bubbles on Abrams, challengers and leklerkas, but this does not cancel out that if the lekler’s tower weighs say 15 tons, and the tower is 16 tons of armata (the numbers are exaggerated) then they weigh so much without taking into account any reserved volumes there. And what’s in the tower Armats may have fewer cavities due to the lack of crew, and that this gives some relief. Since it is clearly visible that the external dimensions from the lack of crew have not decreased.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 15: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    I don’t count anything

    Why are these ridiculous excuses?
    Quote: Kars
    You get taftalogy

    It’s not my fault that I have to explain on my fingers tongue
    Quote: Kars
    And the fact that in the tower of Almaty there are possibly fewer cavities due to the lack of a crew, this gives some kind of relief.

    Less reserved volume - proportionally less armor = less tank weight at the same level of protection.
    Quote: Kars
    Since it is clearly visible that the external dimensions of the lack of crew have not decreased.

    Armata - 50 tons.
    Abrams - 70 tons.
    Abrams Tower - 20 tons.
    70-20 50 =
    So clearly?

    P.S. The Tower of Almaty DOES NOT WEIGHT 16 tons.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 16: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    It’s not my fault that they’ll explain on fingers

    You flatter yourself
    Quote: Setrac
    Less reserved volume - proportionally less armor = less tank weight at the same level of protection.

    Why did you get that Armata has a smaller armored volume?
    Quote: Setrac
    Armata - 50 tons.
    Abrams - 70 tons.
    Abrams Tower - 20 tons.
    70-20 50 =
    So clearly?

    nonsense
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 January 2016 16: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Why did you get that Armata has a smaller armored volume?

    Якобы "огромная" башня Арматы не попадает под категорию "забронированный объем".
    Quote: Kars
    nonsense

    I’ll clarify: this nonsense is true.
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 17: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Якобы "огромная" башня Арматы не попадает под категорию "забронированный объем".

    Who told you that?
    Quote: Setrac
    I’ll clarify: this nonsense is true.

    Of course the truth is that you write nonsense.
    Quote: Johnny
    but the weight ended less than the tower of abrams.

    On the basis of what is such a conclusion made?
  • Setrac
    Setrac 16 January 2016 15: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Who told you that?

    Здравый смысл мне сказал. Противопульная защита башни не оказывает существенного влияния на вес танка и объем башни за противопульной защитой нельзя назвать "забронированным".
    Quote: Kars
    On the basis of what is such a conclusion made?

    Based on knowledge of physics and mathematics. According to Malinin-Burenin, 26 (twenty six) is more than 6 (six).
  • Kars
    Kars 16 January 2016 16: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Bulletproof tower defense does not significantly affect the weight

    Well, if in Armata the bulletproof armor of the tower, then this is definitely the best tank in the world.))))))
    Quote: Setrac
    Based on knowledge of physics and mathematics.

    you flatter yourself again
  • Setrac
    Setrac 16 January 2016 17: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Well, if in Armata the bulletproof armor of the tower, then this is definitely the best tank in the world.))))))

    Вы "произведение Достоевского" или вы так меня троллите? Третий раз объяснять не буду ибо сам уже всё понял. tongue
    Quote: Kars
    you flatter yourself again

    You don’t have to be Einstein to compare double-digit numbers, but if it’s difficult for you, then further dialogue is pointless, you will go to school in first grade.

    П.С. А чем защищен обвес башни "лучшего в мире танка Оплот"? Нет даже защиты от пуль и осколков? Вот ди6илы украинские конструкторы!
  • Kars
    Kars 17 January 2016 17: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Вы "произведение Достоевского" или вы так меня троллите? Третий раз объяснять не буду ибо сам уже всё понял

    No, it's just bulletproof booking on an 4 or 5 generation tank, this is an epic))))
  • Setrac
    Setrac 17 January 2016 21: 05 New
    0
    Epic is your lack of profitability. The breech of the gun is protected by bulletproof armor, the bulletproof body kit of the tower is protected, which creates volume, there is no epic here, I’d pay attention that bulletproof armor is protected by what was previously not protected at all.
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 16: 25 New
    0
    armored tower.
    but the weight ended less than the tower of abrams.
  • Kars
    Kars 13 January 2016 18: 01 New
    +1
    Even the bucket of pan-ram sight on the Bastion, which was memorable in discussions, seems to have pumped over Armata.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 19: 16 New
      +1
      Но согласитесь что это "ведро" ни такое здоровое как на Оплоте - производство которого на Украине может прекратиться.
    2. Kars
      Kars 13 January 2016 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      Но согласитесь что это "ведро" ни такое здоровое как на Оплоте

      No, I do not agree, it seems smaller due to the fact that it is relatively closer to the stern of the tower, and so they seem to be the same, plus / minus 20 mm
  • Forest
    Forest 13 January 2016 19: 26 New
    +1
    So the 2 Challenger in the maximum configuration is several tons heavier than Abrams, even with TUSK. Leo will be heavier. But with the T-14, the somehow declared mass in 48-50 tons was sad to think that the sides would be of pressed plywood. And taking into account the fact that a sufficiently large party went to military tests, it will not be radically redone.
    If you look at the tanks in profile and full face - Leo and Abrams will be much more massive due to the tower.
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 January 2016 20: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Forest
      If you look at the tanks in profile and full face - Leo and Abrams will be much more massive due to the tower.

      Unless in profile, and then not much, due to the developed fodder niche.
      1. johnny
        johnny 13 January 2016 21: 02 New
        +2
        due to the developed fodder niche.

        not just a niche, but also the front of the tower. they have a tower almost the entire length and breadth of a tank.
        I don’t know how much the comparison is correct, but in general it seems to be true
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 January 2016 21: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Johnny
          I don’t know how much the comparison is correct, but in general it seems to be true

          Even on a fache, the photo of Armat is larger than Abrams, and even the tower of Abrams is no larger than the new uninhabited tower.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 15 January 2016 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            Abrams Tower is no more a new non-inhabited tower

            The tower of Almaty has bulletproof armor, the tower of Abrams is a full-fledged ballistic projectile.
            1. Kars
              Kars 15 January 2016 14: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              Armata tower has bulletproof armor

              Where did you read that?
              1. yehat
                yehat 16 January 2016 10: 29 New
                0
                you want to say it doesn’t? laughing
              2. Kars
                Kars 16 January 2016 12: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: yehat
                want to say does not have

                It has a protivosnaryadnaya, by the way, it also protects against bullets)) so in a sense
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 16 January 2016 15: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                It has a protivosnaryadnaya, by the way, it also protects against bullets)) so in a sense

                Not in that sense.
                Bulletproof armor covers ONLY the cannon, closes a small volume and has less weight (relative to other tanks), bulletproof armor covers the rest of the turret.
  • Forest
    Forest 13 January 2016 23: 05 New
    +1
    If you look, then most of the T-14 tower is even lighter canopies in the form of DZ, sights, DPU, a place for spare shells. In front projection, this is generally much more. Tomorrow in the Arcade, I will compare the dimensions in 2 projections.
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 January 2016 23: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Forest
      even lighter canopies in the form of DZ

      I don’t see the canopies in the form of DZ, I see only the screens on the tower, and what is under it is not clear. At the same time, the DZ itself is also not small, the proportion of cc there is not so big, the rest is steel.
      Quote: Forest
      Tomorrow in the Arcade, I will compare the dimensions in 2 projections.

      It will be very interesting.
      1. Forest
        Forest 13 January 2016 23: 53 New
        +1
        I consider the true T-14 tower as on one concept.
        DZ itself is a fairly voluminous structure, and the screens from above even more so. Here is the promised comparison. To fully view it is better to open in a separate tab and save somewhere.
        PS That's what it will be interesting to compare with, it is with the new Polish concept PL-1 and the proposed replacement of Leo 2.
        1. Kars
          Kars 14 January 2016 00: 51 New
          +2
          It’s a pity it’s hard to see. And yet, the frontal projection seems to be more for Armata. And can’t you calculate the area there?

          And as for the true tower, the shells will fly into the circuit,
          1. Forest
            Forest 14 January 2016 01: 51 New
            0
            The picture is viewed in full size if opened in a new tab. The area can be calculated - frontal projection, taking into account everything - 8,77 m2, of which the tower 2,83 m2; side projection taking into account the cannon and everything - 17,93 m2, of which the tower 4,19 m2. For Abrams, the area of ​​the frontal projection is 7,86 m2, of which the towers are 2,85 m2; side projection 14,09 m2, of which the tower 4,98 m2.
          2. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 12: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Johnny
            neither t

            It seems I was right)) and you are all from the top to the top))))
            Quote: Forest
            The area can be calculated - frontal projection, taking into account everything - 8,77 m2, of which the tower 2,83 m2; side projection taking into account the cannon and everything - 17,93 m2, of which the tower 4,19 m2. For Abrams, the area of ​​the frontal projection is 7,86 m2, of which the towers are 2,85 m2; side projection 14,09 m2, of which the tower 4,98 m2.

            thank you
          3. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 15: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: Kars

            It seems I was right)) and you are all from the top to the top))))

            Yes, you are a seer straight. lol
            Only now I did not see a big difference with the abrams. Moreover, the pictures are not understandable with some kind of size. And even if a little more so what of it? I already wrote to you that each next generation of tanks is larger than the previous one. From this they did not become worse.
            And here you are fixated on the sizes specifically. By your logic, the best tank then is the MC-1 laughing
          4. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 18: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Kars

            thank you

            I want to upset you. The picture by which Lesnoy compared was generally not correct. the distance between the rollers is too large. height also from the ceiling.
            Compared to rollers 700mm.
          5. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 18: 40 New
            0
            same thing in front. If you look at the width of the caterpillar
          6. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 18: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Johnny
            same thing in front. If you look at the width of the caterpillar

            Quote: Johnny
            I want to upset you. The picture by which Lesnoy compared is generally not correct

            And what do I mean? All questions to the forest. Your picture is generally clearly not on a scale.
          7. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 18: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Kars

            And what do I mean? All questions to the forest. Your picture is generally clearly not on a scale.

            More or less to scale. Yes, in your photo above, there is no such difference as that of the forest one.
            on skating rinks it is necessary to compare, then more or less scale can be adjusted.
          8. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 18: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Johnny
            More or less to scale.

            even with the naked eye it can be seen that even no more.
            Quote: Johnny
            Yes, in your photo above, there is no such difference as that of the forest one.

            he has no top view to compare. but you can discuss it with him.

            His numbers are very similar to reality, as it can be seen that Armata is larger.
          9. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 18: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Kars

            His numbers are very similar to reality, as it can be seen that Armata is larger.


            his figures are nonsense
          10. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 19: 39 New
            +1
            And your picture is obvious falsification)))
          11. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 19: 49 New
            -1
            go to the bathhouse ... hi
          12. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 19: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Johnny
            go to the bathhouse ...

            Well, what are you so worried. It is clear that more)))
          13. johnny
            johnny 14 January 2016 20: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            Quote: Johnny
            go to the bathhouse ...

            Well, what are you so worried. It is clear that more)))

            I worry that the armata is as much more than the abrams)))
          14. Kars
            Kars 14 January 2016 22: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Johnny
            I worry that the armata is as much more than the abrams)))

            Well, at least you already recognize that Armata is not less than Abrams)) already progress
      2. Kars
        Kars 14 January 2016 19: 53 New
        +2
        ____________________
      3. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 13: 30 New
        0
        Андрюша, вы нам луччи поведайте о "выдающихся достижениях" малышевцев в неуемной модерниза...демонизации восемьдесят четверки, а?
      4. Kars
        Kars 15 January 2016 13: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: SCHNIFER
        Андрюша, вы нам луччи поведайте о "выдающихся достижениях" малышевцев в неуемной модерниза...демонизации восемьдесят четверки, а?

        What do you tell me?
      5. Kars
        Kars 15 January 2016 14: 11 New
        +1
        Although I am kind. Moreover, there is a bit of news
      6. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 17: 18 New
        +1
        Андруш, а мы дождемся таки, када батальон "Обломов" пройдет как нож сквозь масло до самого Урала? Ну с его то дополнительной силовой установкой, тепловизионными каналами и суперброней? Тайцы то вот лошары, отказались от такого счастья! Хотя они сами бают, что срыв поставки был лишь желанным поводом отмахаться от такого "счастья", врут поди, мерзавцы?
      7. Kars
        Kars 15 January 2016 17: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: SCHNIFER
        Thais here are loshars, abandoned such happiness!

        ))) in the photo tanks are just for Thais)) And show the official refusal, then come.
      8. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 17: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Kars
        in the photo tanks are just for Thais

        Ай-яй-яй, Андрюша, старшим врать нехорошо. Вот в своем жу-жу вы высказываетесь иначе: "... Jan. 15th, 2016 at 12:47 AM пишут, что "Сейчас работа по нему идет в штатном режиме" )))
        Реально по фото на ходу 12-ый танк, в сборке еще 4 (на фото)..."

        Thailand announced its decision isho at the end of 2015
      9. Kars
        Kars 15 January 2016 18: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: SCHNIFER
        Thailand announced its decision isho at the end of 2015

        Don’t toss a link?
        Quote: SCHNIFER
        Jan. 15th, 2016 at 12: 47

        and what are the problems? 16 year))) the next batch by the end of February.
      10. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 18: 09 New
        0
        On this let me take my leave, all the best to you hi
      11. Kars
        Kars 15 January 2016 18: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: SCHNIFER
        On this let me take my leave, all the best to you

        And so what? There is no reference to the fact that Thailand officially terminated the contract? Well, it happens))) maybe the next time it’s lucky.
  • johnny
    johnny 15 January 2016 21: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Kars

    ))) in the photo tanks are just for Thais)) And show

    Shaw, again? scrapped off three old 80s from the old paint and you push in the poor Thais lol
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 21: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    Shaw, again? scraped from the old paint three 80ki

    Well, this is a Thais problem, they accept. And you cannot prove it)))
  • johnny
    johnny 16 January 2016 09: 54 New
    -1
    Why are they collecting a helmet in helmets? Afraid that she will fall on top of them? Or DZ fall offlol
  • Kars
    Kars 16 January 2016 12: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    Why are they collecting a helmet in helmets?

    Are you a manager by profession?
  • johnny
    johnny 16 January 2016 13: 01 New
    -1
    Quote: Kars

    Are you a manager by profession?

    Did not guess...
  • Kars
    Kars 16 January 2016 16: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Johnny
    Did not guess...

    but obviously not a factory worker to ask such nonsense
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 14: 23 New
    0
    And you, sir, are strikingly mercantile ...
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 14: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: SCHNIFER
    And you, sir, are strikingly mercantile ...

    I won’t deny it. Moreover, I have mitigating factors. I lost a good job from .. returning .. Crimea.
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 15: 16 New
    0
    I think otherwise. Is it not that the first model you built was M1A2, not object 434, not?
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 15: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: SCHNIFER
    I think otherwise.

    about what
    Quote: SCHNIFER
    Is it not that the first model you built was M1A2,

    most certainly not A2 but A1-on and T-64 models either did not exist at all or there was a Scythian
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 17: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    and the T-64 model either did not exist at all or there was a Scythian

    But it was necessary to take and try a model designer to try it yourself, so to speak, and the Bialowieza agreements did not agree, and the business in Crimea flourished ...
  • Kars
    Kars 15 January 2016 17: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: SCHNIFER
    But it was necessary to take and try a modeller-designer myself

    Not mine))
    Quote: SCHNIFER
    Lyady - and the Bialowieza agreements did not agree

    You have some wild analogies. For reference, my first tank was in 1998 or 97, the second was a leclerc, then M109, and after the T-55
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 17: 47 New
    0
    Sorry, my young friend ...
  • johnny
    johnny 14 January 2016 19: 10 New
    +1
    and here the sizes are completely different)
    sofa experts wassat
  • Forest
    Forest 15 January 2016 01: 17 New
    0
    Don’t worry, I’ll review the dimensions from the ratio with the T-90 with a photo where the tanks are visible from above. stop
  • yehat
    yehat 16 January 2016 10: 37 New
    +1
    that you powder the people’s brains, it all fits together!
    the sizes on the right are one, and on the left are completely different!
    no one said that Armata is symmetrical)))
  • Forest
    Forest 13 January 2016 23: 55 New
    +2
    Here is that concept
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 12: 52 New
      0
      not so far from the concept, if without screens
    3. johnny
      johnny 15 January 2016 16: 40 New
      -1
      только у "концепта" почему то 6 катков wassat
      1. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 15 January 2016 16: 56 New
        0
        Tse so, but the VAZ X-ray ka be differs from the concept, but unfortunately, not in the best direction ...
  • Forest
    Forest 13 January 2016 23: 56 New
    +1
    Figure, which took the dimensions of the 14.
    1. johnny
      johnny 14 January 2016 18: 42 New
      0
      drawing sheer nonsense at the distance between the rollers just look
  • Dam
    Dam 13 January 2016 22: 22 New
    0
    Or ceramic
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 15 January 2016 08: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Forest
    in 48-50 tons of sad thoughts

    76-мм снаряд весом в 6 кг при попадании в броню под 90 градусов (без рикошета) выделяет энергию равную дневной работе Днепрогэса. А 26 кг., ??? Командир СУ-122 со 122 мм гаубицей в своих мемуарах вспоминает, как они по "тигру" стреляли залпом из 4 орудий, после первого же залпа экипаж вылез из танка и танкисты кровью блевали. Ни одного пробития лобовой проекции, а четыре "Тигра" взяты как трофеи. При современных боеприпасах любой попадание это или пробитие или контузия экипажа. Теперь на первое место выходит не противостояние снаряду, а выстрелить первым и сбить прицел стреляющему. Активная защита - выводящая электронные прицелы из строя и уничтожение ПТУРсов при подлёте к танку.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 January 2016 14: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: shasherin.pavel
      A 76-mm shell weighing 6 kg when hit in armor at 90 degrees (without rebounding) releases energy equal to the daily work of the Dnieper.

      Where do you get such crap from?
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 January 2016 10: 40 New
        0
        and again it all fits together! you just don’t know what Dneproges does at work
  • yehat
    yehat 16 January 2016 10: 16 New
    0
    and you have not mixed up the length with the mass?
    by the way, can you bring 3 masses of abrams - completely naked, with a set of mounted frontal armor and with a kit for the city
    it seems the latter is approaching 80 tons
  • Yura
    Yura 13 January 2016 14: 55 New
    +9
    The Pentagon decided that the American Abrams tanks are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the vastness” of Latvia.
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    Probably stupidly stuck multi-ton colossus. . .

    In addition, at any turn or even a simple turn, Abrams crawls out of the dimensions of Latvia, and after all, Russian border guards can pull tankers out of towers and kick them.
  • Armax
    Armax 13 January 2016 15: 40 New
    +3
    The Latvian Nazis were first encouraged: “Let’s save Latvia from Russian aggression!”, And now they’re like: toys that are expensive for you, have played and that's enough.
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 14 January 2016 17: 23 New
    +1
    Так ведь там полчаса вперёд от одной границы до другой, и два часа задним ходом, если "Абрасс" там попытается развернуться, то пушка может попасть на территорию соседей. А уж восемь...
  • Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 13 January 2016 14: 32 New
    +1
    Baltic crush in shock cry in horror and country in front of the tank armada from the east ...
    The military base in Adazi is leaving 8 "Abrams" and 9 armored personnel carriers "Bradley". Instead, Stryker armored vehicles, as well as several Humwee SUVs, will arrive in Latvia tomorrow. As reported in the US command, these machines "will be more efficient in Latvian conditions and require less operating and maintenance costs."
    ... yeah, what a power laughing
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 13 January 2016 14: 35 New
      11
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      Baltic crush in shock cry in horror

      Come on! They, on the contrary, and in ecstasy - the Americans introduced them, brought them out. Soon they will be introduced again, but smaller.
      Moreover, why should they be afraid? After all, the Latvian Armed Forces have their own tanks - three T-55s. One of them, they say, is even on the go.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 13 January 2016 14: 33 New
    +2
    Well, yes, cultivating arable land with Labas tanks is expensive even for the Yankees. fool
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 13 January 2016 14: 40 New
    +3
    Just sprats are over .. Try to feed the tank company ..
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 13 January 2016 14: 48 New
    +4
    The Pentagon decided that the American Abrams tanks are not the military equipment that can show its effectiveness “in the vastness” of Latvia. The main US military department came to the conclusion that it is more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles.

    The giraffe finally realized that he was stuck in a swamp! lol
  • lelikas
    lelikas 13 January 2016 15: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: RuslanNN
    Did the rats run from the sinking ship?

    Нет - просто слишком дорого - все средства , пошли на новое , не ломающее шею пилота кресло , для "пингвина". А латышам и хамви сойдет , вон как поросенко радовался их прилету - лично встречать ходил .
  • Vend
    Vend 13 January 2016 15: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: RuslanNN
    Did the rats run from the sinking ship?

    Да нет. Просто думали взять Россию на испуг. Мы де сейчас Абрамсы в Латвию привезем, Россия испугается и скажет США мировой гегемон. А вот не тут то было. К США только у ЕС да Австралии отношения, как в басне Крылова "Да Моська, знать они сильна, коль лает на слона" laughing
  • shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 14 January 2016 17: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: RuslanNN
    The rats ran

    They bring out lice, plant fleas so that Latvians don’t forget to itch.
  • V
    V 15 January 2016 09: 17 New
    0
    Why Latvia needs American tanks? They won what armored cars are ...)
  • Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 15 January 2016 19: 45 New
    0
    But what are 8 tanks capable of doing? For the sake of what did they hold, or did they think that 8 antediluvian Abrams would save Latvia, which did not even have an automatic loader and, accordingly, the rate of fire depends on the crew’s fatigue? Here Latvians remind Indians who believed that Europeans are sons of gods, and they are indestructible, also Latvians believe that Americans are indestructible. They live in error, but they cannot live without foreign troops - after all, so many f * ck were poured onto the Russian Federation, now the toy terrier is scared.
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 January 2016 10: 47 New
      0
      it’s not worth it to idiocy to bring talk about rate of fire and loader
      where did you see that the tank is standing and continuously dispensing shells from the hose?
      The vast majority of skirmishes will be limited to less than 10 shots.
      besides, overheating of the main gun will also not allow to shoot for a long time, even though load the shells with ribbons.
      Or do you mean an apocalyptic and no less delusional situation, when a super-masked Abrams faces a long field, thousands of T-54 tanks barely crawl through it, and he shoots as it reloads? So it won’t be like that at all.
      In Europe, the terrain is such that tanks often collide at close range.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 14: 32 New
    +4
    just as it turned out, not all bridges withstand them
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 14: 34 New
      0
      Bridges are all reinforced concrete, with a large margin of safety and the fact that they will not stand it is not worth hoping.
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 14: 38 New
        +1
        I read somewhere when they were thrown only that in Latvia only a couple of bridges can withstand.
        1. lysyj bob
          lysyj bob 13 January 2016 15: 42 New
          +6
          During the fighting, the bridges may not appear at all, but in those parts every half a kilometer there is a water barrier. They do not have PMP under Abrams. From autumn to spring - dampness, dirt and mud. It remains only to bury in the ground and use as a fixed firing point, and this is a little expensive.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 13 January 2016 22: 15 New
      +2
      And I liked the name -CAVALERY !!!
      It’s good that they are not musketeers. Well, how did the proud Baltic states react to this? Or do we have to wait a bit for the news to reach them and the brain to digest what happened?
      1. Kars
        Kars 13 January 2016 23: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Barkhan
        And I liked the name -CAVALERY !!!

        I don’t understand what’s funny. The continuity of names since the First World War, rearmament was underway, but there are names.
  • igorkuzik
    igorkuzik 13 January 2016 14: 33 New
    0
    Who will come to us with a sword ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 13 January 2016 14: 50 New
      +4
      .... that one screams and dies ...
      1. Dam
        Dam 13 January 2016 14: 58 New
        +6
        He will get screaming
        1. family tree
          family tree 13 January 2016 15: 13 New
          +1
          Wake up hip, sweep leg wassat
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 January 2016 14: 34 New
    +4
    Even before they were transferred there, the hedgehog understood that this was an empty undertaking. Americans, as always, make funny maneuvers. There must be a lot of money ..
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    2. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 13 January 2016 15: 02 New
      +1
      Now poor Latvia was left without protection. Maybe the volume of your bark in our direction will decrease. May remember the Russian language.
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 January 2016 10: 50 New
        0
        and the Russian Federation probably does not buy sprats, because they were left without NATO protection
        and hopes to overcome them by force))))
  • jovanni
    jovanni 13 January 2016 14: 35 New
    +2
    "Пентагон решил, что американские танки Abrams не являются той военной техникой, которая может показать свою эффективность «на просторах» Латвии..."

    Yeah! First, all the sprats were crushed, and then it came to ...
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 14: 35 New
    0
    What open spaces of Latvia are you talking about? smile
    1. Yura
      Yura 13 January 2016 15: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      What open spaces of Latvia are you talking about?

      How is this about, as many as eight tanks are placed there. fellow laughing
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 13 January 2016 18: 09 New
        +4
        If stacked up!
  • Lanista
    Lanista 13 January 2016 14: 38 New
    +4
    But no one thought that maybe the amers needed Abrams in another direction?
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 January 2016 18: 44 New
      0
      In the direction where the SGA is sent and directed by all, the Abrams are not their helpers! laughing
  • Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 13 January 2016 14: 38 New
    +4
    At one time, the deployment of armored vehicles was a political action.
    The action was a success, elections to the European Parliament were held, oligophrenics remained in power in Latvia. Further
    require less operation and maintenance costs
    Nothing personal just business...
  • Sausuolis
    Sausuolis 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
    -1
    And in neighboring Lithuania they began to keep them for chronization, new warehouses are equipped.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
    +2
    Бедные прибалты! Оголили их со всех сторон, с зади их пользует "свободная гейропа", а с переди америкосы выставили на поругание "агрессивному медведю". Остаётся одно в море к шпротам...
  • Woodman
    Woodman 13 January 2016 14: 41 New
    +2
    In the Latvian segment of social networks, the withdrawal of American tanks has already been called "the end of a powerful advertising campaign," which was called "Save Latvia from Russian aggression!"

    Well said!
  • Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 13 January 2016 14: 42 New
    +5
    What an owl about a stump,
    What a hemp on an owl
    All one - do not live an owl.

    С "Абрамсом" латышей развели на энную сумму, теперь с "Хамви" - на более приличную. И предлог опять - благовидный (угроза с Востока). И ведь никак эти самые-самые европейцы не поймут, что конец у них - один (как у той совы). И если их до сих пор просто доили, то теперь выжимать начнут.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 13 January 2016 14: 42 New
    +8
    The 8 Abrams and the 9 Bradley armored personnel carriers are leaving the military base in Adazi. Instead, Stryker armored vehicles, as well as several Humwee SUVs, will arrive in Latvia tomorrow.


    As well as two Batman, a Rambo squad and one Spider-Man.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 January 2016 14: 43 New
    +7
    PR-акция закончилась, можно "по тихому" убрать декорации. Прибалтийские болонки еще не поняли, что они не нужны полосатоухому гегемону вообще. Свою роль они уже выполнили - тоже пропагандистскую. А дальше - все лишние затраты будут сокращаться.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 13 January 2016 14: 43 New
    0
    Derive, then you can borrow)
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 January 2016 14: 44 New
    +3
    They probably realized that the Abramsa bridges could not stand it, and the railway platforms too (except for special Soviet ones). Or maybe the truth is that Abrams does not fit into the railway gauge at all.

    In the Baltic states, the zrad is unambiguous. laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 15: 00 New
      +8
      Quote: Gormengast
      They probably realized that the Abramsa bridges could not stand it, and the railway platforms too (except for special Soviet ones).

      Как показала практика той же Прибалтики, "Абрамы" прекрасно себя чувствуют на стандартной советской/российской ж/д платформе.


      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 13 January 2016 15: 13 New
        +3
        Really fit; do not mind. The platform is apparently 75-ton.
        1. igordok
          igordok 13 January 2016 15: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Gormengast
          Really fit; do not mind. The platform is apparently 75-ton.

          They are placed on platforms with European gauge.
      2. igordok
        igordok 13 January 2016 15: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Как показала практика той же Прибалтики, "Абрамы" прекрасно себя чувствуют на стандартной советской/российской ж/д платформе.

        I think Russian Railways (and transported them in my Russian Railways) for oversized cargo scraped money.
        1. W1975
          W1975 13 January 2016 15: 57 New
          +1
          And not a single partisan was found there ... The Germans at one time also thought they would drive to Moscow on a white horse.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 13 January 2016 16: 27 New
            +5
            Quote: W1975
            And not a single partisan was found there ...

            Belarusian partisans greased the rails with solid oil, after which the fascist echelons stopped only in Vladivostok. (C)
            Sorry, could not resist. smile
            1. family tree
              family tree 13 January 2016 16: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Sorry, could not resist. smile

              In! good Happy Holiday. And thanks for the laughter drinks
            2. volodimer
              volodimer 13 January 2016 18: 13 New
              +1
              Yeah, and you think that at the base of the supports of the bridge to Russky Island is repeat
              1. family tree
                family tree 13 January 2016 19: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: volodimer
                that at the base of the supports of the bridge to Russky Island is

                Yes, as usual, a drawing, the masonry is knocked out, a niche is opened, well, God forbid, put the boxes with TNT there. In general, all the big bridges have this feature, so it's not a secret for a long time repeat At the school, the military instructor told me about this even in school, in the year 78
        2. yehat
          yehat 16 January 2016 10: 52 New
          0
          tanks? I saw only 1 silhouette that looked like a tank, and the rest was Bradley and so on.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 13 January 2016 14: 44 New
    +2
    These are they, the Americans! They will torture poor but honest Latvia and leave!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 14: 48 New
      +2
      Threw and threw.
  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 13 January 2016 14: 45 New
    +2
    Воистину Прибалтика - родина "жертв" Остапа Бендера! )))
    Помните его легендарное: "Заграница нам(вам) поможет"!
    А вот и закономерный результат агитпрома сша "подкрался"... Внезапно!))
    И каждый раз у них(сша) эта "замануха" прокатывает! )))
    Well, what can I say? - About ... balts, there are pro ... alty!
    Little sprats ...
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 January 2016 14: 47 New
    +9
    Не могу понять, почему до сих пор не появился "латвийский патриот", угнавший абрашку дикому восточному соседу ?
    Where is the GRU looking?
    request

    We really need an abrashka for shelling, or, at worst ... to Kubinka in the hangar of foreign vehicles.
    And then such an opportunity disappears, and a lot of money is spent on driving.
    yes
    And, I realized, the overseas gusli is afraid of our dirt ...
    Well, that’s logical.
    Then the hijacking really doesn’t work out.
    Eheh.
    request
    1. family tree
      family tree 13 January 2016 15: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Then the hijacking really doesn’t work out.
      Eheh.

      Hi Alexey, with you coming hi
      Duc, this, there was no order to see, otherwise they would carry it on the handles, cho request
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 January 2016 15: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: perepilka
        Hi Alexey, with you coming

        Quote: perepilka
        Hi Alexey, with you coming

        Volodya, mutually!
        drinks
        And everyone - with the MOST RUSSIAN Holiday coming today !!!
        Happy New Year!
        Turnovers !!!
        drinks drinks drinks
        1. family tree
          family tree 13 January 2016 16: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Turnovers !!!
          drinks drinks drinks

          Наш девиз "Педалька вниз!" drinks drinks drinks
    2. Gomel
      Gomel 13 January 2016 15: 19 New
      +3
      such pictures and with our technology is full :)
      and Egypt will drive us to abrams if Che.
      1. family tree
        family tree 13 January 2016 15: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Gomel
        and Egypt will drive us to abrams if Che.

        In Egypt, the export option, lobeshnik without uranium.
    3. Uhalus
      Uhalus 14 January 2016 00: 55 New
      +2
      Why steal? And so, probably, everything is known, this is an old tank.
      In such mud everything will drown, that ours, that not ours.
      1. family tree
        family tree 14 January 2016 03: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Uhalus
        Why steal?

        В общем это не танк. Делался как противотанковое, только на экспортных обеднённый уран из лобовухи убирают, а у него плотность высокая. Алексей правильно сказал, родной лобешник бы кумулятивными, на сколько, да и "ломиками" тоже what
  • Mahal Makhalych
    Mahal Makhalych 13 January 2016 14: 56 New
    +2
    Obama leaked? belay
    lol
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 13 January 2016 14: 58 New
    +1
    It’s a pity that the war rolls were canceled, the tanks have no where to turn, not a desert. But a swamp.
  • Dam
    Dam 13 January 2016 15: 00 New
    +1
    Well, the iron does not go through the swamp, does not go even to cry
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 January 2016 15: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Damm
      Well, the iron does not go through the swamp, does not go even to cry

      So in the second armored prototype, the equipment should be appropriate: Perchersons or Vladimir heavy trucks. Well maybe mammoths.
      1. family tree
        family tree 13 January 2016 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Well maybe mammoths.

        FIG. Tanks ride sappers. By the way, on the engineering troops, and where the sapper will not pass (well, like a fantasy), there’s no need to make a tank
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 January 2016 15: 00 New
    +4
    We walked not badly in Latvian bars and restaurants ... It's already boring to see! It’s already interesting ..
    170 US troops of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment

    Decided to save ... Latvians at stables will remove manure! laughing laughing
    1. tim195861
      tim195861 13 January 2016 16: 06 New
      +3
      In principle, it is better to know REALITIES. For we are talking about the reconnaissance unit (armored cavalry regiment), which has vast experience acquired in the course of fulfilling duties on the border of the Federal Republic of Germany with the German Democratic Republic and Czechoslovakia. And the name is just a tribute to tradition.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 13 January 2016 15: 00 New
    +5
    In vain they deduce that the tank boys have already become familiar with Latvia. We have already found out where the local eateries are, where you can go a little, if you want in a big city, met local girls. Everything is lost, everything is lost ...
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  • Samen
    Samen 13 January 2016 15: 03 New
    0
    Is the horror backing up ??? lol
    Or is this a secret tactical maneuver? request
  • Halfunra
    Halfunra 13 January 2016 15: 04 New
    +1
    It might be better to immediately transfer them to World of tank, to the sixth level. hi
  • The black
    The black 13 January 2016 15: 06 New
    +3
    Derived on the basis of humane considerations! It’s just that in great Latvia, when the tank starts on one border, it is heard on the opposite, which leads to involuntary urination and loose stools among Latvian generals who think that RUSSIANS ARE GOING! laughing
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 January 2016 15: 13 New
    +8
    “We don’t need abrams here, they’ll drown in the very first swamp” --- Head of the Latvian Ministry of Defense Raimonds Vejonis (current President of Latvia). Spring 2015.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 13 January 2016 15: 19 New
      +3
      Apparently already flew into the exercises))))
  • Gomel
    Gomel 13 January 2016 15: 18 New
    +1
    the U.S. military department concluded that heavy tanks should be replaced with less massive armored vehicles


    похоже у переводчиков Пентагона дошли руки до сайта "ВО" Ха-ха!!!!
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 15: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Lanista
    But no one thought that maybe the amers needed Abrams in another direction?

    8 Abramsov in any direction will not decide what.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 13 January 2016 15: 21 New
    +1
    170 US troops 2nd cavalry shelf,

    So where are the horses?
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 13 January 2016 15: 53 New
      +1
      Abrams and Bradley their horses.
  • Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 13 January 2016 15: 21 New
    +1
    Is Abrams really so huge or does it seem so in the photo? On the tower, a person is generally like a louse-small. 72 takes him in the forehead?
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  • lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 13 January 2016 15: 30 New
    +3
    Абрамсы слишком тяжелы для европейского театра БД с его сильнопересечённой местностью. Они годятся только для саванн, пустынь и прерий. Вот только чем их заменят, списанными М-48 тли М-60? Хотя, для этих вояк и "Шерманы" сойдут.
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  • Gomel
    Gomel 13 January 2016 15: 31 New
    +7
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    In the Baltics, for ideological reasons, the concert of the ensemble named after A.V. Alexandrov was canceled


    Let's be honest. Not for ideological reasons, but quite out of fear. Song and Dance Ensemble of the Russian Army named after A.V. Alexandrov, if desired, can really capture Lithuania or Estonia or Latvia.
  • mpzss
    mpzss 13 January 2016 15: 32 New
    +3
    я тут на "Звезде" заметку нашел: "Бесславный поход: как советские ракеты дырявят американские танки в Йемене" (картинка от туда), может американцы просто боятся к своим танка местных аборигенов подпускать!?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 16: 31 New
      +4
      Да уж, в Йемене совсем неудобно получилось - когда на одном из видео "абрама" подбили из старого "Фагота".
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 13 January 2016 15: 46 New
    +4
    Now these abrashchiks will be moved to Poland so that they drown in saliva on joys.
  • Flinky
    Flinky 13 January 2016 15: 49 New
    +1
    What, lieutenant, is the money run out again?
  • Belarus
    Belarus 13 January 2016 15: 50 New
    +1
    US withdraws Abrams tanks from Latvia

    It will turn out to replace less maneuverable with more nimble ?????
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 13 January 2016 15: 50 New
    +1
    Forgive my incompetence: 25 (or even 70?) Years - down the drain ?!

    Okay - years - and money ?! And hopes (here we are, if that!)? !!

    Ay.yay.yay ... Ts-ts-ts ... VladimVladimych, and maybe, all the same, MUCH? !! All over this bullshit ...
  • vobels
    vobels 13 January 2016 15: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    170 American soldiers of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment arrived at the territory of the Republic of Latvia, located at the base of the local armed forces

    Так они рассчитаются на "первый - второй" и первые сядут на вторых. Всяко получится дешевле, чем абрахамсы содержать.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 13 January 2016 16: 14 New
    +4
    логичное решение. Транспортная инфраструктура не развита, логистика, обслуживание и снабжения весьма затруднительно. Содержание дорого. 8 танков не остановят вероятное "вторжение". Психологическое давления не получилось.

    Американцы буду собирать танковые силы в "кулаки" на главных направлениях. А прибалтику, в случае войны, они все равно не удержат и они это прекрасно понимают
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 January 2016 16: 15 New
    +1
    In Latvia they really have nothing to do, but in Lithuania - yes, it will be interesting for tankers there.
  • comby
    comby 13 January 2016 16: 17 New
    +2
    Christmas trees, sticks ... but how are we going to fulfill the plan for the delivery of scrap metal? Such views were iron coffins ...
    1. Hey
      Hey 13 January 2016 16: 42 New
      +1
      What for they are needed, uranium is used in their armor.
  • sw6513
    sw6513 13 January 2016 16: 42 New
    0
    Tanks decrease, Amerovskie litter put on adult diapers ...
  • TOR2
    TOR2 13 January 2016 16: 48 New
    +4
    The military base in Adazi is leaving 8 "Abrams" and 9 armored personnel carriers "Bradley".
    Жаль!! Нам вообще то в Кубинку образец нужен. В "поликлинику" для опытов несколько штук. В военные училища тоже можно, что бы курсанты ознакомились. Самые отстойные экземпляры в качестве мишеней сошли бы!!! И вот теперь всё это великолепие увозят не пойми для кого. Нужно Латвии объявить протест, и ввести санкции.
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 13 January 2016 16: 48 New
    +1
    170 American troops of the 2 Cavalry Regiment arrived on the territory of the Republic of Latvia and will be based on the local armed forces. The 2 Cavalry Regiment itself is deployed in Germany.

    Did you decide to leave the horses in Germany?
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 13 January 2016 17: 01 New
    +1
    The main US military department came to the conclusion that it is more expedient to replace heavy tanks with less massive armored vehicles.

    Ну да, а "латышских стрелков" на негров-кавалеристов, поскольку местные "бойцы"
    served on the run.