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Emmanuel Ibe Kachikva, the current chairman of OPEC, is thinking about holding an extraordinary cartel meeting. The rapid fall in prices in recent days has caused panic in the ranks of its members. It became known that representatives of several countries participating in the organization addressed Mr. Kachikva. Probably, a meeting dedicated to the reduction of oil production by OPEC members will be held in early March.


Raw panic


Panic in the environment of oil producers did not arise from scratch. Since 4 January, oil prices in the world are plummeting. The budgets of oil-producing countries participating in OPEC are becoming thinner and scarce. Many oil companies are not only suffering losses, but are also approaching a dangerous line, followed by bankruptcy.

Analysts whose opinion leads the site "Market Watch", indicate that about five hundred American companies will go bankrupt within a year and a half, by the middle of next year. However, almost all of them will survive if the price of oil "grows" to 50 dollars per barrel.

However, the market trends, we add, do not allow us to predict price increases in the near future. Experts believe prices will fall.

Morgan Stanley analysts in their latest forecast stated that oil prices could fall to 20 dollars per barrel. Their forecast quotes Financial Times.

“Probably, the price of oil will be from 20 to 30 dollars,” said company analyst Adam Longson.

Reduced the forecast figures and Societe Generale. Financial experts believe that the reason for the fall in oil prices will be both the resumption of Iranian production and the preservation of the previous level of production by the United States. It was also taken into account the sharp decline in the economic indicators of the PRC, which consumes a large amount of energy resources.

Revised forecasts and the British bank Standard Chartered, notes Reuters. According to experts, in the near future the price of a barrel can drop to even ten dollars: “Oil prices may drop to 10 dollars per barrel before market participants admit that everything has gone too far.”

Previously, several other banks (Macquarie, Bank of America, and others) also lowered forecasts for oil in 2016. And in the large investment banks, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup believe that oil will become cheaper.

How to explain such "low" figures in the forecasts, in which analysts are almost unanimous?

The reason is the most common, it is from the field of economic theory. More precisely, from the law of supply and demand. One must also remember the crises of capitalist overproduction and overstocking, which the classics of political economy had long warned about.

World markets are now overstocked with oil to such an extent that supply exceeds demand by at least 1,5 million barrels per day (last year the figure reached 3,0 million barrels per day). Think about it: every day there is a huge excess supply. And in this case there is a natural price reduction. It will decline even more, since in recent months many oil-producing countries (including Russia and the United States) have not decreased, but increased production rates. And among them were the OPEC countries, including Saudi Arabia.

“The main authors of such low oil prices on the world market at the moment are Saudi Arabia with its own dumping program and winning back as much of the world oil market as possible,” said Channel One Rustam Tankayev, expert of the Union of Oil and Gas Industrialists of the Russian Federation.

“The majority of large producers in 2015 reported on historical records, - the expert Sergey Pikin told the First Channel. - Russia is a historic post-Soviet record, Saudi Arabia is another record, the United States is higher than 2014. We see an overstocking of the storage facilities of the main large consumers, where the storage capacity is 80 to 90%. Therefore, everyone expects that in the near future they will be filled to capacity. "

However, the approximation of the price of “barrels” to thirty dollars in January 2016 caused panic in the cartel.

How 12 reported on January TASS With reference to France Press, Nigeria’s Minister of Petroleum, Emmanuel Ibe Kachikwu, who chairs OPEC, called for convening an emergency summit of the organization in early March.

The main objectives of the meeting, he said, is to revise the pricing policy of the cartel and even change the strategy of OPEC (if necessary). “Current prices dictate the need for a meeting,” the chairman said bluntly.

Also, Mr. Kachikvu noted that “some members of OPEC” addressed him regarding the convocation of an extraordinary meeting.

Probably, the cartel members, as well as Kachikwu himself and OPEC Secretary General Abdullah Salem al-Badri, are experiencing a real panic.

This is evidenced by Kachikva’s emotional utterance, which Interfax: “I just hope that the price of oil will not fall below $ 30 per barrel, in the name of all that is holy. I think it is worth waiting for the situation to deteriorate before it improves. ”

Also, panic in the ranks of OPEC is confirmed by informal negotiations with non-oil producers, including Russia. Cartel states are already conducting these negotiations, discussing the possibility of reducing production in the future in order to maintain oil prices. This was said by Kakchku himself.

Meanwhile, given the crisis realities of the oil market, the Russian government sat down at the next "recalculation" of the budget.

At the January 12 meeting, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov asked the ministries to prepare scenarios for the development of the situation in the industry with the price of a barrel of Urals oil in 25, 35 and 45 dollars. “Such figures sounded,” the newspaper confirmed. "Vedomosti" federal official who knows the outcome of the meeting. In the secretariat, Shuvalov refused to comment on the results. Natalya Timakova, a spokeswoman for the premier, told Vedomosti only the following: “Different stress scenarios are calculated, the discussion goes on with experts and within the government.”

Russian oil "Urals", reminds the publication, on Tuesday this week was trading in the 27,4 area of ​​dollars per barrel. At the same time, spot quotes for the Brent variety amounted to 29,1 dollars per barrel. The federal budget of 2016 of the year was calculated from the average annual price of oil in 50 dollars per barrel.

Due to the decline in energy prices since November 2015 in the first two months of 2016, the Russian budget will lose about 300 billion rubles in oil revenues, an unnamed federal official told the newspaper.

According to expert Dmitry Polevoy (“ING”), the Russian authorities realized that oil will be cheap. As for the market, it is important for him to understand the government’s budget strategy. But is there such an understanding? “The main danger is the lack of any understanding where we are going, what our goals are, what are the priorities,” the expert noted.

January 13 appeared in the media statement of the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov. He believes that most likely oil prices will continue to decline in the near future.

“Now there is a very tough balancing of the oil market, we see that no one is reducing oil production. Most likely, we will soon see further price reductions for this product, ”the minister said. IA "Finmarket".

Recall in conclusion that only from 4 in January to 12 in January, for one week, the price of Brent crude oil (for this variety, markets are oriented when pricing Russian oil) fell from 37,35 to 31,25 dollar.

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  1. Kir1984
    Kir1984 14 January 2016 06: 11 New
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    Well, that is not the end. I hope we break through. It’s just a shame that as soon as you start earning something more or less, another crisis flounders about you.
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    2. tobacco grower
      tobacco grower 14 January 2016 07: 23 New
      57
      why look at the buck, it's time to look around and understand who the thief is and not to blame on the cost of oil, they came up with import substitution, finally rejoiced, but after the rest of 1,5 years, that aaaa OIL. It's time to understand that we can spit on everyone and live without an oil needle
      1. heal
        heal 14 January 2016 08: 59 New
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        Quote: tobacco
        It's time to understand that we can spit on everyone and live without an oil needle

        While the current authorities are in power, nothing will change. They are incapable of anything except selling raw materials abroad and raising taxes and prices for their people.
        1. Geosun
          Geosun 14 January 2016 09: 08 New
          +1
          And will come. for example, uncle Vanya and make you cool?
          1. avebersek
            avebersek 14 January 2016 22: 54 New
            0
            Uncle Obama promises cool, but I don’t want to see my country in a number of countries where democracy has come.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 January 2016 10: 23 New
          +4
          Others will come the same, maybe even worse. So out of all the problematic ones, we select those that we already know.
          1. max702
            max702 14 January 2016 23: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            So out of all the problematic ones, we select those that we already know.

            As for CHOOSING you got excited .. As it is said in one film You do not choose the oath, but the oath chooses you .. So it is with elective offices, they will always vote as they should! Technologies always allow you to get the desired result! So do not flatter yourself with the carrot of "Allegedly" elections ..
        3. Boos
          Boos 14 January 2016 11: 45 New
          0
          They do not consider us their people, we recognize that the country is ruled by the diaspora. And for them we are the "population", the electorate "and taxpayers ... And the Russian people are turning it into fertilizer to increase national minorities. This is not a plan to destroy the State, it will not become as soon as the awareness of Russian consciousness disappears, replacing it with the Russian one.
          Quote: heal
          Quote: tobacco
          It's time to understand that we can spit on everyone and live without an oil needle

          While the current authorities are in power, nothing will change. They are incapable of anything except selling raw materials abroad and raising taxes and prices for their people.
          1. avebersek
            avebersek 14 January 2016 22: 57 New
            +1
            How far are you from macro and microeconomics, and cash flows. I will explain on fingers (as I can) we live in a model of capitalist society, where in principle there is no paradise for the individual.
            1. Boos
              Boos 15 January 2016 09: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: avebersek
              How far are you from macro and microeconomics, and cash flows. I will explain on fingers (as I can) we live in a model of capitalist society, where in principle there is no paradise for the individual.

              Feudal society is more like ...
        4. avebersek
          avebersek 14 January 2016 22: 53 New
          0
          What would you do? Give a recipe for plenty ... And what depends on our authorities, if the crisis is global? And what kind of authorities should be what would we live like in the USSR (there may be other examples)
      2. Hon
        Hon 14 January 2016 09: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: tobacco
        why look at the buck, it's time to look around and understand who the thief is and not to blame on the cost of oil, they came up with import substitution, finally rejoiced, but after the rest of 1,5 years, that aaaa OIL. It's time to understand that we can spit on everyone and live without an oil needle

        it was necessary to raise earlier, when when they had a stark income from oil, now it’s too late to drink Borjomi
        1. avebersek
          avebersek 14 January 2016 22: 59 New
          +1
          Well, reserve funds were collected at the expense of super-profits in oil and gas sales. This Putin has long said (five years since).
      3. WINovikov
        WINovikov 14 January 2016 11: 34 New
        +4
        So bastards and sit on the pipe - save up dollars. Reduce prices domestically, and income in your personal pocket will decrease, who benefits from it.
        1. avebersek
          avebersek 14 January 2016 23: 02 New
          0
          “And you don’t confuse your sheep with the state ones” (Caucasian captive) Yes, the state has a part of the shares of oil companies, not all. And if (say, me or you) produce oil or gas and earn and pay taxes, then from which will we give our honestly earned?
      4. atos_kin
        atos_kin 14 January 2016 14: 21 New
        0
        To settle the oil price, it is enough to clearly and loudly divide “partners” into “allies” and “enemies”, after which it will be easier in the Kremlin to separate “friends” from “aliens”.
      5. 73bor
        73bor 14 January 2016 15: 47 New
        -3
        It's time to ban on all TV channels nightmares of people who, in general, don't care how much oil will cost, but they are silent about the price of copper, or I just want to know how the cost of manure affects the price of the ruble, also interesting "analytics"!
        1. Hon
          Hon 14 January 2016 18: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: 73bor
          It's time to ban on all TV channels nightmares of people who, in general, don't care how much oil will cost, but they are silent about the price of copper, or I just want to know how the cost of manure affects the price of the ruble, also interesting "analytics"!

          the cost of manure has no effect. people are interested in the cost of oil, because the cheaper it is, the cheaper the ruble, the cheaper the ruble there is cheaper than their salary, which they receive in rubles.
          1. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 15 January 2016 01: 34 New
            +1
            I am also one of these people and I am not interested in the cost of oil, I joked about manure, the prices of products are more interesting to me!
            1. Hon
              Hon 15 January 2016 08: 57 New
              +1
              didn’t notice the trend, the cheaper oil the more expensive products?
    3. heal
      heal 14 January 2016 09: 01 New
      11
      Quote: Cyrus1984
      It’s just a shame that as soon as you start earning something more or less, another crisis flounders about you.

      So this is the whole essence of the government of the last 25 years. To rob the people, then loosen the nuts a little so that the people "save up fat", and then tighten it again. These authorities are incapable of real development of the country.
      1. avebersek
        avebersek 14 January 2016 23: 04 New
        0
        What's the point? You do not understand that the priest all over the world has come?
    4. Hon
      Hon 14 January 2016 09: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Cyrus1984
      Well, that is not the end. I hope we break through. It’s just a shame that as soon as you start earning something more or less, another crisis flounders about you.

      so for the sake of us good everything is done, this is the question of sanctions
      1. avebersek
        avebersek 14 January 2016 23: 05 New
        +2
        It's time to get used to crises. They come not in a single taken state of the Russian Federation, but in the whole world.
  2. PiP
    PiP 14 January 2016 06: 29 New
    -4
    Panic! For the sake of interest, I looked at the cost of oil on Yandex in 2000. It turned out that it cost around $ 25-30 and that then no one particularly panicked ... And somehow they lived ... Yes, they did not pay a penny of salary, but then At the same time, they were paying off the debts on IMF loans taken under the EBN. "Why pump?" (C)
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 14 January 2016 06: 41 New
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      Quote: PiP
      Panic! For the sake of interest, I looked at the price of oil in Yandex in 2000. It turned out that it cost in the region of $ 25-30 and that then nobody especially panicked ...

      And didn’t you look at the prices of goods in the 2000 year on Yandex? How many times were they lower?
      15 years have passed after all.
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 14 January 2016 08: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: chikenous59
        And didn’t you look at the prices of goods in the 2000 year on Yandex? How many times were they lower?
        15 years have passed after all.

        And the GDP of the Russian Federation in 2000 did not look at Yandex? How many times was he lower? Especially the part that is not raw? 15 years have passed after all.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 09: 00 New
          +6
          It was very curious to watch yesterday the "humming" of our "glorious" economic bloc on the Gaidar gangway ...
          "not a stable bottom" - a quote from one of the geeks.
          Those. there is a bottom, only they have some unsteady bottom, but rather it is a swamp.
          1. atalef
            atalef 14 January 2016 12: 22 New
            +7
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            It was very curious to watch yesterday the "humming" of our "glorious" economic bloc on the Gaidar gangway ...
            "not a stable bottom" - a quote from one of the geeks.
            Those. there is a bottom, only they have some unsteady bottom, but rather it is a swamp.

            In general, in terms of inventing the terms-they are ahead of the rest, yesterday Ulyuksev said that in 15 years, the country will be the most advanced in the world. With zero dependence on oil ---- and where were they the previous 15?
            1. Alf
              Alf 14 January 2016 21: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              the country will be the most advanced in the world. with zero dependence on oil

              Probably, by that time the oil will end, hence the dependence is zero.
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    2. Just felix
      Just felix 14 January 2016 08: 52 New
      +8
      $ 25-30 in the 2000th and 16th are two big differences.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 14 January 2016 09: 38 New
        +6
        The most indicative is the conversion through the value of gold. In 2000, about $ 250 per ounce. Now about $ 1100 per ounce. approximately 4,4 times cheaper dollar. Those. today's $ 30 is about $ 6.8 in 2000 year prices.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 12: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Cube123
          The most indicative is the conversion through the value of gold. In 2000, about $ 250 per ounce. Now about $ 1100 per ounce. approximately 4,4 times cheaper dollar. Those. today's $ 30 is about $ 6.8 in 2000 year prices.

          Bullshit, gold is the same commodity as oil and does not play any role in the price of the dollar,
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 14 January 2016 15: 39 New
            +7
            So same as the dollar is the same product. For the use of which they take a percentage.
            Just investing in gold is more reliable. From the fact that the Americans are trying to convince everyone that the dollar is better than gold, it does not yet follow that this is true in the last resort.
            Since the beginning of the 70s, when the Americans threw everyone to untie the dollar from gold, although the Bretton Wood guaranteed a fixed price of $ 32 per ounce, the dollar fell 34 times cheaper than gold. Those. In order not to lose dollar investments in relation to investments in gold, you need to have a dollar yield of at least 10% per annum. Americans on Treasury pay less than 2%, i.e. just shoe the whole planet.

            By the way, if you measure the price of oil in gold, then the price of oil over the past 100 years has fluctuated slightly around 2.1 g. gold per barrel. Now the price has sharply skewed, which speaks more about the political rather than the economic background of this.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 14 January 2016 14: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Cube123
          The most indicative is the conversion through the value of gold. In 2000, about $ 250 per ounce. Now about $ 1100 per ounce. approximately 4,4 times cheaper dollar. Those. today's $ 30 is about $ 6.8 in 2000 year prices.


          In 2010, if anything - 1950 per ounce. AND?
    3. Hon
      Hon 14 January 2016 09: 13 New
      0
      Quote: PiP
      Panic! For the sake of interest, I looked at the cost of oil on Yandex in 2000. It turned out that it cost around $ 25-30 and that then no one particularly panicked ... And somehow they lived ... Yes, they did not pay a penny of salary, but then At the same time, they were paying off the debts on IMF loans taken under the EBN. "Why pump?" (C)

      Under EBN, oil cost $ 12–13, so they lived like that, were saved by IMF loans, and in 1998 there was a default, then the oil went up, and the radiant image earned against this background.
      1. Shick
        Shick 14 January 2016 12: 31 New
        0
        do not compare those dollars and current, different purchasing power, different exchange rates to the ruble.
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 14 January 2016 14: 11 New
      0
      Quote: PiP
      Panic! For the sake of interest, I looked at the cost of oil on Yandex in 2000. It turned out that it cost around $ 25-30 and that then no one particularly panicked ... And somehow they lived ... Yes, they did not pay a penny of salary, but then At the same time, they were paying off the debts on IMF loans taken under the EBN. "Why pump?" (C)

      Because a little earlier it cost 12-18 bucks, and in 1998, against this background, a default occurred
  3. MarKon
    MarKon 14 January 2016 06: 37 New
    +3
    a month and a half before the meeting)))) So long to get together for a rendezvous?
    1. Averias
      Averias 14 January 2016 08: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: MarKon
      a month and a half before the meeting)))) So long to get together for a rendezvous?

      I'll tell you more. When I saw in the announcements of the news, this is the headline: "OPEC will gather at Emergency meeting in March "- quietly began to be stunned. This is not a frail time for an emergency. The very interpretation of this statement contradicts logic and common sense.
      1. Just felix
        Just felix 14 January 2016 09: 04 New
        +1
        Well, it’s not so urgent, the main topic of OPEC is not the price of a barrel, but the struggle for the market, to keep its client and, if possible, grab someone else’s client, naturally, not OPEC members.
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 14 January 2016 22: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Averias
        OPEC to convene in an emergency meeting in March

        How long has it been Estonians who dominated OPEC? laughing
  4. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 14 January 2016 06: 38 New
    +5
    “The main danger is the lack of any understanding of where we are moving, what are our goals, what are our priorities”

    Maybe now the government will start to move and take any real action instead of constantly repeating: "Our economy has gone up again."
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 14 January 2016 08: 18 New
      +4
      Unfortunately, it will not start, they have declared a priority: this is a "bright capitalist future."
    2. cap
      cap 14 January 2016 08: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Al_oriso
      “The main danger is the lack of any understanding of where we are moving, what are our goals, what are our priorities”

      Maybe now the government will start to move and take any real action instead of constantly repeating: "Our economy has gone up again."


      On January 13, the statement of the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov appeared in the media. He believes that most likely oil prices will continue to decline in the near future.

      “Now there is a very tight balancing of the oil market, we see that no one is cutting oil production. Probably,we will be watching soon further reduction of prices for this product, ”the minister quotes (In 1994, he received the degree of candidate of economic sciences. Thesis topic is“ The state budget policy in the conditions of transition to market relations ”) IA Finmarket.

      Three phrases to continue arguing is simply boring. I will join the observers. That is, I will become on a par with the Minister. Already nice.
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 06: 48 New
    +2
    How long have they been shouting “it's time to get off the oil needle?” But a lot of quick money was obscured by the relics, and oil! When will the authorities finally start thinking with their heads and remove the country from oil doping?
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 14 January 2016 11: 42 New
      +2
      Great-grandfather of Zeus.
      and remove the country from oil doping?
      You yourself answered your own question. They will not be removed from oil doping, as addiction is not treated.
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 January 2016 12: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      How long have they been shouting “it's time to get off the oil needle?” But a lot of quick money was obscured by the relics, and oil! When will the authorities finally start thinking with their heads and remove the country from oil doping?

      C'mon, they shouted that oil and gas would always be in price - we yelled, we’ll take all the eggs, crawl on our knees
  6. Borus017
    Borus017 14 January 2016 07: 01 New
    13
    "Get off the oil needle?" Gee-gee-gee ... "Dad, now you will drink less? No sonny, you will eat less!"
    1. 31rus
      31rus 14 January 2016 07: 25 New
      +9
      Alas, you are right, Siluanov has already stated that 98 is waiting for us, it’s interesting why the deadline for a failed economic policy does not wait for him, it’s worth recalling the crisis plan for the country's exit does not exist, but there is a fantastic budget for 2016, the difference between 2016 and 1998 is huge, before all in all, it’s obvious that the people in the government are not at all the same people, and the faster they get rid of them, the better, the further the creation of a crisis government, the further everything will be announced, you just need to carry out, there is no time to panic, you need daily routine, i.e. work
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 14 January 2016 07: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: 31rus
        Alas, you are right, Siluanov has already stated that 98 is waiting for us

        He said that can the situation repeats as in the 98th, if Do not adjust the budget in accordance with this state of affairs in the economy.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 08: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: chikenous59
          Quote: 31rus
          Alas, you are right, Siluanov has already stated that 98 is waiting for us

          He said that can the situation repeats as in the 98th, if Do not adjust the budget in accordance with this state of affairs in the economy.

          interesting . and approving the budget (3 months ago) based on 50 bucks per barrel.
          who did this at all? Who developed it? The president argued. The Duma approved.
          And just 3 months and realities have changed?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 14 January 2016 09: 05 New
            +6
            Well, 3 a month ago, oil dangled in 40 + and there were prerequisites for growth. Now 30 and with a stable thread for a decline, losing 1-1,5% per day.

            In general, do not count only oil, everything falls. The USA fell by 2% overnight, while prices for Nickel, Aluminum, Metal, Silver, Platinum, and industrial groups fell.

            That is, this is a complex crisis associated with a fall in prices for all basic, industrial and raw materials groups with rare exceptions, a sharp decrease in demand for a number of products.

            In other words, it’s quite a systemic crisis of the world economy.
            1. Hon
              Hon 14 January 2016 09: 17 New
              +2
              Only the United States on the drum, they act on the principle, while the thick dries the thin dies
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 January 2016 14: 34 New
                +2
                Only in the USA, oil companies began to die rapidly - the shale companies have already died.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 14 January 2016 19: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Only in the USA, oil companies began to die rapidly - the shale companies have already died.

                  our state budget is dying and they have companies, it’s not equivalent. The US economy in 2015 showed growth and we have a decline.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 14 January 2016 22: 33 New
                    +1
                    A budget deficit of 5% is not fatal for us.
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 15 January 2016 09: 00 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      A budget deficit of 5% is not fatal for us.

                      you are mistaken, this is not fatal for Americans, but it’s not good for oh, in conditions when no one gives loans to cover the deficit, you will have to spend reserves, and when you spend them they tend to run out.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 15 January 2016 23: 03 New
                        0
                        Speaking of the budget deficit - in our country, the Ministry of Finance discovered 1 trillion rubles of money not spent and now there is a debate about where to send it.
                      2. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 23: 24 New
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                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Speaking of the budget deficit - in our country, the Ministry of Finance discovered 1 trillion rubles of money not spent

                        To go nuts !!!! belay
                        Not yet cut ??? and suddenly discovered ???
                        And there is no project for cutting ???
                        Not an order !!!
                        For this it is necessary to plant, plant and plant!
                        There is already a real article screaming: "For NEDDIPIL" yes
                        how did not have time? how did you not blink?
                        The leader is not satisfied!
                        "You will bury me two channels" - shouts.
                        "You will sell me your whole homeland," he says
                        You privatize everything to me "kumanyok" - just yells
                        What kind of cab.min set?
                        What kind of people?
                        bbbbergs were not given enough! Bank "Rashka" (and so under sanctions) was not capitalized, Gera is poor, the ebribaska is shrinking, the potanins are almost in ruin and our devils are not eating up their loot !!!
                        Strengthen the work !!! Do not sleep !!! Mow !!! Mow !!!
                        And then everyone on the TV will make the beards cut! am
        2. Just felix
          Just felix 14 January 2016 09: 09 New
          +1
          The Saudis adopted a budget of $ 29 per barrel
        3. chikenous59
          chikenous59 14 January 2016 09: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: chikenous59
          Quote: 31rus
          Alas, you are right, Siluanov has already stated that 98 is waiting for us

          He said that can the situation repeats as in the 98th, if Do not adjust the budget in accordance with this state of affairs in the economy.

          interesting . and approving the budget (3 months ago) based on 50 bucks per barrel.
          who did this at all? Who developed it? The president argued. The Duma approved.
          And just 3 months and realities have changed?

          I'm already confused in this zoo. It is not clear what is happening in the government.
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 14 January 2016 07: 45 New
    -4
    I assume the price of oil will drop to $ 5 per barrel.
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 14 January 2016 09: 00 New
      10
      Quote: L. A. A.
      I assume the price of oil will drop to $ 5 per barrel.

      Then Benz will cost 200r. liter!!! Long live the victory over traffic jams.
      1. L. A. A.
        L. A. A. 14 January 2016 09: 22 New
        +1
        Probably in Russia. Oil is already sold so much that it will soon be given for free.
        1. WINovikov
          WINovikov 14 January 2016 11: 45 New
          +5
          And they will give it for nothing, but not inside Russia.
          1. L. A. A.
            L. A. A. 14 January 2016 16: 47 New
            0
            West will soon give away oil for nothing. And for Russians, gasoline is expensive. I do not like.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2016 07: 46 New
    +2
    How many experts have so many forecasts. In essence, a Russian person always hopes for the best, but is also ready for the worst. We will not die of hunger.
    1. Hon
      Hon 14 January 2016 09: 19 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      How many experts have so many forecasts. In essence, a Russian person always hopes for the best, but is also ready for the worst. We will not die of hunger.

      when EBN did not die
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 09: 20 New
        10
        Quote: Hon
        when EBN did not die

        You want to say that not everyone died?
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  • Riv
    Riv 14 January 2016 07: 46 New
    12
    The main joke is ahead. It will be confusing when OPEC says: "That's enough, the low prices will be enough. Let's start cutting the loot" - but the loot will suddenly not want to be cut, and the prices, despite the decline in production, will remain low. Then we'll laugh.

    Have you heard the noise? That Petrosyan fainted ...

    However, maybe I'm too pessimistic? Ulyukaev said that oil could go down to 10 $. This is encouraging. His predictions always come true on the contrary.
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 14 January 2016 08: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Riv
      However, maybe I'm too pessimistic? Ulyukaev said that oil could go down to 10 $. This is encouraging. His predictions always come true on the contrary.

      It is only alarming that Kudrin stopped predicting the collapse of the Russian economy in his forecasts.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 10: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Al_oriso
        It is only alarming that Kudrin stopped predicting the collapse of the Russian economy in his forecasts.

        he was forbidden to predict) lol
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 January 2016 08: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: Riv
      The main joke is ahead. It will be confusing when OPEC says: "That's it, enough low prices. Let's start cutting the money."

      how ? Slate in the States has not disappeared. it is a natural regulator. OPEC lost power.
      Quote: Riv
      but the loot will not want to get a haircut suddenly, and the prices, despite the decline in production, will remain low. Then we laugh.

      Sorry who laughs?
      Quote: Riv
      However, maybe I'm too pessimistic? Ulyukaev said that oil could go down to 10 $. This is encouraging. His predictions always come true on the contrary.

      until the 10th I think it will not go down. but 22-25 completely.
      1. Riv
        Riv 14 January 2016 08: 29 New
        +4
        Shield ??? Jews predict oil price $ 22? It scares me...
      2. ssergn
        ssergn 14 January 2016 09: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        Slate in the States has not disappeared. it is a natural regulator. OPEC lost power.


        Alexander, that is, do you think that shale is extracted more than oil in OPEC?
        Shale oil companies can go nowhere. This time. Yes, and US oil production should decline for the first time since 2008 of the year by 700 tons of bar. (this has repeatedly slipped in the press). These are two.
        If OPEC reduces production while lowering in the United States and, importantly, smuggled Igilov’s smuggling all the same, the balance will change in favor of demand, which will naturally lead to an increase in the price of raw materials. Natural balance will have a hand in aligning the balance — a series of bankruptcies will follow. In addition, companies today have already sharply reduced their investment in production, which will subsequently affect production decline. Also, let's not forget about Canadian oil from the sands, there the cost will be higher. They seem to be one of the first to reduce production. These are three.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 14: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: ssergn
          Alexander, that is, do you think that shale is extracted more than oil in OPEC?

          No, but why get more? To drop the price of oil by 2 times, it is absolutely not necessary to increase production by 2 times, the dependence is not direct

          Quote: ssergn
          Shale oil companies can go nowhere. This time

          Why? Technologies worked out, 26 bucks - level of profitability. Oil will fall - they will close, it will rise in price - they will open.
          Quote: ssergn
          Yes, and US oil production should decline for the first time since 2008 by 700 tons bar. (this has repeatedly slipped in the press). These are two.


          Can you credit?
          Quote: ssergn
          If OPEC reduces production while lowering in the USA and, importantly, smuggled Igilov’s smuggling all the same, the balance will change in favor of demand,

          For Igilovskaya oil, forget a penny.
          But why should OPEC reduce? Maybe let Russia reduce? NO ? And why ? That's why they will not reduce
          Quote: ssergn
          These are three


          Although twenty three. Oil is on the sea market, and Iran has not returned yet.
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  • Terner38
    Terner38 14 January 2016 08: 13 New
    +5
    I also once studied at the institute and I remember the theory of supply and demand. The only fact is that the demand for oil has not gone away, and the prices for it, as well as for other raw materials, for some reason fall catastrophically in DOLLARS! The situation is banal to the point where those who control all world markets (they are exchanges) artificially inflate the price of the dollar in order to buy up world resources for nothing. The second lever of this action was involved - they raised the refinancing rate in the USA by only a fraction of a percent, but what effect! Simply, as it was before, drawing green papers, it has become almost impossible - trillion-dollar debts. So they launched the second mechanism and its range is very large - you can raise the bet at various intervals a little bit constantly and the effect will be similar. I think this is not the last ace in my sleeve to fill the world behind the scenes.
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 January 2016 08: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Terner38
      The only fact is that the demand for oil has not gone away, and the prices for it, as well as for other raw materials, for some reason fall catastrophically in DOLLARS

      It’s strange that from your formula. you somehow removed - the OFFER. and it is much higher than demand.
      And why fall in dollars - but because. that oil is sold in USD. Carl, in dollars
      Quote: Terner38
      the situation is banal to the impossible - those who control all world markets (they are exchanges) artificially inflate the price of the dollar in order to buy up world resources for nothing

      Sucks you at the institute taught.
      You think . so he took and overestimated the dollar?
      why can’t you just take the ruble’s price and raise it in the same way?

      Quote: Terner38
      The second lever of this action was involved - they raised the refinancing rate in the USA by only a fraction of a percent, but what effect!

      Effect? ​​Well, and what?
      and here it is.
      generally raising the rate. usually slows down the economy.
      so here. the states just got out of the crisis and the era of cheap money is over
      Quote: Terner38
      It’s almost impossible to draw green pieces of paper as it was before - trillion-dollar debts

      Total annual GDP. other countries cannot even dream of such a thing.
      Quote: Terner38
      you can raise the bet at various intervals a little bit constantly and the effect will be similar. I think this is far from the last ace in the sleeve of the boss of the world behind the scenes.

      in Russia, the same rate was raised - why the effect is the opposite?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 14 January 2016 08: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        in Russia, the same rate was raised - why the effect is the opposite?

        Zdarova, representative of the world behind the scenes))) hi They say it is dusty in the backstage))
        Sasha sensation - the Kremlin threw all the fighters to the Internet front ..
      2. Terner38
        Terner38 14 January 2016 08: 52 New
        +5
        Dear Atalef (I don’t understand why your own nickname with a lowercase letter, apparently, to put it in your own words - you were poorly taught at school)! Imagine that you live in a desert, but you have a miracle tap with cool water, though you are limited in containers. A thirsty man came to you - oiling green paper - pouring a can of life-giving moisture to him. But then a man of a well-known smart nationality found out about this crane says -I will buy from you in bulk all the water, but only so that it always has been! So download it constantly! And this news made you happy to fill all the mugs and plates just in case, just wanted to pour them on the ground and then draw from the puddle, but the water was leaving the puddle somewhere and the pressure from the tap was getting smaller! So you thought about it and began to open the tap only when an intelligent person of a known nationality bought up all the water from the existing container! MORAL- no smart person will pump oil if there is no demand for it (this is about your phrase about increasing supply). A little later I will try to unsubscribe on all counts, with respect ...
        1. sleeping sayan
          sleeping sayan 14 January 2016 09: 07 New
          +4
          Yes, it is useless, "them", to explain something. "They" have the truth from Judas.
        2. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 14: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Terner38
          Dear Atalef (I do not understand why your own nickname with a lowercase letter, apparently, to put it in your own words - you were not taught well at school

          Atalef (Hebrew) - a bat. - not a proper name
          Quote: Terner38
          MORAL- no smart person will pump oil if there is no demand for it (this is about your phrase about increasing supply

          Your morality does not cost anything, for a simple reason
          1. drown out oil wells - then thaw them - wildly expensive pleasure.
          2. So you stop downloading, and I will buy from someone who has not stopped. And you can’t agree with each other. who first stops downloading --- well, so these are your problems. laughing
          And if you have a lot of people downloading, I’ll decide who to buy from. Well, of course, someone is cheaper.
          1. Hon
            Hon 14 January 2016 19: 20 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Atalef (Hebrew) - a bat. - not a proper name

            what about hebrew batman?)
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      3. Terner38
        Terner38 14 January 2016 10: 44 New
        +6
        Dear Atalef! I will continue to answer your questions. Sorry, because I’m old and stupid - I have not learned how to insert quotes. Oh well. Oil is sold precisely in DOLLARS - correctly noticed! And it would be strange if it was sold in rubles, hryvnias or kregeranda, since smart people of a well-known nationality spent a couple of hundred years and a lot of effort so that it would be. Raising the price of a dollar is very simple - you just had to raise the discount rate, which and it was done. The same thing was done in Russia a year ago when they raised the discount rate to 17%. And the price of the ruble sharply increased as much as from 75 p for always green to 49 p. This is the answer to your next question (why it is impossible to raise the price of the ruble). The only thing that needs to be based on realities is that the USA has much more opportunities in this direction; nevertheless, the owner of the market (an intelligent person of known nationality) is much cooler than a local merchant in this market (a visiting peasant from the Ryazan province).
        Next, about the effect. The effect is obvious - they raised the rate a month ago - the dollar rose sharply. And with practically unchanged supply and demand for resources - the prices for these resources in DOLLARS sharply went down. That is, the owners of the evergreen printing press (smart people of known nationality) again got the opportunity to plunder the whole world, buying up resources cheaper in the evergreen, without resorting to the help of this machine. Fuu straight tired - it's not my business to press buttons. Then maybe I will continue - war is war, and lunch is scheduled. Regards ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 14: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Terner38
          since smart people of known nationality spent a couple of hundred years and a lot of effort that would be so

          although you yourself have already answered this tirade, I have to agree with you

          Quote: Terner38
          . Sorry as old and stupid

          Forgiven, continue on
          Quote: Terner38
          It is very simple to raise the price of the dollar - it was necessary to raise the discount rate in an elementary way, which was done

          And how much did they raise? And how much has the dollar grown in the world?
          Russia or the whole world-- I dare to notice
          Quote: Terner38
          . The same thing was done in Russia a year ago when they raised the discount rate to 17%. And the price of the ruble has risen sharply already from 75 p for ever green to 49 p

          Strange i.e. based on your logic - what is happening with the ruble now?
          And the price of oil does not play any role here?
          Quote: Terner38
          -pro effect. The effect is obvious - they raised the rate a month ago - the dollar rose sharply


          Where did you get up? You ? And why not in the world? Rose but on accounted interest
          Quote: Terner38
          . That is, the owners of the evergreen printing press (smart people of known nationality) again got the opportunity to rob the whole world, buying up resources that had fallen in price in the evergreen

          Delirium
          1. Terner38
            Terner38 14 January 2016 15: 07 New
            +3
            Well, the last points, dear Atalef! About the comparison of the country's debt, equal to its GDP. As they said, also dear smart people, "there was a typical substitution of concepts!" Comparing debts relative to the country's GDP in percentage and in monetary units is two big differences! It seems to be yes - the US debt is equal to one GDP - bullshit! If you think about it, that's 16 trillion! Russia's debt is 35 billion green and Russia's GDP is about 2 trillion. So, by your standards, our debt is much less than our GDP and, again, according to you, our overseas "partners" must envy us. And if we take into account that the USA's GDP is artificially inflated by the non-production sphere (like the service sector, I just want to continue with some services), then a completely different picture emerges.
            It’s not worth talking about your last point - they blurted out from the bulldozer. I have already cited an example above - the rate has been raised - the ruble has risen in price. Now the situation is different - the internal conditions are the same (rate), but the external situation has changed dramatically - the dollar has risen in price and, accordingly, the ruble has fallen in price. But so far there are no critical moments, since it is in its medium-term corridor (44 p - 78 p for green) and all other currencies, stock indices are at their boundary values, which suggests a change in trend (again within the corridor). The big exception is oil prices - which have broken their lower border of $ 38-40) well, there’s a big game (war) against us and the enemy is using all possible means. Respectfully ..
            PS Yes, you wrote above about plugging a well, and I want to buy from one, then from the other, etc. As for drowning, I agree, but as for who I want to buy from one, I can buy it and yes, only the price will be that which was set by an intelligent person of known nationality in his market (exchange), which does not refute my arguments. A bat, if you took it as a nickname, becomes your own name — for example, a ball — a dog’s name and a golf ball. Yours faithfully...
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 January 2016 15: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Terner38
              Well, the last points, dear Atalef! About the comparison of a country's debt equal to its GDP. This, as they said, also dear smart people, "there was a typical substitution of concepts

              I don’t have to pour politics into my ears. I'm closer to math.
              If my debt is 1 million rubles and this is what I earn for the year, I am in a much better position than Mr. Pupkin, who has a debt of 10 tons. but for a year earning 5 thousand rubles

              Quote: Terner38
              To compare debts with respect to the country's GDP in percentage terms and in monetary units, these are two major differences.

              35 billion? In your parallel universe?


              What do you say, and the percentage should be from the average temperature in the hospital?
              Quote: Terner38
              It seems to be yes - USA debt is equal to one GDP - garbage! Only if you think about it is 16 trillion! Russia's debt is 35 billion green and Russia's GDP is about 2 trillion

              Quote: Terner38
              So, by your standards, our debt is much less than our GDP and envy, again in your words, we owe overseas "partners

              Why, collectively, we can envy Ethiopia and Nigeria, their debt (in relation to GDP) is 2 times lower than in Russia
              It is not clear that the problem is not in debt, but in the ability to service it.
              Mortgage, you know what? Will you develop a thought yourself or suggest it?
              Quote: Terner38
              And if we take into account that the US GDP is artificially inflated, so a non-productive sphere (such as a service sector, I really want to continue, what kind of services), then a completely different picture emerges.

              Well, yes, shale oil, which is one continuous zilch laughing
              Stop feeding me agitation, I know what is happening in the USA and not from TV broadcast
              1. Terner38
                Terner38 14 January 2016 19: 32 New
                +3
                Dear Alafer! At the beginning of our discussion, I considered you more advanced in this topic, but ... Information on the GDP of countries and their debts is freely available. When it comes to debts, there is 99% of the government debt in the country. At the moment, the USA has about 19 trillion of greens; for December 15, Russia has 35 billion of greens. It does not take into account domestic debt and the debt of commercial companies and banks. You may be very surprised when you learn that the total US debt is in the order of $ 223 trillion. At the end of 15, Russia has about 550 billion of evergreens. So about a mortgage "I don't need to pour it into my ears." It can also serve (pay off its 2,5% on debts) to the United States even at the expense of the machine, how can it, then it can pay off for these amounts, they will not just never be able to, but simply simply do not collect, which is the whole gem of what is happening in the world economy. By the way, shale oil plays a role in the country's GDP only if it is produced, and does not exist in the estimated reserves. Yours faithfully..
                1. atalef
                  atalef 14 January 2016 19: 48 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Terner38
                  You will be very surprised apparently when you find out that the total debt of the United States is about 223 trillion dollars. At the end of the year, Russia has about 15 billion evergreens.

                  Do not confuse soft with warm.
                  In Russia, debts of 550 billion are mainly debts of state corporations.
                  STATE CORPORATIONS - Karl, keyword STATE.
                  Therefore, it is 550 billion .-- practically the debt of Russia.
                  In America there are no state corporations - therefore there is no country's debt - this is 19 trillion. bucks.
                  Therefore, do not mix.
                  And then I will give the figures of the domestic debt of the Russians and this will not be 550 billion.

                  Quote: Terner38
                  .Can and service (to pay its 2,5% in debt), the United States still at the expense of the machine as they can, then they can’t simply never be able to pay by these amounts

                  Carl if the machine is printing. Why is inflation not rising?
                  It's about the ears

                  Quote: Terner38
                  oh, they’ll just never be able to pay by the sum

                  And there are countries without state. debt?
                  Further, you affirm. what do not pay off debt?
                  Do you know . that each series of government obligations has maturity dates? those. - they pay off their debts, and even pay% - it is not for nothing that Russia holds 90 lards there.

                  Quote: Terner38
                  and, by the way, shale oil in the country's GDP plays a role only if it is produced, and does not exist in the estimated reserves.

                  You are one of not many. which is sure that it is not mined laughing
                  1. Terner38
                    Terner38 14 January 2016 21: 12 New
                    +1
                    Yes, I really was disappointed in you, shpiensky Google to help you is about the lack of state corporations USA. Also google about state-owned companies of Russia - 550 lard - this is of course a debt and offices in which there is a certain part of the state’s shares, but not like 51% and certainly not 100% (Lukoil, Norilsk Nickel, MTS, and the like). US Treasury Debt Repayment is a classic pyramid of extinguishing a previous issue by a subsequent. And please, bring the entire domestic debt of Russia, indicating the source.
            2. atalef
              atalef 14 January 2016 15: 33 New
              -1
              Quote: Terner38
              Well, the last points, dear Atalef! About the comparison of a country's debt equal to its GDP. This, as they said, also dear smart people, "there was a typical substitution of concepts

              I don’t have to pour politics into my ears. I'm closer to math.
              If my debt is 1 million rubles and this is what I earn for the year, I am in a much better position than Mr. Pupkin, who has a debt of 10 tons. but for a year earning 5 thousand rubles

              Quote: Terner38
              To compare debts with respect to the country's GDP in percentage terms and in monetary units, these are two major differences.

              35 billion? In your parallel universe?


              What do you say, and the percentage should be from the average temperature in the hospital?
              Quote: Terner38
              It seems to be yes - USA debt is equal to one GDP - garbage! Only if you think about it is 16 trillion! Russia's debt is 35 billion green and Russia's GDP is about 2 trillion

              Quote: Terner38
              So, by your standards, our debt is much less than our GDP and envy, again in your words, we owe overseas "partners

              Why, collectively, we can envy Ethiopia and Nigeria, their debt (in relation to GDP) is 2 times lower than in Russia
              It is not clear that the problem is not in debt, but in the ability to service it.
              Mortgage, you know what? Will you develop a thought yourself or suggest it?
              Quote: Terner38
              And if we take into account that the US GDP is artificially inflated, so a non-productive sphere (such as a service sector, I really want to continue, what kind of services), then a completely different picture emerges.

              Well, yes, shale oil, which is one continuous zilch laughing
              Stop feeding me agitation, I know what is happening in the USA and not from TV broadcast
            3. Hon
              Hon 14 January 2016 19: 23 New
              -1
              Yes, the US debt is high, only they live and prosper with this debt, and they will continue to live
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    2. donavi49
      donavi49 14 January 2016 09: 08 New
      0
      Now the Saudis and Iran will wage a price war. Iran already this week will throw the first 500 barrels to the market.
      1. Just felix
        Just felix 14 January 2016 10: 07 New
        0
        As far as I know, Iran begins to trade in March, at least with Europe, and on the gas brush, it is already shouting that it will build a pipe to Turkey.
    3. ssergn
      ssergn 14 January 2016 10: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Terner38
      for some reason fall catastrophically in DOLLARS



      With the exchange, you correctly mentioned, but not in that vein. If oil falls so sharply, it means that someone needs it and this (these) someone raise good money, playing for a fall.
      By the way, they will also raise good money later, but already playing for a raise.
      In all that is traded on the exchange, purely speculative factors cannot be ruled out. And in oil it is still there.

      By the way, people, I recommend everyone to watch the video:

      https://youtu.be/qZwjo9zhZwI

      Some who learn a lot for themselves !!!
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 January 2016 10: 28 New
      +2
      "that the demand for oil has not gone anywhere," ////

      Demand is slowly falling. Most of the oil goes to
      gasoline, and the main car manufacturers are Toyota, Volkswagen
      have already made a strategic decision to switch to electric and
      hydrogen cars. Regardless of fluctuations in oil prices.
  • anfil
    anfil 14 January 2016 08: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Riv
    However, maybe I'm too pessimistic? Ulyukaev said that oil could go down to 10 $. This is encouraging. His predictions always come true on the contrary.




    DON'T DISAPPEAR !!!
    1. Riv
      Riv 14 January 2016 17: 20 New
      0
      Well this is clowning. Or are you thickly hinting at the clown nature of Ulyukaev?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 January 2016 08: 29 New
    +9
    Yes, of course, as it is written in the picture, it’s not in dollars, but in bastards. Remember, at an oil price of $ 35, how much gasoline used to cost and how much now.
    In short, with such an attitude of the authorities towards the people, in spite of all this talk about a socially oriented state, the rating of the darkest can very quickly fall. Well, everything is clear with iPhone, a chatterbox, but he himself must understand what is happening, because such trust from people in my opinion and in Soviet times was unlikely. Where there are sensible economists, not these fortunetellers from the economy as the ministers of the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Finance, the Central Bank and others. It’s just that the West does not recognize the West as the best chairman of the Central Bank, just as Nobel Gorbachev, Obama, the best Finance Minister Kudrin, etc. We need to do something, and not to guess on the coffee grounds. Do not believe one, two, gather ten, twenty, thirty of the most-most economists, lock them in the hall, and do not let them out until they come up with acceptable recommendations, even if they fight. And his closest associates to bring to the senses where it suits, Miller has seven million a day. Well, there are no pockets in the coffin, as you will not understand. And great-grandchildren and future generations will not appreciate it, study history.
    1. Hon
      Hon 14 January 2016 09: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Remember, at an oil price of $ 35, how much gasoline used to cost and how much now.

      and you count gasoline in dollars, it’s not gasoline expensive and the ruble is cheap
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 14 January 2016 14: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        and you count gasoline in dollars, it’s not gasoline expensive and the ruble is cheap


        You should understand that the ruble exchange rate by and large depends not only on oil. Rather, from politics, or rather from the confrontation between Russia and the states with its own state-owned company. After all, the stripes themselves made an assessment, though quite peculiar, and so, according to their calculations, the ruble is underestimated by almost 70%, i.e. The red price of a buck is about 23 rubles. And nothing
        surprisingly, even if the IMF redraws its rules for this mockery.
        I didn’t write about this at all, but about the fact that our monopolists are on the drum, the cost of raw materials is growing, whether they know their own or not, they’re stuffing moshna. What the hell is a market economy, YOU apparently didn’t do business in practice.
        PS Plus, consider the difference in the tax system and wages.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 14: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          You should understand that the ruble exchange rate by and large depends not only on oil. Rather, from politics, or rather from the confrontation between Russia and the states with its own state-owned company. After all, the stripes themselves made an assessment, though quite peculiar, and so, according to their calculations, the ruble is underestimated by almost 70%, i.e. the red price of a buck is about 23 rubles


          Yes, yes, yes, I heard this nonsense, on the official first channel
          Evaluation of the ruble at the cost of BigMac - well, if even on the first channel people began to reassure that the ruble is underestimated since McDonald’s is worth it and that’s how it’s clear why the whole economy is going to the abyss.
          Quote: Ros 56
          And it is not surprising if even the IMF redraws its rules for this mockery.

          can I link?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 14 January 2016 18: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            can I link?


            So I about Ukraine and its lending, only the lazy channel did not say that.
        2. atalef
          atalef 14 January 2016 14: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Ros 56
          You should understand that the ruble exchange rate by and large depends not only on oil. Rather, from politics, or rather from the confrontation between Russia and the states with its own state-owned company. After all, the stripes themselves made an assessment, though quite peculiar, and so, according to their calculations, the ruble is underestimated by almost 70%, i.e. the red price of a buck is about 23 rubles


          Yes, yes, yes, I heard this nonsense, on the official first channel
          Evaluation of the ruble at the cost of BigMac - well, if even on the first channel people began to reassure that the ruble is underestimated since McDonald’s is worth it and that’s how it’s clear why the whole economy is going to the abyss.
          Quote: Ros 56
          And it is not surprising if even the IMF redraws its rules for this mockery.

          can I link?
        3. Cube123
          Cube123 14 January 2016 18: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Ros 56
          You should understand that the ruble exchange rate by and large depends not only on oil. Rather, from politics, or rather from the confrontation between Russia and the states with its own state-owned company. After all, the stripes themselves made an assessment, though quite peculiar, and so, according to their calculations, the ruble is underestimated by almost 70%, i.e. The red price of a buck is about 23 rubles.

          In fact, according to any textbook of economics, the key factor in the course is the country's trade balance.
          http://fingeniy.com/ot-chego-zavisit-kurs-valyuty-faktory-vliyayushhie-na-valyut

          nyj-kurs /
          In Russia, now the course is determined by this. The inflow of currency into the country has decreased due to falling prices for oil and gas, it is necessary to balance the outflow of currency. This is done by increasing her course. A higher rate is a smaller number of people who want to relax abroad (less currency is exported), a decrease in consumer interest in imported goods (the price does not attract, the currency does not leave the country), even the food embargo works in this direction. And a lot of smaller factors working in this direction.
          1. Hon
            Hon 14 January 2016 19: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Cube123
            In Russia, now the course is determined by this. The inflow of currency into the country has decreased due to falling prices for oil and gas, it is necessary to balance the outflow of currency. This is done by increasing her course. A higher rate is a smaller number of people who want to relax abroad (less currency is exported), a decrease in consumer interest in imported goods (the price does not attract, the currency does not leave the country), even the food embargo works in this direction. And a lot of smaller factors working in this direction.

            as well as inflation, as a result of rising prices in the absence of rising wages, which means a decrease in living standards
  • heal
    heal 14 January 2016 08: 47 New
    10
    Yeah, panic. So over the 16 years of Putin’s rule, a raw material economy was created and the industrial one collapsed. What did they want? It doesn’t matter that panic is in all the commodity countries, the main thing is that the leadership of the commodity Russia also has panic. Screwed up completely with his rule and stubbornly do not want to admit it.
  • S. TALIN
    S. TALIN 14 January 2016 08: 58 New
    0
    What kind of panic is this if the meeting on the reduction of oil production by OPEC members takes place in early March ?!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 14 January 2016 10: 36 New
      0
      At the last such meeting, they raised quotas per million barrels, they can and again arrange such a feint.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 January 2016 08: 59 New
    +1
    Gentlemen, they are just fooling us When oil revenues fall, the rest of the budget revenues are not lost. Accordingly, the share of "petrodollars" is declining and declining. Itself. Really, IMHO, now the dollar (exchange) rate is dictated by the oil lobby so as not to LOSE YOUR PROFITS. Hiding behind rhetoric about the cost of the barrel and its impact on the budget.
    Generally speaking, depreciation is good for the economy. Imported goods are becoming more expensive, their share is decreasing, and there is a desire to produce by ourselves. My relative works in a textile factory in Tula. They have already taken over 150 seamstresses to work last year. And more than 600 people began to work at the enterprise. And do not have time to train. This is an example of the most alive. And the retail chains somehow turned to face them, and domestic raw materials, and threads, and spare parts ...
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 10: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . They have already taken over 150 seamstresses to work last year. And more than 600 people began to work at the enterprise. And do not have time to train.

      And what do they sew?
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 January 2016 12: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        . They have already taken over 150 seamstresses to work last year. And more than 600 people began to work at the enterprise. And do not have time to train.

        And what do they sew?

        Khodorkovsky sewed the same laughing
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 January 2016 14: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Gentlemen, they just fool us


      I absolutely agree with you, you need to hang and shake these huckster monopolists, like Pinocchio, because these Siluanov-Ulyukaevs ride on their ears and wonder how it will rise or fall on a daisy. (I'm talking about the price of oil, but what did you think?)
  • mitya24
    mitya24 14 January 2016 09: 00 New
    +2
    In short, guys, everything is clear, if in 2015 I was just thinking about plowing my 20 acres of beautiful Dutch lawn under a potato, then in 2016 I will do it ..... we’ll survive, not the first time, we’ve survived the 90s
    1. heal
      heal 14 January 2016 09: 11 New
      +5
      Judging by what you wrote, you will not need to open anything in 2016 either.
  • Darkboy2012
    Darkboy2012 14 January 2016 09: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: PiP
    Panic! For the sake of interest, I looked at the cost of oil on Yandex in 2000. It turned out that it cost around $ 25-30 and that then no one particularly panicked ... And somehow they lived ... Yes, they did not pay a penny of salary, but then At the same time, they were paying off the debts on IMF loans taken under the EBN. "Why pump?" (C)

    And now let’s calculate inflation for each year at 10-12%, here’s the ruble exchange rate at this price for oil, add to this the Saudis offering all buyers in the market a price of $ 1 less than their competitors and voila - the result is inevitable.
    The only thing that saves us is the cost of production - we are the second after the Saudis in terms of cheapness, we will wait and see, although we already want to howl at heart.
    1. heal
      heal 14 January 2016 09: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: Darkboy2012
      Now let's calculate inflation for each year by 10-12%

      Inflation does not come from anywhere, but is a direct consequence of the "ingenious" management of the country and a means of extracting super profits from the ruling elite and the oligarchy.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 January 2016 09: 02 New
    +7
    The media received instructions: instead of the words "crisis", "impasse" and "catastrophe", write "new economic reality."
    1. heal
      heal 14 January 2016 09: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: vladimirvn
      The media received instructions: instead of the words "crisis", "impasse" and "catastrophe", write "new economic reality."

      Because for leadership, the main thing is to make a good face in a bad game.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 January 2016 09: 22 New
    +5
    There are more recipes. To ask natural monopolies to behave more modestly .. hi . Delicately so ask
    "The head of the FAS Igor Artemyev reported to the president on the completion of the 2012-2016 tariff campaign and asked the head of state to support such a policy so that the infrastructure monopolies understand that time has changed and they must become different.
    "We need them to know, to be ready, as you rightly said, in order to behave more modestly not to the detriment of, naturally, quality," Putin said "... http: //www.interfax.ru/business/489489
  • Suhov
    Suhov 14 January 2016 09: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: L.A. A.
    I assume the price of oil will drop to $ 5 per barrel.

    Moreover, the Seller will not receive these 5 dollars, but will pay the Buyer so that he nevertheless takes this oil from him.
    An interesting economic model of behavior is looming ...
  • private person
    private person 14 January 2016 09: 45 New
    0
    Quote: L. A. A.
    I assume the price of oil will drop to $ 5 per barrel.

    Not sickly, but maybe in your opinion it’s so easy to distribute oil in the sense of oil.
  • Alexl
    Alexl 14 January 2016 10: 05 New
    +8
    The Kremlin is also in a panic. After all, the freebie is over and you need to start working. But they do not know how and do not want to work.
    1. WINovikov
      WINovikov 14 January 2016 12: 00 New
      0
      They may want, but who will allow them?
  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 07 New
    +3
    Etymology of Brent grade: Brent is the reference (marker) grade (or grade) of oil produced in the North Sea. Since 1971, the price of Brent oil has been the basis for pricing about 40% of all world grades of oil. The name of the variety comes from the field of the same name in the North Sea, discovered in 1970. The word "Brent" is derived from the first letters of the names of the oil reservoirs: Broom, Rannoch, Etieve, Ness and Tarbat - BRENT. The Brent blend is classified as a light, sweet crude. Brent has a density at 20 degrees Celsius of 825-828 kg / m38,06 (API 0,37). Sulfur content 1%. 7,59 ton of Brent contains XNUMX barrels
  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 09 New
    +3
    Hmm, the kamikaze said the same thing, no one knows what the hell, and they just wait until the oil prices rise again, although they promised to get off the same oil needle, hell knows in what years, but in the end they got hooked even more on it ends ended up in the ass, as soon as she became, nobody needs. What are you saying? What government money can be invested in other industries? What can a favorable economic environment for a business of any size be made by adopting a couple of laws? What It is possible to develop the extraction of other useful resources because we have plenty of them.
  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 14 January 2016 10: 11 New
    +2
    Light oil is organic, no one even questions it. According to one hypothesis, heavy oil is formed by the penetration of sea water into deep gaps and cracks on the bottom of the ocean, where it reacts with iron carbides under tremendous pressure. This does not matter, because the deep reserves of heavy oil are all exactly huge, but extremely difficult to extract. And light oil will end sooner or later.
  • Asadali
    Asadali 14 January 2016 10: 29 New
    +4
    Analysts at Morgan Stanley said in their latest forecast that oil prices could fall to 20 dollars per barrel.

    All that remains is to distribute oil for free. wassat But our bastards will win back on us and the price for us will be 100 Er per liter of 92.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 January 2016 10: 36 New
    -1
    And it’s good that oil is falling — a good lesson for our Ministry of Finance is that they would not put the maximum cost of a barrel on the barrel, acceleration of oil removal — the process has already begun, the share of non-oil exports in Russia amounted to 51%, all shale oil producers went bankrupt in the United States, and now a third of the oil companies in the USA are on the verge of bankruptcy, our companies' shares are falling - they are cheap - you can buy, now is the best time for this, in a few years they can rise in price.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 11: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Vadim237
      And it’s good that oil is falling - our Ministry of Finance is a good lesson,

      the best lesson is for the people, it may soon see the light.
      Quote: Vadim237
      acceleration of peeling off an oil needle - the process has already begun, the share of non-raw-material exports in Russia amounted to 51%

      And what was included in these 51%, what are such goods? request
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 January 2016 11: 51 New
        0
        "What are these goods"? - everything from pins to rocket engines, the export does not take into account the cost of services that we provide to other countries within Russia, and there are also quite a few of them, one of them is the launching of satellites of foreign states.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 14 January 2016 12: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          everything from pins to rocket engines

          I would be ready to believe in your optimism if I had not lived in Russia.
          All machines, accessories, tools are solid imports. Nails and those have become Chaynovsky. And even equipment for the extraction of hydrocarbons is also imports.
          Quote: Vadim237
          , one of them is the satellite launch of foreign countries.

          that's it, that one.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 January 2016 14: 29 New
            +2
            In Russia, they already make their own machines, equipment, tools - maybe not in such enormous quantities, but still, we have a lot of manufacturers from other countries on the domestic market, but there are also Russian goods and there are more and more of them, from overseas it is profitable to carry goods - ruble depreciation. Another example of our production for foreign consumers -SHWABE has begun the production of parts for gearboxes of Formula 1 cars.
            1. Terner38
              Terner38 14 January 2016 22: 09 New
              0
              I agree that licensed Mazakov machines are made in Kovrov, although of course the main components (servos and CNCs) are from Japan, but this is only the beginning. The main problem, I consider the lack of domestic carbide tools - this is really a weak spot, since all the machines are now on it.
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      2. _my opinion
        _my opinion 14 January 2016 18: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Quote: Vadim237
        And it’s good that oil is falling - our Ministry of Finance is a good lesson,

        the best lesson is for the people, it may soon see the light.
        Quote: Vadim237
        acceleration of peeling off an oil needle - the process has already begun, the share of non-raw-material exports in Russia amounted to 51%

        And what was included in these 51%, what are such goods? request

        what goods? smile well offhand:
    2. WINovikov
      WINovikov 14 January 2016 12: 05 New
      +1
      Well, who will buy these shares? You? I doubt it! And people with a characteristic appearance and characteristic accent will own shares.
  • Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 14 January 2016 10: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Asadali
    Analysts at Morgan Stanley said in their latest forecast that oil prices could fall to 20 dollars per barrel.

    All that remains is to distribute oil for free. wassat But our bastards will win back on us and the price for us will be 100 Er per liter of 92.
    Countries exporting raw materials should get together and not allow this, because it is in their interests.
    We must build our own economy independent of any countries.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2016 11: 25 New
      +1
      If oil falls to $ 20, then Russia will have to connect drinking water to the sale on the foreign market.
  • Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 14 January 2016 11: 24 New
    +1
    My opinion, it’s not clear why they will unite in a cartel if their participants are twisted roughly, and they bit and reconciled, maybe the name is it? and it's time to just be called Cosa Nostra, as in the good old days, then maybe your hands will be untied, and your enemies will be smaller.
  • gergi
    gergi 14 January 2016 11: 26 New
    +2
    Of course, I’m still a strategist, but one mischievous little thought is spinning, what will happen if Saudi Arabia does not exist? So much good to all good people! The price of oil will skyrocket, the igil will die of starvation, the terrorists will stop climbing for us, the Qatar will tighten its tail, Turkey will scoop up instantly, theirs will be hissed and stopped, and the exceptional ones will subside. We are honored and respected. Maybe shy, or then again?
  • Ajjh
    Ajjh 14 January 2016 12: 27 New
    +1
    Who is calling the meeting? Madura with company? Judging by the fact that the "EMERGENCY" meeting will take place in more than a month, they are clearly given to understand their place. If the Saudis had announced this, the meeting would have taken place in the evening of the same day :)
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 14 January 2016 13: 09 New
      -1
      The fall in oil prices is a planned action that is needed for such enemies of Russia as the USA Israel and Saudi Arabia with its company of oil producing monarchies.
      And their only goal is to repeat the old scenario that they used against the USSR to rob our country of petrodollars and achieve, if not the collapse of the country, its maximum weakening and on the wave of dissatisfaction with the current government - the so-called liberals came to power like old leaders Gaidar Berezovsky Gusinsky Abramovich but only now they have new surnames Khodorkovsky Prokhorov Navalny Kasyanov.
      That is, in fact, only surnames have changed, and their tasks remained the same - to "plunder" and "destroy" our country and the same methods, together with Western "partners" and the internal "fifth column" to create dissatisfaction of the population with the standard of living.

  • electrooleg
    electrooleg 14 January 2016 13: 19 New
    +1
    Oh, they are gathered. Such a farce! Otherwise, no one knows who this "cartel" is subordinate to. Let them not even think of organizing their own bullshit theater.
  • Ajjh
    Ajjh 14 January 2016 14: 26 New
    +3
    The fall in oil prices is a planned action that is needed for such enemies of Russia as the USA Israel and Saudi Arabia with its company of oil producing monarchies.
    So much time has passed and nothing has changed, Jews, the 5th convoy and the Americans are to blame for everything ... well, Turkey is certainly
  • nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 14 January 2016 15: 37 New
    0
    Analysts at Morgan Stanley said in their latest forecast that oil prices could fall to $ 20 per barrel. Their forecast is quoted by the Financial Times.

    “Probably, the price of oil will be from 20 to 30 dollars,” said company analyst Adam Longson.

    Reduced the forecast figures and Societe Generale. Financial experts believe that the reason for the fall in oil prices will be both the resumption of Iranian production and the preservation of the previous level of production by the United States. It was also taken into account the sharp decline in the economic indicators of the PRC, which consumes a large amount of energy resources.

    The British bank Standard Chartered also revised forecasts, Reuters notes. According to experts, in the near future the price of a barrel may drop even to ten dollars: "Oil prices may drop to $ 10 per barrel before market participants admit that everything has gone too far."

    Previously, several other banks (Macquarie, Bank of America, and others) also lowered forecasts for oil in 2016. And in the large investment banks, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup believe that oil will become cheaper.

    why are all companies written in Latin and only "Societe Generale" transliterated?) lol
  • TiT79
    TiT79 14 January 2016 15: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Boos
    They do not consider us their people, we recognize that the country is ruled by the diaspora. And for them we are the "population", the electorate "and taxpayers ... And the Russian people are turning them into fertilizer to increase national minorities.


    And we are also a "human resource" or "capital" ...
    A phrase from an anecdote immediately comes to mind: "Three hundred souls are enough to start with" ...
  • Governor
    Governor 14 January 2016 15: 45 New
    +1
    How did Putin say something ... - get ready for any turn in the economy! Oh good president, you can’t even dream of the best.
    This phrase, as the whole result of his 15 year reign.
    And once again we recall about the USSR, in which the words crisis did not know!
  • Crown
    Crown 14 January 2016 16: 58 New
    +1
    But for some reason I do not believe request
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2016 17: 57 New
      0
      Our country exports oil for 90 billion dollars.
    2. Terner38
      Terner38 14 January 2016 21: 20 New
      0
      Russia's GDP is over $ 2 trillion - oil exports are just over $ 90 billion - what's wrong ??
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 14 January 2016 19: 39 New
    0
    Rogues rule the world.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 14 January 2016 20: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Terner38
    Dear Alafer! At the beginning of our discussion, I considered you more advanced in this topic, but ...

    Exactly, with such a discussion about something, a waste of time and nerves, they will argue before ... ki, and when they understand that they are wrong or stupidly cut off the conversation, or all you have is nonsense, crap, and so on. And this Atalef is generally a connoisseur and "esperd" of absolutely everything and everywhere, he always considers his opinion the most faithful and correct, there was also a professor, but the truth was offended for something and appears very rarely, this is generally such a "pepper" that you need to look. that do not waste time and nerves, it is useless.
    1. Terner38
      Terner38 14 January 2016 21: 58 New
      0
      Yes, frankly, for the first time I entered such a discussion at the forum without a second thought. I just read the first comment, it seemed interesting to discuss, and then it turned out that "when a gentleman loses, he changes the rules of the game" ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 January 2016 21: 27 New
    0
    All oil producing countries are at a loss. One has only to reduce oil production, as others occupy your niche. Who endures whom. History testifies: Russia can tolerate.
    1. avebersek
      avebersek 14 January 2016 23: 08 New
      0
      Competent comment. There is an economic war for the survival of countries. And when others die, the one who survives will reap the fruits of Victory. And he will set prices himself.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 15 January 2016 23: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: heal
    Quote: tobacco
    It's time to understand that we can spit on everyone and live without an oil needle

    While the current authorities are in power, nothing will change. They are incapable of anything except selling raw materials abroad and raising taxes and prices for their people.

    On 14.01.16/27.27/10, Urals-$ XNUMX oil per barrel. It's time, ladies and gentlemen, to calculate the budget based on the price of $ XNUMX, so that then you do not have to recount, or even better, prints, planted potatoes, dug potatoes, ate potatoes.
  • Rich-ksy
    Rich-ksy 17 January 2016 11: 06 New
    0
    About domestic goods. Recently I flew to Sukhoi Super Jet 100, so it was written on the plane, a good plane, I liked it, there is something to compare. I use UAZ Patriot at work, I think that a step forward, compared with UAZ Hunter. The problem is one price is overpriced. I can’t judge the price of the plane, but the UAZ is overpriced. Throw off 30% of the price from the dealer and the sales volume will increase.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 25 January 2016 23: 42 New
    0
    10) Everything will be fine