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Country 404. Scho did not die in Ukraine ... Final is near

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I hasten to reassure readers. Anthem of Ukraine did not change. The line in the title of the article is not from the anthem. Although, it seems to me, such a question could well have been raised in the hymn. What has not died in this country 404?


Many times I read in the comments of our readers the words that a Ukrainian should simply enrage. Although these words are true. Most Ukrainians have long been eating Polish suet for lunch and dinner. Ended in many ways pig in this country. If someone had told 20-30 years ago that the Ukrainians would stop growing pigs, there probably wouldn't have been a better joke. And so they stopped. Truth be told, in every joke there is some joke.

And then - more. The living is always in motion. But the question is - what is alive in Ukraine? Has it ceased to be a living organism? Maybe it turned into a nutrient medium for living organisms?

Complicated? I will explain the course of their thoughts.

The first months after the Maidan, Ukrainians were still inertia proud of their industry. The Soviet backlog allowed to cherish this idea in their heads. We are building rockets. Tanks We can produce the latest. Ships of the most serious classes can. Not to mention metallurgical plants and other chemical industries.

However, it was literally enough a year for even the most obstinate patriot to understand: the industry died. What was built over decades of the USSR, the revolution of hydration smashed to pieces in a year. And the masses of the Ukrainian people threw another idea. The idea was simple to understand anyone, even the most uneducated dill.

Industry normal European country is not needed. All that is needed, Europe already produces in the required quantities. And after the entry into this very Europe, Ukraine will be flooded with cheap European goods. Europeans will even be happy for such a large market.

True, some Ukrainians who have not yet completely lost the ability to think have asked a very reasonable question. Where do we get the money from? But these questions were stopped by the ominous views of "smart" scientists. In Europe, there is some shortage of agricultural products. And in the world too. And the Ukrainian land is fertile. Stick a stick in the spring - in the fall you can drive a new excavator to the market.

The idea so captured the Ukrainian society that they immediately forgot about the dying factories. The townspeople began to actively restore their summer cottages. Villagers look to empty fields.

Even the war in the Donbas was not perceived as painful. Why Ukraine Donbass? Why coal? Why all these plants? We will become the granary of Europe, as once were considered the granary of the USSR. Yes, and the people of this very Donbass nobody needs. They are not villagers. They are workers. And so many people do not need to cultivate the land.

But events began to develop quite differently, as Svidomo villagers saw. It turned out that everything that they produce, now no one needs. Not because the quality is bad. Not even because there is in Europe. Not. Just in the EU, agriculture has long been turned into industry. The same factories and plants. They do not produce nuts and other gears, but meat, potatoes and everything else. Sometimes they do not even use land for this.

And just like in any factory, the final product must be strictly certified and comply with EU standards for many parameters. Yes, and production control should be constant. In a word - industry.

But finally finished off the villagers tax reform. What the government advocated. According to this document, now there will be no benefits and a special VAT regime. The Association Agreement with the EU is one of the points that says this.

"It is no secret that small farmers are engaged in fraud - they pay a black salary, sometimes they work fictitiously and launder money. Therefore, the government must restore order in this area, as the Association suggests. Anyone who works honestly has nothing to fear - he will continue to work or with VAT or without VAT. And all the preferences from the state that were previously received by small farmers are remnants of the past. Once you have grown a crop honestly, sell, pay taxes to the state and sleep well. If you can’t do it, then don’t take it. Europe large associations and agricultural holdings are the engines of the agrarian business. They receive preferences. The state is oriented to make the same system with us. "

This is the opinion of the Ukrainian economist Alexander Okhrimenko.

Simply put, Ukraine does not need small producers. The state deliberately goes to their complete destruction. If Ukraine is Europe, then agriculture should be the same.

It is clear that in Kiev they considered the consequences of such a step. Agrarian west of the country will be against. And the peasant performances will be. Only here is late.

Many Ukrainians wondered why serious forces from the ATO zone were transferred to the western regions. Why did those who already have significant combat experience in the civil war suddenly find themselves deep in the rear? The government answered these questions frequently. This is the fight against the separatists. This is the fight against criminals from the Right Sector. This and Transnistria.

And in fact, as we see today, everything was much simpler. The troops are needed in order to activate the western regions simply to pinch them with military force. The villagers, unlike the workers, are not so united and will not be able to organize any serious militia whatsoever.

The destruction of small-scale farming will automatically lead to a shortage of products. And above all, it will be meat and dairy products. And this deficiency can provoke already citizens. The same Kiev and other regional centers. But this, as can be seen today, the government of Yatsenyuk has provided. True, Ukrainian society is still silent about this. But this is only for now.

But it is enough to read the press of the countries-friends of Ukraine. Unlike Ukrainian peremog, there are practical people there and they seriously discuss any step. So, in the Canadian press published the message of the Ministry of Agriculture.

"Ukraine allowed the export of pork and beef from any Canadian federally registered enterprise, which meets the certification criteria," "Canada seeks to strengthen economic relations with Ukraine and ensure greater access to its markets for Canadian exporters."

Did you notice? There is not a single word about Ukrainian manufacturers. Why? Yes, because Canadians are looking for markets for their products, but they are not at all determined to give their markets Ukrainians. And the Ukrainian market is quite a tasty morsel for Canada. The Ministry of Agriculture estimates it at 50 million dollars annually.

The agreement is not yet signed. There is a refinement of purely technical details. So, soon, apart from Polish pork, Ukrainians will start to consume Canadian too.

And the ruin of small producers will lead to a sharp drop in land prices. That in conditions when Russian firms are deprived of the right to buy anything in Ukraine will lead to the purchase of land by Western companies. Including Canadian.

It is no secret that before the start of the civil war in the Donbas, many hectares of farmland in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions were rented by Finnish and German entrepreneurs. And all the products went to these countries. China has also been asking prices for Ukrainian black soil.

And the introduction of the Western mode of production of agricultural products will lead to the release of a huge reservoir of former peasants. So what is next? Next will be played that scenario, which we talked about two years ago. "Excess" people will be forced to leave the country. No matter where. That same 10-12 of millions of workers will remain.

I understand that the gloomy forecast. But I see no reason for another. Yes, and those who are able to resist this, to be honest, too.

We often used the common expression - go Rubicon. Yes, the Rubicon is indeed Ukraine transitioned. A state that has lost political, economic, ideological, even moral independence will disappear. New to new stories Europe, there is a banana republic. Republic of sunflower ...
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  1. Finches
    Finches 14 January 2016 06: 17 New
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    So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 14 January 2016 06: 48 New
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      So? Then the scenario that we talked about two years ago will be played out. "Extra" people will be forced to leave the country. It doesn't matter where. Those 10-12 million workers will remain.


    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 14 January 2016 06: 54 New
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      As always happens with Ukrainians - wonderful dreams crashed into harsh reality. The European sun scorched the wings of the Ukrainian Icarus smile
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 14 January 2016 21: 39 New
        +6
        But I found something interesting ... And now try to laugh at Vladimir Volfovich ...
    3. kubanec
      kubanec 14 January 2016 09: 08 New
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      -------- That’s not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......! -------- I don’t feel sorry for the Ukrainians! - Sorry for the Russians in Ukraine!
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 14 January 2016 12: 54 New
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        Quote: kubanec
        -------- That’s not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......! -------- I don’t feel sorry for the Ukrainians! - Sorry for the Russians in Ukraine!

        But I don't feel sorry for them at all. When it was necessary to crush the Bandera scum, Russians in Ukraine yelled about fried Colorado and quilted jackets. For example, my relatives. And I don’t feel sorry for them. Those who have not been brainwashed by independence are already here or in the ranks of the Donetsk militia
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 14 January 2016 19: 36 New
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          Quote: ZAV69
          Quote: kubanec
          -------- That’s not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......! -------- I don’t feel sorry for the Ukrainians! - Sorry for the Russians in Ukraine!

          But I don't feel sorry for them at all. When it was necessary to crush the Bandera scum, Russians in Ukraine yelled about fried Colorado and quilted jackets. For example, my relatives. And I don’t feel sorry for them. Those who have not been brainwashed by independence are already here or in the ranks of the Donetsk militia

          Gold words. If you look at what language the bulk of the PS and nat. guard, then it will be Russian (quite Russian surnames, they themselves are from the South-East of Ukraine). Selyuchye from the west of Ukraine only jumped on the Maidan, and these "Russian-speaking patriots of Ukraine" are fighting.
    4. little girl15
      little girl15 14 January 2016 11: 22 New
      +6
      Zyablitsov (1) RU Today, 06:17
      So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!

      It’s not a pity, of course. But these "extras" will come to Russia, whom we will have to place, provide work. And all the same, we Russians will be to blame for the fact that they asked ... their Ukraine.
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 January 2016 11: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: Vovochka15
        we Russians will be to blame

        Axiom .. mother her children ...
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 14 January 2016 12: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          Axiom .. mother her children ...


          TIRED !!!!!
      2. gergi
        gergi 14 January 2016 13: 10 New
        +8
        Why not accept competent specialists of the same blood and language with us? We will easily master ten million. And even more. And we will have a hundred and sixty million. How will this harm Russia? Siberia, the Far East are emptying, the places are fertile, the Chinese or the Tajiks to settle them?
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 29 New
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          Literate are those who were educated in the USSR.
          And they are already over 45 of whom liberal effective managers are reluctant to hire.
          So these Svidomo will come in large numbers.
          They know English well, but without fundamental technical knowledge and who hate the "occupiers" who will willingly work for.
          Well, how willing ...
          Those willingly demanding a higher salary.
    5. Poppy
      Poppy 14 January 2016 12: 34 New
      +1
      and the appearance of such a territory close by does not bother?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 January 2016 13: 14 New
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        Quote: Poppy
        and the appearance of such a territory close by does not bother?

        laughing The Balts are somehow tolerant - and we will tolerate these, the main thing is to guard your border well, so that they do not go there and go.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
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          Balts together with Poland less than 20 million
          And then there are as many as 30 million unnecessary Ukraine migrant workers who hate Russia.
          To 12 million unemployed in Russia is too much.
    6. Yars
      Yars 14 January 2016 12: 45 New
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      Quote: Finches
      So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!

      but I feel sorry for, even very much, since it is not the wine that suffers, the simple people are for the ambitions of Western structures and the Ukrainian oligarchs. One part of the media is zombie Ukrainian, another part of understanding what is happening is afraid to express their opinion because of the information crush in the media! I would not be so unsubstantiated in your place finders and would not poison fraternal peoples here!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 January 2016 13: 17 New
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        Quote: YARS
        I would not be so unsubstantiated in your place finders and would not poison fraternal peoples here!

        belay Fraternal peoples? Yes, this is our Russian people, only a little diluted with a Polish and German ram, but Turkish - because there is so much rottenness, but as the classic used to say, when the Okrainets grows wiser, many become wiser, and then you look back to their homeland and with arms in their hands will defend their own land, instead of races and curses against the "south" and Parashkin puppies.
        1. Yars
          Yars 15 January 2016 15: 45 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: YARS
          I would not be so unsubstantiated in your place finders and would not poison fraternal peoples here!

          belay Fraternal peoples? Yes, this is our Russian people, only a little diluted with a Polish and German ram, but Turkish - because there is so much rottenness, but as the classic used to say, when the Okrainets grows wiser, many become wiser, and then you look back to their homeland and with arms in their hands will defend their own land, instead of races and curses against the "south" and Parashkin puppies.

          I agree, but unfortunately because of the information pressure, some of them do not consider themselves so, but this is a matter of time!
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 37 New
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          Well, they should be forcibly settled in Siberia using Stolypin methods, as they were once settled in Altai.
          And so they go further than Central Russia and do not budge.
          Who will settle them here and with whose money will they settle?
          How many people have already arrived in Birobidzhan?
        3. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 15: 37 New
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          Well, they should be forcibly settled in Siberia using Stolypin methods, as they were once settled in Altai.
          And so they go further than Central Russia and do not budge.
          Who will settle them here and with whose money will they settle?
          How many people have already arrived in Birobidzhan?
      2. Your friend
        Your friend 14 January 2016 19: 42 New
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        Quote: YARS
        Quote: Finches
        So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!

        but I feel sorry for, even very much, since it is not the wine that suffers, the simple people are for the ambitions of Western structures and the Ukrainian oligarchs. One part of the media is zombie Ukrainian, another part of understanding what is happening is afraid to express their opinion because of the information crush in the media! I would not be so unsubstantiated in your place finders and would not poison fraternal peoples here!

        Another lover of "fraternal peoples". Now the Serbs are brothers, then the Bulgarians, then the Turks ... and as a result, a huge, savory spit towards Russia. Aren't you tired of wrap around? Let's love and respect the Russians, Bashkirs, Mordovians ... - our fellow citizens, and not zakardonny horses.
        1. Yars
          Yars 15 January 2016 15: 55 New
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          Quote: Your friend
          Quote: YARS
          Quote: Finches
          So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!

          but I feel sorry for, even very much, since it is not the wine that suffers, the simple people are for the ambitions of Western structures and the Ukrainian oligarchs. One part of the media is zombie Ukrainian, another part of understanding what is happening is afraid to express their opinion because of the information crush in the media! I would not be so unsubstantiated in your place finders and would not poison fraternal peoples here!

          Another lover of "fraternal peoples". Now the Serbs are brothers, then the Bulgarians, then the Turks ... and as a result, a huge, savory spit towards Russia. Aren't you tired of wrap around? Let's love and respect the Russians, Bashkirs, Mordovians ... - our fellow citizens, and not zakardonny horses.

          and you are another provocateur who wants more hatred. The Turks were not brothers! The people themselves are friendly and their power is solid puppets and corrupt creatures, but the common people, what does it have !? I'm not tired of flowing around, since I dodge "spitting", and who likes to perceive all the "spits" and declare hostile nations, these are his personal problems!
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    7. Petrol
      Petrol 14 January 2016 13: 14 New
      +1
      Finches
      when they finish us off for you and but father take it
      1. avt
        avt 14 January 2016 13: 42 New
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        Quote: Benzin
        when they finish us off for you and but father take it

        An odd man, but all this dregs in Ukraine against us - Russia, and you there on the outskirts are not players at all and not even figures - a cage of the board for the game. Well, at least read Brzezinski - the main ideologist, whose pupils rule at least from Condoleezza Rice, his pupils, by the way, these are his glitches, not Putin, about the fact that without Ukraine Russia is not an empire, here they are for US - Russia and shit. Isn't that the mind and did not have enough to understand? Or is the pride of the construction of the Egyptian pyramids obscuring the eyes? wassat
        1. sarmaght
          sarmaght 15 January 2016 23: 55 New
          +1
          They are not even a cage on a chessboard, they are garbage on the playing field, which will be removed sooner or later, but they revel in their “greatness of ancient ukrov”, dignity, “independence” and other crap carefully cultivated by foreign uncles, so that this “human garbage "- according to the State Department, he destroyed himself as soon as possible in the struggle for mythical independence, European values, and so on. Rubbish! What are the "European values" - showed a series of rapes in Germany on NG. - translated into human language from European - aliens publicly rape white women - and - no reaction !!! except for the vague advice to "stay away from visitors" from the mayor - why the hell do we need SUCH VALUES !! - maybe the correct people!
      2. little girl15
        little girl15 14 January 2016 14: 02 New
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        Benzin (1) UA Today, 13:14 PM ↑ New
        Finches
        when they finish us off for you and but father take it

        Who needs you Benzin? You will whip yourself, starve yourself and shoot each other. Download further, download ...
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 15 January 2016 23: 16 New
          +2
          and who didn’t jump, then who am I? I don’t ask you, I don’t fight, but I also try not to be silent. our weakness of people like me, Gasoline and similar is that we are waiting for the one who starts, more courageous and decisive, leader .for this I am personally ashamed, but it is true, I try to really assess my opportunities. Yes, and the victory of Bandera is a consequence of the disunity of their opponents and their pursuit of a long dollar to the detriment of everything.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 15 January 2016 23: 34 New
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            Quote: Suhow
            and who didn’t jump, then who am I? I don’t ask you, I don’t fight, but I also try not to be silent. our weakness of people like me, Gasoline and similar is that we are waiting for the one who starts, more courageous and decisive, leader .for this I am personally ashamed, but it is true, I try to really assess my opportunities. Yes, and the victory of Bandera is a consequence of the disunity of their opponents and their pursuit of a long dollar to the detriment of everything.

            Are you seriously? There are microscopic minorities like you. I myself am 3/4 Ukrainian, I have almost all relatives in Ukraine. They either do not care what is happening, or they hate everything Russian to the gnashing of teeth. The peoples have dispersed, nothing can be glued together, no leader will help.
            1. Yars
              Yars 17 January 2016 15: 34 New
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              Quote: Your friend
              The nations have diverged, nothing can be glued together, no leader will help.

              Liberals dream .....
          2. nrex
            nrex 16 January 2016 12: 17 New
            +1
            I completely agree with him. And then in the Crimea, the people themselves defended their right, they consolidated themselves and held elections. So in Ukraine, the majority wants, but cannot, and in the whole world it is so. All revolutions are done in an organized manner. Any spontaneity without financial backing and support from other countries is just a riot.
      3. Dam
        Dam 14 January 2016 14: 20 New
        +6
        So you end yourself. You don't need any help, you can handle it yourself. They put the Jews in embroidered shirts on their heads, took the Galitsai trash into their heroes and cheerfully fly from the mountain to: "Sala heroi"
      4. Suhow
        Suhow 15 January 2016 23: 05 New
        +1
        a hammer!!! but if we manage to unite then the chances are very good.
      5. nrex
        nrex 16 January 2016 12: 10 New
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        Translate, who understood how?
    8. valent45
      valent45 14 January 2016 13: 26 New
      +2
      I completely agree. Well, they themselves do not want to understand
      that there will be no more freebies. And yet, what you need to watch is who
      choose. And those who are "children", so their parents themselves
      allowed to become such. Yes, what they allowed - parents were worried
      so that their children in the war were shod, dressed, fed and fought against
      their own people in good armor.
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    10. iouris
      iouris 14 January 2016 17: 40 New
      +2
      But I am sorry: this is the Russian people.
    11. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 14 January 2016 19: 21 New
      +1
      "Don't move the hymn - don't be stinking."
    12. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 14 January 2016 19: 38 New
      0
      "Don't move the hymn - don't be stinking."
    13. Valiich
      Valiich 14 January 2016 20: 35 New
      0
      I completely agree with you. As the author writes, they (Ukrainians) have long turned into a product derived from food, i.e. in d-mo, to their personal regret.
    14. RUSS
      RUSS 14 January 2016 21: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      So not a bit sorry for the Ukrainians .......!
    15. Sergei 34
      Sergei 34 15 January 2016 05: 20 New
      +2
      The creatures who shout how to kill "her" "on the gilyak", "on the knives" let everyone rest there, along with the fagot Bandera.
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 15 January 2016 23: 20 New
        +1
        it is a pity that you are so about all Ukrainians, for me and not only, Bandera is not a dick, but a German lackey, like many of his current followers, minus you .... it's a shame ...
        1. nrex
          nrex 16 January 2016 12: 27 New
          0
          In defense of our comrade, I will say that those who shout and blaspheme most of all here are Euromaidan's patricians. They don't want to think and empathize. And no different from the same frenzied ukrorusskih from the other side. You can minus me, but until worldly wisdom comes to you, you will ride here as they ride there. The essence is the same.
    16. gg.na
      gg.na 15 January 2016 16: 39 New
      0
      Why then feel sorry for feces? wassat What went and got it! lol
    17. Rezident007
      Rezident007 15 January 2016 22: 11 New
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      IS THERE WHO IS FROM UKRAINE ??? WRITE IN WHAT MOOD YOU HAVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
    18. ando_bor
      ando_bor 16 January 2016 17: 12 New
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      And I feel sorry for when I feel very sorry, I go to the Ukrainian site - it makes it easier.
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  2. Hubun
    Hubun 14 January 2016 06: 21 New
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    Fig knows him, but I'm sad like that.
  3. Hubun
    Hubun 14 January 2016 06: 22 New
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    Fig knows him, but I'm sad as that ... Who will answer for the fact that the country was torn to shreds
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 January 2016 09: 17 New
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      Quote: Hubun
      Who will answer for the fact that the country was torn to shreds


      Well, to be honest, we also had a hand, or rather, we did nothing to prevent this from happening. Remember how Chernomor sipped vodka off a checkerboard, and why was he there? The next ambassador, also neither fish nor meat. And the striped, by the way, five lards threw in, but it was announced, but how many actually, who considered, especially there were CIA officers, and where were ours, were they covering up the energy sector?
      Of course, it is not so easy to translate the above scenario into reality, people are people, and the author turned it down to drive millions out of the house. Yes, and some strange stirring went, wait and see.
      1. wandlitz
        wandlitz 14 January 2016 09: 33 New
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        It's dangerous to talk about the ambassador. Once, in the comments on VO, for my criticism of Zurabov, I got so many minuses .... And Zurabov is a person from the category of "ambassador to ...".
        1. gergi
          gergi 14 January 2016 13: 15 New
          +1
          In naukraine now their derrm is too much, and there, for completeness of happiness, they also sent a zurabov. With the meaning of a package.
      2. domokl
        domokl 14 January 2016 09: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Ros 56
        we did nothing to prevent this from happening

        Alas, for almost a quarter of a century we proceeded from the fact that Ukrainians are our brothers. and brothers are different, including non-traveling ones.
        It seems to me that today claims to Russia should be minimal. I will not feed the enemy, even apologize for such words to the citizens of Ukraine, stupid.
      3. sibiryk
        sibiryk 15 January 2016 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, to be honest, then we put our hand, or rather, we did nothing to prevent this from happening.


        Comrad! what kind of self-flagellation is this, did you really invite the "vlada" to overthrow them on "Muidan", you are to blame am .
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 14 January 2016 06: 36 New
    +4
    The serpent eats itself, the ouroboros ...
  5. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 14 January 2016 06: 43 New
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    He who sows the wind will reap the storm. In general, we got what we deserved. Maybe it's cruel, someone will say - "But what about children, old people ...". Life, and even more so a modern, cruel thing. Today you need to think about your people, your country. About how we can get out of the shit into which we have crawled deep, perhaps since the 80s. Ukraine, like other republics of the former USSR, wanted independence, excuse independence? Receive and sign, only independence implies not only freedom of action for the local partocracy, but also responsibility for your country, people and decisions. And this, apparently, is not yet understood, and is unlikely to be understood. Ukraine has proven its failure as a state, and the Ukrainians have proven their inability to build any adequate, viable state formation. Good luck to us friends, it will not interfere with us. And let the Ukrainians think for Ukraine (if there are any).
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 14 January 2016 08: 02 New
      +2
      After the collapse of the USSR, there were a huge number of much more gloomy predictions about the further existence of Russia. And at first they were confirmed. Everything that was possible was sold to foreigners - enterprises, factories, entire industries ...
      Russia has become a secondary country of raw materials and still cannot get out of this pit. The former Soviet republics experienced the same.
      Ukraine is again stepping on the same rake. Therefore, there will be more problems in multiple sizes.
      I don't want to gloat, Ukraine will have to start thinking, centuries-old ties are not broken overnight.
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 14 January 2016 06: 43 New
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    Maybe enough urapotreotic nonsense? Ukroina is alive thanks to us, somehow the government forgot about their multibillion-dollar gas debts, now we’ll give a three-ruble note! Until our government at our expense ceases to contain this territorial misunderstanding, which is also trying to ruin our lives with all sorts of threats and blackmail , it will exist. We feed it, we tolerate it, but from this ukroiny, except for shit, we do not see another in response. The authorities urgently need to change their attitude towards the quasi-state, then the results will be different.
    1. McLuha-MacLeod
      McLuha-MacLeod 14 January 2016 08: 30 New
      +4
      And then the power! Capital is tied up in Ukraine so much that it is not possible to simply leave there.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2016 06: 47 New
    +9
    The state that has lost its political, economic, ideological, even moral independence will disappear.

    Indeed, according to logic, such a state is simply obliged to collapse and ultimately disappear. But, as long as the United States and Europe need Ukraine to solve their political and mercantile goals, this state will be supported by whoever can. But in the end it won't help either. Maintaining a country with 45 million people is too expensive even for the United States. Therefore, in any case, disintegration is inevitable.
    1. Warbird # 4
      Warbird # 4 14 January 2016 07: 06 New
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      Yes, it seems they will no longer ...
    2. alexej123
      alexej123 14 January 2016 09: 13 New
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      Or outflow of the population to the "level acceptable to partners."
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  8. oldav
    oldav 14 January 2016 06: 58 New
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    An example from life. The girl, being married to an intelligent wealthy man, meets a village major and leaves for him. In the village, she lives in mud, in hard work and often drinks. Her hubby is constantly drunk and beats her with his fists, there are already three dirty and unwashed kids in the house. But most importantly, she considers herself happy and does not want to go back to her husband.
    This is also Ukraine, there is nothing but full of happiness pants.
    1. cuzmin.mihail2013
      cuzmin.mihail2013 14 January 2016 08: 11 New
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      In the first case, it may be love! And it is not compatible with logic.
      Secondly, a serious mental illness.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 14 January 2016 13: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: oldav
      An example from life. The girl, being married to an intelligent wealthy man, meets a village major and leaves for him. In the village, she lives in mud, in hard work and often drinks. Her hubby is constantly drunk and beats her with his fists, there are already three dirty and unwashed kids in the house. But most importantly, she considers herself happy and does not want to go back to her husband.

      laughing The analogy is strange - I would even say confused,
      for Ukraine is just a girl who lives in a village, and she lives quite well for herself - not poorly, with good neighbors (Russia, Belarus), generously helping with the housework, buying her made goods for their needs.
      And then a dashing "rogue" arrives with a German cap and English words in his speech, sulking her with various promises, and the girl, leaving the farm unattended, tries to go to his farm. Only now he still won't take her to him, he comes, drags her to the hayloft, then standing, then sitting, then jumping, the whole Kama Sutra has already been studied, and he feeds her with promises. She humbly substitutes herself and accepts small gifts, but her chickens are already dead, and the cow's ribs are already sticking out, and the garden is overgrown with weeds.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 14 January 2016 07: 43 New
    +9
    Yes, Ukraine has indeed crossed the Rubicon.... The bridges have been burned ... But ... I have one stubborn "Ukrainian", and a Russian, wrote ... that the Ukrainian economy will rise ... In Kharkov, they will produce Abrams and Leopards, in Kiev - Boeings, in Zaporozhye - Mercedes ... smile I was at a loss ... What could I answer ... The hopes of the young men nourish ... smile
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 January 2016 09: 25 New
      10
      Quote: parusnik
      .me one stubborn "Ukrainian", and a Russian, wrote .. that the Ukrainian economy

      Well, what they told him on TV, he repeated it. Your brains are gone. They tell us that we will have stunned profits from tourism ... in historical and mystical places ... in the sense that we have so many cemeteries here - Jewish, Polish ... they will undoubtedly interest foreigners. And also (in all seriousness) they say that it will be wonderful for foreigners to sit on the banks of a rural river, and then this same foreigner will want to help the villager and will dig beetroots (beets) next to him and at the same time MEDITATE !!!! belay
      Guys! If anyone wants to meditate, you are welcome to my garden! laughing fellow
      1. Reinhard
        Reinhard 14 January 2016 10: 44 New
        +5
        What kind of tourism? What are mystical places? We were preparing for Euro 2012 in Kiev. The Opera House has urgently prepared a new program. hotels are on their ears. the prices were urgently inflated. museums were waiting for visitors. So what ? Western hard workers arrived. lived in tents outside the city. drank beer. went to football. All! And so foreigners come to cheap prostitutes. wink
    2. avt
      avt 14 January 2016 10: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      . That the Ukrainian economy will rise .. In Kharkov, they will produce Abrams and Leopards, in Kiev - Boeings, in Zaporozhye - Mercedes ... I was at a loss ... What could I answer.

      Did the right thing. Not knowing the diagnosis of the mental illness of this individual and in what form it proceeds, but it is not very difficult to determine by motor skills, if it is sluggish - nothing else, but if in a violent form - any word across could cause a violent reaction. for you - a banal hysteria, but in it he could do some self-harm to himself, in which you would later be accused, but at worst - he would really throw himself, so it is difficult with such to calculate your own strength in the adequacy of the answer. I'm not kidding - I had a chance to talk in the 90s with former people disturbed by various sects with reason. A terrible sight ... Well, God did not offend his health and what skills he acquired in the USSR. laughing
      Quote: Egoza
      Well, what they told him on TV, he repeated it. Your brains are gone.

      And in Ukraine, since the time of Mashka Tsvigun, in general, there is a general feeling that not experiments are being carried out, but a change in consciousness on an industrial scale, as in Europe with multiculturalist tolerance "when, in response to the events in Cologne and in Germany and Austria in general, the Dutch" men "in the sign of solidarity was put on the skirts. In Moscow, too, a group of homosexuals was found - they took off their pants in the metro, but they seemed to be in the cops right now. What to do - in the fight against the "totalitarian psychiatry of the USSR," they made an "open day" by psychotic hospitals and dispensaries.
    3. Petrol
      Petrol 14 January 2016 12: 31 New
      +2
      parusnik _ y
      yes he is right!
      will only produce us (Slavs) there will not be, but there will be Germans or even Rumanians with Hungarians.
  10. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 14 January 2016 08: 07 New
    20
    A relative of my friends on the Maidan worked as a cooker, so she earned 80000 rubles at that rate. Made repairs in the apartment and said that she was happy like a boa constrictor. I saw that something was added to the stew (maybe psychotropics) and not an ounce of regret. The conclusion is one, the main thing. to fill my belly and do not care about my homeland. am
  11. Captain45
    Captain45 14 January 2016 08: 29 New
    13
    That's all the fraternal Slavic peoples - Russia, Ukraine, Belarus (in terms of the size of the territory) are saying, but if you stop, look back, what we see: Russia is 1991, down with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, long live democracy, Yeltsin is on a tank, everyone is clapping their hands happily , sausages will be filled up, 1993 President against parliament, shooting with tanks (the West applauds the decisiveness of the President who suppressed the red-brown coup), Chechnya, then the elections financed by the "seven bankers" and which everyone is talking about falsified, default and finally the beginning of some stabilization under Primakov, then Putin, and finally everyone is shouting that we will bend America and tear everyone apart. This is me so exaggerated.
    At this time, Ukraine was panting that it was independent, independent, but tinkering with itself and occasionally puffing out its cheeks either in gas or in the Black Sea Fleet. But there are no particular shocks, no changes.
    After Shushkevich, Belarus sat in Alexander Grygorich and Belarus quietly and modestly, while preserving some of the remains of the social system, he lives for himself not quarreling with anyone and trying to get a little benefit from everyone.
    So about the size of the territories, judging by them, it is Russia that should now live like Belarus, because as the Gorodnichy said, “you can ride for at least three years, you won't reach any state” (c) NV Gogol “The Inspector General” However, in 25 years Russia has gone through so much that others cannot even dream in a nightmare, but it has resisted, has not collapsed.
    Russia chewed and spat out what is happening in Ukraine, and Ukraine now has to get drunk with a full spoon, only it will be worse for them because times have changed and what happened in our 90s will be even worse for them now. everything will work out, but not soon and not so good, and the time will not pass 25 years, as in Russia, but 30-40 years, and maybe faster, who knows, I'm not Vanga. But some parallels are visible, from my point of view. Our 1993, their 2014, we have Achalov, Barkashov, RNU, they have Tyagnibok, Turchinov, Yarosh, PS (and the same Western support for "democracy"). 1994 we have Chechnya, they are 2014 Donbass, the difference is 20 years. So they are 20 years behind, everything is ahead of them. They will have their own "seven-bank" and deflot, everything will be the same as ours and order in the end will also be. the territories of Ukraine and Belarus are smaller than Russia and the population, respectively, therefore, the processes should go faster and all this should have passed before us, but they are late by 20, and Belarus by 25-30 years. Therefore, it is not about the territories, but about the people who are They live in his mentality. So what kind of brothers are they, if they don’t think alike. The older brother has already gone through everything, and the younger ones are just starting to move, although the younger ones have always been faster than the older ones.
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 14 January 2016 11: 57 New
      +2
      With Russia in the 90s did not work out, there was no hegemon. And in the land hegemon-PS. And the Enemy was appointed official- "b" And in the 90s who was the enemy in Russia? !!
  12. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 14 January 2016 08: 39 New
    15
    Don't touch them. Let them get sick themselves and understand (if they understand).
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 January 2016 09: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Let them be ill and understand (if they understand).

      Someone already understood something ....

      The Ukrainian authorities are conducting a tough sweep among the "patriots" and "heroes of the ATO." This was written on Facebook by an employee of the punitive battalion "Kiev-2" Dmitry Tsvetkov.
      We cite his text in full, while maintaining spelling and punctuation.
      “There is a ruthless, cruel sweep!” Someone in boilers, someone with a bullet in the back of the head, someone in handcuffs and fists to death, someone in prison is rotting. Who has time - leaves. Many did not have time.
      Ukrainians, by their naivety or, most likely, by their stupidity, continue to amuse themselves that this is an interim government, that this is a transitional period, that full reform takes time ...
      Do not be stupid! This is no Rabbit, no Chocolate King. Power in the country was captured by traitors and sadists. For the sake of this power they will drown Ukraine in blood. Open your eyes! Look at the actions of ministers, prosecutors, judges, Avakov garbage. This is the NKVD of the 36 year. Ahead we have 37 ...
      If you freely write online under your name, this does not mean that you live in a democratic country, it means that while you are still in development. A special department to combat you has already been created at the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Soon your turn will come ...
      Separately, I want to appeal to volunteers who believe that they are defending Ukraine, being at the forefront, from an external enemy.
      All of you, too, are already in development. And the most active of you are caught in the rear and destroyed. Kostakov, Andrew, Forester and hundreds, thousands of other guys. You guys are in a war that isn't there! There is an anti-terrorist operation, which should be carried out by personnel security forces. But they are busy with your destruction ...
      Nobody will help you when they knock at our door at dawn! They will catch one by one. Because there are 20 times more (Ukrainian Interior Ministry, SBU, prosecutor's office) than Ukrainian soldiers in the Donbass.
      If you do not rebel now, then we will bury every third patriot. The remaining two-thirds will rot in prisons. ”
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1452516451
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 14 January 2016 10: 49 New
        +7
        That's for sure - fear has large eyes "20 times larger."
        In the ATO, according to various estimates: 50 - 000.
        The Ministry of Internal Affairs - 150, the SBU - 30, the prosecutor's office - 20, a total of about 200, 000-2 times more comes out.
        But then the arithmetic is correct: 1/3 + 2/3 - all will have to answer for crimes against their people.
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    2. LeftPers
      LeftPers 15 January 2016 08: 06 New
      +2
      As long as they themselves are ill, they will infect half of the world, so an operation, only an operation.
  13. Modest
    Modest 14 January 2016 09: 00 New
    0
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: jarome
    And someone blurt out about the backwardness of our pharmaceuticals or mechanical engineering, right away packwith a howl together, he will put the stigma of "liberasty" and announce Tolik Ryzhy as his friend.

    Do you position yourself within the "pack" or outside of it?

    over of course)
  14. Colleague
    Colleague 14 January 2016 09: 01 New
    +7
    They are friendly people - in two years the country has been destroyed !!!
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 January 2016 09: 09 New
    +4
    And I am sad that they let go of the Soviet legacy, in the form of the richest republic, the showcase of the USSR.
    Quote: Hubun
    Fig knows him, but I'm sad like that.
  16. stopkran
    stopkran 14 January 2016 09: 12 New
    10
    From the bowels of the network:
    Hymn of Ukraine (current option)

    Everything, Ukraine has died i glory, i will ...
    Before us, in panoe, Share turned.
    Silently please us from Rosіy, like grow on Sontsy,
    Tilki khari galitsiyskі looming in vіkontsі.

    Soul th tylo vidamo mi for Eurocredit ...
    Tіlki groshchі tі, as if wait, pick up the bandit.

    Stanmo, brother, with cancer all the way to the European Union,
    Having cooked quietly, that p_dmivshi goose ...
    Do not beat my nikoli ni Donbas, nima Krima,
    Ta i i Kharkiv, i Odessa passed by.

    Soul th tylo vidamo mi for Eurocredit ...
    Tіlki groshchі tі, as if wait, pick up the bandit.

    And zavzyattya, good shira - then Fata Morgana ...
    Oh, that Europe was given to us - Shlondra Otsyadrana!
    Oh, they didn’t hear the father’s eyes that evening,
    We were not recognized as a kohanka in Europe, not a kohanka!

    Soul th tylo vidamo mi for Eurocredit ...
    Tіlki groshchі tі, ya, wait, pick up the bandit

    Olga Nexaeva
    1. castle
      castle 14 January 2016 12: 44 New
      +7
      Tee showed us Europe
      let us go to the robot.
      mi came-go dumb,
      Pidmanula-pidvela.
    2. nrex
      nrex 16 January 2016 12: 34 New
      0
      Super!!! I'll copy it for history.
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 14 January 2016 09: 46 New
    +4
    Even in peacetime I considered the Ukrainians to be smart-ass, but now their fate does not interest me.
  18. Baloo
    Baloo 14 January 2016 09: 50 New
    +4
    State, which has lost political, economic, ideological, even moral independence, will disappear. For the first time in the modern history of Europe, a banana republic appears. Sunflower Republic ...
    The whole point of what is happening.
    The FSA invested 5 lards to make a Banderkraine out of Ukraine.
    The Russian Federation has invested more than 20 lard in support of the Ukrainian industry for 200 years to help a thieving, unscrupulous and dishonest neighbor. Indeed, our business is seriously bogged down and just doesn't want to leave.
    All the same, in such countries ambassadors should be at least professional diplomats, even better military diplomats, and not laymen.
    Zurabov was a researcher for a long, long time, then moved to the department of Adamov Mosspetsstroy, in two years he made a dissertation: Automatic control systems for heating networks. And to him, the Ministry of Health. He destroyed it, almost destroyed it, until the medical community was outraged, only then was it sent to Ukraine. And there is the same thing. Karaulov in the program asks him: Tell me, did your predecessor Shevchenko spent a third of the budget of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation on one single hospital in Moscow - is he a criminal? Zurabov: Imagine that you are in a compartment on the lower shelf telling everyone what a beautiful landscape outside the window. Are you sure that the upper shelves will want to listen to you. And the story of how 4 hectares with a forest in the water protection zone, after Mitvol's statement to the prosecutor's office before the trial, was transferred to other lands, i.e. legalized and the court was not needed, about it already somehow forgotten. Who can the Zurabovs work in the circus, besides the ringmaster?
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 14 January 2016 09: 58 New
    +4
    Worse than war: flu walks across Ukraine with a scythe in hand
    Honestly, I did not want to write on this topic. Because even so, I am more often invited to Russian television as the one who writes about epidemics and American bio-laboratories than as an economist or political scientist.
    But, apparently, still have to write. Because I myself write from all over Ukraine. They write from Odessa, they write from Vinnitsa, they write from Kharkov and from Volhynia. Ordinary people write and write informed physicians.
    In Vinnitsa, the day before yesterday, 7 corpses from influenza, yesterday their number increased to 25. In Odessa, the number of people killed in 28 is called. In Kramatorsk alone, 15 victims of the epidemic. In other cities, the situation is similar. The APU also speaks of a minimum of 15 dead.
    I will give one more message from Odessa entirely:
    “Publish, please. We do not know whom to turn to. In Odessa, 3 people died of H2N223 flu and pneumonia in a month. The media are silent, it’s worse than a war, with that pace all of Odessa will die out. Data from funeral agencies: most of them are men aged 40 – 60 years.
    They are buried in closed coffins, the Odessa City Hall allocated thousands of hryvnias for the services of the 976 crematorium. Help Odessa residents not to die. "
    According to reports from the field, clinics are crammed. High fever that does not interfere with conventional medications. People burn out in two days.
    The epidemiological threshold, apparently, has long been passed. Doctors write that in some hospitals they independently declare quarantine, resuscitation in a number of cities is clogged.
    Also, several doctors say that the situation is aggravated by the fact that now in Ukraine several different strains of influenza are acting at once, which complicates both diagnosis and treatment.
    According to the deputy head of the parliamentary committee on health, people's deputy Irina Sysoenko, published on Facebook, in Ukraine in all regions the incidence of influenza H1N1 is increasing. The largest number of deaths is observed in Vinnitsa, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev and the Kiev region. She also writes that today 5,7% of the entire population of the country fell ill with the flu, of which 70% are children and pregnant women.
    And yes, for a minute, Kharkov and Odessa are the places where the Americans posted their bio labs. Just in fact.
    But the authorities are silent, they do not announce epidemiological anxiety and do not take any measures. 25 people have officially died in Ukraine in all, the "Minister of Health" Kvitashvili says that there is no flu epidemic in Ukraine. But the Ukrainian media are clogged with messages about Putin and negotiations in Minsk.
    Since the American occupation administration in Kiev doesn’t give a damn about the health of Ukrainians, we have to write about this to the “zradnik and separatist” Rogers.
    http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1452751354
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 14 January 2016 10: 07 New
      +5
      Egoza And yes, for a minute, Kharkov and Odessa are the places where the Americans have placed their biolaboratories. Just in fact.

      It was the same in Ternopil not so long ago.
      Swine fever came to the North Caucasus from the Georgian laboratory of Fashington macaques. A war has been going on against us for a long time. Only the Ukrainians will not understand in any way that they are consumables in the hands of the FSA as cannon fodder, now also as experimental animals.
      Egoza, there is no information which of the American companies has already moved to Banderkraine with their medicines and flu vaccines? (this was the case in Ternopil). hi
    2. avt
      avt 14 January 2016 13: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      High fever that is not knocked down by conventional medications. People burn out in two days.

      Well it is clear . Naturally, they die not from the flu, but from complications caused by it, it is natural that in winter - pneumonia, and this is no joke. What does not get confused by any antibiotics is the creator of penicillin, who came to America and was horrified to say what you are doing. you cannot treat everything with antibiotics for a cold, inclusive - viruses adapt. well, take into account that the same broilers are stuffed with antibiotics .... draw conclusions.
  20. Bator
    Bator 14 January 2016 10: 02 New
    +3
    The article is somehow sad. We were brothers and we still remain them, whatever one may say. And so that both sides do not "broadcast". And about agriculture: in my region there are no small agricultural producers (meat) left, all were ousted by holdings. Under the flag of the "African plague", almost all pigs in the backyards have been slaughtered and slaughtered, which is 30% of all pork produced. Speaking of lard: store-bought lard is not thicker than 2-3 fingers (it is not profitable to grow thicker). And you will go to the market there 3-4 people trade (10 years ago - all the rows were filled with villagers). Almost all of the land was bought out by large producers and private owners from the capital (in reserve) and is mostly empty. And we are here about Ukrainians.
  21. Gray 43
    Gray 43 14 January 2016 10: 09 New
    +2
    Kukarina, Kukarina .... When will you collect the new Maidan? And straight from him, to Europe, as to the front. As part of the "decommunization" campaign, it would be time to return the territories and objects donated by the Soviet government
  22. oracul
    oracul 14 January 2016 10: 12 New
    +3
    The fact that Ukraine, as a state, will remain in some form, I hope, this should be clear to any sober-minded person. The rest is emotion. I think that if there is anything to worry us, it is the presence of a third force (the United States and NATO), which is playing against Russia. Ukraine itself does not need the bacchanalia created in it, but there were those who were invited and they agreed to play Russian roulette. They managed to draw many into this risky game. Alas, this must be admitted. Today the threat of war comes from Ukraine, or rather from its government, and this must be taken into account. It doesn't matter that the army is not the same, the economy is crumbling, the country is in debt as if in silks, the psychology of a freeloader, like a highwayman, is such that he knows what can be stuffed, imprisoned, killed, but still goes to work. Suddenly it will cost and there will be not life but paradise.
  23. exSUman
    exSUman 14 January 2016 10: 40 New
    +2
    It was necessary for a long time to demolish all the factories and factories built by "quilted jackets", and instead of them erect monuments to the victims of the "Holodomor" ... be sure to paint everything around in yellow and blue colors ...
  24. Scud
    Scud 14 January 2016 11: 02 New
    +3
    Everything is relative. So if we compare the occupation or the regime of the Nazis and the current Bendery junta, then with all the hatred for the Nazis, the current Bender scum is much more disgusting. And, it's sad that a lot of people are already dying out and blame Russia for all the troubles.
  25. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 14 January 2016 11: 14 New
    +3
    They repeat like a mantra: "The end of Ukraine is coming soon" and fidget with lust on the couch. It is disgusting to read and listen. I watch TV "Russia 24", talk about the problems in Ukraine and show a store filled with groceries and a grandmother who is being packed into a cart. I draw a conclusion with the products everything is fine and there is no excitement. Ukrainian tourist died at the resort. Ukrainian citizens go on vacation abroad. Etc. What kind of collapse of the country can we talk about if no one needs it: Russia from nostalgic (or I don't understand from which) throws money, energy, etc. , and America, again, throws up money so that their so-called "patriots" stink stronger at the borders with Russia. There can be no conclusion about any breakdown of speech, there are simply some internal difficulties there. And the living conditions are not very different from ours. I think if the GDP needed to destroy Ukraine, it would have ruined it for two times.
  26. Belousov
    Belousov 14 January 2016 11: 24 New
    +2
    They will not let the Ruin die, they didn’t pour billions of dollars into it. They will keep afloat in order to constantly spoil Russia and Europe.
    1. domokl
      domokl 14 January 2016 11: 54 New
      +2
      Remained just a little bit and nothing more delicious there e will remain. here the ports will buy and that's it ... and then just a banana republic
  27. gray_angel
    gray_angel 14 January 2016 11: 42 New
    +2
    I think that it will not die ... Take, for example, the European Union, which has a neighbor through the fence, whom he does not like very much and is afraid of ... And suddenly a mad dog appears, which regularly runs along the fence on a leash and barks its neighbor. And all you need to do is feed her a little - it is impossible to refuse such an offer! And it’s not easy for a neighbor to beat a dog - around the perimeter with cameras lured witnesses from the Society for the Protection of Rabid Animals ... Yes, they will feed her for a hundred years. and the destiny of ukraine with this approach by the second Baltic states
  28. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 14 January 2016 11: 59 New
    +3
    Judging by the Balts, they, together with industry, lost a third
    population. So, one should expect that 12-15 million people will leave Ukraine.
    By the way, the same thing awaited us with the entry into the WTO. A bit of a situation
    eased the anti-sanctions. Accession to the WTO gave absolutely nothing to our
    country, because trade in raw materials does not need preferences. Therefore, we now have only
    delay, and many young promising workers will leave the country if not
    economic policy will change.
  29. wadim13
    wadim13 14 January 2016 12: 02 New
    13
    Friends! Well, do you really have nothing else to do, how to savor the troubles of Ukraine and make speeches like "the ending is already near." You make me suspect that all this gives you pleasure, which cannot be called pathological. And it turns my beloved VO into a semblance of our independent media .... Pleischner was thrown out of the window for the fifth time, but the poison still did not work. The third year of the death of the state began 404 ... Yes, we live just like you. Salary, pension - on time. The light is not turned off. They even try to raise salaries somehow. Although, at the end of the year, the salaries of state employees were raised by 20-25%, but we really became impoverished - by 2-3 times. But you, too, have slowed down the growth of well-being. The Natsiks were driven under the bench, the Tyagniboks and Yaroshes Fuhrer have not been seen for a long time, even Generalissimo Semenchenko has not appeared on the screen for a long time. Ordinary bandits-oligarchs rule. As with you too. Is not it so? ..While on both sides of the front a handful of bourgeoisies are filling their belly with dough, we are hawking more and more national ideas and gnawing at each other's throats ... You know, all this talk about the imminent collapse of Ukraine reminds me of the end of my first marriage, when leaving me wife, long and colorfully painted me my nightmarish prospects in the absence of her precious. Indeed, the forecasts were dire. Partly her wild imagination worked, partly her friends-colleagues helped her. In order not to cause envy among those present here :), I will not go into details, but simply say that everything worked out for me in the best way. Therefore, guys work on your inner problems. Then the Ukrainians will be drawn to you. Do you know why Russia suffered such a political failure in Ukraine? Because the majority of Ukrainians did not see any difference between yours and ours. Why die for a Russian oligarch, if your own has already got used to the neck. He is a bourgeois and a bourgeois in Africa. The fundamental difference is in the state system. And, unfortunately, we have one with you. And the rest is so, ideological husk - a pretext for fratricidal wars for the enthronement of another king.
    1. sds87
      sds87 14 January 2016 15: 17 New
      +6
      What are you? The Russian oligarchic needs Ukraine with all its problems like air. It is very convenient to push people together with their heads. The media in Russia were obliged to cover only the situation in Ukraine. News about Russia with all its problems is taboo. As if nothing happens in a huge country that is worth mentioning in the media. Of all the irons - Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine ... What are the bad Ukrainian oligarchs. As if Russian oligarchs are somehow different from their Ukrainian counterparts ...
      I can no longer listen to radio news: Oil is getting cheaper, the ruble is depreciating. The exchange rate of the dollar and the euro is the obligatory beginning of all news broadcasted on almost all radio stations with an interval of 15 minutes. Further, how bad it is in Ukraine, and separately in Donbass ...
      I don't hear anywhere about how the regions of Russia live. There is Moscow and Moscow Region and that's it ... Russia ends there. In numerous discussions "experts" sit and discuss the same topics, and everything about Ukraine and about when the oil price will finally rise.
      There is a massive brainwashing and chattering of the gigantic internal problems of Russia and Ukraine. The oligarchs frighten the peoples of the countries with each other.
      1. wadim13
        wadim13 14 January 2016 16: 50 New
        +9
        What are you? !!! These are your bad Russian oligarchs. And ours are the best! Yes, we for our native oligarchs who want to bite their throats! Shaw we in vain fed them for 25 years, endured, suffered, starved? In the nineties they were sitting without a salary, without electricity .... And if you want to know how they live in the Russian outback, watch our TV. They will tell you everything in detail. Recently I heard that your food cards are already being introduced. Although, in "Odnoklassniki" in the photo of friends, hungry faces are not yet visible. Looks like FSB photoshop. So, as the European integrators said to my grandfather (as many as three times during the war): "Rus, give it up !!!" ..... But in general, seriously, don't you think that the scripts on both sides are written by the same writers?
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 14 January 2016 21: 26 New
      +4
      Is it about pensions and other tugriks?
      Drop it.
      We live by building roads and spaceports - you, eating up the last remnants of the Soviet legacy. Feel the difference.
      Yes, and one of your "yaku on gilyak" is only worth it. You are offering to forget everything, only because a month ago you quietly imprisoned several of your Nazis. And the murders in Odessa? And in the Donbass? Let's not forget, don't hope.
    3. paaash
      paaash 14 January 2016 21: 43 New
      +1
      but what kind of manner you have there, to close all your eyes and to translate the arrows to Russia all the time? !!

      The article is about Ukraine.
      Two situations did not even come close: in Ukraine, they shamelessly plunder everything that was left of the USSR, and in Russia they realize problematic situations (the president personally in all his speeches) and try to move forward in many industries (even if not in all so far)
    4. paaash
      paaash 14 January 2016 21: 43 New
      0
      but what kind of manner you have there, to close all your eyes and to translate the arrows to Russia all the time? !!

      The article is about Ukraine.
      Two situations did not even come close: in Ukraine, they shamelessly plunder everything that was left of the USSR, and in Russia they realize problematic situations (the president personally in all his speeches) and try to move forward in many industries (even if not in all so far)
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 January 2016 12: 52 New
    +3
    By the way, I join wadim13.
    Ukraine is buried for a long time and without success, but she is still alive.
    And by the way, and if you look closely. then we will see
    that not only in Ukraine is sucks.
    I do not touch Russia, we are talking about abroad.
    Someone tear money from their citizens and give away to newcomers,
    somewhere the only resource from which they have income,
    falls in price with a whistle.
    All sucks, no need to stick to Ukraine alone.
  31. CONTROL
    CONTROL 14 January 2016 13: 41 New
    +7
    Yak kazav is a widespread Ukrainian Shakespeare: "... the butts are not butts - the axis of the chain! ..."
  32. mihasik
    mihasik 14 January 2016 14: 21 New
    +4
    It is no secret that before the start of the civil war in Donbass, many hectares of farmland in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions were rented by Finnish and German entrepreneurs. And all the products went to these countries.

    And what about "peremoga" or "zrada" for the Russian Federation?
    There is a tough war going on for survival, for sales markets (TATP as an example), and in addition to "side effects" in the form of "Bandera Ukraine", "Ukraine in NATO" arranged by the West, we have stupidly "squeezed out" another piece of the market. Note, a fat piece! What did the Russian Federation do not to give it up? They put Zurabov in Kiev. And who knows exactly how much the Russian Federation lost from the loss of this very market in non-"adjustable" reports?
    Output. Who is usually robbed? They rob the weak or suckers.
    And Ukraine ... well, Ukraine - will be the second Romania. Yes, it will be another colony of the West. The West, but not Russia. So what? Will it fall apart? No. They will fill us and all the CIS countries with cheap sunflower oil under some American brand, which will eventually ruin our sunflower production. And dreams of the collapse of Ukraine - "Wishlist" from the series "how to take revenge" on the poor. The West stupidly will not let its colony collapse for purely political reasons. Which, in general, is what happens.
    Something like this!
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 16 January 2016 18: 33 New
      0
      Where are you from, what kind of comparison of Ukraine with Romania you are leading, Ukraine to Romania as to the moon and to Russia as to the Sun, what indicator not to take, GDP by PPP, at par, salary or pension.
      https://www.google.ru/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&
      idim = country: RUS: CHN & hl = ru & dl = ru #! ctype = l & strail = false & bcs = d & nselm = h & met_y = ny_gd
      p_pcap_pp_cd & scale_y = lin & ind_y = false & rdim = region & idim = country: RUS: CHN: UKR: ROM & if
      dim = region & tstart = 313016400000 & tend = 1417554000000 & hl = ru & dl = ru & ind = false
  33. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 14 January 2016 19: 03 New
    +1
    Hmm, the Rubicon has been crossed, the bridges have been burned, now we are burning factories and land ...
  34. Normal ok
    Normal ok 14 January 2016 19: 05 New
    +3
    The writer says: "Simply put, Ukraine does not need small producers. The state deliberately goes to their complete destruction. If Ukraine is Europe, then agriculture should be the same." There is both truth and untruth in this statement (mildly so). It is not true that in Europe the basis of agricultural production is precisely small farms (the article claims the opposite). They are unprofitable, hence the colossal state subsidies. In Ukraine, on the contrary, colossal land and production resources are concentrated in the hands of several vertically integrated holdings. The oligarchs grabbed the land in the 90s and 00s. And they have very high profits. For example, the most expensive yacht among Ukrainian millionaires (more precisely, a complex of two yachts - one serving) worth 210 million green, belongs to Yuri Kosyuk, the owner of Myronivsky Hliboproduct (TM Nasha Ryaba). Therefore, in the new tax code, they removed the privileges, made them pay VAT :) Hence, Yaroslavna's cry on TV, from all dependent experts. The truth is that small farms are indeed going through a difficult time. But before the crisis and the peasant war, it was like cancer before Kiev.
    Further more:
    Pig farming has ended in many ways in this country

    There are no words. To write this in the era of Google :) is just stupidity.
    Afftor was even too lazy to look at profile (agricultural) sites. Here is what the "Ukrainian Club of Agricultural Business" (UCAB) writes on this topic: "The import of lard has shown an upward trend in recent years. This is due to the fact that there is a shortage of solid fat in Ukraine, which is used in the production of sausages. The vast majority of enterprises is engaged in fattening pigs of bacon breeds, because for them you can get a higher price. " That's all.
    At the same time, in 2015, Ukraine itself significantly increased the export of pork (that is, meat) and poultry (the same "Myronosvsky Hliboproduct"):
    http://www.agrotimes.net/jivotnodstvo/ukraina-za-8-mes--narastila-eksport-svinin


    i-v-5-2-raza--myasa-ptici-%E2%80%93-na-1

    Stores are stocked with Ukrainian pork. On NG, he took his neck in the Metro at a price of 82 g / kg. I take lard from friends in a village near Odessa.
    Damn, do not put cons on inspiration, you better google the topic.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 14 January 2016 21: 31 New
      +1
      Lard imports can grow only in one case - the pigs are slaughtered as it is not profitable to keep them.
  35. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 14 January 2016 20: 23 New
    +6
    It is not for nothing that there is a saying "Where the crest went, a Jew has nothing to do." She did not appear out of thin air.
    Someone jumped, killed Berkut members, someone burned people in Odessa, someone tried to destroy Donbass, someone cursed Russia (she faced it herself, unfortunately), and someone just kept silent ... That's all ...
    And I'm not sorry anymore ... Including my former relatives ...
  36. paaash
    paaash 14 January 2016 21: 32 New
    0
    Laughter through tears ...((((
  37. Dembel77
    Dembel77 14 January 2016 21: 39 New
    +1
    Or maybe the truth is enough about Ukraine - after all, it actually does not exist anymore. Let's talk about ourselves better. And so that the site contains more articles about our reality - Russian. The good or the bad doesn't matter. Let's figure it out. The main thing is to cling less to each other, because people look at us, and they probably read too. No need to swear. And with flags in nicknames, it’s also not good at all, just another reason for squabbles. Here ...
  38. shoemaker
    shoemaker 14 January 2016 21: 49 New
    +2
    That you are so upset for them. People live as they want, and do not hai.
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 January 2016 06: 56 New
      +1
      You are theoretically right. But practically? Whatever happens in Ukraine, the local population and the media necessarily connect this with Russia. already even to the fact that the Maidan organized by us agreed.
      And how then to not notice the dirt that is being thrown at us?
  39. Skakun36
    Skakun36 14 January 2016 22: 12 New
    0
    Quote: gergi
    Why not accept competent specialists of the same blood and language with us? We will easily master ten million. And even more. And we will have a hundred and sixty million. How will this harm Russia? Siberia, the Far East are emptying, the places are fertile, the Chinese or the Tajiks to settle them?

    Yes, yes, we must accept all Russians (and non-Russians) from Ukraine, together with the territory of Ukraine. You can also allow them to conquer Russia and appoint Chelyabinsk as the capital of UkroRussia.
  40. Alfizik
    Alfizik 14 January 2016 22: 34 New
    +1
    We need to give the shchenemerliks ​​an idea: they should receive the right to move for permanent residence in the country whose companies operate in their region.
    As for Yatsenyuk, he is a modern Herostratus.
  41. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 14 January 2016 23: 20 New
    +2
    Before the execution of the Russian pilot, do not forget to take off the kippah!
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  43. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 15 January 2016 00: 52 New
    0
    and let's discuss how the monkeys eat bananas at the zoo, you will be interested, so why is there such interest in these monkeys in the Kuyevskaya burgundy, and this not shaved sh ... oh mug? they are no one and call them in any way to pay attention to them, they would have put on Putin's masks and fucked each other in the ass, portraying how they would have had Putin, so I would have laughed at the killing Svidomo
  44. Balagan
    Balagan 15 January 2016 02: 29 New
    0
    Yes, they have one more thing that is not extinct - decommunization. Kavpak is already being registered as heroes of the ATO. Bandera karatals turned to the end.
  45. Mestny
    Mestny 15 January 2016 03: 38 New
    +7
    Quote: wadim13
    Friends! Well, do you really have nothing else to do, how to savor the troubles of Ukraine and make speeches like "the ending is near." You make me suspect that all this gives you pleasure that cannot but be called pathological.

    Friend! Ukraine relishes with pleasure the problems of Russia, and at the same time you want to forbid us at least to pay you in the same coin?
    Just think, some of us enjoy it! Horrible! And most importantly - for what?
    However, something I have not heard that in Russia parties were held from the series "kill a Ukrainian", or a cake in the form of a baby was eaten with patriotic shouts.
    And you - quite yourself.
    Yes, for one thing, the buns shine for you are not at all the same as what you are reading here.
    Well, someone was happy, quite understandable. And some compassionate ones, they even regret it. They talk nonsense about the fraternal people.
    Although personally I am sure - this "brotherly people" with pleasure in the overwhelming majority would jump with happiness if Russia were covered with anything, together with everyone, old people and babies (see patriotic Ukrainian parties in the media).
    So use the boundless Russian patience and pray that it doesn't end.
    Friends, damn it ...
  46. jonht
    jonht 15 January 2016 06: 39 New
    0
    Sometimes I read and think how many economists and politicians disappear on the forums .... But in real life, how many made fateful decisions that would not affect them personally, but large groups of people? Yes, they also understood that when making a bad but correct decision, they at least save something ... In fact, everyone wants to drive with their hands, especially if everything is in chocolate, no one wants to be responsible for the decisions made, and even unpopular decisions ... In order for something to change in our country, it is necessary to change the tsarist-Soviet approaches to leadership, this does not mean drawing from the western ones, but forming new ones, trimming them with the best in world experience.
  47. Zapp brannigan
    Zapp brannigan 15 January 2016 07: 49 New
    +2
    For that fought for it and ran !
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 15 January 2016 16: 48 New
      +1
      What a pancake they were trying to get it! Received so let them be happy! bully
  48. zampolit341
    zampolit341 15 January 2016 08: 45 New
    +1
    Their example is science to others. History is always repeating itself, the spiral of time.
    I hope that there are no traitors among our leadership and everything will work out.
  49. valerei
    valerei 15 January 2016 19: 19 New
    +2
    Everything and everything about politics, but what about fat? Have you noticed that lard on the market is more expensive than meat? And why? But because the westernization of, in this case, pig breeding has worn out our pig breeds! The very ones whose meat is equally tasty in the soup and in the chop, and the bacon could be spread on bread! And the western breeds of pigs, on which Russia is firmly and forever addicted, are not pigs, but, you see, "bacon", but the lard from them is like rubber. The West calls, through ignorance or stupidity, fat "fat"! They call our first-class snack "fat" and consider it unhealthy, for their health, and at the same time for ours, Russian and Ukrainian! So, fat lies in the palm of your hand, at a cosmic price, and whose is it? Probably from the remnants of households and small farmers who are equally wanted to ruin both in Russia and in Ukraine. In this we are equal with them.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 January 2016 06: 36 New
      +1
      good Right Fat became a deficit. The complexes really grow some kind of monsters. Was last year at an agricultural exhibition. There the pig family was lying. Well, like dad, mom and pigs. So for sure, these are not pigs. This is bacon. And on the tablet it says, they reach live weight in 100 kg in 90 days ...
      The pig does not grow like that. But the meat of a quietly growing pork will beat pork, to the taste of pork, and even by sight. Lard, meat, bones .. And bacon has a centimeter or two types of lard, and then meat and bones. And it tastes rubber.
  50. Gippo
    Gippo 15 January 2016 20: 13 New
    -2
    Well yes. Here they are, poor Ukrainians. And everyone falls and falls into the abyss.
    For the second year now, everyone has been falling - and will not fall.
    It turns out that they have gas, in spite of everything, and coal and electricity.
    But we are getting richer every day. Our people live better and better.
    Prices are falling, social services are booming, doctors and teachers are cheering en masse.
    "I see a speck in someone else's eye, I don't see a log in mine."
    Friends, watch less TV and more around.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 January 2016 06: 40 New
      +1
      laughing A purely Ukrainian approach. Why talk about what is written in the article? Let’s talk about Russian old people whose pension is almost equal to the cost of living. This is called translate arrows.
      And on why they did not fall at all I will answer. Yes, simply because there is something to eat for now. But this "is" is becoming very little. Any stocks when that end.