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Israel met the Rahav submarine, which became the country's most expensive submarine

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Today in Haifa, Israeli officials met the most expensive in stories Israeli Navy submarine "Rahav" belonging to the class "Dolphin". Israeli commanders and politicians took part in the official ceremony, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Reuven Rivlin, Chief of the General Staff Gadi Ayzenkot and commander of the naval forces Rama Rotberg.


Israel met the Rahav submarine, which became the country's most expensive submarine


According to the Israeli media, the diesel-electric submarine “Rahav” for the Israeli Navy was built at the German shipyard in Kiel. For three weeks she underwent an extreme series of tests. The cost of the submarine is about 500 million dollars. This is the largest purchase at the price, if we talk about the submarines for the Israeli naval forces.

It is reported that "Rahab" is intended to perform long-range missions. What kind of "distant missions" are we talking about - the command of the Israeli navy, for obvious reasons, does not speak. The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. This remark itself, made on the air "9 channel" Israel, says that nuclear warheads at the disposal of Israel are still there, as previously mentioned by military experts.

The missiles mentioned are “Popeye” missiles, the maximum mass of which is about 200 kg.

The next submarine of the project "Dolphin" will go into service with the Israeli Navy in 2019 year. Its name is already known. This is a submarine "Dakar", which got its name in honor of another Israeli submarine, which sank in 1968 year when moving from British waters.
Photos used:
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 January 2016 20: 19 New
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    The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

    Oh! Extra said belay
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 12 January 2016 20: 24 New
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      Quote: Wiruz
      The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

      Oh! Extra said belay

      Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing! fellow
      1. bort4145
        bort4145 12 January 2016 20: 27 New
        +2
        Her name is already known. This is the Dakar submarine, which got its name in honor of another Israeli submarine that sank in 1968 during the transition from British waters.
        Armed with missiles with a nuclear warhead? Are they going to finish the old mission? I would be in place of the British oh how closely followed Israel wink
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 12 January 2016 20: 59 New
          +7
          Quote: bort4145
          I would be in place of the British oh how closely followed Israel

          So the problem is that they are watching the British!
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 40 New
          0
          Quote: bort4145
          Armed with missiles with a nuclear warhead? Are they going to finish the old mission? I would be in place of the British oh how closely followed Israel

          "Дакар" в свое время был закуплен у британцев, поэтому и шел из британских вод.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 12 January 2016 20: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: 79807420129
        that they have nothing!

        Quote: Wiruz
        Unnecessary
      3. GRAY
        GRAY 12 January 2016 20: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: 79807420129
        Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing!

        If the Israeli nuclear weapons are kept disassembled into components, a situation arises in which supporters of both points of view are equally right. wink
      4. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 20: 43 New
        +8
        Quote: 79807420129
        Quote: Wiruz
        The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

        Oh! Extra said belay

        Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing! fellow

        There is, why not.
        I have an office right on the beach, today I saw her entering the port. good
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 12 January 2016 21: 00 New
          23
          Quote: atalef
          There is, why not.

          This is dishonest, there is no balance of power in the Middle East - I am sure that from my window I can only see the old three-story panel house 1985 of the year of construction and half of the kindergarten and everything around is seen by a snowstorm.
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 21: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexej
            This is dishonest, there is no balance of power in the Middle East -

            There is .
            Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million
            It’s not clear one nuclear weapons (as they say) for a long time, It didn’t stop the Arabs from starting the 3 war and losing successfully.
            Quote: Alexej
            I’m sure that from my window I can only see the old three-story panel house built in 1985 and half of the kindergarten and everything around is seen by a snowstorm

            Blizzard laughing
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 18 New
              +8
              Quote: atalef
              Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million

              Enough to invent Jews in the world of 16 million.
              But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.
              The Institute for Policy Planning of the Jewish People, in an annual report to the government, stated that there are currently 14,2 million Jews living in the world. Considering the descendants of mixed marriages identifying themselves as Jews, this the number rises to 16,5 million - an indicator on the eve of World War IIwrites The Guardian.

              http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/Kolichestvo-evreev-mire-dostiglo-urovnya-pred
              shestvovavshego-Holokostu-87232.html
              1. atalef
                atalef 12 January 2016 21: 22 New
                -27
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Watit invent Jews in the world of 16 million.

                And Muslims 1 billion 200 million
                Quote: quilted jacket
                But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.

                Well, fear has big eyes, and Vata?
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 51 New
                  +8
                  Quote: atalef
                  And Muslims 1 billion 200 million

                  So be afraid laughing
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, fear has big eyes, and Vata?

                  Я просто предупреждаю что ВЫ можете быть везде например "прикинутся" русским как например про тебя говорят некоторые - Двух метровый гигант с большими кулаками и с виду ну прямо русский lol
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 12 January 2016 22: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Я просто предупреждаю что ВЫ можете быть везде например "прикинутся" русским как например про тебя говорят некоторые

                    They lie, I'm a Jew.
                    It’s you, an Azerbaijani, mowing Russian
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    A two-meter-tall giant with big fists and seemingly, well, straight Russian

                    Well, not 2, but 1.84, and everything else - well, in general, they say so. wink
                    1. not a Jew
                      not a Jew 12 January 2016 22: 29 New
                      10
                      Quote: atalef
                      It’s you, an Azerbaijani, mowing Russian

                      Come on, stop Alexander to bullshit to drive about a padded jacket. He is of the same origin as you.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 12 January 2016 22: 36 New
                        -6
                        Quote: not a Jew
                        Quote: atalef
                        It’s you, an Azerbaijani, mowing Russian

                        Come on, finish off Alexander, he’ll drive a poppycock about a padded jacket. He is of the same origin as you.

                        Valera, you didn’t get drunk by chance 7 look do not walk, it’s cold in Krasnoyarsk.
                      2. not a Jew
                        not a Jew 12 January 2016 22: 40 New
                        +6
                        Quote: atalef
                        Valera, you didn’t get drunk by chance 7 look do not walk, it’s cold in Krasnoyarsk.

                        So the time for drinking has passed. You are fellow tribesmen with him and don’t have to chase away that he’s an Azerbaijani. hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 12 January 2016 22: 45 New
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                        Quote: not a Jew
                        So the time for drinking has passed. You are fellow tribesmen with him and there is no need to drive away that he is Azerbaijani.

                        So take the nickname - I'm not Vatnik laughing
                        Quote: not a Jew
                        And then I was thinking, to see the coming from the end of the 80s did not pass with you

                        What are you talking about?
                      4. not a Jew
                        not a Jew 12 January 2016 22: 50 New
                        +7
                        Quote: atalef
                        So take the nickname - I'm not Vatnik

                        Oh, how it got you, tie it up with electricity to expand. For some reason, I dragged into your Jewish lures belay
                        Quote: atalef
                        What are you talking about?

                        You know better, you specialize in the grass growing near Baikonur. wink
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 12 January 2016 23: 08 New
                        -1
                        Quote: not a Jew
                        , how it got you, tie it with electricity to expand. For some reason, I dragged into your Jewish lures

                        Valera, you always had problems with logic.
                        If you say that Vatnik is a Jew, and your nickname is not a Jew, would you think of yourself or tell me?
                        Quote: not a Jew
                        You know better, you specialize in the grass growing near Baikonur.

                        I did not serve in Baikonur.
                      6. not a Jew
                        not a Jew 12 January 2016 23: 24 New
                        +4
                        Quote: atalef
                        Valera, you always had problems with logic.

                        Yes, what nafig logic can work at 4 a.m. You have come up with a complete crap with a nickname.
                        Quote: atalef

                        I did not serve in Baikonur.

                        Well, right, you jammed the jambs there several times when you came to stare at the rockets. Let's tell me what you did and where you were on November 15, 1988. repeat
                      7. atalef
                        atalef 12 January 2016 23: 27 New
                        -2
                        Quote: not a Jew
                        Quote: atalef
                        Valera, you always had problems with logic.

                        Yes, what nafig logic can work at 4 a.m. You have come up with a complete crap with a nickname.
                        Quote: atalef

                        I did not serve in Baikonur.

                        Well, right, you jammed the jambs there several times when you came to stare at the rockets. Let's tell me what you did and where you were on November 15, 1988. repeat

                        As part of the duty shift, CDKS, Evpatoria -19
                      8. not a Jew
                        not a Jew 12 January 2016 23: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef

                        As part of the duty shift, CDKS, Evpatoria -19

                        Buran was apparently being watched. By the way, you yourself said that you were sent from Crimea to Bike a couple of times.
                      9. bannik
                        bannik 13 January 2016 00: 38 New
                        +3
                        So, I had one very well-known Jew - Uncle Zyama Zusmanovsky.
                        Когда он сказал, что его представляли к званию Героя, я не поверил. Он показал газету, где был описан тот бой. Зиновий Абрамович, спросил я, а чем Вас наградили? "Я так расхерачил(это я смягчил) эту немецкую колонну, что никаких наград мне было не надо. Я был просто счастлив".
              2. bannik
                bannik 12 January 2016 22: 50 New
                +1
                Нет, ну евреи на берегу, занимаются снабжением подводного флота - это таки-да! Но нырять самим? "Не верю!"(с).
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 13 January 2016 01: 46 New
                +7
                Quote: bannik
                Нет, ну евреи на берегу, занимаются снабжением подводного флота - это таки-да! Но нырять самим? "Не верю!"

                In vain ... Hero of the Soviet Union Fisanovich Israel Ilyich - commander of the submarine M-172 (4th submarine division, submarine brigade, Northern Fleet).
                And contemporaries know how to fight.
                But I'm talking about something else.
                The first 3 units. there were diesel-electric submarines, but, starting from the 4th building, they went to nuclear submarines with VNEU. And this fundamentally changes the picture of Israel’s opposition to the Arab environment. A nuclear submarine with a vaulting head with a vigorous head (1500 km) is a weapon of guaranteed retaliation in an attack on an aggressor country. Coastal targets can be destroyed in the first sudden strike, but finding and destroying a submarine submarine with its own TTX approaching a submarine is an extremely difficult task. Remember the catastrophe of Amer with Gotland! But there the NPLs were looking for anti-submarine forces of the Atlantic fleet of users in the framework of special research exercises of the PLO!
                That's what you need to talk about, and not about whose window you can see ... yes
                (- And this ... who? - A very big man!
                - What, sitting high? - So high that Magadan is visible from the window of his office!) laughing
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      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 43 New
        0
        Quote: lopvlad
        They lie, I'm a Jew.

        I mean, are you proud that your gender is transmitted not along the male line but along the female?
        Tricky tactics, as with whom your women would not sleep, the children would still be Jews.
        I hope you are not one of these Jews?

        It seems that this is not so much the topic of the article as the article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    3. good7
      good7 13 January 2016 07: 42 New
      +1
      I completely agree now Vasily and Vatnik (part-time Mahmuds and Abdullah) have become completely evil the defending rights of oppressed Arabs! Yes, yes, those animals from which even Egypt and KSA fence separated!
  2. Inok10
    Inok10 12 January 2016 23: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Я просто предупреждаю что ВЫ можете быть везде например "прикинутся" русским как например про тебя говорят некоторые - Двух метровый гигант с большими кулаками и с виду ну прямо русский

    .. well, Klitschko also differs in mass-dimensional characteristics .. and so what ?! .. laughing
  3. good7
    good7 13 January 2016 07: 37 New
    +2
    They are 4 thousand years old. I don’t understand you. Muslims have the best places to live, and this is not enough for them, they go to Europe to rape and rob! Who are you to condemn the Israelis they have brains! They immediately realized who is who and did not rely on the will of the winners! Do you feel free in Russian in Russia? Well, take a trip to the North Caucasus or Tatarstan, otherwise you will relate to the Jewish question!
  • DarkRiver
    DarkRiver 12 January 2016 23: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: atalef

    And Muslims 1 billion 200 million
    But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.

    What is the difference how many Jews in the world? Still, to understand what these Jews are - a Jew from Morocco and a Jew from Germany have in appearance and culture as much in common as I and the Sioux Indians. One out of every two is blond with blue eyes, they came to the homeland of their ancestors and spoke in an artificial language raised from nonexistence, NATION, ears)) It is important how many dollars the US Federal Reserve has and influence too. All the welfare and security of this 51st US state in the Middle East depends solely on this.
    1. bannik
      bannik 13 January 2016 00: 12 New
      0
      That Jew - he is a Jew and a Jew in Africa!
    2. Your friend
      Your friend 13 January 2016 01: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: DarkRiver
      Quote: atalef

      And Muslims 1 billion 200 million
      But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.

      What is the difference how many Jews in the world? Still, to understand what these Jews are - a Jew from Morocco and a Jew from Germany have in appearance and culture as much in common as I and the Sioux Indians. One out of every two is blond with blue eyes, they came to the homeland of their ancestors and spoke in an artificial language raised from nonexistence, NATION, ears)) It is important how many dollars the US Federal Reserve has and influence too. All the welfare and security of this 51st US state in the Middle East depends solely on this.

      I’ll tell you, as a native. The main thing is not external, but internal, so to speak, constitution. A Jew is a state of mind.)))
  • oblako
    oblako 13 January 2016 04: 43 New
    0
    Racial (although the Semites are both), nationality and religious beliefs are different things gentlemen Jews. What is the spitch about? Are you many and what? You are 300 Spartans !!!)))
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 12 January 2016 22: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Enough to invent Jews in the world of 16 million.
    But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.


    The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the Mandel Berman Institute and the North American Jewish Data Bank in 2010 counted the Jews in the world and they got such data
    the total number of Jews in the world is 13,428,300 people. Of these, the majority live outside Israel: 7,724,600 people are dispersed Jews, while 5,703,700 are Jews living in Israel. In North America, the USA and Canada, there are almost as many Jews living as in all of Israel (5,650,000).

    1,455,900 Jews live in Europe. Of these, 297,100 live in the territory of the Soviet Union.

    In fact, you can safely multiply at least twice for these statistics took into account
    several circles of belonging - “having Jewish ancestors”, “legitimate in accordance with the law on repatriation”, “expanded core of the nation”, “core of the nation”, etc.

    So in Russia they counted 205 thousand / very little needs to be said / And according to the census - about 190. Fifty percent of Russian Jews live in Moscow, 20% live in St. Petersburg, and the rest are in cities with over one million people.

    And if you take the annual report of the Institute for Policy Planning of the Jewish people to the government, that
    14,2 million Jews currently live in the world. If we consider the descendants of mixed marriages identifying themselves as Jews, this number rises to 16,5 million - an indicator on the eve of World War II,
    According to the report, the reason for the increase is both the natural increase in the population of Israel, where 6,1 million Jews live, and an increase in the number of children who have one Jewish parent, but who position themselves as Jews. In the USA, in particular, this number reaches 59%. According to the director of the Avinoam Bar-Yosef Institute, some such cases in the United States are related to the growing popularity and respect that this people evokes.
    In addition to Israel, the largest number of Jews live in the United States - 5,7 million.



    If this data is not multiplied by three, but by at least five times judging by Moscow, by no means 200 thousand .. at least about a million, taking into account all those who somehow correspond to the above definitions of the Jewish people
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: Ascetic
      If this data is not multiplied by three, but by at least five times judging by Moscow, by no means 200 thousand .. at least about a million, taking into account all those who somehow correspond to the above definitions of the Jewish people

      Hello . Stanislav.
      Well and good, the more the better.
      1. family tree
        family tree 13 January 2016 05: 16 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Well and good, the more the better.

        How to say, what when you consider that Izya top and Evil partisan in repeat They’ve re-starred, then, the khan of Israel will be driven into debt once. wassat
    2. Hello
      Hello 12 January 2016 22: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: Ascetic
      If this data is not multiplied by three, but by at least five times judging by Moscow, by no means 200 thousand .. at least about a million, taking into account all those who somehow correspond to the above definitions of the Jewish people

      Come on you trifle million, all of Moscow is Jewish, but what is there, Moscow, all of Russia and China in addition. So learn Hebrew wassat
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 12 January 2016 23: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: Hello
        Come on you trifle million, all of Moscow is Jewish, but what is there, Moscow, all of Russia and China in addition. So learn Hebrew

        .. Shalom .. I advise you not to forget Russian, which, in principle, you demonstrate .. laughing
        1. Hello
          Hello 12 January 2016 23: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Inok10
          .. Shalom

          hi
          Quote: Inok10
          I advise you not to forget Russian, which, in principle, you demonstrate ..

          Yes, I was not going to, knowledge of the language always opens up new possibilities, and the more you know the more opportunities wink
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 12 January 2016 23: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Hello
            Yes, I was not going to, knowledge of the language always opens up new possibilities, and the more you know the more opportunities

            .. and this is the saying: .. The Jew is not a nationality, this is a profession .. laughing .. I hope no offense? .. hi
          2. Hello
            Hello 12 January 2016 23: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Inok10
            Jew is not a nationality, this is a profession

            A Jew is both nationality and religion.
            Quote: Inok10
            I hope no offense? ..

            And what is there to be offended? wink
          3. Inok10
            Inok10 12 January 2016 23: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: Hello
            A Jew is both nationality and religion.

            .. here I strongly doubt it .. how much I know the Orthodox with the Darkon, here they are Russian, here they are Jews .. laughing laughing laughing
            Quote: Hello
            And what is there to be offended?

            .. well, there are especially vulnerable ones .. sitting by me at Chernoy until he builds the promised gas pipeline from Qatar to Eilat along the bottom of the Persian Gulf .. laughing
          4. Hello
            Hello 12 January 2016 23: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Inok10
            .. here I strongly doubt it .. how much I know the Orthodox with the Darkon, here they are Russian, here they are Jews

            A Christian cannot be a Jew even if he was born, as soon as he converted to Christianity he ceased to be a Jew. Therefore, I say this and nationality and religion, with the rare exception of Tipo Karaites. hi
          5. Inok10
            Inok10 12 January 2016 23: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: Inok10
            .. here I strongly doubt it .. how much I know the Orthodox with the Darkon, here they are Russian, here they are Jews

            A Christian cannot be a Jew even if he was born, as soon as he converted to Christianity he ceased to be a Jew. Therefore, I say this and nationality and religion, with the rare exception of Tipo Karaites. hi

            .. but what about the White Church near Kiev? .. there are solid Orthodox .. were already now .. now everything is in the Historical Homeland .. well, if not Darkon, then at least there is a flood, and most of them are with lase pase .. wink hi
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 January 2016 00: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Hello
        A Jew is both nationality and religion.

        Ilya, let's clarify.
        A Jew is a nationality, and religion is Judaism! At least that was what smart professors taught me in due time. laughing
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Ilya, let's clarify.
        A Jew is a nationality, and religion is Judaism! At least that was what smart professors taught me in due time.

        They were stupid. 8)
  • Your friend
    Your friend 13 January 2016 01: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Ascetic
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Enough to invent Jews in the world of 16 million.
    But this is most likely not the case and you are three times more.


    The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the Mandel Berman Institute and the North American Jewish Data Bank in 2010 counted the Jews in the world and they got such data
    the total number of Jews in the world is 13,428,300 people. Of these, the majority live outside Israel: 7,724,600 people are dispersed Jews, while 5,703,700 are Jews living in Israel. In North America, the USA and Canada, there are almost as many Jews living as in all of Israel (5,650,000).

    1,455,900 Jews live in Europe. Of these, 297,100 live in the territory of the Soviet Union.

    In fact, you can safely multiply at least twice for these statistics took into account
    several circles of belonging - “having Jewish ancestors”, “legitimate in accordance with the law on repatriation”, “expanded core of the nation”, “core of the nation”, etc.

    So in Russia they counted 205 thousand / very little needs to be said / And according to the census - about 190. Fifty percent of Russian Jews live in Moscow, 20% live in St. Petersburg, and the rest are in cities with over one million people.

    And if you take the annual report of the Institute for Policy Planning of the Jewish people to the government, that
    14,2 million Jews currently live in the world. If we consider the descendants of mixed marriages identifying themselves as Jews, this number rises to 16,5 million - an indicator on the eve of World War II,
    According to the report, the reason for the increase is both the natural increase in the population of Israel, where 6,1 million Jews live, and an increase in the number of children who have one Jewish parent, but who position themselves as Jews. In the USA, in particular, this number reaches 59%. According to the director of the Avinoam Bar-Yosef Institute, some such cases in the United States are related to the growing popularity and respect that this people evokes.
    In addition to Israel, the largest number of Jews live in the United States - 5,7 million.



    If this data is not multiplied by three, but by at least five times judging by Moscow, by no means 200 thousand .. at least about a million, taking into account all those who somehow correspond to the above definitions of the Jewish people

    I do not believe. I was looking for Jews in Birobidzhan, not a single one was found.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 13 January 2016 05: 27 New
    +1
    In one network game, I came across real German Nazis who said that Jews are not good people. Then they started a conversation that the Chinese are bad too, and when I asked:
    -And Russian?
    They did not quite understand me correctly, for they answered this way:
    -Russian Jews are the worst (worst).
    I mean that there are far more Jews in the world, and 6, and maybe 16 million.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 12 January 2016 21: 37 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    It’s not clear one nuclear weapons (as they say) for a long time, It didn’t stop the Arabs from starting the 3 war and losing successfully.
    Arabs are exceptional gouges on the military side, besides they do not have US support, so do not be very proud of the feat.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Alexej
      Arabs are exclusive gouges on the military side,

      well, next ....
      Quote: Alexej
      besides they do not have US support

      And the support of Russia \ USSR does not count?
      Quote: Alexej
      so do not be very proud of the feat.

      Of course, you have so beautifully lowered the USSR now, what can I tell you.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 13 January 2016 00: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Of course, you have so beautifully lowered the USSR now, what can I tell you.

        Ладно вам собачиться! За другие не знаю, но в "шестидневную" евреи сделали арабов исключительно красиво. Примерно как немцы наших в 41-м. Правда СССР потом надрал гансам одно место, а арабы спеклись. Правда тут другое, что Израиль в 69-м, что СССР в 41-м дрались насмерть за право существовать, а это очень хорошая мотивация, что не отменяет факта отвратительной подготовки арабов. При шестикратном перевесе так обгадиться, это уметь надо.
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 13 January 2016 01: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        And the support of Russia


        ваша власть при одном только чихе из России "мол продадим современное ПВО в Сирию" сразу летят в Россию просить этого не делать "так-как это нарушить безопасность в регионе".
        Arabs may be worthless warriors, but modern weapons destroy targets in automatic mode and the operator only needs to press a button.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 12 January 2016 22: 12 New
    0
    Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million


    Salam. Well, the Arabs are not bothering you yet. This item of arms is rather against the Persians. But with them, Israel must be reconciled. And create a theological platform for this.
    1. Hello
      Hello 12 January 2016 22: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Asadullah
      Salam. Well, the Arabs are not bothering you yet. This item of arms is rather against the Persians. But with them, Israel must be reconciled. And create a theological platform for this.

      We were friends already until 1979, when some revolutionary comrades did not promise to destroy us. And still, by the way, they promise, and we live. hi
    2. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 35 New
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      Quote: Asadullah
      But with them, Israel must be reconciled. And create a theological platform for this.

      Hey . asadullah.
      Yes, we did not quarrel, and very peacefully lived until 1979.
      So far, Khomenai has not turned Iran into what he now has not begun to look for enemies around the world.
    3. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 12 January 2016 22: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Asadullah
      And create a theological platform for this

      let the Khamenei of Jews recognize the Shiites as in their time the Alawites, that’s the theological platform of reconciliation drinks
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 22: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: -Traveller-
        let the Khamenei Jews recognize the Shiites as in their time the Alawites,

        You probably laughed belay
        Alavites. Shiites no one ever recognized.
        1. DarkRiver
          DarkRiver 12 January 2016 23: 28 New
          +2
          Не правы оба. Алавитов("обожествляющие Али" - т.е. ка шииты) иногда действительно называют ветвью шиитов, иногда вообще выделяют как ОТДЕЛЬНУЮ религию, т.е. как например христианство или ислам вообще.
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 23: 32 New
            0
            Quote: DarkRiver
            Не правы оба. Алавитов("обожествляющие Али" - т.е. ка шииты) иногда действительно называют ветвью шиитов, иногда вообще выделяют как ОТДЕЛЬНУЮ религию, т.е. как например христианство или ислам вообще.

            The Alawites - they were never called Shiites, they generally created some kind of cocktail from Islam, Christianity and Judaism - suffice it to say that they partake of wine - what for Shiites
            1. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 12 January 2016 23: 43 New
              +1
              This is a philosophical question, i.e. abstract, Protestants for example, too, have gone far from Catholicism, and abandoned many VERY important ceremonies, and that now they are not Christians? The Alawites completely broke away from Shiism, the debate is among the theologians how far they have gone in this. Muslims, for example, venerate Isa (Jesus), and now what shall we write in Christians or what? Well, the political nuances also contribute, it is beneficial for Iran to have allies in the Middle East. in the east, and so far they will declare the Alawites - Shiites.
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: DarkRiver
              Protestants for example, too, have gone far from Catholicism, and abandoned many VERY important ceremonies, and that they are not Christians now?


              Here the criterion is simple: recognize St. Trinity is a Christian. No, sorry... So Baptists, Adventists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, etc. - Christians, but jehovahists - never, although they try to cling to themselves: in fact, they are much closer to Islam, and they can be called Muslims in broad толковании этого слова (в исламе понятие "мусульманин" может толковаться узко (последователь Мухаммеда) и широко (any monotheist - in the broad sense, these include biblical prophets, starting with ... Adam! laughing and even ... Jesus Christ! laughing laughing laughing )
            3. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 13 January 2016 01: 38 New
              +2
              Ога))Насмешили)Сколько бы религиозных войн не случилось бы, будь оно так,"троицу признаешь? Значит христианин!". Просто почитайте от каких СВЯЩЕННЫХ для католиков вещей отказались протестанты, чтобы понимать бездну пропасти между ними, к примеру таинства. Это для меня атеиста все это чушь собачья, а люди резали друг друга веками на этом основании.
            4. Weyland
              Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 47 New
              0
              Quote: DarkRiver
              Just read what Sacred things for Catholics the Protestants refused to understand the abyss of the abyss between them, for example the sacrament.


              I know that very well! Protestant for a Catholic - Christian, but at the same time heretic, and this is where worse than a stranger! That is why

              Quote: DarkRiver
              people have been slaughtering each other for centuries on this basis



            5. DarkRiver
              DarkRiver 13 January 2016 02: 05 New
              0
              Ну так о чем и речь. Сам термин "еретик" или "сектант" не предполагает принадлежности к христианству. Хотя они и верят в Троицу. Вот и с алавитами та беда, кому удобно считают их шиитами, кому нет - сектантами и кяфирами.
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    4. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 01: 01 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Alawites - never called Shiites

      this is understandable, a purely political decision to recognize them as Shiites. this is how the Soviet Union saw a communist in every African who draws a star on his forehead with the blood of an enemy eaten.
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 13 January 2016 01: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: DarkRiver
    Both are wrong

    these remnants of the Aramaeans for the last 2 thousand years have either pretended to be Christians, or they have been mowing down Muslims, as a result of the campaign they themselves are already confused. they are Muslims like Voodoo Catholics. in short, muddy characters.
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 13 January 2016 00: 57 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Alavites. Shiites no one ever recognized

    Well, Iran, as if holding them for Shiites, there were some kind of fatwas there. You won’t go far in Persian nationalism, nor in Islamic rhetoric — Saudi’s trumps are more likely to be in the hands of all Muslims, but there’s not so much Shiites, you can’t get around, especially when Azerbaijan does not participate in this clowning. you have to write at least someone in Shiites, and the Alawites there too. and the fact that they can still worship Hadad or Baal there, the main thing is not in public.
  • Hello
    Hello 12 January 2016 22: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: -Traveller-
    let the Khamenei of Jews recognize the Shiites as in their time the Alawites, that’s the theological platform of reconciliation

    Then the Ismailis Catholics, and the Wahhabis Protestants, then he will sit down and cry bitterly. tongue
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 01: 05 New
      +1
      easy, here on the site you already will not surprise anyone with the Judeo-fascists. and characters like Prokhanov communism with Orthodoxy crossed
      this is without GMO wassat
  • Inok10
    Inok10 13 January 2016 00: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: -Traveller-
    Kai Khamenei of Jews recognizes Shiites as in their time the Alawites, that’s the theological platform of reconciliation

    .. ah, the point ?! .. in Iran, according to the Constitution:
    - In addition to Islam, which is professed by the majority of the population, the Iranian constitution defines three more official religions: Christianity of all faiths, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. They are all equal before the law. And given the differences, religious minorities have additional permissions. For example, for the consumption, purchase and sale of alcohol, for raising pigs on their farms.
    .. that’s where the religion of religion is .. maybe Iran is so not pleased with that ?! .. and, like Russia with its centuries-old way of life: .. Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Paganism, and even each creature in pairs .. hi
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Inok10
      And given the differences, religious minorities have additional permissions


      And, EMNIP, reserved at least one a seat in parliament, even if their number is much less than 0,345% of the population (in the Mejlis there are 290 deputies - that is, an average of one out of 0,345% of voters)
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    3. Antanas
      Antanas 13 January 2016 03: 35 New
      +1
      Democracy is democracy, but there are many things that spoil this democracy. Well, for example, do you know that an Iranian Muslim who has abandoned Islam is facing the death penalty? I'm not talking about stoning women for adultery, public hangings on the boom of a truck crane and other such cute entertainment. Actually, there is the same theocratic regime as, say, in Saudi Arabia, only in the Shiite fashion. Radish horseradish is not much sweeter.
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  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 January 2016 00: 57 New
    -1
    Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million

    what do you have the intention of the Arabs to kill everyone? laughing Again slaves become Arabs.
    The whole problem of the Zionists is that they believe that they caught .... for the eggs. And then they begin to cry for their fate ..
    1. Antanas
      Antanas 13 January 2016 07: 28 New
      +1
      There are more than a million Arabs in Israel. And somehow no one kills them, moreover, they feel great and have absolutely all civil rights. Suggest one of them to move to their fellow believers in some neighboring Arab country - you'll find out a lot of interesting things. So it's good to carry dull nonsense about the machinations of the damned Zionists.
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 13 January 2016 00: 58 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million


    You need with yours vassals - NATO bloc! So it will come out approximately equally!
  • ded
    ded 13 January 2016 02: 56 New
    +1
    Arabs more than 800 million, us 7 million


    The rest are Ukrainians, Russians, etc., etc. ... (and so on in every nationality) There are all kinds of Valtsman, Rabinovich, Gusinsky, Mogilev, Stogramovich ...
  • good7
    good7 13 January 2016 07: 31 New
    +4
    By the way, well done Jews, freaks Arabs can seize territory only by number and terror! The main thing is your leadership sane + high morale (even women in the army) + technology! I am glad that at least someone is giving the cave people their teeth, and not flirting with them!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 12 January 2016 21: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    There is, why not.
    I have an office right on the shore, today I saw her entering the port

    It was understood that Israel allegedly did not have nuclear weapons, not submarines.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 21: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: atalef
      There is, why not.
      I have an office right on the shore, today I saw her entering the port

      It was understood that Israel allegedly did not have nuclear weapons, not submarines.

      So I'm talking about that. Of course there is, but we do not recognize.

      What for ? Ponty throw?
      We are not S. Korea.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 January 2016 21: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        So I'm talking about that. Of course there is, but we do not recognize.

        What for ? Ponty throw?
        We are not S. Korea.


        It's not about the show-off, but what? Why do not you recognize?
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 12 January 2016 22: 15 New
          +4
          It's not about the show-off, but what? Why do not you recognize?


          The point is international obligations and the UN. Israel declared its nuclear status and automatically turned into a Middle Eastern monster, threatening the poor Arabs with nuclear weapons.
        2. atalef
          atalef 13 January 2016 07: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: RUSS
          It's not about the show-off, but what? Why do not you recognize?

          That's it in the show-off and the thing.
      2. excomandante
        excomandante 12 January 2016 22: 07 New
        +2
        КНДР не "мечет понты", что за приблатненный жаргон? КНДР в соответствии с заветами Макнамары вполне умело создает образ непредсказуемого государства. Цель Кима-самого-младшего одна - обеспечить безопасность государства. П.С. Но ситуация комична - немцы строят субмарины для евреев))) Не удивлюсь, если на самом деле - бесплатно.
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 12 January 2016 22: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Of course there is

        Oh, they will bomb you Sasha, they will bomb yes someday. Well, you yourself wanted this since childhood request .
        Quote: atalef
        but we do not recognize.

        And we accidentally smile.
        Hello there! drinks
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 22: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          x, bomb you Sasha, bomb someday. Well, you yourself wanted this since childhood

          You are not an evil Partisan, you are a VERY evil Partisan laughing hi laughing
          Hi !!!!
        2. family tree
          family tree 14 January 2016 02: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          Oh, they will bomb you Sasha, they will bomb yes someday. Well, you yourself wanted this since childhood, request ...

          Yes, stay busy, or remake ...
          And so then kilovolts from above, and here ishsho bonbs belay .
          Don’t listen to him, Sanya, we are so white and fluffy, well, still a bit full, but we’re undergoing a medical examination, yes, in general, we’ll undergo everything laughing . With the coming, if you cope drinks
      4. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 January 2016 02: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        So I'm talking about that. Of course there is, but we do not recognize.

        Hello, namesake! You misinterpret your government’s policy regarding nuclear weapons.
        Golda Meir once said: "Firstly, we do not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use it."
        And secondly, The official position of the Government of Israel is not to recognize, but not to deny the existence of nuclear weapons in Tsakhal.
        Nonetheless. According to experts, Israel has about 115 nuclear weapons, weighing from 400 to 915 kg. So, we assume that Popeye can carry such a head. And this is serious!
  • IS-80
    IS-80 13 January 2016 12: 50 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    I have an office right on the beach, today I saw her entering the port.

    Here is another confirmation of the fact that office plankton are completely parasites and loafers. No to work, so they are watching the submarines in the windows. laughing
  • g1v2
    g1v2 12 January 2016 21: 26 New
    0
    Yeah. It was necessary to say that it was armed with missiles capable of carrying the products of that same textile mill. lol
  • Weyland
    Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: 79807420129
    Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing!


    А то ж! ЕМНИП, это еще Голда Меир говорила: "ЯО у нас нет! But if necessary, we will apply it!"
  • Weyland
    Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: 79807420129
    Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing!


    А то ж! ЕМНИП, это еще Голда Меир говорила: "ЯО у нас нет! But if necessary, we will apply it!"
  • Pimply
    Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: 79807420129
    Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing!

    The original article had a much more streamlined wording.

    "По данным зарубежных источников, субмарины класса "Дельфин" предоставляют ВМФ Израиля возможность нанесения ответного удара посредством имеющихся в их арсенале ракет большой дальности с ядерными боеголовками."
  • Looking Petrovich
    Looking Petrovich 12 January 2016 20: 26 New
    +9
    Nothing superfluous - everyone has already known about this a long time ago. In my opinion, I read somewhere that Israel very cunningly bought these submarines from Germany: the Germans built them and themselves allocated money to Israel to buy them. All the same, they are cunning.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 January 2016 20: 30 New
      +6
      Nothing superfluous - everyone has already known about this a long time ago. In my opinion, I read somewhere that Israel very cunningly bought these submarines from Germany: the Germans built them and themselves allocated money to Israel to buy them. All the same, they are cunning.

      Нет, ну я слышал другую версию, мол на вооружении Израиля стоят пять ПЛАРБ типа "Огайо", купленные у США вместе с ракетами "Трайден".

      Who to believe is not clear. It’s clear who not to believe - Israel laughing
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 12 January 2016 21: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Нет, ну я слышал другую версию, мол на вооружении Израиля стоят пять ПЛАРБ типа "Огайо", купленные у США вместе с ракетами "Трайден".

        If by and large, then it makes no difference. They wash their hands there, the main thing is that they are all on the same side of the barricade.
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 12 January 2016 21: 32 New
          +1
          So guys of the same blood are the chosen ones.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 12 January 2016 21: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Нет, ну я слышал другую версию, мол на вооружении Израиля стоят пять ПЛАРБ типа "Огайо", купленные у США вместе с ракетами "Трайден".


        These German diesels are equipped with Nirbhai-Popai Turbo missiles under a torpedo tubes (533 mm). They can carry the ...
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 12 January 2016 22: 46 New
          0
          get in ...
          is it not a sleevey sailor from the cartoon?
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 12 January 2016 22: 56 New
          +1
          Кстати на картинке под НАТОВской номенклатурой наша КРБД "Гранат" которая принята на воооружение в 1983г. и сейчас заменяется более современнными ракетами и даже с ней по своим характеристикам и ударной мощи Попай и рядом не стоит...А пиар судя по заметке огог-го... laughing
          About Pomegranate most fully 3K10 / C-10 Garnet - SS-N-21 SAMPSON

          Одна из первых фотографий ПЛА пр.971 AKULA (вероятно, К-284 "Акула") опубликованная в западных СМИ (Soviet Military Power 1987. США. 1987 г.)
          1. mvg
            mvg 13 January 2016 01: 37 New
            +2
            Простите, за поздний звонок... Это Щука-Б, 971 проект. А Попай в чем, собственно, "рядом" не стоит? В дальности?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 20: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Nothing superfluous - everyone has already known about this a long time ago. In my opinion, I read somewhere that Israel very cunningly bought these submarines from Germany: the Germans built them and themselves allocated money to Israel to buy them. All the same, they are cunning.

      No . During negotiations that lasted several years, Israel managed to get a 25% discount on the construction of 3 boats. It is a lot or not. Based on world practice, it’s normal. That's why he is the market. Thanks to this order, the Germans not only earned, albeit less than planned, but also saved jobs.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 12 January 2016 22: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        During negotiations that lasted several years, Israel managed to get a 25% discount on the construction of 3 boats.


        No. Aaron ... the discount was 90% as compensation for the Holocaust.

        первые две подлодки, собственно "Дельфин" и "Кит", были просто presented израильтянам после войны в Персидском заливе в 1991 году, а третья субмарина этого класса - "Возрождение" продана немцами Израилю лишь for half its value.

        But the sixth boat just went with a discount of 90%

        Let's turn to VO
        The construction of the first two submarines was fully funded by Germany, the third half, the fourth and fifth submarines one third. The contract for the construction of the sixth Dolphin class submarine was signed last year. The transaction amount is more than 600 million euros, of which Berlin is ready to allocate 135 million euros (175,8 million dollars).

        Launched fifth dolphin class submarine for the Israeli Navy.
        On the sixth boat on Bastion
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 January 2016 10: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          No. Aaron ... the discount was 90% as compensation for the Holocaust.

          Привет, не путай два разных проекта. Было две закупки по три лодки. Эти - из второй закупки. Те, про которые ты говоришь, были в качестве компенсации за участие немецких фирм (2-х, если память не изменяет) в поставках комплектующих для модернизации "Скадов", которыми обстреливали Израиль. В Германии это вызвало международный скандал, внутреннюю волну протестов, и немцы, чтобы загладить ситуацию, разрешили ее вот таким вот способом. Две лодки бесплатно, одна за полцены.
          The next generation of Dolphins was purchased at a discount, but there is more to the wholesale discount - after all, three boats were purchased at once
          Quote: Ascetic
          But the sixth boat just went with a discount of 90%

          Confused
          Quote: Ascetic
          The transaction amount is more than 600 million euros, of which Berlin is ready to allocate 135 million euros (175,8 million dollars).

          And where is the discount for the sixth boat 90 percent?
          These are two different contracts, two different types of boats.

          The first was an intermediate between 209 and 212, actually a prototype of 212 ..

          The second is further development.
    3. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 12 January 2016 21: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      All the same, they are cunning.

      Here ours would be so cunning and the people would live better.
      In fact, they are right for ourselves, ours would have something to learn from them, but the fact that our people forgive debts to everyone ... and then they give it again, but not from our own pockets.
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      Nothing superfluous - everyone has already known about this a long time ago. In my opinion, I read somewhere that Israel very cunningly bought these submarines from Germany: the Germans built them and themselves allocated money to Israel to buy them. All the same, they are cunning.

      It was about the first three boats. Only one of them was paid - and then only half. The reason was quite unpleasant for Germany - the facts of cooperation between German companies and Saddam for the modernization of the missiles that fired at Israel in 1990 during the Gulf War were revealed. After a wave of indignation in German society (there were demonstrations, etc.), Germany thus tried to make amends for the situation. For the following boats, the discount was 135 million euros - but there was already a discount for a large order (3 submarines).
  • Truth
    Truth 12 January 2016 20: 29 New
    +2
    Her name is already known. This is the Dakar submarine, which got its name in honor of another Israeli submarine that sank in 1968 during the transition from British waters.

    What can I tell you, my dear Jews ...
    Condolences over the loss of a new boat with the crew ...
    With Fate, the jokes are bad, come up with something else by the name, because next to the bottom will lie ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 20: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Truth
      With Fate, the jokes are bad, come up with something else by the name, because next to the bottom will lie ...

      Yes, it’s scary to think what will happen with “Varangian”, “Ochakov”, “Resistant”.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 33 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        But it’s scary to think that with “Varangian”, “Ochakov”, “Resistant” will be


        Killed in battle - just as heroically! А Вы как хотели, совсем без потерь? Все мы когда-нибудь умрем... "Если перед тобой есть выбор пути - выбирай тот, который ведет к смерти! (...) Те, кто не боятся смерти - умирают. Те, кто боятся - тоже умирают. Но делают они это по-разному" (Бусидо)
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    2. gray_angel
      gray_angel 12 January 2016 22: 11 New
      -1
      what do you call a yacht so it will sail ... (c)
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  • alone
    alone 12 January 2016 20: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Wiruz
    Oh! Extra said

    Everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons. Honestly, I am surprised that they still haven’t had such a submarine that was capable of firing missiles with a nuclear warhead.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 January 2016 20: 32 New
      13
      Everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons. Honestly, I am surprised that they still haven’t had such a submarine that was capable of firing missiles with a nuclear warhead.

      Everyone knows that Manya is sleeping with Vanya. But no one held a candle, and Manya and Vanya are refusing laughing
    2. mvg
      mvg 13 January 2016 01: 44 New
      0
      совсем-совсем не было? // http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?threads/%D0%9A%D0%A0-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8
      1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD
      %D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B9-%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE.559/p
      age-3
  • RUSS
    RUSS 12 January 2016 21: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: Wiruz
    The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

    Oh! Extra said belay

    Эта такой некий намек,мол "-мы конечно не ядерная держава,но ракеты способные нести ядерный заряд имеем,так что учтите....."
  • Dmitrii210
    Dmitrii210 13 January 2016 00: 10 New
    0
    Yes, let it be built for God's sake, that’s okay too. I think it’s time to stop thinking with the criteria of the USSR about fraternal and non-fraternal peoples. There is a weapon and a god with it. In the end, you need to think about your country, and for Russia dwarf Israel with a negligible amount of yao It’s not a threat at all. Yes, and for neighboring countries, if Russia is again interested in this, there will be no problems ensuring their security against nuclear weapons and other Israeli forces.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 January 2016 01: 24 New
    -3
    In 5 pieces, everything does not fit when the Arabs start drowning as promised
  • Pimply
    Pimply 13 January 2016 09: 39 New
    -2
    Quote: Wiruz
    Oh! Extra said

    And now the original article:
    По данным зарубежных источников, субмарины класса "Дельфин" предоставляют ВМФ Израиля возможность нанесения ответного удара посредством имеющихся в их арсенале ракет большой дальности с ядерными боеголовками.

    http://9tv.co.il/news/2016/01/12/220137.html
  • mixdiur
    mixdiur 12 January 2016 20: 22 New
    +1
    These and too much? Are you laughing?)
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 January 2016 20: 27 New
    0
    Ничего себе! Еще один игрок с ядерным оружием на просторах океана. Через Суэцкий канал ей не пройти, топать в Эйлат придётся вокруг Африки, поскольку не очень понятно, что такой лодке делать в Средиземном море. Тогда как из Персидского залива можно слегка "подрессировать" Иран.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 20: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Another player with nuclear weapons in the open ocean. She won’t get through the Suez Canal; she’ll have to stomp around Eilat around Africa

      Why? All boats pass the Suez Canal without any problems, aircraft carriers pass. Are there restrictions on nuclear weapons?
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 12 January 2016 21: 24 New
        +6
        Rebbe Atalef! You are a Jew squared! In your speech about the office by the sea, you said everything, but did not say anything! Amazing, though what am I talking about? That’s your country. laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 21: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: KBR109
          Rebbe Atalef! You are a Jew squared! In your speech about the office by the sea, you said everything

          Why talk. Haifa Power Station, North substation management office is located 30 meters from the sea. more precisely, just opposite the port entrance
          Power station in the upper right corner
          1. not a Jew
            not a Jew 12 January 2016 23: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Power station in the upper right corner

            Damn, even though you look under a microscope, you would have escho from Cosmos sftokal and an arrow showed the location. laughing laughing laughing
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 January 2016 10: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: not a Jew
              Damn, even though you look under a microscope, you would have escho from Cosmos sftokal and an arrow showed the location.

              Google maps to the rescue
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 13 January 2016 00: 59 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Haifa Power Station, North substation management office is located 30 meters from the sea. more precisely, just opposite the port entrance
            Power station in the upper right corner


            Hello Sasha! Isn't she?
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 20: 29 New
    +8
    The Rahav submarine became the fifth Dolphin class submarine in the IDF Navy. It is identical to the Tanin boat received last summer. And it also surpasses in its basic characteristics the first three submarines of this class: Dolphin, Leviathan and Tkuma.
    По своим параметрам "Танин" и "Раав" входят в ряд самых современных подводных лодок в мире. Эти подлодки оснащены новым комбинированным двигателем, разработанным специально по израильскому заказу и позволяющим значительно увеличить срок нахождения под водой, а также другими новейшими технологиями разработанными израильским ВПК . Шестая подводка класса "Дельфин" должна прибыть в Израиль в конце 2018 года.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 January 2016 20: 33 New
      +1
      The Rahav submarine became the fifth Dolphin class submarine in the IDF Navy. It is identical to the Tanin boat received last summer. And it also surpasses in its basic characteristics the first three submarines of this class: Dolphin, Leviathan and Tkuma.
      По своим параметрам "Танин" и "Раав" входят в ряд самых современных подводных лодок в мире. Эти подлодки оснащены новым комбинированным двигателем, разработанным специально по израильскому заказу и позволяющим значительно увеличить срок нахождения под водой, а также другими новейшими технологиями разработанными израильским ВПК . Шестая подводка класса "Дельфин" должна прибыть в Израиль в конце 2018 года.

      That's how it is. And what will Aron say about nuclear weapons? bully
  • family tree
    family tree 12 January 2016 20: 29 New
    +9
    For three weeks she passed extreme a series of tests.

    Э-э! Это наша фишка. Кста, подплав, народ суеверный, и в честь "Дакара", ну на belay
  • ibirus
    ibirus 12 January 2016 20: 29 New
    +4
    It is strange to call a boat the name of such an unsuccessful ship.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 20: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: ibirus
      It is strange to call a boat the name of such an unsuccessful ship.

      Почему неудачного? Никому же не мешает крейсер " Варяг" в составе ВМФ РФ?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 12 January 2016 20: 41 New
        +9
        Here is a little different - the Varangian fought with the obviously strongest enemy and was flooded so as not to get to the enemy.
      2. family tree
        family tree 12 January 2016 21: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Почему неудачного? Никому же не мешает крейсер " Варяг"

        Auf Deck, Kameraden, all 'auf Deck!
        Heraus zur letzten Parade!
        Der stolze Warjag ergibt sich nicht,
        Wir brauchen keine gnade!

        An den Masten die bunten Wimpel empor,
        Die klirrenden Anker gelichtet,
        In stürmischer Eil 'zum Gefechte klar
        Die blanken Geschütze gerichtet!

        Aus dem sichern Hafen hinaus in die See,
        Fürs Vaterland zu sterben
        Dort lauern die gelben teufel auf uns
        Und speien Tod und Verderben!

        Es dröhnt und kracht und donnert und zischt,
        Da trifft es uns zur Stelle;
        Es ward der Warjag, das treue Schiff,
        Zu einer brennenden Hölle!

        Rings zuckende Leiber und grauser Tod,
        Ein Ächzen, Röcheln und Stöhnen -
        Die flammen um unser schiff
        Wie feuriger Rosse Mähnen!

        Lebt wohl, Kameraden, lebt wohl, hurra!
        Hinab in die gurgelnde Tiefe!
        Wer hätte es gestern noch gedacht,
        Dass er heut 'schon da drunten schliefe!

        Kein Zeichen, kein Kreuz wird, wo wir ruh'n
        Fern von der Heimat, melden -
        Doch das Meer das rauschet auf ewig von uns,
        Von Warjag und seinen Helden!

        They were allies, and would remain if the Grand Dukes didn’t forgive the Lord for the fleet’s account, and then, debts, come on, infantry!
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka

          Aus dem sichern Hafen hinaus in die See,
          Fürs Vaterland zu sterben
          Dort lauern die gelben teufel auf uns
          Und speien Tod und Verderben!


          Ay-yai-yay, how politically incorrect! Under the USSR, this verse was never performed! laughing
          Who does not understand - here is the translation:

          From the faithful harbor we go to battle
          Towards death threatening us.
          For the motherland in the open sea we die
          Where are they waiting yellow-faced devils!
          1. family tree
            family tree 13 January 2016 04: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Weyland
            Ay-yai-yay, how politically incorrect! Under the USSR, this verse was never performed! laughing
            Who does not understand - here is the translation:

            From the faithful harbor we go to battle

            Whose is that?
            Upstairs, you comrades, everything is in place!
            The last parade is coming!
            Our proud "Varangian" does not surrender to the enemy,
            No one wants mercy!

            All pennants curl and chains rattle
            The anchors lift up
            Ready for battle guns in a row
            The sun shines ominously.

            From the marina faithful we go into battle
            Towards death threatening us
            For the motherland in the open sea we die
            Where are waiting for the yellow-headed devils!

            Whistles and rattles and rumbles around.
            Thunder guns, hissing shells,
            И стал наш бесстрашный, наш верный "Варяг"
            Like hell!

            In death agony tremble body,
            Around the roar, and smoke, and moaning,
            And the ship is engulfed in a sea of ​​fire, -
            It is time to say goodbye.

            Goodbye, comrades! With God, cheers!
            The boiling sea beneath us!
            Brothers, we didn’t think yesterday,
            What will die today under the waves!

            Neither a stone nor a cross will say where they lay down
            To the glory we are the Russian flag,
            Only the waves of the sea will glorify forever
            The heroic death of "Varyag"!
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 12 January 2016 20: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: ibirus
      It’s strange to call a boat by the name of such an unsuccessful ship

      To this we have a good saying: Everyone else..it, as he wants! The Israelites have no idea about her.
      1. family tree
        family tree 12 January 2016 21: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        The Israelites have no idea about her.

        They have. And the subfloor, a quarter of ours, well, not a quarter, but that's enough.
        Not particularly drawn, but enough for the boat request
        1. family tree
          family tree 13 January 2016 04: 48 New
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          Politicians request

          wassat
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 13 January 2016 10: 56 New
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          but enough for the boat, the politicians

          Are there political leaders in Israel? And if the politicians, then there is only one thing on the boat.
          1. family tree
            family tree 13 January 2016 19: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Are there political leaders in Israel? And if the politicians, then there is only one thing on the boat.

            Duc, and where did they go from us belay Well. who crossed, who remade, cho wassat
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 13 January 2016 10: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: ibirus
      It is strange to call a boat the name of such an unsuccessful ship.

      В составе ВМФ Израиля есть корабль "Эйлат", названный так в честь погибшего ранее крейсера.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 12 January 2016 20: 31 New
    +4
    Непонятно, почему автор использовал оборот "крайние испытания"? Это абсолютно российская примета, не употреблять слово "последний", и к израильтянам она не имеет никакого отношения. Как, впрочем и к другим странам.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 12 January 2016 20: 42 New
      +1
      Our pilots of the Second World War were called the last departure.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 12 January 2016 20: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        Our pilots of the Second World War were called the last departure

        I knew quite well the Hero of the USSR pilot-attack aircraft, his kingdom to heaven. He didn’t say that! As I understand it, it still appeared in Afghanistan. If I'm wrong, correct it. soldier
        1. family tree
          family tree 13 January 2016 05: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          If I'm wrong, correct it. soldier

          Earlier, Eugene. We even got in line, they asked who was the last one, taking into account that he was five years old, with a ruble, an anniversary, in a mittens, past the store, a couple of loaves and bring change request (damn it, from a kindergarten, they were letting go home alone and no one from the school was taking a steam bath) And the year was somewhere around 1967. I don’t know, and the guys, the trucker and the sailor, too, from childhood heard the extreme flight. The last one, he is the last one request spent both.
          But to appoint the last one, I heard this as an adult, well, as an adult, by convention, the first time shoulder straps appeared, pure as spring water drinks
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 13 January 2016 10: 53 New
            0
            Quote: perepilka
            We even got in line, they asked who is the last one,

            In the queue, that was true. But at sea, he grew up, a friend became a submarine officer, but he didn’t hear that from him. By the way, the blatota to the question of who the last / last began to respond, began to ask otherwise: Who am I going to ...?
  • liza1999
    liza1999 12 January 2016 20: 31 New
    +2
    Wow, Benny was, and Ruva was, and even Gadia and Rava! This, of course, is something ... is it really Aunt Sonya 84? And it looks like she was born yesterday !!!
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  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 12 January 2016 20: 37 New
    +6
    Jewish boat in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal aerial battle
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    2. a.hamster55
      a.hamster55 12 January 2016 21: 12 New
      0
      Какая нах Украина! Сказано ведь для " дальних миссий "- будут ходить в Kineret Sea laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 January 2016 21: 26 New
        +3
        Rahav the harlot. For such --- eye yes eye ...
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 13 January 2016 01: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Rahav the harlot


          More importantly, she also betrayed her people!
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  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 12 January 2016 20: 42 New
    +1
    Armed! Against who ? But one third of the population of Israel comes from the USSR. That's who you need to be friends with!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 12 January 2016 20: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      But one third of the population of Israel comes from the USSR. That's who you need to be friends with!

      "Чушь" это всё нет там давно уже никакой трети - наших.
      There is a state of Israel at least hostile to our country.
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 21: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: quilted jacket

        There is a state of Israel at least hostile to our country.

        no nonsense
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 25 New
          11
          Quote: atalef
          no nonsense

          Да конечно "чушь".
          Мы каждый день тут видим как ты и твои "коллеги" из Израиля позорят наше государство и президента с примкнувшими к вам "некоторыми" гражданами из нашей страны.
          Israel treats worst of all in Israel
          The prestigious sociological center Pew Research in anticipation of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg conducted a survey among residents of 38 countries about their attitude to Russia. The study involved nearly 38 thousand people. According to the results of the survey, it turned out that the worst of all are Russia in Israel.
          Among countries that have a negative attitude to Russia, Israel is listed (77% of negative assessments)
          http://www.sem40.ru/index.php?newsid=238532
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 21: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Israel treats worst of all in Israel

            Padded jacket do not distort.
            Digits Fully Drive
            The worst of us are in Poland (81%), Germany (79%), Jordan (75%), Italy and Spain (74% each), Turkey and France (73% each), in the United States (72%) and even in the favorite Russian Egypt (71%),Palestine (70%). A negative attitude prevails over a positive one in more than half of the surveyed residents of Japan (69%), Israel (68%), Ukraine (60%), Brazil (59%), Lebanon (54%), Venezuela and South Africa (51% each).

            Interestingly, I would never have thought that in Egypt and Palestine RPossia is not liked more than in Israel, and how Lebanon and Venezuela from South Africa got there - that’s the question.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 12 January 2016 22: 05 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Padded jacket do not distort.
              Digits Fully Drive

              Why did I write about the attitude of Israel towards Russia and not about the attitude of Palestine or South Africa to Russia.

              Quote: atalef
              Quote: quilted jacket

              There is a state of Israel at least hostile to our country.

              no nonsense

              Вот тебе на твоё заявление про "чушь" и ответ:
              Israel has a negative attitude to Russia - 77% of respondents
              1. atalef
                atalef 12 January 2016 22: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Why did I write about the attitude of Israel towards Russia and not about the attitude of Palestine or South Africa to Russia.

                Indeed, otherwise there will be a break in the template.
                You are here for Palestine. You are tearing Lebanon and Venezuela in the ass, and they treat Russia worse than the enemy of Israel.

                Quote: quilted jacket
                Israel has a negative attitude to Russia - 77% of respondents

                Do you have cotton with understanding of the problem?
                Quote: atalef
                Worst of all, we are treated in Poland (81%), Germany (79%), Jordan (75%), Italy and Spain (74% each), Turkey and France (73% each), and in the United States (72%) and even in Egypt, loved by the Russians (71%), Palestine (70%). A negative attitude prevails over a positive one in more than half of the respondents in Japan (69%), Israel (68%), Ukraine (60%), Brazil (59%), Lebanon (54%), Venezuela and South Africa (51% each).
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 13 January 2016 02: 08 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Digits Fully Drive


              Sorry, but with What site numbers do you have ?. I went to the site that Vatnik links to - there:
              Among the countries that negatively relate to Russia, Israel (77% of negative assessments), Jordan (70%), Turkey (66%), France, Japan and Egypt (64% each) are listed. Among Americans, 43% have a negative attitude towards Russia, and 37% are sympathetic. In Germany, 60% of respondents spoke negatively about Russia, in Italy - 56%, in Poland - 54%.

              I went to the original, http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/03/global-opinion-of-russia-mixed/ - the same numbers. Another thing is that some dubious figures ... целых 64% египтян и всего 54% поляков, не говоря уж про 43% американцев? А максимальное соотношение "плюсов" к "минусам" - в Малайзии, Гане и Сенегале? Отпад...
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 13 January 2016 02: 20 New
                -1
                Quote: Weyland
                Quote: atalef
                Digits Fully Drive


                Sorry, but with What site numbers do you have ?. I went to the site that Vatnik links to - there:
                Among the countries that negatively relate to Russia, Israel (77% of negative assessments), Jordan (70%), Turkey (66%), France, Japan and Egypt (64% each) are listed. Among Americans, 43% have a negative attitude towards Russia, and 37% are sympathetic. In Germany, 60% of respondents spoke negatively about Russia, in Italy - 56%, in Poland - 54%.

                I went to the original, http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/03/global-opinion-of-russia-mixed/ - the same numbers. Another thing is that some dubious figures ... целых 64% египтян и всего 54% поляков, не говоря уж про 43% американцев? А максимальное соотношение "плюсов" к "минусам" - в Малайзии, Гане и Сенегале? Отпад...

                Do not pay attention. This gentleman with tsiferki and understanding them sometimes has problems.)))
                Cool comments under the article, as if in line with the statements of Vatnik.)
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 13 January 2016 10: 56 New
                -1
                Quote: Weyland
                Зашел на оригинал, http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/03/global-opinion-of-russia-mixed/ - те же цифры. Другое дело, что сомнительные какие-то цифры... целых 64% египтян и всего 54% поляков, не говоря уж про 43% американцев? А максимальное соотношение "плюсов" к "минусам" - в Малайзии, Гане и Сенегале? Отпад..


                http://www.ng.ru/politics/2014-08-21/3_sociology.html
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            4. IS-80
              IS-80 13 January 2016 13: 08 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Interestingly, I would never have thought that in Egypt and Palestine RPossia is not liked more than in Israel, and how Lebanon and Venezuela from South Africa got there - that’s the question.

              There is another interesting thing. So I look at these statistics and something somehow involuntarily raises the question if they don’t like us like that anywhere else so can we Russians and Jews be the same people? Fortunately, there was already an article about Russian Jerusalem. These are the things Shalom Orthodox. laughing
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 12 January 2016 21: 36 New
        +9
        I agree and plus ... I constantly read articles in Komsomolskaya Pravda ... I don’t know why, but on my phone (on my computer there isn’t any) the place where the comment is sent comes out .... so the Ukrainians are in the first place, the Jews are disgusting in the second and hate us. For me, it’s a mystery why Russian Jews living in Haifa, for example, denigrate their former homeland ...
        1. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 12 January 2016 21: 58 New
          +3
          are they from longing hi
  • Coconut
    Coconut 12 January 2016 20: 50 New
    +1
    Apparently they got so mattresses that they had to be bought by nuclear submarines am and long-range travel is needed to crawl up to the mattresses bully
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 20: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz

    That's how it is. And what will Aron say about nuclear weapons? bully

    Я знаю? Но в начале года на Israel Defence опубликовали статью о "Иерихон-3".
    Испытана была 17.08.08, в том же году принята на вооружение. Количество " значительное".
    3-stage, solid fuel.
    Length - 15.5 m
    Diameter - 1.56 m
    Weight - 30 tons.
    The mass of the loaded load is 1.0-1.3 tons.
    Warhead - a monoblock of 750 kg or 2-3 blocks of lesser weight of individual guidance.
    Дальность - 4,800 - 11,000 км в зависимости от БЧ. Так, с БЧ до 1 тонны обеспечивается покрытие всего Ближнего Востока, с 350-кг "достигается дальность намного больше максимальной"
    .
     
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 12 January 2016 20: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Range - 4,800 - 11,000 km

      Why do you need missiles with such a range?
      Who are you going to beat?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 January 2016 21: 28 New
        +4
        What if samurai attack the Jewish Autonomous Region. They are going to beat Tokyo, of course.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 12 January 2016 20: 51 New
    10
    Who would have thought in 1941 that Germany would build submarines for Jews. request
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 12 January 2016 21: 05 New
      +3
      No, who would have thought in 41 that Israel would have boats in Germany BUY.
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 12 January 2016 21: 07 New
        +7
        Who would have thought in 1941 that there would be such a state of Israel.
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 12 January 2016 23: 48 New
          +1
          Who would have thought in 1941 that Germany would build submarines for Jews. request

          Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
          Who would have thought in 1941 that there would be such a state of Israel.

          Jews
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    2. liza1999
      liza1999 12 January 2016 21: 08 New
      +2
      Кто мог подумать, что Германия их после войны будет к себе зазывать, кормить, лелеять и на каждый чих ,,здравствовать". Ну а там и дальше пошло: понабежали их же родственники из тех же краев. Корми, пои, плати, не выступай против. Интересно, как бы реагировал недоброй памяти Алойзич на наплыв таких ,,гостей"?
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 21: 29 New
        -4
        Quote: liza1999
        то мог подумать, что Германия их после войны будет к себе зазывать, кормить, лелеять и на каждый чих ,,здравствовать". Ну а там и дальше пошло: понабежали их же родственники из тех же краев. Корми, пои, плати, не выступай против

        k. According to official figures, lives in Germany 118 Jews, which, as in Russia, makes up only 0,14% of the country's population.

        for 2015, 3 immigrants from the USSR and the CIS live in Germany.

        In the run.
        1. liza1999
          liza1999 12 January 2016 22: 53 New
          0
          And you did not catch. Other Arabs ran it, they are also relatives ... Or is something wrong? Well then, I apologize!
    3. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 12 January 2016 21: 40 New
      -1
      and Israel for the UAV Germans ...
      http://news.rambler.ru/world/32444183/?track=topic_newslist
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 20: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Yak28
    Who would have thought in 1941 that Germany would build submarines for Jews. request

    And hundreds of thousands of Russians annually visit Germany on a friendly visit.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 January 2016 21: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And hundreds of thousands of Russians annually visit Germany on a friendly visit.

      The visit is purely for reconnaissance.)
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 12 January 2016 21: 42 New
        -2
        in auto markets and malls?
        1. ultra
          ultra 12 January 2016 22: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          in auto markets and malls?

          Not relevant, customs duties are high.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And hundreds of thousands of Russians annually visit Germany on a friendly visit.

      Ну мы же не кричим на каждом "шагу" про Холокост и так далее smile
      А вот вы этой темой очень любите "по спекулировать".
    3. Yak28
      Yak28 12 January 2016 21: 38 New
      +7
      Maybe in 10-15 years Germany will turn black, and the Germans will not come to Russia with a friendly visit to us, but for permanent residence wink
      1. liza1999
        liza1999 12 January 2016 22: 59 New
        0
        Да, может. Но контроль нужен строгий. Проверка ориентации обязательна. Орать будут! Но об'яснять, что вы не в гейропе.Или-или...
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 12 January 2016 23: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: liza1999
          Да, может. Но контроль нужен строгий. Проверка ориентации обязательна. Орать будут! Но об'яснять, что вы не в гейропе.Или-или...

          And only with machine tools and whole plants)))
    4. shuhartred
      shuhartred 13 January 2016 01: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And hundreds of thousands of Russians annually visit Germany on a friendly visit.

      Well, Russia defeated Germany, so we can afford any attitude. Personally, I will not go, if only by order and on the tank.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 January 2016 21: 02 New
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    DPRK under sanctions; Iran is still under sanctions ... And where are the sanctions against Israel’s illegal nuclear armament? For example, let’s say that everyone knows about Israeli bombs. But it is also known that Israel is on the counter with Iran. Purely for the sake of justice, and also given the general aggressiveness of Israel, it would not be bad to take bombs from Israel, too.

    Or how? If a jacked friend of the striped Sherkhan (paper, according to China laughing ), then everything is possible for him? In general, in the Middle East, no one should be given nuclear weapons.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      In general, in the Middle East, no one should be given nuclear weapons at all.

      Moreover, one cannot give nuclear weapons to such an aggressive regime as the Israeli one.
      "Ядерная дубинка" в его руках это угроза всему Востока да что уж там - всему миру.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: article
        The cost of the submarine is about $ 500 million

        By the way, why is it so expensive?
        Again all the shekels in your pockets? laughing
        More than two-thirds of Israelis consider Israel a corrupt state
        Более двух третей израильтян — 72% — считают Израиль коррумпированным государством, а четверть из них назвали еврейское государство "очень коррумпированным".
        http://9tv.co.il/news/2016/01/08/219928.html
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 January 2016 21: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: article
          The cost of the submarine is about $ 500 million

          By the way, why is it so expensive?
          Again all the shekels in your pockets? laughing
          More than two-thirds of Israelis consider Israel a corrupt state
          Более двух третей израильтян — 72% — считают Израиль коррумпированным государством, а четверть из них назвали еврейское государство "очень коррумпированным".
          http://9tv.co.il/news/2016/01/08/219928.html

          What is the relation of the problem of Israeli corruption to the topic stated in the title?
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 12 January 2016 22: 13 New
            +7
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            What is the relation of the problem of Israeli corruption to the topic stated in the title?

            How does it relate?
            The money spent on submarines was stolen by Israeli corruption officials because it is so expensive. After all, do you know the old Jewish wisdom about how to properly share something?
            - Monya, let's say you have six apples, half of which you gave to Abram. How many apples do you have left?
            - Five and a half.
            lol
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 12 January 2016 23: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Five and a half.


              But for that I’ll plus - I earned it, baby! laughing
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          2. Hello
            Hello 12 January 2016 22: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi

            What is the relation of the problem of Israeli corruption to the topic stated in the title?

            The padded jacket is very worried about Israel, corruption does not bother him, for some reason it is in Israel. wassat
        2. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 21: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Более двух третей израильтян — 72% — считают Израиль коррумпированным государством, а четверть из них назвали еврейское государство "очень коррумпированным"

          Of course, in our country prime ministers are sent to prison. And presidents and ministers - for theft.
          They don’t plant in Russia - that means there is no corruption.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Of course, in our country the prime ministers are sent to prison. And the presidents and ministers - for theft.

            So you, the former president, seems to be sitting for repeated rape.
            The Israeli Supreme Court upheld the decision of the Tel Aviv District Court, which sentenced former President Moshe Katsav for rape
            http://maxpark.com/community/25/content/841077
            And the prime minister and the thief still traded the land and the Palestinian temporarily occupied by Israel smile
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 22: 18 New
              -1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              The Israeli Supreme Court upheld the decision of the Tel Aviv District Court, which sentenced former President Moshe Katsav for rape

              Well, it’s sitting
              Quote: quilted jacket
              And the prime minister and the thief still traded the land and the Palestinian temporarily occupied by Israel

              do not lie.
            2. not a Jew
              not a Jew 12 January 2016 22: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              So you, the former president, seems to be sitting for repeated rape.

              You better take an interest that our president, that is, a Chekist, said about the arrest of the Israeli sexual aggressor Katsav.
              1. atalef
                atalef 12 January 2016 23: 07 New
                0
                Quote: not a Jew
                said about the arrest of Israeli Israeli sexual aggressor Katsav.

                normally said so, envied laughing
                1. not a Jew
                  not a Jew 12 January 2016 23: 19 New
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: not a Jew
                  said about the arrest of Israeli Israeli sexual aggressor Katsav.

                  normally said so, envied laughing

                  I found someone to envy, a 60-year-old elder. wassat
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 12 January 2016 21: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Of course, in our country the prime ministers are sent to prison. And the presidents and ministers - for theft.

            Yes, you have absolutely no power there. laughing If it is possible to steal (in a capitalist society of consumers), then no landings will help get rid of corruption.
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 22: 20 New
              -2
              Quote: Alexej
              Yes, you have absolutely no power there. If you can steal

              When you are the mayor of Jerusalem (then he was not yet the prime minister) why not get 15 tons of bucks - a rollback for a building permit.
              And it will sit down.
              For you, of course, these are ridiculous amounts, well, we are a small country. laughing
              1. not a Jew
                not a Jew 13 January 2016 00: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                Well, we are a small country

                But stink from you little country around the world, as if comparable in population to the Chinese and the size of Russia ............ smile
        3. Oleg7700
          Oleg7700 12 January 2016 21: 55 New
          +1
          Как всегда с ценой путаница, кто во что горазд в СМИ... Цена предыдущей однотипной "Танин", официально озвученная правительством Германии, без "копеек", 600 миллионов евро!(какие доллары в Германии). 30% (180 мн.) немецкий вклад в создание миллионов своих счастливых избирателей (с семьями) занятых в судостроении и десятках смежных отраслей. Остальные-Израиль, со сроком возврата 10 лет, под гарантии немецких Коммерсбанк, Дойчебанк и Баварский народный банк. В строящейся "Дакар" вклад немцев 135 мн. евро. По некоторым сведениям она будет ещё дороже...
      2. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 21: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Moreover, one cannot give nuclear weapons to such an aggressive regime as the Israeli one.

        To give? Try to pick up laughing
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Ядерная дубинка" в его руках это угроза всему Востока да что уж там - всему миру.

        The whole universe and especially S. Korea laughing
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 12 January 2016 21: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Try to pick up

          Yes, no one will take anything from you for a long time. It’s clear to everyone that even the United States is unpredictable and your regime can begin to launch indiscriminate nuclear strikes against all neighboring countries in case of danger.
          Quote: atalef
          The whole universe and especially S. Korea

          И ей тоже ваша страна это "угроза" существованию жизни на земле судя по вашей оккупации Палестины и бомбежках Газы.
    2. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      DPRK under sanctions; Iran is still under sanctions ... And where are the sanctions against Israel’s illegal nuclear armament?

      And why is it not legal in Israel? Is Israel Signing a Non-Proliferation Treaty?
      Quote: Gormengast
      For example, let’s say that everyone knows about Israeli bombs. But it is also known that Israel is on the counter with Iran. Purely for the sake of justice, and also given the general aggressiveness of Israel, it would not be bad to take bombs from Israel, too.

      On what basis?

      Quote: Gormengast
      In general, in the Middle East, no one should be given nuclear weapons.

      And give someone?
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 12 January 2016 21: 22 New
        +3
        And why is it not legal in Israel? Is Israel Signing a Non-Proliferation Treaty?


        The DPRK also withdrew its signature, which in no way prevents it from being authorized. Just one country is the enemy of the United States, and the other is a friend; that is the difference.

        On what basis?


        On the same basis on which Iran was pressed - like, aggressive like that. Israel has comprehensive US military guarantees; what else does he need? Why does he need nuclear weapons? Or does the US not believe it either?
        1. MACCABI-TLV
          MACCABI-TLV 12 January 2016 21: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Gormengast
          DPRK too

          what does the same mean? Israel did not sign anything at all.
          1. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 12 January 2016 22: 02 New
            +2
            Also is not a party to the contract. With regard to the DPRK, this is of no interest to anyone; and in against Israel-not interested, but the presence of nuclear weapons.
        2. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 22: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: Gormengast
          DPRK also withdrew its signature, which by no means interferes with authorizing it

          No, it first violated its obligations under the NPT, and then when it developed, it withdrew.
          Signed a contract. received a research reactor, personnel training and secretly deceiving everyone developed nuclear weapons .--- for that and under sanctions.
          Israel never signed, and therefore did not violate anything.

          Quote: Gormengast
          Just one country is the enemy of the United States, and the other is a friend; that is the difference.

          Yes ? It’s strange, why did Russia impose the same sanctions on S. Korea and never proposed to impose sanctions against Israel?
          Quote: Gormengast
          On the same basis on which Iran was pressed - like, aggressive

          On the grounds that he signed the NPT. And Russia, among other things, imposed sanctions on him

          Quote: Gormengast
          Israel has comprehensive US military guarantees; what else does he need?

          HA. ha - in Ukraine they had the same thing - from the USA, Russia and Great Britain --- and where is Crimea now laughing
          Quote: Gormengast
          Why does he need nuclear weapons? Or does the US not believe it either?

          We only believe in ourselves. And you ?
          1. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 12 January 2016 22: 48 New
            +3
            for that and under sanctions.


            Well, suppose, and Israel did not openly build anything; all by fraud; and bought uranium by deceit, on the black market (in connection with which the objection is not very effective). Although, in fairness, it should, at a minimum, authorize the USA, Germany and France - for the sale of uranium and for participation in the construction peaceful nuclear facilities.

            Yes ? It’s strange, why did Russia impose the same sanctions on S. Korea and never proposed to impose sanctions against Israel?


            By the way, it amazes me most. Not that the sanctions imposed; I think, within the framework of the NPT, this is fair (by the way, Russia did not support other sanctions against the DPRK). I just think that in order to avoid fraud it was necessary to vote in a package - to authorize all violators of the non-proliferation regime; so that there are no good and bad.

            in Ukraine they were the same - from the USA, Russia and Great Britain --- and where is Crimea now


            I think the situations are still different. The United States did not come to you, and the native Israeli Khameini laughing didn’t sit on the throne?
            The USSR, no matter how great it was, participated indirectly in the Arab wars; Israel was not directly threatened. And then the United States got into Ukraine, which (unlike Israel) did not give a damn about it.

            Я, вообще, сугубо за одинаковый подход. Про Крым разговаривать не буду, пока Косово не будет возвращено "in former condition" и пока не будут оживлены Каддафи и Хуссейн. Everything should be the same. And about nuclear weapons - it should either punish all violators of the regime, or cancel the regime altogether, and urgently arm and get out! И так во всех вопросах. Пусть мне западенцы объяснят чем сирийские "оппозиционеры", сиречь террористы, отличаются от граждан ЛДНР - вот когда объяснят, тогда я их и буду слушать. Почему в США больше заключенных, чем в России, в разы, и тем не менее - там якобы демократия, а у нас её нет. Почему коктейль из антикоммунизма, социального популизма, милитаризма, агрессивных войн, и теории исключительности в одних случаях считается фашизмом, а в других (Украина, США) - не считается.
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 23: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Gormengast
              y, let’s say, and Israel did not openly build anything; all by fraud;

              Why deceived 7 who cheated?
              Quote: Gormengast
              By the way, it amazes me

              The template is tearing, huh? Because in international relations (legal) agitation does not work.
              Quote: Gormengast
              I just think that in order to avoid fraud it was necessary to vote in a package - to authorize all violators of the non-proliferation regime; so that there are no good and bad.

              Here I am for it, for which Ran was under sanctions.
              I have a fundamental question: is it possible to hang child support if you do not have children and you are not married?
              Or a fine (in Arbitration) for violating a contract that you did not sign?
              Quote: Gormengast
              I think the situations are still different. The USA did not come to you and the native Israeli Khameini did not put on a throne?

              Yes, we do not care, or on this basis, should we believe them?

              Quote: Gormengast
              The USSR, no matter how great it was, participated indirectly in the Arab wars; Israel was not directly threatened.

              And how did the USA participate?
              By the way, about not threatened, would not threaten. Sharon’s tanks would have been rolling around Cairo long ago.
              And Damascus is the same
              Quote: Gormengast
              Я, вообще, сугубо за одинаковый подход. Про Крым разговаривать не буду, пока Косово не будет возвращено "в прежнее состояние" и пока не будут оживлены Каддафи и Хуссейн

              Well then, there really is nothing to talk about. more precisely, nobody will talk to you

              Quote: Gormengast
              Пусть мне западенцы объяснят чем сирийские "оппозиционеры", сиречь террористы, отличаются от граждан ЛДНР - вот когда объяснят, тогда я их и буду слушать.

              Nothing. the same eggs - only in profile.
              only Assad in this case is a cool guy. and Poroshenko is a fascist (do you want to say that?)
              Quote: Gormengast
              Why are there more prisoners in the US than in Russia at times, and yet - there is supposedly democracy there, but we don’t have it

              There is a larger population. and the Serdyukovs are sitting the same
              Quote: Gormengast
              Why is a cocktail of anti-communism, social populism, militarism, aggressive wars, and the theory of exclusivity in some cases considered fascism, and in others (Ukraine, USA) - not considered.

              fascism?
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 13 January 2016 11: 19 New
                0
                Насчёт "Сердюковых" в США - приведите пожалуйста примеры? А за коррупцию - знаете почему Россию "шпыняют" по этой теме по всему свету? Да потому что, у нас все и всё на виду. Да, воруют - откаты, распилы и т.д. Сажают не так много, согласен. У нас по крайней мере в одиночках, без суда и следствия годами не сидят как в США, где демократия демократичней? За коррупцию в США - поясните пожалуйста, а лоббисткие конторы - это такие добрые дяденьки, которые оказывают услуги за просто так? А интересы Израиля эти конторы защищали? Уважаемые, так это ОТКРЫТАЯ ФОРМА КОРУПЦИИ, которой прибегают и власть предержащие и из вашей страны. Так у кого демократия демократичней и коррупции больше? "Нечего на зеркало пенять, если рожа крива".
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 12 January 2016 21: 27 New
      -1
      Gormengast:
      And where are the sanctions against Israel’s illegal nuclear weapons?


      Is there really some kind of Commission which gives countries permission to carry nuclear weapons?
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 12 January 2016 21: 35 New
        +3
        Нет ни одного законного способа приобретения ЯО; потому что под контролем не только оно, но и любые компоненты для его производства. А "commission" - МАГАТЭ.

        Otherwise, why is anyone interested in the number of gas centrifuges in Iran? They do not necessarily produce weapons-grade uranium, but they must be produced to produce them..

        Why are nuclear power plants in North Korea closely monitored? Why was she forced to temporarily close? Then, when the mattresses did not fulfill their obligations to build two nuclear power plants that were not capable of producing nuclear weapons components, they launched it back.

        The global unspoken law states: any country that does something suspicious from the point of view of creating nuclear weapons immediately falls under sanctions.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 12 January 2016 22: 07 New
          +2
          Well, France helped build the textile mill in Dimon, and the United States has long been in the know, what kind of sanctions would it be if 2 members of the Security Council were in the know about the project? wink Правда после крушения режима в ЮАР израилю текстиль испытывать негде , но мало ли в мире стран которые готовы предоставить свою территорию для испытаний за мани? Вот интересно , кстати , где уран для "текстиля " покупают?
          1. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 12 January 2016 22: 18 New
            0
            Now there is such control that not only Israel, but any tester will be immediately discovered. Another thing is if everyone together closes their eyes.

            The US position does not surprise me, but the behavior of French friends at one time, and, by the way, the USSR, too, amazes me. Like uranium merchants.
          2. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 22: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: g1v2
            Well, a textile mill in Dimon helped France build

            The first reactor, but ..... then the NPT still did not exist at all, but France for this received from Israel cheap technology for the production of heavy water.
            Quote: g1v2
            , and the United States has long been in the know, what kind of sanctions are it if 2 members of the Security Council were in the know about the project?

            Do not understand . when France sold us the first reactor (then Israel itself modernized it) --- The NPT did not exist at all.
            Quote: g1v2
            True, after the collapse of the regime in South Africa, Israel has nowhere to test textiles, but are there few countries in the world that are ready to provide their territory for trials for mani?

            What for ? We have been modeling this for a long time.
            The USA and Russia do not blow up the same thing. Nevermind.
            Quote: g1v2
            Вот интересно , кстати , где уран для "текстиля " покупают?

            They are produced from phosphates mined in the Dead Sea region.
          3. Oleg7700
            Oleg7700 13 January 2016 01: 14 New
            +1
            Особенно если учесть что первые 2-3 "изделия" были изготовлены в Израиле почти полвека(!) назад, вдруг спохватиться и осудить. Из франкоязычных источников, по воспоминаниям соратников отца французского ЯО Бернарда Голдшмидта (большого друга Бен-Гуриона и с роднёй в Израиле) каждая третья бомба (в т.ч. Н-Бомб) взорванная на атолле Моруа, была изготовлена на "текстильной фабрике" в Димоне,- французам было интересно качество своего реактора. Патент на лазерное обогащение урана у Израиля, фосфатов огромные запасы, стран третьего мира не представляющих что у них есть-тоже...
        2. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 22: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Gormengast
          There is no legal way to acquire nuclear weapons

          In addition to its own design.
          Quote: Gormengast
          потому что под контролем не только оно, но и любые компоненты для его производства. А "комиссия" - МАГАТЭ

          The United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) rejected the offer of Egypt, under which the international community would be able to control the activities at Israeli nuclear facilities. This was reported by the Israeli portal Newsru.co.il.
          Against the resolution entitled "Israeli Nuclear Potential" voted 61 members of the IAEA, including all EU countries and the United States. 43 countries support Egypt initiative

          Quote: Gormengast
          Otherwise, why is anyone interested in the number of gas centrifuges in Iran? They do not necessarily produce weapons-grade uranium, but they are required to produce it.

          Iran signed the NPT and the problem is not centrifuges, but the degree of enrichment and access of IAEA inspections. Iran came under sanctions when it barred the access of IAEA inspectors to its facilities
          .
          Quote: Gormengast
          Why are nuclear power plants in North Korea closely monitored?

          The DPRK has no nuclear power plants, there are reactors for producing plutonium.
          Quote: Gormengast
          Then, when the mattresses did not fulfill their obligations to build two nuclear power plants that were not capable of producing nuclear weapons components, they launched it back.

          I don’t understand, do you generally understand the difference between nuclear power plants and reactors for operating nuclear weapons?
          Quote: Gormengast
          The global unspoken law states: any country that does something suspicious from the point of view of creating nuclear weapons immediately falls under sanctions.

          There is no such law, neither vowel nor vowel.
          Do not tell tales.
          There are clear rules and regulations.
          1. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 12 January 2016 23: 06 New
            +2
            In addition to its own design.


            It is controlled by the non-proliferation of technologies for production. In theory.

            Iran signed the NPT and the problem is not centrifuges, but the degree of enrichment and access of IAEA inspections. Iran came under sanctions when it barred the access of IAEA inspectors to its facilities


            Withdrew the signature and, for formal reasons, was not obliged to let anyone go anywhere. Again, theoretically. At the recent negotiations, the number of centrifuges was no less acute moment of discussion, as well as the degree of enrichment and the fate of already enriched uranium.

            I don’t understand, do you generally understand the difference between nuclear power plants and reactors for operating nuclear weapons?


            The reactor for producing plutonium also produces energy, only it is not used; is reset. Some types of plutonium are also being produced at nuclear power plants and, as field experiments have shown, can be used to produce nuclear weapons (albeit bad). As for terminology - I accept the comment; Of course, we are talking about different things.

            There is no such law, neither vowel nor vowel.


            There is a law. The non-proliferation regime is so important that virtually no one is looking at signatories / non-signatories / withdrawals. Usually the reaction to any violations is very harsh. The whole world; there are no two (or three) camps. This is one of those areas where the interests of Russia and the United States coincide.
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 23: 12 New
              -1
              Quote: Gormengast
              on controlled by non-proliferation of technology for production. In theory.

              Israel has developed all the technology itself.
              Quote: Gormengast
              Withdrew the signature and, for formal reasons, was not obliged to let anyone go anywhere.

              There is no such procedure, withdrew the signature from the NPT - it was automatically sanctioned.

              Quote: Gormengast
              At the recent negotiations, the number of centrifuges was no less acute moment of discussion, as well as the degree of enrichment and the fate of already enriched uranium.

              Of course, shopping malls for peaceful purposes do not require enrichment of more than 20%

              Quote: Gormengast
              The reactor for producing plutonium also produces energy, only it is not used; is reset.

              Of course, mk will not pull any turbine
              Quote: Gormengast
              There is a law.

              no
              Quote: Gormengast
              The non-proliferation regime is so important that virtually no one is looking at signatories / non-signatories / withdrawals

              So why isn’t Israel sanctioned?
              1. Gormenghast
                Gormenghast 12 January 2016 23: 32 New
                0
                Israel has developed all the technology itself.


                I can not judge this. I would only like to note that even the USSR partially stole technology. My personal IMHO - this was done in order to save time and money (that is, later I would have developed it myself); but the fact remains.

                There is no such procedure, withdrew the signature from the NPT - it was automatically sanctioned.


                This is a double standard, in my opinion. There cannot be a position of an evader to sign better than a position of revocation of a signature. In fact, in both cases there is a strong suspicion of violating the non-proliferation regime.

                Of course, shopping malls for peaceful purposes do not require enrichment of more than 20%


                Иран ссылался не некие "research goals", которые могут быть как мирными, так и военными. Что за "peaceful goals" - мне неизвестно; может, для реактора на мирных АПЛ? wassat

                So why isn’t Israel sanctioned?


                Unclear. Personally, I think because of the secrecy. Signature did not withdraw; did everything quietly; still not recognized in stock (although there is India and Pakistan). The scandals with the loss of purchased uranium hushed up.

                Probably, if I knew, then I would be Lavrov. laughing
                1. atalef
                  atalef 12 January 2016 23: 44 New
                  -1
                  .
                  This is a double standard, in my opinion. There cannot be a position of an evader to sign better than a position of revocation of a signature. In fact, in both cases there is a strong suspicion of violating the non-proliferation regime.

                  What is the double standard?
                  One did not sign, the second signed and violated (they withdrew the signatures after they developed) - which ones are the same?
                  Once again (what does Israel mean the signature did not withdraw?)
                  Israel has not signed, it has never been a member of the NPT - and the NPT is a voluntary organization, only entering it is much easier than leaving
                  1. Gormenghast
                    Gormenghast 13 January 2016 00: 01 New
                    0
                    There are never exactly the same situations. In history, everything happens only once.

                    It can be considered that the DPRK left the NPT when weapons-grade plutonium was produced; maybe this is indeed so (only intelligence directors can say for sure).
                    But we can assume (this is an absolute truth) that the United States violated its obligations to build nuclear power plants, to provide fuel oil and included the DPRK in the so-called rogue states. That is, the aggressive US is to blame for the DPRK's withdrawal from the NPT.

                    There is no direct causal link between obtaining a weapon and withdrawing from a contract. They might not go out, bombs riveted secretly, like some others.
                    Now let the US prove that the connection was; I see another connection - they decided to crush the DPRK, which already lived very poorly; in short, they wanted to arrange energy genocide.
          2. mvg
            mvg 13 January 2016 02: 29 New
            0
            Quote: atalef

            I don’t understand, do you generally understand the difference between nuclear power plants and reactors for operating nuclear weapons?

            They promised a bunch of rice and nuclear power plants. They didn’t give either one ..
        3. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 13 January 2016 07: 16 New
          -3
          Gormengast:
          Нет ни одного законного способа приобретения ЯО; потому что под контролем не только оно, но и любые компоненты для его производства. А "комиссия" - МАГАТЭ.

          and nevertheless:

          Соединенные Штаты Америки
          Russia
          France
          United Kingdom
          China.

          these countries have nuclear weapons. Publicly and legitimately.
          Кто им выдал сертификат? " МАГАТЭ"?
  • NKV
    NKV 12 January 2016 21: 21 New
    +1
    And what did the DPRK sign a non-proliferation treaty? Just why all the dogs were hanged on Koreans, but everything is fine here, rockets, bombs, please, that’s not clear .. Like the DPRK is a rogue country that they say it can burn at times, and Israel is surrounded by friends
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: NKV
      And what did the DPRK sign a non-proliferation treaty?

      Yes
      Quote: NKV
      why only all the dogs were hanged on Koreans, but everything is fine here, rockets, bombs, please, that’s not clear ..

      Read above - Koreans signed, having received in exchange a research reactor, staff training, etc. etc. Violated. having lured everyone and Russia as well.
      But Israel did not sign anything and, of course, received nothing.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 12 January 2016 21: 23 New
    0
    And why is the boat expensive-VIP lounge, a diamond steering wheel, a marble pool on board? Can the hull instead of radio-absorbing materials be glued with a thick layer of hundred-dollar bills?
    1. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 12 January 2016 21: 46 New
      -1
      By the way, yes, most of the electronics and electricians in it are domestic, 500m for the body and mover is a lot.
      1. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 12 January 2016 23: 37 New
        +1
        Perhaps the fact is that the project was developed from scratch, otherwise it can’t be combined with Israeli requirements and equipment, including for yourself know what? (By the way, the design, like the first Dolphins, is the legal property of Israel and the Germans cannot reproduce it) And if we take into account the share of wages and social tax (up to 60%) of corporate tax, environmental protection in the cost of high-tech German industries, then the sums come out. ..
    2. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      And why is the boat expensive-VIP lounge, a diamond steering wheel, a marble pool on board? Can the hull instead of radio-absorbing materials be glued with a thick layer of hundred-dollar bills?


      Well, it will still be cheaper than the road to Sochi. wink
    3. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 12 January 2016 22: 12 New
      +1
      В создании этих подлодок, с момента техзадания и проектирования, кроме немцев участвовали три десятка израильских компаний! Сверсекретное израильское оборудование, которым нашпигована лодка, доставлялось под пломбами в Германию и при её монтаже лодка "запиралась" для всех кроме израильтян.(в Израиле будет дооснащаться тем, что не подлежит вывозу за границу) Проект чрезвычайно дорогой, но оно того стоит-"это Израиль, детка" как пишут в интернетах...
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 13 January 2016 02: 42 New
        0
        Неужели так и пишут в интернетах - "это Израиль, детка"? Вот это круто. Типа "В Хайфе встретили самую дорогую субмарину израильских ВМС." - это Израиль, детка. "Гендиректор муниципалитета Ашкелона арестован по делу о коррупции" - это Израиль, детка. "Поданы обвинительные заключения против участников суда линча в Беэр-Шеве" - это Израиль, детка. Ваще закачаешься.)))
        1. Oleg7700
          Oleg7700 13 January 2016 03: 46 New
          +1
          Absolutely right! I only recently had time for Internet fun and I drew attention to this - for a completely different reason, this expression is used by a younger generation than me: -and because the former president-ohlnik sits and the prime minister is on trial for helping the right people, and for the purely positive moments of life. So here ...
  • VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 12 January 2016 21: 30 New
    0
    interesting zakazik, I would dig deeper into it, if they allow on a tour)))))
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 13 January 2016 02: 59 New
      +2
      Этот снимок внутри строящейся шестой израильской подлодки "Дакар", был сделан в апреле 2015 с разрешения израильтян, по случаю посещения верфи австралийским министром обороны. Немцы борются с японцами за 35 миллиардный(!) австралийский ПЛодок контракт...
  • prishelec
    prishelec 12 January 2016 21: 40 New
    0
    Soon, both Arabia and Iran will acquire nuclear weapons, and the long-awaited peace and parity will come in the Middle East.
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 12 January 2016 21: 53 New
      +6
      Israel has an advantage, it’s difficult to get into their country with a rocket, you can hook neighboring countries laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 22: 28 New
      -2
      Quote: prishelec
      Soon, both Arabia and Iran will acquire nuclear weapons, and the long-awaited peace and parity will come in the Middle East.

      Iran will not start, but no Saudi. Pakistan will subscribe for it at any second.
  • thinker
    thinker 12 January 2016 21: 40 New
    +7
    It is reported that "Rahav" is intended to perform long-distance missions.

    We know these missions.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 13 January 2016 00: 30 New
      0
      Quote: thinker
      We know these missions.


      Israel and in the form of a woman-it is strong! laughing Immediately remembered The 16th chapter of the prophet Ezekiel, so splendidly written:
      Thus says the Lord God the daughters of Jerusalem: ... And I passed by you, and saw you, and, behold, it was your time, the time of love; and I stretched forth my garment against you, and covered your nakedness; and he swore to you and entered into an alliance with you, says the Lord God, and you have become Mine. (...) But you relied on your beauty, and, taking advantage of your glory, began to fornication and wasted your fornication at all that passed by, surrendering to it. And she took from thy garments, and made herself multicolored heights, and fornored them, as she would never happen and never will be. And I took your elegant things from My gold and from My silver, which I gave you, and made myself male images, and fornication with them. (...) you built yourself prostitutes and made elevations on every square; at the beginning of every road, she arranged for herself elevations, dishonored your beauty and spread your legs for all that pass by, and multiplied your fornication. Fornication with your sons Egypt, your neighbors, great-growing people, and increased your fornication, angering Me. (...). And you fornication with the sons of Assyria, and you were not filled; I was fornication with them, but I was not satisfied with it; and I multiplied your fornication in the land of Canaan to Chaldea, but was not even pleased with it. How exhausted your heart must be, says the Lord God, when you did all this, like an unbridled harlot! When you built fornication at the beginning of every road and made elevations on every square, you were not like a harlot because you rejected gifts, but like an adulterous wife who accepts strangers instead of her husband. They give gifts to all the harlots, and you yourself gave gifts to all your lovers and bribed them so that they would come to you from all directions to whore you. In your fornication you had the opposite of what happens to women: it was not they who chased you, but you gave gifts, but you were not given gifts; and therefore you acted in opposition to others. Therefore, listen, harlot, the word of the Lord! (...) ... I will gather all your lovers whom you have enjoyed and whom you have loved, with all those whom I hated, and I will gather them everywhere against you, and I will reveal your nakedness before them, and they will see all your shame. I will judge you by the court of adulterers and shedding blood - and I will deliver you with bloody rage and jealousy; I will deliver you into their hands, and they will destroy your prostitutes, and they will scatter your exaltations, and they will tear your clothes from you, and they will take your clothes, and leave you naked and uncovered. And they will call a meeting upon you, and they will stone you with stones, and they will cut you with their swords. They will burn your houses with fire and will execute judgment on you before the eyes of many wives; and I will put an end to your fornication, and you will no longer give gifts.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 12 January 2016 21: 46 New
    +1
    Israel’s nuclear weapons do not threaten Russia in any way, they are not suicides. But we must pay tribute that Israel is the most sensible and sane state in the Middle East, despite their friendship with the United States
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 January 2016 22: 10 New
    +2
    If you consider the NPT in terms of equity.

    Option - no agreement, everyone rivets what he wants. But here comes the IG and everyone becomes unwell.

    Option - only the US owner, the rest are not. The option is being considered because recently a friend of Russia suggested that she surrender all of her nuclear weapons. am Not good; was an ideological opponent of the USSR; the United States would certainly destroy it if they could.

    Option-only the USSR owner. Poorly; since the ideological adversary of the United States is again at gunpoint, and there were such graters with China - what the hell.

    Option - owners of the USA, USSR, China. Great, fair option; each center of power has its own weapon; each member is a member of military unions.

    Option (existing) - not bad; the owners are the same + former power centers of Great Britain and France. Now, given NATO, they need to remove weapons; they do not need it. They are peace-loving, tolerasts and loving.

    It turns out that the existing option at least to some extent ensures world peace. Who doesn’t - can enter into an alliance with the United States; who does not want - with Russia or China.

    I just do not see any other reasonable option. I can’t answer about India and Pakistan; I just don’t know how to deal with them.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 12 January 2016 22: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: atalef
    And Muslims 1 billion 200 million

    So be afraid laughing
    Quote: atalef
    Well, fear has big eyes, and Vata?

    Я просто предупреждаю что ВЫ можете быть везде например "прикинутся" русским как например про тебя говорят некоторые - Двух метровый гигант с большими кулаками и с виду ну прямо русский lol

    If Ivanov I.I. is written in the passport, it’s worth considering!
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 13 January 2016 02: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: zollstab
      If Ivanov I.I. is written in the passport, it’s worth considering


      Still would! After all имя "Иван" ("Йоханаан") - 100% еврейское! laughing
      Подозреваю, что чуть ли не четверть "якобы русских" - все, кто носит еврейские имена (Гавриил, Даниил, Захар, Иван, Илья, Матвей, Михаил, Яков...) - замаскированные евреи! laughing
  • Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 12 January 2016 22: 26 New
    +6
    Да, кстати, сегодня Германия объявила что закупает в 2018 году израильские вооружённые беспилотники HeronTP на сумму 600-650 миллионов евро! Американцы с "Хищником" пролетели...
  • gergi
    gergi 12 January 2016 22: 31 New
    +8
    I am very anxious, directly loving towards the Jews who live in Israel. Here is a Jew in the neighborhood that is not very. Yes, and he strives to ass me all asshole. And in appearance, a decent person. Jews, what's wrong with you?
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 12 January 2016 23: 18 New
      +1
      Уважаемый gergi! Тех кого вы называете сугубо русским словом "еврей" и с кем вы можете тут общаться, становиться в Израиле всё меньше по естественным причинам, увы. Для всё большего числа "исраэлим" у которых уже бабушки и дедушки сабры т.е родились в Израиле, ваш вопрос про неведомых им "евреев" не вызвал бы никаких ассоциаций. Удачи вам с соседями!
  • ASK505
    ASK505 12 January 2016 23: 10 New
    +2
    How many submarines have Germany delivered to Israel for free over the past ten years? Who knows? The press once slipped a figure about four submarines. Fritz and after 70 years.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 23: 15 New
      -4
      Quote: ASK505
      How many submarines have Germany delivered to Israel for free over the past ten years ?.

      much less (at times). than Russia / USSR gave and continues to give to Syria wink
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 13 January 2016 11: 31 New
        0
        Уважаемый, я вот читаю коменты. У вас постоянно, как у обиженного мальчика, то про Сердюкова, то про дорогу в Сочи, теперь про Сирию - типа "сам такой". Человек задал вопрос - ответ "А Россия ещё хуже". Что Россия вам плохого сделала?
  • electrooleg
    electrooleg 12 January 2016 23: 12 New
    0
    A boat with which you can not hit Germany. Otherwise, who will then perform warranty repairs? : D
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 12 January 2016 23: 24 New
    0
    And will this somehow help in the fight against Hamas, Hezbollah and the martyrs of Al-Aqsa?
  • liza1999
    liza1999 12 January 2016 23: 31 New
    0
    And what are we all wound up with? Well, they built a boat, well, people rejoice ... If something happened, not a boat, but there was something ...
  • From Samara
    From Samara 12 January 2016 23: 47 New
    0
    Nice submarine ...
    1. not a Jew
      not a Jew 12 January 2016 23: 51 New
      0
      Quote: From Samara
      Nice submarine ...

      But the Israelis are unlikely to go wild for her for 500 lyamas. Most likely, the amount is much lower. We know why.
      1. mvg
        mvg 13 January 2016 02: 55 New
        0
        Why not? How much does Soryu cost? About 2 lard of Australian money (1.8 lard of greens), what did you take on the cost?
        Here is the price tag for the 212 project for 2012. And this trough is even more .. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1% 8B% D
        0%B5_%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0_%C2%AB%D0%94%D0%BE%
        D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%C2%BB
  • Michael easily
    Michael easily 12 January 2016 23: 51 New
    -1
    Nobody forbade anyone to walk on the seas.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 January 2016 00: 00 New
    +1
    The Jews bent their chances on another submarine.
    Well done, high-quality milking Deutsche,
    do not hesitate to do gesheft on the death of their fellow tribesmen FIG knows how many years ago.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 January 2016 00: 13 New
      -2
      Quote: Zomanus
      The Jews bent their chances on another submarine.
      Well done, high-quality milking Deutsche,
      do not hesitate to do gesheft on the death of their fellow tribesmen FIG knows how many years ago.

      Brad.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 13 January 2016 00: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Brad.


        Arguing! smile
        EMNIP, for some reason, compensation for the Holocaust from Germany is not descendants their victims as well state Israel, which did not exist during the Holocaust!
        1. borov
          borov 13 January 2016 10: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Weyland
          Arguing!

          Why should he argue?
          For him, Nachum Goldman (
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahum_Goldmann
          http://www.eleven.co.il/article/11247
          ) will argue (http://antisionizm.info/Mif-ob-izrailskom-chude-finansirovanie-Izrailya-izvne-1
          0.html):

          «Соглашения были подписаны 10 сентября 1952 года в Люксембурге. Германию представлял канцлер, Израиль - Министр иностранных дел Моше Шарет (Moshé Sharett), а я - "Конференцию по притязаниям".» (с. 283)

          “German deliveries have been a decisive factor in the economic recovery of Israel over recent years. I do not know what the fate of Israel would be at some critical moments for its economy if Germany had not kept its obligations. Railways, telephone lines, port facilities, irrigation systems; entire industries and agriculture would not be in their present condition without German reparations. Finally, hundreds of thousands of Jewish victims of Nazism have received significant amounts under the “Compensation Act” in recent years. ” (p. 286)

          “When I paid a visit to Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion on the morning of my arrival, he approached me solemnly:“ You and I had the good fortune to see two miracles: the creation of the state of Israel and the signing of an agreement with Germany. I created the first, the second is you. " (p. 284)

          Source: Nahum Goldmann "Autobiographie" / Autobiography /. Ed. Fayard, Paris, 1969


          Вот с тех пор так и "доят" немецких а американских налогоплательщиков :)
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  • Dmitrii210
    Dmitrii210 13 January 2016 00: 14 New
    +1
    Yes, let it be built for God's sake, that’s okay too. I think it’s time to stop thinking with the criteria of the USSR about fraternal and non-fraternal peoples. There is a weapon and a god with it. In the end, you need to think about your country, and for Russia dwarf Israel with a negligible amount of yao It’s not a threat at all. Yes, and for neighboring countries, if Russia is again interested in this, there will be no problems ensuring their security against nuclear weapons and other Israeli forces.
  • Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 13 January 2016 00: 32 New
    +1
    An offer of marriage to the bride after the trip, in a typical Israeli style.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 13 January 2016 01: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Zomanus
    The Jews bent their chances on another submarine.
    Well done, high-quality milking Deutsche,
    do not hesitate to do gesheft on the death of their fellow tribesmen FIG knows how many years ago.

    Brad.

    Многоцелевые подводные лодки класса "Дельфин" (U-Boot Dolphin), которые Германия поставляет Израилю, способны нести ядерное оружие, сообщил в воскресенье немецкий еженедельник Der Spiegel.

    По мнению журнала, подлодки "Дельфин" позволят Израилю применить ядерное оружие в случае, если будут уничтожены ракетные и авиационные базы страны. Это оружие " второго удара", которое лишает противников возможности выиграть войну за счет внезапной разрушительной бомбардировки.
    Part of the cost of building submarines is borne by the German government. In particular, the FRG budget will pay 135 million euros for the sixth submarine, which covers a third of its cost.
    .... the political leadership of Germany and the designers are aware that we are talking about an arms system capable of carrying nuclear weapons, but they were guided by the desire to guarantee the security of Israel, for which it was necessary to keep the mission of the submarines secret, NEWSru Israel reports .... ...
  • papanya59
    papanya59 13 January 2016 03: 10 New
    0
    Quote: 79807420129
    Quote: Wiruz
    The submarine is armed with missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

    Oh! Extra said belay

    Now our Israeli colleagues will answer you that they have nothing! fellow

    Israeli colleagues have truncated everything superfluous! winked winked
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 January 2016 03: 30 New
    0
    Israel is the most sensible and sane state in the Middle East

    so sane that exactly after his appearance in the Middle East, the mess began and only intensifies.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 13 January 2016 09: 52 New
      0
      lopvlad:
      Israel is the most sensible and sane state in the Middle East

      so sane that exactly after his appearance in the Middle East, the mess began and only intensifies.

      here is a short list of different wars (including B.V.)

      1910-1919 year. Hebrew is still not enough in the region and Israel is not at all.

      я понимаю что этот список за "бардак" вы не считаете.


      National Liberation Uprising in Albania (1910-1911)
      Mexican Revolution (1911-1917)
      Colombian-Peruvian border conflict (1911)
      Xinhai revolution (1911-1912)
      The Mongol-Chinese War (1911-1915)
      The Italo-Turkish War (1911-1912)
      Russian-Persian War (1911)
      American Occupation of Nicaragua (1912-1933)
      War of Contestad (1912-1916)
      The First Balkan War (1912-1913)
      Second Balkan War (1913)
      Saudi-Turkish War (1913)
      Sino-Tibetan War (1913-1918)
      World War I (1914-1918)
      US Occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916-1924)
      Revolution and Civil War in Ukraine (1917-1921)
      Civil War in Finland (1918)
      The Armenian-Azerbaijani War (1918-1920)
      Georgian-Armenian War (1918)
      The Civil War in Latvia (1918-1920)
      The War of Independence of Estonia (1918-1920)
      The Civil War in Russia (1918-1922)
      Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919)
      Soviet-Polish war (1918-1921)
      The first Soviet-Finnish war (1918-1921)
      Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)
      Czechoslovak-Hungarian War (1919-1920)
      The War of Independence of Ireland (1919-1921)
      The Second Greek-Turkish War (1919-1922)
      Teshinsky conflict (1919-1920)
  • papont64
    papont64 13 January 2016 10: 18 New
    0
    Strong Israel is now more than ever needed in this Arab mess ...
  • sub307
    sub307 13 January 2016 18: 04 New
    0
    Подводные лодки типа "Дельфин" являются модификацией подлодок Тип 212 и разработаны специально для Израиля. Они строятся на немецких верфях города Киль и имеют следующие основные характеристики:


    • surface displacement - 1450 tons;
    • underwater displacement - 1840 tons;
    • the longest length along the waterline is 56,3 m;
    • body width naib. - 6,8 m;
    • average draft on waterline - 7,0 m;
    • surface speed - 12 knots;
    • underwater speed - 20 knots;
    • working depth of immersion - 200 meters;
    • maximum immersion depth - 350 meters;
    • autonomy of swimming - 50 days;
    • crew - 30 people
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 13 January 2016 22: 46 New
      +1
      It is very simple to click and get the actual characteristics of the Israeli previous Dolphin-1 (57,3 m. 1640-1900 tonn) and the new Dolphin-2AIP submarines (68,6 m. 2050-2400tonn).