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Greek General: Do not stop Erdogan from leading Turkey to a catastrophe

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Greek General: Do not stop Erdogan from leading Turkey to a catastrophe
Greek General Fragulis Fragos. Photo: Ministry of Defense of Greece



The facts:
7 January Turkey for the first time violated the air borders of Greece in 2016 year - four Turkish fighters three times invaded the airspace of Hellas over the northern part of the Aegean Sea.
However, the regular invasions of the Turkish Air Force are hardly surprising: according to the University of Thessaly, it was only in 2014 that the Greek Ministry of Defense recorded the 2244 invasions of Turkish aircraft and helicopters into the country's airspace.
In 2015, the Turkish Air Force violated the borders of Greece at least 1300 times, including, at a minimum, 31 flying directly over the territory of the Greek islands.


About why Ankara behaves so provocatively towards its neighbor, how NATO and the EU treat such manifestations of Turkish “good neighborliness” and where Turkey will lead its foreign policy, the RG correspondent spoke with the Greek general Fragulis Fragos.

Every year, thousands of invasions into the air borders of Hellas by armed Turkish fighters are counted, and demonstration passes of the Turkish Navy ships occur in close proximity not only to the Greek islands, but also from the mainland of your country. Why does Turkey behave so provocatively towards Greece?

Fragulis Fragos: The Turks want to change the borders in the Aegean Sea - this is their main goal. The fact is that since the time of Mustafa Kemal Attaturk, there exists the concept of a “national oath” or a “national pact” approved by the Turkish parliament in 1923, which is called “misaki” in Turkish. It provides for the return of part of northern Greece under the rule of Ankara up to Thessaloniki, Cyprus, the redistribution of the maritime borders in the Aegean Sea. In fact, Turkey seeks to restore the Ottoman Empire. This is the basis of the constant instability and provocations in the Aegean Sea.

Formally, the Turkish warships use neutral waters, but they behave aggressively, provoking the Greek Navy. Turkish aircraft openly violate the air borders of our country. All this serves one purpose - to create “gray areas” and make it clear to the international community that Turkey does not recognize the existing maritime borders in the eastern Mediterranean. For the same reason, Turkey refuses to sign the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

In 1996, an open military conflict nearly occurred between Athens and Ankara. Many Greeks are confident that the Turks shot down a Greek helicopter near the Island of Had (the official version is a wreck) when three of your servicemen died. Is this really true?

Fragulis Fragos:
No one knows for sure. But as a result of a special investigation of this incident in the Ministry of Defense of Greece, we did not find evidence of this version. However, no one will argue that the root cause of the death of our pilots were the reckless actions of Turkey, which violated the Greek borders, in this case, the Island Having. Moreover, the Turks initially knew that, in accordance with all international treaties, the island belongs to Greece.

Further incidents between Greece and Turkey cannot be ruled out. And here on our side the main role is played by the professionalism of our small Air Force - when I was the head of the General Staff of Greece, we conducted military exercises with the Israelis, who had previously conducted similar exercises with Turkey. So, according to an Israeli analysis, in the event of a Greek-Turkish air conflict, the Greek Air Force will be able to destroy all Turkish combat aircraft during 48 hours.

In one of your recent comments in the Greek media, you stated that in the event of an escalation of the conflict around Turkey, including Ankara’s desire to use the 5 article of the NATO collective defense treaty, Greece should be opposed. Is this possible in the North Atlantic Alliance?

Fragulis Fragos:
If NATO asks us to support Turkey in the framework of the 5 article of the Washington Treaty, it is unlikely that Greece will do that. Why do we need it? We need to think about our national interests. Everyone knows that every day the Turks violate our borders in the air and at sea. Literally at the end of December, Ankara declared NOTAM (warning to foreign pilots of closed airspace - “RG”) over the Greek islands in the Aegean Sea “due to military exercises.”

In fact, Turkey has been pursuing an aggressive policy against Greece over the past hundred years. Hundreds of thousands of Greeks were expelled from Constantinople and Asia Minor. Almost 40 percent of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation since 1974, and today they constantly violate our air and sea borders. At the same time, neither in the EU nor in NATO they want to help Greece.

The North Atlantic Alliance, of which both Greece and Turkey are members, flatly refuses to intervene in the Greek-Turkish differences. When we officially complain about the behavior of our neighbors, we are told - look for a solution on your own.

What does it mean? Although NATO seeks to look like a monolithic organization, it is not. After all, some members of the alliance suffer from the actions of others, as is the case with Greece and Turkey, countries with 11 and 70 millions of people, respectively. At any time, NATO members could pressure Ankara, but this does not happen. The European Union, in turn, leads an unfair policy towards both Greece and Cyprus, continuing negotiations on joining the EU with a country that openly questions the existing borders of Greece, and also supports the occupation of the northern part of Cyprus.

What are the true goals of Turkey in the Syrian conflict from the point of view of the Greek military?

Fragulis Fragos:
The main thing that Ankara is afraid of is the creation of broad Kurdish autonomy. Therefore, they are trying to flirt with the various groups of Kurds. Today, the Turks have established good relations with the president of Iraqi Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani, and they do not fight against Daesh (the Arabic name of the terrorist organization “IG”, which is banned in the Russian Federation). The truth is that the Turks buy oil not only from DAISH, but also from Barzani.

The latest egregious incident is Turkey's invasion of Iraq. Ankara claims that they help train Kurdish troops to fight Daesh. But the question arises: why send so many heavy military equipment for training, including Tanks? In fact, they want to provide themselves with long-term access to oil extracted in the Iraqi Mosul area. That is their goal. On the other hand, the Turks are striving to create a “gray” and uncontrolled zone on the border of Syria, Iraq and Turkey.

The conflict in Syria is no longer a war between the forces loyal to President Assad and the opposition. Today we can say that everyone is fighting against everyone there: Assad, Hezbol, the Free Syrian Army, DAISH, the Kurds with the Turks, Iran and the international coalitions. Moreover, the existence of Daishe is beneficial to a number of players - from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to Turkey, using the Islamists against Assad and the Kurds.

Last year, Russia faced Ankara’s blatant and aggressive behavior when Turkish fighters shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber. Moscow dramatically changed its policy towards Turkey and imposed economic sanctions against this country. How do you assess the prospects of the Russian-Turkish conflict?

Fragulis Fragos:
Turkish politics has always resembled the behavior of a fox. And if Moscow really will aggressively pursue a hard line in relation to Ankara, then Turkey will surrender after a while and make concessions. For example, he will offer to forget about the incident with the Su-24, declare his readiness to pay compensation for the downed aircraft, and so on.

Until recently, Russia trusted Turkey as a partner, but that was a mistake. “You can’t trust the Turks” - this is what my grandfather said, who disappeared in the so-called labor battalions created by the Turks in Asia Minor (during the Greek-Turkish war of 1919-1922, most of the Greek Christians in the occupied Turks were called up to labor battalions in which non-human conditions were created - RG comment).

The fact is that the deadlock policy of Turkey towards its neighbors - Ankara has spoiled relations with everyone, starting with Greece and Syria and ending with Israel and Iran - leading the Turks to isolation. And Erdogan, with his provocative foreign, as well as Islamist domestic policy, leads Turkey straight to a catastrophe. And, I believe that he does not need to interfere with this.

2016 year is declared the "cross" year of Russia in Greece and Greece in Russia. What are your expectations from the prospects for the development of relations between our countries?

Fragulis Fragos:
Our countries are united by a common Orthodox religion, culture and values. Greece played a huge role in the fact that Orthodoxy came to the Russian people through Hellas, and Russia responded by sending Ioannis Kapodistrias and Alexander Ypsilanti (the first ruler of Greece and the hero of the national liberation war, respectively). 1821 revolution of the year.

Today, probably, it would be wrong to say that Athens and Moscow have a common enemy. But it is quite possible to say that there is a non-allied and unfriendly country next to us. And in Greece they are very much counting on the support of Russia, since Turkey is a real security threat to us.

But in order for Hellas to stand, we need a strong army. And for a powerful army, we need a strong economy. The problem is that Greece has come under the full control of the “troika” of external creditors (EU, IMF and ECB - approx. “WG”), who are striving with all their might to prevent the existence of a self-sufficient Greek economy.

Russia could support Greece, for example, through the lifting of the food embargo against the EU in relation to Greek agricultural products so that our farmers can supply their products to the Russian market. After all, our farmers suffered because of the anti-Russian policy of the European Union, which they do not share. In addition, taking into account the tourism market of Turkey that closed for obvious reasons for the Russians, the redirected flow of your tourists to Greece could also have a positive effect on our economy.

As for political support, in Athens, of course, they are counting on Moscow in the context of the Greek-Turkish differences over Cyprus, as well as in the event of the aggravation of our relations with Ankara.

Today, Greece is facing not only economic problems, but also a large-scale refugee crisis. And most of them fall on the territory of Hellas from Turkey. Is Ankara's behavior appropriate in this situation? What do you see the reasons for what is happening?

Fragulis Fragos:
My country, Greece, like all of Europe, is indeed facing an unprecedentedly large number of refugees. About 850 thousand people passed through the Greek territory only. Many of these people just want to survive and suffer. We need to take this circumstance into account and help them. But this raises many questions, for example, about why the EU puts pressure on Athens, completely shifting the responsibility for protecting the external borders of the Schengen zone to the Greeks, and at the same time allocates three billion euros to Turkey, which does nothing to stop this flow .

With regard to the causes of what is happening, the relevant questions should be asked to the United States. Americans need to recognize and acknowledge the mistakes they have made in the region: Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak, and now Assad. In fact, the United States has created by its actions “stable instability” in the Middle East and North Africa, from which Greece is also suffering today.

Information:
Fragulis Fragos - cadre Greek military. Passed the way from a junior Greek officer special forces before the military attaché at the Greek Embassy in Turkey. From 2009 to 2011, he led the General Staff of the Greek Armed Forces for the year, and in 2012, he was appointed Acting Minister of Defense of the Hellenic Republic. In 2014, the book of General Fragos was published under the title “What is Turkey? Who are the Turks? ”In which the author, in a broad historical context, explains the essence of Ankara’s current neo-Ottoman ambitions.
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 15: 00 New
    16
    we do not interfere we help.
    1. shooter18
      shooter18 13 January 2016 15: 13 New
      15
      We all fly to Greece to relax)) And it is better to Crimea!)
      1. gray_angel
        gray_angel 13 January 2016 15: 27 New
        30
        Crimea, in terms of climate and beauty, is an order of magnitude better than Turkey and Greece ... the trouble is in poor infrastructure. the same Turks rebuilt Antalya from scratch in 20 years, and what Svidomo did in Crimea in 20 years ... right, only an unprintable word can express it.
        1. Pancho
          Pancho 13 January 2016 15: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: gray_angel
          Crimea, in terms of climate and beauty, is an order of magnitude better than Turkey and Greece

          Well, you got very excited about it.
          1. gray_angel
            gray_angel 13 January 2016 15: 55 New
            0
            this is my personal IMHO as a person who has been here and there more than once ... but on the sea, yes, the Mediterranean is beyond competition.
            1. krot
              krot 13 January 2016 17: 42 New
              +1
              The words of this general are to God’s ears!
            2. Pancho
              Pancho 13 January 2016 18: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: gray_angel
              visited there and there and not once.

              It depends on where to visit, if in Athens, then Simferopol is not beautiful, but the Greek islands are far from Crimea. Well, yes, this is my opinion.
          2. family
            family tree 13 January 2016 16: 02 New
            +8
            Quote: Pancho
            Well, you got very excited about it.

            Well, yes, perhaps. In Antalya the Mediterranean, about 15 meters the bottom is visible, ears, though it lays and is cold at the bottom, exactly the same as in Black belay
            Not, in White, it’s immediately cold, I didn’t even dive repeat
          3. gergi
            gergi 13 January 2016 21: 12 New
            +4
            If I want to see smoked meats, I will not fly to Egypt and not to Turkey, but I will go to the neighboring market. In Crimea, our Russians, you need to help them get up, and not these smoked type friends. Infrastructure does not satisfy? Sun air and sea is the main infrastructure. And her in the Crimea to a fig.
            1. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 13 January 2016 21: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: gergi
              Not, in White, it’s immediately cold, I didn’t even dive

              And I didn’t even dare to go Kara! smile
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. vlad66
        vlad66 13 January 2016 15: 58 New
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        Quote: shooter18
        We all fly to Greece to relax)) And it is better to Crimea!)

        It’s better to have a rest at home, to rest in Turkomania, to be a potential hostage, and the 3rd deer have already felt the hospitality of the Turks.
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 13 January 2016 17: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: shooter18
        We all fly to Greece to relax)) And it is better to Crimea!)

        Behind General Fragulis Fragos is the flag of the ground forces of Greece, the flag with a double-headed eagle, we have one faith and one symbolism from Byzantium
    2. Dembel77
      Dembel77 13 January 2016 15: 33 New
      +5
      ... Greece really counts on Russia's support, because Turkey is a real security threat for us ... for Hellas to stand up ... I need a strong army ... we need a strong economy ... Russia could support Greece ... by removing the grocery an embargo against the EU in relation to Greek agricultural products ... so that our farmers can supply their products to the Russian market ... the flow of your tourists to Greece ... could have a positive effect on our economy ... in Athens ... counting on Moscow in the context of the Greek-Turkish differences over Cyprus ... in the event of aggravation of our relations with Ankara.
      Russia, of course, is not a rich country - but God ordered to help those in need. We will help as we can. And together it will be easier to survive in a crisis. Again, the Turks will not be in the habitat - let the unchristen rave about!
      1. family
        family tree 13 January 2016 16: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Dembel 77
        God commanded the needy to help.

        God shares the command.
        Yes, enough already, as well, so Russia went to .... But how does it matter, so

        Well, let them rule themselves, or even to join NATO and eat a fish,
    3. northern
      northern 13 January 2016 16: 36 New
      +8
      Curiously, what prevents Greece from shooting down these “thousands of Turkish planes”? The gut is thin? And then the whining, saying that the agrarians suffered from anti-EU sanctions by the Russian Federation. How to vote for sanctions against the Russian Federation, so go in the forefront? No, brothers, Greeks, nagging at the wrong place.
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 January 2016 17: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: north
        The gut is thin?

        exactly .... I don’t understand what Greece is doing in NATO. Its main defensive strategy is aimed at defending from Turkey, the same NATO member.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 13 January 2016 17: 27 New
        +3
        "what prevents Greece from shooting down these" thousands of Turkish planes? "
        HEAD.
        And what about the gut? 11 and 70 million people Fleet of Turkey. just answer and lose ALL the islands.
        Waiting for the moment.
        1. family
          family tree 13 January 2016 18: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          11 and 70 million people Fleet of Turkey. just answer and lose ALL the islands.

          Well, for example, Vietnam and the USA. Far supply ?, Lana, 2MB, China and Japan.
          To sweep Turks from Crete is one army operation for that SA.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 13 January 2016 18: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: perepilka
            Well, for example, Vietnam and the USA

            But did the USSR help Vietnam in this war?
            1. family
              family tree 13 January 2016 18: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Pancho
              But did the USSR help Vietnam in this war?

              And who provided assistance to Japan when she crushed China
              And at the expense of the USSR, duck and China, too.
              And in World War II, they helped us, only, even none of the imported lads, wrote on the wall, they say, "Satisfied with the ruins of the Reichstag!" But the "Charlemagne" in the Reichstag stood, to death.
              So help is necessary, and we need it ourselves, like how much was poured into Spain in the 30s?
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 13 January 2016 22: 04 New
            +2
            family tree
            "Vietnam and the USA"
            What do you want me to say? What is a banana warrior stronger than an orange? Well, stronger. This is excuse Europe, not armed with the ideas of Marxism-Leninism. Dot. "China and Japan" is the same. Europe will not survive the wars for 5-10 years, it will go crazy with horror.
            I repeat, in the event of a collision, Greece will lose all the islands, regardless of the outcome of the war. Having captured them, the Turks will immediately be slaughtered by refugees and civilians. Humane Europe will spread its hands.
            What is there with Crete, you probably mean Cyprus? The fleet is needed. Aviation is not enough. The Germans took Crete, but then the Germans.
            Sorry, the look of an amateur, though with experience.
            1. family
              family tree 14 January 2016 02: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              What do you want me to say?

              Yes, Cyprus, of course I’m Choi recourse
              Lana, then somehow, at the expense of bananas, tangerines and the Soviet Army
              In the meantime, even the mood of disgrace to violate discipline and ruin
              Although, no, at 8.36 the steam train will arrive, and if I do not drive up to it, it will still fly.drinks request
  2. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 13 January 2016 15: 01 New
    +1
    Golden words!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 January 2016 15: 12 New
      28
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Golden words!

      Yeah:

      "So, according to an Israeli analysis, in the event of a Greek-Turkish air conflict within 48 hours, the Greek Air Force will be able to destroy all Turkish combat aircraft."

      No, son, this is fantastic. (C)

      “Russia could support Greece, for example, by lifting the food embargo against the EU in relation to Greek agricultural products so that our farmers can supply their products to the Russian market. After all, our farmers have suffered from the EU’s anti-Russian policy, which they do not share.”

      They say: simplicity is worse than theft. Farmers, therefore, do not share politics, and the rest of the Greeks share? request Like, take pity on our farmers, and at the same time on the economy, and then we will again vote for the extension of sanctions, be calm. yes
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 January 2016 17: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        "So, according to an Israeli analysis, in the event of a Greek-Turkish air conflict within 48 hours, the Greek Air Force will be able to destroy all Turkish combat aircraft."

        No, son, this is fantastic. (C)

        I agree. Turkey is one of the strongest states in the region.
  3. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 13 January 2016 15: 01 New
    19
    More than Turks Armenians hate only the Greeks.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 15: 02 New
      24
      all neighbors hate Turks.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 13 January 2016 15: 26 New
        10
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        Turks all neighbors hate

        This feeling is mutual. The Turks both proved and deserved it, attacking neighbors for centuries at every opportunity.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 January 2016 15: 14 New
      +4
      Who loves these "toads" ??? Unless herons in a swamp ...
      Quote: Kibalchish
      More than Turks Armenians hate only the Greeks.
  4. The black
    The black 13 January 2016 15: 02 New
    11
    The Greek general would first of all take care that Turkish planes would not fly over Greece, as at home .... and of course, there is no need to interfere. Better to help.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 January 2016 15: 09 New
      +9
      Quote: Black
      The Greek general would first of all take care that Turkish planes would not fly over Greece, as at home .... and of course, there is no need to interfere. Better to help.

      Indeed, what makes it difficult to shoot down Turkish planes that are in their airspace? Or if it is a matter of disputed territories, why not put this issue to a vote at the UN? In order to resolve this issue once and for all.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 January 2016 15: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        what prevents to shoot down Turkish planes that are in their airspace

        They are afraid that the planes will run out quickly, because they can beat them in 48 hours, as they said in Israel. yes
      2. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 13 January 2016 15: 18 New
        +2
        Missiles are now expensive, but they have no money.


        It is interesting, and if they really knock down, whom will the NATO support, theirs or the Turks?
        1. Gomel
          13 January 2016 15: 49 New
          +1
          according to the Charter, they (the Greeks) must, because Turkey violates this (displays an act of aggression)
      3. Gomel
        13 January 2016 15: 49 New
        13
        Read about Turkey’s occupation of Cyprus.
        The UN in such cases is a miserable impotent. That Cuba or the DPRK is nightmare yes always please
  5. 4ekist
    4ekist 13 January 2016 15: 04 New
    +2
    Yes, dur @ k is bad, and dur @ k with the initiative is a disaster.
    1. Kazanec
      Kazanec 13 January 2016 23: 11 New
      0
      Yes, if he is also ambitious, then he’s a complete kaput!
  6. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 15: 14 New
    +1
    The Greeks need to solve the problem of northern Cyprus, that’s the main thing.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 17: 01 New
      0
      how? Turks are pushing with might and main the idea of ​​reuniting the north and the south. the Greeks rebuke.
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 January 2016 15: 18 New
    0
    Eh, to give the Greeks something like that with the 300 index, or rather 400, to help clear the sky, and give back to the Turks with their help ... winked
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 13 January 2016 15: 20 New
      18
      With 300 they have, but there is no will to apply them.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 15: 26 New
      +6
      give? let's throw off with the same generous friends, buy something with an index, and give it to anyone you want.
    3. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 13 January 2016 21: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Eh, to give the Greeks something like that with the 300 index, or rather 400, to help clear the sky, and give back to the Turks with their help ... winked

      Here, dear, buy with your money and give.
      If I am not mistaken, the Greeks already have a s-300 ...
    4. northern
      northern 13 January 2016 23: 27 New
      0
      An ingenious idea was born for you, to give a member of NATO 300 or 400, just a masterpiece.
  8. koksalek
    koksalek 13 January 2016 15: 19 New
    +7
    American women don’t need either a strong Turkey or a strong Europe, the role of obedient weak vassals suits them more
  9. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 13 January 2016 15: 24 New
    0
    In the 2015 year, the Turkish Air Force violated the borders of Greece at least 1300 times, including at least 31 flight directly over the territory of the Greek islands

    Does this statistic take into account flights over disputed territories?
    If so, then the Japanese can SUCH us for the Kuril Islands that 1300 violations seem like a children's fairy tale!
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 13 January 2016 15: 49 New
      +9
      No need to pour water on the enemy’s mill. The Japanese cannot show us anything. Unless they leave the UN and denounce their signature on the UN Charter. All their tales about “disputed territories” are for internal use. The point in the dispute was set 70 years ago with the adoption of the UN Charter. By the way, recently S. Lavrov once again explained this to the "especially gifted." Yes, and here, at VO there was an article not so long ago.
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 13 January 2016 16: 20 New
        0
        No need to pour water on the enemy’s mill. The Japanese cannot show us anything.

        Before you answer something, delve into the written! I meant that each of the parties to the conflict in Northern Cyprus considers this territory its own! So the question arises, how are border violations in this area taken into account! Moreover, for objectivity, and not at all out of respect and agreement with Turkey, I would familiarize myself with the statistics of their side. The example of the Kuril Islands, by the way, is not just like that! Remember how much the stench was, after the information about the deployment of air defense systems on the islands (in my 2014 year)? How much stench rises when our strategists fly over OUR territory, which the Japanese somehow consider theirs!
        Need another example? You are welcome! Crimea. Ukrainians still consider a violation of their airspace and sovereignty flights of our (and not only) aviation, including civilian, over the peninsula! They even submit it to the courts, but only to everyone!
        Therefore, the question arose with fixing violations of airspace!
        Yours! hi
      2. UralMan
        UralMan 13 January 2016 18: 14 New
        -1
        Crimea - squeezed
        We’ll get to Alaska soon ...
        Quote: Vladislav 73
        All their tales about "disputed territories"


        That is, you need to "argue" ... that is. wring out
  10. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 13 January 2016 15: 27 New
    +4
    Not every Greek is able to walk across the river! Turkey would help to fall apart, supporting the Syrian Kurds!
  11. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 January 2016 15: 27 New
    34
    Maybe from the point of view of Greece he is right. Only I do not see point blank how and where Russia's interests are taken into account.

    Support against Turkey, support in Cyprus, support with arms, lift the embargo, send tourists.

    And what will happen to Russia? We already had big friends, Bulgarians, Montenegrins, etc. And where are they all?

    Everyone needs something - Russian money, cheap energy, investment, infrastructure projects, financial flows, tourists, etc.

    But do Russians live better than Greeks? And who will help us? Where is even verbal help from Greece?

    The interviewee is a patriot of Greece, an enemy of Turkey - but what good is it for us?
    1. Halfunra
      Halfunra 13 January 2016 15: 38 New
      +6
      Exactly!
      Uncle Vova! Let me eat, otherwise I have nothing to shit on your porch. fool hi
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 13 January 2016 15: 53 New
        +2
        IMHO, they are so crap, and then, like Ludwig Aristarkhovich, they ask "And who-oo-o did it?" laughing

    2. Gomel
      16 January 2016 16: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      Maybe from the point of view of Greece he is right. Only I point blank do not see how and where Russia's interests are taken into account ....
      ... And what, Russians live better than the Greeks? And who will help us? Where is there even verbal help from Greece? The interviewee is a Greek patriot, an enemy of Turkey - but what good is it for us?


      By the way, when I posted an article I wanted to write about it. It seems the Greeks have finally ceased to be independent. First U.S. help, then the EU, now Russia ... no the general is completely right he is a patriot of his country.
      Therefore, nothing will be said in favor of Russia, it is too much for HIS country. On the other hand, Greece, in my opinion, is the only NATO country using Russian-made air defense systems (especially so that some dodgy could not turn off the rocket at the right time)

      It has already been said "VO" in such cases, we post the signals "Follow your course"
  12. vobels
    vobels 13 January 2016 15: 38 New
    +4
    ".. Erdogan, with his provocative foreign as well as Islamist domestic policies, is leading Turkey directly to disaster. And, I believe that he does not need to interfere with this .." And without the help of neighboring countries, he will quickly come.
  13. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 13 January 2016 15: 39 New
    14
    Quote: Primus Pilus
    With 300 they have, but there is no will to apply them.

    And all because:
    "In any air defense should serve those who wanted to become a pilot, but did not pass the medical board"!)))
    So to speak - people of firm conviction - "I myself don’t fly and you’ll fly with me figs!"
    1. Samen
      Samen 13 January 2016 15: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      "I don’t fly and you’ll fly with me!"

      Not a good joke ... Wicked! negative
      1. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 13 January 2016 15: 49 New
        +3
        And what's the evil, comrade ???
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 13 January 2016 21: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Mihalich17
          And what's the evil, comrade ???

          Great joke! Just to have a sense of humor you have to serve in the army.
    2. Allax
      Allax 14 January 2016 22: 03 New
      0
      Yeah, apparently, in Ukraine, according to this principle of air defense, they are completing that they already have a tradition of shooting down civilian aircraft in peacetime
  14. python2a
    python2a 13 January 2016 15: 46 New
    -2
    Take Greece under our wing! And remind the Turks of the role of F.F. Ushakova and A.V. Suvorov in the history of Turkey.
    1. clidon
      clidon 13 January 2016 16: 12 New
      +5
      We were here six months ago, Turkey, under our wing, were going to take ...
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 13 January 2016 21: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: python2a
      Take Greece under our wing! And remind the Turks of the role of F.F. Ushakova and A.V. Suvorov in the history of Turkey.

      Isn’t it that Greece is in NATO? Maybe the whole alliance is under the “wing”?
    3. Tiger4
      Tiger4 14 January 2016 01: 26 New
      0
      Russia has few of its own under the "wings" !!!!
  15. Belarus
    Belarus 13 January 2016 15: 48 New
    +8
    Greek General: Do not stop Erdogan from leading Turkey to a catastrophe


    This is rightly said. In other words: be polite and do not stop the enemy from making fatal mistakes.
  16. soroKING
    soroKING 13 January 2016 15: 54 New
    +3
    about the Turks in half of Europe sayings cloud angry
  17. cap
    cap 13 January 2016 15: 55 New
    +1
    Russia -
    arm wrestling
    NATO. Something like that.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 13 January 2016 16: 06 New
      +5
      That's better. laughing

      And the original:

      "Woe! Woe! Crocodile
      The sun in the sky swallowed! "
      - USA.

      Only crayfish bug-eyed
      On the ground in the gloom climb,
      Yes, in the ravine behind the mountain
      Wolves mad howl.
      - all sorts of European "friends"

      And they run to the bear in the den:
      "Come out, Bear, to the rescue.
      Fully paw you, loafer, suck.
      We must go to the sun to help out! "

      But Bear reluctant to fight:
      He walks, walks, Bear, swamp circle,
      He cries, Bear, and roars,
      He calls the cubs from the swamp:
      - Russia is looking for true friends.

      The bear came quietly,
      I pushed him lightly:
      "I tell you, villain,
      Spit up the sun soon!
      But not that, look, I will catch
      I'll break it in half, -
      Will you, ignorant, know
      Our sun to steal!
      - the current situation.

      But the shameless laughs
      So the tree is shaking:
      "If only I want,
      And I’ll swallow the moon! "
      US reaction.

      Not tolerated
      Bear,
      Roared
      Bear,
      And on the evil enemy
      Flew
      Bear.

      Oh, he crushed it
      And broke it:
      "Give me here
      Our sun! "

      Frightened Crocodile,
      Screamed, screamed,
      And from the mouth
      From toothy
      The sun fell out
      - how it all ends.
      1. EFA
        EFA 13 January 2016 17: 37 New
        +3
        Thank you so much for the humorous analogy, resourcefully and sincerely)
  18. Shustov
    Shustov 13 January 2016 16: 13 New
    +1
    It is time to create yet another Russian Orthodox enclave of Byzantium with the capital of Constantinople and a powerful military base, and let soldiers and sailors rest there, bathing in the Sea of ​​Marmara.
  19. clidon
    clidon 13 January 2016 16: 14 New
    0
    More reviews of Arabs about Jews, Indians about Pakistanis, North Koreans about South Koreans, Ukrainians about Russians and vice versa.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 17: 05 New
      +1
      Why not? here the majority with rapture read Bagdasarov’s “analytics” about Turkey, why is a Greek worse than an Armenian?
  20. Cobra77
    Cobra77 13 January 2016 16: 18 New
    +1
    Yeah, "give me some water to drink, because I feel like eating so much that there’s nowhere to sleep." That's all that can be learned from this interview. What is the benefit of the Russian Federation from the lifting of the embargo on Greece, support for Greece in case of aggravation with Turkey? What is our interest then?

    Well, about 48 hours for the destruction of the Turkish Air Force by the Greeks, it was amusing. I think it will be much more complicated. Especially that there will be no wall-to-wall air battles. So only in computer simulations for beautiful articles in the media.
  21. Cobra77
    Cobra77 13 January 2016 16: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Stiletto
    Eh, to give the Greeks something like that with the 300 index, or rather 400, to help clear the sky, and give back to the Turks with their help ... winked


    Yeah, give the country a NATO member, C400 .... Karl! C400. Charles! fool
  22. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 13 January 2016 16: 42 New
    +5
    Fragulis is a chatterbox, bouncer and beggar. The most interesting thing is that it does not offer to accept any obligations on itself (Greece).
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 13 January 2016 17: 07 New
      0
      Quote: evge-malyshev
      Fragulis - chatterbox, bouncer and beggar

      so he is Greek.
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  23. Sorokin
    Sorokin 13 January 2016 17: 19 New
    +2
    Well, the Greeks themselves, God forgive me, they couldn’t determine a code. Here and there. A attitude to Russian real estate and so ambiguous. Perepopandopuly.There is no trust.
  24. Flat5160
    Flat5160 13 January 2016 17: 21 New
    0
    And who's stopping? More cooperation with the Kurds and the opposition of Erdogan, more clamping down on their stolen oil traders and exposing ties with ISIS, you see, and we will talk with the new leadership of Turkey.
  25. EFA
    EFA 13 January 2016 17: 34 New
    +1
    Surname and name of the student, general))
    Echoes the English "frag", I think fans of shooters will understand.
  26. cap
    cap 13 January 2016 18: 26 New
    +1
    To the old traditions add modern courage. It is also possible against the Turks. And looking at the change of guards in Greece, the Turks understand that they can do anything.
    1. gergi
      gergi 13 January 2016 21: 17 New
      -1
      Typical assholes.
  27. Lelek
    Lelek 13 January 2016 19: 35 New
    +1
    But in order for Hellas to stand, we need a strong army. And for a powerful army, we need a strong economy. The problem is that Greece has come under the full control of the “troika” of external creditors (EU, IMF and ECB - approx. “WG”), who are striving with all their might to prevent the existence of a self-sufficient Greek economy.

    Bravo, general, look at the root, but your country has signed up to European sanctions against the Russian Federation. It is not wise to seek help from a country in the direction of which he spat. So did Bulgaria, and what did you gain from it? And it would be good if the “southern stream” were realized - both the poor fellow Bulgaria and Greece would be in chocolate. But it’s your choice, so eat what you have. stop
  28. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 13 January 2016 20: 23 New
    +1
    I wonder if the Turks clash with the Greeks in the war, then who will NATO stand up for under Article 5 of its treaty?
    1. Tiger4
      Tiger4 14 January 2016 01: 22 New
      0
      Of course, for the Turks - there are more of them in the population!
  29. gergi
    gergi 13 January 2016 21: 14 New
    -1
    That would be shot down. Are they waiting for Russia to drag chestnuts out of the fire for them? By old habit! Goats! The word sin from the word Greek.
  30. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 14 January 2016 00: 08 New
    -1
    Article "+", thanks to the author.

    The general is not the president or even the prime minister, so ask him for Greek policy,
    NATO membership and sanctions - right, wrong address.
    But his assessment of the situation is still interesting. Hopefully he is sincere.
  31. sogdianec
    sogdianec 14 January 2016 00: 34 New
    0
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    I wonder if the Turks clash with the Greeks in the war, then who will NATO stand up for under Article 5 of its treaty?

    Morally support Greece, formally - Turkey, really - buy popcorn and ... introduce new sanctions against us.
  32. Tiger4
    Tiger4 14 January 2016 01: 20 New
    0
    In Greece there was only one GENERAL, Alexander the Great! And all the rest are “black colonels”! Without Russia, the 18-19 centuries of Greece would not have existed as a state!