South Stream: to be or not to be?

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The media is full of rumors about some "negotiations" between Russia and Bulgaria. We are talking about the "revival" of the project "South Stream". Allegedly, the construction of the gas pipeline may resume after a few weeks. The “information” about this was published in Russian publications from the Bulgarian newspaper Standard, which reported that Bulgarian Prime Minister Boris Borisov “received similar signals from Moscow.” These messages hardly correspond to reality. The Bulgarian Council of Ministers did not confirm the “information” of the media about negotiations with Russia, and the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation refuted reports about the resumption of work on the “South”.



The answer to the classic question in the title is simple and straightforward: not to be. There is not a single official confirmation of “negotiation”. Moreover, there is a denial.

The source of inaccurate (or, at least, doubtful) information was the article. “Restart to week at Yuzhen Stream” in the Bulgarian newspaper “Standard”, where the very first sentence stated: “Moscow is in the South Stream project”.

The publication referred to sources surrounded by Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov. Sources linked the resumption of negotiations on the “South” with the cooling of relations between Russia and Turkey and economic problems in the PRC, because of which the implementation of the Power of Siberia has been postponed.

Some "experts" claim that work on the construction of "Flow" will resume in the next few weeks. Moreover, the “revived” project of the South Stream gas pipeline will somehow suddenly meet the requirements of the 3-th energy package of the European Union.

Recall that the implementation of the "South Stream", leading to Bulgaria, Moscow refused at the end of 2014 year - both because of the unchanged position of the European Commission, and because of this government's commission in Sofia. Actually, if the memory does not change us, even Mr. McCain, the famous US senator, directly took part in blocking the “South”. In June 2014, he is in the company of other politicians from Washington I visited in Sofia. After that, such funny headlines appeared in the Russian media, for example: "How McCain Stopped South Stream".

The “revival” of the gas pipeline project is not officially confirmed.

"We now have no information about this," - said the press officer of the Council of Ministers of Bulgaria "Sputnik", the newspaper said "Sight".

The Ministry of Energy of Russia said that the status of the South Stream gas pipeline project remains the same: work has been stopped.

Thus, neither the Council of Ministers of Bulgaria nor the Ministry of Energy of Russia confirms reports of some negotiations between Russia and Bulgaria on the resumption of the construction of the South Stream.

There is information from other sources.

In the same Russian Ministry of Energy Gazeta.ru confirmed that Russia's position on the "South Stream" has not changed.

Newspaper "News" she made inquiries to Gazprom, the Ministry of Energy and Bulgaria, but she was not answered. But "Izvestia" has its own information about the fate of "Southern".

According to several sources of Izvestia in diplomatic circles, negotiations between Gazprom and the authorities of Russia and Bulgaria have been going on at least since the fall. They began when negotiations on the "Turkish Stream" between Moscow and Ankara were stalled.

As for the European Commission, it officially does not speak directly about approving or disapproving the resumption of negotiations on the South Stream. The press service of the EC newspaper "Izvestia" said that "the European Commission is ready to consider the construction project of the" South Stream ", provided that it meets the standards of the Third Energy Package."

In a word, and things are there.

Until the appearance of the official position of the European Commission on the “South”, the Russian authorities are unlikely to publicly reflect on the prospects for a return to the project. About this "Izvestia" said the director of the energy direction of the Institute of Energy and Finance Alexei Gromov.

“A lot has changed since the abolition of South Stream: since February 2014, the European Energy Union has appeared in Europe, without the approval of which no such agreement will work,” the expert recalled. “Therefore, in order not to break political firewood, Russia needs to begin to understand its position, and only then bring the negotiations to the public.” However, if the European Commission refutes the fact of the negotiations, as well as Russia, then this news This will remain the informational stuffing of Bulgaria, which is the natural beneficiary of all this stories. Moreover, as a transit country for our gas, it is clearly counting on a big discount. ”

Member of the Expert Council of the Union of Oil and Gas Industrialists of Russia Eldar Kasayev said Gazeta.ruthat South Stream is needed: Gazprom has long-term obligations to Europeans regarding reliable gas supplies. “After Ukraine’s statement about the complete rejection of our“ blue fuel ”imports, the risks regarding the transit of Gazprom’s gas through Ukraine’s territory have multiply increased,” the expert noted.

Kasayev reminded that the Russian-Ukrainian transit agreement expires at the end of 2019. At the same time, Gazprom’s agreements with a number of EU countries were concluded before 2035, and even for longer periods. South Stream can be launched quickly, as part of the infrastructure already exists.

It’s possible that we’ll add that Bulgaria, using the press, tastes the idea of ​​“reviving” the gas pipeline. The government in Sofia, without directly disproving an article in the newspaper Standard, must have taken advantage of the spoiled relations of Moscow and Ankara and is trying to cut the coupons that Erdogan would have gotten if the Turkish Stream were sold. Since Mr. Erdogan has turned from a “Russian partner” into an enemy and a sworn NATO member, Sofia has not lost her economic chance, which, with the correct scenario, will turn into a political chance. Europe needs gas, whatever one may say, and replacing Russian gas with some Qatari and especially American gas from shale — the story is very complicated, long and expensive. And Europeans, with their capitalist history, are able to save more than anyone. Especially in a crisis. And Europeans are also afraid of the future gas theft by Ukrainians.

Presumably, the Bulgarian question of the "return of Moscow" to the "South" will emerge in the press more than once. The publication in the Standard was a touchstone.

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    1. +14
      13 January 2016 06: 24
      Why the hell did they surrender to us, singing to the tune of mattresses now let them paw ...
      1. +10
        13 January 2016 06: 38
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        sang to the tune of mattresses now let the paw ...

        Then it is better between the legs. laughing
        1. +18
          13 January 2016 09: 21
          Guys, I don't know about you, but my heart is bleeding - I spent two years of my life building it. You have no idea how many "Mistrals" were buried in the ground, and how many builders have now been dispersed from their homes ... people are sitting without work and at their own expense ... damn shame.
          1. +4
            13 January 2016 09: 42
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            Guys, I don’t know about you, but my heart bleeds

            I read your yesterday’s comment on this topic. You’re delving into this problem better. Will it not work out so that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it will turn out that they will leave us somewhere around 10% of the pipeline’s capacity And the rest will be Azerbaijani and Turkmen gas? I read your comment yesterday very carefully.
            1. +2
              13 January 2016 09: 51
              I read your yesterday’s comment on this topic. You’re delving into this problem better. Will it not work out so that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it will turn out that they will leave us somewhere around 10% of the pipeline’s capacity And the rest will be Azerbaijani and Turkmen gas? I read your comment yesterday very carefully.

              Of course, no one is safe from this option, because they already accepted this energy package after signing the agreement and the start of construction, but even in this situation, we could receive money for the transit of Central Asian gas, and the transit of 63 billion cubic meters is not a small amount of money. With this option, at least something would be paid back, and money was invested in vain.
              1. 0
                13 January 2016 09: 55
                Quote: Rostovchanin
                With this option, at least something would be paid back, and money was invested in vain.

                I see! Thanks for the clarification.
              2. +5
                13 January 2016 10: 03
                Explain how we would receive money for gas transit when the Third Energy Package clearly declares the ownership of the pipeline by third parties - in Russian: Gazprom will build the pipeline, invest huge money, but will not own it, the pipeline will not be ours, not " Gazpromovskaya.
                1. +3
                  13 January 2016 10: 14
                  Explain how we would receive money for gas transit when the Third Energy Package clearly declares the ownership of the pipeline by third parties - in Russian: Gazprom will build the pipeline, invest huge money, but will not own it, the pipeline will not be ours, not " Gazpromovskaya.

                  The "Third Energy Package" regulates only the European section, and the gas pipeline running through our territory belongs only to Gazprom, and since South Stream will be fed mainly with Central Asian gas (Turkmenistan is the 4th country in the world in terms of gas reserves), then Gazprom would receive transit from the Turkmen. But this is so my own thoughts.
                  1. +2
                    13 January 2016 14: 09
                    here the problem is a little deeper, our goal is not to receive money for transit, but not to allow foreign gas to the EU.
                    1. 0
                      13 January 2016 18: 25
                      The lack of foreign gas goes through Syria, and the money for transit is not superfluous (800 million dollars according to Putin!)
                  2. +1
                    13 January 2016 18: 22
                    The pipe running along the bottom of the Black Sea is ours, but then who will be and most importantly, whose money to build on? Nobody wants to invest (they simply don’t have money - poor countries). "Gazprom" wanted to invest, but received a "Third Package" in return. Therefore, the case stalled. It's not about the amount of gas. It's about investing in the European pipeline - they need gas, so let them build it themselves! But they want for free ...
                    1. 0
                      13 January 2016 19: 01
                      Glasha, do not worry, "freebies" are not planned. Everyone will pay the bill according to how much they ate, or are going to eat ...
                    2. +1
                      14 January 2016 05: 50
                      I don’t know on others, but Bulgaria will erase its own land.
                  3. 0
                    13 January 2016 20: 47
                    Just explo., Rostov. Good evening. Turkmen gas practically does not go to the Russian Federation - it goes to the PRC. Through Kazakhstan, 55 billion cubic meters of Central Asian gas goes in transit to China, three branches are built. Between Gazprom and Central Asia, graters began as soon as the gas wars (Ukraine) and Europeans began to introduce energy packages, then consumption began to fall (the Baltic states, Ukraine, etc.).
                    The Bulgarians need to first resolve the issue with the EU on the third energy package. It is possible through Romania, but also the EU must give the go-ahead. Generally speaking, Italy stands behind the southern corridor (Bulgaria or Turkey). Therefore, their Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is outraged by the sanctions and EU policies on the Russian Federation. The French are behind her. Here it is necessary to press on them. In my opinion, Rostovchanin, your LABOR will not go into the sand - it is obvious that tomorrow it may happen that the EU does not have enough gas (cheap, pipeline) - the market is too large in the East (China, Korea, Japan, India, etc. .). And as soon as you build part of the infrastructure in the East and gas begins to pump; then these Europeans themselves will come running and beg for long-term supplies and new routes.
                    And now, in my opinion, there is a game of nerve - they beat out the most favorable conditions, while there is no alternative in the East. But for a long time this game will not continue, a maximum of 3-4 years.
                    And finally, Russia needs to do its own gasification. We ourselves must go into environmentally friendly fuel. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, due to gas pipelines in the PRC (those 3 branches I wrote about above), for example, they got the opportunity to gasify the south (about 600 n. Points) - in the south, they have been working in Shymkent for a couple of years, last year they started in the former Taldy -Kurgan region (now Almaty region). They suggested that the Russian Federation extend the Altai gas pipeline to China through us, and not through Altai mountains, and at our expense. We want to gasify our eastern and northern Kazakhstan. And there, and to Central Kazakhstan is not far. So in addition to deliveries to China, Moscow can also get sales at our expense. hi
                  4. 0
                    14 January 2016 01: 56
                    Quote: Rostovchanin
                    Gazprom would receive transit from the Turkmen.


                    EMNIP, not so long ago infa slipped that Gazprom stopped buying gas from Turkmens?
            2. 0
              13 January 2016 11: 19
              Quote: Amurets
              Is it possible that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it turns out that they will leave us somewhere 10% of the gas pipeline’s capacity

              And with the already built Nord Stream and CB2, can't it be similar, but with the existing through the Ruin too?
              I think that, nevertheless, it is necessary to build, and then Europe will have no place to go especially — there will be no Urkain, a new one will have to be used.
              1. 0
                13 January 2016 12: 29
                Quote: Aleksander
                And with the already built Nord Stream and CB2, there really cannot be anything like this

                And so it is on the constructed Nord Stream. The 2nd energy package is operating there. For whom, for what?
              2. 0
                13 January 2016 18: 31
                With Nord Stream-2, the Germans got out of it - they declared this project private, not interstate, and the Third Energy Package is powerless here. But here the Germans are very interested, and the Bulgarians - forgive ... whatever they are told they will do, which is extremely dangerous for Gazprom's investments, laying a pipeline on the seabed costs a lot of money.
                1. 0
                  13 January 2016 18: 52
                  Glasha, I don't want to disappoint you, but Nord Stream 2 is still under discussion, and on the terms of the "third energy package" Yes

                  And yet - pick up, Glasha, expressions - here on the site cultural people communicate hi
                  1. 0
                    13 January 2016 19: 52
                    Sorry, got excited ... And it was necessary to name the second letter of the alphabet? I didn’t think about it ... About the energy package - they’ll nevertheless agree. They will turn around ...
                  2. 0
                    13 January 2016 20: 03
                    PS Gazprom has sold all its previously acquired shares in European gas pipelines (Third Energy Package!) And all pipes connected to the offshore, Gazprom's surface parts will belong to European companies. In Russian, "Gazprom" delivered gas to the Europeans to the land - and there they themselves ... Everything is strictly within the framework of the Third Energy Package!
          2. avt
            +3
            13 January 2016 09: 58
            Quote: Rostovchanin
            and my heart bleeds - I spent two years of my life building it.

            Well, maybe it’s not all in vain, maybe even they will lead to the Crimea for a start, and then we'll see how the chip will fall -never say never againe.
      2. +3
        13 January 2016 07: 05
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        sang to the tune of mattresses now let the paw.

        The author gave the answer in my opinion in the penultimate paragraph. Bulgarians 2 taste "the revival of the idea. They understand that the second branch of the northern stream will destroy all hopes for transit money to hell
      3. 0
        13 January 2016 08: 25
        Everyone sings, and what needs to be hammered at all, one must push one's interests, slowly and slowly, as we say.
      4. +4
        13 January 2016 09: 57
        But what can I say - South Stream and Turkish were good, but probably one more North German (without Poland) everything will be more reliable. Especially since the Hans were proven guys, how many muzzles each other beat in the course of Istria, we already know what to expect from them and what is not very good, in any case not a blow to the back.
        1. +1
          13 January 2016 17: 14
          Quote: Blondy
          in any case, not a stab in the back.

          June 22, exactly 4 hours ...
          1. +1
            13 January 2016 20: 36
            Quote: -Traveller-
            June 22, exactly 4 hours ...

            Then, too, was not in the back. Everyone knew what was going on.
      5. 0
        13 January 2016 10: 50
        They said the South Stream project was closed and there is nothing to negotiate here.
      6. +1
        13 January 2016 13: 11
        In fact, the "touchstone" was the publication in a Russian newspaper back on December 31.12.2015, XNUMX. smile Here, read:

        “Perhaps a decision will be made to resume the South Stream project, but in its limited form. You can call South Stream Light. That is, one pipe will be built to Bulgaria, and then gas will be distributed through Bulgaria to Turkey and Greece, possibly to the Balkans. Naturally, the construction of a large pipe to Baumgarten or branches to Italy will not be implemented, ”according to the NESF.


        http://vz.ru/economy/2015/12/31/785344.html
        1. +4
          13 January 2016 14: 18
          The fact that Europe needs Russian gas is understandable. As it is understandable that Russia needs to sell gas. Each side is trying to reach an agreement with the greatest benefit - it is also understandable - that is why this gas series has been going on for so long. For both Russia and the EU, it is better not to keep all the eggs in one basket, so the pipeline to southern Europe via Bulgaria is destined to be. As for the media sensing, this is how the public opinion of Russians is being prepared before the next turn. And they refer to the Bulgarian media in order not to lose face - they say, the Bulgarians are torn, and we stand our ground (and the "stuffing" in the media was started by the Russian media, see the link above to the newspaper Vzglyad). And in the future, when public opinion is already ripe, it is possible that they will say: "Well, okay, so be it, we will help, let us extend our hand to the Bulgarians again, even though they are so wild." The media "stuffing" is not designed for Bulgarians - Bulgarians have always supported the construction of a pipe through Bulgaria. Such is my reasoning on this issue ...
          1. +3
            13 January 2016 14: 23
            You are a thinking and understanding person!good Respect! hi
            1. +1
              13 January 2016 14: 35
              Takiva mix sie, Bulgaria fellow hi
              1. +3
                13 January 2016 14: 42
                Right si brother! Kato is bulgarite, our friends are dumb! good drinks
                1. +1
                  13 January 2016 14: 57
                  Dumb me! Heide nazdrave! drinks
          2. 0
            13 January 2016 17: 18
            Europe needs gas, but it will be Russian, Iranian, Qatari, Norwegian - this is secondary. the best option for Europe, so that as many suppliers as possible compete with each other and lower prices.
            1. 0
              13 January 2016 17: 31
              Yes, healthy competition in market relations. So Russia insures itself, while acting in different directions, putting buyers and transit countries in a competitive relationship.
      7. 0
        14 January 2016 12: 46
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Why the hell did they surrender to us, singing to the tune of mattresses now let them paw ...

        We need sales markets, or we ourselves will have to paw…. Calls to "turn the taps on" are just empty, groundless chatter. Where will the money come from in the treasury, because the main income is from the export of raw materials.
    2. +4
      13 January 2016 06: 25
      do not mess with the "brothers", "throw" once again ...
      1. +3
        13 January 2016 08: 41
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        do not mess with the "brothers", they will "throw" once again ..


        When dealing with "partners" and neighbors, you need to be pragmatists (do what is beneficial to OUR country). And how and with whom to negotiate and on what conditions is the business of diplomats, lawyers and top managers, who should be "docs" in their field (for example, to avoid such blunders as in the case of a Ukrainian pipe, when accounting for gas is produced at the border between the EU and Ukraine, and not on our territory). Yes
    3. +2
      13 January 2016 06: 33
      To be or not to be?))) I think not to be.))) I think it's just a stuffing.
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 08: 28
        After the statement of Ukraine on the complete refusal to import our “blue fuel”, the risks with respect to the transit of Gazprom gas through the Ukrainian territory increased manifold


        Here is another reason for the EU to meet the Russian Federation, and as this reason will be called Nord Stream 2, Nord Stream 3 or South Stream, it does not matter. The only issue that matters is the understanding of the situation by the EU countries, and there is no doubt that they will find a way out of this situation, despite all kinds of restrictions, energy packages and sanctions. When they get selfish interest, all this chatter does not matter (where only their democratic principles go).
        Gazprom definitely +.
    4. +10
      13 January 2016 06: 37
      After the construction of the southern stream (let's say) Bulgaria will turn into Ukraine-2, also whining about discounts, also external control of the country. Uncle McCain will come to Sofia, say not to pump and the "brothers" will instantly fulfill the will of the top leadership. No, no, she died, she died.
      1. +2
        13 January 2016 08: 29
        This flow needs to be done in parallel with the north 2, especially since there is someone to invest in, and in the south you can solve the issue of construction at the expense of the Bulgarians, give credit and then download it for free until the loan repels, and then let them freeze how they pay and whatever they want do with it, but then.
    5. +3
      13 January 2016 06: 40
      The appearance of such information, in my opinion, is necessary for Germany to actively lobby for the adoption of the decision on Nord Stream-2.
    6. +1
      13 January 2016 06: 43
      Yeah, NATO scammers, can you immediately build a South Stream 3,4,5 ...?
    7. 0
      13 January 2016 06: 44
      Bulgaria, for its part, can declare anything that comes to her mind, since neither the pipe itself will extend from it, nor will it be filled with gas, because there is nowhere.
      Both sides have denied the "duck", so why inflate this topic?
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 07: 31
        Come on, all of you. Russia has already announced, the project is closed!
    8. +2
      13 January 2016 06: 45
      Once you lied to someone who believes you.
    9. +7
      13 January 2016 06: 56
      My personal opinion - I would say: "Guys, since 19 Ukraine, as a transit country, has not been included in our plans. For example, at the moment the volume of gas that pipelines can carry out outside Ukraine is 80 billion m3. After In 19 we will be able to supply you with only those volumes that can be provided by these pipelines.
      and. Or build the missing pipelines bypassing Ukraine (you need it - go ahead)
      b. Or if you want Ukraine like that, then take those volumes of gas that you need on our border yourself and provide transit through the Ukrainian part.
      Blackmail? your problems, we constantly feel it on your part ... lol
      Talk that we need it is essentially treacherous. It's time to develop your domestic market. And nationalize the gas and oil industries. Then the interests of ordinary people will be above the selfish interests of the homegrown capitalists.
      This is just my opinion. hi
      Ps. And then Europe considers itself the smartest and thinks that it has the right to impose its conditions. Let them think ... winked
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 10: 13
        Europe, alas, really considers itself the smartest and therefore does not want to take gas on the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they understand the complexity of the task. And Russia is tied to long-term (for decades concluded!) Gas supply agreements to Europe (that's when it came around!)
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 23: 37
          What is tied can be untied. Our "partners" have shown more than once how to treat various kinds of contracts wink therefore, it’s good sometimes to remind them that we also study well and that national interests should be put above inconvenient agreements winked
          Or at least hint that they do not think that they are exceptional lol ... Let them run. And then everything is possible for them, but not for us. Mess ... laughing
    10. +2
      13 January 2016 07: 01
      Winter dramatically changes views on energy packages. So the South Stream is not yet a corpse. And with the fact that Bulgaria could become the second Ukraine, I agree to all 100%.
    11. +1
      13 January 2016 07: 12
      Why does the press need this, because Peskov clearly said that the South Stream project is closed. Probably the beneficiary of this is Bulgaria, which seems to me to be jealous of Nord Stream 2. How was this one hacked to death and this one unrolled. It's a shame.
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 07: 38
        Quote: Plat5160
        Probably the beneficiary of this is Bulgaria, which seems to me to be jealous of Nord Stream 2.

        Most likely there is a probing of Russia's position in connection with the crisis in Russian-Turkish relations and the Bulgarians have thrown this idea at the request of the EU. And then the EU energy commission will throw a yoke of restrictions.
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        2. 0
          13 January 2016 10: 55
          It is time for Gazprom to negotiate the construction of a gas pipeline to India.
          1. 0
            14 January 2016 02: 00
            Quote: Vadim237
            It is time for Gazprom to negotiate the construction of a gas pipeline to India.


            what route? Through Iran and Pakistan, "tenderly loving" India, or through China, at an altitude of 7-8 kilometers above sea level?
            1. 0
              14 January 2016 10: 11
              Gazprom already has such an option - to supply gas to Pakistan.
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    12. +1
      13 January 2016 07: 35
      Gazprom has long-term commitments to Europeans regarding reliable gas supplies.
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
      What kind of obligations and reliable supplies can we talk about at a time when Europe announced the sanctions of Russia, in fact it is to a large extent guilty of worsening life in our country, is absolutely not a reliable partner. In Russia, there is a huge domestic market and only after solving problems in it, you can talk about the foreign market.
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 07: 48
        Quote: nik1321
        What obligations and reliable supplies can be discussed at a time when Europe announced the sanctions of Russia, in fact, to a large extent guilty of worsening life in our country

        Precisely, Europe and the USA are to blame for everything. especially in the fact that for 16 years, Putin has not been able to truly create an industrial economy, and not run to everyone with his pipes.
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 09: 21
          Putin got the Yeltsin ruins, gangs of oligarchs, a sluggish war on the outskirts and huge debts.
          To create an industrial economy, several trillions of investments, technologies and, most importantly, sales markets are needed. These markets have long been divided.
          We built an aircraft factory. And to whom to sell airplanes? Domestic demand is small. And our airlines do not have money. And the technology is provided by the West - half of the aircraft is actually being built by foreigners. Therefore, part of the income goes there too. Foreign markets are divided between Boeing and Airbus. And so it is everywhere.
          1. 0
            13 January 2016 10: 59
            The priority in the market of airliners will be price - quality - capacity, not only to sell aircraft, you need to create service points abroad to service the sold aircraft.
          2. +1
            13 January 2016 12: 30
            Putin got the ruins of Yeltsin, the gangs of oligarchs, --- Bravo- bravo- and he organized his "gangs" of oligarchs to oppose the Yeltsin's ... I was not mistaken in anything dear Captain Morgan? laughing
            1. 0
              13 January 2016 14: 11
              But exactly he organized these gangs? maybe conditions have been created for raising capital?
        2. -1
          13 January 2016 10: 17
          And why not run if there is something to fill these pipes with? Those who have nothing to fill do not run ...
    13. +1
      13 January 2016 07: 36
      In my opinion, they will build. Europe has no where to go, for a start everything is wandering around, and then they will slowly begin.
    14. +2
      13 January 2016 07: 38
      For the Bulgarians, the train left, which was officially announced by the Russian side. Probably Wishlist warm the Bulgarians soul. But here you are to blame, yourself and now sit on the beans.
    15. +2
      13 January 2016 07: 45
      Uncle McCain will come to Sofia, say not to pump and the "brothers" will instantly fulfill the will of the top leadership. No, no, she died, she died.
      Based on such considerations, then no one in Europe can have business with. Do you think the same Germany will stand firmly for its economic interests? After France, I doubt it ...
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 09: 12
        Of course it will be. Germany only in words for sanctions. Economic cooperation is slowly continuing.
        1. +1
          13 January 2016 11: 53
          Of course it will be. Germany only in words for sanctions. Economic cooperation is slowly continuing.
          At the beginning of 2015, trade with Germany fell by ~ 35%; now I think the situation is no better. Because there is already a pipe for the Germans, and the one that is new is already for other consumers, they can be bent and I won’t be surprised if they behave, but this is IMHO. And as for cooperation, well, it continues so far, but machine tools and electronics are one thing, and energy and increased influence in the region of the one who owns the gas hub is another smile
    16. 0
      13 January 2016 07: 55
      The domestic gas market needs to be developed ... and preferably at a pace ..
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 12: 34
        GAZPREMU's domestic market is fundamentally not interesting. The scale and structure of income are incomparable.
    17. +1
      13 January 2016 08: 35
      Well, let's get back to this topic again. Of course, Bulgarians bite their elbows from a missed opportunity to earn money on our gas. We analyzed the situation that arose after the scandal with Turkey, the sluggish construction of the Power of Siberia, took into account the agreement on Nord Stream 2 and came to the conclusion - what the hell is not joking when God is asleep - or maybe Russia will return to the original plan related to the "northern and southern streams ", especially since the north will be. Well, they made a throw-in in the "Standard", look at the reaction, and suddenly it works. Indeed, in this situation, it seems like we ourselves should not return to this topic, but they seem to have taken the initiative. Think for yourself that it is better when you depend on someone or something, or depend on you, plus you have good money. And with a certain skill, you can put something in your pocket. So they will definitely push through this idea.
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 11: 01
        We will definitely not return to the South Stream - Gazprom confirms this.
    18. +3
      13 January 2016 09: 10
      It is necessary to build in Germany the Nord Stream.
      The southern direction is unstable, there are nearby Turks, Ukrainians, and the Balkans have always been unreliable.
      Let Germany distribute.
    19. +2
      13 January 2016 09: 10
      As far as I understand, that South Stream is Turkish, it’s just a smokescreen for signing Nord Stream -2 agreements.
    20. -1
      13 January 2016 09: 18
      For South Stream to be, Europe must be terribly interested in our gas,
      in the absence of competition. Only in this case, perhaps they will go against
      "Older brother".
    21. +1
      13 January 2016 09: 21
      it’s better to play with the Germans and expand the Nord Stream-2
    22. +3
      13 January 2016 09: 28
      Why do we constantly have to choose between bad and very bad? I mean laying gas pipelines. Where is Gazprom's management? What does he get money for? Or there only cleaning ladies buy handbags for 2,4 mil. rub? As a citizen, I ask. Why is "my property" so ineptly disposed of?
      1. +2
        13 January 2016 10: 13
        Well, from the point of view of Mr. Miller’s personal pocket, RAO Gazprom doesn’t even manage stupidly.
    23. +3
      13 January 2016 09: 59
      Apparently until the Europeans themselves reach the point that they themselves need a demon of clues from across the ocean to decide that the project will not be realized more profitable for them.
    24. +6
      13 January 2016 10: 55
      Interesting article! Respect to the author! In RuNet almost no objective materials on this topic! In general, all kinds of hypotheses are constantly circulated in the media, which have little in common with the actual situation. I read with interest and all the comments! Some are logical, others frankly funny! I am not surprised, since even official sources emanate scarce and contradictory information. I myself, have been working for 4 for a year now — you have been working on the technical part of the track on the Bulgarian side. Hello colleagues! drinks I know a lot that the majority of commenters do not even suppose about the project ... For a long time I was also planning to write a article on the issue, but so far there is not enough free time! I will advise all of you that they don’t really believe in everything that they write on the media ... They rave, without stopping! I won’t go into details here. I will say just a few facts. And draw your own conclusions ... 1.The project initially contains some controversial points. They relate to its profitability, ecology, the technical part / specifically marine / political, and the legal part. All these problems are solvable! 2. Huge money has already been invested in the project. It meets the interests of all participants, but breaks the geostrategic plans of the USA and Turkey! 3.Until now, the Bulgarian authorities have not received a single official document from the Russian side on the cancellation of the project, which are provided for under the agreements. There is a stop, execution freezing but not canceling! 4.From the Bulgarian side for the entire period until that moment, work on the UP did not stop even for a minute! You just have to look at the Bulgarian municipal sites and see for yourself. All administrative and design procedures that Bulgarian law provides for have been, are and will likely be. It is unlikely that anyone would spend money and time on such things if there wasn’t any kind of misunderstanding between Bulgaria and Russia at the highest level. 5.Do not rush to conclusions made on the basis of public information buzz! We don’t know much of what and it’s unlikely that everyone will say that to us! There will be more clarity on the fate of UP in late January, when the issue of the project will be considered at a meeting of the Russian-Bulgarian commission on economic cooperation. 6. I wish Russia and Russians peace, prosperity and success in all areas! hi
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 14: 13
        the points are pleasing in their own way, but what happens if McCain arrives again? Bulgaria may become the new Ukraine in the gas issue, and this is already a high degree of risk.
        1. +3
          13 January 2016 14: 39
          "The points are pleasing in their own way, but what will happen if McCain comes again? Bulgaria can become the new Ukraine in the gas issue, and this is already a high degree of risk."
          In all projects from such a mashab, there are geostrategic risks! They are taken into account and the risk level is appropriately assessed. Moreover, for decades to come! The competition has not been canceled! I think the Russian government and Gazprom managers are better at understanding the situation. As for the insistence that Bulgaria could become a new Ukraine, in my opinion there is such a risk and it is increasing in connection with the eventual resumption of construction of the South Stream! In view of the ethnic heterogeneity of Bulgarian society, the United States and Turkey can provoke ethnic bloodshed between Bulgarians and Bulgarian Turks, which is very dangerous! In such a situation, South gas streamwill go to South Flood! On the other hand, if the project is implemented quickly, Russia will strengthen its position and influence in Bulgaria, which in itself will already give a greater share of stability to the Bulgarian state.
    25. +1
      13 January 2016 10: 57
      Quote: glasha3032
      : the pipeline will be built by Gazprom, it will invest huge money, but it will not own it, the pipeline will not be ours, not Gazpromovskaya.

      But you need to do so, if you want to have a gas hub, if you want to receive money for transit, BUILD YOURSELF! Well, at least to the territorial waters of Russia. And Gazprom has everything ready, and the pipes and compressor room are on the shore. There are no sanctions against Bulgarians, access to loans is not limited. If you "change your mind" again, hit your own pocket! hi PC-and corresponds to your "energy packages". hi
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 23: 01
        Bulgaria is a poor country, loan repayment is a stranglehold on the neck for several generations. Next comes Greece, Serbia - also not rich. So Gazprom wanted to build a pipe at its own expense and own it. But Europe is against it and there's nothing you can do about it ... Let them sit in the cold! And winters are not always warm ... Let them ripen for now.
    26. +4
      13 January 2016 11: 15
      Quote: fa2998
      Quote: glasha3032
      : the pipeline will be built by Gazprom, it will invest huge money, but it will not own it, the pipeline will not be ours, not Gazpromovskaya.

      But you need to do so, if you want to have a gas hub, if you want to receive money for transit, BUILD YOURSELF! Well, at least to the territorial waters of Russia. And Gazprom has everything ready, and the pipes and compressor room are on the shore. There are no sanctions against Bulgarians, access to loans is not limited. If you "change your mind" again, hit your own pocket! hi PC-and corresponds to your "energy packages". hi

      Respected fa2998, I want to draw attention to the fact that UP is a project not between Bulgaria and Russia, but between the EU and Russia! For Bulgaria, as an EU member country, the recommendations of the European Commission are binding! If they are not fulfilled, Bulgaria will face a major draft and stop financing. Do not think so naive that the Bulgarian governments, whatever they were there, are so stupid and whether the country has no idea about the interests! EC requirements themselves are based on EU antitrust rules! Although no one can argue that here the USA and especially Turkey have made every effort to hinder the fulfillment of the project! UP fundamentally breaks their geostrategic plans and it’s clear ... they are doing and will do everything possible so that the project does not become. Will the EU hold its position against such pressure, see soon ...
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 23: 03
        Germany then promotes its project, although also in the EU.
    27. 0
      13 January 2016 11: 32
      no south stream agreements. project is closed. Infa has long been confirmed. So do not even discuss.
    28. +2
      13 January 2016 11: 39
      Yes, Bulgaria under the yoke of others! And she doesn’t decide anything. (((
    29. +4
      13 January 2016 11: 42
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      no south stream agreements. project is closed. Infa has long been confirmed. So do not even discuss.

      Let's see if it really is. At the end of the month, a lot will come to light. Ksati, for your information, the initiative comes from the Russian side ... I have at the bureau in the moment, there is a copy of the plan with questions provided for consideration for the meetings of RBEC for the end of January ... bully Of course, I do not say that UP will continue! But the fact that this issue is discussed is for sure!
    30. +5
      13 January 2016 11: 49
      I wonder who minus my comments! Funny even! laughing I’m just bringing you information that you probably don’t know! Like someone or not, it is not so important! I think everyone will be interested to know more on the subject! Minus, what's the point? Does someone else have a psychological problem or what ?! bully
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    32. 0
      13 January 2016 12: 02
      "At the moment, such a project does not exist. It has been terminated. Therefore, there is no topic for negotiations," Peskov was quoted by Interfax as saying.
      The fact that the project was stopped was also confirmed by the Ministry of Energy of Russia.

      what to discuss there. Once we almost started to build. And where are the guarantees that if we start building it, then in the middle of the way Bulgaria will not turn on the back again (obey the EU requirement)?

      what do you have on the table? throw it out.
    33. +4
      13 January 2016 12: 09
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      "At the moment, such a project does not exist. It has been terminated. Consequently, there is no topic for negotiations," Peskov quotes Interfax. The Ministry of Energy of Russia also confirmed that the project was stopped. What is there to discuss. Once we almost started building. And where are the guarantees that if we start building it, then in the middle of the road Bulgaria will not turn on the back again (to comply with the EU requirement)? what do you have there on the table? throw it out.

      laughing laughing laughing good And Putin said ... and Peskov confirmed ... and confirmed in the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation ... And the official documents with the signatures and seals of the Russian departments say something else! At my office, not one document is standing, but a thick folder! I admit, with a high I would throw them all, but not like that! The Russians are angry and my bosses will fire me! bully Ksati, I’m giving you here only information that is allowed for public access! That which is impossible, I will not tell you. Health! drinks Ksati, you correctly quote both Peskov and ME! The project has been STOPPED, but not STOPPED! Do you feel the difference, or maybe I'm translating it incorrectly in Russian? recourse
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 12: 19
        yes, it’s just frozen for a long time this project. As long as the EU does not change its mind. There are too many opponents. And nobody will throw anything away because so much work has been done. It’s easier to put all these folders in a safe and wait for their time. When the EU ceases to depend on the USA, then it will be possible to get these projects and start building.
        1. +1
          13 January 2016 12: 45
          I want to remind the Bulgarian visitor of the popular wisdom that there is nothing more permanent than temporary. And the question on SP-2 will be pushed as Germany satisfying the European boyar. There is nothing to talk about with the Bulgarian government, for they are only a transmission link. request
    34. 0
      13 January 2016 12: 10
      It is necessary to build a gas liquefaction plant and tankers for its transportation. And those countries that will need Russian gas themselves will build terminals for receiving liquefied gas.
    35. 0
      13 January 2016 12: 31
      Quote: pytar
      Do not think so naive that the Bulgarian governments, whatever they were there, are so stupid and whether the country has no idea about the interests!

      But the construction of the South Stream was discontinued precisely because of the position of the Bulgarian government. That is, all the same, it does not protect the interests of its country much sad
      I didn’t set cons. Even glad that at least someone showed the information from that side.
      1. +5
        13 January 2016 13: 03
        Termit1309, I have read thousands of materials in your media. Of these, only 2 were, somewhat ordinary. They also came out of serious sources. I understand, there is probably a good reason to present a certain line of behavior to the Russian public. But I don’t understand the lies that “your” media are pouring about in relation to Bulgaria. As far as I am personally, I am familiar with all the intricacies and problematic aspects of the implementation of the UP project, I can judge more routinely. And believe me ... I have no sympathy for our Bulgarian authorities. Their venality is extremely clear to us. But in relation to the position of Bulgaria on the construction of the UP, the position is not as clear as it is presented to you! You can believe me, or you may not ... They put a lot of pressure on Bulgaria. Fact. But they pressed on in a legal way! As they say in the soldiers' jargon in the barracks - "they were repressed according to the regulations"! Bulgaria CANNOT DO NOT CONSIDER from the position of ultimate counterparties, the main of which is the EU! The EC's report was sent to Bulgaria and SHE SHOULD FULFILL IT, whether we like it or not! Putin simply used situations to get out of the project, which at that time became a risky one of many other factors! Moreover, it was beneficial for everyone / the EU and Russia / to blame Bulgaria for the failure! Let's think about it, but honestly! I'll give you such an example ... There is a PRODUCT SELLER / RUSSIA /, est PRODUCT BUYER / EU /, there is also a TRUCK / BULGARIA / which will transport goods from the SELLER to the BUYER! And now the BUYER says - I will buy the product under those and those conditions! Otherwise I will not buy it! The SELLER, for his part, says we don’t like your conditions, we are stopping the deal! And who is to blame ??? TRUCK??? Do not you think illogical ??? What should he do? Invest your money, loads the goods that the BUYER does not want to buy under those and those conditions ... And what will happen with the goods ?? Let's think like adults! It is certainly beneficial for the TRUCKER that the SELLER and the BUYER agree so that he can earn from transit, but he is not the party! The EU and Russia will agree, the project will be! Do not agree, there will be no project! And here is Bulgaria ?!
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 23: 08
          Well, they pushed for Bulgaria, so what to do? Nothing can be done ... South Stream is over. ALL !
    36. +3
      13 January 2016 12: 43
      Quote: tan0472
      It is necessary to build a gas liquefaction plant and tankers for its transportation. And those countries that will need Russian gas themselves will build terminals for receiving liquefied gas.

      Liquefied gas always comes out more expensive! Of course, if there is no other possibility and this is a variant! But the possibilities for delivery through pipelines, while there are also preferred for all.
    37. 0
      13 January 2016 13: 19
      Quote: pytar
      And here is Bulgaria ?!

      Other trucks, Germany and Turkey, this did not stop. SP-2 will be built. And about the barracks. Other countries Hungary, Poland, let this pressure, albeit on other issues (Emigrants) successfully resist.
      The position is not our fault ... we were ordered .... we live in the barracks. Have you been dragged there by force? If you leave, they will shoot you?
    38. +5
      13 January 2016 13: 54
      Quote: Termit1309
      Quote: pytar
      And here is Bulgaria ?!

      Other trucks, Germany and Turkey, this did not stop. SP-2 will build. And about the barracks. Other countries Hungary, Poland, let this pressure, let it be on other issues (Emigrants) successfully resist. The position is not to blame, we ... we were ordered .... we live in the barracks. Have you been dragged there by force? If you leave, they will shoot you?

      Germany is not a truck, but a buyer. The main one. She is one of those who determine the rules. Turkey and the buyer and the truck! And hiding, it seems to me that her truck broke down a little ... Moreover, dear, Turkey is not a member of the EU and the EC is not a decree for her! The border between Bulgaria and Turkey is the border between the EU and Turkey. Again, what difference do you feel? About Hungary and about Polsh, what can I say ?! For some questions they resist, for others they are initiating ... Everything is different and there is nothing to compare. There is no need to put everything under one hood! Bulgaria, for example, has a position close to Polskaya on the issue of refugees. Who both understands their interests and pursues them. A hint about Bulgaria’s withdrawal from the EU, I understand and really have such public moods in our society. They are getting stronger, but it’s too early to think about it. You see ... EU membership has both negative and positive countries. In the same spirit, not only crawl on the pros, but you have to take some negative. Nothing in this world is just black and white!
    39. 0
      13 January 2016 13: 55
      pytar:
      Many letters have one result:
      Bulgaria is to blame for the closure of South Stream.

      If Germany is also interested in Russian gas, then it is also with Russian gas).
      And despite the presence of Amer military bases on its territory.
    40. +3
      13 January 2016 14: 16
      Quote: AlexArt
      pytar:
      A lot of letters, the result is the same: Bulgaria is to blame for the closure of South Stream. If the same Germany is interested in Russian gas, then it is also with Russian gas). And despite the presence of amer military bases on its territory.

      But who does not want to know, emu and write a lot and a little, only zero ... laughing Are you able or not to accept a different point of view? According to your "there is only one truth and it is mine"! laughing laughing laughing Funny guys you ... Come on! Believe what you want! laughing drinks
    41. +2
      13 January 2016 14: 32
      There is even less hope for Bulgarians than for Ukraine. They will also steal and betray. Therefore, it is much safer to deal with a more or less independent country - Germany, and its economy is not like the Bulgarian one. I think Nord Stream 2 is the best option. Just not to get into Poland with pipes - the people are extremely unreliable, they will definitely slip a pig.
      1. +2
        13 January 2016 14: 58
        There is even less hope for Bulgarians than for Ukraine. They will also steal and betray. Therefore, it is much safer to deal with a more or less independent country - Germany, and its economy is not like the Bulgarian one. I think Nord Stream 2 is the best option. Just not to get into Poland with pipes - the people are extremely unreliable, they will definitely slip a pig.

        laughing laughing laughing Bliiin! What connoisseurs here we have! Everyone knows, everything is clear to them! good lol Bulgaria has a well-developed gas transport network! Transit and domestic! And there is enough gas for domestic use! Have you ever heard somewhere that Bulgaria is stealing gas from someone else ???? fool Ksati networks have long been built with the participation of Russian capital! They are essentially Russian. If someone starts to steal, then we will not! laughing
    42. +2
      13 January 2016 14: 34
      Quote: pytar
      Nothing in this world is just black and white!

      Let's hope that common sense wins and the construction of the UP through Bulgaria resumes. It is beneficial to both Russia and Bulgaria.
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 15: 07
        good That's it - your words in God's ears!
    43. 0
      13 January 2016 16: 41
      Peskov - Putin's "voice" said unequivocally: "The South Stream project is no more!" And why procrastinate the topic?
      1. -1
        13 January 2016 17: 21
        OK, the South Stream Project is gone! On the agenda is the Balkan gas storage project with a Russian pipe to Varna smile
    44. 0
      13 January 2016 17: 22
      Neither Gazprom nor Russia has so much money to build the Nord Stream-2, the Power of Siberia to China, Altai there - to China, and even this very South-Turkish stream.

      Germany is a reliable customer; no transients; the route has already been laid (surveys are not needed) = Nord Stream-2 is a priority.

      The power of Siberia needs to be built, because this is the development of the infrastructure of Eastern Siberia and the Far East; the development of completely new deposits (Chayandinskoye and Kovytkinskoye), in which fairly decent reserves; it's petrochemicals; helium production; jobs + high demand in China. But China will definitely twist its hands; already, apparently, twists; Yes, and very expensive; is there any such money? Considering the big pluses (development of our own industry, development of uninhabited territories, new deposits (of which only a third of the forecasted reserves have been sold to China), we can consider this a conditionally priority. If, again, China is not stocked.

      Altai is already in doubt; it is an instrument of pressure on Europe by selling European gas to China from old West Siberian fields. In addition, China does not particularly need this gas - they have Turkmen in the same areas. This project is in great doubt.

      But the South Turkish stream in this scenario, I do not see at all. And there is no money, and there are no permissions, and in general everything is doubtful. It’s easier, if Europe already needs gas so much, to sell it from Yamal-LNG.

      And the problems of Southeastern Europe - they have internal gas interconnectors; will receive from Austria German gas received through the Nord Stream-2.
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 18: 03
        And the problems of Southeastern Europe - they have internal gas interconnectors; will receive from Austria German gas received through the Nord Stream-2.


        The problem of the second pipe to Germany is that it contradicts the EU’s desire to diversify 1) suppliers; 2) routes - this will create too close a mutual dependence between Germany and Russia, which under certain fantastic hypothetical circumstances can harm both Germany and Russia - you cannot put all your eggs in one basket! In addition, the second German pipe will increase Germany’s already strong influence on other EU countries, which will upset the existing balance. But there are no contradictions with the pipe to Bulgaria. In the planned gas storage, both Russian, Azerbaijani and local Romanian and Bulgarian gas are foreseen. So I see the situation.
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 18: 12
          The European Commission makes exceptions to the rules when Europe needs it. TANAP is excluded from the third energy package. This is Germany’s problem - whether it wants it or not; wants - there will be a pipe.

          In the South-Turkish stream, there is a feeling that Russia needs it; she constantly pushed. According to SP-2, there is no such sensation.

          According to SP-2, there are all formal grounds for exclusion from the rules - there simply is no other supplier besides Gazprom and never will be - there is no one to pump anything into this pipe. If only Novatek is allowed, it will again be Mordor Russia.
    45. +1
      13 January 2016 18: 03
      Quote: pytar
      UP is a project not between Bulgaria and Russia, but between the EU and Russia!

      So this is even better! If you want to receive Russian gas and make a profit, build together, all the EU, since 2018 Russia will stop transit through Ukraine. Southern Europe does not have to rely on Nord Stream (both the volumes are small and the circle is large). liquefied-need to build a terminal, also money. And let Turkey tankers into the Black Sea? hi
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 18: 11
        So the Balkan gas storage project is already being discussed by the EC (European Commission). We are writing here, guessing. The main thing is that politicians, both ours and yours, discuss and agree on these matters on mutually beneficial terms. I sincerely hope that everything will be ok. Wait and see.
    46. +2
      13 January 2016 18: 44
      I think it is necessary to promptly resume negotiations and start the construction of the South Stream by mutual compromise. It is very beneficial for Bulgaria as a transit country, but it needs to more persistently defend its national interests before the EU! When I was on vacation in Bulgaria, I was convinced once again that ordinary people treat Russia well, especially the older generation, because we are connected by old friendship. And everyone swears on the Bulgarian politicians who broke through to power with American money. A lot of young people are forced to leave the country to work. The flooded fields along the rivers that supplied vegetables to the USSR (who remember the banks of Bolgarplod) are overgrown, the villages nearby are abandoned. I hope that in the near future there will be a party that will begin to defend the interests of its people and will win the elections, and will resume normal relations with Russia.
    47. +1
      13 January 2016 22: 16
      The South Stream was needed not so much in order to sell gas to Europe, but more in order to strengthen its influence in the Balkans. He had to go to Serbia from there - they would be rich, but we have our own infrastructure there. And perhaps protective measures.

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