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South Stream: to be or not to be?

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The media is full of rumors about some "negotiations" between Russia and Bulgaria. We are talking about the "revival" of the project "South Stream". Allegedly, the construction of the gas pipeline may resume after a few weeks. The “information” about this was published in Russian publications from the Bulgarian newspaper Standard, which reported that Bulgarian Prime Minister Boris Borisov “received similar signals from Moscow.” These messages hardly correspond to reality. The Bulgarian Council of Ministers did not confirm the “information” of the media about negotiations with Russia, and the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation refuted reports about the resumption of work on the “South”.




The answer to the classic question in the title is simple and straightforward: not to be. There is not a single official confirmation of “negotiation”. Moreover, there is a denial.

The source of inaccurate (or, at least, doubtful) information was the article. “Restart to week at Yuzhen Stream” in the Bulgarian newspaper “Standard”, where the very first sentence stated: “Moscow is in the South Stream project”.

The publication referred to sources surrounded by Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov. Sources linked the resumption of negotiations on the “South” with the cooling of relations between Russia and Turkey and economic problems in the PRC, because of which the implementation of the Power of Siberia has been postponed.

Some "experts" claim that work on the construction of "Flow" will resume in the next few weeks. Moreover, the “revived” project of the South Stream gas pipeline will somehow suddenly meet the requirements of the 3-th energy package of the European Union.

Recall that the implementation of the "South Stream", leading to Bulgaria, Moscow refused at the end of 2014 year - both because of the unchanged position of the European Commission, and because of this government's commission in Sofia. Actually, if the memory does not change us, even Mr. McCain, the famous US senator, directly took part in blocking the “South”. In June 2014, he is in the company of other politicians from Washington I visited in Sofia. After that, such funny headlines appeared in the Russian media, for example: "How McCain Stopped South Stream".

The “revival” of the gas pipeline project is not officially confirmed.

"We now have no information about this," - said the press officer of the Council of Ministers of Bulgaria "Sputnik", the newspaper said "Sight".

The Ministry of Energy of Russia said that the status of the South Stream gas pipeline project remains the same: work has been stopped.

Thus, neither the Council of Ministers of Bulgaria nor the Ministry of Energy of Russia confirms reports of some negotiations between Russia and Bulgaria on the resumption of the construction of the South Stream.

There is information from other sources.

In the same Russian Ministry of Energy Gazeta.ru confirmed that Russia's position on the "South Stream" has not changed.

Newspaper "News" she made inquiries to Gazprom, the Ministry of Energy and Bulgaria, but she was not answered. But "Izvestia" has its own information about the fate of "Southern".

According to several sources of Izvestia in diplomatic circles, negotiations between Gazprom and the authorities of Russia and Bulgaria have been going on at least since the fall. They began when negotiations on the "Turkish Stream" between Moscow and Ankara were stalled.

As for the European Commission, it officially does not speak directly about approving or disapproving the resumption of negotiations on the South Stream. The press service of the EC newspaper "Izvestia" said that "the European Commission is ready to consider the construction project of the" South Stream ", provided that it meets the standards of the Third Energy Package."

In a word, and things are there.

Until the appearance of the official position of the European Commission on the “South”, the Russian authorities are unlikely to publicly reflect on the prospects for a return to the project. About this "Izvestia" said the director of the energy direction of the Institute of Energy and Finance Alexei Gromov.

“A lot has changed since the abolition of South Stream: since February 2014, the European Energy Union has appeared in Europe, without the approval of which no such agreement will work,” the expert recalled. “Therefore, in order not to break political firewood, Russia needs to begin to understand its position, and only then bring the negotiations to the public.” However, if the European Commission refutes the fact of the negotiations, as well as Russia, then this news This will remain the informational stuffing of Bulgaria, which is the natural beneficiary of all this stories. Moreover, as a transit country for our gas, it is clearly counting on a big discount. ”

Member of the Expert Council of the Union of Oil and Gas Industrialists of Russia Eldar Kasayev said Gazeta.ruthat South Stream is needed: Gazprom has long-term obligations to Europeans regarding reliable gas supplies. “After Ukraine’s statement about the complete rejection of our“ blue fuel ”imports, the risks regarding the transit of Gazprom’s gas through Ukraine’s territory have multiply increased,” the expert noted.

Kasayev reminded that the Russian-Ukrainian transit agreement expires at the end of 2019. At the same time, Gazprom’s agreements with a number of EU countries were concluded before 2035, and even for longer periods. South Stream can be launched quickly, as part of the infrastructure already exists.

It’s possible that we’ll add that Bulgaria, using the press, tastes the idea of ​​“reviving” the gas pipeline. The government in Sofia, without directly disproving an article in the newspaper Standard, must have taken advantage of the spoiled relations of Moscow and Ankara and is trying to cut the coupons that Erdogan would have gotten if the Turkish Stream were sold. Since Mr. Erdogan has turned from a “Russian partner” into an enemy and a sworn NATO member, Sofia has not lost her economic chance, which, with the correct scenario, will turn into a political chance. Europe needs gas, whatever one may say, and replacing Russian gas with some Qatari and especially American gas from shale — the story is very complicated, long and expensive. And Europeans, with their capitalist history, are able to save more than anyone. Especially in a crisis. And Europeans are also afraid of the future gas theft by Ukrainians.

Presumably, the Bulgarian question of the "return of Moscow" to the "South" will emerge in the press more than once. The publication in the Standard was a touchstone.

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  1. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 13 January 2016 06: 24 New
    14
    Why the hell did they surrender to us, singing to the tune of mattresses now let them paw ...
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 13 January 2016 06: 38 New
      10
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      sang to the tune of mattresses now let the paw ...

      Then it is better between the legs. laughing
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 13 January 2016 09: 21 New
        18
        Guys, I don’t know about you, but my heart bleeds - I spent two years of my life building it. You can’t imagine how many Mistrals are buried in the ground, but how many builders have now been dispersed to their homes ... people are sitting without work and at their own expense ... what a shame the hell.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 13 January 2016 09: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          Guys, I don’t know about you, but my heart bleeds

          I read your yesterday’s comment on this topic. You’re delving into this problem better. Will it not work out so that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it will turn out that they will leave us somewhere around 10% of the pipeline’s capacity And the rest will be Azerbaijani and Turkmen gas? I read your comment yesterday very carefully.
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 13 January 2016 09: 51 New
            +2
            I read your yesterday’s comment on this topic. You’re delving into this problem better. Will it not work out so that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it will turn out that they will leave us somewhere around 10% of the pipeline’s capacity And the rest will be Azerbaijani and Turkmen gas? I read your comment yesterday very carefully.

            Of course, no one is safe from this option, because they already accepted this energy package after signing the agreement and the start of construction, but even in this situation, we could receive money for the transit of Central Asian gas, and the transit of 63 billion cubic meters is not a small amount of money. With this option, at least something would be paid back, and money was invested in vain.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 13 January 2016 09: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              With this option, at least something would be paid back, and money was invested in vain.

              I see! Thanks for the clarification.
            2. glasha3032
              glasha3032 13 January 2016 10: 03 New
              +5
              Explain how we would receive money for gas transit when the Third Energy Package clearly states that it owns a third-party pipeline - in Russian: Gazprom will build the pipeline, invest huge amounts of money, but it won’t own it, the pipe will not be ours, not Gazprom.
              1. Rostovchanin
                Rostovchanin 13 January 2016 10: 14 New
                +3
                Explain how we would receive money for gas transit when the Third Energy Package clearly states that it owns a third-party pipeline - in Russian: Gazprom will build the pipeline, invest huge amounts of money, but it won’t own it, the pipe will not be ours, not Gazprom.

                The “third energy package” regulates only the European section, and the gas pipeline running through our territory belongs only to Gazprom, and since the South Stream will be predominantly consumed with Central Asian gas (Turkmenistan is the 4th largest gas country in the world), Gazprom would receive transit from the Turkmen. But these are my own thoughts.
                1. just exp
                  just exp 13 January 2016 14: 09 New
                  +2
                  here the problem is a little deeper, our goal is not to receive money for transit, but not to allow foreign gas to the EU.
                  1. glasha3032
                    glasha3032 13 January 2016 18: 25 New
                    0
                    The lack of foreign gas goes through Syria, and the money for transit is not superfluous (800 million dollars according to Putin!)
                2. glasha3032
                  glasha3032 13 January 2016 18: 22 New
                  +1
                  The pipe passing along the bottom of the Black Sea is ours, but then who will be and most importantly, whose money to build on? Nobody wants to invest (they simply have no money - poor countries). Gazprom wanted to invest, but received the Third Package as an answer. Therefore, the case died out. It is not a matter of the amount of gas. And investment in the European pipeline - they need gas, so let them build it themselves! But they want a freebie ...
                  1. but still
                    but still 13 January 2016 19: 01 New
                    0
                    Glasha, do not worry, "freebies" are not planned. Everyone will pay the bill according to how much he ate, or is going to eat ...
                  2. Jmbg
                    Jmbg 14 January 2016 05: 50 New
                    +1
                    I don’t know on others, but Bulgaria will erase its own land.
                3. Kasym
                  Kasym 13 January 2016 20: 47 New
                  0
                  Just explo., Rostov. Good evening. Turkmen gas practically does not go to the Russian Federation - it goes to the PRC. Through Kazakhstan, 55 billion cubic meters of Central Asian gas goes in transit to China, three branches are built. Between Gazprom and Central Asia, graters began as soon as the gas wars (Ukraine) and Europeans began to introduce energy packages, then consumption began to fall (the Baltic states, Ukraine, etc.).
                  The Bulgarians need to first resolve the issue with the EU on the third energy package. It is possible through Romania, but also the EU must give the go-ahead. Generally speaking, Italy stands behind the southern corridor (Bulgaria or Turkey). Therefore, their Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is outraged by the sanctions and EU policies on the Russian Federation. The French are behind her. Here it is necessary to press on them. In my opinion, Rostovchanin, your LABOR will not go into the sand - it is obvious that tomorrow it may happen that the EU does not have enough gas (cheap, pipeline) - the market is too large in the East (China, Korea, Japan, India, etc. .). And as soon as you build part of the infrastructure in the East and gas begins to pump; then these Europeans themselves will come running and beg for long-term supplies and new routes.
                  And now, in my opinion, there is a game of nerve - they beat out the most favorable conditions, while there is no alternative in the East. But for a long time this game will not continue, a maximum of 3-4 years.
                  And finally, Russia needs to do its own gasification. We ourselves must go into environmentally friendly fuel. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, due to gas pipelines in the PRC (those 3 branches I wrote about above), for example, they got the opportunity to gasify the south (about 600 n. Points) - in the south, they have been working in Shymkent for a couple of years, last year they started in the former Taldy -Kurgan region (now Almaty region). They suggested that the Russian Federation extend the Altai gas pipeline to China through us, and not through Altai mountains, and at our expense. We want to gasify our eastern and northern Kazakhstan. And there, and to Central Kazakhstan is not far. So in addition to deliveries to China, Moscow can also get sales at our expense. hi
                4. Weyland
                  Weyland 14 January 2016 01: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rostovchanin
                  Gazprom would receive transit from the Turkmen.


                  EMNIP, not so long ago infa slipped that Gazprom stopped buying gas from Turkmens?
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 13 January 2016 11: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Amurets
            Is it possible that Russia will complete the South Stream, pump gas into it, and then the EU will introduce some kind of energy package and it turns out that they will leave us somewhere 10% of the gas pipeline’s capacity

            And with the already built Nord Stream and CB2, can't it be similar, but with the existing through the Ruin too?
            I think that, nevertheless, it is necessary to build, and then Europe will have no place to go especially — there will be no Urkain, a new one will have to be used.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 13 January 2016 12: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Aleksander
              And with the already built Nord Stream and CB2, there really cannot be anything like this

              And so it is on the constructed Nord Stream. The 2nd energy package is operating there. For whom, for what?
            2. glasha3032
              glasha3032 13 January 2016 18: 31 New
              0
              The Germans got out with Nord Stream -2 - they declared this project private, not interstate, the Third Energy Package is powerless here. But here the Germans are very interested, and the Bulgarians - forgive me ... what they are told they will do, which is extremely dangerous for Gazprom’s investments, laying a pipeline along the bottom of the sea costs a lot of money.
              1. but still
                but still 13 January 2016 18: 52 New
                0
                Glasha, I don’t want to disappoint you, but Nord Stream-2 is still being discussed, and on the terms of the “third energy package” yes

                And yet - pick up, Glasha, expressions - here on the site cultural people communicate hi
                1. glasha3032
                  glasha3032 13 January 2016 19: 52 New
                  0
                  Sorry, got excited ... And it was necessary to name the second letter of the alphabet? I didn’t think about it ... About the energy package - they’ll nevertheless agree. They will turn around ...
                2. glasha3032
                  glasha3032 13 January 2016 20: 03 New
                  0
                  PS Gazprom sold all of its previously acquired shares in European gas pipelines (Third Energy Package!) And all pipes connected to offshore and Gazprom pipes, parts on the surface will belong to European companies. In Russian, Gazprom delivered gas to the Europeans to land - and there it was already ... Everything is strictly within the framework of the Third Energy Package!
        2. avt
          avt 13 January 2016 09: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          and my heart bleeds - I spent two years of my life building it.

          Well, maybe it’s not all in vain, maybe even they will lead to the Crimea for a start, and then we'll see how the chip will fall -never say never againe.
    2. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 07: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      sang to the tune of mattresses now let the paw.

      In my opinion, the author gave the answer in the penultimate paragraph. 2 Bulgarians will taste the "revival of the idea. Understand that the second branch of the northern stream will damn the hell out of all hopes for transit money
    3. Xergey
      Xergey 13 January 2016 08: 25 New
      0
      Everyone sings, and what needs to be hammered at all, one must push one's interests, slowly and slowly, as we say.
    4. Blondy
      Blondy 13 January 2016 09: 57 New
      +4
      But what can I say - South Stream and Turkish were good, but probably one more North German (without Poland) everything will be more reliable. Especially since the Hans were proven guys, how many muzzles each other beat in the course of Istria, we already know what to expect from them and what is not very good, in any case not a blow to the back.
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 13 January 2016 17: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Blondy
        in any case, not a stab in the back.

        June 22, exactly 4 hours ...
        1. heal
          heal 13 January 2016 20: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: -Traveller-
          June 22, exactly 4 hours ...

          Then, too, was not in the back. Everyone knew what was going on.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 10: 50 New
      0
      They said the South Stream project was closed and there is nothing to negotiate here.
    6. but still
      but still 13 January 2016 13: 11 New
      +1
      In fact, the "touchstone" was the publication in the Russian newspaper on December 31.12.2015, XNUMX. smile Here, read:

      “Perhaps a decision will be made to resume the South Stream project, but in its limited form. You can call South Stream Light. That is, one pipe will be built to Bulgaria, and then gas will be distributed through Bulgaria to Turkey and Greece, possibly to the Balkans. Naturally, the construction of a large pipe to Baumgarten or branches to Italy will not be implemented, ”according to the NESF.


      http://vz.ru/economy/2015/12/31/785344.html
      1. but still
        but still 13 January 2016 14: 18 New
        +4
        The fact that Europe needs Russian gas is understandable. It is understandable that Russia needs to sell gas. Each side tries to negotiate with the greatest benefit - it’s also understandable - therefore this gas series lasts so long. Both Russia and the EU, it is better not to keep all the eggs in one basket, so the pipe to southern Europe through Bulgaria is destined to be. And as for the media sensing, this is preparing the public opinion of the Russians before the next U-turn. And they refer to the Bulgarian media in order not to lose face - they say that the Bulgarians are torn, and we are standing our ground (and the “stuffing” in the media was started by the Russian media, see the link to the newspaper Vzglyad above). And in the future, when public opinion is already ripe, they will probably say: "Well then, let’s help, we will extend our hand to the Bulgarians again, even though they are so-and-so." The “stuffing” media is not designed for Bulgarians — Bulgarians have always supported the construction of a pipe through Bulgaria. Such is my reasoning on this issue ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 January 2016 14: 23 New
          +3
          You are a thinking and understanding person!good Respect! hi
          1. but still
            but still 13 January 2016 14: 35 New
            +1
            Takiva mix sie, Bulgaria fellow hi
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 January 2016 14: 42 New
              +3
              Right si brother! Kato is bulgarite, our friends are dumb! good drinks
              1. but still
                but still 13 January 2016 14: 57 New
                +1
                Dumb me! Heide nazdrave! drinks
        2. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 13 January 2016 17: 18 New
          0
          Europe needs gas, but it will be Russian, Iranian, Qatari, Norwegian - this is secondary. the best option for Europe, so that as many suppliers as possible compete with each other and lower prices.
          1. but still
            but still 13 January 2016 17: 31 New
            0
            Yes, healthy competition in market relations. So Russia insures itself, while acting in different directions, putting buyers and transit countries in a competitive relationship.
    7. Bayonet
      Bayonet 14 January 2016 12: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Why the hell did they surrender to us, singing to the tune of mattresses now let them paw ...

      We need markets, or we ourselves will have to have a paw .... The calls to “tighten cranes” are just idle chatter. Where will the money in the treasury come from, because the main income from the export of raw materials.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 January 2016 06: 25 New
    +4
    do not mess with the "bros", "throw" once again ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 13 January 2016 08: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      do not mess with the "bros", "throw" once again ..


      In dealing with "partners" and neighbors you need to be pragmatists (do what is beneficial to our country). And how and with whom to negotiate and on what terms is the matter of diplomats, lawyers and top managers who should be “docks” in their field (for example, to prevent blunders such as in the case of the Ukrainian pipe when accounting for consumed gas is produced on the border of the EU and Ukraine, and not on our territory). yes
  3. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 13 January 2016 06: 33 New
    +2
    To be or not to be?))) I think not to be.))) I think it's just a stuffing.
    1. user
      user 13 January 2016 08: 28 New
      0
      After the statement of Ukraine on the complete refusal to import our “blue fuel”, the risks with respect to the transit of Gazprom gas through the Ukrainian territory increased manifold


      Here is another reason for the EU to meet the Russian Federation, and as this reason will be called Nord Stream 2, Nord Stream 3 or South Stream, it does not matter. The only issue that matters is the understanding of the situation by the EU countries, and there is no doubt that they will find a way out of this situation, despite all kinds of restrictions, energy packages and sanctions. When they get selfish interest, all this chatter does not matter (where only their democratic principles go).
      Gazprom definitely +.
  4. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 13 January 2016 06: 37 New
    10
    After the construction of the southern stream (suppose), Bulgaria will turn into Ukraine-2, also whining about discounts, also the country's external governance. Uncle McCain will come to Sofia, tell him not to download, and the "brothers" will instantly fulfill the will of the top leadership. No, no, she died so she died.
    1. Xergey
      Xergey 13 January 2016 08: 29 New
      +2
      This flow needs to be done in parallel with the north 2, especially since there is someone to invest in, and in the south you can solve the issue of construction at the expense of the Bulgarians, give credit and then download it for free until the loan repels, and then let them freeze how they pay and whatever they want do with it, but then.
  5. vadgen
    vadgen 13 January 2016 06: 40 New
    +3
    The appearance of such information, in my opinion, is necessary for Germany to actively lobby for the adoption of the decision on Nord Stream-2.
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 13 January 2016 06: 43 New
    +1
    Yeah, the NATO scammers, can you immediately build the South Stream 3,4,5 ...?
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 January 2016 06: 44 New
    0
    Bulgaria, for its part, can declare anything that comes to her mind, since neither the pipe itself will extend from it, nor will it be filled with gas, because there is nowhere.
    Both sides have denied the “duck”, so why bother with this topic?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2016 07: 31 New
      +1
      Come on, all of you. Russia has already announced, the project is closed!
  8. Korsar4
    Korsar4 13 January 2016 06: 45 New
    +2
    Once you lied to someone who believes you.
  9. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 13 January 2016 06: 56 New
    +7
    My personal opinion - I would say: “Guys, since the 19th year Ukraine, as a transit country, has not been included in our plans. For example, at the moment, the volume of gas that pipelines can carry outside Ukraine is 80 mln m3. After On the 19th year, we can only supply you the volumes that these pipelines can provide.
    and. Or build the missing pipelines bypassing Ukraine (you need it - go ahead)
    b. Or if you want Ukraine like that, then take those volumes of gas that you need on our border yourself and provide transit through the Ukrainian part.
    Blackmail? your problems, we constantly feel it on your part ... lol
    Talk that we need it is essentially treacherous. It's time to develop your domestic market. And nationalize the gas and oil industries. Then the interests of ordinary people will be above the selfish interests of the homegrown capitalists.
    This is just my opinion. hi
    Ps. And then Europe considers itself the smartest and thinks that it has the right to impose its conditions. Let them think ... winked
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 13 January 2016 10: 13 New
      +1
      Europe, alas, really considers itself the smartest and therefore does not want to take gas on the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they understand the complexity of the task. And Russia is tied to long-term (for decades concluded!) Gas supply agreements to Europe (that's when it came around!)
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 13 January 2016 23: 37 New
        0
        What is tied can be untied. Our "partners" have repeatedly shown how to treat different types of contracts wink therefore, it’s good sometimes to remind them that we also study well and that national interests should be put above inconvenient agreements winked
        Or at least hint that they do not think that they are exceptional lol ... Let them run. And then everything is possible for them, but not for us. Mess ... laughing
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 January 2016 07: 01 New
    +2
    Winter dramatically changes views on energy packages. So the South Stream is not yet a corpse. And with the fact that Bulgaria could become the second Ukraine, I agree to all 100%.
  11. Flat5160
    Flat5160 13 January 2016 07: 12 New
    +1
    Why does the press need this? After all, Peskov clearly said that the South Stream project was closed. Probably the beneficiary of this is Bulgaria, which seems to me to be jealous of Nord Stream 2. How this one was hacked, but this one was deployed. It's a shame.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 January 2016 07: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Plat5160
      Probably the beneficiary of this is Bulgaria, which seems to me to be jealous of Nord Stream 2.

      Most likely there is a probing of Russia's position in connection with the crisis in Russian-Turkish relations and the Bulgarians have thrown this idea at the request of the EU. And then the EU energy commission will throw a yoke of restrictions.
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      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 January 2016 10: 55 New
        0
        It is time for Gazprom to negotiate the construction of a gas pipeline to India.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 14 January 2016 02: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          It is time for Gazprom to negotiate the construction of a gas pipeline to India.


          which route? Through Iran and “dearly loving” India, Pakistan — or through China, at an altitude of 7-8 kilometers above sea level?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 January 2016 10: 11 New
            0
            Gazprom already has such an option - to supply gas to Pakistan.
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  12. nik1321
    nik1321 13 January 2016 07: 35 New
    +1
    Gazprom has long-term commitments to Europeans regarding reliable gas supplies.
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
    What kind of obligations and reliable supplies can we talk about at a time when Europe announced the sanctions of Russia, in fact it is to a large extent guilty of worsening life in our country, is absolutely not a reliable partner. In Russia, there is a huge domestic market and only after solving problems in it, you can talk about the foreign market.
    1. heal
      heal 13 January 2016 07: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: nik1321
      What obligations and reliable supplies can be discussed at a time when Europe announced the sanctions of Russia, in fact, to a large extent guilty of worsening life in our country

      Precisely, Europe and the USA are to blame for everything. especially in the fact that for 16 years, Putin has not been able to truly create an industrial economy, and not run to everyone with his pipes.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 13 January 2016 09: 21 New
        0
        Putin got the Yeltsin ruins, gangs of oligarchs, a sluggish war on the outskirts and huge debts.
        To create an industrial economy, several trillions of investments, technologies and, most importantly, sales markets are needed. These markets have long been divided.
        We built an aircraft factory. And to whom to sell airplanes? Domestic demand is small. And our airlines do not have money. And the technology is provided by the West - half of the aircraft is actually being built by foreigners. Therefore, part of the income goes there too. Foreign markets are divided between Boeing and Airbus. And so it is everywhere.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 January 2016 10: 59 New
          0
          The priority in the market of airliners will be price - quality - capacity, not only to sell aircraft, you need to create service points abroad to service the sold aircraft.
        2. KBR109
          KBR109 13 January 2016 12: 30 New
          +1
          Putin got the Yeltsin ruins, gangs of oligarchs, --- Bravo-bravo- and he organized his own “gangs” of oligarchs to resist Yeltsin ... I didn’t make a mistake, respected captain Morgan? laughing
          1. just exp
            just exp 13 January 2016 14: 11 New
            0
            But exactly he organized these gangs? maybe conditions have been created for raising capital?
      2. glasha3032
        glasha3032 13 January 2016 10: 17 New
        -1
        And why not run if there is something to fill these pipes with? Those who have nothing to fill do not run ...
  13. asiat_61
    asiat_61 13 January 2016 07: 36 New
    +1
    In my opinion, they will build. Europe has no where to go, for a start everything is wandering around, and then they will slowly begin.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2016 07: 38 New
    +2
    For the Bulgarians, the train left, which was officially announced by the Russian side. Probably Wishlist warm the Bulgarians soul. But here you are to blame, yourself and now sit on the beans.
  15. adept666
    adept666 13 January 2016 07: 45 New
    +2
    Uncle McCain will come to Sofia, tell him not to download, and the "brothers" will instantly fulfill the will of the top leadership. No, no, she died so she died.
    Based on such considerations, then no one in Europe can have business with. Do you think the same Germany will stand firmly for its economic interests? After France, I doubt it ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 13 January 2016 09: 12 New
      0
      Of course it will be. Germany only in words for sanctions. Economic cooperation is slowly continuing.
      1. adept666
        adept666 13 January 2016 11: 53 New
        +1
        Of course it will be. Germany only in words for sanctions. Economic cooperation is slowly continuing.
        At the beginning of 2015, trade with Germany fell by ~ 35%; now I think the situation is no better. Because there is already a pipe for the Germans, and the one that is new is already for other consumers, they can be bent and I won’t be surprised if they behave, but this is IMHO. And as for cooperation, well, it continues so far, but machine tools and electronics are one thing, and energy and increased influence in the region of the one who owns the gas hub is another smile
  16. Darkboy2012
    Darkboy2012 13 January 2016 07: 55 New
    0
    The domestic gas market needs to be developed ... and preferably at a pace ..
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 13 January 2016 12: 34 New
      +1
      GAZPREMU's domestic market is fundamentally not interesting. The scale and structure of income are incomparable.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2016 08: 35 New
    +1
    Well, back to this topic again. Of course, Bulgarians bite their elbows from the missed opportunity to earn on our gas. We analyzed the situation after the scandal with Turkey, the sluggish construction of the “Power of Siberia”, took into account the agreement on “Nord Stream 2” and came to the conclusion that the devil is not joking when God is sleeping - or maybe Russia will return to the original plan related to the “northern and southern streams ", especially since the north will be. Well, they made a throw into the "Standard", look at the reaction, and suddenly a ride. Indeed, in this situation, we ourselves seem to be "out of place" to return to this topic, and they kind of took the initiative. Think yourself that it’s better when you depend on someone or something, or depend on you, plus you have big grandmothers. And with some skill, you can put something on your pocket. So they will definitely break through this idea.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 January 2016 11: 01 New
      0
      We will definitely not return to the South Stream - Gazprom confirms this.
  18. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 13 January 2016 09: 10 New
    +3
    It is necessary to build in Germany the Nord Stream.
    The southern direction is unstable, there are nearby Turks, Ukrainians, and the Balkans have always been unreliable.
    Let Germany distribute.
  19. 72jora72
    72jora72 13 January 2016 09: 10 New
    +2
    As far as I understand, that South Stream is Turkish, it’s just a smokescreen for signing Nord Stream -2 agreements.
  20. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 13 January 2016 09: 18 New
    -1
    For South Stream to be, Europe must be terribly interested in our gas,
    in the absence of competition. Only in this case, perhaps they will go against
    "Older brother".
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 13 January 2016 09: 21 New
    +1
    it’s better to play with the Germans and expand the Nord Stream-2
  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2016 09: 28 New
    +3
    Why do we constantly have to choose between a bad and a very bad option? I, about laying gas pipelines. Where is Gazprom management? What does the money get for? Or there only cleaners handbags buy for 2,4 mil. rub? I as a citizen ask. Why is "my property" so mediocre disposed of?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 13 January 2016 10: 13 New
      +2
      Well, from the point of view of Mr. Miller’s personal pocket, RAO Gazprom doesn’t even manage stupidly.
  23. morpogr
    morpogr 13 January 2016 09: 59 New
    +3
    Apparently until the Europeans themselves reach the point that they themselves need a demon of clues from across the ocean to decide that the project will not be realized more profitable for them.
  24. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 10: 55 New
    +6
    Interesting article! Respect to the author! In RuNet almost no objective materials on this topic! In general, all kinds of hypotheses are constantly circulated in the media, which have little in common with the actual situation. I read with interest and all the comments! Some are logical, others frankly funny! I am not surprised, since even official sources emanate scarce and contradictory information. I myself, have been working for 4 for a year now — you have been working on the technical part of the track on the Bulgarian side. Hello colleagues! drinks I know a lot that the majority of commenters do not even suppose about the project ... For a long time I was also planning to write a article on the issue, but so far there is not enough free time! I will advise all of you that they don’t really believe in everything that they write on the media ... They rave, without stopping! I won’t go into details here. I will say just a few facts. And draw your own conclusions ... 1.The project initially contains some controversial points. They relate to its profitability, ecology, the technical part / specifically marine / political, and the legal part. All these problems are solvable! 2. Huge money has already been invested in the project. It meets the interests of all participants, but breaks the geostrategic plans of the USA and Turkey! 3.Until now, the Bulgarian authorities have not received a single official document from the Russian side on the cancellation of the project, which are provided for under the agreements. There is a stop, execution freezing but not canceling! 4.From the Bulgarian side for the entire period until that moment, work on the UP did not stop even for a minute! You just have to look at the Bulgarian municipal sites and see for yourself. All administrative and design procedures that Bulgarian law provides for have been, are and will likely be. It is unlikely that anyone would spend money and time on such things if there wasn’t any kind of misunderstanding between Bulgaria and Russia at the highest level. 5.Do not rush to conclusions made on the basis of public information buzz! We don’t know much of what and it’s unlikely that everyone will say that to us! There will be more clarity on the fate of UP in late January, when the issue of the project will be considered at a meeting of the Russian-Bulgarian commission on economic cooperation. 6. I wish Russia and Russians peace, prosperity and success in all areas! hi
    1. just exp
      just exp 13 January 2016 14: 13 New
      0
      the points are pleasing in their own way, but what happens if McCain arrives again? Bulgaria may become the new Ukraine in the gas issue, and this is already a high degree of risk.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 January 2016 14: 39 New
        +3
        "The points are encouraging in their own way, but what happens if McCain arrives again? Bulgaria may become the new Ukraine in the gas issue, and this is already a high degree of risk."
        In all projects from such a mashab, there are geostrategic risks! They are taken into account and the risk level is appropriately assessed. Moreover, for decades to come! The competition has not been canceled! I think the Russian government and Gazprom managers are better at understanding the situation. As for the insistence that Bulgaria could become a new Ukraine, in my opinion there is such a risk and it is increasing in connection with the eventual resumption of construction of the South Stream! In view of the ethnic heterogeneity of Bulgarian society, the United States and Turkey can provoke ethnic bloodshed between Bulgarians and Bulgarian Turks, which is very dangerous! In such a situation, South gas streamwill go to South Flood! On the other hand, if the project is implemented quickly, Russia will strengthen its position and influence in Bulgaria, which in itself will already give a greater share of stability to the Bulgarian state.
  25. fa2998
    fa2998 13 January 2016 10: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: glasha3032
    : Gazprom will build a pipeline, invest huge amounts of money, but will not own it, the pipe will not be ours, not Gazprom's.

    But you have to do this, if you want to have a gas hub, you want to get money for transit-BUILD YOURSELF! Well, at least, to the territorial waters of Russia. And Gazprom has everything ready-and the pipes and compressor are on the shore. There are no sanctions against the Bulgarians to loans is not limited. If you "change your mind" again, hit your own pocket! hi The PC matches your “energy packages”. hi
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 13 January 2016 23: 01 New
      0
      Bulgaria is a poor country, repayment of a loan is a noose around the neck for several generations. Next comes Greece, Serbia is also not rich. Here Gazprom wanted to build a pipe at its own expense and own it. But Europe is against and there is nothing to be done ... Let them sit in the cold! And warm winters do not always happen ... Let them ripen for now.
  26. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 11: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: glasha3032
    : Gazprom will build a pipeline, invest huge amounts of money, but will not own it, the pipe will not be ours, not Gazprom's.

    But you have to do this, if you want to have a gas hub, you want to get money for transit-BUILD YOURSELF! Well, at least, to the territorial waters of Russia. And Gazprom has everything ready-and the pipes and compressor are on the shore. There are no sanctions against the Bulgarians to loans is not limited. If you "change your mind" again, hit your own pocket! hi The PC matches your “energy packages”. hi

    Respected fa2998, I want to draw attention to the fact that UP is a project not between Bulgaria and Russia, but between the EU and Russia! For Bulgaria, as an EU member country, the recommendations of the European Commission are binding! If they are not fulfilled, Bulgaria will face a major draft and stop financing. Do not think so naive that the Bulgarian governments, whatever they were there, are so stupid and whether the country has no idea about the interests! EC requirements themselves are based on EU antitrust rules! Although no one can argue that here the USA and especially Turkey have made every effort to hinder the fulfillment of the project! UP fundamentally breaks their geostrategic plans and it’s clear ... they are doing and will do everything possible so that the project does not become. Will the EU hold its position against such pressure, see soon ...
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 13 January 2016 23: 03 New
      0
      Germany then promotes its project, although also in the EU.
  27. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 11: 32 New
    0
    no south stream agreements. project is closed. Infa has long been confirmed. So do not even discuss.
  28. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 13 January 2016 11: 39 New
    +2
    Yes, Bulgaria under the yoke of others! And she doesn’t decide anything. (((
  29. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 11: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    no south stream agreements. project is closed. Infa has long been confirmed. So do not even discuss.

    Let's see if it really is. At the end of the month, a lot will come to light. Ksati, for your information, the initiative comes from the Russian side ... I have at the bureau in the moment, there is a copy of the plan with questions provided for consideration for the meetings of RBEC for the end of January ... bully Of course, I do not say that UP will continue! But the fact that this issue is discussed is for sure!
  30. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 11: 49 New
    +5
    I wonder who minus my comments! Funny even! laughing I’m just bringing you information that you probably don’t know! Like someone or not, it is not so important! I think everyone will be interested to know more on the subject! Minus, what's the point? Does someone else have a psychological problem or what ?! bully
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  32. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 12: 02 New
    0
    "At the moment, such a project does not exist. It has been discontinued. Therefore, there is no topic for negotiations," Peskov quotes Interfax.
    The fact that the project was stopped was also confirmed by the Ministry of Energy of Russia.

    what to discuss there. Once we almost started to build. And where are the guarantees that if we start building it, then in the middle of the way Bulgaria will not turn on the back again (obey the EU requirement)?

    what do you have on the table? throw it out.
  33. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 12: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    "At the moment, such a project does not exist. It has been discontinued. Therefore, there is no topic for negotiation," Peskov quotes Interfax. That the project was stopped, was also confirmed in the Ministry of Energy of Russia. what to discuss there. Once we almost started to build. And where are the guarantees that if we start building it, then in the middle of the way Bulgaria will not turn on the back again (obey the EU requirement)? what do you have on the table? throw it out.

    laughing laughing laughing good And Putin said ... and Peskov confirmed ... and confirmed in the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation ... And the official documents with the signatures and seals of the Russian departments say something else! At my office, not one document is standing, but a thick folder! I admit, with a high I would throw them all, but not like that! The Russians are angry and my bosses will fire me! bully Ksati, I’m giving you here only information that is allowed for public access! That which is impossible, I will not tell you. Health! drinks Ksati, you correctly quote both Peskov and ME! The project has been STOPPED, but not STOPPED! Do you feel the difference, or maybe I'm translating it incorrectly in Russian? recourse
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 12: 19 New
      0
      yes, it’s just frozen for a long time this project. As long as the EU does not change its mind. There are too many opponents. And nobody will throw anything away because so much work has been done. It’s easier to put all these folders in a safe and wait for their time. When the EU ceases to depend on the USA, then it will be possible to get these projects and start building.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 13 January 2016 12: 45 New
        +1
        I want to remind the Bulgarian visitor of the popular wisdom that there is nothing more permanent than temporary. And the question on SP-2 will be pushed as Germany satisfying the European boyar. There is nothing to talk about with the Bulgarian government, for they are only a transmission link. request
  34. tan0472
    tan0472 13 January 2016 12: 10 New
    0
    It is necessary to build a gas liquefaction plant and tankers for its transportation. And those countries that will need Russian gas themselves will build terminals for receiving liquefied gas.
  35. Termit1309
    Termit1309 13 January 2016 12: 31 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Do not think so naive that the Bulgarian governments, whatever they were there, are so stupid and whether the country has no idea about the interests!

    But the construction of the South Stream was discontinued precisely because of the position of the Bulgarian government. That is, all the same, it does not protect the interests of its country much sad
    I didn’t set cons. Even glad that at least someone showed the information from that side.
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 January 2016 13: 03 New
      +5
      Termit1309I reviewed thousands of materials in your media. Of these, only 2 were somewhat objective. They came out of the serial seriases. I understand that there is probably a good reason to present a certain line of behavior to the Russian public. But I don’t understand the lies that flow from “your” media regarding the attitude of Bulgaria. As far as I personally am familiar with all the subtleties and problematic in the implementation of the UP project, I can judge more objectively. And believe me ... I have no sympathy for our Bulgarian authorities. Their venality is extremely clear to us. But in relation to the position of Bulgaria in the construction of the UP, the situation is not as clear as it is presented to you! You can believe me, but you can not ... In Bulgaria, they put a lot of pressure. Fact. But they pressed legally! As they say in the barracks in the soldiers' jargon - "repressed according to the charter!" Bulgaria CANNOT BE CONSIDERED from the position of final counterparties, the main of which is the EU! The EC report was sent to Bulgaria and IT SHOULD EXECUTE IT, whether we like it or not! Putin simply used situations to get out of the project, which at that time had become risky due to many other factors! Moreover, it was beneficial for everyone / the EU and Russia / to blame Bulgaria for failure! Let's think, but honestly! I’ll give you such an example ... There is a PRODUCT SELLER / RUSSIA /, est PRODUCT BUYER / EU /, there is also a TRUCK / BULGARIA / which will transport goods from the SELLER to the BUYER! And now the BUYER says - I will buy the product under those and those conditions! Otherwise I will not buy it! The SELLER, for his part, says we don’t like your conditions, we are stopping the deal! And who is to blame ??? TRUCK??? Do not you think illogical ??? What should he do? Invest your money, loads the goods that the BUYER does not want to buy under those and those conditions ... And what will happen with the goods ?? Let's think like adults! It is certainly beneficial for the TRUCKER that the SELLER and the BUYER agree so that he can earn from transit, but he is not the party! The EU and Russia will agree, the project will be! Do not agree, there will be no project! And here is Bulgaria ?!
      1. glasha3032
        glasha3032 13 January 2016 23: 08 New
        0
        Well, they put pressure on Bulgaria, so what to do? Nothing can be done ... The end of the South Stream. ALL !
  36. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 12: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: tan0472
    It is necessary to build a gas liquefaction plant and tankers for its transportation. And those countries that will need Russian gas themselves will build terminals for receiving liquefied gas.

    Liquefied gas always comes out more expensive! Of course, if there is no other possibility and this is a variant! But the possibilities for delivery through pipelines, while there are also preferred for all.
  37. Termit1309
    Termit1309 13 January 2016 13: 19 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    And here is Bulgaria ?!

    Other trucks, Germany and Turkey, this did not stop. SP-2 will be built. And about the barracks. Other countries Hungary, Poland, let this pressure, albeit on other issues (Emigrants) successfully resist.
    The position is not our fault ... we were ordered .... we live in the barracks. Have you been dragged there by force? If you leave, they will shoot you?
  38. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 13: 54 New
    +5
    Quote: Termit1309
    Quote: pytar
    And here is Bulgaria ?!

    Other trucks, Germany and Turkey, this did not stop. SP-2 will build. And about the barracks. Other countries Hungary, Poland, let this pressure, let it be on other issues (Emigrants) successfully resist. The position is not to blame, we ... we were ordered .... we live in the barracks. Have you been dragged there by force? If you leave, they will shoot you?

    Germany is not a truck, but a buyer. The main one. She is one of those who determine the rules. Turkey and the buyer and the truck! And hiding, it seems to me that her truck broke down a little ... Moreover, dear, Turkey is not a member of the EU and the EC is not a decree for her! The border between Bulgaria and Turkey is the border between the EU and Turkey. Again, what difference do you feel? About Hungary and about Polsh, what can I say ?! For some questions they resist, for others they are initiating ... Everything is different and there is nothing to compare. There is no need to put everything under one hood! Bulgaria, for example, has a position close to Polskaya on the issue of refugees. Who both understands their interests and pursues them. A hint about Bulgaria’s withdrawal from the EU, I understand and really have such public moods in our society. They are getting stronger, but it’s too early to think about it. You see ... EU membership has both negative and positive countries. In the same spirit, not only crawl on the pros, but you have to take some negative. Nothing in this world is just black and white!
  39. Alexart
    Alexart 13 January 2016 13: 55 New
    0
    pytar:
    Many letters have one result:
    Bulgaria is to blame for the closure of the South Stream.

    If Germany is also interested in Russian gas, then it is also with Russian gas).
    And despite the presence of Amer military bases on its territory.
  40. pytar
    pytar 13 January 2016 14: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: AlexArt
    pytar:
    Many letters have one result: Bulgaria is to blame for the closure of the South Stream. If Germany is also interested in Russian gas, then it is with Russian gas). And despite the presence of Amer military bases on its territory.

    But who does not want to know, emu and write a lot and a little, only zero ... laughing Do you have the strength or not to accept a different point of view? In your "there is only one truth and it is mine!" laughing laughing laughing Funny guys you ... Come on! Believe what you want! laughing drinks
  41. koshmarik
    koshmarik 13 January 2016 14: 32 New
    +2
    There is even less hope for Bulgarians than for Ukraine. They will also steal and betray. Therefore, it is much more reliable to deal with a more or less independent country - Germany, and its economy is unlike the Bulgarian one. I think Nord Stream 2 is the best option. Just not to get into Poland with pipes - the people are extremely unreliable, they will definitely slip a pig.
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 January 2016 14: 58 New
      +2
      There is even less hope for Bulgarians than for Ukraine. They will also steal and betray. Therefore, it is much more reliable to deal with a more or less independent country - Germany, and its economy is unlike the Bulgarian one. I think Nord Stream 2 is the best option. Just not to get into Poland with pipes - the people are extremely unreliable, they will definitely slip a pig.

      laughing laughing laughing Bliiin! What connoisseurs here we have! Everyone knows, everything is clear to them! good lol Bulgaria has a well-developed gas transport network! Transit and domestic! And there is enough gas for domestic use! Have you ever heard somewhere that Bulgaria is stealing gas from someone else ???? fool Ksati networks have long been built with the participation of Russian capital! They are essentially Russian. If someone starts to steal, then we will not! laughing
  42. Termit1309
    Termit1309 13 January 2016 14: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    Nothing in this world is just black and white!

    Let's hope that common sense wins and the construction of the UP through Bulgaria resumes. It is beneficial to both Russia and Bulgaria.
    1. but still
      but still 13 January 2016 15: 07 New
      +1
      good That's it - your words in God's ears!
  43. nnz226
    nnz226 13 January 2016 16: 41 New
    0
    Peskov - Putin’s “voice” clearly said: “The South Stream project is no more!” And why procrastinate the topic?
    1. but still
      but still 13 January 2016 17: 21 New
      -1
      OK, "The South Stream Project is gone!" The Balkan gas storage project with a Russian pipe to Varna is already on the agenda. smile
  44. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 13 January 2016 17: 22 New
    0
    Neither Gazprom nor Russia has so much money to build the Nord Stream-2, the Power of Siberia to China, Altai there - to China, and even this very South-Turkish stream.

    Germany is a reliable customer; no transients; the route has already been laid (surveys are not needed) = Nord Stream-2 is a priority.

    The power of Siberia needs to be built, because this is the development of the infrastructure of Eastern Siberia and the Far East; the development of completely new deposits (Chayandinskoye and Kovytkinskoye), in which fairly decent reserves; it's petrochemicals; helium production; jobs + high demand in China. But China will definitely twist its hands; already, apparently, twists; Yes, and very expensive; is there any such money? Considering the big pluses (development of our own industry, development of uninhabited territories, new deposits (of which only a third of the forecasted reserves have been sold to China), we can consider this a conditionally priority. If, again, China is not stocked.

    Altai is already in doubt; it is an instrument of pressure on Europe by selling European gas to China from old West Siberian fields. In addition, China does not particularly need this gas - they have Turkmen in the same areas. This project is in great doubt.

    But the South Turkish stream in this scenario, I do not see at all. And there is no money, and there are no permissions, and in general everything is doubtful. It’s easier, if Europe already needs gas so much, to sell it from Yamal-LNG.

    And the problems of Southeastern Europe - they have internal gas interconnectors; will receive from Austria German gas received through the Nord Stream-2.
    1. but still
      but still 13 January 2016 18: 03 New
      +1
      And the problems of Southeastern Europe - they have internal gas interconnectors; will receive from Austria German gas received through the Nord Stream-2.


      The problem of the second pipe to Germany is that it contradicts the EU’s desire to diversify 1) suppliers; 2) routes - this will create too close a mutual dependence between Germany and Russia, which under certain fantastic hypothetical circumstances can harm both Germany and Russia - you cannot put all your eggs in one basket! In addition, the second German pipe will increase Germany’s already strong influence on other EU countries, which will upset the existing balance. But there are no contradictions with the pipe to Bulgaria. In the planned gas storage, both Russian, Azerbaijani and local Romanian and Bulgarian gas are foreseen. So I see the situation.
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 13 January 2016 18: 12 New
        0
        The European Commission makes exceptions to the rules when Europe needs it. TANAP is excluded from the third energy package. This is Germany’s problem - whether it wants it or not; wants - there will be a pipe.

        In the South-Turkish stream, there is a feeling that Russia needs it; she constantly pushed. According to SP-2, there is no such sensation.

        According to SP-2, there are all formal grounds for exclusion from the rules - there simply is no other supplier besides Gazprom and never will be - there is no one to pump anything into this pipe. If only Novatek is allowed, it will again be Mordor Russia.
  45. fa2998
    fa2998 13 January 2016 18: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    UP is a project not between Bulgaria and Russia, but between the EU and Russia!

    So it’s even better! If you want to receive Russian gas and make a profit, build together, for all the EU, from 2018 Russia will stop transit through Ukraine. You don’t have to rely on Southern Stream for Nord Stream (both volumes are small and the circle is big). liquefied - you need to build a terminal, also money. And miss Turkey tankers in the Black Sea? hi
    1. but still
      but still 13 January 2016 18: 11 New
      0
      So the Balkan gas storage project is already sort of being discussed by the EC (European Commission). We write here, guessing. The main thing is that politicians, both our and yours, should discuss these matters and agree on mutually beneficial conditions. I sincerely hope that everything will be ok. Wait and see.
  46. Smolensky
    Smolensky 13 January 2016 18: 44 New
    +2
    I think it is necessary to promptly resume negotiations and, through a mutual compromise, begin the construction of the South Stream. It is very beneficial for Bulgaria as a transit country, only it needs to more persistently defend its national interests before the EU! When I was resting in Bulgaria I was once again convinced that ordinary people treat Russia well, especially the older generation, because we are connected by an old friendship. And all curse the Bulgarian politicians breaking through the American money to power. A lot of young people are forced to leave the country to earn money. Flooded fields along rivers that supplied vegetables to the USSR (who remembers the cans of Bolgarplod) are overgrown, nearby villages are abandoned. I hope that in the near future there will be a party that will begin to defend the interests of its people and win the election, and will resume normal relations with Russia.
  47. Ural resident
    Ural resident 13 January 2016 22: 16 New
    +1
    The South Stream was needed not so much in order to sell gas to Europe, but more in order to strengthen its influence in the Balkans. He had to go to Serbia from there - they would be rich, but we have our own infrastructure there. And perhaps protective measures.