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Media: Russia will not supply electricity to Ukraine

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Russia will not renew the contract for the supply of electricity to Ukraine. Thus, another relationship in the relations of the two countries ceased to exist, the newspaper writes Kommersant.




“The Russian Federation is not negotiating the supply of electricity from Russia to Ukraine,” the Russian Ministry of Energy confirmed. “We will not extend it, since it was originally linked to the contract for the supply of electricity from Ukraine to the Crimea.”

“Kommersant” recalls that “in 2014, Ukraine bought electricity from the Russian power system under a contract between Inter RAO and Ukrinterenergo, which operated until the end of 2015, and at the same time an agreement was signed on the supply of electricity from Ukraine to Crimea” .

In the fall of Crimea, as a result of the explosion of power transmission lines in Ukraine, it found itself in an energy blockade, which was significantly mitigated by the launch of an energy bridge from Kuban. In December, deliveries from Ukraine were partially resumed. However, it was not possible to conclude a contract on 2016: Kiev demanded that it prescribe that Crimea is part of Ukraine.

“According to the results of a telephone survey in Crimea, conducted on December 31 - 1 in January, 94% of the surveyed residents agreed to possible interruptions in power supply for three to four months while the second phase of the energy bridge through the Kerch Strait is under construction (planned to be completed by May 1). After the poll, the government decided not to raise the issue of extending the contract on the export of electricity to Ukraine, ”a source in the industry told the newspaper.

“It makes sense to sign it right now to avoid a shortage in the current heating season, but Ukraine has not stated the need for supplies from Russia in 2016,” he noted.

At the same time, according to the interlocutor, "the agreement on the parallel operation of the power systems, under which the power flows in emergency situations are paid, will continue, but the volume of these power flows is usually small."

“1,7 million tons of coal has been accumulated in the warehouses of Ukrainian TPPs with the 2,2 million tons plan, but there are enough available reserves,” commented Dmitry Marunich, co-chairman of the Foundation for Energy Strategies of Ukraine. “The situation is quite stable and better than last year.”

“As long as the temperature remains positive, this allows the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine not to negotiate with the Russian side,” said Marunich. “If it is not cold, we can do without fan blackouts.”

At the same time, the expert noted that “fan outages will not be avoided if the temperature drops by two weeks to minus 15 degrees or below, if there is an interruption in coal supply due to a possible exacerbation of the situation in the Donbass or one of the NPP power outages” .
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  1. Finches
    Finches 12 January 2016 09: 15 New
    24
    To deal with the junta - do not respect yourself!
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 January 2016 09: 19 New
      23
      The junta is smart (Chile), and these are also brainless.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 12 January 2016 12: 54 New
        +3
        The junta is smart (Chile), and these are also brainless.
        Only they all have one end ...
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    3. vlad66
      vlad66 12 January 2016 09: 19 New
      15
      Better late than talking to inadequacies.
      1. Vend
        Vend 12 January 2016 09: 21 New
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        Quote: vlad66
        Better late than talking to inadequacies.

        The main thing is that then Russia does not back up.
        1. captain
          captain 12 January 2016 09: 26 New
          +2
          How did they write on the Buchenwald gate? Sort of ; "To each his own".
          1. Skif83
            Skif83 12 January 2016 10: 42 New
            +3
            Better like this: - Who fought for what! laughing
          2. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 12 January 2016 21: 39 New
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            Quote: captain
            How did they write on the Buchenwald gate? Sort of ; "To each his own".

            To each his
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 12 January 2016 09: 22 New
        16
        They refused gas, refused electricity, are we waiting for a refusal to buy coal?
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 12 January 2016 09: 35 New
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          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          waiting for a refusal to purchase coal?

          Let them buy coal in South Africa or Australia.
          1. Igor F.
            Igor F. 12 January 2016 09: 48 New
            11
            So South Africa just does not want to deal with Ukraine anymore, since it has not received money for the coal supplied. Three motor ships-coal carriers were brought to the port as if on credit, but they did not see a living dough, even six months later .. That is, for them, Ukrainian consumers, it would be more desirable to "get" coal for free recourse ..
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        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 12 January 2016 09: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          They refused gas, refused electricity, are we waiting for a refusal to buy coal?


          The issue of payment for electricity and coal already supplied is being stubbornly hushed up. Therefore, there is confidence that this was done on credit, i.e. is free.
          The Ukrainian Minister Demchishin said that they would pay for electric power someday then not money, and the reverse supply of e-energy. About coal-silence .....
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        5. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 12 January 2016 09: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: SRC P-15
          They refused gas, refused electricity, are we waiting for a refusal to buy coal?

          Deny the widespread use of the Russian language!
          Under penalties!
          I wonder how much mob they have enough for communication?
          1. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 12 January 2016 10: 15 New
            +7
            Quote: Starover_Z
            Deny the widespread use of the Russian language!
            Under penalties!
            I wonder how much mova they have enough?


            Yeah. And who will they fine then? Avakova or Saakashvili, or both together at once at a meeting of the government of the outskirts, when they once again mate? Truly a joke when an ethnic Armenian ethnic Georgian in Russian screams that he is Ukrainian)))
        6. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 12 January 2016 16: 47 New
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          they refuse to trade ... That would have refused their trips to earn money to the aggressor.
      3. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 12 January 2016 09: 45 New
        +3
        That's right, stop feeding the frantic parasites !!!
      4. avt
        avt 12 January 2016 10: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: vlad66
        Better late

        Late what ??? It was necessary to break the network before the introduction of the first two lines through the strait and to extinguish electricity in the Crimea in 2014 ???
    4. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 12 January 2016 09: 20 New
      +5
      At the same time, according to the interlocutor, "the agreement on the parallel operation of the power systems, under which the power flows in emergency situations are paid, will continue, but the volume of these power flows is usually small."

      The presence of such additional agreements can always confuse any business. It is also necessary to get rid of such "loopholes".
    5. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 12 January 2016 09: 22 New
      10
      Russia will not supply electricity to Ukraine

      At last! How much could the government support killers.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 12 January 2016 11: 14 New
        +1
        Well, right. It was necessary to remain people - always and in any situation.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 12 January 2016 09: 15 New
    +6
    At the same time, the expert noted that “fan outages will not be avoided if the temperature drops by two weeks to minus 15 degrees or below, if there is an interruption in coal supply due to a possible exacerbation of the situation in the Donbass or one of the NPP power outages” .


    Too many ifs ...
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  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 09: 16 New
    +9
    and gas? or will we be requested?
    1. Finches
      Finches 12 January 2016 09: 20 New
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      Yeah! How not to help! Each time, the mayor of some Ukrainian Podzhopinsk will personally ask Facebook for help from Russia, calling it an aggressor, and the Russians with small insects ... laughing
      1. Igor F.
        Igor F. 12 January 2016 09: 58 New
        -10
        Not funny! And the common people of Ukraine, having nothing to do with politics, why should they suffer because of the "whims" of would-be politicians?
        1. Finches
          Finches 12 January 2016 10: 07 New
          +9
          This is why the people have nothing to do with politics ?? Who, for example, then is represented by deputies of the local council of Gnechisk when they unanimously decide to recognize Russia as an aggressor? Are not your voters?
        2. avt
          avt 12 January 2016 10: 47 New
          +5
          Quote: Igor F.
          ! And the common people of Ukraine, having nothing to do with politics, why should they suffer because of the "whims" of would-be politicians?

          ,, Simple people ",,, onizhedeti" ....... Indeed, for a long time
          Quote: Igor F.
          Not funny!

          Somehow, the people in LDNR had the courage to organize themselves and, at all costs associated with the revolution, to stand and hold on.
          1. Vovancheg
            Vovancheg 12 January 2016 11: 07 New
            +2
            and the common people of Crimea made a decision and now Crimea is Russia. We’ll sit without electricity, we’ve got used to in Ukraine (90s). rescuing the drowning ... if they (Ukrainians) are not satisfied with their situation, then where are the actions? I don’t offer them to become part Russia, but wait for complete self-destruction?
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 12 January 2016 12: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: avt
            Somehow, the people in LDNR had the courage to organize themselves and, at all costs associated with the revolution, to stand and hold on.

            laughing laughing Yes, if Strelkov had not appeared there, but a battalion of volunteers from Crimea hadn’t come up, and not a "voentorg" with humanitarian convoys and vacationers, the results of their "self-organization" would have been at the level of Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye and Mariupol. And you know this very well, and there ... "Self-organize" ...
            1. avt
              avt 12 January 2016 17: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: revnagan
              Yes, if there weren’t Shooters,

              Well, to begin with, in fact, Bolotov was the first officially on camera, that he didn’t hear that Girkin / Strelkov took the SBU building in Lugansk, again it was not observed in Donetsk, and it was there that everything was decided, just as Girkin was not observed / Strelkova when cutting through the corridor to the border - later came after building Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, without which
              Quote: revnagan
              but not a "voentorg" with humanitarian convoys and vacationers,
              would be simply impossible.
              So there is no need for songs if people didn’t really support it - Girkin / Strelkov would be tied up one time faster than Meshkov during it in Crimea.
              Quote: revnagan
              "would be at the level of Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye and Mariupol

              By the way, the Mariupol men walked like that without weapons, but they really didn't have enough self-organization.
              Quote: revnagan
              would be at the level of Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye

              No.They are a vivid example of what the local elite can do if it does not stupidly merge, but how Dopa and Gepa, under the wise guidance of Beni, organize themselves and cling to power, draining the protest. In Donetsk, Taruta campaign more with Akhmetov thought to fight and overslept power.
        3. Hyppopotut
          Hyppopotut 12 January 2016 12: 22 New
          +2
          "Every people deserves its government"
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 12 January 2016 09: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      and gas? or will we be requested?


      Gas, at least twist, at least vertically, THROUGH the territory of ex-Ukraine will go, this is the interest of Gazprom, and as a result of the state budget of the Russian Federation.

      Another question is whether the junta will buy it, or as usual, which has become a tradition of STEALING ...

      More recently, a loser (in the political sense, with his PERSONAL ECONOMY, he has everything OK) Senya said that Ukraine will not buy Russian gas for $ 212, since "it is cheaper in the European Union" ...

      And knowing that anything can arise in the maidan brain, it is difficult to predict the next steps of the Ukrainian government ...
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 12 January 2016 09: 37 New
        0
        Quote: BDRM 667
        Gas, at least twist, at least vertically, THROUGH the territory of ex-Ukraine will go, this is the interest of Gazprom, and as a result of the state budget of the Russian Federation.

        This is what they use when they bend their fingers. We need the northern stream 2 (like air), and we can immediately forget about these mongrel.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 12 January 2016 09: 44 New
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          Quote: Alexej
          This is what they use when they bend their fingers. We need the northern stream 2 (like air), and we can immediately forget about these mongrel.


          In fact, for gas (transportation), Europe will kick their fingers in the BACK, if it happens now (in winter) with transit ....

          Not much, they can download the rights ...

          And I completely agree with the need for diversification of gas supply routes. The more roads, the better ...
          1. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 12 January 2016 10: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: BDRM 667
            In fact, for gas (transportation), Europe will kick their fingers in the BACK, if it happens now (in winter) with transit ....


            And what will this Europe do? Express concern? Twice gee-gee.
            In Germany, Norway, Finland and so on. the top leadership and the police can do nothing to protect their population from direct violence, and here they steal some kind of gas .. Yes, pooh on this Ouraina and her rabbit, let the people of Europe buy more blankets.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 12 January 2016 10: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: Corsair0304
              And what will this Europe do? Express concern? Twice gee-gee.


              This is for us, "Gee-gee", although it is noticeably a loss of money for gas supplies to Europe ...

              But for UKRAINE (I wrote about it yes ), "Europe's concern" about the disruption of transit will result in bitter tears of finally lost handouts, without which ...
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 12 January 2016 12: 17 New
            -1
            Quote: BDRM 667
            Actually, for gas (transportation), Europe will kick their fingers in the BACK,

            So you yourself understand that gas theft by the Ukrainian side is not possible, but at the same time, by the post above, you claim that such theft has become a tradition?
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            2. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 12 January 2016 12: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: revnagan
              So you yourself understand that gas theft by the Ukrainian side is not possible, but at the same time, by the post above, you claim that such theft has become a tradition?


              Well you know ...

              The difference between the theft (partial selection), and the complete termination of transit, must be felt.

              And besides, the "tradition" was cut short quite recently, when Kiev was planted on prepayment and completely hooked on Euro loans ...

              And as soon as the cornucopia of eurocredits runs out, in the absence of Russian gas purchases, dill will return to this practice.
              And then, Europe is freezing, or deal with your wards little animals ...
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 12 January 2016 15: 19 New
                0
                Quote: BDRM 667
                The difference between the theft (partial selection), and the complete termination of transit, must be felt.

                But did Ukraine give rise to Europe to worry about the disruption of transit due to theft? It seems that the EU does not even complain about theft.
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      2. revnagan
        revnagan 12 January 2016 12: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: BDRM 667
        or as usual, which has become a tradition of STEALING ...

        Well, if gas thefts by the Ukrainian side have already become a tradition, could you provide evidence of theft? For example, a link to complaints from the EU about gas shortages when leaving the Ukrainian gas transportation system? And before that, your words are just slander.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 12 January 2016 12: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: revnagan
          Well, if the theft of gas by the Ukrainian side has already become a tradition, could you provide evidence of theft? For example, a link to complaints from the EU about gas shortages when leaving the Ukrainian gas transmission system?And before that, your words are just slander.


          Well, if the Ukrainian authorities (the past cherished nationalism), and the current, raised him to the rank of nat. politicians, you can still slander, then you, with your statement, are simply a lawyer of the Devil ...
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 12 January 2016 15: 08 New
            0
            [/ Quote]
            Yes, I’m like this: annoying bore. Well, now let's restore justice:
            p.1 Where did I talk about the theft of gas by the "Ukrainian authorities"?
            p.2 Where did I say that you slander THE AUTHORITY?
            Clause 3 Where is all the same a reference to the fact that Ukraine (not the authorities !!! although ... even the authorities) steals Russian gas when it is transit to the EU through Ukraine?
            By the way, you don’t even need to slander the Ukrainian authorities - just tell and show people the truth about what it is doing, but you need to do it smartly so that there is nothing to dig into and you don’t have to blush yourself for your clumsy work.
      3. mitrich
        mitrich 12 January 2016 14: 13 New
        0
        Explain to me the dark: how can gas from Europe be cheaper than direct deliveries from the Russian Federation, if it comes to us from the same Europe, and even from the Norwegians, and there it is, a priori, more expensive. How can this be?
      4. mitrich
        mitrich 12 January 2016 14: 13 New
        0
        Explain to me the dark: how can gas from Europe be cheaper than direct deliveries from the Russian Federation, if it comes to us from the same Europe, and even from the Norwegians, and there it is, a priori, more expensive. How can this be?
    3. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 09: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      and gas? or will we be requested?

      Andrey, deliveries to Ukraine were minimal and then during peak periods, with the cessation of deliveries to the Crimea, this will practically compensate for the difference, further. -does not matter
      1. Truth
        Truth 12 January 2016 09: 42 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        there is no shortage of electric energy in Ukraine

        Well, yes, of course, it will be more visible from Haifa, which is enough in / in Ukraine ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 10: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Truth
          Quote: atalef
          there is no shortage of electric energy in Ukraine

          Well, yes, of course, it will be more visible from Haifa, which is enough in / in Ukraine ...

          And on the topic there is something to say?
      2. user1212
        user1212 12 January 2016 10: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Andrey, deliveries to Ukraine were minimal and then during peak periods, with the cessation of deliveries to the Crimea, this will practically compensate for the difference, further. -does not matter

        Do you really think that there is a separate switch in Ukraine with the inscription "Donbass"? lol
        It is not the loss of Crimea that compensates for the difference, but the loss of Crimea И overall decrease in electricity consumption in the country. What is the reason for this decline, I think, no need to explain. However, there was no balance in the energy system of Ukraine. The system was built within the Union and never assumed to exist separately from Russia. Since then, little has changed. If in Russia the system was rebuilt, including more than a year of work going in the Crimea, in Ukraine little has been done in this direction. As a result, somewhere there is an excess, and somewhere a disadvantage (as an example, the Kherson region, where, before the undermining of the power lines, in part, electricity was supplied from the Crimea). Moreover, consumption is falling more than the cost of production, which will inevitably lead to a new increase in tariffs. Here is such a change
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 11: 00 New
          -3
          Quote: user1212
          Do you really think that there is a separate switch in Ukraine with the inscription "Donbass"?

          Of course, paying off a couple of three key substations is not a big deal.
          Quote: user1212
          It is not the loss of Crimea that compensates for the difference, but the loss of Crimea AND the overall reduction in electricity consumption in the country

          What's the difference ? There is no shortage of electricity in Ukraine

          Quote: user1212
          However, there was no balance in the power system of Ukraine

          those. ? Only please with confirmation, I'm still an energy engineer
          Quote: user1212
          . The system was built within the Union and never assumed to exist separately from Russia

          Storyteller: You do not understand anything in power systems
          Quote: user1212
          If in Russia the system was rebuilt, including more than a year of work going in the Crimea, in Ukraine little has been done in this direction. As a result, somewhere there is an excess, and somewhere a disadvantage (as an example, the Kherson region, where, before the undermining of the power lines, in part, electricity was supplied from the Crimea). Moreover, consumption is falling more than the cost of production, which will inevitably lead to a new increase in tariffs. Here is such a change

          Blah blah blah - bullshit.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 12 January 2016 12: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: user1212
          an example is the Kherson region, where, before undermining the power transmission line, partially, electricity was supplied from the Crimea)

          laughing That is, in the Crimea, so much electricity is generated that the Kherson region was supplied from there? And where did it go in the Crimea AFTER the power line was blown up? After all, now it is not necessary to submit anything to the Kherson region? Or maybe it would be more correct to understand the issue and write that After the terrorist attack on the power transmission line, there was simply nowhere to go, and the Ukrainian side had to "cut down" the power block in an emergency manner, which is why part of the Kherson region was left without electricity. Otherwise, you will add that Crimea supplied fresh water to the Dnieper. wassat
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 12: 41 New
            0
            Quote: revnagan
            the fact that after the terrorist attack on the power transmission line, there was simply nowhere to go, and the Ukrainian side had to "cut down" the power block in an emergency manner, which is why part of the Kherson region was left without electricity

            No, it is likely that the LEP loopback to Kherson was passing through the Crimea.
            And in Kherson there were power outages not because of a lack of generating capacities, but because of the disconnection of power lines.
          2. atalef
            atalef 12 January 2016 12: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            the fact that after the terrorist attack on the power transmission line, there was simply nowhere to go, and the Ukrainian side had to "cut down" the power block in an emergency manner, which is why part of the Kherson region was left without electricity

            No, it is likely that the LEP loopback to Kherson was passing through the Crimea.
            And in Kherson there were power outages not because of a lack of generating capacities, but because of the disconnection of power lines.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 January 2016 09: 17 New
    +7
    Yeah, let Natsik turn the dynamo by hand! fellow laughing fellow
    1. drundel861
      drundel861 12 January 2016 09: 42 New
      +1
      Well, why is there no experience with gantries to ride there, and to turn a car dynamo so it should be in the blood laughing
  5. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 12 January 2016 09: 19 New
    +1
    Usually this behavior occurs in kindergarten. . . when these states come out of their little pants. Stop screaming. Mom offended me, mom is bad.
    1. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 12 January 2016 09: 25 New
      +1
      Only if dad does not incite hatred of mom. Or, as in our case, the stepfather ... winked
  6. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 January 2016 09: 20 New
    +7
    Well, that’s already a real change in Ukraine. Congratulations fellow
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 09: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Well, that’s already a real change in Ukraine. Congratulations fellow

      Sanya, ask yourself why there are no figures in the article — the number of GW / h of energy supplied to Ukraine?
      Because no, the numbers are just ridiculous, and it sounds beautiful.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 12 January 2016 09: 55 New
        +1
        .... Sanya, ask yourself why in the article there are no figures - the number of GW / h of energy supplied to Ukraine?
        Because no, the numbers are just ridiculous, and it sounds beautiful ....

        .... The numbers were earlier .... Shipped about 2 times more than the Crimea consumed (i.e. around 2ggw, as far as I remember ..) ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 10: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          .... Sanya, ask yourself why in the article there are no figures - the number of GW / h of energy supplied to Ukraine?
          Because no, the numbers are just ridiculous, and it sounds beautiful ....

          .... The numbers were earlier .... Shipped about 2 times more than the Crimea consumed (i.e. around 2ggw, as far as I remember ..) ...

          Check the electricity generation in Ukraine and compare with the figures - this is less than 1.2%. And with Crimea (more precisely, without) - the total volume of purchases is 0.6% of the total electricity production in Ukraine - nothing to say, deliveries from Russia were only needed sometimes for damping peak loads during peak hours or accidents of large power units, as I said, there is no role in stopping supplies today in Ukraine’s power industry
          1. user1212
            user1212 12 January 2016 10: 58 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Check the electricity production in Ukraine and compare with the figures - this is less than 1.2% .a with the Crimea (more precisely, without)

            According to Marunich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxLh7RShm0A) all of Ukraine (without Crimea) consumes 19.5 GW in summer. How do you 2 GW is 1-2% of 20 GW ???
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 11: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: user1212
              Quote: atalef
              Check the electricity production in Ukraine and compare with the figures - this is less than 1.2% .a with the Crimea (more precisely, without)

              According to Marunich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxLh7RShm0A) all of Ukraine (without Crimea) consumes 19.5 GW in summer. How do you 2 GW is 1-2% of 20 GW ???

              in my opinion we are talking about annual deliveries .-- this time, well, then
              Electricity consumption in Ukraine in January-October 2015, taking into account technological losses in the networks -123 billion 533,7 million kWh

              that is, without 2 months (winter), that is, at least 15% can be added to this figure, i.e. 123 GW / h; well, add 15% 140 GW / h.
              Now how much of this part is 1 GW / h supplied by Russia?
              Count yourself?
              Respectfully, as always
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          2. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 12 January 2016 12: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            Deliveries from Russia were only required sometimes to dampen peak loads during peak hours or accidents of large power units — as I said, there is no role in supplying electricity to Ukraine today.


            Most likely it is, taking into account the concept of the Unified Energy System of the USSR, in which the "overflow" compensated for certain needs of energy regions.

            But with regard to Ukraine, as an extremely unstable object, it is impossible to make such long-term forecasts as "today" ...

            Maximum, "for the last hour" yes

            If there is an interruption with coal from the DPR for any reason, for example, the resumption of the database by some crazy Bandera battalions, AND EVERYTHING.
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 12: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: BDRM 667
              If there is an interruption with coal from the DPR for any reason, for example, the resumption of the database by some crazy Bandera battalions, AND EVERYTHING

              Why all ? It seems that all the generating capacities of Ukraine are located in the Donbass?
              There is an alternative to Donbass coal, but what is the alternative to stopping the supply of electricity (from Ukrenergo) to Donbass - which
              1. BDRM 667
                BDRM 667 12 January 2016 12: 28 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Why all ? It seems that all the generating capacities of Ukraine are located in the Donbass?
                There is an alternative to Donbass coal, but what is the alternative to stopping the supply of electricity (from Ukrenergo) to Donbass - which

                That bifurcated you, then ...
                I don’t know which of the posts to answer ...

                An alternative to the power supply of the UNOFFOLDED PART of the DPR and LPR are its own generating capacities in the DPR (at least two) (I don't know about Lugansk, besides the Schastye CHPP), but there is also an alternative in the form of an overflow from the RF power system through the constructed power transmission line, and from Schastinskaya, the ill-fated CHP, is powered by both LPR and NP controlled by the junta ...

                It turns out that no one is ready to sacrifice this source of energy supply, especially the LPR militia.

                Otherwise, the thermal power station would have long passed under the control of the republic, but it had already been DESTROYED, since the National Battalions had MINED it and threatened to undermine it in any attempt to assault.

                And Ukraine, as a bankrupt state, will have at least difficulties in acquiring coal, for example, in the same South Africa.
            2. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 12: 07 New
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              Quote: BDRM 667
              If there is an interruption with coal from the DPR for any reason, for example, the resumption of the database by some crazy Bandera battalions, AND EVERYTHING

              Why all ? It seems that all the generating capacities of Ukraine are located in the Donbass?
              There is an alternative to Donbass coal, but what is the alternative to stopping the supply of electricity (from Ukrenergo) to Donbass - which
        2. anfil
          anfil 12 January 2016 10: 34 New
          +3
          At the same time, according to the interlocutor, "the agreement on the parallel operation of the power systems, under which the power flows in emergency situations are paid, will continue, but the volume of these power flows is usually small."

          aleks 62 next UA
          .... The numbers were earlier .... Shipped about 2 times more than the Crimea consumed (i.e. around 2ggw, as far as I remember ..) ...

          I wouldn’t say so. Go to the Wholesale Electricity and Power Market website and you will see the opposite.

          The flow to Ukraine today in 6: 00 Moscow time. amounted to - 584MW, on 7: 00 - 570MW, on 9: 00 - 404MW, on 10: 00 - 367MW, electricity is not gas, the crane can not be cut;

          broker http://br.so-ups.ru/Public/MainPage.aspx



          In the right corner, you can set the date and time to determine how much electricity spilled over.
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 12 January 2016 09: 58 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Because no, the numbers are just ridiculous, and it sounds beautiful.

        There can be no mistakes -
        Let the enemy be mistaken.
        He is like a serpent, cunning and flexible,
        He spreads the darkness!
        And we x - Rome only with light
        Out of love and kindness.
        And those who are not sure about this,
        Let them shut their mouths
        That's actually how it is ...
      3. Finches
        Finches 12 January 2016 10: 24 New
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        There are no numbers, because this is not a technical guide, but the Kommersant newspaper with a reference to some source! And the point is not even that the numbers are ridiculous, but that buying electricity in Russia with its delivery to the end consumer was more economically profitable than producing your own! That's the question! For example, Kiev supplies electricity mainly to the Tripolskaya TPP, but there are not so many coal reserves, so you have to switch to gas generation, which is already starting to cost the consumer a pretty penny ...
  7. ded100
    ded100 12 January 2016 09: 21 New
    +1
    Correct solution! Approved!
  8. mpzss
    mpzss 12 January 2016 09: 29 New
    0
    ordinary people feel sorry, they suffer, although MOST have absolutely nothing to do with it!
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 12 January 2016 10: 00 New
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      The people are silent, which means that everything suits him
  9. fregina1
    fregina1 12 January 2016 09: 29 New
    +1
    Actually, for the sake of this, the survey was in the Crimea ....... It was because of the fact that to stop deliveries to Ukraine ....., and this is a real energy shortage in several areas ....
  10. Woodman
    Woodman 12 January 2016 09: 30 New
    +1
    And with the opinion poll it was a competent move.
  11. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 12 January 2016 09: 31 New
    0
    Fascists jumped, now after gas and electricity it will be missed.
  12. sgr291158
    sgr291158 12 January 2016 09: 32 New
    +1
    And what's next, the severance of diplomatic relations. I won’t be surprised.
  13. avva2012
    avva2012 12 January 2016 09: 32 New
    +2
    At the same time, the expert noted that “fan outages will not be avoided if the temperature drops by two weeks to minus 15 degrees or below, if there is an interruption in coal supply due to a possible exacerbation of the situation in the Donbass or one of the NPP power outages” .

    Up to minus 15-ty. People live. We have 30, now it is stable, a little to the north (kilometers so in 60-ty), already 40. It would be like if they jumped, and you can live like that.
    But, in my opinion, electricity seems to be, it’s not only the heat in the houses (the heat is supplied to the houses by thermal power plants, mainly). And what about industrial enterprises? Is the girl warm to you ... belay
  14. Gray 43
    Gray 43 12 January 2016 09: 34 New
    +2
    As the patient of the country-clinic said to the entire Internet, "In a year you will not recognize Ukraine," and he did not deceive, we will not recognize it.
  15. Dam
    Dam 12 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +3
    It is not entirely clear why it was originally intended to support the Jewish anti-Russian gang in the power of the Outskirts.
  16. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 January 2016 09: 47 New
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    Quote: mpzss
    ordinary people feel sorry, they suffer, although MOST have absolutely nothing to do with it!


    Well, what kind of character do we have? They spit on us, insult us, pour tons of slop, as long as we haven’t heard lies to ourselves, and we all continue to regret everyone, how ordinary people suffer, starve, freeze. Maybe enough to regret, let them regret themselves. We would have pity the poor and the orphans.
  17. Velizariy
    Velizariy 12 January 2016 09: 53 New
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    Quote: captain
    How did they write on the Buchenwald gate? Sort of ; "To each his own".

    This was said and written by others elsewhere. And on the gate of Buchenwald it is written: "Work makes you free."
  18. nemec55
    nemec55 12 January 2016 10: 07 New
    0
    Shit scum and dump a hundred pounds But we residents of Siberia, the East, the Urals to disentangle. This crap brain of dill will spoil us for a very long time and neither time nor prudence will help. Ukraine will come to what will again be like under Kuchma Yushchenko Yanukovych (to receive free grub from the Russian Federation at the expense of the people of the Russian Federation) And ours will again be silent for the stolen gas that will and so go for free
  19. avva2012
    avva2012 12 January 2016 10: 08 New
    0
    "In 2014, Ukraine purchased electricity from the Russian energy system under a contract between Inter RAO and Ukrinterenergo, which was in effect until the end of 2015, and at the same time an agreement was signed with it on the supply of electricity from Ukraine to Crimea."

    Everything is logical. They supplied electricity, because, it was necessary to supply the Crimea. After the blown power lines, we ourselves will. So, let them say thanks to the Majlis. I doubt that the actions of these gavriks were initiated from above.
  20. Dave36
    Dave36 12 January 2016 10: 16 New
    0
    What's so good about it? Huge money in the country's budget - minus. The junta is a fig ... We recognized Poroshenko off. So they recognized the regime, why talk. Vova is slowly starting to hand over the back one, only Minsk3 is not needed by anyone, not by Ukraine, not by the Donetsk people ... It will cram ... then the fun will begin. The states are handsome ... to lower Russia, they will lower the whole world, they will break all markets ....
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 12 January 2016 10: 27 New
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      States handsome

      And our bar.ans
      I listened recently to Mr. Gref so damn he says the government is working fool
  21. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 12 January 2016 10: 33 New
    +2
    The decision is politicized and economically disadvantageous to Russia. However, in this case, this is a necessary step. If we do not go to the last in the Crimea, then all the losses and hardships that the people of Russia are now suffering will be wasted.
    I don't care much what will be there on the Outskirts and whether the people there will freeze. Friends - a friend, enemies - an enemy. You can’t help and indulge freaks who blaspheme my country, name-calling people (sorry I can’t insert those words - the censor does not allow it) and prohibits the language I speak.
  22. salad
    salad 12 January 2016 10: 46 New
    +1
    And it’s right that there will be no energy supplies! who are we for them? MASKLES! which prevent them from living! let them supply Geyrop with energy resources, because Ukrainians really want semi-arabs to tolerate already))))))))))))
  23. The black
    The black 12 January 2016 11: 25 New
    +1
    Right. Yesterday, the president was square, broadcasting to his citizens that they were finally energy independent of Russia. They wanted to be independent, a flag in their hands.
  24. Chulman
    Chulman 12 January 2016 11: 27 New
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    Quote: Wend
    Quote: vlad66
    Better late than talking to inadequacies.

    The main thing is that then Russia does not back up.

    And here the zlada always comes!
  25. 4ekist
    4ekist 12 January 2016 11: 29 New
    0
    They don’t want to buy electric energy in Russia, and it’s not necessary. Let them buy in the European Union, they say it is cheaper.
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 12 January 2016 11: 46 New
    0
    Again, so much talk about dill ... Will, will not, whether they, whether they ... Yes, we ... anyway! Let them live as long as they can, but we'll see.
  27. iouris
    iouris 12 January 2016 12: 00 New
    0
    This is a strange formulation of the question, since neither "Russia" nor "Ukraine" are economic entities.
  28. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 12 January 2016 13: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: BDRM 667
    Quote: Alexej
    This is what they use when they bend their fingers. We need the northern stream 2 (like air), and we can immediately forget about these mongrel.




    And I completely agree with the need for diversification of gas supply routes. The more roads, the better ...

    And it would be better to get off the gas pipe altogether and develop the internal part of the economy. So that the budget does not depend on energy supplies, but is an application to replenish the treasury.
    If you build a lot of threads, then the Millers and the like will gobble up, and the people who own the bowels and their contents (according to the constitution) will endure raising tariffs for payment.
    In Russia, a huge number of settlements dream of gasification, but alas, selling over a hill is more profitable, but not for you and me.
    1. gergi
      gergi 12 January 2016 17: 05 New
      0
      Miller is a sacred character, they say, he goes exclusively to the golden toilet. The people are so happy for him. And you are so rude to eat fat!
  29. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 January 2016 14: 00 New
    0
    A country that cannot provide its citizens with light and heat is not a state; such power does not have a right to exist.
  30. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 12 January 2016 14: 59 New
    -1
    And the worst thing is that those who should be punished, those who are guilty of the Odessa tragedy, guilty of the war in the Donbass will not succeed in punishing this. They skated like cheese in oil and will continue to lead a laid-back lifestyle. I’m not saying that you need to indulge the boorish occupation government of today's Ukraine, but it’s a pity for ordinary people. Our brothers. Go out into the streets and throw off the junta they will not give militants, there will be a massacre. That remains a simple Ukrainian hard worker who did not ride on the Maidan, but worked for the sake of his family to freeze in an unheated and deprived of light hut. And, I often write about this, the lack of will of the Moscow government is guilty of this, which did not take advantage of the troubles of the 2008 of the year in order to hold the Maidan under its own banners and return our Ukraine to us. We then had an ersatz president a bear, it seems? It's a shame and sad all this.