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Russian ships are going to Syria

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As is known, the Arab League took an unprecedented step: the organization imposed economic sanctions on its permanent member, Syria. The reaction of Damascus was, as expected, extremely harsh. The emotional response of Damascus is quite understandable, - the actions of the Arab League are quite fit to the definition of banal betrayal, which has so often happened recently among the Arab states. In this regard, it is worth noting the following. We often call ourselves the largest divided people in the world, and yet the Arabs can claim this title.

The decision of the Arab League is a clear confirmation of this. The Arabs were as divided as possible. Each Arab state is driven by its own purely mercantile values. The Arab world has long been sold out. In this sense, the position of the Arab Islamists is very nice: they call for the unity of the Arab-Muslim world on the basis of a single faith. No less sympathetic is the position of the Ba'ath Party, which calls for the unity of the Arab world on the basis of the idea of ​​"socialist revival." But unity never happens. This is the main weakness of the Arabs and one of the main sources of instability in the region. The Arabs, representing different countries, do not even have unity on such an important issue for them as the Palestinian one, let alone talk about protecting the interests of a single Arab state in the face of the threat of another foreign aggression.

At the same time, despite the fact that the Western channels are vying with each other about mass protests organized by the Syrians, with unity within this country, it seems, everything is more or less in order. Thousands of people protesting against the imposition of sanctions and speaking out for the actions of their government are taking to the streets of Syrian cities. But now is not about that.

The likelihood of military intervention in Syria increases

As Damascus continues to pull back with the demand to allow the presence of international observers in the country, the likelihood of military intervention in Syria is increasing day by day.

Analysts were divided on how the possible operation against Syria will develop. At the heart of this division of opinions lies a different interpretation of the reasons for the strengthening of the US naval grouping in the Mediterranean. If some experts argue that the transfer of the aircraft carrier "George Bush" to the coast of Syria unequivocally indicates a very early start of the bombing of this country, while others believe that the actions of the United States more closely resemble a bluff.

Whose point of view is closer to the truth, time will tell, but the fact of reaching the extreme point of tension around Syria is obvious. In favor of the fact that the military operation against Syria is not far off, the calls of the US and Turkish authorities for their citizens to leave Syria also speak. Are those who think that the issue of a strike on Syria has already been resolved? However, this time is not so simple.

Recall that a day before the start of the transition of the American aircraft carrier to the shores of Syria, three Russian Navy ships entered the territorial waters of this country. In addition, it became known that in the direction of the Syrian port of Tartus, which is the naval base of the Russian Federation, our aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, sailed. According to some reports, the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko will also join the campaign in Syria.

The nomination of such significant Russian forces fleet in the direction of its Syrian base confirms the seriousness of the current situation. Apparently, the task of our sailors will be to prevent the onset of a new aggression of NATO and the United States. The very presence of Russian ships in the territorial waters of Syria should be the main and only factor holding back the West from the start of a new adventure, which this time may not end in good things, not only for Assad, but for the whole world, including the West itself.

What is Russia for Syria for? Why do we need to help out Assad, risking being dragged into a conflict? - Not everything is as simple as it seems. We simply can not sit aside, finally agreeing to the loss of the status of a great power. The head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Candidate of Military Sciences Colonel Anatoly Tsyganok believes that for a correct understanding of the situation a very important point should be taken into account: now there are several thousand Russian citizens living in Syria. Since the Soviet times, about 70-75 thousands of our compatriots lived there. Another 20-25 thousand people increased by Russian women who were married to Syrians. Thus, the active actions of our Foreign Ministry, army and navy can be dictated not so much by geopolitical considerations, which in itself is, of course, very important, but rather as the need to protect our compatriots living in Syria. Tsyganyuk believes that the measures taken may not be enough. Syria needs help in reorganizing its air defense system. It is obvious that in the case of delivery of the C-300 and C-400 complexes to Syria, the Syrian sky will be guaranteed to be closed for any air operation. We have time?
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  1. ESCANDER
    ESCANDER 1 December 2011 07: 20
    +32
    Yes, seriously. We’d have a good time.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 1 December 2011 07: 45
      +41
      Yes, we’ll succeed, already one thing is worth what, then the necessary guys are already there. Syria, a country we know, is not the first time to tread sand with a boot.
      1. esaul
        esaul 1 December 2011 09: 22
        +9
        Salute, Seryoga! What statement are you talking about? I released something ... Ah, here's the news that Western diplomats are leaving Iran in droves - this is a bell! Hurry DREAMROOKS! Yes, and explosions in Iran, something became more frequent. So, I think, until Syria, it’s not reached yet, which means that ours will have time to reach! In Syria, they will now begin to act according to the Libyan scheme, and this is time and it works for us!
      2. bober
        bober 1 December 2011 21: 11
        -37
        and Israel clicked more than once and the Syrians and you. and deliver. I guarantee that in 3 days this will not happen. And there may be losses from the attackers, but it will be ridiculous losses
        1. Mesniy
          Mesniy 1 December 2011 22: 38
          -37
          That's right, respect.arabov was lowered, lowered and will be lowered, soviet specialists-advisers did not help, where is the rash ...
          1. oper66
            oper66 2 December 2011 19: 47
            +11
            funny what are you doing how do you write in rashka where 90% and why aren't you a stupid person? HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO BE A CRIMINAL THAT YOU HAVE A MOTHERLAND AND YOUR PEOPLE SO HATE AND INSIGN THE HEAR AND YOU WILL FELL OUT FOR A TOGETHER TO A SISTER TO GERMANY there probably need such specialists in the team’s probe, well, you really need to know how much not a fuck - do you want to slip an air pharmacy balloon
            1. Denis
              Denis 2 December 2011 20: 52
              +3
              Quote: oper66
              In GERMANY there probably need such specials in the team’s probe

              with the provocateurs, then everything is clear, but about Germany, in my opinion in vain, they took a sip of their own and long ago made conclusions
              it seems they’ve even done too much, the Turks live there quite freely and at times the very same teams there are clearly not enough
      3. BYRY
        BYRY 2 December 2011 03: 22
        +5
        My battalion commander had a Syrian medal for serving in Syria. Somewhere in the area of ​​the Dutch Heights. He said that when the Phantoms fired on them, the calculations were almost two times higher than the standards. He served on the S-200.
        1. J_silver
          J_silver 2 December 2011 09: 47
          -6
          So in Syria the Golan Heights, the Dutch Heights, even in Holland do not ...
      4. mark021105
        mark021105 3 December 2011 22: 49
        +1
        Maybe the ships went for it? I mean with a cargo in the holds ...
    2. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 1 December 2011 09: 08
      +15
      What does it mean we have time or not. We must be in time. And if they have problems with the observers, toss them an airborne Tula. Let them watch. Or someone else.
      1. Gerasim
        Gerasim 1 December 2011 09: 23
        +9
        Tula landing exclusively for the protection of Moscow from all kinds of GKChP!
        I think that the forces of the Russian Navy, which are described above, are quite enough to cool the ardor of the United States! The point here is not the number of ships, but the political will of Putin to prevent US troops (NATO) from entering Syria. After all, it is one thing to be present, and it is another thing to give an adequate rebuff to the NATO member in case of attempts to unleash a conflict!
      2. vadimus
        vadimus 1 December 2011 09: 30
        +18
        However, there is a racket in the Western media, which means the course is right!
        1. prykordonnyk
          prykordonnyk 1 December 2011 19: 52
          +3
          It would be interesting to know the opinion of Leonid Ivashov about this. He looks at things soberly.
      3. bober
        bober 1 December 2011 21: 12
        0
        I would throw people like you as observers. How easily the hero sends the guys into the unknown
    3. Mujahiddin777
      Mujahiddin777 1 December 2011 11: 13
      +8
      Syria should not be offended! How many of us live there ...
  2. mar.tira
    mar.tira 1 December 2011 07: 33
    +2
    If the General Staff did not burst, then they should have done it. But in general, as far as I heard, our technical specialists have been there for a long time .. Why do not you tell me?
    1. itr
      itr 1 December 2011 07: 47
      +23
      Assad would simply make an official statement to countries such as Russia, China, Belarus, Venezuela, etc., and to introduce a peacekeeping contingent to his country to maintain constitutional order.
      All who do not dare to start a war. At least two nuclear powers can respond.
      And no one will refuse the withdrawal of troops. This is at least the prestige of the country.
  3. almost demobil
    almost demobil 1 December 2011 07: 46
    +8
    The question is where to get these 300 and 400. Do not remove the same as the Ukrainians at one time, from combat duty. But help must and must be self-propelled options.
    1. wk
      wk 1 December 2011 07: 56
      +7
      300 are removed for replacement with c400 in a planned manner, I do not think that their resource is 100% exhausted. in general, if there had been a political solution, they would have found it, but it will hardly be under present Medvedev. Perhaps something will change under Putin, but where will Syria be by then?
    2. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 1 December 2011 09: 11
      +1
      300 and 400 were always in the reserve of the General Staff. For such things, reserves are needed.
  4. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 1 December 2011 07: 55
    +25
    Brothers I congratulate all those who care, if we defend Syria, then our authority will rise very much.
    1. RedFox
      RedFox 1 December 2011 09: 02
      +27
      That article ... a little outdated. First: "George W. Bush" with cruisers and destroyers has already gone heading for Norfolk. Secondly: "According to some reports, a large anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko will also join the campaign in Syria"- it has long been known that the Chabanenko BOD is planned to be paired with the Kuznetsov. And moreover, the air group will comprise as many as 8 Su-33s and 8 Ka. I think it will be enough to defend Syria. in Tartus, this pair is not provided. Well, I’m personally: I am tormented by vague suspicions that a pair of "Kuznetsov" - "Chabanenko" under water will be accompanied by some nuclear missile loaf of the Atlant project. Just in case ... for ikebana.
      1. German
        German 1 December 2011 13: 46
        +1
        very much nothing ikebana will turn out ..... impressive.
  5. mar.tira
    mar.tira 1 December 2011 08: 00
    +10
    In general, when I served in the North, then after the downed Boeing, when Reagan declared a crusade against us, for 2 weeks in civilian courts, a whole motorbike was transferred to our border. the division is fully equipped and equipped with weapons. We were discharged at night. If you wish, there is no problem and everything you need to be delivered there.
  6. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 1 December 2011 08: 04
    0
    Hmm, before Kuzya was lighter right now, some kind of gray and with huge buoys the name is written, it’s after repair that it’s interesting and it’s interesting that the thread on it was improved well, for example, equipment or something else to read.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2011 08: 35
      +2
      Alexey Prikazchikov you did not see him like that)) this is in front of Georgia
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 1 December 2011 08: 48
        0
        And he was screaming to the workers then it was a couple, I think it’s him in the repair scaffolds, or at least there he goes.
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2011 08: 57
          0
          Why drive him unnecessarily !? So it is worth "paints lips" wink
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 1 December 2011 09: 15
            0
            It is he, in my opinion, on the docks near Severomorsk (Safonovo).
            1. komTMG
              komTMG 2 December 2011 11: 03
              0
              Docks PD-50 in Roslyakovo (small) Kursk was cut there. In the background Severmorsk. It’s like a picture was taken from Cape Shavor.
              1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                SAVA555.IVANOV 2 December 2011 18: 45
                +1
                The picture "ON THE GO" is made, beautiful !!! It can be seen from the satellite, HIDDEN!))
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 30
      -2
      Vests stripe across steel.
  7. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2011 08: 22
    +26
    Another 20-25 thousand people were added at the expense of Russian women who married the Syrians. They threw our poor guys, they want to live better, and now these guys are going to save their skins, it turns out beautifully !!? am
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 1 December 2011 08: 33
      +21
      Yes, our pretty slut, well, this is the cost of a modern culture, although this still needs to be fought.
    2. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 1 December 2011 09: 19
      +4
      As the pendos say, I would rather save their asses. But for one thing, let’s figure out what it’s they dumped from our boys. wink
      1. Surg
        Surg 1 December 2011 12: 07
        +3
        Yes, this is an excuse for ours to defend, in fact, the point is in politics because something is brewing seriously and Russia must be there in order to emphasize the status of a superpower.
        It just seems to me that the amers wanted to sneeze at us, are we there or not.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 1 December 2011 13: 24
          +3
          Yeah on yao how will they sneeze ah? Although on the other hand, if you think the enemy is weak, then you have already lost.
        2. German
          German 1 December 2011 13: 50
          0
          it will be difficult to sneeze Pindos if we in time x ... attach to their nose.
        3. Konsmo
          Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 31
          0
          They will sneeze, but aside.
  8. Kaetani
    Kaetani 1 December 2011 08: 24
    +3
    It would be nice to sign an agreement with Syria on the deployment of a new base. Suppose that in the field - the S-300 division and the regiment of the Airborne Forces or the Marine Corps - preferably with the Pacific Fleet.
    Training will not hurt our troops. Transferring a pair of brigades to another theater is a training on how we will transfer troops from west to east and back.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 December 2011 11: 09
      +2
      Do you want to fight with someone else's hands? Why don't you yourself go to Syria to establish "constitutional order"?
      1. potterz
        potterz 1 December 2011 12: 03
        +2
        Do you think you need to sit and wait when the PINDOS will surround us from all sides !? Then it will be a much worse mistake than the mistake of Stalin in Vilikuyu!
  9. Basilevs
    Basilevs 1 December 2011 08: 35
    +5
    If they also eat Syria, Russia will finally lose face.
  10. makano
    makano 1 December 2011 08: 39
    +8
    The Americans started fussing around Syria with the firm goal of deploying in Tallinn, Riga, Vilnius, Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Turkey and Italy not only missile defense systems, but also strike systems just in case. Russia will have only one option - to manage to launch everything and let them fly wherever they want. China in this case remains clean. Because he does not care either Libya, which is indicative of a vote in the Security Council, nor Syria. For China, the sooner the disassembly of the two superpowers occurs, the more vividly he will be.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 1 December 2011 09: 45
      +4
      ... the more alive he will be.

      Well it’s a lie. I think the Chinese are no dumber than a steam locomotive. Secondly, they were always taciturn, on their minds, so that they also had a bench press.
      Alone to stay with a billion barefoot strollers they are not in a buzz!
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 38
      -1
      I don’t think so. Without Russia, the Anglo-Saxons of the Chinese eat from the city of M. I think they understand this. No one will throw raw materials and weapons to them if a mess happens.
      When you cover your back, more fun than the enemies around.
    3. serge
      serge 2 December 2011 11: 30
      -1
      With the "dismantling of the two superpowers" there will be a nuclear winter. Only microbes will survive
  11. Commoner
    Commoner 1 December 2011 09: 15
    -1
    I would like to believe that all these actions, which have not yet received wide publicity, will give the desired result, and our leadership will voice Russia's position at least to its own people. It is clear that first you need to monitor public opinion, at least even using such network resources as this one, and relying on the "prepared ground" to take some more responsible steps and make appropriate statements. Let it be so, so long as haste does not lead to fatal mistakes.
  12. Civil
    Civil 1 December 2011 09: 56
    +4
    I do not think that the presence of a fleet in the territorial waters of Syria will stop the application of democracy, remember Kosovo, even the ground operation did not change anything, they bombed in principle. However, nothing else.
    1. merkel1961
      merkel1961 1 December 2011 14: 27
      +7
      The time is different and we are different, again keep silent, soon they will take up us.
  13. dred
    dred 1 December 2011 10: 45
    +1
    Brutal music is not enough. And so our fellows.
  14. Professor
    Professor 1 December 2011 11: 06
    0
    More than 100 of thousands of Russian citizens live in Syria now. Since Soviet times, approximately 70-75 of thousands of our compatriots lived there. Another 20-25 thousand people were added at the expense of Russian women who married the Syrians.

    To put it mildly, these figures are in doubt. I tried to find official data, but to no avail ...
  15. forma2
    forma2 1 December 2011 11: 43
    0
    Go ahead and show your Will.
  16. potterz
    potterz 1 December 2011 11: 57
    -2
    Do you want to fight with someone else's hands? Why don't you yourself go to Syria to establish "constitutional order"? ...........
    They themselves understood what they wrote !?
  17. potterz
    potterz 1 December 2011 12: 40
    +1
    Who puts the cons, you justify why.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 1 December 2011 13: 32
      -1
      So you answer a specific person, otherwise it looks like this is your stupid proposal smile So you and minus for professorial comment.
  18. Artemka
    Artemka 1 December 2011 12: 45
    -1
    Yes, they would have quickly delivered the S-400, at the same time if we tested them in practice.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 1 December 2011 13: 37
      +1
      I’m thinking we wouldn’t send our old S-300s which are removed for replacement. They breathe on hand, breakdowns on breakdowns, continuous failures. Then you won’t wash yourself off if you get dirty when reflecting pendos.
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 46
        0
        Where does this information come from?
        When union checked electronics better than amers.
        For example, we put the boards in the oven, the temperature was about 100 degrees, in the operating mode we drove an hour or two. Weak elements burned out. They changed again. After such a training, the electronics was eternal. It was also possible to drive on vibration.
  19. Andrey77
    Andrey77 1 December 2011 12: 59
    +1
    Syria, nothing to do with it. This message to the states about Iran is not worth it guys.
    1. merkel1961
      merkel1961 1 December 2011 14: 11
      0
      It’s high time for the states to give their hands, insolent without the Union.
    2. merkel1961
      merkel1961 1 December 2011 14: 19
      -1
      It's time to show your teeth, Pindos completely insolent.
      1. Mesniy
        Mesniy 1 December 2011 22: 41
        -4
        the teeth are really scary because they are rotten.
  20. J_silver
    J_silver 1 December 2011 15: 44
    -9
    Are fighting chipmunks going to fight? Do not burst from the exertion, however much you inflate, you cannot pass for a bear!
    1. mar.tira
      mar.tira 1 December 2011 16: 16
      +1
      Why are you so angry! In the taiga they say the chipmunk is sleeping in the same place as the bear. And from all the little animals it is the chipmunk that does not touch the bear. That's the comparison!
      1. J_silver
        J_silver 1 December 2011 16: 59
        -7
        Oh, how nice to see someone guessing the essence of my thought! One place, but few people are afraid of chipmunks ...
  21. Fireman
    Fireman 1 December 2011 15: 44
    -7
    Russia should not defend this repressive regime like Syria! But, since we are the only mode, try to have supporters!
  22. Volkhov
    Volkhov 1 December 2011 15: 59
    +2
    No one gets the idea that this is support for evacuation, as in Libya?
    1. arhipelag
      arhipelag 1 December 2011 21: 17
      +1
      In the sense, our ships were sent there to take something out of Syria before the start of the military operation?
      1. Mesniy
        Mesniy 1 December 2011 22: 43
        -2
        Yes, so that the bureaucrats embassy on time with the swag dumped.
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2011 22: 56
          +1
          Mesniy Perhaps IT IS LIVING AND GREED, I won’t be surprised if they and their baby-boys will climb sweaty in fur coats and hung with gold like Ostap Bender))))
  23. figwam
    figwam 1 December 2011 16: 02
    +1
    Now it’s clear why the West was against the sale by Russia of land-sea missiles, Syria.
    There is a danger of provocation at sea, when our ships will be approaching the coast of Syria, I think there are already many different ships and submarines of the enemy.
    The situation will be tense.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 51
      -1
      What provocation? They must shoot at everything that moves, and then let Lavrov and Churkin in the Security Council understand. They fucking talk who.
  24. Denis
    Denis 1 December 2011 17: 03
    +2
    they started a good thing, but will it not work out ".. as always", to get it you need to stand firm, will the current computers (I) be enough for this?
    have they already managed to avoid their harshness?
    and take into account greed, they keep money in Switzerland, block accounts and "... everything that was acquired by back-breaking labor ..."
  25. Mondeo
    Mondeo 1 December 2011 17: 32
    0
    If, nevertheless, a decision is made by military means to solve this problem, then Moscow will do everything possible to ensure the security of its borders, and possibly its neighbors. But I do not think that Russia will enter into its own way with one or another side of the conflict.
  26. Zorg
    Zorg 1 December 2011 18: 18
    -12
    sorry for the Russian sailors! if the Americans start, then they will all fall there! a dwarf in the Kremlin thinks that his scrap can scare someone !!!!!!!! just make fun !!!!!
    1. Dad
      Dad 1 December 2011 19: 50
      0
      It is necessary to wash more often.
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 54
      0
      That’s not about ... I’m close from laughter and will not fit. Shish kebabs go, walk and still laugh.
  27. Dimka off
    Dimka off 1 December 2011 18: 38
    +1
    well done sailors - forced to stir a hornet's nest! it will not be so easy now to take Syria. They feel that more serious forces are now involved, now they have to think five times than to attack. The main thing now is to complete the work begun. And of course, if you covered the country with an umbrella from S-300 and S-400, it would really be nice)
  28. desava
    desava 1 December 2011 19: 14
    +6
    Judging from all of the above, if Russia needs to maintain its influence and presence in the Mediterranean, the Kremlin will have to take very, very serious decisive steps. Purely my opinion. The arrangement, by agreement with the Syrian authorities of the Russian ground forces, active assistance in strengthening the country's air defense, the presence of warships at the base point, and most importantly, assist in the peaceful settlement of the situation in Syria through diplomatic, political and secret methods. Of course, the proposals made by me are far from indisputable, but the main idea is that Moscow should very, very seriously take up the solution of this issue.
  29. Dad
    Dad 1 December 2011 19: 49
    +1
    It is necessary to support and be in time!
  30. Rico1977
    Rico1977 1 December 2011 20: 06
    -1
    By the way, right after that there was news that the American aircraft carrier was leaving the Mediterranean Sea and heading home ... Are they really running ...
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 1 December 2011 20: 29
      -1
      Or maybe initially took a small ammunition and went to load belay
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 1 December 2011 23: 58
        +1
        A beer? wink
        Or diapers are not loaded.
    2. Dimka off
      Dimka off 1 December 2011 21: 04
      0
      most likely a strategic retreat. So they just do not give up this thing.
    3. TRex
      TRex 2 December 2011 18: 59
      +1
      Our comments were revered - and decided to blame, away from sin ...
    4. yak2689
      yak2689 12 December 2011 11: 50
      0
      Rico1977,
      ===
      You can even believe this: amers fight only with those who do not
      can even show the slightest resistance.
  31. maksim
    maksim 1 December 2011 20: 48
    +3
    glory to the Russian Navy! guys we are our Air Force!
  32. Strategia
    Strategia 1 December 2011 21: 10
    +8
    Friends, what are you talking about decisive measures and upholding Russia's interests? This is Ederast's PR before the elections - they say, we are sovereigns. It has already been said that billions of dollars of our "elite" lie in American banks. You can also add about our food security: ~ 70% of food is supplied to Russia from abroad ... Well, there is no need to talk about the state of our system of lighting the situation at sea, our ships will be able to operate only within the radius of visibility of the ship's radars. Also compare the armament of our ships and their URO ships, as well as the number of aircraft on the George Bush type aircraft and our Kuznetsov, taking into account the NATO air bases in Italy and Turkey. And yet, does anyone have reliable information about setting the "400s" on combat (not experienced) duty? That's the same ...
    1. desava
      desava 1 December 2011 21: 30
      +3
      Actually, the Mediterranean is "supervised". Not far from me is the corresponding radar. Exactly how it is called is not in the know, because in this area the layman. There is no need to compare weapons - after all, open confrontation not only needs to be avoided, but it will not happen with a high degree of probability. The main thing is to have the support of the local population in this region and the influence due to the presence of at least one brigade of the Airborne Forces or the Marine Corps, it is not important to have air defense systems either. The main thing is to make it clear that Russia is much more interested in this country than in Libya, for example.
      1. Strategia
        Strategia 5 December 2011 09: 49
        +1
        Well, let's make it clear that we are very interested in Syria? And they will make it clear that they are even more interested. After all, we do not want to take away some piece of the Middle East from them under our influence, they are building a "NEW WORLD ORDER" and will eliminate any obstacles on their way, if necessary, by means of armed violence. Hitler in 1939 was not stopped by the treaty between England, France and Poland ...
        1. desava
          desava 5 December 2011 21: 30
          +1
          In my opinion, it would be incorrect to drag Uncle Adolf here. And the Pentagon will not come out openly against Russia, even in the "secondary" territory of Syria. But the heat is possible, and very serious. This is where our diplomats will have to work hard. "New World Order"? .... It looks more like a utopia. The United States is more likely to fight for resources than for power over the world - this is more likely a consequence. In fact, the same colonial war, only of the 21st century.
          1. Strategia
            Strategia 6 December 2011 16: 52
            +3
            Power over the world is a condition for owning resources, well, and, according to the classics, sales markets, sources of raw materials ..., in a new way, dominance in the information sphere and, therefore, in the ideological sphere (which they so vehemently deny). For their successful activity, our diplomats must have support: financial and economic, ideological and moral, power ones. Which we have are very weak. "Uncle Adolf" is not given here as an example of a person, nor is it given at all. It highlights a situation where a cowardly majority cannot resist an arrogant minority. After all, the United States, in fact, over the past two decades has acted in the same way as the Nazis in the late 1930s. Only they act cleverly: before committing an aggression, they fool the world community, make a potential victim an "embodiment of evil", secure a UN mandate, and only then ... Everyone in the world sees this, but keeps silent, counting on the new "Nuremberg trial" everything blame the Pindos. Will not work...
  33. ballian
    ballian 1 December 2011 21: 12
    +8
    Quote: maksim
    More than 100 of thousands of Russian citizens live in Syria now. Since Soviet times, approximately 70-75 of thousands of our compatriots lived there.

    ____________
    Where are the links? I can still assume that the Arabs could take Russian citizenship (links where ???) Do you know anything about Russians in Syria, except for Russian fools who married Arabs? Zadolbalo all this lies.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 1 December 2011 23: 44
      0
      My friend and wife work there. He is a military man, his wife is a pediatrician in a hospital, I don’t know about 25, but there are 000 thousand for sure ...
  34. fedora
    fedora 1 December 2011 22: 00
    +3
    He visited Syria several times in Latakia, Tartus as an adviser, though in the eighties, and later only on business trips. In my opinion, Syria, before the combined forces of Turkey, Jordan, the threat from Israel and the actions of the internal 5 columns can not resist. Russia can do nothing but help with political support and limited arms supplies. TAKR Kuznetsov and the Chabanenko BPC are not serious forces and are only able to show their flag in the best part of the central part of the Mediterranean Sea, the country's leadership will not let it into the waters of the eastern Mediterranean, ships will simply be lost by Russia.
    1. Denis
      Denis 1 December 2011 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: fedor
      ships will simply be lost by Russia.

      is it in the sense of sunk?
      so this is war, Pindos risk?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 1 December 2011 23: 45
        +1
        The pirates will capture and Somalia will steal ... wink
      2. Senza
        Senza 6 December 2011 20: 16
        +1
        their missile defense is not yet deployed, it is unlikely
  35. Cardamom
    Cardamom 1 December 2011 22: 13
    +1
    Gentlemen, "Kuznetsov" and "Chabanenko", according to the statements of the military, are just going to go to Syria for the exercises planned in advance. No doubt it's nice to dream up, but the reality is that a not too large grouping of ships, even led by an old aircraft carrier, and with a 300 to boot, will not stop the ground invasion, which is being prepared, according to some sources, from Turkish territory. Ours will not iron out the Syrian territory, especially if we take into account our lag in high-precision weapons, and massive attacks would lead to uncontrollable casualties on both sides. Libyan citizens who have experience of fighting after the recent events in Libya also enter Syria to support the opposition.
    1. Mesniy
      Mesniy 1 December 2011 22: 47
      +2
      fedor and Cardamom are among the few people who really understand the situation on this page.
  36. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 1 December 2011 22: 43
    0
    fedora
    You have already written more than once about the readiness of our ships at the moment ... I completely agree with you.
    But most here would only cheer.
    But we will see that they will somehow help, like they put the Bastion anti-ship complexes .. but this will not change anything
  37. PSih2097
    PSih2097 1 December 2011 23: 57
    0

    In the spring of next year, the group of warships of the Russian Navy will enter the territorial waters of Syria. The detachment will be led by the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. The detachment of warships will arrive in the Syrian port of Tartus, newsru.co.il reports with reference to Interfax.
    The main task of Russian ships according to the agency, which refers to military experts, is to prevent a military conflict with the participation of Western countries. In turn, the military argues that the campaign of a group of ships in Syria is in no way connected with the situation in the country.
    The entry of Russian ships into the territorial waters of Syria may be Russia's response to the actions of the United States, which transferred the latest nuclear-powered military cruiser george hwbush from the Persian Gulf region to this region. In addition, two American missile cruisers and the same number of missile destroyers arrived on the Syrian coast.
    Last week, the Al-Arabiya TV channel reported that a group of three ships of the Russian Navy had allegedly entered Syrian territorial waters near the port of Tartus. According to a source close to the Syrian authorities, the ships did not anchor.
    According to the Arab media, which cited a source in the Russian leadership, a group of ships was sent to the country to prevent NATO from starting a military operation under the pretext of a humanitarian mission. However, reports that appeared about the entry of Russian vessels into the territorial waters of Syria were officially refuted.
    According to Russian media, in December a group of ships of the Northern Fleet will leave Murmansk. Then the ships circled Europe and entered the Mediterranean Sea through the Strait of Gibraltar.
    http://warsonline.info/siriya/gruppa-rossiyskich-boevich-korabley-pribudet-v-sir
    iiu-v-2012-godu.html
    1. stalker
      stalker 2 December 2011 00: 06
      -1
      Well, before spring, anything can happen.
      1. komTMG
        komTMG 2 December 2011 11: 09
        +1
        Now the storms are tough. On January 98, 9 Ustinov was distilled from Baltiysk to Severomorsk in 30. It was something. We lost track. Fuel filters were changed on engines every 6 minutes. Plus Ukrainians from Zarya (Nikolaev) who installed a new marching turbine made a trick. They put a plug in the fuel equipment. And instead of 2 turbines. (4 MD and 5 FD) only XNUMX worked. Just before the very Severomorsk found a trick. Then he handed over frigates with them. I asked for the fig. They had a fight with the commander of the NMO. Well, they decided to take revenge. So it is necessary to winter and then to the seas.
  38. levanchik8444
    levanchik8444 2 December 2011 18: 49
    -4
    Nobody thinks that the 3rd world is coming soon? So what if the tin can, morally and physically obsolete Kuznetsov went to Syria, there will be everyone and everything to frighten there! Can it get a rocket on the forehead and what's next, war? ??
  39. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 18: 54
    +1
    The emotional response of Damascus is quite understandable - the actions of the Arab League fully fit the definition of banal betrayal, which has so often happened recently among Arab states.

    And this is very good! This suggests that the Arabs will never defeat Christians! There is no unity between them, although there seems to be a common jihad against the "infidels".

    The Arabs were divided as much as possible. Each Arab state is driven by its purely mercantile values.

    And this suggests that, even if we allow the hypothetical victory of Islamism throughout the world, universal peace and prosperity does not come anyway, and these religiously fanatical chimoshniks will begin jihad against each other, begin to cut off their heads as if they were co-religionists. And I sincerely do not understand those urya-patriotic Ibandians who worship the Islmists, only because they kill Pindos and Yids, and on this basis these secondhand gangs forgive Islamic u-ladies for the skin removed from living Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, or cut off heads of Russian soldiers in Chechenstan. Hey you! NATO Fob! Wake up! The enemy of Russia is its Islamization! From the Islamic Caucasus: Aizers, Dagi, Chechi. In the Caucasus, the allies of Russia are Georgia and Armenia are Christians. And now there is a war of civilizations: Islam against the rest of the world. Think, yo, who is OUR real enemy!

    Now go through the posts:
    Quote: J_Silver
    So in Syria the Golan Heights, the Dutch Heights, even in Holland do not ...

    No Dutch, Golan - see the difference?
    Quote: BYRY
    . Somewhere in the area of ​​the Dutch heights.

    By the way, you wrote my post above, the same applies. Learn, wise men, geography, as well as the spelling of geographical names in Russian transcription!
    Quote: vadimus
    However, there is a racket in the Western media, which means the course is right!

    Well, the fact that in the Rashkan mass media there is a snickering hysteria against the West, following your logic, is that the same course? Reread the beginning of my post in this thread!



    Quote: Mujahiddin777
    Syria should not be offended! How many of us live there ...

    Hey you! Mudakhetdin! If Russia wants to have a reliable and strong ally in the Middle East, it MUST be friends with Israel, to obtain from Israel through negotiations, if not a permanent base on its territory, then at least a base point. And it will be CORRECT! And further. You! Mudakhetdin! In Israel RUSSIANS lives more than in Syria and other Islamic countries combined!
    And all the palaces, the scammers in Birobidzhan, there are many places, and there are also many taiga. Cutting wood for the Chinese economy is enough for them! Maybe after that the Arabs will learn PHYSICAL LABOR, and they will no longer have thoughts for terrorism.

    In short: to read all the posts to the end, I did not have the patience, having reached the score of 13 - 4 in favor of the "Syrians", threw these statistics to the scribblers, and realized that the Urya-patriots would still dominate the sober-minded and love those who cuts your family and friends throat, cuts off their heads, but will hate those who give you "cola", "fanta", "hamburgers", "porn" and freedom of speech and expression.

    The emotional response of Damascus is quite understandable - the actions of the Arab League fully fit the definition of banal betrayal, which has so often happened recently among Arab states.

    And this is very good! This suggests that the Arabs will never defeat Christians! There is no unity between them, although there seems to be a common jihad against the "infidels".

    The Arabs were divided as much as possible. Each Arab state is driven by its purely mercantile values.

    And this suggests that, even if we allow the hypothetical victory of Islamism in the whole world, universal peace and prosperity does not come anyway, and these religiously fanatical clever men will begin jihad against each other, begin to cut off their heads as if they were co-religionists. And I sincerely do not understand those urya-patriotic Ibandians who worship the Islmists, only because they kill Pindos and Yids, and on this basis these second gangdons forgive Islamic u-ladies for the skin removed from living Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, or cut off heads of Russian soldiers in Chechenstan. Hey you! NATO Fob! Wake up! The enemy of Russia is its Islamization! From the Islamic Caucasus: Aizers, Dagi, Chechi. In the Caucasus, the allies of Russia are Georgia and Armenia are Christians. And now there is a war of civilizations: Islam against the rest of the world. Think, yo, who is OUR real enemy!

    Now go through the posts:
    Quote: J_Silver
    So in Syria the Golan Heights, the Dutch Heights, even in Holland do not ...

    No Dutch, Golan - see the difference?
    Quote: BYRY
    . Somewhere in the area of ​​the Dutch heights.

    By the way, you wrote my post more, the same applies. Learn, wise men, geography, as well as the spelling of geographical names in Russian transcription!
    Quote: vadimus
    However, there is a racket in the Western media, which means the course is right!

    Well, the fact that in the Rashkan mass media there is a snickering hysteria against the West, following your logic, is that the same course? Reread the beginning of my post in this thread!



    Quote: Mujahiddin777
    Syria should not be offended! How many of us live there ...

    Hey you! Mudakhetdin! If Russia wants to have a reliable and strong ally in the Middle East, it MUST be friends with Israel and obtain from Israel through negotiations. if not a permanent base on its territory, then at least a base point. And it will be CORRECT! And further. You! Mudakhetdin! In Israel RUSSIANS lives more than in Syria and other Islamic countries combined!
    And all the palaces, the scammers in Birobidzhan, there are many places, and there are also many taiga. Cutting wood for the Chinese economy is enough for them! Maybe after that the Arabs will learn PHYSICAL LABOR, and they will no longer have thoughts for terrorism.

    In short: read all the posts to the end, I did not have the patience, having reached the score of 13 - 4 in favor of the "Syrians", threw these statistics to the scribblers, and realized that the urya-patrioby did not care they will love those who cut your family and friends the throat, cut off their heads, but will hate those who give you cola, fanta, hamburgers, porn and free speech and expression.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 2 December 2011 19: 56
      -1
      Alexandr_K FUCK !!! Passed !!!))) THE ENEMY INSIDE THE COUNTRY, YOU ARE RIGHT
    2. Denis
      Denis 2 December 2011 20: 33
      -1
      Quote: Alexandr_K
      The enemy of Russia is its Islamization! From the Islamic Caucasus: Aizers, Dagi, Chechi. In the Caucasus, the allies of Russia are Georgia and Armenia are Christians. And now there is a war of civilizations: Islam against the rest of the world. Think, yo, who is OUR real enemy!

      and Pindos best friends?
      You would still remember the Anglo-Sooks
      and with the Armenian-Guzin is not very successful, which allies can be from the semi-states?
    3. LTL70
      LTL70 6 December 2011 10: 12
      +1
      Patience is needed for everyone who wants to read your opus, vulgar and stupid, to the end, Guru- "Alexander_K" Straight Prophet, not lower !!
  40. Caesar
    Caesar 2 December 2011 19: 04
    -4
    It should be ASAP as possible to pile on NATO until they got scared and evaporated !!! We will grind them!
    1. Caesar
      Caesar 2 December 2011 19: 34
      +1
      I was joking)
      1. Satanail
        Satanail 9 December 2011 21: 59
        -1
        Every joke has some truth! winked I would let them do it and not wait for the attack! Lao Tzu - "don't wait for a blow, hit"
  41. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 19: 14
    +3
    Quote: Caesar
    It should be ASAP as possible to pile on NATO until they got scared and evaporated !!! We will grind them!

    Hey, you kind of Caesar! Aren't you too loud a nickname for yourself? Do you dream of a great empire from the English Channel to Bering? And yourself as her sovereign dictator?
    1. serge
      serge 6 December 2011 13: 27
      +1
      Alexandr_K
      "If Russia wants to have a reliable and strong ally in the Mediterranean, it MUST be friends with Israel."
      This nation provoked a civil war in Russia, during which they died
      10 million of our people. This nation led the Gulag. What a friendship with the enemies of the human race.
      1. Satanail
        Satanail 9 December 2011 22: 01
        -1
        Who does not agree with him! serge PLEASE READ THE PROTOCOLS OF THE SIONIAN WISES AND THE BRZHEZINSKY!
  42. Caesar
    Caesar 2 December 2011 19: 24
    0
    You are reading my mind. I'll take you as helpers.
    The whole world will be at our feet! We will have our own world order!
  43. levanchik8444
    levanchik8444 2 December 2011 19: 43
    -8
    Officially, three Cereusheiks in America received America’s highest award for developing in addition to the ideal plan to destroy the Soviet Union, the plan included: luring the Soviet Union into the war against Afghanistan and involving ours in a terrible war. Having developed the stinger and bazookas. Our economy fully deployed to the war in afghanistan, and now estimate: a spinner is flying, which costs the Soviet economy 3 dollars, it is hit by a stinger worth $ 10000000, a plane is worth $ 80000, it is shot down by the same stinger, it’s eating a tank with a value of $ 30000000, it is burned by a bazooka worth $ 10000000-20000 dollars, respectively, for 30000 years we were in the anus. Respectively, it was even more interesting, the coup in Russia, we began to live in Russia ...
    Then we have internal problems with Chechnya, he knows how much bullshit went there, then the second Chechnya goes there, then Ossetia and there, because they pulled their nose during Syria, but if we stick up in Syria, we will be poor) I understand that war is the engine of the Economy, but the Americans will tear us apart, you count on nuclear weapons, you haven’t forgotten about the disarmament program, laughter. secondly, imagine how much money is needed for the maintenance of nuclear weapons, thirdly, the Americans know all our missile points, so they created a front from the north- west to south of Russia with NATO bases, where rockets that will stick from the satellite directly over the rocket mines will stand, in the fourth they launched two satellites that weigh exactly over Russia on each of which twelve nuclear warheads aimed at all strategic regions of Russia, namely to supply the defense industry, they even prepare special detachments, which in the case of everything will break through to Baikal and Amur (we have all the nuclear potential and special missile launchers there to shoot down our missiles at the start. AT THE END OF THOSE CONSIDER NAKHUA PUTIN IN THE SOUTH URALS BUILDING UNDER MOUNTAIN YAMAT AU BUNKER FOR 400000 PEOPLE ,,,,
  44. Dock
    Dock 2 December 2011 19: 49
    -3
    "... the measures taken may not be enough. Syria needs help in reorganizing the air defense system. It is clear that in the event of the delivery of S-300 and S-400 complexes to Syria, the Syrian sky will be guaranteed to be closed for any air operation. Must be in time! There is too much at stake. And God help us!
    1. Satanail
      Satanail 9 December 2011 22: 03
      0
      Our weapon is not a panacea, without literate people, any weapon is trash! Any weapon has flaws, ours has fewer flaws. It would have fought ... The main disadvantage of our weapons is not enough specialists ...
  45. Trevis
    Trevis 2 December 2011 20: 20
    +1
    Go Russia! bully
  46. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 20: 34
    -5
    Quote: Doc
    "... the measures taken may not be enough. Syria needs help in reorganizing the air defense system. It is clear that in the event of the delivery of S-300 and S-400 complexes to Syria, the Syrian sky will be guaranteed to be closed for any air operation.

    Well, come on, come on. The Russian missile defense system in the form of the notorious and vaunted S-300 and S-400, will demonstrate its complete helplessness, failure, IMPOTENCE against Israeli and American electronic warfare means. Soviet air defense systems were successful only in the 60s of the twentieth century. Later, "the ball passed to the opponent," and he would not let him out of HIS game, only sometimes allowing the opponent to kick his leg, chest, head, even hand ...
    But nothing helped anymore - Western ones, EW means, and especially American and Israeli ones, are guaranteed to protect their planes from ANY rassianskih air defense systems!
    RUSSIA is obliged to sign treaties and agreements on a military alliance with the West at the head of the United States, primarily against the "jihad", which, in addition to the United States with the entire civilized world, will destroy Russia, China and India.
    We are NOT Islamists, still in the majority, and we can still save human civilization from Islamism.
  47. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 20: 56
    0
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    Alexandr_K FUCK !!! Passed !!!))) THE ENEMY INSIDE THE COUNTRY, YOU ARE RIGHT

    Well, if the blast wave of my emotions caught you and you understood all the pain of my worries for civilized world, and not an Islamized camp, I will share with you a plus - respect! fellow
  48. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 21: 29
    -3
    Quote: Denis
    and Pindos are best friends? Would you still remember Anglo-Sooks

    Listen to me! Smart ass! Thanks to the "Pindos" and "Anglo-bitches", you suchische, you have the opportunity to splash poisonous saliva here now! By the way, in the German SS legions there were Islamic fascists who were more terrible than the Gestapo!
    Quote: Denis
    and with the Armenian-Guzin is not very successful, which allies can be from the semi-states?

    Does this mean that you consider "semi-states" ALL republics of the former USSR? If yes! - then there will be no revival of the "Roman" empire!
    1. Denis
      Denis 2 December 2011 22: 06
      +1
      hear 3,14 a gift-hero of the Internet, the provision of paid imtimal services by your relatives and you are not given the opportunity to say "you" to adults
      Boy, for this can spoil your painted face
      go learn your lessons
  49. sergeystalker73
    sergeystalker73 2 December 2011 21: 57
    -1
    It’s getting more fun.
  50. Alexandr_K
    Alexandr_K 2 December 2011 22: 17
    +1
    Quote: levanchik8444
    Officially, three Cereusheiks in America received America's highest award, for developing in addition to the ideal plan for the destruction of the Soviet Union, the plan included: luring the Soviet Union into the war against Afghanistan and involving ours in a terrible war.

    Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?


    Quote: levanchik8444
    Having developed the stinger and bazookas.

    The Stinger was in some way a development of the Red-Eye MANPADS, which appeared in the 60s, and which served as a role model for the creation of the first Soviet MANPADS Strela-2. A "Bazooka" from the Yankees appeared during the Second World War. Learn, friend, history.
    Quote: levanchik8444
    Our economy is fully deployed to the war in Afghanistan

    The Soviet economy ALWAYS (!!!), since the founding of the USSR, worked for WAR, a war with the whole world!
    Well, in general, further commenting on your post does not make sense ...
    1. levanchik8444
      levanchik8444 3 December 2011 12: 16
      -1
      All that you wrote is true !!! But do not forget that I have listed the above weapons were modified for our equipment of 70-80 years. This is a no brainer that the pupae of the 60s and ears 40-50, they will only knock off the hair)))))