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In Syria, the Terminators will crush the terrorists and the Vipers will bite to death

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The main reasons for the moderate pace of the Syrian army’s onset are the continuing shortage of modern equipment and the lack of personnel. According to military experts, these problems can be overcome if systems are adopted. weapons A new type: we are talking about combat support vehicles (BMIP) such as the Russian Terminator, Terminator-2, or Viper.


In Syria, the Terminators will crush the terrorists and the Vipers will bite to death



Ersatz- "Terminator" of the Syrian army


At one time, the developers and specialists of the GABTU, telling about the "Terminator", gave the following figures: one such machine can replace the 2-2,5 BMP or 3-4 BTR in its combat potential for a platoon of infantrymen. With proper training of the crews, such combat units would ensure a qualitative change on the battlefield.

You can easily calculate how many BMOs will be needed to replace an infantry company or battalion. Of course, such a technique will not work on its own, only in close cooperation with tanksmechanized and infantry units, artillery and aviation.




"Terminator"


But let's be realistic: “Terminators” are relatively expensive cars, and, even if an order is received, despite the heroic efforts of the industry, the first copies will leave the assembly line only after many months.

And such a technique was needed, as they say, just yesterday. Therefore, the Syrians are trying to do something on their own. About their ersatz- "Terminators" "Herald of Mordovia" already wrote. These are machines based on T-72 with a quad-machine-gun installation KPV 14,5-caliber and primitive sights. Of course, to these BMPs they are very far away. But besides the "Terminator" there is also the "Terminator-2", a machine that can be executed on the basis of existing tanks in the army. Moreover, not only the T-72 can be used, but also the T-55 and T-62 tanks.

So three years ago, the Russian side offered Peru to convert its T-55 into fire support vehicles. As the Peruvians themselves reported, the proposal was to replace the original T-55 turret with a combat module, which is equipped with two 2-42 automatic guns of 30 mm caliber. The 4 ATAUR “Attack” (ability to hit targets up to five kilometers away) and an 7,62-mm machine gun were also to be mounted on the combat module. The crew also received a modern sighting system. Optionally, it was possible to install two automatic 30-mm grenade launchers with ammunition in 300 shots each.

The Syrians in stock - a large number of T-72 early models and hundreds of T-55 and T-62 in storage, which can become the basis for rework.




"Terminator-2"

An even more operational and cheap version of the creation of combat vehicles can be a variant of the so-called "Viper". The fact is that in the middle of 90-x in Chelyabinsk, they proactively worked on the MBM (multi-purpose combat vehicle), the factory workers nicknamed it "Viper". Initially it was assumed that with the release of the MBM should have used old tanks.

Thus, in the process of creating the Viper, the 72-mm gun was removed from the standard T-125, the place in the tower where it was located was sealed and reinforced with additional blocks of dynamic protection "Contact." On the sides of the turret, automatic X-gun caliber 30 mm was placed. Next to each weapon placed on the block under the unguided C-8 rocket caliber 80 mm. Missiles can have different warheads: cumulative fragmentation, with two thousand "arrows" to defeat manpower, space-detonating, concrete, lighting and others. The target firing range - about 2 km. At maximum distance - scatter about 6 meters from the aiming point. The standard for T-72A sight went through a minor revision for new weapons.





This machine was successfully tested, but, for a number of reasons of a non-technical nature, further work on it was discontinued. However, the experience gained is easy to use in the modernization of Syrian armored vehicles.

Of course, the Viper is also significantly inferior to both versions of the Terminator, and it can only be viewed as a temporary measure, before the arrival of modern technology.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 16 January 2016 06: 47
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    In Syria, the Terminators will crush the terrorists and the Vipers will bite to death


    Without a trained crew and competent command, it’s just iron they will quickly be beaten out in battles .. there are few people in the ASADA army where to take literate people in crews.
    Yes, and their application must be considered in the complex of combined combat, by themselves they will not turn the tide of the war in Syria.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 16 January 2016 06: 50
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Without a trained crew and competent command, it’s just iron they will quickly be beaten out in battles

      And where to get them? The cars are not serial, most likely they don’t have crews either, testers from the factory work at the training ground. You will have to learn along the way.
      Quote: The same Lech
      Yes, and consider their use must be in the combined combat
      That's for sure. BMPT should be considered as a component, and not as a separate type of BT.
    2. rom8726
      rom8726 16 January 2016 09: 28
      +5
      Syrian tankers have vast combat experience so-and-so
      1. cap
        cap 16 January 2016 13: 50
        0
        Quote: rom8726
        Syrian tankers have vast combat experience so-and-so


        You can stick anything on a tank, infantry fighting vehicle, etc., but without the competent support of infantry on the battlefield, especially in urban conditions, such a structure is just a target.
    3. NIKNN
      NIKNN 16 January 2016 11: 27
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      In Syria, the Terminators will crush the terrorists and the Vipers will bite to death


      Without a trained crew and competent command, it’s just iron they will quickly be beaten out in battles .. there are few people in the ASADA army where to take literate people in crews.
      Yes, and their application must be considered in the complex of combined combat, by themselves they will not turn the tide of the war in Syria.


      I agree completely good
      As for the rework of old technology, let's see. Firstly, it is necessary to re-create almost the entire chain of its production. Secondly, do you need a viper with a limited resource? and many more factors, but even that’s enough to estimate its cost compared to creating it on modern platforms on established conveyors. If only in single copies at local MTS, supplying ready-made combat modules there. request
  2. novobranets
    novobranets 16 January 2016 06: 47
    20
    How many copies were broken in the debate about the "Terminator" - needed, not needed. In Syria, this can be found out by sending there heels of experimental vehicles. At the same time, the existing shortcomings will come to light.
    1. Tooth
      Tooth 16 January 2016 21: 56
      +1
      Totally agree
  3. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 16 January 2016 06: 55
    17
    "I blinded him out of what was ..." (A. Apina). Well, why don't we do it then? Waiting for anybody? Just yesterday. In Syria, there is NO turning back for us. It is the Americans who can "shrink", like from Afgan, but our situevina is completely different. So, as always, using our ingenuity and thinking, go ahead.
    1. Sarych
      Sarych 16 January 2016 23: 11
      -8
      and what, you won Avgan? The USA supplied the mujahideen with everything they needed and wow! ten years later, the "great and invincible" left with its tail between its legs ... The same thing here ... Bombardment does not give anything at all, but it is expensive to bring an army into the country, because it is necessary to transfer all this army, and you become very poor so that so throwing an army almost 1000 km from its border, it's not for you to supply misunderstanding in the downbass. Moreover, Syria is not small and the grouping of the army should be significant, and therefore dozens of zynks will go to the homeland of Spiritual Skrepa, and this will bring destabilization to the heads of an already evil people.
      1. dubak78
        dubak78 17 January 2016 03: 08
        0
        oh hohlyonysh woke up! Why are you out of your mind, bird?
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 January 2016 20: 18
        0
        Quote: Sarych
        ten years later the "great and invincible" left with her tail between her legs ...

        That's nonsense "gone tail between his legs"! Is it okay that at this time the SA controlled ALL large settlements and chased the Mujahideen through the mountains? For your information, after the exit of the SA, the local government held the situation for several years.
        Syria is not small, but it is 60% desert. But where these facts are yellow-black, that only on the Soviet infrastructure still survive, to know ...
  4. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 16 January 2016 07: 17
    +6
    I watched. I made a huge impression. Urgent need to put on the conveyor.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 16 January 2016 14: 48
      +5
      Quote: Valery 1966
      I watched. Urgent need to put on the conveyor.

      Your order will be executed in the near future! On Monday at 8:30 we begin.
  5. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 07: 26
    10
    "The main reasons for the moderate pace of the offensive of the Syrian army are still a shortage of modern technology and a shortage of personnel." - the main thing here is the lack of trained and motivated personnel. Both in the infantry and in tank units. There is also a rather strong carelessness in the troops, poor coordination of actions. A small number of competent junior officers. Disgusting planning of operations and poor durability in battle. You can see a lot of videos with battles from Syria on the internet. Very often tanks operate without infantry cover in the city. Substituted. The divisions are retreating barely having suffered losses.

    It’s useless to simply transmit technology. It will either be burned or captured. It is necessary to engage in training the Syrian army. To replace at the time local officers at the level of command of a company and higher on their own or trained with us. In fact, we need to build a new army for the Syrians. This will naturally be fraught with losses on our part. And the cost of the Syrian company will increase. But losing it will be an order of magnitude worse. Once we got into this gadyushnik, we need to ensure the victory of Syria, and not just throw bombs at Alahakbar in the desert. So do not win.
    1. Ratmir
      Ratmir 16 January 2016 11: 12
      0
      The Syrian army has been fighting for the fifth year and it is thanks to it that the statehood of Syria exists, unlike, for example, Libya, in which the Armed Forces were given much less attention and as a result, the Libyan army died in a heroic struggle in 9 months. The Syrian army does not need to be "trained", it is necessary to help with weapons and teach how to work on these models. I don't think it will take long for this.
  6. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 07: 31
    +3
    Quote: novobranets
    How many copies were broken in the debate about the "Terminator" - needed, not needed. In Syria, this can be found out by sending there heels of experimental vehicles. At the same time, the existing shortcomings will come to light.


    Like a testing ground, that's great. But the weather will not do of course. In general, I think that there it is necessary to deploy a division of contract soldiers on the sly and run in combat operations using new types of equipment, weapons, communications. When else would such a case introduce itself? It is not known when this experience will come in handy, times are turbulent now ....
  7. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 07: 42
    +4
    Quote: Valery 1966
    I watched. I made a huge impression. Urgent need to put on the conveyor.


    Well, the contraption is certainly not bad. It’s just too painfully specialized. For the city basically. And for its stripping, not defense. And then only as an aid to an ordinary tank covered by infantry. All the same, nothing better than the 152mm HE shell from the time of the Second World War was not invented for work in cities. In my opinion, it is more effective and universal to put a combat module with a 152mm cannon on Armata. Fortunately, it was declared as planned for installation.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 January 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: cobra77
      Well, the contraption is certainly not bad. It’s just too painfully specialized. For the city basically.

      The main hostilities in recent years are in urban areas, so there is no problem. Another thing is that BMPT - this is what, in theory, and should have been BMP-1 only without landing. And the logical development of these machines is possible (in principle) in three ways:
      1. Heavy BMP with a light artillery gun and a landing for 4-6 people.
      2. Cheap conversion of old tanks to support motorized rifles and tanks (but instead of 125 mm they should have been 57 mm with a high elevation angle, but with placement in a tower to save production).
      3. Reconnaissance-strike machine.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 18 January 2016 08: 21
        0
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        Another thing is that BMPT - this is what, in theory, and should have been BMP-1 only without landing.
        The BMP-1 is a universal machine, and it has become what it should have become, for the first time in the world and here. The best universal vehicle, in the evolution of this idea, here can be considered BMP-3 and BMD-4M. BMPT is again our idea, and, again, for the first time in the world and here. What is the plus of the BMPT, the emphasis has already been placed on specialization, the BMP has allocated its firing function into a separate heavy vehicle without landing (do not risk an unhurried landing next to tanks). Moreover, the protection of the BMPT is superior to the tank one, that is, the BMPT can not only be used in the first line with tanks, but even send tanks somewhere ahead. What has not been done, the heavy armored personnel carrier has not been allocated, it would have made a good pair in specialization, where the BMPT receives fire support functions, and the heavy armored personnel carrier functions as a highly protected infantry transporter for the second line. If we talk about the use of stocks of old tanks or mastered tank byza (T-72 / T-90), then a heavy armored personnel carrier based on BMO-T could be created for the BMPT. As for the directly heavy BMP, well, you can't add anything without subtracting anything, either the versatility of the BMP will suffer, which is its whole feature, or it will be an under-BMPT or under-armored personnel carrier. The only place where a heavy infantry fighting vehicle will be in place is a "police tank" (anti-guerrilla "tank"), a combat vehicle for explosives in anti-terrorist operations against militants.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 18 January 2016 08: 34
      0
      Quote: cobra77
      In my opinion, it is more efficient and universal to put a combat module with an 152mm gun on Armata.
      There was no point in fencing without a 152 mm cannon and a vegetable garden. In this sense, the T-95 was created as the "Russian Tiger" and "Abrams Kaput", a supertank, a reinforcement tank with a powerful 152 mm cannon, under which they gave all the space of an uninhabited tower.
  8. 31rus
    31rus 16 January 2016 08: 30
    0
    Dear, this equipment has been adopted, if I’m not mistaken, only in Kazakhstan, and even a few units, there is simply no such equipment, therefore you need to help train personnel especially in command and provide modern equipment, tanks, artillery, UAVs of all operational areas, artillery, all modern weapons, with proper use and interaction, much can be achieved, tanks in the Syrian conflict are used mainly only as a moving firing point, so what's the point in BMP?
  9. air wolf
    air wolf 16 January 2016 10: 13
    0
    A dozen Terminators would solve many problems in Syria and possibly in future conflicts. I think that each of our infantry regiments should be accompanied by a platoon of terminators and if it had been released before Chechnya, there would have been no such victims on our part.
    1. midivan
      midivan 16 January 2016 17: 44
      +3
      Quote: air wolf
      I think that each of our infantry regiments should be accompanied by a platoon of terminators and if it had been released before Chechnya, there would have been no such victims on our part.

      there would be no such victims if there were no mu.d.kov in command, as well as corrupt bitches who poured all that was possible for the loot
  10. samoletil18
    samoletil18 16 January 2016 10: 19
    +4
    In my opinion, despite the many advantages, the technology mentioned in the article will not have much significance in the current conditions of the Syrian war. It is necessary to stupidly engage in the construction of the armed forces of the SAR again. And here outdated armored vehicles will show themselves quite well. It is still necessary to work out the interaction of genera and species, sometimes you look at the cart, so the rallying of units would be established first, and then, to a heap, and fundamentally new models of weapons for them, so that the service does not seem like honey, to deliver. In the early 90s, the Taliban occupied almost all of Afghanistan with the T-54, and fought against the regular army with the appropriate equipment. And the author writes that there are hundreds of T54, -55 in warehouses and bases. Or is it no longer prestigious to use 100mm OFS against beards? When the infantry learns to maintain these tanks and everything is clear from the air, then BMOP, BMPT and "kakva with tea" will be just right. In the meantime, it is necessary to give what is easier to learn and more in number.
  11. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 16 January 2016 10: 38
    0
    current article! in the realities there is an extremely useful thing.
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 16 January 2016 12: 22
    0
    this is indeed a finest hour in Syria for armored vehicles of this class, but it requires specially trained personnel, competent planning and interaction of all participants in operations, but Russian ground units do not directly participate in ground operations, except for the airborne forces ...
  13. serge siberian
    serge siberian 16 January 2016 12: 35
    0
    that's always something that is needed the day before yesterday will be in a week! After all, there is no money, and there will be no money for such needs! , cheat !!
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 16 January 2016 12: 44
    +1
    Of course, in Syria, it is definitely necessary to run in this copy. All questions will disappear immediately, whether you need it or not. In the form in which it is now, it cannot be sent to Syria. To effectively combat the same ATGM complexes, an optics detector (preferably circular) is needed. In addition, the laser radiation detector and, of course, "red eyes" and not only frontal ones, will not interfere.
    If we talk about deliveries to the Russian army, then in addition to the above, the "Terminator" must have a KAZ, moreover, structurally different from the existing ones, because it will also have to work alongside the infantry.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 January 2016 20: 25
      0
      Quote: TOR2
      Of course, in Syria, it’s definitely necessary to run this instance. All questions immediately or no longer needed.

      There are instances in the Ryazan school. The rest must be done separately. And the Syrians on the carrier platform air defense Cube 57 mm anti-aircraft gun put.
  15. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 16 January 2016 13: 11
    +1
    First you need to separate the flies from cutlets! The terminator is a small-series car, and the viper is generally a prototype! As previously mentioned, the 30mm caliber offset is very weak. That is, for Syria, a car with an 57mm caliber barrel and an automatic mortar will be more relevant! And the terminator is good in tank combat, for cutting off infantry from enemy tanks, destroying anti-tank missile calculations, and non-global incapacitation of tanks with 30mm guns, and finishing missiles ... But you can pick out spirits from the basement with such a thing for a long time ...
    And another question, about the tactics of the Syrians. Which is very weak, combat coordination is bad ... What saves is that there are even bigger woodpeckers against them, absolutely inadequate and not appreciating life ...
    I suppose, with the coordinated action of the infantry and tanks, according to science, the Syrians are stuffing pepper with the broads, and using the existing equipment!
  16. V
    V 16 January 2016 15: 00
    0
    Terminator (crew of 7 specially trained people) Where will Syria take these people?
  17. Chtononibrator
    Chtononibrator 16 January 2016 15: 20
    +1
    Cheaper to equip the Syrian BMP-2 with dynamic protection, screens or self-propelled ala ISU-152 to equip. And the concept of the BMPT Utopia is a tank with deteriorated weapons.
  18. Ratmir
    Ratmir 16 January 2016 16: 38
    0
    The Syrian army has been fighting for the fifth year and it is thanks to it that the statehood of Syria exists, unlike, for example, Libya, in which the Armed Forces were given much less attention and as a result, the Libyan army died in a heroic struggle in 9 months. The Syrian army does not need to be "trained", it is necessary to help with weapons and teach how to work on these models. I don't think it will take long for this.
  19. iouris
    iouris 16 January 2016 17: 56
    0
    "Dry theory, my friend, and the tree of life is lushly green" (Faust)
    Practice is higher than theory. Before the appearance of the Terminator, it was necessary to organize a firm to "tune" combat vehicles to support tanks in the city. The experience of such tuning can be realized in serial samples.
  20. Cobra77
    Cobra77 16 January 2016 18: 23
    +1
    Quote: RATMIR
    The Syrian army has been fighting for the fifth year and it is thanks to it that the statehood of Syria exists, unlike, for example, Libya, in which the Armed Forces were given much less attention and as a result, the Libyan army died in a heroic struggle in 9 months. The Syrian army does not need to be "trained", it is necessary to help with weapons and teach how to work on these models. I don't think it will take long for this.


    The Libyan army died because Air strikes of Western democracies began. Otherwise, everything would be different.
    The Syrian army has long been different from what it was during the Yom Kippur War. Take an interest in the history of the Syrian conflict, there is just the point is that quite a lot of the Syrian army fought with itself. Not everyone supported Assad. A part went to the "Syrian opposition", especially a lot went from the infantry units. And the years of the war turned the army into a rather motley and poorly combat-ready. Most of the regular soldiers were killed. There is no one and no time to conduct training. People are tired of fighting. And there is no global idea for rallying. We see the result, even with the help of our VKS working directly in the Stakhanov way, the Syrians have rather weak successes. And we supply quite a few weapons to the Syrians, both now and before the start of the Aerospace Forces operation. It is there that you need to build an army anew. Train officers. Without them, the army is just a crowd of dudes with Kalash, well, like in Africa ...
    1. Tooth
      Tooth 16 January 2016 21: 47
      0
      That's right!
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 17 January 2016 03: 08
      0
      The problem is not that the Syrian army is weak. Whatever she was she was stronger than their enemies.
      They are simply few. Small army. And the territories are large. And the losses for them are very sensitive.

      There are many militants - they are coming from all over the world.
  21. tchoni
    tchoni 16 January 2016 18: 34
    -4
    Something people are already painfully to small things in 30 mm breathing unevenly. The only value of such, so to speak, guns is that they are easy to pick up at a decent height ...
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 16 January 2016 22: 37
      +1
      Density of fire or a second volley in kg in dense buildings has not yet been canceled. Like it or not, a 30mm autocannon is much more efficient than a machine gun.
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 17 January 2016 03: 09
      +1
      Ammunition is large and cheaper. The idea of ​​a city tank is not taken from the ceiling. Terminator is one of the options. In Syria, their role is played by Shilka.
  22. Cobra77
    Cobra77 17 January 2016 01: 48
    0
    Quote: cast iron
    Density of fire or a second volley in kg in dense buildings has not yet been canceled. Like it or not, a 30mm autocannon is much more efficient than a machine gun.


    But all this replaces with a margin one shot 152mm HE. What was successfully proved in the Second World War.
  23. Gunther
    Gunther 17 January 2016 02: 01
    +1
    Quote: cobra77
    ... the main thing here is the lack of trained and motivated personnel ...

    This is news)))
    It turns out the Alawites are poorly motivated by the possibility of their complete destruction, and an example of poor motivation is the Kuweyris Air Base (three years of siege).
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 January 2016 21: 30
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      It turns out the Alawites are poorly motivated by the possibility of their complete destruction, and an example of poor motivation is the Kuweyris Air Base (three years of siege).

      As a percentage of the Syrian population, the Alawites are few, and motivation and preparation are two different things.
  24. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 17 January 2016 22: 21
    0
    There are big doubts about the "Terminator". It has not been tested in real combat, FALSE in production, seemingly bulky and VULNERABLE, five crew members. I agree that it would be good to send such a car to Syria to fight! BUT! Who will go to fight on it? Train the Syrians? I doubt it. Yes, and the method of application is unclear, in general, until a REAL rooster bites in one place, no one in Russia will bring this car to mind.
    1. Aristocrat
      Aristocrat 18 January 2016 23: 26
      0
      It is not clear why you got that Terminator vulnerable? According to experts, it is better protected than a tank. IMHO certainly not worse. Again, five crew members are you voicing as a cause of vulnerability?!?!?
  25. Bene valete
    Bene valete 18 January 2016 18: 43
    0
    For urban cars
    then it is necessary, remember Chechnya ... there would be dozens, if not hundreds, of such "things", lives would have been saved. With a 125 mm fool, she rummages around the narrow streets ... not effectively what is needed! Grenade launchers and infantry of 30 mm will be swept away, and with a racket with a land mine, you can also demolish fortified points. Only combat use, will reveal all the advantages and disadvantages
  26. Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 18 January 2016 23: 16
    0
    Quote: Chtononibrator
    Cheaper to equip the Syrian BMP-2 with dynamic protection, screens or self-propelled ala ISU-152 to equip. And the concept of the BMPT Utopia is a tank with deteriorated weapons.

    Thin armor explosives? Turn on the toggle switch on the back of your head :) If not present, then nothing will help))) Don’t be offended :)
    ISU-152 showed itself perfectly in Berlin, demolishing entire houses with fascists, but there were more Faust cartridges and they became more perfect :( They will be eliminated from the ATGM :(

    Regarding the latter, again, sorry, but you are not at all in the subject :(
    The BMPT is not a tank at all, and its armament is not "deteriorated" as you put it, but is sharpened for other tasks with which the tank cannot cope. More precisely, with less efficiency (at times less).
  27. Roll
    Roll 1 February 2016 23: 07
    0
    Saudushka is running out of steam, and the tanks have already begun to run out of them, at least the T72 flickers less and less in the battle chronicle, the old t 55 and t 62 flicker more and more. But BMPTs in cities are irreplaceable, which was proved by the Jews who remade captured tanks under the BMPT, although the armament was only a heavy machine gun, but the efficiency in urban battles was at its best.
  28. iAi
    iAi 13 February 2016 12: 55
    0
    Yes, not "Terminators", but still "Vipers". Terminator is a product created by UVZ for sales! for money! The goal of a business is to make a profit.

    But in a real war, real, not expensive solutions are needed: I suppose that these will be outdated tanks, tightly hung with trellised screens, armed with a heavy machine gun of the KPVT.

    Preferably, in a good fast tower with sights.
    It is advisable to still have a coaxial machine gun Maxim and an automatic grenade launcher (all with water cooling).