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Will Odyssey need for Troy?

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Strange things continue to happen in the DPR. Very little information, it comes with great difficulty and a bunch of opinions and comments. But the case of the special purpose unit "Troy" really begins to leak into the information environment. Often through the efforts of caring people and with the help of social networks.


Will Odyssey need for Troy?


In the mainstream DPR media space, silence and grace.

However, for almost two weeks the troop unit of the Troja has been under blockade. The fighters are blocked in their location, several times information has been received about the upcoming assault. The assault, however, did not take place. Largely due to the reputation of the unit. This applies to the warhead, and questions of honor.

Nobody really voiced claims to “Troy”, it seems that ordinary Donetsk “misunderstandings” turned into the fact that the detachment actually took up defensive positions.

What happened in Donetsk and why, in order to “hush up” the “Troy” case, they tried to give an order to assault even such a well-known division as “Somalia”? By the way, Givi refused to comply with this order. Despite the fact that he entered from the command of the corps.

Somalia is actually a battalion. Troy is close in numbers to a company. Here the essence is not in the numbers, the essence is in the skills and respect for the comrades on the martial cause.

What do the Troy fighters say about what is happening? To begin with, I will cite the official statement of the Troops special forces unit "Troy" distributed via the Internet.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF OSPN "TROY"

In order to curb the possibility of false information being inserted by provocateurs and our enemies in the DPR Defense Ministry, we want to clearly state our position:

We fully support the elected head of the People’s Republic of Donetsk, Alexander Zakharchenko.

All our actions are aimed at combating the plundering of money and material assets in the DNR army, nepotism and corruption that prevail in its ranks. We also oppose the moral degradation of the army, the spread of drug addiction, drug trafficking, trade weapons and "protection" instead of strengthening the republic’s defense.

If we do not put things in order now by joint efforts, then tomorrow the APU and the Nazi punitive battalions (which, unlike us, are now engaged in training, equipment and exercises) will wipe out the DPR and deal with all those who participated in the referendum on independence.


All clear? It seems not. The statement says things far from the front. And smelling, roughly speaking, a riot. But.

If you look at what OSPN "Troy" is, who serves there, who commands, how many questions disappear by themselves. Yes, Vladimir Novikov, “White” and “Alabai” are not as widely promoted in the media as Givi and Motorola, but this does not mean that the actions they did are not known. Very well known. Because "Givi" and refused to comply with the order.

Saur-grave, Ilovaysk, Gorlovka, Zuevka, Debaltseve ... History action "Troy" is very saturated and, to be honest, successful.

But, ask, then what is the essence of the confrontation?

And the essence is this. The Troy fighters were detained ... let's say, two addicts seated in the trash. Introduced militias.



Further, from the detainees were obtained information about the dealer. And all traces led again to the headquarters of the third brigade under the command of Ostap Chorny. Then began an open confrontation between the OSPN "Troy" and the command of the brigade, which resulted in what we have at the moment. "Troy" took up defensive positions.

The corps command is in a state of complete confusion, since it is quite clearly aware that on the one hand, it cannot order the assault by the forces of the DPR Defense Ministry of the reconnaissance company OSPN Troy’s dislocation point, since this, given the consequences, will lead to a social explosion "in the whole republic.

On the other hand, you need to somehow save your skin and the skins of corrupt officers, otherwise in the case of mass arrests and investigative actions, a series of disclosures, "surrender reports" and "sincere confessions based on deep repentance will go." This option is also not happy. For it smells pretty disastrous.

The authorities have not yet taken any action. True, last week, in the center of Yenakiyevo, the driver of the field commander "Olkhon" was beaten up by unknown persons in military uniform. The driver is told to transfer “Olkhon” to stop supporting the TROY and to remove the articles against the commander of SMB Ostap Xorni.

There is information that in the same Yenakiyevo there was a certain meeting between authoritative representatives of criminal structures and persons and persons whose interests affected "Alabai", "White" and the personnel of "Troy".

Money, drugs, weapons ... And a small number of special forces, to whom this topic did not like. And the power is silent.

By the way, such alarming topics as the flow of synthetic drugs from Russia into those territories and the smuggling of weapons are worthy of separate articles. And they will follow soon. Not without the help of the disgruntled from among the militias, like "Trojans".

In this situation, the most completely worried is the complete silence on the part of all those who in the NPT should not be silent. And, as an option, the emergence of a large number of those to whom silence is a very gold one. For on every impregnable Troy there is a cunning Odyssey.

By the way, one precedent has already been. I will quote the Trojans again.

“To our deep surprise, Mongoose, whom we previously considered to be a decent officer, showed up at the 3 SMB location. Yes, apparently, they were mistaken. So, this very Mongoose began to make plans very actively and under the pretext of pulling the reconnaissance commander out of the fortified location , and, as we learned from our agents in 3MSB, in collusion with Ostap Cherny, to lure the commander of the reconnaissance company Bely into ambush for the purpose of extermination. I want to convey the werewolf mongoose: “Where you were taught, we taught”. and survive but, as they say in Odessa: “It's too late, aunt, to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off.” Our steps and actions are systematic and coordinated, so there is no need to aggravate the already sad situation ”.

The situation is not easy. But we will closely monitor its development. In the meantime, in battle arrangements, "Troy" everything is fine. And we hope that the end of this story will be, as usual for Troy, victorious.



And the fact that the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR needs urgent cleaning is as clear as daylight. And the actions of the fighters "Troy" more proof of this. Yes, in the DNI today, you can silence a lot. But we intend to give the Trojans exactly the support that they are trying to deprive.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 12 January 2016 06: 11
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    Further, information about the dealer was obtained from the detainees. And all traces led again to the headquarters of the third brigade under the command of Ostap Cherny.


    He said, and again I say, I need to shake up the whole leadership of the DPR and LPR .. too often things began to happen that do not fit into the normal logic of a simple person ....

    the fish always rots from the head.
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 12 January 2016 07: 44
      +5
      A lot can be said about these shots on the video, one thing is clear if all this evil is not removed from the ranks of the Armed Forces of Novorossia with an iron broom, then no matter how scary it sounds, the republics will be doomed! and it was painfully insulting for the dead worthy people for all those who fought and continue to fight the junta and the punishers, because what is happening now is simply not permissible, I am sure competent specially trained people will do this in a tight, they will not be able to think in our FSKN Russia there who needs to show how to work!
      1. Belousov
        Belousov 12 January 2016 09: 30
        +8
        Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.
        1. Yars
          Yars 12 January 2016 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: Belousov
          Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.

          and the evidence is there or bi here to dash but the power to blacken?
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 12 January 2016 14: 45
            +1
            A new head of the MGB has appeared in the DPR (it seems that he has not yet arrived in person). And there are many new people who "decide certain issues in the military sphere." They say that THESE will not be taken "to the basement", as usual, but will be immediately reset to zero.
            So let's make sure who "leaked" whom.

            PS. As we have indicated a problem, this is how a career Israeli employee atalef appears to incite hatred. He also writes that the Sunnis should kill the Shiites, the Druze Salafis, and those - these? This is in Syria, which has existed peacefully longer than Israel and is ALWAYS multinational and multi-confessional. Or has he already begun to write that the Tatars should kill the Russians, and the Russian Tatars, and the Yakuts should expel everyone else, except for the elect? Or time has not come yet?


            Flag - because of pribluda to read ANOTHER site. Forgot to turn it off.
      2. Belousov
        Belousov 12 January 2016 09: 30
        +1
        Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.
        1. kodxnumx
          kodxnumx 12 January 2016 11: 11
          -3
          Quote: Belousov
          Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.

          What is the problem if there is real evidence and not just words to you to drop the address of the FSB of Moscow or take the trouble to find and inform them on the Internet, and if you are engaged in chatter then you need a grandmother on a bench!
        2. Shustov
          Shustov 12 January 2016 16: 34
          +2
          UFSKNs, OBNONs and other brethren are cardboard characters wearing real shoulder straps and this is not a secret for anyone. The cry "smash the UFSKN" will be the most effective causative agent of chaos, since hatred of these corrupt people is already off scale everywhere throughout the post-Soviet space. Where only the CIA looks they have such "chic" allies in Russia why missiles and tanks when people are being killed without war.
      3. andre
        andre 12 January 2016 09: 37
        +6
        Here are the trees, but we have no bandits in uniform, drug protectors? And this despite the fact that our republic-federation is not young!
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 12 January 2016 15: 34
        0
        AND THERE IS THE OTHER SIDE. Company Troy, in which only 18 people walked relishly on NG and as a result a soldier died. According to reports from the DPR - firearms. An officer went there to check - he was fired upon. Realizing that the case smelled of kerosene, the soldiers began to protest and shout that they were surrounded. The leadership of this 3 MSB, to which, by the way, the company is assigned, is trying to revive them, but the "heroes of the atoms" declared that the leadership was corrupt and would not obey it. belay In general, no one understands what to do - it will not work to disarm them without shooting, and they have already pretty much dumped the doctor on social networks. And the other remaining weakly controlled units actively began to front. Personally, I would give them an ultimatum - either they come to their senses or they are knocked down tightly, like ordinary bandos. If someone fits in for them, disarm these units too. The basis of the army is an order, but I want to; I don't want to stay at home. If a unit is not following an order now, how can you rely on it in battle? soldier In general, I believe that the command should not bend under the fronders. Either they obey or they are disarmed, in case of armed resistance - send to visit the batman. am
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 January 2016 07: 54
      -2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      the fish always rots from the head.

      And who's head is Zakharchenko! And Zakharchenko is a bandit.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 12 January 2016 14: 46
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Zakharchenko is someone who is a bandit.

        Is this a statement or a question?
    3. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 08: 06
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      He said, and again I say, I need to shake up the whole leadership of the DPR and LPR .. too often things began to happen that do not fit into the normal logic of a simple person ....

      the fish always rots from the head.

      Everything is much simpler. There is no war as such. and all these special forces and battalions are simply morally decomposed.
      then we went for heroics. and now ?
      No money, no fame.
      so everyone survives as best he can. and this is protection and ..
      What can I say, a huge number of militias are in general Russians. how can you make them obey? overtake the stick - they will leave. with whom you stay.
      So these semi-criminal defenders are walking. are squeezing out businesses. roof. weapons and drugs.
      in general, for all publications and for some information that is from their sources -
      Poroshenko, in general, it’s especially not necessary to strain.
      Will surround the DPR and LPR. blocking supplies (which he does) - by hanging everything on Russia, and having created a grouping of troops many times greater than the forces of the DPR and LPR (so that there would be no temptation for Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky) to start expanding the territory ---- WAIT QUIET.
      These republics, coupled with their military forces --- will eat themselves calmly gnawing like spiders in a jar.
      And how it all began beautifully. people's republics. everything for a person.
      only bandits are in power (maybe someone will say the former) - but only there are no former bandits - that’s the result.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 08: 16
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Will surround the DPR and LPR. blocking supplies (which he does) - by hanging everything on Russia, and having created a grouping of troops many times greater than the forces of the DPR and LPR (so that there would be no temptation for Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky) to start expanding the territory ---- WAIT QUIET.

        Sasha agrees, if a fortress cannot be taken by storm, it is taken by starvation and betrayal, tactics are as old as the world.
      2. Kazakh
        Kazakh 12 January 2016 09: 13
        -1
        only bandits are in power (maybe someone will say the former) - but only there are no former bandits - that’s the result.
        I knew one Thief in law so he saved the whole republic from collapse. So there are different "bandyuk"
      3. Idiot
        Idiot 12 January 2016 10: 16
        +2
        can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?
        1. Kazakh
          Kazakh 12 January 2016 11: 17
          +4
          Quote: pft, fkb
          can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?

          in fact, I meant Tajikistan, but what is going on there among the Jews, I'm not interested
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 12 January 2016 14: 48
          +5
          Quote: pft, fkb
          can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?

          I know that at the dawn of Soviet power, the former Urk Kotovsky became a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 12 January 2016 20: 51
            +4
            Quote: RUSS
            former urka Kotovsky became a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR.


            In Central Asia and Kazakhstan, there were such dofiga - Amangeldy Imanov, Alibi Dzhangildin ...
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        3. Weyland
          Weyland 12 January 2016 20: 54
          +2
          Quote: pft, fkb
          can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?


          Yitzhak Shamir, Menachem Begin (the last one. EMNIP, was sentenced by the Saxons in absentia to the watchtower for terrorism)
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      5. yushch
        yushch 12 January 2016 13: 59
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        He said, and again I say, I need to shake up the whole leadership of the DPR and LPR .. too often things began to happen that do not fit into the normal logic of a simple person ....

        the fish always rots from the head.

        Everything is much simpler. There is no war as such. and all these special forces and battalions are simply morally decomposed.
        then we went for heroics. and now ?
        No money, no fame.
        so everyone survives as best he can. and this is protection and ..
        What can I say, a huge number of militias are in general Russians. how can you make them obey? overtake the stick - they will leave. with whom you stay.
        So these semi-criminal defenders are walking. are squeezing out businesses. roof. weapons and drugs.
        in general, for all publications and for some information that is from their sources -
        Poroshenko, in general, it’s especially not necessary to strain.
        Will surround the DPR and LPR. blocking supplies (which he does) - by hanging everything on Russia, and having created a grouping of troops many times greater than the forces of the DPR and LPR (so that there would be no temptation for Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky) to start expanding the territory ---- WAIT QUIET.
        These republics, coupled with their military forces --- will eat themselves calmly gnawing like spiders in a jar.
        And how it all began beautifully. people's republics. everything for a person.
        only bandits are in power (maybe someone will say the former) - but only there are no former bandits - that’s the result.


        It's too early for you to bury the republics and sing the praises of Poroshenko. The fact that the command has this is understandable, but they will put things in order, it’s just a goldfish that fulfills wishes in a fairy tale, but in life it’s a difficult and painstaking process. Regarding the smuggling of drugs and weapons from Russia, you Didn’t you read Roman’s articles about how difficult it was to transport humanitarian aid across the border? What can we say about smuggling? Well, and about the enemy, no matter which group they focus on the border, they have the same problems only an order of magnitude more powerful. Because they have real anarchy.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 14: 07
          +1
          Quote: yushch
          It's too early you bury the republics and sing the praises of Poroshenko

          Yes, I do not bury and praises do not sing. I say that I see.
          Then you don’t have to be seven spans in the forehead
          Quote: yushch
          The fact that there is a command in this is understandable, but they will restore order

          Well, here’s how they will bring it - and we’ll talk

          Quote: yushch
          . Regarding the smuggling of drugs and weapons from Russia, have you not read Roman’s article on how difficult it was to transport humanitarian aid across the border?

          Unlike you, I’m talking to Roman and often know what this is about.
          Who told you that drugs only go to Russia? She goes to Ukraine and further in transit

          Quote: yushch
          ? What then to say about smuggling

          There is no problem to smuggle smuggling, there is no problem to drive stolen cars. there are generally no grandmothers and no problems
          Quote: yushch
          Well, about the enemy, no matter what grouping they are concentrating on the border, they have the same problems only an order of magnitude more powerful

          what kind ?
          Quote: yushch
          Because they have real anarchy there

          Where?
          1. yushch
            yushch 12 January 2016 14: 59
            +2
            [quote = yushch] Well, regarding the enemy, no matter what group they focus on the border, they have the same problems only an order of magnitude more powerful [/ quote]
            what kind ?
            [quote = yushch] Because they have real anarchy there [/ quote]
            Where? [/ Quote]

            Do not turn on the fool just, okay? What are the problems? - Drunkenness, drug addiction and smuggling. What other problems? - Moral decay due to the lack of a database. Where? - On the side of the enemy in this case, the APU. You probably also clearly see the problems of Donbass from Israel, how are we Israel's problems from Russia?
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 16: 08
            +1
            Yes, I do not bury and praises do not sing. I say that I see.


            And you're doing the right thing. Because on a call from the Kremlin, when necessary, all this criminal shushara will be quickly swept away, since again it will be necessary to show the dill "Kuz'kuin's mother". Yes, and they will not be allowed to gnaw. Everyone walks under the Moscow roof.
          3. cap
            cap 12 January 2016 22: 25
            0
            Quote: atalef

            Quote: yushch
            ?What then talk about smuggling

            There is no problem to smuggle smuggling, there is no problem to drive stolen cars. there are generally no grandmothers and no problems
            Quote: yushch
            Well, about the enemy, no matter what grouping they are concentrating on the border, they have the same problems only an order of magnitude more powerful

            what kind ?
            Quote: yushch
            Because they have real anarchy there

            Where?


            What where When?
            Bets are made. We spin the drum. Experts against the audience.
            I wonder who will win this round.
            In general, it resembles a dialogue between Shurik and a policeman.
            "-and then on the ruins of the old fortress ..."
            "-What did I destroy the fortress ..?"
            "-no it was before you in the 15th century .."
            laughing
            Nearest flights "Ben Gurion (TLV) - Kiev"
            Only 210 flights !!! Travel time 3 hours 15 minutes
            You can see everything with your own eyes.
      6. Alekseev
        Alekseev 12 January 2016 15: 44
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Everything is much simpler.

        The Son of Israel seems to have just left the Donetsk showdown: he knows all the reasons and what to do. And it's simple.
        It seems that inwardly glad things:
        Quote: atalef
        These republics, together with their thieves, will quietly devour themselves, gnawing like spiders in a bank.

        Do not rejoice in advance, many will probably devour themselves (and have eaten already, it has always been like this in such cases), but this will only make the republics better. And about eating the DPR and LPR themselves, other persons decide there.
        Also, do not delude yourself that Parashenka's Rooster and the company are terribly happy that they need to mobilize and keep a lot of warriors in the Donbass. Waiting ... lol Well this is a lot of problems, ranging from the enormous burden on the budget, the discontent of the masses, whose sons should be engaged in an unsafe and foul servant, ending with the same drug addiction and crime among the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nat. battalions.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 08: 14
      -1
      we intend to provide the Trojans with exactly the kind of support they are trying to deprive them of.
      We have already supported the whole site ... personally, I-pass. I don’t like what is happening there, too much turbidity.
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 08: 38
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        we intend to provide the Trojans with exactly the kind of support they are trying to deprive them of.
        We have already supported the whole site ... personally, I-pass. I don’t like what is happening there, too much turbidity.

        Hi Andrew.
        Congratulations to the old NG 9 in advance 0
        I like this too
        WE ARE RESPONSIBLE - why? And what do they owe to the Russians?
    5. 222222
      222222 12 January 2016 10: 09
      0
      The same LEKHA (2) RU

      "" "I spoke and I say again to shake up the entire leadership of the DPR and LPR" ""
      ..not ventilating the HEAD .. a blow to the balls will not save !!

      People :: "The strength of the army is in discipline"
      "Discipline is against dam disorder",
      "Discipline is a mighty force"

      , "Discipline is the guarantee of victory",
      "Discipline to keep is to win"

      And here is how prominent commanders assessed the importance of military discipline.
      .. Even in the XNUMXth century, Marshal of Saxony said: "If discipline is not wisely established and observed with unshakable firmness, you cannot rely on the troops: they turn into a vile crowd, more dangerous to the state than even the enemy."
      ..The great Russian commander Generalissimo A.V. Suvorov repeatedly repeated that "discipline is the mother of victory"
      … .A well-known Russian military theorist and teacher, General of Infantry, MI Dragomirov, in the requirements for a soldier in second place after devotion to the Motherland before selflessness put discipline and discipline.

      Lenin said: "In any war, victory is ultimately determined by the state of mind of those masses who shed their blood on the battlefield."
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 January 2016 11: 11
      +1
      I agree. Only the process is obviously going on since six months, when they began to shoot the battalion commanders. Dremov, Mozgovoy, etc. All this is already known in history. From the beginning the enthusiasm of the masses, then the division of power, then the cash flows. For the authorities of the DPR, the war is now beneficial. She will push everything aside and write it off.
    7. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 12 January 2016 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA

      He said, and again I say, I need to shake up the whole leadership of the DPR and LPR .. too often things began to happen that do not fit into the normal logic of a simple person ....

      the fish always rots from the head.


      By analogy with your statement, we can cite a MASS of the likes of the need to "shake up" the government of the Russian Federation and the power structures close to the president ("close circle", "confidants", untouchable "Chubais-vekselbergs") ...

      Is something done until the fried pecked? There, similarly ...
    8. mirag2
      mirag2 12 January 2016 16: 31
      0
      Video from the J Day channel. I've been watching this channel since the beginning of that year, the main contingent of those watching videos from it are dill, who gloat, because the content is still on it. All negative from the DPR.
      And Troy ... I think that Novikov (Alabay) is our man, but who is posting this video ...
      Alabai Channel:
      http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDzVlB1sXW_UTSEvdZGW6XA
      Channel J Day:
      http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMtF8NSSkRHP65ipqbzMVSg
      ps by the way, the video "the punishers are jumping on sorting" -his (Alabai), the full version seems to be not there, I have it, saved to the archive ...
      And the video with the interrogation of the journalist (where they shot over his ear) is also his. I do not think that the owner of the J Day channel is a "Trojan" himself.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 12 January 2016 16: 34
        -1
        Latest video from J Day:
        Last video from Alabai channel:
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 12 January 2016 16: 48
          0
          Video there:
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        3. Ducksar
          Ducksar 12 January 2016 20: 09
          +1
          add a video to the topic from Andrey Filatov
  2. Grbear
    Grbear 12 January 2016 06: 31
    -1
    How right is Putin that he did not officially support the LD "NRespublika" ... Muti in their leadership is too much, along with healthy forces. They have to get sick themselves, otherwise the "damned again" didn't give something. hi
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 12 January 2016 07: 08
      +4
      Politics may be true here. See who is worth what, how it behaves.
      As for itself rowing. In the sense that the foam from a boiling boiler should be removed. Seen from the positive side. From the negative, I don’t want to watch, I’m tired!
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 January 2016 08: 12
        +3
        Quote: avva2012
        Politics may be true here

        Well, to listen to you, there is no visible plan everywhere. led by the all-seeing eye of the Kremlin.

        Quote: avva2012
        See who is worth what, how it behaves.
        As for itself rowing. In the sense that the foam from a boiling boiler should be removed.

        Yes ? and then change to whom? how many have already changed? Who was removed. who escaped - it’s worth listing7
        Who remembers the Gubarevs. Tsarevs. Borodaev. Strelkova and an endless series of similar ones or already in the grave of those lying.
        But what is the use of 7 in what these areas under the control of national heroes have turned into? into gangster dens. and what’s the most interesting thing - who is to blame for all this? wink
        1. Idiot
          Idiot 12 January 2016 10: 18
          +6
          The most massive gangster stash - Ukraine
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        3. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2016 16: 11
          -1
          Well, to listen to you, there is no visible plan everywhere. led by the all-seeing eye of the Kremlin.


          Well, not everywhere, and it does not always work, but there are places where "draining" is simply impossible. And Donbass is one of the main such places.

          And he beat himself in the chest with his heel, that you cannot speak to "you" ... there is no truth anywhere bully
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 12 January 2016 07: 09
      +3
      And you do not confuse Zakharchenko and the militias ... The Kremlin "humanitarian aid" has clearly defined whom it supports in the confrontation between the "leadership" and the "field commanders".
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 08: 18
        +3
        Quote: samarin1969
        The Kremlin "humanitarian aid" has clearly defined whom it supports in the confrontation between the "leadership" and the "field commanders."

        I'm afraid to imagine how they make money on "humanitarian aid"!
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 12 January 2016 06: 34
    +5
    There was a clan struggle for power, we went through this in the 90s, and there we couldn't get on a rake.
  4. vsoltan
    vsoltan 12 January 2016 07: 08
    +5
    Quote: GrBear
    How right is Putin that he did not officially support the LD "NRespublika" ... Muti in their leadership is too much, along with healthy forces. They have to get sick themselves, otherwise the "damned again" didn't give something. hi


    A very interesting statement ... when will our leaders "get sick"?
  5. avva2012
    avva2012 12 January 2016 07: 12
    +3
    Quote: vsoltan
    Quote: GrBear
    How right is Putin that he did not officially support the LD "NRespublika" ... Muti in their leadership is too much, along with healthy forces. They have to get sick themselves, otherwise the "damned again" didn't give something. hi


    A very interesting statement ... when will our leaders "get sick"?

    Given a different country size and disproportionate amount of resources? Twenty-five years have passed. Maybe enough already?
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 January 2016 07: 18
    +3
    nepotism and corruption reigning in its ranks

    As in many armed conflicts. We did not have time to take a break from serious hostilities, when all the husks that were not visible (or which were not paid attention to) during the war begin to float out. In this situation, much will depend on Zakharchenko himself. If he treats this with integrity and without looking back at anyone else, then the situation can be corrected. So far, everything is in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine.
  7. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 12 January 2016 07: 39
    +2
    In my opinion, Stalin is needed there. For all. As always, Roman and Co. are great. Raise these topics. I hope that the curators' patience will run out and they will begin to really change at least something in Novorossiya.
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 January 2016 08: 17
      +1
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      In my opinion, Stalin is needed there

      well, dig it up and bring it.
      only on whom will Ontam rely? On the same local bandits? Or he will run with a revolver and put things in order.
      The king is played by a retinue. and the retinue there are solid thugs.
      They are local and united.
      Everyone knows everything.
      Fight with them, the very boss will be demolished.
      Who was Zakharchenko? one of the leaders of OPLOT - the largest gangster group in Donetsk.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 January 2016 08: 21
        -3
        Quote: atalef
        well, dig it up and bring it.

        laughing
        Quote: atalef
        Who was Zakharchenko? one of the leaders of OPLOT - the largest gangster group in Donetsk.

        And why was he, that he is no longer an authority among his fellows?
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 January 2016 08: 41
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: atalef
          well, dig it up and bring it.

          laughing
          Quote: atalef
          Who was Zakharchenko? one of the leaders of OPLOT - the largest gangster group in Donetsk.

          And why was he, that he is no longer an authority among his fellows?

          Well, in general, why was it?
          Hey . Sanya.
          With old NG (upcoming) drinks
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 January 2016 08: 53
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            With old NG (upcoming)

            Sanya, maybe for kefir recourse
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 January 2016 09: 21
              +1
              Why not? Tomorrow evening
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 12 January 2016 14: 29
          -1
          In general, of course, it is very interesting how many different "liberals" and their "friends" in particular from Israel got out and became more active smile
          Apparently the New Year has come new budget allocated new money for propaganda lol
          And various kinds of misunderstandings will continue to exist in the republics for a long time, in fact, they need now to "throw off" the yoke of an agreement with the Poroshenko regime, which is supported by the United States and Israel, and to liberate the entire territory of their republics from nationalists, fascists and other "evil spirits".
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 12 January 2016 21: 25
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And why was he, that he is no longer an authority among his fellows?

          The gang practically as a concept has become a thing of the past, and Zakharchenko is not drawn to authority, of course he is not a cherub, but there is no need to mold a crime boss or a thief out of him.
      2. Stauffenberg
        Stauffenberg 12 January 2016 09: 01
        -1
        And now what to stand and bleat? If it doesn’t work out, then we’ll wind up all this crap and go home.
  8. Riv
    Riv 12 January 2016 08: 30
    +2
    Here is how you want ... At least minus. But I looked at the pretentious emblem on the starting photo and thought: "With a Greek helmet on the emblem, wars are not won and revolutions are not made." This is a show, some kind of chegevarstvo. Che, of course, a hero and all that, but ... without the pragmatic Fidel, he would not have achieved anything.

    When that first putsch happened, I was on duty in the company. The rumor passed that Gobach was tied. Layoffs canceled. Joy! I sit in Lenin's room at night, stick it into the TV and there - Makashov in a beret. And on the very first day of the coup it became clear to me that Nichrome would not come of it. Clowns in berets can only screw things up.

    This is the association. But I didn't read the article. Sorry, author, you shouldn't have tried.
  9. Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 January 2016 08: 32
    +3
    “Did the Kremlin merge?” ... Who and what to merge here? Everything will be merged without the help of the Kremlin, and then they will flee to Russia. Increasingly, thoughts come to mind that they will merge the people who remain there. For any selfish interest they will merge if they are not stopped.
  10. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 January 2016 09: 00
    +4
    It seems that these territories can never be independent. This will end with the introduction of peacekeeping forces and the establishment of Kiev power with elements of local representation. If by this time the Kiev government itself does not collapse.
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 January 2016 09: 03
    +3
    Fig, there things are happening ...
    The words about the transit of drugs to Russia are especially "pleasing".
  12. Gunther
    Gunther 12 January 2016 09: 05
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    the fish always rots from the head.

    And who's head is Zakharchenko! And Zakharchenko is a bandit.

    And what does Surkov’s head not like?
    Such a normal head ...
  13. avva2012
    avva2012 12 January 2016 09: 14
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: avva2012
    Politics may be true here

    Well, to listen to you, there is no visible plan everywhere. led by the all-seeing eye of the Kremlin.

    Quote: avva2012
    See who is worth what, how it behaves.
    As for itself rowing. In the sense that the foam from a boiling boiler should be removed.

    Yes ? and then change to whom? how many have already changed? Who was removed. who escaped - it’s worth listing7
    Who remembers the Gubarevs. Tsarevs. Borodaev. Strelkova and an endless series of similar ones or already in the grave of those lying.
    But what is the use of 7 in what these areas under the control of national heroes have turned into? into gangster dens. and what’s the most interesting thing - who is to blame for all this? wink

    What, is it suddenly on you, Alexander?
    And, about the "invisible plan from the Kremlin," so, I will say, here you are smart, but I'm not very good. And, therefore, I do not want to look at all this, only through the prism I caught, ate, vys-l. There is hope for the Kremlin, and that they are there for sure, they are smarter and more literate.
    I read a colleague's comment about Fidel. Not an option. The foam will be removed, and such a person will be delivered (returned)? And to say, "everything is bad, everything is bad, all kA-ly", tired!
  14. Gunther
    Gunther 12 January 2016 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    WE ARE RESPONSIBLE - why? And what do they owe to the Russians?

    Have you already felt like a Russian, in anticipation of "kefirchik"?)))
    And they are obliged because commodity-money relations are inappropriate, we are not hucksters and not usurers
    Russians do not abandon their own.
  15. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 12 January 2016 09: 26
    +6
    Yes-ah-ah ... sad things are happening there. And they show us on TV that in Donetsk almost no roses are blooming and everyone is so happy ..
    Bandit Zakharchenko or not a bandit, what goals he pursues - selfish or miners and the population of Donetsk - only time will tell.
    In fact, there is nothing unusual about drugs-weapons-corruption taking place there now.
    Where weapons roam freely, and the border is incomprehensible, dark deeds always begin to happen. And it will continue until specialized structures designed to combat such phenomena are created and gain experience.
    The rush of the special forces of "Troy" is patriotic and in the mind, faith in conscience is correct, but how Zakharchenko will react to everything that has developed - the question ... Probably this will be a turning point that will show which side he will support - drug gangsters or fighters with weapons in the hands of those who extract freedom for the DPR.
  16. Belousov
    Belousov 12 January 2016 09: 42
    +3
    The muddy business continues in the LPR. One gets the impression that the Kremlin either ignored the situation or is completely unaware of what is happening. Because when the targeted shooting of field commanders begins, and now this is exactly what is happening, this is a very bad situation. In a situation where there is no clear-cut structure and hierarchy in the armed subunits, any loss of a real combat commander leads to serious damage, primarily moral, a drop in combat readiness and morale.
  17. kav669
    kav669 12 January 2016 10: 15
    +1
    While there is complete lawlessness in the DPR and LPR, each commander with his unit in his village is sitting and doing whatever they want. There is no money and they are selling the most popular drugs, weapons. What Dombas is part of Russia ?? enough of their criminals
  18. atakan
    atakan 12 January 2016 10: 16
    +2
    Quote: GrBear
    They have to get sick themselves, otherwise the "cursed again" didn't give something.

    What nonsense?
    Themselves owe, and how much? The autopsy showed that the patient died from the autopsy, and before that he was ill for 10 years? Another thing is that in Russia we have a very negative selection of candidates for power. Something is being stupid again in the Kremlin, or the LPNR was given to the children of the Aligarhs to play? This is exactly the impression that the strategy of indirect actions was written for ???! Is it difficult to "build" two dozen micro-aligarchs and field commanders?
    Or is someone afraid to pinch his finger? Moreover, there is still someone to rely on and the agents are deployed.
  19. bambula
    bambula 12 January 2016 10: 33
    -6
    DNR and LC a bunch of drug addicts and criminals
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 12 January 2016 20: 59
      -1
      Quote: bambula
      DNR and LC a bunch of drug addicts and criminals


      I remembered:
      Strongman Bambula
      broke 4 chairs,
      fifth - bed -
      but you can't break matches!

      and also arioso Canio on non-stale mov:

      Regochi, bamboo, over the unstoppable kohannes!
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  20. avva2012
    avva2012 12 January 2016 10: 46
    -1
    Quote: bambula
    DNR and LC a bunch of drug addicts and criminals

    Well, how without them on the site, without sch are not in merlins?
  21. Chulman
    Chulman 12 January 2016 11: 00
    -3
    Do not fucking create all these gatherings of republics! Everyone wants to reign, here's the result. So everything is one, that the DNR, that Ukraine. We ourselves have a lot of such shit!
  22. Reeds
    Reeds 12 January 2016 11: 09
    +1
    As sad as it may sound, but it was expected, after all, the basis of the army is, for the most part, ordinary people.
    Cleaning is needed not only in the upper echelons, but also in the units themselves.
    Specialists from "Troy" well done, good luck to them in their struggle.
  23. O. Bender
    O. Bender 12 January 2016 11: 18
    -1
    Ukraine is the territory of the power of drugs and alcohol, and I have long known about this neponaslyshke. And Donbass may be the former but Ukraine. The bandits and those who had to resist them also earned on drugs. The roots are deep and it will be oh, how difficult if not impossible to pull them out.
  24. sagitta25
    sagitta25 12 January 2016 11: 44
    +2
    Quote: kod3001
    What is the problem if there is real evidence and not just words to you to drop the address of the FSB of Moscow or take the trouble to find and inform them on the Internet, and if you are engaged in chatter then you need a grandmother on a bench!
    Well, don't be silly. Those who create lawlessness in the army and in the militia are in the bodies, they will NEVER be imprisoned. Well, why should Vanka go and talk like go to court or to the prosecutor's office? We all know perfectly well that if you have the loot, then nothing will happen to you. Vaughn Serdyukov was caught by the hand and, as a result, was released. Now he has climbed into a new place of bread for the aircraft industry. They showed a video about the CHAIKA and also zero sense ... And here the tembol will not do anything because they themselves are the cover of this business !!!
  25. Zebus
    Zebus 12 January 2016 12: 00
    0
    the leadership of the DPR Ministry of Defense needs urgent cleaning, as clear as daylight

    It is necessary to ".. soak in the toilet ..." (c) GDP
  26. Idiot
    Idiot 12 January 2016 12: 12
    -1
    How. I wrote that Ukraine has a bandostan and immediately my rating became -500.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 12 January 2016 12: 17
      +1
      so don't write nonsense laughing
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 January 2016 12: 19
    +1
    Well, it never happened, and now again. Go fight the Makhnovshchina, and soon the head of "Troy" - "the unknown Ukrainian DRG" will come to heart.
  28. DPN
    DPN 12 January 2016 12: 19
    0
    When the Military does not have a job, idleness is drawn to; feats; , it is in any business.
  29. Des10
    Des10 12 January 2016 12: 56
    +2
    “By the way, such disturbing topics as the flow of synthetic drugs from those territories to Russia and the smuggling of weapons are worthy of separate articles. And they will follow in the near future.
    .
    In the current situation, what is most disturbing is the complete silence on the part of all those who should not be silent in the DPR. "

    The Ukrainian media immediately published articles about the past and present of many LPNR leaders, but, as is customary, our media did not see this (including VO) - there was no command, of course.
    Therefore, now such articles are perceived for someone as an unexpected and unpleasant reality, for someone as another command execution ("truth to the masses").
    If there are such correct ones - Troy, Somalia, the Ghost, etc. - why don't they rule? Who manages the development of these territories is the question (not for the Ukrainian press).
  30. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 12 January 2016 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: kod3001
    Quote: Belousov
    Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.

    What is the problem if there is real evidence and not just words to you to drop the address of the FSB of Moscow or take the trouble to find and inform them on the Internet, and if you are engaged in chatter then you need a grandmother on a bench!

    And what is wrong I can’t stand it when it’s so easy to throw such things like this in the Samara region, the UFSKN protects the drug business, what is it like stupidly throwing in from a lantern, if there is data, then with them there is a direct road to the FSB there in a stroke all the roofs will be dismantled and You will not be hanged a medal if there is no data for a catchphrase to carry such nonsense. Then the minuses were stuck as if I wrote something wrong.
  31. Shustov
    Shustov 12 January 2016 16: 53
    +1
    Quote: kod3001
    Quote: Belousov
    Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.

    What is the problem if there is real evidence and not just words to you to drop the address of the FSB of Moscow or take the trouble to find and inform them on the Internet, and if you are engaged in chatter then you need a grandmother on a bench!

    And then the FSB is doing what it itself does if under its nose Vasilyev and Khoroshavin lived "like cats in oil", I’m already silent about Ukraine, "binge" the fascist regime hostile to Russia under its nose. And how many volunteers' lives cost this negligence and funds spent on humanitarian aid, how many convoys were sent to the DPR, LPR with the money of Russian taxpayers. So you and your FSB would keep silent ah !?
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 12 January 2016 20: 49
      -1
      Quote: Shustov
      Quote: kod3001
      Quote: Belousov
      Our UFSKN is the main drug trafficking leader. At least in the Samara region.

      What is the problem if there is real evidence and not just words to you to drop the address of the FSB of Moscow or take the trouble to find and inform them on the Internet, and if you are engaged in chatter then you need a grandmother on a bench!

      And then the FSB is doing what it itself does if under its nose Vasilyev and Khoroshavin lived "like cats in oil", I’m already silent about Ukraine, "binge" the fascist regime hostile to Russia under its nose. And how many volunteers' lives cost this negligence and funds spent on humanitarian aid, how many convoys were sent to the DPR, LPR with the money of Russian taxpayers. So you and your FSB would keep silent ah !?
      I'm sure of what Russia is not the country where a fly without a ticket can slip through, this has remained since the days of the KGB of the USSR and I'm more than sure who needs to know, but we didn't need it because we didn't know, and even the FSB didn't that organization where all plans and developments will tell everyone what and how and why!
      1. Shustov
        Shustov 13 January 2016 16: 01
        0
        Hello! "Fly without a ticket" !! ?? This is about the blown up "Domodedovo", about the houses on the Kashirskoye highway, or about young people, not only texting with ISIS agents, but already having left and a lot of others who are gathering !!! ?? It means that it is necessary to sell drugs in Russia, when ordinary people (look at You Tube) are pouring green paint on drug dealers themselves going out into the streets to fight this evil spirits! ?? With whom we take an example from the West and this is normal !! ???
  32. TWO
    TWO 12 January 2016 16: 59
    -1
    There was no need to remove the arrow ...
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 12 January 2016 17: 41
    -3
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: pft, fkb
    can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?

    I know that at the dawn of Soviet power, the former Urk Kotovsky became a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR.

    However, what deep knowledge in history .... belay
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 January 2016 21: 19
      +3
      Quote: Radikal
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: pft, fkb
      can you tell what bandits and terrorists became the first leaders and commanders of Israel?

      I know that at the dawn of Soviet power, the former Urk Kotovsky became a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR.

      However, what deep knowledge in history .... belay

      Grigory Ivanovich Kotovsky (June 12 (24), 1881 - August 6, 1925) - Soviet military and political leader, participant in the Civil War.
      Made a career from criminal to a member of the Union, Ukrainian and Moldavian Central Executive Committee. Member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR.
  34. flSergius
    flSergius 12 January 2016 19: 24
    0
    Regarding the silence of the top of the DPR, it is clear - he will scandal with the rotten officers - to make a huge gift to ukroSmi and the trolls. Zakharchenko, as a realist politician, hopes to solve the problem without publicizing it on all the Internet.