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The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet

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Within the framework of the current program for the modernization of the Russian armed forces, a huge number of various projects are being implemented, during which new facilities are built, equipment and weapons are supplied, etc. A special place in the rearmament program is occupied by the navy, which is already receiving new ships, boats, submarines, auxiliary vessels, etc. Update fleet will continue in the foreseeable future, which will lead to a noticeable increase in its combat effectiveness. In addition, all these processes lead to an increase in anxiety of foreign specialists.


In late December, the American press reported on the report of the Naval Intelligence Agency of the US Navy, which discusses the features of the update of the Russian fleet and the consequences of such processes from the point of view of international relations. As it turned out, all this becomes a cause for concern. This is how the observed situation is interpreted in an article in The Daily Beast entitled “US Fears Growing a Newly Awakened Russian Navy” (“The US is increasingly afraid of the newly awakened Russian fleet”) by David Aks, published on 28 last December.

In the subtitle of the article, the author writes that the new report of the intelligence service of the US Navy paints a sobering picture of the growing aggressiveness of the Russian fleet, which turns out to be a deadly demonstration of force.


Report cover


D. Ex reminds that the intelligence of the American fleet for the first time in 24 of the year published a report on the current state of the Russian Navy. This document testifies to the rapid rearmament of the Russian fleet and the associated increase in aggressiveness.

According to a published report, the modernization program of the Russian fleet has been going on for several years, and recent events clearly demonstrate its success. Moreover, every day there is less doubt that with the help of serious support from Russian President Vladimir Putin, the fleet is doing everything possible to compete with the world's largest and most powerful maritime power - the United States.

The author of The Daily Beast quotes the report: “Russia has already begun work, and over the next decade will make great progress in building a 21st century fleet capable of providing national defense, as well as having an impressive, but limited, presence in remote areas and staffed by a new generation Post-Soviet sailors and officers. "

The report itself, entitled “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition,” takes up 68 pages and is accompanied by a host of illustrations. The document was published in mid-December last year and is available for review to everyone. The author of the report is George Fedoroff, an employee of the Maryland department of the Office of Naval Intelligence and a leading specialist in the Russian Navy. D. Ex reminds that J. Fedoroff began his career as a linguist for the naval forces, but later went to work in reconnaissance. Also, the author of The Daily Beast notes that, unlike other intelligence specialists, J. Fedoroff, apparently, never stopped studying the Russian fleet.

For two and a half decades, the Department of Naval Intelligence did not publish reports on the state of the Russian Navy. Understanding Soviet Naval Developments reports were published before 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed. Due to the collapse of the state, independent Russia received a large number of ships, ships, submarines and naval bases, but due to lack of funding, they all stood idle.

Only during the reign of President Vladimir Putin began the restoration of the Navy. One of the results of this was the events of the beginning of 2014 of the year, when the fleet supported the "lightning invasion of the strategic Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea". According to D. Ax, this step could be evidence of the future return of Russia as a major military force. At about the same time, the Pentagon decided that now it was worth renewing the old “tradition” and re-starting to compile and publish reports on the state of the Russian fleet.

According to D. Aks, at that time only one expert could cope with the compilation of a new report: experienced analyst Norman Polmar, who participated in writing Understanding Soviet Naval Developments, as early as the mid-seventies. It was he who recommended the Directorate of Naval Intelligence to commission the compilation of a new report to J. Fedoroff. Subsequently, N. Polmar highly appreciated the work of his “protege”.

The task of the report was to study the available data on the status and rearmament of the Russian Navy in terms of the quantity and quality of equipment, weapons, etc. It was also necessary to evaluate the training of personnel and take into account the role of the fleet in the military and political system. The result of this work was the conclusion of a “rebound”: Russia is indeed reviving its fleet and has achieved some success.

The final report stated that since 2000, after stabilization of the economy, the Russian leadership began to take measures, primarily of a financial nature, aimed at “revitalizing” the army and navy. All this made it possible to continue the implementation of programs, the implementation of which was delayed, as well as start some new projects. As a result, the full-fledged construction of the 21st century fleet began with modern surface and underwater platforms.

The beginning of the last decade was nadir in stories Russian fleet. Only a small number of ships could go to sea and solve tasks. Today, the fleet includes 186 ships and submarines, which are responsible for the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, as well as the Black, Baltic, Caspian and Mediterranean seas. In addition, there is the possibility of combat work in the Arctic.

According to the calculations of the author of the report, at present the Russian Navy is the third in the world in terms of combat strength. With 186 ships and submarines, the Russian fleet is second only to the US (280 warships and about a hundred auxiliary vessels) and to the Chinese.

D. Eks points out that in some key areas the Russian fleet in recent years has managed not only to restore its former potential, but also to catch up with world leaders. Last October, ships of the Caspian Flotilla conducted a mass launch of Caliber cruise missiles, which flew about a thousand miles and hit targets in Syria. In December, the submarine "Rostov-on-Don" performed a similar task, hitting Syrian targets from the Mediterranean.

The author of The Daily Beast reminds that before these operations, only the US Navy had demonstrated the possibility of attacking ground targets using modern long-range cruise missiles launched from ships or submarines. Sea-based cruise missiles, notes D. Ex, are one of the key means of delivering accurate strikes at enemy targets with reduced risks for their armed forces.


Summary table on the number of the combat strength of the Russian Navy


It is noteworthy that the newest Caliber cruise missiles are mentioned in the new report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition” several times. Among other things, J. Fedoroff writes that such weapons can give an impressive impact potential even to “modest platforms,” such as corvettes. In addition, it provides the ability to attack stationary objects of the enemy using conventional combat units. According to the author of the report, with the mass use of Caliber family missiles, the Russian Navy gets new abilities to deter or threaten and destroy enemy targets.

At the end of his article, the author of the publication The Daily Beast raises a curious topic, indirectly related to reports of American intelligence on the state of the Russian fleet. For example, an independent analyst in the field of the navy, Eric Wertheim, quoted by D. Eks, recalls that the authors of the 1991 report “Understanding Soviet Naval Developments” expected the future appearance of new “intellectual” ammunition, such as the current rocket, for XNUMX. Caliber". As a result, according to E. Wertheim, the situation looks as if time has stopped for two decades that have passed between two reports, and now the Russian Navy has gone out of sleep. The latest report allows you to sum up the first results of the work of the "awakened" Russian fleet.

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As mentioned above, the report of the Directorate of Naval Intelligence “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition” occupies 68 pages. It contains several sections on the history of the Russian Navy, the current state, structure, strategies, modernization and other issues. For obvious reasons, D. Ex did not consider in his article all the topics of the report and limited himself to the most basic ones. However, this does not make the entire report less interesting to the general public.

Unable to examine the entire report in detail, the author of The Daily Beast focused on two of the most interesting features of the modernization of the Russian Navy, namely, the general progress of fleet renewal and the development of the latest guided missiles with uniquely high characteristics.

According to the author of the report and D. Aks, over a decade and a half, the number of combat-ready ships and submarines of the Russian fleet has increased several times: to 186 units, which allows solving problems in various water areas near the borders of the country. In addition, there is some potential for work in remote areas of the oceans. Such a pace of development is indeed one of the most interesting features of the current modernization program.

The second theme, on which D. Eks drew attention, was the rocket of the Caliber family. In the fall and winter, the Russian Navy demonstrated its potential several times. weaponsSome of the features of such “shows” were a real surprise for both domestic and foreign specialists. For example, before the autumn launches there was no exact information about the flight range of the newest missiles. After the attacks of targets in Syria, no one left any doubt that ships and submarines with “Gauges” on board are a promising and promising means of non-nuclear deterrence and are able to influence the situation in relatively large regions.

According to the report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition”, it is now in third place in the world in terms of the combat strength of the Russian Navy, second only to the US and Chinese Navy. Also, it should be noted that the positive assessments of the report and the publication of The Daily Beast look very nice, as they come from the main competitor and the world leader. In addition, this situation leads to the appearance of loud headlines, talking about the concern of this competitor and leader. Indeed, the “recent awakening” of the Russian fleet must be disturbed by many third countries.


The article “US Fears Growth of a Newly Awakened Russian Navy”:
http://thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/28/u-s-fears-grow-of-a-newly-awakened-russian-navy.html

Report "The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition":
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/18/document-office-of-naval-intelligence-report-on-russian-navy
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  1. Bennert
    Bennert 12 January 2016 06: 45 New
    +5
    The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet

    honestly tired
    что же там такого "пробудилось", что могло заставить опасаться США

    Беспилотник X-47B на борту авианосца "Трумен"


    Патрульный беспилотник "Тритон" - 30 часов над океаном


    АПЛ "Уорнер" - 12-я подлодка типа "Вирджиния", принята на вооружение в 2015 г.


    Ракетно-артиллерийский "Замволт", не нуждается в представлении

    сейчас не надо бряцать ядерной дубиной, а лучше постараться ответить -Что изменилось с российским флотом за прошедшие несколько лет, что США вдруг заговорили о его "пробуждении". Построили какие-то новые корабли океанской зоны? А если нет - то вообще о чем идет речь
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 12 January 2016 07: 15 New
      +8
      The US fleet, by the number and variety of ships, has overtaken Russia by 30 years, it’s in the fleet that we are not far behind the United States. Apparently the US military corporations want more orders, hence these articles. Or to convince Russia of the strength of its fleet, what would happen next especially not fluttering.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 12 January 2016 07: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: BENNERT
      honestly tired
      что же там такого "пробудилось", что могло заставить опасаться США

      Well, you ask your friends, not ours. It’s yours that money is being knocked out of the congress by such reports for your bread.
      Quote: BENNERT
      Что изменилось с российским флотом за прошедшие несколько лет, что США вдруг заговорили о его "пробуждении".
      Изменилось пока только одно - падение вниз остановилось. Видимо это и стоит подразумевать под "пробуждением" в американских головах. Я так понимаю у них все понятия сдвинуты на одну ступеньку. Когда флот РФ стагнирует - это у них "флот РФ пробуждается", когда флот РФ падает - это у них "флот РФ стагнирует". Очевидно когда наш флот и вправду будет пробуждаться в их понимании мы уже обгоним их по всем параметрам.
      1. Bennert
        Bennert 12 January 2016 08: 13 New
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        Quote: Alex_59
        So far only one thing has changed - the fall down has stopped.

        Alexey, here from this place in more detail

        что такое "падение вниз", когда оно началось и в какой момент остановилось. И с какими конкретно событиями связаны эти временные вехи
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 12 January 2016 08: 50 New
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          Quote: BENNERT
          что такое "падение вниз", когда оно началось и в какой момент остановилось.

          In my understanding (I do not pretend to be true).
          The fall began in the 91 year, when the construction of new ships in the interests of the Navy ended abruptly. At the same time, the decommissioning of units that had not yet worked out the resource began, for the maintenance and repair of which there was no money. As a result, the number of the Navy was rapidly declining, the regular presence of our Navy in the world’s oceans ceased, the practice of military services disappeared. The process gained momentum and did not stop at 2000. However, at the end of the 2000's, the first advances began to begin to do at least something to replenish the Navy with new units. As a result, today our Navy began, albeit in extremely small volumes, but to receive new ships. These are the projects 20380, 636, 21631, 955, 885. In 90 and 2000 there wasn’t that either. In addition, there are many other signs of recovery - the resumption of regular trips and preparations, the beginning of more or less regular repairs of surviving ships, etc. I can’t call it growth (I’m afraid to frighten it), but I can’t even consider it a fall.
          1. Bennert
            Bennert 12 January 2016 09: 26 New
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            Quote: Alex_59
            In the 90s and 2000s this was not there.

            It was

            K-150 "Tomsk": laying - August 1991, launching - July 1996. On March 17, 1997, the K-150 became part of the 1st Northern Fleet submarine flotilla. In 1998, the latest submarine nuclear submarine made the transition to the Far East under the ice of the Arctic Ocean. Currently part of the Pacific Fleet.


            K-295 Samara. Bookmark 1993 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
            K-157 Vepr. Bookmark 1990 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
            K-335 "Cheetah", years of construction 1991-2001, accepted into the fleet. The pace of construction, as now, is even somewhat faster

            "Ясень"-"Северодвинск" строили с 1993 года по н.в., головной "Борей" заложили в 1996 году

            "Петр Великий" ввели в строй в 1998 г., БПК "Чабаненко" в 1999.

            Строили, еще как строили. И строили отнюдь не жалкие корветы, и побыстрее, чем сейчас, когда "прекратилось падение"
            Quote: Alex_59
            As a result, the number of the Navy was rapidly declining, our navy’s regular presence in the world’s oceans has ceased, the practice of military services has disappeared.

            Why are you composing what was not

            Лодки из "звериной дивизии" встречали 1998 год в Саргассовом море, и это я знаю точно, т.к. там служили близкие люди. Названия и подробности можешь загуглить.

            И неужели не слышал про большой поход кораблей СФ в Атлантику и средиземку, в 1996 году. Большинство кадров полетов с "Кузнецова" - именно тех времен

            The regular presence was greatly reduced with the collapse of the Union. And continues to remain approximately at the same level. Просто в те времена (90е- начало 2000х) о каждом походе не трубили по телевизору, оттого впечатление будто ничего не было, а сейчас стало появляться. По факту - без изменений, но больше пиара. И все это "вставание с колен" - мираж. Стоим на том же уровне, факты я привел выше. Если у вас есть доказательства обратного - пробуйте опровергнуть.

            Спадом это назвать нельзя - эту планку мы держим на протяжении последних 20 лет. На одном уровне и с неизменным результатом. ВМФ РФ - никакого "упадка" никогда не было, это все тоже выдумки ТВ-пиара, самый обычный флот, в пятерке сильнейших флотов мира, что в 90-е, что в 00-е, что сейчас. Вы ожидаете от него большего? Тогда просьба обратить внимание на экономику РФ, и искать ответы там
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 12 January 2016 09: 57 New
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              Quote: BENNERT
              K-150 "Tomsk"
              I agree.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-295 "Samara".
              I agree.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-157 Boar.
              I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-335 "Cheetah"
              Well, let him agree too.
              Quote: BENNERT
              "Ясень"-"Северодвинск" строили с 1993 года по н.в., головной "Борей" заложили в 1996 году
              Заложили по инерции советских времен. И заморозили постройку. У меня родственники на СМП, не врите про "строили", их не строили, они тупо стояли.
              Quote: BENNERT
              "Петр Великий" ввели в строй в 1998 г., БПК "Чабаненко" в 1999.
              I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.

              Total of the ones you listed - 3 nuclear submarines, all Soviet-made
              For 2010-2015 - 4 crv (4 are under construction), 1 SSBN (3 are under construction), 3 SSB (3 are under construction), 4 DEPL (2 are under construction), 5 MPK (5 are under construction), 1 ФР). I’m not talking about tankers, rescuers, OIPs, tugboats, diving bots, boats and more. Only bad with minesweepers.

              Quote: BENNERT
              Лодки из "звериной дивизии" встречали 1998 год в Саргассовом море, и это я знаю точно, т.к. там служили близкие люди.
              Точное определение - "встречали".
              Quote: BENNERT
              And didn’t I hear about the large expedition of the SF ships to the Atlantic and Middle-earth, in the 1996 year.
              I heard.

              Quote: BENNERT
              It’s just that in those days (90- beginning of 2000x) they didn’t trumpet every trip about TV,

              Apparently, you are not even closely aware of the enormous volume of activity of our Navy in the oceans, which no one ever mentions in any media today. The 90 and 2000 were not mentioned because there was nothing, but the Kuzi trip you brought up was trumpeted as the greatest achievement. Kuzya, of course, is such a fool that she can be seen right away, one cannot help writing about her, only the Navy is not only Kuzya (and generally just NOT Kuzya). But what is the constant stay at sea today for the invisible BDK, SKR, KIL, OIS, TR, BMTN that is not visible in the media? It's boring. What is there to write and shoot? How does KIL-158 creep along Greek ports? Who needs this? But this KIL all 90 e rusted in the South Bay, and now it does not get out of the SM.
              For activity in the sea, I heartily recommend you a resource: http://flot.com/project/map/
              1. Gomel
                Gomel 12 January 2016 11: 35 New
                +2
                Well done.
                I don’t know why BENNERT has the US flag and the informal emblem of the last space shuttle, but I have the impression that he was not in Russia in the 90's and the beginning of the 00's and read only the press and even not the Russian one.
              2. Bennert
                Bennert 12 January 2016 23: 53 New
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                Quote: Alex_59
                I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.

                Irrelevant

                Положить на стапель закладную секцию корабля - работа на один день. Достроить и насытить корабль вооружением и системами - годы труда. Факт закладки "Вепря" и "Петра" не о чем не говорит. They were honestly completed and handed over to the sailors. And all this happened in the 90s, about which you wrote:
                Quote: Alex_59
                As a result, today our Navy began, albeit in extremely small volumes, but to receive new ships. These are projects 20380, 636, 21631, 955, 885. In the 90s and 2000s this was not there.

                Which is not true. In the 90 and 200 e, the fleet, as it was already being laid, also slowly built and transferred ships. However, they were larger than the current RTOs and frigates.
                Quote: Alex_59
                And froze the building

                The same can be said of all modern shipbuilding programs.
                Corvette for 10 years, frigate for the same amount, the boat Severodvinsk was completed 7 years at EBN and then another 14 years at GDP
                Quote: Alex_59
                but the Kuzi trip you brought up was trumpeted as the greatest achievement

                In fact, no one knows about him. Including you, just wrote:
                Quote: Alex_59
                our navy’s regular presence in the world’s oceans has ceased, the practice of military services has disappeared

                видео: стрельба Гранитом с подлодки К-119 "Воронеж", стратегические КШУ "Запад-99"
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 13 January 2016 10: 23 New
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                  Quote: BENNERT
                  Which is not true. In the 90 and 200 e, the fleet, as it was already being laid, also slowly built and transferred ships. However, they were larger than the current RTOs and frigates.

                  Классно! Вам так импонирует сдача "Петра" и "Чабаненко", ну что ж...
                  1998 year. A simple question - how many and which ships were laid and handed over?
                  Ответ: Заложено - ноль (НОЛЬ!!!). Сдано - один ("Петр")
                  1999 год. Заложено - ноль. Сдано - один ("Чабаненко")
                  2000 year. Mortgaged - zero. Two completed (MRK 1239, RCA 12411)
                  2001 year. Mortgaged - zero. Passed - two (MTSC 266, nuclear submarine 971)
                  2002 year. Mortgaged - zero. Passed - zero.
                  2003 year. Mortgaged - zero. Completed - two (TFR 11660, RCA 12411)

                  Total for 5 years - ZERO ships are laid !!! I'm bastard with your grass! This is called a fleet laying ships. Yes, and bigger than the current RTOs. This is what an overdose should be in order to seriously carry such nonsense.
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    3. inkass_98
      inkass_98 12 January 2016 08: 38 New
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      Quote: BENNERT
      no need to rattle a nuclear club now

      А больше, пардон, нечем. В наших условиях это является наиболее надежным аргументом. Не будем забывать, что США "островное" государство, имеющее сухопутные границы только со своими сателлитами - Канадой и Мексикой. Все остальные усилия они прилагают во внешних операциях, осуществляемых с помощью ВМФ.
      Russia is a continental country, the main military ports of which are located either in adverse climatic conditions or in fairly easily blocked water bodies.
      Hence the quite obvious approach to the formation of a military strategy - the fleet is collapsed, it must be built anew, but it is very expensive, priority is given to what is easier and faster to build up as a strike force.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 January 2016 10: 21 New
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        Quote: inkass_98
        Hence the quite obvious approach to the formation of a military strategy - the fleet is collapsed, it must be built anew, but it is very expensive, priority is given to what is easier and faster to build up as a strike force.

        В свете некоторых "успехов" во флоте,интересно выглядит инфа о Статусе-6.И утверждать уверенно ,что такой ПБА не разрабатывается у нас преждевременно.Но с другой стороны,если такая информация была вброшена,и явно для супостата,то видимо есть разработки,которые наше МО этим вбросом хотели бы утаить.
      2. Operator
        Operator 12 January 2016 11: 54 New
        0
        Интересно, какой доклад РУМО поступит в Конгресс США после принятия на вооружение МБР "Сармат" и что произойдет тогда с шаблоном у Bennert'a? laughing
    4. 222222
      222222 12 January 2016 10: 15 New
      +1
      BENNERT US Today, 06:45
      The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet
      honestly tired
      что же там такого "пробудилось", что могло заставить опасаться США"
      ..да бросьте Вы-ненасытеность Вашего ВПК .и его огромное горло.."черная дыра"-все поглощающая .. laughing
      ..and the reason is not at all in Russia or China. laughing
    5. Dam
      Dam 12 January 2016 10: 20 New
      +1
      A new topic for cutting dough from a mattress striped. There is an enemy, you need to increase the budget
    6. oblako
      oblako 12 January 2016 12: 25 New
      +1
      Д
      And if not, then what is it all about?
      О возросшей агрессивности России!!! И это вызывает обеспокоенность у госдепа! Ясно же как белый день!))) Кто первый кричит :"Держи вора!!!"?? Ну правильно...
    7. g1v2
      g1v2 12 January 2016 16: 04 New
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      Yes, they did. “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov” - a ship of the ocean zone. New atomic submarines too. request The American fleet is certainly many times stronger, but after the construction of everything laid down, we will be able to protect our shores from it. Well, no one sets a goal to build a comparable to the American ocean fleet. We cannot win the budget race, and there is no need for such a fleet. Our choice is an asynchronous answer. For example, to put cruise missiles on a diesel and missile launcher, which are located on larger ships near the United States. DEPL ADMIRALTEYYYYYYYY SHIPYARDS ARE ALREADY BUILT FOR THE ONE AND A half YEAR, MRK Zelenodoltsy - FOR 2. Those same Warsaw and MRK we can build en masse in case of what. hi Can a dapel or mrk sink a larger ship? Quite. Well, frigates 22350 will be the basis of the ocean fleet, the leaders will not be part of the fleet for a long time. request It’s foolish to engage in cap-making, but there’s nothing to cry about - the work is underway and the fleet is growing.
    8. datur
      datur 12 January 2016 22: 35 New
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      Yes, it’s simple - at the output, almost all of your superprojects turn out to be just a prodigy !! wink
    9. datur
      datur 12 January 2016 22: 44 New
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      CALIBERS wink e invigorate ??? NOT? Well, okay!!!! drinks
    10. complete zero
      complete zero 13 January 2016 00: 05 New
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      ну опасаться быть может и не стоит (для США) ежу понятно что силы несопоставимы ("но уважать себя заставим")..такой вот кораблик с таким комплексом как "Калибр" где ни будь на просторах реки (волге) да хоть в озере ..и дальность пуска ракет 1500-2000 км...мало не покажется -гарантированный перехват попросту НЕВОЗМОЖЕН (место пуска не отследишь)..так что серьезная штуковина
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  3. Dionis2019
    Dionis2019 12 January 2016 06: 50 New
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    Although such reports are mainly the reason for increasing the military budget, it’s still nice, as a Russian, to see the indignation and fears in the camp of a likely adversary in connection with the growing power of our country's navy
  4. Nehist
    Nehist 12 January 2016 06: 52 New
    +1
    Yeah ... Delusional article. Something is not particularly noticeable change. All touched the USSR. About the ocean zone in general, you can simply shut up our presence too little. The long-term construction projects put into operation are already morally and technically outdated. If for the near zone they are still suitable, then for the fulfillment of some global issues, alas, ah
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 12 January 2016 11: 14 New
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      And we need it now, I'm talking about global issues. And the fact that we have in the form of nuclear submarines in service is quite enough.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 12 January 2016 11: 56 New
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        Dear fleet, this is actually a collection of different ships capable of solving different tasks. And with the number of nuclear-powered submarines that we really have on the go and not worth counting, we do not block the far zone even on approaches to our territorial waters.
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  6. 505506
    505506 12 January 2016 07: 44 New
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    Служил во Владивостоке в 1990, и вот только оттуда. "Пробуждение" слишком уж по технологии стелс. Не увидел. Все далеко не новое,а флагман, он такой флагман...
  7. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 12 January 2016 08: 13 New
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    In the subtitle of the article, the author writes that the new report of the intelligence service of the US Navy paints a sobering picture of the growing aggressiveness of the Russian fleet, which turns out to be a deadly demonstration of force.

    It turns out to them, (USA), 12 aircraft carriers are few and at the same time they do not show aggression.
    А нам свои берега нечем прикрыть - и мы при этом агрессоры! Железная логика извращенца. А вся эта вонь в мировом эфире началась после появления у нас крылатых ракет морского базирования средней дальности - "Калибров".И договор
    we don’t violate, and any pelvis, which you won’t think of for a while, can burn off half of the Pacific coast from the shores of Kamchatka. You’ll think about it,
    Yes, and some allies felt chilly, became side-by-side to the side,
    like crabs.
    The cries about Russian aggression from the West always started after we achieved only parity. So, we only need to spit it deliciously, and let them wipe themselves.
  8. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 12 January 2016 09: 16 New
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    Quote: BENNERT
    Quote: Alex_59
    So far only one thing has changed - the fall down has stopped.

    Alexey, here from this place in more detail

    что такое "падение вниз", когда оно началось и в какой момент остановилось. И с какими конкретно событиями связаны эти временные вехи

    No fall has been stopped, one can only cautiously say that the trim command went aft, but unfortunately the dive continues.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 12 January 2016 10: 28 New
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      Quote: kapitan281271
      No fall has been stopped, one can only cautiously say that the trim command went aft, but unfortunately the dive continues.

      Мне кажется тут очень многое зависит от личного восприятия и от того кто как понимает для себя понятия "рост", "падение" и "стагнация".
      The tonnage and number of ships under construction can become an objective indicator, but this requires serious analytics.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 12 January 2016 16: 13 New
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        As it seems to me, for the Amers, it’s somehow imperceptible, like, Surprise !, a qualitative growth of the capabilities of our fleet has drawn. In the material, it is indicated that the opportunity appeared to use convection (!) Weapons to disable important stationary objects. Those. vulnerability of the infrastructure of the state Navy, for example, important radars or position areas. And this must be taken into account in planning. Well, this is just one of the points that are reported openly. In fact, qualitatively new impact and other means are expected that will dominate the vast expanses of oceans and coasts. And with this they need to do something ...
  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 January 2016 10: 43 New
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    Умиляют все эти американские выводы. Флот и "связанный с ним рост агрессивноси"! То есть мощный флот сам по себе вызывает рост агрессивности. Никто не имеет права получить саму возможность противостоять США где либо! Если есть такая возможность, ее применение рассматривается американцами как дело решенное!
    Слезы из глаз, особенно как вспомнишь выводы зарубежных и части наших "экспертов" о том, что цели США на мировой арене якобы "идеалистические". Такие идеалистические, что милейшие идеалисты не сомневаются - их атакует любой, вообще любой, кто только получит такую возможность! Вот какие американцы добрые, справедливые и правильные! Такие хорошие, что весь мир мечтает их прикончить! И они хорошо про себя знают, кто они такие и как их тут, на этой небольшой планете, любят, ценят, уважают.
    Since they know everything about themselves (I’m afraid we don’t even imagine much, but they are aware of it) they will do everything, absolutely everything so that no one equals them. Because, according to their own American conclusions, they must be wiped off the face of the Earth, and as soon as possible. So it is likely that you will have to do this as pure self-defense ...
  10. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 12 January 2016 10: 51 New
    +3
    According to the report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition”, currently in strength Russian Navy ranked third in the world, second only to the US and Chinese Navy
    Тут автор насчёт "боевого состава" конечно погорячился. No. What is the point to wishful thinking. negative It seems to me that in the fighting force there are ships capable of really going out to sea and performing a combat mission, but we can say about payroll. There are a lot of examples when ships of 10-15 have been repaired for years or are waiting for their turn to be repaired, during which time they come to the condition of scrap metal.
  11. Gomel
    Gomel 12 January 2016 11: 09 New
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    1. The cover of the report is complete bad taste ....
  12. Pleyshner
    Pleyshner 12 January 2016 13: 17 New
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    If anyone is interested, here is a link to the report itself http://news.usni.org/2015/12/18/document-office-of-naval-intelligence-report-on-
    russian-navy. The report looks very overview and even with historical insets. It feels like it was made up more so that the NATO generals remembered what kind of fleet Russia has and what approximately it can. There are no special revelations in it, as well as disturbing notes. Therefore, it is not clear why this report drew the interest of David Ax from The Daily Beast, and even less such a panic title.
  13. Gorodovik
    Gorodovik 12 January 2016 14: 12 New
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    In fact, I think the situation is getting a little better. But the only thing that worries is that she straightens at the expense of small ships. I do not take into account nuclear submarines because their construction was not abandoned. We are now effectively building only corvettes. But starting with frigates, there are serious tugs. And I think the destroyer will build no less than 2025 years. And the aircraft carrier is generally from the category of fiction. But on it I would like to dwell in more detail.
    From the media, I understand that now plans for an aircraft carrier of at least 90000 tons of displacement. But we will build it endlessly. In my opinion, it is simpler and more important to design an aircraft carrier of the Wikramodyty dimension. For it is simpler and cheaper.
  14. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 16: 26 New
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    Hmm ...

    We still can’t build corvettes normally — the first 10 has been slapping for the first time on the NPS. There are almost no gas turbines for the BNCs, there aren’t gas turbines, there aren’t any boilers (although this isn’t necessary), there is a diesel engine, but there are quality GUs, and 20380 operation a good example, I had to buy a diesel engine from the Germans, how it all ended everyone knows we can’t do turbo-electric power plants — the 23120 power plant is imported on the same project, and the 3 ship of the series did not receive it.

    The construction of the 4 generation NPL is de facto failed.

    The new BNK has a rather inadequate construction time. And much more ....

    Awakened as awakened.
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    2. g1v2
      g1v2 12 January 2016 17: 14 New
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      Well, the problem was that Assz was also in the fact that they spent the money allocated for the construction to pay off loans and, accordingly, they were in short supply all the time. For the industry to come to order, only one thing is needed - orders, and they went. When the company builds a couple of ships of one project and debugs them, it will build the next much faster. Including the time frame for the construction of gatekeepers 20380 to 4 years are going to be reduced. There Zelenodoltsy did the first MRK for 4 years, and the last in less than 2 passed. So the more we build, the less time. request
      Well, do not forget about import substitution - for 8 - 10 years, it is necessary to replace 826 Ukrainian samples and 127 western components. The initial plans of the GOZ did not provide for import substitution. If everything went as planned, there would be no problems with frigates and corvettes. That's just what to grind for what it would be. request In Samara, Ukrainian turbines began to be repaired - there was an article on Sun. A lot of guys with fresh passports appeared, the process is on. Gomes for frigates promise to start producing in 2017. lol MAY BE COMPLETELY LATE AND LATE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT WHAT WILL THIS CHANGE ON THE BACKGROUND OF SHIPS? Diesels also have someone to produce - a star for example. So nothing that Rybinsk could solve, I don’t see Kolomna and St. Petersburg residents. request
      But I agree with the 4th generation NAPL. Apparently, the Lada turned out raw and our people do not want to build them further. It was not in vain that they started talking about Warsaw women for Pacific Fleet, but they were going to build frets there. Moreover, everyone said that all problems were solved and even a couple of serial ones were laid, but it is clear that I can’t build them through. I see no other reason than the crude project. request And a similar situation is with Mig35, which is also only promoted by developers, but Mo is silent.
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 17: 55 New
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        The point is not only in the state of the NEA, but also in the fact that 20380 is not suitable for mass construction in our conditions, alas. Yes, and in general with this project, everything from the beginning frankly went through * opa, and everything goes through it and now, alas.

        А я и не говорил что мы не можем сами производить ГЭУ-можем,да только у нас как обычно в пословице одной-"пока не пнешь не полетит".Обязательно надо было ждать того момента,как поставки ГЭУ перекроют и без того аховые сроки постройки кораблей вообще пойдут по известной части женского тела,как и вся программа надводного кораблестроения в целом.

        And about the diesel engines, I told them they were made, but Mr. Mr. still, read sho knowledgeable people write about it, especially those who served / worked as a transmitter / built them. Therefore, they wanted to put the normal ones by buying from the Germans, alas. ..
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 12 January 2016 18: 22 New
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          Well, they built 4 pieces of 20380, which means they can be made in series. request Th 8 more to get the planned 6 pieces for the defense of Kaliningrad and the Kuril I think will do. But since 20385 there is already a problem - a couple of mortgages will be completed, and what's next - xs. 20385 THE WORKS UNDER GERMAN DIESELS WERE DESIGNED FROM THE ORIGIN. request As for 20386, it is also unclear - obviously the whole project will be changed and it is quite possible to abandon it altogether. Or maybe they will build 20380 for the north - xs. As for the terms, as I already wrote everything is simple - it is necessary to build and they will decrease with each new ship. About the fact that Assz spent the money allocated on ships to repay loans - this is from the report of the Moscow Region to Putin in the summer. There, they also reported about breakdowns in terms of time for various weapons, including what I’m talking about in the transcript of the report. hi
          I heard about the diesel engine that Chirkov was saying, well, if the task is to fix the situation, then it will be completed. More expensive, late, but will be completed. Moreover, the diesel that the Star pushes through, sort of like a joint with the Austrians. That is, the project is joint, and our production will be. The lack of import dependence in his production of the Star guaranteed.
          And finally, personally, as an engineer and in one of the military specialties, the diesel mechanic, although the internal troops, have honestly forgotten a lot,repeat but still I don’t see an unsolvable problem in the production of an analogue of a diesel engine with already known parameters and which can be stupidly copied like the Chinese. request These are far from atomic technologies - the issue is in resources and organization. hi
          1. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 20: 23 New
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            20385 collapsed, meet, finish off poorly poorly 2 mortgaged and all .....

            Yes, as many as 4 MOTHER OF THEIR CORVETTE FROM 2001 to 2014 th !!!!!!!! AND ALREADY THE WHOLE 5 THAT HAS BEEN LOST ON WATER, after 9 years in the workshop !!!!!!!! TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING WHAT SHOULDER CORVETTE WITH VI 2000 TONS! Soon, if the ships are to be opened, the next generation will have to be done, but we cannot master all this normally.

            20386 and so on are generally distant tales at the moment.

            The problem is not in the characteristics, but first and foremost in their quality and reliability, but both of them there does not shine alas.
  15. Thompson
    Thompson 12 January 2016 23: 02 New
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    One fact of the appearance and use of calibers turned out to be sufficient to cause panic in the mattresses.
    First, they were convinced that now they are with pro in flight. If earlier they had hoped to intercept only MBR with nuclear stuffing, the number of which was deliberately limited, now it turned out to be necessary ... very long-range cruise missiles with a shaving flight !!! From here follows their flight in the field of a preventive massive strike by cruise missiles. Most of all, they were shocked that a small boat, essentially a dish, is now able to sink huge ships at great distances!
    it's like a cheap penny RPG against a million dollar tank!
    And they took into account only our large ships, which became oh so few. Do not forget about GLONASS! Everything is already tied to her. And then they flew with their monopoly from the jpi.
    In short, a well-founded panic in the enemy’s camp !!!
  16. Thompson
    Thompson 13 January 2016 16: 24 New
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    As someone also does not like that we are becoming stronger
  17. Sam1
    Sam1 13 September 2017 14: 20 New
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    Our pride!