The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet

Within the framework of the current program for the modernization of the Russian armed forces, a huge number of various projects are being implemented, during which new facilities are built, equipment and weapons are supplied, etc. A special place in the rearmament program is occupied by the navy, which is already receiving new ships, boats, submarines, auxiliary vessels, etc. Update fleet will continue in the foreseeable future, which will lead to a noticeable increase in its combat effectiveness. In addition, all these processes lead to an increase in anxiety of foreign specialists.


In late December, the American press reported on the report of the Naval Intelligence Agency of the US Navy, which discusses the features of the update of the Russian fleet and the consequences of such processes from the point of view of international relations. As it turned out, all this becomes a cause for concern. This is how the observed situation is interpreted in an article in The Daily Beast entitled “US Fears Growing a Newly Awakened Russian Navy” (“The US is increasingly afraid of the newly awakened Russian fleet”) by David Aks, published on 28 last December.

In the subtitle of the article, the author writes that the new report of the intelligence service of the US Navy paints a sobering picture of the growing aggressiveness of the Russian fleet, which turns out to be a deadly demonstration of force.


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D. Ex reminds that the intelligence of the American fleet for the first time in 24 of the year published a report on the current state of the Russian Navy. This document testifies to the rapid rearmament of the Russian fleet and the associated increase in aggressiveness.

According to a published report, the modernization program of the Russian fleet has been going on for several years, and recent events clearly demonstrate its success. Moreover, every day there is less doubt that with the help of serious support from Russian President Vladimir Putin, the fleet is doing everything possible to compete with the world's largest and most powerful maritime power - the United States.

The author of The Daily Beast quotes the report: “Russia has already begun work, and over the next decade will make great progress in building a 21st century fleet capable of providing national defense, as well as having an impressive, but limited, presence in remote areas and staffed by a new generation Post-Soviet sailors and officers. "

The report itself, entitled “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition,” takes up 68 pages and is accompanied by a host of illustrations. The document was published in mid-December last year and is available for review to everyone. The author of the report is George Fedoroff, an employee of the Maryland department of the Office of Naval Intelligence and a leading specialist in the Russian Navy. D. Ex reminds that J. Fedoroff began his career as a linguist for the naval forces, but later went to work in reconnaissance. Also, the author of The Daily Beast notes that, unlike other intelligence specialists, J. Fedoroff, apparently, never stopped studying the Russian fleet.

For two and a half decades, the Department of Naval Intelligence did not publish reports on the state of the Russian Navy. Understanding Soviet Naval Developments reports were published before 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed. Due to the collapse of the state, independent Russia received a large number of ships, ships, submarines and naval bases, but due to lack of funding, they all stood idle.

Only during the reign of President Vladimir Putin began the restoration of the Navy. One of the results of this was the events of the beginning of 2014 of the year, when the fleet supported the "lightning invasion of the strategic Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea". According to D. Ax, this step could be evidence of the future return of Russia as a major military force. At about the same time, the Pentagon decided that now it was worth renewing the old “tradition” and re-starting to compile and publish reports on the state of the Russian fleet.

According to D. Aks, at that time only one expert could cope with the compilation of a new report: experienced analyst Norman Polmar, who participated in writing Understanding Soviet Naval Developments, as early as the mid-seventies. It was he who recommended the Directorate of Naval Intelligence to commission the compilation of a new report to J. Fedoroff. Subsequently, N. Polmar highly appreciated the work of his “protege”.

The task of the report was to study the available data on the status and rearmament of the Russian Navy in terms of the quantity and quality of equipment, weapons, etc. It was also necessary to evaluate the training of personnel and take into account the role of the fleet in the military and political system. The result of this work was the conclusion of a “rebound”: Russia is indeed reviving its fleet and has achieved some success.

The final report stated that since 2000, after stabilization of the economy, the Russian leadership began to take measures, primarily of a financial nature, aimed at “revitalizing” the army and navy. All this made it possible to continue the implementation of programs, the implementation of which was delayed, as well as start some new projects. As a result, the full-fledged construction of the 21st century fleet began with modern surface and underwater platforms.

The beginning of the last decade was nadir in stories Russian fleet. Only a small number of ships could go to sea and solve tasks. Today, the fleet includes 186 ships and submarines, which are responsible for the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, as well as the Black, Baltic, Caspian and Mediterranean seas. In addition, there is the possibility of combat work in the Arctic.

According to the calculations of the author of the report, at present the Russian Navy is the third in the world in terms of combat strength. With 186 ships and submarines, the Russian fleet is second only to the US (280 warships and about a hundred auxiliary vessels) and to the Chinese.

D. Eks points out that in some key areas the Russian fleet in recent years has managed not only to restore its former potential, but also to catch up with world leaders. Last October, ships of the Caspian Flotilla conducted a mass launch of Caliber cruise missiles, which flew about a thousand miles and hit targets in Syria. In December, the submarine "Rostov-on-Don" performed a similar task, hitting Syrian targets from the Mediterranean.

The author of The Daily Beast reminds that before these operations, only the US Navy had demonstrated the possibility of attacking ground targets using modern long-range cruise missiles launched from ships or submarines. Sea-based cruise missiles, notes D. Ex, are one of the key means of delivering accurate strikes at enemy targets with reduced risks for their armed forces.


Summary table on the number of the combat strength of the Russian Navy


It is noteworthy that the newest Caliber cruise missiles are mentioned in the new report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition” several times. Among other things, J. Fedoroff writes that such weapons can give an impressive impact potential even to “modest platforms,” such as corvettes. In addition, it provides the ability to attack stationary objects of the enemy using conventional combat units. According to the author of the report, with the mass use of Caliber family missiles, the Russian Navy gets new abilities to deter or threaten and destroy enemy targets.

At the end of his article, the author of the publication The Daily Beast raises a curious topic, indirectly related to reports of American intelligence on the state of the Russian fleet. For example, an independent analyst in the field of the navy, Eric Wertheim, quoted by D. Eks, recalls that the authors of the 1991 report “Understanding Soviet Naval Developments” expected the future appearance of new “intellectual” ammunition, such as the current rocket, for XNUMX. Caliber". As a result, according to E. Wertheim, the situation looks as if time has stopped for two decades that have passed between two reports, and now the Russian Navy has gone out of sleep. The latest report allows you to sum up the first results of the work of the "awakened" Russian fleet.

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As mentioned above, the report of the Directorate of Naval Intelligence “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition” occupies 68 pages. It contains several sections on the history of the Russian Navy, the current state, structure, strategies, modernization and other issues. For obvious reasons, D. Ex did not consider in his article all the topics of the report and limited himself to the most basic ones. However, this does not make the entire report less interesting to the general public.

Unable to examine the entire report in detail, the author of The Daily Beast focused on two of the most interesting features of the modernization of the Russian Navy, namely, the general progress of fleet renewal and the development of the latest guided missiles with uniquely high characteristics.

According to the author of the report and D. Aks, over a decade and a half, the number of combat-ready ships and submarines of the Russian fleet has increased several times: to 186 units, which allows solving problems in various water areas near the borders of the country. In addition, there is some potential for work in remote areas of the oceans. Such a pace of development is indeed one of the most interesting features of the current modernization program.

The second theme, on which D. Eks drew attention, was the rocket of the Caliber family. In the fall and winter, the Russian Navy demonstrated its potential several times. weaponsSome of the features of such “shows” were a real surprise for both domestic and foreign specialists. For example, before the autumn launches there was no exact information about the flight range of the newest missiles. After the attacks of targets in Syria, no one left any doubt that ships and submarines with “Gauges” on board are a promising and promising means of non-nuclear deterrence and are able to influence the situation in relatively large regions.

According to the report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition”, it is now in third place in the world in terms of the combat strength of the Russian Navy, second only to the US and Chinese Navy. Also, it should be noted that the positive assessments of the report and the publication of The Daily Beast look very nice, as they come from the main competitor and the world leader. In addition, this situation leads to the appearance of loud headlines, talking about the concern of this competitor and leader. Indeed, the “recent awakening” of the Russian fleet must be disturbed by many third countries.


The article “US Fears Growth of a Newly Awakened Russian Navy”:
http://thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/28/u-s-fears-grow-of-a-newly-awakened-russian-navy.html

Report "The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition":
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/18/document-office-of-naval-intelligence-report-on-russian-navy
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  1. Bennert 12 January 2016 06: 45 New
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    The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet

    honestly tired
    what’s so awakened there that could make the US afraid

    X-47B drone aboard the Truman aircraft carrier


    Triton patrol drone - 30 hours above the ocean


    The Warner nuclear submarine is the 12th submarine of the Virginia type, which was put into service in 2015.


    Missile-artillery "Zamvolt", does not need to be introduced

    now you don’t have to rattle a nuclear club, but rather try to answer -What has changed with the Russian fleet over the past few years, that the US has suddenly started talking about its “awakening”. Built some new ships in the ocean zone? And if not, then what is it all about?
    1. Yak28 12 January 2016 07: 15 New
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      The US fleet, by the number and variety of ships, has overtaken Russia by 30 years, it’s in the fleet that we are not far behind the United States. Apparently the US military corporations want more orders, hence these articles. Or to convince Russia of the strength of its fleet, what would happen next especially not fluttering.
    2. Alex_59 12 January 2016 07: 57 New
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      Quote: BENNERT
      honestly tired
      what’s so awakened there that could make the US afraid

      Well, you ask your friends, not ours. It’s yours that money is being knocked out of the congress by such reports for your bread.
      Quote: BENNERT
      What has changed with the Russian fleet over the past few years, that the US suddenly started talking about its "awakening".
      So far only one thing has changed - the fall down has stopped. Apparently this is what is meant by "awakening" in American heads. As I understand it, they have all the concepts shifted one step. When the Russian fleet stagnates - this is their "Russian fleet awakens", when the Russian fleet falls - it is their "Russian fleet stagnating". Obviously, when our fleet really wakes up in their understanding, we will already overtake them in all respects.
      1. Bennert 12 January 2016 08: 13 New
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        Quote: Alex_59
        So far only one thing has changed - the fall down has stopped.

        Alexey, here from this place in more detail

        what is the "fall down" when it started and at what point it stopped. And what specific events are these milestones associated with
        1. Alex_59 12 January 2016 08: 50 New
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          Quote: BENNERT
          what is the "fall down" when it started and at what point it stopped.

          In my understanding (I do not pretend to be true).
          The fall began in the 91 year, when the construction of new ships in the interests of the Navy ended abruptly. At the same time, the decommissioning of units that had not yet worked out the resource began, for the maintenance and repair of which there was no money. As a result, the number of the Navy was rapidly declining, the regular presence of our Navy in the world’s oceans ceased, the practice of military services disappeared. The process gained momentum and did not stop at 2000. However, at the end of the 2000's, the first advances began to begin to do at least something to replenish the Navy with new units. As a result, today our Navy began, albeit in extremely small volumes, but to receive new ships. These are the projects 20380, 636, 21631, 955, 885. In 90 and 2000 there wasn’t that either. In addition, there are many other signs of recovery - the resumption of regular trips and preparations, the beginning of more or less regular repairs of surviving ships, etc. I can’t call it growth (I’m afraid to frighten it), but I can’t even consider it a fall.
          1. Bennert 12 January 2016 09: 26 New
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            Quote: Alex_59
            In the 90s and 2000s this was not there.

            It was

            K-150 "Tomsk": laying - August 1991, launching - July 1996. On March 17, 1997, the K-150 became part of the 1st Northern Fleet submarine flotilla. In 1998, the latest submarine nuclear submarine made the transition to the Far East under the ice of the Arctic Ocean. Currently part of the Pacific Fleet.


            K-295 Samara. Bookmark 1993 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
            K-157 Vepr. Bookmark 1990 d. Launching 1994 d. Admission to the fleet in the year 1995.
            K-335 "Cheetah", years of construction 1991-2001, accepted into the fleet. The pace of construction, as now, is even somewhat faster

            “Ash” - “Severodvinsk” was built from the 1993 of the year to the present, the head “Borey” was laid in the 1996 of the year

            Peter the Great was commissioned in 1998, the BPC Chabanenko in 1999.

            They built, even as they built. And they built by no means pathetic corvettes, and faster than now, when "the fall stopped"
            Quote: Alex_59
            As a result, the number of the Navy was rapidly declining, our navy’s regular presence in the world’s oceans has ceased, the practice of military services has disappeared.

            Why are you composing what was not

            The boats from the "animal division" met 1998 in the Sargasso Sea, and I know this for sure, because close people served there. You can google the names and details.

            And didn’t I hear about the large expedition of the SF ships to the Atlantic and Middle-earth, in 1996. Most of the personnel from Kuznetsov’s flights are of those times

            The regular presence was greatly reduced with the collapse of the Union. And continues to remain approximately at the same level. It’s just that in those days (the 90s – early 2000s) they didn’t trumpet every campaign on TV, because it seemed as if there was nothing, but now it began to appear. In fact - unchanged, but more PR. And all this "getting up from your knees" is a mirage. We are at the same level, the facts I cited above. If you have evidence to the contrary, try to refute.

            This cannot be called a recession - we have been holding this bar for the past 20 years. At the same level and with the same result. The Navy of the Russian Federation - there has never been any “decline”; these are all the same inventions of TV PR, the most ordinary fleet, in the top five of the world's strongest fleets, in the 90s, in the 00s, now. Do you expect more from him? Then please pay attention to the economy of the Russian Federation, and look for answers there
            1. Alex_59 12 January 2016 09: 57 New
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              Quote: BENNERT
              K-150 "Tomsk"
              I agree.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-295 "Samara".
              I agree.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-157 Boar.
              I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.
              Quote: BENNERT
              K-335 "Cheetah"
              Well, let him agree too.
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              “Ash” - “Severodvinsk” was built from the 1993 of the year to the present, the head “Borey” was laid in the 1996 of the year
              Laid by the inertia of Soviet times. And they froze the building. I have relatives on the NSR, do not lie about the “built”, they did not build, they were stupid.
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              Peter the Great was commissioned in 1998, the BPC Chabanenko in 1999.
              I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.

              Total of the ones you listed - 3 nuclear submarines, all Soviet-made
              For 2010-2015 - 4 crv (4 are under construction), 1 SSBN (3 are under construction), 3 SSB (3 are under construction), 4 DEPL (2 are under construction), 5 MPK (5 are under construction), 1 ФР). I’m not talking about tankers, rescuers, OIPs, tugboats, diving bots, boats and more. Only bad with minesweepers.

              Quote: BENNERT
              The boats from the "animal division" met 1998 year in the Sargasso Sea, and I know for sure, because close people served there.
              The exact definition is "met."
              Quote: BENNERT
              And didn’t I hear about the large expedition of the SF ships to the Atlantic and Middle-earth, in the 1996 year.
              I heard.

              Quote: BENNERT
              It’s just that in those days (90- beginning of 2000x) they didn’t trumpet every trip about TV,

              Apparently, you are not even closely aware of the enormous volume of activity of our Navy in the oceans, which no one ever mentions in any media today. The 90 and 2000 were not mentioned because there was nothing, but the Kuzi trip you brought up was trumpeted as the greatest achievement. Kuzya, of course, is such a fool that she can be seen right away, one cannot help writing about her, only the Navy is not only Kuzya (and generally just NOT Kuzya). But what is the constant stay at sea today for the invisible BDK, SKR, KIL, OIS, TR, BMTN that is not visible in the media? It's boring. What is there to write and shoot? How does KIL-158 creep along Greek ports? Who needs this? But this KIL all 90 e rusted in the South Bay, and now it does not get out of the SM.
              For activity in the sea, I heartily recommend you a resource: http://flot.com/project/map/
              1. Gomel 12 January 2016 11: 35 New
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                Well done.
                I don’t know why BENNERT has the US flag and the informal emblem of the last space shuttle, but I have the impression that he was not in Russia in the 90's and the beginning of the 00's and read only the press and even not the Russian one.
              2. Bennert 12 January 2016 23: 53 New
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                I do not agree. Bookmark in the USSR.

                Irrelevant

                Put on the slipway the embedded section of the ship - work for one day. To finish and saturate the ship with weapons and systems - years of labor. The fact of the bookmark "Boar" and "Peter" does not mean anything. They were honestly completed and handed over to the sailors. And all this happened in the 90s, about which you wrote:
                Quote: Alex_59
                As a result, today our Navy began, albeit in extremely small volumes, but to receive new ships. These are projects 20380, 636, 21631, 955, 885. In the 90s and 2000s this was not there.

                Which is not true. In the 90 and 200 e, the fleet, as it was already being laid, also slowly built and transferred ships. However, they were larger than the current RTOs and frigates.
                Quote: Alex_59
                And froze the building

                The same can be said of all modern shipbuilding programs.
                Corvette for 10 years, frigate for the same amount, the boat Severodvinsk was completed 7 years at EBN and then another 14 years at GDP
                Quote: Alex_59
                but the Kuzi trip you brought up was trumpeted as the greatest achievement

                In fact, no one knows about him. Including you, just wrote:
                Quote: Alex_59
                our navy’s regular presence in the world’s oceans has ceased, the practice of military services has disappeared

                video: Granite firing from the K-119 submarine Voronezh, strategic KShU Zapad-99
                1. Alex_59 13 January 2016 10: 23 New
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                  Quote: BENNERT
                  Which is not true. In the 90 and 200 e, the fleet, as it was already being laid, also slowly built and transferred ships. However, they were larger than the current RTOs and frigates.

                  Cool! You are so impressed by the surrender of “Peter” and “Chabanenko,” well ...
                  1998 year. A simple question - how many and which ships were laid and handed over?
                  Answer: It is laid down - zero (ZERO !!!). One completed (Peter)
                  1999 year. Mortgaged - zero. One completed ("Chabanenko")
                  2000 year. Mortgaged - zero. Two completed (MRK 1239, RCA 12411)
                  2001 year. Mortgaged - zero. Passed - two (MTSC 266, nuclear submarine 971)
                  2002 year. Mortgaged - zero. Passed - zero.
                  2003 year. Mortgaged - zero. Completed - two (TFR 11660, RCA 12411)

                  Total for 5 years - ZERO ships are laid !!! I'm bastard with your grass! This is called a fleet laying ships. Yes, and bigger than the current RTOs. This is what an overdose should be in order to seriously carry such nonsense.
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    3. inkass_98 12 January 2016 08: 38 New
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      Quote: BENNERT
      no need to rattle a nuclear club now

      And more, sorry, nothing. In our conditions, this is the most reliable argument. Let's not forget that the United States is an “island” state that has land borders only with its satellites - Canada and Mexico. They make all other efforts in external operations carried out with the help of the Navy.
      Russia is a continental country, the main military ports of which are located either in adverse climatic conditions or in fairly easily blocked water bodies.
      Hence the quite obvious approach to the formation of a military strategy - the fleet is collapsed, it must be built anew, but it is very expensive, priority is given to what is easier and faster to build up as a strike force.
      1. NEXUS 12 January 2016 10: 21 New
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        Quote: inkass_98
        Hence the quite obvious approach to the formation of a military strategy - the fleet is collapsed, it must be built anew, but it is very expensive, priority is given to what is easier and faster to build up as a strike force.

        In the light of some of the "successes" in the fleet, the information about Status-6 looks interesting. And it’s safe to say that such a PBA is not developed prematurely. But on the other hand, if such information was thrown, and obviously for the adversary, then apparently there are developments that our Defense Ministry would like to conceal with this stuffing.
      2. Operator 12 January 2016 11: 54 New
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        I wonder what report RUMO will go to the US Congress after adopting the Sarmat ICBM and what happens then with the Bennert template? laughing
    4. 222222 12 January 2016 10: 15 New
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      BENNERT US Today, 06:45
      The Daily Beast: The United States is increasingly fearful of the newly awakened Russian fleet
      honestly tired
      what’s so awakened that could make the United States fear
      ..you throw you-the gluttony of your defense industry .and its huge throat .. "black hole" -all absorbing .. laughing
      ..and the reason is not at all in Russia or China. laughing
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      A new topic for cutting dough from a mattress striped. There is an enemy, you need to increase the budget
    6. oblako 12 January 2016 12: 25 New
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      Д
      And if not, then what is it all about?
      About the increased aggressiveness of Russia !!! And this causes concern to the State Department! It’s clear as a white day!))) Who is the first to shout: “Hold the thief !!!” ?? That's right...
    7. g1v2 12 January 2016 16: 04 New
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      Yes, they did. “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov” - a ship of the ocean zone. New atomic submarines too. request The American fleet is certainly many times stronger, but after the construction of everything laid down, we will be able to protect our shores from it. Well, no one sets a goal to build a comparable to the American ocean fleet. We cannot win the budget race, and there is no need for such a fleet. Our choice is an asynchronous answer. For example, to put cruise missiles on a diesel and missile launcher, which are located on larger ships near the United States. DEPL ADMIRALTEYYYYYYYY SHIPYARDS ARE ALREADY BUILT FOR THE ONE AND A half YEAR, MRK Zelenodoltsy - FOR 2. Those same Warsaw and MRK we can build en masse in case of what. hi Can a dapel or mrk sink a larger ship? Quite. Well, frigates 22350 will be the basis of the ocean fleet, the leaders will not be part of the fleet for a long time. request It’s foolish to engage in cap-making, but there’s nothing to cry about - the work is underway and the fleet is growing.
    8. datur 12 January 2016 22: 35 New
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      Yes, it’s simple - at the output, almost all of your superprojects turn out to be just a prodigy !! wink
    9. datur 12 January 2016 22: 44 New
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      CALIBERS wink e invigorate ??? NOT? Well, okay!!!! drinks
    10. complete zero 13 January 2016 00: 05 New
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      Well, maybe it’s not worth the fear (for the USA), it’s clear to the hedgehog that the forces are incomparable (“but we will force ourselves to respect”) .. such a boat with such a complex as “Caliber” wherever you are on the expanses of the river (Volga) but even in the lake. .and the missile launch range of 1500-2000 km ... it doesn’t seem enough - the guaranteed interception is simply IMPOSSIBLE (you won’t track the launch site) .. so it’s a serious contraption
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  3. Dionis2019 12 January 2016 06: 50 New
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    Although such reports are mainly the reason for increasing the military budget, it’s still nice, as a Russian, to see the indignation and fears in the camp of a likely adversary in connection with the growing power of our country's navy
  4. Nehist 12 January 2016 06: 52 New
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    Yeah ... Delusional article. Something is not particularly noticeable change. All touched the USSR. About the ocean zone in general, you can simply shut up our presence too little. The long-term construction projects put into operation are already morally and technically outdated. If for the near zone they are still suitable, then for the fulfillment of some global issues, alas, ah
    1. Kent0001 12 January 2016 11: 14 New
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      And we need it now, I'm talking about global issues. And the fact that we have in the form of nuclear submarines in service is quite enough.
      1. Nehist 12 January 2016 11: 56 New
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        Dear fleet, this is actually a collection of different ships capable of solving different tasks. And with the number of nuclear-powered submarines that we really have on the go and not worth counting, we do not block the far zone even on approaches to our territorial waters.
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  6. 505506 12 January 2016 07: 44 New
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    He served in Vladivostok in 1990, and only from there. "Awakening" is too stealth technology. I didn’t see it. Everything is far from new, but a flagship, it is such a flagship ...
  7. v.yegorov 12 January 2016 08: 13 New
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    In the subtitle of the article, the author writes that the new report of the intelligence service of the US Navy paints a sobering picture of the growing aggressiveness of the Russian fleet, which turns out to be a deadly demonstration of force.

    It turns out to them, (USA), 12 aircraft carriers are few and at the same time they do not show aggression.
    And we have nothing to cover our shores with - and we are aggressors! Iron logic of a pervert. And all this stench on world air began after the appearance of medium-range cruise missiles of our sea-base, the Caliber. And the treaty
    we don’t violate, and any pelvis, which you won’t think of for a while, can burn off half of the Pacific coast from the shores of Kamchatka. You’ll think about it,
    Yes, and some allies felt chilly, became side-by-side to the side,
    like crabs.
    The cries about Russian aggression from the West always started after we achieved only parity. So, we only need to spit it deliciously, and let them wipe themselves.
  8. kapitan281271 12 January 2016 09: 16 New
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    Quote: BENNERT
    Quote: Alex_59
    So far only one thing has changed - the fall down has stopped.

    Alexey, here from this place in more detail

    what is the "fall down" when it started and at what point it stopped. And what specific events are these milestones associated with

    No fall has been stopped, one can only cautiously say that the trim command went aft, but unfortunately the dive continues.
    1. Alex_59 12 January 2016 10: 28 New
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      No fall has been stopped, one can only cautiously say that the trim command went aft, but unfortunately the dive continues.

      It seems to me that a lot depends on personal perception and on who understands the concepts of "growth", "fall" and "stagnation" for himself.
      The tonnage and number of ships under construction can become an objective indicator, but this requires serious analytics.
      1. Tektor 12 January 2016 16: 13 New
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        As it seems to me, for the Amers, it’s somehow imperceptible, like, Surprise !, a qualitative growth of the capabilities of our fleet has drawn. In the material, it is indicated that the opportunity appeared to use convection (!) Weapons to disable important stationary objects. Those. vulnerability of the infrastructure of the state Navy, for example, important radars or position areas. And this must be taken into account in planning. Well, this is just one of the points that are reported openly. In fact, qualitatively new impact and other means are expected that will dominate the vast expanses of oceans and coasts. And with this they need to do something ...
  9. Mikhail3 12 January 2016 10: 43 New
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    Touching all these American findings. The fleet and the "growth of aggressiveness associated with it"! That is, a powerful fleet in itself causes an increase in aggressiveness. No one has the right to confront the United States anywhere! If there is such an opportunity, its application is considered by the Americans as a settled matter!
    Tears from the eyes, especially as you recall the conclusions of foreign and part of our "experts" that the US goals on the world stage are supposedly "idealistic". Such idealistic that the dearest idealists have no doubt - they are attacked by anyone, generally anyone who only gets such an opportunity! These are the good, fair and right Americans! So good that the whole world wants to finish them off! And they know well about themselves who they are and how they are here, on this small planet, they love, value, respect.
    Since they know everything about themselves (I’m afraid we don’t even imagine much, but they are aware of it) they will do everything, absolutely everything so that no one equals them. Because, according to their own American conclusions, they must be wiped off the face of the Earth, and as soon as possible. So it is likely that you will have to do this as pure self-defense ...
  10. zyablik.olga 12 January 2016 10: 51 New
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    According to the report “The Russian Navy: A Historic Transition”, currently in strength Russian Navy ranked third in the world, second only to the US and Chinese Navy
    Here the author about the "fighting composition" of course got excited. no What is the point to wishful thinking. negative It seems to me that in the fighting force there are ships capable of really going out to sea and performing a combat mission, but we can say about payroll. There are a lot of examples when ships of 10-15 have been repaired for years or are waiting for their turn to be repaired, during which time they come to the condition of scrap metal.
  11. Gomel 12 January 2016 11: 09 New
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    1. The cover of the report is complete bad taste ....
  12. Pleyshner 12 January 2016 13: 17 New
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    If anyone is interested, here is a link to the report itself http://news.usni.org/2015/12/18/document-office-of-naval-intelligence-report-on-
    russian-navy. The report looks very overview and even with historical insets. It feels like it was made up more so that the NATO generals remembered what kind of fleet Russia has and what approximately it can. There are no special revelations in it, as well as disturbing notes. Therefore, it is not clear why this report drew the interest of David Ax from The Daily Beast, and even less such a panic title.
  13. Gorodovik 12 January 2016 14: 12 New
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    In fact, I think the situation is getting a little better. But the only thing that worries is that she straightens at the expense of small ships. I do not take into account nuclear submarines because their construction was not abandoned. We are now effectively building only corvettes. But starting with frigates, there are serious tugs. And I think the destroyer will build no less than 2025 years. And the aircraft carrier is generally from the category of fiction. But on it I would like to dwell in more detail.
    From the media, I understand that now plans for an aircraft carrier of at least 90000 tons of displacement. But we will build it endlessly. In my opinion, it is simpler and more important to design an aircraft carrier of the Wikramodyty dimension. For it is simpler and cheaper.
  14. Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 16: 26 New
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    Hmm ...

    We still can’t build corvettes normally — the first 10 has been slapping for the first time on the NPS. There are almost no gas turbines for the BNCs, there aren’t gas turbines, there aren’t any boilers (although this isn’t necessary), there is a diesel engine, but there are quality GUs, and 20380 operation a good example, I had to buy a diesel engine from the Germans, how it all ended everyone knows we can’t do turbo-electric power plants — the 23120 power plant is imported on the same project, and the 3 ship of the series did not receive it.

    The construction of the 4 generation NPL is de facto failed.

    The new BNK has a rather inadequate construction time. And much more ....

    Awakened as awakened.
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    2. g1v2 12 January 2016 17: 14 New
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      Well, the problem was that Assz was also in the fact that they spent the money allocated for the construction to pay off loans and, accordingly, they were in short supply all the time. For the industry to come to order, only one thing is needed - orders, and they went. When the company builds a couple of ships of one project and debugs them, it will build the next much faster. Including the time frame for the construction of gatekeepers 20380 to 4 years are going to be reduced. There Zelenodoltsy did the first MRK for 4 years, and the last in less than 2 passed. So the more we build, the less time. request
      Well, do not forget about import substitution - for 8 - 10 years, it is necessary to replace 826 Ukrainian samples and 127 western components. The initial plans of the GOZ did not provide for import substitution. If everything went as planned, there would be no problems with frigates and corvettes. That's just what to grind for what it would be. request In Samara, Ukrainian turbines began to be repaired - there was an article on Sun. A lot of guys with fresh passports appeared, the process is on. Gomes for frigates promise to start producing in 2017. lol MAY BE COMPLETELY LATE AND LATE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT WHAT WILL THIS CHANGE ON THE BACKGROUND OF SHIPS? Diesels also have someone to produce - a star for example. So nothing that Rybinsk could solve, I don’t see Kolomna and St. Petersburg residents. request
      But I agree with the 4th generation NAPL. Apparently, the Lada turned out raw and our people do not want to build them further. It was not in vain that they started talking about Warsaw women for Pacific Fleet, but they were going to build frets there. Moreover, everyone said that all problems were solved and even a couple of serial ones were laid, but it is clear that I can’t build them through. I see no other reason than the crude project. request And a similar situation is with Mig35, which is also only promoted by developers, but Mo is silent.
      1. Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 17: 55 New
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        The point is not only in the state of the NEA, but also in the fact that 20380 is not suitable for mass construction in our conditions, alas. Yes, and in general with this project, everything from the beginning frankly went through * opa, and everything goes through it and now, alas.

        But I didn’t say that we can’t produce gas-turbine plants ourselves, we can, but we only have the proverb, as usual, “until you kick it.” It was imperative to wait for the moment when the gas-turbine supply would block the already awful construction time ships in general will go along a known part of the female body, as well as the entire surface shipbuilding program as a whole.

        And about the diesel engines, I told them they were made, but Mr. Mr. still, read sho knowledgeable people write about it, especially those who served / worked as a transmitter / built them. Therefore, they wanted to put the normal ones by buying from the Germans, alas. ..
        1. g1v2 12 January 2016 18: 22 New
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          Well, they built 4 pieces of 20380, which means they can be made in series. request Th 8 more to get the planned 6 pieces for the defense of Kaliningrad and the Kuril I think will do. But since 20385 there is already a problem - a couple of mortgages will be completed, and what's next - xs. 20385 THE WORKS UNDER GERMAN DIESELS WERE DESIGNED FROM THE ORIGIN. request As for 20386, it is also unclear - obviously the whole project will be changed and it is quite possible to abandon it altogether. Or maybe they will build 20380 for the north - xs. As for the terms, as I already wrote everything is simple - it is necessary to build and they will decrease with each new ship. About the fact that Assz spent the money allocated on ships to repay loans - this is from the report of the Moscow Region to Putin in the summer. There, they also reported about breakdowns in terms of time for various weapons, including what I’m talking about in the transcript of the report. hi
          I heard about the diesel engine that Chirkov was saying, well, if the task is to fix the situation, then it will be completed. More expensive, late, but will be completed. Moreover, the diesel that the Star pushes through, sort of like a joint with the Austrians. That is, the project is joint, and our production will be. The lack of import dependence in his production of the Star guaranteed.
          And finally, personally, as an engineer and in one of the military specialties, the diesel mechanic, although the internal troops, have honestly forgotten a lot,repeat but still I don’t see an unsolvable problem in the production of an analogue of a diesel engine with already known parameters and which can be stupidly copied like the Chinese. request These are far from atomic technologies - the issue is in resources and organization. hi
          1. Anton Gavrilov 12 January 2016 20: 23 New
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            20385 collapsed, meet, finish off poorly poorly 2 mortgaged and all .....

            Yes, as many as 4 MOTHER OF THEIR CORVETTE FROM 2001 to 2014 th !!!!!!!! AND ALREADY THE WHOLE 5 THAT HAS BEEN LOST ON WATER, after 9 years in the workshop !!!!!!!! TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING WHAT SHOULDER CORVETTE WITH VI 2000 TONS! Soon, if the ships are to be opened, the next generation will have to be done, but we cannot master all this normally.

            20386 and so on are generally distant tales at the moment.

            The problem is not in the characteristics, but first and foremost in their quality and reliability, but both of them there does not shine alas.
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    One fact of the appearance and use of calibers turned out to be sufficient to cause panic in the mattresses.
    First, they were convinced that now they are with pro in flight. If earlier they had hoped to intercept only MBR with nuclear stuffing, the number of which was deliberately limited, now it turned out to be necessary ... very long-range cruise missiles with a shaving flight !!! From here follows their flight in the field of a preventive massive strike by cruise missiles. Most of all, they were shocked that a small boat, essentially a dish, is now able to sink huge ships at great distances!
    it's like a cheap penny RPG against a million dollar tank!
    And they took into account only our large ships, which became oh so few. Do not forget about GLONASS! Everything is already tied to her. And then they flew with their monopoly from the jpi.
    In short, a well-founded panic in the enemy’s camp !!!
  16. Thompson 13 January 2016 16: 24 New
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    As someone also does not like that we are becoming stronger
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    Our pride!