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Media: The Russian Defense Ministry ordered 50 Su-35 fighters in December

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At the end of December, the Ministry of Defense’s 2015 finally agreed with the Sukhoi company a 5-year contract for the supply of Su-50 X-guns, according to Ведомости with reference to the managers of the corporation UAC, which includes an aircraft manufacturing company.




According to one of the interlocutors, "the contract amount exceeds 60 billion rubles."

The contract "was planned to be signed 2015 in August at the MAKS-2015 air show, however, due to the abandonment of three-year budget planning, difficulties arose in determining the parameters of the contract," he explained.

"As a result, the contract was finally agreed and approved only after President Vladimir Putin signed the law on the federal budget for 2016 g," said a source.

To receive official comments in the Ministry of Defense edition has not yet succeeded.

As the source noted, “Su-35 is the most modern modification of the Su-27 fighter and was developed by Sukhoi for extra-budgetary funds with the involvement of loans from Vnesheconombank and other banks.”

He recalled that "the first contract for the supply of 48 machines of this type was signed in 2009, and fully executed in 2015 g."
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 11 January 2016 12: 04 New
    +9
    A powerful and beautiful car. And the leaders of the corporation - well done, that developed the car on extrabudgetary funds. They made and presented a good plane. Despite all the difficulties in the economy, it is necessary to supply new equipment to the army.
    Now our western "partners" have already shut up with their little words about old and rusty Russian military equipment. Especially after seeing the work of our VKS in Syria.
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 11 January 2016 12: 04 New
    +7
    5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters

    Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..
    1. remy
      remy 11 January 2016 12: 10 New
      +7
      10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
      capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
      where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
      we begin to sell to the Chinese ....
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 11 January 2016 12: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: remy
        we begin to sell to the Chinese ..

        And to whom, they are dear, but how will they protect their islands from ..... owls?
      2. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 11 January 2016 12: 29 New
        +4
        .... 10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
        capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
        where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
        we begin to sell to the Chinese ....

        .... Where does infa ???? .... As far as I know, KnAAPO in the best of times gave up to 10 pieces a month .... Now it’s true that it also does export contracts (to the same Su-30 Vietnam) .... But anyway, like 10 a year - it will not be enough ... hi
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 11 January 2016 15: 01 New
          +2
          The Irkutsk plant is capable of producing up to 12 cars per month. By the way, the twin brother of Komsomolsky ...
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 11 January 2016 15: 59 New
            +2
            ..... The Irkutsk plant is capable of producing up to 12 cars per month. By the way, the twin brother of Komsomolsky ...

            ..... Only well, very small .... laughing ..... At one time (80s), more than 60 thousand people worked in KnAAPO (then called ZiG) .... Well, there were volumes - you know yourself ... I did not only planes .... lol
      3. Wiruz
        Wiruz 11 January 2016 12: 29 New
        +1
        10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
        capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
        where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
        we begin to sell to the Chinese ....

        China and Indonesia
      4. HAM
        HAM 11 January 2016 12: 32 New
        +5
        The Chinese are learning Russian .... peculiar. Imagine what a technical translation looks like, say, a sight ....
        1. gjv
          gjv 11 January 2016 13: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: HAM
          The Chinese are learning Russian .... peculiar ...

          Imagine, the Chinese are doing a lot in a peculiar way. For example, they plan to buy Su-35, rivet their JF, design two "five-generation aircraft", build a new aircraft carrier. And at the same time they are mastering small aircraft with might and main.
          A curious selection of photographs used in the PLA army aviation of light Hunting Eagle gyroplanes. These gyros are made by the Chinese automobile company Baoji Special Vehicles Manufacturing Co. (Xi'an, Shaanxi Province), and are also used in law enforcement agencies of the PRC.




          And also, not being a polar power, but quite a warm country, they built a new military icebreaker and finish building the second one!


          The Haibing 722 icebreaker has a total displacement of 4860 tons, a length of 103,1 m, a width of 18,6 m. The main power plant is diesel-electric, the speed is 18 knots, and the cruising range is up to 7000 miles. The icebreaker is equipped with a large runway capable of receiving heavy helicopters of the Z-8 type.
          It is alleged that the Haibing 722 icebreaker will be used mainly for escorting ships and vessels in winter conditions in the periodically freezing Yellow Sea Bohai Bay, including for providing support for Chinese nuclear submarines being built and repaired in Huludao. As part of the PLA Navy, the new icebreaker replaced the former icebreaker of the same name, Haibing 722, built in Shanghai in 1969 and decommissioned in July 2013.
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 11 January 2016 13: 27 New
            +1
            The Chinese are good fellows, it would be great to be like them, but unlike us, they have an economy that is not completely dependent on oil prices and has a clear national idea.
          2. HAM
            HAM 11 January 2016 14: 46 New
            0
            So, you have come to one thought: the Chinese are using small aircraft for military purposes — is it not too early to write off piston planes and can they be used, for example, to fight drones !? They have the agility, almost any weaponry, and speed not really needed. Correct if not right ..
          3. Pajamas
            Pajamas 11 January 2016 16: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: gjv
            Icebreaker Haibing 722

            this hat is not an icebreaker, for its own freezing Sea of ​​Bohai.
          4. alone
            alone 11 January 2016 17: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: gjv
            And also, not being a polar power, but quite a warm country, they built a new military icebreaker and are building the second one!

            But you don’t know that China is in full swing resolving issues about the Arctic. This has long been said
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    2. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 11 January 2016 12: 18 New
      +1
      The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) in 2016 will adopt more than 200 aircraft and helicopters and five S-400 anti-aircraft missile regiments. This was stated in the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 11 January 2016 12: 27 New
        +1
        All the same, it’s bad that there is no modern plan for upgrading the Su-27. The US won the F-16V modification to which any F-16 fighter (even the end of the 70s) can be upgraded. There is also a modernization plan for the F-15C, which will allow them to operate until 2040, it seems.
        What prevents to upgrade the Su-27 to the level of the Su-35? Completely changing avionics, electronics in the cockpit, radar jamming station, etc. etc.?
        1. corporal
          corporal 11 January 2016 12: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          it’s bad that there is no modern plan for upgrading the Su-27. USA won modification F-16V

          SU-27 has a glider resource of 2000 hours, F-16 EMNIP-6000 hours.
          They have something to upgrade.
          1. looker-on
            looker-on 12 January 2016 01: 23 New
            +1
            Thank you for your comment. If there is information, please share why there is such a gap in the resource.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 11 January 2016 13: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          What prevents to upgrade the Su-27 to the level of the Su-35?

          The resource is running out, and the Su-35 is very different from the Su-27.
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 11 January 2016 12: 29 New
      +3
      Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..

      Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 11 January 2016 12: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?

        Old planes need to be replaced, this is not in addition, but instead. We have quite a few new fighters from the total.
      2. Falcon
        Falcon 11 January 2016 13: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?


        You know how many we had! And there was enough space.

        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 11 January 2016 13: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Falcon
          You know how many we had!

          In general, you are right, of course. But here are the numbers from the ceiling in your table and they are very underestimated ...
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 11 January 2016 14: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Odyssey
            In general, you are right, of course. But here are the numbers from the ceiling in your table and they are very underestimated ...


            Well, the table was not compiled by me, on the basis of this there is an assumption that the figures are not from the ceiling, nevertheless.

            For 100%, of course, I won’t give a hand for clipping, but I think the truth is very close wink
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 11 January 2016 14: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Falcon
              For 100%, of course, I won’t give a hand for clipping, but I think the truth is very close

              These bourgeois understood nothing in Soviet secrecy smile
              Only in the GSVG by the end of the 80s there were Mig-29, EMNIP, 8-9 regiments. And Mig-23 in each district had 2-4 regiments. You could pickle them wink
              This is not counting the air defense aviation where the Su-27, Mig-31 were present in large numbers, the same Mig-23P. The Su-15 and Mig-21 were also in the late 80s.
              We had really many planes ...
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 11 January 2016 14: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Odyssey
                These bourgeois understood nothing in Soviet secrecy


    4. seti
      seti 11 January 2016 13: 07 New
      +1
      This is for 100 pieces per year. What money and resources are needed for this. It is unlikely that we will now be able to allocate such amounts with a lack of funds in the budget ... I remember the first contract was for 48 units, and the second was concluded at the end of 15 of the year also for 48. And now they are talking about 50. Well, the more the merrier.
      Most likely now the emphasis in government procurement will be on the Su-35 and Su-34 and their subsequent modernization. These are the latest multi-purpose machines, the problem is that our factories still cannot produce a large number in a short time.
      Perhaps the sale of export versions of these aircraft (I recall the contracts were concluded in Algeria, Indonesia, China) will help increase production for our VKS and give an additional impetus to the production of this necessary equipment.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 January 2016 16: 28 New
        0
        "This is 100 pieces per year" ///

        By 10, if the order is 50 divided by 5 years.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 January 2016 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..

      In addition to the SU-35, on the approach of the PAK FA, a new attack aircraft (PAK DP), SU-34, su-30, and by the 20th year they promise new Swans (although, to be honest, they have little faith) and all this needs money. So it’s still good that so much was ordered. Everything is done gradually and, most importantly, is DONE.
    6. g1v2
      g1v2 12 January 2016 00: 09 New
      0
      Well, it's only su35. This year, the VKS received at least 18 Su34 and Su30 cm, 4 Su 30m2. 6 su35 s, 4 blink 29SMT, 12 yak130, 16 ka52, not less than 3 Mi-8MTV5-1. Well, the rest is a trifle. Plus upgrades instant 31 and so on. That is, for a year at least 50 new fighters only. There is no reason to think that this year will be less. request So 50 su35 for 5 years only means that they will buy other planes. (Maybe T50).
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 January 2016 12: 05 New
    0
    The military-industrial complex gained momentum. A good fighter in the troops will be welcome.
  4. Maxom75
    Maxom75 11 January 2016 12: 06 New
    +1
    Is it not enough?
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 11 January 2016 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Maxom75
      Is it not enough?

      Enough! Now rockets are more important ... From the Atlantic you need to fuck the hell! Everything is expensive ...
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 11 January 2016 12: 24 New
      0
      Is it not enough?

      Given that the serial production of the Su-50 (or whatever it is called) is approaching - no, not a little. It’s even strange that another party was ordered. I was hoping that the 48th fighter series "for myself" and limited hi
      1. adept666
        adept666 11 January 2016 13: 35 New
        +3
        I was hoping that the 48th fighter series "for myself" and limited
        Nothing strange about the second batch of 48 sides have been said for a long time (we can say from the moment of ordering the first batch). Su-1 and Su-30 is a replacement for the old Su-35 before the PAKFA release (and they will start to drive it in series from the 27th year, apparently, and even from the 17th - it is not known how things are with the engines, it seems to me that the engine of the first stage will only be on prototypes and experimental machines, contrary to all the claims of dry and MO)
  5. chikenous59
    chikenous59 11 January 2016 12: 06 New
    +5
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters

    Good. But not enough.

    It’s not enough for a cat ... ...
    Money is not endless) Armies not only SU-35 are needed. And to print rubles as Americans dollars does not work)
    Do not forget yet, if there are 100 aircraft, then everyone needs a roof, an arsenal, maintenance staff, etc. This also requires funds and personnel.
    Everything will be as far as possible.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 11 January 2016 12: 28 New
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      everyone needs a roof

      As for the roof, I think this is not a problem, old planes are either put into reserve or written off, replacing with new Su-35s.
    2. Falcon
      Falcon 11 January 2016 13: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: chikenous59
      Do not forget yet, if there are 100 aircraft, then everyone needs a roof


      Are you talking about the roof, figuratively?
      It was only during the union that the hangars were built. Now everything is in the open parking lot.

      In the photo one of our new products is 29cmt
      1. gjv
        gjv 11 January 2016 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Falcon
        It was only during the union that the hangars were built.

        In Korenovsk, hangars were built, though apparently repair ones.

        According to RIA Novosti, the construction of an updated 2,6-kilometer runway at a military airfield has already been completed. The width of the runway is about 45 meters. After the creation of this object, the air base will be able to accept all types of military aircraft.
        The reconstruction of the air base also includes the construction of such facilities as equipped covered hangars with a height of about 9 meters, a complex of maintenance blocks, warehouses and service boxes.
        The Southern Military District air base is deployed in the city of Korenovsk (Krasnodar Territory). Formed in the 2010 year, it is the successor to the 807 th assault aviation regiment created in March 1942.
        A new runway is also being built in the Transbaikal Steppe and plans to restore more or less preserved hangars.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 11 January 2016 14: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: gjv
          In Korenovsk, hangars were built, though apparently repair ones.


          In Kursk, there is also a hangar in the TEC.
          And then how to hang la and change the engine, in the open air or something laughing
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Falcon

        Are you talking about the roof, figuratively?
        It was only during the union that the hangars were built. Now everything is in the open parking lot.

        In the photo one of our new products is 29cmt

        Greetings Cyril! Where is it? Sorry for the low resolution on the photo. request
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 11 January 2016 14: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          Greetings Cyril! Where is it? Sorry for the low resolution on the photo.


          Good day Sergey!
          With past drinks

          Near Kursk:
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: Falcon
            Good day Sergey!
            With past

            Thank you!
            drinks
            Quote: Falcon
            Near Kursk:

            I thought so. I’ll look ...

            Frankly, a lot is written about Su-35С stupid things false information, and do not write what it would be worth writing about. But I do not want to be a pioneer in this matter ...
  6. Fisman
    Fisman 11 January 2016 12: 07 New
    0
    Good news. Until the 5th generation aircraft (PAK FA) were brought to mind, the Su-35 will be a worthy temporary replacement.
  7. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 11 January 2016 12: 11 New
    +1
    A 5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters. 10 units per year is not enough.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 11 January 2016 12: 26 New
      +5
      A 5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters. 10 units per year is not enough.

      Honestly, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, this is not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 pieces a year laughing
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 11 January 2016 12: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Naturally, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 units a year

        It is necessary to modernize and increase the assembly line then it will be faster.
        1. seti
          seti 11 January 2016 13: 19 New
          +1
          And it is being modernized, and not only her. Attract a large number of youth, conduct training and retraining. The average age has already decreased and this is good, a new generation is growing. In general, considerable funds are allocated for this. But the main thing is that there is a problem in the latest machine park. A large share of imported equipment, this is judged by the transfers on the assembly of aircraft / helicopters in the "Military Acceptance", but domestic machines only just take their places. God forbid, we will finish our re-equipment of industry and complete the industrial base - then we will expand production in the present as at Uralvagonzavod. And we will be able to stamp planes in 100 pieces per year and if more is needed without sacrificing quality.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Wiruz
        Honestly, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, this is not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 pieces a year

        Given the fact that today in Komsomolsk it was -36 in the morning, with a very invigorating breeze, another trend is observed - more and more people are moving from Komsomolsk to the western regions. Yes, and KNAAZ salaries for Komsomol prices, where everything imported is frankly not great. As for the comments, I personally have long ceased to engage in debates to explain things to people that are obvious. Unfortunately, many undertake to comment on something that they do not understand at all. sad
  8. eplewke
    eplewke 11 January 2016 12: 21 New
    +2
    Little, few. It’s good that at least these will be. Ten years ago, no one could have imagined that the new would be delivered in such quantities. An air wing of 50 such cars is already a force that will be reckoned with. The main thing is a good bird!
  9. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 11 January 2016 12: 22 New
    -16
    if for export I would be glad, and this is the purchase of losses in a falling economy.
    living beyond our means
  10. VladimS
    VladimS 11 January 2016 12: 28 New
    0
    Now our western "partners" have already shut up with their little words about old and rusty Russian military equipment.


    They changed the record. Now they are trying in every way to convince all of us (and probably ourselves), not to update our weapons ... They say that all our troubles come from that.
    http://tehnowar.ru/33370-rossiya-zastryala-v-spirali.html
  11. novobranets
    novobranets 11 January 2016 12: 34 New
    +1
    Again I’m not in the subject, but anger prevails. Another trick of cattle. Who are the guys there who still sympathize with them? Read.
    Interest in the difficult Russian-Ukrainian relations was fueled by two more events. A video of a New Year's party in one of the clubs in Kiev appeared on the Internet. Visitors were entertained there, staging the execution of the Russian pilot Su-24.

    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1593539/?fb#ixzz3wvWJq75Y
    These freaks are still cheaper than Gazka? The creatures are filthy. am
  12. VladimS
    VladimS 11 January 2016 12: 36 New
    +1
    buying losses in a falling economy.
    living beyond our means

    You can ask?
    And with amers, and not only with them, why does industrial production fall which month? Putin introduced them sanctions? Once again, the ceiling of state debt was pushed back ... there is nothing to pay public servants.
    And this is for all the chocolate .. how they blow all the TV channels.
  13. sereginaleks
    sereginaleks 11 January 2016 12: 40 New
    0
    These are new 50 pieces, and how many old will be finalized?
    1. looker-on
      looker-on 12 January 2016 01: 33 New
      0
      And the old Su-35 must still be searched.

      My opinion: Gone are the days when 1000+ units were built. Plane today is a terribly expensive thing. Yes, and pilots need to learn to grow leave in the wing. So the number is normal. I even faintly imagine what forces are needed to stop at least 1/2 from 50 Su pieces with cover and support from the ground on their land.
  14. chikenous59
    chikenous59 11 January 2016 12: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: chikenous59
    everyone needs a roof

    As for the roof, I think this is not a problem, old planes are either put into reserve or written off, replacing with new Su-35s.

    This I say for example. I didn’t mention much. For example, about the pilots. A plane appeared - a pilot should appear. And the pilot appears from a student who is spending a lot of money.
    The pilot receives a decent salary, social. the package, after all, also the apartment. Is it all free? No. All needs funds. No one will build airplanes for quantity if there are no funds for its maintenance, if there are not enough personnel.
    And rightly they say that production capacities may not be in time for the desire of the “generals" to stamp more planes.
    Export is also needed to replenish the budget. Do not think that fools are sitting in the General Staff. They think through everything to the smallest detail and know what they are doing. Everything comes from opportunities, alas, and not from desire.
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 11 January 2016 13: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: chikenous59
      Everything comes from opportunities, alas, and not from desire.


      Just that the authorities have no desire to change the existing economic theory. And she, at this stage, leads to the degradation of both the system and society.
  15. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 11 January 2016 13: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Maxom75
    Is it not enough?


    They should not be few. There should not be many. There should be enough of them for the security of the country, for the opportunity to solve any task at any point in the world.
  16. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 11 January 2016 13: 25 New
    +1
    How, at such a pace of production, they will compensate for the loss, if suddenly ...
  17. chikenous59
    chikenous59 11 January 2016 13: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    How, at such a pace of production, they will compensate for the loss, if suddenly ...

    They will use nuclear weapons. This is stated in the doctrine. And then, if it is possible and necessary, they will begin to make up for losses.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 January 2016 14: 02 New
    0
    Normally, for starters, so many planes are enough.
    After all, each aircraft is a development of technology, it is the best practices and ongoing modernization.
    So the first and tenth planes will vary significantly in terms of filling, I think so.
  19. Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 January 2016 14: 08 New
    +2
    It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
    The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
      The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.


      Yes, the figures are close to reality, but you forgot about the Su-27СМ. After 5 years, it seems to me that they will be recruited to the regiment.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 11 January 2016 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Yes, the numbers are close to reality, but you forgot about the Su-27SM

        I haven’t forgotten that these are old-built boards, their EMNIP history is still coming from the Northern Group of Forces. It is doubtful that they will survive until the 2021 of the year in flight-able condition. But if they survive it, of course, it’s good. You can add the Su-25СМ to the list of 30-27.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Odyssey
          I haven’t forgotten that these are old-built boards, their EMNIP history is still coming from the Northern Group of Forces. It is doubtful that they will survive until the 2021 of the year in flight-able condition. But if they survive it, of course, it’s good. You can add the Su-25СМ to the list of 30-27.

          As far as I know, part of the Su-27СМ was built “from scratch” from the export stock available at the plant (approximately 12 boards). They definitely survive, these machines are only 5-7 years old.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 11 January 2016 14: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            As far as I know, part of the Su-27SM was built "from scratch" from the export stock available at the plant (about 12 boards).

            Here is how? I didn’t know. I was sure that these were old sides from Poland. And the new construction was only the 12 Su-27СМ3. All the better, it means that the 12 planes will definitely be in service.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Odyssey
              Here is how? I didn’t know. I was sure that these were old sides from Poland. And the new construction was only the 12 Su-27СМ3. All the better, it means that the 12 planes will definitely be in service.

              According to the reviews of people whom I am inclined to believe the state of the glider, parts of the upgraded Su-27СМ leaves much to be desired and they are operated with restrictions on overloads.
              During the construction of the "new" Su-27СМ, the SU-27SK gliders were used from old groundwork left over from the "Chinese contract".
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 January 2016 14: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
      The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.

      But what about the SU-34? What is more, the interceptor has a question ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think he will be accepted into the series before the age of 21. Well, and according to the LFI, the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative.
      In general, wait and see. hi
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 11 January 2016 14: 35 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well and on the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are fighting on their own initiative too many questions arise.


        The Lord is with you! Prior to 21, the T-50 would have accepted what PAK DP and LFI were in the series.
        You are an optimist!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 January 2016 14: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Falcon
          The Lord is with you! Prior to 21, the T-50 would have accepted what PAK DP and LFI were in the series.
          You are an optimist!

          Yes, an optimist. But let's recall when we started talking about the development of PAK DP? About 5 years ago. Another question is that they don’t gag about it on every corner and that’s good. So, I think the appearance of a serial PAK DP in 21 years is quite real. As for the LFI, this is a question of two parties ... the first is the will and the second: the commercial interest, since 70% of all export strike aircraft falls on the LFI. And the MIG-35 frankly does not sell very well (to put it mildly). "Why? Yes, because it’s at least a good car, but not a new one, but a deep modernization on the 29th. And how not to upgrade it, you can’t cut generation 5 out of it. And today, development of strike aircraft of the 5th generation is underway, and some where already on the 6th.
          And if you don’t budge, then we can simply lose our markets.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 11 January 2016 14: 38 New
        +6
        Greetings Andrew! hi
        Quote: NEXUS
        And what about SU-34?

        Odysseus writes about exterminator aviation. Su-34 is a front-line bomber.
        Quote: NEXUS
        In addition, there is a question on the interceptor ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think that by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well, and according to the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative, many questions arise.

        God forbid that in five years, at least half of what you listed would really fly and be combat ready. I have Su-35С in the 23-IAP, which is called before my eyes. Believe me, to bring this aircraft to the characteristics that it is potentially capable of demonstrating will be more than one year.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 January 2016 14: 49 New
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          Quote: Bongo
          Greetings Andrew!

          Greetings, Seryozha hi
          Quote: Bongo
          Odysseus writes about fighter aircraft. Su-34 is a front-line bomber.

          That's right. But, this bomber that is cunning, capable of performing fighter functions, may not be as good as the 30, but still ... and air-to-air missiles are hung on it in the same Syria.

          Quote: Bongo
          Believe me, to bring this aircraft to the characteristics that it is potentially capable of demonstrating will be more than one year.

          I agree. But let us recall how many years the development of the MIG-31. Even the MIG-31BM by 21, I suspect it will not be particularly in favor. Therefore, the replacement of this wonderful car has been asking for a long time. And work was still underway with the union. And today, we are on the verge of hyper-speed aircraft, which is a fact.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 11 January 2016 15: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: NEXUS
            That's right. But, this bomber that is cunning, capable of performing fighter functions, may not be as good as the 30, but still ... and air-to-air missiles are hung on it in the same Syria.

            Andrew, you should not believe everything that is shown by the "zomboyaschik" no It is a pity there is no "Ancient", he would confirm ... Actually, the Su-34 is so far only capable of using the P-73.
            Quote: NEXUS
            I agree. But let us recall how many years the development of the MIG-31. Even the MIG-31BM by 21, I suspect it will not be particularly in favor. Therefore, the replacement of this wonderful car has been asking for a long time. And work was still underway with the union. And today, we are on the verge of hyper-speed aircraft, which is a fact.

            Development is of course underway, but the production base ... crying This is especially true for any "little things", and you need your own electronics developcreate from scratch. The fact that the Su-35С part of the avionics is assembled from the Chinese and Indian element base is a shame!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 11 January 2016 15: 13 New
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              Quote: Bongo
              Andrew, you should not believe everything that is shown by the "zomboyaschik"

              Yes, I almost do not watch it laughing
              Quote: Bongo
              Sorry for the "Ancient" no, he would have confirmed ... Actually, the Su-34 is capable of using only the R-73.

              By the way, what stone did this “Ancient” grumbler climb under? I don’t see it at all.
              And the R-73, although short-range, but still works on air targets. I don’t think that the duckling is needed more, because after all it really is not an air fighter, but primarily a bomber with the makings of an attack aircraft.
              Quote: Bongo
              Development is of course underway, but the production base ...

              I agree. But you know yourself under a lying stone ...
              Quote: Bongo
              This is especially true for any "little things", and your electronics must be developed, created almost from scratch. The fact that the Su-35S part of the avionics is assembled from the Chinese and Indian element base is a shame!

              Here I have nothing to parry, if not sad. As they say, a knockout. But still, I am optimistic about this, since we won’t be quick-witted to our kulibin. Let's see.
              Best regards drinks
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 11 January 2016 15: 19 New
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                Yes, I almost do not watch it

                Me too, only the news in the morning. But when, after the Turks shot down Su-24M and started to hang P-34 on Sy-27 in Syria, I openly spit ... it’s clear that there’s a psychological war, but against whom? Our "partners" are well aware of the real capabilities of Su-34, i.e. it was shown "for their own." negative
                Quote: NEXUS
                By the way, what stone did this “Ancient” grumbler climb under? I don’t see it at all.

                As far as I know, dangles on business trips ... mainly in repair factories.
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 11 January 2016 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Syria began to hang pointedly P-27 - I frankly spit ... it is clear that psychological warfare


                  Strange, the radar is quite decent, the P-27 would look quite adequate. I don’t understand why not
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 11 January 2016 15: 27 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Falcon
                    Strange, the radar is quite decent, the P-27 would look quite adequate. I don’t understand why not

                    Cyril, take a look at the results of the GSI on Su-34 ...
      3. Odysseus
        Odysseus 11 January 2016 14: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        And what about SU-34?

        I wrote about the fighters. Su-34 will be about 130 aircraft.
        Quote: NEXUS
        In addition, there is a question on the interceptor ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think that by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well, and according to the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative, many questions arise.

        I agree with Falcon - you are an optimist smile This, by the way, is good.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 January 2016 14: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Odyssey
          I agree with Falcon. You are an optimist. This, by the way, is good.

          Why cry? wink We’ll work, there will be results. Of course, a good two-three bureaucrat ala Serdyukov and a red-haired nano with MMM would not be in a good place.
          Best regards hi
  20. newcomer
    newcomer 11 January 2016 15: 05 New
    +4
    Nexus help me figure it out. at 31 instants of the last modification there will be a six-barrel gun (after all, it was developed exclusively for the 31x, sort of like in the 80s.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 January 2016 15: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      Nexus help me figure it out. at 31 instants of the last modification there will be a six-barrel gun (after all, it was developed exclusively for the 31x, sort of like in the 80s.

      A cannon with a 6-barrel gun GSh-6-23M, 23 mm caliber with 260 rounds of ammunition, is located in the fairing on the right side of the fuselage.
      Serial production was organized in 1972. Adopted in 1974 under the designation GSh-6-23 (9-A-620)
      They will probably put GSh-6-30 (TKB-635) ... but I could be wrong hi
  21. air wolf
    air wolf 11 January 2016 15: 31 New
    0
    Only the price tag is not humane for our country, or is it also sawing everything there?
    1. KnightRider
      KnightRider 11 January 2016 18: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: air wolf
      Only the price tag is not humane for our country, or is it also sawing everything there?

      Normal price tag. At 1,2 billion rubles per plane or $ 16 million. The Chinese are going to exorbitantly ...
  22. vv3
    vv3 11 January 2016 18: 49 New
    +2
    After showing a drive like “Bant''so a downed plane, which is part of the updated REO SU-24M +, I just got sick. There is no other word ... I would like to respectfully shake hands with people like Bongo, for they put us on a `` sinful '' land. Realism in aviation is the most important thing ....
  23. gukoyan
    gukoyan 12 January 2016 10: 47 New
    0
    Sukhoi Design Bureau has always leaned against this organization, they always produce only high-quality aircraft ... And if you develop a car at your own expense, you get a serious masterpiece, the SU-25, which was built secretly from the big bosses!
  24. prorab_ak
    prorab_ak 12 January 2016 17: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Is it not enough?

    Given that the serial production of the Su-50 (or whatever it is called) is approaching - no, not a little. It’s even strange that another party was ordered. I was hoping that the 48th fighter series "for myself" and limited hi

    On the way? Serial (12 pcs) ?? Without engines ??? Bueee wassat
    Ball of patriots gained momentum and threatens to fall into a protracted corkscrew wink