Media: The Russian Defense Ministry ordered 50 Su-35 fighters in December

At the end of December, the Ministry of Defense’s 2015 finally agreed with the Sukhoi company a 5-year contract for the supply of Su-50 X-guns, according to Ведомости with reference to the managers of the corporation UAC, which includes an aircraft manufacturing company.

According to one of the interlocutors, "the contract amount exceeds 60 billion rubles."

The contract "was planned to be signed 2015 in August at the MAKS-2015 air show, however, due to the abandonment of three-year budget planning, difficulties arose in determining the parameters of the contract," he explained.

"As a result, the contract was finally agreed and approved only after President Vladimir Putin signed the law on the federal budget for 2016 g," said a source.

To receive official comments in the Ministry of Defense edition has not yet succeeded.

As the source noted, “Su-35 is the most modern modification of the Su-27 fighter and was developed by Sukhoi for extra-budgetary funds with the involvement of loans from Vnesheconombank and other banks.”

He recalled that "the first contract for the supply of 48 machines of this type was signed in 2009, and fully executed in 2015 g."

Comments

[sever.56]

A powerful and beautiful car. And the leaders of the corporation - well done, that developed the car on extrabudgetary funds. They made and presented a good plane. Despite all the difficulties in the economy, it is necessary to supply new equipment to the army.
Now our Western "partners" have already shut up something with their words about old and rusty Russian military equipment. Especially after we saw the work of our Aerospace Forces in Syria.

[Ami du peuple]

5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters

Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..

[remy]

10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
we begin to sell to the Chinese ....

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: remy

we begin to sell to the Chinese ..

And to whom, they are dear, but how will they protect their islands from ..... owls?

[aleks 62 next]

.... 10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
we begin to sell to the Chinese ....

.... Where does infa ???? .... As far as I know, KnAAPO in the best of times gave up to 10 pieces a month .... Now it’s true that it also does export contracts (to the same Su-30 Vietnam) .... But anyway, like 10 a year - it will not be enough ...

[33 Watcher]

The Irkutsk plant is capable of producing up to 12 cars per month. By the way, the twin brother of Komsomolsky ...

[aleks 62 next]

..... The Irkutsk plant is capable of producing up to 12 cars per month. By the way, the twin brother of Komsomolsky ...

..... Only well, very small .... ..... At one time (80s), more than 60 thousand people worked in KnAAPO (then called ZiG) .... Well, there were volumes - you know yourself ... I did not only planes ....

[Wiruz]

10 cars a year, as it’s not enough
capacities allow to produce 16 fighters per year
where 6 more have gone for 5 years i.e. 30 fighters?
we begin to sell to the Chinese ....

China and Indonesia

[HAM]

The Chinese are learning Russian .... peculiar. Imagine what a technical translation looks like, say, a sight ....

[gjv]

Quote: HAM

The Chinese are learning Russian .... peculiar ...

Imagine, the Chinese do a lot in their own way. For example, they plan to buy Su-35s, rivet their own JFs, design two "five-generation" aircraft, and build a new aircraft carrier. And at the same time, they are mastering small aircraft with might and main.
A curious selection of photographs used in the PLA army aviation of light Hunting Eagle gyroplanes. These gyros are made by the Chinese automobile company Baoji Special Vehicles Manufacturing Co. (Xi'an, Shaanxi Province), and are also used in law enforcement agencies of the PRC.

And also, not being a polar power, but quite a warm country, they built a new military icebreaker and finish building the second one!

The Haibing 722 icebreaker has a total displacement of 4860 tons, a length of 103,1 m, a width of 18,6 m. The main power plant is diesel-electric, the speed is 18 knots, and the cruising range is up to 7000 miles. The icebreaker is equipped with a large runway capable of receiving heavy helicopters of the Z-8 type.
It is alleged that the Haibing 722 icebreaker will be used mainly for escorting ships and vessels in winter conditions in the periodically freezing Yellow Sea Bohai Bay, including for providing support for Chinese nuclear submarines being built and repaired in Huludao. As part of the PLA Navy, the new icebreaker replaced the former icebreaker of the same name, Haibing 722, built in Shanghai in 1969 and decommissioned in July 2013.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

The Chinese are good fellows, it would be great to be like them, but unlike us, they have an economy that is not completely dependent on oil prices and has a clear national idea.

[HAM]

So, you have come to one thought: the Chinese are using small aircraft for military purposes — is it not too early to write off piston planes and can they be used, for example, to fight drones !? They have the agility, almost any weaponry, and speed not really needed. Correct if not right ..

[Pajamas]

Quote: gjv

Icebreaker Haibing 722

this hat is not an icebreaker, for its own freezing Sea of ​​Bohai.

[alone]

Quote: gjv

And also, not being a polar power, but quite a warm country, they built a new military icebreaker and are building the second one!

But you don’t know that China is in full swing resolving issues about the Arctic. This has long been said

[Coconut Tima]

The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) in 2016 will adopt more than 200 aircraft and helicopters and five S-400 anti-aircraft missile regiments. This was stated in the Ministry of Defense.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

All the same, it’s bad that there is no modern plan for upgrading the Su-27. The US won the F-16V modification to which any F-16 fighter (even the end of the 70s) can be upgraded. There is also a modernization plan for the F-15C, which will allow them to operate until 2040, it seems.
What prevents to upgrade the Su-27 to the level of the Su-35? Completely changing avionics, electronics in the cockpit, radar jamming station, etc. etc.?

[corporal]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

it’s bad that there is no modern plan for upgrading the Su-27. USA won modification F-16V

SU-27 has a glider resource of 2000 hours, F-16 EMNIP-6000 hours.
They have something to upgrade.

[looker-on]

Thank you for your comment. If there is information, please share why there is such a gap in the resource.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

What prevents to upgrade the Su-27 to the level of the Su-35?

The resource is running out, and the Su-35 is very different from the Su-27.

[Wiruz]

Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..

Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?

Old planes need to be replaced, this is not in addition, but instead. We have quite a few new fighters from the total.

[Falcon]

Quote: Wiruz

Well, so many of them? Wikipedia read that the US has 100500 aircraft and also wanted it too? And who will give money to them? And who will fly on them? Where will they be based? And most importantly: who can explain why there are so many of them?

You know how many we had! And there was enough space.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Falcon

You know how many we had!

In general, you are right, of course. But here are the numbers from the ceiling in your table and they are very underestimated ...

[Falcon]

Quote: Odyssey

In general, you are right, of course. But here are the numbers from the ceiling in your table and they are very underestimated ...

Well, the table was not compiled by me, on the basis of this there is an assumption that the figures are not from the ceiling, nevertheless.

For 100%, of course, I won’t give a hand for clipping, but I think the truth is very close

[Odysseus]

Quote: Falcon

For 100%, of course, I won’t give a hand for clipping, but I think the truth is very close

These bourgeois understood nothing in Soviet secrecy
Only in the GSVG by the end of the 80s there were Mig-29, EMNIP, 8-9 regiments. And Mig-23 in each district had 2-4 regiments. You could pickle them
This is not counting the air defense aviation where the Su-27, Mig-31 were present in large numbers, the same Mig-23P. The Su-15 and Mig-21 were also in the late 80s.
We had really many planes ...

[Falcon]

Quote: Odyssey

These bourgeois understood nothing in Soviet secrecy

[seti]

This is for 100 pieces per year. What money and resources are needed for this. It is unlikely that we will now be able to allocate such amounts with a lack of funds in the budget ... I remember the first contract was for 48 units, and the second was concluded at the end of 15 of the year also for 48. And now they are talking about 50. Well, the more the merrier.
Most likely now the emphasis in government procurement will be on the Su-35 and Su-34 and their subsequent modernization. These are the latest multi-purpose machines, the problem is that our factories still cannot produce a large number in a short time.
Perhaps the sale of export versions of these aircraft (I recall the contracts were concluded in Algeria, Indonesia, China) will help increase production for our VKS and give an additional impetus to the production of this necessary equipment.

[voyaka uh]

"This is 100 pieces per year" ///

By 10, if the order is 50 divided by 5 years.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Good. But not enough. If 500 in 5 years. Oh, dreams ..

In addition to the SU-35, on the approach of the PAK FA, a new attack aircraft (PAK DP), SU-34, su-30, and by the 20th year they promise new Swans (although, to be honest, they have little faith) and all this needs money. So it’s still good that so much was ordered. Everything is done gradually and, most importantly, is DONE.

[g1v2]

Well, it's only su35. This year, the VKS received at least 18 Su34 and Su30 cm, 4 Su 30m2. 6 su35 s, 4 blink 29SMT, 12 yak130, 16 ka52, not less than 3 Mi-8MTV5-1. Well, the rest is a trifle. Plus upgrades instant 31 and so on. That is, for a year at least 50 new fighters only. There is no reason to think that this year will be less. So 50 su35 for 5 years only means that they will buy other planes. (Maybe T50).

[Mountain shooter]

The military-industrial complex gained momentum. A good fighter in the troops will be welcome.

[Maxom75]

Is it not enough?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Maxom75

Is it not enough?

Enough! Now rockets are more important ... From the Atlantic you need to fuck the hell! Everything is expensive ...

[Wiruz]

Is it not enough?

Considering that the serial production of the Su-50 (or whatever it will be called there) is on the way - no, not enough. It’s even strange that another batch was ordered. I hoped that the 48th fighter series "for myself" will be limited to

[adept666]

I hoped that the 48th fighter series "for myself" will be limited to

Nothing strange about the second batch of 48 sides have been said for a long time (we can say from the moment of ordering the first batch). Su-1 and Su-30 is a replacement for the old Su-35 before the PAKFA release (and they will start to drive it in series from the 27th year, apparently, and even from the 17th - it is not known how things are with the engines, it seems to me that the engine of the first stage will only be on prototypes and experimental machines, contrary to all the claims of dry and MO)

[chikenous59]

Quote: Ami du peuple

5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters

Good. But not enough.

It’s not enough for a cat ... ...
Money is not endless) Armies not only SU-35 are needed. And to print rubles as Americans dollars does not work)
Do not forget yet, if there are 100 aircraft, then everyone needs a roof, an arsenal, maintenance staff, etc. This also requires funds and personnel.
Everything will be as far as possible.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: chikenous59

everyone needs a roof

As for the roof, I think this is not a problem, old planes are either put into reserve or written off, replacing with new Su-35s.

[Falcon]

Quote: chikenous59

Do not forget yet, if there are 100 aircraft, then everyone needs a roof

Are you talking about the roof, figuratively?
It was only during the union that the hangars were built. Now everything is in the open parking lot.

In the photo one of our new products is 29cmt

[gjv]

Quote: Falcon

It was only during the union that the hangars were built.

In Korenovsk, hangars were built, though apparently repair ones.

According to RIA Novosti, the construction of an updated 2,6-kilometer runway at a military airfield has already been completed. The width of the runway is about 45 meters. After the creation of this object, the air base will be able to accept all types of military aircraft.
The reconstruction of the air base also includes the construction of such facilities as equipped covered hangars with a height of about 9 meters, a complex of maintenance blocks, warehouses and service boxes.
The Southern Military District air base is deployed in the city of Korenovsk (Krasnodar Territory). Formed in the 2010 year, it is the successor to the 807 th assault aviation regiment created in March 1942.
A new runway is also being built in the Transbaikal Steppe and plans to restore more or less preserved hangars.

[Falcon]

Quote: gjv

In Korenovsk, hangars were built, though apparently repair ones.

In Kursk, there is also a hangar in the TEC.
And then how to hang la and change the engine, in the open air or something

[Bongo]

Quote: Falcon

Are you talking about the roof, figuratively?
It was only during the union that the hangars were built. Now everything is in the open parking lot.

In the photo one of our new products is 29cmt

Greetings Cyril! Where is it? Sorry for the low resolution on the photo.

[Falcon]

Quote: Bongo

Greetings Cyril! Where is it? Sorry for the low resolution on the photo.

Good day Sergey!
With past

Near Kursk:

[Bongo]

Quote: Falcon

Good day Sergey!
With past

Thank you!

Quote: Falcon

Near Kursk:

I thought so. I’ll look ...

Frankly, a lot is written about Su-35С stupid things false information, and do not write what it would be worth writing about. But I do not want to be a pioneer in this matter ...

[Fisman]

Good news. Until the 5th generation aircraft (PAK FA) were brought to mind, the Su-35 will be a worthy temporary replacement.

[Primus pilus]

A 5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters. 10 units per year is not enough.

[Wiruz]

A 5-year contract for the supply of 50 Su-35 fighters. 10 units per year is not enough.

Honestly, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, this is not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 pieces a year

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

Naturally, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 units a year

It is necessary to modernize and increase the assembly line then it will be faster.

[seti]

And it is already being modernized and not only it. They attract a large number of young people, conduct training and retraining. The average age has already decreased and this is good, a new generation is growing. In general, considerable funds are allocated for this. But the main thing is that there is a problem in the newest machine park. A large share of imported equipment, judging by the programs on the assembly of aircraft / helicopters in the "Military Acceptance", but the domestic machines are only just taking their places. God forbid, we will complete our re-equipment of industry and before we build an industrial base - then we will develop production as it is at Uralvagonzavod. And we will be able to churn out planes of 100 pieces a year, and if more is required without compromising quality.

[Bongo]

Quote: Wiruz

Honestly, such comments are enraging: this is not enough, this is not enough. Go to KnAAZ to work - there will be 11 pieces a year

Given the fact that today in Komsomolsk it was -36 in the morning, with a very invigorating breeze, another trend is observed - more and more people are moving from Komsomolsk to the western regions. Yes, and KNAAZ salaries for Komsomol prices, where everything imported is frankly not great. As for the comments, I personally have long ceased to engage in debates to explain things to people that are obvious. Unfortunately, many undertake to comment on something that they do not understand at all.

[eplewke]

Little, few. It’s good that at least these will be. Ten years ago, no one could have imagined that the new would be delivered in such quantities. An air wing of 50 such cars is already a force that will be reckoned with. The main thing is a good bird!

[-Traveler-]

if for export I would be glad, and this is the purchase of losses in a falling economy.
living beyond our means

[VladimS]

Now our Western "partners" have already shut up something with their words about old and rusty Russian military equipment.

They changed the record. Now they are trying in every way to convince all of us (and probably ourselves), not to update our weapons ... They say that all our troubles come from that.
http://tehnowar.ru/33370-rossiya-zastryala-v-spirali.html

[novobranets]

Again I’m not in the subject, but anger prevails. Another trick of cattle. Who are the guys there who still sympathize with them? Read.

Interest in the difficult Russian-Ukrainian relations was fueled by two more events. A video of a New Year's party in one of the clubs in Kiev appeared on the Internet. Visitors were entertained there, staging the execution of the Russian pilot Su-24.

Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1593539/?fb#ixzz3wvWJq75Y

These freaks are still cheaper than Gazka? The creatures are filthy.

[VladimS]

buying losses in a falling economy.
living beyond our means

You can ask?
And with amers, and not only with them, why does industrial production fall which month? Putin introduced them sanctions? Once again, the ceiling of state debt was pushed back ... there is nothing to pay public servants.
And this is for all the chocolate .. how they blow all the TV channels.

[sereginaleks]

These are new 50 pieces, and how many old will be finalized?

[looker-on]

And the old Su-35 must still be searched.

My opinion: Gone are the days when 1000+ units were built. Plane today is a terribly expensive thing. Yes, and pilots need to learn to grow leave in the wing. So the number is normal. I even faintly imagine what forces are needed to stop at least 1/2 from 50 Su pieces with cover and support from the ground on their land.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: chikenous59

everyone needs a roof

As for the roof, I think this is not a problem, old planes are either put into reserve or written off, replacing with new Su-35s.

This I say for example. I didn’t mention much. For example, about the pilots. A plane appeared - a pilot should appear. And the pilot appears from a student who is spending a lot of money.
The pilot receives a decent salary, social. the package, after all, also the apartment. Is it all free? No. All needs funds. No one will build airplanes for quantity if there are no funds for its maintenance, if there are not enough personnel.
And it is rightly said that the production capacity may not keep pace with the desire of the "generals" to stamp more aircraft.
Export is also needed to replenish the budget. Do not think that fools are sitting in the General Staff. They think through everything to the smallest detail and know what they are doing. Everything comes from opportunities, alas, and not from desire.

[Mareman Vasilich]

Quote: chikenous59

Everything comes from opportunities, alas, and not from desire.

Just that the authorities have no desire to change the existing economic theory. And she, at this stage, leads to the degradation of both the system and society.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Maxom75

Is it not enough?

They should not be few. There should not be many. There should be enough of them for the security of the country, for the opportunity to solve any task at any point in the world.

[Mareman Vasilich]

How, at such a pace of production, they will compensate for the loss, if suddenly ...

[chikenous59]

Quote: Mareman Vasilich

How, at such a pace of production, they will compensate for the loss, if suddenly ...

They will use nuclear weapons. This is stated in the doctrine. And then, if it is possible and necessary, they will begin to make up for losses.

[Zomanus]

Normally, for starters, so many planes are enough.
After all, each aircraft is a development of technology, it is the best practices and ongoing modernization.
So the first and tenth planes will vary significantly in terms of filling, I think so.

[Odysseus]

It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.

[Bongo]

Quote: Odyssey

It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.

Yes, the figures are close to reality, but you forgot about the Su-27СМ. After 5 years, it seems to me that they will be recruited to the regiment.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Bongo

Yes, the numbers are close to reality, but you forgot about the Su-27SM

I haven’t forgotten that these are old-built boards, their EMNIP history is still coming from the Northern Group of Forces. It is doubtful that they will survive until the 2021 of the year in flight-able condition. But if they survive it, of course, it’s good. You can add the Su-25СМ to the list of 30-27.

[Bongo]

Quote: Odyssey

I haven’t forgotten that these are old-built boards, their EMNIP history is still coming from the Northern Group of Forces. It is doubtful that they will survive until the 2021 of the year in flight-able condition. But if they survive it, of course, it’s good. You can add the Su-25СМ to the list of 30-27.

As far as I know, some of the Su-27SM were built "from scratch" from the existing export stock at the plant (approximately 12 aircraft). They will definitely survive, these cars are only 5-7 years old.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Bongo

As far as I know, some of the Su-27SM were built "from scratch" from the existing export stock at the plant (about 12 sides).

Here is how? I didn’t know. I was sure that these were old sides from Poland. And the new construction was only the 12 Su-27СМ3. All the better, it means that the 12 planes will definitely be in service.

[Bongo]

Quote: Odyssey

Here is how? I didn’t know. I was sure that these were old sides from Poland. And the new construction was only the 12 Su-27СМ3. All the better, it means that the 12 planes will definitely be in service.

According to the reviews of people whom I am inclined to believe the state of the glider, parts of the upgraded Su-27СМ leaves much to be desired and they are operated with restrictions on overloads.
During the construction of the "new" Su-27SM, the SU-27SK gliders were used from the old reserves left over from the "Chinese contract".

[NEXUS]

Quote: Odyssey

It’s possible to estimate, by the 2021 year in fighter aircraft, we will have: about 100 Su-35, from 150 to 200 Su-30СМ, 20 СУ-30М2, at least 50 Миг-29СМТ, 12 СУ-27NMX3NX100NX150N 31BM, 12 T-50. This is under existing contracts.
The figures are, frankly, disappointing, but these are today's realities.

But what about the SU-34? What is more, the interceptor has a question ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think he will be accepted into the series before the age of 21. Well, and according to the LFI, the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative.
In general, wait and see.

[Falcon]

Quote: NEXUS

the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well and on the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are fighting on their own initiative too many questions arise.

The Lord is with you! Prior to 21, the T-50 would have accepted what PAK DP and LFI were in the series.
You are an optimist!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Falcon

The Lord is with you! Prior to 21, the T-50 would have accepted what PAK DP and LFI were in the series.
You are an optimist!

Yes, an optimist. But let's recall when we started talking about the development of PAK DP? About 5 years ago. Another question is that they don’t gag about it on every corner and that’s good. So, I think the appearance of a serial PAK DP in 21 years is quite real. As for the LFI, this is a question of two parties ... the first is the will and the second: the commercial interest, since 70% of all export strike aircraft falls on the LFI. And the MIG-35 frankly does not sell very well (to put it mildly). "Why? Yes, because it’s at least a good car, but not a new one, but a deep modernization on the 29th. And how not to upgrade it, you can’t cut generation 5 out of it. And today, development of strike aircraft of the 5th generation is underway, and some where already on the 6th.
And if you don’t budge, then we can simply lose our markets.

[Bongo]

Greetings Andrew!

Quote: NEXUS

And what about SU-34?

Odysseus writes about exterminator aviation. Su-34 is a front-line bomber.

Quote: NEXUS

In addition, there is a question on the interceptor ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think that by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well, and according to the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative, many questions arise.

God forbid that in five years, at least half of what you listed would really fly and be combat ready. I have Su-35С in the 23-IAP, which is called before my eyes. Believe me, to bring this aircraft to the characteristics that it is potentially capable of demonstrating will be more than one year.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bongo

Greetings Andrew!

Greetings, Seryozha

Quote: Bongo

Odysseus writes about fighter aircraft. Su-34 is a front-line bomber.

That's right. But, this bomber that is cunning, capable of performing fighter functions, may not be as good as the 30, but still ... and air-to-air missiles are hung on it in the same Syria.

Quote: Bongo

Believe me, to bring this aircraft to the characteristics that it is potentially capable of demonstrating will be more than one year.

I agree. But let us recall how many years the development of the MIG-31. Even the MIG-31BM by 21, I suspect it will not be particularly in favor. Therefore, the replacement of this wonderful car has been asking for a long time. And work was still underway with the union. And today, we are on the verge of hyper-speed aircraft, which is a fact.

[Bongo]

Quote: NEXUS

That's right. But, this bomber that is cunning, capable of performing fighter functions, may not be as good as the 30, but still ... and air-to-air missiles are hung on it in the same Syria.

Andrey, you shouldn't believe everything that is shown on the "zomboyaschik" It's a pity "Ancient" no, he would have confirmed ... In reality, the Su-34 is still capable of using only the R-73.

Quote: NEXUS

I agree. But let us recall how many years the development of the MIG-31. Even the MIG-31BM by 21, I suspect it will not be particularly in favor. Therefore, the replacement of this wonderful car has been asking for a long time. And work was still underway with the union. And today, we are on the verge of hyper-speed aircraft, which is a fact.

Development is of course underway, but the production base ... This is especially true of any "little things", and you need your own electronics developcreate from scratch. The fact that the Su-35С part of the avionics is assembled from the Chinese and Indian element base is a shame!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Bongo

Andrey, you shouldn't believe everything that is shown on the "zomboyaschik"

Yes, I almost do not watch it

Quote: Bongo

It's a pity "Ancient" no, he would have confirmed ... In reality, the Su-34 is only capable of using the R-73.

By the way, under what stone did this "Ancient" grumbler climb? I don't see him at all.
And the R-73, although short-range, still works for air targets. I don't think the duck needs more, because it's really not an air fighter, but above all a bomber with the makings of an attack aircraft.

Quote: Bongo

Development is of course underway, but the production base ...

I agree. But you know yourself under a lying stone ...

Quote: Bongo

This is especially true of any "little things", and your electronics must be developed, created practically from scratch. The fact that on the Su-35S part of the avionics is assembled from the Chinese and Indian element base is a shame!

Here I have nothing to parry, if not sad. As they say, a knockout. But still, I am optimistic about this, since we won’t be quick-witted to our kulibin. Let's see.
Best regards

[Bongo]

Quote: NEXUS

Yes, I almost do not watch it

Me too, only news in the morning. But when, after the Turks shot down the Su-24M and began demonstratively hanging the P-34 on the Su-27 in Syria, I frankly spat ... it is clear that it is a psychological war, but against whom? Our "partners" are well aware of the real capabilities of the Su-34, i.e. it was shown "for their own".

Quote: NEXUS

By the way, under what stone did this "Ancient" grumbler climb? I don't see him at all.

As far as I know, dangles on business trips ... mainly in repair factories.

[Falcon]

Quote: Bongo

Syria began to hang pointedly P-27 - I frankly spit ... it is clear that psychological warfare

Strange, the radar is quite decent, the P-27 would look quite adequate. I don’t understand why not

[Bongo]

Quote: Falcon

Strange, the radar is quite decent, the P-27 would look quite adequate. I don’t understand why not

Cyril, take a look at the results of the GSI on Su-34 ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: NEXUS

And what about SU-34?

I wrote about the fighters. Su-34 will be about 130 aircraft.

Quote: NEXUS

In addition, there is a question on the interceptor ... the work is being done on the PAK DP, and I think that by 21 of the year it will be accepted into the series. Well, and according to the LFI that the Mikoyanovites are also fighting on their own initiative, many questions arise.

I agree with Falcon - you are an optimist This, by the way, is good.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Odyssey

I agree with Falcon. You are an optimist. This, by the way, is good.

Why cry? We’ll work, there will be results. Of course, a good two-three bureaucrat ala Serdyukov and a red-haired nano with MMM would not be in a good place.
Best regards

[newcomer]

Nexus help me figure it out. at 31 instants of the last modification there will be a six-barrel gun (after all, it was developed exclusively for the 31x, sort of like in the 80s.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newbie

Nexus help me figure it out. at 31 instants of the last modification there will be a six-barrel gun (after all, it was developed exclusively for the 31x, sort of like in the 80s.

A cannon with a 6-barrel gun GSh-6-23M, 23 mm caliber with 260 rounds of ammunition, is located in the fairing on the right side of the fuselage.
Serial production was organized in 1972. Adopted in 1974 under the designation GSh-6-23 (9-A-620)
They will probably put GSh-6-30 (TKB-635) ... but I could be wrong

[air wolf]

Only the price tag is not humane for our country, or is it also sawing everything there?

[Knight Rider]

Quote: air wolf

Only the price tag is not humane for our country, or is it also sawing everything there?

Normal price tag. At 1,2 billion rubles per plane or $ 16 million. The Chinese are going to exorbitantly ...

[vv3]

After showing the `` Bow '' type accumulator from the downed plane, which is part of the updated REO SU-24M +, I just went out of the box ... I would like to respectfully shake hands with people like Bongo, for the fact that they put us on a `` sinful '' land. Realism in aviation is the most important thing ...

[gukoyan]

The Sukhoi Design Bureau has always leaned against this organization, they always produce only high-quality aircraft ... And if they develop a car at their own expense, then it turns out a serious masterpiece, the SU-25, which was built in secret from the big bosses, what is worth!

[prorab_ak]

Quote: Wiruz

Is it not enough?

Considering that the serial production of the Su-50 (or whatever it will be called there) is on the way - no, not enough. It’s even strange that another batch was ordered. I hoped that the 48th fighter series "for myself" will be limited to

On the way? Serial (12 pcs) ?? Without engines ??? Bueee
Ball of patriots gained momentum and threatens to fall into a protracted corkscrew