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Tricky comments. To be confident in the future ... Why does Ukraine need tomorrow's bottom?

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Understand, oh, how Ukrainian politicians understand their position. Or pose? In which they stood, and they set the country. Another year of construction "tseevropy". People again ask about some kind of "visa-free", about social policy. And now more and frost added.


Tricky comments. To be confident in the future ... Why does Ukraine need tomorrow's bottom?


Understand everything. Not only those who are now at the helm, but also those who are temporarily away from this helm. Or timely. It is, so to speak, in the background. Engaged in more information support mode. One of these "standing" is the first president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk. The man who did a lot for the collapse of the USSR and for the creation of Ukraine as an independent state. Or rather, the one who first sent Ukraine into the clutches of the enemies of Russia.

So, Leonid Kravchuk again made an attempt to give the Ukrainians a dream. Jump, however, does not offer. Probably, the age does not allow to engage in physical exercise. But Ukraine can be rebuilt in a new way.

Kravchuk talked about this in an interview with Ukrainian television. Spacious, with science-like inserts. That's exactly about the new fake in the performance of the first president today and talk.

Undoubtedly, today for Ukraine there are two questions, the solutions of which are not even proposed. And oh, how you want to decide. The territory is scattered like cockroaches from bright light. And, what is the most incomprehensible for Ukrainians, they are not running “somewhere”. Run from. It is like the duty phrase of an abandoned wife. "Gone, bastard, to the young" ... And never - "left me."

The first question is the question of Crimea. This is a question for Crimeans and Russia as a whole. No one in Russia already thinks about who owns this peninsula. Even ardent liberals understand that the ship sailed. And swam away at will. And all these Ukrainian blockades, bans, outages only reinforce the opinion about the right choice among the inhabitants of Crimea.

What does Kravchuk offer? And no more and no less than complete state autonomy of the Crimea!

“Our wisdom lies in the fact that we must propose new approaches to politics in the Donbas and new, politically restarted approaches in the Crimea. If we really want Crimea to be with Ukraine. I don’t want to say that he will return to Ukraine and was the same as it was before. This is an unrealistic task. But the policy must be restarted. "

"I am talking about state autonomy. So, as South Tyrol is a separate, in fact, a state, but it is part of Italy - and there are no questions. And there was a war for decades. Decided? Decided."

Oh, the first president bluffs. Fool includes. Not even a fool, but a fool. And to the fullest. It seems like the Constitution, which once gave the oath, and did not read at all. And what is there in this very Constitution? And there is a very simple phrase - Ukraine is a unitary state. Not federative, namely unitary. And what is Tyrol talking about then?

True, in his interview Kravchuk does not concern this side of the question. No need Svidomo mass of this to know. And to understand that everything else, without a fundamental change in the Constitution, is just words.

Stuffing for those who read or perceive only the beginning and end. Start for Svidomo good? Good! The Crimea in their heads is simply obliged to crawl to Ukraine and ask to take it back. End how? Good too Crimea will return to Ukraine. What else does? Never mind. Further "tseevropa" in full ... And prosperity. Also from a full bucket.

There is, however, one point to which even the Ukrainian media are forced to pay attention. Russia. Everyone understands that the Russians do not take seriously all this talk about the Crimea. And these are not just words, but deeds are already visible.

"I want to suggest that Russia be approached with such a proposal. Maybe not now, maybe after some time, when the situation changes."

"If the price of oil reaches 20 dollars per barrel, then it will be easier to talk to Russia."

So that's where the main thing. Kravchuk plays on the blind faith of Ukrainians, that the fall in oil prices will tear the Russian economy to shreds. Well, to see how many percent of GDP Russia receives today from the sale of oil and gas, ukropatriots will not want. What for? And it would be worth it. Then this fake will break into imperceptible droplets.

Yes, Russia today largely depends on the price of hydrocarbons. But not critical. 15% a lot, but ... in order to think about the Crimea in this aspect, is negligible.

Well, and the last statement on Crimea from Mr. Kravchuk. For a snack, so to speak.

"And Russia will understand, not because she would like to give the Crimea or give another status to the Crimea, but because she already felt that Crimea cannot live full-fledged, full-fledged life without Ukraine."

It's funny, if it were not so sad. Let me remind you the beginning of the article. Do you guys really think that subhumans live in Crimea? Do you really think that there they do not understand who is to blame for the rolling blackouts? Who is to blame for the lack of water in the canal? Who is to blame for breaking economic ties with the nearest regions? Who is to blame for the sea of ​​blood in the Donbas?

Donbass is precisely the second problem that Kravchuk proposes to solve.

Calls to destroy the separatists of Donbass by military means came across the active reluctance of the residents of Donbass themselves. Well, they do not want a concentration camp or a grave. They do not want, that's all. Yes, and ukrovoyakam who periodically receive serious kicks from former miners and other working people, also in the grave do not want.

And they gradually build their own state. It is difficult to build. Sometimes, to put it bluntly, they build on mistakes, if not more. But live. They no longer survive, but live. And no worse than in his former state. Unless, of course, do not consider the shells arriving from the Ukrainians and mines in peaceful cities and towns.

"We went ahead and decided on a strategic course - this is good. But we were not determined basically: how to end the war in the east."

"The Minsk agreements solve current issues: how to divert heavy weaponhow to make the exchange of captives, how to demine some territory - these are the current issues of the ATO. And the strategic question, how to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, how to restore its sovereignty throughout the territory - the Minsk agreements do not solve it "

Has it come down? Did Kiev really understand that such a people cannot be defeated? Are those almost 200 000 people who are now concentrated close to the line of separation, can go not to the morgue, but to their families?

Well yes. Now we are dreaming. Everything is much simpler.

"If we continue to insist that we still win in the Donbas, there will be no end to the war."

If we drop the diplomatic language, it turns out something like this. We can not win. We are not able to return the Donbass by military means. Our army is no good at all, even in confrontation with much smaller armed forces LDNR.

"If in the current situation, when there is a war, when the issue is not fundamentally resolved, when we have not determined politically and the world community has not decided on this in a broad, global sense, when we have no real guarantees - not like the Budapest Memorandum, - we have no appropriate guarantees of Russia ... We must sit down and work very seriously. "

I agree with the latest statement. Need to work. It is to work, not to kill people.

It seems to me that Kravchuk voiced what the current Ukrainian authorities have not yet talked about. Did not speak officially. But they are ready to voice this point of view at the highest level.

In general, Ukraine is already enslaved by the West. Enslaved politically. Almost introduced external management. Enslaved economically. There is no question of any revival of the economy. Today we are talking only about creating the necessary industries in Europe and the USA.

Ukraine is enslaved ideologically. The population (some of it) does not so much believe in Western happiness, but all Russian hates. And on this base, it is perfectly possible to push back the dreams of a visa-free regime. About NATO. About the EU. Everything is allowed. The main thing is to explain what did not work out because the insidious Kremlin did this and that. And the civilized world cannot do this. He is civilized.

In general, there was already a very specific opinion about Ukraine. More precisely, it becomes clear what is the difference between Russian and Ukrainian. The national fun of Ukrainians was jumping on a rake. And with persistence worthy of another use. And after every bump on your own forehead shout that it is a neighbor's rake. This neighbor slipped this rake svidomye feet. And when it turns out that the neighbor rake has long been thrown into the garbage and removes hay tractors, to pretend that he did not seem to say anything.

Kravchuk's interview might not deserve such attention if it had not become a signal. A signal that Ukrainian politicians understand where they have driven the country. Return all back is no longer possible. Connections are broken. The country is in chaos. And there is no way out. Previously, until fraternal ties were broken, one could count on Russia's help. A quarter of a century it was.

We will look after the agony. Alas, Ukraine will no longer be the state with which to deal in the coming decades. Country of sunflower. Judging by the joy of the Ukrainian correspondent who saw Ukrainian oil at 3,98 dollars per liter in one of the US supermarkets.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 13 January 2016 06: 52 New
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    Дырку вам от публика, а не Крым. "Полноценно без Украины жить не сможет..". Лишь бы дурь какую-нибудь ляпнуть.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 06: 56 New
      +9
      The belief that Crimea is held by green men ... Therefore, Kravchuk plays on this faith. Only now, everyone understands perfectly well that after all that these blockades have done, the Crimeans will not just send, but they will also smite their faces in the adult on the Ukrainian face
      1. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 13 January 2016 07: 10 New
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        Alas, Ukraine will not be the country with which it is worth dealing with in the coming decades. The country of sunflower.

        Украина никогда не была государством, никогда и не будет нормальным государством. Насильственно созданные "росчерком пера" или военной силой государства не жизнеспособны, история это только подтверждает, примеров сотни.
        Но эта "государство" у края уже надоело, давно надоело, особенно прогнозы всякие про дефолт гривны, их госдолг, да замёрзнут и т. п. и т. д. ёпрст. У нас в РФ проблем нет чтоль?
        I will say this - in Ukraine, whatever the rulers are, everything will be fine, the States and the European Union will not bend them, and the promised default will not be there. But we already had a default, everyone was a millionaire, there was a default in Belarus, and I think we will still have it when oil drops below 10 bucks. Our oligarchs will not allow their money to disappear, and the people, as always, will pay for everything. tongue
        1. bort4145
          bort4145 13 January 2016 10: 37 New
          +5
          Supplemented banderlog
          NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy is no longer an independent organization and cannot buy cheaper gas. This was announced at a press conference in Kiev by Dmitry Marunich, co-chairman of the Energy Strategies Fund. The expert is sure: soon Kiev will have to resume gas imports, as there are not enough current reserves for the winter. At the same time, Ukraine does not buy cheap gas that Russia offers.

          Марунич подчеркнул, что сейчас «Нафтогаз» не может покупать голубое топливо там, где хочет. Причина в том, что «получен кредит от ЕБРР, еще в прошлом году условно деньги поступили. Второй обещан от Международной финансовой корпорации. Совокупно порядка 500 миллионов долларов. Но есть условие: покупать газ только по реверсу. Поэтому даже если бы иной поставщик ("Газпром" или еще кто) предложил газ дешевле, то купить его будет просто невозможно или не за что».

          The expert explained the non-standard situation. Now, given the state of the economy, the decisions of the current Kiev authorities are “dictated by you know how.” Naftogaz can no longer make decisions on its own. “They will buy gas where Western lenders indicate, even if the price is higher.”
          1. alex74nur
            alex74nur 13 January 2016 16: 14 New
            +2
            But the funniest thing in this situation is that it is with ... European gas all the same !!!
      2. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 13 January 2016 07: 41 New
        +9
        I don’t understand ...

        Ukrainian politicians live in some kind of their own world.

        The economic situation in Ukraine is terrible. Relations with Russia are severed or already severed.

        In Ukraine there is no non-volatility. Prices are rising. The economy is falling and falling into the shadows.

        And politicians .... Now we will defeat Russia! We will return the Crimea! Russians are insects!

        I feel sorry for them! Sick people. Sorrowful soul.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 13 January 2016 09: 29 New
          +4
          I feel sorry for them! Sick people. Sorrowful soul.
          You could say that. If we assume that they still have a soul. But most likely - no more. It's like robbing a child. Until that moment, until you have done this, you still have hope. But if he hit the child and took from him several coins that his mother had given him to buy bread, it was as if a certain line had crossed. Already does not excite the person that other people care. He took a step into the darkness, and there is no turning back.
          Ukrainian politicians simply took a step where they didn’t return. They are completely separated from the country that they continue to call their own, and the people who, too, of this ... this ... are using it. They are not at all interested in what will happen to the country and people there. Politicians are completely focused on what will happen to them! Will it be possible to pinch off the intended piece, or rather a much larger one, and successfully escape with it? That's all the motivation. It is from this point of view that all their actions must be considered, then they immediately become consistent, logical and predictable.
          1. 97110
            97110 13 January 2016 21: 15 New
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            Quote: Mikhail3
            Ukrainian politicians

            But somehow everything is clear with them, with politicians. But the remaining 40 million? For the promise of some purple fig with butter. So here are all millions - traitors? Age makes it clear that this is possible. Just in Ukraine and it is possible. But it’s painfully dirty.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 13 January 2016 09: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          Ukrainian politicians live in some kind of their own world.


          That's for sure. Well, what a sane person can think of this (click):
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 13 January 2016 07: 12 New
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      How did it all begin ?!
    3. wax
      wax 13 January 2016 18: 38 New
      +5
      Well, if you understand that Ukraine needs to be annexed to the Crimea, then you can talk. Personnel for the leadership of Ukraine in the Crimea are already visible: President Aksyonov, Prosecutor General Poklonskaya, Ministers of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
      1. max702
        max702 14 January 2016 00: 52 New
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        Quote: Wax
        Well, if you understand that Ukraine needs to be annexed to the Crimea, then you can talk. Personnel for the leadership of Ukraine in the Crimea are already visible: President Aksyonov, Prosecutor General Poklonskaya, Ministers of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...

        What? Feed again? Well nafig! Hunger and cold and beat in the face more often .. Everything is in accordance with the precepts of their idols of Europeans, that's why the Ukrainians worship the west in their servile love, if it beats it means love! So to tear three skins with a tarpaulin boot in tender places, then when they become white people .. And no other way .. they've been 70 years of feeding, but only raised a brazen pig .. No, that's enough!
    4. max702
      max702 14 January 2016 00: 46 New
      0
      To blame for all troubles ...
  2. udachin
    udachin 13 January 2016 06: 55 New
    +8
    Sadly of course that's all. And sorry for the people.
    Quickly, this madhouse would end only. And, God forbid, with the least sacrifice.
    Today, by the way, is the New Year in the old and, it seems to me, more correct style. Holiday greetings!!!
    All good.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 06: 59 New
      +2
      repeat Сколько по времени мы вставали с коленок то...Лет десять,не меньше. Это при том,что Россия монстр,которого тяжело повалить...отсюда вопрос-сколько будет вставать разрушенная Украина? С учетом нашей"любви к братскому народу"7
      And the process has begun. No wonder that Gryzlov, by personal invitation, Poroshenko flew to Kiev
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 13 January 2016 07: 11 New
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        Kravchuk on take-off:
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 January 2016 07: 35 New
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          Quote: ImPerts
          Kravchuk on take-off:

          Да-да. Было такое,"мы будем второй Францией". И тут же "пан" прикупил себе "хатынку" в Швейцарии. Кравчук - хитрый лис, а все его заявления - сигнал, что пора чемоданы паковать и на вылет. на вылет. А то вдруг еще какой российский самолет прилетит без разрешения Рады.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2016 07: 08 New
    +7
    that Crimea without Ukraine cannot live fully, fully

    Here it is issued on the mountain. It seems that he was already the president, has life experience, and argues as a jumping young man with one gyrus in his head. The land of Ukraine is withered by thinking people.
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    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 January 2016 07: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: press attache
      And how interesting are they (the outskirts) used to live with Crimea?

      They grabbed to themselves all the sanatoriums that had once served children and, in particular, miners, built houses for themselves. And it seemed like he was cutting then all over the former USSR, and therefore they put up with it. Moreover, the Tatars who arrived had to understand. But when svidomye began to appear dumber and tough Ukrainization began, then Crimea was bubbling up.
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 13 January 2016 07: 19 New
    +7
    Let the Chinese put a new peninsula near Odessa or wash it, and you will have your own Crimea!
    1. bort4145
      bort4145 13 January 2016 10: 42 New
      +3
      А зачем им китайцы в этом деле, ведь "великие ук-ры" черное море выкопали, уж полуостров то новый отсыпать при таком размахе "как не фиг делать" wink
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 13 January 2016 07: 19 New
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    Ukraine is enslaved ideologically. The population (some of it) does not so much believe in Western happiness as it hates everything Russian.

    But this is sadness. I felt the other day, in my own skin, and from two friends who were not familiar with each other. And with such frenzy they are trying to prove something, and that Putin is not like that, and that they have become better off. (The sad thing is that they also connected a child who is 10 years old) Well, some kind of scribe. As in a crazy house visited.
    PS
    What I found on them did not understand. But one after the race left, then tried to return to friends, but with such friends and enemies it is not necessary.
    In general, the situation is stably difficult, the patient is rather dead.
    Here it’s time to connect resuscitators.
    1. 97110
      97110 13 January 2016 21: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Sirocco
      Here it’s time to connect resuscitators.

      Wanted to say - pathologists?
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 14 January 2016 01: 41 New
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      Quote: Sirocco
      Here it’s time to connect resuscitators.

      Maybe not?
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 13 January 2016 07: 35 New
    +8
    The country of sunflower. Judging by the joy of the Ukrainian correspondent, who saw Ukrainian oil at 3,98 dollars per liter in one of the US supermarkets....Ага, есть "банановые" республики, а это "подсолнечная" будет...
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 13 January 2016 07: 45 New
    +5
    From the report of the director of the Ukrainian National Scientific Center “Institute of Agricultural Economics” Yuriy Lupenko.
    The expert notes that there was a drop in the profitability of agricultural production in almost all areas. For some positions, the indicators dipped not even by tens of percent, but at times, or even by an order of magnitude. Worst of all, the crisis hit milk and meat production. At the same time, the cost of agricultural production increased by 51.6%.
    If the profitability of grain production back in 2014 year reached 25.7%, then already in 2015 year it decreased to 17.8%.

    Profitability of soybean production fell three times and barely reaches 10 / 0%. Open-field vegetable growing is only 9% profitable. Sugar beet - 1.2% against 17.9% in 2014 year.

    It will be completely unprofitable to grow oats (-1.2%), berries (-4.1%), hops (-12.7%), which always helped out potatoes (-14.5%), sorghum (-20.1%).

    You don’t need to go to the grandmother, to understand that unprofitable hops will lead beer production into the abyss, and unprofitable potatoes threaten something worse than a shortage of beer or malnutrition of berries.

    The profitability level in Ukrainian livestock farming fell 1.5 times and reached 9%. Unprofitable own production of pork (-8.3%) and milk (-4.5%). For comparison, in 2014, 5.6% and 11.0%, respectively.

    The only position that not only maintained profitability, but also shows growth is egg production. From 58.8% to 75.5%. Ryaba’s hen definitely proved to be resistant to Poroshenko’s "reform" activity with Yatsenyuk, for which he deserves an equestrian statue in bronze.
  9. AID.S
    AID.S 13 January 2016 07: 57 New
    +4
    And where to go ... from the crotch ..
    Territories ... Square ..
  10. podgornovea
    podgornovea 13 January 2016 08: 06 New
    +4
    После того как Крыму "голодомор" пытались устроить, без воды оставить, электричество отключали, всё делают чтобы люди поняли какая Украина хорошая!
    Шлифануть такой банкет только осталось - "Градами" пройтись, да вот зрада, Россия потом вместо Украины второе Чёрное море выкопает.
    Better to pray that Crimea does not return!
    После всего крымчане их "любить" не так как они надеются будут, а совсем в другой позе!
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 08: 19 New
      +7
      Yes, they all understand ... There is only one thing ... But as in any border region, human communications are strong enough. Brothers, sisters, godmothers, matchmakers, and others. No one perceives Ukraine as a country there .. People just live and that's it. Some mother Kiev, others Simferopol periodically. Everything is exactly the same as in Russia. We are also to blame for everything in Moscow. And not the Russian government or the president, but the whole of Moscow ... laughing
  11. Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 January 2016 08: 15 New
    +1
    Country of the crotch? Very accurate!
  12. Flat5160
    Flat5160 13 January 2016 08: 25 New
    +5
    Is something Kravchuk talking? Soon 25 years of Conspiracy in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. He was one of the ideologists of the collapse of the USSR, and now acts as the unifier of Ukraine. The question is - what else is there to steal in Ukraine, otherwise why would he need all this gimmick? He stood at the origins of the current situation in Ukraine, and he was not to tell what to do.
  13. fider
    fider 13 January 2016 08: 43 New
    -19
    http://www.svoboda.mobi/a/27477140.html
    I advise everyone to read this article to the end, and then to draw conclusions. I don’t know what is true here and what isn’t, but if at least half is already worth thinking about, time will tell.
    1. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 13 January 2016 10: 23 New
      +8
      советую Вам не читать сайт радио "свобода", ибо заразиться свидомизмом головного мозга там очень легко. а по поводу импортозамещения и замещения украинских комплектующих погуглите и воздастся Вам, да тяжело и трудно, но не смертельно. И, да, минус Вам.
      1. fider
        fider 13 January 2016 16: 54 New
        -3
        Evgen_Vasilich,
        set cons, not carry bags.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 January 2016 16: 00 New
      +1
      Go to the censor, there you will find like-minded people.
  14. atos_kin
    atos_kin 13 January 2016 09: 01 New
    +1
    В статье все правильно говорится, но критических замечаний не хватает и в адрес внешней политики РФ. Все правители незалежной существовали под молчаливое "партнёрство" со стороны России. Оказывается, как провозглашает статья, "работать надо", но надо работать не только на Украине.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 10: 30 New
      +2
      belay "партнерство" России было .А почему? да ровно потому же,что и наше восприятие. Братский народ,украинцы это тоже русские и прочее.Для того,чтобы понять ,что мы разные потребовалась кровь...Той,что была пролита бандеровцами в ВОВ оказалось мало
  15. Lelek
    Lelek 13 January 2016 09: 07 New
    +5
    (Kravchuk’s interview, perhaps, would not have deserved such attention if it had not become a signal. A signal that Ukrainian politicians understand where they drove the country. It’s impossible to return everything back. Connections are broken. The country is in chaos. And there is no way out. Before until fraternal ties were broken, one could count on the help of Russia. A quarter century it was.)

    Так и напрашивается песенка: "...ах, мой милый Августин, Августин, Августин. Ах, мой милый Августин, вё прошло, прошло..."
    They (Svidomo politicians) may understand, but they are greedy and not independent. They will do what they are told to by Sir Biden & Co., who do not need a strong and stable Ukraine, but need a bridgehead for NATO and an ABSOLUTELY obedient Ukrainian establishment .
  16. morpogr
    morpogr 13 January 2016 09: 26 New
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    What diligent students of the State Department so to lower the country for a short period, you need to try.
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2016 09: 34 New
    +1
    I have the impression that we are competing with Ukraine. Who will fall below and hit harder. Until I realized who won whom in this race. Maybe enough about the hard life in Ukraine. Let's take care of our country.
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    2. creak
      creak 13 January 2016 10: 36 New
      +2
      Maybe enough about the hard life in Ukraine. Let’s take care of our country. [/ Quote]

      What does it mean to take care of our country and our own citizens?
      А кто поможет замерзающим "простым людям" в Геническе?
      In this regard, it would be interesting to know in which region of the Russian Federation gas is also supplied free of charge, based on humanitarian reasons? Are we really in need already left ...
      It seems that this is far from the case, for example, the Public Chamber appealed to ban gas cut-off by debtors in frosty weather in order to avoid such tragedies as in Tatarstan. There, for debts of the family, the gas was turned off and six people were killed in a fire ...
      It seems that humanism is not enough for us at all freezing ....
  18. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 13 January 2016 09: 41 New
    +1
    Crimea will return to Ukraine.

    Will come back, come back ... With a song. We go to Odessa, we go to Kherson.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 10: 32 New
      +4
      laughing EEEEEE ... Be careful with the songs. The Ukrainian steppes are strange ... I also remember the sailor Zheleznyak ... I went to Odessa and went to Kherson ... Anomalous zone there laughing
  19. vartutr
    vartutr 13 January 2016 09: 49 New
    -32
    Крым в их головах просто обязан приползти на Украину и просить забрать его обратно. Конец как? Тоже хорош. Крым вернется на Украину. Что ещё надо? Да ничего. Дальше "цэевропа" по полной... И процветание. Тоже из полного ведра.
    Nonsense. So can think. Crimea will not creep anywhere, as it is an occupied territory. De facto and de jure. What happens to the occupied territories? That's right, they are freed, sooner or later. Do you think this will not happen? Naive ...))) The United States will not calm down until Crimea is de-occupied. You were clicked on the slons, and you surrender the Donbass. It will be the same with Crimea. The United States will introduce new sanctions until you are faced with a choice: the collapse of the so-called state or withdrawal from the Crimea. By the way, Hitler also probably thought that he had come to Crimea forever. Has this changed anything? No.

    If we drop the diplomatic language, it turns out something like this. We can not win. We are not able to return the Donbass by military means. Our army is no good at all, even in confrontation with much smaller armed forces LDNR.
    And we will not try to defeat by military means. Why should we in vain send patriots to slaughter? We are waiting. Time works for us. Sanctions against you work, and work very efficiently. You yourself will bring us the Donbass on a silver platter with a blue border. Where are you going? Is it in vain that Gryzlov came to bow to us? Donbass you surrendered, finally and irrevocably. Passed on our terms. All your sacrifices are in vain, the attempts were pointless.
    1. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 13 January 2016 10: 30 New
      +7
      and you try with the whole hamuse - come and take it, weakly?
      about Hitler - dill also thought that they had come to Crimea forever, right?
    2. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 10: 38 New
      +9
      laughing
      Quote: vartutr
      US will not calm down until Crimea is de-occupied

      Наивность не пропьешь...Или свидомость...США уже успокоились. Главная задача как раз была выжать Россию из Крыма. Но обламались. В остальном второстепенные задачи уже выполнены. Украина "вмерла" по самое не могу.
      Quote: vartutr
      Sanctions work against you, and work very efficiently

      laughing Вы можете назвать страну против которой санкции не работают?Из тех,кто эти санкции объявил.То,что с санкциями малость обгадились понимают уже все. Потому и на Украину "положили с прибором" ведущие страны. Ваш удел сегодня судьба прибалтов. Только вот свободы передвижения и работы в ЕС вам не дадут. За свидомость и бандеровский патриотизм придется отвечать...не перед агрессором,а перед теми,кто вроде как друг товарищ и прочее.
    3. bort4145
      bort4145 13 January 2016 10: 48 New
      +2
      In my opinion, this is how Ukraine is now an occupied territory. Banderlogs, unbridled by their own impunity, fighting the memory of the people — that is present Ukraine.
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 13 January 2016 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: vartutr
      Is it in vain that Gryzlov came to bow to us?

      На поклон?По приглашению?Прям так и вижу письмо от Потрошенки к Грызлову,а там чёрным по белому:"НЕ будет ли так любезен господин Грызлов прибыть на поклон к презу Украины Потрошенко?Ну пожааалуйста,а?" laughing
    5. kolobok63
      kolobok63 13 January 2016 13: 42 New
      0
      Poor boy, the media out there so powdered him the place where the brains should be ... Wake up dear! There’s no more krajina! Crimea, by the way, too! hi
    6. Foresterer
      Foresterer 13 January 2016 14: 21 New
      +1
      The US authorities, unlike you, perfectly understand who owns the Crimea and will belong. Anyway, they would have found a reason for sanctions. And in order for Russia to fight Crimea for you ... Go to bed, in dreams, you will see something else.
    7. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 January 2016 17: 33 New
      0
      Quote: vartutr
      You were clicked on a slons, and you surrender Donbass

      Truth? And what was handed over there?
      Quote: vartutr
      US won't calm down

      And how are you? Oh yes, you are an independent, strongest country in Europe.
      Quote: vartutr
      We are waiting. Time works for us.

      Yeah. In a few years, all production whose products were purchased from you will be deployed on the territory of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: vartutr
      Is it in vain that Gryzlov came to bow to us?

      To bow? And bowed deeply?
    8. Victor-M
      Victor-M 14 January 2016 01: 47 New
      0
      Quote: vartutr
      And we will not try to defeat by military means. Why should we in vain send patriots to slaughter? We are waiting. Time works for us.

      Which side?
    9. Weyland
      Weyland 14 January 2016 02: 15 New
      0
      Quote: vartutr
      By the way, Hitler also probably thought that he had come to Crimea forever


      By the way, Kravchuk also probably thought that he had come to Crimea forever laughing
  20. Scud
    Scud 13 January 2016 09: 50 New
    +8
    The ugliest thing on Earth can be seen in Usrain. Almost all the media (smithnyk) all the journalists, reporters, announcers who sang odes to Yanukovych yesterday praise the Bendero-fascist junta. Yes, and half of the population, and many of the people who grew up during the Union these scum and scold Russia. In every bad thing, there is something good — the collapse of dill is inevitable.
    1. vartutr
      vartutr 13 January 2016 09: 57 New
      -24
      It was the 13th day of the default of Ukraine ... The hryvnia strengthened by 75 kopecks, the tree fell by 10% ... laughing laughing laughing
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 13 January 2016 10: 35 New
        +6
        You are vainly scoffing, it’s hot in our apartments, there is something to eat and what to buy for. the main income of our state is not loans and no one dunkes our army into the toilet, especially former taxi drivers and auto mechanics wink
        1. bort4145
          bort4145 13 January 2016 10: 51 New
          +1
          Naive, the dollar is not the God of economics laughing
      2. domokl
        domokl 13 January 2016 10: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: vartutr
        It was the 13 day of default of Ukraine.

        And the turn of those who want to give their money to Ukraine has only grown ... Even the factories do not want to buy laughing
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 13 January 2016 13: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: vartutr
        Hryvnia strengthened by 75 kopecks,

        ... in relation to the tugrik ... laughing
      4. Victor-M
        Victor-M 14 January 2016 01: 50 New
        0
        Quote: vartutr
        .Hryvnia strengthened by 75 kopecks,

        Bon appetit! laughing
  21. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 13 January 2016 10: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: vartutr
    [B]

    [b] If we discard the diplomatic language, it turns out something like this. We cannot win. We are not able to return the Donbass by military means. Our army is no good, even in a confrontation with significantly smaller forces of the LDNR. [/ B]
    You yourself will bring us the Donbass on a silver platter with a blue border. Where are you going? Is it in vain that Gryzlov came to bow to us? Donbass you surrendered, finally and irrevocably. Passed on our terms. All your sacrifices are in vain, the attempts were pointless.


    I didn’t understand anything about Gryzlov, Prosh did call him himself or not, your media have been shouting about this for 3 days now as hell, you’re a whistler along the way.
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 13 January 2016 10: 31 New
      +2
      Да не обращайте Вы на него внимания. Обычный тролль. что ему еще остается делать-то? Это же у нас тут все плохо, стреляют, экономика в клочьях лежит, а у них уже "цеэуропа" по полной программе. Вот только что-то с визами их уже в открытую обламали, прямым текстом сказали что в ЕС не примут и прочие зрадоперемоги.
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    3. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 10: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Kar Karych
      you are on the way old man whistler.

      It’s just that a person can’t even admit to himself that any change in the execution of the current government is quickly becoming fellow
      1. Stena
        Stena 13 January 2016 11: 28 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        It’s just that a person can’t even admit to himself that any change in the execution of the current government is quickly becoming

        Dear Domocles! I do not understand anything from this scribble! Could you write Russian people in Russian? ... =)
  22. vartutr
    vartutr 13 January 2016 10: 16 New
    -12
    Quote: Kar Karych
    I didn’t understand anything about Gryzlov, Prosh did call him himself or not, your media have been shouting about this for 3 days now as hell, you’re a whistler along the way.


    Prosha called, and Gryzlov quickly jumped into the airplane and rushed to Ukraine. Rave.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 January 2016 10: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: vartutr
      Brad.

      Is it weak to read the Ukrainian media? Karych is right ... Belarus, she’s right next to her. And your TV there shows on time laughing
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 13 January 2016 13: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: vartutr
      Brad.

      Бред-нормальное состояние свидомого укра и расового галичанина.Для прочих адекватных людей во всём мире это факт.Перефразируя известную поговорку,имеем:"Что русскому(украинцу,белорусу,да и вообще любому адекватному человеку)факт,галицаю-бред." good
  23. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 13 January 2016 10: 24 New
    +3
    [quote=vartutr][quote=Кар Карыч]
    Prosha called, and Gryzlov quickly jumped into the airplane and rushed to Ukraine. Brad. [/ Quote]

    No hike, you don’t watch your news channels, but what about this statement of Poroshenko after the departure of Gryzlov.
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko during an annual meeting with foreign ambassadors said that his country would faithfully implement the Minsk agreements to resolve the situation in the Donbass.

    This was reported on the official website of Poroshenko.

    “Ukraine will continue the conscientious implementation of the Minsk agreements. We do this despite the fact that the other side continues to violate its obligations. We believe that there is no alternative to a political solution. Nevertheless, it is necessary to apply effective international instruments to maintain the diplomatic path, ”he said.
    1. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 13 January 2016 10: 38 New
      +4
      мало того, "другой стороной" он называет Россию, а Россия подписантом этих соглашений не является и о ней в этих соглашениях ни чего не сказано, от такая петрушка получается... о как не однозначно я щас про "петрушку" сказанул. lol
  24. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 13 January 2016 10: 47 New
    +4
    It’s just that if you look at the Ukrainian media, you get the impression of a fool, the start of any news program, the official invitation of Gryzlov is later made by Ukrainian political scientists and others like him, and they prove that Gryzlov came to bow to Putin’s fright, only nobody can explain the fright, they’re completely nonsense.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2016 11: 19 New
    +3
    And our population is so insolent that it is trying to undermine the foundations of the state’s economy.
    Ulyukaev considers the main risk for the economy to change the model of population behavior
    .."Существенным риском ближайшего времени для российской экономики может стать изменение потребительского поведения населения - сдвиг от потребительской модели к модели сберегательной". Это на Гайдаровском форуме заявил министр экономического развития Алексей Улюкаев."http://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/news/2016/01/13/623814-ulyukaev-
    riskom-ekonomiki
  26. a housewife
    a housewife 13 January 2016 11: 23 New
    +4
    vartutr How good that you appeared !!! Do you want to be a scapegoat? Then they will arrange it for you at once. And rightly so !!! You will be responsible for all the galloping. And do not shake off, do not hope. Here the people are smart. About Gryzlov. You say, came, then, to bow? That is, everyone who comes to you - to bow? Compose lists, who of you striped always bows there? Also treats cookies? Yes, you have megalomania. Heal! fool
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2016 12: 17 New
    +1
    "После того, как мы ввели налог на воздух, вы стали меньше дышать! Это возмутительно!!! Молчать!!! ".http://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/news/2016/01/13/623814-ulyukaev-
    riskom-ekonomiki
  28. Private27
    Private27 13 January 2016 12: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: vartutr
    It was the 13th day of the default of Ukraine ... The hryvnia strengthened by 75 kopecks, the tree fell by 10% ... laughing laughing laughing

    Poor thing, you urgently need to see a doctor. belayChange the admin flag, but somehow it doesn’t work out well.
  29. 4ekist
    4ekist 13 January 2016 15: 45 New
    0
    "И Россия поймет не потому, что она хотела бы отдать Крым или предоставить другой статус Крыму, а потому что она ощутила уже, что Крым без Украины полнокровно, полноценно жить не может"(пан Кравчук)
    There has not yet been a restructuring in the brain of Mr. Kravchuk, there is no pluralism of opinions on this subject in Ukraine, but nothing will mature with time.
  30. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2016 16: 28 New
    0
    Наши соседи продолжают поражать всех своими фантазиями. "..Украина запустит экспериментальный поезд для отработки маршрута экспорта украинских товаров в обход территории России, заявил премьер-министр страны Арсений Яценюк на заседании правительства. Об этом сообщает ТАСС.
    Глава кабинета министров уточнил, что первый поезд отправится в пятницу, 15 января, из Ильичевска — города в Одесской области. Маршрут будет пролегать через два моря — Черное и Каспийское, информировало Мининфраструктуры Украины. Вагоны будут перевозиться на паромных переправах."..http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/13/train/
  31. aprohor
    aprohor 13 January 2016 16: 39 New
    0
    Порадовал последний абзац: "Будем смотреть за агонией...".
  32. dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 13 January 2016 17: 55 New
    0
    Даже "КЕША" все понял
  33. nnz226
    nnz226 13 January 2016 18: 03 New
    +3
    Историческая справка про этих цирковых уро...дов: Кравчука и Ельцина (аллллкаша)При подписании Беловежских соглашений о развале СССР УкропризИдент спросил у алллкаша про судьбу Крыма и сам в одном интервью признался, что готовы были укропы вернуть Крым России за признание последней ихней незалежности. Но алллкашу надо было побыстрей выпить, он этот вопрос спустил на тормозах, "презентовав) в стиле лысого кукурузника Крым укропам. А теперь перший укрпризИдент мечтает о возвращении Крыма - майДАУН!!!
  34. olgen58
    olgen58 13 January 2016 21: 41 New
    +1
    Praise and slander were received indifferently and do not dispute the fool
  35. gergi
    gergi 13 January 2016 22: 10 New
    0
    Cadres decide everything! This whole gop company that pro.bala the USSR was grown by the CPSU! LENIN GUARD! Bastards, enemies of the people.
  36. Orionvit
    Orionvit 13 January 2016 22: 14 New
    0
    Quote: sergeybulkin
    Alas, Ukraine will not be the country with which it is worth dealing with in the coming decades. The country of sunflower.

    Украина никогда не была государством, никогда и не будет нормальным государством. Насильственно созданные "росчерком пера" или военной силой государства не жизнеспособны, история это только подтверждает, примеров сотни.
    Но эта "государство" у края уже надоело, давно надоело, особенно прогнозы всякие про дефолт гривны, их госдолг, да замёрзнут и т. п. и т. д. ёпрст. У нас в РФ проблем нет чтоль?
    I will say this - in Ukraine, whatever the rulers are, everything will be fine, the States and the European Union will not bend them, and the promised default will not be there. But we already had a default, everyone was a millionaire, there was a default in Belarus, and I think we will still have it when oil drops below 10 bucks. Our oligarchs will not allow their money to disappear, and the people, as always, will pay for everything. tongue

    Милости просим грамотный аналитик из России на украину, поживи здесь, поработай, пооботрись, посмотри местное телевидение, послужи в ато. А ещё лучше помалкивай, о том как на украине "всё будет нормально". Подожди, а может и ты на майдане прыгал? Чтобы штаты и евросоюз "загнутся не дадут". Бред не неси. Россия худо-бедно выстоит, а украине давно пи.з.д.ц. Да, судя по разговорам о нефти по 10 баксов, про олигархов, про народ который за всё заплатит, о "правителях", то ты сначала школу закончи. Свои проблемы в России сами знают, и думаю решат их с умом.
  37. gray_angel
    gray_angel 13 January 2016 23: 33 New
    0
    Quote: vartutr
    Is it in vain that Gryzlov came to bow to us?

    Gryzlov flew in the manner of McCain - pi ... s to insert Parashek
  38. Balagan
    Balagan 14 January 2016 01: 45 New
    0
    Ukrainians are boating with Crimea. And that our ideological front-line soldiers are silent? Well, some kind of public organization would establish the posts of governors of the Russian regions: Kharkov, Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, and Little Russia can be pushed here. I’d also appoint mayors. Where it would be more fun. hi
  39. Balagan
    Balagan 14 January 2016 01: 49 New
    0
    "And Russia will understand, not because she would like to give the Crimea or give another status to the Crimea, but because she already felt that Crimea cannot live full-fledged, full-fledged life without Ukraine."
    Well, yes, with the same success it can be said that New Russia and Little Russia cannot fully live in Ukraine!