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Why it becomes difficult to think about the future of Donbass

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Holidays are over. There is only one, purely Russian, that cannot be translated into other languages. Old New Year ... People celebrated. But not all. Some waited for the decision of their fate.


Last year we published an article that did not want to write about the Donbass. Not because everything that is going on there is little reminiscent of the construction of the people's republics. Not even because the local media show more the idleness of this whole war than the real state of affairs. Even on “VO” materials from Donetsk often look like a permanent celebration of life.

I didn’t want to write because many of the actions of the leaders of the republics resemble the actions of bandits. And sometimes, may the readers forgive us, traitors of all that, for which so many lives are laid.

Already accustomed to picks Donbass and Kiev about violations of the regime of silence. Daily "concerns" and "deep regrets." Only here are the results for some reason in one direction. On sly, Ukrainian punishers occupy one locality after another. And the politicians of the whole world "express" everything.

But not only politicians are concerned.



The video that everyone saw is quite indicative in this regard. To say that this is the machinations of Ukrainian propaganda, it is impossible. People are sitting now. They sit simply for allowing themselves to speak out against the authorities. People's power allegedly.

It so happened that many people associated with the Donbas at different times, get in touch with us. We met with some directly. Some have already been buried. For some reason, the damned RDG of the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed exactly those who were the most independent and charismatic.

And here is another murder. A very respected person - Lieutenant Colonel Kononov.

After all the assassinations, there must have been a statement by the authorities that the enemy would be found and punished. At the funeral, representatives of the authorities, chattering with medals and orders, vowed revenge. Some even looked like a mean male tear.

But name us at least one crime that would be solved. No one! No questions arise? And we have. Why? Who benefits from writing off everything on the APU? Maybe the answer is in the video?

Now, when war weariness has accumulated at all, one can increasingly hear a simple question - why? Why were there such sacrifices if the construction of the people's republics of Donbass is no different from the construction of the Kiev junta? And there, and there are more declarations than real action.

At the very beginning of the war, we firmly believed that all the fuss began due to the infringement of the rights of Russian-speaking Ukrainians. We diligently hammered into the head that the main problem is in sight. Russian language and Russian part of the Ukrainians. Therefore, many often asked why half of the fighters speak Russian in the punitive battalions? Why do Russians go against Russians? Where did the Svidomo Donbass Battalion Commander Semen Semenchenko come from? And where did the native of Sevastopol Konstantin Grishin go?

In fact, the problem was and remains. And it is not in the Russian or Ukrainian. It is in the money. In dollars, rubles, hryvnia. The executors of people's fate from the windows of their own limousines decide what and who to give. Or that and from whom take away accordingly.

People wanted to live as it works. The more it works, the better it lives. But this was not and is not included in the plans of those limousines. People wanted to live in their own house as they had lived before. The people wanted power for the people. People's power ...

The best people of Donbass fell for it. For this, volunteers from Russia and other countries went to war. For this, the old men agree to endure shelling and die on the streets from shells and mines.

But what has been achieved today? What is really done to make the republics of the people? Chose a new "head"? Renamed the police to the police and gave her a proud name - the people? Doded up and created a defense system? What for?

Why not carried out the nationalization of Ukrainian enterprises? Maybe because Ukraine supports the residents of Donbass financially? Maybe the pension pays? Or wages to workers? What has Ukraine done to treat Ukrainian property so scrupulously?

Simply need to be. Simpler. And then everything falls into place. Who is the girl "dancing"? That's right, the one who "dines" her. To paraphrase this banality, it is easier to say. The power of LDNR does not want to build anything. And the “people's republic” performed by this government is nothing but a simple redistribution of property. It was necessary to take away from someone in order for someone else to appear.

And then there are answers to many questions. Those that we mentioned at the beginning of the article. Why are the most combat-ready units and divisions of the republics beheaded? Why "Ukrainian DRG" clearly know the secret routes of movement of specific commanders. Why do these commanders most often disagree with Donetsk and Lugansk? Why can not solve a single crime.

And at the same time it becomes clear a large number of arrested volunteers. It becomes clear why people who are close to specific distribution schemes are arrested. It becomes clear why the actual coup took place last September. Why do commanders continue to die "suddenly at the hands of the DRG of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", why some divisions have problems.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 11 January 2016 07: 06
    13
    Give us at least one crime that would be solved. No one. No questions arise? And we have. Why? Who benefits from writing everything off to the APU?


    It is necessary to shake everything. I emphasize the entire political leadership of the DPR and LPR ...
    what kind of games did they start there?
    The deaths of famous commanders more and more lead me to the idea of ​​elementary betrayal by the leadership.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 11 January 2016 08: 08
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It is necessary to shake everything. I emphasize the entire political leadership of the DPR and LPR ...

      Wow, my friend, this is your swing, be careful :-)
      1. Awega
        Awega 11 January 2016 11: 56
        10
        Swing is normal. And the death of charismatic commanders on the territory of the LDNR is very difficult to explain by the actions of the Ukrainian drg. I am sure that we are talking about a direct betrayal of the authorities of the LDNR.
        1. nils
          nils 11 January 2016 19: 58
          +2
          Quote: Awega
          it is a direct betrayal of the authorities of the ldnr.


          Isn't this Putin’s cunning plan?
          Help Bendera financially, strangle "Russian Spring" in the bud by removing charismatic leaders.
          The oligarchs in Russia and Kolomoisky standing up applauding.
          Surkov, Nabiullina, Gref, Dvorkovich and other kagal rascians discuss prospects, clinking glasses with their western partners.
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 11 January 2016 08: 22
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It’s necessary to shake everything. I emphasize the whole political leadership of the DPR and LPR

      Is this advice to those who are now sitting in the basements or a plan of your actions?
    3. Hon
      Hon 11 January 2016 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It is necessary to shake everything. I emphasize the entire political leadership of the DPR and LPR ...
      what kind of games did they start there?
      The deaths of famous commanders more and more lead me to the idea of ​​elementary betrayal by the leadership.

      Here they are and clean all the shakers. waste material, no longer needed, began to interfere
    4. kaluganew
      kaluganew 11 January 2016 23: 18
      +1
      And I personally mean that those who do not want a political solution to the issue are simply removed. Some left, the principal remained, and now they are being cleared.

      I will not be surprised that a number of such actions were made by our special services or with their participation. At the top (Norman format) they decided to be friends, and they are actively helping.

      We don’t know much, and it’s not worth looking at public dances with a tambourine. Gunpowder can spit in words at least in our direction, but when he receives an order from the USA, how nice he will jump and do what is needed. One thing is clear that Europe already wants to close the topic of Donbass, to us too. The United States is still breaking, but Black is no longer in business; he is a demobil. I think there will be no war, there will be another year of different delirium, and then it will come to naught. At the same time, pravoseki and other riffraff will subside, and the mighty chocolate king will be able to complete his homework.
  2. Electrical
    Electrical 11 January 2016 07: 07
    +1
    article "Dialogue", article "Summary" will appear soon
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 January 2016 07: 10
    +3
    "But what has been achieved so far? What has been really done to make the republics popular?" - and TO WHOM is this key question ?!
  4. chikenous59
    chikenous59 11 January 2016 07: 17
    +5
    Why be surprised? Don't those who are in power in the Donbass want to enrich themselves and strengthen their power? Everything is covered by a beautiful screen of the struggle for independence and the author correctly says that it is very easy to write everything off to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Politicians have never been pure people. In politics, they are all with one goal - to get rich and manage people.
  5. avva2012
    avva2012 11 January 2016 07: 51
    10
    It’s very sad to look at it. It became like the first Chechen one. Where the spirits could kill our specialists, because they knew for sure their route. Where it was sold and bought, everything that is possible. It becomes scary from a sense of hopelessness. Indeed, the sea is reflected in a drop. Not really, in our country, everything is so ..
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  7. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 11 January 2016 08: 10
    +5
    A similar article had to be written a long time ago. I completely agree with her.
  8. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 11 January 2016 08: 13
    +8
    Not because everything that happens there does not resemble the construction of the people's republics.
    That doesn’t come to the end, why will capitalist Russia help build the PEOPLES?
    1. creak
      creak 11 January 2016 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      That doesn’t come to the end, why will capitalist Russia help build the PEOPLES?


      It seems that there are as many PEOPLES in them as there are PEOPLE-DEMOCRATIC in the DPRK ...
      In this regard, another uncomfortable question stinks - what actually happens to the so-called. humanitarian aid that the Russian Federation continues to drive to the Donbass? Who controls that it really gets to those in need, and not to all kinds of businessmen?
      In fact, in some regions we have such a situation that it is just right to send convoys with humanitarian aid there ....
      There was as yet no clarity on this issue, and the media on this subject got a lot of water - it seems that the topic is really uncomfortable ...
  9. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 11 January 2016 08: 18
    13
    The topic is heavy and uncomfortable, so there are so few comments.

    It became clear to me until one thing - potatoes will not grow from a cactus. Our power cannot produce anything worthwhile. This is understandable in the unrecognized republics of the Caucasus. The same story repeated in the Donbass.
    1. 15ghost10
      15ghost10 11 January 2016 10: 42
      11
      I agree with you 100%. In fact, this is an ordinary betrayal. you can put 10000000 cons, it's just a shame what is happening in LDN. In Moscow, one thing is stated, in the case there is an ordinary discharge.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 January 2016 14: 59
      +5
      To revive you need to use ideology.

      Leaders, carriers, the original source of moral values ​​are being killed.

      That's the whole story.
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 11 January 2016 23: 09
      +4
      the leadership of the republics, the shadow cast from Russia, therefore, to discuss Donetsk means to discuss Moscow:) - because probably there are few comments
      1. Shpagolom
        Shpagolom 12 January 2016 16: 59
        +1
        ..... I think they comment a little because they are afraid of cons. theme "plum" it is not comme il faut for "VO" and "uryakolok"! No.
  10. forester
    forester 11 January 2016 08: 26
    +5
    The circumstances of the destruction of the "Batman" assassination attempts and the subsequent murder of Mozgovoy have long prompted the idea that everything is not there as they say in the media. And the more than strange (then) resignation of Strelkov no longer looks strange or did not want to mess with it or said - "Go ahead and shut up"
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 11 January 2016 09: 22
      11
      Quote: forester
      The circumstances of the destruction of the "Batman" assassination attempts and the subsequent murder of Mozgovoy have long prompted the idea that everything is not there as they say in the media. And the more than strange (then) resignation of Strelkov no longer looks strange or did not want to mess with it or said - "Go ahead and shut up"

      Yes, it really began to reach the respected members of the forum "what's what"? Yes, no one needed New Russia, no one in the Kremlin! Donets and Lugansk were waiting for the fate of Kharkov, and then some Strelkov appeared and confused all the "cards" with his "lack of understanding of the political situation." While He was there in Slavyansk held the defense and waited for "polite people", it was impossible to kick him "without pale", but He left Slavyansk and "water rushed through the pipes." Kurginyan acted as the instigator, and then articles with a "smell" were sent and now Strelkov is already smeared with guano by all and sundry. What about others? Yes, very simple - "fell at the hands of the punitive forces of the DRG APU." And "a suitcase without a handle" - Novorossiya, in a quiet way, began to prepare in the trash. Information processing has already started: http://topwar.ru/87934-novyy-separatizm-donbassa.html and this article (and the authors are the same)))).
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 January 2016 15: 04
      +1
      President, makes security.

      His protection in importance to the state is equivalent to the president
  11. Give the light
    Give the light 11 January 2016 08: 41
    0
    Quote: Stauffenberg
    The topic is heavy and uncomfortable

    I agree!
    Well, it didn’t work out like with Crimea what to hide now. And the People’s Republic is so for the adventurer romantics.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 11 January 2016 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: Give light
      Well, it didn’t work like with the Crimea,

      Because it was not planned "like with Crimea." Donbass, unlike Crimea, WAS NOT NECESSARY. It was simply used as a "compress" to draw off the heat from Crimea. It is simply scary to develop this topic further. Because many questions will arise, and the main -About civilian casualties. People DONATE. For what? Think for yourself.
  12. Igor39
    Igor39 11 January 2016 09: 04
    0
    I didn’t give a shit about the political leadership and the showdown, people set up specifically, they only say to the camera now that we are living in a new way and are building the future, and at home they regret that the adventurers dragged them into politics and war. Kapets just how long these regions will last in their current form It’s not known that they will not be accepted into Russia, but it’s just dangerous to go back to Ukraine, it’s a pity for people. I personally think that it was Girkin who muddied everything there if he hadn’t arrived there, there would have been no capture of state structures, there would have been no entry of ukrovsk, there would be war, there would be no sanctions, etc., etc.
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 11 January 2016 09: 43
      +9
      In in, and I'm about the same! "Russians don't abandon their own" is only for the Crimea, and there are wrong Russians.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 11 January 2016 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        and there are the wrong Russians.

        And how many "wrong Russians" throughout Ukraine are scary to think.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 January 2016 09: 46
      +3
      Quote: Igor39
      .I personally think that it was Girkin who muddied everything there, if he had not arrived there, there would have been no capture of state structures

      Have you listened to Strelkov’s opinion? Or do you only evaluate it from the words of Starikov?
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 11 January 2016 10: 18
        -1
        I don’t give a damn about the opinion of Strelkov and Starikov, I expressed my opinion. So that Girkin and Starikov talk little changes in reality, as they say in our chat, don’t turn over bags.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 January 2016 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          The fact that Girkin and Starikov chatting makes little difference in reality,

          The bottom line is WHAT chatting. hi
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 11 January 2016 10: 43
            0
            The bottom line is that at the moment Girkin and Starikov are talking heads of their conversations, only ratings of their own fluctuate and nothing more. hi
    3. dyksi
      dyksi 11 January 2016 13: 38
      10
      And in Odessa, too, Girkin muddied? Ale comrade, first we need to recall the decree (law) on the entry of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine, which was signed live by the Federation Council and the President. The top officials hoped that after the return of Crimea, Ukraine and the West would not have such a harsh reaction to our actions, but this happened and the president backed out. Only now the car was already running, the South-East was already at the mercy of the Nazis and their battalions. Ask the military and they will tell you that the actions of our volunteers in the spring, to capture Slavyansk and other cities, is a well-planned operation to seize communications in the east of Ukraine (Slavyansk itself is the largest railway junction in the Ego-East, and this is fast delivery of troops and weapons). In Iraq, Syria, there is oil and gas, that's why they help there, and in Novorossia only Russian people, without any of these "benefits". There is coal, so big business and other impurities poured into it, which bring back the nineties. You have to go to the end, if you got down to business, and not merge halfway, when people began to burn alive and phosphorus fell on settlements. When hundreds of women and children were killed, whom the president publicly promised to protect. The current Ministry of Defense of the DPR, instead of its direct responsibilities to protect the population of the Republic, is only engaged in counting the shelling, destroyed and seized by the Ukrovoyaks. Girkin at least fought and defended the population, even without help. By the way, in eastern Ukraine, more than forty activists trained in our country have disappeared in dungeons (this is not my information, it was announced by the leaders of Novorossiya), will you throw mud at them too? If they failed there, there is no need to throw mud at others, they did their job until their own people began to clean them up. If there were oil and gas, then not only our VKS would have been operating there long ago.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 11 January 2016 17: 10
        +1
        ++++++++++++++
  13. igorra
    igorra 11 January 2016 09: 17
    -1
    I noticed recently that the ratings of articles about Ukraine and the DPR and LPR are steadily falling, comments are being written, which remain unrated, all this means a decrease in the interest of Russians in Ukraine. In simple terms: Khokh.ly already got the most nimag! Maybe stop babysitting with them?
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 11 January 2016 17: 58
      0
      you advise DAM and GDP.
      Quote: igorra
      Hoch.ly already got the most nimag! Maybe stop babysitting with them?
  14. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 11 January 2016 09: 17
    -5
    Another attempt to denigrate the republic.
    Better tell us about anonymous cemeteries where the Ukrainian authorities massively bury people, thousands of civilians and "missing" soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 January 2016 09: 26
      10
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Another attempt to denigrate the republic.

      It’s interesting, but what did the authors sound wrong? Or mounted video?
      on the contrary, too loyal. Too tolerantly written. Why is there nothing about the flow of synthetic drugs from there to Russia? Or that weapons are constantly dragged across the border? You cannot denigrate what is already black.
  15. Alexl
    Alexl 11 January 2016 09: 35
    -6
    And why only about unsolved murders in LDNR speech? And the murders of Rokhlin, Ilyukhin? And the Kennedy assassination?
  16. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 11 January 2016 11: 57
    -2
    But did these entities have at least some prospects?
    without the adoption of the Russian Federation on the Crimean model.
    there before the war there was squalor - the economy and infrastructure were in decline. and after all the events there, without billions of infusions from outside, normal life can no longer be established.
    created some crap - Novorossia. where did they get it from? I’ve visited relatives almost every year since childhood — I’ve never heard of any New Russia, and few people spoke Ukrainian there, but they always considered themselves Ukraine there.
    and now it’s not Russia and Ukraine, just a hole.
  17. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 11 January 2016 12: 00
    +3
    The hackneyed truth - make a revolution of romance, and the villains take advantage of it.
    And here is added such an argument that for the top leadership of Russia
    LDNR - a headache and a suitcase without a handle, and you won’t give up - you won’t understand yours and don’t
    take it away - strangers will not give. So they hope that somehow it resolves by itself
    and the curve will lead somewhere.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 January 2016 15: 27
      +1
      A revolution is made by smart pragmatists.

      She must be able to do it.

      History has many examples and recipes. No need to learn from scratch.
  18. 15ghost10
    15ghost10 11 January 2016 12: 51
    +5
    with such an attitude to its interests, Russia will soon receive a second Ukraine in Belarus. There are now the same processes as on the eve of the Maidan. Ideas of nationalism and all that. When I read people's comments here, I get the impression that there are much more sensible and objectively assessing people here than in the Russian government. Only the expression "a high position is not yet evidence of a high mind" comes to mind.
  19. pts-m
    pts-m 11 January 2016 14: 19
    +1
    This situation was traced from the very beginning of the atom. Last year, everyone discussed this topic, each with their own view. And the results of this situation are still far. The smoldering conflict is akin to the Syrian one. And each side has its own preferences.
  20. alicante11
    alicante11 11 January 2016 15: 58
    0
    Roman, I'm sorry, but who is behind the "people's" republics? Kremlin and Russian oligarchs. Can the oligarchs build a people's republic? And everyone who does not understand this - either "in the basement" or in the "damp earth". Everything is a little simpler with us so far, neither you nor me are afraid of this yet. But the enemy is not just a few kilometers from Red Square, as in Donetsk and Lugansk.
  21. Irinaspb
    Irinaspb 11 January 2016 16: 36
    +1
    They shove the Donbass into Ukraine and simply remove all dissent. that’s the whole military secret. Brain was also removed for the same reasons.
    They killed the Novorossiya project. But there was a good idea.
    For which so many lives have been put ,,,,,
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 11 January 2016 18: 03
      +4
      A good idea cost my sister the loss of a home and forced relocation to another region.
      Gopnik, vacationers, law-breakers and other interested is not at all a pity.
      but what is normal people doing?
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  23. 4ekist
    4ekist 11 January 2016 16: 52
    +1
    Article in essence. And where is Volodya Sokolov from his TV show?
  24. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 11 January 2016 17: 54
    +5
    Roman, if my memory serves me right, but in June, somewhere closer to the end of the month, after my return from Donbass, I wrote that I was advised not to ask "unnecessary" questions there, and by the way on the forum I received a lot of minuses and frank persecution from "patriots" who wrote: ... and there you managed to visit, and even arrived in Donetsk! why didn't we see you?
    I answer: that's why they didn't see that I didn't want to meet with you, but talked with ordinary people and understood: we are not needed there, and under the label of "finding the Russian spring" there is a stupid redistribution. and now, at last, gentlemen have come to understand what has long been understood by ordinary residents of Donbass! so I believe that there was no cunning plan of the "darkest" even in the plans, forgiveness of tautology, and all this tinsel about "Russian spring and world" is nothing more than noodles on our drooping ears. Pity the guys who died in this brother-slaughtering war. soldier
  25. Irinaspb
    Irinaspb 11 January 2016 18: 03
    -4
    Russia is well welded on the conflict in the Donbass. And now Donbass is no longer needed
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 January 2016 05: 35
      0
      Well, yes ... And here we are in VO too. You recently visited the site, ask old-timers how many times one of the authors of this article drove the good collected by readers there. Personally drove by the way.
      And then read how much was imported by Russia for the residents of Donbass. Also open information
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      2. Irinaspb
        Irinaspb 12 January 2016 09: 41
        +1
        There are no questions with humanitarian aid and other help. It is clear that assistance from Russia is global. If I’ve recently visited a site, this does not mean that I don’t know what is happening there. Russia helps with one hand and interferes with the other. It’s not just that volunteers leave Donbass, and commanders also leave. Tired of looking at this mess
  26. vladek64
    vladek64 12 January 2016 15: 01
    +1
    When a year and a half ago here on the site they tried to ask WHAT you are fighting for, (http://topwar.ru/54917-suetyaschimsya-vokrug-divana.html) many commentators shouted: "Let's win first, and then we'll figure it out!"
    The current situation in the Donbass is just an example of what happens when they first fight, and then think what they wanted to achieve this fight.