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Militant group DAISH personally executed his mother for treason

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In the self-proclaimed capital of the “Islamic State” Raqqah (Syria), one of the militants of the group publicly executed its own mother, reports RIA News Syrian Human Rights Council report.




According to human rights activists, "a woman about forty years old tried to convince her 20-year-old son to leave the ranks of the IG and flee Raqqa together, as the coalition will kill all members of the group."

The son reported this to the command, and the woman was arrested.

Then, at the direction of the management, he executed his own mother in front of hundreds of people under the windows of the post office where she worked.

Earlier reported executions in Iraqi Mosul. There, according to local media, since June 2014 g (since the capture of it by terrorists) 837 women have been executed.
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  1. The black
    The black 9 January 2016 14: 27
    64
    Something they themselves will start to cut Bosko! Just suddenly I thought to leave ISIS - I grab an ax and chop off my head off myself ... an animal. Devils in hell are already waiting for him!
    1. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 9 January 2016 14: 29
      14
      Many militants have no turning back. How to live with it? Or are they not humans ??
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 9 January 2016 14: 32
        45
        Quote: dr.Bo
        Many have no way back.

        - It's not about the road. The fact is that this is simply NOT PEOPLE.
        1. uyakub92
          uyakub92 9 January 2016 14: 43
          +8
          I completely agree with you
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 9 January 2016 15: 15
            27
            Moscow - going home soldier
            1. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 9 January 2016 15: 20
              +1
              more photos
              cruiser "Moskva" passing through Istanbul

              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYNBL0mWEAAUz86.jpg
              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYNBL7GWsAAL_Lh.jpg
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 9 January 2016 16: 51
                12
                From the text of the article
                Militant group DAISH personally executed his mother for treason

                They’re able to execute something! Don’t feed bread - let me show you!
                20-year-old action movie to execute people has already been trained. Come, probably, he didn’t very painfully try to execute his own mother?
                Mother in her soul must have cursed the birth of this son before her death. 40-year-old mother probably still has younger children. And what will they think, say and do later, looking at their older brother?
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 9 January 2016 18: 53
                  +8
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  They’re able to execute something!

                  A fool, he hoped that he would "snitch" and receive a prize, so he was given the prize in the form of cutting off his own mother's head. Not only are they not people, they are also stupid. But he kept his skull so far.

                  Bursting in Daesh, if you have 2 hemispheres in your head, this is not necessarily the brain.
                2. dmi.pris
                  dmi.pris 9 January 2016 18: 57
                  +8
                  I’m generally shocked by what is happening there .. The son is killing the mother, the father is blowing up the baby son .. they’ve violated all possible human concepts. All that remains is HATE to those who think wrong. Doesn’t, but just DOESN'T THINK ... What will happen to this I’m not interested in how you can be interested in the life of evil spirits. It’s a pity for younger children, they can be influenced by nonhumans if they don’t take revenge before ..
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  From the text of the article
                  Militant group DAISH personally executed his mother for treason

                  They’re able to execute something! Don’t feed bread - let me show you!
                  20-year-old action movie to execute people has already been trained. Come, probably, he didn’t very painfully try to execute his own mother?
                  Mother in her soul must have cursed the birth of this son before her death. 40-year-old mother probably still has younger children. And what will they think, say and do later, looking at their older brother?
                3. Lukich
                  Lukich 9 January 2016 18: 57
                  +8
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Don’t feed bread - let me show you!

                  therefore evil from all over the world flies there
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  The 40-year-old mother probably still has younger children. And what will they think, say and do later, looking at their older brother?

                  they themselves executed him for treason. well, or come up with another excuse. but most likely the martyr’s belt and forward. moss they probably already made
                  1. iliitchitch
                    iliitchitch 10 January 2016 03: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Lukich
                    they themselves executed him for treason. well, or come up with another excuse. but most likely the martyr’s belt and forward. moss they probably already made


                    If there are brains, then they are not taken out for sale. I repeat - let all sorts of barbarian-Maraulov go down there - in addition to the steam locomotive towards the drum, the air will be cleaner. A fight has begun, there shouldn’t be any sentiment, the faster the State understands this, the better for all of us, non-smokers. So far, not smokers. Well, will you have to dig out an ax of war? Again in skillers to retrain?
                4. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 9 January 2016 20: 51
                  +1
                  She thought: son, do not cut the pens!
                5. 73bor
                  73bor 9 January 2016 22: 10
                  +2
                  And then you look, soon there will be each other, like Neanderthals, individuals without a future, only a grave void!
                6. LÄRZ
                  LÄRZ 10 January 2016 00: 10
                  +2
                  And who is his father? where is her husband?
              2. demo
                demo 9 January 2016 18: 14
                +1
                That's interesting.
                Did the greetings hang out?
                Or again showed "disrespect" to the Ottomans?
              3. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2016 18: 46
                0
                Quote: Dryuya2
                Dryunya2 (3) Today, 15:20 p.m. ↑
                more photos
                cruiser "Moskva" passing through Istanbul

                Dryunya, peace, do not amuse ... "bazaar" filter.
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2016 19: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrew Y.
                  Quote: Dryuya2
                  Dryunya2 (3) Today, 15:20 p.m. ↑
                  more photos
                  cruiser "Moskva" passing through Istanbul

                  Dryunya, peace, do not amuse ... "bazaar" filter.

                  or did I swell something? Isn't the Bosphorus the same? let me know if I'm not vain ....
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                  2. Pereira
                    Pereira 9 January 2016 22: 12
                    +1
                    Do not drink more.
                  3. Dryuya2
                    Dryuya2 9 January 2016 22: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    Isn't the Bosphorus the same?

                    Google translates so winked
                    https://twitter.com/Saturn5_/status/685463242777464832
            2. GeorgeSev85
              GeorgeSev85 9 January 2016 15: 35
              +4
              Yes, we are waiting for the house of our Beauty! =)
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            3. Orionvit
              Orionvit 9 January 2016 16: 35
              +2
              And when back?
            4. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 9 January 2016 19: 41
              +5
              Quote: Dryuya2
              Moscow - going home soldier

              Once the cruiser was called "Glory" ...
              On board him, Gorbachev met with Reagan ... - a spot in the biography ...
              Then the name "Moscow" was on board the handsome Cruiser-helicopter carrier ...
              The two cruisers "Moskva" and "Leningrad" for a long time alternately were the flagships of our Mediterranean squadron ...
              Previous "Moscow" - the leader, was killed in a raid operation near Constanta at the very beginning of the war ...
              And the previous cruiser named "Glory" went through the war under the name "Molotov" ...
              By the way, the renaming turned out to be strange, Molotov at home - Glory ...

              I very much regretted that for the sake of Luzhkov, so that the name of Moscow would not disappear at the Black Sea Fleet, they sacrificed the name of the famous ship ...

              Now, the cruiser evokes so many positive emotions that the name is also perceived positively.
              I suppose that the best Muscovites are the crew of the guards missile cruiser Moskva.

              This means that the Varyag cruiser reached Latakia from the Pacific Fleet.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 9 January 2016 20: 57
                0
                They pulled up the latest cruiser from the east. Moscow pinches Turkey from the north, Varangian to the west, S-400 Syria from the south. Gyumri from the east. Turkey in the anaconda ring?
        2. Dembel77
          Dembel77 9 January 2016 14: 43
          39
          This geek has nothing to do with either Islam or any other religion. Bandit and beast all rolled into one! If daish members do this to their own, then what should other people expect from them. This evil must be destroyed as quickly as possible.
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 9 January 2016 15: 36
            +9
            Even wild animals do not behave towards their parents ... This is something unrealistic .. ghouls, werewolves .. Aspen stake to execute them ...
            Quote: Dembel 77
            This geek has nothing to do with either Islam or any other religion. Bandit and beast all rolled into one! If daish members do this to their own, then what should other people expect from them. This evil must be destroyed as quickly as possible.
            1. Wolverine
              Wolverine 9 January 2016 18: 07
              +5
              Chupacabra rests aside compared to him. am
            2. demo
              demo 9 January 2016 18: 13
              -14 qualifying.
              Well, why are you like that.
              In bees, the uterus that gave birth to the entire genus will be destroyed at some point.
              No matter how cruel it sounds, the mother who gave birth to such a monster deserves such a fate.
              It would be better if she had an abortion.
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2016 20: 10
                0
                Quote: demo
                Well, why are you like that.
                In bees, the uterus that gave birth to the entire genus will be destroyed at some point.
                No matter how cruel it sounds, the mother who gave birth to such a monster deserves such a fate.
                It would be better if she had an abortion.

                this is for "Vasilenko". in the chat hack on the bees .. ya-pass! well why them. brute-smashed-survived = XP! further without me!
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 18
            -54 qualifying.
            Dembel77

            The communists were given the right to sacrifice in the name of purpose. But also the Communists took the responsibility of executing others in the name of a common goal. Do not forget that the communists deliberately renounced the benefits of life. Why is that? What purpose did he pursue? What is your moral? What are you like? What is your measure of self-sacrifice?

            This article is not simple. It is not right to say that ISIS animals are straightforward. Once again, ask yourself what their motivation is? Why did they declare themselves state? They say that they submitted applications to the UN to legalize and be recognized, to integrate into the world community.
            Maybe take a closer look.

            For me, ISIS has long acted as a gang of mercenaries working on a commercial project. Over time, rumors began to spread that it was an ideology and the revival of states destroyed by American intervention.

            Perhaps we do not own information.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 24
              28
              Perhaps we do not own information.
              What information about you?
              Yes, in general, according to your comments, everything about you is clear. Do you think they covered themselves nicely? Not. Compare the Communists (many on the site had relatives, and some themselves) with the terrorists? Did you try to write articles for Bandera?
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 41
                -6
                avva2012

                Let's do it again for you and for everyone.

                Ideology objects to the state.
                Ideology can also destroy them.

                Communists are people who deliberately made sacrifices to build a new state. They built it and made it possible for the nation to survive.

                Second time. The Communists endured the main labor of responsibility during the Great Patriotic War. He was the first to make conscious sacrifices.

                Honor and praise be for it.

                But in peacetime, when the threat of sovereignty to the state has gone or has taken a less aggressive level. The communists could not keep the country from destruction. The USSR collapsed and changed its ideology. It’s just that the Communists apparently were tired and they also wanted earthly goods that they refused for a long time.

                Thanks to the KGB, the state returned and sovereignty began to rise. Thanks to GDP for its work. And not only Russians but also Germans are grateful to Russia. Because they have an example to follow, the return of sovereignty.
            2. Sid.74
              Sid.74 9 January 2016 16: 33
              18
              Quote: gladcu2
              Perhaps we do not own information.

              Of course, you do not have the information ... after all, it was the West, NATO, the United States and the United Kingdom that first prepared and armed these ghouls in Africa and on BW. To overthrow the governments of countries that refused to obey the US colonialists.
              And now you call the terrorists oppositionists, God, what you are all the same hypocrites. And Alkaida is a creation of the USA, and there is absolutely no struggle for freedom here. There are only interests of Western colonizers.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 04
                -17 qualifying.
                Sid.74

                Good, Sid. Thanks for the controversy.

                They warn in advance. We cannot find a common language. Since all readers of VO have a different system of moral assessments. And I write all this only so that you can realize this fact.

                Good, Sid.

                Question.

                Lenin, created a revolution in Russia on whose money? Let's assume that in German for free only acne pop out. Where then did the USSR turn (shafts), the vector of development? Those from the target pursued by the customer?

                Taliban? How were they organized and who do they represent now?

                Is there an analogy with ISIS?

                Do you understand?
                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 9 January 2016 17: 17
                  +9
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Lenin, created a revolution in Russia on whose money? Let's assume that in German for free just pimple pop out. Where then did the USSR turn (shafts), the vector of development? Those from the goal pursued by the customer?

                  With the money of both Russian industrialists and Austrian and German elites.
                  Also Britain and the USA. The first concentration camp in Russia was built by Americans and British. And not by the Communists.

                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Taliban? How were they organized and who do they represent now?

                  The Taliban government was recognized by the three states of the United Arab Emirates, the CA, and Pakistan. But it was not without the stupid US policy and without their connivance. Whom they represent now ... it's hard to say at all.
                  But probably SA.
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Is there an analogy with ISIS?

                  Of course there is, and there, and there, the Islamists were armed by the Western powers and all were funded by the monarchies of the Gulf.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 9 January 2016 18: 57
                    -4
                    Sid74

                    You described historical facts that only confirm my line of thought.

                    Okay.

                    In short. D. Puchkov has a video in which B. Yulin gave a wonderful summary.

                    The ideology of the state creates. The ideology of the state destroys.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 9 January 2016 19: 22
                      +6
                      B. Yulin, of course the head. Maybe, for starters, all the same, you read the primary sources. For example, K. Marx or F. Engels. But better, I.V. Stalin. He writes more clearly.
                      1. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 46
                        -5
                        avva2012

                        These guys have written too much. Taking their morality into their system of determining values ​​in the light of modern conditions is difficult and takes a lot of time.

                        Therefore, the information comes at the level of clips. Short sources. And then the conclusion must be done independently.
                    2. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 9 January 2016 19: 37
                      +9
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The ideology of the state creates. The ideology of the state destroys.

                      It’s not the words that are destroyed, but the traitors and the egoists. It’s not the weapon that kills, it’s the person who kills. And the revolution, the Maidan, coups are also made by a person, often stupid, often deceived, for often proud.
                      And ghouls and scoundrels take advantage of this.

                      The USSR fell because it took on too much ... began to fight for the happiness of all .... and fell under its own weight, failing to overcome the internal enemy. And the enemy is greed and selfishness. The West is promoting it.
                      Now the same thing is happening both in the USA, in the EU, and in the countries of the B.V.
                      Ideology is usually just words .... even about higher goals, the Islamic State does not have an ideology, there are only words taken from the Qur'an taken out of context, which are interpreted as the customer pleases. And the customer is not the Syrian people and not the people of Iraq. This is all the same USA and the Gulf monarchies. And the USA and the monarchies have no ideology other than personal enrichment, self-interest and greed, that’s the ideology of IS-USA-SA-EU-NATO-Qatar-Turkey-UK, in a clean and uncluttered form. the rest is your propaganda already doing with Fox and CNN.
                      1. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 49
                        -9
                        Sid74

                        Lead a polemic. Do not rush slogans. Be brief.

                        It is difficult in all that you have listed to find a rational link. And therefore it is defined as flooding. Clogs the information field.
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 9 January 2016 20: 14
                        +5
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        And the enemy is greed and selfishness

                        Quite right, and now a similar situation is developing in the country, God forbid something happens to V.V. Putin, and in many respects our state now rests on his enormous authority and some kind of "liberal" like Prokhorov or Khodorkovsky will break through to the leadership of the country - this will mean collapse and destruction of our country or civil war. All sorts of "offended" by the previous power "smart people" who are not able to do anything with their own hands and who only know how to "grab" and "whine" will rush to power.
                2. V.ic
                  V.ic 9 January 2016 17: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Do you understand?

                  I see. Don't be stupid. Keep it simple. Admit your sympathy for ISIS / Daesh, it will be easier than turning the shafts. By the way, you will not survive the impact of the shafts on your face. Particularly clever / I will not point my finger / should have opened books or a search bar in the browser to find out that Lenin could not in any way "create a revolution in Russia" since he was in Switzerland.
                  1. dmi.pris
                    dmi.pris 9 January 2016 18: 21
                    +1
                    Yes, he doesn’t stupid ..
                3. dzeredzavkomimu
                  dzeredzavkomimu 9 January 2016 18: 47
                  +2
                  ..globbs..turned to the fight against imperialism and, well, improvement of the system, by the standards, it’s sweetest to listen to you, because all the enthusiasm from Razan’s Razin, and until 1905, these are solid ..orange .. revolutions, and the people do not directly understand their happiness, living in the previous system. Well, how do you perceive the 1991 coup with us? and there is no need to tell about the will of the people
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 01
                    +1
                    dzereblyaka

                    Stalin built the state. He did not revive Russia in the old face; he built an exceptionally new type of state. And this state at that time made it possible for the Russian nation to survive.

                    Request to all. Correctly understand what a state is.
                    1. alexng
                      alexng 9 January 2016 20: 00
                      +2
                      That's right, but if you look at it from a different angle, it turns out that all revolutions and coups were initiated by a group of financial tycoons of the world, regional, or a handful of local businessmen. Without money or material support, everything quickly withers away - "bite that hotseca". And ideological, informational, albeit mercantile, but also requires coins.
                    2. zennon
                      zennon 9 January 2016 20: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Request to all. Correctly understand what a state is.

                      You see, gladcu2, I think that you are somewhat obscure. You are not completely understood, and by the way, too. Therefore, people are also minusers. Besides, you touch on topics that draw on discussion volumes. Be simpler and people will reach for you. here about the communists consciously refusing life benefits - you amused me from the bottom of your heart. Being on the glorious island of Capri I saw a hotel where the aforementioned communist with the writer Peshkov, nicknamed bitter, wanted to relax. This hotel is located above the emperor’s garden in August! Always there were money that wasn’t measured ! Being in Paris in 1902, grandfather Lenin, don’t be a graduate, took off a 4-room apartment with an elevator, hot water and steam heating, where he lived with his sister, beckoning, and his wife, eye-eyed. even imagine how much this apartment was worth at the beginning of the 20th century?! In a word, I lived as it should! At the same time, I worked for my whole life only a few years and worked in the Samara District Court as an assistant to the attorney A.N. Khadrin. For three years or so. st six in general. Absolutely absolutely. Well, is not it a miracle?
                      1. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 10 January 2016 01: 07
                        +1
                        zenon

                        So after all, priests with nuns are drawn out.

                        These are violations of party discipline. Indeed, ideology cannot create a person 100% moral.
                        There is no excuse. But nevertheless, ideology is a tool both CREATIVE and destructive.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 10 January 2016 06: 57
                        0
                        Quote: zennon
                        While in Paris in 1902, grandfather Lenin, don’t be a graduate, took off a 4-room apartment with an elevator, hot water and steam heating, where he lived with his sister, beckoning, and his wife, eye-eyed

                        The Bolsheviks generally liked to create in the decaying West.
                        Memoirs of Zinoviev
                        recalling Paris, Zinoviev told how Lenin, in the evenings, "ran to the crossroads" for the latest issue of the evening newspapers, and in the early morning - to the bakery for hot horseshoes. Then Zinoviev added:
                        "His spouse preferred, between us, brioches, but the old man was a little stingy ..."
                        Having finished his memories, he once said:
                        “The Revolution, the International - all these are, of course, great events. But I will burst into tears if they touch Paris!"
                4. Junior, I
                  Junior, I 10 January 2016 06: 51
                  +1
                  Everything mixed up in the Oblomov family!
                  You have cereal in your head. And it looks like you are an ISIS ideologist! Trying to rub in how good they are! You have a brain with one crinkle and that dotted line.
              2. The black
                The black 9 January 2016 17: 15
                +7
                Moreover, ISIS may well be considered a NATO unit created to "democratize the Arabs and Arabize the EU" laughing
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 54
                  -4
                  НАТО

                  In the modern world, it does not look like an organization protecting the interests of one or several nations.

                  NATO looks either as an independent organization or as an instrument of the colonial system.
                  1. Vladimirets
                    Vladimirets 9 January 2016 20: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    an organization protecting the interests of one or more nations.

                    Yes, stop it, just like an organization protecting the interests of one country - the United States, NATO, and looks.
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 10 January 2016 01: 01
                      0
                      Vladimirets

                      It would be good. That you were right. But there is serious doubt.

                      Do you know the lobbying system in the hegemonic country?
                      Military organizations depend on one-man management. How would these guys do self-control. Otherwise, ISIS will seem like a picnic on the sidelines.
                2. Antanas
                  Antanas 10 January 2016 02: 14
                  -1
                  This is absolute stupidity in line with anti-Western hysteria.
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            3. vlad-58
              vlad-58 9 January 2016 17: 03
              +2
              Quote: gladcu2
              This article is not simple. It is not right to say that ISIS animals are straightforward. Once again, ask yourself what their motivation is? Why did they declare themselves state? They say that they submitted applications to the UN to legalize and be recognized, to integrate into the world community.
              Maybe take a closer look.

              For me, ISIS has long acted as a gang of mercenaries working on a commercial project. Over time, rumors began to spread that it was an ideology and the revival of states destroyed by American intervention.

              Perhaps we do not own information.

              ... translation of the comment is somehow clumsy! An auto-translator or something? ...
              If they were "revivalists of states destroyed by American intervention" - they would not destroy the rest of what else is! and grandmothers would not take trucks from the same Americans ... and people would not be cut in vain - their own and others ... and they would not trade with the Turks in stolen oil at a bargain price ... Turkomans, of course, we know! there has never been such a people - the Turkmens (their minuscule!), this is a very motley conglomerate of eastern tribes (then there are Tajiks) ... and only the USSR "made" them! Here are Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Kirghiz - large, quite definable peoples!
              ... The same "hodgepodge" - Dagestan and Azerbaijan, they clearly do not identify themselves ... Here's to YOU! - and "East is a delicate matter" ...
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 30
                +1
                Quote: vlad-58
                and only the USSR "made" them! Here are Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Kirghiz - large, quite definable peoples!


                thanks, laughed! Have you counted Afghan and Iranian Tajiks? Do not be too lazy to google the number of these peoples (especially the Kyrgyz)! Of all you listed, the Uzbeks could be called a great people, if not for one BUT: under the Soviet regime, all national minorities were recorded as Uzbeks, except for Russians - Tajiks, Arabs, Baluchis, Uighurs ... "like Uzbeks, I have not seen at all!
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            4. Weyland
              Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 07
              +4
              Quote: gladcu2
              The communists were given the right to sacrifice in the name of purpose. But also the Communists took the responsibility of executing others in the name of a common goal.


              What a high style! Far to Pushkin, he expressed this idea much more simply:
              "Those who are plotting impossible coups in our country are either young and do not know our people, or people are hard-hearted, with whom someone else's little head is half, and its own neck is a penny. "
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 55
                0
                Weyland

                The merits of the Communists cannot be diminished. They revived the country and saved the nation. Surely your life owes their ideology.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 10 January 2016 14: 56
                  0
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  The merits of the Communists cannot be diminished. They revived the country and saved the nation.


                  It was Stalin who revived the country and saved the nation - due to the fact that in so many issues rejected (say, "revised") the ideology of the communists ("world revolution", "the right of nations to self-determination", etc.)
                  1. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 10 January 2016 15: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Weyland
                    It was Stalin who revived the country and saved the nation - thanks to the fact that in many issues he rejected (say, "revised") the ideology of the communists ("world revolution", "the right of nations to self-determination", etc.)

                    Yes Yes Yes!!! Cool! And all because he was a member of the CPSU (B), and not a communist. wink
                    1. Weyland
                      Weyland 10 January 2016 21: 31
                      0
                      Quote: There was a mammoth
                      ruto! And all because he was a member of the CPSU (B), and not a communist


                      Very funny! Have you ever wondered why the Trotskyists consider him revisionist?
                      Who knows what? What do you think in the LDPR hi liberals and democrats are sitting? laughing
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            6. valokordin
              valokordin 9 January 2016 17: 16
              +3
              Quote: gladcu2
              The communists were given the right to sacrifice in the name of purpose. But also the Communists took the responsibility of executing others in the name of a common goal. Do not forget that the communists deliberately renounced the benefits of life. Why is that? What purpose did he pursue? What is your moral? What are you like? What is your measure of self-sacrifice?

              Well, if you compare the Wahhabis with the Communists, then the sweetest thing is to compare them with the Nazis, which the authorities of Europe and Ukraine are doing.
              Quote: avva2012
              Yes, in general, according to your comments, everything about you is clear. Do you think they covered themselves nicely? Not. Compare the Communists (many on the site had relatives, and some themselves) with the terrorists? Did you try to write articles for Bandera?
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 16
                -8
                valokardin

                Communists, fascists, ISIS, these are ideologies.

                And the name is given to them from the degree of perception.

                Someone perceives positively someone negatively.

                But they share a common situation. All these ideologies revived the state.

                I wonder if there will be objections. :)
                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 9 January 2016 19: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  I wonder if there will be objections. :)

                  And the IG does not have an ideology at all, since the Wahhabis and the Salafis, as well as the USA, organized it and not for the organization of the state, but for the destruction of the state and the overthrow of an undesirable regime ... where you found the ideology there ... I won’t put my mind to it .
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 58
                    -6
                    Sid74

                    Where did you get so much detail about ISIS.

                    I judge ISIS quite superficially. But personally, it annoys me that these guys are recognized by the media as bandits. But nevertheless they declare their goals as a revival of the state.

                    What is positive.
                    1. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 10 January 2016 01: 10
                      +2
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But personally, it annoys me that these guys are recognized by the media as bandits

                      This is what you need to turn to McCain, and to Fox and CNN, it was they who spun these cuties, like fighters for democracy and freedom, who cut their heads after people .... your Western hands are the thing.
                      Even the Nazis in Ukraine, the Western media managed to call pro-American forces.
                      But NATO’s TV channel called Bandera a freedom fighter.
                      Find a terrorist in a photograph?

                      And this unshaven little dude will become Al-Baghdadi in six months, and here is the gray-haired senile who sits against the future terrorist number one McCain, the senior representative of the minority in the committee on the armed forces. The Indian poke him on a swing.
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But nevertheless they declare their goals as a revival of the state.

                      They were not going to revive anything, they were going to destroy Christians, Yezidis, Alawites, Shiites



                      ... that is, secular Syria, and the remnants of Iraq lead to the state of the Stone Age.
                      Before the arrival of the US troops, Iraq, Syria and Libya developed quite well ... and amid frenzied dictatorships they felt fine ... but when the Western colonialists arrived, terrorists immediately appeared ... coincidence?
                      Or maybe the United States and NATO, those who spread terrorism?
                      Maybe the irrepressible thirst for the US government and their satraps prevents them from realizing that they slowed down the development of humanity for at least 30 years, dictating only their dull vision of the world, eh?
                      So it’s better to ask your questions to Canadians and Americans, maybe Europeans and not us.
                2. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 10 January 2016 03: 26
                  0
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  valokardin

                  Communists, fascists, ISIS, these are ideologies.

                  And the name is given to them from the degree of perception.

                  Someone perceives positively someone negatively.

                  But they share a common situation. All these ideologies revived the state.

                  I wonder if there will be objections. :)
                3. Weyland
                  Weyland 10 January 2016 15: 00
                  -1
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  All these ideologies revived the state. It is interesting whether there will be objections. :)


                  And which state revived ISIS? Caliphate? Within the boundaries of 751 years? laughing
                  If not for communism (and, as a consequence, the Civil War), Russia revive I wouldn’t have to - and so would remain a power of the first rank!
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            7. GRAY
              GRAY 9 January 2016 17: 45
              +5
              Quote: gladcu2
              For me, ISIS has long acted as a gang of mercenaries working on a commercial project. Over time, rumors began to spread that it was an ideology

              A commercial project can easily be in symbiosis with religion and ideology. Totalitarian sects do just that.
              Quote: gladcu2
              the revival of states destroyed by American intervention.

              A half-rotten ghoul cannot be called a reborn man.
            8. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 9 January 2016 18: 10
              +5
              Judging by the flag - Tolerast from the British Commonwealth. Well then. Try to understand and forgive them. Especially - when they will rape - sorry - to sell your sisters and daughters into slavery, and cut off to you ... Maybe your head, or maybe not. Try to understand and forgive them ...
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 01
                -3
                Mountain shooter

                Tollerasts do not enter into disputes. So weigh your statements.
            9. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 9 January 2016 18: 15
              +7
              I decided to answer this gentleman ... I do not know what rumors and information about ISIS you have-BUT ... your comment is simply disgusting. Even not in relation to the communists, but simply to people, a person. A non-man kills his mother in the square, and you talk about rumors .... You live in your American-Canadian "depression", so you live .. until.Wait for this ghoul to come to you too .. YOU .. DON'T HAVE INFORMATION
              Quote: gladcu2
              Dembel77

              The communists were given the right to sacrifice in the name of purpose. But also the Communists took the responsibility of executing others in the name of a common goal. Do not forget that the communists deliberately renounced the benefits of life. Why is that? What purpose did he pursue? What is your moral? What are you like? What is your measure of self-sacrifice?

              This article is not simple. It is not right to say that ISIS animals are straightforward. Once again, ask yourself what their motivation is? Why did they declare themselves state? They say that they submitted applications to the UN to legalize and be recognized, to integrate into the world community.
              Maybe take a closer look.

              For me, ISIS has long acted as a gang of mercenaries working on a commercial project. Over time, rumors began to spread that it was an ideology and the revival of states destroyed by American intervention.

              Perhaps we do not own information.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 19
                -6
                dmi.pris

                You repeat the case description. The name of which is murder. But a crime cannot be characterized, because there is no state determining the law for his crime. And the ideology that protests ISIS probably allows this form of behavior. I say maybe because I don’t know anything about ISIS that goes beyond what is generally accessible in the media.

                An abomination is sadism, an outright violation of behavioral norms, sexual perversions put on public display. These are categories of abomination.
                1. dmi.pris
                  dmi.pris 9 January 2016 21: 37
                  +4
                  It’s an abomination to not recognize the murder of your mother as a crime .. For you, it’s statistics, an occasion to think about it, maybe this is the way to behave .. Once again you are convinced that the West is doomed to extinction .. Behold, contemplate the morality of a monstrous crowd, hypocrite -That's your principle ..
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  dmi.pris

                  You repeat the case description. The name of which is murder. But a crime cannot be characterized, because there is no state determining the law for his crime. And the ideology that protests ISIS probably allows this form of behavior. I say maybe because I don’t know anything about ISIS that goes beyond what is generally accessible in the media.

                  An abomination is sadism, an outright violation of behavioral norms, sexual perversions put on public display. These are categories of abomination.
            10. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 9 January 2016 18: 20
              +3
              ISIS open propaganda (banned organization in Russia)? Modera, where are you looking ?!
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 03
                -5
                And who is ISIS promoting here?

                Are you talking about me? :)

                I’m talking about something completely different.

                I am talking about the need to create common standards of moral values.

                And just that. That would be an opportunity to come to a consensus.
                1. dmi.pris
                  dmi.pris 9 January 2016 21: 40
                  +4
                  God is the creator of a single standard of moral values. And you are trying to change this already created and said by yourself ...
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  And who is ISIS promoting here?

                  Are you talking about me? :)

                  I’m talking about something completely different.

                  I am talking about the need to create common standards of moral values.

                  And just that. That would be an opportunity to come to a consensus.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 49
                    0
                    dmi.pris

                    If you go to the gateway in the ear. Will you blame God for the immorality of the post-asocial types?
            11. dzeredzavkomimu
              dzeredzavkomimu 9 January 2016 18: 38
              +3
              I did not study philosophy in Europe?
            12. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 11
              -12 qualifying.
              The following really happened.

              Sat a dozen ISIS commanders. They ate sausage with tea in a relaxed form.

              Salabon comes running and loudly talks about his mother. This nonsense is for any commander if no one else hears. But here a crowd sits which is united by a single ideology. It is absolutely impossible to contradict ideology.

              Chief to defuse the situation. Reduce your level of responsibility. (What does it mean to do, nail this jerk? Ideologically not true. Shoot a woman, mother? Everyone has their own mothers. Not true)

              The chief gives arms to this dolt. And the right to choose. That’s the whole story.


              And I dragged ideology on purpose, so that you all can understand. What does the absence of ideologies in the Constitution of the Russian Federation mean.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 05
                -1
                And why is it important or dangerous to have this ideology written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation?
          3. Sid.74
            Sid.74 9 January 2016 16: 26
            +5
            Quote: Dembel 77
            A thug and a beast in one person!

            The apple does not fall far from the apple tree. And these ghouls are the western bait-ups led by Great Britain, the United States, France and Germany.
            All this is being done for one single purpose, a new global colonialism. The West has no other goals, either in Asia or in the BV, or in Africa, or in LA, or for Russia.
            The burden of a white man, to enslave and mercilessly exploit resources that do not belong to them. Everything is the same, only the wording has been corrected, now it's all in the name of imaginary freedom and democracy, which the enslaved cannot be seen as their own ears. recourse
          4. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 January 2016 19: 31
            -4
            Demob 77

            Well, it’s just who brought ISIS commanders to a difficult choice. And they returned to him his choice in the form of a pistol.
          5. zennon
            zennon 9 January 2016 19: 36
            +7
            Quote: Dembel 77
            This geek has nothing to do with Islam

            You know, I’m an atheist, but I’ll say that I didn’t see a single priest with a shahid’s belt. Like a rabbi with a bomb. Buddhists calling for a holy war do not come across something. But a mule calling for jihad is just some kind of poster! At the same time, it’s only audible, well, nothing to do with Islam;
        3. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 9 January 2016 15: 02
          +5
          They are not "inhumans", they are "not people", animals.
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        5. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 9 January 2016 15: 33
          18
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          The fact is that this is simply NOT PEOPLE.

          It would be interesting to know the opinion of a modern specialist.

          In the 1970s, as a boy, I managed to talk with a specialist in the neurological departments of the Military Medical Academy.
          talk about cruel bandits and maniacs.
          What I learned:
          1. I saw the drawings of the mad, and the fact that they are prohibited from publication and public display. For the sake of the mental health of society ..... How outraged I was when in the early 1990s in Leningrad they organized an exhibition "Drawings of Crazy" !!!
          2. Medicine already identified the brain regions responsible for the manifestations of sadism and atrocities ... Many experts already claimed that they knew how to distinguish a person from an animal ... But they did not openly discuss it ... They were afraid of mistakes.
          3. But it was precisely known that maniacs do not repent in principle, and that they are not re-educated. Naturally, only the death penalty can stop the maniac.

          4. As for social phenomena, they are worse than the actions of individuals.
          But inevitably, anyone who steps over the brink of humanity either falls under the court of normal people, or falls into a painful state and progresses into a maniac, or is tormented by torment of conscience and poorly ends the mournful journey.

          Conclusion - This "offspring" has already been sentenced to death by Nature itself.
          Quickly would have killed him ...
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 04
            -22 qualifying.
            Sergey.

            It is unlikely that this case of mental disorders is associated with pathology.

            This is a case of self-sacrifice associated with ideology.

            To justify or not opinions may be divided.

            Can you blame the self-sacrifice of Soviet soldiers in the struggle for their country.
            After all, Soviet soldiers were not mercenaries. These were citizens called to defend their homeland.
            1. gergi
              gergi 9 January 2016 16: 11
              23
              This bastard is not himself, he sacrificed his mother. It’s not worth it for Soviet soldiers to drag on this,
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 22
                -14 qualifying.
                gergi

                Comparison is perhaps shocking.

                The Soviet soldiers had their own morality and they acted as they acted. But they had a goal.

                Who is this ISIS, I would like to know in more detail. Not every gang will call itself a state.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 9 January 2016 17: 16
                  +5
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Not every gang will call itself a state.

                  heh, you dig a civil 17th, besides Gritzian Tauride you will still collect a lot.
                2. Weyland
                  Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Not every gang will call itself a state.


                  And only big enough and successful! Blessed Augustine wrote about the origin of the state from a large gang. Romulus, Rurik, Genghis Khan, Tamerlan, Nadir Shah - where did they start their career? So this I offhand listed only the most famous!
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                4. dmi.pris
                  dmi.pris 9 January 2016 19: 01
                  +2
                  Take a trip, take an interest .... I can not vouch for the safety of your head ...
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  gergi

                  Comparison is perhaps shocking.

                  The Soviet soldiers had their own morality and they acted as they acted. But they had a goal.

                  Who is this ISIS, I would like to know in more detail. Not every gang will call itself a state.
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 10 January 2016 01: 21
                0
                gergi

                Yes, he is a bastard. And he committed the murder.

                And I dragged ideology and morality to this event. So that society can correctly determine the degree of action.

                So that society can understand that morality or ideology is primary.
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 16
              11
              This is a case of self-sacrifice associated with ideology.
              To justify or not opinions may be divided.

              Ah, there are no other opinions here. Don't mix the USSR, Soviet soldiers and this muck with dirt! You, the second comment, are already writing on the site (about ideology). Maybe those who say: "An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe!" Are right?
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 24
                -5
                I do not bother anyone with dirt. I give examples of how ideological motivation works.

                Do you still remember the heavenly hundred? There was also ideological motivation. Not everyone took money for the mess on the Maidan.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 34
                  12
                  I give examples of how ideological motivation works.
                  You have one-sided receptions. If you want, compare this "Heavenly Hundred" with ISIS. And also Po Pot, Hitler, Eisenhower.
                  My ancestors should not be cited in such examples. My grandfather was a communist with 1929. He built the country, participated for the Red Army in the Civil War. Another died in 1942. Do not touch holy.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 25
                    -1
                    avva2012

                    You accuse me of discrediting the memory of your grandfather.

                    I did not say a word negatively about the Communists or even the Nazis.

                    I do not consider individuals, but ideologies.

                    You label me with accusations leading the discussion into forms of personal insults.
                2. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 9 January 2016 16: 41
                  +7
                  You are confusing ideological motivation with ideological provocation. The Heavenly Hundred is worthy of hanging out only on lanterns, like these "fighters for the idea."
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 29
                    -1
                    Orionvit

                    Are you probably the one who will be able to define ideological motivation as its difference from provocation?

                    If you started, continue.

                    You will not succeed. Mankind has not developed a unified system for assessing values.
                3. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 48
                  -18 qualifying.
                  Well approach the issue from the other side.

                  If this topic is raised, then it is necessary to develop a moral understanding.

                  Who are the liberals? In the Russian Federation? Because liberals in other countries position themselves as socialists.

                  Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class which, for the sake of their own benefit, are ready to betray state interests. Is this good or bad?

                  Who are the communists. I do not compare the modern Zyuganov communists, created under a single government, so as not to muddy the state. I want to remember those communists who raised Soviet soldiers in the attack. Remember the famous photo of the Soviet commander with TT, it turns out that the political instructor was a communist. Remember the Soviet slogans "Communists, go ahead!"

                  So who are the communists? These are those who are ready to go for self-sacrifice and deprivation in the name of more common ones. In the name of the development of the country and in the name of future generations.

                  Poorly?

                  How do we have a case with ISIS? Who are they? What case do we see now?

                  What is self-sacrifice or crime? Which grade to give?

                  Enough poking at me. Begin to think.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 00
                    +7
                    Enough poking at me. Begin to think.
                    To begin with, you think, why are they giving you disadvantages? I, even torn apart, do not see logic in your comments (or rather, I see it, but I have already written about it), "liberal, socialist, traitor, communist, ISIS." Start by finding for yourself, the definition of a liberal, a socialist, for example. Any disputes begin with terminology, i.e., with points of contact. You, as you understand the words: liberal-traitor-socialist, just like me, for example? Or not.
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 12
                      -1
                      avva2012

                      That is the problem. What an accurate assessment does not give out. Who are socialists and liberals.

                      There are no generally accepted basic values. Therefore, an unambiguous assessment is not possible.

                      Unfortunately, all wars and this whole mess in the world consists precisely in the absence of a unified system of assessments of what is happening.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 29
                        +1
                        That is the problem. What an accurate assessment does not give out. Who are socialists and liberals.
                        The answer is not correct.
                        Liberalism (from the Latin. Liberalis - free) - the philosophical and socio-political current, proclaiming the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.
                        The meaning of the word Socialist by Efremova:
                        Socialist - 1. Adherent of socialism
                        2. Follower of socialism
                        3. Member of the socialist party.
                      2. Sid.74
                        Sid.74 9 January 2016 17: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Liberalism (from the Latin. Liberalis - free) - the philosophical and socio-political current, proclaiming the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.

                        The crap is all this ... what is now attributed to liberalism, has nothing to do with its original movement.
                        At first, liberalism developed as a movement towards neo-feudalism. Actually, and now it is, only among the liberals no one says this, everything is camouflaged under "democracy" without freedom of choice, under freedom of speech, without freedom of speech, LGBT and other indecency. privatize.
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 53
                        +2
                        Well, I didn’t answer you.
                        Commentator, claims no definition. So, I brought him the first thing I found from Wikipedia. And so, with what they wrote about liberalism, I absolutely agree.
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 9 January 2016 18: 53
                      +1
                      The inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.

                      Explain?

                      avva2012, do not even try. Will not work. How many people are there are so many rights that they themselves will determine.

                      And this is the problem, because the week of a unified evaluation system. There is no GOST for basic values.
                    3. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 9 January 2016 19: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      How many people are there are so many rights that they themselves will determine.

                      But what about the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms?

                      By the way, this is the document that such countries as the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and France turned out to be when they destroyed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now continue to do so in Syria, in Yemen and in Ukraine.
                      So you need to read the morality of the Americans and Canadians, EU citizens and the monarchies of the Gulf, not us. We did not unleash these wars, we plunged these countries into chaos.
                    4. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 33
                      0
                      Sid.74

                      Throw the link. I promise to read and comply with the requirements.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 January 2016 19: 27
                    +1
                    Have you tried to read the Sermon on the Mount? Personally, for yourself.
              2. Same lech
                Same lech 10 January 2016 04: 26
                0
                There are no generally accepted basic values. Therefore, an unambiguous assessment is not possible.


                In how smile

                Do you know the concepts ... good and evil?
                Or do no harm to your neighbor ...
                or according to his deeds and reward ...

                there is no ideology here ... but the principle of justice is observed.

                The trouble has come to our world from such an ideology as democracy .... it allows massive crimes against those who do not share the principles of democracy ... and in my opinion it doesn’t matter who bombs hospitals and houses with women and children ... an airplane from countries with developed democracy or developed dictatorship.
                Evil can be wrapped in any shell (democracy, dictatorship, or something else) and deal with this except by introducing into the human mind the idea that you cannot kill, you cannot rob, you cannot lie no other way.
          2. vlad-58
            vlad-58 9 January 2016 17: 19
            +4
            Quote: gladcu2
            If this topic is raised, then it is necessary to develop a moral understanding.
            Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class which, for the sake of their own benefit, are ready to betray state interests. Is this good or bad?

            Who are the communists. I do not compare modern Zyuganov communists, created under a single government, so as not to stir up the state. I want to recall those communists who raised Soviet soldiers to attack. Remember the famous photo of the Soviet commander with TT, the political instructor turned out to be a communist.
            So who are the communists? These are those who are ready to go for self-sacrifice and deprivation in the name of more common ones. In the name of the development of the country and in the name of future generations.
            Poorly?
            How do we have a case with ISIS? Who are they? What case do we see now?
            What is self-sacrifice or crime? Which grade to give?
            Enough poking at me. Begin to think.

            ... again - it seems like a clumsy translation! from Arabic, or what?
            Self-sacrifice - slaughter your mom ??? What then is a crime? ...
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 25
              0
              _Vlad

              I poke a finger in the handheld, but in general I can’t edit the text. So sorry.
          3. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 9 January 2016 17: 33
            +7
            What do you have with your head? To kill a mother, to kill someone at all and SELF-DONATION. Not the same thing!
            Take my mother and relatives out of Raqqa, return, and say, I took my own, they did not share our beliefs. I betrayed you, and betrayed our beliefs, execute me. Here is self-sacrifice. Their suicide bombers are self-sacrifice.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 53
              +2
              Observer

              What do you think?

              Okay, I will give my assessment of what happened. But before I say you should know a little about me. You need this so that you look at the world with my eyes. Those. could understand my moral values. My rating system.

              I am an expat. Who knows 4 countries included in the "golden billion" zone. My income is closer to below average. I am educated, well-read, I have 4 basic specialties. Not a believer, but not a denier. Retained the basic values ​​of the "young builder of communism". This is not ironic. As I understand it, this is very similar to the truth.

              Now directly on the assessment of what happened.

              We have an idiot on hand. Which, through his own fault, fell into a situation that did not give the right to choose.

              I would shoot myself if it were possible. But he would not shoot at his mother even under great trials.
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 9 January 2016 18: 02
                +5
                People prone to a substitution of concepts, usually do not shoot.
                And even more so, people from among emigrants ...
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 40
                0
                Observer

                Now you have moved to the level of personal insult. I caution you to remain within the framework of the controversy.

                And I warned all readers of VO in advance.

                It is often very difficult to come to a consensus because there is no single valuation system.
              3. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 10 January 2016 05: 10
                0
                Now you have moved to the level of personal insult. I caution you to remain within the framework of the controversy.

                Where? request What specifically offended you?
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 37
        +5
        Quote: gladcu2
        Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class which, for the sake of their own benefit, are ready to betray state interests. Is this good or bad?

        Do not confuse warm with soft! In Russia and 200 years ago there were enough embezzlers and traitors - but it never occurred to them to position themselves as liberals! This coincidence of liberals with embezzlers is a special case, characteristic only for this historical moment!

        Quote: gladcu2
        Remember the famous photo of the Soviet commander with TT, the political instructor turned out to be a communist.


        So you decide - is it a commander or political instructor?
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 57
          +4
          Leave this question to yourself.

          I will say about myself that I have not ceased to respect the Communists despite the enormous level of propaganda aimed at censuring the Communists of the USSR.
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 37
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class which, for the sake of their own benefit, are ready to betray state interests. Is this good or bad?

        Do not confuse warm with soft! In Russia and 200 years ago there were enough embezzlers and traitors - but it never occurred to them to position themselves as liberals! This coincidence of liberals with embezzlers is a special case, characteristic only for this historical moment!

        Quote: gladcu2
        Remember the famous photo of the Soviet commander with TT, the political instructor turned out to be a communist.


        So you decide - is it a commander or political instructor?
      4. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 January 2016 18: 07
        +6
        Quote: gladcu2
        Because liberals in other countries position themselves as socialists.

        Wow, this is five ... so long ago did not laugh .... liberals are socialists .... laughing crying laughing
        The terrorists from An-Nusra (Alkaida) in Syria are the opposition, NATO is a defensive political bloc that defended bombed Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya .... Kosovo is the will of the people and Crimea is Russian aggression, yes, yes, yes .. .. heard we know .... and the September 11 terrorist attack was organized by a moderate sweetheart oppositionist Bin-Laden, or do I not understand something in your morality? wassat
      5. padded jacket
        padded jacket 9 January 2016 18: 51
        +6
        Quote: gladcu2
        Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class

        Yes, we do not have so-called "liberals" in Russia, there is only a handful of "traitors and thieves" who have either already "stolen" or have "not stolen" yet, as well as various offended by the authorities and from that they strongly "whine" and "swear" .V.Putin our country and its people. People of this kind are usually called "The Fifth Column".
        What would the liberals not talk about
        Their whole truth lies in one thing:
        That the Russians need to set their house on fire,
        To maintain Western morality.
        lol
        Song for raising patriotism:
      6. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 9 January 2016 19: 32
        0
        Thinking should begin first of all to you ... What other OTHER assessment can be given to this bastard ??
        Quote: gladcu2
        Well approach the issue from the other side.

        If this topic is raised, then it is necessary to develop a moral understanding.

        Who are the liberals? In the Russian Federation? Because liberals in other countries position themselves as socialists.

        Liberals in the Russian Federation are considered to be the ruling class which, for the sake of their own benefit, are ready to betray state interests. Is this good or bad?

        Who are the communists. I do not compare the modern Zyuganov communists, created under a single government, so as not to muddy the state. I want to remember those communists who raised Soviet soldiers in the attack. Remember the famous photo of the Soviet commander with TT, it turns out that the political instructor was a communist. Remember the Soviet slogans "Communists, go ahead!"

        So who are the communists? These are those who are ready to go for self-sacrifice and deprivation in the name of more common ones. In the name of the development of the country and in the name of future generations.

        Poorly?

        How do we have a case with ISIS? Who are they? What case do we see now?

        What is self-sacrifice or crime? Which grade to give?

        Enough poking at me. Begin to think.
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 9 January 2016 17: 02
      +1
      Quote: gladcu2
      Do you still remember the heavenly hundred?

      You tell us immediately, is the hero for you Bandera? UPA, Azov, Aydar, and the right sector heroes?
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 15
        0
        Sid.74

        Ava think that with this question you will be able to create, work out, determine a uniform assessment of moral values?

        Well, maybe I can agree with you personally. How then to be with other VO readers?
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 9 January 2016 17: 36
          11
          Quote: gladcu2
          Well, maybe I can agree with you personally. How then to be with other VO readers?

          So the heroes of the Nazis from the UPA, Bandera hero?

          If you protect ISIS in this way, you scold the communists and you remember the heavenly hundred, then the question arises involuntarily ... is it a Cossack interlocutor who has been sent?
          Yes, and under the flag of Svidomo Canada .... where, as is well known, a large Svidomo yellow-Blakyt diaspora, which oh, how happy was Maidan. For the United States, Zhezh said, rejoice and support.
          Yes, sanctions imposed against Russia. What is not a reason for the joy of Svidomo Square Canadians. Only one grief does not give them rest ..... under the fire of the Russian VKS the innocent money of American taxpayers and NATO friends are dying ... crying Even on the old Soviet aircraft ... with efficiency that the adversaries never dreamed of ... crying
          And what to do ... and throw grains of doubt on websites and on the Internet ... to sow strife ... to call black with white ... to diminish the dignity of the USSR, Russia, to call punitive and mercenaries to communists ...
          Just know .... your propaganda already does not take ... in any way.
          You are already tired of your moral curve more than just a turnip.
          Though manuals that you change ... laughing
          And then after the torchlight processions in Kiev, all your words are worth nothing. There is nothing at all. wink

          Quote: gladcu2
          Ava think that with this question you will be able to create, work out, determine a uniform assessment of moral values?
          It will be seen if the meaning of further conversation lead.
    3. vlad-58
      vlad-58 9 January 2016 17: 13
      +7
      Quote: gladcu2
      Not everyone took money for the mess on the Maidan.

      ... but everyone wanted them!
      ... it’s just that not everyone got it - to whom a pittance, to whom to a coo ...
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 17
        +2
        Quote: vlad-58
        to whom it’s penniless, to whom it’s


        To someone - a thousand coins,
        to sharks for lunch.
        Give us luck in battle, Jolly Roger! (with)
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 17
        0
        Quote: vlad-58
        to whom it’s penniless, to whom it’s


        To someone - a thousand coins,
        to sharks for lunch.
        Give us luck in battle, Jolly Roger! (with)
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2016 17: 23
        -3
        vlad-58

        This is your personal morality. According to her, you make an assessment of what is happening.

        I can raise the question in a completely different way, and you will be surprised to find that I am right.

        I positioned myself here consciously in contradiction to many readers of VO. To focus on a very difficult moment.

        With all the development of the media, the planet’s population has not yet developed a unified assessment system. Since there is no basic standardized system of moral values.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 42
          +6
          This is your personal morality. According to her, you make an assessment of what is happening.

          The moral is one for all. There is no her personal, even for you.
          I positioned myself here consciously in contradiction to many readers of VO.
          Etto, you are in vain. Here people gathered mainly with different views. The softest thing that is written about your views is Geyevropa.
          With all the development of the media, the planet’s population has not yet developed a unified assessment system. Since there is no basic standardized system of moral values.
          Do you, excuse me, write from Kashchenko? Read the book, "How to rule the world without attracting the attention of orderlies," or something like that. Such tasks, apparently, will never be solved ("a unified system for assessing the basic standardized system has not been developed"). wassat
          1. poquello
            poquello 9 January 2016 17: 52
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            This is your personal morality. According to her, you make an assessment of what is happening.

            The moral is one for all. There is no her personal, even for you.
            .
            Do you, excuse me, write from Kashchenko? Read the book, "How to rule the world without attracting the attention of orderlies," or something like that. ...

            type is correct and from Kashchenko
            Special psychiatric hospitals began to be created in the 30s. on the initiative of Andrei Vyshinsky, one of the active participants in the Stalinist repressions.
            The Kazan Prison Psychiatric Hospital of the NKVD of the USSR (hereinafter TPB) became the first particularly secret hospital of punitive psychotherapy in the USSR.
            The KTPB contained two categories of prisoners: “mentally ill, committed state crimes, detained and sentenced to compulsory treatment in conjunction with isolation by court order or by the decision of the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR” and “mentally ill prisoners convicted of state crimes, mental the disease of which began in prison during the period of serving a sentence by a court sentence or by the decision of the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR. ”
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 56
            +2
            Are you talking about punitive psychiatry in the USSR? do you think she was? That is, the mentally ill could not commit state crimes, for which, in more democratic countries, they were sentenced to an electric chair?
          3. vlad-58
            vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 15
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            That is, the mentally ill could not commit state crimes, for which, in more democratic countries, they were sentenced to an electric chair?

            Now it is called "sociopathological type of behavior", a type of psychiatric disease (echoes the video posted by Mr. Prof .. \ namerek \ -Saveliev ...).
          4. avva2012
            avva2012 9 January 2016 18: 58
            0
            Sociopath, this is a personality disorder. For mental illness, has an indirect relationship. Often, when committed, any crime may be recognized sane. Sociopaths mainly commit criminal offenses. Such a nature.
        2. poquello
          poquello 9 January 2016 18: 32
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          Are you talking about punitive psychiatry in the USSR? do you think she was? That is, the mentally ill could not commit state crimes, for which, in more democratic countries, they were sentenced to an electric chair?

          Nope, I'm talking about morality for all, Melville or something, read at your leisure about the Tapi tribe (like) there a warrior is not a warrior if he doesn’t eat the enemy.
          About psychiatry, this is to Brodsky.
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 9 January 2016 18: 53
          0
          About psychiatry, better to Bukovsky.
        4. poquello
          poquello 9 January 2016 19: 26
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          About psychiatry, better to Bukovsky.

          Is that why Luis was released from the carnival? why then you ask - I believe I do not believe, you won’t throw words out of a song, well, an anthem like an exception
        5. avva2012
          avva2012 9 January 2016 19: 37
          +2
          They said Bukovsky, pursued punitive from psychiatry. The diagnosis was made, not good people. And, here recently, in GB, they found out that he was a pedophile. In addition to visiting relevant sites, also on a personal computer, a lot of things related to this topic. Spoken in the USSR, per person.
        6. poquello
          poquello 9 January 2016 20: 32
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          They said Bukovsky, pursued punitive from psychiatry. The diagnosis was made, not good people. And, here recently, in GB, they found out that he was a pedophile. In addition to visiting relevant sites, also on a personal computer, a lot of things related to this topic. Spoken in the USSR, per person.

          In 2014, the Russian Foreign Ministry denied Bukovsky Russian citizenship.
          And sho? If Bukovsky pedophile, then there was no punitive psychiatry in the USSR? Petka, do you like crayfish?
  • vlad-58
    vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 09
    +4
    Quote: gladcu2
    vlad-58
    This is your personal morality. According to her, you make an assessment of what is happening.
    I can raise the question in a completely different way, and you will be surprised to find that I am right.
    With all the development of the media, the planet’s population has not yet developed a unified assessment system. Since there is no basic standardized system of moral values.

    Oooh / gladcu2 /! How did humanity survive as a biological species and a socialized community, having no common - are called "common to all mankind", if what ... - requirements for ethics and morality? ...
    Have you seen the movie "Predator"? there are like four films ... But it never occurred to me that a civilization is just cannot exist, not to mention spacewalk and interstellar flights? a long time ago they would eat each other ... and not spaceships and laser guns were built ...
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 47
      0
      vlad-58

      You asked a question that leads away from the topic.

      There is a separate thread of reasoning for an answer to it. I will answer in another topic.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 9 January 2016 19: 42
    0
    "I have positioned myself here deliberately in contradiction to many VO readers."
    Is it self-sacrifice?
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 49
      0
      Koshak

      Do you see how many cons they put to me?

      This is a PR promotion.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 9 January 2016 22: 07
      +1
      Are you bursting into the Canadian parliament?
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 10 January 2016 06: 19
      0
      Your promotion is successful, congratulations! (without sarcasm)
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  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 9 January 2016 22: 05
    0
    You will be surprised to learn that you are wrong ... I will open a SCARY NEW for you - this system has been voiced and created and written for a very long time. Read the Gospel, everything is there to set your brains ..
    Quote: gladcu2
    vlad-58

    This is your personal morality. According to her, you make an assessment of what is happening.

    I can raise the question in a completely different way, and you will be surprised to find that I am right.

    I positioned myself here consciously in contradiction to many readers of VO. To focus on a very difficult moment.

    With all the development of the media, the planet’s population has not yet developed a unified assessment system. Since there is no basic standardized system of moral values.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 39
      -1
      dmi.pris

      No need to mock. If the truth has been revealed to you, do not do events on a VO scale.

      There is a bible. Koran. Torah. All these books tear apart sect and other religious movements. With all this, everyone considers himself true.
  • poquello
    poquello 9 January 2016 17: 19
    +2
    Quote: gladcu2
    I do not bother anyone with dirt. I give examples of how ideological motivation works.

    Do you still remember the heavenly hundred? There was also ideological motivation. Not everyone took money for the mess on the Maidan.

    you have in terms
    ideology - a system of views and ideas, worldview

    it turns out that nothing
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 9 January 2016 17: 26
    +6
    Well, that's all, and fell into place! How could I not immediately notice the "maple leaf" ..? Your entire Maidan is two categories of persons: fools and villains. The fools are already being devoured by the worms, the scoundrels are still running. But everything is fixable.
    And not when, do not confuse more, faith in justice with the desire for dough and power. Also, do not confuse with stupidity.
    You will confuse such things, put everything in a heap, nothing good will come of it.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 52
      0
      Observer

      Your ratings may be generally accepted.

      But now we are not talking about Maidan and fools.

      And about the assessment of what happened described in the article, including through the prism of ideology.

      Focus on the topic. No need to put aside, much less blame.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 10 January 2016 05: 20
        0
        Heaven dragged a hundred, not me. Or were they our fighters against ISIS (Daesh)? This proves once again that of all the methods of discussion you have chosen one that is typical of a Western school. Substitution of concepts and distortion of facts. In common people called a mirror.
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 9 January 2016 21: 10
    0
    Ideolukh, it’s time to close the mittens, it’s incomprehensible which one, to read your fabrications you already don’t have any, talk to your relatives, maybe they understand you, or have you already taken out your brain to them? ..
  • Nzn
    Nzn 9 January 2016 18: 11
    +4
    Dear gladcu2, you are so deftly working on the substitution of concepts ... You are a dangerous interlocutor for fragile minds. Where were you cooked? ;)
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 20: 58
      -3
      Nzn

      Thanks for the compliment. You flatter me.

      The theme is really very slippery. And for fragile Fersenkov’s minds it’s very destructive. But from time to time it is necessary to touch upon it. Since generations are growing, and a unified moral understanding must be developed. Otherwise, young people, becoming older, are betraying their state, as the Communists and Ukrainians are teasing.

      Well, including me.

      On the social ladder, I am a minor person. Express their opinion under a nickname.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 10 January 2016 09: 31
        0
        We (the overwhelming majority of site visitors) have one morality - to love their Motherland, in case of danger to defend it, to educate the younger generation ... You have a different morality - hypocrisy, digging into worthlessness, tolerance to antisocial behavior ... That site turned out to be .. Go to the "Censor"
        Quote: gladcu2
        Nzn

        Thanks for the compliment. You flatter me.

        The theme is really very slippery. And for fragile Fersenkov’s minds it’s very destructive. But from time to time it is necessary to touch upon it. Since generations are growing, and a unified moral understanding must be developed. Otherwise, young people, becoming older, are betraying their state, as the Communists and Ukrainians are teasing.

        Well, including me.

        On the social ladder, I am a minor person. Express their opinion under a nickname.
  • dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 9 January 2016 18: 53
    +1
    maybe we’ll compare with the Indians who were supposed to kill their old parents themselves, but it’s better to turn to cavemen, there was cannibalism. This is a subhuman Igilove and putting his head in boiling water is the softest thing for him, that's all philosophy and saliva
  • mole
    mole 9 January 2016 20: 58
    +2
    Quote: gladcu2


    It is unlikely that this case of mental disorders is associated with pathology.

    This is a case of self-sacrifice associated with ideology.


    In this case, this "ideology" itself is pathological, and "self-sacrifice" is certainly associated with a mental disorder.
    And in general, there is nothing to compare with the citizens of my Country and even more so try to draw historical parallels between the activities of bandits and the state! In this case
    Quote: gladcu2

    it’s difficult in all that you have listed to find a rational link. And therefore it is defined as flooding. Clogs the information field.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 24
      0
      mole

      You tried to give your rating. This opinion is subjective, your personal.

      The next step I would like to see a system of ratings that turn personal opinion into objective.

      I started all this lobud in order to show how difficult it is to come to a consensus without a single morality.

      Morality in the state should be dealt with by the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Culture. The Ministry of Education in the Russian Federation, by common agreement, does not follow morality.

      Well, the ministry of culture remains. I hope D. Puchkov will be able to pass on his moral values ​​to the Fursenkov generation.

      And also see A. Shary. He has a good point of view.

      In general, there should be state morality. But this is an ideology.
      1. mole
        mole 9 January 2016 22: 35
        +2
        My opinion is subjective for you. Reality is objective. The execution described above is immoral objectively. From you, I see attempts to find excuses for this crime.
        This article is not simple. It is not right to say that ISIS animals are straightforward. Once again, ask yourself what their motivation is? Why did they declare themselves state? They say that they submitted applications to the UN to legalize and be recognized, to integrate into the world community.
        Maybe take a closer look.

        You need to look at them only from one position - destroy. They are not a state. They proclaimed themselves. Again to the question of pathology, Napoleons with sadistic inclinations are certainly enough in the fools, but they are isolated from society and kept under control.
        It is extremely dangerous to treat crimes committed by bandits "tolerantly", to try to justify the lack of education, mentality, moral values, lack of ideology, etc. We will not come to a consensus until you compare soft with warm! The activities of gangs with the activities of the state, the actions of the most worthy citizens with the crimes of thugs.
        As for state morality, it is based on laws. Where laws are not respected, scumbags appear confident in their impunity.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 10 January 2016 04: 02
    +1
    Quote: gladcu2

    This is a case of self-sacrifice associated with ideology.
    .
    Can you blame the self-sacrifice of Soviet soldiers in the struggle for their country.
    After all, Soviet soldiers were not mercenaries. These were citizens called to defend their homeland.

    You have a complete mess in your head, or worse.
    The one who kills the mother is not a human being for people from all states and with any ideology. Even for cannibals.
    He does not defend the country, he has an inoculation of personal exclusivity inside and with paranoid frenzy now destroys all living things that differ from his "ideal".

    And you better not say anything about the Soviet soldier - it is not given to you to understand what this phenomenon is.
    This is our main military secret - the Soviet SOLDIER and the Russian SOLDIER.
    Everyone who tried to solve our military secrets from abroad perished.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 07
    +8
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of a modern specialist.
    The professor, of course, is not a doctor. But he has an evidence base. What does the morphological. The one who killed his mother simply does not have certain areas in the brain. This can’t be corrected, only destroyed, so as not to inherit its anomaly.
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 9 January 2016 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: avva2012
      It would be interesting to know the opinion of a modern specialist.
      The professor, of course, is not a doctor. But he has an evidence base. What does the morphological.

      ... Mmmm yeah! ...
      A very controversial and controversial report that raises many questions and objections!
      Mr. prof. sometimes contradicts itself - even within the limits of linear-logical conclusions ... like - the wind blows because the trees are swinging!
      The report is replete with such logical inconsistencies and exaggerations that it becomes incomprehensible - as Mr. prof. became him (that is, a professor ...). AND WHAT does he teach students? ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 18: 08
        0
        He has a lot to say on the video. One can agree with something, but not with something. Everything is as usual. Two things about which he speaks with which not to argue. This is the presence of fields and subfields in gm and that with a certain periodicity, connections between nerve cells appear and disappear. He says he is like a normal nerd who finds it difficult to convey his own thought to the listener. Many sin this.
  • Weyland
    Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 15
    +3
    Quote: Sergey S.
    maniacs do not repent in principle, and that they are not re-educated. Naturally, only the death penalty can stop the maniac. 4. As for social phenomena, they are worse than the actions of individuals.


    What do the maniacs have to do with it ... He is a fanatic, not a maniac. They are much more dangerous - as the Marquis de Sade said, who knew the situation well from the inside: "Not the vices of private individuals, but the actions of public figures can ruin the state! "It is significant that de Sade - so to speak, a reference maniac - at one time was the chairman of the revolutionary tribunal, but then he was removed from his post and sentenced to death for "criminal humanity towards the enemies of freedom" (he was lucky - the queue for the guillotine was so large that by the time of the next coup she did not have time to reach)
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 9 January 2016 15: 42
    +7
    I won’t tell about everyone, but the one who killed his Mother and those who gave him the order are definitely NOT people.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 16: 55
      -6
      Nikolay K

      This answer is very difficult.

      The problem is that humanity could not develop a single moral understanding.

      Morality is a basic value system. Already from this basis, and only from this basis, one can judge the correctness of the act.

      Basic morality was laid in the Bible, but the Bible is considered in different ways. Someone considers her a holy book. Someone considers the underlying story. Someone is preaching Islam. Someone Judaism.

      All this mixture of moral values ​​creates a wild mess and violates the system of understanding.
      1. vlad-58
        vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        Nikolay K

        This answer is very difficult.

        The problem is that humanity could not develop a single moral understanding.

        Morality is a basic value system. Already from this basis, and only from this basis, one can judge the correctness of the act.

        Basic morality was laid in the Bible, but the Bible is considered in different ways. Someone considers her a holy book. Someone considers the underlying story. Someone is preaching Islam. Someone Judaism.

        All this mixture of moral values ​​creates a wild mess and violates the system of understanding.

        ... and in any religion KILL is "welcome"; and especially "encouraged" - "KILL mom!"
  • atalef
    atalef 9 January 2016 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Many have no way back.

    - It's not about the road. The fact is that this is simply NOT PEOPLE.

    A terrible thing, what could be worse than betraying your parents and killing your own mother?
    On the other hand - now everyone here is outraged by this bastard, but this is just the same Pavlik Morozov in the ISIS performance.
    What stupid and blind ideology and propaganda can lead to and this was not born with ISIS - hundreds and thousands of parents were extradited or killed by their children to the Civil, in Germany, the Nazis, during the years of repression.
    Unfortunately, this will not end until they understand one of the main commandments - almost their parents. IMHO
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 12
      +7
      On the other hand - now everyone here is outraged by this bastard, but this is just the same Pavlik Morozov in the ISIS performance.
      Alexander, look on the Internet, there are new versions of what happened to Pavel Morozov. Ideology, and not the whole thing in the head of man. Moreover, it is not necessary to compare the ideology of Communism with this savagery. Do not distort. Communism, at a minimum, is internationalism.
    2. skifd
      skifd 9 January 2016 16: 13
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      What can lead to stupid and blind idealogy and propaganda, and it was not born with ISIS


      Oh, I "love" you, "amusers" ... You are so ... ANTIRESNY ...



      With "holiday committee", it means ...

      For clarification. What, then, "ordered bad music"? Or calculation? Promised Land as a result and finance for the Holocaust
    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 9 January 2016 17: 06
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      What can lead to stupid and blind idealogy and propaganda, and it was not born with ISIS

      That's right .... for example, such an ideology is "pseudo-democracy" performed by the USA. There are no direct elections in the United States. But democracy is imposed on everyone.
    4. samoletil18
      samoletil18 9 January 2016 17: 29
      +6
      Pavlik Morozov also had personal motives, which were ignored by the ideologists of those times. A personal motive was to protect his mother from his own father. But he did not execute his father.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 17: 34
        +1
        A personal motive was to protect his mother from his own father. But he did not execute his father.
        And what could a 13 summer kid do against a bull? Especially in this story, grandfather and uncle are represented. Though what kind of ghouls were they?
      2. atalef
        atalef 9 January 2016 18: 29
        -5
        Quote: samoletil18
        Pavlik Morozov also had personal motives, which were ignored by the ideologists of those times. A personal motive was to protect his mother from his own father. But he did not execute his father.

        Quote: avva2012
        A personal motive was to protect his mother from his own father. But he did not execute his father.
        And what could a 13 summer kid do against a bull? Especially in this story, grandfather and uncle are represented. Though what kind of ghouls were they?

        You should not cling to a specific Pavlik, I meant the collective image of a "hero" - who raised his hand to his father or mother, I mean those ideologies that not only allowed it, but also encouraged it - breaking one of the main values ​​of the connection between children and parents, everywhere it was and was encouraged by many regimes. When the son went to the father and the brother to the brother. This speaks only of the degree of propaganda and the dusting of the brain - but in the end, none of these regimes survived - the communists, Maoists, Nazis, Khmers - did not survive due to their unnaturalness - there is also no future for ISIS - the regime that encourages such things has no future
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 January 2016 19: 07
          +5
          Propaganda of capitalism is natural, right? That is, when the relatives spend each other on the inheritance, is that, buzz? Ah, communism is apparently bad. When in the USSR, developed a connection between parents and children? Logic is lame. A man, in any system, can remain a man. Trite? But, a person will not go to ISIS, knowing what they are doing there. Like attracts like.
          1. atalef
            atalef 9 January 2016 19: 44
            +3
            Quote: avva2012
            Propaganda of capitalism is natural, right? That is, when the relatives spend each other on the inheritance, is that, buzz? Ah, communism is apparently bad. When in the USSR, developed a connection between parents and children? Logic is lame. A man, in any system, can remain a man. Trite? But, a person will not go to ISIS, knowing what they are doing there. Like attracts like.

            You should not mix ideology and base human instincts, no one advertises capitalism, but in capitalism the particular prevails over the public and therefore the values ​​of the family have always been higher than the values ​​of society — this is a fact.
            I didn’t say that communism is bad - I said that the aspect of suppressing domestic relations by the state is what happened in all pseudo-communist regimes (by the way, don’t say that communism is good, as I don’t say that it’s bad) - neither you nor I saw communism, but what was in the USSR - I’m sorry and I can’t call it socialism, all the same I am familiar with both the capitalism of Israel and Canada (and of a certain number of decaying countries of the West) - and so in this capitalist hell (as many call it)
            Socialism is many times greater than the USSR - and this is the same fact
            Of course, a person can remain a person in any system - but humanity is an internal setting and the scope of each shopping mall is the same ISIS considers this freak a hero, himself - the same thing, while a person with high moral standards and certainly not a cannibal and killer can the eyes of many (with the help of a common ideology and hysteria) - to turn into a universal enemy and longing for his death - Makarevich is not an example?
            it’s difficult and it’s not worth confusing — the border is thin — I think the less the government creeps into everyone’s personal life, the less it hangs up labels, the less it centralizes everything and everything in itself — the less there will be such subhuman people.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 9 January 2016 20: 13
              +1
              Here, I’ll answer you all. One in the morning. Makarevich, a two-faced man, in essence of his unconventional orientation (true essence). In his Crimea, business was covered, as they say. Otsedova is such a principle. At the expense of everything else, but I will not, I repeat, what people wrote to you about socialism, why. True, you were not too lazy to write about socialism in the capitalist countries. Are the arguments over? You know, this argument will never be resolved. And, the state, in fact, creeps into your life more than mine. Including because Israel is surrounded by enemies. I have one suspicion that this is a favorable situation for your authorities. Otherwise, we would have agreed. I’m sleeping already. Until.
              1. andj61
                andj61 10 January 2016 07: 15
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                at the same time, a person with high moral standards and certainly not a cannibal and killer can, in the eyes of many (with the help of a common ideology and hysteria), turn into a universal enemy and longing for his death - is Makarevich not an example?

                Quote: avva2012
                Makarevich, a two-faced man, in essence of his unconventional orientation (true essence). In his Crimea, business was covered, as they say. Otsedova is such a principle.

                Only about Makarevich and it is worth inserting your five cents. Now he has never been distinguished by high moral principles. As far back as the 80s, many of his colleagues in the collective noted how he had morally appropriated the authorship of many works created collectively, explaining with concern for everyone, about strengthening the authority of the group through strengthening the authority of the leader, etc. I can’t say anything about the business in Crimea - the production of elite wine, but it did take place there. And it existed with profits only on the condition that preferences were provided, about which he had agreed in Kiev. Could you agree on the same in Moscow or in Simferopol on a new one? Perhaps he could ... Or maybe not: after all, he had discovered it in the Crimea, and not, for example, in the Kuban or Georgia. Apparently, earlier it was not possible to agree on this.
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 42
              0
              atalef

              Well said.

              But the state still has to shape the personality. To rule out an ideology that could destroy it.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 9 January 2016 19: 15
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          But this is just the same Pavlik Morozov in the ISIS performance.

          Quote: atalef
          You should not cling to a specific Pavlik, I meant the collective image of the "hero" - who raised his hand to his father or mother

          Oh no no no!!! Not good! You have long been on the site, more than once the topic has been raised, you know that:
          "Together with Pavlik Morozov, his 8-year-old brother was killed.
          "In the spring of 1999, the co-chairman of the Kurgan Memorial Society, Innokenty Khlebnikov, sent on behalf of Arseny Kulukanov's daughter Matryona Shatrakova a petition to the Prosecutor General's Office to review the decision of the Ural Regional Court, which sentenced the teenager's relatives to death. [24] [9] The Russian Prosecutor General's Office came to the following conclusion. : \
          The verdict of the Ural Regional Court of November 28, 1932 and the determination of the judicial cassation board of the Supreme Court of the RSFSR of February 28, 1933 in relation to Kulukanov Arseniy Ignatievich and Morozova Ksenia Ilinichna change: retrain their actions from Art. 58-8 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR at st. Art. 17 and 58-8 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, leaving the previous sentence. Recognize Sergey Sergeyevich Morozov and Daniil Ivanovich Morozov reasonably convicted in the present case for committing a counter-revolutionary crime and not subject to rehabilitation.
          The Prosecutor General's Office, which is involved in the rehabilitation of victims of political repression, concluded that the murder of Pavlik Morozov is purely criminal in nature, and the killers cannot be rehabilitated on political grounds. [25] This conclusion, together with the materials of an additional examination of case No. 374, was sent to the Supreme Court of Russia, which decided to refuse rehabilitation to the alleged killers of Pavlik Morozov and his brother Fyodor. "
          How cleverly igil connected with communism !!! Bravo!
        3. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 10 January 2016 05: 30
          +3
          And why did you remember exactly Pavlik? And for example, not Cain ..? Is this an accident, or ..?
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 January 2016 06: 51
            0
            Quote: Observer 33
            And why did you remember exactly Pavlik? And for example, not Cain ..? Is this an accident, or ..?

            Or knowledge of the materiel.
            Check out this story, you probably read the Bible.
            Do not confuse base instincts in the form of envy and ideology
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 36
        0
        samoletil18

        Then ideology worked to revive the state. There should have been heroes.

        It turns out Pavlik Morozov is a tragedy. The victim of that time. Now you can probably admit it. And then it would be a crime against ideology, against society, and the state.

        And again, we will return to our rams. How to make sure that morality does not change, does not adapt to ideology.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 32
      0
      atalef

      Yes, this is a tragedy. Must have their primary values. This is a family, children, siblings. And then society, the state.

      These values ​​need to be transferred and educated. It is necessary to give them a definition and protect against encroachment.
      1. poquello
        poquello 9 January 2016 21: 48
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        Must have their primary values. This is a family, children, siblings. And then society, the state.

        it is also an ideology, those are a system of values, and ISIS has its own system of values ​​that allows you to completely manipulate the adherents of a given sect, and methods that allow you to involve people with weak values ​​in a sect
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 15
          +1
          poquelo

          Morality and ideology cannot be mixed.

          Morality is a grassroots, primary level of understanding.

          Ideology can and often destroys morality in order to achieve its goals.
          1. poquello
            poquello 10 January 2016 03: 18
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            poquelo
            Morality and ideology cannot be mixed.

            translation difficulties?

            The ideology of following generally accepted moral values ​​= This is a family, children, siblings. And then society, the state.

            The ideology of communism is the achievement of a classless society where spiritual values ​​are as valuable as they contribute to the tasks of the socialist revolution and the creation of a communist society.

            The ideology of fascism is the superiority of a nation and a state where spiritual values ​​have no value outside the state, to other nations or opponents of ideology
            and synthesized into a program for the development of the nation and state.

            The ideology of ISIS? ISIS is a sect, and sects are in opposition to any ideology except their own and have rigid dogmatic attitudes, hence the level of morality. Totalitarianism in sects rolls over, and you undertake to equalize.
    6. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 10 January 2016 13: 19
      0
      Quote: atalef
      A terrible thing, what could be worse than betraying your parents and killing your own mother? On the other hand - now everyone here is outraged by this bastard, but this is just the same Pavlik Morozov in the ISIS performance. What stupid and blind ideology and propaganda can lead to and this was not born with ISIS - hundreds and thousands of parents were extradited or killed by their children to the Civil, in Germany, the Nazis, during the years of repression. Unfortunately, this will not end until they understand one of the main commandments - almost their parents. IMHO

      No need to drag ISIS to social problems.
      ISIS does not advocate anything of social significance.
      To be against is the road to nowhere.
      Any ideology begins with the questions: In the name of what? And How?.
      Pavlik Morozov, due to the current situation, did not execute his father, but saved friends from bandits.
      Unfortunately, the father turned out to be a bandit, and that no one wants to understand. Pavlik had no idea, due to his inexperience, what would result from ...
      By the way, no one thinks about what would happen to Pavlik, if he was caught for eavesdropping, he would run, and they started shooting at him ...
      And then who would Pavlik’s father be ...
      Which, by virtue of his own political inexperience, had no idea what he got involved in and how his actions would affect his family ...

      And most importantly:
      Pavlik Morozov did not shoot his father. His hand would not rise ...

      The same applies to the Germans ... But there are those who are unworthy to live among people.
    7. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 10 January 2016 13: 58
      0
      Quote: atalef
      A terrible thing, what could be worse than betraying your parents and killing your own mother? On the other hand - now everyone here is outraged by this bastard, but this is just the same Pavlik Morozov in the ISIS performance. What stupid and blind ideology and propaganda can lead to and this was not born with ISIS - hundreds and thousands of parents were extradited or killed by their children to the Civil, in Germany, the Nazis, during the years of repression. Unfortunately, this will not end until they understand one of the main commandments - almost their parents. IMHO

      Here's an example:
      In the Moscow region, the official was accused of raping a 7-year-old granddaughter
      Law enforcers of the Moscow Region arrested a local official on suspicion of raping their own granddaughter. The mother of a 7-year-old girl reported the incident to the police. Information was provided by the Ren.tv portal. The woman said that for 7 months her father molested a schoolgirl, but then no one paid attention to this. Recently, an officer attacked a girl and raped her. The victim reported the incident to her mother, who reported her father to the police. Currently, a Moscow Region official is under arrest. It is worth noting that the accused is the head of the Combine on improvement and household services of the city of Lukhovitsy. For the deed, the man faces imprisonment, the term of which will be known after the trial.

      Source: http://svopi.ru/kriminalnie_novosti/80822-v-podmoskove-chinovnika-obvinili-v-izn
      asilovanii-7-letney-vnuchki.html ©

      If the above is true, the woman correctly sent her father to the jail for further improvement in entertainment techniques ...
  • valokordin
    valokordin 9 January 2016 17: 11
    +3
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Many have no way back.

    - It's not about the road. The fact is that this is simply NOT PEOPLE.

    It’s a pity for mother when she persuaded her son to run away, she thought about saving the life of this freak. It would be better if she had an abortion.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2016 18: 43
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Many have no way back.

    - It's not about the road. The fact is that this is simply NOT PEOPLE.

    matter in CHEMISTRY ...
  • vlad66
    vlad66 9 January 2016 14: 39
    19
    Then, at the direction of the management, he executed his own mother in front of hundreds of people under the windows of the post office where she worked.

    And these geeks are called people? Animals don’t act like that, Are they Muslims? There are no words. How the earth wears such monsters, they and their patrons will be damned. They must be crushed by everyone and those who support them. Horror.
    1. uyakub92
      uyakub92 9 January 2016 14: 48
      14
      but it’s not Muslims, it’s stupid enough to repeat this as murderers and scum without religion and nation trying to hide behind religion and repeating the name of Allah (the only thing they know) in their videos and setting the world up for hostility by religious principle. These are executioners in the hands of patrons from the west and their puppets of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 9 January 2016 14: 55
      19
      Quote: vlad66
      Are these Muslims?

      In all the religions of the world, there has never been and never will be forgiveness for such and will always be cursed by people and God. Here, in my hell, in hell, they are horrified by such two-legged animals. Where does the world go? It’s not even the Middle Ages, it’s a primitive world of some kind .
  • marna
    marna 9 January 2016 15: 47
    +7
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Or are they not humans ??

    They are savages.
    Islam has a special relation to women, and especially to mothers. “Paradise is at the feet of the mother” (Ahmad, Al-Nasai) - the gates of paradise are open to those who value and respect mothers.
    How is this ghoul going to go to heaven? !!! The mind cannot comprehend what is happening in their heads!
    1. fif21
      fif21 9 January 2016 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: marna
      How is this ghoul going to go to heaven? !!! The mind cannot comprehend what is happening in their heads!
      Sect of perverts, friends of Pol Pot. The UN must recognize them as beasts subject to destruction.
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    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 9 January 2016 20: 28
      +3
      Quote: marna
      They are savages.
      Islam has a special relation to women, and especially to mothers. “Paradise is at the feet of the mother” (Ahmad, Al-Nasai) - the gates of paradise are open to those who value and respect mothers.

      Loving a mother and respecting a woman are universal values, and above all, a heritage from savages. Matriarchy as a relationship developed earlier than patriarchy. And even stayed in different "corners" of the planet.
      It seems that this is a Persian proverb ““ A woman cannot be beaten even with flowers. ”And she definitely says what a man should not be.
      And, here about the special relation of Islam - this is a question. And the Muslims themselves must answer it. Why are they now under the banner of their religion atrocities, atrocities and terrorist killings around the world?
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 9 January 2016 15: 48
    -21 qualifying.
    Dr.Bo

    This is an ideology. Ideology leads to fanaticism. Self-sacrifice.

    When the USSR rose, the Communists led the foremost ideological detachment. Only the Communists were able to create a type of Stalinist socialism. Because it was necessary to know the goal and the desire for it, up to self-sacrifice. So in the war, the Communists went forward, including from behind, supporting attacks under the threat of their TTs. And if the first ones rose, and the rear ones did not attack, this means the first will die. And the attack will not reach the goal.

    This is self-sacrifice and fanaticism.

    Ask yourself why the USSR was a weak author?

    Because in the USSR there was a middle class of 95%. And the middle class had enough public transport. Only with the growth of revenues did they launch the budgetary auto industry. At the same time, the maximum that the state ALLOWED people are status cars, "Victory", "Volga". But no luxury. Maxim is a status for a leader.

    Why is that? Because ideology forbade to go beyond the middle class. This means a conclusion, ideology creates, but a conscious renunciation of one’s own needs, fanaticism is necessary.

    ISIS is building a state.
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      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 41
        +1
        Who wrote these verses? The link is not clear, i.e., one or the other is opened.
    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 9 January 2016 17: 39
      +1
      Now, now, you are well done. They untwisted me for a minus. What an ideology for the forest! You were there! Do you know his motives? Do you know everything about his mental health?
      But you are a hammer! It’s necessary to get a minus from me.
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 January 2016 17: 42
      +3
      Well, he’s climbing straight out of his skin, as he wants to drag by ears. One to the other, well, it doesn’t come out. Respected! There are resources in the global network where it is much easier to do, can you try there? Well, not a ride here! It's not gonna go!
    5. vlad-58
      vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: gladcu2
      Ask yourself why the USSR was a weak author?

      Because in the USSR there was a middle class of 95%. And the middle class had enough public transport. Only with the growth of revenues did they launch the budgetary auto industry. At the same time, the maximum that the state ALLOWED people are status cars, "Victory", "Volga". But no luxury. Maxim is a status for a leader.

      Why is that? Because ideology forbade to go beyond the middle class. This means a conclusion, ideology creates, but a conscious renunciation of one’s own needs, fanaticism is necessary.

      ISIS is building a state.

      And again - nooo!
      "Weak / by \" - the auto industry, obviously - which was not weak at all, but simply produced a very limited number personal light transport! The state, after all, was socially oriented - not on personal transport, but on public transport, which is both economically cheaper and less expensive in all other respects, and in general - any Western economist or specialist in the auto industry will tell you about the advantages - real, not ideological - public transport before personal! Where are your "4 formations"? ...
      ... by the way - both the USA and Canada have a superbly developed system public transport! and a personal "cool car" is an object of social status in a capitalist society (and even a gigantic infrastructure "plows" on it: fuel, auto chemicals, spare parts, road construction, safety ... If not for this infra -... hydrogen or some other bio-fuel ... electric vehicles!).
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 January 2016 23: 58
        0
        vlad-58

        Unfortunately, it is difficult to fit on one line. We have to give examples, but this is not always accessible to understanding.


        Not important living standards in Canada or in the United States. The presence of the middle class is important.

        In the USSR, the middle class was overwhelming, but the standard of living could be different. By the way, he was very high due to social guarantees.

        The lack of a middle class makes the country unstable. Subject to social explosions and the revival of ideology.
    6. Awaz
      Awaz 9 January 2016 19: 04
      0
      Ukrainians right now are also building a new state. Moreover, Bolshevik methods are clearly visible. But, the difference is that the Bolsheviks were smart enough to destroy all those bandits and thieves who initially joined the coup and the party. It was the Stalinist Communists who created the country and went in the forefront in attacks. Later, something went wrong.
      Those who build the state - they do not attack, they simply defend their idea and themselves too. The topic of the state is being pushed by their sponsors. Probably those who started this movement and had plans to build their own state, but they have been pushed into the background for a long time now and there are Wahhabis who are deeply offended by a state. The main goal of this organization is the war with Assad and Iran. Plus, they try to control any territories with weakened power or destroyed by American bombing.
      They may be in the future when they can (that is, they could) build some kind of state, but at the moment their task is simply to bring terror
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 9 January 2016 19: 26
        0
        Quote: AwaZ
        . The main goal of this organization is the war with Assad and Iran. Plus try to control any territory with weakened power or destroyed

        It has long been clear that this gang (Daesh) assembled by the United States, Israel, Turkey, CA and other "businessmen" from politics who, with their help, not only plunder Syria and Iraq (this is just a side effect) and kill all those who disagree, their goal is more and more difficult to destroy everything countries that act together with Russia and maintain peace and order in the region.
        And here our president, Vladimir Putin, is absolutely right in starting to help Syria and Iraq and supporting Iran and other forces in the East that are striving for stability and order in the region.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 02
        0
        Awaz

        When reviving countries, ideology is used. It does not matter what you call it, but it is important for the countries of the environment to understand what goals this ideology sets for itself. Which direction will the state be. How much his morality will correspond to the morality of his neighbors.

        Ukraine is not very with its neighbors .. Therefore, it is bad for everyone.
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 9 January 2016 16: 52
    0
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Many militants have no turning back. How to live with it? Or are they not humans ??

    Apparently, upbringing played its important role and the situation in the family.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 9 January 2016 18: 05
    +3
    Quote: dr.Bo
    Many militants have no turning back. How to live with it? Or are they not humans ??


    History repeats itself again. In Hitler's Germany, the Jugend denounced their relatives, who were then sent to concentration camps and gas chambers by the Gestapo. The same is repeated in the former Ukraine - the "Gestapo" - SBU works around the clock and seven days a week. Vasily Gritsak (klikuha Malyuta Skuratov) is spattered with blood to the ears.
  • venaya
    venaya 9 January 2016 14: 33
    10
    Quote: Black
    Something they themselves will start to cut Bosko!

    Gang entry felons chop - two way out! This case only confirms the well-known truth. Nothing is new ...
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 41
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      Gang entry felons chop - two way out!

      ... not two (rubles) - chervonets!
  • cniza
    cniza 9 January 2016 14: 33
    +9
    Quote: Black
    Something they themselves will start to cut Bosko! Just suddenly I thought to leave ISIS - I grab an ax and chop off my head off myself ... an animal. Devils in hell are already waiting for him!



    It happens, even children are executed.
    1. udincev
      udincev 9 January 2016 14: 35
      +8
      Quote: cniza
      It happens, even children are executed.

      Worse. Children are taught to kill (execute).
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 9 January 2016 14: 40
        +7
        Do we have Daesh supporters on our site? - Why are there so many minuses? Or is one for all fighting? Nuka still put a minus, I'll see how many of you are here! - Another drew!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 14: 47
          13
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Do we have Daesh supporters on our site? - Why are there so many minuses?

          Probably yes. This one does the komment in a row cons. His koment is below.
          Has Vitaz already joined ISIS?
          1. LÄRZ
            LÄRZ 9 January 2016 14: 59
            +4
            How to calculate?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 15: 08
              +4
              Quote: LÄRZ
              How to calculate?

              See you
              1. LÄRZ
                LÄRZ 9 January 2016 16: 19
                +3
                And whom and what else do you see?
                1. ssergn
                  ssergn 9 January 2016 16: 43
                  0
                  He is a moder. Alexander sees everything.
                2. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 9 January 2016 16: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: LÄRZ
                  And whom and what else do you see?

                  I will, apparently, reveal a big secret to you. Romanov is a moderator, he sees all the local movement. So to speak, "big brother is watching you". bully So be careful with Alexander laughing
                  1. LÄRZ
                    LÄRZ 9 January 2016 17: 41
                    +8
                    "Mother of your division!" That's what I got into ... Thank you for blinking your headlights.
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                    2. Weyland
                      Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 23
                      0
                      Quote: LÄRZ
                      Thank you for blinking headlights.


                      For the future: hover over any nickname on the forum and left-click - you get info about it. In particular, the third line is a group: visitor, moderator, admin ...
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    big brother is watching you


                    These are five (pluses)! Some kid censored insults me in every possible way (not to mention his stubborn propaganda of interethnic and interreligious hatred) - to Alexander Bajuzhe, and when I called this little one just stupid - just a warning (although in fact it was just a statement of fact - a person who does not know arithmetic and grammar cannot be called smart). For this minor is a Nashi, faithful friend and assistant to the ruling party am
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                    1. Ami du peuple
                      Ami du peuple 9 January 2016 18: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Weyland
                      For this minor is a Nashi, faithful friend and assistant to the ruling party

                      Well, firstly, do not duplicate posts. Be more attentive (by the way, I get the same garbage from a working computer - two comments in a row. Internet Explorer is to blame, isn’t it?) I didn’t manage to remove the double - you look silly sad
                      Secondly, do not get involved in discussions if your opponent is not personally interested in you. Especially when it provokes insults.
                      Thirdly, VO, although an open area, is, so to speak, patriotic and protective. This means that the policy of the administration and the moderators is appropriate. Freedom of opinion is encouraged, but should not be clearly shoveled against the tide. For this, other forums exist, if what bully
                      These are simple rules. Correct if I am mistaken. Yours faithfully hi
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                    3. Weyland
                      Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      Well, firstly, do not duplicate posts.


                      obviously the Internet Explorer duplicates constantly, I do not always manage to delete it! am There is still a dirty trick: there is such a muck not every time, and often first, one comment appears, and only after rebooting the branch you see that it was duplicated!
                      am
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      Secondly, do not get involved in the discussion if the opponent is not interesting to you personally. Especially when it provokes insults.


                      I have such a personal dislike for the ruling party in general and for the Nashi - in particular am , "I can't even eat"! laughing
                      So if he had the impudence and stupidity to hurt me - he will pay in full! I would ignore a simple juvenile cheek, but there is no mercy for the Nashi!

                      For example, I often plus you hi , although from your nickname with a soul turns (mindful of its first carrier) ...
                    4. Ami du peuple
                      Ami du peuple 9 January 2016 19: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Weyland
                      although from your nickname with a soul turns (mindful of its first carrier

                      First and last wink Konstantin, I agree that the nickname is quite provocative (well, for those who are in the subject). I am not at all a fan of Jean-Paul Marat and his methods, but "friend of the people" still sounds cool. bully
                  4. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 10
                    0
                    Ami de people

                    I support your statement. The request of the moderators to introduce restrictions on the volume of comments. Limit to a reasonable minimum of 200 characters. Prohibit copying of voluminous texts.

                    Stop flooding. Clogging the information field with information not related to the topic of the post. This is fantastic, but this must be sought.

                    Special thanks to the Russian Federation for the right to speak out. Since I understand the resource VO under the protection of the state.
  • uyakub92
    uyakub92 9 January 2016 14: 42
    +4
    it is filth without a soul and hell is the most suitable place for them. and thanks to our pilots heroes for delivering this world from these creatures
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  • Darkoff
    Darkoff 9 January 2016 15: 14
    11
    Here is such rabble gathered there. Ss ... coons, who for the sake of their own skin are ready to solve their mother.
    This I mean that he just forgot that someone would find out about the mood of his mother and he would be executed with her. So I handed it over. And in order to "prove loyalty" to the Caliphate, he himself executed (ordered or volunteered himself - not so important).
    How will he continue to live after that? I hope he doesn’t have much time left.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 9 January 2016 16: 03
      +4
      Quote: DarkOFF
      Here is such rabble gathered there

      Both the appearance of ISIS and similar methods are not a coincidence, it is a well-planned and well-organized organization. I think the attempt to call it precisely the ISLAMIC STATE is not accidental. full development, but it turned out to pit Shiites and Sunnis. In essence, it is necessary to look for those to whom these pseudo-religious organizations bring the main benefit.
      There is a lot of controversy on VO how to deal with the ideology of ISIS and what proposals do not consider with such an ideology you can only fight with "fire and sword", because there is simply no other option. Look how quickly the ideology of fascism returned, thanks to some countries, it seemed defeated forever
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 30
        0
        APASUS

        You are right in the name of the organization penetrated the sacred word STATE. The state cannot evoke negative emotions.

        Apparently therefore renamed.
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 9 January 2016 16: 24
    -4
    That 16,5 thousand soldiers with aviation, armored vehicles and artillery cannot calm down these "rebels"? I will never believe it. So it is not beneficial to anyone. soldier
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 9 January 2016 16: 37
    0
    Quote: Black
    animal

    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Non-humans

    There is nothing worse than fanatics ...
    Quote: Black
    The devils in hell are waiting for him

    ... and their worst subspecies religious fanatics ...
    Quote: Dembel 77
    This geek has nothing to do with either Islam or any other religion.

    It has. Even as it has ...
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 9 January 2016 16: 58
    +4
    Quote: Black
    Devils in hell are waiting for him!

    I'm afraid for the devils in hell, after such an event, and the devils from hell will flee from such clients. Hell will remain without employees))))
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 9 January 2016 17: 02
      0
      - You somehow started discussing this "news" very hotly. The link to the primary source - some "human rights activists" ... have you already forgotten what kind of people they are? Have you forgotten what exactly they tell about Russia and the fate of a person in Russia? Faith these thralls - not a penny.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 9 January 2016 17: 08
        0
        - I couldn't find this material at all on the original site. Very similar to "fake". Maybe someone will share a direct link?
  • Uran
    Uran 9 January 2016 17: 37
    -3
    many igilovtsy kill their parents for the apostasy of their belief beliefs. even in the Caucasus, children do not listen to their parents when they discourage their children about the dangers of igil. it is accepted from them.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 9 January 2016 17: 39
      0
      Quote: Uranus
      many igilovtsy kill their parents for the apostasy of their belief beliefs.


      - First-hand information? Have you personally witnessed hundreds of brutal executions? Or are you just talking nonsense, because ... The Internet and that’s it - experts?
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 35
        0
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        Have you personally witnessed hundreds of brutal executions? Or just talking nonsense because ... the Internet


        Do not hurt the crap, it hurts!
        Of course - we all personally witnessed hundreds of brutal executions, because ... ISIS have posted them on the Internet without fail!
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 9 January 2016 18: 37
          0
          Quote: Weyland
          Do not hurt the crap, it hurts!
          Of course - we all personally witnessed hundreds of brutal executions, because ... ISIS have posted them on the Internet without fail!


          - Executions - yes, reprisals against journalists and non-believers - yes, cruel torture of "traitors" - again yes, but where are the records of executions of hundreds of parents of ISIS fighters? The comrade above is talking about exactly this, they say, to finish off a mother or father for an ISIL member is almost a matter of honor, but where did he get this? Where was it seen?
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    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 9 January 2016 18: 16
      +4
      Quote: Uranus
      in the Caucasus, children do not listen to their parents

      Here you are already lying! Apparently, you were not in the Caucasus or were only in resorts. And I was born there and spent my childhood. So in the Caucasus, the word parents means much more than any secular laws and guidelines.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2016 18: 38
    0
    The son reported this to the command, and the woman was arrested.

    Then, at the direction of the management, he executed his own mother in front of hundreds of people under the windows of the post office where she worked.
    confuse ... but no. compassion? ... also not .. what is happening in the world, I don’t understand, it’s probably time to wind up the project "earth". heart warms, the next project, perhaps on our "primates", will create a more adequate individual ... and so ... do not feel sorry for the living ... hi
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 9 January 2016 18: 42
    0
    The devils in hell are waiting for him!


    Why are you !! They will evict the devils from there. The devils themselves are already horrified ....
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 9 January 2016 21: 29
    0
    Animals, with very rare exceptions, do not commit suicide. And nonhumans should be called as they deserve it, ghouls, for example.
  • jaguar
    jaguar 10 January 2016 00: 58
    -1
    . animal .... do not offend animals
  • one
    one 10 January 2016 10: 00
    -1
    and we have ... gas in the apartment ...
    negative
    http://www.mediametrics.ru/rating/ru/online.html?article=59029525

    wild?
    you read our news ...
    then the girls "fall out" of the windows, then the doctors kill the patients, then the doctors' patients shoot them, then in general some kind of wild crap ...
    all the time!
    what’s most interesting is the term that threatens the mother’s killer, just 15 years!
    sometimes it seems to me that Russians are more likely to plague themselves!
    with the full connivance of the rulers.
  • Sharikov.P.P
    Sharikov.P.P 10 January 2016 16: 18
    -2
    What the hell, in what hell? All the devils are in Daesh, and hell is now in the Middle East.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 9 January 2016 14: 27
    +6
    But isn’t there such a thing in Islam as honor your mother and your father !? After that, there is almost no doubt that the United States is still conducting experiments on the introduction of psychotropic drugs on human beings, there is no other way to explain. Here he is the perfect soldier.
    1. The black
      The black 9 January 2016 14: 30
      +8
      Religion has little to do with it, it’s different - a brutal essence at the genetic level.
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 9 January 2016 14: 55
        +3
        I think all the same zombies, not genetically. These fanatics are ready to destroy all humanity indiscriminately, if the imams say that among people Satan ...
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 January 2016 14: 57
        +2
        So I'm not talking about religion in general, but about the essence of the name of a pseudo state; the act itself defames the name!
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    2. Weyland
      Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 53
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      But isn’t there such a thing in Islam as honor your mother and your father !?


      There is, but with one caveat: they should not be disobeyed only in one case - when they call you to apostasy. ISIS simply interpret this point arbitrarily broad.
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  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 9 January 2016 14: 27
    12
    I changed my mother to forty paradise houri. But I do not think that Allah will approve such an act. There will be forty freak syphilitic addicts from Leningradka to this freak. And scorched vodka instead of fine wine.
    In general, all this is scary. God-resisting and misanthropic ideology finds many supporters.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 9 January 2016 15: 02
      0
      "... I changed my own mother for forty paradise houris ..."
      Always interested in the question: forty guri ...! belay Is it for one?! Pisyun then stand it ?! Here the wife and two lovers force themselves to keep in shape at the age of 54: nuts, mussels, pike caviar and elk liver stroganin, and, here it’s forty! Brute force! Although, if we attract pink-cheeked old brutal old people from among our neighbors, we can handle it. repeat But, only here on Earth, and not in what incomprehensible jihadist paradise ...
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 9 January 2016 16: 31
        +6
        Yes there are no gurus in paradise.
        From the point of view of religion, one can recall from the Gospel of Mark ch. 12, when Jesus clarifies that in heaven they will not marry, nor will they marry.
        Incidentally, in Islam Jesus is revered by the prophet Isa. Guria in paradise is not consistent with religion.
        So that with the guria complete bummer.
        A person may have such a state when he does not fully feel his body, but at the same time fully perceives the surrounding environment, even sees everything, only he can neither move nor speak. Those. perhaps the human mind is something that can exist separately from the physical body. The Gospel of John begins "In the beginning there was a word, and the word was with God, and the word was God," but the speech of a person is how psychologists and doctors consider it, an indicator of brain function, i.e. the Gospel speaks of the emergence of a human mind and the existence of a higher mind of God, as a kind of information and energy field, of which the human mind is a part. A person is not perfect, but he must strive for improvement, be reasonable in each of his actions. Here the human mind is part of intelligent life. Together with the body, all emotions, pain, fear, suffering go away - feelings are inherent only in a living person, but not inherent in the mind. People, making a responsible decision, calm down so that the decision is correct.
        So, these creatures from the IG are not only non-religious, but also not intelligent, and you cannot attribute them to normal people.
      2. vlad-58
        vlad-58 9 January 2016 18: 53
        +2
        Quote: ALABAY45
        "... I changed my own mother for forty paradise houris ..."
        Always interested in the question: forty guri ...!

        this is no paradise! and the houris "eternal virgins" are not angels for sexual pleasures ...
        ..a demons, called in mythology succubi (female sex demon; male - incubus)! A strange paradise - with succubi ...
        It never crossed my mind - why in Islam at the top of the minaret is the moon? Is this an appeal to night? ... to the powers of darkness? ...
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 9 January 2016 19: 09
          0
          Vlad, in fact, if you quote "Notre Dame Mosque", it is considered correct to refer to the original source. hi
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    3. Weyland
      Weyland 9 January 2016 18: 58
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      But I do not think that Allah will approve such an act. There will be forty freak syphilitic addicts from Leningradka


      Why? Chudinova wrote in detail on the theme of the hourias in the "Mosque of Notre Dame".
      Firstly, there are not 40, but 72. And each wife, according to Sharia, has at least one "night of love" per week"(this duty does not apply to concubines). So consider: a dozen huries every night - and it will be, as in an old joke: "15 minutes have not passed yet!" laughing
    4. gladcu2
      gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 23
      0
      Ami du people

      Do you work for likes?

      Any ideology is dangerous. But at the same time, ideology can be creative.

      It is possible that after this article, many will understand what morality is and what ideology is. Morality and ideology are the berries of one field.

      Ideology can kill morality. But the life of ideology gives morality.
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    1. little girl15
      little girl15 9 January 2016 15: 16
      +1
      Is this what ISIS agents wound up on this site? Minus-only worth a dime!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 15: 25
        +2
        Is this what ISIS agents wound up on this site? Minus-only worth a dime!
        Not necessarily just them. Under the guise of settling their scores. What if they think about the "agent".
  • udincev
    udincev 9 January 2016 14: 27
    +7
    So give birth to such ...
    But this, for sure, is not Islam ... DAISH Anglo-Saxon-Turkish!
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 9 January 2016 14: 28
    +2
    Patient approx.
  • vitaz
    vitaz 9 January 2016 14: 29
    -38 qualifying.
    an article with belated news is unknown to anyone and for what
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 14: 49
      +6
      Quote: vitaz
      an article with belated news is unknown to anyone and for what

      You are not distracted, continue to minus all.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 9 January 2016 14: 51
        +6
        I’m trying not to set cons at all, but here with such pleasure ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          and here with such pleasure ...

          Wait a minute, he’ll say it’s not me.
    2. nrex
      nrex 9 January 2016 15: 12
      +5
      Not when it's not too late to think about the main thing. A woman who gave birth to a baby and nurtured him, did she think that this would be so? In full, this tragedy can be realized by people of the older generation, mothers and fathers, who raised and raised at least one generation. It's horrible !
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 15: 19
        +9
        Quote: nrex
        A woman who gave birth to a baby and nurtured him, did she think that this would be so?

        In Moscow, recently, a juvenile scumbag of wealthy parents also killed his mother. This time has come, evil rules the world. And every year the number of people killed in the world is growing exponentially. Then it will be more fun. The world can save, only the spiritual component, and this is not even visible on the horizon.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 9 January 2016 15: 52
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: nrex
          A woman who gave birth to a baby and nurtured him, did she think that this would be so?

          In Moscow, recently, a juvenile scumbag of wealthy parents also killed his mother. This time has come, evil rules the world. And every year the number of people killed in the world is growing exponentially. Then it will be more fun. The world can save, only the spiritual component, and this is not even visible on the horizon.

          As you are right Alexander unfortunately .... hi
          Such devils can only be soaked, and then the spiritual component (who remains), otherwise nothing!
        2. LÄRZ
          LÄRZ 9 January 2016 16: 30
          +7
          There is such an expression: "Soaked up with mother's milk." In fact, all human moral foundations are laid in childhood. In family. And not with the words "this is not possible, but this is possible", but an example of their behavior. And if the child sees how the father beats the mother, then he remembers this as the norm. Spirituality begins in the family.
        3. padded jacket
          padded jacket 9 January 2016 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In Moscow, recently, a juvenile scumbag of wealthy parents also killed his mother

          Unfortunately, such cases occur not only with us:
          Murder in Tel Aviv
          A 41-year-old resident of Tel Aviv, who escaped from places of detention, is suspected of a new crime - the brutal murder of his 63-year-old mother, killed on April 14 as a result of a quarrel with her son in her apartment on Namir Street.
          http://www.7kanal.co.il/News/Flash.aspx/224419

          And if the incident about which you spoke and I brought about occurred under the influence of drugs, or these people were just crazy, then what the terrorist did DAYISH did not understand at all. How is it necessary to zombie a person so that he can accomplish this I can not even imagine.
        4. vlad-58
          vlad-58 9 January 2016 19: 01
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          every year the number of people killed in the world is growing exponentially. Then it will be more fun. The world can save, only the spiritual component, and this is not even visible on the horizon.

          I read it somewhere - people are ringing, and animals are humanizing! Goat with a tiger ...
          Monkeys - chimpanzees, gorillas - cannot speak, maximum - ten words; the speech apparatus physiologically does not allow ... But the gesture and sound-intonation symbols - several tens of thousands in their "dictionary"! The average office manager has an order of magnitude less ...
          ... the main thing is that these monkeys (I'm not talking about managers!) seem to like to "gossip" about people ...
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 10 January 2016 00: 26
        -1
        nrex

        You called this murder a tragedy. Not many people think the same way you do. So your morality does not correspond to their understanding.

        I also called this murder a tragedy.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 January 2016 15: 26
      +4
      And you, plunger, first-hand news?
  • Olfred
    Olfred 9 January 2016 14: 29
    +3
    there is nothing holy in these devils ...
  • deleter24
    deleter24 9 January 2016 14: 30
    +4
    Will get a hat someday ... very soon. All terrorists at one time receive a hat.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 January 2016 14: 31
    +6
    Such evil spirits on earth should not be. Burn with hot iron ... am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 January 2016 15: 22
      +3
      No, better Termite - a light of 3000 degrees and will not leave bones.
  • The black
    The black 9 January 2016 14: 32
    +3
    Middle Ages. And they want this to happen all over the world. How then to treat them? And after all, there are those who still do not understand why we got into Syria.
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  • avva2012
    avva2012 9 January 2016 14: 33
    +5
    Pavlik Morozov passed his dad because he rowdied and beat his mother. There the opposite situation, it was the grandfather and uncle killed their relative. And here, of course, is generally beyond. Oriental flavor, so to speak. If this goes on, a new classification will be introduced in science: the beast-man-not-man-fighter DAISH.
    1. The black
      The black 9 January 2016 14: 35
      +8
      The results of a journalistic investigation by Evgenia Medyakova published in the Ural magazine in 1982 show that Pavel Morozov was not involved in the arrest of his father. The arrest of Trofim Morozov was the result of a check of holders of fake certificates ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 15: 00
        +2
        Then it turns out grandfather and uncle, in general for "just like that" they stabbed him?
        There is information that where Pavel lived, there could not have been hidden grain, in principle (based on the official version), since these were immigrants (kulaks) and they were prohibited from farming. Pavel's father, so to speak, lived in two families, did not work, but periodically came to the first family and, as they said, "rowdy".
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 January 2016 14: 41
      13
      Coloring? No color. Do you think there are other kids in "Right Sector" or "Azov"? You are wrong. All they have to do is convince them that their mother is "vata", which is as easy as shelling pears. Now let's estimate how many such "kids" in the world raised by sects (religious, political, economic, environmental, etc.), funded by the "Democracy Support Fund" and other similar organizations ..? And how many are there in Russia? Do you think not a lot? Look around, take a closer look ... Personally, I'm scared, sometimes it becomes ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 January 2016 15: 08
        +2
        What is not much, of course enough. It’s just that they still have a specific contingent. Not everyone, even if you tell him what to do with the brains, will kill the mother. Therefore, the number of such organizations is limited, at least, by natural causes. I hope that it’s also unnatural (special services).
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 9 January 2016 16: 15
          +3
          I also really hope so.
      2. fif21
        fif21 9 January 2016 16: 43
        +5
        Quote: Observer 33
        And how many are there in Russia? Think not a lot? Look around, take a closer look ... Personally, I'm scared, sometimes it becomes ...
        Unfortunately, there are people in Russia too, reports from the Ministry of Internal Affairs are a terrible thing — they were killed, raped, and beaten — mother, grandmother, sister, daughter! What is the world heading for? And the death penalty was abolished - humanists am
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 January 2016 16: 51
          +1
          Yes, not humanists, but tolerasts. In fact, the death penalty does not solve many issues, only if he has not yet transferred his genes to anyone. I think the descendants of such degenerates should also be monitored, if they left them of course.
        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 9 January 2016 18: 50
          0
          But we still remember a society in which these nonhumans were many times less, yes, that there at times, they were one.
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      4. vlad-58
        vlad-58 9 January 2016 19: 09
        0
        Quote: Observer 33
        how many such "kids" in the world raised by sects (religious, political, economic, environmental, etc.), funded by the "Democracy Support Fund" and other similar organizations ..? And how many are there in Russia? Do you think not a lot? Look around, take a closer look ... Personally, I'm scared, sometimes it becomes ...

        ... scary?
        ... our mind gave us steel arms-wings ... and the right motor! and AK-47 - at least - into the same hands ... and "Pecheneg" (I liked this machine at the training camp! ...) ... and much more! ...
  • alone
    alone 9 January 2016 14: 38
    12
    This once again proves that Daesh has nothing to do with Islam and Islam as a whole. They are subject to complete destruction.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 9 January 2016 16: 17
      11
      Quote: lonely
      This once again proves that Daesh has nothing to do with Islam and Islam as a whole. They are subject to complete destruction.

      Here, Omar agrees! Water such devils only and who helps them from the heart!
      Our liberals would be so, but alas ..... (joke))) bully
      1. alone
        alone 9 January 2016 18: 10
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Our liberals would be so, but alas ..... (joke)))

        You have a half-government liberals. Again I wanted to be privates Vitaliy)))

        By the way, you would have to go a little longer to get to the marshals as soon as possible))) And you somehow wilted))) wassat
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 9 January 2016 18: 25
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Our liberals would be so, but alas ..... (joke)))

          You have a half-government liberals. Again I wanted to be privates Vitaliy)))

          By the way, you would have to go a little longer to get to the marshals as soon as possible))) And you somehow wilted))) wassat

          No need to threaten me .. Omar! I am what I am, was and will be ... hi And you, who's in the government? To tell you the truth, Mutnyak ... We bought weapons for 4 billion, so what? Who is this weapon for?
          1. alone
            alone 9 January 2016 19: 15
            +1
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I am what I am, was and will be ...


            I know Vitaliy! Hurray, patriot you! And I know that you can’t change)) you have the wrong age to change your character)))

            Quote: MIKHAN
            No need to threaten me .. Lobster!


            Threaten? I don’t see the point. I’m not a Moder, so that you can be demoted))) I just advise))


            Quote: MIKHAN
            And you, who's in the government? Mutnyak there, to be honest ...


            Our government has the same thing as you. One crook to thieves)))
            and no mutnyak. long-known fact. but not liberals, it's 100%)))

            Quote: MIKHAN
            Weapons purchased for 4 billion, so what? Who is this weapon for?


            For power structures of the republic. For the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs, State Security Service and the State Fire Service. Do you think 4billion weapons are bought for a chamber orchestra?))))))
            1. MIKHAN
              MIKHAN 9 January 2016 19: 36
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              Quote: MIKHAN
              Weapons purchased for 4 billion, so what? Who is this weapon for?


              For power structures of the republic. For the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs, State Security Service and the State Fire Service. Do you think 4billion weapons are bought for a chamber orchestra?))))))

              You correctly caught my thought ..

              Quote: lonely
              Our government has the same thing as you. One crook to thieves)))
              and no mutnyak. long-known fact. but not liberals, it's 100%)))

              Thieves and crooks, but not liberals ... heh heh
              And then who? bully Basmachi? laughing
              1. alone
                alone 9 January 2016 20: 15
                +1
                Quote: MIKHAN
                Thieves and crooks, but not liberals ... heh heh
                And then who? Basmachi?


                Thieves Vitaliy, thieves. Thieves do not have nationality, religion or political affiliation. Thieves are thieves in Africa.
  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 9 January 2016 14: 40
    -2
    Are everyone sure that this is true? And not a propaganda move. I can’t believe it, something ... A journalistic fraternity is capable of everything if they make a denyuzhku.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 January 2016 14: 50
      +2
      Who cares? It was? Is not a fact. Could it have been in Raqqa under the existing regime? Yes. Fact.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 9 January 2016 15: 21
      +1
      They are not capable of that.
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    4. igor67
      igor67 9 January 2016 18: 10
      +2
      Quote: Oprychnik
      Are everyone sure that this is true? And not a propaganda move. I can’t believe it, something ... A journalistic fraternity is capable of everything if they make a denyuzhku.

      Why not? Everyone forgot that this is the East, and the secular way of life does not matter, the woman here has no rights. A simple example I work with Druze (also Muslim Arabs and Christians) for them if the man falls in love and marries a friend he is expelled from the village, the woman’s fate is the same as that of this unfortunate woman, recently friends hanged his daughter in the center of the village for falling in love Muslim, police? Half the Druze police, full of generals and other ranks,
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 9 January 2016 19: 10
        +1
        Well yes. This is from the series that Comrade Kim baited his own uncle with dogs, and shot his own choir to them. Korean Pyatnitsky from machine guns. Think first, who needs it. One grandmother said, but now it’s already in VO ...
        This is to be feared. "What is your evidence?"
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 9 January 2016 19: 34
          +1
          Yes. They also forgot to add that the son, by his own initiative, cut and ate the heart of his mother. For greater persuasiveness. People! At least part of the convolutions you have left? What you do not fart, you smell everything!
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 9 January 2016 14: 41
    +3
    Very revealing. One fanaticism + hashishogeroin or something even trickier from the USA! But after all, insight will come — when the videoconferencing system cuts off the channels of receipt of this potion — then there will come a universal howl! Inhumans, definitely!
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 9 January 2016 14: 42
    +7
    Middle Ages, b..t! hi And they want this to happen all over the world. How then to treat them? And after all, there are those who still do not understand why we got into Syria ...
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 9 January 2016 15: 07
      -9
      I still don’t understand why we got into Syria - crazy to re-educate? so this is the fight against windmills, we have enough of them at home - recently there have been several cases of family killings. Why do we still have to deal with Arab maniacs?
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 9 January 2016 15: 13
        10
        Do you want the army of these Arab maniacs to knock first on your neighbor and then on you? I would not want it to be so ...
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 9 January 2016 17: 50
        +4
        That would not let the maniacs build their manic state. Once here they allowed the robbers to build their own, now the whole world is up to the top booty. Although maniacs can stop in time ...
  • vobels
    vobels 9 January 2016 14: 42
    +3
    Some geeks, scumbags. It is necessary to exterminate them, without regret.
  • DREDD
    DREDD 9 January 2016 14: 46
    +4
    The beast. The stupidest humanoid animals on the planet kill their mothers, on the orders of American manipulators, to burn them without pity.
  • Old Schweik
    Old Schweik 9 January 2016 14: 47
    +3
    Zombie. It would be on the laboratory table, for vivisection. There probably is nothing from a person.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 9 January 2016 14: 54
    +4
    World has gone mad.
  • Belarus
    Belarus 9 January 2016 14: 56
    +5
    It’s even difficult to call such a creature an animal. It’s not even a zombie, it’s something otherworldly, something much more terrible than ordinary evil. It’s necessary not only to destroy it, but also to make this creature suffer before death. Yes, if you want, then carry out the rite exorcism or whatever it is called.
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 9 January 2016 14: 58
    +5
    Burn him in hell! am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 January 2016 15: 27
      +3
      Good luck to this Monster with a direct hit of a bomb or a rocket and all these bits that are next to it - so that they would scatter into pieces.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 9 January 2016 15: 00
    +2
    They have lost their minds, these are not people ... This beast must turn to dust.
  • nrex
    nrex 9 January 2016 15: 02
    +3
    I do not know how to comment on this. Everything that you can’t say is clearly not enough. After this, people do not live long, he made his choice, I think those who were nearby at that moment made their choice. A very sad story.
  • Balagan
    Balagan 9 January 2016 15: 12
    +1
    Better than Pavlik Morozov, however ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 January 2016 15: 15
      +6
      True, do not need cliches, do not touch Paul. This is not comparable.
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 9 January 2016 15: 21
        0
        Taras Bulba in the ISIS interpretation - "You gave birth to me, and I will kill you."
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 9 January 2016 15: 13
    +4
    To what extent does a person need to be brainwashed to turn into such a thing? To kill the one who gave you life ... To understand how this brainwashing is done, but against its drugs (at least).
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 9 January 2016 15: 19
    +3
    I do not know the article plus or minus. Personally, I am in shock .. For my mother, the whole igil would have been converted to small gravel, I would have concluded a contract with Satan, but my mother had saved ... The kingdom of heaven to a woman, rest in peace.
    What kind of animals they are is a gun (((destroy, all.
  • awersa
    awersa 9 January 2016 15: 22
    +4
    These individuals (they can’t be called people) eat, wed and kill .... that's all! They can’t even be called animals - animals are killed for food, and these monsters are for pleasure !!!
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 9 January 2016 16: 34
      +6
      And animals do not kill their own kind in such numbers.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 9 January 2016 15: 39
    +2
    In Daesh, people with altered consciousness, which translates into monstrous acts. Thousands of Ishilovites must answer for one such monster with their gut. No mercy.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 9 January 2016 15: 50
    +2
    This is an example of the action of the perverted brainwashing — how a person can be made into a humanoid monster for whom even the holy word mother is an empty phrase. And how many of these have fled from Syria now? These entities will still show themselves — they will shed a lot of human blood.
  • Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 9 January 2016 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: LÄRZ
    To what extent does a person need to be brainwashed to turn into such a thing? To kill the one who gave you life ... To understand how this brainwashing is done, but against its drugs (at least).

    Are there many brains in twenty years? There is nothing to rinse. To give an idea in the teeth, no matter how vile it is, and forward to achievements beyond the horizon. Mom, speak? Take a walk along the street and listen to how sometimes snotty little girls talk with their mothers when the latter refused to buy any garbage. We take such a kid twenty years old, give the machine gun in hand and a good idea in the head, and that's it - the motivated action movie is ready. Found something to be surprised.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 9 January 2016 19: 28
      0
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Are there many brains in twenty years? There is nothing to rinse. Give an idea in the teeth, no matter how vile it is, and forward to achievements beyond the horizon


      At 20 already. They start with 13-15-year-olds - it is at this age that the authority of the parents is minimal for the salags, and the authority of the "tough boys" is maximal. Especially those who show outward respect for you, praise you for what your parents condemn ...
      There is a good book "The Chosen One" (by Nik. Vl. Blokhin) - there it is well described how in the 20s the Bolsheviks washed the heads of teenagers.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 9 January 2016 19: 28
      0
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Are there many brains in twenty years? There is nothing to rinse. Give an idea in the teeth, no matter how vile it is, and forward to achievements beyond the horizon


      At 20 already. They start with 13-15-year-olds - it is at this age that the authority of the parents is minimal for the salags, and the authority of the "tough boys" is maximal. Especially those who show outward respect for you, praise you for what your parents condemn ...
      There is a good book "The Chosen One" (by Nik. Vl. Blokhin) - there it is well described how in the 20s the Bolsheviks washed the heads of teenagers.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 January 2016 15: 59
    +1
    In people's brains turned upside down! And all because, see the head was empty. Fanaticism however! It is easier to live with fanaticism. No need to think. There are all ready-made recipes.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 9 January 2016 16: 03
    +3
    Killing a mother is through no means ... I don’t think that any God will accept him in heaven. I was puffed up (at VO), like why the bomb I was wrong .. I need to bomb 2 times more so that more such articles do not appear.
  • BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 9 January 2016 16: 42
    +3
    Somewhere around 2000, while drinking a glass of tea, one military pensioner (colonel) predicted with a great deal of confidence ... that a new world war would occur between the north and south, "Christians" and "Muslims." Then I did not agree with him. Now I am already beginning to doubt this issue. And tomorrow, having dissolved Europe, the "southerners" can become a real threat. At the moment, they are quite specifically motivated. The Caliphate.
    Only they do not fully understand one "little thing" ... everything they use, from batteries to tanks, is a product of a white civilization. And in the next 500 years they will not invent anything of their own. But they are quite capable of driving the planet into the Middle Ages.
    So far, the "white civilization" sorts Muslims into good and bad.
    But when the massacre and hysteria begin, pogroms will sweep away everyone ...
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 9 January 2016 18: 34
      +3
      Dear You mistakenly think that there is a "war of civilizations", in fact, there is a DESTRUCTION OF GEOPOLITICAL COMPETITORS by pushing them blunt foreheads. The last three times it was France (Napoleon), Germany (Bismarck, Hitler) against Russia, the USSR. Now it seems that they do not bet on Germany (the Germans have become completely impotent with the loss of two times the gene pool), so they are betting on Muslims against Russia (they know how Russia has always been difficult to fight with frostbitten people from warm lands) ... But the puppeteers, as always, will be stand "above the fight" and join when it becomes clear who they are carrying ...
  • Weyland
    Weyland 9 January 2016 17: 02
    +4
    Pavlik Morozov is resting!

    I remembered:
    Imam Shamil once sentenced his mother to a hundred stick blows for bribery. After the fifth blow, the woman fell, and Shamil ordered the remaining 95 sticks to be counted out ... for himself (and specially ordered to hit in full force)!
    150 years ago, Islamic terrorists were still not so frostbitten ...
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 9 January 2016 17: 19
      +9
      Quote: Weyland
      I remembered:
      Imam Shamil once sentenced his mother to a hundred stick blows for bribery. After the fifth blow, the woman fell, and Shamil ordered the remaining 95 sticks to be counted out ... for himself (and specially ordered to hit in full force)!
      150 years ago, Islamic terrorists were still not so frostbitten ...

      This is the Caucasus, and everything is different there ... Arabs did not take root there and Glory be to Allah! And the rest, we'll figure it out, we live in Russia and we need to stick together! hi The time is now ...
    2. The black
      The black 9 January 2016 17: 44
      +4
      Sorry, Konstantin, I'll fix it a bit. Indeed it was, only they sentenced her not for bribery, but for asking for one of the villages, which Shamil considered traitors. So he announced the punishment - for betrayal. (although, of course, in fact it was not on her part)
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      2. Weyland
        Weyland 9 January 2016 19: 02
        +1
        Quote: Black
        asked for one of the villages, which Shamil considered traitors.


        EMNIP, they accused her of not asking unselfishly, but receiving "gifts" from the representatives of this village. The subtlety is that gifts in those places are a common sign of respect, but if desired, they can be interpreted as a bribe ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 9 January 2016 17: 07
    +3
    Everyone who is going to Daesh or returning from there,
    plant and for a long time, scum do not need to feel sorry and re-educate.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 9 January 2016 17: 09
    +4
    Cheerful bearded guys know how to have fun. A sort of antipode of Taras Bulba. The classic had - "I gave birth to you, I will kill you" 'and the cheerful bearded guys - "you gave birth to me, and I will execute you."
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 January 2016 17: 11
    +3
    This monster would have to immediately cut off his head without trial and investigation! Such people and the like should not exist for a second.
  • prishelec
    prishelec 9 January 2016 17: 19
    +2
    To collect these monsters in one heap, and to pass through a large meat grinder in a place with their owners.
    1. Hairy Siberian
      Hairy Siberian 9 January 2016 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: prishelec
      To collect these monsters in one heap, and to pass through a large meat grinder in a place with their owners.

      belay
      Nikita Sergeevich. I think this is the case when you need to show "Kuz'kina's Mother".
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 January 2016 22: 06
        +1
        We no longer have the AN602 bomb and never will.
  • zone44
    zone44 9 January 2016 18: 17
    +4
    These types do not apply to Islam. These are geeks from American dollars, I will do what the host scriptwriter and director will tell them.
    According to the hadiths transmitted by al-Bukhari and Muslim, disrespect for parents, their insult, oppression, causing them torment and resentment is considered a grave sin. This sin is mentioned in one context, along with giving Allah a companion and killing a person.
    On Judgment Day, Allah will not grant His grace to oppressing his parents - he will not even feel the scent of Paradise, Paradise will be forbidden to him, his good deeds will not be accepted, and disasters and sorrows quickly overtake him, Allah curses him.
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 9 January 2016 18: 20
    +1
    If he had not executed, then HIM AND MOTHER AND ALL RELATIVES would be executed ... Chose the lesser (?) Of evils? But if this is done BELIEF (!), Then it will be VERY DIFFICULT and long to fight against such people (until you kill everyone)!
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 9 January 2016 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: atamankko
      Everyone who is going to Daesh or returning from there,
      plant and for a long time, scum do not need to feel sorry and re-educate.


      There is a slight amendment to the procedure. Put only those who gathered there, and keep at the expense of relatives. Well, and who is already there - canceling a passport with all that it implies. It’s cruel, yes, it’s cruel, but if this is not done, they will die even more, and it is not yet known what will come of it.
  • 31rus
    31rus 9 January 2016 18: 52
    0
    dear, I’m generally interested in the approach, the demonstration of mass executions, these are the articles, but tell me the purpose of all this? I don’t understand if this is counter propaganda, then show rapists and thugs, intimidate an adult with this, just don’t sow, save youth is still a moot point, so why?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 January 2016 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: 31rus
      dear, I’m generally interested in the approach, the demonstration of mass executions, these are the articles, but tell me the purpose of all this? I don’t understand if this is counter propaganda, then show rapists and thugs, intimidate an adult with this, just don’t sow, save youth is still a moot point, so why?

      Such as you reveal .. Satisfies the answer? ... Joke! But seriously, then remember our boys who went to Grozny openly, in columns ... and then what was done to them ... No need to hysteria here! They write everything correctly, you need to know who we are dealing with ...
      1. 31rus
        31rus 9 January 2016 22: 26
        -1
        That's just you and hysteria, to understand and advertise different things, cruelty in war, this is one thing, but to paint psychopaths of any kind is another, regardless of "everyday life" or a militant DAISH
  • Friends
    Friends 9 January 2016 19: 07
    +3
    Quote: Former battalion commander
    If he had not executed, then HIM AND MOTHER AND ALL RELATIVES would be executed ...


    The oldest excuse for scum, which, in particular, was actively used by the Nazis ...

    I strongly doubt that my mother had such public conversations with him. Who made you report this?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2016 19: 25
    +3
    Quote: gladcu2
    Once again, ask yourself what their motivation is?


    Sorry, honey. Are you sick all over your head. What is the motivation for cutting heads, killing your own mother. Even animals are killed for food, and this is some kind of Middle Ages.
    What un are you out of your mind?
    A normal person cannot do this if he is a person. This is someone's Jesuit project, in order to capture a certain territory and natural resources with the help of incredible cruelty, although I personally did not see anything new, all this already happened. But the efforts of normal people and states were destroyed. Apparently not completely. Consequently, the world community, if it considers itself Homo Sapiens, is faced with the task of eliminating this abomination, without regard to either political or economic interests.
    Naturally, this bunch has no relation to religion, this fogging is necessary to score goals, as for example, the Janissaries were prepared at one time, who were then sent against their own people.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 49
      0
      Ros56

      The chat thread does not allow me to trace the logic of my reasoning. You made the wrong conclusion.

      In short, I raised the question of the importance of maintaining a unified morality in the confrontation of ideology.

      Something like this.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 9 January 2016 19: 41
    +5
    smooth2 yes you. Soviet soldier never betrayed his mother! if you don’t know how to think, then don’t torment your head. ish you compared: the communists with the ig and fascists. Do you compare the Soviet soldier of the liberator, internationalist, anti-imperialist, anti-fascist with the bloodsuckers ig and the same kami from deutscheffe? I personally think who compares communism with terror. and nat. organizations _ such is himself! may I return to my advice to you, there are topics, there are objects, there are things that cannot be touched, because it is either expensive or sacred to the Russian people! long rested did not want to morale, but as I read about the igilovets and the Soviet soldier ... suffered. Listen to a boob, and the Western solat does not have idiology? or is it universal ecstasy?
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 21: 50
      0
      novice

      Everything is fine. I did not betray anyone and did not preach betrayal.

      I started this booth to raise the question of the preservation of morality and protect morality before ideology.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 9 January 2016 19: 56
    +2
    It was said about the monsters: "his own mother will not regret", but here it is in real life .... no words am
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 9 January 2016 21: 00
    +2
    I remember a long time ago a psychology teacher told us a story that happened to be with him. He taught in the USA in perestroika when there were all kinds of exchanges. So, supposedly, he asked students to answer one question - are you drowning in a boat. With you is a child, wife and mother. You can save only one person. In the bulk, everyone chose a child, someone had a wife, and only one student in the group chose a mother. It was an Arab. He explained the choice simply - I’ll still find a wife, I’ll make a child, but my mother is alone.

    We were surprised then ...
  • Stilet
    Stilet 9 January 2016 21: 01
    +1
    How many people have died! And how many more will die ?! ISIS must be destroyed! Like those who gave birth to them, no matter where they are now!
  • Flat5160
    Flat5160 9 January 2016 21: 46
    +4
    Values, Values, Values ​​...... In Europe and America, same-sex marriage, adoption of same-sex children, Parents No. 1 and No. 2, the prohibition to openly wear crosses, to celebrate Christmas as before, etc. There, the execution of a mother by her own son, cutting off heads for the wrong religion, stoning, if the widow of a terrorist refuses to become the next wife of the next, etc. Do not you think that this is the forerunner, and the West, because of its dense tolerance, will swallow it and accept it? Fear takes.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 9 January 2016 22: 16
      0
      Flat5160

      Here I am about the same. Now you understand how important it is to bring everyone to common moral values. And Europe and America and China with Russia.

      That there was mutual understanding.
      1. mole
        mole 9 January 2016 23: 33
        +1
        Yes, you are an idealist !? wassat Believe in peace (in mutual understanding) in the whole world? fool Or just bored? drinks
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 10 January 2016 01: 41
          0
          mole

          When there is nothing to do, philosophy is rushing.

          By the way, I’ll add that we are essentially like-minded people. I read your comments. Our views coincide in many respects.

          Do not pay attention that I used an ideology to justify the murder.

          It was a provocation, a challenge to the discussion.
          1. mole
            mole 10 January 2016 08: 26
            0
            gladcu2

            So you are a provocateur ?!
  • red rocket
    red rocket 9 January 2016 22: 10
    +1
    it is necessary to be so zombified that the mother is so)))