Last year, the troops received 80 thousand sets of "Warrior"

About 80 thousand Russian troops in 2015 g were provided with 2 generation combat equipment “Warrior”, reports RIA News Post commander ground troops Oleg Salyukov.

"Started serial supply (" Warrior ") to the troops. In 2015, about 80 thousands of servicemen were provided with combat equipment, ”said Salyukov.

The colonel-general recalled that "the work on the creation of the" Warrior "kit was completed in March."

According to him, the specialists "started work on the creation of third-generation equipment, which will surpass foreign analogues, taking into account the forecast of their development before 2025 of the year."

“Improvement of combat equipment is carried out to improve the effectiveness of combat operations, reduce losses and increase survival by increasing the level and area of ​​body armor, using a medical monitoring system. The mobility of a fighter should be increased by using exoskeletons and reducing the mass of the wearable equipment to 20 a kilogram, ”said Salyukov.

“All these areas of development of combat equipment require the creation of a new elemental base, the development of new technologies in the production of materials with a number of useful properties, and comprehensive testing,” he added.

Help Agency: “The“ Warrior ”- the second generation combat equipment of the Russian Armed Forces today, combines modern small arms, effective protection elements, reconnaissance and communications equipment, only five different subsystems. TsNIITOCHMASH, the leading organization in the field of portable weapons and military equipment, is currently conducting research work on third-generation equipment. ”

Comments

[awersa]

Well, thank God, those days have passed when the main criterion for the form / equipment was “Beauty from Yudashkin”)))

[The black]

Finally, the world standard. Stylish, functional and thoughtful. Beauties. )))

[cniza]

Soon biorobots will appear, but you still can’t replace a human, therefore, you need good equipment.

[remy]

The warrior will still be better than his grandfather

[marlin1203]

This is the "cuirass" of the assault engineering units, as far as I remember. Formidable breakout troops were.

[shrimp]

IT WAS AN ATTACK DIVISION AT ALL

[Asadullah]

Here, too, the assault unit. Form number eight, that s * l, then we wear.

[robinson]

Quote: Asadullah

Here, too, the assault unit.

Not Assault, Raid, 181 ...

[Asadullah]

Not Assault, Raid, 181 ...

Well so, you know how the raid operation differs from the assault operation? Jabs are trained for three months, Ensha changes the plan several times, coordination, everyone’s nerves are at the limit, l / s didn’t relax, twice a day they take out tables from the tents, in fact, after four months the operation is canceled, because it turns out two months back raided there ...... nothing to storm

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: remy

The warrior will still be better than his grandfather

We fought in these "grandfathers" so that the granddaughters will always have something to learn from us. It's not exoskeletons that are fighting, but people. Although, of course, there is no talk - elbow pads and knee pads on stones are a great thing ... Yes, and wearing a non-statutory jacket and various embroidered jackets at night in the mountains is much more pleasant than wearing "cotton wool". And the "pressure cooker" on the head to cling no interest - much more convenient in jump helmets. But on BV not every day, of course, so I had to warm my head in a "pressure cooker" ...

[pilot8878]

I don’t recognize what kind of barrel the second fighter has? In appearance, as if all plastic. Maybe someone tell me?

[Dam]

It looks like an Orsis 5000. And a plastic multifunctional box, there are so many on what kind of weapon. True, I do not see the shutter in the photo. It seems that they are just posing with what they have to.

[APASUS]

Quote: Damm

It looks like an Orsis 5000. And a plastic multifunctional box, there are so many on what kind of weapon. True, I do not see the shutter in the photo. It seems that they are just posing with what they have to.

This is Orsis T-5000, only the box was never plastic there, it’s aluminum

The stock is made of aluminum alloy D16T, the folding unit is made of hardened stainless steel and is specially designed so as not to “break” during operation in the most stringent calibres of impact, plastic parts are made from the highest strength polymers, all joints are only steel to steel ”, For this purpose steel parts are specially installed in the box.

[Dam]

Thank you, but I have t 5000. Everything that you write is very cool. But if you want about the jambs, then I can send a photo of the broken shutter handle. It is mounted on two small 3mm bolts, falls off at a time. And I was lucky with a red-hot thread, on which the shutter ball sits, broke it with my hand. True, you need to pay tribute to the plant, sent for free in 5 days. True, I had to play when installing, there is a hole for the fuse pin, it was combined after re-grooving. And the bed is aluminum, covered with plastic, so you can say so and so. But it shoots perfectly.

[Kvazar]

You can’t forbid a good life +)))

[zanoza]

Tactical sniper rifle T-5000 ORSIS

[Vadim237]

It is better to supply the armed forces aircraft rifle 8.

[newly]

Quote: Vadim237

It is better to supply the armed forces aircraft rifle 8.

And to capture ammo for her in the form of trophies?

[Vadim237]

Cartridges for this rifle are produced in Russia.

[newly]

Quote: Vadim237

Cartridges for this rifle are produced in Russia.

And can you remember the plant?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

And can you remember the plant?

Since the middle of last year, OJSC "Refinery" began to do.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Vadim237

It is better to supply the armed forces aircraft rifle 8.

And what exactly is better?

[Vadim237]

It is cheaper to manufacture.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Vadim237

It is cheaper to manufacture.

And how much is the VS-8? The photo on the network (mainly from the stand at the exhibition) shows that it is clumsily made.

[pilot8878]

Thanks for the clarifications.

[newly]

The world standard implies the arming of soldiers with full automatic weapons (fully SMG). Today there are several main options:
1. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M193 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 508 mm.
2. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M855 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 440 mm.
3. This is an individual weapon on a 5,45 × 39 mm cartridge (3,4 g bullet) with a barrel length of approximately 590 mm. I warn you right away, RPK74 is not suitable here, the balance is not the same.
Something I do not see such weapons. Maybe it is, but terribly secret?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: newly

World standard implies ... on a 5,56 × 45 mm cartridge

This is not a world standard. This is the standard of NATO’s NedovoEnov.
And if we talk about the world, Duc is 7,62x39

[newly]

Quote: Corporal Valera

And if we talk about the world, Duc is 7,62x39

Why write on topics in which you do not understand anything? In about 10 years, these 7,62x39 mm can only be read in special references. And collectors buy expensive.

Quote: Corporal Valera

This is not a world standard.

This is a world standard. It is based on human physiology. There simply cannot be another (normal) one.

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

The world standard implies the arming of soldiers with full automatic weapons (fully SMG).

Misfortune and only. AK does not meet international standards. Urgent need to change to G36 or FAMAS.

Quote: newly

This is a world standard. It is based on human physiology.

Tell me, not far. Do these global standards apply to the Chinese and Vietnamese? After all, physiology is one.

[newly]

Quote: Flood

AK does not meet international standards.

For starters, AK, these are two completely different basic shooting systems. When you write, specify what you mean.

Quote: Flood

Do these global standards apply to the Chinese and Vietnamese? After all, physiology is one.

And why did you decide that these peoples have less (or more) stable central nervous system than Moldavians?
Here you ask a question, which immediately shows that in the subject you are not boom-boom. You don’t even know what and how is hit by a bullet. The object of defeat for you is that piece of paper on the target. But this is not so. By this you confuse sporting weapons with hunting weapons. And already army weapons, this is just a kind of hunting.
Read about wound ballistics on the Internet. I understand this is difficult, there is no such page on the Wiki in Russian. But maybe it is in Romanian?

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

I understand this is difficult, there is no such page on the Wiki in Russian. But maybe it is in Romanian?

The level of American education in recent years has not added much.
Well, it doesn’t matter, I can explain more readily.
First, it’s hard for star-striped boobies to say that completely Russian people also live in Moldova, much more Russian than their former compatriots from across the ocean. And at the same time, many do not understand Romanian.
It is a laxative for cleansing neural connections. which some have the form of a straight segment.
The second - as he wrote, he answered. Maybe the respected newly referred to specific regulations and documents? No, it’s completely general and streamlined. So streamline.
Have you written about physiology? So I hint at the physical parameters, weight and length of the weapon.
Think, analyze, formulate more precisely.

[newly]

Quote: Flood

it’s hard for star-striped boobies to understand

Who is this? Not you?

Quote: Flood

completely Russian people also live in Moldova

In Moldova LIVED people who considered themselves (and were often) Russian. After 1992 they all gradually disappeared from there. Only Bessarabian Romanians remained (they are Moldavians in the USSR). If not by blood, then by conviction.
The rest is at the level of "tr-la-la, I am mine, help me financially."
The foregoing does not apply to Transnistria and Gagauzia, everything is more complicated there.

Quote: Flood

No, it’s completely general and streamlined. So streamline.

You wrap it around. All the same, you cannot understand what is at stake.

Quote: Flood

So I hint at the physical parameters, weight and length of the weapon.

Which one? Vietnamese or Chinese? Do not turn around, you can’t.

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

In Moldova LIVED people who considered themselves (and were often) Russian. After 1992 they all gradually disappeared from there.

Tell someone else about it, expert on all matters.
I was born 43 years ago in the Moldavian SSR and have lived here for at least 38 years;

Quote: newly

Which one? Vietnamese or Chinese? Do not turn around, you can’t.

In this case, we are talking about the physical parameters of a fighter. Which is almost the same for the Chinese and Vietnamese.

[newly]

Quote: Flood

I was born 43 years ago in the Moldavian SSR and have lived here for at least 38 years

I have nothing to do with your conception. And I don’t understand what claims to me?

Quote: Flood

In this case, we are talking about the physical parameters of a fighter. Which is almost the same for the Chinese and Vietnamese.

I understood you. You don't know what the CNS is. From this and reasoning about the physical parameters of the fighters. This is the central nervous system. High-quality hunting (including army) weapons are "tuned" precisely to defeat them from a given distance. For conventional armament of a rifle squad, this is 400-450 meters. At the same time, there are a lot of other types of weapons that are "tuned" at a distance of 25 m and up to completely exotic sniper models. All these weapons have been described in detail in the world for 70 years and have been laid out in their "shelves". Another thing is strange, why on this site no one is aware of the obvious things? And if not in the know, then why are they writing comments?

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

I have nothing to do with your conception. And I don’t understand what claims to me?

Verbiage, is it about that? Why turn on a fool and try to nag.
What is incomprehensible to you from what is written?
That I understand the situation from here much better than you know what the hell out of the American backwoods?

[newly]

Quote: Flood

That I understand the situation much better from here

And I think I'm better than her, i.e. I understand the situation. If you are still there (already 23 years old, almost an entire generation), then you are a Bessarabian Romanian. Mentally. Those. actually.

Quote: Flood

What is incomprehensible to you from what is written?

And what is not clear to you? He wrote everything in an extremely understandable language.

Quote: Flood

You can not continue. All questions have disappeared by themselves.

And then. You probably never heard such words. Nothing, self-educate and after a year or two pull yourself up. We will discuss in more detail.

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

And I think I'm better than her, i.e. I understand the situation. If you are still there (already 23 years old, almost an entire generation), then you are a Bessarabian Romanian. Mentally.

You can’t even imagine how far from reality you are. If simplification helps perception - a flag in hand. But in any case, for conclusions, you need to own the texture.

Quote: newly

You probably never heard such words. Nothing, self-educate and after a year or two pull yourself up. We will discuss in more detail.

Sorry, I don’t understand you. And if you are flattered to see the reason in my lack of intellectual development - I will not disappoint.

[newly]

Quote: Flood

And if you are flattered to see the reason in my lack of intellectual development - I will not disappoint.

In fact, the level of human intellectual development is not determined by the level of knowledge in such a fairly narrow field as ballistics. Therefore, I had nothing of the kind in mind.
I meant that in such cases it is customary to be interested in what is not clear. And not write "caustic comments".

[sharp-lad]

One question. How can NATO soldiers use non-standard cartridges and barrels? There are a lot of cartridges and barrels that do not fall under the standards described by you! About physiology: a) having received a puncture, for example, the soft part of the leg, with a diameter of 5,6 mm. the soldier quickly returns to service, and often does not leave it. b) having received 12,7 mm in the same place. "fool" - well, if they report to the surgeon, the military career is completely over.

[newly]

Quote: sharp-lad

How can NATO warriors use non-standard cartridges and barrels?

Where do you see them? Standard cartridges. Everywhere it says "from". It means "not less".

Quote: sharp-lad

About physiology: a) having received a puncture, for example, of the soft part of the leg, with a diameter of 5,6 mm. a soldier quickly returns to duty, and often does not leave him

Get a hip piercing with a diameter of 5,56 mm will not work. A bullet of this caliber is not classic, so the wound can be very serious. With a quality hit (not through, not tangentially) at least, the soldier will lose his leg. If the hit is closer than about 400 (M16A1) or 450 (M16A2) meters, then most likely he will die.
There is a way to reduce the impact, though. It is before the fight to smear vodka, you can a little. Yes, those "front-line 100 grams". They were specially given to the soldiers to reduce the PBC (and why can't you read on this topic on the Internet). If injured, it can save the victim's life. The main thing is not to overdo it.
There are also nations with a genetically low PBCH. Lots of "little things" in other words.

[Dam]

And here you are wrong. A puncture from 223 is rarely obtained, the bullet is fragmented and the wound is very extensive. In addition, the working speed of small calibers (223 and 5,45 * 39) is higher than 1000 m / s and the pulsating cavity is very large, which in practice leads to necrosis of 5-8 cm of tissue around the wound canal. Our 5,45 * 39 is also not a gift, according to the production technology, the bullet has a small cavity and, when it enters the body, rotates like a yule. From here came the legend of the pool with a displaced center of gravity. True, after hitting 12,7 mm, nobody needs to be carried anywhere. This is the arrival of the polar fox, regardless of the place of impact.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

A puncture from 223 is rarely obtained, the bullet is fragmented and the wound is very extensive.

Ohhhh. Colossal. I am amazed. Supplement your (and my humble) statements with a picture as well. To be clear, cut to 15 mm thickness of the carcass. Thicker than a solid, it still does not happen.
It is easy to see that "the bug is small, but smelly."

[Dam]

Now let's talk about the disadvantages of this caliber:
1 Working distance 300m, then the bullet is very prone to wind drift.
2 Extremely low penetration of a bullet through an obstacle.
3 The bullet is re-stabilized and breaks off the path even from contact with a tree branch
4 Body armor 5 and above holds a bullet with a guarantee of 50 m.
Pros:
1 light weight and correspondingly greater wearable ammunition
2 low recoil, which improves aiming
There is no absolute weapon. And all of the above applies equally to 223 and the Orthodox 5,45. * 39

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Working distance 300m, then the bullet is very prone to wind drift.

Who told you this? It is not necessary to apply the norms of a poor AK-47 sawn-off shotgun so widely. For normal small arms on an open sight, the norm is 400-450 m.

Quote: Damm

2 Extremely low penetration of a bullet through an obstacle.

Use an armor-piercing bullet. A better anti-tank gun. Understand that you cannot make a weapon that will be good in everything. There will certainly be weaknesses.

Quote: Damm

The bullet is re-stabilized and breaks off the trajectory even from contact with a tree branch

Rather, it is weakly stabilized. On purpose. If your bullet has left the branch, I recommend shooting again. Simple and tasteful.

Quote: Damm

Bulletproof vest 5 and above holds a bullet with a guarantee of 50m.

No problem. Shoot the limbs. If you hit your thigh, for example, you will never be GUARANTEED anymore. At least in the army, for sure.

Quote: Damm

light weight and, accordingly, greater wearable ammunition

This is just rubbish. Minor factor.

Quote: Damm

low recoil, which improves aiming

No not like this. A small recoil impulse allows you to generally conduct aimed automatic fire without a machine and bipod. Those. it is possible in principle. But from AK-47, for example, it is not possible. Only at close (submachine gun) distances. Next figs get. What for needed such a machine?

Quote: Damm

There is no absolute weapon.

How to say. M16A4 is very close to ideal. High-quality weapons at 5,45x39 mm are just about to appear. At the same time, I always note that the AK-74 ballistic is not so bad. But today it can and should be improved. Somewhere here on the branch I already wrote, it is necessary to extend the trunk to 500-505 mm. In this case, the n / s of the bullet will increase somewhere to 940 m / s. The recoil momentum will increase by 3 and a quarter%. And in this form, the competition should be held. Who will make a balanced and reliable design, that product and run in a series. Yes, fully SMG will not work, you need to change the cartridge, but this is not serious. But fully SMG - (fully SMG minus) can be obtained. And that would be very, very good.

[Dam]

Wretched here only your attempts. And so, take a ballistic calculator, enter the parameters of 223 rounds, 5ms wind and watch the wind drift. And so, I have two dead 223 caliber barrels in my assets, and I shot more than 10 from it. So, read the stories on. You can hit 000 m in burst at the target, only there is a difference between confidently hitting the target, and accidentally covering a small target by burning a magazine of cartridges. The bullet is re-stabilized due to its low weight, excessive groove steepness and too high velocity. So it is exactly re-stabilized. Regarding "shoot the limbs", sofa warrior, see the limbs first at 400 meters then. it pancake , not a counter Strike. A small impulse allows, first of all, to keep the barrel on the line of sight, in the second, the shooter gets less tired and more precisely works longer. Once again, for a change, drop the toys and go to the shooting range, a lot of questions will be removed by themselves. And about the miserable 400 by 7,62, you will be in St. Petersburg, on a bet for a good whiskey I will get 39m in a sporting platter with 250 cartridges. Something like this. Good luck with the counter strike.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Sorry here only your attempts.

No need to be rude. I also know how to do it well.

Quote: Damm

5ms wind and watch the wind drift

So what? Lateral correction can not be done in any way? when does the wind war stop?

Quote: Damm

I have two 223-caliber barrels that I killed and I shot more than 10 from it.

Learn to care. And do not clean with crushed bricks. The whole world is happy, you alone complain.

Quote: Damm

only there is a difference between a sure hit of the target, and accidentally covering a small target by burning a magazine of cartridges.

I did not understand the depth of thought.

Quote: Damm

Regarding "shoot the limbs", sofa warrior, see the limbs first at 400 meters then.

Sofa warrior, it's you. At 400 m, getting into the limbs is exactly as likely as entering the body.

Quote: Damm

A small pulse allows you to primarily keep the barrel on the line of sight

What does "small impulse" mean? What is small for? If there is no stabilized automation, then this impulse should be very small for aimed automatic fire. And from this, the weapon will be too weak (AK-74).

Quote: Damm

drop the toys and go to the shooting range,

In fact, if you want to understand ballistics, it’s better to go to the morgue. Somewhere in a warring country. And going to the shooting range is stupid. There is nothing interesting there.

Quote: Damm

at 250m in a sporting plate with 2 rounds

No, not a ride. The norm is 400 m. It’s not easy to get in, it’s guaranteed to destroy the enemy. On a cartridge of 7,62x39 mm this can not be done. The final energy, weight, and ballistic coefficient are small. bullets. this weapon was not just asked from the SA with a knee in the ass.

[Dam]

Problem 223 is that a bullet further than 300 m is very unstable. The wind in the war, as in the world, is very unstable, but with heavier ammunition at these distances this will not significantly affect, you can use the average corrections. With light ammunition, this is almost impossible or very difficult. The depth of thought is simple: one shot, one corpse, or at least 300. Otherwise, it’s firing in that direction (Arabs really like to raise a machine gun and shoot above the fence without seeing where). Small recoil momentum has a small-caliber 223 cartridge in comparison with the intermediate or rifle. The AK 74 will fly at least 400 J on the 400 meters you describe, 200 will be enough for a person. It’s another matter that it, as well as your favorite Arch, will have difficulties with hit accuracy. I was in the morgues while studying, and I had a chance to heal the shot ones quite a lot in the years 90-2000. Everything regarding the features of the damaging effect of these two calibers, I described above. There are no fundamental differences between them. For those who go to the morgues, the diameter of the plate is 12 cm. On the Rostov target at 300 m I will get from one shot (my weapon, or preliminary shooting). I’ll get to 400 m along a fixed growth line with 10-15 rounds in bursts of 3. This is considered insufficient for a war, 308 or 7,62 * 54 will get from one of two shots. And nobody canceled the stupid copying of someone else's dubious experience in the CA. This is my personal opinion, not claiming the truth

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Problem 223 is that a bullet further than 300 m is very unstable

What is the matter with her? Does the stabilizer drop out?
In fact, do not invent problems.

Quote: Damm

but with heavier ammunition at these distances this will not affect significantly, you can use the average corrections

Heavy, i.e. rifle, ammunition today naughty at 600 m and beyond. And quite naturally they don’t play it with light ammunition.

Quote: Damm

At AK 74, at least 400 J will fly at 400 meters described by you, 200 is enough for a person

Actually, even 500 with a penny. But energy is not everything. The weight of the bullet, the type of bullet is still important, if the bullet is classic, then its caliber and ball. odds And only by collecting all these factors together can we say whether it’s enough for a person or not.

Quote: Damm

Everything regarding the features of the damaging effect of these two calibers, I described above. There are no fundamental differences between them.

Between what? 5,45 and 5,56? There are few differences, the type of bullet is the same. 5,45 and 7,62? There are differences in the sea, because the type of bullets is different.

Quote: Damm

At 400 m I’ll hit a stationary growth with 10-15 rounds in bursts of 3

I'm already confused. What are you going to get from? If still out of 7.62x39 mm, then do not tell.

Quote: Damm

And nobody canceled the stupid copying of someone else's dubious experience in the CA.

I hope you are about the AK-47? Then everything is right.
But with the AK-74, an attempt to copy the M16A1, is another story. Then they did the maximum that they could then. The power of the cartridge and the recoil momentum had to be reduced, because weapon automation was poorly balanced. Therefore, the ammunition of the cartridge was selected taking into account the accuracy of automatic fire according to the residual principle. The result is what happened. In principle, for CA it was a great progress. She had never seen a weapon like the AK-74 before. Fairly solid SMG (automatic) with the ballistics of an assault rifle +. No, of course I would like to have an SMG with the ballistics of an automatic rifle, i.e. fully SMG. But then in the USSR it was impossible. Not shmogli.

[bravo-fab]

you don’t mean anything both in VPN and in weapons, you probably never fired, you didn’t shoot weapons at the firing range ...

[lnew]

Quote: bravo-fab

you do not mean anything both in VPN and in weapons

in this life I am only held back by the realization that you understand this. Well, at least you think so.
Too bad you're wrong.

[yehat]

250m ???
Yes, at such a range, you can get into a plate from a small-caliber tozovka without optics. the range is NOT serious.
at least I remember how at school they shot at 3 penny coins from 150 meters. I got into it about 50% after shooting.
about the limbs.
they can still be seen, but human limbs tend to move. At a range of 400, a bullet flies for at least a second and during this time an arm or leg can easily leave the line of sight. That is why it is undesirable to shoot in the limbs.
Further, the legs are usually DOWN and partially hidden by the landscape, so shooting them is not very nice. A hand (ordinary) is two times thinner than a foot and 5 times thinner than a body, therefore, for a guaranteed hit, choose a body.
And I remind you that for SVD when shooting at the hull it is believed that the distance of guaranteed destruction is up to 300m.
Therefore, to shoot from 250 meters even in motionless limbs in 95% of cases is simply risky and unprofessional.

[pilot8878]

Quote: newl

Quote: Damm
light weight and, accordingly, greater wearable ammunition

Quote: newl

This is just rubbish. Minor factor.

There is such an expression in Russia: there are either very few or few rounds of ammunition, but no longer raise them. In a raid, this is a very significant factor.

Quote: newl

A small recoil impulse allows you to generally conduct aimed automatic fire without a machine and bipod.

I propose to show how you do it on the notorious 400 meters and how the result differs from 7,62 or 5,45.

Quote: newl

M16A4 is very close to ideal.

What are the "super-soldiers" trying to defeat the AK at the slightest opportunity?
Yes, and please explain how you get to the central nervous system directly at 400 meters? Here some fighters train for a long time on the chest bear until the result appears. "In the smoke, in the heat" when I hit the carcass - it's already good.

[newl]

Quote: pilot8878

on the notorious 400 meters and how the result differs from 7,62 or 5,45.

Go to the shooting range. There you will immediately understand what the conversation is about.

Quote: pilot8878

What are the "super-soldiers" trying to defeat the AK at the slightest opportunity?

Did you come up with this yourself? What other bike tell?

Quote: pilot8878

how do you get straight at the central nervous system at 400 meters?

And the central nervous system, is this a point in humans? Type of solar plexus?
No, well, they won’t let me die serious. Mock to death.

Quote: pilot8878

"In the smoke, in the heat" when I hit the carcass - it's already good.

This is where the central nervous system is located. FOR ALL. She has such receptors there. Feolant color. Didn’t you notice on yourself? Take a closer look.

[atakan]

It happens that you want to minus only for the fact that individual trolls are messing around here simultaneously from 5-7 countries.

[lnew]

Quote: atakan

It happens that you want to minus

What's this. This is bullshit. Worse if you want to shoot. And it will want. If people like you do not stop at an early stage.

[alexej123]

I don’t minus in principle - everyone has their own point of view. It seems to me that you were only in shooting galleries and got your shoes. Did you take part in real exercises, at least? Have you talked to people who have gone through military clashes? You've been playing around and trying to be smart. So, guys I know took part in hostilities in Chechnya, not conscripts. According to them, when there was an opportunity, they changed 5,45 to 7,62. And as for "the best of peace," then look at the footage from Syria, Iraq, Libya. What do you see in the frames? The ratio of Kalash to mattress products will be about 4 to 10. Why? Why are Kalash on the coats of arms of countries? But what about Colt's products? In short, do not sweat the "bullshit".

[lnew]

Quote: alexej123

It seems to me that you are only at shooting ranges and are well-versed. Have you participated in real, at least exercises? Have you talked to people who went through military clashes?

Do you know how "advice" with commandos differs from advice with a janitor? The janitor cannot do much harm with his advice.
The development of high-quality weapons is not at all those who have or do not have combat experience. This experience in such a case is completely useless. The development of weapons (di and generally high-quality products) is often done by pot-bellied and bald bespectacled people. Often with unwashed hair. In stretched sweaters and in trousers with bubbling knees. A commando with combat experience can only help at the stage of ergonomics. Handle tilt, hook size, etc. In all other cases, it is simply not needed. Extra he is there.

Quote: alexej123

According to them, when there was an opportunity, they changed 5,45 to 7,62.

So what? Was there a full-scale war? There was a police special operation. And in such cases, the weapon can be anything.

Quote: alexej123

look at the footage from Syria, Iraq, Libya. What do you see in the frames? The ratio of Kalash to mattress products will be approximately 10 to 1. Why?

Because it's expensive. Quality things are expensive.

Quote: alexej123

Why Kalash on the arms of countries?

Don't make me laugh with these "countries".

[alexej123]

Firstly, I did not "consult". EXPERIENCED people just talked.
Secondly - so does it mean that there was no war in Chechnya?
Thirdly - you contradict yourself - then you have the same hunting and war. Now police special operations and military operations are different.
Is a "quality item" reliable or not? Or do you offer outsourcing to call during the fighting?

[lnew]

Quote: alexej123

EXPERIENCED people just told.

I repeat once again, "seasoned people" in the area of ​​the shooter do not look what you think. They are often bespectacled and pot-bellied. They do not look like special forces.

Quote: alexej123

If you contradict yourself - then you have the same hunt and war.

Do not distort. I did not write about the process, but about weapons. The fact that army weapons is a special case of hunting.

Quote: alexej123

Is a "quality item" reliable or not?

Possesses. That's how the M16 is. No wonder it is used in 80 countries. Kalashnikov is far from that.
And here is what the developers of Kalashnikov write about in their patent WO 99/05467 about their weapons:
"The disadvantage of this model is low reliability (low reliability), weapon failures when used in extreme climatic and extreme conditions, low accuracy of fire, and insufficiently high operational characteristics."

Quote: alexej123

And the "extra special forces" in the development of weapons generally KILLED.

I did not understand this stern thought.

Quote: alexej123

u well, that's why mattresses and hrenachat are everywhere.

Yes Yes. And these "zhrenachennye mattress covers" sit there overseas quietly. They worry about how badly they were fucked. And most importantly, everywhere.

Quote: alexej123

Can you tell me what kind of weapon the Israelis used as a basis in the development of this rifle?

I will prompt. Valmet model Rk.95TP chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm. This Valmet, it was made on the basis of the AK-47. So Galil can be considered the granddaughter of Kalashnikov. Seventh water on jelly, in fact. At the same time, Galil was never made under Soviet ammunition. This is not a plus, it is a plus of this weapon. But the Israelites refused Galil. In favor of the M16. It turned out to be more reliable and cheaper.
By the way, AK-12 is also not the same Kalashnikov, which is Kalashnikov. Something like Valmet, i.e. relative. But on the Soviet cartridge.

[alexej123]

They do not sit across the ocean — in Iraq, in Afghanistan — they sit and whine like their asses, which thoughtless clowns from politics put in there, pulled back.
And that means that the Finns and Israelis still used AK? "Granddaughter" does not count - it counts the idea, concept.
And about 80 countries - Russia is not a country that "bends" its "partners" and "allies" to buy everything Russian. I will tell you a "terrible secret" - an open and open gun lobby. Have you encountered this? This is also about corruption - "who has more, who has longer." What kind of small arms does Egypt use? And what about the Pakistani army?
You know, you are like a "thimble" - "twist, twist - I want to cheat".

[newl]

Quote: alexej123

They do not sit across the ocean - in Iraq, in Afghanistan - they sit and whine like their asses

Oh, whine. Oh, cry. Kirdyk them there. Full kirdyk.
Where is the information so scary?

Quote: alexej123

And that means that the Finns and Israelis still used AK? "Granddaughter" does not count - it counts the idea, concept.

No, of course, it doesn’t count. Therefore, ZIS-3 arr. 1942, it's just the French Canon de 75 modèle 1897 arr. 1987 And what? The granddaughter does not count as you write.
What is common between the ZIS-3 and the Canon de 75 modèle 1897? That's about the same with Galil. Walmet on the cartridge of 7,62x39 mm still had some similarities. Just because of the cartridge. But how many were those Valmetov? The Finnish army cannot be called numerous. Yes, and when was it?

Quote: alexej123

Russia is not a country that "bends" its "partners" and "allies" to buy everything Russian.

This is not about Russia, but about the USSR. Who gave away the AK-47 to everyone for the promise of friendship and the supply of bananas. It was not easy to get money from such "promises".

Quote: alexej123

What kind of small arms does Egypt use? And parts of the Pakistani army?

Why are you doing this? To the rain?

Quote: alexej123

You know, you are like a "thimble" - "twist, twirl - I want to cheat

They just described themselves. You have not a single argument, but there are many "emotions".

[alexej123]

And the "extra special forces" in the development of weapons generally KILLED. Well, well, that's why mattress mats are everywhere. Therefore, "CARAUL - NATO, Coalitions, where are you?" and shout. Well, rightly so.

[alexej123]

And about the countries - tell me, until recently, the Israeli armed forces used the Galil rifle. Can you tell me what kind of weapon the Israelis used as the basis for the development of this rifle? M16?

[aaz]

A police operation is in your country with blacks. Pardon-African-Americans, disassemblies .... fool quickly, and say that you raised the slingshot to shoot at valiant cops.

[lnew]

Quote: aaz

A police operation - this is in your AI with blacks. Pardon-African-Americans, disassemblies ....

Any clash, one of the parties of which are irregular units (Afghan mujahideen, partisans, etc.) is called a police operation.

[pilot8878]

Quote: newl

And the central nervous system, is this a point in humans? Type of solar plexus?
No, well, they won’t let me die serious. Mock to death.

In order not to exercise for a long time, I will quote the wiki:

Central nervous system (CNS) - the main part of the nervous system of animals (including humans), consisting of neurons and their processes; ... presented ... in vertebrates (including humans) - by the spinal cord and brain.

The central nervous system is therefore called - CENTRAL. And what you are trying to be clever is called the PERIPHERAL Nervous System. This is even known to me, a person far from medicine. And you, as a major specialist in this field, are generally ashamed to be so confused in terminology.

Quote: pilot8878

on the notorious 400 meters and how the result differs from 7,62 or 5,45.

Quote: newl

Go to the shooting range. There you will immediately understand what the conversation is about.

You had to shoot from these calibers, you know. Therefore, I am interested in how you manage to conduct aimed automatic fire at 400 meters. Particularly pleasing:

Quote: newl

At 400 m, getting into the limbs is exactly as likely as entering the body.

Let me advise you: when you go into a community where, if not every first, then certainly every third AK so abused for several years lived, ate, slept, not to mention the direct use for its intended purpose, first familiarize yourself with the object you are hailing not only on photos on the Internet. Shoot, run, clean, run again, shoot more (however, you can not clean - AK will forgive). And then in the same rhythm with the M16. In conditions far from laboratory, believe me, the difference will not please you.

[lnew]

Quote: pilot8878

And what you are trying to be clever is called the PERIPHERAL Nervous System. This is even known to me, a person far from medicine.

And where are the signals from the PNS? In the central nervous system or go into the sand? You have a poor understanding of the hierarchy of the human nervous system. I assure you, if you pinch your nose (or finger) with a door, then a signal about this will come to your brain in a strange way. And already he will decide what to do next.

Quote: pilot8878

Therefore, I am interested in how you manage to conduct aimed automatic fire at 400 meters.

I do not know. Probably need to train. The NSD for such an exercise brazenly provides for one turn of 3 rounds. Will you argue with NSD?

Quote: pilot8878

where if not every first, then certainly every third AK with you so scolded for several years lived, ate, slept, not to mention the direct use for its intended purpose, pre-familiarize yourself with the object you harass not only from photographs on the Internet

You don’t have to live with weapons. You have to live with a woman. Primarily. A weapon is given for another. But also requires training and development. And your recommendations like clean / run here will not help. Dead end Soviet way.

Quote: pilot8878

And then in the same rhythm with the M16. In conditions far from laboratory, believe me, the difference will not please you.

And then. You still compare a wooden slingshot with M16. She, too, will clearly be easier. But what about combat effectiveness?
And one more thing. Less pathos. And then with the materiel you have really bad. But you learned to cheat cheeks. Better the other way around.

[Baikal]

newly, you flag is not lost?
Will you tell a person who he is - Romanian, Moldovan or Russian?
You don’t take much on yourself?
Behavior worthy of mud..ka. Mentally, of course.

[newly]

Quote: Baikal

Behavior worthy of mud..ka.

Is that you about yourself? It seems like that. Well, what to do happens. My condolences to you.

[Baikal]

Is America with you? Go home, Yankees, you're not welcome here.
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Incidentally, thanks to the administration for the real flags! So it’s fun to observe the convulsive attempts of the sub-members to write comments from the left proxies

[newly]

Quote: Baikal

Incidentally, thanks to the administration for the real flags!

Look at your flag. As awesomely real as everyone else.

[proletarian]

Do not "worry" dear, this is just a troll by the way, very "savvy" in just one day, or rather it will be in less than 12 hours "picked up" for the most "I do not want".

[lnew]

Quote: Baikal

Incidentally, thanks to the administration for the real flags!

Look at your miracle.

[avia1991]

Quote: newly

Is that you about yourself?

This is exactly what Mr. himself said about himself. Neither the name nor the past .. nor the MOTHERLAND: The mess with flags speaks for itself.
But it is full of a contemptuous and arrogant attitude towards the "plebs" living in VO, where you looked, apparently, with the aim of bringing "reasonable, kind, eternal" ..
NO, THANKS! "Crap", extolled by your overseas god, the whole world is already fed up! And we, in Russia - even more so. And one more thing: before trying to condescendingly convey to us information about the central nervous system, PBC and other sources of the "superiority" of Western weapons, gleaned from the Internet, ask yourself a question: and who said that the truth is written on the Internet? And at the same time take an interest in why your Venezno special forces at the first opportunity throw away the vaunted M16 - and grab the AK47?
There is something that the Internet rubs you - but there is a harsh combat experience. Which you obviously do not have! Therefore, do not build Xperd by rewriting someone else's stool here.

[newl]

Quote: avia1991

And at the same time take an interest in why your Venezno special forces at the first opportunity throw away the vaunted M16 - and grab the AK47?

Did you invent the "passions" themselves? Go ahead, you're good at it.

Quote: avia1991

There is something that the Internet rubs you - but there is a harsh combat experience. Which you obviously do not have! Therefore, do not build Xperd by rewriting someone else's stool here.

Have you got it? Now drink the usual glass (which one today?) And calm down. You are our experienced. In this case.

[avia1991]

You are our experienced.

God had mercy: not "your" I am Russian!

Quote: newl

Have you got it?

! ..
Well, actually, what was required to prove! When there is nothing to clearly answer, we immediately go into a dull defense, and quickly "denounce" the opponent in drunkenness! (The Russians all drink soundly, right ?!) Well, why, in fact, be surprised: at the courses in the State Department you obviously could not hear objective information .. just like on the Internet, not every infa is objectively true.
Do not worry, "darling": you are not the first - and you are not the last "spy" that they are trying to implement on VO, but "does not take root"
By the way, people! Who corrected this rating so generously, do not know? !! Three hours ago it was almost -3500! And here - almost "clean"! Moderators! Your antics?

And to you, most disliked, I will say this: when it comes to a real clash - then we'll see how many seconds your "clever thoughts" will hold out against OUR "long-decommissioned" Kalashnikov!

[avia1991]

Quote: avia1991

Moderators! Your tricks?

Wildly sorry: this is our subchik re-registered! Obstinate, however, "zaslanets" - not otherwise, the Americans were also going to impose sanctions on the US: "for the suppression of freedom of speech amerskih" zaslanets "!

[Mordvin 3]

This type of stubbornly chasing an individual weapon from the rubric as a lousy in a bathhouse, and he just as stubbornly appears. I already got everyone with my standards. His DT machine gun is an assault rifle, and Thompson shoots at 400 m. And how many nicknames he exchanged, one god knows.

[newl]

Quote: Mordvin 3

This type of stubbornly chasing an individual weapon from the rubric as a lousy in a bathhouse, and he just as stubbornly appears.

Bububusenki. Why are we so angry? Peeled and we are not comfortable? Or are they just in life?

Quote: Mordvin 3

He has a DT machine gun is an assault rifle

Yes? But I didn’t know about myself.

Quote: Mordvin 3

and Thompson shoots at 400 m

Surprise, but not only shoots, but also destroys the enemy. Only post-war, at .45 ACP + R.
By the way, Thompson's PP exists only in your imagination. In the USA it is called Thompson's SMG. Those. Thompson machine, if in Russian. Only on a pistol cartridge.

[Mordvin 3]

I do not want to argue with you. Enlighten anyone else, but I know your stubborn nature well. And I'm not evil, I'm good.

[newl]

Well, then go to the black list.

[Alekspel]

Amer’s warriors can only put pants on. And their main strength is that they live across the ocean and have never participated in any serious mess. Only the second front was opened when it was no longer necessary, but the weaklings were finished off after terrible bombardments. However, in Vietnam they got a hawalan so that McCain is still shaking with anger at the damned Russian Vietnamese. But now, again, a pussy masturbate to Russia, probably the Toleraists are forgotten. This is not Vietnam, we have a little colder. Go to Merkelikha, ask the former SS men there, if anyone is still alive, how they were led around Moscow and washed away shit after them. An enthusiasm will decrease.

Quote: newl

Quote: avia1991

And at the same time take an interest in why your Venezno special forces at the first opportunity throw away the vaunted M16 - and grab the AK47?

Did you invent the "passions" themselves? Go ahead, you're good at it.

Quote: avia1991

There is something that the Internet rubs you - but there is a harsh combat experience. Which you obviously do not have! Therefore, do not build Xperd by rewriting someone else's stool here.

Have you got it? Now drink the usual glass (which one today?) And calm down. You are our experienced. In this case.

[lnew]

Quote: Alekspel

Go to Merkelikha, ask the former SS men there

In. Another tantrum appeared. What, too many female hormones? Do you mean to vilify once a month?
PS. If you are hysterical, then at least remove the boy from the avatar. It’s inconvenient for him. Even to me.

[newl]

Quote: avia1991

Do not worry, "darling": you are not the first - and you are not the last "spy" that they are trying to implement on VO, but "does not take root"

You need to be treated. Electricity Yeah.

[proletarian]

Yes, no way "our" svidomy drew, though it is painfully literate in any way on grants "ate".

[avia1991]

Quote: proletarian

so painfully literate

to rewrite other people's thoughts - and, it’s not the fact that close to real research - you don’t need a big mind. Well .. we’re all stupid and illiterate here, we didn’t finish the academies at West Point - where are we to the ewon level of IC perseverance!
Have you not noticed? He is trying to give us lectures! To carry, so to speak, the light of the knowledge of Good and Evil into our gray illiterate heads

[newl]

Quote: avia1991

Have you not noticed? He is trying to give us lectures! To carry, so to speak, the light of the knowledge of Good and Evil into our gray illiterate heads

Yes, a complete scoundrel. He tries to explain to dummies how generally small arms are arranged in the world. And with what they eat it. Of course, you bastard. Dummies don’t know anything and don’t want to know. Know yourself, hysteria and curse.

[lnew]

Quote: proletarian

painfully literate in any way on grants "ate".

On grants, not on grants, but on you, Dunno, does not at all look like.

[lnew]

Quote: Baikal

newly, have you lost your flag?

And you?

Quote: Baikal

Behavior worthy of mud..ka. Mentally, of course.

Why are you talking about yourself?
Although, in fact, true. That's how you behave.

[proletarian]

And sho you jump on different flags like a louse in a pan?
Come evil.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newly

And I think I'm better than her, i.e. I understand the situation. If you are still there (already 23 years old, almost an entire generation), then you are a Bessarabian Romanian. Mentally. Those. actually.

Man! To say such a thing, first familiarize yourself with the history of the emergence of Romania. Write complete foolishness and at the same time look the same when saying this.
So that you know there have been three principalities from time immemorial: Moldova, Transylvania and Wallachia. No Romania was there. There is a nationality (nation) of Moldovans, and Bessarabian Romanian is the one who comes to you when you smoke grassy mushrooms or mushrooms- you talk govorushki.

[newl]

Learn the history of Romania, man. Learn. You need. The flag obliges you.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newl

Learn the history of Romania, man. Learn. You need. The flag obliges you.

I love trolls. It’s like they grow them in one incubator and make them with one finger, and it grows crooked and growing from the hand, which, in turn, grows from the ass. And you don’t need to go to the circus. she rested on you and lay down and just went down as needed.

[newl]

Quote: NEXUS

I love trolls.

I don’t love them.
You have strange addictions. Bestiality?

Quote: NEXUS

It’s like you are being grown in one incubator and made with one finger, and it is crooked and growing from a hand which, in turn, grows from your ass. And you don’t need to go to the circus. It is interesting at what stage of your evolution you offended nature so much that it is on you and rested and lay down and just went out of need.

It is amazing how subtly you described your essence. And the process of its creation. It seems that you yourself participated in this. Practice incest?

[avia1991]

Quote: NEXUS

Bessarabian Romanian, this is the one who comes to youwhen you smoke grassy grass

!!!
I get out from under the table to give you a "Plus"! "Squirrel" is just resting!

[Flooding]

Quote: newly

High-quality hunting (including army) weapons are "tuned" precisely to defeat them from a given distance

You can not continue. All questions disappeared by themselves.

[newl]

Quote: Flood

that in Moldova absolutely Russian people also live, much more Russian than their former compatriots from across the ocean.

Quote: Flood

I was born 43 years ago in the Moldavian SSR and have lived here for at least 38 years;

And why are these certificates? You yourself have identified your nationality with your nickname. waterfall, same Moldovan, just back to front. For example, it would never have crossed my mind to be called Moldavian. At least backward, at least backward.
By the way, here you are pierced. In Russian, right moldАthe van. And in Romanian, as you wrote - moldОthe van.

[Flooding]

Quote: newl

For example, it would never have crossed my mind to be called Moldavian. At least backward, at least backward.

Are you expecting sympathy from me? Keep your complexes with you. This is my small homeland and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

Quote: newl

By the way, here you are pierced. In Russian it is correct moldavan. And in Romanian, the way you wrote is Moldova.

Literate, in Russian it is correct "Moldavian".

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

Read about wound ballistics on the Internet

As you already got with this wound ballistics, it’s not the first time you get out with this bogeyman. Wound ballistics is one of the, BUT is far from the main issue in the development of new army ammunition, oddly enough it sounds. There must be a compromise of a whole range of tasks: the overall dimensions of the cartridge, its cost, the possibility of mass production, the ability to overcome protective equipment, acceptable accuracy at the design range of use, a certain unification for some types of weapons, etc.

[newly]

Quote: Vladimirets

As you already got with this wound ballistics

Uncle, in order to understand something in army (and hunting) weapons, you need to know at least the basics of 3 things, internal, external and wound ballistics.
And without this, you can only reason at the level of the Murzilok generation and the Pinocchio generation. They are approximately similar, differ only in age. And a passion for looking at pictures.

Quote: Vladimirets

Wound ballistics is one of the, BUT is far from the main issue in the development of new army ammunition, oddly enough it sounds.

Sounds really strange. Because the main task of a hunting (let's say) weapon is to "overwhelm" the target. And not just scratch her skin.

Quote: Vladimirets

There should be a compromise of a whole range of tasks:

And here you are right. It is very difficult to make high-quality small arms. Yes, and the cartridge is extremely difficult. For example, in the USSR, not a single normal cartridge for small arms was adopted. And, as a result, not one model of high-quality small arms was made. Unless you can consider the samples on the old rifle cartridge. All Soviet weapons will gradually go to waste. Not right away, right away it's very expensive.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

hunting (let's say) weapons

No, uncle, the goals of hunting and army weapons are different, respectively, and the ammunition tasks are different, the only similarity is that, in the end, it is necessary to kill a biological object. Therefore, for example, hunting cartridges can be both expensive and bulky, have serious returns, etc. In addition, hunting, at least for a large beast, implies single shooting, which, in general, is akin to sniper shooting.

[newly]

Quote: Vladimirets

perhaps the similarity is that in the end, it is necessary to kill a biological object.

Well, thank God. I really thought not guess what I mean.
In addition, I have repeatedly noted that army weapons are a special case of hunting weapons. With its own characteristics.
At the same time, an army rifle, as a special case of hunting weapons, has little in common with sports weapons.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

With its own characteristics.

His features are very serious. If hunting weapons can be specialized (we say, I think, purely about a long-barreled rifled), then army (accordingly, and ammunition for it) should be as versatile as possible, within reasonable limits.

[Dam]

For the great connoisseur of ballistics. One of the reasons for the transition to small-caliber weapons was the change in the doctrine of the defeat of manpower. A wounded adversary is preferable to a killed one, since it diverts much more resources for his evacuation and treatment. So, combat and hunting weapons have slightly different tasks.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

A wounded adversary is preferable to a killed one, since it diverts much more resources for his evacuation and treatment.

Read and read. And in general, what kind of nonsense on the Internet can not be subtracted. But this bike is not my favorite. Most of all I love the tale about "dead Japanese machine gunners". Wow. This is, mentally.
And about the doctrine of defeat, it's boring. Moreover, it is precisely the M16A4 that "knocks down" the enemy. In this, rarely anyone can compete with her.
The USSR was already impressed by M16A1 in Vietnam. And the weapon on the cartridge of 7,62x39 mm dismissed with a knee. And M16A2-4 is much cooler.

[Dam]

I’m dealing with personal impressions of shooting from Ar-ki and AKmoids, and not fairy tales from neta. For sports, it is more convenient to shoot from the arch, for war only AK. Even a civilian saiga of 5,45 works an order of magnitude more reliably, my Armie Daler sport. Regarding accuracy, in a gross cartridge, both shoots almost the same 2moa arch, 3moa saiga. Just do not forget that we have these notorious MOA when shooting prepared, comfortable, from the bipod, with even breathing. And after the march, yes on adrenaline? A lot of shooters class will show? I’m ready to hide on the viskar’s box, who will show me the class after a 3km run! Yes, and excessive accuracy for automatic weapons IMHO is not needed! And the correctness of the transition to small calibers is now very many experts question.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

I’m dealing with personal impressions of shooting from Ar-ki and AKmoids

Well, you finally understand, you cannot have any personal impressions. You are not God and you are not able to communicate with "experimental material". Nor are you a coroner or a crime pathologist.

Quote: Damm

for war only AK

M16A4 did you use?

Quote: Damm

And after the march, yes on adrenaline?

But what, all battles are fought after the march-throw and on the adrenaline? On adrenaline, newcomers fight in the first battle. A march-throws in normal parts never happens at all.

Quote: Damm

Yes, and excessive accuracy for automatic weapons IMHO is not needed!

Excessive, not excessive. There are dispersion standards. Weapons must satisfy them. And the categories are superfluous / not superfluous, these are their movies. Approximately, as in films about excessive armor penetration ZIS-2.

Quote: Damm

And the correctness of the transition to small calibers is now very many experts question.

I do not know such specialists. There are laws of physics. If you want to get weapons fully level SMG, then you have no other choice. I will explain fully SMG is an individual weapon with a rate of 80-100 rounds per minute with an effective range of 400-450 m. almost ideal. Further shoot at an open sight, the physics of the eye does not allow. More often, it’s already LMG (handbrake).
There are no other options and will not be. Although attempts to achieve this by other means (on the classic pool) were. And they were also undertaken by the Americans. The most famous example is Thompson's SMG (automatic) (we used to call it a submachine gun). A very interesting weapon. To begin with, it was like 2 types of weapons in one. Moreover, it all depended on the experience of a soldier. In the hands of a rookie on TTX it would be a very good automatic carbine (not to be confused with automatic short rifle). And in the hands of an experienced soldier during the war on a .45 ASR cartridge on TTX it was a weapon that was later called an assault rifle. Not real, of course, the cartridge was pistol. By "drenched" he was not childish, just at the level of assault rifles. At the same time, the balance between the StG44 and the AK-47 did not allow accurate firing of automatic fire beyond 100 m (the StG44 had a little further). And Thompson's SMG just allowed it. True, there was hemorrhoids with an entire sight.
After the war, the Americans went further and transferred the Thompson submachine gun to the .45 ACP + R cartridge. So they got the first in the world, but again hemorrhoids in aiming, fully SMG (see above). But an inexperienced fighter could still use it only as automatic carbine. Therefore, the Americans went further and to replace Thompson's SMG made a completely new weapon, the M16A1 on the cartridge of a completely new principle of action. This was the first fully SMG in the world that even a rookie could use.
It remains to add that today the Americans play the role of Thompson's SMG during the war M4A1. This is not the main weapon, the main weapon is the M16A4.

[Dam]

What made it possible to shoot further 100 m with a pistol cartridge with its energy and howitzer trajectory? Have you even shot from AK? Once again, I’ll get 250 meters into the sporting plate with two rounds and I'm not a good shooter. AK 47 was developed for the ideology of its time, when the distance of contact with the enemy was assumed to be 250-300 meters. At these distances, even an Arab militia will not miss the growth target from it. In addition, he has an unprecedented penetration rate for intermediate munitions and the ability to defeat the enemy behind an obstacle, which is indispensable in urban combat. For fun, look at what the guys at Motorola and Givi fought at the Donetsk airport. (not at all from poverty, look at the rest of the equipment). And who told you that Ar-ki has a rate of fire of 100 rounds per minute? As I recall, from 750 to 900 shots. For those who are on an armored train, you generally saw specialists in the movies. We are talking about the inefficiency of using small calibers at a distance of modern combat, which increased to 500-700 m

[newl]

Quote: Damm

What made it possible to shoot further 100 m with a pistol cartridge with its energy and howitzer trajectory?

In fact, the range of a direct shot at the growth figure at Thomson's wartime was 190m. And the postwar 205m. The howitzer trajectory was above these numbers.

Quote: Damm

Once again, I’ll get 250 meters into the sporting plate with two rounds and I'm not a good shooter.

I repeat again, but it is necessary at 400 m and in line.

Quote: Damm

AK 47 was developed for the ideology of its time, when the distance of contact with the enemy was assumed to be 250-300 meters.

Don't fantasize. The generals wanted to get a trick "like the Germans", and they got it. then I had to get rid of it and rearm.

Quote: Damm

And who told you that Ar-ki has a rate of fire of 100 rounds per minute? As I recall, from 750 to 900 shots

Here you confuse the rate of fire and the rate of fire. Do not be confused, confused very often.

Quote: Damm

you generally saw specialists in the movies. We are talking about the inefficiency of using small calibers at a distance of modern combat, which increased to 500-700 m

You have just written about 250-300 m in Donetsk. Now 500-700 m. You have already decided what is closer to your soul.
But seriously, as it was 450-500 m, it remained. Why so much? So that you couldn’t be sure to hit with ordinary small arms, the effective range of which (normal) is 400-450 m.

[Dam]

Not a single pistol cartridge has a direct shot of 200m, we learn materiel. Well, there weren’t so smart among them. How are you. On that. The moment there was no weapon under the intermediate ammunition and the plug between the pros and cons of the pistol and rifle cartridge was high. The intermediate cartridge is that duck that flies and swims and walks. This is his ideology. You read poorly, I wrote about the battles in urban areas, where the Novorossiysk infantry preferred the AK47 .. And you, like all the half-educated ones, argue without citing any facts. Adjectives only. The rate of fire, I’ll ask any weapon as I need. Any experienced shooter can shoot a burst of 2-3 rounds without straining. On this I complete the conversation, for its scarcity, learn the respected materiel. It is difficult to explain to the blind what the sun is. Unlike you, I know both theory and practice. Yes, the books do not say that any barrel has a certain shot before losing accuracy. So the arka lived 8000. Saiga has already passed 10 shots. (I clean it with the most ordinary cheap oil, Ar ku licked eggs like a cat.)

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Not a single pistol cartridge has a direct shot of 200m, we learn materiel.

Thompson range I already wrote to you. I can also write the range of a direct shot at the growth figure of PP Danuvia 43 - 250 m. PPSh - 260 m. MP-40 - 230 m. So, you need to learn it.

Quote: Damm

The moment there was no weapon under the intermediate ammunition and the plug between the pros and cons of the pistol and rifle cartridge was high.

At that time, there was a pistol, carbine, weak (or weakened) rifle (later called intermediate) and rifle cartridges. The fork was only in the open spaces of Runet. In the fantasies of sofa designers.

Quote: Damm

The intermediate cartridge is that duck that flies and swims and walks. This is his ideology

Are you talking?

Quote: Damm

I wrote about the battles in urban areas, where the Novorossiysk infantry preferred the AK47 ..

She could even choose a slingshot to them. comrade Tyutkina. But from this, this slingshot would not be better than the AK-74.

Quote: Damm

And you, like all the little dropouts, argue without citing any facts.

Those. are you telling me different gossip right now, and should I believe that these are facts? It’s ridiculous.

Quote: Damm

The rate of fire, I’ll ask any weapon as I need.

Confused again. You can set the rate of fire. The rate of fire laid constructively.

Quote: Damm

Unlike you, I know both theory and practice

Of course. Therefore, constantly confusing the rate of fire with rate of fire.

Quote: Damm

Yes, the books do not say that any barrel has a certain shot before losing accuracy.

Why not say? This is internal ballistics. In any book about this is written about the gradual loss of accuracy.

Quote: Damm

So the arka lived 8000. Saiga has already passed 10 shots. (I clean it with the most ordinary cheap oil, Ar ku licked eggs like a cat.)

I think you fell in love with her. Or bought a used one under the guise of a new one.

[Alekspel]

What are you arguing with him? His goal is not to prove anything, but to circumvent you with the more infamous the better. And his purely theoretical knowledge is evident from the syllable. With such a way to deal with one. Do not mention it. And then he will stop changing flags. Or maybe there are several of them under one nickname. Spit is the worst thing for them when they do not pay attention.

[lnew]

Quote: Alekspel

but to circumvent you the more disgusting the better.

And then. I don’t sleep at night. I’m just thinking about it. I only dream about it.

Quote: Alekspel

Or maybe there are several of them under one nickname.

Around the enemies. Precisely. The insidious enemy does not sleep.
Lord, how are you, Pinocchio, already tired of everyone.

[purple]

stubborn bespectacled man who has read articles on the internet. The conclusion is this, moreover, a greed for advertising.
I will do you a favor, give advice, do not believe what they write, in practice, as a rule, it comes out very differently.
Moreover, it is not worth building a specialist out of yourself, but I see an article prepared, NGO practice articles will not replace understand.

[lnew]

Quote: purple

I will do you a favor, I will give advice

It’s ridiculous. As for tips in this area.

Quote: purple

Yes, I see I’ve prepared for an article, NGO practice articles will not replace understand.

What articles? There are very clear requirements and criteria. The whole world lives on them. And has been making quality weapons for a long time. And only the USSR tried to "invent the bicycle" all the way.
Yes, what can I say, an army pistol and ammunition for him appeared only in the Russian Federation. For 75 years, the USSR could not make it.
I generally am silent about the rest of the rifleman. One propaganda.

[alexej123]

And yet, with Arka (your slang) "it's fun to do a selfie." You are standing all so steep, the barrel in body kits.

[Dimachrus]

ABOUT! This is how to understand that? ))) The carriers of shit democracy on ducks with M16 prefer to walk?
And if a moose or a hog in the future - a helicopter with a "volcano" for hunting?
Well, the African safari immediately to A-10 apparently have to fly)))
Write more!!! People amuse and laugh ;-)
By the way - write the account number of denezhek you will be thrown off, you rarely find a good jester - you need to encourage!

[newl]

Quote: Dimachrus

Write more!!! People amuse and laugh ;-)
By the way - write the account number of denezhek you will be thrown off, you rarely find a good jester - you need to encourage!

Some kind of clown overslept after a binge.

[sharp-lad]

The old "paddle" born in 47 is not so bad, I would not exchange it for newfangled calibers such as 5,45 mm. and 5,6 mm., But this is for the field, less branches will interfere, and for urban showdowns I would prefer a short barrel of 9 mm caliber. If the defense does not break through, it will knock you off your feet and bruises under the armor!

[newl]

Quote: sharp-lad

Old "paddle" born in 47 is not so bad

Very bad. No I am not joking. Just awful, really. Monkey, so you also need to know who. And in what area. For the Germans in the rifleman this could not be done. If I really wanted to, it was so possible for the Czechs. They were much more authoritative comrades in this area then.
And what about "in the city". Submachine guns have long been invented. All the same, they produce ammunition for army pistols. Why go to waste?

[lnew]

Quote: Vladimirets

As you already got with this wound ballistics

But how are you going to evaluate army weapons without knowing the basics? After all, these are the basics. Without them, no way. Only by the Murzilok generation method. Those. This picture is beautiful, so the weapon is good.

[Dam]

Remind me that it’s not G 36 that the Germans were discontinued and are urgently refining due to the extremely large dispersion of bullets during overheating, which occurs after 25-30 shots?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: newly

Why write on topics in which you do not understand anything?

Well, you write! So I can

In about 10 years, these 7,62x39 mm can only be read in special references. And collectors buy expensive.

I heard that about 30 years ago. Og

[newly]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Well, you write!

Do not fantasize.

Quote: Corporal Valera

I heard that about 30 years ago. Og

And you will have to endure for some time. Millions of barrels to shoot, it's not such a quick thing. But the end will still be natural. If this "weapon" was kicked out of the SA 40 years ago, then it has no future. He was only "cultivated" there. There were no more "smart" ones.

[Shadowcat]

Quote: newly

In about 10 years, these 7,62x39 mm can only be read in special references.

Uguk, and the fact that the Czechs and the Yankees use it is a trifle, and the hunters also do not disdain.

Yes, and Kshshniki of the whole world are probably full - until now under 7.62 weapons are stamped. You need to advise them juicy.

[newly]

Quote: ShadowCat

But the fact that Czechs and Yankees use it is a trifle

Did you come up with this yourself? Have you personally sold a batch of AK-74 to the American army? How much was given "on the paw"?

Quote: ShadowCat

Yes, and hunters also do not disdain

Why disdain? Good bunny and gopher. If you get close, you’ll take a roe deer with a deer. An enemy soldier, all the more so. Bad another, for the army, such a weapon is not suitable at all. Consult with Vladimirtsa, he will explain to you why. Therefore, 40 years ago, he was dismissed in the USSR. And in other countries, those where they knew the arrow, they didn’t take them into service at all.

Quote: ShadowCat

still under 7.62 stamped weapons

But not under the cartridge 7,62x39 mm. Do not distort.

[Shadowcat]

This is where I caught you. We learn materiel.

Quote: newly

Personally sold the batch of AK-74 to the American army

Do not disgrace. Did I say somewhere about the AK-74?
Colt CM901, CZ 805. And I don’t remember the weapons options laced with AK.
But if the conversation went about Kalashnikov, we look at the AK-12 (there is an option for the cartridge 7.63x39), AK-103 and AK-104. Exploiting countries see for yourself on Wikipedia.

Quote: newly

If you get very close

There is such a carbine, SKS is called, with due love it hits 2km. Very close.

Quote: newly

But not under the cartridge 7,62x39 mm. Do not distort.

Yes, easy: Boar, Colt CM901, CZ 805, AK-10x, AK-12, RPK-20x. 6 pieces of which 2 are new generations.

And what are your arguments except for cries?

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

Colt CM901, CZ 805

What units and subunits are armed with options for 7.62x39 mm? The correct answer is none. Because commercial weapons are produced on everything that can be sold. And if this weapon can be sold for hunting under a hunting cartridge, it will be made. But this is not an army weapon.

Quote: ShadowCat

AK-103 and AK-104. Exploiting countries see for yourself on Wikipedia.

I looked. He laughed. Kazakhstan, Armenia, India and Indonesia, this is strong. Rich countries. They do not save on arms.
Moreover, none of them bought this weapon for the army. For special operations only. Do you understand the difference between mass army weapons and weapons for special operations?

Quote: ShadowCat

And I don’t remember the weapons options licked with AK.

And from whom was the AK licked? It's not an authentic design. The line-up of what has already happened. Why then "licked with AK"?

Quote: ShadowCat

SKS is called, with due love it hits 2km. Very close.

And what is so modest? It was necessary to draw a toe from behind. Or two. Range of effective defeat of SKS 330 m.

Quote: ShadowCat

Boar, Colt CM901, CZ 805

This is a weapon for hunting. Distort again.

Quote: ShadowCat

AK-10x, AK-12, RPK-20x.

And again, distort. This is a weapon for special operations. The army is armed with 5.45x39 mm.

Quote: ShadowCat

And what are your arguments except for cries?

And what could be the arguments against a complete distortion?

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

Colt CM901, CZ 805

What units and subunits are armed with options for 7.62x39 mm? The correct answer is none. Because commercial weapons are produced on everything that can be sold. And if this weapon can be sold for hunting under a hunting cartridge, it will be made. But this is not an army weapon.

Quote: ShadowCat

AK-103 and AK-104. Exploiting countries see for yourself on Wikipedia.

I looked. He laughed. Kazakhstan, Armenia, India and Indonesia, this is strong. Rich countries. They do not save on arms.
Moreover, none of them bought this weapon for the army. For special operations only. Do you understand the difference between mass army weapons and weapons for special operations?

Quote: ShadowCat

And I don’t remember the weapons options licked with AK.

And from whom was the AK licked? It's not an authentic design. The line-up of what has already happened. Why then "licked with AK"?

Quote: ShadowCat

SKS is called, with due love it hits 2km. Very close.

And what is so modest? It was necessary to draw a toe from behind. Or two. Range of effective defeat of SKS 330 m.

Quote: ShadowCat

Boar, Colt CM901, CZ 805

This is a weapon for hunting. Distort again.

Quote: ShadowCat

AK-10x, AK-12, RPK-20x.

And again, distort. This is a weapon for special operations. The army is armed with 5.45x39 mm.

Quote: ShadowCat

And what are your arguments except for cries?

And what could be the arguments against a complete distortion?

[Shadowcat]

Quote: newly

And in other countries, those where they knew the arrow, they didn’t take them into service at all.

Probably in Africa or on the islands somewhere there. Take a look at the analogues.
Yankees: .30 Carbine (7,62 × 33 mm)
Fritz: 7.92x33mm Kurz
Tips: 7,62 × 39
The three leading countries are versed in small arms technology, and KBshniki is so stupid. Or stupid someone else?

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

Probably in Africa or on the islands somewhere there. Take a look at the analogues.
Yankees: .30 Carbine (7,62 × 33 mm)
Fritz: 7.92x33mm Kurz
Tips: 7,62 × 39

.30 Carbine (7,62 × 33 mm) analogue of 7,62 × 39 mm? Where did you come from? In childhood, were you sick? Is a cartridge with a bullet energy of 1314 J on a barrel an analogue of a cartridge with a bullet energy of 2019 J on a barrel of 415 mm? No. Well, a complete ignoramus in the arms. But there he climbs, he writes smart comments.
Remind me how long and for what purpose the weapons were produced on the 7.92x33mm Kurz? Do not know? Well, as you know, come back. Make us laugh.

Quote: ShadowCat

The three leading countries are versed in small arms technology, and KBshniki is so stupid. Or stupid someone else?

Where are the three leading countries? I see only one in the list, USA. And then, as it turned out, they did not produce an intermediate cartridge, but released a carbine. What is also a new word for you? At the same time study what kind of cartridges are. And what kind of weapons were on them. And I will not help you with this. I do not want.

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

Fritz: 7.92x33mm Kurz

In fact, the Germans made the MP43 to replace the very unimportant MP40. AND ONLY for panzergrenadiers (something like a tank landing, which Private Rumbled from Armpits) and huntsmen. It didn’t occur to them to arm the entire Wehrmacht (like a SA).
They did it quite openly, Internet gossip about "secretly from Hitler", it's just gossip. The fact that this weapon was not considered as a mass weapon or the main one is also indicated by its initial index "MP". The fact that further Dr. Goebbels came up with StG, well, the situation with the Germans was like that. There was only one thing to count on. Noodles on the ears, they are hung in all countries. The only difference is in its quantity.
Like the MP or the submachine gun MP43 (and later the StG44) was very ambiguous. No, everything in him seemed to be fine. And a good density of fire at 100-110 m (the distance of submachine guns). And the option of conducting effective single fire at 300 m, which was not the case with conventional submachine guns. But the cartridge ... Too powerful for a submachine gun, but too weak for normal army weapons.
So the Germans were right in constructing the StG44 as a weapon for special operations (panzergrenadiers and huntsmen). That's just as it was not suitable as the main army. And that is exactly what it was in the SA. In the form of AK-47 / AKM.
It remains to add that after the war, there were no more people willing to produce weapons on such cartridges. This was done only in one "very advanced" country (a little more in Finland). And even then, not for long.

[newly]

Quote: ShadowCat

and hunters, too, do not disdain.

Here is the hunting potential of the AK-47 from three different ranges. It is clearly seen that it is not recommended to walk on a bear at all. And a deer from 200 m can be "taken" only with great luck.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

hunting potential AK-47

This is the calculation of the rangers of the Serengeti National Park? Otherwise, who else would have the idea to go hunting with the AK-47?

[newly]

Quote: Vladimirets

Otherwise, who else would have the idea to go hunting with the AK-47?

No. This I gently hint that each living creature has its own coefficient. And man also has it.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: newly

I gently hint that each living creature has its own coefficient.

And I about the fact that this is a theory that has nothing in common except pseudoscientific calculations, with reality.

[Shadowcat]

Not. Well, it is written there! And if it is written like that, it is no different! (laugh)
After all, newly (which by the way is already from three different countries) is smarter than everyone, even under its genius KB can’t pick up, everyone does not fit.

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

(laugh)

Have you tried to laugh? And to eat? Also?
All neigh and eat. And where do you come from.

[Yuyuka]

All neigh and eat. And where do you come from.

While there are such "experts" in verbiage like you, there is no strength to laugh - you just want to laugh purely verbal diarrhea with the desire to slap as many as possible around and not to miss anyone. the conclusion is that you are either an unrecognized genius, and it’s just inconvenient for us to be illiterate, or the doctor forgot to inject another injection, well, you can understand - the holidays ...

[lnew]

Quote: Yuyuka

either you are an unrecognized genius, and we’re just uncomfortable for our ignorance,

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk. Especially to you. Because you have nothing to say. And the head serves solely to collect slops.

[newl]

Quote: Vladimirets

And I about the fact that this is a theory that has nothing in common except pseudoscientific calculations, with reality.

Theory is the foundation of reality. Weapons on a whim in the world have not been given for almost 100 years. Yes, and in the USSR for 50 years, too.

[Shadowcat]

Quote: newly

And a deer from 200 m can be "taken" only with great luck.

I must be silent. The next time I’ll take Pecheneg on a hunt, otherwise the zybr fell from SKSki at the time and did not know that it was nizya ...

You know, they say that the hands should not be from the ass and the head is in place, but to hunt for each game its cartridge.

[newl]

Quote: ShadowCat

and then from SKSki the zyubra fell in due time and did not know that nizya ..

Yes Yes. I remember this hunt. Before that, you soaked a mammoth with a hammer. But what about. I see it myself.
Go pack your briefcase, schoolboy. The day after tomorrow to school.

[sharp-lad]

Have you tried to give a queue? My school friend sat on a point in Eastern Siberia, at night with a fright, he gave a queue to the whole store for noise in the bushes .... the elk did not leave. Although the shape and construction of the bullet (designed for penetration) is very unsuitable for hunting. And please do not mix hunting and military weapons, different goals, different implementations into one pile.

[newl]

Quote: sharp-lad

Although the shape and construction of the bullet (designed for penetration) is very unsuitable for hunting.

Expansive bullets are not necessarily used for hunting.

Quote: sharp-lad

And please do not mix hunting and military weapons, different goals, different implementations into one pile.

I do not mix. But army weapons are a special case of hunting. Under the target of a certain size. + There are still a bunch of features.

[MMX]

Quote: newly

Quote: Corporal Valera

And if we talk about the world, Duc is 7,62x39

Why write on topics in which you do not understand anything? In about 10 years, these 7,62x39 mm can only be read in special references. And collectors buy expensive.

Quote: Corporal Valera

This is not a world standard.

This is a world standard. It is based on human physiology. There simply cannot be another (normal) one.

The concept of "world standard" does not exist in this case.

[newl]

Quote: MMX

The concept of "world standard" does not exist in this case.

Well yes. In this world, everything is standardized. Even the weapons of destruction are laid out on shelves.

[MMX]

Quote: newl

Quote: MMX

The concept of "world standard" does not exist in this case.

Well yes. In this world, everything is standardized. Even the weapons of destruction are laid out on shelves.

The military standard adopted by the state and the "world standard" are different concepts. If you don't see the difference, then this is your problem.
The concept of "world standard" does not exist in the context of this topic.

[lnew]

Quote: MMX

The military standard adopted by the state and the "world standard" are different concepts.

In fact, I agree. The highest standards (let's call them ideal) are not accepted everywhere. An example is the same USSR. As a mass weapon, he completely dispensed with an assault rifle (according to the TTX), although in the ideal case it would be an automatic rifle (according to the TTX).
But there was no army pistol at all. For 75 years they did not bother to develop and adopt.
But this approach is not true. And it was caused by the extreme backwardness of the USSR in terms of the development and implementation of small arms. Ideally, you need to set yourself the highest standards.

Quote: MMX

The concept of "world standard" does not exist in the context of this topic.

Okay, change one word and use "highest standard". Or "ideal standard".

[MMX]

Quote: lnew

Quote: MMX

The military standard adopted by the state and the "world standard" are different concepts.

In fact, I agree. The highest standards (let's call them ideal) are not accepted everywhere. An example is the same USSR. As a mass weapon, he completely dispensed with an assault rifle (according to the TTX), although in the ideal case it would be an automatic rifle (according to the TTX).
But there was no army pistol at all. For 75 years they did not bother to develop and adopt.
But this approach is not true. And it was caused by the extreme backwardness of the USSR in terms of the development and implementation of small arms. Ideally, you need to set yourself the highest standards.

Quote: MMX

The concept of "world standard" does not exist in the context of this topic.

Okay, change one word and use "highest standard". Or "ideal standard".

And here too by, tk. most of the world uses the "Russian standard" in armaments, and this indicates its superiority over the "highest standard" standard. At the same time, our standard has repeatedly proved its superiority over the "highest standard". It is a fact.

[lnew]

Quote: MMX

since most of the world uses the "Russian standard" in weapons

Did you come up with this yourself? М16А2 and its analogues are the main weapon in more than 80 countries of the world. The world does not even smell of the "Russian standard" invented by you. In a civilized one. And in poor Africa and Asia it still smells.
Moreover, the "Russian standard" you have invented does not coincide with the physiological one. How do you think? Nothing wrong?

Quote: MMX

and this demonstrates its superiority over the "highest standard" standard.

Well, how would boo-ha-ha.

Quote: MMX

At the same time, our standard has repeatedly proved its superiority over the "highest standard". It is a fact.

What, can you give some examples of this?
For example, I can prove the opposite. For example, Vietnam, M16A1 and AKM. After full-scale tests there, the M16A1 AKM was urgently dismissed with a knee, and instead the AK-74 was adopted. This is not a copy of M16A1, it is some kind of its weak likeness. But the Americans did not stop there, and instead of M16A1 armed with M16A2. This is such a thing, slightly better than the M16A1. And in the USSR, things remained there. Because in those days, the AK-74 was the limit of the design capabilities of the USSR. Weapon designers weren’t normal, simply put. They were legendary, but not normal. Here, the current designers inherited a 5,45x39 mm cartridge from him. And you can’t get far on it.

[MMX]

Did you come up with this yourself?

No, this is a reality. Welcome to her.

M16A2 and its analogues are the main weapons in more than 80 countries.

And in the world more than 200 countries (+ unrecognized and so on). There is no need to talk about the population. As a result, in a wide margin ... well, you understand.

The world does not even smell of the "Russian standard" invented by you. In a civilized one. And in poor Africa and Asia it still smells.

You came up with the "world standard" and "ideal". Here's an analogue. Yours invented against mine. Everything is fair))
Poor China is the world's first economy. I'm right again.

Moreover, the "Russian standard" you have invented does not coincide with the physiological one. How do you think? Nothing wrong?

Oh, fantasy. If your physiological data do not allow you to use AK, then this is purely your problem. And the world practice of military operations shows that everyone else is coping very successfully. I'm right again.

What, can you give some examples of this?
For example, I can prove the opposite. For example, Vietnam, M16A1 and AKM. After full-scale tests there, the M16A1 AKM was urgently dismissed with a knee, and instead the AK-74 was adopted. This is not a copy of M16A1, it is some kind of its weak likeness. But the Americans did not stop there, and instead of M16A1 armed with M16A2. This is such a thing, slightly better than the M16A1. And in the USSR, things remained there. Because in those days, the AK-74 was the limit of the design capabilities of the USSR. Weapon designers weren’t normal, simply put. They were legendary, but not normal. Here, the current designers inherited a 5,45x39 mm cartridge from him. And you can’t get far on it.

And here you don't need to go far for examples. You brought some of them yourself. Almost all military clashes in the second half of the 20th century ended with the victory of the "standard I invented". In Vietnam, the Americans stopped and withdrew their troops. The military goal has not been achieved. So we write down - defeat of "the best standard". It is a fact. I'm right again. However, as always in our dispute with you. It's boring even ...

[lnew]

Quote: MMX

And in the world more than 200 countries (+ unrecognized and so on).

Actually about 50.

Quote: MMX

As a result, in a wide margin ... well, you understand

I understood. M16 leads by a wide margin.

Quote: MMX

You came up with the "world standard" and "ideal".

Optimal. Based on physiology. Everything is objective there. And aiming range on an open sight. And the threshold of pain sensitivity. No gag.

Quote: MMX

Poor China is the world's first economy. I'm right again.

1. Who told you that China is poor? Have you been to China? Go and see. Fuck you. And from the prices in supermarkets, too. And the number of buyers there. According to data for 2014. the average Chinese "stands" as 9 (nine) average Russians. You live like in a cave, use some ancient fairy tales.
2. And about the first economy in the world, it's ridiculous. No, really funny. Especially now that the Chinese bubble seems to have burst.

Quote: MMX

And the world practice of military operations shows that everyone else is coping very successfully.

That's all around fools, they buy M16. What for? If possible easier and cheaper? If you can do with an ordinary ax. Understand that you can ride in Constipation. But on the Volga, better.

Quote: MMX

Almost all military clashes in the second half of the 20th century ended with the victory of the "standard I invented"

Oh. And where is it? In such places?

Quote: MMX

In Vietnam, the Americans did stop and withdraw their troops.

In Vietnam, there was no M16. Let's start with this. And the fact that they withdrew their troops, then where does the TTX AK? Do you think that if they were better, the Americans would not have withdrawn their troops? Are you sure about this?

Quote: MMX

However, as always in our dispute with you. Boring even ...

It is useless to argue with you. You are always right. And you will be right. Just like a telegraph pole. Therefore, I stop.

[newly]

Judging by the vote, neither the Pepsi generation is coming, but the Murzilka generation. Such a generation does not understand ballistics and does not want to understand it. Yes and can not, there is no knowledge. But he looks at the pictures and appreciates with pleasure.
Arm those little peasants with axes, Murzilkas will completely manage with pleasure. It’s so brutal. And Murzilkam, the more brutal they are, the cooler. And the fact that fighting with axes is difficult, so what does Murzilok mean?

[lelikas]

Quote: newly

Arm those little peasants with axes, Murzilkas will completely manage with pleasure. It’s so brutal.

As they say, the ancient Ossetians - Weid notes?

[newly]

Quote: lelikas

Side note

And then. And in orderly rows to attack. On the machine guns.

[sharp-lad]

Because of the angle on the wave you will be the one! And now they don’t even stick to machine guns with grenade launchers!

[newly]

Quote: sharp-lad

Because of the angle on the wave you will be the one!

Are there many of these corners in the field? After all, the army also has to fight in the field. That's what bad luck.

[sharp-lad]

And in the field, an ax is useful for business affairs.

[Dam]

And your nonsense does not need comments, but a consultation with a psychiatrist. And what document regulates your notorious standard, whether it is a medical history. The warrior is sofa.

[newly]

Quote: Damm

And what document regulates your notorious standard, whether it is a medical history. The warrior is sofa.

A. This is a clear representative of the Pinocchio generation. Nifiga does not understand, but she knows everything. At the same time, it is extremely harsh and obese.
Morally ready to crush everyone who knows something with asphalt rollers. To not protrude. And they were like everyone else, that is, like him. Harsh, but in the subject of conversation do not understand anything.

[Dam]

Was a specific question asked about a document? Doesn’t know, doesn’t understand. I didn’t see a single fact in your sulfur, and there’s nothing to answer. Can you give comparative characteristics of 223 caliber and 5,45 to 39. Or something else, except for the adjectives of the world standard, the best, etc. I’m ready to talk substantively

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Ready to talk substantively

And I am ready. What do you want to know? The threshold of human pain sensitivity? So you are a doctor, as you introduced yourself. What other document do you need in this regard?

[Dam]

The document, where the terrible World standard of weapons is written!

[newl]

Do you understand Russian? I wrote to you. What else do you need?

[newly]

Well, for those who are interested, it is necessary to outline the necessary steps. That the Russian military is armed a little better than now. Sometimes this "little" is very expensive.
First of all, a new competition must be held according to new criteria. Why the criteria for this contest were such, many probably guess. Or suggest.
They need to be changed. First of all, n / s weapon bullets should be brought somewhere around 940 m / s. To do this, you need to extend its trunk to about 500-505 mm. And based on such parameters, look at the accuracy of automatic fire.
Something tells me that the extended AK-12 will have no chance. I'd like to hope that competitors (or AK-12 manufacturers) will be able to do something balanced with such parameters. After all, the recoil momentum will increase by 3 and a quarter%.
What will be the result? Fully SMG will not work in any case. For this, it will be necessary to carry out a complete rearmament, but this is not realistic. Therefore, you will have to be content with weapons of the level fully SMG - (fully SMG minus). Nothing can be done here, it is not realistic to squeeze out more from a 5,45x39 mm cartridge. In fact, this is a very good option, better than now.
I think we will see such a contest. I don’t know how soon, but there are chances.

[pilot8878]

Quote: newly

The world standard implies the arming of soldiers with full automatic weapons (fully SMG). Today there are several main options:
1. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M193 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 508 mm.
2. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M855 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 440 mm.
3. This is an individual weapon on a 5,45 × 39 mm cartridge (3,4 g bullet) with a barrel length of approximately 590 mm. I warn you right away, RPK74 is not suitable here, the balance is not the same.

US world standard? I’ll tell you a secret: in addition to the cross, there are other, better countries in the world.

[newl]

Quote: pilot8878

I’ll tell you a secret: in addition to the cross, there are other, better countries in the world.

I’ll tell you a secret, sometimes it’s better to chew than talk.

[pilot8878]

Quote: newl

sometimes it's better to chew than talk.

Better yet, just do not be rude when your mind and knowledge on counterarguments are not enough. It’s bad to learn in the bobbin.

[lnew]

Quote: pilot8878

Better not to be rude,

Better yet, just don't ask boorish questions.

[Samaritan]

This photo is already about 7 years old, look here:

[newly]

Quote: Samaritan

This photo is already 7 years old, look here

Is that what I need to see? And what, from watching the film, the small arms of the soldiers will somehow change?
And then about the anti-nuclear clock, it is very interesting. But small arms are more important. This is the basis, not the clock.

[Max_Bauder]

In vain argue, the main warrior is? there is already good. There is armor, protection, and more. And ordinary soldiers with the new AK-12 can also be quietly at war as well as the m-4, and for special forces there are always special models with upgrades.

[newly]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Arguing in vain

Why so? At least 1 person will understand what I’m writing about, it’s already good. One person who understands the shooter will be more. Already make sense.

Quote: Max_Bauder

And ordinary soldiers with the new AK-12 can also be at peace, just like the m-4

1. M4 is just not for ordinary soldiers. For ordinary soldiers M16.
2. You can fight with a pitchfork. And even fought with the PPSh. And even with AK-47 they could. But with all of them I would not want, I would like with full weapons, if I have to.

[Dam]

So you yourself do not understand what you are writing about. Ak 12 uses a caliber of 5,45 * 39. According to ballistics, a complete analogue of 223 used by NATO. But the bullet will be better, unlike the 223, it does not fragment immediately after hitting any surface and can more overcome an obstacle, such as a thin wall or other obstacle. (A feature of the technology for producing bullets). In addition, AK allows the use of a steel lacquered sleeve, Arke needs brass. And so it’s been written about all this a hundred times, it will be interesting, you will find. And both of these calibers are categorically insufficient in modern combat, where the distance to the enemy has increased to 500-700m.

[newly]

Quote: Damm

In ballistics, a complete analogue of 223 used by NATO.

Are you telling this to whom? To me? I do not need. This is you tell a schoolboy. They are gullible, they are easy to mislead.

Quote: Damm

But the bullet will be better

I wrote to you about schoolchildren? I wrote. Already now I insist. And especially about the SS109 bullet tell them. How bad she is.

Quote: Damm

and can more overcome an obstacle, such as a thin wall or other obstacle. (a feature of the technology for the production of bullets)

It’s an extinction that you produce some bullets of your own. At home. Or special you describe. And in ordinary life it is customary to operate on ordinary. So in the NSD more and more ordinary appear.

Quote: Damm

In addition, AK allows the use of a steel lacquered sleeve, Arke needs brass.

What's this. Hunting double-barreled shotguns generally cost by plastic (sometimes cardboard) sleeves. Great army weapons would be your way.

Quote: Damm

And both of these calibers are categorically insufficient in modern combat, where the distance to the enemy has increased to 500-700m.

Why's that? Where do such distances come from? Ordinary mass small arms on an open sight without optics for a period beyond 400-450m did not dare. Human physiology does not allow. The rascal's eye failed.

[Dam]

Sir, alas, you are a fool. I am 45 years old, I have used a 5,45 * 39 caliber saiga and an Archi Daler arch in 223. Regarding bullets, I once again send to the Internet, telling you is boring and unpromising. I am engaged in practical shooting and sniping. Again, according to the ballistics of the above, I am sending it to the library, or if IQ does not allow it, then to the Hans. Regarding the material of the sleeve, for stupid, mass steel sleeve is cheaper at times. AK-shaped are much less critical to gross cartridge and severe operating conditions. On the last point: I wrote in Russian that these calibers are insufficient. Therefore, the Americans are returning to the 308 caliber in Afghanistan. Ours use the good old 7,62 * 54. There is a tendency to strengthen the battle group with more powerful rifle calibers. In all discussions, the possibility of adopting weapons in the 300win mag and 338 lapua mag is being discussed. And at the expense of optics, in the warrior, among others, there is a wide-focus sight Racurs P. Again, I am sending you to x .., to the original source. Troll your grandmother, and ignorance is not hidden alas and ah.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

Sir, alas, you are a fool.

Sam do * ac.

Quote: Damm

I am engaged in practical shooting and sniping.

How many times can you write that sporting weapons have nothing to do with hunting weapons (and army ones, this is a special case of hunting)? What do your skills have to do with determining weapon effectiveness? Are you a coroner? Criminal pathologist? Well, just sit quietly.

Quote: Damm

On the last point: I wrote in Russian that these calibers are insufficient.

PPC. Learn how their bullets differ from the classic ones. Maybe then you will understand something.

Quote: Damm

Therefore, the Americans are returning to the 308 caliber in Afghanistan.

They don’t come back, but he was always there. These are not competitors. Each has its own niche. You are confusing ammo.

Quote: Damm

There is a tendency to strengthen the battle group with more powerful rifle calibers.

Yes? Where else are such cartridges used, besides the traditional MG (company machine guns; not German MG42) and sniper rifles?

Quote: Damm

In all discussions, the possibility of adopting weapons in the 300win mag and 338 lapua mag is being discussed.

To promise is not to marry.

Quote: Damm

And at the expense of optics, in the warrior, among others, a wide-focus sight Racurs P.

You do not look like a person. I wrote to you from the very beginning that there it is necessary to strengthen the most important thing, the shooter. And he told me about the scope for a shotgun. Reinforced concrete man.

Quote: Damm

and ignorance does not hide alas and ah.

The loudest "stop the thief", as a rule, shouts the thief himself.

[Dam]

I am a surgeon, I graduated from the Kirov Medical Academy in 1994. We can talk about wound channels, a pulsating cavity and features of body damage when using different calibers of weapons, if you are interested, so go quietly on the subject. What do you mean by a classic bullet? A feature of small calibers when they enter the body is a very large pulsating cavity, which forms extensive tissue necrosis around the wound canal (the reason is the very high speed of the bullet is more than 1000 m / s.). The second feature is the unstable behavior of the bullet in the wound channel, because, due to its low weight and high speed, the bullet is re-stabilized in flight and easily breaks into a somersault. Above I wrote about the features of the technology for the production of bullets 223, 5,45 * 39 is easily fragmented, which from the cavity in the nose begins to spin in the wound and change the direction of the wound channel. The data are open, the British are armed with 300 Vin Mage. The Americans used the 308 caliber before the Marxists, now there is a tendency to use 308 everywhere in the combat units of Afghanistan, the Marines are armed with Rem 700 in 308. Our specialists are using the 338 Magnum paw with might and main (I regularly see them when shooting at Sand). In the army, the role of the long arm is played by the SVD and its clones of 7.62 * 54 r caliber and machine guns. This is by the way, about knowledge and ignorance. Parry.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

the reason is a very high bullet speed of more than 1000m / s. )

Actually, the main reason is the bullet’s turn. This is not an accident, so conceived.
And there have never been such speeds on target. 500-550 m / s for M16 of various types and AK-74 for 400m.

Quote: Damm

now there is a tendency to use 308 throughout Afghanistan's combat units

There are no combat units in Afghanistan. There is a police operation. It is simply carried out by army forces. But the real war is not there. Therefore, the example is not correct.

Quote: Damm

This is by the way, about knowledge and ignorance. Parry.

What to fend off? What do SVD and company machine guns use? What for? Read here, somewhere, I wrote that small-caliber sniper guns and company machine guns are not competitors. They have their own niches and their own ammunition. So there’s nothing to fend off.

[Dam]

What is a u-turn? Where? The speed of the bullet is correctly given at the cut of the barrel. Hitting the target can be at any distance. Even the slower 9,3 * 74 r have a velocity at the cut of the barrel in the range from 550 to 800 m / s (see the manual on the equipment of the Lapua cartridge). Operating speeds of 7,62 calibres from 770 to + - 900m / s. Now about the professional: modern wars are characterized by a much greater distance of opponents from each other, excluding urban battles. So in urban battles, an intermediate cartridge of 7,62 * 39 looks more preferable, due to a more confident off-target defeat of the enemy. In battles in New Russia, Syria, there is a tendency to keep the enemy at a distance where the defeat of the enemy by personal small arms is more an accident than targeted work (again, excluding the work of the DRG and fighting in urban areas. In addition, as it turned out, 7,62 * 39 in unlike small bullets, it works well in light armored vehicles. So, there’s nothing absolute. Regarding the defeat of personnel. A man is a very gentle animal, dies from shock in the absence of help very quickly, and according to figs, it’s a fashionable bullet or a dumb fragment of a warhead. No need intensify the damaging effect of the bullet. By the way, when switching to small caliber, it was implied that this is a more humane weapon. Features gained much later

[newl]

Quote: Damm

The speed of the bullet is correctly given at the cut of the barrel.

PPC. On which section? There she is always the same. Different she is always on target. And only this final speed is important. You do not shoot at the enemy at point blank range? Or was it just that they were going to fight?

Quote: Damm

modern wars are characterized by a much greater distance of opponents from each other, excluding urban battles

Modern wars are currently missing. Therefore, there is no point in discussing this topic.

Quote: Damm

So in urban battles, an intermediate cartridge of 7,62 * 39 looks more preferable, due to a more confident off-target defeat of the enemy

This is not an army weapon. This is a weapon for special operations. It can be anything, it’s on the DShK cartridge. But this is not a massive army armament.

Quote: Damm

In the battles in New Russia, Syria, there is a tendency to keep the enemy at a distance

There is no full-scale war. There are armed conflicts.

Quote: Damm

In addition, as it turned out, 7,62 * 39, unlike small bullets, works well in light armored vehicles.

Do not tell, okay?

Quote: Damm

There is no need to strengthen the damaging effect of the bullet.

Did you come up with this yourself? The whole world is working on it, but this is not necessary.

Quote: Damm

By the way, when switching to small calibers, it was implied that this is a more humane weapon. Features gained much later

Are you really not in yourself to write this? In fact, weapons are adopted after testing. And your methodology smacks of valentism. This is not done in the world.

Quote: Damm

A man is a very gentle animal, dies from shock in the absence of help very quickly

Not very tender. Therefore, they design weapons with specified performance characteristics to help him.

[Dam]

I promised not to write anymore, but that.
The speed of the bullet at the cut of the barrel will always be different depending on the ammunition, the length of the barrel, the chamber and a cloud of other factors. The speed of the bullet at different distances is averaged and conditional for use in ballistic calculations (ignorant, to mom, alphabet in hand)
The whole Middle East has now fallen, there are no wars, Cool!
What DShK, rave?
Look at the photo MTLB and armored personnel carrier punched 7,62, 39 in Novorossia. There are a lot of them in nete.
The striking effect of a bullet is enhanced in hunting semi-shell cartridges.
Goodbye, to school, to school to learn lessons

[newl]

Quote: Damm

The speed of the bullet at the cut of the barrel will always be different depending on the ammunition, the length of the barrel, the chamber and a cloud of other factors.

You are an amazing fruit. We have just been discussing perfectly conventional weapons on solidly guarded munitions. But here you have taken from somewhere trunks of different dildos, different chamber, different ammunition. You do not split personality for an hour?

Quote: Damm

The speed of the bullet at different distances is averaged and conditional for use in ballistic calculations (ignorant, to mom, alphabet in hand)

Listen, uch, you already got me. Open NSD to any weapon. There at the end there are speed tables at different distances. They are completely specific and accurate. Nifiga does not know, just to write a fuck.

Quote: Damm

There are a lot of them in nete.

There is a lot in nete. There are even your comments there.

Quote: Damm

The striking effect of a bullet is enhanced in hunting semi-shell cartridges.

You decided to write everything straight, what you know? Bravo. Generally, "half-shell bullets" are called expansive.

Quote: Damm

Goodbye, to school, to school to learn lessons

So I say. It’s time for you to go. And then you began to talk something.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Damm

A feature of small calibers when they enter the body is a very large pulsating cavity, which forms extensive tissue necrosis around the wound canal (the reason is the very high speed of the bullet is more than 1000 m / s.).

Colleague, I will correct you a little. Not just small calibers, but the so-called small "long" calibers, you understand what I mean. Here the ratio of the caliber to the power of the cartridge itself plays a role. The creepy properties described by you have the same, so-called. mountain cartridges .300ВМ and .338ЛМ when used by stupid people, for example, in forest hunting. The same is true for .223rem and .243vin.

[Dam]

Meant under small combat 223 and 5,45 * 39, magnums also have the same effect as high-speed ones. But here the power is excessive, for a person

[avia1991]

Quote: Damm

Again, I am sending you to x .., to the original source.

it’s better not to offend the source - the first point is enough!
After reading the comments, want to testify respect Your knowledge and experience

[Shadowcat]

Yes, there is no Warrior! No! They have no. That's offended. Again, the Russians are fighting non-convection;)

[NEXUS]

Quote: Black

Finally, the world standard. Stylish, functional and thoughtful. Beauties. )))

And it was stated that 50-70 thousand sets per year will be produced per year ... apparently they accelerate production. Good deed.

[Vadivak]

Quote: awersa

Well, thank God, those days have passed when the main criterion for the form / equipment was “Beauty from Yudashkin”)))

There was a very decent form, look at the photo link

In a published interview with Izvestia, the designer disowned the uniforms that the military pass off as clothes “from Yudashkin,” scolding them for being impractical and blaming the couturier for dozens of soldiers with colds. According to Yudashkin, the Ministry of Defense grossly distorted his project, replacing fabrics, accessories and heat-retaining materials with cheap counterparts.

The company of the fashion designer in an official statement stated that the field uniform, currently supplied to the Russian army, has nothing to do with the designs developed by the Yudashkin Fashion House and approved by the Ministry of Defense and the Supreme Command.

"LLC" Valentin Yudashkin "and personally Valentin Yudashkin are concerned about the situation around the field uniform for military personnel supplied for scheduled supply to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation," Interfax quotes a statement from the company's management.

The authors of the document note that the military did not provide an opportunity for Yudashkin's company to "exercise its right to author's control over the quality of products supplied to the Armed Forces." "We are surprised by the fact that no one has asked fair questions to date, who supplies the form for planned supply to the Armed Forces, where it is produced, what fabrics and materials are used for its production," the statement says. According to the company's management, as soon as answers to these questions are received, it will immediately become clear that the Fashion House is not involved in the new form.
http://www.newsru.com/russia/21nov2012/judashkin_2.html

[The black]

Yes, yes, that's right. I remember this story.
Yudashkin then almost officially disowned what was being supplied to the troops. This happened, if I don’t confuse anything, after the story of the mass illness of recruits pneumonia. The material there, from which the uniform was sewn, was very different from the samples that were shown to the President and the Minister of Defense.

[Mavrikiy]

I think, "Dozens of soldiers with colds", no one would have noticed. But from thousands ...

[Teammon]

Yes, probably the original form "from Yudashkin" was of better quality, but what happened in 2010, when the spring recruits arrived at military unit 54096, is the fact that the guys were really blown away ..

[dmi.pris1]

Now another standard .. "Beauty from" polite people "..

Quote: awersa

Well, thank God, those days have passed when the main criterion for the form / equipment was “Beauty from Yudashkin”)))

[Basarev]

Quote: dmi.pris

The mobility of the fighter should increase through the use of exoskeletons

So Crimson Dynamo is approaching.

[vovanpain]

Warrior - Russian military equipment of a serviceman, also referred to as the “soldier of the future kit”. The “Warrior” is part of a general project to improve the quality of a single soldier on the battlefield by using the latest scientific achievements in the field of navigation, night vision systems, monitoring the psychophysiological state of a soldier, and using advanced materials in the manufacture of armor and clothing fabrics. The system is a complex of modern means of protection, communications, weapons and ammunition. Research and development work was carried out by dozens of Russian defense enterprises such as FSUE TsNIITOCHMASH, NPO Special equipment and communications, NGO Special materials and others. According to the creators, the new equipment will be able to compete on equal terms with similar models of equipment of the “soldier of the future”. The structure of the "Warrior" includes about 10 subsystems. According to the First Deputy Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission established under the Government of the Russian Federation, Yuri Borisov, this kit will be distinguished by a modular layout and will be adapted to operate in a variety of conditions and at any time of the day. "Warrior" was developed on the basis of equipment "Barmitsa".

[vovanpain]

Features

The portable set R-175 (UNKV-03) consists of a radio station R-168-0,5UM,
R-175_ (UNKV-03) of a communicator of a subscriber AK-3,5 and a tactical terminal TT-6,5
Navigation and control system of tactical link from ICD Compass under the "code" name "Soldier of the XNUMXst Century"
Collimator sight PKM-Alpha equipment “Ratnik”
800px-Collimator_ sight_PKM-Alpha

The equipment was first presented to the audience at the MAKS-2011 air show. Military tests were held in December 2012 on the basis of the 27th separate motorized rifle brigade in the Alabino training ground near Moscow. According to the results of military tests, the elements of equipment received a positive assessment of the military command.

[vovanpain]

The "Ratnik" includes;
Kamenskvolokno aramid overalls made of fiber "Alutex", capable of withstanding the ingress of fragments of grenades, mines or shells, and also has a certain fire resistance;
the protection kit includes a bulletproof vest 6B43 (with ceramic plates) of protection class 6a in an extended configuration (weight - up to 15 kg) or class 5 in a standard configuration (weight - up to 9 kg) according to GOST R 51136-98, GOST R 51112-97 GOST R 50941-96. And a multi-layer helmet withstanding the impact of a pistol bullet (protection class 1) from a distance of 5-10 m.
800px-6B45_bulletproof_vest_-_InnovationDay2013part1-61

the kit is equipped with the Sagittarius control system, which includes communication, target designation, processing and display of information, identification - which allows transmitting information about the location of the soldier to the command post;
a communicator that determines the coordinates of a fighter using GLONASS and GPS, to solve the problem of orientation on the ground and target designation and other applied calculations;
energy supply kits;
safety glasses capable of withstanding the impact of 6 mm fragments flying at a speed of 350 m / s;
shields on the knee and elbow joints, water purification filters, autonomous heat sources;
AK-12 or a modernized AK of other versions, equipped with a night vision scope and thermal imaging aiming system;
a video module for sheltering, consisting of a helmet-mounted minimonitor and a television sight;
“Krechet” collimator sight and other devices (in addition to the sight, a 3-fold telescope or a “Lun” night vision monocular can be installed);
different types of backpacks are included in the life support system (universal backpack with a volume of 50 liters, a raid pack of 10 liters;
unloading vest with interchangeable quick-detachable elements), camouflage kits, folding heat-insulating pad, removable insulation for winter use, a ventilated T-shirt, a vest with ammunition compartments, a rug, a raincoat, a cap, a hood, a mosquito net;
tent, sleeping bag;
active headphones that allow you to communicate during the battle;
knife "Bumblebee".
The total weight of the kit is up to 20 kilograms with body armor 6A protection class. In the standard version, the weight will be up to 14 kilograms with body armor of the 5th protection class. The weight of the helmet is 1,056 kg. In general, 90% of the surface of a soldier’s body is covered. Body armor has several varieties from light to heavy with insert plates. The marine version of body armor combines the properties of a life jacket, which makes it possible to stay afloat with it. Modularity allows you to fasten any pockets on the unloading vest. The winter version will differ only in the presence of heat supply and insulation.

[vovanpain]

Designed to be worn continuously for a minimum of 48 hours. The transmission of video information from the sight to the eye indicator is carried out wirelessly. The communication system will allow the soldier to communicate with the command and colleagues at a tactical level. The electronic saturation makes the soldier a unified combat system controlled by the latest technology. At the same time, information about the location of the fighter is transmitted to the command post (CP), which greatly reduces the loss of the missing. Communication is provided by the Sagittarius intelligence, control and communications complex, which allows you to exchange information using voice or text messages, carry out target designation, and take photos and videos. The television sight on the machine gives an image in the eyecup, which allows shooting and surveillance from shelters or from the hip. For anti-aircraft gunners, automatic control of anti-aircraft missile systems has been created, with the help of which the commander detects targets at a distance of several tens of kilometers and transfers the coordinates in automatic mode to soldiers. From one point can receive commands up to nine anti-aircraft gunners. This will exhaust the need for a visual search for targets by the anti-aircraft gunners themselves. The system allows you to get out of an ambush at the right time for a shot and hide again. It can also be used by snipers and grenade launchers to fire. Such a system will be possible to use for the protection of military convoys.

At the end of the service, well-worn clothing will be handed over to recruits after sanitation

[shans2]

"The TV sight on the machine provides an image in the eyecup, which allows firing and observation from cover or from the hip."

But this is really cool!

[mirag2]

"Beauty from Yudashkin"- great that we remembered the "modernization" of the army, born in the Russian-Phobic environment of liberal-globalists.

[Tor5]

Has the process really gone in the right direction?

[Sorokin]

Do not remember this goat spawn. Hugo unfinished.

[Kvazar]

And why do you forgive the PARADE form from Yudashkin does not suit you? There they laid the necessary materials and expensive. And the fact that someone decided to save on a parade and sewed in violation of all TTZ from Mr. Yudashkin is not a problem. By the way, he was developing a parade for his money in the only center of designer clothes in Russia. If that Hugo Boss already does the Uniform at the Bundesfer and everyone considers it normal. What is the PARADE form designers do, not the designer.

Yudashkin did not make a combat uniform. Honestly got the word already.

[st25310]

"Warrior". Russian armor of the future.

[yuriy55]

Thank. Well complementary video

[dr.star75]

And the fourth generation is probably the robots will run ..

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: dr.star75

And the 4 generation is probably the robots will run .. laughing

Exoskeleton and exosuit.

[Grigorievich]

They look good, but what kind of rifle does a fighter have in the background? A sniper?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Grigorievich

Sniper?

This is ORSIS T-5000.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The main thing is that the United States should not be copied in everything .. And I hope they won’t forget about the good old quilted jackets (they bent half of Europe))))

[Altona]

Quote: MIKHAN

The main thing is that the United States is not copied in everything.

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Yes, they do copy exactly, but this is a global trend, a general trend. Because the USA is constantly engaged in improving uniforms and equipment.

[guzik007]

Mihan ???? What happened???

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: guzik007

Mihan ???? What happened???

As you can see ... Fine, then shooting!

[guzik007]

As you can see ... Fine, then shooting!
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Yeah, here you’re not here, just watch the broom: =)

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: guzik007

As you can see ... Fine, then shooting!
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Yeah, here you’re not here, just watch the broom: =)

Shoot ....

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

MIKHAN-about the padded jacket, he’ll still show himself, they’ll give me a version of the armored car ... (just kidding).

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

MIKHAN-about the padded jacket, he’ll still show himself, they’ll give me a version of the armored car ... (just kidding).

Yes, there were times ..
But I still wouldn’t lose my quilted jackets ... Heat is cheap and practical!

[Sorokin]

I agree especially remember indoor officers. Warming and not wet.

[Mountain shooter]

The fighter in the foreground - AEK, and in the background - a new sniper. Did not recognize immediately.

[The black]

Precisely AEK ..... gentlemen minus, and what is wrong?

[v1tz]

more similar to AK-107 or 108, the same balanced automation as on AEK ...

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Black

Precisely AEK ..... gentlemen minus, and what is wrong?

What did not guess ...

[The black]

Yes, the fact of the matter is that he "guessed" (was right). But your photos are not AEK. Take a closer look, you will find the differences

[dmi.pris1]

Ak12 in the picture .. A sniper rifle is similar to ORTIS2000, although I could be wrong

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The fighter in the foreground - AEK, and in the background - a new sniper. Did not recognize immediately.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: dmi.pris

Ak12 in the picture ..

Another one, DON'T GUESS ...

[tol]

AK 107 or 108, more precisely probably AK-107 under our 5.45, but shops are 60 strange, as far as I know, they didn’t go to the series

[FIREMAN]

but the shops are 60 strange, as far as I know the series did not go

Most likely this is just the remnants of an experimental batch, a photo from some factory site, info about these stores at the HANZ back in 2010 slipped.

[tol]

I also think, but if the GRAU index was given (6L31) then it can be used, he had overlapping feed streams with an incomplete store, but here a friend writes that they eliminated (http://gunsforum.com/blog/7/entry-1 -magazin-ak-na-60-patronov-6l31 /)

[Reserve buildbat]

It is interesting that the "Ratnik" is just entering the troops, but it is already quite possible to buy it in parts. And the BZ, and the helmet, and the anti-splinter suit, and glasses, and the RPS - everything. They told me that it was illegal.
Although I'm already thinking about buying it. Try on

[Wheel]

Quote: Stroibat stock

It is interesting that the "Ratnik" is just entering the troops, but it is already quite possible to buy it in parts. And the BZ, and the helmet, and the anti-splinter suit, and glasses, and the RPS - everything. They told me that it was illegal.

Business, nothing personal.

[gg.na]

For a warrior to be a full-fledged defender of his homeland, he must be fed, shod, dressed and armed !!! I am very pleased with such news as the modernization of the Su-35go ZRKashki also modernized for landing, here they created the form at the proper level! In general, all types of equipment and weapons have begun either to create completely new ones or to upgrade to a more acceptable level!

[guzik007]

The warrior is very good. If only the budget was pulled.

[v1tz]

To interact with this equipment you need training and training, will not let the guys get bored ...

[In search]

And most importantly ... only 12 years are needed to provide regular troops. We don’t even talk about reservists - it’s necessary to beat mobile warehouses at such a pace for about 100 years. Trifle.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

It is necessary for Americans to lick an ass - they will provide faster?

[Izotovp]

Integrated air filtration tools are needed with the possibility of their quick activation in manual or automatic mode. Especially relevant in a dusty or urban environment.

[chunga-changa]

The future lies in hermetic combat suits.
Interestingly, the development is underway?

[Izotovp]

Then we need cooperation with Npp Zvezda, developers of space suits for Roskosmos.

[chunga-changa]

It is unlikely that they have a completely different experience for completely different conditions. Literally nothing will come in handy, well, maybe except for some parts of the respiratory system.

[Izotovp]

Their experience is applicable for creating the inside of a combat spacesuit: climate, ergonomics, air supply, nutrition, sweating ... Space suits operate in a wide range of temperatures and in conditions of increased radiation.

[chunga-changa]

The climate is completely different, in space. In spacesuits, this is a layer of tubes with a liquid that removes body heat into an external heat exchanger, in combat conditions this system will not last very long. Everything is simpler on earth, heat can be dissipated by evaporation of sweat by a simple blowing. Ergonomics in general did not come close, and the tasks are different and there are no restrictions on mobility. Have you seen how the astronauts move? With such "ergonomics" on the battlefield you will live about thirty seconds, if you are not Sandra Bullock, of course. Well, if only "food" - a tube from the built-in "camelback", you can eat quite as usual - take off your helmet and chop the stew.
The most realistic thing now is to develop a spacesuit for crews of military vehicles. An exoskeleton is not needed, or if needed, it can be carried separately. Non-combustible material with good anti-splinter resistance. The breathing system is connected to a standard HVF machine, heat transfer due to a standard air conditioner, or forced airflow. Plus a small container of compressed air, for about five minutes, to leave the burning machine, or in case of a malfunction of the HLF. The helmet has a built-in communication system - goodbye TPU, saves the face from fire and splinters, respiratory organs from burns. The visor can be used as an indicator instead of monitors. Plus, an integrated system of medical sensors, monitors, tourniquets, automatic feeding of some kind of hemostatic and sealing foam. In general, it’s very close to what pilots have, only easier, there is no need to compensate for overloads and low temperatures.

[Izotovp]

I did not even call to create a combat suit by examining Orlan ceramic tiles a. But they have experience in creating spacesuits and not only for spacewalks. And this experience can be used.
By the way, as a really fantastic thing: I once met as a concept a variant of an infantry fighting vehicle with ejection seats in the landing, triggered by a mine or RPG explosion and with the possibility of conventional landing via a ramp.

[chunga-changa]

I thought about catapults myself. Everything is very expensive and there is a moment - the bailout will technically occur after the detonation, so there will be no use in light armored vehicles, everyone will die, and their corpses will be ejected. But for equipment protected at the level of "armata" can be. Well, again, catapults appeared when it became simply impossible to leave the plane in the usual way. The training of a combat pilot is estimated at 1 million. dollars. It turned out that trained, valuable personnel perished in any accident or aircraft defeat. Yes, and I think the pilots would simply refuse to fly in cars that in case of something impossible to leave. There is no such problem with armored vehicles, crew training is much cheaper, the requirements are lower and there are always hatches. The fact that at best one out of three is saved is already a matter of fact. In armored vehicles, it is more logical - firing hatches and spring or pneumatic seats that move out of the vehicle, and then, if alive, already by itself.

[Izotovp]

Here a purely technical question arises: the speed of the pressure and temperature sensor and the speed of the ejection mechanism. Judging by the frames of the crash at the air show with the Su-27, the speed of the catapult is very high.
The cost of a modern qualified contractor has also increased (sorry for cynicism), but there is one more difficult question: if there is nothing above the airborne squad and where to fly, then where will the crew of the same tank be? There is a tower, or at least an gun barrel! This is the question of filling (((.

[Taygerus]

There is more new in the troops and equipment and ammunition and ammunition, the news is good, without a strong and modern army Russia cannot survive in the current world conditions, especially the new developments in modern Russia and the friendly whine of our "partners" about their implementation, article plus

[2s1122]

It’s a very nice form, green like that. Now there’s no reason for Europeans to be afraid of green men from grasshoppers

[Nomad]

dreamed, the enemy is also a soldier, even if green, even red, you will not frighten anyone with color! So calm down

[valokordin]

At least 10 thousand sets should be sent to Donetsk and Lugansk.

[Izotovp]

And who said that the vacationers are not there?
In any case, it was expected)))

[Mikhail Krapivin]

And for each kit in the kit paratrooper :) (I apologize for the tautology)

[Vadim237]

Expensive, there is one set, not complete, it will cost a million rubles.

[Ugrumiy]

It’s 80 thousand! For the whole year! Done achievement of the defense industry!

[Vadim237]

I wonder how many sets will be delivered this year.

[shans2]

capacities allow delivering up to 100 thousand sets per year, as they said.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Everything is fine, a cool system, no questions. But there is so much electronics ... As if any clash has not turned into a fight by hackers - who better blinds, stuns, and deceives an enemy soldier sitting at the keyboard, and not on the battlefield. So that the soldier sees the targets where they are not there and that he himself crawls under the bullets ...

[From Samara]

AK-all the same lobby in the person of Rogozin was sold ...

[Nomad]

Nice kit, just do not like the color of camouflage! As a hunter, I know this color, the farther the blacker. From afar, the soldier will be like a black target. Americans have the color aku and cartoons, here are universal colors.

[Siberia 9444]

Normal per month is more than 6000 tons, but you also need + reserve, approximately how much, two million. Until 2020 they’ll do it.

[Nomad]

It is interesting whether the fabric is breathable or not, as I know for comfort the clothes should be breathable!

[Leader]

Why are the uniforms and equipment of the soldiers different from each other in the photo in the article?
The glasses are different, the helmets are different, the KMF is different, on one there are no elbow pieces, the straps of the backpacks are different ...
I thought the uniform should be uniform ...

[11 black]

Quote: Leader

Why are the uniforms and equipment of the soldiers different from each other in the photo in the article?
The glasses are different, the helmets are different, the KMF is different, on one there are no elbow pieces, the straps of the backpacks are different ...
I thought the uniform should be uniform ...

Because the sniper is standing behind, I believe, the Warrior is individual for each military specialty, or maybe he just took off his guards

[Ukropus]

Because the sniper is standing behind, I believe, the Warrior is individual for each military specialty, or maybe he just took off his guards

And so the cover of the headphones acid-frog horizontal camouflage colors instead of a dark green numbers ??? And why on black ak an olive belt? Back in the 90s? Prefabricated hodgepodge ... although when the whole kit is dressed in the mind it looks great. Another thing is whether the membrane tissue, how well the seams are sewn and what is the overall wear resistance. Because if the prisoners sewed, then sadness (it used to be).

[tinibar]

Quote: newly

Quote: Vadim237

Cartridges for this rifle are produced in Russia.

And can you remember the plant?

Tula Cartridge Plant

[newly]

Quote: tinibar

Tula Cartridge Plant

Of course. Once the rifle is from there. Only this "scale" of ammunition production will not work for the army.

[Denis Skiff]

The vending machine shop is wide. Is this photo or that?

[Siberia 9444]

60 rounds not

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: newly

Quote: Damm

And what document regulates your notorious standard, whether it is a medical history. The warrior is sofa.

A. This is a clear representative of the Pinocchio generation. Nifiga does not understand, but she knows everything. At the same time, it is extremely harsh and obese.
Morally ready to crush everyone who knows something with asphalt rollers. To not protrude. And they were like everyone else, that is, like him. Harsh, but in the subject of conversation do not understand anything.

Well, tell us ignorant how it turns out that against our ax with ballistics knowledge like yours, no one dared to shoot us with heaped up trash today? Yes you are in the subject, man.

[newly]

Quote: Denis-Skiff

what against our ax

Are you Denis Skif armed with an ax? Does the police know about this?

Quote: Denis-Skiff

nobody decided to shoot us with heaped up trash today?

And why did you decide that someone is facing the task of you, the user Denis-Skif, to shoot? If there is firm confidence in this, then run to the police to write a statement.

[sharp-lad]

And I drive the ax in the car, well, cut the bushes, well, there, sharpen the pegs.

[maximka]

I will not put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot at the target !!!!!

Four basic safety precautions written by the blood of victims of abuse of weapons:
1. I will always handle weapons as if they are loaded.
2. I will never point the weapon where I will not shoot.
3. I will not put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot at the target.
4. Before you shoot, I will always check what is behind the target and in front of it.

[maximka]

I will not put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot at the target !!!!!
http://warfiles.ru/show-105112-ukrainskiy-soldat-na-blokpostu-otstrelil-sebe-yay
ca.html

Four basic safety precautions written by the blood of victims of abuse of weapons:
1. I will always handle weapons as if they are loaded.
2. I will never point the weapon where I will not shoot.
3. I will not put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot at the target.
4. Before you shoot, I will always check what is behind the target and in front of it.

[Andryukha G]

Quote: newly

The world standard implies the arming of soldiers with full automatic weapons (fully SMG). Today there are several main options:
1. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M193 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 508 mm.
2. This is an individual weapon on a 5,56 × 45 mm M855 cartridge with a barrel length of approximately 440 mm.
3. This is an individual weapon on a 5,45 × 39 mm cartridge (3,4 g bullet) with a barrel length of approximately 590 mm. I warn you right away, RPK74 is not suitable here, the balance is not the same.
Something I do not see such weapons. Maybe it is, but terribly secret?

All over the world and even in Africa they know how recently your Bundeswehr guys screwed up (in Russian, of course, it sounds different) with their cool German assault rifles in Afghanistan, where they didn’t want to shoot at all (because of barrel overheating) at the attackers Mujahideen. And it is not surprising that Nevly has a rating of more than - 3000.

[newl]

Quote: Andryukha G

All over the world and even in Africa they know how recently your Bundeswehr boys screwed up

My bundeswehr boys? Why not yours?

Quote: Andryukha G

with their cool German assault rifles in Afghanistan, where they didn’t want to shoot at all (due to barrel overheating) at the attacking Mujahideen

Now I realized what the story was. These are not your guys from the Bundeswehr. These are your guys from the US army. Special Forces. Someone thought of equipping them with light weapons, so as not to carry "excess" on themselves. Therefore, it was not the M16A4, but the M4A1, which was armed very economically. Everything would be fine. Only here M16A4 is a fully SMG (automatic rifle with ballistics (full)). And M4A1 is an automatic short rifle (i.e. an automatic carbine). Weapons are quite different. This is not an evil guy who forgot to cut off a piece of the barrel from the M16A4, this is how it should be. The result was not long in coming. M4A1 could not stand a more or less serious battle. He's not designed for that.

[rJIiOK]

Wow! Our very quickly turn over.
At least it looks fast. I believe that scientists and the defense industry have worked for years for this.

[Santjaga_Garka]

In this regard, an old joke is recalled, a little conveyed:

The American Army and the Russian meet:

Americans: see how many of us, we are the whole Army, we have Airplanes-helicopters-tanks-armored personnel carriers-doh-era-all !!

Russian, and usRat *)

[Russian]

Quote: newly

Quote: Corporal Valera

And if we talk about the world, Duc is 7,62x39

Why write on topics in which you do not understand anything? In about 10 years, these 7,62x39 mm can only be read in special references. And collectors buy expensive.

Quote: Corporal Valera

This is not a world standard.

This is a world standard. It is based on human physiology. There simply cannot be another (normal) one.

Then catch my minus!

[newl]

Quote: Rossiyanin

Then catch my minus!

Oh God. How to live with it now?

[Ugrumiy]

Quote: rJIiOK

Wow! Our very quickly turn over.
At least it looks fast. I believe that scientists and the defense industry have worked for years for this.

Not very quickly and often stupidly and with savings in the wrong place, and all this in the presence of a threatened period and a pre-war situation in the world. 80 thousand sets is a drop in the ocean, besides, the quality of them walks, like that of the new form. With "Warrior" they calved for almost ten years, or even more, although the troops had long needed it, and now a rooster roasted in a well ... pecked, so they ran around.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: newl

Quote: avia1991

And at the same time take an interest in why your Venezno special forces at the first opportunity throw away the vaunted M16 - and grab the AK47?

Did you invent the "passions" themselves? Go ahead, you're good at it.

Quote: avia1991

There is something that the Internet rubs you - but there is a harsh combat experience. Which you obviously do not have! Therefore, do not build Xperd by rewriting someone else's stool here.

Have you got it? Now drink the usual glass (which one today?) And calm down. You are our experienced. In this case.

You are respected very much in the manner of your presentation of thoughts, similar to my neighbor in the country! So, he did not even serve in the army (let alone fought), his dimensions are like an elephant, but talks about physical training and special professional qualities as if he spent his whole life in battles! And about a glass to colleagues, this is from the category of vulgar "jokes" about a Russian person. They drink that they pour over the collar, not only Russians. There are guys of other nationalities who do it much more often and much more in terms of the volume of drunk. Especially I was funny to hear this version about alcohol from former teetotalers b ...

[kos2cool4u]

Quote: Damm

Similar to Orsis T 5000

So it is - this is ORSIS (the best screwdriver in the world)

[Dam]

Do not be like an American comrade. I would say: very good. But in the world there are many other worthy chatterboxes.

[lnew]

Quote: Damm

Do not be like an American comrade.

And what, whoever recognizes the obvious fact, is this "American comrade"?
And what is the name of the one who tells fairy tales in the style of "Soviet means excellent"?

[Dam]

I only recommend not using adjectives, the best, unprecedented, unique. If you read the comments above, I have Orsis. A good trunk, but to the best you still have to work

[lnew]

Quote: Damm

I have an Orsis.

Actually, I'm not talking about Orsis.
I mean that the AK-74 can not stand any comparison with the M16A2 (and even M16A1). Simply because it is a weapon of different classes. M16A2 in terms of effective destruction is a step higher than the AK-74 (automatic rifle against an assault rifle) despite the fact that both of these samples are automatic. Those. have the same combat rate of fire.
Do you think that the one who admits this obvious fact is an "American comrade", a shpien and the 38th column on the left? Do you think that you need to stick your head in the sand and scream in a bad voice that everything is fine in this area?

[Dam]

Read the above. Repeat laziness. This weapon, by virtue of the ammunition used, has a similar effective destruction distance. The sores and problems of the ammunition used are similar. Both trunks have strengths and weaknesses. But for a real war, where there is no way to clean weapons every day and comply with the regulations, where you crawl in the mud there is nowhere to go, I would prefer the reliability of AK, the greater accuracy of AR.

[newl]

Quote: Damm

This weapon, by virtue of the ammunition used, has a similar effective destruction distance.

Really?
But nothing that the DE M16A2 is 25,5% (!!!!!!!!) more than the AK-74?
But is it that the M16A2 bullet is 17,5% heavier (!!!)?
But nothing that the area of ​​the M16A2 bullet is 3% more?
But is it not that the length of the M16A2 bullet is 11% less? Those. the resistance to its rotation in the victim’s body is less, which is good for fulfilling its tasks.
Nifiga himself "the same weapon". Nifiga itself "a similar distance of defeat." Why's that? After all, all the main characteristics are very different.
Once again, re-read what was written about "weapons of different classes with the same rate of fire." Everything is written correctly there.

Quote: Damm

where you crawl in the mud for nowhere else, I prefer AK reliability

And who told you that AK is more reliable? Feed the bikes from the Internet? In vain.

Quote: Damm

greater accuracy AR.

By the way, the recoil momentum of the M16A2 is greater than that of the AK-74 by 14,5%. And accuracy at least is not worse. High-quality small arms, this, with all its deceptive simplicity, is a very complicated thing. Figs just like that, from the bulldozer, do it. Even with the help of Marxism-Leninism and Valentineism. With this garbage, only socialism could be built. However, also with a known result.

[Dam]

in view of the trunk. The issue of ammunition. Even warmint thick-stemmed shots do not shoot confidently beyond 400 meters. Confident destruction distance for 223 and 5,45 * 39 of automatic combat carbines is 300-350 meters. Further at the target there will be at best 10% of the issued store. Only the target does not run, does not hide and does not shoot in response. You Internet shooters very much rest in the behavior of a bullet in the victim’s body. There you need to get there first, and then anyway 5,45 or 5,56 will get there anyway. And in the body, small-caliber bullets do not rotate, but break down into somersaults or change the trajectory. If you knew at least a little ballistics, you would understand that the large length of the bullet makes it more stable in flight. I repeat once again: I not only read books, I shot more than 10000 223 and more than 8000 5,45 * 39. Therefore, do not tell me about reliability. Armi Daler’s arch begins to twist the cartridge and underload after 300 rounds without cleaning the barrel (despite the fact that the ammunition is not gross, but good)! Saigu, in principle, you can not clean the entire period of its operation (I saw such an experiment with my own eyes) and it shoots with cheap Barnaul and nothing happens. So go shoot not on the x box, but live, and then get smart

[lnew]

Quote: Damm

Even warmint thick-stemmed shots do not shoot confidently beyond 400 meters.

Have you tried it yourself? Ruler measured? Or just invented everything?

Quote: Damm

Confident destruction distance for 223 and 5,45 * 39 of automatic combat carbines - 300-350 meters

But the NSD is brazenly disagreeing with you. Insolently claims that you can also get on 500 meters.

Quote: Damm

and then 5,45 or 5,56 will get there anyway.

This is you to your neighbor on the staircase during a break, tell me.

Quote: Damm

do not rotate, but break down in somersault

Tumbling is a special case (one of the types) of rotation. Depends on the plane of rotation.

Quote: Damm

that the large length of the bullet makes it more stable in flight.

Actually, it was about wound ballistics. Those. about the behavior of the bullet after hitting the target. BоA longer bullet length (within reasonable limits) is a plus for external ballistics. No need to juggle.
The bullet becomes more stable in flight not from its length, but from the correct spin. A longer bullet usually has a higher ballistic coefficient. This is not stability, it is different.

Quote: Damm

I shot more than 10000 223 and more than 8000 5,45 * 39

Information is nothing.

Quote: Damm

begins to warp the cartridge and unload after 300 shots without cleaning the barrel

I understood you. In arms you are not boom-boom. You shoot in vain. Arm yourself with an ax. You can not clean it at all. And he, even dirty, will definitely not fail.
You are a caveman in terms of small arms. Your reasoning in this area is not just ridiculous, it is harmful. You are promoting the Stone Age in this area. In the event of a serious armed conflict, only horns and hooves will remain from people like you. And just at a distance of 400-450 meters.

[kos2cool4u]

Quote: pilot8878

What are the "super soldiers" trying to attack AK

Come on AK - they even try to squeeze PPSh to the heap as soon as possible :)))

[lnew]

Quote: kos2cool4u

Come on AK - they even try to squeeze PPSh to the heap as soon as possible :)))

Yeah. And especially the slingshot from Korel birch.
Why do they need this? He is almost completely unsuitable for warfare.

[D. Dan]

Greetings to all.
As for the Warrior, thank God for such a reservation. At last. And the name is that.
About the holivar, which was launched by a certain Newly from the USA.
He sang here M16 A4. Well, I myself have a good opinion about this rifle. Although this is the same A2 with only a different body kit. I would not refuse to have her on the farm. With proper care and ... dust-free operation, a good weapon.
Although A2 is already significantly brought to mind, and about operating conditions. Convenient, accurate. In its time, and even now the ergonomics are excellent, and the very idea of ​​a movable shutter, I consider it more advanced than a movable shutter frame. A bunch is better at times.
Well, cartridge 223 is also a good cartridge.
Only now she did not receive in the world of distribution. Why - yes dear she. Accurate, lethal. but darling. The service staff is moody. She will not be happy.
And we have ... well, about the AK 12, the barrel is not bad, but still this is the AK, which has a place in the annals of history. But they will have to fight. BUT. This is not the class that M16. This is not a rifle. This is AUTOMATIC.

[lnew]

Quote: D. Dan

Someone Newly from the USA.

And why from the USA, and not from Mukhosk?

Quote: D. Dan

but darling.

All good is worth the money. Did not notice?

Quote: D. Dan

The service staff is moody.

Yes? Have you tried reading gossip online?

Quote: D. Dan

She will not be happy.

Now what is she doing? Misfortune?

Quote: D. Dan

Well, about AK 12, the barrel is not bad, but still this is AK, which has a place in the annals of history

And here, to a point.

Quote: D. Dan

This is not the class that M16. This is not a rifle. This is AUTOMATIC.

And here I will dwell in more detail:
1. First, the obvious, M16A2, is an automatic machine. Those. Sub Machine Gun (SMG). And PPSh is an automatic machine. And Thompson's SMG, this is an automaton. And the MP40 is a machine gun. And even Fedorov’s ridiculous little stick on Arisak, it’s also an automaton. Those. automatic weapons with a combat rate of 80-100 rounds per minute.
But M4A1, this is not an automatic machine. Those. not SMG. This is automatic short rifle (automatic carbine) But not automatic carbine, although there is no difference in the Russian translation. Therefore, for automatic carbine, it is recommended to use the term introduced in the middle of the last century by P. Kirali, an enthusiast of such weapons, as a machine-gun. So, automatic short rifle (automatic carbine) is a weapon with a combat rate of 60-80 rounds per minute.
2. Combat rate of fire is an important, but not the only characteristic of small arms. Its equally important characteristic is the effective destruction range. Americans classify weapons based on this criterion, and the terms of the rate of fire of the type automatic rifle, Sub Machine Gun, selective-fire rifle, semi-automatic rifle you will find mainly in the specialized literature.
According to this indicator, the M16A2 is a full-fledged automatic rifle, although it is on a cartridge of intermediate power (for Americans, the factor of the cartridge used does not matter at all; in this case, of course, a cartridge of a class higher than the final product, i.e. weapons, you will not meet them).
M4A1 is an automatic short rifle (automatic carbine), because his performance characteristics are slightly worse and do not pull on an automatic rifle. Also sometimes used is the term automatic rifle - (minus automatic rifle). Automatic carbine is also sometimes written, although this is essentially not true. But they write, because true automatic carbine has not been commercially available for a long time and is gradually dying.
The AK-74 is an assault rifle + (assault rifle +). Those. this weapon is a class lower than M16A2, with the same rate of fire. If we proceed only from their effective destruction range, then the AK-74 is worse and M4A1. But here the AK-74 has a high rate of fire, as it is an automaton.
The AK-47 and StG44 (and AF on Arisaka, if that) can only be attributed to assault rifles thanks to the propaganda efforts of Dr. Goebbels. Anyway, at a range of 300-330 m, it is almost impossible to get out of them somewhere with automatic fire. And from AF it was also not worth it to strain, because he had an effective damage range of about 170 m. Which is completely unacceptable for an intermediate power cartridge.

[Dam]

Damn experts: the concept of a rifle or carbine is determined by the ratio of the length of the barrel to its caliber 40-50 caliber carbine, more rifle. We look at the manual on shooting business for AK 47. We look at the exercise growth target 300 m. Shooting bursts. Mr. freak go ass

[lnew]

Quote: Damm

the concept of a rifle or carbine is determined by the ratio of the barrel length to its caliber 40-50 caliber carbine, more rifle.

Boy, learn how carbine differs from short rifle. In Russian it all translates as "carbine". And then you flicker, Promakashka.
Damn, where do such exPers come from? Nifiga do not know, but only "good comments write."

Quote: Damm

We watch the exercise growth target 300 m.

Boy, how many times do you need to bother about a distance of 400-450 meters in your head so that you already understand once that 300 meters is not a range for the main army weapons?

Quote: Damm

Mr. freak go ass

Too bad we are on the internet.

[Assistant]

So which machine gun is there in the Warrior's kit?

[D. Dan]

So AK 12 though.
With balanced automation cal 5.45. Well, other weapons, such as the same Orsis 5000. OUR weapons

[Assistant]

So AK 12 though.
With balanced automation cal 5.45.

And when did they manage to insert balanced automation on the AK-12?

[lnew]

Quote: Assistant

And when did they manage to insert balanced automation on the AK-12?

Never. Apparently, therefore, the conditions of the competition were what they were.

[Egor123]

yes, a long time ago

[robinson]

Quote: Asadullah

Well so, you know how the raid operation differs from the assault operation?

Shura, own. In the photo is the 3rd GMBR of the 181st regiment. Raid, from the Hindu Kush to the Bagram green, etc. there are all kinds of forests in Khost ...