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The Sukhoi company is working on upgrading the Su-34 bomber in terms of expanding the range of weapons and improving on-board equipment, reports MIC with reference to Interfax-AVN.




“The ongoing development work (R & D) to improve the Su-34 aircraft is carried out in several stages. The first one will be completed in the middle of 2016. It is expected that by the year 2020 after the completion of the ROC, an upgraded version of the Su-34M aircraft will be created in all phases, ” - said the source in the defense industry.

“A characteristic feature of the ongoing R&D is the possibility of implementing their results on newly built production aircraft,” said the source. - Until 2020, the bomber's ability to use new aviation means of destruction, as well as to improve the onboard equipment of the Su-34 in order to further increase the combat effectiveness of the aircraft. "

According to him, according to the signed state contracts, "in the period up to 2020, the 124 of the Su-34 should be built."

“The next contract will most likely provide for the delivery of a modernized version of the Su-34M front-line bomber,” said the source.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. awersa
    awersa 9 January 2016 11: 06
    51
    It affects the experience of combat use, as a result of which changes / improvements are made, not a single exercise will give it ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 9 January 2016 11: 15
      13
      Naturally. For this, it is intended. The war always makes a real assessment ... We have a great experience in modernization, but we have more than enough strength and desire!
      soldier
    2. SSR
      SSR 9 January 2016 12: 06
      +6
      Quote: awersa
      It affects the experience of combat use, as a result of which changes / improvements are made, not a single exercise will give it ...

      And I really hope that there will be a rear-view radar.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 9 January 2016 12: 30
        +3
        ..... And I really hope that there will be a rear-view radar .....

        ... If it does, then the range will be small, most likely ..... The dimensions of the rear Coca will not allow you to put a large radar antenna (and the size is the range) .... hi
        1. SSR
          SSR 9 January 2016 12: 58
          0
          Yes, I hope that technology does not stand still and something worthwhile to install will appear.)))
        2. 11 black
          11 black 9 January 2016 13: 11
          +5
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          ..... And I really hope that there will be a rear-view radar .....

          ... If it does, then the range will be small, most likely ..... The dimensions of the rear Coca will not allow you to put a large radar antenna (and the size is the range) .... hi

          There will be enough optical system, on the Mig-35 this one stands under the right air intake
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 9 January 2016 18: 24
            +4
            Quote: 11 black
            There will be enough optical system, on the Mig-35 this one stands under the right air intake


            What does OLS-K have to do with 35 for a moment, despite the fact that it does not look at the ground and not in the back hemisphere?

            Yes, and the Su-34 has a plane tree, which is much more effective for ground purposes than a conventional OLS.

            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 9 January 2016 20: 26
              +9
              Quote: Falcon
              What does OLS-K have to do with 35 for a moment, despite the fact that it does not look at the ground and not in the back hemisphere?

              Reader "11black" writes not about OLS-K, which is located in a comfortable container just behind the niche of the right main landing gear. This station "is responsible exclusively for the lower hemisphere and solves the tasks of navigation, target designation of" air-to-surface "weapons, as well as reconnaissance. She detects a tank at a distance of 20 km, a boat - 40 km.
              He writes about the COAP station for detecting attacking missiles, which includes an upper hemisphere view module - behind the cockpit canopy, and a lower hemisphere module - in a conformal container under the left engine nacelle. The detection range of air-to-air missiles is 30 km, SAM - 50 km, MANPADS - 10 km. Reader "11black" confused only "left" and "right".
              A Plane plane on the Su-34 is an aiming system. It has nothing to do with attack missile detection systems.
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 10 January 2016 10: 12
                +2
                Quote: Алексей_К
                A Plane plane on the Su-34 is an aiming system. It has nothing to do with attack missile detection systems.


                I do not argue, it seems that "11black" simply did not see the soar and took it for an ols-k, or rather decided that it was the same thing.

                It’s only that it works more in the lower hemisphere and can not really replace the stern radar.

                Moreover, it is configured to search for a thermal torch, no more.
                1. aleks 62 next
                  aleks 62 next 11 January 2016 16: 12
                  0
                  .... Moreover, it is set to search for a thermal torch, no more ...

                  .... Here I am about the same ..... Most of the "path" anti-aircraft missile flies by inertia .... For example, an air-to-air missile of the R-73 type, Sidewinder - engine operation time 1-3 sec ..... And then by inertia ... Somewhere like this ... hi
                2. 11 black
                  11 black 11 January 2016 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Falcon
                  I just didn’t make out the Soar and took it for ols-k, or rather decided that it was the same thing.

                  I would decide that I would write the same thing in the gondola and not behind the air intake, but I confess I was mistaken under the left, thanks for correcting me ... I just don’t understand what criticism is for, SOAR is much more effective in detecting attacking missiles than a radar bomb rear view ...
                  Quote: aleks 62 next
                  .... Here I am about the same ..... Most of the "path" anti-aircraft missile flies by inertia .... For example, an "air-to-air" missile of the R-73 type, Sidewinder - engine operation time 1-3 sec ..... And then by inertia ... Somewhere like this ... hi

                  This is understandable - but I understand it was about a downed SU-24 - such a system could save it. In addition, the SOAR can reveal the very fact of the launch of the rocket - the P-73 has a maximum 30 km distance, and the SOAR detects its launch in 40 and warns the pilot / gives a command to counter
                  Best regards hi
                  1. 11 black
                    11 black 11 January 2016 16: 47
                    +2
                    Probably worth putting this picture smile

                    I meant that it would be much easier to install a station akin to an OLS-UEM at the stern than radars, but the efficiency is the same (in terms of detecting attacking missiles, which are also difficult targets for radars + the radar is sensitive to interference, and you can’t hide the engine’s torch + such a station will be able to detect any, generally any engine torch) and the SOAR module (as a minimum program) is easier to install incomparably hi
                    1. Falcon
                      Falcon 11 January 2016 18: 38
                      0
                      Quote: 11 black
                      I meant that it would be much easier to install a station akin to an OLS-UEM at the stern than radars, but the efficiency is the same (in terms of detecting attacking missiles, which are also difficult targets for radars + the radar is sensitive to interference, and you can’t hide the engine’s torch + such a station will be able to detect any, generally any engine torch) and the SOAR module (as a minimum program) is easier to install incomparably


                      I completely agree! Like das f-35 and MLD F-22 have the most reasonable idea
        3. Maxom75
          Maxom75 9 January 2016 20: 27
          0
          and I hope for the emergence of a powerful electronic warfare and an automated system for thermal removal of threats.
          I really want the number of takeoffs to coincide with the number of landings! All health and peaceful sky men!
        4. flay
          flay 11 January 2016 02: 00
          0
          "Developer: ROFAR technology allows replacing all antennas on the ship with one locator"
          http://topwar.ru/88983-razrabotchik-tehnologiya-rofar-pozvolyaet-zamenit-vse-ime
          yuschiesya-na-korable-antenny-odnim-lokatorom.html
          Maybe I'm wrong, but for the Air Force
      2. Platonich
        Platonich 9 January 2016 12: 58
        +1
        ... and a little little dog from behind ...
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 9 January 2016 14: 20
      +1
      Naturally! Experience in combat - the best teacher of the designer!
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    5. seti
      seti 9 January 2016 21: 38
      -1
      Innovation is good. And the Su-34 along with the Su-30 and Su-35 are the pillars of our main combat aircraft.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 9 January 2016 22: 04
        +2
        I remember that VAF (Ancient) wrote about the difference between Su-24 and Su-34. The first has the ability to fly at low altitudes with a rounding of the terrain, but the Su-34 does not. This is probably why they drove the "old" 24s to Syria. The modernization of the equipment will probably be connected with this. I wonder what ammunition the Su-34 cannot use yet?
        When the Su-24 was created, there was a problem with the universalization of sighting devices. Since the Su-24's range of ammunition exceeded 30 units, there was a whole bunch of "sights" there - for each type its own. Tinkered with this problem then. Now maybe the Su-34 has such a problem, especially with the expansion of the range of used ammunition?
        But in any case, all combat aircraft, after "running-in" by the pilots, were modernized according to their "recommendations." hi
        1. chebman
          chebman 11 January 2016 07: 35
          -4
          And why should our aircraft fly around the terrain? To get into the range of the enemy’s MANPADS?
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 11 January 2016 09: 12
            0
            Quote: chebman
            And why should our aircraft fly around the terrain? To get into the range of the enemy’s MANPADS?


            In order not to fall into the enemy’s air defense zone. and you can’t put MANPADS on each meter
            1. chebman
              chebman 11 January 2016 10: 24
              -3
              In Syria, Daesh appeared full-fledged air defense ?!
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 11 January 2016 12: 26
                0
                Quote: chebman
                In Syria, Daesh appeared full-fledged air defense ?!


                And what does DAISH have to do with the Su-34, and can it fly with an envelope of relief?
                Does Daesh have MANPADS?

                Or do you need an army that can only fight with IS, we have no other tasks?

                Then such a one would suit
              2. Lucy
                Lucy 11 January 2016 13: 02
                +1
                This Syria was given to you, with its Indians on tachot-tayotahs opposing the Air Force!

                Su-34 must strike at operational tactical depth. Overcome several zones of zonal air defense, and object air defense, after trying to suppress it. This is a front bomber, not a Su-25.
                Look at the map of Europe, not the popuias.
                For bombing for planned targets, it is theoretically possible to convert the An-12, drive it for 6 hours, at N = 9000m with W = 600km / h to the area. Or get a central office, so as not to hang up the search systems (detection of SC).
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 12 January 2016 00: 00
          0
          As far as I have heard, the Su-34 can also fly criminally-small on a machine gun. Another thing is that the magnitude of this PM can range from several tens of meters to 200-300. Of course, the Su-24 with its KIS and a huge specific wing load flies on the PM better than the Su-34 (and that, in turn, is better than the Su-27/30)
  2. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 9 January 2016 11: 07
    +3
    The result of combat use in Syria?
    1. awersa
      awersa 9 January 2016 11: 08
      +5
      Exactly there)))
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 9 January 2016 11: 30
        15
        Quote: awersa
        Exactly there)))

        Actually, the Su-34 began to work on militants in Dagestan and Ingushetia, and then the PRL (in my opinion x-31P) missiles on the Georgian C-125 and Bukam, and of course the Su-34 destroyed the key Georgian 36D6-M radar near the village Shawshweby near Gori.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 January 2016 11: 49
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Shawshweby near Gori.

          Vadim is 100 years old hi Where you ran, you cannot be seen or heard. With the past drinks
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 9 January 2016 11: 58
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Vadivak
            Shawshweby near Gori.

            Vadim is 100 years old hi Where you ran, you cannot be seen or heard. With the past drinks

            Sasha is glad that you remember. Didn’t go anywhere. I did not write to the post. Happy holidays to you. Yours faithfully hi
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 9 January 2016 12: 20
          +9
          Quote: Vadivak

          Actually, the Su-34 began to work on militants in Dagestan and Ingushetia, and then the PRL (in my opinion x-31P) missiles on the Georgian C-125 and Bukam, and of course the Su-34 destroyed the key Georgian 36D6-M radar near the village Shawshweby near Gori.

          You are wrong. No. Su-24Ms worked there everywhere, the participation of the Su-34 in the 2008 conflict was limited to the conduct of electronic warfare. Since the electronic warfare systems installed on the Su-24M were "sharpened" to counteract in the frequency range of the SAM: "Patriot", Nike-Hercules "and" Hawk. "The X-31P PLR at that time was not in the army, the X-58 was used again the same with the Su-24M (pictured) .In addition, at the time of the outbreak of hostilities, there were no workers in the S-125 air defense system in Georgia.
    2. demo
      demo 9 January 2016 11: 32
      0
      It is a pity that not in Turkey?
    3. Lucy
      Lucy 11 January 2016 13: 13
      +1
      I also can’t get used to aircraft losers yet.
      From the sofa, a multi-zone Daish air defense is sometimes made a breakthrough, with flickering jamming, carrying large casualties in various tactical groups of the Su-24. And subsequently forced to produce BM with cabling, approaching the target on the PMV enveloping the relief.
      With the stated accuracy of Internet experts - 3-5m.
      No.
  3. uragan114
    uragan114 9 January 2016 11: 10
    +8
    Upgraded Option C-34 will be created by 2020 /
    Perceived as a T-34.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 9 January 2016 11: 32
      +1
      Do not pay attention to one-piece ... The main point of the article is the experience of combat work showed the great capabilities of the aircraft and therefore a large field for modernization.
      Quote: uragan114
      Upgraded Option C-34 will be created by 2020 /
      Perceived as a T-34.
  4. avvg
    avvg 9 January 2016 11: 10
    +2
    Participating in the Syrian operation, we have something to work on, only we can be let down by finances, but we cannot save on security.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 9 January 2016 11: 19
      +6
      Quote: avvg
      Participating in the Syrian operation, we have something to work on, only we can be let down by finances, but we cannot save on security.


      I don’t even know what to say to diehard financiers? Is that something like this:
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 9 January 2016 11: 36
      +9
      It’s not the finances that can lead us, but the people who manage them .. After 45 years, there was a lot of finances in the country? You can certainly blame the system that we have, but you can’t substitute the state’s defense in the present world ..
      Quote: avvg
      Participating in the Syrian operation, we have something to work on, only we can be let down by finances, but we cannot save on security.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 January 2016 11: 47
        +7
        Quote: dmi.pris
        We can be let down not by finances, but by those people who manage them ..

        good Golden words!
  5. Chidoryan
    Chidoryan 9 January 2016 11: 16
    -20 qualifying.
    and by 2050 it will also be repainted!
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 9 January 2016 11: 22
      +5
      No .... Chidoryan ... not him, but the Su-34 pekreksit everyone and everything !!!!!
    2. ratfly
      ratfly 9 January 2016 11: 29
      +5
      This is for Bulgarians MIGs in Poland will be "repainted", for 3 rubles a bucket of MIGs. And here everything is serious - adjustments for combat use.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 9 January 2016 11: 38
      0
      Perhaps .. On the monuments and pedestals ... Like the T-34 ..
      Quote: Chidoryan
      and by 2050 it will also be repainted!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 9 January 2016 13: 14
        +3
        Quote: dmi.pris
        On the monuments and pedestals ... Like the T-34 ..

        If only not like ours on Guards Square, 34-ku was painted in some kind of stupid bright green color. Make a fool pray to God ...
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 9 January 2016 11: 18
    +9
    and the first results of the boyprimenenie_ first contracts for our ducklings, as well as thoughts about modernization for themselves. I like.
    1. gjv
      gjv 9 January 2016 12: 01
      +7
      Quote: newbie
      Contracts

      Quote: Primus Pilus
      given the contract

      Towards the end of 2015, Vietnam received two more Su-30MK2 fighters.
      According to Vietnamese resources, on December 29, 2015, the Russian An-124-100 Ruslan transport aircraft from Komsomolsk-on-Amur delivered two more Su-30MK2 multipurpose fighters out of 12 machines ordered by Vietnam under a contract with OJSC to the Vietnamese airfield Da Nang. Rosoboronexport worth about $ 600 million, concluded in August 2013. They became the seventh and eighth Su-30MK2 aircraft delivered under this contract.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2016 11: 22
    +8
    It’s quite logical, an analysis of 3 months of real combat work shows the shortcomings and principle of modernization. I won’t be surprised if the technical regulations for services for countries from more dusty areas change, and the tactics of using certain types of weapons change.
    1. awersa
      awersa 9 January 2016 11: 27
      0
      Yeah, it seems this is called "dust and moisture resistance" and "tropical performance"))
    2. gjv
      gjv 9 January 2016 11: 45
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      service regulations for countries with more dusty areas

      Sorry, a little maintenance ... bully
      French online newspaper "L'Orient du Jour" published an amusing piece in the spirit of reports from the 1980s from the USSR, about how the trade and services sector in Syrian Latakia reacts to the appearance of clients from Russia. The reportage bears the self-explanatory title "Sur la côte syrienne, vodka et" spasiba "pour accueillir les soldats russes" (although, apparently, the text is based on a video report by the agency "France Presse"). In it, in particular, such facts are given.
      In the shop window of his shop in the city of Latakia, Ihab replaced the bottles of the local alcoholic drink Arak with bottles of vodka and learned several Russian words, such as “thank you,” for communication with Russian soldiers who arrived by order of Moscow.

      For the residents of this city in northwestern Syria, the appearance of Russian soldiers who came to defend the Bashar al-Assad regime from militants was a real success, since the war going on since 2011 destroyed the economy and discouraged tourists.
      According to Ihab, the 32-year-old manager of a small father’s shop in this region, the mainstay of the ruling regime, where the majority are Alawites, “before they asked primarily whiskey and arak. But with the advent of the Russians, vodka took their place. ”
      Ihab, like his other compatriots, began to learn Russian in order to communicate with his “new friends” and create comfort for them when shopping. Ihab said: “This is real manna from heaven, our sales increased by 20%, and Russians buy without bargaining. They have the right to be served out of turn, and from time to time we give them gifts. ”
      For decades, Moscow and Damascus have maintained special relations in the fields of economics, politics, and military cooperation. The Russian Navy has its base in Tartus, some Syrian officers were trained in Russia. Since late September, Russian planes have been using the Hmeimim airbase in Latakia, which hosts several thousand people, to carry out bombing attacks.
      In a military uniform store, a Russian flag hangs on the wall. Mohammed rejoices at the arrival of Russian soldiers, thanks to which sales increased by 70%. According to him, the Russian military literally wrest from the hands of the small portraits of Assad, which he offers them. “They became our friends, if they appear here, they welcome us,” said the 26-year-old shop assistant who knows a few words in Russian.
      And Aidar in early December opened the Moscow restaurant in Latakia. At the entrance, the Russian flag flutters. The menu is written in Russian, and the 29-year-old owner of the institution hired a Russian teacher to train staff. “I am looking for a cook who can cook Russian dishes. I printed a new menu and leaflets in Russian, ”says the restaurateur enthusiastically. "The Russians have stirred the market, and always bring with them revitalization, day and night."
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 9 January 2016 13: 39
        +2
        Quote: gjv
        Sorry, a little maintenance ...

        Demand - creates supply, normal practice. If you consider that all Arabs, regardless of the religious affiliation of the merchants, it is not surprising. See how the Germans changed their city after the appearance of their Ramstein Air Base
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  8. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 9 January 2016 11: 28
    0
    Really with flat nozzles and an arms compartment?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 9 January 2016 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Really with flat nozzles and an arms compartment?

      And what will they give to the MOH with the old glider? request
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 January 2016 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Really with flat nozzles and an arms compartment?

      By 2020? Yes, even with octagonal and with a trailer - easy!
  9. podgornovea
    podgornovea 9 January 2016 11: 34
    -1
    Not soon however! Significant changes should be. Radar visibility should be reduced.
  10. soroKING
    soroKING 9 January 2016 11: 35
    +5
    Quote: awersa
    Exactly there)))

    Add refueling bombs on the fly! Give! good
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 January 2016 11: 39
    +3
    Electronics does not stand still.
    New developments in avionics and electronic warfare appear.
    Anyway, how many years have passed since the first entry into the army?
    Develop a new filling and gradually replace.
    And then they will put just a new complex.
  12. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 9 January 2016 11: 43
    0
    It is necessary to increase output, given the contract with Algeria.
  13. soroKING
    soroKING 9 January 2016 11: 55
    -2
    Quote: Chidoryan
    and by 2050 it will also be repainted!

    Chidoryan? No ... you are some other ... request
  14. gg.na
    gg.na 9 January 2016 11: 56
    +2
    Well done designer good ! Bright heads yes ! It is necessary, it is simply necessary to improve all our weapons and equipment! This is what our employees of "DRY" are trying to do! And the fact that such work will last until 2020 is not an easy job, difficult work lies ahead! This is not flea catching or diarrhea!
  15. Orionvit
    Orionvit 9 January 2016 12: 00
    -1
    Let's hope. Moreover, the development potential is very large.
  16. vv3
    vv3 9 January 2016 12: 05
    11
    The use of the SU-34 in Syria is justified only by its running-in in a real conflict and advertising. This is not its theater of operations. It was created to overcome defense in depth and destroy front-level facilities and higher. Such can be considered refineries in Syria and engineering teams protected and other constructions, although they are not covered by air defense. Strictly, we crack nuts with a microscope. For pilots, the moment is definitely positive ... A compact, lightweight and modern airplane with optimal filling for such wars, such as the Yak-130, is needed. And the main thing is not expensive and economical in operation. The radius of action to tighten is not like that of the Su-24 and Su-25. Why is it not in Syria?
    1. Iline
      Iline 9 January 2016 14: 18
      +3
      Quote: vv3
      This is not his theater of operations

      That's for sure. So, you can a little PR. There and the Su-24, taking into account specific realities in abundance. Well, we don’t have an easy attack aircraft to work on the battlefield, so we load more serious cars.
      And as for the modernization ... the first time I saw the Su-34 with my own eyes sometime in the 97th being a flight in Akhtuba. And they began to collect it in '93. Any design of such equipment should be in accordance with the technical specifications of the customer, i.e., MO. So what did we have at that time? What they had, then they got by and large.
      Only here the equipment does not stand still and in order for a good glider not to leave ahead of time in the scrap it is necessary to adapt to the realities. That is the whole point of modernization, and not the experience of application in Syria.
  17. VeteranVS
    VeteranVS 9 January 2016 12: 06
    +2
    something needs to be changed without waiting for 20 years. "mosquito-2" for peacetime, its 121,5 is a single emergency frequency of the entire planet. COSPAS-SARSAT, these are companions of mattress mats, shaves, and many others. 25 years ago the accuracy of satellite direction finding was about 1,5 km, today, presumably, it is less. the same with the automatic input of the NAZ, the pilot is still under the dome, and has already been tracked. when they are looking for only their own, this is great, and when they are also an adversary, it is not very good.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 January 2016 13: 31
      +1
      Quote: VeteranVS
      something needs to be changed without waiting for 20 years. "mosquito-2" for peacetime, its 121,5 is a single emergency frequency of the entire planet. COSPAS-SARSAT, these are companions of mattress mats, shaves, and many others. 25 years ago the accuracy of satellite direction finding was about 1,5 km, today, presumably, it is less. the same with the automatic input of the NAZ, the pilot is still under the dome, and has already been tracked. when they are looking for only their own, this is great, and when they are also an adversary, it is not very good.

      Change frequency? So this is not an option, they will know right away. To give a signal to an arbitrarily chosen one - so the scanner is not only found by search engines, but will they find it ...!
      1. VeteranVS
        VeteranVS 9 January 2016 14: 17
        0
        in courses that the password is not decrypted? as an example. there is a problem, it’s not for us to solve.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 10 January 2016 22: 00
      0
      COSPAS-SARSAT, these are satellites of mattresses, shaving, and many others.


      And ours, including. The global system of salvation began to sculpt back in the shaggy 80s, in the USSR. To save everyone and everywhere. For civilians - fine. But the military must have one. I agree.
  18. vv3
    vv3 9 January 2016 13: 14
    +3
    The SU-34 aircraft, as one of the optimal platforms for deploying airborne systems and weapons, is doomed to decades of use. It is relatively expensive and requires significant maintenance and training costs for pilots. But it is universal and can replace an attack aircraft and a heavy fighter. It can replace a TU-22M3 missile carrier and a strategic bomber. And in this case it is much cheaper ... Three hundred of these aircraft will provide many tasks throughout Russia and not only .... Pilots for such aircraft need high-class. In this regard, there are a number problems associated with securing crews for aircraft. But this is a separate topic .... Now about the earth. And how to use the SU-34 as an information and command link. There is no reconnaissance in the narrow sense. The mode of mapping, target designation with reference to digital map, where and to whom it transmits information via digital communication channels. Where are these information centers in Syria, in Russia. On which monitors are displayed I’m digital maps and to what means of destruction the coordinates of the targets are transmitted even if in a semi-automatic mode .... Or by radio and in a notebook on my lap. Where did you see the 5th generation, where is 4 +++? ... I will answer: THERE !!!
  19. cap
    cap 9 January 2016 13: 32
    +1
    gobyWho doubted that "The goby will grow up"?
    Give me time !!! laughing
    "Where are these information centers in Syria, in Russia. On which monitors are digital maps displayed and on which means of destruction are the coordinates of targets transmitted, even if in a semi-automatic mode ... Or by radio communication and in a notebook on your lap. Where did you see the 5th generation, where is 4 +++? ... I will answer: THERE !!! "
  20. Bayonet
    Bayonet 9 January 2016 13: 40
    +2
    In general, we need to write down what else we have promised by 2020. There have already been so many things that this year seems like a kind of "bright future". smile Under the Soviet regime, they promised by November 7, the anniversary of some or another congress of the CPSU — now by 2020.
  21. vv3
    vv3 9 January 2016 14: 58
    +1
    Gentlemen, I want to write several articles in the near future. On the Syrian application of the videoconferencing system. I promise a constructive high wave. If they are not banned forever, as for the first time.
    Commander
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 9 January 2016 15: 07
      +4
      Quote: vv3
      Gentlemen, I want to write several articles in the near future. On the Syrian application of the videoconferencing system. I promise a constructive high wave. If they are not banned forever, as for the first time.

      Valery, that would be great! But an objective analysis is possible only if there is complete and objective information. For example, what is being said behind the scenes and what I see in the television picture are two big differences. Those. a picture with comments of what is happening very often does not match. Personally, I would not undertake to write such a publication, because for this you need to be TAM. But having visited TAM, writing objectively for a number of reasons will not work.
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 January 2016 17: 22
    0
    A wonderful aircraft, a worthy future! This model has every chance of becoming the most exported, which creates almost unlimited possibilities for it.
  23. alex80
    alex80 9 January 2016 17: 55
    0
    Quote: SSR
    Yes, I hope that technology does not stand still and something worthwhile to install will appear.)))

    For example a radar with ROFAR hi
  24. Yak28
    Yak28 9 January 2016 18: 00
    +1
    By 2020, it is necessary to create a 6th generation aircraft
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 January 2016 20: 38
      0
      In the United States, they are already engaged in the sixth generation, but it will fly no earlier than 2030.
  25. Lex.
    Lex. 9 January 2016 18: 10
    +1
    Landing for the future means
  26. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 9 January 2016 19: 26
    +2
    Hello everyone and with the past holidays!
    Based on the article follows only one conclusion; It’s better to keep your army than to feed someone else’s:
    whatever the modernization of the aircraft, it will not worsen its flight characteristics as a glider and add the best characteristics for seeing the battle!
    Article +++
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 10 January 2016 22: 04
      +1
      whatever the modernization of the aircraft, it will not worsen its flight characteristics as a glider


      There were examples in History - it worsened ...
      (knock on wood!)
  27. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 9 January 2016 21: 05
    -4
    In Russia, there are now approximately 1400 Su-24M and Su-24М2 aircraft. It is clear that the Su-34 is a more advanced machine, but their number is simply small. Their number is still going to bring to 200 pcs.
    My opinion is that you need to upgrade the Su-24. Or is our country waiting for when they will all be decommissioned or shot down in battle?
    In Russia, every combat aircraft counts. We are just missing them now. New aircraft are being created slowly due to their complexity. Therefore, it would be stupid wasteful not to perfect a huge fleet of obsolete aircraft models, which are now easy prey for modern enemy fighters.
    But does our Ministry of Defense understand this? In my opinion - does not understand.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 9 January 2016 21: 55
      0
      The eternal problem of military support is that you can upgrade half of the old weapons or replace them with a new quarter, there is not enough money for everything at once, which means that as always, everyone will have to cut everything by at least half. Even the holders of the printing press do not have enough funds for all the requirements of the military. hi
      Sincerely.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 9 January 2016 23: 43
      +7
      the number of Su-24m in 1400 aircraft that you indicated is gigantic, there were not so many even in Soviet times. From the Su-24 squeezed out everything that is possible, the entire fleet of obsolete machines needs to be changed, not modernized (Su-24)
    3. vv3
      vv3 9 January 2016 23: 53
      +2
      A total of about 120 units are in service. Moreover, it is unclear how many of them are with the modernized electronic equipment - this is just one. I would like to believe that all 120. Second, it is not clear how many of them are with a modified computer complex. The minimum figures are: revision under the SVP-24, '' passed 13 boards, and about 20 boards under M2 ,, Gusar '' at the Sukhoi firm ... These numbers are shivering. We flow together, gentlemen-romantics ... Then the information was classified. The version with SVP-24 was adopted by the main ....
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 12 January 2016 06: 12
        0
        Here .... however ...
        Looks like ZAO "Gefest" lives well - from each hole you can hear about its "modernization" about how they "taught" the plane from 5000 meters with OFAB to get into the "sewer hatch"
    4. Lucy
      Lucy 11 January 2016 22: 25
      +2
      You represent how many regiments it is. In alliance with + Su-24mr, so much was not.
    5. Just BB
      Just BB 12 January 2016 05: 48
      0
      I didn’t minus, but I do not completely agree!
      Su-24 with its outer gloss is "terrible inside" and keeping it in good condition is still another task. And it is not easy to store them either - from experience: after half a year, every second aircraft requires significant equipment repair.
      "Iron", however, is wonderful -
      "Glory to the Soviet steelworkers"! - as our engineer said
  28. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 January 2016 00: 41
    +2
    The purpose of the S-24-34 apparatus is to attack protected air defense facilities at low altitude. Accordingly, modernization will affect communications, navigation, AFAR radars, a bombardment scope (adding thermal imaging equipment and increasing resolution, more powerful and economical engines (I don’t know if I need a Su-34 engine with OVT). And you can constantly upgrade it for 100 years. And need a hanging container with all the good for the Su-30. For flexibility of use.
  29. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 12 January 2016 01: 01
    0
    And the "human factor" led to the loss of the aircraft and the pilot. Again a rake. They did not expect a "stab in the back". Yes, strategists and tacticians did not wait ...
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 12 January 2016 05: 52
      0
      sad
      So on June 22, 1941, it was also "treacherous"
      Sad ...
      Fate-ah ...