Experts on the American F-35: very expensive and inefficient

The American concern Lockheed Martin does not doubt the success and even received a contract to upgrade its offspring - the F-35 fighter. However, this aircraft was in the rating of the most unsuccessful fighters, compiled by the publication The National Interest, the channel said in a report RT.

“It turns out that the F-35 fighter, which is causing many complaints, is cost-effective and, quote, leading aviation complex. So, at least, says its manufacturer - the company Lockheed Martin. The company even won a contract of the United States Missile Defense Agency for a total of over $ 500 million for the modification of the fighter, ”the television report said.

Nevertheless, the pilots "are already complaining about numerous problems and claim the need for improvements, and this despite the fact that billions of dollars have already been spent on the production of the fighter."

“The Government of Norway on its official Instagram page at the end of 2015 published a photo of cookies in the form of F-35. However, many did not like it, they called it offensive and even vulgar. Norway is one of the many countries that purchased the scandalous fighter, as well as, for example, Israel, Japan, Australia and Turkey, ”says the journalist RT.

Now the complete set of the fighter is planned to be supplemented with a special helmet for the pilot - "the most expensive and perfect." Also positioned and the machine itself.

“The high accuracy and instantaneous image transfer of the helmet display of the F-35 pilot allows it to serve as an augmented reality system,” according to the presentation video.

However, the tests revealed another problem: the helmet was too heavy, and pilots could get neck injuries when ejecting.

The channel asked to comment on the situation of the aeronautical engineer Pierre Spray, who participated in the development of the F-16 fighter.

“The F-35 fighter was conceived and developed based on fundamental misconceptions. It is impossible to create a multi-purpose aircraft that would be truly effective in a combat situation. If you make compromises so that the plane can perform three, four or five different tasks, then you have to lose certain characteristics. All multi-purpose aircraft were very expensive, but in combat they were completely untenable. To justify this, we were told that we could not afford three different aircraft designed to perform specific tasks. For example, one for close air combat, one for strikes against targets deep in enemy territory and one for direct support of troops. However, the truth is just the opposite. ”

said an engineer who is a defense expert.

In his opinion, America "cannot afford a multi-purpose aircraft, since it costs much more than three specialized aircraft that do well with their tasks."

Comments

[SSR]

It seems to me that ours were close to taking this path, creating a multi-purpose one, but as the events of the last "days" show, they abandoned such an idea and already the MiG announced what the new interceptor would do and the attack aircraft were going to create a new one, only at the expense of the frontline did not hear the bomber. Looks like he patted his ears))))

[Sura]

The front-line was recently adopted by the SU-34.

[SSR]

Quote: Sura

The front-line was recently adopted by the SU-34.

comrades ... well, like the F-35 of the fifth generation ... the T-50 of the fifth .... about the multipurpose in the article - about the F-35 ... Su-34 4 ++ and as if hinting ... yes? !

Quote: Wedmak

I heard about the interceptor, but it will be based on the MIG-31, if I'm not mistaken. About the attack aircraft ... MIG and the attack aircraft? They never made them!

Yes, I had in mind our entire combat aviation in the 5th generation format (it is clearly written in the article)

The channel asked to comment on the situation of the aeronautical engineer Pierre Spray, who participated in the development of the F-16 fighter.

“The F-35 fighter was conceived and developed on the basis of fundamental misconceptions. It is impossible to create a multi-purpose aircraft that would be truly effective in a combat situation. If you make compromises so that the plane can perform three, four or five different tasks, then you are forced to lose individual characteristics. All multi-purpose aircraft were very expensive, but in battle were completely untenable.

for sofa Kamradov separately singled out)) can doput and digest the essence)))
Special thanks to comrade.

Quote: Kasym

About stealth. Few noticed, but on October 7 (or November) the Americans reported that they were extremely surprised by the Russians' intercepts of their UAVs in Syria. And they, as you know, are made of composite materials and are much smaller in size than the F-35 (22).

Thank you!

Quote: vladimir_krm

Unification is needed to reduce the cost of production and reduce the range of spare parts, especially in hostilities. And it is highly desirable not to the detriment of other requirements. The Americans with the F-35 failed to get through this knife blade.

So what are we talking about .. (above from the article) and ours wanted to create a station wagon ... but "changed their minds", you can't cram everything into one whole, and even "Armata" is only a quarter, the rest will be on other platforms (shortly if).

[Wedmak]

and MiG has already announced what a new interceptor will do and the attack aircraft are going to create a new one

I heard about the interceptor, but it will be based on the MIG-31, if I'm not mistaken. About the attack aircraft ... MIG and the attack aircraft? They never made them! Although there really was information about the new attack aircraft, but it seems to be a joint development.

only at the expense of the front bomber did not hear. Looks clapped his ears))))

Uh ... as if Su-34 is already bombing terrorists with might and main. 2020 is expected to completely replace Su-24 with 34. Modified electronic warfare aircraft and possibly a scout are also being sawed. The platform came out successful, there will be many more options.

[dmi.pris]

MIG-27 is a multi-purpose aircraft. First of all, it is a ground attack aircraft, but it can conduct close combat (it does not have a radar). In the Russian army it was used (or is used, I don’t know for sure) as a reconnaissance. Kazakhstan has a lot of such vehicles.

Quote: Wedmak

and MiG has already announced what a new interceptor will do and the attack aircraft are going to create a new one

I heard about the interceptor, but it will be based on the MIG-31, if I'm not mistaken. About the attack aircraft ... MIG and the attack aircraft? They never made them! Although there really was information about the new attack aircraft, but it seems to be a joint development.

only at the expense of the front bomber did not hear. Looks clapped his ears))))

Uh ... as if Su-34 is already bombing terrorists with might and main. 2020 is expected to completely replace Su-24 with 34. Modified electronic warfare aircraft and possibly a scout are also being sawed. The platform came out successful, there will be many more options.

[Wedmak]

MIG-27 is a multi-purpose aircraft. First of all, it is an attack aircraft, but it can conduct close combat

Something I hear for the first time that the MIG-27 is called an attack aircraft. This is actually a fighter-bomber. It was redone from MIG-23 by installing the appropriate equipment to perform shock tasks. The aerodynamics are slightly changed, the engine and armament are replaced. However, the reservation was never received. However, the efficiency of the aircraft was very high, and even the issue of its reanimation from storage bases during the Chechen company was even worked out. Unfortunately, the park was already not suitable for flying.
The Su-25 has achieved more, having received an armored cabin and booking of especially important nodes. This is really an attack aircraft.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Wedmak

However, the reservation was never received.

Partially, the cabin was covered with armored sheets.

[Vadim237]

As the chief designer of radio-electronic equipment for airplanes said - Vladimir Fedosov, "The Mig 23 was a rather dull machine"

[Scraptor]

Nevertheless, there was nothing better than he in the West until the F-15 mod of the late eighties (did not start).

[Vadim237]

What are you - were F 16, F 14, F 15A.

[Scraptor]

Quote: Vadim237

What are you - were F 16, F 14, F 15A.

And all this was much worse than the MiG-23 - you can just compare the performance characteristics.
From a much slower and without variable wing F-16 in close combat, the MiG-23 left and hit it on the verticals (like the MiG-21 beat the Mirage from which radars were removed even for super-lightness), the F-14 compared to the MiG-23 in terms of thrust-weight ratio by the mid-90s, only the F-23C was able to surpass the MiG-15ML in the eighties and not in the very first modification.
Just until 1983, almost all planes except half the MiG-25 were delivered to the Arabs without a radar and badly worsened to be whipping boys from 1973 to 1983. Prior to this, from 1965 to 1970 until they themselves were burned.
Then, also with export radars on the MiG-29 (and with a low-speed horseradish cannon) they made Iraqi and Serb whipping boys. There where there were even export Su-27 America with its satellites never popped.

[VIT101]

And you can’t say what specifically V. Fedosov meant when talking about the Mig-23 Curvature? Maybe he meant the radar Sapphire, and not the plane?

[Vadim237]

He meant the plane.

[VIT101]

His statement is taken out of context. I suppose that he talked about the problems associated with the placement of avionics in pre-production vehicles. Otherwise, he was not special. Read the Scraptor post from 01:33.

[edeligor]

Quote: Wedmak

However, the efficiency of the aircraft was very high.

Hello. Where does this infa come from? For pilots, not always; and then in the absence of a choice. For techies, the third grade is not a marriage. For the effectiveness of the application, so-so. Export, complete failure. So what is the efficiency, dear? Confess to yourself that for MIG, the entire MIG23 line was, unfortunately, a failure ...

[VIT101]

Who are you? Military expert? Carried combat use on the Mig-23 or 27? To make such conclusions, it is necessary to seriously know the essence of the issue, and not to use rumors.

[sivuch]

You are mistaken. All options, except guillemot, had a reservation

[Altona]

Quote: dmi.pris

MIG-27 is a multi-purpose aircraft.

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TOP GUN was apparently watched again during the winter holidays, with Tom Cruise. Only there MIG-28. So there the role of the MIG-28 was played by the Northrop F-5E Tiger II, a light MANY-PURPOSE fighter.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dmi.pris

MIG-27 is a multi-purpose aircraft. First of all, it is an attack aircraft, but it can conduct close combat (it does not have a radar). In the Russian army it was used (or is used, I don’t know for sure) as a scout.

"Ancient" would kill you ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

"Ancient" would kill you ..

that's for sure

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

I heard about the interceptor, but it will be based on the MIG-31, if I'm not mistaken.

Most likely you are mistaken. I think the MIG-41 (PAK DP is a promising long-range intercept aircraft complex) will be an absolutely new machine. Just look at the speed characteristics of the new interceptor (which are also voiced by mattresses-4,5-5 Mach) and it becomes clear that no modernization MIG-31 simply will not "pull" such a thing.

Quote: Wedmak

Although there really was information about the new attack aircraft, but it seems to be a joint development.

Apparently yes. Although they are trying to adapt the Yak-130 and the same aircraft in an unmanned version, like an attack UAV, for this matter.
Best regards

[Wedmak]

Most likely you are mistaken. I think the MIG-41 (PAK DP-promising long-range interception aircraft complex) will be a completely new machine.

Well, all the better. The speed in the 4-5 swings is generally impressive. It will be interesting to look at his appearance.

Although they are trying to adapt the YAK-130 to this matter

Something is doubtful. Like a light attack aircraft, chasing bandits, in the absence of air defense and MANPADS, is super (there is even a photo with a mounted rangefinder scope), like a UAV, it will also work, but like a real attack aircraft ... You won’t especially armor it, huge cockpit glazing, shot through right through. Although if it is increased one and a half times, they will replace the actually open cabin with an armored capsule, hang sighting equipment - it can work.

[soaring]

About the Yak-130 ... If you hang on it the above ( Although if it is increased one and a half times, they will replace the actually open cabin with an armored capsule, hang sighting equipment - it can work.) It seems to me that this will not be the Yak-130, but a completely new plane.

[gjv]

Quote: Wedmak

You won’t hang much armor, huge cockpit glazing, shot through right through. Although if it is increased one and a half times, they will replace the actually open cabin with an armored capsule, hang sighting equipment - it can work.

Quote: soaring

It seems to me that this will not be the Yak-130, but a completely new plane.

The Yakovlev Design Bureau believes that the necessary and sufficient amount of modernization to the attack aircraft version will cover 15% of the structure.

The cabin is painted single with reinforced light and protection at the rear, the shape of the nose fairing is different (similar to the Su-25), the air intakes and the influx of the wing are reduced. Overall sizes are the same.

[Wedmak]

Thanks for the info. Nevertheless, the OKB is more visible than to us from the sofa. ))) But let's see what happens in the hardware. Su-27 also changed quite a lot from prototype to serial. And successful alterations of aircraft of one class to another can be counted on the fingers.

[Vadim237]

Unless the cabin glazing will be made of superpolycarbonate.

[VIT101]

Completely incompetent people write about a speed of 4-5 mach for a serial fighter. To achieve such speeds, engine thrust comparable to LRE is needed, I am silent about materials. The cost of the aircraft will be prohibitive. And there is no need for such speed for an interceptor when there are missiles on board.

[Atrix]

Oh my God, how many of these experts divorced. He correctly said that if you couldn’t get a normal job in your specialty, you immediately become an expert.
If even one expert were responsible for their expert assessments, then immediately there would be much less experts.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Experts on the American F-35: very expensive and inefficient

dear, yes, but the effectiveness can only be judged after combat use. It is not in vain that they "run in" the 34e, there will certainly be a modernization, in problem areas.

[Kasym]

About stealth. Few noticed, but on October 7 (or November), the Americans reported that they were extremely surprised by the Russians' interceptions of their UAVs in Syria. And they, as you know, are made of composite materials and are much smaller in size than the F-35 (22). That is also stealth technology. During the day Sushki intercepted Amer. UAV. At the beginning, they thought it was an accident after the first interception (Russian history just "showed themselves" in front of the UAV's video cameras), but then other UAVs were intercepted again. and it "dawned" on them that the Russians saw them.
I have a question. If UAVs are visible on Russian radars, will they really not notice the F-22 (35)?

[DimerVladimer]

Mistake - did you decide that the UAV is invisible to radar?
Subtle - a more accurate definition.
I believe that the obsolete UAVs MQ-1 Predator are the basis of intelligence operations in the region. It is difficult to call Predator type UAVs hardly noticeable - structurally screw UAVs are very noticeable, despite the use of composite materials in the design.
Special measures are needed in the design of UAVs, to scatter reflected radiation and expensive materials, to replace traditional structural alloys, and this is many times - an order of magnitude, makes UAVs more expensive.
The battlefield UAV should be cheap: ideally, it’s cheaper than the means intended for its destruction.
Of the unobtrusive UAVs for special operations, Sentinel (RQ-170 Sentinel) "lit up" and then after a "forced" landing in Iran, it is unlikely that it will be used in Syria.

[vladimir_krm]

Quote: SSR

It seems to me that ours were close to taking that path, creating a multi-purpose

Unification is needed to reduce the cost of production and reduce the range of spare parts, especially in hostilities. And it is highly desirable not to the detriment of other requirements. The Americans with the F-35 failed to get through this knife blade.

You can make an excellent Su-27 FB, Su-34 commander, Su-30 naval, advanced Su-33 based on the Su-35, but the attack aircraft is better from scratch - the Su-25 and clones. So they do.

[avvg]

All the same, the Americans will find someone to "spoil" them.

[vladfill]

The Japam states imposed rearmament from 2014 to 2019 in the amount of 24,7 trillion yen.
$ 240 billion, so there is someone to get them involved, and then last year there was a NATO pointer
gang member countries to increase defense spending by 2%, and where 2% there may be more
how much appetite will allow.

[Mavrikiy]

And with zeroes all a bunch?

[sharp-lad]

Dear, not two percent, but up to two percent of GDP! In the case of Latvia, this is almost double!

[Altona]

Quote: avvg

All the same, the Americans will find someone to "spoil" them.

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They shed off the souring. Israel will find how to apply them, Hale Avir will come up with tactics for them, Japan and Italy will finalize their assemblies with a file.

[avva2012]

They shed off the souring. Israel will find how to apply them, Hale Avir will come up with tactics for them
I don’t understand, but why does Israel need a fighter? In a six day war, perhaps. With whom, is the country really going to fight with the use of bombers, attack aircraft? With Hezbollah?

[IS-80]

Quote: avva2012

I don’t understand, but why does Israel need a fighter? In a six day war, perhaps. With whom, is the country really going to fight with the use of bombers, attack aircraft? With Hezbollah?

Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey.

[avva2012]

Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey.
Iran, perhaps yes, but that it has no problems of its own?
The remaining countries are US satellites, as is Israel. Unfortunately (in the sense of Israel). Them, what to share?

[IS-80]

Quote: avva2012

The remaining countries are US satellites, as is Israel. Unfortunately (in the sense of Israel). Them, what to share?

There is always something to share. Natural resources, territories, spheres of influence, trade routes. US control is not forever. And these satellites at the first opportunity will run to the side of the stronger or try to become this strong themselves.

[avva2012]

Well, if not us, then who? The United States, if everything is as it is now, they themselves will not leave from there. It seems to me that the very same Israel, buying aircraft, just pays for the support. The CA, and all other Arab Emirates, do not suffer from Alzheimer's, they know their place in geopolitics. If barking, then click.

[Alf]

Quote: avva2012

I don’t understand, but why does Israel need a fighter?

Why does Australia need such a plane? Kangaroo intercept?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alf

Why does Australia need such a plane? Kangaroo intercept?

Israel needs it, maybe Iran is nearby ... and Australia as a result of the strengthening of the Chinese Navy and Air Force. Another question is whether Lightning will be able to cope well with the tasks for which it is being created. The concept of using the F-35 has already been changed.

[Alf]

Quote: NEXUS

Israel needs it, maybe Iran is nearby ... and Australia as a result of the strengthening of the Chinese Navy and Air Force. Another question is whether Lightning will be able to cope well with the tasks for which it is being created. The concept of using the F-35 has already been changed.

And how many kilometers are from Australia to China? And will China climb to beat Australia? Why the hell does China need it? Here, rather, the question is political and economic. And as Pindocs are able to push through the purchase of unnecessary goods, so we learn and learn.

[avva2012]

Well, Australia pays for something. Until let’s go, they were let into the market for selling uranium. Why not.

[Vadim237]

But the F 35 is beautiful and high-tech, and all other problems will be solved over time - there are no problems with the F 35A, but with other modifications, troubles in bulk, in view of their richness.

[seti]

He already has an incorrigible problem - so much money has been thrown into development that it is simply impossible to recognize the project as a failure. You need to bring it to the end and spend and spend billions.

[Tersky]

Quote: seti

He already has an incorrigible problem - so much money has been thrown into development that it is simply impossible to recognize the project as a failure.

With one, but essential condition - until the developers recognize that among the pathologies inherent in the F-35 today, the most destructive is the peculiar obsession to get three aircraft in one. In general, from our Russian, at the expense of chasing two hares ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Tersky

With one, but essential condition - until the developers recognize that among the pathologies inherent in the F-35 today, the most destructive is the peculiar obsession to get three aircraft in one. In general, from our Russian, at the expense of chasing two hares ....

What is interesting about the US Navy, they never planned to replace the F / A-18 Super Hornet with the F-35C over time, they want to replace the Super Hornet with a new 6th generation fighter, and they have the F-35C as a Super addition -hornet.

[would]

What are the exact words and how they reminded me of the movie "Pentagon Wars" where the whole plot revolves around this, but there is an M2 Bradley BMP.

[dmi.pris]

The basis of the project is our Yak-vertical, the documentation was handed over in the early 90's. Whatever the staff members said, they made a high-tech aircraft, I think I will probably use our best practices ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dmi.pris

The basis of the project is our Yak-vertical, the documentation was handed over in the early 90's. Whatever the staff members said, they made a high-tech aircraft, I think I will probably use our best practices ...

Well, traditionally, China ...

[GAF]

Quote: dmi.pris

The basis of the project is our Yak-vertical, the documentation was handed over in the early 90's. Whatever the staff members said, they made a high-tech aircraft, I think I will probably use our best practices ...

You are absolutely right. We have merged everything except a trifle - technologies a la "Rasp & Sledgehammer". So poor fellows are suffering.

[Vadim237]

This is due to the fact that 35 large US companies worked on the creation of F 20 - everyone wanted to grab their piece, and even with a big profit.

[Tersky]

Quote: Vadim237

This is due to the fact that 35 of large US companies worked on the creation of F 20 - everyone wanted to snatch their piece

I’ll add my own five kopecks, F-35 was built by about 6000 engineers under the supervision of state inspectors who had not been sitting in their place for long, with at least 2000 employees from state authorities providing supervision.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Vadim237

35 large US companies worked on the creation of F 20

The fact is that such a product as the AVIATION COMPLEX is really created in cooperation with many fairly specialized scientific, manufacturing and technological enterprises: aerodynamics, aviation materials, engines, electronics, weapons, civil and military research and testing institutes, strategy and application tactics ... etc. One software is worth it.

However, I agree with those who believe that THREE IN ONE, FIVE IN ONE, etc. In ONE - money down the drain.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Vadim237

35 large US companies worked on the creation of F 20

The fact is that such a product as the AVIATION COMPLEX is really created in cooperation with many fairly specialized scientific, manufacturing and technological enterprises: aerodynamics, aviation materials, engines, electronics, weapons, civil and military research and testing institutes, strategy and application tactics ... etc. One software is worth it.

However, I agree with those who believe that THREE IN ONE, FIVE IN ONE, etc. In ONE - money down the drain.

[Mavrikiy]

And it pleases. So, as the guarantor says, we will give an asymmetric answer. Cheap and efficient.

[Wheel]

Quote: Vadim237

But F 35 is beautiful and high-tech,

Yeah, a pregnant duck (or a well-fed penguin) - terribly beautiful.

[Vadim237]

You shouldn’t be so in vain, it’s beautiful, and our engineers on the design of the cockpit - the dashboard should learn.

[Vlad74 Q]

Beautiful ? Cab design? Learn ???
This is a "flying iPhone" !!! What happens to this multi-function display after being shot? Yes, at least after it was damaged by a tiny splinter? I am more than sure that it will fail. And where can the pilot receive information after that? Will the further flight be carried out using the navigator in the pilot's personal iPhone?

[avva2012]

But what will happen to him after the nuclear explosions happen and electromagnetic radiation covers him?

[Vadim237]

Both in our country and in the USA, military equipment has protection against electromagnetic radiation.

[Iline]

Quote: Vadim237

Both in our country and in the USA, military equipment has protection against electromagnetic radiation.

How could a specialist in REA tell me how this protection is implemented? Given that all electronics are now semiconductor and not tube. Dischargers do not roll - they serve completely different purposes and are not able to protect against a nuclear explosion.

[glasha3032]

And then why did we leave the "alarm clock" devices on the MFI?

[Kasym]

The ergonomics of the cockpit was recognized as the best among the 4th generation fighters on Soviet (Russian) aircraft. Even in the F-15, a heavy fighter, the cockpit is "cramped, more uncomfortable" than on the MiG-29 (light).

[Vadim237]

This is a modification of the cockpit with a targeting helmet in which all the parameters of the aircraft will be displayed if the dashboard fails, but as you said - with a shot through the cockpit, if it remains alive, it will eject.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Vadim237

This is a modification of the cockpit with a targeting helmet in which all the parameters of the aircraft will be displayed if the dashboard fails, but as you said - with a shot through the cockpit, if it remains alive, it will eject.

You read the article carefully. You can catapult with such a "globe" on your head without a head and stay. So, in any case, a summer kayuk-kamikaze flyer.

[Vadim237]

With what "globe" - a normal helmet that you fantasize.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

With what "globe" - a normal helmet that you fantasize.

Not really. Israel is developing it. There are only a few questions about this helmet. First: the identity of the helmet. The pilot fell ill, or just died and the helmet is already needed for another new pilot.
Second: Getting used to this helmet. Pilots experience inconvenience and discomfort in it due to functions such as "God's gaze".
Third: The mass of the helmet. And this is not the invention of our critics, but the conclusion of American experts.
But in fairness it should be noted that the idea is not bad. (I AM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF THIS HELMET)

[iwind]

Quote: NEXUS

First: helmet personality

Brad.
Individually, only a transparent shield, the refinement reception is already held on the basis of the Air Force.
Here is the first fitting for a Norwegian Air Force pilot

A brand new person puts on a helmet at the show.

Journalist

Refinement needed for better projection on the faceplate.

Quote: NEXUS

Second: Getting used to this helmet. Pilots experience inconvenience and discomfort in it due to functions such as "God's gaze".

There were problems in the first generation now fixed. Everything needs a habit.

Quote: NEXUS

Third: The mass of the helmet. And this is not the invention of our critics, but the conclusion of American experts.

Similarly, only in the first generation.
and yes how much does it weigh?
The jhmcs helmet (which is used in the Air Force) weighs 2kg without NVD (4.4 lbs).
The F-35 helmet is somewhere around 2,2 (less than 5 lb.) in Gen2. The difference is minimal, and Gen 3 is even smaller.
jhmcs they even visually look like

hmds gen3

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: iwind

hmds gen3

But they wanted this, but it turned out different?

[iwind]

Quote: saturn.mmm

But they wanted this, but it turned out different?

This is a concept. It is always different from the final version. What is the point of covering the whole face with a visor or why should NVD be covered? The main thing is that they wanted to get a helmet with certain functions — appearance is trifles.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: iwind

This is a concept. It is always different from the final version. What is the point of covering the whole face with a visor or why should NVD be covered? The main thing is that they wanted to get a helmet with certain functions — appearance is trifles.

They didn’t succeed in this concept and had to sniff with the Bae System and then Elbit, then they did something, but they say it is somewhat simpler in functionality, but in general they are great, they move forward, although from F-35 to concepts, they were somewhat mistaken in my opinion, and are repetitive with this in the fifth generation.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Third: The mass of the helmet. And this is not the invention of our critics, but the conclusion of American experts.
But in fairness it should be noted that the idea is not bad. (I AM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF THIS HELMET)

Apparently the problem of the mass of the helmet for years 20 as decided in auto racing.
Will finalize.
With a temporary fastener to the chair (as an example) at the time of bailout. With subsequent release. implemented easily.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Vlad74 Q

What will happen to this multi-function display after its lumbago?

Quote: avva2012

But what will happen to him after the nuclear explosions happen and electromagnetic radiation covers him?

guys, any aircraft after the "lumbago" will sing: "but what is this ... what? I'm in a deep" peak "! and I just can't get out ..." V.S. Vysotsky.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vlad74 Q

I am more than sure that it will fail.

Oh, it’s good that there aren’t such smart people! It’s profitable for us, isn't it?

[McCain2]

Quote: Vlad74 Q

This is a "flying iPhone" !!!

Yes, you Russians just admit that your science is 100 years behind our years!
Do not worry! In a hundred years, the cockpits of your aircraft will look the same!
And then when you see something high-tech, you will lament right away: it will break, it will not fly, your head with a helmet will fall off!
Do you think that before putting the helmet on the pilot, he was not tested 10 times on a mannequin?
Listen to you, so you have to fight with sticks and stones in general. Onion is too advanced a weapon for you - And suddenly it breaks - the bowstring will break !!!!
Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!

[Wedmak]

Oh ... not really very thick of course. Russian technologies differ from Western technologies in that it is done simply, reliably and with a large margin for improvement. This is not easy, of course, but the result justifies itself. A vivid example: the use of free-falling bombs as a precision weapon. The Americans hang a tens of thousands of dollars worth of JDAM on them and lose it with every bomb dropped. Cheaper of course than natural correctable, but still. In Russia, they made SVP-24, which is installed on an airplane and allows you to calculate the point of bomb drop for an accurate hit. And there at least hang up ordinary cast irons.
So who did the more technologically?

[alexej123]

Mr. Downed Pilot - look at the Syrian events - our "oldies" Su 24e and 25e do as much work as your Needles, Hornets and Companies do not. And about technologies - "Armata" will help you. Facts about mattress technology of this level pliz?

[looker-on]

A very controversial saying. Needles and hornets are also developed for 10 years. About technologies: tell us about the technologies of the "Armata" project. So far, from the really new, I know only an uninhabited tower. The Americans have, for example, drones hanging in the air for 20+ hours. In the amount of hundreds of pieces. With all my dislike for the nation of the "chosen ones", do we have such a solution? Please, tell me the model and the number of devices produced. Or, according to your war, will we win with Armata? How many units did the army receive? (Answer: 0)

[sandrmur76]

Yes, a laptop on your knees and in flight without getting up from the couch Not a single duplicate (mechanical) device.

[Falcon]

Quote: Vlad74 Q

what will happen to this multi-function display after its lumbago? Yes, even after it was damaged by a tiny splinter?

What lumbago? What shard? Sorry, but did you even fly a plane?

It is forbidden to have buttons on the coats of pilots and even mechanics when servicing them! God forbid that by chance one would not come off and enter the cockpit. What fragments are there. There cannot be more than one foreign object.

Who can shoot a display during your flight? The enemy pilot sticks out of the window and shoots with a pistol?

What nonsense do you write

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Vadim237

and our dashboard cockpit engineers should learn.

Learn.

[looker-on]

Learn .... in Photoshop. The real panel of the Su-35 is not like that. This is just Wishlist and a flight of fancy so far, unfortunately.

[Andrey VOV]

I teach my mother-in-law to cook borsch ... her mother’s cabin so ...

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Vadim237

and our dashboard cockpit engineers should learn.

Judging by this picture, there is nothing to learn here: he is an MFI in Russia, too.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Vadim237

and our dashboard cockpit engineers should learn.

Judging by this picture, there is nothing to learn here: he is an MFI in Russia, too.

[tehnoluks]

You shouldn’t be so, he’s beautiful

And the glamorous blonde with a small dog and a big iPhone will fly on it. Yes! And more straziks.

[Vadim237]

No, there will be another dog.

[Windy]

Oppa! Not expected. did the Americans come to Soviet designs? The "eggs" of the ejection seat are located as on ours (though one "egg"), they used to have them above their heads.

[Vadim237]

Someone and penguins are beautiful "birds"

[lis-ik]

The plane is really nice, it looks good from almost all angles.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Vadim 237-it may be beautiful, but having a minimum of cutting load, it will simply be ineffective. And given the fact that it is very very expensive, this is not the plane that can make up the backbone of an air force of any country.

[zadorin1974]

Vadim! True, beauty is a terrible force! Only American pilots themselves say that it’s cheaper to launch a piece of gold of similar weight in the place of an airplane in the air.

[Bayonet]

Quote: zadorin1974

Only here, American pilots themselves say that it’s cheaper to launch a piece of gold of similar weight in the place of an airplane in the air.

You can understand the Americans - this is their money, but ours are so worried? What an article in a row and everything is "expensive", "ineffective" ...

[Vadim237]

And he said that it would be used with a minimum payload, the maximum combat load he has more than 9000 kilograms - there are enough additional suspensions.

[purple]

additional pendants, this is not stealth ...

[Nosgoth]

Stealth is not always needed, and on a batch of several thousand aircraft ...

[alexej123]

I agree. If a bomber, then what is better than the Su-34go? If a fighter, then what is superior to Su-30go SM and Su-35go, I am silent about T-50. And so - the queen gave birth on the night of either a son or a daughter - this is the most accurate definition, well, stuffed with widgets, gadgets, etc.

[Falcon]

Quote: alexej123

I agree. If a bomber, then what is better than the Su-34go?

hmm ... let me think ... probably everyone!

at least das

eots

AFAR discriminating objects 10 * 10cm

combat load and stealth.

Quote: alexej123

If a fighter, then what is superior to Su-30go SM and Su-35go, I am silent about T-50.

The same EOTS and DAS. in the case of the Su-30, there is also a radar and EPR that differs by 10 times.

T-50 correctly silent. Who first began testing radar only in 2015 and his stealth is in great doubt, which is not particularly pleased with the Indians.
Yes. and especially the external container tsu this is generally a song

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

But F 35 is beautiful and high-tech,

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Well, that's just maybe. It will show itself, then we'll see. In general, it is designed to overcome the enemy's highly echeloned air defense, and old Tornadoes are enough to bomb the Papuans.

[Vadim237]

F 35 will be further developed under the carrier of thermonuclear bombs B61-12.

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

But F 35 is beautiful and high-tech,

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Except that. In general, it is designed "by its beauty and manufacturability" to overcome the enemy's echeloned air defense. It is unnecessary to bomb the Papuans with these bells and whistles, and the old Tornado will be enough.

[The black]

Quote: Vadim237

But F 35 is beautiful

Well yes, beauty is a terrible power ...

[Korsar4]

I would not be ironic. In my opinion Tupolev owns the words: "a beautiful plane will fly, an ugly plane will not fly."

[The black]

Well, a little bit wrong .Pro handsome he did not say ... He said, "An ugly plane won't fly."

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Korsar4

I would not be ironic. In my opinion Tupolev owns the words: "a beautiful plane will fly, an ugly plane will not fly."

The irony is quite acceptable in the case of F-35 ...

Under the influence of ecstasy (software), even he will fly. Only LOW-LOW Etc.

[BLOND]

the photo does not look very "clumsy work"
... you know, there is a racing car, there is a bus (cool and beautiful) ... here it looks more like a fancy minibus

[BLOND]

What's beautiful about it? Air intakes? Experts are tortured to regulate the engine by modes ... Although the computer can do everything (and the engine should not stall even if it is disconnected from the "brain") On one hardware
And if the "sneeze" is on the right and the plane is in a tailspin, then this is not a military plane, but rather an aircraft heavier than air

[seti]

Already read a similar article. Much has been written on this, but it is not in vain that some countries refuse to purchase the F-35. Too expensive, too capricious, difficult to maintain and most importantly still a question, but does it have all the characteristics of an 5 generation aircraft?
Even rich America is unlikely to be able to afford a lot of them, and even if stamped under 100 pieces, how long can they be used intensively. Let them spend billions wherever possible and necessary to spend millions. And in years through 7-10 we will look at the air showrooms who will buy more PAK FA (export) or F-35. By coercion and by investment, F-35 can be sold, but I don’t think that many countries can afford it. And to bring down a couple of people who want it will be much less.

[NEXUS]

Quote: seti

Much has been written on this, but it is not in vain that some countries refuse to purchase the F-35.

They do not refuse yet, but reduce the quantitative application for the purchase of Lightning.

Quote: seti

the most important thing is the question, but is it a 5th generation airplane in all its characteristics?

The speed characteristics of the F-35 are closer to 4th generation fighters.

Quote: seti

Even rich America is unlikely to be able to afford a lot of them, and even if stamped under 100 pieces,

If I am not mistaken, more than 160 cars of various modifications have already been made.

Quote: seti

And in 7-10 years we’ll look at the air showrooms who will buy more PAK FA (export) or F-35.

Three years ago, the MIG design bureau initiated the development of 5th generation LFIs, taking into account the experience of building MIG-1.44, Berkut and PAK FA ... The T-50 is not correct to compare with the F-35, as our plane is a heavy MFI, and therefore it it is more correct to compare with F-22.
Best regards

[Kazanec]

Wait and see what happens from this plane. But I really want in my heart that nothing good would come out :)

[svp67]

Experts on the American F-35: very expensive and inefficient

On palm trees I would hang such experts, for language, that would not be common. F35 is a completely new example of high-tech weapons and by definition it can’t be cheap, and it’s worth talking about the ego of effectiveness even after a couple of military operations with its participation.

[Reserve buildbat]

I categorically welcome, Sergey!
F-35 is truly a completely new example of high-tech weapons. Only technologies there are stupidly mixed and interfere with one another
Let's see: 1. They promise to teach him to shoot a cannon in 2018, if I'm not mistaken. 2. In terms of maneuverability, it is inferior to any 4th generation fighter, including even the F-16. 3. And what about the cruising supersonic? Still not achieved? So what was the goal of building a garden? 4. "Invisibility" due to radio-absorbing coatings is a funny thing by definition. The coatings are effective only in a narrow wavelength range, which makes it possible to perfectly see the much-praised "stealth" in other ranges. 5. And what about his combat load? Two compartments for 1 missile or bomb each and a non-firing gun? I remember that the same situation was on the MiG-21 of the first variants. I had to invent a suspended cannon, then put the normal one. And for what battle are these 2 missiles enough? 6. The new helmet, which turned out to be too heavy and also crazy))) It is made for each pilot specially and costs 400K bucks. FOR THE HELMET, CARL !!!
And no one has seen anything real pluses from him yet.

[Thirsty for wind]

Very nice plane! The miracle of design thought! Lord of the sky!
Developers write bonuses and year off at the expense of the company.

[Vadim237]

Premium statements are already included in the price of the aircraft, many years in advance.

[svp67]

Quote: Stroibat stock

And no one has seen anything real pluses from him yet.

This will only solve the battle. Well and indirect evidence, for me the Israeli Air Force has a very high authority, if they refuse to use it, then the expert is really right, and if not, then no.

[retardu]

Oh Lord, a typical set of stamps. As The Russian Interests were blaming Russian planes, so here everyone spat that it was a yellow newspaper, and already provided by Iksperty.
1) Already shoots, read less yellow newspapers
2) it is not regulated anywhere. This is a useful function primarily for the interceptor, for the MFI it is redundant. And it seems that according to the statement of LM, he can fly some distance at supersonic.
3) In which others? On airplanes in meter?
Less EPR a priori reduces detection range
4) http://topwar.ru/index.php?cstart=1&do=lastcomments&userid=28194#comment iwind already painted about the combat load, read, scroll
5) how much should a new generation helmet cost (so as not to shout about high cost), if the "old" one without night vision cost $ 257 and this was in 000 (the dollar was slightly different)
And at first it was 700, then 000, right now another 600, it's getting cheaper before our eyes

[iwind]

Quote: retardu

4) http://topwar.ru/index.php?cstart=1&do=lastcomments&userid=28194#comment iwind already painted about the combat load, read, scroll

hmm. I haven’t been here for a hundred years, and didn’t plan it (it became not interesting). But at the holidays I decided to stop by, and here on you, someone else remembers.
On the results of the year on the F-35, he is somewhere between good and very good.
New orders, Norway increased the order to 52 (+6). UK 138 pieces - planned to be reduced to 50-70. Italy built the factory for the production of F-35 for him students were specially trained for long-term production. Israel +14.
The United States itself has tempered an additional 11 pieces. Next year a contract for 68 pieces was signed
44 F-35A
including 29 for the US Air Force, 7 for Israel, 6 for Norway and 2 for Japan.
- 18 F-35B
including 12 for the United States ILC and 6 for the United Kingdom
- 5 F-35C for the U.S. Navy.
unit price F-35A $ 92mln + engine.
Combat readiness announcements F-35B.

Recently conducted exercises using expeditionary bases with a runway size of 61x60 m

Finished tests for BLOCK 3I in which the combat readiness of the F-35A will be declared in 2016. Only the ICG remains. Now working with BLOCK 3F.
you can still write a lot of it, like laziness, and probably no one needs it.
Well, if they are interested in a helmet here, they signed a contract for a 383 helmet of the 3rd generation (HMDS gen 3), the price is just over $ 264 thousand.
The flight time is 46 flight hours; two aircraft exceeded 000 flight hours.
Vidio on the results of the year.

[Scraptor]

The precious helmet has already been replaced by several owners and went to eat from the captured helmet with the MiG-23 located in one small Middle Eastern country, in which another Arapian flyer hijacked him with an airplane during peace time for an anise bottle.

Quote: iwind

On the results of the year on the F-35, he is somewhere between good and very good.
Etc.
Combat readiness announcements F-35B
Etc.
Recently conducted exercises using expeditionary bases with a runway size of 61x60 m

You, trolls are good here with themselves?

The first letter in IOC means initial - "initial". And in fact, after several sorties from the landing ship, in more than half of the cars, the cardan fell out, which goes from the engine to the fan and at which the moment is more than on the destroyer's shaft. Therefore, they were performed so that a full-size airfield strip for horizontal landing on it was nearby.
Therefore, so that this marriage of software about which they write on the Internet but not a single word is noticeable on all three beautiful videos, without further ado, sticking this three-letter Boy Scout badge F-35B is transferred to Nipponia out of sight to the farthest air base

And in the F-35C, the shells crack due to hard landings on the deck with a hook, because the attachment point of the landing hook is next to the landing gear struts and there is no place to move it. F-35A still flies although Canada has refused them.

[Thronekeeper]

And what about the cruising supersonic? Still not achieved? So what was the purpose of making a fence? 4. "Invisibility" due to radio-absorbing coatings is funny by definition.
He has problems with stealth.
But, most importantly, this is not a fighter in principle. The presence of medium-range RVV and good radar do not make multifunctional information security systems like the Su-34, Raphael and F-18, nor the more narrow-profile F-35, sharpened for "Wild Weasel" - an air defense breakthrough aircraft by a fighter. For the F-35 fighter, half a speed and 2 km of ceiling are not enough. Due to this, the maximum range of AMRAAMs falls by 40-50 km from 130 to 80 somewhere. Against a target with an excess - say the Su-35 on the ceiling and even 50. due to the insufficient height and additional speed of the fighter, summed up with the speed that the engine gives to the rocket, by the time the weapon is used, it will be well recognized by the radar and even the OLS of the Su-35, Su-30 and MiG-31BM, attacked and probably shot down.
And for the PRR, since the Myrikos have big problems with means of destruction, they do not even have something like the Kh-31PD - the TTRD PRR and the planning jeepies and PRLGSN bombs. Their range also strongly depends on the height and speed of the drop. Especially if the S-300 or "Triumph" is attacked with special add-ons in the form of metrol radars and protection from two-stage Pine-carapace with OEPS, which are extremely difficult targets for HARM-ALARM and generally for detection.
Breaking through the defenses near the ground, using stealth and carrying out air defense in "fist combat" like the A-4 and even the F-111, in Vietnam it was possible, now it is not.
They pushed in a lot of fuel, chased the range. The midsection was extended beyond the limit and flight characteristics were cut. They also wanted to sit on the Titanic and eat a fish.
Shove in the non-pushable has not fused.

[Wedmak]

The garden was fenced to replace the mixed fleet with one type of aircraft in different versions. The decision is controversial, but there wasn’t much to see. As a result, we got something that incorporated so many compromises with aerodynamics, control, the weapon system, the engine and other things that had to turn superelectronics to manage this entire economy. But this was not the case, they did; electronics in the USA are at a good level. Yes, that's just one electronics LTX can not be fixed. And you won’t take more bombs.
Therefore, they relied on stealth and accuracy of strikes. Well, what they got ... they got it. Finish it, of course, no where to go.
So now it's up to the tactics of application.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

So now it's up to the tactics of application.

I have already said that no one has canceled the fighter pair yet ... So far, the level of technology does not allow creating a truly universal fighter platform that would be able to perform the tasks of both heavy IFIs and LFIs equally well (PAK FA is capable of performing LFI functions , like Raptor, but this is an overabundance of funds in relation to tasks) .In addition, the LFI has always been more massive than the heavy MFI.
And the interceptor has always stood apart, as the requirements for it are completely different. This is the ceiling and speed and the most powerful radar.
Best regards

[Wedmak]

Yes, but the Raptors are much smaller than the 35's. And the attack aircraft from the latter is mediocre. Not a single one pulls at the interceptor. I don’t understand one thing: do they really want to move everything to F-35, and write off the old types? Or, somewhere in the bowels of the Pentagon, are the programs of specialized aircraft ripening, but is that just what it is at the moment? Yes, there is an upgrade to the F-15 / 16, but this is only a drag on time.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, but the Raptors are much smaller than the 35s.

So am I about that. As well as the PAK FA, there will be fewer than the new LFIs with us.

Quote: Wedmak

And the attack aircraft from the latter is mediocre.

From the F-35 the same attack aircraft, as well as from Almaty.

Quote: Wedmak

I don’t understand one thing: do they really want to move everything to the F-35, and write off the old types?

They try. But they took on more than they can chew. With the hope that they will finish it.

Quote: Wedmak

write off old types?

While no one is going to write off F-15/16/18, nor are we ready to write off all the 29th and 27th. We have a certain advantage in this, as we are building the PAK FA taking into account the errors of Raptor and Lightning.

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, there is an upgrade to the F-15/16, but this is just a drag on time.

At least another 15-20 years ...
Best regards

[iwind]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, but the Raptors are much smaller than the 35's. And the attack aircraft from the latter is mediocre. Not a single one pulls at the interceptor. I don’t understand one thing: do they really want to move everything to F-35, and write off the old types? Or, somewhere in the bowels of the Pentagon, are the programs of specialized aircraft ripening, but is that just what it is at the moment? Yes, there is an upgrade to the F-15 / 16, but this is only a drag on time.

And who is everyone?
for the Air Force, simply replacing the F-16 with the F-35. F-15, F-15E f-22 continue to serve
For the Navy, the F / A-18 hornet (normal) is changed to F-35. f / a-18 super hornet continues to serve
For kmp, the AV-8 is changed to F-35.
And it's all. One exterminated-bomber is exchanged for another.
A-10 (attack aircraft) - it generally fits in. Distribute his duties to other aircraft and UAVs (in 2016 additional MQ-9 riper). But they do not believe in the further life of the attack aircraft. Watching at least how the Russian Aerospace Forces operate in Syria below 5 km, you can say they do not fly. And they were designed for another.

[Thronekeeper]

This is the question. For export - the groboharrier on the F-35 Britons have been licking their lips to change with their quasi-aircraft-carrying fleet, the ILC in the same pile for many years. And for its own AV, in comparison with such a quiet horror as F-18, this is a breakthrough forward and upward. We change the harpoon to JASSM-ER and the main attack aircraft of the Navy looks very nice. As a "super-heavy LFI" ... the F-16S block dfg will serve for a long time.
They feed Israel through an arms loan program. Israel is linked to what the military-industrial complex needs, and not what the Jews need, who would rather buy Silent Needles as opposed to the Su-35 and even pay for the deployment of production. Until recently, it was the same with Egypt. Canada yes, refused. Most likely, Australia will refuse. However, the F-35 is in combat conditions 3 F-18 and 10 Harriers for sure, so that the KMP, YUSNevi and GB will write with joy when they bring these cars. F-16 they will not replace, but complement. Without the interceptor, the fleet still looks sad, but let them thank Bush for the sawn Tomkets and even destroy the phonics, supposedly so that Iran would not get it.
So there is a tactical niche for him. The terrorist Popil Kickbacks is also no longer offended and will not be offended. F-15 and F-16 will continue to serve.

[iwind]

Quote: Thronekeeper

We change the harpoon to JASSM-ER and the main attack aircraft of the Navy looks very nice.

??
Harpoon is RCC
JASSM-ER is a cruise missile.
The main RCC for the F-35 will be the Norwegian Joint Strike Missile (NSM)

Quote: Thronekeeper

Israel is bound up with what the military-industrial complex needs, and not what the Jews need, who would rather Silent Needles

Only Silent Needles did not go beyond the drawings. Nobody needed him. and for am. The defense industry support for Boeing is much more important, they have been blackmailing the closure of factories for several years, one of the reasons for the constant extras. procurement of Boeing aircraft.

Quote: Thronekeeper

Canada yes, refused.

The new prime minister only said that he was against the participation of the F-35 in the tender. But the trouble is the Minister of Defense and Industry said that figs to you. losses only for prom. contracts valued at $ 11 billion in case of cancellation of the F-35.
"Sajjan indicated that the new government would not actively block the F-35 from participating"
The government will not oppose the participation of F-35. 21.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-not-ruled-out-of-canadian-fighte



r-competition-420264 /
open industry letter
http://skiesmag.com/news/article/CanadianJSFIndustryGroupreleasesopenletteronF35


procurement # .U340L_mkrLB

Quote: Thronekeeper

Most likely, Australia will refuse

Absolutely not.
They are building a service center for engines for the entire Asia-Pacific region + plants for the production of avionics + keels. A 72-point contact has already been signed + several aircraft have been received.

"First F-35A with Australian Made Vertical Tails Takes Flight"

[Locksmith]

Thin competent trolling, so their RT !!

[kartalovkolya]

The advertisement is engine of the trade! You understand business and nothing superfluous! And the rest is like the unforgettable OI Bender on the Von-Georgian road: "... give deng, give dengi ..."!

[D-Master]

The plane is certainly very so-so. But the gigantic funds invested in it make it impossible to retreat. This ugly duckling will be reached by all means and sooner or later they will be pushed into some form allowing its combat operation. In the meantime, the modification of the F-16 C / D was not in vain. It’s necessary to fight on something. F-16 really deserved workhorse in service since 1974 year. He drags the US Air Force and NATO.

[Ogogoshka]

The plane is magnificent, it is necessary to modify a bit, just one more billion dollars.

[kartalovkolya]

In a couple of dozen "jumshuds" with files and "it's in the bag"! We can share this contingent for a cheap price, we have a lot of them after Cherkizon!

[ZYRYANIN]

The last attempts of the mattress defense are more like agony! In an attempt to create something to overshadow the Russian aviation industry, they are stuffing a heap of high-tech junk into the "old box". This quantitative increase to the detriment of a qualitative improvement resembles our car industry, where, without caring about driving performance (yes, in fact, about all the quality), the interior is stuffed with all sorts of bells and whistles.

[pts-m]

it’s time for pendos to switch to Wright brothers’s planes. Cheaper than that. You don’t have to attack anyone. Banks work, printing presses too. Live and rejoice. No need to make your friends happy.

[S-17]

And somewhere in the world alone Serdyukov cries and nervously bites his elbows

[Vadim237]

He now does not have to cry; he has a new, well-paid job.

[ZYRYANIN]

Quote: avvg

Anyway, the Americans will find someone to shake them off. "

Or they will force, pressing on "allied" obligations

[0255]

How do you want the news about the failure of the F-35 to be true.

[shinobi]

The story with the "Harriers" is repeated, it was conceived as a multipurpose aircraft with a vertical. performance is better and cheaper.

[awersa]

Of course, progress goes forward and any machine has “early flaws and childhood illnesses”, these sores can usually be corrected in the process of further operation, but the misfortune of the 35th attempt to create a universal aircraft hoping for its perfection ... We have already passed this period, when they tried to do this on an airplane with variable wing geometry - instant 23 (fighter) and its many modifications, including instant-27 front bomber ... already in the 70s came to the inexpediency of this approach, as a result of which there were such beautiful machines as instant-29, su27, and a little later su-25, each performing its own task. The United States probably realized that their innovative aircraft could not be great for different tasks, so they try to push it as “friendly” as possible to recoup the development ... remember the story with the “flying coffin” F-104 ...

[Scraptor]

MiG-27 English SEPECAT "Jaguar" is not suitable for soles.
Tomket and Tu-160 have variable sweep - since when did they become bad cars?

[Rurikovich]

Kaptsov needs to read this
Personally for me, so I absolutely agree with this Pierre Spray. Any aircraft, like any ship, is a compromise of characteristics under certain restrictions (be it cost, size,). There are always some conditions for achieving certain characteristics, and in this case it is impossible to create a super-duper plane, no matter how much it is wetted. Then it becomes gold and even large-scale production does not always solve the problem of value.
How can this "miracle" (F-35) be called a super-aircraft if it loses in almost everything to its usual peers !! ??? And our radars see him, and the flyer is clumsy, and the bomb load is not so hot, and even with certain restrictions
F-22 was considered expensive, they decided to create a cheaper analogue, but they got expensive nedomerok, and it’s still not known how he will show himself in real life. That's already saved. Saw dough in an American way. But ambition does not allow to recognize failure. How so, we are exceptional
Now they are already singing that there will be a super-long-range missile for him and he, thanks to his computer, will be able to shoot down the enemy from a safe distance. And that's all ??? Is this a super-plane ??? It's funny. Yes, and we do not sleep, we also have our own super-long-range missiles and this "enemy" is easy to get.
So all this fuss with this loser airplane is nothing more than a PR move, Canadians have already figured it out, the move is behind the rest
Personally, my opinion is that the F-35 is bullshit, so that lovers of American technology like some of our home-grown "experts" do not sing there. F-22 and that will be more impressive

PS For some reason, F-15, F-16, F-18 are working everywhere now ... Real workhorses ... And even the same "twenty-second" for some reason are afraid to fly and give 1000% that now and potential "thirty the fifth "would gather dust at the bases not only because of the enormous cost, but also because of their low combat qualities ... They are such" super-duper "

[retardu]

yeah, see where and how?
That's it, homegrown experts who have nothing to do with aviation such as the Dave Indian.
Where are they afraid to fly?
The goal is to replace the previous generation fighter bombers. And he copes with it normally. He has better electronics, better electronic warfare systems, better guidance and visibility systems, and high interaction inside the wing. in a battle group of 4 f-35 2 are looking for targets, two are engaged in electronic warfare.
The words of the instructor of the Norwegian Air Force in comparison with f-16
Has a 30 to 70 percent longer range. It has the best dynamic characteristics, "while on the f-16 you need to use the afterburner, you don't need to use it on the f-35. I think about the EPR and external suspension of weapons and sighting, navigation, electronic warfare containers for the f-16. and without them, he does not fly anywhere. EPR is fundamentally different.
The f-35 radar is better than the f16. "" "
Opinion on foreign forums

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/f-35-program-general-discus
sion-12487-20 / # post293235

[valokordin]

Following Israel, Turkey (I think there are not stupid people) Buy F-35 Ukraine, the Baltic states, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan or Belarus. The commander in chief of the Ukrainian Air Force will be lawyer Yarosh, the squadron commander will be Yatsenyuk (there is no one to put in the regiment) to the post of head. Yaresko Natashka, a waitress of Tymoshenko, claims the flight canteen. And brains on the mass.

[svp67]

Quote: valokordin

Following Israel, Turkey (I think there are no stupid people) Buy F-35 Ukraine, the Baltic states, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan or Belarus

"+" for a good joke is missing from the list of Georgia and Turkmenistan.

[BLOND]

the outskirts will buy two helmets !!!

[lelikas]

Quote: BLOND

the outskirts will buy two helmets !!!

One, training, on credit for 20 years, and he will not be paid, by decision they are glad.

[svp67]

Quote: BLOND

the outskirts will buy two helmets !!!

In one of which their President will be "crowned", and the second will be quickly sold to someone else ... otherwise it’s a penny for a “coronation”

[soaring]

In one of which their President will be "crowned", and the second will be quickly sold to someone else ... otherwise it’s a penny for a “coronation”

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: valokordin

Following Israel, Turkey (I think there are not stupid people) Buy F-35 Ukraine, the Baltic states, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan or Belarus.

Belarus plans to buy 430 F-35 aircraft within 15 years and replace the entire fleet of obsolete MiG-29s, join NATO block by 2031, about which intensive negotiations are underway, as frequent visits to Minsk by Merkel, Holland and Putin indicate.

[Yak-3P]

and what are his shortcomings? I only heard about catching fleas in programs (software) .. maybe there were failures and there were some but secret ... again iksperdy from VK and all sorts of Instagram ?? expensive then expensive but our T-50 will not be much cheaper --- the engine is still under development

[33 Watcher]

The first drawback and it’s the main one, price and advertising company. He is a good aircraft, such a good one, a strong middling, multi-purpose generation 4 ++, and stands like a starship. Stealth at 5, flight performance at 3, weapons at ??? That's all...

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Yak-3P

and what are his shortcomings? I only heard about catching fleas in programs (software) .. maybe there were failures and there were some but secret ... again iksperdy from VK and all sorts of Instagram ?? expensive then expensive but our T-50 will not be much cheaper --- the engine is still under development

Here is the main problem with catching fleas in software! Judging by the available information, there is a bunch of different "hardware", and often incompatible in the electromagnetic sense. And accordingly, a bunch of corresponding "software"! These fleas appear regularly, as they are caught ... The sight was finished, the radar stopped working adequately, the radar was subdued, the autopilot or the vehicle stabilization system went out! And so one after another, one after another ... Periodically, additions and software fixes are written, from which new problems arise. Like the Challenger tractor. After parking near the power line, 10kv, the tractor forgot the engine firmware. We finished it, the engine is running, the autopilot stopped working ... We finished up the autopilot, went glitches in the gearbox (it is also controlled via the CAN bus ... We steamed with the tractor for six months before it was adjusted. And there, there are only five electronic units. there are eleven new models ... And there are minor problems, updates come every two or three months ...

[awersa]

In short, you can certainly cook two eggs in a bucket of water, but the time and cost of cooking))))

[APASUS]

A normal American approach to business when a plane does not correspond to certain performance characteristics is launched into the PR service. And they really will put the American aircraft in first place in all ratings .............

[avva2012]

Normal American approach to business
Well, what are you, these are all thieves and embezzlers in our country. And in America, no, no, any "cuts", have not heard.

[Vadim237]

There he cut between firms, for his interests, into other developments - paying for his curiosity at the expense of the state.

[LÄRZ]

Expensive-cheap is a relative concept. Not more expensive than money. And they are where it is produced, as you know, "chickens do not peck." they are accustomed to relying on their technologies, so they often solve problems "head-on". And it is not always possible to turn on your "mind" in order to find a beautiful and elegant technical solution. They would work in our conditions, you see, it would help.

[Wedmak]

Saw, saw and saw. Until victory. The Americans have no other options. Upgrading the F-16 / 15 will give them some time, but they will not be able to fly to infinity either. By the way, if they had made the F-35 with two engines, there would have been a better chance of its truly multifunctionality. And so they are trying to put in the Procrustean bed the unsuitable.

[avva2012]

"Such problems common to all variants of a fighter include: increased tendency of machines to roll and stall at medium angles of attack; imperfection of the aircraft control system software; frequent failures of the power plant (CS), including the starter-generator and external gearbox; high vibration combustion in afterburner modes of engine operation; low reliability indicators of the helmet-mounted display and target designation system in the absence of indication on the windshield; failures of the on-board inert gas generation system. "
Interestingly, and the failure of the power plant of an airplane with such an astronomical price, is it, like seeds?

[Yak28]

With the collapse of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact countries moved to the United States along with equipment, which means that American aircraft were in the hands of American designers, except for strategic bombers and Mig31, as well as air defense systems, operational tactical missile systems, and armored vehicles. . And how much military documentation was handed over to the states. As a result of the information received and the use of its technology, how can the USA create a bad plane? Or a tank, or a rocket, and so on? To make the states create a plane worse than ours, we need a huge talent

[yuriy55]

I won’t even dissuade you of the high intelligence of American designers and their deep knowledge of Russian military equipment ... About the RD-180 in no way, just ...

The tank gun of Russian manufacturers is forged, which makes it possible to increase its resource several times ... It is known even "over there", not here. To know something - they know, but they cannot do it ...

By the way, these legends about the best American technology in any TOPs on the Internet are scattered completely ...

[Yak28]

And why should the Americans launch rockets on their engines, if you can print a penny paper, draw a dollar on it, and Russia can buy rocket engines that are difficult to manufacture on these pieces of paper. And about the tank guns, I don’t remember the war where our modern tanks distinguished themselves.

[Andrey VOV]

Look at the vaunted Abrams harnessed with cornet in Yemen at a time ... look ... and then write ...

[Yak28]

And what did I write that the Abrams are not penetrable? Or maybe where I wrote that the Abrams are the best tanks in the world?

[avva2012]

And how much military documentation was handed over to the states. As a result of the information received and the use of its technology, how can the USA create a bad aircraft? Or a tank, or a rocket, and so on? To make the states worse than ours, we need a huge talent
a paradox, however. But on the other hand, AK, which is much more accessible, and when there was "Desert Storm", the Americans, something often came across on camera with a Kalash. The opposite situation, "Mercedes" is on free sale, and the engine, for some reason we do not do this.

[Vadim237]

And who will buy these engines, so that the production pays off, it is necessary to sell several tens of thousands of engines per year.

[Amurets]

Quote: Vadim237

And who will buy these engines, so that the production pays off, it is necessary to sell several tens of thousands of engines per year.

The demand for engines of this class is enormous, but Mercedes will not place the production of these engines with us. And our engines have long and hopelessly become outdated morally. I will not give examples, but only we can’t switch to four valves per cylinder, they can’t go on diesels per liter power over 35ls / l. and much more. Why do I have to order engines for ships abroad, from MTU or in China. I hope after the launch of new production in Yaroslavl, Tutaev at YaMZ (in Tutaev TMZ and a branch of YaMZ), in Naberezhnye Chelny (Cummins and the new KAMAZ series with modified S / D, with new generation automobile engines, the problem will be solved. Because these ICEs are needed not only in the civilian, but also in the army.

[Vadim237]

You need to create your own fuel management system, similar to Common Rail, but this is not a single year's work.

[Yak28]

Kalash has large gaps in the moving parts of the mechanism, because of this the dirt is blown out, and in other countries they went the other way, reducing reliability, but increasing firing accuracy and accuracy of automatic fire. Also, the AK has a removable receiver on which it is inconvenient to install modern sights. In general, it seems to me that Kalash was adopted because Kalashnikov had connections in the government. More interesting samples were presented at the competition for a new assault rifle

[Andrey VOV]

What are you talking about that kind of ??? ??? I myself shot at least once from Kalashnikov ?? in skillful and right-handed hands everything will be so heaped on your forehead if you don’t have time to squeak

[Yak28]

And you probably flew on the F-35

[Bayonet]

Quote: Yak28

And you probably flew on the F-35

This is completely optional, the main thing is to SPECIFICALLY SPEAK!

[Alf]

Quote: Andrey VOV

What are you talking about that kind of ??? ??? I myself shot at least once from Kalashnikov ?? in skillful and right-handed hands everything will be so heaped on your forehead if you don’t have time to squeak

Right. In techies, we were taken out once to a shooting range. They distributed the machine guns, it is not known from whose hands, it is not known whether they were shot at all. They gave 9 rounds per 50 meters, I knocked out (I do not boast) two dozen, three eights and one nine, despite the fact that I had not shot before. Others shot about the same. One Fort Bragg shooting instructor (I think it’s not worthwhile to say WHO is training in F-B), stated that the range of REAL fire from assault rifles does not exceed 100 meters.

[cap]

gate

"The norm for incomplete assembly / disassembly of a Kalashnikov assault rifle in the Russian army is 15/25 seconds.
I fit 10./18 "
Shutter AK-74. Find the design easier

[corporal]

Quote: cap

Shutter AK-74

AKS-74U

[avva2012]

In general, it seems to me that Kalash was adopted because Kalashnikov had connections in the government.
Did the sergeant have any links in the government? Joke.
About gaps, it has long been known, since school, NVP was called. And when your machine gun stops shooting, then yes, it is very important that you can hang on it, or the accuracy is weak there. I would say disastrously important.

[Alf]

Quote: Yak28

Kalash has large gaps in the moving parts of the mechanism, because of this the dirt is blown out, and in other countries they went the other way, reducing reliability, but increasing accuracy and the accuracy of automatic fire.

What is the use of super-precision shooting if weapons failing to go outside the factory?

[Mera joota]

It’s already tired, the same thing every day ...
Maybe enough about the F-35? Tired of, by golly ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mera Joota

Maybe enough about the F-35? Tired of, by golly ...

It's time to move on the T-50! Or is there nothing to say?

[TSOOBER]

everything is according to plan, no need to rush! Photo from 07.01.16/50/5! T-XNUMX-XNUMXR handsome!

[Nosgoth]

Everything is cool, of course, that's just the number of copies planned for the MO ... that's where the sadness is :-(

[newcomer]

in general, somewhere I read about one ex-general on acceptance_yanki. so he said, for adoption, weapons should be effective (not to be confused with efficiency) and expensive. here you have all the answers. and about f35, well guys what is this super weapon? he was born already dead.

[yuriy55]

Only numbers:

USA, April 22 - News. The total cost of the program to create a new generation of stealth fighter F-35 "Lightning-2" (Lightning II) has reached 1,3 trillion dollars. This was announced by the head of the program, Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan.

http://www.news-usa.ru/vo-skolko-ssha-oboshlos-sozdanie-novejshego-istrebitelya-

f-35.html

For comparison:

The official cost of the Apollo program is $ 25,4 billion in 1969, or approximately $ 149 billion in 2010 prices, includes the development and construction of the entire experimental-industrial complex.

[Yak28]

Don’t say that today the F-35 is the most advanced vertical take-off and landing aircraft in the world. It appeared of course due in large part to the documentation on the Yak-141 sold by the United States. But whoever managed to eat it

[0255]

And the F-35, in turn, was "stolen" by the Chinese

[Yak28]

Now it is a matter of honor to steal from China their lost technology.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Yak28

Don’t say that today the F-35 is the most advanced vertical take-off and landing aircraft in the world. It appeared of course due in large part to the documentation on the Yak-141 sold by the United States. But whoever managed to eat it

It is hard to disagree, especially since it is he and Harrier. Harrier is almost retired, our YAKs are history ...
And more, nothing!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Yak28

. Of course, he appeared largely due to the documentation sold by the United States about the Yak-141 aircraft.

Did the lifting engines from Yak forget to steal and therefore put a fan on? That's out of luck

[0255]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Yak28

. Of course, he appeared largely due to the documentation sold by the United States about the Yak-141 aircraft.

Did the lifting engines from Yak forget to steal and therefore put a fan on? That's out of luck

But the documentation for the Yak-141 was used in the F-35, it is a fact

[Bayonet]

Quote: 0255

But the documentation for the Yak-141 was used in the F-35, it is a fact

The 3BSN rotary nozzle mechanism was developed by RR back in 1964 for the RB.153-76A engine according to the German project VJ 101E, and until 67, the engine and the nozzle passed quite successful ground tests, including fire tests.
In 1968-69, the same engine was developed under the AVS project. By the way, for this project, for the first time, a scheme with a lifting fan with a gas-dynamic drive was worked out.
By the time work began on the Yak-41, the nozzle mechanism was already in the museum of the company, where it remains today.
A bit later, Yakovlevites used not only the 3BSN scheme, but also the general layout scheme of the VJ 101E, which is generally not surprising, since at the time of completion of work on supersonic VTOL in Europe, this scheme was considered the most promising.
Subsequently, the Yakovlevites' successful experience in creating an aircraft with 3BSN attracted the attention of LM, who at that time were in search of the optimal scheme for their promising VTOL aircraft under the JSF project. Despite the fact that RR offered its 3BSN development services on the basis of its AVS developments, LM preferred to purchase documentation from Yakovlevites, since they were primarily interested not so much in the kinematics of the nozzle (it was well-known for a long time at that time), but as the accumulated operating experience nozzles on the Yak-141, and the Yakovlev experience was valuable because the Yak-141 scheme as a whole resembled that chosen for the X-35. In addition, cooperation with the Russians seemed more profitable for financial reasons. RR received a contract to develop the LM fan invented in LM, as well as to develop a gas rudder system (in this area, RR’s global leadership is undeniable).
Nevertheless, for some reason, cooperation with the Yakovlevites did not work out (various reasons were named, far from conspiracy, however), and a couple of years later the contract for the development of the nozzle was transferred to RR, and it is not known whether the documentation received from Russia was transferred to RR. RR carried out the development anew, and according to the company's representatives, "from scratch", and it was she who became part of the X-35 and later the F-35.

[Wheel]

Quote: Bayonet

The 3BSN rotary nozzle mechanism was developed by RR back in 1964 for the RB.153-76A engine according to the German project VJ 101E, and until 67, the engine and the nozzle passed quite successful ground tests, including fire tests.
In 1968-69, the same engine was developed under the AVS project. By the way, for this project, for the first time, a scheme with a lifting fan with a gas-dynamic drive was worked out.
By the time work began on the Yak-41, the nozzle mechanism was already in the museum of the company, where it remains today.

Something all of this reminds me of the famous F-1 engine, which is just as long and stubbornly in museums, and the Russian NK-33 and RD-180 are buying endos.

[Scraptor]

F-1 had nothing to do with it, although it worked unreliably, although it is not used now because of this.

This pro-Lockheed troll, along with others with copy-papstones of such nonsense, crawls out here and there regularly. They have already been explained several times to them. Now blacklisted and thinks that his comments will not be seen

Both the Americans and the Germans could not create an engine like that of the Yak. As well as how to make the general weight distribution of the aircraft and the system for matching its thrust with the PD or the fan (taken from any XV-5 so that the F-35 has at least something American). Therefore, with the advent of the era of democracy, they took all this "missing" from the Yakovlevites. Moreover, they took then first OKB Yak (and then part of the Yakovlevites in the United States) to saw the Yak in F-35 to their contract. That is, they themselves did not even master this perepilding. Because Zadornov does not feel at all (and before that Sikorsky made helicopters for them).
For the Germans, the model of such a 3BDSM engine at the stand exploded successfully at 60% of the actual size just when the afterburner was turned on (as Russian should understand) even without trying, like the Americans, to deviate its nozzle down.

In the U.S., later boiled over about AVS and VJ-101E, the XFV-12 tried to fly in which all this (nozzle and distributed throttle matching system) was not there, and not the Convair 200 in which the Americans only dreamed about it, and which existed only in the form of a pencil sketch.

Before Lockheed came to Yakovlev, there was no X-35 as well as the "competing" X-32. This competition was thought up later, as it was immediately clear who would win it. After which Lockheed took Boeing for the production of the F-35 on a subcontract.

In Rolls-Royce, Lockheed "gave away" the Yakovlev technology simply because he himself is not engaged in engines. Lockheed & RR specialists at Russian factories and at Yakovlev's, licking Freestyle technology to the last bolt, have been present in secret zones for 1,5 years, it was not a simple "documentation sale" (and for some reason without a license, and everything was later patented by them from yourself).

Prior to that, the same group of comrades who worked at McDonnell (and then moved to Lockheed), through the creation of a pseudo-consortium from British Aerospace, stole all Harrier's technology, from which they threw the British out of the field after they "shared their experience" with them.

Under the USSR, in the same strange way, all Soviet technologies for the lunar project, including the Surveyor soft landing system, life support systems and RP-1 kerosene fuel, ended up in the United States. They "bought" the automatic docking system later, as well as the X-37 landing system on the runway from the "Buran". All life support systems for the American segment of the ISS are nevertheless concentrated in their Russian launch and production module.
Until now, the United States does not own the technology for the production of aviation titanium, even all SR-71s were made entirely from Soviet.

[looker-on]

Can this fact be provided here? I am a connoisseur of facts.

[Scraptor]

Go to the Lockheed website codeonemagazine and type Yak-141 there - even they, half and half with their anti-Soviet feces, already openly admit this fact, you alone with a "bayonet" and a number of trolls are here "ahead of the whole planet."
And earlier they recognized it openly, only then they shut up for a while.

[iliitchitch]

I was especially amused about the contract for the modernization, which Lockheed won, well, not to give "Sukhoi". This whole F-35 idiot resembles a story about "buy a brick, man". They bent the corporations to the state for themselves, as Ilyich had warned. The last stage.

[Vadim237]

Lockheed Martin is still threatening to create the first thermonuclear reactor in 2023 - that's why they will milk the financial cow in the face of the US Armed Forces to the maximum.

[Wedmak]

Lockheed Martin still threatens to create the first thermonuclear reactor in 2023

Yes, yes, yes ... Hundreds of scientists from different countries have been working on this for 30 years already, and all that could be done is 3-4 seconds of plasma burning when the energy output is several times less than was expended. And it’s like nothing that a dozen countries are forming the construction of a tokamak or stellarator without a guarantee of good luck. This Lockheed ... with a wave of his hand will build a reactor and put into commercial use. Chatterboxes.
And somehow quietly passed the message about the launch of BN-800 in late July. For the uninitiated - this type of reactor will allow you to close the nuclear cycle on yourself. That is, the fuel generated in conventional WWER reactors is now stupidly stored. And it is very much. And BN it can be used. And the developed fuel of BN-on can also be reused, it is only necessary to dilute it with new fuel.
So while they are developing a thermonuclear reactor, while Lockheed rubs his tongue, we already have working technologies far ahead of everyone else.

[Vadim237]

But they don’t give money for our own thermonuclear reactors.

[purple]

Tacto in the tokamak project and Russia is involved? Are you a troll chtoli?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

And somehow quietly passed the message about the launch of BN-800 in late July. For the uninitiated - this type of reactor will allow you to close the nuclear cycle on yourself. That is, the fuel generated in conventional WWER reactors is now stupidly stored. And it is very much. And BN it can be used. And the developed fuel of BN-on can also be reused, it is only necessary to dilute it with new fuel.

We have already been working on such projects for 30-40 years. There have been projects of atomic bombers and this is a fact. But as long as this question is open, there are a lot of problems with such a reactor. So far, only at the Wishlist level.

[Wedmak]

Such work has been going on with us for 30-40

Yes, but only we have a working reactor. Others only design or build. The first batch of MOX fuel was specially made for BN-800, which burns much faster in fast neutron reactors. To use it in thermal neutron reactors, not only will their modernization be required, but also special. A license from the IAEA is needed. Well, these are trifles.
The most important thing is what and how this MOX fuel is obtained from:
MOX fuel can also be obtained by processing irradiated fuel from power reactors. During processing, plutonium isotopes are extracted from it, for example, for fuel, after a fairly long campaign, almost two-thirds are Pu-239 and Pu-241 isotopes (fissile in thermal neutron reactors), and about a third are Pu-240 [5] [ 6]. Due to such a high content of the 240 isotope, plutonium obtained through the processing of fuels cannot be used to produce reliable and predictable nuclear charges.
Nuclear bombers and cars were of course, but this project, with the serial production of BNs, will turn the entire nuclear industry upside down even before the fusion reactor is built.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

Nuclear bombers and cars were of course, but this project, with the serial production of BNs, will turn the entire nuclear industry upside down even before the fusion reactor is built.

Is everything all right, but how much will such a bomber cost? If Lebed from scratch costs a lard a half, I think. And is it worth it if the project’s profitability is positive in case of a good series, where can I get the money for?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vadim237

Lockheed Martin still threatens to create the first thermonuclear reactor in 2023

Well, they’re not the only ones On the pages of VO, promises are constantly being laid out to build many new products by 2020! Waiting for!

[newcomer]

Yes, and here's another, well, to finish off this topic already. According to our experts (from KB Tu, Yak, Moment, Su, Grumman, even Lockheed), the Yankees squeezed everything they could from the Yak. further quote: “they were let down by a constant desire, even a moniac desire to complicate and mix everything up.”

[newcomer]

yak 28, excuse me, what is the perfection of this object?

[Yak28]

Which vertical take-off and landing aircraft today exceeds the F-35? If you call this one, then we will put the F-35 in second place among the aircraft GDP

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Yak28

Which vertical take-off and landing aircraft today exceeds the F-35? If you call this one, then we will put the F-35 in second place among the aircraft GDP

And, actually, a colleague, why do we need such an ashtray? And the documentation for the Yak-141 from poverty stepped ...

[Scraptor]

For 500 thousand, is it from the American? They could not give more?

Yeah, also ka "Energy", "Buran", DOS "Mir", SSBN pr 941 left only one, Yak in museums only two ... Most of the 12 world records (if not all) are still for Yak

[AlNikolaich]

The fact that it does not compare and not already!

[Zomanus]

People, do not scold the plane, otherwise Americans are reading us.
It is necessary to praise, praise, that would continue to do these aircraft and upgrade.
And they began to produce modifications of these aircraft.
More, more expensive, more technological ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Zomanus

People, don’t need to scold the plane, otherwise Americans are reading us

I also think, why educate stupid Americans, let them spend money on all kinds of shit! After all, we definitely have it - ABOVE, FURTHER AND FASTER!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

After all, we definitely have it - ABOVE, FURTHER AND FASTER!

That some enemy doubts!

[gg.na]

Ka-a-aaka-a-aayaayaaaa kraskii-i-iiva-a-aayaaya gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[givigor71]

Today is a beautiful day and I really want to raise a glass for sofa experts. For you Lord !!! Be sure to drop the link for peasants today, let them laugh ...
But in general, is there a military?

[fa2998]

Quote: D-Master

The plane is certainly very so-so.

And what did other countries instantly bring to perfection? It was the same years and money. Just remember that the USA F-35 is already the second aircraft of the next generation, and the rest of the country has projects, models, pre-production prototypes and pictures! They’ll bring it, they will regret the money spent, you need to return it!

[bmv04636]

Yes, let the "light elves" pick up these miraculous young penguins as much as possible, they are exactly what the doctor ordered.

[HARDDEN_KMV]

Write a lot about YAK! And the YAK is basically a training apparatus and it must be upgraded into an electronic warfare agent, a front-line interceptor, etc. there is no possibility ... And why did we rollback from vertical takeoff !? The same YAK ate the floor of the tank on takeoff) but it was still necessary to shoot, fly back and sit down, so with the current technologies, well, in the absence of a "correct" power unit, there is no point in vertical takeoff! It is not advisable! Proved the USSR !!!

[LÄRZ]

I agree. "You can't take both a tit and a pussy in one hand"

[Scraptor]

This is what you "prove" here ... So much neither on landing nor even more so on takeoff the engine will not have time to eat it in seconds.

[Yak28]

Not a bad movie about creating our planes, vertical take-off and landing.

[yuriy55]

Here is also a good one about the news:

[Wedmak]

Ndaa .... talks about the Su-24M, and shows the MiG-29. In general, this program is from the cycle "everything is cool with us, but it is secret and in general this is not the device that you are looking for." Crumbs of reliable information are mixed with tons of speculation, rumors, and even outright stuffing.

[kartalovkolya]

Do not waste time discussing what you have not seen, but argue with hearsay like: "... my uncle saw how the master was eating ..."! Life will show what they "blinded" and how it will fly, and even more so how it will fight! The declared capabilities and abilities are tested by combat use, and everything else is just a "rustle of nuts"!

[vic58]

URA-A! An ingenious move of our intelligence! The most "platinum coffin" in the air! Just calculate the price of 3 air defense missiles and F-50, please! If you did not study using "advanced Western" technologies ...
And so the Fursenkos!

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Personally, I prefer the Chinese approach to the problem - the F-35 is a good aircraft, ours are a little worse, but MUCH cheaper. We will build three of them for each F-35, in a real battle the F-35 will have time to shoot down one, maximum two of our aircraft. Our third plane will overwhelm the F-35 and fly to destroy other targets. Something like this. Why make such a complex, expensive and vulnerable aircraft, if with this money you can make five aircraft simpler, but narrowly sharpened, including to shoot down the F-35?

[ism_ek]

Expensive, because under the F-35 brand, the Americans created three aircraft. Multipurpose, vertical landing aircraft and aircraft for aircraft carriers. Moreover, the grandmothers divorced primarily allies. Most need only the first option, and they pay for the development of all three.

On the other hand, the error of our MIG is repeated. Why stuff everything you can into the simplified version of the F-22. MIG made MIG-35, but cannot sell it. Customers of a light aircraft do not need all these bells and whistles.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ism_ek

MIG made MIG-35, but cannot sell it.

What’s the reason MIG-35 became a light fighter? MIG-35 is more of an average MFI. Have you seen its mass? But you can’t sell it, because it’s a deep but still modernization on the 29th. And now everyone is moving for generation 5.Do not upgrade the 29th, it will not become a 5th generation LFI.

[wicked pinnochio]

If the plane is as bad as they say, why the shtatovtsy rush with it like a written shell?

[Wedmak]

why shtatovtsy rush with him like a written bag?

And they have no other options. To begin designing a new, let's say fighter, is much more expensive. And time will pass decently. You can resume the release of F-22. True, there were rumors that their assembly line was dismantled and the slipway went to metal. I don’t know whether to believe or not. But still, it would be cheaper than starting a new one.

[0255]

Quote: Wedmak

Only the F-22 can be resumed. True, there were rumors that their assembly line was dismantled and the slipway went to metal. I don’t know whether to believe or not. But still, it would be cheaper than starting a new one.

They write that the Raptor production line has been mothballed, in which case their production can be resumed

[wicked pinnochio]

well, they like to throw money down the drain

[Alf]

Quote: Angry Pinnochio

If the plane is as bad as they say, why the shtatovtsy rush with it like a written shell?

Because it can make good money.
There are wonderful words in the Robocop film - Ten years of production, twenty-five years of production of spare parts, who cares that it does not work.

[Chidoryan]

Yes, how much can you console yourself with the fact that the F-35 is a bad plane. From article to article. The same is visible to the blind - some kind of inferiority complex. There are no analogues in the ranks yet; I am ashamed!

[Eastern wind]

It will be possible to speak about efficiency after their mass combat use. As for me, let them fall apart even when taking off!

[cap]

Su-35 vs F-35. "Uncle beats a child with a baton"
Is the most secretive American combat aircraft F-35 easy prey fighter Su-35? Some believe that this is a completely true statement, writes indrus.in 26 July.
In July 2008, an air battle simulation was carried out with the participation of a Su-35 fighter against a mixed fleet of American fighters - F-22, F / A-18 Super Hornet and F-35, where the latter was “beaten with a baton as a child”
. The simulation was carried out on the basis of the US Air Force Hikam in Hawaii, which was witnessed by at least four representatives of the Australian Air Force and military intelligence. Member of the Australian Parliament Dennis Jensen (Dennis Jensen) with skill said that during the "strictly classified simulation" F-35 was "mercilessly beaten by a Su-35 fighter."

Sukhoi company presents Su-35 as a fighter of the 4 ++ generation with some signs of the fifth generation, that is, with stealth characteristics. His ability to shoot down stealth planes is largely determined by super-maneuverability. Very expensive Western fighters are in the role of "plates" for rifle shooting.
http://topwar.ru/30092-su-35-vs-f-35-dyadya-izbivaet-dubinkoy-rebenka.html
Something like that

[Orionvit]

Quote: avvg

All the same, the Americans will find someone to "spoil" them.

All the world's experts unanimously say that the F-35 is 'obscenely expensive', and that's putting it mildly. Only countries that are directly dependent on the states will buy it. And as for the combat characteristics, we'll see. And I completely forgot, all these 4 +++++ are already tired. There is a plane who does not like it, let it try a real air battle.

[cap]

Quote: cap

gate

"The norm for incomplete assembly / disassembly of a Kalashnikov assault rifle in the Russian army is 15/25 seconds.
I fit 10./18 "
Shutter AK-74. Find the design easier

Shutter M-16 for comparison. To clean the holes with a toothpick. It's in the desert either. Or a thorn from saxaul. Maybe not quite right here. But on the branch it was talked about lobbying Kalashnikov in the government. Hooked.

[vv3]

The F-35 in the basic version has only 1 drawback - high cost. But we don't buy it, we have to resist it. And it is a serious opponent in long-range and medium-range combat. The announced technical innovations and capabilities are impressive, and are not implemented on our production aircraft. - this is a completely different plane and there are many controversial points at which everyone is pointing a finger ... Of course, not everything can be trusted on the `` word '', but you cannot underestimate the enemy either.