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Media: Ankara after the conflict with Moscow is increasingly losing influence in Asia

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Turkey, having already lost a significant part of its influence in the Middle East, has now come close to losing influence in Central Asia, leading RIA News article by Al-Monitor browser Zulfikar Dogan.




"Turkey, which has lost its economic, political and diplomatic influence in the Middle East due to the deterioration of relations with Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Israel, is now on the verge of losing Central Asia because of the crisis in Ankara’s relations with Russia after the events in Syria, ”writes the browser.

Dogan notes that "some CIS countries that have close ties with Turkey after the collapse of the USSR are now distancing themselves from it." At the December summit, they condemned Ankara and called on her to apologize to the Russian Federation.

“The support given to Russia by the Turkic republics of Central Asia, which received loans and financial assistance in the amount of billions of dollars from Turkey, as well as Atambayev’s call to apologize to Moscow shocked Turkey, disappointed Erdogan and the Justice and Development Party government,” the author writes.

According to him, "Russian sanctions have put at risk the export of Turkish goods to Central Asia, and the route through the Caspian Sea and Azerbaijan cannot fully ensure it."

“Due to the fall in oil prices and the resumption of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Azerbaijan is not the most reliable partner. Turkey fears new weapon Russia in the Caspian Sea, ”said Dogan.

According to him, “because of the military agreement signed by Russia and Armenia in December, the normalization of Russian-Georgian relations and the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Turkey is losing access to the Caucasus.”

Moreover, "the Eurasian Economic Union refused to sign an agreement on a free trade zone with Turkey, preferring negotiations with Iran," the author points out.

All these steps “lead to the isolation of Ankara in Central Asia,” concludes Dogan.
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 8 January 2016 08: 51
    96
    It is high time that the Turks from Central Asia and the South Caucasus should be thrown out or at least severely limited their influence there. Even in our Volga region and in the North Caucasus, it is necessary to brush up - there Turkish "businessmen and cultural figures" are also active. I generally keep quiet about Crimea - the Mejlis feeds itself from Erdogan's hand. In general, there is still a lot of work to be done.
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 8 January 2016 09: 02
      53
      Turkey is just beginning to feel all the charms of the policies pursued by its government. The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 8 January 2016 11: 09
        15
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Turkey is just beginning to feel all the charms of the policies pursued by its government. The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.


        And then Erdogan sounds so beautiful and hopeful: "the government of the Justice and Development Party" ...

        All evil has always been disguised as beautiful candy wrappers ...
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 9 January 2016 19: 27
          +4
          Quote: veksha50
          All evil has always been disguised as beautiful candy wrappers ...


          Napoleon’s suitcase went with the owner of about 20 wars, but he still remained a suitcase.
          Our sworn "friend", Bush Sr., said well on this occasion:
        2. atakan
          atakan 10 January 2016 10: 19
          0
          Yeah, "Evil Empire", "The Mills of the World Community", the National Socialist Party in Germany, "the countries of the civilized world"
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 8 January 2016 11: 29
        +5
        Here I agree completely. The feeling that Erdogan and Co. are leading the country to war, not to an external one, but to a civil one, which is most likely. Who only needs this? Unclear...
      3. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 8 January 2016 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Turkey is just beginning to feel all the charms of the policies pursued by its government. The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.

        According to the case of the right-wing clique of Turkey, not the final tan, soon only the memories of these people in the world and Turkey will remain!
      4. Atrix
        Atrix 8 January 2016 13: 12
        -2
        Quote: Al_oriso
        The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.

        Isolation from which countries ??? When the countries called the sanctions against Russia, they said that this was just a small amount, that there was no question of any kind of isolation. And you say Turkey’s isolation against which only Russia was sanctioned and not one of Russia's so-called allies.
        Yes, she will not experience the country as such, ordinary people who worked with Russia will suffer again, as well as people in Russia who worked with Turkey.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 8 January 2016 16: 55
          23
          Quote: Atrix
          Yes, she will not experience the country as such, ordinary people who worked with Russia will suffer again, as well as people in Russia who worked with Turkey.

          Simple Turkish guys - animators and waiters in all-inclusive hotels will especially suffer. God, how I feel sorry for them! Almost the same as our lonely overripe ladies who traveled to Turkey for sexual adventures. How will they now live without each other?
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 8 January 2016 19: 08
            -5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Almost the same as our lonely overripe ladies who traveled to Turkey for sexual adventures. How will they now live without each other?


            Re-export

            I would regret the beam of the Russians who worked in Turkish firms! Coral hunted, drooped, in a carpet factory, in pimapen, etc.
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 8 January 2016 21: 02
          +3
          Isolation (difficulties with logistics and politics) from Central Asia and loss of influence! Read the articles carefully, please.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 8 January 2016 09: 02
      33
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      In general, much work remains to be done.

      What's right is right. Back in the XNUMXth century, Turkey was spoken of as the "sick man of Europe." It is believed that Nicholas I was the first to apply this definition to the Oman Empire. In fact, the characterization of Turkey as a "sick man of Europe" has been used before. If a person is sick, and as a result of his illness he commits crimes, then this person must be treated forcibly, up to a lobotomy.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 8 January 2016 09: 49
        42
        I understand that "some" do not like Kadyrov - but listen:
        strong !! good
        ====
        Kadyrov about Turkey and why he supports Russia

        ==========

        and - I will not flood - just references for mood lol
        fake not fake don't know
        http://www.sakhapress.ru/mobile/archives/205852
        and then the fun on this topic
        http://gmorder.livejournal.com/3997540.html
        1. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 8 January 2016 10: 12
          16
          Calmly, competently, judiciously, carefully and reasonably.
          The burden of power teaches responsibility for one’s activities.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 8 January 2016 19: 45
            +4
            Only this burden teaches nothing to "our" liberals. They will wait, the animals are insatiable.
        2. Aandrewsir
          Aandrewsir 8 January 2016 14: 00
          +9
          Reasonably, distinctly, with dignity. Well done, Ramzan!
      2. WKS
        WKS 8 January 2016 09: 59
        13
        Turkey is also worried about Russia's new weapons in the Caspian Sea, ”said Dogan.

        But this grouping needs to be increased.
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 8 January 2016 11: 35
          +4
          need to increase, but it’s not worth it to advertise, let it be a surprise.))
        2. tao
          tao 9 January 2016 16: 48
          +1
          Quote: wks
          Turkey is also worried about Russia's new weapons in the Caspian Sea, ”said Dogan.

          But this grouping needs to be increased.

          Not just to build up, but to catch up with leaps and bounds that excess towards the Turkish armed forces that exists now.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 8 January 2016 09: 03
      56
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      In general, much work remains to be done.

      Yes, the work is endless, it is necessary to slowly but surely tighten the noose around Turkey.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 8 January 2016 19: 50
        +2
        Guys! We will not transfer the vileness of the Turkish government to the Turkish people. And we have enough of these creatures in power.
        I think that it is not long for Erodgan and his comrades to rule (for our liberals, I hope, the logical end will also come). And we will live in a neighborly way, without abuse, but also without false illusions about an unprecedented neighborly friendship.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 8 January 2016 21: 09
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          Guys! We will not transfer the vileness of the Turkish government to the Turkish people. And we have enough of these creatures in power.

          Every nation has a government that it deserves.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 9 January 2016 15: 43
            0
            What am I talking about? Therefore, I say so.
      2. tao
        tao 9 January 2016 16: 50
        0
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        In general, much work remains to be done.

        Yes, the work is endless, it is necessary to slowly but surely tighten the noose around Turkey.

        ... Qatar, Saudi Arabia.
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 8 January 2016 09: 37
      16
      The theory is interesting, but it represents just the fabrications of one of the many political observers (we have such on every couch ...). The expert took it like this and “isolated” and “buried” Turkey - a state with a second NATO army, a fairly stable economy, control over the Black Sea straits, etc. And these, if they help Ukraine against us, then "God himself ordered" Turkey ...
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 8 January 2016 10: 52
        +7
        In fact, it is better to focus not on Turkey as a country, because isolating it is problematic, but on the ruling elite there. Here is to help the opposition, it’s not so expensive, and more prospects for success ...
        1. vlad-58
          vlad-58 8 January 2016 11: 35
          +4
          Quote: Jovanni
          Here is to help the opposition, it’s not so expensive, and more prospects for success ...

          ... And the opposition is the Kurds! ...
          So they need to provide all kinds of help! and financial, and military ... and diplomatic ...
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 11: 57
        +8
        marlin1203
        Well, not every second person, well, not on the couch ... I carefully read the article and did not find "here the expert" isolated "and" buried "Turkey". I guess I need new glasses, excuse me. By the way, about the funeral, no need to interfere, she will bury herself. But with a stable economy, this is already in the past. The sanctions hit both of them, but the one who squeals louder gets the bigger one. And whoever did not take into account the consequences is as stupid as a navel. The Bosphorus is yes, apparently it's time to make the Bosphorus Sea so that there are no problems in the future. The United States has long been outside the brackets, except for concern and suspicion one bunch. What is left, the second army in Europe, the fifth in the world? A year of war with the Kurds, and the war will be full-scale there, give a time, and there will be no not only the army, but also the country, but everyone in Turkey understands this.
    5. Mjohn
      Mjohn 8 January 2016 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      It is high time the Turks from Central Asia and the South Caucasus kicked out or at least severely limit their influence there.

      At least Georgia to make pro-Russian
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 8 January 2016 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: MJohn
        At least Georgia to make pro-Russian


        It’s easier than Azerbaijan - taking into account the latest Yankees raids ...
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 January 2016 15: 43
          -3
          Quote: Weyland
          It’s easier than Azerbaijan - taking into account the latest Yankees raids ...

          None of these countries can be done about Russia, even if Putin and all the government and parliament are assembled from the Russians at the head.
          As long as there is a problem of Karabakh and Ossetia with Abkhazia and there is Russia's support for these entities, any ruler will be removed in a second if he begins to be close friends with Russia.
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 January 2016 19: 50
            +3
            It is not all clear, for example, in the conflict between Iran and Turkey and the Arabian emirs, an explicit religious war appears. Those. conflict of Shiites and Sunnis. If Russia supports Shiites not from religious, but because of political and economic reasons. That is, the majority of Azerbaijanis - Shiites and by religion will support Iran and co-religionists, and religion is stronger than even ethnic bonds. Plus, of course, there will be just ethnic Azerbaijanis in the Iranian-Shiite army. Therefore, at some point, they simply won’t remember Karabakh, especially since no one announced the Gazavat to the Armenians at one time, the same Turks washed their hands and didn’t open a second front, and plainly did not support the defeated Azerbaijani army with either arms or money.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2016 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: hrych
              That is, the majority of Azerbaijanis - Shiites and by religion will support Iran and co-religionists, and religion is stronger than even ethnic bonds

              You please do not confuse Azerbaijanis with schizo Arabs, who, being one nation of a mosque, blow up each other.
              Secondly, Azerbaijanis are Muslims in words and especially Shiites. These are all conventions, only a small category of active ones. And nationality plays a primary role. And I will say even more that there are many ardent Shiites who do not like Persians. Since the Persians use Shiism to justify their nationalism .
              Quote: hrych
              the same Turks washed the arms and did not open a second front, and did not really support the defeated Azerbaijani army with either arms or money.

              Well, firstly, at that time there was no Azerbaijani army, there was a bunch of different troops.
              And Russia made it clear to the Turks that no one would let the Turks into the Caucasus when Turkey conducted large-scale exercises near the borders of Armenia, either the 4th or 5th field army.
              Both Turkey 90s format and Turkey 201-5th format are different things.
              1. Turkey at that time knew little about what Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis were. Right now, Azerbaijan is of key importance in Turkey’s domestic policy, as it has an influence on the general opinion and a new generation of young and nationalist-minded youth has grown up who consider 2 countries as their own homeland.
              And Turkey still keeps the borders with Armenia closed. And how Azerbaijan hit Erdogan’s head when he tried to open the border.

              And right now, anti-Iranian and anti-American sentiments are very strong in Azerbaijan. It has been anti-Russian since the 90s, so it’s not very turbulent, because it is boring simply and is perceived as natural. And if anti-Iranian and anti-Russian are connected with Karabakh because of the support of the Armenians. emitted by power.
              Conventionally, everything looks like this:
              1. USA and EU are brothers of Armenians.
              2. Russia is the owner of the Armenians.
              3. An Iran-oppressor of Azerbaijanis in Iran and an assistant to Armenians because of fear of Azerbaijanis within the country and any strengthening of the Republic of Azerbaijan itself.
              1. hrych
                hrych 8 January 2016 21: 10
                +1
                Probably you certainly know better, but on the other hand, the Karabakh problem, I also think most of the townsfolk are not very worried, rather if the refugees and lost loved ones. Here, of course, the well-being of citizens still plays an important role, I think the standard of living is higher than the average Turk, Iranian or Armenian. Therefore, in a prosperous country, it’s very difficult to recruit extremists for any purpose. As for your ruler, I think he understands what is happening with the Turkish elite and regards the absence of a common border as a blessing. But Iran is actually pragmatic, but there are enough worries in the East and Arabia. Here, Azerbaijan needs to be Caucasian Switzerland, and because of the problem solved only by a big war and blood, it’s not worth the risk with an uncertain outcome. Yes, and trying to return a piece of land unsuitable for life with the threat of losing all statehood, at least not advisable. Or to be, as the Russian Federation, a superpower and the way we see it is troublesome ...
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 8 January 2016 22: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  Probably you certainly know better, but on the other hand, the Karabakh problem, I also think most of the townsfolk are not very worried, rather if the refugees and lost loved ones.

                  This is a huge category of people.
                  And secondly, it excites others. Still, 20% and 1 million refugees are not a small topic. There is a question of national pride. And no one will give back and will fight for all the lands.
                  Quote: hrych
                  Therefore, in a prosperous country, it’s very difficult to recruit extremists for any purpose.

                  This is the place to be, but ideology is paramount. There are many examples when wealthy people with families go to jihad.
                  Quote: hrych
                  now up to your ruler, then I think he understands what is happening with the Turkish elite and regards the absence of a common border as a blessing.

                  He is not my ruler, I did not vote for him and am a citizen of the Russian Federation, though I did not vote for Putin either.
                  He doesn’t understand anything, just as Putin did. They would understand they would succeed with oil prices of $ 150, and would not launder them or use them with minimal effect, although it could be more efficiently disposed of.

                  Quote: hrych
                  But Iran is actually pragmatic, but there are enough worries in the East and Arabia. Here, Azerbaijan needs to be Caucasian Switzerland, and because of the problem solved only by a big war and blood, it’s not worth the risk with an uncertain outcome.

                  Azerbaijan will not do anything until there is a guarantee on the part of Russia that it is neutral. And this is not Aliyev. Everyone in Azerbaijan saw the Russian Armed Forces in Ossetia, Ukraine and Syria. Only if there is an external provocation.
                  Quote: hrych
                  Yes, and trying to return a piece of land unsuitable for life with the threat of losing all statehood, at least not advisable.

                  Well, you’re not a good idea of ​​Nagorno-Karabakh and the 7 districts occupied around it. Very suitable places for living. The truth will have to be invested in infrastructure.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 8 January 2016 22: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Well, you poorly imagine Nagorno-Karabakh and 7 regions occupied around it.

                    I really don’t know about the rest of the districts, but then he and Nagorny, that there are a lot of mountains and a problematic region to live in, plus there were no big cities ... like.
              2. Seal
                Seal 10 January 2016 16: 05
                0
                .USA and EU are brothers of Armenians.
                Well, the brothers are not brothers, but the second most powerful lobby (after the Jewish one) in the USA is Armenian. And the emigration of Armenians to the United States is several times greater than the emigration of Georgians and Azerbaijanis combined.
    6. sherp2015
      sherp2015 8 January 2016 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      in our Volga region and in the North Caucasus it is necessary to brush up - there Turkish "businessmen and cultural figures" are also active


      Not just being active. More or less successful businessmen are secret agents and are actively working for MIT, Western intelligence and, interestingly, many on the Mossad.
      But what is surprising is that hundreds of thousands of modern machines and equipment at that time were exported to Turkey with the help of our privatizers and officials during the period of active privatization, and from there they sent us products of light industry, tool manufacturing, machine-tool construction and automotive industry
    7. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 21: 13
      +2
      "The world is trying to deceive with disinformation"

      President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Russia is striking at the Turkmen in Syria, and not at Daesh militants.
      "Unfortunately, they are trying to deceive the world with serious misinformation," Erdogan said. Answering journalists' questions in Istanbul, the president said that the Moscow leadership is targeting moderate opposition figures in Syria, instead of fighting ISIS.
      "The most important thing is that they are striking our Turkmen brothers. Yesterday I received representatives of the Turkmen in Bayirbujak. They all say that their villages are under intense shelling."
      "Russia claims that it is conducting operations in Syria at the request of the Syrian government. But the current government of Syria is illegitimate. You do not have to go wherever you are called. Why did Russia invade Georgia at one time? Were you invited there too? What business do you have? Have you been to Georgia? Why did you invade Ukraine, because you were invited there? ", - said the President, speaking of Russia's foreign policy.
      1. hrych
        hrych 8 January 2016 21: 24
        +3
        Of course, you can understand the guy, dreamed about the revival of the Ottoman Empire, and then Russia, from nowhere, wanted to clean up the Caucasus, and there the Russians got ahead, wanted to annex Crimea, and there they are again. Already south, I rushed to the opposite side, and there again these faces. They screwed up on all sides, okay, the sea helps out, and then in Cyprus the base is being prepared to create the bloody crusaders ...
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 8 January 2016 22: 06
          +1
          When I wanted the Crimea and the Caucasus will join, what kind of nonsense
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 January 2016 22: 35
            +1
            If we are talking about the Ottoman Empire, then its former lands and protectorates: Crimea, the Caucasus, the Balkans, Iraq and the Levant. If the Balkans (except Serbia) are under the EU, then the rest of the direction was blocked by the Russian Federation. The same nonsense, as the words of Erdogan, they say you did not call. South Ossetia called us for help, we were called Russian Crimea, we were called Syrians and we came. And here, on the site, pity for the Turkomans for obvious reasons cannot be called forth; rather, most will say that these villages should be erased to zero.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 8 January 2016 22: 51
              -1
              Quote: hrych
              . Ossetia called for help

              But not Georgia!


              Quote: hrych
              we were called Russian Crimea

              But not Ukraine!


              Quote: hrych
              we were called Syrians

              Not the weight of the people of Syria, only Alawiti
              1. hrych
                hrych 8 January 2016 23: 29
                +2
                Those. if the Ossetian separatists are killed by the legitimate government of the Georgians, then this is possible, but the fact that the Syrians (legal government) are killing Turkoman (separatists) is not possible. Let's just say that the main thing is our interests, and there is no justice in politics and never will be. Also, no one has canceled the right of the strong. If the Turkoman took up arms against their ruler, not only dared to shoot our pilots, then they should be ready to answer that they are now reaping.
    8. solkhat
      solkhat 10 January 2016 20: 16
      0
      I agree 100%. I know the Turks in the Crimea. Always pitted Tatars and Russians. Provocateurs. It may be better to break such close ties with scoundrels.
  2. Kazanec
    Kazanec 8 January 2016 08: 51
    16
    It's time to isolate her. And then something completely unbelted Ankara. Or change the manual. That's where the Arab spring to the place would be.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 8 January 2016 09: 02
      +7
      As a result of the so-called "Arab Spring" radicals came to power, and this is even worse than the current regime. Perhaps the Turkish army did not tolerate this, although not a fact. And the Turkish authorities, by their actions, shot themselves in both legs. Spring will come, calendar and not "Arab" then let's see how Erdogan sings - it looks like the regime will be radicalized ..
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 8 January 2016 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: Kazanets
      It's time to isolate her. And then something completely unbelted Ankara. Or change the manual. That's where the Arab spring to the place would be.

      Rather a classic Maidan, with all the delights, burning tires, demoniac crowds, the current sluggish civil war, the loss of territories, and of course "Turkish Crimea"
      moreover, the Turkish coast in Russian speaks free
    3. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 January 2016 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Kazanets
      It's time to isolate her. And then something completely unbelted Ankara. Or change the manual. That's where the Arab spring to the place would be.

      In principle, the Turks are "their" Azerbaijanis (in terms of mentality, they are almost the same).
      But Azerbaijan doesn’t want to resolve - until complete and final reconciliation - the conflict, say, with Armenia! ... and indirectly - in connection with this sluggishly and forever ... - the current conflict - tension in certain aspects of relations with Russia !
      ... well, oh-oh-oh-chchen looks like "centuries-old friendship" between Turkey and Russia! ...
      1. Seal
        Seal 10 January 2016 16: 09
        +1
        .and indirectly - in connection with this sluggish and eternal ...- current conflict - tension in certain moments of relations with Russia!

        Well yes. It would be high time for us to be equidistant from this "conflict". If Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to reconcile, let them reconcile. But without us. If Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to fight each other - let them fight. But without us.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 11 January 2016 00: 20
          0
          Quote: Seal
          It would be high time for us to distance ourselves equally from this "conflict". If Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to reconcile, let them reconcile. But without us. If Armenians and Azerbaijanis want to fight each other - let them fight. But without us.

          Gold words.
  3. venaya
    venaya 8 January 2016 08: 54
    12
    "Eurasian Economic Union refused to sign an agreement on a free trade zone with Turkeypreferring negotiations with Iran ”

    Well, at least some nice message finally appears recently.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 8 January 2016 09: 14
      23
      Quote: venaya
      Well, at least some nice message appears recently.

      And you read the anthem of Turkey and everything will fall into place: "Do not be afraid of howling - the monster of Europe is fierce, But it will not strangle the will of the chimera's howl. And his rotten last tooth is dull, And there is a shield in his chest - true faith. Brothers, the monster is not allowed to threshold, And with our bosom we will repel the pressure of dishonor. " Those. for the Turks, Europe is a "monster and a chimera", and its power is imaginary - "stupid rotten last tooth". So Ankara has been marking time in vain on the brink of Brussels since the sixties of the last century. Who needs such a "partner"?
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 8 January 2016 10: 46
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        anthem of Turkey

        Very interesting, but somehow monotonous ... what foreign hymns do not take, only one main thing, "we will reflect", "we will resist" "we will defend", every time I remember the wisdom of my school time "Why are the little ones always shitty? too close to hop. " That Poland, England and others only think about one thing: there are enemies and monsters all around, and we are pure and noble. The smaller the mongrel, the louder it barks! That Poland from Paris to the Urals, England from the North Pole to the South.
        Quote: Tersky
        And stupid his rotten last tooth

        But here it is difficult to object, I think ... Islam will become a dentist for a rotten geyropa.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 8 January 2016 11: 11
          +8
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          The smaller the mongrel barks louder!

          V. Krylov - "The Elephant and the Pug", relevant to this day
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          But here it is difficult to object, I think ... Islam will become a dentist for a rotten geyropa.

          Well, they are tolerant until I can, otherwise they do not know that "tolerance" is a medical term for the inability of the body to resist a foreign body. Well, complete tolerance is death.
        2. vlad-58
          vlad-58 8 January 2016 12: 01
          +2
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          That Poland from Paris to the Urals, That England from the North Pole to the South.

          ... you can - from Paris even to Kamchatka! ... a couple of meters underground ...
          and from the North Pole to the South ... under water (at the bottom level, say) ...
      2. vlad-58
        vlad-58 8 January 2016 11: 49
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        And you read the anthem of Turkey and everything will fall into place: "Do not be afraid of howling - the monster of Europe is fierce, But it will not strangle the will of the chimera's howl. And his rotten last tooth is dull, And there is a shield in his chest - true faith. Brothers, the monster is not allowed to threshold, And with our bosom we will repel the pressure of dishonor. " Those. for the Turks, Europe is a "monster and a chimera", and its power is imaginary - "stupid rotten last tooth". So Ankara has been marking time in vain on the brink of Brussels since the sixties of the last century. Who needs such a "partner"?

        ... to add to the hymn (rhyme in Turkish ...): like something: "be strong, Muslim brothers ... unite! ..." with Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar ... on the sly - with Great Britain , USA, who else is there with? ... they won't give money, but they will help with weapons ...
        So - with the "isolation of Turkey" is not so simple! "Investments" of paper bucks in the economies of Russia's enemies are immeasurable - the US has even overdone it! And after all, it seems, they understand that the uncontrollably printed dollars are destroying the world, which - for now! - the bees own completely ... but they cannot stop! even just now Nabiullina was awarded "for effective management" in the destruction of the Russian economy ...
        ... Millstones of mills of history are grinding slowly, slowly ... Let's see what it intends ...
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 8 January 2016 20: 21
          0
          Quote: vlad-58
          even just now Nabiullina was awarded "for effective management" in the destruction of the Russian economy ...

          And this reptile, Zubkov’s protege, couldn’t even be allowed close to financial institutions! Putin, apparently, love her!
      3. nrex
        nrex 8 January 2016 14: 58
        +2
        Bravo! The anthem is the definition of the true essence and purpose of any country, this is the motto of its political will .. After that, there is no need for any words. Everything becomes clear.
      4. cap
        cap 8 January 2016 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        "So Ankara has been marking time in vain on the brink of Brussels since the sixties of the last century. Who needs such a" partner. "

        It seems that the States are pouring Turkey into an independent voyage with a quiet glanders. They kindled a fire and are not going to extinguish. The Turks just ate another US cookie called "Caliphate Delight", otherwise how to understand these articles. And not just anywhere but in a fairly solid newspaper.
        NYT: Erdogan again crossed the line and became an unreliable partner
        The worst fears of Ankara’s Western partners were confirmed after the victory of his Justice and Development Party in parliamentary elections, The New York Times writes.
        "Since coming to power more than a decade ago, he has used his ministerial and then presidential powers to suppress the media, trade unions and other opponents," the newspaper said.
        The worst fears about the Turkish president's behavior were confirmed after the victory of his Justice and Development Party (AKP) in the most important parliamentary elections in November, the newspaper adds. Even before the vote, Erdogan resumed his war against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), trying to raise his rating before the vote, and then "took over" the Democratic Party of Peoples, which was able to defend the rights of national minorities, in particular Kurds, in parliament.
        "Turkey's allies, America and Europe, in shameful inaction, watched the brutality of the Turkish army, which carried out airstrikes against Kurdish targets in the southeast of the country," the article says. Bombs have fallen on dozens of residential areas and the military campaign has killed 2015 Kurdish rebels and an undetermined number of civilians since the beginning of 3100.
        Is an alliance between Russia and the Kurds against Turkey possible? ”Erdogan could end the war and begin the process of integrating Kurds into Turkish politics, but instead he is moving in the opposite direction, causing more and more people to take a radical path, believing that violence is this is the only way to achieve more autonomy, "the newspaper writes.
        In addition, the Turkish president does not attach due importance to the fight against ISIS, the stakes in which are very high, thus fueling tension in the region, The New York Times notes.
        "Mr. Erdogan is extremely far from the times when he could be considered the respected leader of the Muslim majority democracy and a reliable partner in the region.", - the edition concludes.
        http://29y.ru/main/25735-nyt-erdogan-snova-pereshel-chertu-i-stal-nenadezhnym-pa

        rtnerom.html
        It doesn't smell like support. Directly and without fancy. And not a word that a NATO member, a partner in the idea of ​​security in Europe. "You cannot consider him a respected leader" and you decide for yourself. "They say our house is on the edge, I know nothing." Quite American. hi
  4. mik6403
    mik6403 8 January 2016 08: 55
    +6
    Not so simple, unfortunately, in Central Asia with the influence of Turkey ....
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 8 January 2016 09: 07
      +7
      But is it possible to somehow expand your comment? Some facts to bring.
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 8 January 2016 14: 24
        0
        half of educational institutions in the Kyrgyz Republic, for example, Turkish and Turkish
    2. parafoiler
      parafoiler 8 January 2016 11: 39
      +2
      This comment inspired me with something familiar: "I am a Crimean woman, the daughter of a naval officer. Everything here is not so simple here ...". Doesn't it look like anything ?!
  5. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 8 January 2016 08: 55
    +4
    Will there still be, comrades of the Turks. Give time, and even the Azerbaijanis, led by Aliyev, will start to shy away from you.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 8 January 2016 09: 14
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      even Azerbaijanis, led by Aliyev, will begin to shy away from you.

      In fact, Azerbaijan throughout its history gravitated to Persia, and in ancient times was Lesser Media.
      1. meriem1
        meriem1 8 January 2016 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        even Azerbaijanis, led by Aliyev, will begin to shy away from you.

        In fact, Azerbaijan throughout its history gravitated to Persia, and in ancient times was Lesser Media.


        Still, they would not gravitate to Iran !!! There 60% of the population are natural Azerbaijanis !!!
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 8 January 2016 14: 23
          0
          One article was read and the mood immediately changed. A country like Az-en will NEVER turn its back on Turkey. You can write a lot of reasons, but always look at the map of the geographical location of Az-na. To whom is Az-an selling oil? Who is going to gas? countries such as Israel, Italy, Germany in the EU zone and not only depend on Turkey. All energy pipes of the future, the railway, all the projects of our time for Az-nah were carried out through Turkey. Why? Is there really a second way? And now let's see what opinion about Iran, the first word that Az-Nets says there is millions of ours and their rights are violated. So almost every Az-Nets thinks he considers himself a Turk. Second Nardaran most recently a lot of articles about how the shootout happened, AR media or the investigations already said ahead that this was the work of the Iranian special services and were not mistaken. Well, about the Medes they bent in those days there was no such nation as the Az-ts, and the Turks in the Caucasus did not make up the majority, as the Oghuz did not migrate then, etc. az nets considers himself a purge ovnym Turk then most of the Persians, he can not stand is a paradox of course purebred Turks in al-not small, but still consider themselves to be by them .Although few checked their attitude genetic affinity to a particular group haplo
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 8 January 2016 14: 36
            0
            Quote: Lek3338
            what about the Medes they bent at all in those days there was no such nation as az-tsu,

            The mussel was part of ancient Persia, or rather the western regions of ancient Persia.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 January 2016 15: 22
            -1
            Quote: Lek3338
            If an Az-Nets considers himself to be a purebred Turk, then most likely the Persians he cannot stand this paradox of course, purebred Turks in Az are not few, but everyone considers themselves to be just them.

            Yes, he can’t stand it. But purebreds are by no means small, but not the majority. But the exact same situation in Turkey and there are more likely purebreds even less. But this is secondary. Turkism is the main pillar in consciousness and traditions. Nobody canceled the moment of assimilation.
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 8 January 2016 16: 50
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              Turkism is the main pillar in consciousness and traditions. Nobody has canceled the moment of assimilation.

              For Azerbaijan, all this can come sideways.
              Do not forget that the branches of Islam are different.
              And the Turks massacre - two fingers on the asphalt, the more such a reason lying on the surface ...
              Of course, Azerbaijan has wise rulers - they have long considered for whom it is more profitable to lie down.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 8 January 2016 20: 20
                0
                Quote: Wheel
                For Azerbaijan, all this can come sideways.

                What to go sideways? The fact that Azerbaijanis are Turks (Turks)?
                Quote: Wheel
                Do not forget that the branches of Islam are different.

                And one must not forget that in the Caucasus it is not the Arabs who live, scrawled by religion. In the Caucasus, Islam has always been attached to nationalism.
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel 8 January 2016 21: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  What to go sideways? The fact that Azerbaijanis are Turks (Turks)?

                  Yes, even if you are three times Turks, this will not change anything.
                  Bet on Turkey is a failure for you initially.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  And one must not forget that in the Caucasus it is not the Arabs who live, scrawled by religion. In the Caucasus, Islam has always been attached to nationalism.

                  Here I am about the same.
                  Do not forget that once the Turks are happy to cut three times the Turks on religious grounds. How unfortunate it is.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 8 January 2016 22: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Wheel
                    Yes, even if you are three times Turks, this will not change anything.
                    Bet on Turkey is a failure for you initially.

                    Okay, I will not argue with you how a brother can not bet on his brother.
                    Let's consider it pragmatically. There is a Karabakh problem. The ally of the Armenians is Russia, the US and EU brothers.
                    Azerbaijan, what to bet on Armenian allies ????
                    Quote: Wheel
                    Here I am about the same.
                    Do not forget that once the Turks are happy to cut three times the Turks on religious grounds. How unfortunate

                    No matter how you talk about it either. I’m telling you on this basis no one will cut anyone off. The Turks are initially more nationalistic contingent than religious ones like Arabs.
                    And the periods when the Anatolian Turks and the Caucasian slaughtered each other were more for the influence of 2 Turkic rulers for influence over the population and territories under the auspices of religion.
                    1. Seal
                      Seal 10 January 2016 16: 14
                      +1
                      For example, when Ethiopia and Somalia fought among themselves, both of them considered the USSR their ally.
                      Why cannot it now be that Russia will equally ally with Armenia with Azerbaijan?
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 8 January 2016 14: 29
          0
          Quote: meriem1
          Still, they would not gravitate to Iran !!! There 60% of the population are natural Azerbaijanis !!!

          So are the Shiites too. In 1513, the Sultan Selim Yavuz staged a Shiite massacre in Anatolia after he defeated the Shah Ismail in 1514. So there has been no peace between Turks and Persians since then and to this day?
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 8 January 2016 18: 30
          0
          Quote: meriem1
          There 60% of the population are natural Azerbaijanis !!!


          Whistling is not necessary ... 30% maximum!
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 8 January 2016 14: 37
        +1
        In ancient times, the Az-ts whose ancestors were Talysh or they themselves were Talysh were more likely to belong to Media. Az-an is a multinational country for the concept of Az-na, it is worth reading http://www.echo.az/article.php?aid=81332 But it is not the Turks who rule in Az, and the praise of the Turks is why there are simply more of them. tsa anti-Turkish mood is from the category well, directly very optimistic. At one time, Aliyev said two of the most important words during his reign. When Nakhichevan was in the blockade, he said at the opening of the Umud bridge if I am not mistaken "One people, two countries" he said this about the Turks .But then he said "I am proud that I am an Azerbaijani" in front of the cadets, I will note not the Turks, nothing else, namely az-net. But the media picked up the first statement and now very few people say I az-netz love the word Azeri.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 8 January 2016 16: 05
          +1
          Quote: Lek3338
          Az-en multinational country

          Here, I completely agree with you, as well as agree that Azerbaijan should choose which direction they choose.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 January 2016 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Give time, and even the Azerbaijanis, led by Aliyev, will start to shy away from you.

      But you don’t know Azerbaijanis at all.

      Here are recent polls in Azerbaijan.


      Atlas told haqqin.az when answering the center’s first question: “Which states do you consider to be an ally of Azerbaijan?”, The majority of respondents named five countries: Turkey, Pakistan, Georgia, USA and Saudi Arabia.

      To the question: “Which country will support Azerbaijan in the event of hostilities to liberate the occupied territories?” Answers were given: Turkey (82%)followed by Pakistan (10%) and Saudi Arabia (8%).

      The third question of the survey was: “Do you expect positive changes in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in 2016?” This year 86% of respondents do not expect positive results from negotiations to resolve the conflict. Only 14% gave an affirmative answer.

      The continuation of this topic was the question: “Can hostilities begin in 2016?”, To which the respondents answered as follows: “War is possible - 56%”; “The war is unreal - 23%,” 21 percent found it difficult to answer.

      To the last question: "In what direction should Azerbaijan integrate: NATO, the EU or the Eurasian Union? ” respondents answered as follows: NATO and the EU - 72%, The Eurasian Union - 16%, found it difficult to answer - 12%.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 8 January 2016 17: 39
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        But you don’t know Azerbaijanis at all.

        Here are recent polls in Azerbaijan.
        .
        To the last question: “In which direction should Azerbaijan integrate: NATO, the EU or the Eurasian Union?” respondents answered as follows: NATO and the EU - 72%, the Eurasian Union - 16%, and it was difficult to answer - 12%.
        Azeibardzhan-Tse Europe! wassat laughing
        Flag in hand!
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 January 2016 20: 21
          +1
          Quote: Wheel
          Azeibardzhan-Tse Europe!
          Flag in hand!

          Only the economic moment is considered there.
          The EU and the USA in Azerbaijan see everything as the enemies of Azerbaijan and the brothers of Armenians. Well, and a certain part are enemies of Islam. But all groups are at an economic moment.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 8 January 2016 21: 22
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            But all groups are beyond the economic moment.

            Quote: Yeraz
            respondents responded as follows: НАТО and the EU - 72%

            Yeah, a clean economy, no politics.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2016 22: 26
              -3
              Quote: Wheel
              Yeah, a clean economy, no politics.

              but forgot about NATO.
              NATO right now has greatly enhanced its status.
              After all, in fact, the world saw what. A NATO member shot down a military plane of the Russian Federation and she has NOTHING for that.
              For most, this means that Russia was afraid to go against NATO, therefore NATO's wing is the right place.
              This moment dealt a strong blow to the authority of the Russian Federation that has been earned over the years. A geopolitical powerful strike is the main goal of this operation to bring down an aircraft of the Russian Federation. Here I see the guilt of the intelligence that overslept this prepared plan to bring down the aircraft.
              1. hrych
                hrych 8 January 2016 23: 06
                +2
                Colleague, the episode is not over, until we see that there is a blow to the economy, the losses will be incommensurably more expensive than the old drying, and the Kurds will receive the appropriate funds and the tanks with planes will start to fall in dozens. VVP revenge always serves as a cold dish. Prestige is prestige, but they found a reason to drag the s-400 to Syria, strengthen the grouping, an excuse to beat the Turkoman troops with impunity and the opportunity to cut the Turkish-Syrian border, which is like death for daish. Those. we won from this action, before that we stood on ceremony and nothing could be done because of "friendship". The status of NATO, of course, did not increase; moreover, after this action, NATO members brought out the "Patriots", hinting to us that they are not against the bombing of Turkey. Rather, not a geopolitical strike, but a geopolitical bunch, and intelligence has warned about this unequivocally, since the press wrote about this in a month. I think they even made this sacrifice on purpose in order to quarrel with Turkey in favor of Iran ...
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 8 January 2016 23: 13
                  0
                  Quote: hrych
                  Prestige - prestige, but found a reason to drag in Syria s-400


                  Or maybe all the same, Russia specifically provoked Turkey to the downed aircraft?
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 8 January 2016 23: 39
                    +1
                    They just lost their nerves when they raised a question, and then they banged on oil tankers. It’s bad when the president of a fairly large country is neurotic. A little time and endurance was not enough until the creation of an industrial state in Turkey and entry into the nuclear club (I'm talking about nuclear power plants). Now it will be impossible. Here Yasser Arafat, in his youth, partisan, blew blood (of his own) and didn’t get a damn, got old, healed his nerves and the world practically achieved Palestinian independence. This is the syndrome of the frog princess, when you need to wait a bit, and so he did the business and ruined everything ...
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 23: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: hrych
                      Turkey's industrial state and entry into the nuclear club (I'm talking about nuclear power plants).

                      Turkey and so industrial looking at Russia!
                      And nobody stopped the construction of the NPP! Besides the Russians, the Japanese are also building there, for your information
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 9 January 2016 00: 17
                        0
                        Well, the Japanese, yes. The problem is not who builds, theoretically Turkey itself can build, the question is who can make TVELs. The EU abandoned this topic, and the Japanese were made by the United States, which has so much fuel problems that they even disassemble nuclear charges at such a crucial moment. In fact, there is no alternative to Rosatom, from here Iran, Egypt and Turkey turned to it, plus the question of time and money, Rosatom wanted to build for its own, and when exploiting it, it would have to look for fools in half. Plus, several years need to be built, several years to produce plutonium and years in 10-15, you can make a couple of charges. And now it is being postponed, and the thermo-nuclear attack on Ankara will of course be earlier, in fact, already ...
                2. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 8 January 2016 23: 25
                  0
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Colleague, the episode is not over until we see that there is a blow to the economy,

                  So far, Russia is taking away business from people and companies!

                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  and the Kurds will receive the appropriate funds and tanks with aircraft will begin to fall in dozens


                  Will the accomplices of the terrorists?

                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  The status of NATO, of course, did not increase; moreover, after this action, NATO members brought out the "Patriots", hinting to us that they are not against the bombing of Turkey.

                  Turkey is not Georgia and Ukraine is not flattering yourself!
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 8 January 2016 23: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Turkey is not Georgia and Ukraine is not flattering yourself!

                    But what can she do against a nuclear, space power, only to get radiation sickness? Kurds, are they worse than Turkoman? They have experience and an army of many thousands, they lack modern weapons, it is clear that we will give them.
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 23: 59
                      +1
                      [quote = grunt] And that she can against a nuclear, space power [/ quote]

                      I don’t even want to answer! It becomes funny!

                      Worse than Turkman worse, I know by hearsay!

                      They have experience and an army of many thousands, they do not have enough modern weapons, it is clear that we will give them. [/ Quote]


                      What kind of army can terrorists have? They are terrorists!

                      In response, the Turks can rattle the Crimea and the Caucasus!

                      Although, I do not think it will come to this!
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 9 January 2016 00: 20
                        0
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        It's getting ridiculous!

                        Then it's time to cry.
                      2. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 9 January 2016 00: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Then it's time to cry.

                        Scare children at night
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                      4. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 9 January 2016 00: 50
                        0
                        It has not disappeared from Iraq, as it was there, it is worth it. Conversations have been going on over the base in Qatar for several years.
                        Russia not only squeezes the Turks in Russia, but specifically deals with racketeering, banditry!
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 9 January 2016 00: 58
                        +1
                        Apparently for you this is a sore subject, it is better then I will be silent.
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 January 2016 23: 47
          -2
          Quote: hrych
          Colleague, the episode is not over until we see that there is a blow to the economy,

          There are no special blows there. Russia exaggerates Russia's influence on the Turkish economy.

          Quote: hrych
          Prestige - prestige, but found a reason to drag the Sy-400 into Syria, strengthen the group,

          Well, the S-400, and before that there was just in case a fire, they couldn’t start it so quickly, it was simply deployed.
          Quote: hrych
          The status of NATO, of course, did not increase; moreover, after this action, NATO members brought out the "Patriots", hinting to us that they are not against the bombing of Turkey.

          Before reading the plane, my colleague read about plans to withdraw the Patriots, but NATO planes, represented by Germany, arrived in Turkey. Samoelts of the reconnaissance plan.
          Quote: hrych
          I think even specifically made this sacrifice in order to quarrel with Turkey in favor of Iran ...

          Nuss politically there was nothing strong. Russia or Turkey were not tied to each other on any issue. Karabakh has diametrical opinions, Syria is the same, Egypt too, Crimea played in silence.
          I think it’s just overslept. And in general, pulling into Syria is a complete mistake of Russia. It is the hatred of the Muslim world. And the Muslim world consists of 80% of the Sunnis. The situation for most Muslims looks like Russia stood up for Alevi (Shiite) against the Sunnis and kills the Sunnis.
          I say in advance Shiite. But part of the Ummah and I see the mood in the Islamic society perfectly.
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 January 2016 00: 06
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            Self-reconnaissance plan.

            They arrived when they realized that Russia had delayed a retaliation strike, by the way, these planes began to decently beat daish because they did not want to give the Russians a victory.
            Quote: Yeraz
            pulling in Syria is a complete mistake of Russia. This is the hatred of the Muslim world.

            Yes, they have already said a thousand times that two gas pipelines and an oil pipeline from the Persian Gulf will not reach the Mediterranean coast. There is no alternative to Syria and this coast is under our control. The same encirclement of Turkey, now from Armenia, Crimea and Syria, with the S-400 (new missile) complexes, shoots the entire territory. Also, the entire terrorist rabble, including immigrants from the USSR, is successfully reset there. Why do they need us in the Caucasus and Middle Asia. The hatred of the Sunnis makes us neither hot nor cold. They hate everyone and both America, and the Indians, and the Chinese, and the EU, and Australia, and this is 90% of the population with us and that.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 9 January 2016 01: 06
              0
              Quote: hrych
              Yes, they have already said a thousand times that two gas pipelines and an oil pipeline from the Persian Gulf will not reach the Mediterranean coast.

              Turkey is quietly in the oil of Northern Kurdistan and soon it will receive gas. And Baghdad cannot do anything here.
              As for the pipes from the Gulf. So the prices have collapsed and there are not a few who want to sell to Europe. Yes, and Iran will drive its gas and oil through Turkey.
              Quote: hrych
              Also, the entire terrorist rabble, including immigrants from the USSR, is successfully reset there.

              This is a plus for everyone. But active fighters die. And people who walk without a beard, but control many economic points in the CIS countries, still remain.
              Quote: hrych
              They hate everyone and both America, and the Indians, and the Chinese, and the EU, and Australia, and this is 90% of the population with us and that.

              Well, DAISH is a small spot, and there’s so much attention to them. Therefore, Muslims can create a lot of problems. Since there is always an ideological and motivated minority, it can create a lot of problems for the passive majority.
              You shouldn’t belittle. In Afghanistan, this turned out to be a mistake. Everything is moving in exactly the same direction.
              1. hrych
                hrych 9 January 2016 14: 41
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                Iran will drive its gas and oil through Turkey.

                Firstly, Turkish industry is located in the west, and on the border with Iran, the RCP is operating plus mountains. Iran itself, having huge gas deposits in the bay, buys gas from the Turkmen for its northern regions, because it is unprofitable to pull a pipe through the mountains. Yes, plus the Russian Federation has already taken up the fight against competitors, in Syria it blocked Turkish-Qatari attempts, and if it hits both Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, give an excuse. Who smarter learns from the mistakes of others, such as Georgia and Ukraine. A lot of people got into trouble with promising pipes, at first the Bulgarians, now the Turks and what they have achieved, well, the Ukrainians with the READY Pipelines, and the fact that there will be Nord Stream - 2, again directly to industrial consumers.
                Quote: Yeraz
                Therefore, Muslims can create many problems. Since there is always an ideological and motivated minority, many problems can create a passive majority.

                There is no passive majority, there is a passive ruler, now decisive, but even more decisive, rather aggressive, will come for him. The bulk of our citizens crave decisive action from the ruler, which support surveys show. And daishovskie psychopaths only their tantrums, like Erdogan only spoil everything. The world behind the scenes has long decided the fate of Islam as a religion, read Pike’s letter to Mazzini. This will support the West, India with China, etc.
          2. Seal
            Seal 10 January 2016 16: 27
            +1
            .And generally pulling in Syria is a complete mistake of Russia

            Nonsense. The whole world, including the Muslim one, saw Russia finally ceased to betray friends. And they began to respect us. Just for that. But the Sunni world is far from a monolith. Well, the Moroccan Sunnis are not very friendly with the Moorish Sunnis. And even fight with the Sunnis West Sahara. Algerian Sunnis - not friends with the same Sunnis from Morocco. In Egypt, there are no Shiites at all. But there is a fight. In the same Syria, how many Sunni groups are fighting each other.
      2. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 8 January 2016 23: 38
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        After all, in fact, the world saw what. A NATO member shot down a military plane of the Russian Federation and she has NOTHING for that.


        Revenge is a cold dish. Ukrainian air defense workers in the war 08.08.08 shot down several of our aircraft. And already lost the Crimea and the Donbass. Least.
  • Seal
    Seal 10 January 2016 16: 19
    0
    So far, we still support Armenia - it is strange to count on other results. But if we announce that for us (Russia) both Armenia and Azerbaijan are equally close (far) and we will no longer intervene in your conflict - then after that there will be clearly different results of the survey. Is not it ?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 11 January 2016 00: 19
      0
      Quote: Seal
      But if we announce that for us (Russia) both Armenia and Azerbaijan are equally close (far) and we will no longer intervene in your conflict - then after that there will be clearly different results of the survey. Is not it ?

      Russia is verbally declaring this, but in fact is different.
      But if in fact it starts to act like that, then the mood and aspirations of many will change.
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 8 January 2016 09: 04
    0
    RIA Novosti reports an article by Al-Monitor Zulfikar Dogan.

    As if there’s nothing to discuss ... Half of ErDogan))))
    “Due to falling oil prices and the resumption of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Azerbaijan does not seem to be the most reliable partner. Turkey is also worried about Russia's new weapons in the Caspian Sea, ”said Dogan.

    According to him, “because of the military agreement signed by Russia and Armenia in December, the normalization of Russian-Georgian relations and the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Turkey is losing access to the Caucasus.”

    Two conflicting paragraphs, a set of nonsense. hi
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 8 January 2016 09: 18
      +5
      Yes you are right. The only note. America, under whose leadership such plays are played, year after year entering the world stage, is trying to play Snow White in the production of its old director. Every year the game is more predictable and mediocre. Partly from a bad script, and, for the most part, from the fact that the prima donna with a face distorted from greed and anger, saggy skin and a creaky voice does not resemble a young fairy-tale person ...
      hi
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 8 January 2016 09: 22
        +2
        Quote: yuriy55
        America, year after year

        America is also not so omnipotent and demonic as our propaganda presents it - it’s convenient to blame mistakes on demons))) Some of the processes occur contrary to the will and desire of the states and they have to puff their cheeks in captivity ..
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 8 January 2016 09: 08
    +4
    What do you think? And for the words, and for the deeds will have to answer. Especially for x ... bad ones. Politics is a delicate, tricky business, so that you should not think at a loss to think about it, think very well. So what you have sown, then start collecting, all yours.
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 8 January 2016 09: 10
    +1
    The problems of an unreliable and selfish partner are predictable, but there is no need to deceive themselves - the master will support his vassal.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 9 January 2016 11: 29
      +1
      Sorry, the 21st century is in the courtyard, and the United States is not a seigneur, and Erdogan may be a vassal, but the situation can be interpreted as a very large percentage. They can count in different ways. For the sake of current interests, the United States will cut off its head. Saddam was friends. And Assad was quite a handshake.
      Erdogan is of course a victim of a little greed (money), a little ambition (empire), a little permissiveness (he fired at the Syrians, there they shot down a plane, Kurds climbed into Iraq to cut it, an old song about Greece and Cyprus). And then the plane, but two fingers ... and pinched.
      We say: like a thief going to the fair. The thief not only ties the laces with a bow for a long time, he ohhhh and thinks. For such cases, guarantees are needed: "a piece of paper, so that all pieces of paper a piece of paper."
      And then, well, they blinked, well, they whispered, and now it’s time to grip it.
  • GRAY
    GRAY 8 January 2016 09: 11
    +5
    Erdogan thought that the countries of Central Asia, seeing how bravely he was coming to Russia, immediately recognized him as the strongest supreme godfather in the region and immediately became part of the Ottoman Empire.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 January 2016 09: 12
    +4
    Redirect ISIS from Syria to Turkey ...
    In general, yes, in vain they shot down our plane,
    now even apologies and the heads of the guilty will not pay off.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 8 January 2016 09: 19
      +8
      Quote: Zomanus
      Redirect ISIS from Syria to Turkey ...

      There is nothing new under the Moon. It has long been determined that Turkey is the "rear base" of international terrorism. The Turkish factor in terrorism was already quite evident in the 1990s during the wars in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chechnya and Kosovo.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 8 January 2016 09: 15
    +1
    For that fought for it and ran !
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  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 8 January 2016 09: 24
    12
    “Turkey, which has lost its economic, political and diplomatic influence in the Middle East due to the deterioration of relations with Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Israel, is now on the verge of losing Central Asia due to the crisis in relations between Ankara and Russia after the events in Syria, "
    Good news. The fewer "partners", the fresher the air. And without traitors, then generally only for the good. In fact, it turns out that Ankara is burying itself. The fate is evident.
    1. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 8 January 2016 09: 44
      +7
      Well, let's say a poster.
      But there is an exception to the current - the USA, where the owner of the Russian Fed Nabibulin constantly transfers money to US obligations.
      Now there are many posts that Russia will have billions in contracts for the supply of weapons. But earned money will not work for Russia
      When will the Russians eventually nationalize the "national bank"?
      1. s.melioxin
        s.melioxin 8 January 2016 10: 27
        +1

        pilot bin-bom BY  Today, 09:44 ↑


        Well, let’s say the test poster .... But the money earned will not work for Russia
        When will the Russians eventually nationalize the "national bank"?
        To Obama's words that the Russian economy was torn to shreds, Putin answered that there wasn’t something to break that still needed to be built. And believe He will build it. I believe in that. In general, an article about Turkey and what ... she found herself. Good luck to you.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 8 January 2016 20: 29
        0
        Quote: Pilot bin-bom
        The owner of the Russian Federal Reserve, Nabibulin, constantly transfers money to US obligations.

        It’s time to nationalize the Central Bank and break off relations with the US Federal Reserve. And drive this Nabibulin to a filthy broom and hurry up!
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 8 January 2016 21: 17
          -1
          With the first part It's time to nationalize the Central Bank and break off relations with the US Federal Reserve I agree completely, but with the second Drive Nabibulin with a filthy broom and hurry up!I do not agree. You’ll disperse everyone, who will conduct business?
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 14: 31
      0
      Disagreements between Russia and Turkey will not affect energy projects
      This was stated by Gazprom Chairman Alexei Miller

      Gazprom chairman Alexei Miller said political differences between Russia and Turkey will not affect energy projects.
      In a statement to the Russian news agency RIA Novosti, Miller noted that the parties will continue to work in accordance with the signed contracts.
      Expressing hope that a meeting of the Strategic Cooperation Council at the highest level between Turkey and Russia will take place by the end of this year, Miller noted that the Turkish Stream project will become an important point of negotiations at the "intergovernmental" and "interstate" levels.
      Gazprom Chairman stated that the project can be implemented in a very short time, because 660 kilometers of the 940-kilometer project of Turkish Stream are part of the former South Stream project.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 8 January 2016 17: 44
        +3
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Disagreements between Russia and Turkey will not affect energy projects
        This was stated by Gazprom Chairman Alexei Miller

        Rake run?
        Ali kickbacks are too tasty?

        Zadolbalo already this "national heritage" at the expense of the people.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 8 January 2016 19: 07
          -1
          Quote: Wheel
          Zadolbalo already this "national property" at the expense of the people

          At the expense of the people, Syria is being bombed, and what is silent
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 8 January 2016 20: 32
            +2
            Quote: ayyildiz

            At the expense of the people, Syria is being bombed, and what is silent

            And not to bomb in Syria - we have to bomb with us. At the expense of the people.
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 8 January 2016 21: 25
              0
              Quote: Saratoga833
              And not to bomb in Syria - we have to bomb with us. At the expense of the people.

              More truly.
              And not to bomb in Syria - we have to bomb with us. The same people at the expense of the same people.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 8 January 2016 09: 25
    +3
    Ergandon's unhealthy ambitions, no, Erdogan is bearing fruit. What else was he counting on? - "Sow the wind, - reap the storm" (sometimes in a glass).
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer 8 January 2016 09: 27
    +4
    This is actually good news. Turkey does not produce and does not supply us with anything that we ourselves cannot produce and that is vitally necessary here and now. Now Turkey is convinced that it does not have a strong position anywhere and it begins to lose where it did not even expect. The choice between Turkey and Russia for the world turned out to be obvious, and how narrow-minded and inflated one must be in order to come to such a confrontation with us. Erdogan would at least occasionally read newspapers in order to know that the fight against terrorism is in trend today. In general, lately it seems like our diplomats have been sitting in an ambush for a long time and crawled out at the right time. Successes appear, and in the Middle East and Central Asia, North Africa in the person of Algeria appeared. The only, purulent abscess in the person of Ukraine must be opened, and then calmly work around the world, trade, build, negotiate. And now the Turks have profiled their breadcards, and now let them run for friendship with us. We are waiting, sir.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 19: 04
      +1
      In Moscow, the hotel "Swissotel Krasnye Holmy" has suspended its work - since December 30, the hotel does not book or sell rooms, RBC reports on Thursday with reference to representatives of the hotel. The hotel building, which is located on the Kosmodamianskaya embankment next to the Moscow International House of Music, is owned by the Turkish company Enka, and managed by the Swiss company Swissotel.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 8 January 2016 21: 27
        0
        Quote: ayyildiz
        In Moscow, the hotel "Swissotel Krasnye Holmy" has suspended its work - since December 30, the hotel does not book or sell rooms, RBC reports on Thursday with reference to representatives of the hotel. The hotel building, which is located on the Kosmodamianskaya embankment next to the Moscow International House of Music, is owned by the Turkish company Enka, and managed by the Swiss company Swissotel.

        This probably means the end of the world and armageddon. laughing
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 8 January 2016 22: 09
          0
          Quote: Wheel
          This probably means the end of the world and armageddon.


          I wish you, too, to stay out of work then, etc. wink
  • BOB044
    BOB044 8 January 2016 09: 29
    +3
    Erdogan, this is your end. hi
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 8 January 2016 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: BOB044
      Erdogan
      I squeezed my buttocks and realized this ... the end.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 January 2016 09: 29
    +1
    Turkey loses access to the Caucasus

    And very good, because Turkey's "activities" in the Caucasus and Central Asia only bring political harm to Russia. Even more wary of Erdogan began in Europe after his example of an excellent power-building in Hitler's Germany. In short, Erdogan's ambition and self-centeredness have already played a trick on him. Will there be more?
  • Simon
    Simon 8 January 2016 09: 31
    +6
    Well, Turkey - wanted to control the Middle East, but got the opposite, will become a secondary, humiliated state. That's what Erdogan achieved! fool
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 8 January 2016 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: Simon
      will become a secondary, humiliated state. That's what Erdogan achieved!

      It remains only in years ... to understand: who got the main profit from this? This is de javu: England gives Turkey money, she buys an army and installs Stefan Batory as king of Poland, and he attacks Russia, gets hit in the face near Pskov, but Poland, having returned part of the occupied territories, is forced to repay its debts to Turkey, which unleashes military action against " weakened by the Poles of Russia, gets in the teeth, so it almost loses the Bosphorus. And only now, her suzerains England and France stand up for their vassal, who unleash the Crimean war with Russia, get it on the horns near Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky from the Russian militia, do not dare to enter the Gulf of Finland, since Yablochkov's (the same) powder mines are installed there. and Nobel (the same Nobel). All this is not for a couple of years, but interrelated events.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 8 January 2016 09: 39
    +6
    What happened in the post-Soviet space and in the Black Sea zone is a consequence of perestroika, the collapse of the USSR and the period of democratization in our country.
    If Russia was systematically heading towards bananization, then Turkey was gaining power, both economic and military. Yes, her army, even then, is less technologically advanced than the Russian one. But it's all about people. The army was motivated all this time. Erdogan traveled on the authority of the army, knocked down arrogance from the highest command staff, having carried out reforms and purges. But this does not mean that the Turkish army will gladly throw off Erdogan and with open arms will accept the occupying units.
    The motivation of the Turkish military is great. There is one minus. As experience shows, this motivation is not enough for long. Which led to victories of Russian weapons in the past. Just remember that Turkey is a member of NATO. And if now NATO is very careful in its actions in relation to the problem that has arisen, then with the outbreak of hostilities they will have to take sides. I'm afraid it will not be us. I would not want the Crimean War -2.
    It is necessary to strangle Turkey in "tender embraces". I think that sanctions are a useful thing. Not only with regards to Turkey. Governments at various levels, as well as the business community, have become very lazy. Having superimposed connections with various schemes (and kickbacks), they are not very willing to change and diversify. According to the law, you can't force, we have kapytalism, but you can't shoot - not 37 (although you can scare it ???). And then there are sanctions, bans, etc., etc. At least some, but movement.
    Regarding the influence of the Turks in the post-Soviet space, colleagues from Tatarstan will tell better, they heard that they were not very happy with the decision of the Russian leadership there.
    And the resignation of the supreme mufti of Russia, Talgat Tajuddin, is also a consequence of this influence.
    Hopefully they will be closer.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 8 January 2016 09: 43
    +4
    The Turks are likely to have problems. But the note is overly optimistic. And our country tied too much with Turkey. It's time to get rid of the bad habits of the "Turkish coast" in many forms.
  • What a
    What a 8 January 2016 09: 45
    +5
    The Turks did not take into account the factor that all Turkic peoples were in the same country of the USSR, the mentality of all is the same and very different from the Turks. Turks from a Turkic family broke away and got it. But the CU and CSTO, etc. could also have joined the alliance with Russia.
  • trofy
    trofy 8 January 2016 09: 48
    +5
    I do not understand why Erdogan is called Reggep? A long, long time ago, they would have translated and would have called them in Russian everywhere: KrasnoyZh * poy Erdogan.
    1. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner 8 January 2016 10: 39
      +2
      Quote: trofy
      Once upon a time would be translated and called everywhere in Russian


      Handsomely laughing
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 8 January 2016 09: 53
    +2
    Media: Ankara after the conflict with Moscow is increasingly losing influence in Asia
    Even this is only good news ...
  • 31rus
    31rus 8 January 2016 09: 55
    +6
    Dear, this once again shows how the Turkish and not only the authorities are in captivity of illusions, now no one wants to spoil relations with Russia for many reasons, so there is nothing surprising, Moscow "pressed" where necessary and the process went on there will be no war with Turkey, and not because Turkey is a member of NATO, everything is much more complicated both in Turkey itself and in the region as a whole, the Turks are not up to the war now, despite the fact that Russia has not included all the "levers of influence"
  • Federal
    Federal 8 January 2016 10: 00
    +3
    ... Turkey is also worried about Russia's new weapons in the Caspian Sea ...


    It is not recommended for anyone to talk to Russia on "R".
  • vobels
    vobels 8 January 2016 10: 01
    +2
    The imperial ambitions of the Turks, fueled by the support of the stellar ones, lead to a logical result. There is caution in a relationship. Finish them, that would be calmer.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 January 2016 10: 05
    +2
    Quote: mik6403
    Not so simple, unfortunately, in Central Asia with the influence of Turkey ....

    I think that our Central Asian partners are more focused on Russia. Millions of migrant workers, joint projects, and loans, weapons from Russia. Turkey got there using the warm Russia-Turkey relations. hi
  • Nymp
    Nymp 8 January 2016 10: 12
    +4
    Turkey is a country in which a change of government will not change anything. For centuries, Turkey has set Asia against Russia, cultivating a market for slaves from the Slavs. Constantly the Russian Empire stumbled upon conflict Turkey and was forced to accept the challenge to go to war. To be friends with Turkey was a bad idea. Strong Turkey is a revival of ambitions in the Crimea and the entire Caucasus, and Erdogan is not at all a panacea for this conflict. He is a faithful follower of his ancestors. I do not agree with Putin when he separates the people of Turkey from Erdogan. If the war in Iraq ended successfully, the Crimea returned under the wing of Turkey, the restoration of dominance in the Caucasus, the strengthening of Turkey and its leadership in the Islamic world, the Turks would have carried Erdogan in their arms and would like to sneeze at the oppression of Armenians as Christians, and at the fallen authority of Russia especially. This is not an ally for the Russians in the Middle East. But the Kurds, the Persians, as allies will fit.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 8 January 2016 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Nymp
      But the Kurds, the Persians, as allies will fit.

      Do you want to take a nation that does not have a state, anthem and constitution? Want to get a second Palestine with full pants of terror? The fact that they are at war with their neighbors (note, I am not writing with Turkey) because the Kurds are at war with everyone on whose territory they live. At the same time, I want to draw your gracious attention that every nation that has received statehood begins with nationalism in the most terrible form.
      1. Nymp
        Nymp 8 January 2016 15: 38
        +2
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        Do you want to take a nation that does not have a state, anthem and constitution?

        Which people did you mean, Persians or Kurds? "I want to draw your gracious attention" to the fact that the Persians live in the state of Iran! (Unexpectedly true?) And the Kurds in the same place in Iran get along quite well with the Persians, I served on the border with Iran, unlike you, "nationalism in the most terrible form" did not notice. And the last thing; to "your gracious attention" Iran has long been our ally in the coalition, together with the "nationalists" Persians and Kurds! What a surprise huh? hi
  • shinobi
    shinobi 8 January 2016 10: 19
    +1
    As soon as the crumpled friends of the United States turn away from Erdogan, he will be torn to shreds. And so all this is "distancing" attempts to guess where the winds will blow. Looking at figures like Erdogan, McCain, Clintons, you involuntarily begin to think - a good sniper, one accurate shot and the world would be much calmer.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 January 2016 10: 22
    0
    The Turks "showed up" with their position. If the Turkish leadership succeeds in consolidating society on Russophobic sentiments, the hot Turkish guys will endure for a long time, including economic hardships. I don’t believe in the war. I don't even believe in blocking the straits. And the Turkish army does not give the impression of a formidable force. It is not the number of troops that matters, but their training and motivation. As for the motivation - so far they have not received it from the tinsel - it is high, and about the training - I strongly doubt it. The education of Turkish youth is not very high. In my opinion, there are 4 classes of education - compulsory. The rest is paid.
  • pvv113
    pvv113 8 January 2016 10: 31
    +2
    All these steps "lead to the isolation of Ankara in Central Asia"

    It’s not easy for traitors to live
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 8 January 2016 10: 35
    +3
    The good relations of Russia (Putin) to Turkey (Erdogan) were perceived as Russia's weakness, unfortunately.
    Now the Turks have the opportunity to better understand Russian. True, they are unlikely to take this opportunity ...
    But Russia needs to decisively crush completely Turkish influence in some regions of the country, and greatly weaken it in Central Asia, there is a good reason.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 January 2016 10: 38
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: venaya
    Well, at least some nice message appears recently.

    And you read the anthem of Turkey and everything will fall into place: "Do not be afraid of howling - the monster of Europe is fierce, But it will not strangle the will of the chimera's howl. And his rotten last tooth is dull, And there is a shield in his chest - true faith. Brothers, the monster is not allowed to threshold, And with our bosom we will repel the pressure of dishonor. " Those. for the Turks, Europe is a "monster and a chimera", and its power is imaginary - "stupid rotten last tooth". So Ankara has been marking time in vain on the brink of Brussels since the sixties of the last century. Who needs such a "partner"?



    Whose translation, dear ??? Not really Lermontov? I tried to translate it "Lonely sail white" from Goethe's source code through Promt, so - heaven and earth. Where did you get the text? Inject.
  • Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 8 January 2016 10: 38
    +1
    The competition in the world is high. Turkey and Russia are competitors, rivals at all levels, this should not be forgotten ...
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 8 January 2016 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: Al_oriso
    Turkey is just beginning to feel all the charms of the policies pursued by its government. The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.


    And then Erdogan sounds so beautiful and hopeful: "the government of the Justice and Development Party" ...

    All evil has always been disguised as beautiful candy wrappers ...


    Yes, Adolf’s party was also called beautifully - the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP); Russian abbreviation NSDAP - but it did misfortune all over the world until the Soviet people destroyed it.
  • PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 8 January 2016 11: 45
    +1
    As V.V. Putin said, Turkey will not get off with tomatoes alone, here you have the result.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 8 January 2016 12: 12
    +5
    long ago, the Turks thoroughly and scrupulously bribed our fraternal Turkic peoples. thank god the gdp had the wisdom and firmness to prevent our Asian and Caucasian peoples from crawling to the level of Iraq, Libya, Yemen, etc.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 8 January 2016 12: 49
    0
    Quote: avg-mgn
    [I]
    Quote: Tersky
    And you read the anthem of Turkey and everything will fall into place ...

    Whose translation, dear ??? Not really Lermontov? I tried to translate it "Lonely sail white" from Goethe's source code through Promt, so - heaven and earth. Where did you get the text? Inject.

    Link
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%
    D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8
  • spy008
    spy008 8 January 2016 13: 25
    +2
    It's only the beginning !
    Erdogan is dedicated to:
  • PATHuK
    PATHuK 8 January 2016 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: Atrix
    Quote: Al_oriso
    The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.

    Isolation from which countries ??? When the countries called the sanctions against Russia, they said that this was just a small amount, that there was no question of any kind of isolation. And you say Turkey’s isolation against which only Russia was sanctioned and not one of Russia's so-called allies.


    Look at the map for a start: south and southeast, these are the countries in which there is a war; east and northeast (Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc.) - the countries are also not calm (Ossetia and Karabakh). Countries that are fighting are not up to their dates and jeans, and the markets of other countries are not comparable to Russia. Europe keeps its distance from them, if it were not necessary to spoil Russia, then in general the Turks would be sent by the "forest". Nobody wants to "be friends" with a demoniac, from whom you do not know what to expect.
    And comparing Russia with Turkey is not very correct in many respects. So what is "a small amount" for us, for the Turks can be very critical.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 8 January 2016 17: 07
    0
    Quote: Dmitry 2246
    Calmly, competently, judiciously, carefully and reasonably.
    The burden of power teaches responsibility for one’s activities.

    Excuse me, what responsibility? What's judicious? When Turkey sponsored them, both in the 19th century and in the 20th century, two Chechens (Ramzan clearly stated this), fought against Russia. Well, Turkey threw them, this is a distinctive national trait, and what to do. Yes, they feed from Russia, and very well, that's all patriotism. Just 15 years ago, everyone was irreconcilable enemies of Russia, but now suddenly friends? It's all about money, it's just that Russia has more. The same applies to Azerbaijan, "and all Caucasian friends." None of them will ever work, on occasion they will only sell their loyalty. Which is actually happening.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 8 January 2016 17: 12
    +2
    about the Azanians: the Armenians in December said that the Russian cemeteries were thrown open with a tractor, after a downed moment.
    Turkic peoples are not Turkey, they still have a conscience and memory. The Ottoman Empire will never happen again. But the Russian Empire may be reborn. Only greedy and corrupt people need to be removed from the steering wheel. They want to "waste away over gold" let them fly to Magadan , although on board number 1, let them play with a one-way ticket.
    I never wanted to go to Turkey, and now even more so.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 8 January 2016 18: 26
    +2
    It seems that the time is coming closer and closer when Russia will need to finish what we were not allowed to do in San Stefano. What kind of 15 is the mile from Tsargrad in the 1878 year.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrior
      It seems that the time is coming closer and closer when Russia will need to finish what we were not allowed to do in San Stefano. What kind of 15 is the mile from Tsargrad in the 1878 year.


      Yes, yes, together with Cyprus!
  • Chaos
    Chaos 8 January 2016 20: 40
    -1
    for our plane it was necessary to hammer missiles at the Turkish airfield.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 8 January 2016 21: 29
      0
      So they fucked not at a small airfield, but throughout Turkey without noise and dust! hi
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 8 January 2016 22: 11
        0
        С
        Quote: sharp-lad
        So they fucked not at a small airfield, but throughout Turkey without noise and dust!


        Too exaggerating. Turkey will soon decide with gas, then we’ll see how you sing
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 8 January 2016 22: 20
    0
    Quote: ayyildiz
    С
    Quote: sharp-lad
    So they fucked not at a small airfield, but throughout Turkey without noise and dust!


    Too exaggerating. Turkey will soon decide with gas, then we’ll see how you sing

    Turkey does not have gas, but Russia does. Who will sing? Not today, tomorrow all this gas will be taken by China, or someone else. Although I believe that it is impossible to squander resources. Although they are expensive.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 8 January 2016 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: Orionvit
      Not today, tomorrow all this gas will be taken away by China, and


      At what price does you want, you want to know? There would be such a profitable project, long ago you would start selling
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 8 January 2016 22: 39
    +1
    Quote: SklochPensioner
    The good relations of Russia (Putin) to Turkey (Erdogan) were perceived as Russia's weakness, unfortunately.
    Now the Turks have the opportunity to better understand Russian. True, they are unlikely to take this opportunity ...
    But Russia needs to decisively crush completely Turkish influence in some regions of the country, and greatly weaken it in Central Asia, there is a good reason.

    Unfortunately, you probably do not know the mentality of the Caucasian and Turkic peoples in general. Deception is a great skill, and it is in their blood. We once considered all fraternal peoples (I now hear calls for Armenians, etc.), and they considered us as suckers, and reckon, and feed at our expense. They will never work, they will only parasitize. They understand only power, or money. There are no other options. I heard a lot about friendship between Russians and representatives of other nations, but this is personal. When it comes to all nationality, then all Russian enemies. This is not what I came up with, this is history. They don’t understand one thing, one can deceive the Russian one, two, three, but then let them not be offended. To trade in their loyalty (that is, figuratively ... sing) is prostitution, and one must think that time is already coming to put an end to i, and to understand who is the enemy and who is friend. And when Comrade I.V. Stalin was solving the Crimean Tatars, Karachays, Chechens, he knew that.
  • Skakun36
    Skakun36 8 January 2016 23: 35
    0
    Quote: Atrix
    Quote: Al_oriso
    The isolation of Turkey is so far the lesser of evils that Ankara will soon experience.

    Isolation from which countries ??? When the countries called the sanctions against Russia, they said that this was just a small amount, that there was no question of any kind of isolation. And you say Turkey’s isolation against which only Russia was sanctioned and not one of Russia's so-called allies.
    Yes, she will not experience the country as such, ordinary people who worked with Russia will suffer again, as well as people in Russia who worked with Turkey.

    Each nation deserves its own government and must be accountable for the actions of its government.
  • Support
    Support 9 January 2016 06: 50
    0
    You look at all this western, eastern (Arabic) bedlam and you just want to plant good kilotons all over this shoble ... so that the ashes are decomposed to an atomic state ... so that all this shoble could not be reborn. As all this is already tedious. You’ll also look at the faces of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and Co - damn it, but they do not look like people. Some kind of goblins. It's time for kilotons, it's time ....
  • absolutelly
    absolutelly 9 January 2016 10: 25
    +1
    our president said that they won't get off with tomatoes. Now the Turks will feel the "charm" of the sanctions, and before everyone else - two miracles, the lada sedan Erdogan and his mustachioed puppet copy Davutaglu
  • marder4
    marder4 9 January 2016 10: 59
    +2
    these Turks the farther the bolder