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How Russian engineering has made today's operation in Syria possible (The Saker, USA)

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The pace and effectiveness of the Russian Air Force (they are now called aerospace forces, so I will call them RVKS below) impressed Western military experts. Not only is the number of sorties three times greater than what the United States and NATO countries were able to achieve, but the Russian bombardments are surprisingly accurate, despite the fact that Russian planes fly at an altitude above 5 km, beyond the reach of MANPADS. They fly even at night and in bad weather. This is even more surprising when you consider that most of the work is done by Su-24 (adopted in 1974 year) and Su-25 (adopted in 1981 year). Most of the tasks in Syria can be solved by these two remarkable, but, frankly, ancient aircraft, while the purpose of the presence of the new advanced Su-34 are its tests (and, after the Turks brought down Su-24, providing protection against air attacks). What is going on? How does Russia achieve such almost miraculous results?

This was achieved using SVP-24.

But first I have to describe the bombing process.

The simple bombs of “World War II technology” are gravitational. The planes dropped them with a simple aiming system, and they hit (more or less) on the target. It was normal for carpet bombardments, it was not ideal for aimed bombardments, but given the low speed of the aircraft and low altitudes, it is acceptable. But with an increase in the speed of the planes, being late in dropping a bomb in one second could lead to a bomb fall in 600-800 meters from the target. In addition, for some fortified targets (command posts, bridges, etc.) a direct hit is needed. Two types of guided bombs were created: laser-guided and television.

Laser-controlled bombs work very simply: an airplane (or a gunner on the ground) “indicates” the target with a laser beam, and the bomb has some (limited) ability to plan for this clearly visible illuminated spot. Tele-guided bombs also work simply: her camera is sent to the target, and the bomb plans to it. If the bomb is in a certain “zone” (speed, altitude, direction), it will fall. Or miss. Because even a tiny cloud can dramatically reduce the accuracy, which at the current speeds of the aircraft can lead to a miss in hundreds of meters (who is interested can read this article in Wikipedia).

The advent of satellite targeting has opened a new era of advanced weapons. For the first time, it became possible to use signals from GPS satellites (for Russians, GLONASS) for aiming a bomb at a target. The bombs sent by the satellites were not only more accurate, but they did not depend on the weather. The main problem was their high cost. Another problem was that the warehouses were packed with old, cheap, non-guided bombs. What to do with them?

The Americans came up with an elegant solution: JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition). The JDAM set was a way to turn a “stupid” (hated) bomb into a “smart” (suggested) bomb by attaching special devices to it. You can learn more from this Wikipedia article. This allowed the use of old bombs, but was not cheap: ~ $ 25 000 for fixture (by wikipedia).

The Russians came up with an even better solution.

Instead of putting devices on each bomb and losing it every time, the Russians put a JDAM device, but on the plane.



This is the SVP-24. SVP stands for “specialized computational subsystem”. This system constantly monitors aircraft positions and targets (using GLONASS), measures pressure, humidity, wind and plane speed, and flight direction. It may receive additional information from AWACS aircraft, ground stations, other aircraft. SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the “stupid” bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when its uncontrolled flight leads it exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters).

In practice, this means that every old (age 30 and older) Russian bomb can be delivered by an old plane with the same accuracy as new guided bombs delivered by the newest bomber.



And that is not all. The pilot doesn't even have to think about aiming. He simply enters the exact coordinates of the target into the system, flies to the desired area, and the bombs are dropped automatically. It can focus on detecting enemy actions (aircraft, missiles, anti-aircraft guns). Best of all, this system can be used for bombing from high altitudes,> 5000 meters, where MANPADS cannot reach. In addition, clouds, smoke, weather, and the time of day are irrelevant.

Last but not least, this is a very inexpensive solution. Russia can now use the huge reserves of “stupid” bombs accumulated during the Cold War, it can deliver an almost endless supply of such bombs to Syria, and each of them will hit the target with phenomenal accuracy. Since the SVP-24 is located on an airplane and not on a bomb, it can be reused.

It has already been confirmed that the SVP-24 are installed on the Russian Su-24, Su-25, Tu-22М3, Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters, deserved by MIG-27, and even at the training L-39. That is, it can be installed on almost all helicopters and aircraft, from large bombers to small training aircraft. I am sure that Mi-24 and Mi-35М in Latakia are also equipped with this system.

Here are the components of the system SVP-24 (photo from the MAKS air show in Zhukovsky):



SVP-24 demonstrates that a good engineering solution, especially a good military engineering solution, should not be expensive or look attractive. The use of SVP-24 in RVKS reduced operating costs.

In conclusion, I note that not everything in the Russian army is rosy and perfect. A company producing SVP-24 was supposed to collect money from the Ministry of Defense through the courts, and there were many opponents of SVP-24 in the ministry itself (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors). Ultimately, the problems were solved, and SVP-24 was delivered in large quantities, but this required a long, bitter struggle. So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the armed forces.

In any case, I hope that this excursion “under the hood” was interesting for you.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 7 January 2016 07: 10
    83
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents! We must pay tribute to all the workers of the military-industrial complex of Russia!
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 January 2016 07: 22
      52
      Great military came up with! Well done! And most importantly - very businesslike, without losses, cheap and ANGRY! soldier
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 7 January 2016 08: 58
        62
        The Russians came up with an even better solution.

        That’s the answer to everyone who shouted that everything was gone, no perestroika can kill the talent of Russian engineering.
        1. UREC
          UREC 7 January 2016 10: 28
          28
          To the talents of engineers put the honor and conscience of the real Russian officers and then Russia is invincible !!!
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 7 January 2016 11: 14
            10
            "And I also know how to embroider"
            . (cat Matroskin) wink
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 8 January 2016 15: 39
              +1
              Well done! Everything is rational. But in the end, we make money. And we don’t live like mattresses led by a black monkey on exporting dead presidents and shit democracy
          2. Signore Tomato
            Signore Tomato 7 January 2016 12: 12
            15
            Interesting, Honor and Conscience of the real Russian officers И a huge cloud of corrupt generals somehow fit together or are these things from two parallel universes?
            1. rvn69
              rvn69 8 January 2016 15: 01
              +8
              The problem is that HONOR and CONSCIENCE do not contribute to career advancement. And unfortunately, not only in the army.
          3. Worohilow
            Worohilow 7 January 2016 12: 17
            -12 qualifying.
            somehow I am in doubt about the real laughing
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 7 January 2016 11: 33
          17
          The company producing the SVP-24 had to recover money from the Ministry of Defense through the courts, and the Ministry itself had many opponents of the SVP-24 (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors).

          The heads of our Motherland, God grant you health, happiness, longevity, family well-being and fewer barriers and bureaucratic lawlessness on the way to the realization of your ideas and inventions !!!
          Happy New Year and Merry Christmas !!!
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 7 January 2016 13: 05
            +2
            Quote: Bone
            and in the ministry itself there were many opponents of SVP-24

            Well, probably the test period was delayed, maybe not everything was debugged.
        3. wef
          wef 7 January 2016 12: 24
          25
          That’s the answer to everyone who shouted that everything was gone, no perestroika can kill the talent of Russian engineering.

          Perestroika killed production and reduced the status of engineers and inventors. Engineering in Russia has not died and will not die.
          But you need to scream.
          The continuity of generations in production has been violated. Destroy engineering school. Destroyed vocational education at the technical level. schools. The production base continues to be destroyed. We hardly produce any means of production. Here we are screaming.
        4. Rus2012
          Rus2012 7 January 2016 14: 08
          12
          Quote: vlad66
          That’s the answer to everyone who shouted that everything was gone, no perestroika can kill the talent of Russian engineering.

          ... the diagram shows the same ZTN-1, still in the previous version (impact resistance 100d), which the Leberasty and the "sofa esPerdy", panting with snot, gastric bile and defecating in a race, obsessed. And in VO they also practiced immeasurably ...
          Nevertheless, there is and works for the glory of the Fatherland!
        5. Oleg Lavrov
          Oleg Lavrov 7 January 2016 19: 31
          +4
          Exactly!! In addition, adequate people are aware that along with the military-industrial complex, the economy is developing and gaining strength !!
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 8 January 2016 01: 52
            +3
            Quote: Oleg Lavrov
            In addition, adequate people are aware that along with the military-industrial complex, the economy is developing and gaining strength !!

            Adequate people will never say that.
            The army and the military-industrial complex are the essence of the burden on the economy.
            Money spent on the army, incl. and for defense industry, the essence is a completely expenditure budget item.
            Another issue is that the defense industry is partially paying for itself by working for export.
            The third question (in fact the most important) that it is impossible to save on either the army or the defense industry is fraught.
            1. Countermeasure
              Countermeasure 8 January 2016 11: 12
              +2
              I think the author had in mind that it is from the defense and military spheres that the most advanced technologies in the civilian sphere come. For example, the Internet, mobile communications, etc.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 7 January 2016 09: 37
        28
        Quote: Tatiana
        Great military came up with! Well done!

        They came up not only with the military, but also with the civilians - employees of the corresponding design bureaus, industries, and allies.
        But a wonderful SVP system cannot completely replace KABy. They complement each other well for defeat in various conditions of various goals.
        The improvement of sights (systems) for bombing has been going on for a long time and, the result, it seems, has been achieved.
        Zelo is joyful!
        We should not forget the designers, technologists, including financially, and that is the risk that "managers" will grab all the glory, which, unfortunately, have not yet been multiplied by zero in our military-industrial complex.
        1. dauria
          dauria 7 January 2016 10: 11
          +6
          But a wonderful SVP system cannot completely replace KABy.


          Here is an explanatory remark. Two uncontrolled identical FAB-250s from two neighboring pylons always fall with a scatter of tens of meters (and sometimes it can be noted that a little bit are not simultaneous explosions) The fact is that the bombs cannot be made the same, and in the distribution of wind, temperature and density in height. This will not be taken into account in the calculations. So the option with a controlled head rotated instead of a fuse is also needed.
          Well, you won’t be surprised with the intensity of the sorties. Firstly, it is far from ultimate. Well, for example, an aircraft carrier even with steam catapults provides 120 sorties per day.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 7 January 2016 10: 24
            +3
            Quote: dauria
            Well, for example, an aircraft carrier even with steam catapults provides 120 sorties per day.

            Please clarify. Is this real data on combat work or performance characteristics given by the Americans?
            1. dauria
              dauria 7 January 2016 10: 42
              +6
              Is this real data on combat work or performance characteristics given by the Americans?
              smile

              Yes, there was still no "real" combat work, neither we, nor they. It was designed for 6 sorties per day for an FA pilot (and for an airplane, as long as it turns out, for this there are twice as many pilots as there are planes). I understand your displeasure, but they have serious air forces with good planes and trained personnel, superior in numbers and technical equipment. They know very well both our and their capabilities. Why should they be surprised?
              1. koshmarik
                koshmarik 7 January 2016 11: 41
                18
                I remember that during the Korean War we lost 300 aircraft, and the Americans more than 1000, but everything else is true: they have better planes and pilots.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 7 January 2016 15: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: koshmarik
                  their planes and pilots are better.

                  Why such an opinion? Do you judge it on the fly, or just poked your finger in the sky?
                  Maybe this is a biased opinion, but I believe that I am convinced that our pilots are the best in the world, which has been proven many times by history.
                  In the Second World War, in Korea, Vietnam and now in Syria ... or do you think that bombing a hospital or wedding by mistake is an indication of skill?
                  All this is subjective in its essence. But the latest collision of our Air Force in Vietnam showed that 3-4 Phantoms per MIG.
                  Sincerely. hi
                  1. Pajamas
                    Pajamas 7 January 2016 15: 40
                    +9
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Quote: koshmarik
                    their planes and pilots are better.

                    Why such an opinion? Do you judge it on the fly, or just poked your finger in the sky?
                    Maybe this is a biased opinion, but I believe that I am convinced that our pilots are the best in the world, which has been proven many times by history.
                    In the Second World War, in Korea, Vietnam and now in Syria ... or do you think that bombing a hospital or wedding by mistake is an indication of skill?
                    All this is subjective in its essence. But the latest collision of our Air Force in Vietnam showed that 3-4 Phantoms per MIG.
                    Sincerely. hi

                    Do you know the word sarcasm? Take it out of context and get pluses, is that your style? and yes YOUR passage about WWII delivers. Amen.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 7 January 2016 15: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Pajama
                      Take it out of context and get pluses, is that your style?

                      Man, don’t judge everyone by yourself. What are the pluses? What are you, as a child, by God ... Himself is not ashamed of this PASSAGE.
                      Quote: Pajama
                      Do you know the word sarcasm?

                      Sarcasm is good ... but only you apparently forget that there is a discussion forum. And everyone has the right to their opinion and their reaction to posts.
                      1. Pajamas
                        Pajamas 8 January 2016 15: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Quote: Pajama
                        Take it out of context and get pluses, is that your style?

                        Man, don’t judge everyone by yourself. What are the pluses? What are you, as a child, by God ... Himself is not ashamed of this PASSAGE.
                        Quote: Pajama
                        Do you know the word sarcasm?

                        Sarcasm is good ... but only you apparently forget that there is a discussion forum. And everyone has the right to their opinion and their reaction to posts.

                        Dear, everything would be fine, and you have the right to your opinion, but you do not have to misinterpret someone else's opinion, you took the phrase out of context, giving it the opposite meaning, and then with vulgar pathos
                        "Chapcomet" write that our pilots are the best in the world and this, in your words, has been proven many times over. Who proved it and to whom? You? You? Well, if you are such a fighter for pluralism of opinions and their freedom of expression, as you write, then take the trouble to at least substantiate your speeches and not distort others. Tell me, German pilots are not the best in the world, have they not proved it? What about French, English, Japanese? Your comparison of WWII air battles will not stand up to any criticism at all. If you give yourself the trouble to think, then any historical comparison at best can provide a prerequisite for comparing the "school", traditions, but in no way can it be a statement of assessment of the state or a comparative characteristic (the best) today, if at all such a comparison is possible allow for the type of troops, training of flight personnel in combat units, units of equipment. There were and are in all countries worthy of mention, but for you "urapatriota", as I understand it, no arguments are sufficient, only "URAAA !!!", only hardcord.

                        A little off topic but:
                        Any heroism, any example of the greatness of the spirit, as a rule, is the result of someone's mistake, the history of the Russian state has a lot of examples of manifestation of courage and heroism, so think about why. The character of course tempers, but leaves widows and orphans. "No need" URAAA "and with bayonets on tanks." More order is needed.
                      2. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 8 January 2016 19: 34
                        -5
                        From what capette did you write that your American pilots are the best?
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 8 January 2016 23: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Pajama
                        Dear, everything would be fine, and you have the right to your opinion, but you do not have to misinterpret someone else's opinion, you took the phrase out of context, giving it the opposite meaning, and then with vulgar pathos
                        "chapcomet" write that our pilots are the best in the world and that

                        You probably think that this match looks very smart ... and where is the pathos then? What do you smoke there?

                        Quote: Pajama
                        Well, if you are such a fighter for the pluralism of opinions and their freedom of expression, as you write, then take the trouble to at least justify your speeches and not distort others.

                        (Sigh) Apparently the impassability of your ambition is as limitless as self-conceit. Well, let’s take the most successful ace Gereng Hartmann Erich Alfred, who has 352 personal victories. We open the book about him and ...
                        For example, the first, completely paradoxical conclusion that arises after reading a book. Erich Hartmann did not have ANYTHING ANY air battle. So dear to the heart of our pilots, he rejected the air carousel in principle. Hartmann himself says that at least 80% of the pilots he shot down were not even aware of the danger. And all the more so no dodging over the battlefield to “cover up their troops.” Its 800 fights would be more justly called air clashes, or something.

                        On the account of the Soviet aces that shot down 20 or more cars, the facts of the enemy’s ram (and sometimes twice during the war). And our pilots threw the Germans from the eastern sky.
                        Quote: Pajama
                        German pilots are not the best in the world, have they not proven? What about french, english, japanese?

                        Everyone has their aces. But the hottest fights were in the skies of the USSR. And our pilots multiplied the Lufwaffe superiority by zero.
                        Quote: Pajama
                        Your comparison of WWII air battles will not stand up to any criticism at all. If you give yourself the trouble to think, then any historical comparison can at best provide a prerequisite for comparing the "school",

                        What are you talking about! Despite the fact that two-thirds of the aircraft fleet was destroyed in the first week of the war (at the airfields), and our pilots fought on obsolete "donkeys", two years later there was no air superiority. And starting from the Kursk Bulge, the advantage the Germans had evaporated altogether, despite the fact that the training of our pilots lasted half a year.

                        Quote: Pajama
                        There were and are in all countries worthy of mention, but for you "urapatriota", as I understand it, no arguments are sufficient, only "URAAA !!!", only hardcord.

                        Masterpiece idiocy, I'm sorry. Did I say that the aces were only in the USSR? Do you at least ask what a "hurray patriot" is and how it differs from a patriot.
                        Quote: Pajama
                        The character of course tempers, but leaves widows and orphans. "No need" URAAA "and with bayonets on tanks." More order is needed.

                        I’m calling two figures for such impenetrable wise men ... for 1000 years 650 Russia waged wars. In our genome this is, if you like. And in what war is there a lot of order?
                      4. Pajamas
                        Pajamas 9 January 2016 02: 32
                        +2
                        You are constantly responding to your own thoughts and not when in fact. The conversation went that you took the phrase out of context and then with righteous anger ... and off it went ...
                        I am absolutely up to the "lantern" Your excursions in the text about how I look, what I smoke, ambition and conceit, this has nothing to do with the essence of the issue.
                        But here you write:

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        (Sigh) Apparently the impassability of your ambition is as limitless as self-conceit. Well, let’s take the most successful ace Gereng Hartmann Erich Alfred, who has 352 personal victories. We open the book about him and ...
                        For example, the first, completely paradoxical conclusion that arises after reading a book. Erich Hartmann did not have ANYTHING ANY air battle. So dear to the heart of our pilots, he rejected the air carousel in principle. Hartmann himself says that at least 80% of the pilots he shot down were not even aware of the danger. And all the more so no dodging over the battlefield to “cover up their troops.” Its 800 fights would be more justly called air clashes, or something.

                        On the account of the Soviet aces that shot down 20 or more cars, the facts of the enemy’s ram (and sometimes twice during the war). And our pilots threw the Germans from the eastern sky.


                        Your quote, this is the preface of the translator, and again taken out of the context of the entire preface, where the position and delusion of those who described the actions of the Luftwaffe are discussed, in addition to everything else, you again pull out, even in the text cited, fragments you personally dislike. Here is a fragment without your censorship, in bold what you removed - "For example, the first, completely paradoxical conclusion that arises after reading the book. Erich Hartmann did not conduct ALMOST ANY air combat. He basically denied the air carousel so dear to the hearts of our pilots. dive to the target, immediate withdrawal. Shot down - shot down, did not shoot down - it does not matter. The battle is stopped! If there is a new attack, it will only be on the same principle. Hartmann himself says that at least 80% of the pilots he shot down did not even know about the danger And even more so, no winding over the battlefield to "cover your troops." Incidentally, Pokryshkin once rebelled against this. “I can't catch bombs with my plane. We will intercept the bombers on the way to the battlefield. ” Intercepted, it turned out. And after the ingenious pilot received a hat. But Hartmann was only engaged in hunting. So, its 800 fights would be more correctly called air collisions, or something. "The essence of the statement is changing.
                        To be honest, Alexander Bolnyh, personally to me, does not always seem convincing (he is not only a translator but also the author of many books), BUT since you yourself turned to the book (and in fact, only to the preface), here are the words of A. Bolnyh - " I should not be accused of apologetics for fascism and praising the enemies of the Soviet Union. Account of Hartmann and I am in doubt, however, it seems to me, one should not try to deny that he was the best ace of the Second World War. "

                        I generally do not see any point in discussing your last message with you further, although I have something to say about the rest of your gems, the dialogue exists to bring positions closer or to perceive the opponent's reasonable arguments, but you constantly "distort", take out of context, engage in demagogy about Kursk Bulge, patriotism and write heresy about the genome, you always strive to leave the subject of discussion somewhere, mainly on slogans, appeals, therefore, on my part, correspondence on these specific topics will only be a waste of my own time, I will discuss the stream of your consciousness not interested.
              2. kot stepan
                kot stepan 8 January 2016 01: 05
                +1
                Erroneous information on Vietnam, if we had in mind the ratio in air battles. Both in Korea and in Vietnam, they are approximately equal in number. Of course, it depends on how you count. In various sources, the loss ratio (in air battles) is shifted in one direction or another, but not by much. The Americans suffered decent losses from fire from the ground. This should be taken into account when it comes to the general ratio.
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 7 January 2016 20: 52
              +1
              Quote: koshmarik
              during the Korean War we lost 300 aircraft, and the Americans more than 1000

              You miss that after the Vietnam War, their army became professional, which cannot but affect the quality, but the technology also went new. Roughly speaking, the Americans seriously take into account the experience of conflicts and draw conclusions. Now there is no need for close air combat, they will do all the work UAV and means of distance destruction
          2. Geser
            Geser 7 January 2016 13: 06
            +2
            If the Americans have such serious air forces with good planes and trained personnel that are superior in numbers and technical equipment, how did it happen that for all the time when the Americans bombed ISIS, the territory controlled by it not only did not decrease but also constantly increased. Our aviation got down to business - the situation began to change for the better, the bandits began to suffer losses and lose captured positions and territories.
            1. kot stepan
              kot stepan 8 January 2016 01: 07
              +3
              Politics...
              1. Geser
                Geser 8 January 2016 11: 21
                0
                Exactly, it is no secret that ISIS as such is the brainchild of Americans. Only this can explain the reason that the American bombing did not give any result.
          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 8 January 2016 05: 02
            +1
            Yes, there was still no "real" combat work, neither we, nor they. It was designed for 6 sorties per day for an FA pilot (and for an airplane, as long as it turns out, for this there are twice as many pilots as there are planes). I understand your displeasure, but they have serious air forces with good planes and trained personnel, superior in numbers and technical equipment. They know very well both our and their capabilities. Why should they be surprised?
            Probably in the 40s they spoke in the same way about the German aviation (and in fact it was stronger, newer, more experienced) ..... just anyway we ground it into dust, and for one and the whole "millennial Reich"
      3. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 7 January 2016 10: 40
        +7
        The number of sorties does not mean everything. Aviators have such a term, combat tension. It characterizes the number of sorties per day per pilot. If I’m not mistaken (forgive the experts), on average, a pilot should fly 2-3 times a day for a battle or operation. Sometimes this figure can reach the figure 4. That is, you can make 120 sorties, drove to the task of each plane once a day, having 120 cars. And you can achieve this indicator with fewer planes, but at the same time provide for each pilot 3 sorties per day. This is much more complicated both for the pilots themselves and for all supporting structures. This is what characterizes the preparedness of all elements of the air operation.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 7 January 2016 19: 23
          0
          - Here, by the way, about the US Air Force in Vietnam, and the number of sorties: In the memoirs, one of the American pilots wrote that, according to statistics, a pilot made, on average, 25 sorties
          after which he was shot down (?) ... And, according to unspoken practice, having made 25 sorties without incident, he could safely go home ...
      4. atalef
        atalef 7 January 2016 10: 48
        -1
        Quote: dauria
        Here is an explanatory remark. Two uncontrolled identical FAB-250s from two neighboring pylons always fall with a spread of tens of meters (and sometimes you can notice that a little bit are not simultaneous explosions)

        TTx sorry not shown.
        I do not believe. that ordinary fabs (uncontrollable) can hit targets (with a bombing altitude of 5000m) with an accuracy of 3-5 m.
        I do not believe. there are a lot of alternatives here. that no system will track them.
        Where is the KVO data for different tapas of bombs?
        Each bomb differs (albeit not very much) in aerodynamics and weight. Yes, as part of a single batch.
        And here is a complex that should take into account everything, and even at the speed of the aircraft and the direction of gusts of wind in an air column 5 km high.
        Sorry - it certainly improves accuracy. but 3-5 m - this is not real.
        Further, regarding airplane departures.
        Aircraft carrier provides 120 per day. and land bases and even more without problems.
        to the second Lebanese. and with Cast Lead, the Israeli Air Force flew 350 flights a day without any problems. I think the coalition (USA) has no less opportunities.
        The article is controversial in terms of facts.
        I certainly understand. it is necessary to somehow confirm the words of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense. that not a single bomb fell on a civilian object (which is just ridiculous when considering the bombing of settlements). anyway. let’s leave it the more they fill. all the better.
        I will return to the declared characteristics - not real. Although it would be worth hearing an ancient or someone from the former Air Force pilots.
        1. hrych
          hrych 7 January 2016 12: 34
          +7
          Technologically, an air bomb is an extremely simple and cheap device, thanks to which there is nowhere to technologically be wrong, so that there is a deviation in mass and shape. Also, the target is covered by the use of not one high-precision, but 2-4 bombs, which increases the probability of hitting the target, respectively 2-4 times, which compensates for the error, which is certainly more important than the use of guided ammunition. Knowing the speed, height (conventionally 5000 m), wind, humidity and of course the computer, plus advanced positioning systems, it is not worth considering a deviation of 3-5 m unrealistic since from the time of World War II, having optical instruments and a human-controlled aiming system, it gave a deviation 30-50 meters, which was offset by the use of, respectively, dozens of bombs for guaranteed destruction of the target. In short, the theory of probability has a place to be and a decline in quality is always compensated by quantity. I apologize, holidays are reflected both in the course of thought and in its presentation ...
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 7 January 2016 13: 13
          -4
          You can see right away ... the Jews are always vomiting ..... well, well ... doubt .... the time will come ... and feel on yourself ... obrzantsy
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 7 January 2016 16: 00
          +8
          For 2 aircraft, departure per day is approximately normal. Carriers with 60 warplanes on board simply do not exist, so stop writing nonsense.

          A bomb weighing 250 kg contains so much explosive that there will be a funnel larger than 3-5 meters. 3-5 meters, of course, the KVO is unattainable, but it is not required.

          There are no civilian objects on the territory of ISIS and cannot be. The population has been fleeing there for a long time, no civilian structures are functioning, and it’s somehow strange to consider some kind of thread the Igilov oil ministry, or something like that dealing with security issues.
          1. clidon
            clidon 8 January 2016 10: 44
            0
            Aircraft carriers with 60 combat aircraft on board simply do not exist, so stop writing nonsense.

            Where did they go?
        4. DarkRiver
          DarkRiver 7 January 2016 17: 39
          +9
          Quote: atalef

          I do not believe. that ordinary fabs (uncontrollable) can hit targets (with a bombing altitude of 5000m) with an accuracy of 3-5 m.

          Here you are not alone. Janes also did not believe when they analyzed the joint Russian-Belarusian exercises. Their experts concluded that some new type of guided bombs was used in the exercises, but everything turned out to be more prosaic, as SVP-24 was circled there
          1. clidon
            clidon 10 January 2016 10: 56
            0
            Where can I find the conclusions of Janes?
        5. xtur
          xtur 7 January 2016 22: 00
          +3
          > I don't believe it. there are a lot of interrupts here. that no system can track them

          you don’t have to believe, for starters you just need to know a little about the topic you are trying to judge. There is such a centuries-old invention of the military, called the table of artillery firing - there are collected corrections for wind speed, temperature, direction, and much more, what determines the accuracy of the projectile hit.

          So - for distances of the order of several kilometers, the norm of shells hitting the target could well reach several meters. AND the GSVG applied the Ipatov method to those who did not fit into the firing standards.

          The situation with the flight of a ground-to-ground projectile and when bombing from an airplane is all one, in a first approximation, a parabola. Only when bombing we deal with half a parabola. And the rest, the procedure for accounting for amendments should be the same, with approximately the same efficiency.

          There are pilots on this profile on the forum, they will correct me if I said something wrong.
          1. jPilot
            jPilot 7 January 2016 23: 48
            +5
            The answer to the mark "excellent", I specifically looked through, so as not to be angry with the "clever guys" once again. Quite rightly, there are special tables in which almost all those affecting both controlled and uncontrolled SP (means of destruction) are taken into account, the calculation process itself is very complex in which a bunch of formulas are involved, and of course we were taught at the school to calculate all this, but in practice it was not up to that , especially when performing BZ, therefore, the data of the table were created, which allow with high accuracy to put in the target not only NARs (unguided aircraft missiles) but also AB (air bombs), but at least 1 meter, but the minus is that for this it should be excellent visibility of the target. In the SVP-24, as I understand it, they simply combined all modern navigation systems, computers and the entire base of sighting tables for the aircraft (aircraft) on which it is installed is entered. So, to all who do not believe ..... hold the flag, and "pray" your NATO cronies for sanity. For oh, how I do not advise you to find out which of us is the best pilots.
            Now a little wise guy about aircraft carriers, maybe of course he can provide 120 sorties a day, and if something happens, someone will give him, do not forget, the aircraft carrier is a very large target, and even more so with a bunch of escorts this time, secondly, 120 planes there, accordingly, preparation for the second flight will be required, and perhaps not for one, but this is also not a short time. And most importantly (God forbid) Russia is not a banana republic; the answer will not make you wait long. And for effective use, you still need to come closer, and someone will give them!
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 8 January 2016 14: 52
            +1
            .... Only when bombing we deal with half a parabola. And the rest, the procedure for accounting for amendments should be the same, with approximately the same efficiency.

            .... A very simplified approach ..... The technique is just another and the approach is also ..... The projectile flies in the surface layer of the atmosphere, where the wind, in principle, has a constant direction and speed .... A bomb falling from a height a thick layer of the atmosphere passes, where the air parameters change with height (air density, temperature, humidity, and the direction of the wind can vary up to 30-40 degrees, if not more) .... And the higher the discharge point, the greater the influence of these factors .... In the theory of bombing, there are also correction tables (ballistic coefficients, corrections for altitude, speed, temperature, etc.) ... And still this does not give sniper accuracy .... All these things have always been taken into account when bombing by a navigator by a scorer (all these parameters are entered into the bomb sight manually) ..... And no one has yet canceled the dispersion ellipse - this is the law (the axiom - the higher the greater) ..... Therefore, the accuracy is 3-5m from a height 5km is in doubt, even if there is a calculator on board ..... hi
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 8 January 2016 19: 48
              0
              On the contrary, the shell flies above five kilometers.
            2. xtur
              xtur 10 January 2016 02: 26
              0
              > A bomb falling from a height passes through a thick layer of the atmosphere, where air parameters change with height (air density, temperature, humidity, and the wind direction can change up to 30-40 degrees, if not more

              the parameters of the parabola - its height and range are interrelated, and artillery fires for 10-15 km, the projectile does not rise 5 km, of course, but another can easily, km, including the view that the projectile flies in a thin surface layer is an obvious stretch.

              In addition, speed, wind direction, humidity, air temperature can all change dramatically in the horizontal direction, when you shoot for 5-10 km, and all this, however, is ultimately taken into account

              It is clear that a rocket or bomb flies differently than a projectile, but this is also somehow taken into account when calculating the amendments.
        6. KaPToC
          KaPToC 8 January 2016 19: 40
          +1
          Russian is written in white for you - the equipment selects the moment of the bomb drop, eliminating the human factor, the accuracy can be very high, but this is simplified.
        7. svdshka
          svdshka 8 January 2016 23: 30
          +1
          I agree with you on the consequence that on the frames of the chronicle that they provide us with no accuracy of getting into small objects, there’s no question that they’ve got into the tank and there the bomb fell to the box 5-10 meters away, after which the dust remained a mere mortal supposed to know sane people will understand everything between the lines to read from the scoop have not forgotten how
      5. sereginaleks
        sereginaleks 7 January 2016 11: 19
        10
        For every bomb there is a so-called "characteristic time", if my memory serves me right. It is marked on each bomb and naturally does not match. Therefore, the average value is entered into the computer. Further, bombs from two adjacent pylons do not fall simultaneously, and the interval can vary depending on the task. Even with an interval of a fraction of a second, the plane manages to fly several meters, so here's the spread. And on account of the number of sorties, in Afghanistan, our pilots, at least in my presence, made 6 or more missions and the tasks were varied from bombing to mining, supporting troops and searching for and destroying caravans. And this is one squadron.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 7 January 2016 13: 35
          +5
          Quote: sereginaleks
          For every bomb there is a so-called "characteristic time", if my memory serves me right. It is marked on each bomb and naturally does not match. Therefore, the average value is entered into the computer.

          Quote: hrych
          Knowing the speed, altitude (conventionally 5000 m), wind, humidity, and of course the computer, plus advanced positioning systems, it is not worth considering the deviation in 3-5 m unrealistic since since the Second World War, having optical instruments and a human-controlled aiming system, it gave a deviation in 30-50 meters, which was offset by the use of, respectively, dozens of bombs to guarantee the destruction of the target.

          Quote: atalef
          I will return to the declared characteristics - not real.


          Dear colleagues!
          There is some truth in every statement you make.
          BUT!
          If you minimize all (or many) factors and errors:
          - enter a specific "characteristic time" for each bomb, take into account the state of the atmosphere ...
          - accurate data of flight parameters and target coordinates
          - provide individual automatic reset of each freely falling bomb
          - ...
          a significant increase in hit accuracy can be achieved.

          Let them be, KVO the same 30-40 meters, 2 FAB-500 / 4-6 FAB-250 from a height of 5tys and speeds of 600-700km / hour.
          However, they still act this way for "areal targets" -
          - oil storages, places of concentrated presence of bandits - houses such as barracks, storage facilities matsnabzheniya ... and so on.
          With such a CVO - everything in this radius will be destroyed.
          All the same, the WTO is hitting "point" and engineering protected targets. Or the Su-25 "pointwise", having previously "cleaned up" and neutralized possible opposition.
  2. hrych
    hrych 7 January 2016 11: 30
    +7
    Quote: Tatiana
    Great military came up with! Well done!

    If the military had come up with everything, they would still shoot arrows from a bow. All were invented by bespectacled "nerds" - this is the main evil of mankind laughing and their choking gases and vigorous weapons ...
    1. Geser
      Geser 7 January 2016 13: 13
      +3
      I do not agree. Much of the armament field was invented by civilian scientists. But there is also military science, military scientists. True, the state of our military science after the collapse of the USSR and the years of the dashing 90s, together with the Serdyukov bacchanalia, was greatly undermined - many personnel were lost, many design bureaus and military institutes and academies were closed and disbanded. Now the potential of military science is being restored, but for now it is necessary to rely on civilian scientists and specialists.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 7 January 2016 20: 19
      +1
      The military set an exact task for the types of weapons dreamed in inflamed delirium! lol And civilians, and not only scientists and engineers "break" their heads fool over the task of explaining to the military the reasons for the impossibility request creation of hand weapons with the power of the Kuz'kina Mother bomb wassat while simultaneously creating weapons of impressive power good ... And in the end, only the generals who are forced to use "low-power toys" of tremendous destructiveness remain unhappy! soldier
      1. eaa59
        eaa59 8 January 2016 15: 08
        -1
        Bold minus !!!!! There was such a real Istria that our main peacekeeper 80-90 of the last century, Mr. Sakharov did not like to recall. After testing the hydrogen bomb, this scientist at the meeting suggested that, let’s give babao reptiles to the Americans, after hitting such a bomb, they still won’t be able to answer us, and if necessary, we can increase the charge. To which one of the generals cursed him and said that the military had ordered the tazaakatakayyibomb not to kill civilians, but to prevent war. So chtr the inflamed brain not at military, but rather at scientists.
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  3. veksha50
    veksha50 7 January 2016 12: 05
    +4
    Quote: Tatiana
    Great military came up with! Well done!



    Hmm ... As follows from the article - they came up with civilians for the military, and they had to knock out money for the SVP-24 from the military through a court ...

    The author correctly says that not everything is pink with us ... Which once again confirms the need for strengthening corruption not in words, like balabolyat, but in practice ...

    If now the heads (and not shoulder straps) flew by those who were against this system in the armed forces, there would be more sense ...

    PS And this, after all, is not an isolated case of this ... And, thank God, not only with us ...
    Ahh, what can I say ... If the T-34, which became the best and legendary medium tank, even more abruptly and harder made its way to life ...
  4. remy
    remy 7 January 2016 15: 59
    +5
    good system. Tu-22M3 perfectly adapted for ODAB-500PMV, BC 12 units.
    KVO 3-5 meters
    the equivalent of 480 tons falls
  5. remy
    remy 7 January 2016 16: 44
    +1
    "overturned -" the arms race
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  • Mahmut
    Mahmut 7 January 2016 08: 07
    35
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents!

    It's right. It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.
    1. Siberian1965
      Siberian1965 7 January 2016 09: 09
      10
      Add, patriotic and not patriotic id..ov. They are much more dangerous than corrupt officials, because the arguments for them are an empty concussion of air and revelations, they are not afraid, because there is nothing to expose, and besides, they’re coming.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 7 January 2016 09: 44
      +5
      Quote: Mahmut
      It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.

      A good pack of dollars - that’s the device by which it is possible to track corrupt officials with high accuracy.
      Thanks to the author for revealing the topic, I kept thinking: how can I get right on target from such a height and came to the conclusion that, apparently, a special device is being used and apparently, I was not mistaken. Well done, our Kulibins!
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 7 January 2016 10: 54
        +8
        Kulibins, geniuses, talents ... The Bologna system of education, and no corrupt officials are needed.
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 7 January 2016 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Mahmut
      Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents!

      It's right. It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.

      This device is, but it is not used by those who are supposed to, as operational interference from users is off-scale.
    4. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 7 January 2016 11: 09
      -3
      Quote: Mahmut
      It's right. It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.


      A colleague, what to invent, open a party card and if there are three letters, it means a high probability, and if a long word is written on the pass and A begins, then there can be no doubt - this one is there. yes
    5. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 7 January 2016 13: 36
      +3
      But I’m interested in very last names who do not want to take this equipment into service. And their arguments are also interesting. Somehow they were guided by ... I hope our counterintelligence is closely monitoring the situation on the verge of war.
    6. midivan
      midivan 7 January 2016 17: 42
      +4
      Quote: Mahmut
      It's right. It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.

      yes there is one, they don’t use only, SVD is called bully
    7. Nexus 6
      Nexus 6 9 January 2016 12: 45
      +1
      “After every three years in office, any quartermaster can be shot without trial. There is always something for it. ” A.V. Suvorov.
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  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 7 January 2016 08: 10
    +9
    In Russia, there will always be extraordinary thinking engineers. The main thing is to provide them with conditions and not to interfere. Russia stands on such nuggets and will surprise the world more than once.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 7 January 2016 09: 20
    10
    Quote: avvg
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents! We must pay tribute to all the workers of the military-industrial complex of Russia!

    And at the same time, Russia has always been "famous" for stupid and corrupt officials, with whom Tsar Peter I fought, but they still live. How many talents, inventions and developments have been ruined by them.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 7 January 2016 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: Koshak
      with which Tsar Peter I still fought, but they still live.
      - and even Stalin - and with the same result. More precisely, under Stalin they calmed down, lay down, and after his death they raised their heads again. And the very death of Stalin is suspicious ...
      Is it ever irresistible? Is it really, really?
      Only "tovarischas" from Israel do not need to be told that there is no corruption in the West, otherwise they like to screw up this statement on occasion and with such questions. Better to laugh at this: http://mylove.ru/groups/politika/angliyskiy-sud-vse-sudam-sud-ili-upal-ochnulsya
      -seks / # window_close.
      Was the judge accused of corruption? No! Hence, there is no corruption! Now you understand the scheme of the absence of corruption in the west? She simply does not exist due to the absence of charges of corruption crimes.
      Corruption is a birthmark and integral part of the Western market model. Although it is partly peculiar to other formations, the same Soviet system, but in the same Soviet system it remains within controlled limits. In the conditions of the western formation, it is easier to pretend that there is no corruption than to fight it laughing As regards this English judge, they did just that - they pretended that the judge issued a deeply correct and lawful decision, and go all truth seekers to where the cancer does not go whistling laughing Here it is, an effective method of fighting corruption! laughing
      1. Starik72
        Starik72 7 January 2016 13: 04
        +5
        Aksakal. I will answer you when corruption disappears. When humanity will get rid of its vices! Namely: Greed, Envy, Anger and Hate! When there comes EQUALITY in everything: before the law, the equality of professions, positions and ranks, and most importantly when the DIABILITY disappears. And it depends only on us PEOPLE. This is my opinion and I think that some will disagree with him. Sincerely.
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 8 January 2016 20: 55
          0
          And it's not even about the "bubble" - people are vicious in their essence, you take away the money, there will be stones, or beads! Religion could improve matters, but it must be instilled from childhood !!! But this is not and probably will not be!
    2. DPN
      DPN 7 January 2016 20: 12
      0
      Why go far EBN, And Gorbachev and now governs, scoundrel.
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 January 2016 19: 52
      0
      Unfortunately, you are mistaken in calling officials stupid and corrupt, they are GREEDY and SALE.
  • Million
    Million 7 January 2016 09: 37
    +7
    We would also need to raise not only the military industry, but also the civilian industry. In order not to run to the TV in the morning, watch how much a barrel of oil and a dollar with euro cost
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 7 January 2016 15: 27
      +1
      Civil industry can be raised only if there is a developed foreign trade, which Russia is blocked in every way. The domestic market is not able to stimulate the strong development of civil industry due to its rapid saturation with the required goods and falling demand. This problem did not allow the USSR to develop its consumer industry to a world level. There was no place to develop. Kiiat jumped due to the fact that Western markets were opened to him and they began to actively pour money into it, developing the economy. Nobody will give us such happiness. Markets have to conquer.
      1. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 7 January 2016 20: 58
        +1
        "In order not to run to the TV in the morning to watch how much a barrel of oil costs"
        In the 14th year, 51% of the export of non-primary goods, in the 15th year - 54%. It is let the sheikhs of SA and Qatar run to the TV :)
  • activator
    activator 7 January 2016 10: 12
    +4
    Quote: avvg
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents! We must pay tribute to all the workers of the military-industrial complex of Russia!

    I think the matter is not in genius, but in the fact that there are much more bombs than planes and, accordingly, it’s more profitable to put this crap on bombs than on airplanes from Americans and won the selfish interest, by the way, because in Russia this device also made it hard to get a really fat piece .
  • rvRomanoff
    rvRomanoff 7 January 2016 11: 58
    +3
    What can I say? These are the same former kids from the many former circles and clubs of young technicians. The last gift of the USSR.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 7 January 2016 16: 00
    +1
    Unfortunately, they are often not given their due, but that which is is taken away. And this is not only and not so much money, but also production facilities, apartments, equipment and much more, in the presence of which there would be much more achievements. Yes, and with the preparation of the young shift stress.
  • Nick
    Nick 9 January 2016 17: 57
    0
    Quote: avvg
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents! We must pay tribute to all the workers of the military-industrial complex of Russia!

    Quote: avvg
    Great military came up with! Well done! And most importantly - very businesslike, without losses, cheap and ANGRY!

    And can you imagine how things would have gone with us, if not for the influence of those very corrupt "tovarischi". Corruption is a threat to the national security of the state.
  • ALEXX.
    ALEXX. 7 January 2016 07: 12
    +3
    Good device. There is something to answer mattresses
    1. cap
      cap 7 January 2016 07: 16
      13
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Good device. There is something to answer mattresses

      “Last but not least, this is a very inexpensive solution. Russia can now use the huge stockpiles of 'dumb' bombs accumulated during the Cold War, they can deliver an almost endless supply of such bombs to Syria, and each of them will hit the target with phenomenal accuracy. Since the SVP-24 is on an airplane, not a bomb, it can be reused many times. "
      This will add problems with the answer. Disposal with the + sign
    2. midivan
      midivan 7 January 2016 07: 31
      15
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Good device. There is something to answer mattresses

      Yes, we even have a device for sanctions, it fellow most of the country's men have long since put up a fight against them laughing
  • venaya
    venaya 7 January 2016 07: 12
    10
    every old Russian bomb can be delivered with an old plane with the same accuracy as new guided bombs delivered by the latest bomber

    Yes, there really is such a proverb "need for inventions ...", only in this case I do not want to use it, too brilliant results are given by such "invention", or rather just an engineering thought, and it turned out both cheaply (disposal is possible) and angry. Well done!
  • gas-5903
    gas-5903 7 January 2016 07: 15
    +6
    Something strange going on Americans sing praises to our military-industrial complex
    1. midivan
      midivan 7 January 2016 07: 35
      +9
      Quote: gas-5903
      Something strange going on Americans sing praises to our military-industrial complex

      I will say more, some even receive our citizenship bully
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 7 January 2016 08: 10
        +8
        Something strange going on Americans sing praises to our military-industrial complex

        Everything is clear with this. Grandmas will shake from Congress to rearm.
    2. region58
      region58 7 January 2016 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: gas-5903
      Something strange going on Americans sing praises to our military-industrial complex

      No, it's not like these are Americans. I followed the link to the source, there is also a Russian version of the site. On the main page the St. George ribbon. Among the authors are our Khazin, Starikov, Ishchenko. I really didn’t understand what kind of site it was, in my opinion something like Anna-News or the Russian spring, which in itself, in my opinion, is already good ...
    3. clidon
      clidon 8 January 2016 23: 58
      0
      What are the Americans? This is for internal use.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 7 January 2016 07: 16
    +3
    This is called "Our response to Chamberlain" ... Cheap and angry .. Honor and praise to our specialists, who breathed a second life into a rather outdated technology ..
    1. cap
      cap 7 January 2016 07: 53
      +1
      Americans would love to modernize their stuff. The darkness is not enough or they are saving for us. So our "obsolete" is for internal use. That is why they started talking. Now, as in the 90s, no one will sell for free. And sorry, secret. soldier
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 7 January 2016 08: 05
        15
        "Trash"?!
        Master attitude to your resources!
        All this "stuff" can go up in the air! It takes only a few hours to deactivate one aircraft.
        Excuse me, how long does it take to build one such aircraft?
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 8 January 2016 19: 56
          +1
          You greatly exaggerate the safety of these aircraft.
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 9 January 2016 10: 39
            0
            You greatly exaggerate the safety of these aircraft.
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            For your information, they are completely rolled up in plastic.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 14 January 2016 00: 51
              0
              you would read sopromat
      2. Yak28
        Yak28 7 January 2016 09: 21
        17
        What rubbish, at the US Air Force Base "Davis-Monten" thousands of aircraft, almost everything is in working condition. And we have to throw it in the trash, send it to the storage base. There was such a case that during the Chechen war, the General Staff decided to use inexpensive in maintenance of the Mig-27 and Su-17. When the military, along with the designers of the Mig-27, arrived at the storage base, they were shocked by the hundreds of dead planes that stood and rotted with worn out wiring, instead of competent conservation. watch. Migov 21 and 23, probably in the US more in working condition than ours
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 7 January 2016 10: 50
          +8
          By the beginning of the Chechen war, our "aircraft reserve bases (BRS)" had completely turned into "aircraft SEPARATION bases" and from the original 5 there were already 3!
          Of the more than 2500 aircraft, about 1000 remained unwritten, and then due to replenishment from the disbanded parts
        2. jPilot
          jPilot 8 January 2016 00: 11
          0
          At this it is practically impossible, and not because of distribution ... but because of our climatic conditions. I hope that the majority of people here are literate people and they know what fatigue and corrosion of a metal are and factors influencing them. Yes, and even with their amer storage bases where they are not exposed to such atmospheric conditions as in Russia, it is unlikely that after a couple of years of downtime a lot of equipment will rise even after a couple of hours. Even for this simple reason: in the summer, the flight engineer just wins off to clear the board of the nests, these flighty flyers manage to make a nest in half a day, and there’s not just where to get in to remove such factors
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 7 January 2016 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: dmi.pris
      breathing a second life into a rather outdated technique

      Soviet aircraft (glider and engine) have always been the best, far outstripping foreign models in their development. Here the on-board electronics "limped on both legs." So they were just perfected. good Designers set off! soldier
      1. yehat
        yehat 7 January 2016 19: 42
        +2
        how infuriating me is such a ur-patriotism belay
        well, it turns out that soviet planes always had better engines
        Well, tell that to the Lugg-3 pilots forced to fight the Bf-10fF4 and 109g2.
        After the war, we were still lagging behind in aerodynamics and, especially, in engines
        20 years later, created their own design and calculation system, started
        enter their calculation methods, which provided some advantage in the design of gliders. But I don’t remember a single period that the USSR really overtook in aircraft engines, because our engines were made only within the framework of narrow military orders, there was almost no exchange of experience, and civilians were usually slightly adapted and outdated military, and the engineering experimental base very poorly funded and supplied.
        learn the story !!!
        1. asher
          asher 8 January 2016 17: 01
          +5
          And after reading the enthusiasm, I would like to wish everyone - look for the vacancies of design engineers, look at the salaries that they offer and think for how long we will have people who are able to come up with and develop something more worthwhile.
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 7 January 2016 07: 22
    15
    ... but it took a long, tough fight.
    Alas, we only dream of peace. And no matter what, all the good breaks through. And let me wish you a Merry Christmas.
    Christmas has come to your house
    Happiness spilled around!
    Let the smiles soar in him
    And I also wish you:

    Kindness and beauty
    So that all dreams come true
    Let health not fail
    And good luck let it go!
    you m.
  • gormonix
    gormonix 7 January 2016 07: 22
    +6
    Elegant solution, beautiful.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 7 January 2016 07: 23
    +5
    SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the “stupid” bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when its uncontrolled flight will lead it exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters).


    A snack good the view from the ground on our military aircraft in SYRIA ... looks interesting .... a decent height ... it seems to go in a circle for refueling in the air.

    1. stargigant
      stargigant 7 January 2016 12: 59
      +4
      In the video, a cargo plane with ammunition flies to our army in Syria and 4 fighters accompany a cargo plane and are guarded. It is not necessary to refuel in the air, since Syria itself is not large in area, from east to west or from south to north in Syria the flight will take no more than 20 minutes. fighter and air does not make sense to refuel. It’s easier for them to make a landing and refuel.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 7 January 2016 16: 07
        +1
        In the video, a cargo plane with ammunition flies to our army in Syria and 4 fighters accompany a cargo plane and are guarded.


        thanks for the clarifications hi
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 7 January 2016 07: 23
    +7
    An interesting system .. I heard about it, but the article very clearly describes what it is. Bravo. I have a question for specialists. For Americans, the Lantirn plays about the same role. As far as I understand, our system is installed normally, but for NATO it is removable container. If I’m wrong, correct. Just a curious difference
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 7 January 2016 08: 00
      +1
      http://window.edu.ru/catalog/pdf2txt/089/26089/8984?p_page=5
      This is a link to the description. The volume of the article is large. But in principle this system is used together with guided air bombs.
  • gergi
    gergi 7 January 2016 07: 24
    +6
    Bright heads in our design bureaus. Ascetics and enthusiasts. On that stand. Humans are the main wealth of Russia!
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 7 January 2016 09: 58
      +7
      The heads are bright, they paid attention to how they introduced them? With a fight with matyuki. When will it end?
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 7 January 2016 14: 27
        0
        Quote: asiat_61
        When will it end?

        Apparently, when decisions will be made by people who understand technology and are concerned about increasing the combat readiness of the army. So far, to all appearances, the prevailing people are "not very competent", versed mainly in the ways of career growth. sad
        There were so many stories with very important and very stupid inspectors "from above", but one general surpassed all. The conversation was conducted almost literally according to an anecdote about "radio stations on armored personnel carriers." laughing
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 January 2016 07: 26
    +2
    "So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the military."
    But is the light elf present (scary to say!) Corruption? What a nightmare! belay How to live now !? crying What to believe !!? request
    1. uragan114
      uragan114 7 January 2016 09: 18
      +6
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      "So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the military."
      But is the light elf present (scary to say!) Corruption? What a nightmare! belay How to live now !? crying What to believe !!? request


      They call it the beautiful word "lobby" wink
    2. Edvagan
      Edvagan 7 January 2016 13: 14
      0
      so if the Americans took the path of hanging $ 25 apiece on old system bombs, is that corruption or not?))))))) How many devices do you need to release for each bomb during the Cold War?
      Despite our corruption, we were still able to choose the best solution. Than to rot and self-explode in warehouses, it’s better to put junk on a good cause. We are disposing of them in Syria, and even really.
      But American corruption did not allow its to go the same way.
  • TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 7 January 2016 07: 26
    18
    It’s just a normal result when specialists solve the problem. Compare with RUSNANO - officials solve the problem there. In addition to cutting, nothing happens.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 7 January 2016 07: 39
      +7
      It seems that RUSNANO was created only for "cutting"!
    2. Gani
      Gani 7 January 2016 08: 24
      +9
      Somehow I visited the site there were posted vacancies: a broker is a specialist in package investment and a specialist in robots for scalping on the stock exchange. Here is such a specular ... It was after Chubais reported on the investment of 12 billion in the production of basalt fittings and promised that 2 plants would be launched within 5 years. this armature is a cool thing., but it was innovative 20 years ago and it has been used in the Russian Federation for 10 years and many people offer turnkey plants for any capacity to design and build in a period of 8 to 36 months and judging by the advertising 5-10 times cheaper at the same power than Chubais invested ...
    3. maiman61
      maiman61 7 January 2016 09: 00
      11
      We ran with an energy-saving light bulb and a cell phone a few years ago and now it's silent! And how much money they sawed, I think even trillions of rubles! And these Chinese bulbs and phones in the garage rivets and sells around the world!
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 7 January 2016 11: 43
        +1
        Energy-saving light bulbs - this is the day before yesterday.
        Even age-old grandparents are already buying LEDs
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 7 January 2016 13: 18
          0
          That's for sure. Just BB! I bought 5 LED bulbs, made in Hong Kong, a great thing!
        2. Starik72
          Starik72 8 January 2016 14: 40
          +1
          Some kind of "patriot" gave me a minus, apparently for the fact that I bought LED bulbs made in Hong Kong. I will answer this "patriot": I just bought it because OUR similar products were not on sale. And these LED bulbs are really good and they glow fine and the energy savings are great.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 7 January 2016 07: 27
    +1
    What is characteristic of ours. An engineering solution is both cheaper and more efficient. That according to the article of adversaries - they can praise. And then they will make a conclusion - to play more and faster.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 7 January 2016 09: 30
      +4
      Quote: Korsar4
      What is characteristic of ours. An engineering solution is both cheaper and more efficient.


      That's for sure. Like a pencil in space :)
  • midivan
    midivan 7 January 2016 07: 28
    +4
    belay and a pack of parliament in the photo (at MAX) I hope to compare the sizes (then Cosmos needs a pack, otherwise it’s not patriotic like that laughing )? or am I not catching up with something ???
  • i80186
    i80186 7 January 2016 07: 28
    10
    . They fly even at night and in bad weather. This is even more surprising when you consider that most of the work is done by the Su-24 (taken into service in 1974) and the Su-25 (taken into service in 1981).

    That's as always. It means that they do the main work F-15 (1976), A-10 (1977) and F-16 (1979) - this is normal and does not bother anyone. laughing
  • ovod84
    ovod84 7 January 2016 07: 29
    33
    The guys are off topic, on behalf of all Muslims I congratulate you on the holiday of Christmas, may good luck always be with you.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 7 January 2016 07: 31
    +3
    There was an article here that at first the Hephaestus system was delivered to Algeria since 2001, and only because of this (Hephaestus had many opponents in the Ministry of Defense) in 2008 Hephaestus was adopted by us.
    1. family tree
      family tree 7 January 2016 09: 33
      +6
      Quote: Stas157
      There was an article here that at first the Hephaestus system was delivered to Algeria since 2001, and only because of this (Hephaestus had many opponents in the Ministry of Defense) in 2008 Hephaestus was adopted by us.

      The first modernized Su-24M2, with SVP-24, entered the 4th Center for Combat Use and Flight Training in Lipetsk in 1999. Work with the Ministry of Defense on SVP-24 began in 1996, and despite the fact that the Algerian contract worked perfectly, the program was closed in 2002. After the "competitors" screwed up on the exercises "Rubezh-2005, in 2006, the Ministry of Defense concludes a new contract with" Gefest and T. "In 2008, the SVP-24 is put into service. In 2010:
      "Deputy Minister of Defense Vladimir Popovkin refused the funding for the modernization of the Su-24M combat front-line bombers planned for next year with their specialized computing subsystem SVP-24, despite the decision at the level of the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force on the need for such an upgrade."

      but nothing happened request And then there was tremendous success at MAKS 2013 and things went. In general, Ad and Israel what
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 January 2016 07: 33
    +5
    So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the armed forces.


    Unfortunately, undercover people exist in all structures and areas, including the RF Armed Forces.

    And there were bright heads, are, and will always be in Russia.
    1. max702
      max702 7 January 2016 14: 25
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Unfortunately, undercover people exist in all structures and areas, including the RF Armed Forces.

      Here, in theory, the work of counterintelligence is needed ... For as it is suspicious, the device that increases combat effectiveness by an order of magnitude dynamically and slows down ... so it is necessary to voice the names and positions of "brakes" and ask, financial interest or something worse .. BUT then 99% of officials our state-va should be asked .. Both in the civilian sector and in the military.
  • Federal
    Federal 7 January 2016 07: 37
    +7
    For a simple layman, like me, for example, not thoroughly versed in military weapons, the article is simply beautiful, intelligible and understandable.
    In conclusion, I note that not everything in the Russian army is pink and perfect. The company producing SVP-24 had to recover money from the Ministry of Defense through the courts, and the ministry itself had many opponents of SVP-24 (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors). Ultimately, the problems were resolved, and SVP-24 was delivered in large numbers, but this required a long and tough fight. So, as in the United States, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the armed forces.

    But those who get confused in their legs and interfere with our defense industry and the modern rearmament of the army, my personal opinion, "the forehead with green paint and against the wall," and in general, the General Staff would not hurt to take such scientific developments under personal control and introduce them into the army for the good of the homeland.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 7 January 2016 07: 44
    +3
    The system constantly monitors the position of the tar and the target (using GLONASS), measures pressure, humidity, wind and aircraft speed, flight direction. She may receive additional information from AWACS aircraft, ground stations, and other aircraft. SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the “stupid” bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when her uncontrolled flight will lead her exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters).
    Previously, all this was done by the navigator. At such speeds and mixing so much information could only be performed by a "navigator from God" or "sniper pilot". A good system, the main thing is its versatility, which allows it to be installed on airplanes, helicopters, ... and work with various ammunition (weight, gliding ability, ....)
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 7 January 2016 08: 13
      +2
      Dear "Board Radio Operator" - earlier and communication was conducted by the radio operator smile and worked on a key +++ (respect)
      And now - a "turntable" with a channel and PTT switch ...
      I do not argue "smart assistants" are necessary, but the head must be trained and be able to do hands without assistants
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 7 January 2016 13: 30
        +1
        Quote: Just BB
        before and the communication was led by a flight attendant smile and worked on the key +++ (respect)
        And now - a "turntable" with a channel and PTT switch ...

        Previously, there was also a tangent, now a morse, I wonder, do they know? or is it for most ZAS winked . I remember navigators with a slide rule determined the reset point. Computers, encryptors are wonderful, but the elementary basic skills of war of all kinds should not be forgotten. Manual control should always be. /---/-.- /
      2. max702
        max702 7 January 2016 14: 29
        +1
        Quote: Just BB
        I do not argue "smart assistants" are necessary, but the head must be trained and be able to do hands without assistants

        Alas, under current conditions and with those requirements for efficiency, preparation of such a level is too complicated, expensive, and time-consuming .. Just to remove these factors, these aiming devices were developed .. The British do not clean their guns with a brick! (C)
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 8 January 2016 05: 07
          0
          So with all pilots, navigators higher education category engineer. And they sometimes "two by two" can’t decide!
  • Just BB
    Just BB 7 January 2016 07: 46
    +9
    It has already been confirmed that SVP-24 are installed on the Russian Su-24, Su-25, Tu-22M3, Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters, deserved MIG-27,


    Where did the author see the MIG-27 in the Russian Air Force ??? Those beer cans that left the 27th have long decayed.
    In general, the guys were great - they managed to get this junk: I at least remember this air-blast MP from my cadet years (well done! No wonder they put a pack of cigarettes - maybe I didn’t remember it)
    A curious poster in the article - the phrase: "Reducing the preparation time for departure by 5-6 times" belay
    Almost like a car: I turned on the autostart from home, drank some coffee, jumped into the car and drove off!
    The main preparation time is determined by the time of refueling and suspension of the ammunition.
    And if they wrote about the time of entering information - then, alas, alas! What have you been doing for 25 years?

    Threat. Once again you can not click the button - mine "jacket with pagons" long hanging in the closet
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 January 2016 07: 50
    +8
    and perfect. The company producing the SVP-24 was supposed to collect money from the Ministry of Defense through the courts, and the ministry itself had many opponents of the SVP-24

    A good engineering solution, brilliant in its simplicity and efficiency. And the fight against the "sawmills" who wanted to attach 25 thousand greens to each bomb! It is difficult to imagine how much money (fountain!) Could be cut. After such a "decision", the GDP would hardly have started joking that the operation in Syria does not go beyond our defense budget ...
    I believe that those who invented and "broke through" this system, having saved huge funds for the Motherland (not only put old stocks of bombs into operation, but also returning the well-deserved aircraft to service), deserve a state award!
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 7 January 2016 08: 28
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I believe that those who invented and "broke through" this system, having saved huge funds for the Motherland (not only put old stocks of bombs into operation, but also returning the well-deserved aircraft to service), deserve a state award!

      They really deserve state awards.
      1. max702
        max702 7 January 2016 14: 32
        0
        Quote: Stinger
        They really deserve state awards.

        Would give them 0.01% of the savings and welcome to the Forbes list! Deserve it!
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 7 January 2016 11: 46
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the fight against the "sawmen" who wanted to attach 25 thousand greens to each bomb

      Is it so difficult to calculate and punish these "sawmakers"? To the fullest extent of the Law, for undermining the combat readiness of the Armed Forces! And for an attempt at outright theft!
  • Erg
    Erg 7 January 2016 07: 56
    +4
    Thanks to the author. All members of the same site with Merry Christmas! smile
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 7 January 2016 08: 30
    +3
    Now it is clear why the entire "democratic world" together with the main "democratizer" does not howl at the entire universe in their media that Russia is bombing only civilians in Syria, schools, hospitals and kindergartens. In the first week of the Russian operation in Syria, Western journalists seemed to start screaming on the Euronews TV channel about the bombing of peaceful neighborhoods, but then they realized that they themselves sat down in a muddy pool of their own lies and shut their mouths. But according to the Russian proverb, you can't hide an awl in a sack, and the world will find out who is really bombing hospitals, power plants (in peaceful territory) and weddings.
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 7 January 2016 08: 33
    +1
    (surelydue to the influence of corrupt competitors). Ultimately, the problems were resolved, and SVP-24 was delivered in large numbers, but this required a long and tough fight. So, as in the USA, corruption in Russia remains one of the most dangerous enemies of the armed forces.

    First a guess, and then an accusation based on your own assumption. And nobody has canceled the presumption of innocence yet. In the states, the word corruption has been replaced by lobbying. But we have the same situation. I remember that Tupolev also "lobbied" his design bureau, and, for example, the ingenious "weaving" of Sukhoi was not allowed close to serial production.

    And the idea of ​​installing a guidance system (via satellite) on an airplane, and not on every bomb - is logical and ingenious in simplicity. I just assume that it is inferior in accuracy to systems, we install individually on bombs. And then the Ministry of Defense decides what funds should be spent for the necessary (and sufficient) accuracy of the use of powerful, but outdated ammunition.
    1. maximon2005
      maximon2005 7 January 2016 09: 22
      +6
      He didn’t exactly write. Corruption is not entirely to blame. We made 2 systems of Hussar and Hephaestus and there was a struggle which to establish. Ultimately, Hephaestus SVP-24 won.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 7 January 2016 10: 12
        +3
        BMP-3 with whom competed for more than ten years? They drove abroad and in our army there were prototypes. It was outdated while the tests passed. That's where Bobik was buried.
      2. opus
        opus 7 January 2016 18: 40
        +2
        Quote: maximon2005
        and there was a struggle to establish what. Ultimately, Hephaestus SVP-24 won.

        Since 24, Gefest and T has been working with the Ministry of Defense under the SVP-1996 program. In 2002, the program was closed. And this is despite the fact that the Hephaestus performed well on the 1999 Algerian contract for the modernization of the Su-24. According to the management of the company, the matter was that the development of "Hephaestus" was three times cheaper than the product of a competing company and it was difficult to cut the "budget" on it. Realizing that you can't cook porridge with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the developers of the future super system filed a lawsuit against the army in order to return the money invested in the development (they were never paid off).

        After 4 years of gossip, the army was forced to pay 50 million rubles to Hephaestus.


        Then the "competitors" screwed up with their "product" during the exercises "Frontier 2005".

        Reconciled.

        At the end of 2010, 10 Su-24 aircraft and one Tu-22M3 were modernized. Modernization options were developed for the Mig-27, Su-25, A-50 aircraft (AWACS aircraft based on the Il-76), L-39 and the Ka-50 helicopter. But at the end of 2010, the MO decided close the program again. belay

        "Deputy Minister of Defense Vladimir Popovkin refused the funding planned for next year modernization of combat front-line bombers Su-24M with equipping them with specialized computing subsystem SVP-24, despite the decision at the level of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief on the need for such modernization».

        And then there was a huge success at MAX 2013 and it went.
  • midshipman
    midshipman 7 January 2016 08: 43
    +6
    In addition to this article, if you are interested, please look in "VO" for my article "The task of increasing the accuracy of missile and bomb strikes." I have the honor.
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 7 January 2016 09: 12
      +2
      Self-promotion)))) Creative drinks
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 January 2016 09: 32
    0
    Tagil! I mean - well done! :)
  • Leprekon
    Leprekon 7 January 2016 09: 54
    +2
    The toad is pressing! Of course, after all, the Americans twist the light bulb according to the scheme "one on a chair with a light bulb and four twist the chair", and the Russians simply "lowered the lampshade" and "twisted the light bulb".
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 7 January 2016 09: 58
    +5
    Our denyuh on R&D, and dreaming to allow it to the fullest. We engineer such that we’ll goof when we fly, swim, or go laughing
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 7 January 2016 10: 42
      0
      And who will put forward the technical conditions?
      Those - who, with all honest people, sawed "black boxes"?
      So again, the "locomotive" will turn out
      1. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 7 January 2016 10: 57
        0
        There would be a GOAL, and to whom there would be a competent technical task.
        not all black boxes like to cut.
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 7 January 2016 11: 52
          +2
          And where is the Air Force Engineering Academy named after Professor N.E. Zhukovsky?
          (really - "in Karaganda!") Together with the Gagarin Academy, territorially in Voronezh (based on the rear aviation school)
          And to whom what to write, publish am
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 January 2016 10: 09
    +4
    "Instead of putting a device on every bomb and losing it every time, the Russians put a JDAM type device, but on an airplane" ////

    And if you think? smile

    JDAM is a bomb tail attachment that includes a seeker, a mini-engine and wings for steering the bomb right on target.

    And in Russian airplanes - a calculator sight. It allows you to fire a bomb at the right time.
    And the accuracy of the hit already depends on the ballistics of the fall of the bomb itself.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 7 January 2016 10: 39
      +1
      And if you think about it? smile


      So it hurts !!!
      I agree that it is more convenient to control the rocket in battle than the whole Katyusha. But the "grandfather's coat" was taken out of the "bins" and it should be sold very profitably!
      In general, it's funny: to throw from a great height (5000 meters), in a real atmosphere, a freely falling blank and hit the top ten.
      Although for OFAB-250 with its 100 kg of explosives is not so critical: +50 m -50 meters
    2. opus
      opus 7 January 2016 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And if you think?

      Different things. in the absolute. especially if REALLY think
      JDAM - a set of equipment based GPS / ANN technologytransforming existing free-falling bombs into all-weather, adjustable munitions.
      Kit cost from $ 35000 to 70000 $.
      And he (the kit) dies, along with the bomb.
      KVO 11 m and minus.

      "GEFEST and T" svp 24 (ROC "Metronome") carries out the positioning of the ammunition carrier and dozens of physical and technical parameters of the environment and the aircraft itself. Using the GLONASS global positioning system, the target positioning and the carrier are connected. That is, the plane is displayed at the desired point and performs bombing virtually under computer control.

      the specified accuracy of bombing (for the FAB-500 4-7 meters) is achieved at altitudes of 5-6 km

      The kit does not die
      The cost of work (ROC "Metronome") amounted to 42 million rubles. in 2008, that is, 3,8 million for one aircraft (in 2009 already 3,5 million). As of April 15, 2010 for two sets ATI: 50,4 million rubles
      The composition of each kit:
      • complex of onboard equipment KBO SVP-24, including:
      o small-sized programmable input-output device UVV-MP;
      o specialized radio navigation system SRNS-24;
      o video processing unit “Obzor-RVB-T”;
      o collimator aircraft indicator KAI-24;
      o special calculator on-board SV-24;
      o indicator OR4-TM;
      o solid-state drive with service software TBN-K-2)
      • single spare part KBO SVP-24,
      • property for installing KBO SVP-24 on board,
      • property for connecting KBO SVP-24 on board (set of harnesses of KBO SVP-24).
      In addition, under the terms of both tenders, the delivery was planned:
      • one set of group spare parts spare parts and accessories, CBO SVP-24,
      • ASEK-24 automated operational control system complete with a portable laptop, radio station R-853-B2M and a single spare part,
      • ASPPD-24 automated flight data preparation system (without a recording and playback device UZK-1 (IVA-01)) complete with a portable laptop, radio station R-853-B2M and a single spare part.


      Agree:

      Cheap and cheerful (like a frying pan under the ass of our "yogi")


      Well, or a superfood ballpoint pen for zero gravity (USA) and .... and a slate pencil from us.
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 8 January 2016 20: 06
      0
      You do not understand, the logical development of this system will be combat drones.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 January 2016 10: 11
    +1
    Another JDAM image
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 7 January 2016 15: 29
      +2
      Each of these solutions has its pros and cons. If the object is protected by an electronic warfare complex, will JDAM remain operational at low altitudes?
      1. opus
        opus 7 January 2016 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: TOR2
        Will JDAM work at low altitudes?

        will be saved.
        jam the GPS signal from the satellite at altitudes of 20000 km-24000 km for an object located above the REP complex (flying to the object) or distort the correction signal from the gunner (also flying)




        You can ONLY if you place the REP complex m / y with a satellite (gunner) and a falling bomb.
        Yes and ...
        it will not give much (instead of 6-11 m, it will be 20-50m).
        mk in JDAM, in addition to GPS and Data Link corrections, the basic (main) - ANN platform based on a gyroscope based on Honeywell HG1700 ring rings / Ring Laser Gyro (RLG) /

        You cannot suppress him, are you?
    2. opus
      opus 7 January 2016 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Another JDAM image

      better list what "burns out"

      GPS receiver (powered by US Air Force Navstar GPS) or GEM-III receiver, differential GPS or GATS platform, all entrails Mil-Std-1760 (umbilical interface), Mil-Std-1553B (digital multiplex bus), KLG Honeywell HG1700 ( Ring Laser Gyro (RLG)) or what is now instead of him on VOG /
      Well, the whole tuning


      Expensive?
      And how!
      Stupid (compared to the Metronome OCD) - the stump is clear.
      The only advantage?
      can do this:

      But this is still in perspective
  • Edvid
    Edvid 7 January 2016 10: 12
    +1
    It is known that for the destruction of armored vehicles created and continue to improve many different systems of cumulative ammunition. Accordingly, the creators of armored vehicles improve their armor protection from them.
    It is strange that no portable or individual thermal-lesion systems are visible. After all, practice has shown that thermal weapons are the most effective means of destroying any equipment and manpower. A drop of burning termite has a temperature of more than 3500 degrees. When it gets onto a tank, for example, it easily melts any material, just like a drop of molten lead, butter ... At the same time, no protection can save it. And this was proved back in World War II. In the USSR, in a small number of cases, such ammunition was used at the end of the war. In particular, in memoirs
    V. Reshetnikova is mentioned about this.
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 7 January 2016 13: 06
      +5
      Not certainly in that way.
      Burned through the armor of German tanks beginning of the war. Light tanks.
      Thermite mixtures like "molten lead oil" will not melt the armor. And the lead in a frozen bar of butter will cool down pretty quickly.
      Thermite device weighing half a kilogram is able to melt about 9-11 mm of armor steel. At the same time, the process is extended in time - therefore, it should be fixed on the object.
      Now the thickness of the upper armor plates of most combat vehicles more.
      Termite mixtures are currently used in incendiary ammunition, for generally fixed objects (targets).
      1. crambol
        crambol 8 January 2016 18: 15
        +1
        Specialist a deep bow!
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 7 January 2016 10: 14
    +2
    Well, they say correctly-Americans are stupid !!! Each bomb is upgraded. Although, maybe it's just one of the types of cut dollars they have? They are good at it.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 7 January 2016 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: Vadim12
      Well, they say correctly-Americans are stupid !!! Each bomb is upgraded.

      Unfortunately, we have enough such examples in domestic politics and in civilian production.
      I remembered the joke.
      The Russians created the world's best SUV.
      Japan's Reaction - "Instead of building roads, Russians are building SUVs."
  • kush62
    kush62 7 January 2016 10: 31
    +2
    It turns out that it is not necessary to dispose of old ammunition (and this is also finances)
    It is much better to throw Igil-terrorists on their heads.
    And this is the most offensive for the "democratizers" of the whole world. Raised, nurtured and now their fruits are consumed.
  • papanya59
    papanya59 7 January 2016 10: 47
    +1
    Quote: Mahmut
    Mother Russia, has always been famous for its talents!

    It's right. It is a pity that they still cannot invent a device for high-precision detection of corrupt officials.

    There are such "devices" in Russia (TFR, FSB, etc.), the point is in people who take readings from these "devices" and give appropriate instructions!
  • goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx 7 January 2016 11: 14
    +5
    I would say that Soviet science by inertia allowed Russia to get to such a result, but what’s next, let’s see, now it’s just such a moment that the result will soon be visible, but the result so far we have seen is Soviet technology improved with new features - lotions that started their way in the calculations still Soviet science
  • tuareg56
    tuareg56 7 January 2016 13: 34
    0
    He himself served in the Air Force. I read the article with enthusiasm. What good fellows are our engineers, technicians, designers. Such a tool was given to our glorious pilots, just lovely. As for the scum who impedes the process of building up the power of our Armed Forces - here is the word for the Specialists. May God give me patience and strength. For work, comrades !!!
  • Starik72
    Starik72 7 January 2016 13: 36
    +2
    I am not a specialist and will not comment on this article. I’ll just write, no matter what obstacles they put, Russian engineering thought WAS, IS, and WILL BE. And this is not to be taken from our people to anyone.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 7 January 2016 14: 10
    +2
    Yeah ... We still have a lot of "moles" in the Ministry of Defense who work for their own pocket, and not for the needs of the country. I just want to say: "Stalin is not on you, you bastards!" am
  • DIMbor
    DIMbor 7 January 2016 14: 52
    0
    I read the article with pleasure and made my son. Russian ingenuity, intelligence and quick wits are ahead of the rest.
  • Lucy
    Lucy 7 January 2016 15: 32
    +1
    Posted by The Saker
    .... In any case, I hope that this tour “under the hood” was interesting to you.

    the author, and with what "boorish brat" you consulted before publishing an article!
    You know at least this! If not. First, with cadets at the Department of BPASP.

    hi
    1. opus
      opus 7 January 2016 18: 34
      +3
      Quote: lusya
      You know at least this!

      but where does "Spatial aiming scheme for bombing from horizontal flight with a crosswind" and the topic of the article about SVP-24?
      Let me give you an aiming diagram of a navigator for diving with a crosswind

      or the pilot’s sighting scheme for the moment of a dive bomb

      ?
      the point is that "it is not necessary already" to apply the flight profile and the bombing scheme when leaving the clouds (as an example)


      ====================
      Prior to SVP-24, any modernization of aiming systems was along the line of more accurate positioning GOALS.

      Developers from the company "GEFEST and T" pushed from the opposite: from positioning the ammunition carrier and dozens of physical and technical parameters of the environment and the aircraft itself. Using the GLONASS global positioning system, the target and carrier positioning are combined. That is, the plane is displayed at the desired point and performs bombing virtually under computer control.
      1. Lucy
        Lucy 7 January 2016 23: 31
        +1
        The question is not for you!
        You probably have not seen (the urn in the smoking room) the tail of the AB. What is a wind rose vertically, do you know anyone, what determines it? The accuracy of determining altitude, speed, according to Glonass? Speed ​​700km / h = 195 m / s! I assume that the CSS on the DISS is considered.
        If the battery was in the shape of a ball, then with 5000m, KVO 10m, this is an accident even on the couch!
        In the subject dangers hang noodles.
        1. opus
          opus 8 January 2016 00: 30
          0
          Quote: lusya
          The question is not for you!

          Is there a ban (site rules) on the answer to me?
          No? ---> "Lyusya" are free.
          Quote: lusya
          What is a wind rose vertically, do you know anyone, what determines it?

          I don’t know about the urn, the rest is familiar. Then what?

          Quote: lusya
          In the subject dangers hang noodles.

          To lie, to tell fables, to fill in such that the ears fade. Moreover, they usually remember noodles in those cases when lies are not malicious, but from an excess of imagination, a desire to laugh or just to scratch the tongue.
          In any case, this does not apply either to the author or to the topic.
          And Lucy dunno got cold and brought a picture that was not relevant to the topic.
          I brought 3 or 4.
          Next what "Lyusya"? run down the branches, give me a couple more cons?
          1. Lucy
            Lucy 8 January 2016 10: 27
            +1
            And for what OPB did the broad-based OPUS specialist (commentator on everything) recount during bombing? What CVT and what does OPB consider? There is a lot of information on the Internet for couch specialists, including pictures, but to find out whether he passed the VLK (what is written on the last page of the medical book of f.№3, and he saw it whenever he was), whether he used TSA, or serviced AB, or maybe just chatting, is quite real!

            And where are the comments of the dezh. forecaster to " The accuracy of determining altitude, speed, according to Glonass? Speed ​​700km / h = 195 m / s! I assume that the CSS on the DISS is considered.
            If the battery was in the shape of a ball, then with 5000m, KVO 10m,
            it's an accident even on the couch! "
            And then pictures with blocks and bespectacled from the Internet can throw!

            Next what "Lyusya"? .... I have a couple more cons?
            I have the pros and cons on the drum! In this topic there is not even a superficial comment of the navigator. Probably celebrate. Or maybe they understood that specialists of a wide profile, the site turned into a garbage can.

            run down the branches
            This is a diagnosis comrade Napoleon.
            1. opus
              opus 8 January 2016 15: 44
              -1
              Quote: lusya
              And for what OPB a broad-based OPUS specialist (commentator in all)

              I "just know a lot" and do not belong to the Top 10 (as you probably do)


              And not "all" - do not distort, it is not ethical

              Quote: lusya
              Or maybe they understood that specialists of a wide profile, the site turned into a garbage can

              So fix the "narrow profile special"!
              Who interferes?
              Or are you just:

              ?

              =========================================
              And again I repeat:
              I definitely won’t ask you what should I do, who should I write / answer, and what should I discuss!
              Alles Klaer?
              Oder, soll Ich noch mall fuer Extrapenner wiederhollen?
              1. Lucy
                Lucy 8 January 2016 21: 44
                +1
                All clear.
                They didn’t trust such warriors in the Air Force! Do you even know where on the RLE, podcasts, techniques for BPASP is the signature stamp of owls. secretly.
                For those with a lot of knowledge and who are interested in the navigator's work process before entering the combat course, I recommend starting with theoretical mechanics (accelerated Coriolis) and technical. mechanics (what equations and what variator counts in OPB-15), then PNS-24 (M) "Puma" "Tiger", and then Hefest. Only this is not on the Internet. Therefore, given that you are young, rude and smart, study the pictures, then the device and principle of operation of the VD-20, CSS, look on the Internet for the value = mm.rt.st = in relation to the meters. Read definitions, flat terrain, hilly terrain. This is in order to understand how easily and quickly recalculate the height at W speed height to reset the disc, even the American Intel.
                Remember Wednesday. school, Doppler, otherwise I did not see in your subject comments on the topic whether DISS-7 is part of the hephaestus.
                Continue in the same spirit. on the same couch!

                For orus and similar Internet specialists.
                JDAM from cast iron makes AB controlled. 3 steered planes were attached to the tail part, for correction of the AB flight along the GP and VP.
                The Reset command goes through an electrical circuit, but the AB is uncoupled mechanically. Let me remind you that W = 700km / h = 175m / s, and even if in a vacuum the ball is dropped from H = 3000m without taking into account errors in height, speed, and accuracy of determining the coordinates of the Su-24m and the target, the speed of calculating the differential. Equation of the digital computer, the CVO will not fit into 5 meters.
                1. opus
                  opus 10 January 2016 15: 30
                  0
                  Quote: lusya
                  They didn’t trust such warriors in the Air Force!

                  Lucien (by the way, I want to ask everyone: are you a hermaphrodite or a polymorph?):
                  1. I’m not in the Air Force, and did not serve in the Air Force, my VUS is different.
                  However, I will not ask any pennera (repeat again) permission to express their opinions.
                  2.Tse is not an air force site specialized, relax your sf *** p
                  Quote: lusya
                  3 steered planes were attached to the tail part, for correction of the AB flight along the GP and VP.

                  Well, you can see the excitement of something offended by impotent.
                  Do not strain so lusya.
                  A discrete CL as part of a GLA can be considered as part of a VFAR, in which, instead of a power division system with forced energy propagation along the feeder, switching is used with natural energy propagation along the beam ... signals from the Rogowski coil and from photocells are received, since the discharge was a powerful source of electromagnetic interference , to ensure synchronization of pulsed processes, measures were taken to mitigate these noises.The minimum recorded by the schlieren method, the integral over the beam, the transverse concentration gradient was ~ 1018 cm-3 for electrons, ~ 2 1019 cm-3 for neon atoms. For plasma interferometry, the parameter over the exposure time) of the distributions of electron concentrations Ne, was limited from below by the recorded shift of the interference fringes, and from above by the superposition of fringes and was for the path ~ $ Nedx along the beam 1017 - 2 20 cm'2
                  Brad pit?
                  Well, yes.
                  Wanted to fuck ....? Well yes. What did you show?
                  The inferiority complex and nothing more.
                  Repetition
                  Quote: opus
                  Alles Klaer?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 January 2016 15: 53
    -2
    But with an increase in aircraft speed, a delay in a bomb drop of one second could lead to a bomb drop at 600-800 meters from the target.


    That is, the plane flies 900 km / h = 250 m / s or so, and the bomb drops 1-3 times further when the reset time error is 4 second. It’s not funny to myself.
    1. opus
      opus 7 January 2016 23: 23
      -1
      Quote: EvilLion
      It’s not funny to myself.

      Not not funny

      Linear (relative to ground) aircraft speed
      Quote: EvilLion
      = 250 m / s

      vertical speed (approach speed with the Earth, relative to the horizontal flight of the aircraft) = (excluding air resistance, see below)

      below:
      The time of the fall of a bomb in a void dropped from a height of 2000 m during horizontal flight is 20,193 sec., I.e. V = 99,04 m / s, if you have not forgotten the maximum allowable 140 or 170 m / s

      It is impossible to express the air resistance force with a simple and accurate formula based on theoretical conclusions. As a rule, a coefficient is introduced that determines the ballistic quality of the bomb.
      Yes figs with him. Although there is still a lifting force on the cn bomb.
      Sighting scheme for horizontal bomber bombing


      A = S - D = VT - D; tgj = A / H = (VT - D) / H;
      count for T and count for t = T + 1sec
      take height 5000-6000 m
      and you will be surprised.

      Although in reality it does not happen as above, but according to the spatial sighting scheme for horizontal bombing with side wind

      those. miss count on hypotenuse
      h = sqrt (x * x + y * y);
      x = c1 and y = c2.
      h-miss (in the diagram this is a segment CM1)

      MAY BE EVEN MORE THAN
      Quote: Author
      600-800 meters from the target.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 8 January 2016 05: 48
        0
        I understand a lot of beautiful pictures and even "You know the notes" (according to Zhvanetsky).
        But from the fact that even if you buy a cool riflescope with a smoothbore gun, shooting from it with a bullet will be much worse than from a rifled shotgun at a distance of 150 meters.

        There is no doubt that it is necessary to increase the accuracy characteristics of sighting equipment. More on MIG-25RB (the only bomber in the world without a sight!) This problem was successfully solved: OFAB-500 navigation bombing was carried out from altitudes of 20 meters with a maximum deviation of 000 meters from the target !!!
        So this is the 70s !!!
        And what is displayed on the stands - today shame and shame on engineering (Today, this SUBSYSTEM should be the size of that pack of cigarettes which is shown in the photo, maximum block)
        1. opus
          opus 8 January 2016 15: 40
          +1
          Quote: Just BB
          I understand a lot of beautiful pictures and even "You know the notes" (according to Zhvanetsky).

          I can not understand you.
          It is necessary to substantiate your idea to pour out a lot of water "bla0bla0bla" is there nothing?
          If there is a picture, according to which everything is clear to the "reasonable".
          What is the reproach?
          Quote: Just BB
          if you buy a cool riflescope with a smoothbore gun, shooting from it with a bullet will be much worse than from a rifled vinar at a distance of 150 meters.

          1. And here is a free-falling AB and a gun / screw cutter?
          2.About the accuracy does not agree bullet-arrow cartridge ZENIT:

          300 m better than rifled
          Quote: Just BB
          the only bomber in the world without a sight!

          the only scout in the world carrying an AB (including YaAB):
          Designed for airborne photo and radio reconnaissance and striking areal ground targets.

          Quote: Just BB
          So this is the 70s !!!

          1.Nefiga she did not dare
          y MiG-25RB used navigation bombing system "Peleng-D" or "Peleng-DR", which included high-precision inertial navigation equipment (published by "Anis-8"), Doppler drift meter DISS-3s (later DISS-7) and onboard computer TsVM-10-155 "Orbita-155". To increase the accuracy of dropping bombs on the latest versions of the aircraft, the modernized system "Peleng-DM"
          Quote: Just BB
          the only bomber in the world without a sight!

          Yes fool
          "without sight"
          2. The task of the 25th was different (at least read the reports)
          Quote: Just BB
          (today this SUBSystem should be the size of that pack of cigarettes which is in the photo, maximum block) cigarettes

          with what fright?
          For our EB. That’s enough.
          Let me remind you of the F – 22 Raptor until recently (until upgrade Block 30/35 from 2013, if I didn’t forget) all avionics on the Intel 960mx processor, developed in 1984, production in the USA was then at the standards 1000-1500nm (nobody really buzzed about the Americans putting backward electronics on airplanes)
  • Centurion1
    Centurion1 7 January 2016 16: 42
    +2
    Everything is always the same ... Koshkin also semi-illegally did his T-34. With the gun ZIS-3 is the same.
  • slon-1671
    slon-1671 7 January 2016 17: 46
    +1
    I’ve always said that what is shown at exhibitions is put up for sale, and not for the boasting of military engineers. BERRIES are always classified.
  • gorvas
    gorvas 7 January 2016 19: 01
    +4
    paraphrasing the well-known saying "the rich have their own lives", I want to say - "the poor have their own lives",
    ps Vladimir Vladimirovich, push them in black, except for strength - no one respects anything!
  • akm8226
    akm8226 7 January 2016 19: 17
    0
    Does anyone still doubt that Soviet engineers can do anything?
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 8 January 2016 02: 09
      +3
      Quote: akm8226
      Does anyone still doubt that Soviet engineers can do anything?
      No, there is no doubt.
      The trouble is that Soviet engineers are ending.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 8 January 2016 05: 50
        0
        and their element base was much more "weighty" ...
  • Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 7 January 2016 19: 51
    0
    25 thousand bucks for a bomb sight! I would have strangled myself in the place of the Americans!
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 7 January 2016 20: 46
      +2
      Having a printing press on hand? I would be glad that so little paper and ink was gone!
  • NordUral
    NordUral 7 January 2016 21: 19
    0
    Designed and made perfectly. But it would be better to do all this silently, without boasting, it is more useful for the country and business.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 7 January 2016 22: 13
    +2
    Quote: DarkRiver
    Quote: atalef

    I do not believe. that ordinary fabs (uncontrollable) can hit targets (with a bombing altitude of 5000m) with an accuracy of 3-5 m.

    Here you are not alone. Janes also did not believe when they analyzed the joint Russian-Belarusian exercises. Their experts concluded that some new type of guided bombs was used in the exercises, but everything turned out to be more prosaic, as SVP-24 was circled there

    I don’t understand why you are surprised. From a height of 5000 m. Hit the target? Yes, any competent artilleryman, knowing the air temperature, humidity, wind, pressure, and the same parameters at different heights, for which special probes are launched, given the size and temperature of the charge, knowing the coordinates of the target, well, and much more, it will hit it from a distance of 20 km And this is from a closed position without seeing the target with an ordinary projectile. My father told me about this 35 years ago, and he was the best in art in his military district. shooting. And it was calculated without any computers, manually, a maximum calculator and a special slide rule. With the current development of technology, I do not see anything surprising.
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 7 January 2016 22: 28
    0
    The development is of course useful for the transition period when there are "just bombs" in warehouses. So? The reality is that the cost of a targeting system for an individual bomb of 25 thousand tanks is EXPLAINED 100 times, even not for mass production. When mass produced, such a system should be EVEN CHEAPER. But it gives accuracy ON THE ORDER OF THE above described sight. Further, an individual bomb guidance system can be created UNDER DIFFERENT methods of obtaining information from a target, infrared radiation, visible light (photograph of a target), radio emission (a phone in a fighter's pocket, a spy beacon thrown to a target), laser illumination. Considering that in a REAL war of REALLY STRONG opponents any GPS and GLONASS will be IMMEDIATELY DISABLED, this method of equipping bombs is MORE PERSPECTIVE than improving sighting devices. Therefore, the affection and delight about the article are NOT JUSTIFIED! This way is the WAY TO A DEAD END! It is necessary to DEVELOP the direction of the type of JDAM this is the right decision. In the meantime, as they say, in the absence of the EMBLEM, you can pee on SIMPLE! But not for long! Because, judging by the photo reports from Syria, pilots smear there godlessly ... and only the patriotic mood of the public allows you to not notice these STRATEGIC MISSES YET!
    1. hrych
      hrych 7 January 2016 23: 12
      +1
      Both our system and theirs are designed for an enemy that does not have full-fledged air defense, because with normal air defense, there can be no question of any use of bombs. Immediately comes the question of expediency and cost. So an "iron dome" anti-missile missile, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, intercepts a "Kassam" welded from water pipes worth $ 5 and the number of produced and launched "pipes" will always exceed the capabilities of the missile defense, plus, in addition to the cost of the anti-missile (and reserve) there are operating costs, including radar, etc. Also, the use of a 25 thousand-dollar device to eliminate a pair or three of rags with a rusty Kalashnikov is also stupid, plus the cost of the departure itself and the use of positioning and guidance systems must be taken into account. Here, from our side, there is cost adequacy, i.e. the cost of the bomb is commensurate with the cost of the target, which cannot be said about American gadgets. I'll tell you that the jdam system is a real dead end, against the Papuans it is monstrously expensive and unprofitable, against a strong enemy (with a decent air defense) it is not possible to use it.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 8 January 2016 20: 36
        -1
        jdam is a real dead end, monstrously expensive and unprofitable


        You must have read my message inattentively. And I say that there is no talk of the "monstrous high cost" of such products. The present value of 25 thousand is 100 TIMES (!) Higher than the REAL cost of such a system. And 250-300 bucks for a bomb is not even a penny, it is DUST on a penny. Of course, a country that does not have the ability to produce the element base and all the accompanying, is forced to BUY all this from the enemies - that's the cost turns out to be 25 thousand. And those who have all this will NOT SELL ANYONE CHEAP, therefore they allegedly hold a price of 25 thousand. And when you see this figure, you make a FALSE CONCLUSION about the "monstrous cost" and thereby drive YOUR DEFENSE INTO THE STONE AGE, without giving the opportunity to SERIOUSLY (and therefore cheaply) to PRODUCE NORMAL ammunition. Further, about the "impossibility" to use JDAM for a strong adversary ... Have they come up with or suggested who? ANY strong enemy has a respected air defense system, NOT ENDLESS! And when this air defense is covered with a copper basin, then all these "monstrously expensive" ammunition according to you, even suspended from simple corn machines, will come into operation, but your sights after GLONASS breakdown can simply be thrown into the trash. Yes, turn on the same brain at last, you CANNOT THINK IN PORTHOUS CATEGORIES while defending YOUR HOMELAND! Moreover, he is proud of it ...