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The greatest battle of antiquity on the field of Kuru

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What was the greatest battle in the past? Ask about it in India, and they will answer you: of course, the battle on Kuru or Kuruksetra fields. There, everyone knows about this battle and everything connected with this event, because the study of the poem “Mahabharata” (Tale of the Great Battle of the Descendants of Bharata) is included in the school curriculum, and there are people who know it in verse!


Interestingly, the first mention of the epic of the war of the descendants of Bharata dates back to the IV. BC, whereas it was recorded only in the 5th - 4th centuries. AD, i.e. formed the Mahabharata for a whole millennium! As an epic monument, this work is unparalleled. However, it is also possible to learn a great deal about how weapons fought ancient Indo-Europeans, which had military equipment and armor.


Arjuna and Krishna go to battle. This is how Indians imagined it in the past.

So from it you can find out that there existed a battle formation called “shakata” (trolley), but in order to counteract it, the troops had to be arranged in order under the name “crown” (crane).

Judging by the composition of the mythical military unit of akshauhini, which included 21870 chariots, 21870 elephants, 65610 cavalry and 109350 foot soldiers, chariots, elephants, horsemen and infantry participated in the battles of that time. It is significant, however, that the chariots on this list are the first, and most of the heroes of the poem do not fight as horsemen or riding elephants, but standing on chariots and leading their troops.

The greatest battle of antiquity on the field of Kuru

Here it is what chakra or chakras.

If we reject all sorts of artistic exaggerations and descriptions of the use of various kinds of "divine weapons", the most fantastic in their action, then for any researcher of this poem it will become obvious that the main place in her entire arsenal is occupied by bow and arrows. The convenience of using them for warriors fighting on chariots is obvious: one, standing on its platform, shoots, while the other rules the horses. In this case, the chariot often stands still, and the warrior hero on it sends clouds of arrows at the enemy. The poem describes that warriors do not disdain to kill horses harnessed to each other’s chariots and drivers. The chariot immobilized in this way becomes useless and then the warrior leaves it and rushes at the enemy with a sword and shield, or with a club, and, in extreme cases, having lost his weapon, he even grabs the wheel of the chariot and rushes into battle with him!


Various types of Indian edged weapons.

Of course, both of these warriors must have good training, since it is not so easy to control the chariot, especially in battle. Interestingly, the Pandava princes in the Mahabharata, demonstrating their dexterity in gun possession and riding, hit the targets with arrows at full gallop. That is, it speaks of their ability to ride and shoot a bow from this position - that is, the developed skills of horse archers. Then they show the ability to control chariots and ride on elephants, followed by archery again, and only in the very last turn they show their ability to fight with swords and clubs.


No weapons - the chariot wheel will do! The main thing for Abhimano - the son of Arjuna - to fight to the last!

Interestingly, if the bows of the heroes of the Western European epics are always nameless, but the names have swords and less often, the Vikings have axes, then the bows of the main characters of the Mahabharata, as a rule, have their own names. The bow of Arjuna, for example, is called Gandiva, and in addition to it, he has two never-ending quivers that are usually on his chariot, and the bow of Krishna is called Sharanga. They have their own names and other types of weapons and equipment: for example, the throwing disk of Krsna is called Sudarshana, the shell of Arjuna, the horn or pipe that replaced him is Devadatta, and the shell of Krsna is Panchajanya. Interestingly, the enemy of the Pandav princes, the son of the driver, Karna, possesses wonderful weapons — an irresistible dart that never misses, and he also has a proper name — Amodha. True, he can only be thrown once and Karna is forced to save him for a decisive duel with Arjuna, which, however, cannot enter and spends a dart on another opponent. But this is the only example when a proper name has a dart. Swords, which are used by pandavas and kauravs in a fight only after the arrows and other weapons have been used up, have no proper names. We emphasize once again that it was not so with the medieval knights of Europe, whose proper names had swords, but certainly not bows.


War chariot of Arjuna and Krishna. But they are even more spectacular in the Indian series from the 267 series.

To protect against enemy weapons, the warriors of the Mahabharata usually put on armor, have helmets on their heads and shields in their hands. In addition to bows - their most important weapon, they use spears, darts, and maces, which are used not only as impact weapons, but also for throwing, throwing discs - chakras and only the very last - swords.


Antelope horns with metal tips and a shield.

Shooting from bows, standing on a chariot, the Pandava and Kaurava warriors use different types of arrows, and very often - arrows with crescent-shaped tips with which they cut bows of bows and bows themselves, in the hands of their opponents, cut them into pieces maces and enemy armor, as well as shields and even swords! The poem is literally filled with reports of whole streams of arrows, spewed by miracle shooters, as well as how they kill enemy elephants with their arrows, smash the chariots of war and repeatedly pierce each other. And it is indicative that not every pierced person is immediately killed, although someone happens to be hit with three, someone with five or seven, and someone with seven or ten arrows at once.

And the matter here is not only in the fabulousness of the plot of the Mahabharata. It’s just that in this case it’s just a hyperbolized display of the fact that many arrows, piercing the armor and even possibly stuck in them with their tips, couldn’t inflict serious wounds on the soldier himself. The warriors continued to fight, even if they were stuck with arrows that fell into them - the situation is also quite typical for the medieval era. In this case, the goal for enemy warriors, as already noted, was not only a warrior fighting in a chariot, but also his horses and a driver, who, although he participated in the battle, didn’t actually fight himself. It should be noted that many of the chariots operating in the poem adorn the banners, by which both their own and other people recognize them from afar. For example, the chariot of Arjuna had a banner with the image of the monkey god Hanuman, who at a difficult moment shouted loudly at his enemies, horrifying them, while the banner with a golden palm and three stars fluttered on the chariot of his mentor and opponent Bhishma.


The Mahabharata is filled with truly amazing fantasies. For example, someone Vriddhakshatra swore his son Jayadrathu that if someone cut his head on the battlefield and she fell to the ground, then the head of the one who cut it down would immediately break into one hundred pieces! Here's how to kill this? But Arjuna finds a way out: his arrow carries the head of the killed son directly to the knees of the praying father Jayadrath, and when he rises (naturally without noticing anything around!) And the head falls to the ground, then ... what happens to him is what he himself invented ! What is it ?!

It is important to note that the heroes of the “Mahabharata” fight not only with bronze, but also with iron weapons, in particular - they use “iron arrows”. However, the latter, as well as all the fratricide taking place in the poem, is explained by the fact that by this time people had already entered the Kaliyuga, the “Iron Age” and the age of sin and vice, which began over three thousand years BC.


Indian war elephant in armor, XIX century Stratford Arms Museum, Stratford-upon-Ivan, England.

In the poem constantly some actions of her heroes are condemned as unworthy, others - on the contrary, demonstrate their nobility. “... Before he connected with Arjuna, Bhurishravas attacked him and showered him with arrows; and Satyaki showered with arrows Bhurishravasa, and both struck each other many times with powerful blows. Under the arrows of Bhurishravas Satyaki's horses fell, and Satyaki killed the enemy's horses with their arrows. Having lost horses, both heroes descended from chariots and rushed at each other with swords in their hands, bleeding like other two angry tigers. And they were cut for a long time, and neither could defeat the other, but finally, Satyaki, exhausted in the fight, began to give way. Seeing this, Krishna turned his chariot there and said to Arjuna: “Look, Bhurishravas will overcome, he will kill Satyaki if you don’t help him.” And when Bhurishravas plunged his opponent to the ground and raised a sword over him for the final blow, Arjuna quickly arrowed off the hero’s hand along with the sword. Bhurishravas stumbled and sank to the ground, losing strength. And, turning to Arjuna with a reproachful look, he said: “Oh mighty, you didn’t befell to interfere in our combat!” Meanwhile, Satyaki jumped to his feet and, picking up his sword, cut off their head to Bhurishravas, who was whispering prayers. But for this act, unworthy of an honest warrior, he was condemned by both Arjuna and Krishna, and other warriors who watched the duel with Bhurishravas. ”


Kalari Payatu - the oldest military art of India to fight with swords.

But even more interesting in the poem is a strange turn occurring with its heroes who entered the war. Thus, the positive heroes of peacetime, of course, are the noble Pandavas, and the Kauravas are shown by people of low moral qualities and cause universal condemnation.


Karna kills Ghatotkachu. Ghatotkacha is a rakshash demon and should not interfere in human battles. But he is the son of one of the Pandavas. And when his father asks for help, he cannot refuse, although this is against the rules. “A righteous person can neglect the rules,” divine Krishna says to his father, “if he has a worthy goal!” That is, this is the idea: if the goal is noble, any action is justified!

However, when war begins, it is the Kauravas that fight fairly and nobly enough, while the Pandavas set off on various tricks and act in the most insidious manner. For example, the god and driver, Arjuna Krishna, advises to undermine the morale of their opponent Drona with a false report about the death of his son Asvatthaman, so that it would be easier to kill him later. And they do it very cunningly. An elephant named Ashvatthaman is killed. And the most honest of the Pandavas, reports Drona, that he was killed, but the word elephant utters vaguely. And he naturally thinks about his son! Why is it in the poem? What, the ancient authors wanted to show in such a way that war spoils and corrupts even the most noble? But how then to be with the Kauravas, who are already “bad”?


Krishna and Arjuna blow the shells.

Or, as one of the scholars said, "pandavas are right and in their weaknesses, and the Kauravas are guilty in their valor." Or does it show that the main goal of the war is victory, and it will redeem everything? Then before us, probably, the most ancient substantiation of the principle “the end justifies the means”, expressed in the epic form! In the Mahabharata it is explicitly said that the winner is always right. He can even change karma, because it is in his power to change the idea of ​​her!
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 15 January 2016 06: 17 New
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    The winner is always right, the winners write the story ...
    Interesting country, "funny" traditions.
    When the British crushed sepoys and shot (executed) from cannons, caste prejudice was one of the reasons for the decay. How can the parts of the body of the noblest men lie among the parts of the inferior? After all, it worked.
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 15 January 2016 14: 33 New
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      there is nothing to show but reconstruction, and if something is real — the antelope’s horns with a shield, then even with the stars and crescent-symbols of Byzantium, the Horde, Islam or, say, the Great Mughals that were already in the Middle Ages ...
      1. kalibr
        15 January 2016 16: 30 New
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        Little is left of that time; many years have passed.
        1. AK64
          AK64 15 January 2016 18: 11 New
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          Presumably 9th century BC. About Troy, Mycenaean culture.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 07: 26 New
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    REN-TV has come to visit! wassat
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 15 January 2016 13: 43 New
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      Andrey Yuryevich
      so (If you omit of. science) then these events took place in 859, 861 and 867!

      then in our (Slavic) epics and legends everything is much more interesting right up to the burial place on other planets ... well, at least those who died in the sleeve of a swan now rest on Mars, in fact at the end of 50 young scientists, geologists with local grandfathers when communicated one of the geologists touched on the subject of prophetic Oleg, Rurik and one of the grandfathers poked a finger at the sky (the place where Mars shone) said shortly - "you will find it!" I think that our ancestors would not be opposed to the fact that their descendants would someday visit their graves, lay flowers grown in Nizhny Novgorod and restore destroyed monuments (similar to the Caucasian dolmens) on Mars hi
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 15 January 2016 08: 11 New
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    In the 8th class, the Mahabharata was caught in the district library ... The work was shocking .. Bright and colorful .. It’s a pity that now they mostly pay and are not justified, much attention is paid to all kinds of artistic exaggerations and descriptions of the use of all kinds of “divine weapons” ..Read it .. such .. "Star Wars" .. Entry .. Not otherwise .. Thank you, Vyacheslav .. for the article ..
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2016 08: 51 New
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      Profitable to speculate on this, that's all! Little work - but money! "Ah, the ancient Hindus knew the atomic bomb, oh, they flew on the vimana, oh, Krishna was an alien ... - and so on. In times of change, this all activated at times. The same thing happened in Russia until 1914. You, by the way, if you read Mahabharata look at the 267 serial series. Not all, of course, are also on rewind. But somewhere with the 230 series - it’s very interesting ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 January 2016 08: 57 New
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        I didn’t know about this .. but I’ll look .. interesting .. Thank you!
  4. Mad
    Mad dok 15 January 2016 09: 25 New
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    So this is where the roots of Indian cinema come from))
  5. Archikah
    Archikah 15 January 2016 09: 36 New
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    This again leads us to the side of mythology. Mr. author, it is understood that it belongs to a chosen nation. God's people seek to confuse everything that is possible. Before reading Mahabharata, I recommend listening to the lectures of G. Sidorov. on this topic. The key phrase in this article is: "If you discard all kinds of artistic exaggerations and descriptions of the use of all kinds of" divine weapons ", the most fantastic in its action,". So only an analysis of such weapons gives the true meaning of the epic and the information in it becomes really valuable and useful. And not just entertaining reading matter for a bored layman. bully
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2016 10: 17 New
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      What a "strange" person you are, ah-ah! They would have looked first at Wikipedia, would have searched for where the name Shpakovsky came from. But the most interesting thing is that this is not my native surname, I chose it myself. As for the "chosen nation", then you are also right - there are only two "nations" by and large. Clever people and not so - that’s all. Clever, no matter what kind of tribe they have always agreed among themselves, but "not so" and their family member are ready to drown in a spoon of water!
      1. AK64
        AK64 15 January 2016 11: 27 New
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        Are you ashamed of your last name?
        1. kalibr
          15 January 2016 12: 50 New
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          It’s just that she didn’t bring much happiness in life, and on occasion I took the name of my mother in marriage.
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  6. Riv
    Riv 15 January 2016 09: 44 New
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    Well, a fairy tale ... Paphos, show off and show off. :) It’s better to see "Ilya Muromets".

    The Mahabharata itself was written by the avatar of Krishna (who was also a god and was the driver of Arjuna in the Great Battle). How else was he supposed to portray the Pandavas? Of course heroes. Well, tradition also affected, definitely. Pandavas are the sons of the gods (Arjuna, for example, the son of Indra). That is, the origin is not even earthly, but heavenly. Well spoiled a little ... They - it is possible.

    On the other hand, Karna, who fought on the side of the Kauravas, is also the son of the god Surya. He was the half-brother to the Pandavas, and even older. At birth, he received from his father a gift of armor and earrings that grew into his body and looked like a tattoo. In battle, these armors provided invulnerability from earthly and heavenly weapons, and the earrings protected from curses. Indra, having appeared to Karne, told him about his true origin and about the properties of the tattoo covering Karna's body. Then Karna refused his kinship with the Pandavas (he simply hated Arjun), as well as his father's gift. He tore off his armor and handed it to Indra. Since then, he began to be called Karna, which means "Cleaver." But such details are not shown in the series ...
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2016 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Riv
      But such details are not shown in the series ...
      Amazingly true?
    2. AK64
      AK64 15 January 2016 11: 27 New
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      As far as I remember, Indra Karnu deceived a trite: he pretended to be a brahmana and asked for a shell and earrings. Karna, a model of honor and decency, even knowing that it was not Brahman but Indra, decided that it was not good not to fulfill the request of the Brahman, and cut off with a shell and earrings.
      1. Riv
        Riv 15 January 2016 15: 37 New
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        The vow to "never refuse to ask," actually was not given by Karna, but by Bhisma ...

        However, are we seriously discussing divine intervention? :))) Let us nevertheless consider "Mahabharata" a literary and historical monument, which it is. I think if you skip the tricks of the gods, it all comes down to the fact that upon learning of kinship with the Pandavas, Karna declared her allegiance to the ruling dynasty. Everything else is poetic exaggeration.
  7. Isk1984
    Isk1984 15 January 2016 10: 35 New
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    Yes, a couple of regiments of the English infantry, and the whole great culture of warriors and gods did not help, somehow the British did not care about caste prejudices and damnations, after all, Europeans were great warriors (they were), but to compose an epic and not to dance Indians here .. .
  8. AK64
    AK64 15 January 2016 11: 03 New
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    Thus, the noble Pandavas are, of course, the positive heroes of peace, and the Kauravas are shown by people of low moral qualities and cause general condemnation.

    They are quite disgusting in peacetime.
    Five brothers without hesitation share one wife (the beautiful Draupadi) for all.
    Twice (!!) they lose the kingdom to the craps of the Kauravas, and then for some reason (why ??? N play!) They plan revenge. Moreover, when they lost for the first time, the situation was saved by the same Draupadi, who asked "did Yudhisthira (the" wise "(!!) eldest of the five Pandavas) have the right to lose it if he had already lost himself before that?" As a result, the father of the “immoral” Kauravas Dhritarashtra canceled the results of the game (contrary to the will of the gods, how it turns out !!!) returning to the Pandavas all that was lost. But the Pandavas are not enough once, and they climb to play again, and again they lose everything! And then revenge is cherished for a long time --- and these are highly moral people?
    And Draupadi is trying the most: he’s setting up husbands to war (as a result of which he loses everything, including all sons --- but not hubby)

    Draupadi is generally something .... What is worth her and other brothers attitude to Karna. Karna, by their standards, is at least an analog of Alill. And at the same time, it is also an example of honor and conscience. And by blood, he is also a brother abandoned in infancy to these Pandavas (which Karna did not know about before the battle - but they tell him how not to tell). So, the attitude towards Karna of the Pandava brothers and this prasst Lord of the “wife of five husbands” is simply disgusting: not the slightest decency. And are these heroes?

    Correctly someone already said: who won (by any means) - he wrote the story. (Although this particular story was written allegedly by the grandfather of all opponents Vyasa)
    1. Horn
      Horn 15 January 2016 12: 41 New
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      Well, from the point of TODAY of man and Christian morality, this is bad. But! Morality is a volatile thing. Morality always adapts to what is beneficial.
      Polygamy, for example, was very common during periods of lack of natural resources. By the way, some religions and Buddhism (Buddhism is not a religion) officially allow polygamy. Tibetans still practice it. And the “change of the rules of the game in the course of the game" ... do not they say anything to you USA-IMF-Ukraine?
      So, there is nothing disgusting. For us, there is a disgusting living creature, and for a completely civilized Frenchman, a snail is a delicacy ...
      1. kalibr
        15 January 2016 12: 57 New
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        By the way, today in India, one guru invented a new religion and ... morality! To "escape" you need to drink two bottles of whiskey a day and have at least two different women! They say the adherents of this faith come to him from all over the world!
        1. Riv
          Riv 15 January 2016 15: 46 New
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          Is whiskey issued on the spot, or should I bring it with me?
          1. kalibr
            15 January 2016 16: 41 New
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            I don’t know, but I saw a photo of the guru with Johnny Walker, a black label in the arms of two beauties. If you knew that you would be saved in such a way, I would go to God. And another guru of 16 years nazal raised his left hand and has not lowered it ever since. Already can not! She withered him! The view is disgusting! But he is really a saint !!! There is a sect of eaters of dog poop, only this way, they say, you can break off the Wheel of Transformations! There are many things there. My daughter’s girlfriend works there ... oh ...
      2. AK64
        AK64 15 January 2016 13: 17 New
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        Nope, not like that: THERE was not THEN wholly ordinary or at least simply acceptable. And the polyandry Draupadi had to justify! Many excuses are given for this polygamy, including for Draupad (Draupadi's father - Draupadi is not a proper name). And the reason: "we all like it - so let's all and we will use it!" --- here is the real reason.

        Yes, I don’t mind, please --- but why then are there so many other excuses for this bestiality?

        Further, by some reservations, it is clear that the author, for example, considers Karna to be truly a model of honor and chivalry (in the best sense of the word). But Karna is against the Pandavas, and Karna was many times offended and treacherously killed by the Pandavas.
        You see, the author is a supporter of the Pandavav, but at the same time he admires Karna.

        Or this dice game: well, if you lost, well, they returned everything to you out of kindness - where do you sit down to play again? And why, after losing, are you trying to take revenge?

        Moreover, the result of the game, according to their ideas, supposedly reflected the will of the gods.

        Yes, there are many good things for those Pandavas. The author is trying to demonize the Kauravas and expose the Pandavas as “white and fluffy,” but as you look at their actions ... and it seems quite a bit overwhelming: the winners simply write the story.
        1. Riv
          Riv 15 January 2016 15: 45 New
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          Here again, the matter is different. Maharajas do not just become so. We need a rite, but it includes ... a game of dice (according to other sources, chess). Is it strange? For us, yes. So the Pandavas were just about to conduct this rite. The bet in the game was supposed to correspond, so to speak, and the elder Pandavas put himself and his brothers and wife at stake.
          Not fartanulo, lost.
          1. AK64
            AK64 15 January 2016 16: 46 New
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            Nope. Here is the text from the translation

            Duryodhana went to his uncle Shakuni, the king of Gandhara, and told him about his torment. Shakuni listened to him and said: “Don’t grieve, you are not alone, Duryodhana. You have relatives, friends and allies. They will not leave you in trouble and will help you. But do not hope to defeat the Pandavas by force of arms. They conquered the whole world. they have a strong army, a rich treasury, their allies are powerful, and their weapons are invincible. But console yourself, we will overcome them with cunning and take possession of the treasures of the Pandavas. I know that Yudhisthira loves dice, but plays poorly. And when he starts the game, then cannot stop, we must call him to us in Hastinapur, let him play dice with me. there is no one in the world who can equal me in this game. I will beat him, take everything from him that the Pandavas own and give it to you. And you will be happy. We only need the consent of King Dhrtarastra. "


            Here is the link
            http://www.centre.smr.ru/win/facts/india/mahabhar/mahabhar_10.htm

            As you can see, Yudhisthira (the eldest of the brothers) was a corny player.

            And Duryodhan allegedly harbored some rudeness in his soul because he was laughed at at the Yudhisthir palace ... servants: he fell in one place and hit the door in another: isn’t it funny? Actually, servants laughing at the master’s guest, the king and a relative should be flogged
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    2. kalibr
      15 January 2016 12: 55 New
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      Yes, I can only exclaim it - amazingly, right? Reasonable interpretation does not lend itself. Except perhaps that - "people - people!"
  9. bbss
    bbss 15 January 2016 15: 26 New
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    Great country with ridiculous traditions! It was easy to rebel the sepoys. Team "Bite off the cartridge!" forced the siping lips to touch the paper cartridge, which was abundantly saturated with a mixture of animal fats - pork and beef. And this was unacceptable by either Muslims or Hindus. Brilliant and simple.
    1. AK64
      AK64 15 January 2016 16: 56 New
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      Great country with ridiculous traditions!


      Well, why is it immediately "ridiculous"? There were many good and good traditions. For example, it was a good tradition to bury a wife with her dead husband, and it’s better to live: I think if this beautiful custom were adopted in Russia, then the average life expectancy of men would immediately increase greatly. This is a good practice for public health; and completely without costs from the state, note ...
  10. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 15 January 2016 22: 03 New
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    The article is generally average. But especially interesting comments. One gets the impression that, apart from Kalibr`a and Andont`s, nobody is particularly aware of the realities of India. What is ancient, what is medieval, what is modern. Indeed the castes there are ordinariness and reality. I personally spoke with many Indians and I know what I am talking about. And for kashtriev (there are several castes, including even Nepalese-Gurkha, which are included in this varna, supposedly not preserved) RED color - really THE COLOR OF THEIR, COLOR OF THE WARRIOR. And they honor traditions - a ksatriya will never, hear NEVER become a merchant or a bank employee, he will better go as a guard ...

    Quote: anodonta
    For them, the British mergers of the country, the creators of the modern Indian state. A sipai is something like our Stenka Razin, Emelka Pugachev and Makhno ...
    Exactly ! 200% Truth! Although of course, starting from the 1947 year, and especially since the death of Makhtama Gandhi, propaganda of the cult of insurgent sepoys has been going on in India. But what kind of warriors are this - showed at least the Siege of the Residence - where fewer 1200 people, including many women and children, resisted relying on scanty ramparts and armor, actually in the building of the ruins of the palace, the army, whose numbers reached Peak 20.000 (!!!!! !!!!) Indians who could not take the Residence by storm. Spartans have a rest!

    The slogan "Never give up the Asians!" Suffer the blood of the Christian martyrs of the Great Mutiny. The insides of European women spread on the floor and walls of the Bloody Chamber forever in the memory of both the British, the Scots and the Irish, and the Hindus. Whoever has a mind will understand me, especially my brothers from those who have passed Chechnya ...
    1. Riv
      Riv 16 January 2016 08: 31 New
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      Since the time of Gandhi, the kshatra in India has been treated approximately the same as in Japan during the restoration era, to samurai. Type: cool, brutal, the spirit of the nation and all that, but ... it's better to stay away from them. This is because kshatriyas, like samurai, are different. There are those who are not like the guards - they’re dumb to take to the battalion.

      And about the sepoy uprising in this topic is better not to remember. In it, just the kshatra took a minimal part, and the sultan generally withdrew from the leadership of the uprising (which, however, did not save him). Well, without command, the military successes of the lower caste militia are understandable.
  11. Horn
    Horn 18 January 2016 09: 38 New
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    Interesting: someone from the moderators considered the commentary with an example from biblical morality unacceptable for posting, so as not to offend Christians and Judaists, but consider the insult of the Hindus quite acceptable! Then forbid to read the Bible! There are so many mistakes and bugs ... let alone on the propaganda of hatred ...
  12. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 16 February 2016 01: 20 New
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    Quote: Riv
    In it, the kshatra took a minimal part, and the sultan himself withdrew himself from the leadership of the uprising (which, however, did not save him). Well, without command, the military successes of the lower caste militias are understandable.

    Sorry, but you are very wrong. Just the Northern (Delhi) army consisted of 80% of representatives of the higher castes and had the largest share of the native regular and irregular cavalry (but the armies of the Bombay and Madras residences, mostly retained their loyalty to the British and mainly consisted of the lower castes).

    And it turned out that, on the whole, the rebellious "elite" (that Muslim, Hindu - but in the Great Rebellion a unique happened - the Muslims were united with the Hindus !!!!), which the British lost in many respects, were crushed by the British with the help of the native regiments of bottom. "

    And among the natives of the castes belonging to the Kshatriya varna - of course there are completely different people.
  13. D. Dan
    D. Dan 10 October 2019 00: 46 New
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    Hmm, an interesting poem by the way.
    In prose, I liked it more. Not everything is so simple there, it seems like things were bygone days, and the arsenal is still quite powerful. Archers and warriors, they were notable, and Krishna is not just a man ...
    It’s hard to read, at the beginning nothing, the Bhagavad-gita, that is, the second book, even fascinating, but when it comes to war, fratricide and betrayal and treachery, even tears come. And Krsna was cunning. These are spirituality, those are traditions. Massacre and blood. Also me, valor.
    In my opinion, call me a conspiracy theorist, okay, this epos is an echo of the really space battles that took place, and the types of weapons that were used, the different “krishna discs” there ... and in the end, when one soldier died there, he forgot at the end he fought with Arjuna, ... at M .. it’s kind of like, “fire came out of him" ... why don’t you blow up an arsenal of some kind of energy ...