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Stalin’s amazingly accurate predictions about Russia

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Surprisingly accurate predictions left descendants I.V. Stalin, some of whom have already turned. Prophetic prediction I.V. Stalin on Russia - the USSR, the Russian people and the East (quoted by R. Kosolapov’s article, “What is the truth about Stalin?”. Pravda newspaper, July 4, 1998).

On the very eve of the war with Finland, JV Stalin invited the famous revolutionary Alexander Kollontai, the daughter of the tsarist general, who was plenipotentiary ambassador to Sweden (1930 - 45), to his office for a talk. The conversation was very trusting and made an extraordinary impression on AM Kollontai. “Coming out of the Kremlin, I did not go, ran, repeating, so as not to forget what Stalin said. Going into the house ... began to write. It was already deep night ... An indelible impression! I took a different look at the world around me. (To this conversation) I turned mentally many, many times already during the war and after it, reread, and always found something new ... And now, as a reality, I see Stalin's office in the Kremlin, it has a long table and Stalin ... Goodbye , he said:
- Be brave. Hard times are coming. They need to be overcome ... Overcome. Be sure to overcome! Strengthen health. Temper in the fight.

The record of this conversation with I. V. Stalin was found in A. M. Kollontai's diaries, which she kept for a long time. For the first time, these archival extracts were published by the historian and biographer A.M. Kollontai, doctor historical Sciences MI Trush in cooperation with prof. R. I. Kosolapov in the journal "Dialogue" for 1998
I. V. Stalin said:

“Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly revenge us for our successes and achievements. He still regards Russia as a barbarous country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. I will assign a lot of atrocities.
World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR is in the friendship of nations. The edge of the struggle will be directed, first of all, at breaking this friendship, at separating the borderlands from Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything. There is still a large field of work.

Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
In general, in the future development will go more difficult and even frantic ways, turns will be extremely steep. It goes to the fact that the East is especially excited. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "

Further, according to this diary entry, JV Stalin said:

“All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! Among the Russian people, among all nations, the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder than other nations. You can rely on it in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible! ”
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  1. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 5 January 2016 17: 00
    322
    Missing you, really missing you ...
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      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 5 January 2016 17: 36
        54
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        Yes and no. We have a normal president. God bless him! yes
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 5 January 2016 18: 21
          -139 qualifying.
          This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed. And where did Stalin come from with such a trusting attitude to this proxy. Trusted people are not sent by ambassadors over the hill. Quite the opposite. I do not believe.
          1. Petrof
            Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 23
            36
            Quote: Mahmut
            Rather the opposite.


            who do not trust send ambassadors? laughing
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 5 January 2016 18: 34
              -92 qualifying.
              Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.
              1. cniza
                cniza 5 January 2016 21: 07
                15
                So do not rush to send everyone somewhere, it was a difficult time, we have survived and are not continuing now.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 6 January 2016 00: 49
                  28
                  It is difficult now to overestimate the role and greatness of Stalin for our country, and for the whole world.
                  now for a time the dwarfs defeated the Atlanteans, defeated nasty, treacherous, but this is only for a while ..., only for a while.
                  Stalin speaks of the greatness and intelligence of our people, and I am firmly convinced that in our country there are Stalin, Leninia, Dzerzhinsky, and Lunacharsky ... they are only dissolved in the masses now, we don’t know them yet, but they time will come, will come inexorably and lightning fast.
                  We will restore the country and our children and grandchildren will again go to free schools and go to the cinema for free sessions.
                  It will be obligatory, but it cannot be otherwise, otherwise we will die.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 January 2016 01: 31
                    -25 qualifying.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Stalin speaks of the greatness and mind of our people

                    local sectarians do not want to hear him, all of them Stalin did instead of the people
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS

                    and I am firmly convinced that in our country there are Stalin, Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, and Lunacharsky ... only they are now dissolved in the masses, we don’t know them yet,
                    .

                    look for dill - right now there were a lot of them
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 6 January 2016 02: 29
                      27
                      Quote: poquello
                      look for dill - right now there were a lot of them

                      What are you talking about, dear?
                      Do you even know approximately how many Russians are in Ukraine?
                      For advice, remember the "beard" about the boatswain laughing
                      I lazy to troll with you lol , since I know perfectly well that next you scratch about swamps, white petals and other garbage, or the debate comes down to what is better, socialism or capitalism yes
                      Do not waste your or my time, I am firm in my beliefs, and I have gained my strength through the years I have lived. And accept that socialism will win, accept as an axiom wink
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 6 January 2016 15: 37
                        -10 qualifying.
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Quote: poquello
                        look for dill - right now there were a lot of them

                        What are you talking about, dear?
                        .

                        about the itch of revolution in your ass
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                  2. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 6 January 2016 07: 40
                    11
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Stalin speaks of the greatness and mind of our people


                    The fact is that this conversation most likely simply WAS NOT:

                    -Excerpts from the Journal of Visits by I.V. Stalin (ZhMI), Kollontai did not visit him.

                    - Diplomatic diaries. 1922-1940. In the 2 volumes published in the 2001 year they say that she met with Molotov -
                    "I sit and wait for Vyacheslav Mikhailovich's call. I wait for hours. The secretaries return from his office and laconically throw to me: "No, still busy, wait a minute." ".... Your task," Molotov said to me at parting, "is to keep the Scandinavians from entering the war. Let them sit in their favorite neutrality. Although I was in Moscow for only two days, the order came from Vyacheslav Mikhailovich to fly back to Sweden to 6 a.m. Stalin never saw. Annoyingly! It’s easy and simple to talk to him.
                    -The text of the Trushev article partially coincides with the conversation between Kollontai and Molotov - there are whole sentences word for word.
                    -No publications of Trush himself in scientific journals on this subject does not exist. The archived document number is not given.


                    Rather, this conversation is an essay on the free theme of the newspaper Pravda.
                    1. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 10: 36
                      +4
                      I did not see 1930, but there were other interviews. The ambassador is not a convict with a core on his leg.
                  3. Azitral
                    Azitral 6 January 2016 13: 50
                    -20 qualifying.
                    I love imaginary slogans. Chief among them: "We will restore Russia!" Not to mention the technical impossibility of this nonsense, let me ask you; sample of what year? Let's reduce the choice by one century, the 20th. 1913? 1917? 1923? 1928? 1932? 1937? 1941? 1946? 1961? WHEN? Thank God, there is an opportunity to make a decent country, but no, they are pulling into the past. You ask your children, do they want at least 1983? Will they thank you if you go against them?
                    1. asher
                      asher 6 January 2016 16: 34
                      31
                      I want forever in 1983. Again in Tashkent’s bread and almost non-deficit Tashkent, to build airplanes and get from 300 to 400, again in 2 years to get a new apartment, relax on Issyk-Kul in a factory boarding house. Only here in 1984 I would have beaten Gorbachev in any way with Yeltsin until they had time to spoil, but many heroes of our time had to be strangled until they had spoiled.
                      1. shasherin.pavel
                        shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 14: 21
                        -2
                        Quote: asher
                        Gorbachev I would have nailed in 1984

                        But it was not Gorbachev who won, but his clique. At that time, a loner in the Central Committee could not win. And Andropov's murder did not come from a loner. Why then all the KGB and personal security? So they prepared all this, and removed the guards. Moreover, Gorbachev was promoted by the CIA, well, I don’t believe that this muddlehead let everything down so that everything seems to be correct, and the consequences are terrible. As the Chinese say: "The dragon wins with truth."
                      2. little man
                        little man 8 January 2016 09: 24
                        +1
                        not everything was so bad now and not everything was so good then ... And I in YOUR 1983 in Krasnoyarsk scoured the shops to no avail in search of tights for a small child!
                    2. c3r
                      c3r 7 January 2016 20: 58
                      0
                      Dear, in comparison with the 90s, Russia has made a big step forward. And more than one will do it, but this is if there are as few people like you inside Russia as possible. What kind of a decent country have you made? It's good that the management had enough intelligence to make reserves, otherwise, if oil prices fell, and they would fall due to the appearance of cheap ISIS oil on the market, your "decent country" would become more indecent than in 90s and you would be the first to tell what kind of power is bad. How tortured comrades constantly trying to find something bad and criticize and criticize, and when they themselves are instructed to do something, they begin to justify why it did not work!
                2. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 6 January 2016 10: 29
                  13
                  Quote: Petrof
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Rather the opposite.


                  who do not trust send ambassadors? laughing

                  Quote: cniza
                  So do not rush to send everyone somewhere, it was a difficult time, we have survived and are not continuing now.

                  It was not we who survived, but some other people. I worked on a piece of iron for 10 years. Once on TV "Zvezda" there was material on the work of railway workers during the war (both ours and the Germans). I SO COULD NOT be able to do without options at all, these titans were some kind of shorter people. Gods
              2. djqnbdjqnb
                djqnbdjqnb 5 January 2016 23: 38
                20
                Quote: Mahmut
                Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.


                Mahmut, if you decide to troll, do it smartly. Ambassador to Sweden on the eve of the war - a sign of working out? One of the hardest jobs for a diplomat during the war! Watch the film "Ambassador of the Soviet Union", this is about Kollontai's work in Sweden, by the way, and write competently, for a troll this is not the last thing, the name Kollontai is written with two letters.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 10: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                  Kollontai is written with two liters.

                  Apparently his grammar correction is not included.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 6 January 2016 15: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                  Ambassador to Sweden on the eve of war - a sign of prosperity?

                  Of course not. But Kollontai Mahmud was not mistaken in the classification (proshmondovka). She is a degenerative degeneration (according to G. Klimov). And they make very good diplomats and intelligence officers. Respected by all, Kim Philby was also rear-wheel drive, and the entire Cambridge Five was tied to the "same" theme. All intelligence services in the world use homosexuals and lesbians for underground work.
                  And in this regard, Stalin is just a handsome man who knows about the nature of Kollontai's "talent" and skillfully used it. hi
              3. Chiropractor
                Chiropractor 6 January 2016 09: 18
                +3
                Quote: Mahmut
                Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.


                Right now, Churkin was surprised - he is like an ambassador to the UN.

                In general - keep your friends close and your enemies even closer (s)!
                1. Azitral
                  Azitral 6 January 2016 13: 54
                  +2
                  And he shot enemies. As well as persons whom he equated with enemies. There was no need to send to Sweden. Would accuse of left excesses - and hello.
              4. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 10: 30
                +6
                You can only imagine what kind of bastard you send to your best friends, if only to keep away from yourself, let your friends disentangle, and send your enemy to your enemies. Do not forget that at that time the woman ambassador was something more than in tsarist times a woman general, namely a general, not a general — the general’s wife. Even against the background of the women of that time, Kollontai was a female genius among women. It’s enough to recall that Molotov’s wife disclosed secret facts to the foreign ambassador at an international reception, received the first warning from Stalin, but at the next reception she spilled out the information used to calculate our intelligence agent. There was no second warning, she sat far and for a long time ... where no one was interested in her information. Kollontai not only pulled Finland out of the war, having prepared the terms for a peaceful resolution of the conflict (war), which freed some of our armed forces, but also made Finland try to disarm the German forces in Finland. German troops during the retreat burned and destroyed 600 bridges from the 900 existing in Finland, blew up more than 12 000 office buildings, schools and churches. What immediately changed the attitude of the Finns to the Russians.
              5. gladcu2
                gladcu2 6 January 2016 19: 53
                -1
                Mahmut

                Maybe you are right. But many people do not think in subtle matters.

                Although, your rank allows you to carry justice in a rude manner.

                By the way.

                The last statement about the Russian people. It gives reason to be proud. True, as if the Fursenkov youth, their pride must be brought to the realm of swagger.

                I would like to recall that such statements are not only for pride, but also oblige in many respects. There is a lot of injustice in the world, and it means a wide field for serious duties.
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 5 January 2016 18: 37
            -12 qualifying.
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with the Krupskaya decree on ....
            she is a darling ... she. yes
          3. papik09
            papik09 5 January 2016 20: 02
            43
            Quote: Mahmut
            And where did Stalin come from with such a trusting attitude to this proxy.

            And where did such a high rank (Marshal) come from ?! Demand! By the way, under Stalin you would be shot. And they would do it right.
            am
            1. Abbra
              Abbra 5 January 2016 21: 18
              -4
              You too. Nehru on the bourgeois Internet to roam ... Cosmopolitan damned ...
              1. Russian063
                Russian063 6 January 2016 04: 48
                +9
                No need to whistle ... Stalin led the country to full industrialization and the Internet would not have chopped it off, because this is progress.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 10: 50
                  +4
                  Stalin planned to introduce money-free trade by the end of his life, apparently something like modern cards ... although I do not think that there was complete equality. Unlike Khrushch, the Benderite, Stalin did not introduce rationing, and if the Stakhanovite overfulfilled the plan, then until the designers build a new machine with increased productivity, the Stakhanovite received overfulfillment of the plan. To each according to work! Initially, if we recall, in rural collective farms, workdays were divided equally, regardless of productivity, but then collective farmers began to complain en masse about the "drones" they receive on an equal basis with everyone else. Then the motto appeared: "To each according to his work."
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 6 January 2016 20: 04
                    0
                    shasherin pavel

                    Good thing, cards.

                    In the absence of money, there is no scope for scammers. And to mean there would be no redistribution of property. And adjustment too.

                    But the Stakhanov movement is not the best form of social competition. Since the competition must have rules, but also impose restrictions. Otherwise, in pursuit of a long ruble, rivals will drive each other. And as you know, driven horses are shot.
                    1. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 14: 45
                      +1
                      It is worth noting that Stalin supported the Stakhanov movement, but forbade the counter plan. It should also be noted that in spite of the fact that not a single five-year plan was fulfilled, people were awarded, not punished. The secret was revealed unexpectedly for me, by the memoirs of the director of a defense plant for the production of tanks. The plan was such that it was initially impossible to fulfill it. The director calls Stalin and spreads all the facts that prevent him from fulfilling the assigned plan for the release of tanks, but the answer is unequivocal: "The plan must be fulfilled." All who could and who could not strained themselves, any proposals to increase the plan were accepted, but only 250 tanks out of the 500 assigned were released. .. and received the task to reward those who distinguished themselves. It turned out that the Kremlin could not even imagine that they would be able to release so many tanks. We thought 50 would be good, but it was the plan of 500 cars that made everything impossible. And what could be done below in order to fulfill the plan launched from above. The storekeeper complained to the young designer Shpagin that the director of the plant constantly scolds him for lack of some details (and what can he do?) Shpagin prepared a board for the storekeeper, on which the storekeeper indicated the number of parts in the warehouse with columns of colored paper. The storekeeper only pulled out colored paper up to the count of 20% or 60% of the norm. The next time the director came, the storekeeper showed him a schedule of the presence of spare parts for weapons, where it was clear how many parts were in the warehouse at the current time. They took the parts, the column was lowered manually, the parts came, the column was pulled out to the desired mark. The plant ceased to be in a fever due to the lack of some parts, the productivity increased by 50% of the plan.
            2. Leninsk
              Leninsk 6 January 2016 02: 30
              15
              He took the country with a hoe, but left it with a rocket .. Regarding the execution, you do not confuse the warm with the soft ...
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 11: 23
                +4
                As for plow: the plow did not plow the land under rye and wheat, only under oats and barley. The plow and the plow were equal instruments of labor. Here one must correctly understand: He adopted a country where the one-man farmer plowed the land (with one plow in a harness), but left it with a rocket!
                Quote: Leninsk
                Regarding the execution,

                When I read which ones are in prison for life, I want to ask: "Let me cut their throats, if you can't shoot!" Has anyone thought for a moment about the contradiction of our time: At the places of mass graves, obelisks are erected for the "innocent murdered". This means that Stalin created a society in which there were no murderers, child molesters, plunders of state property, rapists and other svolochie. Or are we slandering ourselves ?! and do not think with our own head that we are erecting monuments to murderers and thieves!
                1. 97110
                  97110 6 January 2016 21: 51
                  0
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  and do not think with our own head that we are erecting monuments to murderers and thieves!

                  During his 60 years, I have never participated in the installation of a monument to the "victims". And in my comments I try as much as possible to avoid joining some “we” (although I was caught just now. And called upon to “speak from myself”). Are the monuments to the "victims" erected so popularly? Are the notorious “we” so naive not to understand the reason for their erection?
                  1. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 00
                    0
                    Law is law! If someone tried to apply the laws on responsibility for crimes of the 19th century, in the 20th century, they would get a riot in the country. And if the laws of the 23th century were applied to the 2th century, they would have received complete anarchy. The laws on timing were applied after a nationwide discussion, or ... you can recall Petrograd in 6 year, when gangs gathered from workers 'factories, and workers' settlements were not recommended to visit even during the day, and at the same time, liberal laws of the people's court were given for rape for 2 months, for robbery for 10 months, for murder up to 15 years. And the perversion of the law began to cleanse the city of filth: for the rape of a communist or Komsomol member, they began to pass a sentence, as enemies of the people for undermining the power up to XNUMX years, for robbing a communist's apartment as an enemy of the people up to XNUMX years. And then these terms migrated to the criminal code. If a person was shot, then he deserved it! Even if he was a worker ... during the day, and a bandit at night. Judging by the statistics, the entire cavalry regiment of "St. George the Victorious" was brought to the innocently killed priests, where the priests went on an attack with sabers on their heads against the Red Army, which was ambushed and was shot from machine guns.
            3. Russian063
              Russian063 6 January 2016 04: 46
              -1
              Mahmut - he is in Africa Mahmut
            4. gladcu2
              gladcu2 6 January 2016 19: 57
              0
              papik09

              MAHMUT, he is smart. And he deserved the title. And if he deserves it, then he can use it, as he likes. And uses, I must say skillfully.
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          4. bocsman
            bocsman 5 January 2016 23: 08
            +1
            Abdula (Mahmut) set fire!
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          6. Saburov
            Saburov 5 January 2016 23: 12
            0
            [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = -hCJTF8iwu8
            1. Hyppopotut
              Hyppopotut 6 January 2016 09: 23
              0
              And when did they, the ancient Ukrainians, dig the Black Sea?
          7. Saburov
            Saburov 5 January 2016 23: 15
            15
            Enough reasoned and understandable for the unfortunate historians, monarchists and other lovers of grief scribblers about the atrocities of Stalinism.
            1. Aleks Kruglov
              Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 23: 27
              +7
              Anatoly Wasserman about Stalin:

          8. djqnbdjqnb
            djqnbdjqnb 5 January 2016 23: 33
            12
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed.


            And this is not the Mahmut who sleeps and sees how Russia will break up into 40-50 independent states? How many liberals are warming their hands in the information war!
            1. djqnbdjqnb
              djqnbdjqnb 6 January 2016 00: 04
              +1
              And the liberals do not like, minus! So, hit the mark ...
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2016 01: 34
                +4
                Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                And the liberals do not like, minus! So, hit the mark ...

                it is possible minuscule people know this man, and you stupidly stipulated him
              2. Humpty
                Humpty 6 January 2016 19: 49
                0
                Do not you .... point, a man with long woman hair.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Humpty
                  man with long

                  like Gogol, Chernyshevsky, Herzen, or like Samson. Can you portray "Vikings" with a "beaver" or "half-box" hairstyle? I would like to inform you that in the American army it is strictly forbidden to cut hair for "Indians", when cut they lose all their abilities as trackers, scouts or guides. It turns out that a man with a haircut is easier to become a slave and it is easier to obey than with long hair. That is why they cut their heads in the army. A man does not become stupider, but he becomes less free in his actions.
          9. muks
            muks 6 January 2016 06: 21
            -5
            Joseph Vissarionovich had nothing to do with Kollontai. The fact that this revolutionary-minded woman wrote down to herself in her diary speaks of her ... flexibility and enterprise - no more! There is no "letter from STALIN to the kolontai". Undoubtedly - having got into the highest echelons of power, this lady successfully and effectively used her shaggy hair - with the benefit of herself first of all. There are a lot of myths, they are created for specific purposes. Comrade Kostrikov left in his memory the peeled underpants - and what myth? Enemies of the revolution, political murder! Is it possible to be both revolutionary and ... a woman with a very high need for sex?
            1. ilyinval61
              ilyinval61 6 January 2016 15: 22
              -4
              uggles (oops, muks). are you obviously worried
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 16
                0
                Quote: ilyinval61
                ilyinval61

                Impotent?
          10. oracul
            oracul 6 January 2016 08: 42
            +8
            This is not a matter of faith, but a matter of knowledge. "Defile and spit" has always been in the arsenal of anti-communists. It's time to learn to think with your own head and not give in to false promises, and even more so to draw far-reaching conclusions based on them.
          11. gjv
            gjv 6 January 2016 11: 34
            +5
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed.

            In 1913, Alexandra Kollontai published an article, “A New Woman,” in which she developed the views on a woman of a new, advanced society. The new Kollontai woman strives to become a full member of society and therefore is guided by the following principles:
            Victory over emotions, the development of self-discipline.
            Refusal of jealousy, respect for the freedom of men.
            It does not require material support from a man, but a careful attitude to his personality.
            The new woman is an independent person, her interests are not limited to home, family and love.
            Submission to the mind of love experiences.
            Refusal of the fetish of "double morality" in love relationships. The new woman does not hide her sexuality.
          12. isergil
            isergil 6 January 2016 11: 34
            +3
            Kollontai has done a lot for the USSR. during the war years. Largely thanks to her, Sweden took a neutral position. Thanks to her intelligence and other personal qualities (aristocratic education, diplomacy, wit, personal charm), the prestige of Soviet diplomacy was strengthened in the Scandinavian countries.
          13. Azitral
            Azitral 6 January 2016 13: 34
            -3
            Lies. Almost literally coincides with the wet dreams of homegrown fascists. They agree with Gtler as regards Jews and other inferior races, only to admit this is not yet a Camilfo. I read all the volumes of J. V. Stalin, including the "dubious" 18th. Absolutely not his style, not his vocabulary. Wretched thoughts of an anti-Semite-loser, who are trying to pass off as revelations from the Leader. And - to the previous author: it is an honor to share the disadvantages with you.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 22
              0
              Quote: Azitral
              with wet dreams

              dreams of a wet place?
              Quote: Azitral
              Gtler

              Correction of grammar does not work in "computer". or so hurry up to report that it is not up to verification.
          14. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 18: 18
            +3
            Dear Mahmut!
            Seeing a bunch of minuses, he became interested, began to twist, twirl options, look for the background and that's what came to.
            1. The topic of the article "Stalin" is more than relevant. More than 800 responses per day. Try to find something similar on the site.
            2. Illustration for 5 points.
            3. The topic of the article is delusional. Everyone thinks what will happen after him. A man of big business, wonders what will happen to the business. But to confess Stalin, with an accidental, extraordinary ... Do not tell. I certainly do not believe it!
            4. Yes, extraordinary. There are many things that were taken into account, communications, opportunities. She has been ambassadors and successful since 1923.
            5. And the revelations themselves "vaguely remind me of something."
            6. A fake of pure water.
            7. Could an article about Stalin be better picked up.
            It seems that you meant it. Sorry if I made a mistake.
          15. Rosich333
            Rosich333 7 January 2016 14: 00
            +2
            Having opened the Cookbook of 1905, in the section: “What if the guests came to you and there are no products in the house?”
            “Send the cook to the cellar, let her chop cold boiled pork, salmon, add soaked cranberries, sprinkle with fresh herbs and serve.” Spill home liqueur, apologize to the guests ... "
            Lord ... Such a country has been drained!
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 28
              +1
              "After the execution of Alexander, the Ulyanovs lived so poorly that instead of beef they had to buy chicken liver." "Vladimir Ulyanov brought his first salary home at the age of 27." "If the poor do not have enough bread, then let them ... eat pastries." Maybe you yourself will understand that in a country where literate in 1913 was 13% and who can read 15% "Cookbook" was not written for peasants.
        2. Cobra77
          Cobra77 5 January 2016 19: 28
          68
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

          Yes and no. We have a normal president. God bless him! yes


          Unfortunately it is necessary. Because only leaders of this level are able to pull the country out of ... where it resides. And our president is normal only when compared with Poroshenko or Oland, well, even against the backdrop of Obama, too, is not bad. And so he’s sorry lousy. We need not liberal tactics (who GDP is, because strategically he thinks rather poorly), but a cynical and tough strategist. Good manager. And this is not about GDP. Just another on the horizon is not visible. So there is no need for illusions.
          1. tolian
            tolian 5 January 2016 19: 53
            -11 qualifying.
            Are you not good?
          2. Altona
            Altona 5 January 2016 20: 42
            23
            Quote: cobra77
            We need not liberal tactics (who GDP is, because strategically he thinks rather poorly), but a cynical and tough strategist. Good manager. And this is not about GDP. Just another on the horizon is not visible. So there is no need for illusions.

            -------------------------------
            Situationally, at the response level, it is almost flawless. But supporting such a failed course of his friend Medvedev, he can lose credibility. Mikhail Delyagin describes the current failure course well. Usually, after the crises of 1998 or 2008, we did not like it for more than six months, and here for a year and a half we are forced to pay for the failed course of the Government, while referring to the pseudo sanctions of the West.

          3. Andrey Draganov
            Andrey Draganov 6 January 2016 00: 37
            -10 qualifying.
            I read your grunt, honestly met would make the brain from drugs rinse.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 34
              0
              "Who said that ?!" And in response: - "We!" - there are twenty of them, and I am one. "So whose statement is this? Specifically!" They say: - "Ours!" "Well ... excuse me, maybe my brain is in drugs? Oink-oink."
        3. WINovikov
          WINovikov 5 January 2016 20: 29
          10
          Yes, let it be healthy, but ... Stalin would not be in the way. Though now not the 37th.
          1. Rosich333
            Rosich333 5 January 2016 20: 35
            -103 qualifying.
            Quote: WINovikov
            Yes, let it be healthy, but ... Stalin would not be in the way. Though now not the 37th.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 5 January 2016 22: 07
              20
              Do you want honest Communists to be shot, not Trotskyists? Yes, this plate is sawn to holes, about millions of executions and innocent victims.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 5 January 2016 22: 48
                -12 qualifying.
                And what is an "honest communist"? This is the opposite of the word "Trotskyist".
                Or maybe it's someone who is not afraid to openly express their opinions. Or those who on every occasion loudly praised the Leader. So which of them was shot more often. And which of them was honest.
                1. unsinkable
                  unsinkable 5 January 2016 23: 24
                  -8
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  . And which of them was honest.

                  Colleague, I am with you against everyone who blames on our president. Worthy man. hi good
              2. Goga101
                Goga101 5 January 2016 22: 59
                23
                NordUral You're right - V. Soloukhin once wrote - "who was killed in 37? Those who killed us in 19 ..."
                1. Petrof
                  Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 09
                  0
                  From bureaucracy and hibernation
                  To protect yourself completely
                  Portrait of Comrade Zemlyachki
                  Hang on, buddy, on the wall ...
                  Then wandering around the office,
                  Pray what you have learned so far
                  Countrywoman only in portrait:
                  A hundred times more terrible than the original.

                  laughing
                  1. Prophetic
                    Prophetic 7 January 2016 16: 53
                    -2
                    Proclamation and strike,
                    Forwarding a huge country.
                    In the nineteenth became a Jew
                    Commissioner of the Civil War.

                    I didn’t know how to wash or give birth,
                    No mother, no wife -
                    Only one revolution matter
                    She understood and knew.

                    Squirts of the KGB handle
                    A month shines in a frosty window
                    And the firearm thing is silent
                    On the sideways belt.

                    Untidy like a true genius
                    And pale as a prophet locked up -
                    No indulgence to anyone
                    Never to find her.

                    Only thoughts like that have become,
                    Permeated her life.
                    All the enemies trembled before her
                    And her were afraid of her.
                    .
                    We are all worth what we are worth
                    A trial will be made soon -
                    And you are under guard
                    On Soviet soil will be taken
            2. seveddi
              seveddi 6 January 2016 02: 46
              +5
              It may be interesting to read how and who made the monster from Stalin.
              http://tehnowar.ru/33110-solzhenicyn-velikiy-predatel-rodiny.html
            3. cuzmin.mihail2013
              cuzmin.mihail2013 6 January 2016 11: 49
              +3
              Here the people in Russia are restless ... It seems - we are discussing Stalin’s predictions about Russia. So no, it is imperative to drag, repression. Well, please explain what they have to do with it.
        4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2016 00: 06
          14
          Quote: GSH-18
          We have a normal president.

          I envy. But here in Russia - some is not very. Science with one foot in the grave, education is breathless, the level of medicine has fallen below low, the industry has leaned on ... instead, hundreds of billions in olympiads and football championships, skolkovs and rostnans. People steal billions in the military - he releases them ahead of schedule ...
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        6. kapitan92
          kapitan92 6 January 2016 00: 23
          +4
          Forgot! Much forgotten! Emotions are ahead of consciousness!
          ..... Stalinist repressions - mass political repressions [1] carried out in the USSR during the period of Stalinism (late 1920s - early 1950s) [2] [3]. The number of direct victims of repression (persons sentenced for political (counter-revolutionary) crimes to death or imprisonment, evicted, exiled) is estimated in millions. In addition, researchers point out the serious negative consequences that these repressions had for Soviet society as a whole, its demographic structure ... (Wiki)
          Guarantor, God grant health, endurance and patience! good
          1. Goga101
            Goga101 6 January 2016 01: 23
            21
            kapitan92 - "Forgot! Forgotten a lot! ..." - So it's impossible to "forget" something that was not there! You from "Wiki" - somehow be more careful, now Google from "MOV" sounds the name of our country as "Mordor" - you will also refer to this - eh?
            And you will not be surprised if you suddenly find out that the "father of the founder" of the camps for political prisoners was not the IS at all, but the "fiery" revolutionary Bronstein (Trotsky), and the fact that then the IS drove this entire Trotskyist gang into the camps created by them can only be seen the highest justice of history. "Millions" you say? Well, well, how many Russian peasants were gassed and fired with machine guns by order of Tukhachevsky during the suppression of the Antonov uprising - huh? And what, Tukhachevsky did not deserve what they did to him? And there were a lot of them, those who enthusiastically destroyed our people, do you sincerely regret that they were not allowed to finish what they started?
            And if we talk about the "negative consequences" - so they consist in the fact that not everyone who needs to be cut down fellow Svanidze alone is worth something, but really it’s a negative consequence ... well, so that IS wouldn’t cut this nasty little family to zero ... and now we’ll put up this crooked face on the screen request
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 11: 54
              -5
              Quote: Goga101
              gassed and shot with machine guns on the orders of Tukhachevsky with the suppression of Antonovsky

              Well, it was necessary to read the latest information that poisonous gases ceased to be released after 17 years, and their shelf life was not more than 4-5 years, and the longer the period from release, the less action there was, and there were not enough shells (500 per hectare) to create a cloud (when used in the forest, not one of our dead and horses tied to trees remained alive), there was no team able to work with toxic substances. So Tukhachevsky can only be blamed for the intention to use gas, but the order clearly stated that it should not be used against villages, but only in the forests, and the places of bandits' locations. By the way, I advise you to learn about the actions of the bandits and what deaths they betrayed their victims: according to our laws, this is a minimum life sentence! This is not a peaceful demonstration was not a pioneer gathering. And if Tukhachevsky wanted to use the gases, he was only to avoid casualties among the Red Army soldiers. By the way: the use of atomic bombs in Japan was precisely for this purpose: to save the lives of American soldiers during the capture of the islands. There is a real use ... and no one says that this is a crime! The Antonov uprising was accompanied by such cruelty towards the captured Red Army soldiers that the highest measure was provided to them in absentia. But the use of gases did not and did not pass.
              1. sherp2015
                sherp2015 6 January 2016 21: 12
                +1
                Quote: shasherin.pavel
                By the way: the use of atomic bombs in Japan was precisely for this purpose: to save the lives of American soldiers during the capture of the islands.


                Do you justify the atomic bombing by the Americans of Japanese cities?
                Yeah...
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 7 January 2016 15: 48
                  0
                  I applied Truman's statement to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. "The purpose of using such weapons is to save the lives of American soldiers." It is strange not to know this, especially since there is even a newsreel of this speech. And you didn’t have to read that after the "Mini-Bikini" the laboratory plane took readings of the natural radiation background over Japan, before Hiroshima, recorded the release of elements into the atmosphere in the Sea of ​​Japan, as after a nuclear explosion, even before the "Kid" was brought to a naval base from the United States. As we can see, the civilized world does not stop before the carpet bombing of cities or the atomic bomb, unlike the dictator Stalin, who banned the bombing of residential areas in Helsinki and Berlin. Banned the bombing of Budapest during the assault.
              2. cedar
                cedar 8 January 2016 13: 36
                +2
                Substantial amendment. The first time Tukhachevsky used gases in the suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion.
                The second is no less significant. The actions of the CHON, which were used not at the fronts, but in the rear, and precisely to suppress the uprising, of which there were a mass!
                The bulk of the CHONs are internationalists .., about 300, some Chinese were 000! Behind them was the terrible thousand-year-old imperial experience of working as a feast, which they fully applied to the peasants who grew up ...
                The third amendment, the most important in my opinion.
                The civil war ended not in 1922, but in 1938 with the processes, executions, and landings known to you, and it ended in the victory of national forces led and led by Stalin!
          2. TiRex
            TiRex 6 January 2016 03: 35
            0
            wiki is a wiki, not we made it up.
            1. Chiropractor
              Chiropractor 6 January 2016 10: 01
              +1
              WIKI:

              Stalinist repressions are supposedly massive political repressions [1] carried out in the USSR during the period of Stalinism (late 1920s – early 1950s) [2] [3]. The number of direct victims of repression (persons sentenced for political (counter-revolutionary) crimes to the death penalty or imprisonment, evicted, exiled) amounts to billions. Besides, ...

              Read the third word from the beginning of the quote and the third from the end.
              I corrected the story.
              I am great! (Not in the sense of a Velik with a steering wheel and pedals).

              All with NG!
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 12: 03
                +4
                Quote: Kostoprav
                I corrected the story.
                chiropractor wrote. I did the same with the history of the Belomorkanal, when in the comments I noted that “in all the years of construction 125 people (not prisoners of canal army) participated in the construction of the canal, that is, with the administration, architects and civilian employees, but 000 died during the construction. this is on one wikipedia page. Would you like to trust? Please! "Come in if that ...".
          3. ilyinval61
            ilyinval61 6 January 2016 15: 39
            +2
            “Is it true that 40 million were convicted?”
            no, that’s a lie.
            from 1921 to 1954, 3 people were convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, of which to VMN - 642 980 people.
            Over the entire period, the total number of prisoners (not only “political”) did not exceed 2.5 million, during this time only 1.8 million died, of which about 600 thousand were political. The lion's share of deaths occurred in 42-43 years.
            Such writers as Solzhenitsyn, Suvorov, Leo Razgon, Antonov-Ovseenko, Roy Medvedev, Vyltsan, Shatunovskaya are liars and falsifiers.
            You see, the Gulag or the prisons were not “death camps” like the Nazi, every year 200-350 thousand people came out of them, the term of which ended. ”

            Zemskov became one of the first researchers to deal closely with the issue of repression, and has been publishing materials on this topic since the beginning of the 90s, i.e. already 25 years old. So figure it out here! My grandfather disappeared in the 37th.
        7. naraevskij1957
          naraevskij1957 8 January 2016 09: 06
          0
          The president is normal, but the government?
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 5 January 2016 17: 46
        87
        Who slanders the Leader of the Peoples, read the biography of Paulus, commander of the 6th Amy, how he and other captured generals were treated as prisoners, and this is after all the Germans' atrocities. Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 5 January 2016 17: 55
          105
          By the way, I wrote about this in another topic. But everything has quieted down there, they will read a little. But the thought is.
          That's what I’m thinking about now. Whom we cleaned our faces not so long ago is not very bad about us and vice versa.
          The Germans were cleaned up during the war, sent to construction sites of the national economy. Not really yelling at us.
          Hungarians during the riot cleaned up, now barking towards the EU, sometimes.
          The Czechs were also cleaned, behaving normally towards us, without squeals.
          But the Poles were not cleaned, somehow it worked out. Ardent Russophobia.
          The Bulgarians helped, they helped, they helped us to step with the South Stream, and closed the space for our aircraft.
          We have not cleaned the Baltic states, we are reaping the benefits.

          Conclusion: often clean and force to work on construction sites of the national economy, then they will love us.
          By the way, the Anglo-Saxons did not work there either.
          1. Kyustenkats
            Kyustenkats 5 January 2016 19: 53
            +7
            Anglo-Saxons do not know how to work and do not like. not one miracle of the world in England, except for those captured and brought, no. just fought the whole story.
            1. Extraneous
              Extraneous 5 January 2016 20: 23
              +8
              Quote: Kyustenkats
              Anglo-Saxons do not know how to work and do not like. not one miracle of the world in England, except for those captured and brought, no. just fought the whole story.

              You are in vain. Britons know how to work. War, by the way, is also work, and not an easy one. Read, perhaps, in London. The psychology of the Britons is described fairly well there. Their main goal is profit. Hence their whole story.
              For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Therefore, there are so many indifferent and outright lazy people in Russia. But there are also many who seek to help someone. The soul demands. Russian "maybe", "how God will send to the soul", "a man harnesses for a long time, but goes fast", Russian fairy tales - all of this and about this.
              1. sssla
                sssla 5 January 2016 20: 56
                +9
                Quote: Stranger
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Because there are so many indifferent and outright idlers in Russia.

                In vain you are so about Russian !! It can be seen that they pressed your ancestors well that you are poisoning like that !!!
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 5 January 2016 21: 32
                  21
                  For Russians, then the main thing is to enjoy life? You are really an outsider. In Russia.
                  Zadolbali such experts in the Russian soul.
                2. Extraneous
                  Extraneous 5 January 2016 21: 51
                  -8
                  Quote: sssla
                  In vain you are so about Russian !! It can be seen that they pressed your ancestors well that you are poisoning like that !!!


                  : o) Where did you see the poison? About do not care - so I myself do not care. And in my life I have seen enough of this nonsense. What in factories, where he worked, what in the navy, when he served. So I have an idea of ​​what I'm talking about.
                  1. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 12: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Stranger
                    And in my life I have seen enough of this nonsense. What's in the factories where he worked

                    So it worked and didn’t care? I’ve been working all my life since 1975 of the year and didn’t see any indifference, but working on my salary, when in practice I was in the workshop where I worked on the deal, I just slept and worked the first week, there was not enough time for dancing and walking.
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 5 January 2016 22: 13
                  25
                  Strange nonsense and lazy Russians, these are the borders from Poland to Japan, but they also worked in California and Alaska. Yes, almost all the republics of the former USSR still live a considerable part of the fruits of the labors of those idlers.
                  1. Extraneous
                    Extraneous 5 January 2016 22: 32
                    +3
                    Who said that indifference does not go well with achieving results? Or have you never exclaimed in your life: "And by ...!". Healthy indifference just helps in difficult situations not to fly off the coils. And about lazy people, I think you are well informed and have dealt with them more than once.
                    Maintaining peace of mind and receiving joy from life for each is purely individual. One is enough to drink and stare in the drawer, the other - they save some money and buy a car, the third - so that the family is in good health and well-being, and the fourth - the table is beautifully bungled - and happy. Someone wants to remake the world and sees happiness in that. Yes, only the latter is never happy.
                  2. MrK
                    MrK 6 January 2016 10: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: NordUral
                    About do not care - so I myself do not care.

                    Well, no luck guy in life, no luck.
              2. brisk
                brisk 5 January 2016 21: 19
                +5
                Quote: Stranger
                The psychology of the Britons is described fairly well there. Their main goal is profit. Hence their whole story.
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life.


                But how did it happen that the British-Anglo-Saxons have --- so much gain, and the Russians have so much - emotional experiences? If an outside observer from another planet looks, then he will be able to say --- those are good, and those are much worse? If you read Russian literature and other works of art to watch (movies, movies, etc.), then the Russians and plenty of mean-spirits had such that their own relatives were torn to the last strand, not to mention strangers ... If in European Russia there was still a lot of soul and I will give the last shirt, then in Siberia there were already money-grubbers, such that they looked only and only as if to tear others out of the throat .. And losers were openly despised in material terms. Well, read there the classics of Russian literature --- there were plenty of such people in Russia --- greedy and despicable merchants (namely Russians, not Germans, Armenians and Jews), nimble swindlers who became rich and wealthy peasants ... Yes, it seems to Mamina -Siberian many such stories described.
                1. Extraneous
                  Extraneous 5 January 2016 22: 00
                  +7
                  : o) Can you tell me how the classics usually show such characters? And actually - who are these very classics? How did you make a living? Literature is a reflection of the views of a particular person on the surrounding reality. Who said that these views are reality itself. With the same success, my views can be presented as an indisputable reality. But these are just my views, with which you, in this case, do not agree.
              3. djqnbdjqnb
                djqnbdjqnb 5 January 2016 23: 43
                10
                Quote: Stranger
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Because there are so many indifferent and outright idlers in Russia.

                Galsworthy (English writer) said: a Westerner seeks to achieve, and a Russian seeks to comprehend. To comprehend the laws of this world, the meaning of life. I can not vouch for the verbatim quotation, for the essence - I answer. So that.
                1. sarmaght
                  sarmaght 6 January 2016 22: 34
                  0
                  The happiness of the Russian - real, not modern, crushed traffic rules and traffic police, which do not allow his soul to roam, turn around without fines from cameras - happiness lies in courage, flight of the soul, where money is a setting for the diamond of the soul. And most importantly in life, it’s close.
              4. Max T.
                Max T. 6 January 2016 00: 15
                +4
                Outsider (probably described when signed) you see is not Russian, so boldly argue from the side. There are no lazy Russians. Few interested in anything specific. Lazy people would not fly into space, unlike hardworking Europe. And they did not build nuclear power plants for themselves and other countries, and there were no railway roads for thousands of kilometers. You can call a lot, I just want to make you think sometimes.
                1. Military Builder
                  Military Builder 6 January 2016 06: 09
                  +6
                  In vain they attacked the Outsider, and there are plenty of lazy and indifferent Russians among the Russians, it all depends on which side to consider these "vices":
                  1. Laziness - the engine of progress (laziness, kind heart and resourcefulness made Emelin stove leave the hut)
                  2. A nonsense attitude to one’s own life and health is precisely the parent of fearlessness and heroism (present in the deed of each GSS and GR).
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 6 January 2016 08: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: War Builder
                    1. Laziness - the engine of progress (laziness, kind heart and resourcefulness made Emelin stove leave the hut)

                    Quote: Max T.
                    There are no lazy Russians.

                    So there will be no progress? sad
                    1. IS-80
                      IS-80 6 January 2016 11: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      So there will be no progress?

                      Will be. Because Russia. laughing
                  2. sherp2015
                    sherp2015 6 January 2016 10: 38
                    +3
                    Quote: War Builder
                    there are plenty of lazy and indifferent Russians among the Russians, it all depends on which side to consider these "vices":


                    And how many cunning, mean and treacherous among other nations sitting on the neck of the Slavic people no one noticed?

                    What is worse for the people and the country: a lazy indifference or businessman (oligarch) cunning, deceitful, vile and even a scoundrel who fraudulently robbed trusting people and driven him into bondage?
                    Who has all the property now?
                    Why is it that an ordinary person can hardly pay for a communal apartment, gas, gasoline?
                2. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 6 January 2016 07: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: Max T.
                  There are no lazy Russians.

                  Well, of course smile - only one fabulous Emelya!
            2. Pamir48
              Pamir48 5 January 2016 20: 51
              0
              Yes, and it’s not very good at war, only sometimes it worked with the natives, and they ate those Cooks crying
            3. NordUral
              NordUral 5 January 2016 22: 09
              +8
              Do not lie. Britons are many in mechanics, and in pure science they came up with. This is not the evil that comes from the Anglo-Saxons.
            4. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 09: 38
              +5
              About the Wonder of the World is subtly noticed. Only the list of miracles concerned ancient civilizations. We have strained them too. Who did they fight with? Hundred Years War of Succession? With the Indians? With the Indians? All their life they have been knocking together (paying) Coalitions and waiting for the bull's-eye to fall, always ripe. By the way, they lost 2mv. See the empire at the entrance and exit.
          2. Awega
            Awega 5 January 2016 21: 00
            0
            Well said...
          3. Goga101
            Goga101 5 January 2016 23: 03
            +4
            Good AAAH - so this is the basis of Marxism:
            - BEAT DETERMINES CONSCIOUSNESS ...
            that is, the more you beat them, the more "conscious" they become, it is not for nothing that they say:
            - for one beaten they give two not beaten ... hi
        2. bulvas
          bulvas 5 January 2016 17: 57
          -57 qualifying.
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Who slanders the Leader of the Peoples, read the biography of Paulus, commander of the 6th Amy, how he and other captured generals were treated as prisoners, and this is after all the Germans' atrocities. Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.


          And it is true.

          And the truth is that if the party leaders really thought about the people they were calling for, and not about their asses in comfortable chairs, no one would scold Stalin and the USSR

          And so - it turned out what happened

          It is not clear, and here it is:

          Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.


          Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.

          So, these phrases are political chatter, like many others, with the goal of leading people away from real problems in the country.

          Really, Stalin said this in the early 40s? As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism



          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 5 January 2016 18: 24
            0
            Quote: bulvas
            As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism

            He first made "Israel"
            The Jewish Autonomous Region was formed on May 7, 1934.
            Only now, the place I chose was not entirely successful lol If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest", and there was no need to wait for 1947, it would be a good republic. You look now, if this happened, and everything would be calm in Dill, and the round dances of friendship would still take place. wink
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 19: 40
              28
              Quote: Serg Koma
              If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest", and there was no need to wait for 1947, it would be a good republic. You look now, if this happened, and everything would be calm in Dill, and the round dances of friendship would still take place.

              So Poroshenko, Kolomoisky and a bunch of Great Dill are not dill at all, but purebred Jews. Something is not visible round dances (Hawa Nagila) friendship between dill and Jews.
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 6 January 2016 22: 26
                -1
                Quote: Алексей_К
                a bunch of Great Dill is not dill at all, but purebred Jews

                Imagine for at least one minute that there would be a republic (even if autonomous) of Israel within the USSR (for example, in the Odessa region, and not in our usual place). What do you think would happen there Maidan?
            2. papik09
              papik09 5 January 2016 20: 06
              +9
              Quote: Serg Koma
              If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest"

              By the way, well, after all, it was planned to create it in the Crimea ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 5 January 2016 22: 36
                +6
                So Israel planned to do in Crimea, and not in Palestine. Only Stalin painted the fictitious all powers, otherwise we would draw all these problems now
                1. Just BB
                  Just BB 6 January 2016 09: 05
                  +5
                  If only the Crimean peninsula were limited ....
                  According to unverified data, the strip of territory should be forgiven far north.
                  including Odessa, Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr.
                  That's when the Leader drew a "wigwam" in the Birobidzhan area
              2. sherp2015
                sherp2015 6 January 2016 10: 48
                +3
                Quote: papik09
                By the way, well, after all, it was planned to create it in the Crimea ...


                It was like this, Mikoels ran around with a letter signed by Zionist friends, in which there was a request to Stalin to create their republic in Crimea ...
                Only Stalin was an intelligent man and a visionary, looking forward hundreds of years. For this he was poisoned.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 6 January 2016 13: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: sherp2015
                  ... Stalin was an intelligent man and a visionary, looking forward hundreds of years. For this he was poisoned.

                  Stalin's insight was tremendous, as far back as 1932, he changed machines for grain foreseeing a future war
              3. colotun
                colotun 6 January 2016 13: 21
                +1
                So it was - only Stalin refused the Jews this request.
            3. Military Builder
              Military Builder 6 January 2016 06: 26
              +2
              Serg Koma - a relative of Polina Pearl or Solomon Mikhoels
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 5 January 2016 18: 35
            10
            Google "UN General Assembly Resolution 3379", which was canceled immediately with the collapse of the USSR. Zionism is something different than what you described
          3. e-egod
            e-egod 5 January 2016 18: 50
            20
            Come on, otherwise bankers all over the world are all Slavs!
          4. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 19: 31
            37
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.

            Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR). These are only Jews. Just the Jews from Russia tried to create their promised land. Did not work out. Stalin slowly destroyed everyone.
            And that's why he voted for the creation of Israel - so there is nothing secret. Let them find their state within the historical homeland, rather than start another revolution in any European country and again lead to a civil and, possibly, to a world war.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 5 January 2016 23: 30
              0
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR). These are some Jews

              C'mon, don’t hang noodles either. Straight ONE Jews, yeah. Budyonny, Dzerzhinsky, Frunze, Ordzhonikidze, Kirov, Lenin, Mikoyan, Kalinin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Antonov-Ovsienko ... Well, Lenin is also a Jew by a quarter. There was such a batch of national minorities, there are Poles, Czechs, Latvians, Georgians, Russians. Jews just cut their eyes, and there really were quite a few of them. Well, not ONLY Jews, right?
              1. Military Builder
                Military Builder 6 January 2016 07: 30
                +9
                But the institute of Jewish wives was not forgotten - if the leader himself is not a Jew, then as a rule his wife is Jewish
                Lunocharsky - Natalya Alexandrovna Rosenel
                Rykov - Nina Semenovna Marshak
                Antonov-Ovsienko - Rosalia Borisovna Katsnelson
                Kirov - Maria L. Marcus
                Kalinin - Ekaterina Ivanovna Lorberg
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 6 January 2016 16: 45
                  0
                  Quote: War Builder
                  But the institute of Jewish wives was not forgotten - if the leader himself is not a Jew, then as a rule his wife is Jewish

                  What to do, simpotki jewish smile Not every Bolshevik can stand it. True, they fade quickly and turn into thick, grumpy aunts too soon.
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 6 January 2016 07: 42
                0
                Quote: Alex_59
                C'mon, don’t hang noodles either. Straight ONE Jews, yeah. Budyonny, Dzerzhinsky, Frunze, Ordzhonikidze, Kirov, Lenin, Mikoyan, Kalinin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Antonov-Ovsienko ...

                Jews are Jews! All Jews and you are all Jews smile
                And Budyonny and Nikita
                Adored incognito
                Corn matzo
                Lamp-dartsa to their face ...

                Lenya Brezhnev, thank God,
                He also ran to the synagogue.
                Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...

                And the father of my ideas
                Karl Marx - and that Jew ...
                Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 6 January 2016 07: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  Jews, Jews, Jews alone.

                  Hello Alexander.
                  Well, Ng and * how are Ukrainians? * - not already in trend?
                  Everything is back to square one laughing
                  Good morning !
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                  2. bulvas
                    bulvas 6 January 2016 10: 25
                    -1
                    Quote: Алексей_К

                    Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR).


                    Again you with your conclusions. I already suggested that you change the keyboard so as not to write any good.

                    This means that millions of leaders with party membership cards in the USSR who thought only about "party discipline", but in reality - about their asses in warm chairs, and who, as a result of their "service to the party and the people" brought the country to the 90s - that's all Jews?

                    Even if so, what role do you assign to us the Russians and other nations of the USSR and Russia in what is happening to the country - suckers who are twisted and turned by a handful of "Jews"?

                    The handful who arrived in Israel in the 90s ("climbing Mount Zion", where the term "Zionism" originated) turned the country into one of the most high-tech in the world, raising medicine to the highest level, setting a new bar for education and science.

                    So they left, but something in Russia did not get better. What, again "the machinations of Zionism"?

              3. sherp2015
                sherp2015 6 January 2016 10: 50
                0
                Quote: Alex_59
                C'mon, don’t hang noodles either.


                yes 99%
          5. lopvlad
            lopvlad 5 January 2016 21: 05
            14
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is the movement for the Jews to live in Israel



            no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

            I think no free people would want to work and fight for the interests of a foreign state?
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 January 2016 07: 59
              0
              Quote: lopvlad
              no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

              But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work? so that i know hi
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 6 January 2016 11: 22
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work?

                Do they work? belay what No, I don’t want to go to Israel then, I didn’t expect such a thing, however. You’re a cruel man, kill my bright dream of doing nothing, have fun every day and get a lot of money for it. recourse sad
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 6 January 2016 12: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Quote: atalef
                  But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work?

                  Do they work? belay what No, I don’t want to go to Israel then, I didn’t expect such a thing, however. You’re a cruel man, kill my bright dream of doing nothing, have fun every day and get a lot of money for it. recourse sad



                  But this post will still receive many advantages.

                  I hope I'm wrong

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            3. bulvas
              bulvas 6 January 2016 10: 30
              -1
              Quote: lopvlad
              Quote: bulvas
              Zionism, as far as is known, is the movement for the Jews to live in Israel



              no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

              I think no free people would want to work and fight for the interests of a foreign state?



              Before you "think", understand the essence of the question and terms

              Accustomed to blaming Russia for good and looking for enemies to justify their mistakes

          6. djqnbdjqnb
            djqnbdjqnb 5 January 2016 23: 47
            11
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.


            Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 6 January 2016 00: 14
              +8
              "Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism"

              It's much worse. Since he was elevated to the rank of everyday natural life by the "God of the Chosen People." And they immediately try to suppress any disagreements with squeals about the unthinkable suffering of the Jewish people. Even among the terrible victims of all peoples in the Great Patriotic War, they are trying to bargain for a special place for themselves.
              And the main "roof" is not Israel, but the United States.
            2. sherp2015
              sherp2015 6 January 2016 10: 52
              +3
              Quote: djqnbdjqnb
              Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism


              There is still Zionofascism, this is the worst evil.
          7. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 January 2016 07: 37
            +3
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 6 January 2016 10: 32
              0
              Quote: Bayonet
              Quote: bulvas
              Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements..



              This quote is not mine
          8. sherp2015
            sherp2015 6 January 2016 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: bulvas
            Really, Stalin said this in the early 40s? As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism


            He did not expect that the Zionists would throw and spit in their feeding hand
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        4. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 5 January 2016 18: 19
          13
          Yes, this is not Globa for you, here the forecast is based on knowledge, intuition and experience. And then the stars, spirits, ghosts, pah devilry! stop
        5. GSH-18
          GSH-18 5 January 2016 18: 24
          -6
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.

          So what? Should we unconditionally believe the captive enemy that he abruptly reeducated and fell in love with us? This chatter for loxov.
        6. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 5 January 2016 21: 17
          -3
          Well, yes, hundreds of thousands of "enemies of the people" were shot, but Pauls is your friend of the Soviet Union.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 6 January 2016 06: 21
            +3
            And why, then, 100% of Nazi collaborators were not shot? Why haven’t they shot all of Europe and the Germans? After all, Stalin loved corpses so much! Europeans are alive today, accomplices of fascism are alive. Strange however! Shoot your own, and leave your enemies life.
            1. poquello
              poquello 6 January 2016 13: 21
              0
              Quote: 34 region
              And why, then, 100% of Nazi collaborators were not shot? Why haven’t they shot all of Europe and the Germans? After all, Stalin loved corpses so much! Europeans are alive today, accomplices of fascism are alive. Strange however! Shoot your own, and leave your enemies life.

              he saw no danger in them
          2. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 12: 22
            0
            And look what happened in France after the revolution ... Look at all the revolutions in the world, how do they end? And remember when these fiery revolutionaries of the world revolution went to prison for their crimes ...
        7. Chiropractor
          Chiropractor 6 January 2016 10: 10
          +1
          That's what a prisoner in the Suzdal Spaso-Efimievsky monastery does with people!
        8. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 12: 06
          0
          The commander of the Romanian army in 1976, visited Suzdal, where he was in captivity after February 2, 1942 (the official date of the end of the Battle of Stalingrad) and kissed the "blessed land".
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 5 January 2016 18: 36
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Pharao7766
        Missing you, really missing you ...

        Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. wink We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        Andrei, you often write clever things, but sometimes, you still want to wash your brains with "saline" ... but apparently because of my age ... so I'm probably wrong, in an old man's way ... sorry. .. I guess I know too much, I have to go ... hi
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 5 January 2016 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          sometimes, you still want to wash your brains with "saline" ...

          So, this .. Just sometimes joking unsuccessfully sad Damn, often because of such jokes, troubles gotten into my life. My peculiar sense of humor is to blame for his ...
      4. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 5 January 2016 18: 41
        -103 qualifying.
        Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 18: 51
          56
          Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be. Harvest precious, it will be useful to you there.
          1. poquello
            poquello 5 January 2016 19: 43
            -19 qualifying.
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be. Harvest precious, it will be useful to you there.

            that is, as I understand it, it is not enough for a civil war?
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 21: 17
              +4
              Who spoke about the civil war? Interestingly, I have not heard this for several years. Open all sites, they are clogged with 3mv. And such things with a fifth column behind their backs do not lead. It is necessary to prepare, however, and quickly.
              1. poquello
                poquello 5 January 2016 21: 55
                -6
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Who spoke about the civil war? ...

                so
                We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be.

                people may not want to go where they should go, it is now the neo-Stalinists successfully breed and agitate, and they are not sent anywhere with their different opinions
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 8 January 2016 07: 56
                  +1
                  And who considers the liberal people? We have it less than 5%. I think for the start of a new upsurge of Siberia should be enough. Oh, oh, oh neo-Stalinists. Shortcut. Give the Idea that these 95% follow you. You can’t, then you’ll go yourself, where most will lead. With a compliment.
          2. Max T.
            Max T. 6 January 2016 00: 25
            0
            Respect !!!!
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 6 January 2016 07: 46
            -4
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be.

            In !!!
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 11: 50
              +2
              Bayonet, you do not fuss. We are in Russia, slowly harnessing. For now, see Rogozin about Stalin. Do not touch the guarantor, all the same, the guarantor has no right. And think about it !!! leave your woman, this is not for ...
        2. azbukin77
          azbukin77 5 January 2016 19: 21
          21
          You are not smart! Not Stalin RUSSIA is lacking, but a firm and ruthless hand, so that every traitor, any white-collar worker knows his place, and even the filthy thoughts do not go into your head.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 5 January 2016 20: 51
            +3
            That is precisely what Stalin's popularity is today.
            Quote: azbukin77
            Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,
          2. atalef
            atalef 6 January 2016 08: 01
            0
            Quote: azbukin77
            Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,

            Indeed, in a fit of adoration. everyone will buy a petroleum jelly.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 6 January 2016 12: 28
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              Indeed

              you don’t have enough of this, every day at the borders of soldiers policemen are being cut in cities ... Palestine = terror, but there is no government for them. Recall how your soldiers, not caring for the soft-bodied authorities, crushed the hands of terrorists with stones so that they could no longer shoot. Oh, how much noise there was about this in the world. And why? Politicians have soft gloves, and soldiers have a cut belly.
            2. poquello
              poquello 6 January 2016 13: 34
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: azbukin77
              Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,

              Indeed, in a fit of adoration. everyone will buy a petroleum jelly.

              I rarely agree with you, but yes - the mentality, "beats means loves"
        3. Platonich
          Platonich 5 January 2016 19: 23
          +4
          And, I wonder, who is this "we are not holding you"? Are they not liberal-gendorasts?
        4. papik09
          papik09 5 January 2016 20: 07
          +4
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!

          You too ... am
        5. pl675
          pl675 5 January 2016 23: 29
          +7
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!



          This little article, for that, and spanked - monitoring srach, we find out the percentage of "love of the population for the second-hand father of nations."
          statistics. dry numbers for advisors and specialists of the self-knowing team.
          this is an opinion. no more.
        6. Starik72
          Starik72 5 January 2016 23: 53
          +1
          Nikolai K. Well, do you advise people that you will never do it yourself voluntarily, that is, voluntarily leave life ??? To wish people death is the most vile, think about it. I don’t put you a minus, YOU grabbed them anyway.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 6 January 2016 00: 12
            -7
            I don’t want anyone to voluntarily leave life, because it’s a sin. On the contrary, I really want common sense to prevail in people and they understand that to drag a person from the past into our world is just as stupid as we go to his world. Everything has its time and place.
            1. Starik72
              Starik72 6 January 2016 12: 33
              0
              Yes, some couch army seems to me, reading comments do not delve into the essence of the comment, and are scattered by minuses and pluses, but oh well, God judge them. And I’ll advise you, Nikolai, before writing, think carefully about what you want to write about.
      5. Aleks Kruglov
        Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 18: 41
        +5
        The great and Blessed for centuries, JV Stalin and VV Putin did not stand by!

        history reference:

        Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich (1952 -?)

        Director of the gas station of PJSC "RF" of the Vasilyeva-Serdyukov era

        Stalin (Dzhugashvili) Joseph Vissarionovich (1879 - 1953)

        SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 18: 58
          19
          Why do you need second place in GDP? Not just a leader, but the creator of a great country. Social, culture, and public safety.
          1. Aleks Kruglov
            Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 09
            20
            Such a huge country like Russia is simply not able to maintain its sovereignty over world industrial giants - the United States, the EU and China, standing on raw rotten legs. A powerful Soviet army was based on no less powerful and self-sufficient 95% of civilian industry!
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          3. Petrof
            Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 26
            +5
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            public safety.


            was it safe on the streets?
            Oshchepkov (the first Russian judoka) went with his students to the park to train on skirmishes with hooligans
            and this is Moscow 30 years
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 21: 46
              +5
              Dear, let's take it in order.
              I remember the street from 1960. In the city of a million people, excesses happened once a year and the whole city was buzzing. "My police took care of me," really.
              You have some kind of maximalism. After the Civil and Patriotic War there is always a surge and a very slow fading for several years. And how many trunks! As far as I know, they also undressed, there was little money and they killed, so what? This is in all countries during such periods. And now the police will not run away, you can run into the trunk. But then in the evening a policeman could stop in the street, "What's in this pocket?" And God forbid there are folds with a blade longer than 4 fingers ... But all were seized. Of course, decent adults were not stopped, attention to youngsters.
              1. Petrof
                Petrof 5 January 2016 22: 42
                0
                I'm talking about the times of Stalin, but rather about the 30s
                it’s not after the war
                according to the memoirs of those who lived then, the hooligan was developed, there wasn’t much calm, there were quite a lot of crimes
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 08: 22
                  +4
                  Petrof.
                  Well here again! I’m telling you, look not at the time the system was installed, but at the system itself, when it developed. In the 30s, Stalin himself did not know whether he would wake up in the morning. Trotskyists however. Interested in a bully, see 38-41gg. Narrow, well, we’re not lucky, war.
                  Stalin created the country and she continued to live quietly after him, what do you not like about the 60s? Education, healthcare, social development developed. We are talking about achievements, which is completely destroyed.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 January 2016 13: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Mavrikiy

                    Stalin created the country and she continued to live quietly after him, what do you not like about the 60s? Education, healthcare, social development developed. We are talking about achievements, which is completely destroyed.

                    Lenin created the country, completely lied
                    1. Mavrikiy
                      Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 18: 33
                      +1
                      poquello, dear!
                      You should have a bucket in the Sentsa, take a sip of cold.
                      What did Lenin create by 1923 and what did Stalin create by 1941, not enough? Then by 1953 And further, the inertia of a huge country. Compare, think, just do not rush to conclusions, otherwise it will be a stressful blow stronger than the nervous system.
                      Here Leninists settled.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 6 January 2016 23: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        poquello, dear!
                        You should have a bucket in the Sentsa, take a sip of cold.
                        What did Lenin create by 1923 and what did Stalin create by 1941, not enough? Then by 1953 ...

                        I have cold vodka in my refrigerator and champagne on a table by the Christmas tree which was forbidden under Stalin.
                        What Putin created by 2016 I like it anyway, but I didn’t think of such idiocy as to say that he created the Russian Federation.

                        Merry Christmas to all! Fortunately, it is now possible.
                      2. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 7 January 2016 03: 06
                        +1
                        poquello
                        “I have cold vodka in my fridge and champagne on the table by the Christmas tree, which was prohibited under Stalin.
                        What Putin has created by 2016 I like it anyway better, but I didn't think of such idiocy as to say that he created the Russian Federation. "

                        Confused again. Cold from the bucket, not cold from the refrigerator!
                        And now everything is not difficult, but very difficult. Fighting religion. Banned since 1929. it is Christmas. Well, excesses on the ground, the enthusiasm of the Komsomol, the "union of atheists" it was. Another thing is that New Year has become a holiday since 1947.
                        Lenin had no time to create the country, it was necessary, from the beginning "to destroy". Finland there, Bessorabia here, and Z. Belarus with Ukraine, the Balts? Have you been to school for a long time? Take books from your son, oh yes, Wikipedia is also possible. In what year did Lenin retire? Under Lenin, only scraps of the Great Empire, which had suddenly turned into independent Soviet republics, were thrown away into the Kucha. By the way, who was there dealing with the national question? When did Lenin retire? And who sent out detachments to strangle the hydra of the counter-revolution? There was once.
                        And the fact that Putin created the Russian Federation came to your bright mind, with which I congratulate you.
                        Therefore chilly from the bucket, soon to the service.
            2. Max T.
              Max T. 6 January 2016 00: 31
              +2
              The police will not run now, because it is less and less. No one will run soon. January-February another 10% reduction. Catch your bullies yourself. fellow
              1. poquello
                poquello 6 January 2016 01: 46
                +1
                Quote: Max T.
                The police will not run now, because it is less and less. No one will run soon. January-February another 10% reduction. Catch your bullies yourself. fellow

                but the houses have nothing to do recreated
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 10: 34
                +5
                My young friend! And why did she have time to run!
                In the USSR in 1990 1 policeman for 467 people.
                In 2012, 1 policeman for 129 people.
                Yes, everything is simple, we set up classrooms, created services, structures, and that’s not enough money. Not from the offices to cut.
      6. v-sorok
        v-sorok 5 January 2016 19: 11
        -1
        I apologize! Passed by mistake! ++++
      7. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 5 January 2016 19: 57
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
        SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

        The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany
        1. Aleks Kruglov
          Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 20: 16
          15
          Do not tell the nonsense that is well-known to all schoolchildren of the USSR — Western crap in the 30s of the 20th century tried to direct Hitler’s aggression against the USSR, but didn’t want to counterbalance Germany! Therefore, there was a Munich conspiracy of 1938, therefore, they did NOT GIVE Stalin to implement the 1935 treaty of the USSR - France - Czechoslovakia on mutual military assistance, and Poland and Romania categorically refused even the flight of the USSR Air Force over their territories to Czechoslovakia.

          The USSR did not receive a cent on its industrialization - all its sources were inside the country: collectivization, the seizure of church values, etc.

          You just need to KNOW the subject of which you are going to argue.
          1. poquello
            poquello 5 January 2016 22: 17
            -10 qualifying.
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            .
            The USSR did not receive a cent on its industrialization - all its sources were inside the country: collectivization, the seizure of church values, etc.

            You just need to KNOW the subject of which you are going to argue.

            Here from this place in more detail. The total robbery of all who could make something allowed to build factories? How many factories were exported - how many were built? Capital movements, etc.? They talked about three five-year plans, but about money neither, there is no hitchhiking to communism.
            1. Aleks Kruglov
              Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 22: 32
              +4
              All these were the internal resources of the country - no one gave external loans to the USSR either in Europe or in the USA.
              1. poquello
                poquello 5 January 2016 23: 21
                0
                Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                All these were the internal resources of the country - no one gave external loans to the USSR either in Europe or in the USA.

                I already read it from you, you see - machine tools cost money, and where are the numbers? Well, as in 3 five-year plans.
                Hey Stalinists, well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                1. Prophetic
                  Prophetic 6 January 2016 00: 22
                  +8
                  Well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                  When Hitler came to power, the trade turnover between Germany and the USSR decreased by an order of magnitude, and Germany with England, France and the United States began to grow exponentially, doubling every year. In addition, these guys forgave Hitler huge reparations, which Germany was obliged to pay a hundred years, that is, to this day. The West began to fatten Hitler in order to set him against the USSR. The only mass purchase of USSR equipment from Germany was before the war on CREDIT, which the Germans gave us for 5 years at the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, which we received in the form of machines and equipment, but were not given to the Germans.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 January 2016 01: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: Prophetic
                    Well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                    When Hitler came to power, trade between Germany and the USSR decreased by an order of magnitude ...
                    ... The only mass purchase of USSR equipment from Germany was before the war on CREDIT, which the Germans were given to us for 5 years at the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, which we received in the form of machines and equipment, but were not given to the Germans.

                    Wow, thanks for the information, otherwise "where have you all gone?" CREDIT is a loan, and there were also American factories, etc. I did not give it to the account, I don’t know, trains with grain went to them until the war. And then the miracles of industrialization are direct - there are no attendants, everything is on one desire.
                    1. Prophetic
                      Prophetic 6 January 2016 02: 37
                      +6
                      Stalin, unlike the current liberals, tried to trade in RENEWABLE resources - grain, forest, furs, fish, and buy machines and equipment for them. And the current ones trade in non-renewable resources, but buy clothes, luxury goods and food. The grub was transferred to shit, but the debt remained.
                      They gave it to the account, I didn’t give it, I don’t know, trains with grain went to them before the war

                      Compositions with grain went just to pay for this loan, which was given for 5 years. We got their machines completely, and they managed to give them no more than 10%.
                2. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 10: 58
                  +3
                  poquello
                  Well, the men want to destroy the stereotypes that have been formed for decades. They taught at school, read books, again "the most important of the arts." And why, everything is clear, logical. We are against them, they are against us (I mean the bourgeoisie). What loans to a gravedigger? You will forgive me wretchedly, not just, but very simply you can listen to Kasatonov. And not only will there be questions about the miracle, there will be answers on industrialization. For what you did not understand the cons, probably for the "Stalinists". It is ugly to glue labels.
                  However, when liberalism will be plagued in the country ... I will also sign up!
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 January 2016 14: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    poquello
                    Well, the men want to destroy the stereotypes that have been formed for decades. They taught at school, read books, again "the most important of the arts." And why, everything is clear, logical. We are against them, they are against us (I mean the bourgeoisie). What loans to a gravedigger? You will forgive me wretchedly, not just, but very simply you can listen to Kasatonov. And not only questions will arise about a miracle, there will be answers on industrialization ...

                    Kasatonov is a treacher and populist.
                    1926 - Germany provided the USSR with a guarantee loan of 300 million marks for the purchase of goods.
                    1930 - An agreement with Italy on the provision of government guarantees in the amount of 200 million lire for Soviet orders placed in Italy.
                    1931 - An agreement on the placement of Soviet orders in Germany in the amount of about 300 million marks. A loan agreement with Italy on the provision by the Italian government of a guarantee loan for Italian exports to the USSR in the amount of 350 million lire.
                    1935 - Agreement on the provision by a bank consortium of the USSR trade mission in Berlin of a loan of 200 million marks.
                    1936 - Agreement on the provision by Great Britain of a loan to the USSR in the amount of up to 10 million pounds. Art.
                    1939 - Trade-credit agreement with Germany (granting to the Soviet Union a loan of 200 million marks for the purchase of German goods and the supply of Soviet goods to Germany for 2 years worth 180 million marks).
                    1940 -Loan agreement with Sweden on the provision of a loan of 100 million kroons to the Soviet Union.
                    1941 - Lend-lease loans.
        2. tao
          tao 6 January 2016 00: 20
          +1
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

          The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany

          Much, what have Marx and Lenin to do with it. USSR created Stalin.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 08: 59
            +1
            Well excuse him. Emotions
            At the same time, all homework. German Marx financing efficiency as a counterweight to Germany. The second one. The effectiveness and prudence of Germany, which funded Lenin against himself.
          2. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 6 January 2016 22: 49
            0
            Quote: tao
            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

            The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany

            Much, what have Marx and Lenin to do with it. USSR created Stalin.

            Marx created the idea, Lenin tried to bring it to life (by the way, it was he, not the ITT, who created the USSR-allied treaty that signed 30 December 1922 of the year, Lenin died in 1924 year), and Stalin spoiled the whole ideology and ... yes, yes, to the real Nazi (socialism with a focus on one nation) state. And the departure from ideology could not but lead to the fact that in the 1991 year, despite all the attempts to save the Union, it collapsed
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 7 January 2016 03: 40
              +2
              "Marx created the idea, Lenin tried to bring it to life (by the way, it was he, and not the IVS, who created the USSR-union treaty was signed on December 30, 1922, Lenin died in 1924), and Stalin twisted the whole ideology and turned the country into .. .yes, yes, into a very real Nazi (socialism with an emphasis on one nation) power. And the departure from ideology could not but lead to the fact that in 1991, despite all attempts to save the Union, it collapsed "

              Another from the gorilka got burned, however the flag explains a lot.
              1. Dates seem to converge, but when Lenin retired and who was involved in the national question?
              2. What is the emphasis and which nation? Speak intelligibly. The nation did not even have its own CP, and half of the nations were not military men.
              And in general, you need to go to the podium in the Rada, they will understand and applaud, adequates.
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 08: 45
          +4
          Dry_T-50
          Well done, think right, comrade!
          I understand all the books, unconditionally, you can’t believe, but anyway, my friend, at least sometimes, look at them.
          First, answer your question, who financed Hitler and why? I suspect at first it will work out: to have a counterbalance to the USSR. What nonsense. Invest money, there and there, that is, in the oven of war. Do not despair and take up the question why did you give money to the "gravedigger of capitalism"? By the way, look at the state of Germany, its army in the 30s. And it turns out that "foreign capitalists" Hitler was not afraid. Well, there was no Germany, there was a big ruin due to everyone. Just like yours ... Oh, I'm calling.
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 6 January 2016 23: 06
            -1
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            First, answer yourself the question, who financed Hitler and why? I suspect at first it will work out: to have a counterbalance to the USSR. What nonsense. Invest money, there and there, that is, in the oven of war. Do not despair and take up the question why did you give money to the "gravedigger of capitalism"? By the way, look at the state of Germany, its army in the 30s. And it turns out that "foreign capitalists" Hitler was not afraid

            Verno. But see for yourself: 1) give the British money to Hitler, he invests them in the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex produces equipment and sells their armies, that is, the state takes money from foreign investors for payment. At the same time, the banks lending to the military industrial complex and Hitler are growing, as if on yeast.
            2) Americans give money to Stalin, he invests them in the industry, in general, repeats the actions of Hitler
            3) Hitler and Stalin were in debt to the Americans and the British and are trying to negotiate to resist the creditors together. But there are mongrels like the Finnish government who do not allow the German-Soviet bloc to intensify and the attempts to get along are failing. The USSR and Germany are faced with their forehead
            4) Americans and Englishmen secretly sponsor enemies and sell them equipment. After it became clear which of them is longer, the landing in Normandy begins in order to prevent Stalin from subjugating Europe, and the bombing of Germany must destroy all evidence of help to the Germans. Finances that have been unwound are gradually being brought abroad along with those that may be useful in the future (we recall figures like Pinochet, they, too, have kumilis with Fritz at the end of 40's)
            5) after the victory over Germany, the hysteria against the USSR is wound, during which the proceeds are launched into the western industry, thereby reducing profits.
            6) after half a century, the Soviet Union collapses, and all the money invested in it, which has multiplied many times, is deposited in Western banks.
            Here is an algorithm for increasing your own capital. How do you?
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 7 January 2016 13: 59
              +1
              "1) the British give money to Hitler, he invests it in the military-industrial complex. The industrial complex produces equipment and sells them to the army, that is, the state takes money from foreign investors for payment. At the same time, banks lending to the military-industrial complex and Hitler are growing by leaps and bounds."

              Trying to build a logical chain, welcome. Only there you decide on terminalology: is Hitler a state? Is the British, foreign investors, banks the same thing? When the number of actors decreases, it becomes clear, crap.
      8. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 5 January 2016 21: 05
        0
        Alex Kruglov, why does your flag change in every post? Whose will you be?
        1. Aleks Kruglov
          Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 21: 13
          +3
          citizen of the USSR and the Russian Federation
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    3. Maj.
      Maj. 5 January 2016 19: 03
      0
      moderator immediately delete this post with a poster that offends two leaders at once
    4. Aleks Kruglov
      Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 04
      42
      JV Stalin made the second industrial power in the world in terms of GDP in the world, and not a despicable gas station like the filthy liberals of the past 25 years!

      http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

      The growth rates of the Soviet economy under Stalin were such that today's China cannot imagine at all!

      http://www.greatstalin.ru/articleseconomy.aspx

      under Stalin, the ruble did not depend on commodity prices and the US dollar because it was gold since March 1, 1950!

      http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html

      under Stalin, prices REDUCED, and the salaries of RUSSIA from year to year!

      None of the Leaders of Russia and the USSR, either before or after him, cared so much for simple, working people!

      http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html

      And finally, under Stalin, there was NO rotten liberalism, LGBT pederasty, prostitution, unemployment and drug addiction, homeless people!

      All the filthy liberal leaders - the pygmies since 1991 - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin and the little finger are not worth the Great and Blessed in the centuries of JV Stalin!

      After 25 years of domination of the liberal thieves trash, Russians are waiting for the second coming of Stalin more than the Jews of Mashiach!

      STALIN WITH US!

      1. Goga101
        Goga101 5 January 2016 23: 17
        0
        Aleks Kruglov - special thanks for the anthem! +++++ good
      2. Max T.
        Max T. 6 January 2016 00: 41
        +1
        Alex, if not a secret, you yourself did something useful out of shit ??? There are no words for Gorbi and Benya. Only GDP understands what was transferred. Raising an army from mud is an expensive pleasure. It is difficult to maintain social programs in an attempt to redraw the economy in a reasonable manner. And do not compare with Stalin. I respect both. Only after the war did people come home more responsible and zealously fair. Currently, only scoundrels and freeloaders are sufficient. You need to learn to work, not just make money. Phew It is impossible to measure different quantities with one ruler. soldier
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    6. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 5 January 2016 19: 12
      10
      I would advise that person who was preoccupied with a poster about a bastard to go and work, to earn money at least a little to begin with. These pro-Shtat holodrans are already sickened out, it doesn’t matter, ours or Ukrainian. Stalin was, it is a fact, if not for him, all the Eastern Slavs went under the knife. After 300 years, descendants will appreciate what was good and what is bad.
    7. Aleks Kruglov
      Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 18
      18
      Feel the DIFFERENCE between the Great I.V. Stalin and V.V. Putin in the country's economy:

      1st FIVE YEAR (1928-1932)

      The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

      "In accordance with the policy of industrialization of the country, first of all, the production of means of production should be strengthened ... the growth of heavy and light industry, transport and agriculture ... The fastest pace of development should be given to those industries that raise economic power in the shortest possible time. and the defense capability of the USSR ".

      Intensive industrialization of the country began.

      A total of 1500 large industrial enterprises were built.

      National income increased almost 2 times.

      The volume of industrial production increased by more than 2 times.

      Construction of the Dneproges power station (the largest in the world).

      Metallurgical plants were built in the cities of Magnitogorsk, Lipetsk, Chelyabinsk, Novokuznetsk, Norilsk, Sverdlovsk (Uralmash).

      Tractor plants were built in the cities: Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Nizhny Tagil (Uralvagonzavod).

      Automobile factories were built: GAZ, ZIS.

      New industries appeared: tractor, automobile, aviation, machine-tool, heavy and agricultural engineering, ferrous metallurgy, and chemical.

      The second coal and metallurgical base was created - Kuzbass.

      The Turkestan-Siberian Railway was commissioned.

      Unemployment was eliminated in the country and a 7-hour working day was introduced.

      Socialist transformations of agriculture: 211 thousand collective farms, 150 thousand tractors, 2446 machine-tractor stations, 70 thousand specialists with higher and secondary education.

      Gross industrial output 3 times exceeded the level of 1913.

      The USSR came out on the 2nd place in the world in mechanical engineering, pig iron smelting and oil production and on the 3rd place in electric power production.
      1. Aleks Kruglov
        Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 20
        14
        2st FIVE YEAR (1933-1937)

        JV Stalin, February 4, 1931: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us."

        The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

        A total of 4500 large industrial facilities were built.

        National income grew 2,1 times.

        Industrial output grew 2,2 times.

        The volume of agricultural products grew by 1,3 times.

        Highly qualified personnel were trained. Slogan: "Cadres decide everything!"

        Military factories were built, and they began to produce tanks, planes, and guns.

        Metro construction in Moscow.

        Intensive development of domestic aviation - new institutions, design bureaus, factories.

        On the ANT-25 aircraft, the crew, consisting of V. Chkalov, G. Baidukov, A. Belyakov, made a non-stop flight through the North Pole from the USSR to the USA.

        Canals were built - the White Sea-Baltic (227 km) and Moscow-Volga (128 km).

        Schools were built and opened - 3,6 thousand in cities and towns and 15 thousand in rural areas.

        456 thousand tractors, 128 thousand combines, 146 thousand cars were already working on the fields of collective farms and state farms.
        1. Aleks Kruglov
          Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 22
          14
          3st FIVE YEAR (1938-1942)

          The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

          3000 new large industrial enterprises commissioned (until June 1941)

          Gross output of the whole industry increased by 45%, and machine building - by more than 70%.

          Hydroelectric power stations - Uglichskaya and Komsomolskaya - were commissioned.

          Metallurgical plants - Novotagilsky and Petrovsk-Zabaykalsky were built.

          Copper smelters were built - Sredneuralsky and Balkhash.

          The Ufa oil refinery was built.

          In 1940, the number of workers and employees rose to 31,2 million, compared with 11,4 million in 1928.

          The five-year plan passed during the years of expectation of the war, so the army had to constantly increase spending - 25% (1939), 34% (1940), 43,4% (1941).

          The production of new types of military equipment was mastered - T-34 medium tanks and KV heavy tanks, BM-13 rocket launchers (Katyusha), Il-2 attack aircraft (Flying Tank), Pe-2 bombers, LaGG-3 and Yak fighters. -1.



          It was not possible to finish the five-year plan, the war began.
          1. Aleks Kruglov
            Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 23
            +8
            4st FIVE YEAR (1946-1950)

            The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

            The main economic and political task of the post-war five-year plan was formulated by JV Stalin on February 9, 1946: "to restore the affected regions of the country, restore the pre-war level of industry and agriculture and then surpass this level in more or less significant proportions."



            Soviet people successfully solved this problem with their heroic work.

            Constructed new and restored 6200 large industrial enterprises.

            The metallurgical plant Zaporizhstal was restored.

            Dneproges entered into operation.

            Earned all the mines of Donbass.

            Agriculture reached the pre-war level.

            Work on the Atomic Project was progressing successfully - atomic weapons were created.
            1. Aleks Kruglov
              Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 25
              14
              5st FIVE YEAR (1951-1955)

              Head of State - I.V. Stalin (until 05.03.53), N.S. Khrushchev.

              Over 3000 large industrial enterprises have been built.

              National income grew 71%.

              Industrial output grew by 85%.

              Agricultural output grew by 21%.

              Investments increased almost 2 times.

              Metallurgical plants were built: Transcaucasian, Cherepovets.

              New hydroelectric power stations have been commissioned (in whole or in part): Tsimlyanskaya, Gorky, Ust-Kamenogorsk.

              A nuclear power plant was built in Obninsk (the first in the world).

              A new weapon has appeared: atomic and hydrogen bombs.

              The intensive development of the oil and gas industry began.

              Coal mining growth.

              Accelerated development of engineering and instrumentation.

              The Omsk oil refinery was built.

              The Volga-Don Canal was built.

              Qualitative changes have occurred in the industry: there are 300 industries.

              The Stavropol-Moscow gas pipeline (the largest in Europe) was built.

              The growth in the number of tractors in the village from 139 thousand (1950) to 1 million (1955).

              By the end of the 50s: tractors - 1 million, combines - 500 thousand, trucks - 700 thousand

              13 million hectares of new land were put into circulation.
              1. Aleks Kruglov
                Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 19: 29
                11
                And now Putin’s epoch-making achievements in all of his 15 years of government:

                In 2013, Russia's exports amounted to $ 527,3 billion, which is 0,5% or $ 2,5 billion more than in the previous year. At the same time, due to incomplete accounting of FCS trade within the framework of the Customs Union, Russian export data are underestimated, according to Vlanta, by about 2-3 billion dollars, mainly for deliveries to Belarus.

                Fuel dominates in Russia's export structure. In 2013, its share was 70,6%, which became a new historical maximum. In the early 2000s. The share of fuel in Russian exports was approximately 55%, and since 2008 it has not dropped below 66%. Fuel supply in value terms also reached an absolute maximum of $ 372 billion. Metal products traditionally occupy the second place in Russian exports. In 2013, its share was 7,7% - this is the absolute minimum in the recent history of Russia (in the mid-2000s, metal products accounted for 15% of exports). At the same time, the value of metal exports in value terms in the reporting year — about $ 41 billion — was comparable to 2006. The third place in Russian exports belongs to chemical goods, their share in 2013 was 5,8%, which is 7- summer minimum. The value of exported chemicals in 2013 - about $ 31 billion - was slightly lower than the record levels of 2011-2012.

                Since 2005, the three groups above have consistently accounted for 84–87% of Russian exports.

                CONCLUSION: one in 12 years (1928 - 1940) built the world's second industrial superpower by GDP in the world, and the second - a gas station.
                1. In search
                  In search 5 January 2016 19: 40
                  +1
                  Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 5 January 2016 19: 49
                    +6
                    Quote: In search
                    Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".

                    You were not mistaken, the subconscious mind chose the correct answer, but it knows everything in advance.
                  2. Max_Bauder
                    Max_Bauder 5 January 2016 20: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: In search
                    Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".


                    Site not mistaken, comrade?
                  3. iliitchitch
                    iliitchitch 5 January 2016 21: 14
                    -2
                    Quote: In search
                    Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".


                    And this, colleague, is a classic case of juggling (I'm talking about verbose). Schizophrenia is the other way around - for schizans, the premise is wrong, then everything is logical, but for cheaters, on the contrary, they started for health, and then fucking up wattle, maybe these stupid Russian sheep in letters will get confused. And so the picture stands before his eyes - Putin does not sleep and thinks how to steal something else from the Russian People for the sake of an extra column. So the minus is quite logical - nature, it is fair, it makes adjustments of its own accord.
                2. Max_Bauder
                  Max_Bauder 5 January 2016 20: 20
                  13
                  I always knew that Western grant-eaters and liberalism, under good intentions, would push their own, like a prude, wherever possible, in the media, show business, movies, TV, and the Internet, even more so, and the endless steppe. First, they fought with Stalin on the forums, proving with foam at the mouth that he was a villain and murderer - the same as Hitler, only in a red guise. When they realized that this "does not work," they began to "strangle" Putin against his background. Troll thickly. Wrong site. A true patriot always knows that the entire liberal rag-tag is still in power, and all their dirty deeds are smeared on Putin, as it was during Stalin's time, even though he could shoot outright traitors, Putin has not yet such untied hands, but only for now.
                  And yet, how much was Stalin in power, and how much Putin? Does he have time until 2025? also where would the Russians not come to power in 2000m Putin? I tell you, would be the slaves of Khodorkovsky, who would sell power over all the country's oil to the hands of the Americans, people would remain poor as then, no increase in salaries and vacations abroad, except for majors, Chechnya, Dagestan and Kazan and the Far East, Siberians would separate , there would be such chaos and civil as outside Ukraine, the abolition of all benefits and pensions, the increase in communal services, Russia would be a poor country, and it would come to all kind of needles and smoke.
                  1. combat66
                    combat66 6 January 2016 00: 33
                    -1
                    And it should be noted that at the same time V.V. did not shoot your own people in batches, you liberast, or homosexual .... So, especially gifted, lovers of "iron grip", look for enemies outside of Russia, or brotherly blood have not yet sipped?
                    1. MrK
                      MrK 6 January 2016 11: 04
                      +4
                      Quote: combat66
                      So, especially gifted, lovers of "iron grip", look for enemies outside of Russia, or have not enough brotherly blood?

                      And their own, robbed the Russian people, kiss in a hick or what?
                    2. combat66
                      combat66 6 January 2016 12: 48
                      -1
                      But this is a question of a different order.
                      "A thief should sit in jail!"
                      So, prove and plant!
                      And to slap a person is a matter of seconds.
                      The question is methods of proof and preventive measures. Otherwise, gentlemen and comrades, we will soak both right and not right, but in essence our own people. But, it will not solve the problem with theft ..... Sincerely .... winked
                  2. Volzhanin
                    Volzhanin 6 January 2016 23: 48
                    0
                    You can shatter the population even without executions. What the Zionists did during ebony.
                    Lost the population for more than the whole WWII.
                    Alkashization, drug addiction and debilitation of the country are continuing at no less shocking pace.
                    The "educational" system turns our children into imbeciles-degenerates by pouring into their brains a mess of monstrous lies!
                    This is evidently in order not to lag behind the Western "partners".
              2. FREGATENKAPITAN
                FREGATENKAPITAN 5 January 2016 21: 12
                +4
                It’s just that the GDP understands that now we will not take money for reforms anywhere except from oil and gas exports ..... Not Putin has destroyed the economy since the end of the 80s for 2 years ... it is strange that you do not understand this .... .Yes by the way ...... here I am ready to argue that you are not riding a Lada? Support the domestic manufacturer cheers patriot you are our industrial!
                1. iliitchitch
                  iliitchitch 5 January 2016 22: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
                  It’s just that the GDP understands that now we will not take money for reforms anywhere except from oil and gas exports ..... Not Putin has destroyed the economy since the end of the 80s for 2 years ... it is strange that you do not understand this .... .Yes by the way ...... here I am ready to argue that you are not riding a Lada? Support the domestic manufacturer cheers patriot you are our industrial!


                  ABOUT ! Imagine that Putin was tasked with curators in 2000 to destroy the Russian economy. Well, he’s insidious, instead of just stupidly drowning her (and so didn’t breathe almost), he doesn’t begin resuscitation, for what, one wonders? This is probably to mislead the mighty liberals, so that there would be something to remember for those wretched at the dump, how they almost won the Regime, and about the thirty that the State Department had not forgotten. Ugh, damn it, E2-E4. It is especially touching as all this abomination with mournful appearance broadcasts nonsense on TV live and says, they say, they’ll cut it all the same. But they are not cut out, they are shown without cuts. Show nails, show their nails, haven’t cut them for 10 years already, they are chewing ...
              3. Nikaviz
                Nikaviz 5 January 2016 23: 13
                0
                After 90 x .... You can throw this crap on NOT wassat ZALEZHENYU.Tam swallow ... hi
              4. Max T.
                Max T. 6 January 2016 01: 00
                -2
                Well this is how much you dragged a stranger here, I look from different sites. And I looked for pictures, and texts, I would have understood what you were humming about.
              5. Victor-M
                Victor-M 6 January 2016 02: 20
                -7
                Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                CONCLUSION: one in 12 years (1928 - 1940) built the world's second industrial superpower by GDP in the world, and the second - a gas station.

                And the third - the provocateur Aleks Kruglov at this time sits and knocks on the buttons, instead of raising the country.
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              1. Irokez
                Irokez 5 January 2016 19: 47
                +2
                Listen to Aleks Kruglov, don’t put pressure on emotions and do not compare the terrible time Russia suffered after the revolution provoked by world oligarchs when almost the whole world took up arms against the country and that perestroika that drove us deep into the swamp and nobody else loves her softly like you ( and not as hard as Stalin) pulls and puts on his feet.
                Do not compare times and epochs, they are different and, accordingly, the methods are different.
                You are either a liberal propagandist or a stupid overpatriot (fan) who is used against Russia, and you don’t even notice it.
                It would be better to be silent as a patriot, and not make a comparison between the ages and the leaders of the positive plan as a liberal.
                And it may turn out that the Cossack, then mishandled.
                1. 34 region
                  34 region 5 January 2016 20: 21
                  19
                  Iroquois! Why can't you compare times? Then there was a devastation and a country in the ring of sanctions. And they lifted the country! Today inherited a rich inheritance and the pace of zero! Do not be offended? Why is Putin pulling the country? I won’t look at him; he constantly brow. Come help, invest and build! Honestly, it's disgusting to look at this begging. Why should someone do something to us? Are we disabled? Well, Putin does not have a slogan: Nobody but us! Well, at least kill no. There is a slogan: Someone! Do something! And that’s it! Constant appeals to citizens for private business. Our state does not want to do anything at all. Guys, you do something there, and we will take taxes from you. For the time being, I see only such a dialogue of leadership with the people. The leadership itself does not want to do anything. And the crisis is to blame for all their troubles. But what does the leadership do to prevent crisis phenomena? Do we have a development strategy for the country? Questions are resolved only upon receipt.
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 5 January 2016 20: 42
                    -10 qualifying.
                    Quote: Region 34
                    Our state does not want to do anything at all.

                    This alone suggests that you, my friend, do not know anything at all or simply do not want to know, because you are biased in your opinion and do not want to change it, but it will honestly tell you the wrong one.
                    After all, the state is not only the GDP and its team with the same liberal or non-liberal ministers and helpers in the districts and regions - it is also the whole motley people that are part of Russia and think that the GDP will do everything for you and will catch any seller if he hung you in your local market will be wrong. GDP is in the capital above, and you, on the ground in the outback, should be willing to do their job and not complain.
                    And then, after all, to what it comes to the grandmother sitting on the bench, and the girl walks past in a miniskirt and the grandmothers begin to criticize the GDP like "Where is Putin looking."
                    Or you need to bring everything on a platter and do everything for you. Do you also need to chew?
                2. Aleks Kruglov
                  Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 20: 24
                  13
                  Why don't "compare"? That our environment is now less hostile than the one in which the USSR was in the 20s and 30s? Or is there no threat of a major world war now as then?

                  Or the words of the Great in the centuries of I.V. Stalin have lost relevance today:

                  JV Stalin, November 19, 1928: "It is necessary to catch up and overtake the developed capitalist countries. Either we will achieve this, or they will overtake us."

                  I.V. Stalin, February 4, 1931:
                  "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We have to cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we will be crushed."

                  The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

                  "In accordance with the policy of industrialization of the country, first of all, the production of means of production should be strengthened ... the growth of heavy and light industry, transport and agriculture ... The fastest pace of development should be given to those industries that raise economic power in the shortest possible time. and the defense capability of the USSR ".

                  WHY do we not hear these words from Putin now, but only the idiocy of his liberal ministers: "We must wait for the rise in oil prices" ?!
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 5 January 2016 21: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                    Why don't "compare"? That our environment is now less hostile than the one in which the USSR was in the 20s and 30s? Or is there no threat of a major world war now as then?

                    You are right different conditions.
                    After bleeding the population of Russia (the revolution itself and the civil war, and even the First World War) and destroying an economy that was faster than the leading countries of that time (England, France or Germany) in order to survive, it simply needed barbaric and cruel methods. Do not forget that Comrade Trotsky was just a Cossack mishandled like Lenin and Sverdlov and many others from that elite and they were not really planning to build and rebuild, but rather worked to the west, but supposedly under the slogans of a new life and a new world.
                    So from the beginning, Stalin fought for power with these Cossacks, and then heads flew left and right just for power so that one team was formed so that the sticks were not inserted into the wheels and at that time there were no special economic successes.
                    And only after Trotsky (very influential in the West) was expelled (mind you could just kill) without daring to touch, and the main construction began. The West, seeing such matters, imposed an embargo on all imports to the USSR and even gold that seemed to be a world currency was not accepted as payment from the USSR, which exacerbated pressure on the country, but made a tricky move, requiring wheat as a currency. So the answer is not the famine and the genocide that Stalin and his team allegedly carried out, but it turned out that the surpluses were taken out (namely, the surpluses, and who thinks that it was intentionally for hunger, it’s the old anti-Stalinist cadre so balamuly against the supposedly tyrant Stalin). And why exactly wheat, because in Russia bread has always been a staple at any time, and this is the holy of holies that the Westerners encroached on in order to cause unrest and rebellion among the peasants.
                    Well, let’s continue and for industrialization we needed exactly wheat for the purchase of machine tools, machines, automobiles and so on. And do not forget that against us also Germany payments were made for allegedly losing in the First World War (how tricky it was all done). From Russia at that time everything was pulled and drained as they could.
                    Well, what could Stalin do? It is correct to come up with the initiative and slogans like "If we cannot buy, then we will do it ourselves, that is, we will catch up and overtake." Everything is logical and here you can't argue if you can't buy it, then we'll do it ourselves, but oh, how it was necessary urgently and immediately so that times were inclined to war and therefore everything was quick, clumsy, hastily, but our own and this pace gave us the opportunity to cope with Fascist Germany. And the price for this was great human losses, nerves and almost slavish conditions of survival (yes, it was slave because there was no other way).
                  2. Irokez
                    Irokez 5 January 2016 21: 24
                    0
                    Read more.

                    So what nowadays for comparison if you want this?
                    - Industry collapsed not GDP
                    - Stanko / auto industry did not collapse GDP
                    - There is a currency (gas, oil and other resources)
                    - The Third World War, if it is planned, is not a war
                    - There are no harsh working conditions (which is, oddly enough)
                    - the victims of the struggle for power are not visible (although there was a putsch in Moscow, but this is a trifle compared to the great revolution)
                    - Yes, the struggle for power was already in the past, but it is also in the present, that is, liberals must be removed and true patriots must be put in place, and with this it’s hard not to be hard in our time only stroking and sending out the door gently
                    - yes there are sanctions, but they are precisely our new industrialization (if we take it according to Stalin) and raising the economy
                    - If we compare Stalin and GDP, then only from this reign of his, well, a little to Medvedev.

                    That's why we will see what happens next, and then it will be better and harder, but you will still think that this is not enough because you just forget what happened in the past and what happened now. The comparison line is lost and blurred.
                    Learn to compare adequately and impartially taking all sides of the comparison, and not just those that are beneficial to you.
                    Good luck.
                  3. Aleks Kruglov
                    Aleks Kruglov 5 January 2016 21: 44
                    +3
                    However, your arguments are strange, blocking the indisputable sitting of GDP ALL 15 YEARS ON THE PIPE ...

                    I will answer you MIRRORLY:

                    it was not JV Stalin who destroyed the Russian Empire — liberals Guchkov and Kerensky, as always, did this.

                    it was not JV Stalin who started the civil war and war communism — this was done by Lenin (Blank).

                    It is not JV Stalin who is to blame for the fact that he was left with an agrarian backward country that had to be urgently industrialized.

                    And do not use the typical methods of Putinists at all - do not substitute theses in the dispute.

                    I’m not talking about what I didn’t write before Stalin and Putin, but about what they both PERSONALLY did for their 12 (1928 - 1940) and 15 (2000 - 2015) years of sole rule under almost equal starting conditions!
                  4. Irokez
                    Irokez 6 January 2016 00: 03
                    -2
                    Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                    I’m not talking about what I didn’t write before Stalin and Putin, but about what they both PERSONALLY did for their 12 (1928 - 1940) and 15 (2000 - 2015) years of sole rule under almost equal starting conditions!

                    Dear, well, you are being cunning, and you are not setting the dates for merit.
                    Well, according to Stalin, for example, he, like the Cossacks, was a revolutionary, and he didn’t strengthen Russia, but to put it mildly, and only when the power passed to Sverdlov, Trotsky and Lenin (in order of importance in the revolution of the first times) he began to go out from under the shadows to the top. Further, the struggle for power was won by the Leninists against Sverdlov-Trotsky, but Stalin was not Leninist, but only went to Leninism in the fight against the Trotskyists, and the Tsarist regime and the Comrade ruined. Kerensky, with his destructive laws and on a platter, handed over the management of power to the Revolutionaries.
                    For his 12 years, Stalin had already had his hands untied and the white painters (well, such as the opposition) were already in the deep underground and Stalin could safely carry out any reforms.
                    Yeah, but in your GDP since 2000, you had full power and did what you wanted? Do you also confirm this by looking impartially or again disingenuous? During these years, the squeezing of pro-Western managers and advisers from power began slowly (right now, in Ukraine, the SBU, the Banks and all power were in the west, and if an intelligent president comes to them right now, then he will not have enough time to change the composition of the government without blood ) and the economy was not discussed, especially since it was not one person who ruled the economy, but the ministries, the structures of the oligarchs that appeared, and so on, and they did what they wanted and hell, which you would do even as president. This is not a saber wave in the civilian.
                    If you don’t see the shifts, then recall:
                    - from the beginning, the oligarchs for some reason began to leave Russia, they planted someone, they did not touch the loyal
                    - gradually, oil profits somehow began to fall into the budget
                    - feuds at the borders ceased
                    - the former team of Yeltsinists is greatly thinned out of power (we don’t touch Chubais even though he made a lot of it, but there is probably some kind of agreement with the main liberal on temporary neutrality).
                    - It’s hard not to act at this time because, as I wrote at the wrong time, they will understand incorrectly in our consumer age.

                    Then the change of president (4 years so-so flew by) and here again the GDP.
                    and what do we see?
                    I won’t speak. One of his ratings for himself will say everything both domestically and in the world, and this is very serious, and it is from this time that you begin the countdown of his actions.
                    All. Point
                  5. Max T.
                    Max T. 6 January 2016 01: 30
                    0
                    Alex confuse the numbers or are you stealing them from other sites in this form? Anyway. To begin with, from the beginning of VOSR, Stalin participated in it and not as a janitor, and this is the year since 1912 and what should have been understood. At the beginning of the 1st MV Russia was also a leader in agriculture. and in heavy industry, and the development and mining of minerals. The Russian Empire, along with the United States, occupied a dominant position in world agriculture. This is especially evident in the example of grain crops: in the first 14 years of the 15th century, the sown area increased by 10%, grain yield by 20%, and grain harvest per capita by more than 5637%. Gross grain harvest - 92,5 million poods (1 million tons) - 1 place in the world (half the world rye crop, second place in wheat harvest), as well as 647,8 place in grain export - 10 million poods (610 651 thousand were exported) tons) of cereals. The total volume of grain exports amounted to 1 million rubles. 77576st place in the production and export of butter - exported 1906 tons of butter; Vologda oil is becoming a global brand, and “Siberian” oil was actively consumed by the European aristocracy. In the period 1914-6, industry on average grows by 1887% per year. On the whole, over the period 1913–4,6, industrial production in Russia increased 1900 times, and the country ranks fourth and fifth in the world in terms of the absolute sizes of iron ore mining and smelting of coal and steel. With the start of exploitation of the Baku oil and gas region, Russia in 3,4 even reached the first place in the world in oil production. Russia's share in world industrial production increases from 1881% in 5,3 to 1913% in XNUMX.

                    In terms of total industrial production, it ranks 5-6th in the world, catching up with France, and even surpassing it in several respects. After the crisis of 1899 (1900) - 1903 and the ensuing depression ended, Russia increased industrial production by one and a half times in 1909-1913, with heavy industry growing at a faster pace - 174,5% versus 137,7% for light. And this is a backward country. And it was not liberalists who ruined the country alone, other parties also helped. How can it be without strikes in factories and other significant for the development of the state. Remember yourself whom the communists in the old films cherished: workers, students, railroad workers. These are the most. But there are city-forming enterprises. The people and the mustache were agitated there, the process stood up. Then the soldiers paused: the officer is eating, we do not want to fight. and there is no army. And after all, scum with slogans. Do not forget about the war with everyone: with the Entente in the west, with Japan in the east. But all different party crap destroyed the army with verbiage. And you, too, stop doing verbiage like liberals. Idle talk. What you wrote above is not the answer. This is someone's stolen text. No more.
                  6. 34 region
                    34 region 6 January 2016 06: 44
                    -1
                    Max T! The picture is beautiful. Did the Russians produce Baku oil? And the owners of the factories of whose countries were? And Nikolai whom he invited to his parties? Who was at the top of the guest list? Russian surnames? High growth! If it was zero and suddenly one, then the growth is 100%. If there was a unit and the second appeared, then growth is 100%. Your statistics are complete nonsense. More precisely, juggling.
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          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 6 January 2016 02: 23
            +2
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            Why don't "compare"?

            Because then the Zionists were removed from power, and now they have made victims, although in reality the victim is the Russian people.
        2. MrK
          MrK 6 January 2016 11: 13
          +6
          Quote: Irokez
          and no one else but GDP like you dislikes it gently (and not harshly like Stalin) pulls it and puts it on its feet.


          I will list a small fraction of how Putin puts the Russian economy on its feet slowly but inevitably:
          Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
          Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
          Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
          Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
          Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
          Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
          Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
          Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
          Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
          Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
          Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
          Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (born in 1947 - killed in 2009);
          Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (born in 1938 - killed in 2009);
          The second Moscow watch factory "Glory" (born in 1924 - killed in 2006);
          Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (born in 1941– killed in 2010);
          Plant "Stankomash" (Chelyabinsk) (born in 1935 - killed in 2009);
          Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (born in 1949 - killed in 2008);
          Kronstadt Marine Plant (born in 1858 - killed in 2005);
          Kuzbasselement Plant (born in 1942 - killed in 2008);
          Irkutsk Radio Plant (born in 1945 - killed in 2007);
          Precision casting plant "Centrolit" (Lipetsk) (born in 1963 - killed in 2009);
          Tomsk Instrument Plant (born in 1961 - killed in 2007);
          Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1970 - killed in 2004);
          Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (born in 1952 - killed in 2003);
          Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);
          Orenburg Hardware Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
          Khabarovsk factory "EVGO" (born in 2000 - killed in 2009);
          Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (born in 1959 - killed in 2003);
          Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1952 - killed in 2008);
          Orenburg Silk Fabric Combine (born in 1972 - killed in 2004);
          Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (born in 1825 - killed in 2005);
          Flax Association them. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (born in 1939 - killed in 2011);
          Far Eastern Radio Plant (born in 1993 - killed in 2009);
          Bicycle factory (Yoshkar-Ola) (born in 1950 - killed in 2006);
          Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (born in 1940 - killed in 2007);
          Perm Bicycle Plant (born in 1939 - killed in 2006);
          Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011);
          Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1941 - killed in 2011);
          Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (born in 1931 - killed in 2010);
          Irkutsk driveshaft plant (born in 1974 - killed in 2004);
          Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (born in 1807 - killed in 2012) ...
          .and even more than 70 thousand (!) factories and factories that died in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders under the leadership of the sun.
          From the book of Alexander Kurlandchik “Damned Soviet Power” ... on Prose. RU.
          1. combat66
            combat66 6 January 2016 12: 54
            +1
            And did you try to make a list of what was created during the "time of the sun"? Try, there is a reason not to panic.
            By the way, any business (the same factories - a business) has its own life cycle ....
            What died is dead!
            Look for what is born. smile
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 7 January 2016 04: 09
            +2
            combat66
            "By the way, any business (the same factories - business) has its own life cycle .... What has died, has died"

            Yes Yes. How deep and true it is. And so comes "Ford", "Caterpillar", "Boeing". Or maybe they live well, because they have cleared the area (trading) for them?
            By the way, the list (-) is presented, present as a defender (+), well, very curious. But the result is known in advance. Factory (-) 30 to the street, screwdriver assembly factory (+) 000 to the machine and the achievements are equal to the losses.
        3. Irokez
          Irokez 6 January 2016 15: 19
          -2
          Quote: mrark
          From the book of Alexander Kurlyandchik “Damned Soviet Power”

          And you also curse the Soviet government, or already Russia? Read less books of an emotional nature showing only negative and nothing more.
          You want to say that in the USSR it was only being built and nothing was being destroyed or was reoriented to other directions?
          In a market economy (well, the semblance of a market can be said) Russia did not push Russia into GDP, but those who ask before it also do not collapse, and what collapsed even with GDP (although Medvedev ruled in 2008-2012) is a consequence of past reformers ( -There are new owners of parasitic reformers) because not all drowning people can be saved, and sometimes they don’t need to be saved, because their products are simply not in demand or simply as old as the world. Keep this in mind, but the defense backbone has remained incomplete, and a civilization called Russia has not perished, and this is the main thing.
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 5 January 2016 20: 20
    -17 qualifying.
    just don't forget about the price - 10-15 million lives of dispossessed peasants!
    1. Makk
      Makk 5 January 2016 22: 20
      +6
      During the reign of Vladimir Putin from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2013, over 14 more people died than were born in 7484458 years.http://maxpark.com/user/3121148154/content/854815
      What is hepatitis C called?
    2. Goga101
      Goga101 5 January 2016 23: 39
      +8
      Weyland - and who now counts millions of unborn children - huh? And who will count the millions of dead from simple, easily treatable diseases? Yes, just look at the statistics (official) - in 2015, the number of SUICIDES even exceeded the number of car accident victims and suicides of more than 20 thousand per year ... think about it - two divisions at all ... yourself, from despair - and you here on the site you polish parquet language:
      "all is well beautiful marquise ..." so what?
      There are no fools here, even roll over your head, and under Stalin, despite the complete devastation after Gr. wars and catastrophic losses in the Second World War - the USSR was the second economy in the world, and the Russian Federation - the 10th, while still in 24 years the RF GDP has not reached the level of the RSFSR GDP - in -a business executives, in "talents" ... only a blind person does not see this, or a scoundrel - you do not have a wide choice ... request
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 5 January 2016 23: 49
        0
        I do not hide my opinion about Stalin and in this thread I have already unsubscribed that I agree with the assessment that Mao gave him: "70% of achievements, 30% of errors"!
        1. 34 region
          34 region 6 January 2016 06: 48
          +3
          He who does nothing has zero percent error. Can you give an example with zero percent error?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 6 January 2016 11: 44
            -1
            Quote: Region 34
            Can you give an example with zero percent error?


            If the Bible already says that the Lord repented of the fact that he led the Jews out of Egypt, it seems to hint that even the Lord is mistaken.
            And Mao’s formula is good in that it recognizes Stalin’s undoubted and numerous merits, but at the same time allows these errors correct - otherwise the stubborn Stalinists, who threw minuses to me, are ready to step on the same rake, referring to the authority of Stalin!
            Immediately I remember Stalin's "love death wins! "and the subsequent" fools, this is a mistake! "
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 6 January 2016 11: 44
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            Can you give an example with zero percent error?


            If the Bible already says that the Lord repented of the fact that he led the Jews out of Egypt, it seems to hint that even the Lord is mistaken.
            And Mao’s formula is good in that it recognizes Stalin’s undoubted and numerous merits, but at the same time allows these errors correct - otherwise the stubborn Stalinists, who threw minuses to me, are ready to step on the same rake, referring to the authority of Stalin!
            Immediately I remember Stalin's "love death wins! "and the subsequent" fools, this is a mistake! "
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  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 5 January 2016 21: 05
    +5
    How can you compare the incomparable? ..... Stalin, Putin ... = Two different eras. different conditions ...... With all due respect ... the rate of growth .... Do you remember all the shock-Komsomol construction projects .... etc. Who worked for them ...... Belomorkanal ...... for example ... but more modern BAM, Volzhskaya HPP named after Lenin? ..Yes, we still have people who remember how it (the hydroelectric power station) was built and who in its bulk ... and where their barracks were located .... So, now such a rate of development cannot be in vain !! And these comrades did not work for 7 hours ... So that we will be completely honest and not deceive ourselves and others ... I will not say anything about collectivization at all ... no matter what correct slogans it is called ... we are still unraveling. ..and the "Holodomor" of Ukraine and famine in the Volga region, in the North Caucasus ... all from there ...... So that Putin cannot currently arrange Stalin's five-year plans ...... Or do you agree to wave a pick ... So go ahead!
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 5 January 2016 21: 26
    +3
    For your information, by the 1928 year, the USSR did not even reach the imperial 1913 year in terms of smelting pig iron.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 6 January 2016 02: 17
    0
    Quote: Aleks Kruglov
    The USSR came out on the 2nd place in the world in mechanical engineering, pig iron smelting and oil production and on the 3rd place in electric power production.

    Forgot to add that people worked on enthusiasm and for workdays, but are you ready to work for workdays? Refuse modern goods?
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 6 January 2016 06: 58
      +5
      No one calls for shod bast shoes. The distant past: 1998, the crisis is more beautiful than today. Two people, Primakov and Gerashchenko, pulled the country out of the swamp. For 8 months, industry grew by 20%, but then they left. So, what to invent it’s not necessary, everything was already and not so long ago. Just take and use. The natural question arises: why do not they take it?
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 5 January 2016 20: 26
    0
    If appears at all. It's a pity!
  • RUSS
    RUSS 5 January 2016 21: 00
    -2
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Pharao7766
    Missing you, really missing you ...

    Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. wink We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

    Putin is working, but this freak in the photo is either a specific loser or just a sucker who blames anyone but his own self for blame, judging by his age, he did not live under Stalin, and how can he judge that time?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 5 January 2016 22: 02
    0
    I want to believe that this is so. Although there are many doubts. But the leaders of the scale of Stalin in our country were no longer there, no matter how you look deep into the ages. There were great ones - Ivan the Terrible, for example, his father. But there were more gray and insignificant ones. But it is a pity that our people and our country are worthy of a new Stalin in the new time. Such a person may also appear.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 5 January 2016 22: 09
      -3
      Quote: NordUral
      But it is a pity that our people and our country are worthy of a new Stalin in the new time.

      No, thanks.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 6 January 2016 08: 11
    +4
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    we now have a light option

    And the commissars of his light. And the economy.
  • NIKOLAI T
    NIKOLAI T 6 January 2016 08: 35
    0
    So "bastard" is the signature of the author. A bit strange :)
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 6 January 2016 10: 46
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

    If Putin were Stalin, then the Ukrainian problem would no longer exist, as would the Ruin itself. laughing IMHO.
  • Avantageur
    Avantageur 6 January 2016 11: 22
    +4
    Quote: Pharao7766
    Missing you, really missing you ...

    Very, very lacking ...

    Quote: V.V. Karpov. Generalissimo
    “The result of the repressions carried out by Stalin was not only the defeat of Trotskyism and all kinds of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian blocs and oppositions - the main victory of Stalin, historically strategic in scale, is actually the defeat of Zionism on the territory of the Soviet Union. Having won the victory over Zionism, Stalin thereby saved the peoples who inhabited the Soviet Union from enslavement no less dangerous than the Nazi invasion. If the victory in the "political war" of the 20-30s. won by the Trotskyists, the course of history in our country would immediately take the form of true enslavement and extermination of the indigenous population, like what is happening now, starting from the 90s, in our country ”


  • Al Gene Kruglov
    Al Gene Kruglov 6 January 2016 14: 49
    +2
    History

    Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich (1952 -?)

    director of the gas station of PJSC "RF" of the era of Vasilyeva - Serdyukov.

    Stalin (Dzhugashvili) Joseph Vissarionovich (1879 - 1953)

    The leader of the SECOND in the world in GDP (after the USA) of the industrial superpower of the USSR.

    HOW can I compare them?

    Feel (those) THE DIFFERENCE of their economic policy:

    Great Stalin:

    http://www.greatstalin.ru/articleseconomy.aspx

    http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

    http://igpr.ru/articles/razvitie_sssr_pri_staline

    http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html

    http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html

    http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html

    And here are V. Putin's "epoch-making achievements" for all his 15 years of rule - a gas station of the Russian Federation:

    http://www.vlant-consult.ru/information/board/430
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 January 2016 23: 21
      0
      Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
      And here are V. Putin's "epoch-making achievements" for all his 15 years of rule - a gas station of the Russian Federation:

      Well, under Stalin, too, they were driving raw materials abroad — wood there, grain. Look at your leisure time diagram of the composition of Russia's GDP for the 2013,2014 and 2015 years, and compare it with the 1996,1998,2000,2002 and 2004 indicators.
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  • Al Gene Kruglov
    Al Gene Kruglov 6 January 2016 14: 56
    +2
    and under Putin there is this?

  • Al Gene Kruglov
    Al Gene Kruglov 6 January 2016 15: 05
    0
    Under Stalin, alcohol consumption was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1,9 liters per day of pure alcohol per year - 1952) than in tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 liters. and more than 10 times less than now under Putin (20-25 liters). Under Putin, Russia is the leader in child alcoholism.
    Drug addiction under Stalin was not, because there was no drug mafia. Over 20 years, the number of drug addicts has increased by more than 10 times and now, according to the Federal Service for Drug Control of the Russian Federation, it is 5,1 million people. From drug use, every year from 70 to 100 thousand people die. Russia is one of the leaders in the scale of child addiction.

    Under Putin, many times seen on Red Square is this?

    1. Irokez
      Irokez 6 January 2016 15: 46
      +1
      Wow, how quickly you change your nickname was "Aleks Kruglov", and by now "Al Gen Kruglov". Want to seem more Russian and in a hurry in Russian wrote something incomprehensible.
      And the avatar I don’t understand is a man or a woman, but whoever a liberal is anyway smacks of, although you write some patriotic posts, but out of place and kindle it for the sake of showing off and emotions.
      The censor will definitely appreciate you.
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 8 January 2016 16: 30
        0
        Quote: Irokez
        Wow, how quickly you change your nickname was "Aleks Kruglov", and by now "Al Gen Kruglov".

        The many-sided anus was exposed. laughing
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 8 January 2016 16: 29
      0
      Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
      Under Stalin, alcohol consumption was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1,9 liters per day of pure alcohol per year - 1952) than in tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 liters. and more than 10 times less than now under Putin (20-25 liters).

      Did Tefft tell you this? laughing
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  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 6 January 2016 18: 40
    +3
    Well, suppose Putin is far from the Generalissimo.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 7 January 2016 13: 04
    0
    Well, it's not even a very, very light option.
    Honestly, I wouldn’t even compare
    Such people as Stalin's history, alas, are not rich.
    DO NOT COMPARE INCOMPARABLE!
    If it were a "light option", he would at least recognize the merits of the "hard option"!
  • Viktorbalovnev
    Viktorbalovnev 7 January 2016 14: 26
    0
    More Putin then can be without Stalin!
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 5 January 2016 17: 12
    81
    Surprised by the geeks who know how to read the article in one minute. repeat

    To tell you the truth, I have not heard anything about this interview before, but I definitely know another phrase of Stalin: A pile of garbage is being thrown on my grave, but the wind of history will dispel it.

    Unfortunately, such people come to the top, God forbid, once every 100 years, but the main thing is that recently many people began to realize the contribution of Stalin. I remember how back in the early XNUMXs, everyone shouted about the tyranny of Stalin, but history still heals people ..
    1. Sharapov
      Sharapov 5 January 2016 17: 30
      -137 qualifying.
      And reading the article to a faithful Stalinist is not necessary. The main thing is to be the first to inherit the empty phrase in the comments. I saw the holy profile - and in ecstasy. And do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood, all the same - the great one.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 January 2016 17: 38
        66
        Quote: Sharapov
        do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

        Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 17: 43
          -71 qualifying.
          the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

          great warlords commanded yes

          I am killed under Rzhev,
          In a nameless swamp ....
          1. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST 5 January 2016 17: 57
            27
            Quote: Petrof
            the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

            USSR 433037, Germany ~ 330000. Only 1.3 times more. It’s not bad for an offensive ...
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 5 January 2016 18: 07
              10
              EvgNik
              Quote: Sharapov
              do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

              Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.
              Yeah, Sharapov! Well, you said!
              In this regard, for an unbiased and scientifically sound understanding of the essence of this problem and what is happening today, I advise you to read Nikolai Starikov’s new book “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 c .: ill. Everything is explained in great detail there.
              I would give the State Prize to N. Starikov for this book. A worthy thing for understanding the national security of Russia.
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 5 January 2016 18: 45
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov, “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 pp., ill.

                Thanks for the info. hi
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 5 January 2016 20: 12
                  15
                  Petrof
                  great warlords commanded yes
                  I am killed under Rzhev,
                  In an unnamed swamp,
                  So generally can not be compared.

                  Alexander Twardowski “I was killed under Rzhev”
                  I am killed under Rzhev,
                  In an unnamed swamp,
                  In the fifth company,
                  On the left,
                  With a cruel raid.
                  I did not hear a break
                  And did not see that flash, -
                  Exactly in the abyss from the cliff -
                  And neither the bottom nor the tire.
                  (...)
                  The front burned, not abating,
                  As on the body of the scar.
                  I am killed and do not know -
                  Is our Rzhev finally?
                  (...)
                  No, it's not true! Tasks
                  Toy did not win the enemy.
                  No, no! Otherwise
                  Even to the dead - how?
                  And the dead, mute,
                  There is only one joy:
                  We fell for our country,
                  But she is saved.
                  (...)
                  We have our own fighting
                  Do not wear the Order.
                  You all this, alive.
                  We are alone in joy
                  What was not in vain struggled
                  We are for motherland.
                  May our voice not be heard
                  You must know him.
                  (...)
                  You should have been, brothers,
                  Stand like a wall
                  For the dead curse -
                  This penalty is terrible.
                  (...)
                  And no one before us
                  Of the living not in debt,
                  Who is the hand of our banner
                  Picked up on the run,
                  To the sacred thing,
                  For the soviet power
                  Also, maybe, accurately
                  A step further to fall.
                  (...)
                  Bequeathed to that life
                  You are happy to be
                  And my homeland homeland
                  With honor to continue to serve.
                  Grieving is proud,
                  Without bowing your head.
                  To rejoice is not boastful
                  In the hour of victory itself.
                  And take care of her holy
                  Brothers, - their happiness, -
                  In memory of a warrior-brother,
                  What died for her.
                  1945
                  http://trvardovsky.ouc.ru/ya-ybit-podo-rzhevom.html
              2. Dryuya2
                Dryuya2 5 January 2016 19: 08
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015.

                there is audio from - 20 feb. 2012
                Starikov - Who made Hitler attack Stalin
                is it not ???
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue591AIZWDI
              3. In search
                In search 5 January 2016 19: 31
                +1
                This book is 2008 of release.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 5 January 2016 20: 48
                  +2
                  Dryuya2
                  there is audio from - 20 feb. 2012
                  Starikov - Who made Hitler attack Stalin
                  is it not ???
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue591AIZWDI

                  In search
                  This book is 2008 of release.

                  It seems that indeed it has already been previously published, and it seems that I bought its supplemented version — the 2015 of the year of publication — since nothing was said about its re-release from the 2008 of the year.
                  The book itself is visited by "To All Fallen for Russia". I read it avidly - with notes for memory on the sheets. It is very topical from the point of view of the current situation in the world and Europe. There is also about "Mein Kampf" - for whom and for what Hitler wrote it.
                  I read other books by Strikov, but this is the most concentrated information, in my opinion.
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          3. Eragon
            Eragon 5 January 2016 18: 04
            26
            Quote: Petrof
            the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

            great warlords commanded yes

            Yes, great:
            The human losses of the USSR - 6,3 million soldiers killed and died from wounds, 4,5 million captured and missing.
            The casualties of Nazi Germany - 6,5 million soldiers killed, wounded, missing.
            The human casualties of Nazi Germany's allies are 945 thousand troops killed.
            The irretrievable losses of the armies of the USSR and Nazi Germany (including prisoners of war) - 11,5 million and 11,6 million people (not counting 1,6 million prisoners of war after 9 on May 1945, unknown losses of the Volkssturm, Hitler Youth, Todt organization, the Labor Service, the Imperial Railways Service , police), respectively.
            1. Petrof
              Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 13
              -58 qualifying.
              how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
              this was not even with the king
              1. Alf
                Alf 5 January 2016 18: 17
                37
                Quote: Petrof
                how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
                this was not even with the king

                1812 year.
                1. Petrof
                  Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 22
                  -29 qualifying.
                  I'm actually talking about the First World War, as it was called then - the Great War
                  I was with the Germans too, and Hitler was noted there - so I compare
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                  2. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 5 January 2016 18: 45
                    +3
                    Petrof
                    ......
                    For an unbiased and scientifically sound understanding of the essence of this problem of both world wars in terms of answers to your questions, I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov, “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 c .: ill. Everything is explained in great detail there.
                    I would give the State Prize to N. Starikov for this book. A worthy thing for understanding the national security of Russia.
                    1. Petrof
                      Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 54
                      -17 qualifying.
                      not reading books yet - I think the British and French
                      guessed right?
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 5 January 2016 19: 57
                      +7
                      Petrof
                      without reading the book yet - I think the British and French - guessed?

                      And the United States as well. But it’s better not to guess, but to know exactly and understand how all this was done and why. You will no longer have many questions. And this is very important for understanding the current situation in the world.
                    3. asiat_61
                      asiat_61 6 January 2016 07: 11
                      -2
                      Just do not forget about Tukhachevsky and company.
                  3. Onotollah
                    Onotollah 5 January 2016 20: 04
                    +9
                    Quote: Petrof
                    not reading books yet - I think the British and French
                    guessed right?

                    I guessed.
                    No need to read.
                    No need to think.
                    "I have not read, but I condemn" (c)
                    In general, there is an opinion that you need to go a little and learn lessons.
                  4. Petrof
                    Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 12
                    -5
                    Onotole Wasserman are you native? not recognized in makeup
                    and where did you get my dear that I didn’t read anything about it?
                    think intuition of your mighty guessed?
            2. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 19: 52
              11
              For comparison and understanding, it is necessary to keep in mind precisely three Drag nah Austin.
              1812 - The European Union in its entirety, including Poles and, with the exception of England, Spain and the little things, mobilized, came, came to Moscow and ... did not leave. Everyone died.
              1914 - Germany and Austria, and the little things, what will become Hungary, the Czech Republic and so on. Piled up, but we resisted.
              1941 - The European Union in its entirety, with the exception of England, again reached Moscow.
              So the trend however. Hence the desire to help Geyropa fall apart into bolts. Because again through Moscow for a long time.
              1. Petrof
                Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 07
                -12 qualifying.
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Piled up


                Well, if it weren’t for nicholas, then there wouldn’t have been a war
                We needed to enter into an alliance with France, did we need the Bosporus and the Dardanelles? no, of course it’s kind of with them and it would be nice
                but to fight for them in world war?

                We will conquer Constantinople. Well, just like before the cut, we need this Constantinople! And then we’ll also conquer Berlin. I ask you, - then Baskakov pointed a finger at the pockmarked peasant with a bridle, who made his way to the podium, - I ask: do you have a German or a Turkish borrowed, have you taken and not given back? Well, tell me at mercy, dear man, what can you do in Constantinople? What are you going to sell potatoes to the bazaar? Why are you silent? (with)
              2. Petrof
                Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 15
                -2
                and minusers know that I am repeating communist propaganda now?
                or it’s not familiar to them that I quote their idols laughing
              3. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: Petrof
                and minusers know that I am repeating communist propaganda now?
                or it’s not familiar to them that I quote their idols

                Well you did it, but I'm afraid not everyone will understand what this is all about.
            3. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 22: 32
              +5
              Yes, I’ll be quiet, I’ll think about it.
              Petrof, how can you reason? Emperor Nicholas II not Munchausen "From 10 to 12 War with England". And every person is obliged, if not to know, then to love the history of his country. And then you have "a gang of losers wielded in history", who does not understand elementary things.
            4. Petrof
              Petrof 5 January 2016 22: 38
              0
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              how can one reason like that?


              so how is it? (did not understand the thought)
            5. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 11: 21
              +2
              Yes so. He took loans, entered into unions, and who would let them sit out in the corner.
              I wouldn’t enter the war and there wouldn’t be Citizens and we would eat ragweed. Now. We’ll master the moon, maybe nobody will get there. And being in the world-system nobody asks anyone who wants what. Everyone wants to not be touched, and they developed and grow rich. But imperialist sharks have their own interests. So study not the seventh hair in the left nostril, but the whole bear.
            6. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 14: 32
              +1
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I wouldn’t enter the war and there wouldn’t be a citizen

              If Nikolay -2 of all the Bolsheviks, together with the Socialist-Revolutionaries in shackles and Magadan, there would be no Citizen and Stalin, too, but there was a liberal king, forgive his lord.
              Under Tsar Stalin, Lenin was the fifth column.
            7. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 19: 28
              +1
              saturn.mmm
              "If Nikolai -2 of all the Bolsheviks, together with the ESERs, were in shackles and on Magadan, then there would be no Citizen and Stalin, too, but there was a liberal king, God forgive him.
              Under Tsar Stalin, Lenin was the fifth column. "
              Perfectly. Let's take into account the bitter experience of the Motherland and densely and densely deal with our own fifth column.
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  • figwam
    figwam 5 January 2016 20: 30
    +8
    Quote: Petrof
    I'm actually talking about the First World War, as it was called then - the Great War
    I was with the Germans too, and Hitler was noted there - so I compare

    For your information, the loss of Russia in the First World War 2-2.3 million dies died and 3.6 million dives in captivity and this despite the fact that there were no German tank wedges, massive bombing of aircraft, and the main weapon was a rifle and artillery, while the Germans still fought with the British, French and there the losses went to millions.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 37
      -4
      the USSR did not have tanks and aircraft?
      and for your information, how did Stalin himself evaluate his actions and his military leaders in this period, you do not know?
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 5 January 2016 18: 58
    10
    Yes I did. But did not enter. Can you tell me in which city the war ended? hi
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 04
      -20 qualifying.
      better tell me why with such victims?
      or did we have less equipment? no no less
      fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough
      then why?
      1. Alf
        Alf 5 January 2016 19: 37
        +6
        Quote: Petrof
        better tell me why with such victims?

        With what victims, only without Solzhenitsyn's tales.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 40
          -5
          Quote: Alf
          What sacrifices


          You do not know how many died in the Second World War?
        2. Prophetic
          Prophetic 5 January 2016 21: 22
          14
          You do not know how many died in the Second World War?
          Do you know why of the 27 million killed there were 16 million civilians? Because Russians are not people, that's why. Why are there large losses among the military? Here's why. Irreplaceable losses are considered not only those killed, but also captured. The number of prisoners on both sides was approximately equal to 5.5 million. Of the 5.5 million "Russians" in the camps of the European "civilizers", 3,7 million people died, and the "Germans" in the "terrible" Stalinist camps - 0.65 million. Do you feel the difference? The pathological Russophobia of Europeans is the main reason for our victims.
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 11: 27
          +1
          Listen, prophetic.
          It's not fair. She asked you one question, and you told her ten. The transistors are already overheating there.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 5 January 2016 20: 55
    +9
    did we have less equipment? no, no less. fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough then why?
    The Czech army was stronger than the German one. Czech fortifications on the German border were considered not to be taken. The German generals themselves believed that they could not be defeated in the war with Czechoslovakia. And in the rear of Germany there were 100 French divisions against 10 German. Why did Czechoslovakia surrender without firing a shot? Why was the French army stronger than the German, especially together with the English divisions, but lost to the Germans in 44 days? Why did the Germans give the English to Dunker in 1940 so much that they fled to their ships, leaving everything behind?
  • brisk
    brisk 5 January 2016 21: 26
    -1
    Quote: Petrof
    better tell me why with such victims?
    or did we have less equipment? no no less
    fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough
    then why?


    Most likely because the leaders and leaders considered the Russians and other Slavs not their own, but strangers. Then the military leaders from the highest to the smallest were also imbued with the same beliefs. Dignity, helpfulness, zealous diligence - everything else is incomprehensible to them, and therefore - to the side. They, ordinary Russians, even at some distance were not considered by them as members of their family. Therefore, they were not spared. "Take for such and such a date, anniversary, present a gift ....". Hence the cruelty towards them, ordinary white Slavic citizens.
    1. Prophetic
      Prophetic 5 January 2016 23: 02
      +2
      Most likely because the leaders and leaders considered the Russians and other Slavs not their own, but strangers.
      Bullshit. And the leaders that all were not entirely Russian? And where does nationality in general? If you began to carry such nonsense during the time of Stalin, do you know where you would be sent? All were Soviet then, Soviet! Nationality no one asked! During the war, the calls to CARE PEOPLE constantly ran through all orders. So do not la la. Take to the anniversary, yes, it was. At the first stage of the war. But this has nothing to do with the national question.
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    3. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 23: 14
      +2
      Prophetic I apologize to you how old?

      Quote: Prophetic
      At the first stage of the war


      on the first, until what time and why did it stop?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 January 2016 11: 32
    +2
    brisk
    Listen, the leader of the pale-faced! would you go to a soviet school for a start to learn something. Well, until the seventh grade. Read shame.
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 45
    +1
    There was no strategic thinking. One thing was team-head games, the other was real leadership. The war with Finland is just a local war. Plus, at least our Russian gouging. Well, the belief that above is visible. Our eternal weaknesses.
    Unfortunately.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 January 2016 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      . The war with Finland is just a local war.

      Yes - "local turmoil"!
      Losses in the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940 based on the two-volume “History of Russia. XX century "

      USSR loss category
      1. Killed, died from wounds, about 150
      2. Missing 17
      3. Prisoners of war about 6000 (5465 returned)
      4. Wounded, shell-shocked, frostbite, burned 325
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 6 January 2016 09: 17
      0
      I agree with your clarification. Meant comparison with the Second World War. hi
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 5 January 2016 19: 04
    15
    For the same, according to which the Germans fought in World War I for four years, they lost more than 2-x million and lost. And in World War II they fought with France for only 44 days, lost 44 thousand and won. The truth is that at that moment they knew how to fight better than anyone. We studied during the war and paid for it with blood. But unlike Europe, we survived and won. And this is the main point.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 06
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: Prophetic
      We studied during the war


      that is, with great blood
      but the repressed didn’t affect this in any way?
      1. Alf
        Alf 5 January 2016 19: 36
        +6
        Quote: Petrof
        but the repressed didn’t affect this in any way?

        What repressed people? Can be more ? Only about the talented and untimely killed by the bloody gebenius of the carcasses is better not to stutter, here all the same people who are versed are.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 39
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Can be more ? T


          can
          Red Army and Red Navy magazines for 1937 (available on the Internet)
          look who the authors are there and who they wrote about
          look on the Internet their fate is a matter of minutes
          and calculate how many percent are repressed and how many of them are shot
          it's all commanders
        2. Alf
          Alf 5 January 2016 20: 09
          +3
          Quote: Petrof
          can
          Red Army and Red Navy magazines for 1937 (available on the Internet)
          look who the authors are there and who they wrote about
          look on the Internet their fate is a matter of minutes
          and calculate how many percent are repressed and how many of them are shot
          it's all commanders

          And you ask why they were leaning against the wall and who stood in their place.
          Now the figure of 40000 officers will come up again?
        3. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 30
          -3
          Quote: Alf
          Now the figure of 40000 officers will come up again?


          Have you already counted? something i doubt
          can you still try
          it’s not so difficult, at the same time you’ll smell the atmosphere
          here a brilliant red commander shows off today in a magazine, tells all kinds of stories, teaches military affairs in the present way, all his praises are sung and tomorrow they’ll grab him, and he’s being taken to the funnel already, he’s already under the white handles in the cell — why are you our Soviet system betrayed, the state of workers and peasants does not suit you ???, but are you not a spy, but are you a pest
          and as cut off - not a word more, other PR-up to a new funnel
          take an interest in general, very entertaining reading

          have you ever practiced sambo
          Do you know anything about its creator?
      2. VOLOD
        VOLOD 5 January 2016 23: 44
        0
        command staff. command staff of what. a red army on horseback and with a three ruler for an edge. even if they did not bother, there would be no sense in them at 41. exactly as much as he was from the command in the initial period of the war. and they would also have to learn a new modern war.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 5 January 2016 20: 40
    +4
    repressed did not affect it in any way?
    And what were the repressed in the French army? What prevented them?
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 48
      -3
      Do we live in France?
      their causes of defeat are unknown to me and they are completely indifferent to me
      let the French themselves understand them
      or are you french
    2. Prophetic
      Prophetic 5 January 2016 22: 01
      +6
      x the reasons for the defeat are unknown to me and they are completely not indifferent to me
      It is very bad that you are trying to talk about things about which you do not understand anything and do not want to know. The world war began with the Munich agreement of 29 on September 1938. And the Patriotic War is only part of the whole. It is impossible to understand the whole, demonstratively considering only a part.
      let the French themselves understand them or are you French?
      You are trying to promote illiterate nonsense here about the fact that Stalin is to blame for the fact that we have VICTORY with "big", in your not enlightened opinion, losses. And I poke your nose for the hundred and first time that THIS is NOT the point. France, England, and Czechoslovakia were stronger than Hitler, and there were NO repressions there, but they LOST. Why?
      We had - but we won. And they didn’t have - but they lost. So it’s not a matter of repression. We defeated the enemy, who at that time knew how to fight better than everyone in the world, who was stronger than us, more educated than us, who worked on the entire European economy.
    3. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 22: 36
      -1
      Quote: Prophetic
      We had - but we won. And they didn’t - but they lost. So repression is not the point.


      some kind of vicious logic
      and references to the fact that the Germans were at that moment the best were also vicious
      like best of all and be satisfied with it
      and the reason remains unknown

      our commanders were too young, without experience, but why was that? don't you guess?
      because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence

      as it was said - to beat the enemy on its territory, with a mighty blow, with little blood

      why didn’t it work?
      and the conversations - the Germans were just strong - about nothing
    4. Extraneous
      Extraneous 6 January 2016 00: 25
      +1
      Quote: Petrof
      because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence


      Far East - Zhukov.
      Spain is a defeat
      Finland is a practical defeat with enormous losses. The war was stopped by mutual agreement.

      Everything that was done at that time had reasons. The command of the Red Army from the junior command staff to the very top consisted mainly of those who participated in the civilian. Their knowledge and skills no longer corresponded to time. And besides, no one canceled their loyalty to their commanders, many of whom were not at all enthusiastic about Stalin.

      Gigantic losses at the beginning of the war are the result of a well-conducted attack. In the early hours of the war, almost all border airfields were disabled. A huge amount of armored vehicles and heavy weapons was captured, in which the USSR really surpassed Germany. The problem is that the main defensive lines of the USSR were built before 1939. The borders that appeared after that were almost bare. In the first weeks of the war, German forces suffered losses comparable to those of their entire European campaign. The tactics used by the Germans (invented, by the way, in Russia) led to the loss of communication between the units and formations of the Red Army. Cut off the headquarters. Yes, actually there is nothing to describe. You already know. Only the emphasis is on the left. It is understandable.
    5. Petrof
      Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 49
      +2
      Quote: Stranger
      Finland - practical defeat with huge losses


      all officially stated goals are met
      what a defeat
      and to failure - a negative result is also a result
      here in Spain for example - those aces who fought in Spain turned the tide of the air war on the Halkin goal in our favor

      Quote: Stranger
      almost all border airfields were disabled. Captured a huge amount of armored vehicles and heavy weapons,


      not just airfields, but with airplanes and a ton of other equipment (smashed or captured)
      and how after this we can say that we have wonderful commanders, how cool they started the war, the Germans suddenly turned out to be stronger, well, yes - for no reason

      Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-1942, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. (from)

      Yes, Stalin himself acknowledges this and says bluntly, but the local Stalinists do not believe this
    6. Prophetic
      Prophetic 7 January 2016 15: 33
      0
      Finland is a practical defeat with enormous losses. The war was stopped by mutual agreement.

      Nonsense! Finns in civilian captured our territory. The border lay at 30km from Leningrad, i.e. in the very first seconds of the war the city would be bombarded. Stalin offered the Finns to buy territory in order to push the border. They refused. He offered to exchange 3tys km for our 6 thousand. Refused. As a result of the war, we received 40 thousand and did not give anything in return. All the tasks of the war are completed and exceeded. 9 on March Mannerheim informed the government that the Finnish army was on the verge of total defeat. 12 March, despite the persuasion of England and France, the Finns in Moscow signed a peace treaty on SOVIET CONDITIONS. So here is TOTAL VICTORY!
      Dear price? Yes, 126 thousand people died. Not as fast as we would like? Yes. There was an underestimation of the strength of the enemy. Poor knowledge of the Mannerheim line. Unreadiness for the winter war and as a result of losses from frostbite exceeded combat losses. But we took the line that the Finns built for 20 years and which was considered impregnable by many in Europe. 3: 1 loss ratio is that classic minimum that we could count on. When the Japanese stormed Port Arthur, the ratio of their losses was 1: 4. We have in Finnish 5: 1. Not so good, but not fundamentally. In addition, it was thanks to the Finnish overcoat that they replaced it with quilted jackets, budennovki for earflaps, and teplushki appeared. So this is certainly a victory and the necessary instructive war.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 6 January 2016 01: 40
    +1
    Darling, vicious logic, this is yours. If you don’t know why the Germans won against ALL, whom you lost 20 years ago, then ask directly. And senior comrades will be happy to help and explain to you. But you are trying to draw conclusions. From nothing. Moreover, they themselves are not claiming anything specifically. So that you don’t stick your nose into your ignorance.
    our commanders were too young, without experience, but why was that? don't you guess? because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence
    This female logic makes me happy wink So "too young and no experience" or "had experience"? You really decide how something. And by the way, I never wrote that they were young, or they had no experience. You invented it.
    Stalin removed Trotsky's henchmen - commissars who had crept into the army management not due to military merit or combat experience, but through party merits: Gamarnik, Primakov, Uborevich, Yakir, Tukhochevsky and replaced them with Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Konev, Malinovsky, Tolbukhin, Rokosovsky. Unlike the first ones, they had a REAL combat experience since the First World War. The repressions did not leave a visible imprint on the educational level of the SA and could not, because of the INSIGNIFICANCE of the latter. So, if in 1936 the higher military academic education had 13 thousand commanders, then by 1941 - 28 thousand! Despite all the repression. The total number of command personnel by 1941 had 439 thousand people. And this is without the political staff, the Air Force, the Navy, and the NKVD. The total number of arrested officers from 1937 to 1939, 8122 and 9859, were dismissed from the army (including those reinstated and returned from places of imprisonment.) Thus, the total number of those arrested and dismissed amounted to 18 thousand, which is FOUR PERCENT of the total number of officers by 1941. So it did not play a significant role. And there is no need to imagine that all of those arrested were "victims of the regime." So, for example, for drunkenness, moral decay, embezzlement of national property, bullying of soldiers, 3380 people were fired. The Germans, Poles, Estonians and others were dismissed before the war. Natives abroad - 2219h. etc.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 10
    -2
    Quote: Prophetic
    This female logic makes me happy. So "too young and without experience" or "was there any experience"? You really decide how something. And by the way, I never wrote that they were young, or they had no experience. You invented it.

    Prophetic, do you even know how to read consciously? And then I have doubts, or you are deliberately turning everything upside down, reread carefully what "Petroff" wrote to you and don’t carry any garbage.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 7 January 2016 16: 28
    0
    Prophetic, do you even know how to read consciously? ... and do not carry any garbage.
    Mulia, you remind me of my students who are drunk trying to teach me physics. Say something SPECIFIC in the case is what? There is nothing? Take a walk ..
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 35
    +2
    For how long were Poland and France defeated? What about Dunkirk? In Europe, the Germans were the best. This is without a doubt.
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 6 January 2016 09: 32
    +1
    Precisely, talk about the strength of the German army, crushing almost all of enlightened Europe under it, is about nothing. In your reasoning, as well as in the opus of dissidents, the idea is traced that all those who were not shot are fools, but geniuses like Blucher and Tukhachevsky that are not understood by contemporaries. And what was heaped up with meat ... Then Rokossovsky with his elegant solutions is the same unlucky?
    And the German generals lost the war, because they were led by a corporal ... These are not your words but just an addition, I write so that there are no nit-picking words. laughing
  • combat66
    combat66 6 January 2016 01: 17
    +2
    Regarding the "illiterate delirium" ..... "We defeated the enemy who knew how to fight at that time better than anyone else in the world, which was stronger than us, more educated than us, on whom the entire European economy worked." - I confess, in the early 80s, in a history lesson, I was so excused from ignorance of the subject. laughing
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 19: 55
    +6
    Quote: Petrof
    how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
    this was not even with the king

    Where are you from? He did not reach Moscow. The foggy outskirts were examined with binoculars, but did not reach. What are you telling us a lie? You take us for the illiterate. The gentleman, an amateur of the fascists, will not work. Your lies will not pass!
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 43
      -6
      again you with your lies
      to look at Moscow with binoculars, doesn’t it reach Moscow ???
      and what does it mean, it's so easy to go out
      at least have a conscience do not lie
      or about the battle of Moscow not by rumor
      or not with Hitler fought there


      about a fascist lover - I don’t have to ascribe my secret fantasies
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 23: 09
        +1
        You yourself just wrote "near Moscow", not "battle in Moscow". Do not write that they reached Moscow. Didn't get it.
        My secret fantasies are no secret. All liberals, oligarchs and fascists - to the gallows.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 23: 37
          +3
          if you reach Moscow at a distance of looking with binoculars, you just don’t need to say that this is not Moscow
          they didn’t enter the city, but nevertheless reached the city itself
          because the battle was not in Moscow, but near Moscow
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          You yourself have just written "near Moscow", not "battle in Moscow".

          In order for the battle to take place in Moscow, one must enter Moscow, and Petroff did not write that Hitler entered Moscow.
          Or you are not Russian and do not understand phraseological turns.
  • Starik72
    Starik72 6 January 2016 00: 33
    0
    Well, YOU Petrov’s memory is selective, and who burned Moscow when the French attacked, it’s not Napoleon by chance.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 58
      +1
      in general, I compare the two world wars, and here the French
      and the question is - what was our capital in 1812?
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 6 January 2016 02: 37
        0
        Quote: Petrof
        in general, I compare the two world wars, and here the French
        and the question is - what was our capital in 1812?

        That is, the war of 1812 was a petty feud between two neighbors?
        The question is - which city on the Neva despite the blockade did the Germans never take?
        No need to juggle. If now Khimki is a district of Moscow, this does not mean that it was in 1941. And if you go further following your "logic" and examine the territory of new Moscow, the Germans did not really get there but entered and even stood in Moscow. But the facts are the unforgiving thing of the Second World War ended in Berlin.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 33
          -2
          Quote: pv1005
          That is, the war of 1812 was a petty feud between two neighbors?

          Petroff compares the war of 1914 and the war of 1941, and what does the war of 1812 have to do with it.
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 29
      -1
      Nothing new. by a well-known training manual juggling.
  • Eragon
    Eragon 6 January 2016 09: 28
    +1
    Quote: Petrof
    how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?

    And you read the story. Look who commanded and what at the beginning of the war, and who and what, for example, since 1943. Much will become clear.
    A few more numbers:
    the approximate ratio of losses of the USSR to Germany, respectively: in the 41 year, 10: 1; on 42 xNUMX: 6; in 1 m 44: 1 (some operations 5: 1); on 25 45: 1
  • Eragon
    Eragon 6 January 2016 09: 28
    0
    Quote: Petrof
    how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?

    And you read the story. Look who commanded and what at the beginning of the war, and who and what, for example, since 1943. Much will become clear.
    A few more numbers:
    the approximate ratio of losses of the USSR to Germany, respectively: in the 41 year, 10: 1; on 42 xNUMX: 6; in 1 m 44: 1 (some operations 5: 1); on 25 45: 1
  • pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 5 January 2016 18: 05
    -38 qualifying.
    Am I killed under Rzhev? The road is there for you!
    1. alone
      alone 5 January 2016 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: pofigisst74
      Am I killed under Rzhev? The road is there for you!

      We all die))) someday.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 January 2016 18: 08
    22
    Quote: Petrof
    great warlords commanded yes

    Yes, Petroff, it’s a pity that you weren’t the military commander at that time. Probably there would be no loss. They just surrendered and everyone is alive. You do not have a hero Vlasov, by chance?
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 15
      -16 qualifying.
      Quote: EvgNik
      You do not have a hero Vlasov, by chance?


      but for you, those who do not like Stalin must necessarily love Vlasov?
      Vlasov, by the way, was the Communists, like Lenin, like Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, like Khrushchev
      how do you feel about them?
      Do you like these leaders of the Soviet state?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 19: 35
        +2
        Dear Petrof!
        The leaders of the Soviet state are not red girls to like or dislike. By the way, Yeltsin was not. Why drag in the Communists? And among them in normal numbers were traitors and careerists, as among ordinary people. Find N. Starikov, A. Fursov, Kasatonov on the sites. Yes, it can be tiring to listen, but it can also be exciting. Yes, and more useful than sitting on Wikipedia.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          By the way, Yeltsin was not.


          June 12, 1991 elected President of the RSFSR (s) Wikipedia

          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Why drag in the Communists?


          and who do you think they were?


          Quote: Mavrikiy
          The leaders of the Soviet state are not red girls to like or dislike.


          well. Do you support their activities?
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 6 January 2016 06: 31
        +1
        Quote: Petrof
        Vlasov, by the way, was the Communists, like Lenin, like Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, like Khrushchev
        how do you feel about them?

        I do not belong to them. For me they are traitors.
    2. Sharapov
      Sharapov 5 January 2016 20: 43
      -1
      Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 23: 14
        +2
        Quote: Sharapov
        Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.

        And it is not necessary to mow under the peasant, her nickname is "Petrof" with the German spelling of the Russian ending "s". And as everyone who studied German knows, there is no surname "Petrofa" in German.
        That's why the attitude towards her as an enemy grabbed the minuses.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 23: 23
          -1
          my gender in this case does not play any role
          and minuses, you are unpleasant to hear the truth, here are the cons, which are absolutely indifferent to me
      2. Goga101
        Goga101 6 January 2016 00: 07
        +1
        Sharapov - "Under the nickname" Petroff "- the girl Julia ..." - this young lady is able to perceive only information at the level of the Echo of Moscow, or Solzhenitsyn's mantras, and you gentlemen and comrades are trying to talk to her like a reasonable person, this is a thankless task , take your time and energy No.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 11
          0
          Yeah
          that is, you want to think so
          think who can forbid you
        2. combat66
          combat66 6 January 2016 01: 30
          0
          I do not know what she reads, this young lady, but she intellectually made you! And for endurance to her, abruptly than for rude men-RESPECT! hi
          1. Russian jacket
            Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 27
            +2
            To argue with a comrade who is more pressing on losses and other sore spots that were, it is according to Solzhenitsinsky and Bukovsky. Unproven emotions are always better than the opposite point of view. You do not know why Shalamov forbade Solzhenitsyn to approach his archives?
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 55
            -1
            Quote: combat66
            I do not know what she reads, this young lady, but she intellectually made you! And for endurance to her, abruptly than for rude men-RESPECT!

            I support you 100%, it looks great.
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 54
          -1
          Quote: Goga101
          girl Julia ... "- this young lady is able to perceive only information at the level of the Echo of Moscow, or Solzhenitsyn's mantras, and you gentlemen and comrades are trying to talk to her as with a reasonable person, this is a thankless occupation, take your time and energy

          Everything is normal with her logic, otherwise many confuse the war of 1812 with the war of 1914 and accuse her of poor perception of information
          1. combat66
            combat66 7 January 2016 12: 56
            +2
            The levels of perception do not correspond, not all the disputants were even able to realize that they were correctly "protrolled". smile
            In such cases, the "weak" opponent simply "nails the label", the most abusive thing is "liberal", or even worse.
            I draw conclusions, trying to just have a conversation, or discussing the topic of your favorite idol is a futile matter, they will come and shoot them ... laughing
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 6 January 2016 06: 41
        +1
        Quote: Sharapov
        Under the nickname "Petroff" - the girl Julia

        Sorry, I just paid attention to it today. Actually, it doesn’t change anything. Maybe a comment does not reach you, I will send it in private. I read all the comments, I’m already reading it in the morning. I put only one minus, to you Sharapov, not for the content, but for the rudeness to the Girl Julia - Petrof - not a single one.
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 15: 45
        -2
        Quote: Sharapov
        Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.

        Girl Julia writes more literally and convincingly than most men on this thread.
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 6 January 2016 17: 45
          +4
          The girl Petrof competently angered everyone. So that he (a) writes me no matter how much, I read other books. About Tukhachevsky it’s been said so much that everyone is clear who he was. And you don’t have to make a sufferer out of him. , no one argues, just not everyone was planted.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 11 January 2016 19: 54
            0
            Quote: asiat_61
            .Bardak was at the beginning of the war, no one argues, just not everyone was planted.

            Who would have fought if everyone had been imprisoned?
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 5 January 2016 18: 39
    +2
    Quote: Petrof
    great warlords commanded yes

    Name a SINCLE leader, at least one, at least from the office of Zagotsyryo LLC, not to mention the head of state.
    That's when you can, when YOURSELF will be "crystal clear", then please come to the judge ...
    " Do not judge, but you will not be judged, for by what court you judge, you will be judged thus; and
    by what measure you measure, by such measure they will also measure you.
    ". This is how it happens ...

    Z.Y. Nothing personal at all, besides being an atheist repeat
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 5 January 2016 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: Serg Koma
      "Do not judge, lest you be judged, for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and
      With what measure you mete, it will be measured to you also. "

      Wise words. I would give you 1000 pluses because everything in the world is relative and the measure of things should always be the same, and not as in times of double standards when democracy is an ideal and not condemned, and any other system is the axis of evil and therefore must be destroyed.
      Whoever does not know this single measure (or does not want to know for money) is from the evil one, from the dark, from the destructive and degrading one - and the one who understands the measure of things, on his shoulders pulls the burden of life for the whole world into the future, but it’s difficult and dishonorable nowadays, it is reckless and humiliated.
      Turn on the brains of those guys whose eyes and mind swam from the fat of consumerism, pleasure, love of power, buzz words: coolness, fashion, success and solidity.
      The world unwritten law "Conscience" has not been canceled and I want to note: - "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from punishment" as well as its non-application in life. One must live not only with the body, but also with the soul, and therefore observe both laws, both Earthly (written by people) and Heavenly (the law of the soul).
      Everything. Point.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 20: 09
      +1
      In general, that is the story that a good doctor should have a personal cemetery and the larger it is, the better the doctor.
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 23: 27
      +1
      Quote: Serg Koma
      "Do not judge, lest you be judged, for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and
      With what measure you mete, it will be measured to you also. "

      The Bible was written by Jews. The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility. A very good way to conquer peoples. And the Old Testament is generally a shortened version of the Jewish Torah.
      Yes, WE would not exist now if we submitted to the Tatar-Mongol invasion, we would not have won on the Kulikovo field, on the Neva and Lake Peipsi, but in 1812, and in 1941. And if the noble scum would have won the civil war, then in 1941 The Nazis would definitely have defeated us. This noble trash even managed to "lose" the 1st World War.
      No - it is necessary to judge, and for a blow, it is necessary to answer with a blow. Otherwise, they’ll simply beat you on the street and, if you have a wife or girlfriend, they will leave you, but you don’t want to protect them, because of false Jewish sermons.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 6 January 2016 01: 00
        +3
        Quote: Алексей_К
        And if the noble scum would have won the civil war, then in 1941 we would definitely have been defeated by the Nazis. This noble trash even managed to "lose" the 1st World War.

        You, as always, are wrong, my dear.
        If Russian capitalism, which was under the tsar, would remain, then the economy of our country would be more powerful and the population would be more powerful, and the territories would be vast.
        It was not the nobles who lost the 1st World War, but the revolutionaries who signed the humiliating defeat, but on the 1st, oddly enough troops were selected to capture the Bosphorus and thereby put an end to the 1st World War in our favor, but then the unexpected: the Tsar is arrested, Kerensky the reformer and further mow down bite the revolution. Everything is according to the plan of the democrats. And so you look and the Turks would not have lifted their heads like right now, but probably no one would have heard about the 2nd World War.
        And you are the cutest only to the liberals and Russophobia’s hands
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 6 January 2016 06: 48
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The Bible was written by Jews.

        But Jews are hiding here. Ish how they react to everything that hurts them. You can follow by voting for posts that hurt this nation. Learned to be encrypted and crap stealthily.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 6 January 2016 23: 01
          -1
          .
          Quote: EvgNik
          But after all Jews are hiding here. Ish how they react to everything that hurts them.Can be traced by voting for posts hurting this nation. Learned to be encrypted and crap stealthily.
          Something that your mockery begins to border on sexism. Maybe - "Announce the entire list please ..." ?????
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 6 January 2016 22: 45
        -1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The Bible was written by Jews. The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility. A very good way to conquer peoples. And the Old Testament is generally a shortened version of the Jewish Torah.

        Below I wrote that I am an ATHEIST, so it makes no sense to convert me to any religion! But the wisdom of the people (and at least some) set forth in these lines should probably be respected. You just did not understand what it was about. I advise you to re-read the post
        Quote: Irokez
        everything in the world is relative and the measure of things should always be the same, and not as in times of double standards when democracy is an ideal and is not condemned, and any other system is the axis of evil and therefore must be destroyed.

        Quote: Irokez
        The world unwritten law "Conscience" has not been canceled and I want to note: - "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from punishment" as well as its non-application in life. It is necessary to live not only by the body, but also by the soul, and therefore observe both laws of the Earth (written by people) and Heavenly (the law of the soul).

        If you have a different interpretation based only on "WHOM the statement belongs to", hence the bias of your opinion, how did the JEWS WRITE - well, YOUR RIGHT ...
        Reminding me once again - I AM an ATHEIST, I do not believe in devil or in God, I treat people according to the principle - "Yes, even if you are a negro of advanced years, if only you were a good person!" good
      4. Prophetic
        Prophetic 7 January 2016 16: 40
        -1
        The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility.
        This can only be written by a person who has never read the Bible. The Bible is one of the most bloodthirsty books on the planet.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 5 January 2016 18: 51
    +6
    Quote: Petrof
    the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

    I wish you were commanders! Right with the sofa! You would have shown how to fight without losses! And what about 42-43? Let’s count the whole war, and in losses to the Germans we’ll write Romanians and other European integrators, from the Baltic states, to the forest brothers. Maybe you have less reason to dance on the bones.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 18: 56
      -9
      would you even read that your idol Stalin talked about this period
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 16: 04
      -1
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      Maybe you have less reason to dance on the bones.

      It so happens that the general’s stars on shoulder straps are still a corporal at heart, and sometimes these generals become commanders of entire districts, but when they are unable to cope with the difficult tasks, they are transferred to share trophies.
  • Havoc
    Havoc 5 January 2016 19: 30
    +8
    Do not forget that the best army in the world fought against the USSR, moreover, it had good combat experience, and most importantly, very good generals. All Europe fought against the USSR and all the economic power of Europe worked for Germany.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 48
      -5
      Quote: Havoc
      besides having a good combat experience,


      and our army did not have experience?

      Quote: Havoc
      and most importantly, very good generals.


      so what am I talking about ???
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 5 January 2016 20: 10
        0
        Quote: Petrof
        Quote: Havoc
        and most importantly, very good generals.


        so what am I talking about ???

        Go here: http://www.odinblago.ru/logika
        Bad generals defeated good ones belay As always contrary!
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 5 January 2016 20: 54
          -6
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          so always contrary!


          find out the death toll from our side
          if you don’t know it
          1. nic086
            nic086 5 January 2016 22: 58
            +3
            Quote: Petrof
            find out the death toll from our side
            if you don’t know it

            They fought as best they could! We constantly studied this occupation, but at the cost of many lives! But, if not for the self-sacrifice of our great people, you women would still be kept as meat for pleasure! Children would have heated the stoves and tested medicines, and those few remaining men would have been figuring in uranium mines and in other mines! I am sure, if there was an opportunity to ask those people "in vain" or not, they died for the country, for the people, for the Motherland, I think they would have answered that they would sacrifice themselves 100 more times in order for their families to be alive and free! Or are you madam claiming that it was a useless sacrifice ????
            1. Petrof
              Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 20
              0
              Quote: nic086
              to ask those people "in vain" or not, they died for the country, for the people, for the Motherland-


              Do you have Russian as your native language?
              where do you come up with what nonsense that I never wrote ???
              can you quote me exactly where it is written?

              aaa I understand it is better to invent nonsense of course, ascribe it to the interlocutor and refute it with brilliance
              method too of course
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 6 January 2016 17: 42
              0
              Quote: Petrof
              where do you come up with what nonsense that I never wrote ???

              As for the Russian language, you also do not shine. Your phrase in literary Russian is written like this: "Where do you come up with some nonsense that I have never written?" You have 5 mistakes in this phrase. Compare your text and mine and you will understand everything about the fact that your Russian language is your native language.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 23: 35
          +3
          Quote: Petrof
          find out the death toll from our side
          if you don’t know it

          So you give yourself the numbers of those killed in the battles, only on both sides. Add to the opponents not only Germans. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and the Croats, and Western Ukrainians, and the Finns also fought against us, well, do not forget to mention Japan.
        3. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 21
          +4
          IN THIS QUANTITY AND BURNED IN KHATIN burned at Auschwitz and others, children who took blood for German soldiers. Driven to Germany for forced labor and not returning. Yeah...
  • Platonich
    Platonich 5 January 2016 19: 31
    +3
    You’d better command a lot, that's for sure.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 6 January 2016 16: 10
      -1
      Quote: Platonitch
      You’d better command a lot, that's for sure.

      Maybe it’s better, it’s not to know.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 19: 50
    +1
    Quote: Petrof
    the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

    great warlords commanded yes

    I am killed under Rzhev,
    In a nameless swamp ....

    Somehow look one-sidedly. And the Nazis killed 450000 people. And these nazi nits did not reach Moscow. But how the bastards were eager to enslave us. Do you dream about it?
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 19: 59
      -2
      Quote: Алексей_К
      A fascists killed 450000 people


      According to an employee of the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves, the 9th Army in the battle for Rzhev bridgehead - the Bely - Olenino - Rzhev - Zubtsov - Sychevka area, that is, without taking into account other sectors of the front, the losses in the Zhirkov Hill and in battles against the 33rd army, lost 120 thousand people killed. Similar data on losses directly at the Rzhevsky bridgehead provide other sources. (from)

      Quote: Алексей_К
      Do you dream about it?


      or maybe you will not be idiotic?
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 5 January 2016 23: 41
        +1
        Quote: Petrof
        or maybe you will not be idiotic?

        I'm not being stupid. I answer you as a person who has a nickname with a German ending "of" in the Russian surname "Petrov". And the conclusion from this is that you don't like Russians, so you are hiding behind the German pronunciation and spelling of the Russian surname.
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 01
          -2
          Quote: Алексей_К
          NIK with the German ending "of



          aah, that is, you draw a nickname about my addictions, so what?
          doesn't it seem to you somewhat absurd? and if I had been called some sort of sojikhe - would you think that?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 20: 07
    +9
    You see, citizen Petrof, in a war they can kill not only in a swamp or in a river. Likely to bleed in the snow will be worse. But a wonderful poem is not about that. Reread. Yes, such great warlords commanded. There were no others, and never will be. A military duty must be performed for any.
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 5 January 2016 21: 02
      -1
      that is, you did not understand him
      Do you know something about Twardowski?
      as he, for example, related to Stalin, no, not during his lifetime

      Quote: Mavrikiy
      A military duty must be performed for any.


      and where does it say that it does not need to be performed? can you show or do I have something else written there that has escaped your attention ???
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 22: 44
        +1
        "At Tvardovsky's dacha and in the most anti-Stalin years there was a portrait of the leader lighting his pipe. Nekrasov was under him. Bunin was on the other wall."
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 6 January 2016 00: 03
          0
          and at the same time he was the editor of the New World laughing
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 5 January 2016 17: 45
    +3
    Quote: EvgNik
    Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles

    Sharapov has all the troubles of crystal clearness. Or did he personally ghoul-Stalin bathed in blood?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 January 2016 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Or did he personally ghoul-Stalin bathed in blood?

      the ghoul who kept the USSR? I hope you made a reservation, and change the epithet.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 5 January 2016 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the ghoul who kept the USSR? I hope you made a reservation, and change the epithet.

        But haven't you, dear Andrei Yurievich, just recently, I laid out the definition of sarcasm from Wikipedia? So, this is it, darling. Or should I use emoticons to complete the perception of the comment?
  • shooter18
    shooter18 5 January 2016 17: 46
    -16 qualifying.
    I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the trouble.

    Interesting .. and our Soviet historians are allowed to read ?? so the numbers don’t lie! in the first months of the war hundreds of thousands of Slavs went to the Nazis in a cauldron! even tanks were forbidden to refuel before the war ... for it was considered alarmism on the part of the General Staff that this was not a betrayal of the Slavic population and people !!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 January 2016 18: 17
      0
      Quote: shooter18
      and you allow our Soviet historians to read?

      For God's sake, read what you think is necessary. And draw your own conclusions (preferably). And what did I write about the commanders of the beginning of the war? It’s not news to me that many fled from the front. Which naturally increased our losses. And about the orders issued by Stalin before the war, I advise you to inquire in more detail. Learn interesting things, not speculation.
      1. Sharapov
        Sharapov 5 January 2016 19: 12
        -9
        Quote: EvgNik
        For God's sake, read what you think is necessary. And draw your own conclusions (preferably).

        Many thanks for the permission to read (although this permission is not in the spirit of the Stalinist).
    2. Prophetic
      Prophetic 5 January 2016 18: 47
      10
      This is where you read such nonsense, my friend? In the magazine Spark of Jew Korotich? wassat The team of secretly pushing to the border to repel a possible enemy attack was held on 20 of June. And who told you that the army was Slavic? She was Soviet, Soviet! All nations fought as one. The real friendship of the peoples was! Therefore, they won.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 5 January 2016 20: 23
      +2
      If true, then this is an ordinary betrayal, or again excesses in the field, and why exclamation points? I myself read with Pleasure V. Suvorov, well, fun writing, but the truth in it is penniless. The point is not what to read, but what to look for. And our Soviet historians carried out directions, modern ones also work out many grants. I read and ran, I found the truth. There is no tonne of ore dear from the beginning, then there may be gold. You don’t tear your main heart, but calmly analyze it.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 5 January 2016 17: 51
    20
    I specifically read it. (not all, of course, excerpts). To make sure what Solzheitsyn was a LIAR. Even the last name is speaking.
    1. Havoc
      Havoc 5 January 2016 19: 43
      +9
      I also did not read all Solzhenitsyn a long time ago, there was simply time and there was no other reading matter. Indeed, there is so much lies, the feeling is such that it is smeared in the mud. All the dirt supposedly from the words of some prisoners, someone who said something, describes his imprisonment in a completely different way, especially in a sharashka.
      1. Havoc
        Havoc 5 January 2016 20: 13
        +1
        Comrade, the one who put the minus, it would be interesting for me to discuss with you, and it would be interesting for you to screw on the docks that I translated in the work of this writer.
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 6 January 2016 18: 07
        0
        Maybe V. Shalamov lied?
    2. asiat_61
      asiat_61 6 January 2016 18: 06
      -2
      The opinion of such readers is interesting. Where did Solzhenitsin lie? “One day in Ivan Denisovich?” “How can we arrange Russia?” You have never heard such names, writers.
      1. Havoc
        Havoc 6 January 2016 19: 58
        +1
        If you list everything, it will be a very long time. One example, when this writer described the transportation of prisoners, again from words not indicated by a comrade, as a person who received a mathematical education, he could have calculated that 30 people could not just physically shove a prisoner’s compartment into the prison. wagon, the first wagons were then much shorter, the second volume of bodies is much larger than the volume of the room. And lastly, how long did the riot last days, in which Solzhenitsyn allegedly took part, until he escaped to the hospital. Nowadays, the riot in the colony is suppressed for two days, this is a maximum of days. So much for the bloody regime that has been negotiating with prisoners for so many days.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 5 January 2016 18: 29
    -17 qualifying.
    Quote: EvgNik
    Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.

    In November, the Germans came to Moscow with the help of a teleport?

    Well, straight myths of ancient Stalinism.
    In Kollontai's notes, a set of generalized phrases, somehow not serious, looks like "people hawala".
    Stalin is already an ancient history, he will not come and put things in order, it’s better to go to church and practice the traditional religion and not create a sect of the leader of the peoples.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 January 2016 18: 50
      +6
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      In November, the Germans came to Moscow with the help of a teleport?

      who the hell turned out to be, and ...? the result is one ... or are we in Berlin, Paris, Vienna, Prague .... are you not happy?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 January 2016 20: 02
        -1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the result is one ... or are we in Berlin, Paris, Vienna, Prague .... are you not happy?

        I didn’t understand something, it’s you who went to the Great Patriotic War everywhere and we’re not at work? What does my grandfather do in a mass grave before reaching 60 km to Berlin?
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        who the hell turned out to be, and ...?

        Wood chips are flying, the result of the Nazi policy of genocide and “scorched earth” in Belarus was 2 people who were destroyed in three years of occupation.
        But if Stalin had declared enhanced alertness, and 22 and combat alert could most of them survived? But the prophet-genius didn’t work at the crucial moment.
        1. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket 6 January 2016 04: 11
          0
          Everybody thinks of himself as a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. "The Knight in the Skin of a Leopard"
        2. Scraptor
          Scraptor 6 January 2016 07: 23
          0
          And why did they get that she was not advertised? Nobody slept in the Kremlin that night, and they were waiting for the German ambassador ...
        3. Prophetic
          Prophetic 7 January 2016 17: 37
          0
          But if Stalin had declared enhanced alertness, and 22 and combat alert could most of them survived? But the prophet-genius didn’t work at the crucial moment.

          Complete illiterate nonsense!
          1. Stalin is not a mythical telepath, but a man who made conclusions based on operational information. From the information that he possessed, it was impossible to understand that the offensive would be exactly 22. But the most important thing is NOT TIME, BUT THE DIRECTION OF THE MAIN IMPACT. But this was generally a disaster.
          2: The order to secretly put on full alert passed 20. Just in case.
          3. The advance to the border of Our troops began at least a week before the war. 17-th(!) Goebels writes in his diary that "there has been an active advance of the Russians towards the borders. But LATE! Nothing can save them!"
          Conclusion: Belarus would be captured ANYWAY.
          Forget this nonsense about the crucial importance of surprise. If you really want to understand why we lost at the first stage of the war, read Isaev.
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 5 January 2016 19: 19
    -3
    Quote: EvgNik
    , I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA

    But what, the results of the war will change from this, or will my grandfather who died in Poland get up from the grave?
  • Igor39
    Igor39 5 January 2016 19: 55
    0
    Pray, there’s a little picture. smile
  • FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 5 January 2016 17: 45
    11
    Clicked? Drowned? Facts in the studio. There are many who repeat the liberal heresy. But not many are able to appreciate the "stubborn soothsayer"!
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 January 2016 18: 33
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: FiremamRescueS
      But not many are able to appreciate the "stubborn soothsayer"!

      He would have predicted the beginning of the war, that would be great.
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      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 5 January 2016 19: 03
        -18 qualifying.
        Well, for one huge political mistake in estimating the start date of the war, for directly ignoring the intelligence received, including indicating the exact time of the German invasion, Comrade Stalin should have been shot according to the laws that he wrote as a German spy and enemy of the people. This mistake of the great soothsayer cost our people millions of human lives, and the Nazis allowed us to seize the territory where a third of the population lived and come close to the walls of Leningrad and Moscow.
        I admit that Stalin in the first days after the start of the war really expected that they would come for him, being in a terribly depressed state, and spoke to the people only 11 days after the start of the war. Let him say thanks to our people, who, in the face of a formidable enemy, did not begin to find out who was right, who was to blame, but picked up a rifle and stood up for our Motherland.
        1. Alf
          Alf 5 January 2016 19: 42
          +4
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Well, for one huge political mistake in assessing the start date of the war, for directly ignoring the intelligence received, including indicating the exact time of the German invasion, Comrade Stalin should have been shot according to the written laws as a German spy and enemy of the people.

          And what dates should you believe? Let me remind you that back then intelligence dates were completely different and constant. The Germans, too, were masters of disguise.
          What information did he ignore? That Hitler will start a war with the USSR only after the end of the war in the West?
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 5 January 2016 21: 05
            -7
            It is not even a matter of the specific date and time of the attack, although the day before the war several sources told Stalin the exact time of its beginning. I am talking about a STRATEGIC mistake when Stalin assumed that Hitler would attack the USSR not earlier than 1942, and until then he would deal with Great Britain. And he was so sure of this axiom. that he missed the ears of numerous reports of the transfer of German troops to the east. A hundred divisions are difficult to discreetly transfer across the floor of Europe, do not you? On the contrary, the troops received a well-known order to prevent provocations.
            1. family tree
              family tree 5 January 2016 22: 30
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai K
              I am talking about a STRATEGIC mistake when Stalin assumed that Hitler would attack the USSR no earlier than 1942

              There are three options with this date:
              1. Hitler will attack the USSR in the 42nd
              2. Stalin will attack Germany in the 42nd
              3. (correct) In the 42nd, it was planned to complete the rearmament of the Red Army, but request it's not meant to be
              On the contrary, the troops received a well-known order to prevent provocations.

              yes Well, here are directives like
              TsAMO, f.344, op. 5564, d.1, pp. 34-35. Script.
              DIRECTIVE OF THE STAFF OF THE BALTIC SPECIAL MILITARY DISTRICT

              18th of June 1941

              In order to quickly bring the theater of military operations of the district to combat readiness, I ORDER:

              4. The commander of the 8 and 11 armies:

              a) determine the points of organization of field depots, anti-personnel mines, explosives and anti-personnel barriers on the site of each army for the purpose of establishing certain barriers specified in the plan. The indicated property shall be concentrated in organized warehouses by 21.6.41;

              b) to set up minefields, determine the composition of the teams, where to allocate them from, and their work plan. All this through the beginning of the border divisions;

              c) proceed to the procurement of scrap materials (rafts, barges, etc.) for arranging crossings across the Viliya, Nevyazha and Dubiss rivers. Crossing points set in conjunction with the operational department of the district headquarters.

              The 30th and 4th pontoon regiments subordinate to the military council of the 11th Army. Shelves have in full readiness for building bridges across the river. Neman. Next to the exercises, check the condition of building bridges with these regiments, having achieved the minimum execution time;

              f) the commander of the forces of the 8th and 11th armies - with the goal of destroying the most important bridges in the lane: the state border and the rear line of Šiauliai, Kaunas, p. The Neman will reconcile these bridges, determine for each of them the number of explosives, the demolition teams and concentrate all means for demolition at the nearest points from them. The plan for the destruction of bridges to approve the military council of the army.

              Deadline 21.6.41.

              7. The commander of the army and the head of the ABTV district.

              To create separate tank platoons at the expense of each vehicle, using for this purpose the installation of containers on trucks, the number of individual platoons to be created is 4. Completion date is 23.6.41 g. These separate platoons in the amount of mobile reserve should be kept: Telshay, Siauliai, Keidany, Ionova at the disposal of army commanders.

              e) Select from among the parts of the okrug (except for mechanized and aviation) gas tanks and transfer them at 50 percent. in 3 and 12 microns. Duration 21.6.41 g .;

              f) Take all measures to provide each machine and tractor with spare parts, and through the head of the OST with accessories for refueling machines (funnels, buckets).

              Commander Pribovo
              Colonel General KUZNETSOV

              Member of the military council
              cabinet
              Commissioner DIBROV

              Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Klenov


              1. family tree
                family tree 5 January 2016 22: 36
                +2
                DIRECTIVE OF THE STAFF OF THE BALTIC SPECIAL MILITARY DISTRICT

                19th of June 1941

                1. To control the equipment of the defense line. Emphasis on the preparation of positions on the main page of the UR, the work on which to strengthen.

                2. In the assumption to finish the work. But to occupy the positions of the assumption only in case of violation by the enemy of the state border.

                In order to ensure quick occupation of positions both in the forefield and [in] the main defensive zone, the corresponding units must be perfectly alert.

                In the area behind their positions, check the reliability and speed of communication with border units.

                3. Particular attention should be paid so that there is no provocation and panic in our units, to strengthen the control of combat readiness. Everything to do without noise, firmly, calmly. Each commander and political worker soberly understand the situation.

                4. Establish minefields according to the plan of the army commander, where they should stand according to the plan of defensive construction. Pay attention to complete secrecy for the rival and security for their parts. Blockages and other anti-tank obstacles to create according to the plan of the army commander, also according to the plan of defensive construction.

                5. Shtarm, corps and divisions - at their own command posts, which will provide the VET by decision of the respective commander.

                6. Our retractable units must go to their shelter areas. Take into account the increasing incidence of flights of the state border by German aircraft.

                7. Continue to aggressively replenish parts with fire supplies and other types of supplies.

                Persistently put together units on the march and on the spot.

                Commander Pribovo Head of Department

                Colonel General KUZNETSOV political propaganda ASH

                Chief of Staff Lieutenant General KLENOV

                TsAMO, f. 344, op. 5564. d. 1, l. 34-35. Script.

                TsAMO, f.344, op. 5564, d.1, l. 16. The original.

                Report to the Commander of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet, Commander of the Leningrad
                AND BALTIC SPECIAL
                MILITARY DISTRICTS, HEAD OF THE BORDER

                20th of June 1941

                Since 19.6.41, KBF units have been put on alert according to plan N2, deployed a command post, and patrol service has been strengthened at the mouth of the Gulf of Finland and the Irbensky Strait.

                KBF Commander
                Vice Admiral TRIBUTS

                TsAMO, f.221, op. 1394, d.2, l. 59. Script.
                Of course, we can assume that this is an initiative on the ground, only for this we need to smoke a lot of fiction yes
                1. Severomor
                  Severomor 8 January 2016 00: 35
                  0
                  Of course, one can assume that this is a local initiative.

                  They do not read it, too hard for a soft mind. Better than 50 million according to Solzhenitsyn, it’s easier, you don’t have to think! This is the Nobel laureate !!!
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        2. valday
          valday 5 January 2016 20: 36
          12
          Hitler officially appointed the date of the attack only on June 10, 1941, before that there was no exact date. And our intelligence found out about this and on June 18, 1941 there was a telephone message from the General Staff in the district about the secretly bringing the troops into combat readiness, which indicated the date of the MOST PROBABLY ATTACK on JUNE 22, 1941. From the depths of the country reserves began to draw.
          Now try to answer the question why the commander of the western district met Pavlov on June 22 at the theater, and not at the headquarters in the army?
          Why did the soldiers of the Brest Fortress meet the war in bunks, not trenches?
          Why Zhukov and Tymoshenko acted according to the plan of defeat of Tukhachevsky and concentrated the main forces on the Kiev direction and to the south? Why did the General Staff with Zhukov and Tymoshenko not keep records of the reserves nominated from the depths and why was the plan for the transfer of troops and material support fulfilled by less than 20%? Stalin, that he had to do everything himself everywhere?
          And about Stalin's depression at the beginning of the war, look at the journal of Stalin's visits. He holds 15 - 20 meetings a day with leaders of various levels - is this depression in your opinion? He was probably engaged in transferring the country to a war footing.
          And don't read Wikipedia, read learned historians.
      3. Prophetic
        Prophetic 5 January 2016 19: 34