Stalin’s amazingly accurate predictions about Russia

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Surprisingly accurate predictions left descendants I.V. Stalin, some of whom have already turned. Prophetic prediction I.V. Stalin on Russia - the USSR, the Russian people and the East (quoted by R. Kosolapov’s article, “What is the truth about Stalin?”. Pravda newspaper, July 4, 1998).

On the very eve of the war with Finland, JV Stalin invited the famous revolutionary Alexander Kollontai, the daughter of the tsarist general, who was plenipotentiary ambassador to Sweden (1930 - 45), to his office for a talk. The conversation was very trusting and made an extraordinary impression on AM Kollontai. “Coming out of the Kremlin, I did not go, ran, repeating, so as not to forget what Stalin said. Going into the house ... began to write. It was already deep night ... An indelible impression! I took a different look at the world around me. (To this conversation) I turned mentally many, many times already during the war and after it, reread, and always found something new ... And now, as a reality, I see Stalin's office in the Kremlin, it has a long table and Stalin ... Goodbye , he said:
- Be brave. Hard times are coming. They need to be overcome ... Overcome. Be sure to overcome! Strengthen health. Temper in the fight.

The record of this conversation with I. V. Stalin was found in A. M. Kollontai's diaries, which she kept for a long time. For the first time, these archival extracts were published by the historian and biographer A.M. Kollontai, doctor historical Sciences MI Trush in cooperation with prof. R. I. Kosolapov in the journal "Dialogue" for 1998
I. V. Stalin said:

“Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly revenge us for our successes and achievements. He still regards Russia as a barbarous country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. I will assign a lot of atrocities.
World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR is in the friendship of nations. The edge of the struggle will be directed, first of all, at breaking this friendship, at separating the borderlands from Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything. There is still a large field of work.

Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
In general, in the future development will go more difficult and even frantic ways, turns will be extremely steep. It goes to the fact that the East is especially excited. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "

Further, according to this diary entry, JV Stalin said:

“All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! Among the Russian people, among all nations, the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder than other nations. You can rely on it in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible! ”
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  1. +322
    5 January 2016 17: 00
    Missing you, really missing you ...
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      1. +54
        5 January 2016 17: 36
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        Yes and no. We have a normal president. God bless him! Yes
        1. -139
          5 January 2016 18: 21
          This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed. And where did Stalin come from with such a trusting attitude to this proxy. Trusted people are not sent by ambassadors over the hill. Quite the opposite. I do not believe.
          1. +36
            5 January 2016 18: 23
            Quote: Mahmut
            Rather the opposite.


            who do not trust send ambassadors? laughing
            1. -92
              5 January 2016 18: 34
              Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.
              1. +15
                5 January 2016 21: 07
                So do not rush to send everyone somewhere, it was a difficult time, we have survived and are not continuing now.
                1. +28
                  6 January 2016 00: 49
                  It is difficult now to overestimate the role and greatness of Stalin for our country, and for the whole world.
                  now for a time the dwarfs defeated the Atlanteans, defeated nasty, treacherous, but this is only for a while ..., only for a while.
                  Stalin speaks of the greatness and intelligence of our people, and I am firmly convinced that in our country there are Stalin, Leninia, Dzerzhinsky, and Lunacharsky ... they are only dissolved in the masses now, we don’t know them yet, but they time will come, will come inexorably and lightning fast.
                  We will restore the country and our children and grandchildren will again go to free schools and go to the cinema for free sessions.
                  It will be obligatory, but it cannot be otherwise, otherwise we will die.
                  1. -25
                    6 January 2016 01: 31
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Stalin speaks of the greatness and mind of our people

                    local sectarians do not want to hear him, all of them Stalin did instead of the people
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS

                    and I am firmly convinced that in our country there are Stalin, Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, and Lunacharsky ... only they are now dissolved in the masses, we don’t know them yet,
                    ...

                    look for dill - right now there were a lot of them
                    1. +27
                      6 January 2016 02: 29
                      Quote: poquello
                      look for dill - right now there were a lot of them

                      What are you talking about, dear?
                      Do you even know approximately how many Russians are in Ukraine?
                      For advice, remember the "beard" about the boatswain laughing
                      I lazy to troll with you lol , since I know perfectly well that next you scratch about swamps, white petals and other garbage, or the debate comes down to what is better, socialism or capitalism Yes
                      Do not waste your or my time, I am firm in my beliefs, and I have gained my strength through the years I have lived. And accept that socialism will win, accept as an axiom wink
                      1. -10
                        6 January 2016 15: 37
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Quote: poquello
                        look for dill - right now there were a lot of them

                        What are you talking about, dear?
                        ...

                        about the itch of revolution in your ass
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                  2. +11
                    6 January 2016 07: 40
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Stalin speaks of the greatness and mind of our people


                    The fact is that this conversation most likely simply WAS NOT:

                    -Excerpts from the Journal of Visits by I.V. Stalin (ZhMI), Kollontai did not visit him.

                    - Diplomatic diaries. 1922-1940. In the 2 volumes published in the 2001 year they say that she met with Molotov -
                    "I sit and wait for Vyacheslav Mikhailovich's call. I wait for hours. The secretaries return from his office and laconically throw to me: "No, still busy, wait a minute." ".... Your task," Molotov said to me at parting, "is to keep the Scandinavians from entering the war. Let them sit in their favorite neutrality. Although I was in Moscow for only two days, the order came from Vyacheslav Mikhailovich to fly back to Sweden to 6 a.m. Stalin never saw. Annoyingly! It’s easy and simple to talk to him.
                    -The text of the Trushev article partially coincides with the conversation between Kollontai and Molotov - there are whole sentences word for word.
                    -No publications of Trush himself in scientific journals on this subject does not exist. The archived document number is not given.


                    Rather, this conversation is an essay on the free theme of the newspaper Pravda.
                    1. +4
                      6 January 2016 10: 36
                      I did not see 1930, but there were other interviews. The ambassador is not a convict with a core on his leg.
                  3. -20
                    6 January 2016 13: 50
                    I love imaginary slogans. Chief among them: "We will restore Russia!" Not to mention the technical impossibility of this nonsense, let me ask you; sample of what year? Let's reduce the choice by one century, the 20th. 1913? 1917? 1923? 1928? 1932? 1937? 1941? 1946? 1961? WHEN? Thank God, there is an opportunity to make a decent country, but no, they are pulling into the past. You ask your children, do they want at least 1983? Will they thank you if you go against them?
                    1. +31
                      6 January 2016 16: 34
                      I want forever in 1983. Again in Tashkent’s bread and almost non-deficit Tashkent, to build airplanes and get from 300 to 400, again in 2 years to get a new apartment, relax on Issyk-Kul in a factory boarding house. Only here in 1984 I would have beaten Gorbachev in any way with Yeltsin until they had time to spoil, but many heroes of our time had to be strangled until they had spoiled.
                      1. -2
                        7 January 2016 14: 21
                        Quote: asher
                        Gorbachev I would have nailed in 1984

                        But it was not Gorbachev who won, but his clique. At that time, a loner in the Central Committee could not win. And Andropov's murder did not come from a loner. Why then all the KGB and personal security? So they prepared all this, and removed the guards. Moreover, Gorbachev was promoted by the CIA, well, I don’t believe that this muddlehead let everything down so that everything seems to be correct, and the consequences are terrible. As the Chinese say: "The dragon wins with truth."
                      2. +1
                        8 January 2016 09: 24
                        not everything was so bad now and not everything was so good then ... And I in YOUR 1983 in Krasnoyarsk scoured the shops to no avail in search of tights for a small child!
                    2. c3r
                      0
                      7 January 2016 20: 58
                      Dear, in comparison with the 90s, Russia has made a big step forward. And more than one will do it, but this is if there are as few people like you inside Russia as possible. What kind of a decent country have you made? It's good that the management had enough intelligence to make reserves, otherwise, if oil prices fell, and they would fall due to the appearance of cheap ISIS oil on the market, your "decent country" would become more indecent than in 90s and you would be the first to tell what kind of power is bad. How tortured comrades constantly trying to find something bad and criticize and criticize, and when they themselves are instructed to do something, they begin to justify why it did not work!
                2. +13
                  6 January 2016 10: 29
                  Quote: Petrof
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Rather the opposite.


                  who do not trust send ambassadors? laughing

                  Quote: cniza
                  So do not rush to send everyone somewhere, it was a difficult time, we have survived and are not continuing now.

                  It was not we who survived, but some other people. I worked on a piece of iron for 10 years. Once on TV "Zvezda" there was material on the work of railway workers during the war (both ours and the Germans). I SO COULD NOT be able to do without options at all, these titans were some kind of shorter people. Gods
              2. +20
                5 January 2016 23: 38
                Quote: Mahmut
                Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.


                Mahmut, if you decide to troll, do it smartly. Ambassador to Sweden on the eve of the war - a sign of working out? One of the hardest jobs for a diplomat during the war! Watch the film "Ambassador of the Soviet Union", this is about Kollontai's work in Sweden, by the way, and write competently, for a troll this is not the last thing, the name Kollontai is written with two letters.
                1. +1
                  6 January 2016 10: 38
                  Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                  Kollontai is written with two liters.

                  Apparently his grammar correction is not included.
                2. +2
                  6 January 2016 15: 43
                  Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                  Ambassador to Sweden on the eve of war - a sign of prosperity?

                  Of course not. But Kollontai Mahmud was not mistaken in the classification (proshmondovka). She is a degenerative degeneration (according to G. Klimov). And they make very good diplomats and intelligence officers. Respected by all, Kim Philby was also rear-wheel drive, and the entire Cambridge Five was tied to the "same" theme. All intelligence services in the world use homosexuals and lesbians for underground work.
                  And in this regard, Stalin is just a handsome man who knows about the nature of Kollontai's "talent" and skillfully used it. hi
              3. +3
                6 January 2016 09: 18
                Quote: Mahmut
                Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.


                Right now, Churkin was surprised - he is like an ambassador to the UN.

                In general - keep your friends close and your enemies even closer (s)!
                1. +2
                  6 January 2016 13: 54
                  And he shot enemies. As well as persons whom he equated with enemies. There was no need to send to Sweden. Would accuse of left excesses - and hello.
              4. +6
                6 January 2016 10: 30
                You can only imagine what kind of bastard you send to your best friends, if only to keep away from yourself, let your friends disentangle, and send your enemy to your enemies. Do not forget that at that time the woman ambassador was something more than in tsarist times a woman general, namely a general, not a general — the general’s wife. Even against the background of the women of that time, Kollontai was a female genius among women. It’s enough to recall that Molotov’s wife disclosed secret facts to the foreign ambassador at an international reception, received the first warning from Stalin, but at the next reception she spilled out the information used to calculate our intelligence agent. There was no second warning, she sat far and for a long time ... where no one was interested in her information. Kollontai not only pulled Finland out of the war, having prepared the terms for a peaceful resolution of the conflict (war), which freed some of our armed forces, but also made Finland try to disarm the German forces in Finland. German troops during the retreat burned and destroyed 600 bridges from the 900 existing in Finland, blew up more than 12 000 office buildings, schools and churches. What immediately changed the attitude of the Finns to the Russians.
              5. -1
                6 January 2016 19: 53
                Mahmut

                Maybe you are right. But many people do not think in subtle matters.

                Although, your rank allows you to carry justice in a rude manner.

                By the way.

                The last statement about the Russian people. It gives reason to be proud. True, as if the Fursenkov youth, their pride must be brought to the realm of swagger.

                I would like to recall that such statements are not only for pride, but also oblige in many respects. There is a lot of injustice in the world, and it means a wide field for serious duties.
          2. -12
            5 January 2016 18: 37
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with the Krupskaya decree on ....
            she is a darling ... she. Yes
          3. +43
            5 January 2016 20: 02
            Quote: Mahmut
            And where did Stalin come from with such a trusting attitude to this proxy.

            And where did such a high rank (Marshal) come from ?! Demand! By the way, under Stalin you would be shot. And they would do it right.
            am
            1. -4
              5 January 2016 21: 18
              You too. Nehru on the bourgeois Internet to roam ... Cosmopolitan damned ...
              1. +9
                6 January 2016 04: 48
                No need to whistle ... Stalin led the country to full industrialization and the Internet would not have chopped it off, because this is progress.
                1. +4
                  6 January 2016 10: 50
                  Stalin planned to introduce money-free trade by the end of his life, apparently something like modern cards ... although I do not think that there was complete equality. Unlike Khrushch, the Benderite, Stalin did not introduce rationing, and if the Stakhanovite overfulfilled the plan, then until the designers build a new machine with increased productivity, the Stakhanovite received overfulfillment of the plan. To each according to work! Initially, if we recall, in rural collective farms, workdays were divided equally, regardless of productivity, but then collective farmers began to complain en masse about the "drones" they receive on an equal basis with everyone else. Then the motto appeared: "To each according to his work."
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2016 20: 04
                    shasherin pavel

                    Good thing, cards.

                    In the absence of money, there is no scope for scammers. And to mean there would be no redistribution of property. And adjustment too.

                    But the Stakhanov movement is not the best form of social competition. Since the competition must have rules, but also impose restrictions. Otherwise, in pursuit of a long ruble, rivals will drive each other. And as you know, driven horses are shot.
                    1. +1
                      7 January 2016 14: 45
                      It is worth noting that Stalin supported the Stakhanov movement, but forbade the counter plan. It should also be noted that in spite of the fact that not a single five-year plan was fulfilled, people were awarded, not punished. The secret was revealed unexpectedly for me, by the memoirs of the director of a defense plant for the production of tanks. The plan was such that it was initially impossible to fulfill it. The director calls Stalin and spreads all the facts that prevent him from fulfilling the assigned plan for the release of tanks, but the answer is unequivocal: "The plan must be fulfilled." All who could and who could not strained themselves, any proposals to increase the plan were accepted, but only 250 tanks out of the 500 assigned were released. .. and received the task to reward those who distinguished themselves. It turned out that the Kremlin could not even imagine that they would be able to release so many tanks. We thought 50 would be good, but it was the plan of 500 cars that made everything impossible. And what could be done below in order to fulfill the plan launched from above. The storekeeper complained to the young designer Shpagin that the director of the plant constantly scolds him for lack of some details (and what can he do?) Shpagin prepared a board for the storekeeper, on which the storekeeper indicated the number of parts in the warehouse with columns of colored paper. The storekeeper only pulled out colored paper up to the count of 20% or 60% of the norm. The next time the director came, the storekeeper showed him a schedule of the presence of spare parts for weapons, where it was clear how many parts were in the warehouse at the current time. They took the parts, the column was lowered manually, the parts came, the column was pulled out to the desired mark. The plant ceased to be in a fever due to the lack of some parts, the productivity increased by 50% of the plan.
            2. +15
              6 January 2016 02: 30
              He took the country with a hoe, but left it with a rocket .. Regarding the execution, you do not confuse the warm with the soft ...
              1. +4
                6 January 2016 11: 23
                As for plow: the plow did not plow the land under rye and wheat, only under oats and barley. The plow and the plow were equal instruments of labor. Here one must correctly understand: He adopted a country where the one-man farmer plowed the land (with one plow in a harness), but left it with a rocket!
                Quote: Leninsk
                Regarding the execution,

                When I read which ones are in prison for life, I want to ask: "Let me cut their throats, if you can't shoot!" Has anyone thought for a moment about the contradiction of our time: At the places of mass graves, obelisks are erected for the "innocent murdered". This means that Stalin created a society in which there were no murderers, child molesters, plunders of state property, rapists and other svolochie. Or are we slandering ourselves ?! and do not think with our own head that we are erecting monuments to murderers and thieves!
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 21: 51
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  and do not think with our own head that we are erecting monuments to murderers and thieves!

                  During his 60 years, I have never participated in the installation of a monument to the "victims". And in my comments I try as much as possible to avoid joining some “we” (although I was caught just now. And called upon to “speak from myself”). Are the monuments to the "victims" erected so popularly? Are the notorious “we” so naive not to understand the reason for their erection?
                  1. 0
                    7 January 2016 15: 00
                    Law is law! If someone tried to apply the laws on responsibility for crimes of the 19th century, in the 20th century, they would get a riot in the country. And if the laws of the 23th century were applied to the 2th century, they would have received complete anarchy. The laws on timing were applied after a nationwide discussion, or ... you can recall Petrograd in 6 year, when gangs gathered from workers 'factories, and workers' settlements were not recommended to visit even during the day, and at the same time, liberal laws of the people's court were given for rape for 2 months, for robbery for 10 months, for murder up to 15 years. And the perversion of the law began to cleanse the city of filth: for the rape of a communist or Komsomol member, they began to pass a sentence, as enemies of the people for undermining the power up to XNUMX years, for robbing a communist's apartment as an enemy of the people up to XNUMX years. And then these terms migrated to the criminal code. If a person was shot, then he deserved it! Even if he was a worker ... during the day, and a bandit at night. Judging by the statistics, the entire cavalry regiment of "St. George the Victorious" was brought to the innocently killed priests, where the priests went on an attack with sabers on their heads against the Red Army, which was ambushed and was shot from machine guns.
            3. -1
              6 January 2016 04: 46
              Mahmut - he is in Africa Mahmut
            4. 0
              6 January 2016 19: 57
              papik09

              MAHMUT, he is smart. And he deserved the title. And if he deserves it, then he can use it, as he likes. And uses, I must say skillfully.
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          4. +1
            5 January 2016 23: 08
            Abdula (Mahmut) set fire!
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          6. 0
            5 January 2016 23: 12
            [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = -hCJTF8iwu8
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 09: 23
              And when did they, the ancient Ukrainians, dig the Black Sea?
          7. +15
            5 January 2016 23: 15
            Enough reasoned and understandable for the unfortunate historians, monarchists and other lovers of grief scribblers about the atrocities of Stalinism.
            1. +7
              5 January 2016 23: 27
              Anatoly Wasserman about Stalin:

          8. +12
            5 January 2016 23: 33
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed.


            And this is not the Mahmut who sleeps and sees how Russia will break up into 40-50 independent states? How many liberals are warming their hands in the information war!
            1. +1
              6 January 2016 00: 04
              And the liberals do not like, minus! So, hit the mark ...
              1. +4
                6 January 2016 01: 34
                Quote: djqnbdjqnb
                And the liberals do not like, minus! So, hit the mark ...

                it is possible minuscule people know this man, and you stupidly stipulated him
              2. 0
                6 January 2016 19: 49
                Do not you .... point, a man with long woman hair.
                1. 0
                  7 January 2016 15: 13
                  Quote: Humpty
                  man with long

                  like Gogol, Chernyshevsky, Herzen, or like Samson. Can you portray "Vikings" with a "beaver" or "half-box" hairstyle? I would like to inform you that in the American army it is strictly forbidden to cut hair for "Indians", when cut they lose all their abilities as trackers, scouts or guides. It turns out that a man with a haircut is easier to become a slave and it is easier to obey than with long hair. That is why they cut their heads in the army. A man does not become stupider, but he becomes less free in his actions.
          9. -5
            6 January 2016 06: 21
            Joseph Vissarionovich had nothing to do with Kollontai. The fact that this revolutionary-minded woman wrote down to herself in her diary speaks of her ... flexibility and enterprise - no more! There is no "letter from STALIN to the kolontai". Undoubtedly - having got into the highest echelons of power, this lady successfully and effectively used her shaggy hair - with the benefit of herself first of all. There are a lot of myths, they are created for specific purposes. Comrade Kostrikov left in his memory the peeled underpants - and what myth? Enemies of the revolution, political murder! Is it possible to be both revolutionary and ... a woman with a very high need for sex?
            1. -4
              6 January 2016 15: 22
              uggles (oops, muks). are you obviously worried
              1. 0
                7 January 2016 15: 16
                Quote: ilyinval61
                ilyinval61

                Impotent?
          10. +8
            6 January 2016 08: 42
            This is not a matter of faith, but a matter of knowledge. "Defile and spit" has always been in the arsenal of anti-communists. It's time to learn to think with your own head and not give in to false promises, and even more so to draw far-reaching conclusions based on them.
          11. gjv
            +5
            6 January 2016 11: 34
            Quote: Mahmut
            This is not the Kolontai that, together with Krupskaya, a decree on the nationalization of women was composed.

            In 1913, Alexandra Kollontai published an article, “A New Woman,” in which she developed the views on a woman of a new, advanced society. The new Kollontai woman strives to become a full member of society and therefore is guided by the following principles:
            Victory over emotions, the development of self-discipline.
            Refusal of jealousy, respect for the freedom of men.
            It does not require material support from a man, but a careful attitude to his personality.
            The new woman is an independent person, her interests are not limited to home, family and love.
            Submission to the mind of love experiences.
            Refusal of the fetish of "double morality" in love relationships. The new woman does not hide her sexuality.
          12. +3
            6 January 2016 11: 34
            Kollontai has done a lot for the USSR. during the war years. Largely thanks to her, Sweden took a neutral position. Thanks to her intelligence and other personal qualities (aristocratic education, diplomacy, wit, personal charm), the prestige of Soviet diplomacy was strengthened in the Scandinavian countries.
          13. -3
            6 January 2016 13: 34
            Lies. Almost literally coincides with the wet dreams of homegrown fascists. They agree with Gtler as regards Jews and other inferior races, only to admit this is not yet a Camilfo. I read all the volumes of J. V. Stalin, including the "dubious" 18th. Absolutely not his style, not his vocabulary. Wretched thoughts of an anti-Semite-loser, who are trying to pass off as revelations from the Leader. And - to the previous author: it is an honor to share the disadvantages with you.
            1. 0
              7 January 2016 15: 22
              Quote: Azitral
              with wet dreams

              dreams of a wet place?
              Quote: Azitral
              Gtler

              Correction of grammar does not work in "computer". or so hurry up to report that it is not up to verification.
          14. +3
            6 January 2016 18: 18
            Dear Mahmut!
            Seeing a bunch of minuses, he became interested, began to twist, twirl options, look for the background and that's what came to.
            1. The topic of the article "Stalin" is more than relevant. More than 800 responses per day. Try to find something similar on the site.
            2. Illustration for 5 points.
            3. The topic of the article is delusional. Everyone thinks what will happen after him. A man of big business, wonders what will happen to the business. But to confess Stalin, with an accidental, extraordinary ... Do not tell. I certainly do not believe it!
            4. Yes, extraordinary. There are many things that were taken into account, communications, opportunities. She has been ambassadors and successful since 1923.
            5. And the revelations themselves "vaguely remind me of something."
            6. A fake of pure water.
            7. Could an article about Stalin be better picked up.
            It seems that you meant it. Sorry if I made a mistake.
          15. +2
            7 January 2016 14: 00
            Having opened the Cookbook of 1905, in the section: “What if the guests came to you and there are no products in the house?”
            “Send the cook to the cellar, let her chop cold boiled pork, salmon, add soaked cranberries, sprinkle with fresh herbs and serve.” Spill home liqueur, apologize to the guests ... "
            Lord ... Such a country has been drained!
            1. +1
              7 January 2016 15: 28
              "After the execution of Alexander, the Ulyanovs lived so poorly that instead of beef they had to buy chicken liver." "Vladimir Ulyanov brought his first salary home at the age of 27." "If the poor do not have enough bread, then let them ... eat pastries." Maybe you yourself will understand that in a country where literate in 1913 was 13% and who can read 15% "Cookbook" was not written for peasants.
        2. +68
          5 January 2016 19: 28
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

          Yes and no. We have a normal president. God bless him! Yes


          Unfortunately it is necessary. Because only leaders of this level are able to pull the country out of ... where it resides. And our president is normal only when compared with Poroshenko or Oland, well, even against the backdrop of Obama, too, is not bad. And so he’s sorry lousy. We need not liberal tactics (who GDP is, because strategically he thinks rather poorly), but a cynical and tough strategist. Good manager. And this is not about GDP. Just another on the horizon is not visible. So there is no need for illusions.
          1. -11
            5 January 2016 19: 53
            Are you not good?
          2. +23
            5 January 2016 20: 42
            Quote: cobra77
            We need not liberal tactics (who GDP is, because strategically he thinks rather poorly), but a cynical and tough strategist. Good manager. And this is not about GDP. Just another on the horizon is not visible. So there is no need for illusions.

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            Situationally, at the response level, it is almost flawless. But supporting such a failed course of his friend Medvedev, he can lose credibility. Mikhail Delyagin describes the current failure course well. Usually, after the crises of 1998 or 2008, we did not like it for more than six months, and here for a year and a half we are forced to pay for the failed course of the Government, while referring to the pseudo sanctions of the West.

          3. -10
            6 January 2016 00: 37
            I read your grunt, honestly met would make the brain from drugs rinse.
            1. 0
              7 January 2016 15: 34
              "Who said that ?!" And in response: - "We!" - there are twenty of them, and I am one. "So whose statement is this? Specifically!" They say: - "Ours!" "Well ... excuse me, maybe my brain is in drugs? Oink-oink."
        3. +10
          5 January 2016 20: 29
          Yes, let it be healthy, but ... Stalin would not be in the way. Though now not the 37th.
          1. -103
            5 January 2016 20: 35
            Quote: WINovikov
            Yes, let it be healthy, but ... Stalin would not be in the way. Though now not the 37th.
            1. +20
              5 January 2016 22: 07
              Do you want honest Communists to be shot, not Trotskyists? Yes, this plate is sawn to holes, about millions of executions and innocent victims.
              1. -12
                5 January 2016 22: 48
                And what is an "honest communist"? This is the opposite of the word "Trotskyist".
                Or maybe it's someone who is not afraid to openly express their opinions. Or those who on every occasion loudly praised the Leader. So which of them was shot more often. And which of them was honest.
                1. -8
                  5 January 2016 23: 24
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  . And which of them was honest.

                  Colleague, I am with you against everyone who blames on our president. Worthy man. hi good
              2. +23
                5 January 2016 22: 59
                NordUral You're right - V. Soloukhin once wrote - "who was killed in 37? Those who killed us in 19 ..."
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 00: 09
                  From bureaucracy and hibernation
                  To protect yourself completely
                  Portrait of Comrade Zemlyachki
                  Hang on, buddy, on the wall ...
                  Then wandering around the office,
                  Pray what you have learned so far
                  Countrywoman only in portrait:
                  A hundred times more terrible than the original.

                  laughing
                  1. -2
                    7 January 2016 16: 53
                    Proclamation and strike,
                    Forwarding a huge country.
                    In the nineteenth became a Jew
                    Commissioner of the Civil War.

                    I didn’t know how to wash or give birth,
                    No mother, no wife -
                    Only one revolution matter
                    She understood and knew.

                    Squirts of the KGB handle
                    A month shines in a frosty window
                    And the firearm thing is silent
                    On the sideways belt.

                    Untidy like a true genius
                    And pale as a prophet locked up -
                    No indulgence to anyone
                    Never to find her.

                    Only thoughts like that have become,
                    Permeated her life.
                    All the enemies trembled before her
                    And her were afraid of her.
                    ...
                    We are all worth what we are worth
                    A trial will be made soon -
                    And you are under guard
                    On Soviet soil will be taken
            2. +5
              6 January 2016 02: 46
              It may be interesting to read how and who made the monster from Stalin.
              http://tehnowar.ru/33110-solzhenicyn-velikiy-predatel-rodiny.html
            3. +3
              6 January 2016 11: 49
              Here the people in Russia are restless ... It seems - we are discussing Stalin’s predictions about Russia. So no, it is imperative to drag, repression. Well, please explain what they have to do with it.
        4. +14
          6 January 2016 00: 06
          Quote: GSH-18
          We have a normal president.

          I envy. But here in Russia - some is not very. Science with one foot in the grave, education is breathless, the level of medicine has fallen below low, the industry has leaned on ... instead, hundreds of billions in olympiads and football championships, skolkovs and rostnans. People steal billions in the military - he releases them ahead of schedule ...
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        6. +4
          6 January 2016 00: 23
          Forgot! Much forgotten! Emotions are ahead of consciousness!
          ..... Stalinist repressions - mass political repressions [1] carried out in the USSR during the period of Stalinism (late 1920s - early 1950s) [2] [3]. The number of direct victims of repression (persons sentenced for political (counter-revolutionary) crimes to death or imprisonment, evicted, exiled) is estimated in millions. In addition, researchers point out the serious negative consequences that these repressions had for Soviet society as a whole, its demographic structure ... (Wiki)
          Guarantor, God grant health, endurance and patience! good
          1. +21
            6 January 2016 01: 23
            kapitan92 - "Forgot! Forgotten a lot! ..." - So it's impossible to "forget" something that was not there! You from "Wiki" - somehow be more careful, now Google from "MOV" sounds the name of our country as "Mordor" - you will also refer to this - eh?
            And you will not be surprised if you suddenly find out that the "father of the founder" of the camps for political prisoners was not the IS at all, but the "fiery" revolutionary Bronstein (Trotsky), and the fact that then the IS drove this entire Trotskyist gang into the camps created by them can only be seen the highest justice of history. "Millions" you say? Well, well, how many Russian peasants were gassed and fired with machine guns by order of Tukhachevsky during the suppression of the Antonov uprising - huh? And what, Tukhachevsky did not deserve what they did to him? And there were a lot of them, those who enthusiastically destroyed our people, do you sincerely regret that they were not allowed to finish what they started?
            And if we talk about the "negative consequences" - so they consist in the fact that not everyone who needs to be cut down fellow Svanidze alone is worth something, but really it’s a negative consequence ... well, so that IS wouldn’t cut this nasty little family to zero ... and now we’ll put up this crooked face on the screen request
            1. -5
              6 January 2016 11: 54
              Quote: Goga101
              gassed and shot with machine guns on the orders of Tukhachevsky with the suppression of Antonovsky

              Well, it was necessary to read the latest information that poisonous gases ceased to be released after 17 years, and their shelf life was not more than 4-5 years, and the longer the period from release, the less action there was, and there were not enough shells (500 per hectare) to create a cloud (when used in the forest, not one of our dead and horses tied to trees remained alive), there was no team able to work with toxic substances. So Tukhachevsky can only be blamed for the intention to use gas, but the order clearly stated that it should not be used against villages, but only in the forests, and the places of bandits' locations. By the way, I advise you to learn about the actions of the bandits and what deaths they betrayed their victims: according to our laws, this is a minimum life sentence! This is not a peaceful demonstration was not a pioneer gathering. And if Tukhachevsky wanted to use the gases, he was only to avoid casualties among the Red Army soldiers. By the way: the use of atomic bombs in Japan was precisely for this purpose: to save the lives of American soldiers during the capture of the islands. There is a real use ... and no one says that this is a crime! The Antonov uprising was accompanied by such cruelty towards the captured Red Army soldiers that the highest measure was provided to them in absentia. But the use of gases did not and did not pass.
              1. +1
                6 January 2016 21: 12
                Quote: shasherin.pavel
                By the way: the use of atomic bombs in Japan was precisely for this purpose: to save the lives of American soldiers during the capture of the islands.


                Do you justify the atomic bombing by the Americans of Japanese cities?
                Yeah...
                1. 0
                  7 January 2016 15: 48
                  I applied Truman's statement to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. "The purpose of using such weapons is to save the lives of American soldiers." It is strange not to know this, especially since there is even a newsreel of this speech. And you didn’t have to read that after the "Mini-Bikini" the laboratory plane took readings of the natural radiation background over Japan, before Hiroshima, recorded the release of elements into the atmosphere in the Sea of ​​Japan, as after a nuclear explosion, even before the "Kid" was brought to a naval base from the United States. As we can see, the civilized world does not stop before the carpet bombing of cities or the atomic bomb, unlike the dictator Stalin, who banned the bombing of residential areas in Helsinki and Berlin. Banned the bombing of Budapest during the assault.
              2. +2
                8 January 2016 13: 36
                Substantial amendment. The first time Tukhachevsky used gases in the suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion.
                The second is no less significant. The actions of the CHON, which were used not at the fronts, but in the rear, and precisely to suppress the uprising, of which there were a mass!
                The bulk of the CHONs are internationalists .., about 300, some Chinese were 000! Behind them was the terrible thousand-year-old imperial experience of working as a feast, which they fully applied to the peasants who grew up ...
                The third amendment, the most important in my opinion.
                The civil war ended not in 1922, but in 1938 with the processes, executions, and landings known to you, and it ended in the victory of national forces led and led by Stalin!
          2. 0
            6 January 2016 03: 35
            wiki is a wiki, not we made it up.
            1. +1
              6 January 2016 10: 01
              WIKI:

              Stalinist repressions are supposedly massive political repressions [1] carried out in the USSR during the period of Stalinism (late 1920s – early 1950s) [2] [3]. The number of direct victims of repression (persons sentenced for political (counter-revolutionary) crimes to the death penalty or imprisonment, evicted, exiled) amounts to billions. Besides, ...

              Read the third word from the beginning of the quote and the third from the end.
              I corrected the story.
              I am great! (Not in the sense of a Velik with a steering wheel and pedals).

              All with NG!
              1. +4
                6 January 2016 12: 03
                Quote: Kostoprav
                I corrected the story.
                chiropractor wrote. I did the same with the history of the Belomorkanal, when in the comments I noted that “in all the years of construction 125 people (not prisoners of canal army) participated in the construction of the canal, that is, with the administration, architects and civilian employees, but 000 died during the construction. this is on one wikipedia page. Would you like to trust? Please! "Come in if that ...".
          3. +2
            6 January 2016 15: 39
            “Is it true that 40 million were convicted?”
            no, that’s a lie.
            from 1921 to 1954, 3 people were convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, of which to VMN - 642 980 people.
            Over the entire period, the total number of prisoners (not only “political”) did not exceed 2.5 million, during this time only 1.8 million died, of which about 600 thousand were political. The lion's share of deaths occurred in 42-43 years.
            Such writers as Solzhenitsyn, Suvorov, Leo Razgon, Antonov-Ovseenko, Roy Medvedev, Vyltsan, Shatunovskaya are liars and falsifiers.
            You see, the Gulag or the prisons were not “death camps” like the Nazi, every year 200-350 thousand people came out of them, the term of which ended. ”

            Zemskov became one of the first researchers to deal closely with the issue of repression, and has been publishing materials on this topic since the beginning of the 90s, i.e. already 25 years old. So figure it out here! My grandfather disappeared in the 37th.
        7. 0
          8 January 2016 09: 06
          The president is normal, but the government?
      2. +87
        5 January 2016 17: 46
        Who slanders the Leader of the Peoples, read the biography of Paulus, commander of the 6th Amy, how he and other captured generals were treated as prisoners, and this is after all the Germans' atrocities. Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.
        1. +105
          5 January 2016 17: 55
          By the way, I wrote about this in another topic. But everything has quieted down there, they will read a little. But the thought is.
          That's what I’m thinking about now. Whom we cleaned our faces not so long ago is not very bad about us and vice versa.
          The Germans were cleaned up during the war, sent to construction sites of the national economy. Not really yelling at us.
          Hungarians during the riot cleaned up, now barking towards the EU, sometimes.
          The Czechs were also cleaned, behaving normally towards us, without squeals.
          But the Poles were not cleaned, somehow it worked out. Ardent Russophobia.
          The Bulgarians helped, they helped, they helped us to step with the South Stream, and closed the space for our aircraft.
          We have not cleaned the Baltic states, we are reaping the benefits.

          Conclusion: often clean and force to work on construction sites of the national economy, then they will love us.
          By the way, the Anglo-Saxons did not work there either.
          1. +7
            5 January 2016 19: 53
            Anglo-Saxons do not know how to work and do not like. not one miracle of the world in England, except for those captured and brought, no. just fought the whole story.
            1. +8
              5 January 2016 20: 23
              Quote: Kyustenkats
              Anglo-Saxons do not know how to work and do not like. not one miracle of the world in England, except for those captured and brought, no. just fought the whole story.

              You are in vain. Britons know how to work. War, by the way, is also work, and not an easy one. Read, perhaps, in London. The psychology of the Britons is described fairly well there. Their main goal is profit. Hence their whole story.
              For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Therefore, there are so many indifferent and outright lazy people in Russia. But there are also many who seek to help someone. The soul demands. Russian "maybe", "how God will send to the soul", "a man harnesses for a long time, but goes fast", Russian fairy tales - all of this and about this.
              1. +9
                5 January 2016 20: 56
                Quote: Stranger
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Because there are so many indifferent and outright idlers in Russia.

                In vain you are so about Russian !! It can be seen that they pressed your ancestors well that you are poisoning like that !!!
                1. +21
                  5 January 2016 21: 32
                  For Russians, then the main thing is to enjoy life? You are really an outsider. In Russia.
                  Zadolbali such experts in the Russian soul.
                2. -8
                  5 January 2016 21: 51
                  Quote: sssla
                  In vain you are so about Russian !! It can be seen that they pressed your ancestors well that you are poisoning like that !!!


                  : o) Where did you see the poison? About do not care - so I myself do not care. And in my life I have seen enough of this nonsense. What in factories, where he worked, what in the navy, when he served. So I have an idea of ​​what I'm talking about.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2016 12: 13
                    Quote: Stranger
                    And in my life I have seen enough of this nonsense. What's in the factories where he worked

                    So it worked and didn’t care? I’ve been working all my life since 1975 of the year and didn’t see any indifference, but working on my salary, when in practice I was in the workshop where I worked on the deal, I just slept and worked the first week, there was not enough time for dancing and walking.
                3. +25
                  5 January 2016 22: 13
                  Strange nonsense and lazy Russians, these are the borders from Poland to Japan, but they also worked in California and Alaska. Yes, almost all the republics of the former USSR still live a considerable part of the fruits of the labors of those idlers.
                  1. +3
                    5 January 2016 22: 32
                    Who said that indifference does not go well with achieving results? Or have you never exclaimed in your life: "And by ...!". Healthy indifference just helps in difficult situations not to fly off the coils. And about lazy people, I think you are well informed and have dealt with them more than once.
                    Maintaining peace of mind and receiving joy from life for each is purely individual. One is enough to drink and stare in the drawer, the other - they save some money and buy a car, the third - so that the family is in good health and well-being, and the fourth - the table is beautifully bungled - and happy. Someone wants to remake the world and sees happiness in that. Yes, only the latter is never happy.
                  2. MrK
                    +1
                    6 January 2016 10: 53
                    Quote: NordUral
                    About do not care - so I myself do not care.

                    Well, no luck guy in life, no luck.
              2. +5
                5 January 2016 21: 19
                Quote: Stranger
                The psychology of the Britons is described fairly well there. Their main goal is profit. Hence their whole story.
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life.


                But how did it happen that the British-Anglo-Saxons have --- so much gain, and the Russians have so much - emotional experiences? If an outside observer from another planet looks, then he will be able to say --- those are good, and those are much worse? If you read Russian literature and other works of art to watch (movies, movies, etc.), then the Russians and plenty of mean-spirits had such that their own relatives were torn to the last strand, not to mention strangers ... If in European Russia there was still a lot of soul and I will give the last shirt, then in Siberia there were already money-grubbers, such that they looked only and only as if to tear others out of the throat .. And losers were openly despised in material terms. Well, read there the classics of Russian literature --- there were plenty of such people in Russia --- greedy and despicable merchants (namely Russians, not Germans, Armenians and Jews), nimble swindlers who became rich and wealthy peasants ... Yes, it seems to Mamina -Siberian many such stories described.
                1. +7
                  5 January 2016 22: 00
                  : o) Can you tell me how the classics usually show such characters? And actually - who are these very classics? How did you make a living? Literature is a reflection of the views of a particular person on the surrounding reality. Who said that these views are reality itself. With the same success, my views can be presented as an indisputable reality. But these are just my views, with which you, in this case, do not agree.
              3. +10
                5 January 2016 23: 43
                Quote: Stranger
                For Russians, the main goal is peace of mind and enjoyment of life. Because there are so many indifferent and outright idlers in Russia.

                Galsworthy (English writer) said: a Westerner seeks to achieve, and a Russian seeks to comprehend. To comprehend the laws of this world, the meaning of life. I can not vouch for the verbatim quotation, for the essence - I answer. So that.
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 22: 34
                  The happiness of the Russian - real, not modern, crushed traffic rules and traffic police, which do not allow his soul to roam, turn around without fines from cameras - happiness lies in courage, flight of the soul, where money is a setting for the diamond of the soul. And most importantly in life, it’s close.
              4. +4
                6 January 2016 00: 15
                Outsider (probably described when signed) you see is not Russian, so boldly argue from the side. There are no lazy Russians. Few interested in anything specific. Lazy people would not fly into space, unlike hardworking Europe. And they did not build nuclear power plants for themselves and other countries, and there were no railway roads for thousands of kilometers. You can call a lot, I just want to make you think sometimes.
                1. +6
                  6 January 2016 06: 09
                  In vain they attacked the Outsider, and there are plenty of lazy and indifferent Russians among the Russians, it all depends on which side to consider these "vices":
                  1. Laziness - the engine of progress (laziness, kind heart and resourcefulness made Emelin stove leave the hut)
                  2. A nonsense attitude to one’s own life and health is precisely the parent of fearlessness and heroism (present in the deed of each GSS and GR).
                  1. +1
                    6 January 2016 08: 08
                    Quote: War Builder
                    1. Laziness - the engine of progress (laziness, kind heart and resourcefulness made Emelin stove leave the hut)

                    Quote: Max T.
                    There are no lazy Russians.

                    So there will be no progress? sad
                    1. +2
                      6 January 2016 11: 11
                      Quote: atalef
                      So there will be no progress?

                      Will be. Because Russia. laughing
                  2. +3
                    6 January 2016 10: 38
                    Quote: War Builder
                    there are plenty of lazy and indifferent Russians among the Russians, it all depends on which side to consider these "vices":


                    And how many cunning, mean and treacherous among other nations sitting on the neck of the Slavic people no one noticed?

                    What is worse for the people and the country: a lazy indifference or businessman (oligarch) cunning, deceitful, vile and even a scoundrel who fraudulently robbed trusting people and driven him into bondage?
                    Who has all the property now?
                    Why is it that an ordinary person can hardly pay for a communal apartment, gas, gasoline?
                2. -1
                  6 January 2016 07: 32
                  Quote: Max T.
                  There are no lazy Russians.

                  Well, of course smile - only one fabulous Emelya!
            2. 0
              5 January 2016 20: 51
              Yes, and it’s not very good at war, only sometimes it worked with the natives, and they ate those Cooks crying
            3. +8
              5 January 2016 22: 09
              Do not lie. Britons are many in mechanics, and in pure science they came up with. This is not the evil that comes from the Anglo-Saxons.
            4. +5
              6 January 2016 09: 38
              About the Wonder of the World is subtly noticed. Only the list of miracles concerned ancient civilizations. We have strained them too. Who did they fight with? Hundred Years War of Succession? With the Indians? With the Indians? All their life they have been knocking together (paying) Coalitions and waiting for the bull's-eye to fall, always ripe. By the way, they lost 2mv. See the empire at the entrance and exit.
          2. 0
            5 January 2016 21: 00
            Well said...
          3. +4
            5 January 2016 23: 03
            Good AAAH - so this is the basis of Marxism:
            - BEAT DETERMINES CONSCIOUSNESS ...
            that is, the more you beat them, the more "conscious" they become, it is not for nothing that they say:
            - for one beaten they give two not beaten ... hi
        2. -57
          5 January 2016 17: 57
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Who slanders the Leader of the Peoples, read the biography of Paulus, commander of the 6th Amy, how he and other captured generals were treated as prisoners, and this is after all the Germans' atrocities. Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.


          And it is true.

          And the truth is that if the party leaders really thought about the people they were calling for, and not about their asses in comfortable chairs, no one would scold Stalin and the USSR

          And so - it turned out what happened

          It is not clear, and here it is:

          Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.


          Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.

          So, these phrases are political chatter, like many others, with the goal of leading people away from real problems in the country.

          Really, Stalin said this in the early 40s? As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism



          1. 0
            5 January 2016 18: 24
            Quote: bulvas
            As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism

            He first made "Israel"
            The Jewish Autonomous Region was formed on May 7, 1934.
            Only now, the place I chose was not entirely successful lol If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest", and there was no need to wait for 1947, it would be a good republic. You look now, if this happened, and everything would be calm in Dill, and the round dances of friendship would still take place. wink
            1. +28
              5 January 2016 19: 40
              Quote: Serg Koma
              If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest", and there was no need to wait for 1947, it would be a good republic. You look now, if this happened, and everything would be calm in Dill, and the round dances of friendship would still take place.

              So Poroshenko, Kolomoisky and a bunch of Great Dill are not dill at all, but purebred Jews. Something is not visible round dances (Hawa Nagila) friendship between dill and Jews.
              1. -1
                6 January 2016 22: 26
                Quote: Алексей_К
                a bunch of Great Dill is not dill at all, but purebred Jews

                Imagine for at least one minute that there would be a republic (even if autonomous) of Israel within the USSR (for example, in the Odessa region, and not in our usual place). What do you think would happen there Maidan?
            2. +9
              5 January 2016 20: 06
              Quote: Serg Koma
              If somewhere on the coast of the "blackest"

              By the way, well, after all, it was planned to create it in the Crimea ...
              1. +6
                5 January 2016 22: 36
                So Israel planned to do in Crimea, and not in Palestine. Only Stalin painted the fictitious all powers, otherwise we would draw all these problems now
                1. +5
                  6 January 2016 09: 05
                  If only the Crimean peninsula were limited ....
                  According to unverified data, the strip of territory should be forgiven far north.
                  including Odessa, Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr.
                  That's when the Leader drew a "wigwam" in the Birobidzhan area
              2. +3
                6 January 2016 10: 48
                Quote: papik09
                By the way, well, after all, it was planned to create it in the Crimea ...


                It was like this, Mikoels ran around with a letter signed by Zionist friends, in which there was a request to Stalin to create their republic in Crimea ...
                Only Stalin was an intelligent man and a visionary, looking forward hundreds of years. For this he was poisoned.
                1. +2
                  6 January 2016 13: 11
                  Quote: sherp2015
                  ... Stalin was an intelligent man and a visionary, looking forward hundreds of years. For this he was poisoned.

                  Stalin's insight was tremendous, as far back as 1932, he changed machines for grain foreseeing a future war
              3. +1
                6 January 2016 13: 21
                So it was - only Stalin refused the Jews this request.
            3. +2
              6 January 2016 06: 26
              Serg Koma - a relative of Polina Pearl or Solomon Mikhoels
          2. +10
            5 January 2016 18: 35
            Google "UN General Assembly Resolution 3379", which was canceled immediately with the collapse of the USSR. Zionism is something different than what you described
          3. +20
            5 January 2016 18: 50
            Come on, otherwise bankers all over the world are all Slavs!
          4. +37
            5 January 2016 19: 31
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.

            Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR). These are only Jews. Just the Jews from Russia tried to create their promised land. Did not work out. Stalin slowly destroyed everyone.
            And that's why he voted for the creation of Israel - so there is nothing secret. Let them find their state within the historical homeland, rather than start another revolution in any European country and again lead to a civil and, possibly, to a world war.
            1. 0
              5 January 2016 23: 30
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR). These are some Jews

              C'mon, don’t hang noodles either. Straight ONE Jews, yeah. Budyonny, Dzerzhinsky, Frunze, Ordzhonikidze, Kirov, Lenin, Mikoyan, Kalinin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Antonov-Ovsienko ... Well, Lenin is also a Jew by a quarter. There was such a batch of national minorities, there are Poles, Czechs, Latvians, Georgians, Russians. Jews just cut their eyes, and there really were quite a few of them. Well, not ONLY Jews, right?
              1. +9
                6 January 2016 07: 30
                But the institute of Jewish wives was not forgotten - if the leader himself is not a Jew, then as a rule his wife is Jewish
                Lunocharsky - Natalya Alexandrovna Rosenel
                Rykov - Nina Semenovna Marshak
                Antonov-Ovsienko - Rosalia Borisovna Katsnelson
                Kirov - Maria L. Marcus
                Kalinin - Ekaterina Ivanovna Lorberg
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 16: 45
                  Quote: War Builder
                  But the institute of Jewish wives was not forgotten - if the leader himself is not a Jew, then as a rule his wife is Jewish

                  What to do, simpotki jewish smile Not every Bolshevik can stand it. True, they fade quickly and turn into thick, grumpy aunts too soon.
              2. 0
                6 January 2016 07: 42
                Quote: Alex_59
                C'mon, don’t hang noodles either. Straight ONE Jews, yeah. Budyonny, Dzerzhinsky, Frunze, Ordzhonikidze, Kirov, Lenin, Mikoyan, Kalinin, Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Antonov-Ovsienko ...

                Jews are Jews! All Jews and you are all Jews smile
                And Budyonny and Nikita
                Adored incognito
                Corn matzo
                Lamp-dartsa to their face ...

                Lenya Brezhnev, thank God,
                He also ran to the synagogue.
                Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...

                And the father of my ideas
                Karl Marx - and that Jew ...
                Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
                1. +1
                  6 January 2016 07: 58
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  Jews, Jews, Jews alone.

                  Hello Alexander.
                  Well, Ng and * how are Ukrainians? * - not already in trend?
                  Everything is back to square one laughing
                  Good morning !
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                  2. -1
                    6 January 2016 10: 25
                    Quote: Алексей_К

                    Do not hang noodles on the ears of VO readers. Look on the Internet for a list of revolutionaries in Russia (USSR).


                    Again you with your conclusions. I already suggested that you change the keyboard so as not to write any good.

                    This means that millions of leaders with party membership cards in the USSR who thought only about "party discipline", but in reality - about their asses in warm chairs, and who, as a result of their "service to the party and the people" brought the country to the 90s - that's all Jews?

                    Even if so, what role do you assign to us the Russians and other nations of the USSR and Russia in what is happening to the country - suckers who are twisted and turned by a handful of "Jews"?

                    The handful who arrived in Israel in the 90s ("climbing Mount Zion", where the term "Zionism" originated) turned the country into one of the most high-tech in the world, raising medicine to the highest level, setting a new bar for education and science.

                    So they left, but something in Russia did not get better. What, again "the machinations of Zionism"?

              3. 0
                6 January 2016 10: 50
                Quote: Alex_59
                C'mon, don’t hang noodles either.


                yes 99%
          5. +14
            5 January 2016 21: 05
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is the movement for the Jews to live in Israel



            no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

            I think no free people would want to work and fight for the interests of a foreign state?
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 07: 59
              Quote: lopvlad
              no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

              But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work? so that i know hi
              1. +2
                6 January 2016 11: 22
                Quote: atalef
                But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work?

                Do they work? belay what No, I don’t want to go to Israel then, I didn’t expect such a thing, however. You’re a cruel man, kill my bright dream of doing nothing, have fun every day and get a lot of money for it. recourse sad
                1. -1
                  6 January 2016 12: 04
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Quote: atalef
                  But the Jews of Israel in the interests of whom work?

                  Do they work? belay what No, I don’t want to go to Israel then, I didn’t expect such a thing, however. You’re a cruel man, kill my bright dream of doing nothing, have fun every day and get a lot of money for it. recourse sad



                  But this post will still receive many advantages.

                  I hope I'm wrong

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            3. -1
              6 January 2016 10: 30
              Quote: lopvlad
              Quote: bulvas
              Zionism, as far as is known, is the movement for the Jews to live in Israel



              no. Zionism is a movement for the authorities of other countries and the people to work in the interests of the Jews and Israel.

              I think no free people would want to work and fight for the interests of a foreign state?



              Before you "think", understand the essence of the question and terms

              Accustomed to blaming Russia for good and looking for enemies to justify their mistakes

          6. +11
            5 January 2016 23: 47
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, as far as is known, is a movement to ensure that Jews live in Israel and it has nothing to do with a worldwide conspiracy to gain world domination.


            Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism
            1. +8
              6 January 2016 00: 14
              "Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism"

              It's much worse. Since he was elevated to the rank of everyday natural life by the "God of the Chosen People." And they immediately try to suppress any disagreements with squeals about the unthinkable suffering of the Jewish people. Even among the terrible victims of all peoples in the Great Patriotic War, they are trying to bargain for a special place for themselves.
              And the main "roof" is not Israel, but the United States.
            2. +3
              6 January 2016 10: 52
              Quote: djqnbdjqnb
              Zionism is Jewish nationalism, it is no better than racism or fascism


              There is still Zionofascism, this is the worst evil.
          7. +3
            6 January 2016 07: 37
            Quote: bulvas
            Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 10: 32
              Quote: Bayonet
              Quote: bulvas
              Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements..



              This quote is not mine
          8. +1
            6 January 2016 10: 42
            Quote: bulvas
            Really, Stalin said this in the early 40s? As you know, he himself advocated the creation of Israel in 47, and the creation of Israel is a key event for Zionism


            He did not expect that the Zionists would throw and spit in their feeding hand
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        4. +13
          5 January 2016 18: 19
          Yes, this is not Globa for you, here the forecast is based on knowledge, intuition and experience. And then the stars, spirits, ghosts, pah devilry! stop
        5. -6
          5 January 2016 18: 24
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Leaving the USSR, Paulus said the following: I blindly submitted to the Soviet Union as an enemy, but I leave this country as a friend.

          So what? Should we unconditionally believe the captive enemy that he abruptly reeducated and fell in love with us? This chatter for loxov.
        6. -3
          5 January 2016 21: 17
          Well, yes, hundreds of thousands of "enemies of the people" were shot, but Pauls is your friend of the Soviet Union.
          1. +3
            6 January 2016 06: 21
            And why, then, 100% of Nazi collaborators were not shot? Why haven’t they shot all of Europe and the Germans? After all, Stalin loved corpses so much! Europeans are alive today, accomplices of fascism are alive. Strange however! Shoot your own, and leave your enemies life.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 13: 21
              Quote: 34 region
              And why, then, 100% of Nazi collaborators were not shot? Why haven’t they shot all of Europe and the Germans? After all, Stalin loved corpses so much! Europeans are alive today, accomplices of fascism are alive. Strange however! Shoot your own, and leave your enemies life.

              he saw no danger in them
          2. 0
            6 January 2016 12: 22
            And look what happened in France after the revolution ... Look at all the revolutions in the world, how do they end? And remember when these fiery revolutionaries of the world revolution went to prison for their crimes ...
        7. +1
          6 January 2016 10: 10
          That's what a prisoner in the Suzdal Spaso-Efimievsky monastery does with people!
        8. 0
          6 January 2016 12: 06
          The commander of the Romanian army in 1976, visited Suzdal, where he was in captivity after February 2, 1942 (the official date of the end of the Battle of Stalingrad) and kissed the "blessed land".
      3. +5
        5 January 2016 18: 36
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Pharao7766
        Missing you, really missing you ...

        Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. wink We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        Andrei, you often write clever things, but sometimes, you still want to wash your brains with "saline" ... but apparently because of my age ... so I'm probably wrong, in an old man's way ... sorry. .. I guess I know too much, I have to go ... hi
        1. 0
          5 January 2016 22: 48
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          sometimes, you still want to wash your brains with "saline" ...

          So, this .. Just sometimes joking unsuccessfully sad Damn, often because of such jokes, troubles gotten into my life. My peculiar sense of humor is to blame for his ...
      4. -103
        5 January 2016 18: 41
        Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!
        1. +56
          5 January 2016 18: 51
          Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be. Harvest precious, it will be useful to you there.
          1. -19
            5 January 2016 19: 43
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be. Harvest precious, it will be useful to you there.

            that is, as I understand it, it is not enough for a civil war?
            1. +4
              5 January 2016 21: 17
              Who spoke about the civil war? Interestingly, I have not heard this for several years. Open all sites, they are clogged with 3mv. And such things with a fifth column behind their backs do not lead. It is necessary to prepare, however, and quickly.
              1. -6
                5 January 2016 21: 55
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Who spoke about the civil war? ...

                so
                We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be.

                people may not want to go where they should go, it is now the neo-Stalinists successfully breed and agitate, and they are not sent anywhere with their different opinions
                1. +1
                  8 January 2016 07: 56
                  And who considers the liberal people? We have it less than 5%. I think for the start of a new upsurge of Siberia should be enough. Oh, oh, oh neo-Stalinists. Shortcut. Give the Idea that these 95% follow you. You can’t, then you’ll go yourself, where most will lead. With a compliment.
          2. 0
            6 January 2016 00: 25
            Respect !!!!
          3. -4
            6 January 2016 07: 46
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Well no. We do not have enough Stalin to send you where it should be.

            In !!!
            1. +2
              6 January 2016 11: 50
              Bayonet, you do not fuss. We are in Russia, slowly harnessing. For now, see Rogozin about Stalin. Do not touch the guarantor, all the same, the guarantor has no right. And think about it !!! leave your woman, this is not for ...
        2. +21
          5 January 2016 19: 21
          You are not smart! Not Stalin RUSSIA is lacking, but a firm and ruthless hand, so that every traitor, any white-collar worker knows his place, and even the filthy thoughts do not go into your head.
          1. +3
            5 January 2016 20: 51
            That is precisely what Stalin's popularity is today.
            Quote: azbukin77
            Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,
          2. 0
            6 January 2016 08: 01
            Quote: azbukin77
            Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,

            Indeed, in a fit of adoration. everyone will buy a petroleum jelly.
            1. -1
              6 January 2016 12: 28
              Quote: atalef
              Indeed

              you don’t have enough of this, every day at the borders of soldiers policemen are being cut in cities ... Palestine = terror, but there is no government for them. Recall how your soldiers, not caring for the soft-bodied authorities, crushed the hands of terrorists with stones so that they could no longer shoot. Oh, how much noise there was about this in the world. And why? Politicians have soft gloves, and soldiers have a cut belly.
            2. 0
              6 January 2016 13: 34
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: azbukin77
              Not Stalin RUSSIA is not enough, but a firm and ruthless hand,

              Indeed, in a fit of adoration. everyone will buy a petroleum jelly.

              I rarely agree with you, but yes - the mentality, "beats means loves"
        3. +4
          5 January 2016 19: 23
          And, I wonder, who is this "we are not holding you"? Are they not liberal-gendorasts?
        4. +4
          5 January 2016 20: 07
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!

          You too ... am
        5. +7
          5 January 2016 23: 29
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Everyone who lacks Stalin can go to him, we do not keep you!



          This little article, for that, and spanked - monitoring srach, we find out the percentage of "love of the population for the second-hand father of nations."
          statistics. dry numbers for advisors and specialists of the self-knowing team.
          this is an opinion. no more.
        6. +1
          5 January 2016 23: 53
          Nikolai K. Well, do you advise people that you will never do it yourself voluntarily, that is, voluntarily leave life ??? To wish people death is the most vile, think about it. I don’t put you a minus, YOU grabbed them anyway.
          1. -7
            6 January 2016 00: 12
            I don’t want anyone to voluntarily leave life, because it’s a sin. On the contrary, I really want common sense to prevail in people and they understand that to drag a person from the past into our world is just as stupid as we go to his world. Everything has its time and place.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 12: 33
              Yes, some couch army seems to me, reading comments do not delve into the essence of the comment, and are scattered by minuses and pluses, but oh well, God judge them. And I’ll advise you, Nikolai, before writing, think carefully about what you want to write about.
      5. +5
        5 January 2016 18: 41
        The great and Blessed for centuries, JV Stalin and VV Putin did not stand by!

        history reference:

        Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich (1952 -?)

        Director of the gas station of PJSC "RF" of the Vasilyeva-Serdyukov era

        Stalin (Dzhugashvili) Joseph Vissarionovich (1879 - 1953)

        SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR
        1. +19
          5 January 2016 18: 58
          Why do you need second place in GDP? Not just a leader, but the creator of a great country. Social, culture, and public safety.
          1. +20
            5 January 2016 19: 09
            Such a huge country like Russia is simply not able to maintain its sovereignty over world industrial giants - the United States, the EU and China, standing on raw rotten legs. A powerful Soviet army was based on no less powerful and self-sufficient 95% of civilian industry!
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          3. +5
            5 January 2016 19: 26
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            public safety.


            was it safe on the streets?
            Oshchepkov (the first Russian judoka) went with his students to the park to train on skirmishes with hooligans
            and this is Moscow 30 years
            1. +5
              5 January 2016 21: 46
              Dear, let's take it in order.
              I remember the street from 1960. In the city of a million people, excesses happened once a year and the whole city was buzzing. "My police took care of me," really.
              You have some kind of maximalism. After the Civil and Patriotic War there is always a surge and a very slow fading for several years. And how many trunks! As far as I know, they also undressed, there was little money and they killed, so what? This is in all countries during such periods. And now the police will not run away, you can run into the trunk. But then in the evening a policeman could stop in the street, "What's in this pocket?" And God forbid there are folds with a blade longer than 4 fingers ... But all were seized. Of course, decent adults were not stopped, attention to youngsters.
              1. 0
                5 January 2016 22: 42
                I'm talking about the times of Stalin, but rather about the 30s
                it’s not after the war
                according to the memoirs of those who lived then, the hooligan was developed, there wasn’t much calm, there were quite a lot of crimes
                1. +4
                  6 January 2016 08: 22
                  Petrof.
                  Well here again! I’m telling you, look not at the time the system was installed, but at the system itself, when it developed. In the 30s, Stalin himself did not know whether he would wake up in the morning. Trotskyists however. Interested in a bully, see 38-41gg. Narrow, well, we’re not lucky, war.
                  Stalin created the country and she continued to live quietly after him, what do you not like about the 60s? Education, healthcare, social development developed. We are talking about achievements, which is completely destroyed.
                  1. -1
                    6 January 2016 13: 37
                    Quote: Mavrikiy

                    Stalin created the country and she continued to live quietly after him, what do you not like about the 60s? Education, healthcare, social development developed. We are talking about achievements, which is completely destroyed.

                    Lenin created the country, completely lied
                    1. +1
                      6 January 2016 18: 33
                      poquello, dear!
                      You should have a bucket in the Sentsa, take a sip of cold.
                      What did Lenin create by 1923 and what did Stalin create by 1941, not enough? Then by 1953 And further, the inertia of a huge country. Compare, think, just do not rush to conclusions, otherwise it will be a stressful blow stronger than the nervous system.
                      Here Leninists settled.
                      1. +1
                        6 January 2016 23: 29
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        poquello, dear!
                        You should have a bucket in the Sentsa, take a sip of cold.
                        What did Lenin create by 1923 and what did Stalin create by 1941, not enough? Then by 1953 ...

                        I have cold vodka in my refrigerator and champagne on a table by the Christmas tree which was forbidden under Stalin.
                        What Putin created by 2016 I like it anyway, but I didn’t think of such idiocy as to say that he created the Russian Federation.

                        Merry Christmas to all! Fortunately, it is now possible.
                      2. +1
                        7 January 2016 03: 06
                        poquello
                        “I have cold vodka in my fridge and champagne on the table by the Christmas tree, which was prohibited under Stalin.
                        What Putin has created by 2016 I like it anyway better, but I didn't think of such idiocy as to say that he created the Russian Federation. "

                        Confused again. Cold from the bucket, not cold from the refrigerator!
                        And now everything is not difficult, but very difficult. Fighting religion. Banned since 1929. it is Christmas. Well, excesses on the ground, the enthusiasm of the Komsomol, the "union of atheists" it was. Another thing is that New Year has become a holiday since 1947.
                        Lenin had no time to create the country, it was necessary, from the beginning "to destroy". Finland there, Bessorabia here, and Z. Belarus with Ukraine, the Balts? Have you been to school for a long time? Take books from your son, oh yes, Wikipedia is also possible. In what year did Lenin retire? Under Lenin, only scraps of the Great Empire, which had suddenly turned into independent Soviet republics, were thrown away into the Kucha. By the way, who was there dealing with the national question? When did Lenin retire? And who sent out detachments to strangle the hydra of the counter-revolution? There was once.
                        And the fact that Putin created the Russian Federation came to your bright mind, with which I congratulate you.
                        Therefore chilly from the bucket, soon to the service.
              2. +2
                6 January 2016 00: 31
                The police will not run now, because it is less and less. No one will run soon. January-February another 10% reduction. Catch your bullies yourself. fellow
                1. +1
                  6 January 2016 01: 46
                  Quote: Max T.
                  The police will not run now, because it is less and less. No one will run soon. January-February another 10% reduction. Catch your bullies yourself. fellow

                  but the houses have nothing to do recreated
                2. +5
                  6 January 2016 10: 34
                  My young friend! And why did she have time to run!
                  In the USSR in 1990 1 policeman for 467 people.
                  In 2012, 1 policeman for 129 people.
                  Yes, everything is simple, we set up classrooms, created services, structures, and that’s not enough money. Not from the offices to cut.
        2. -1
          5 January 2016 19: 11
          I apologize! Passed by mistake! ++++
        3. -11
          5 January 2016 19: 57
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

          The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany
          1. +15
            5 January 2016 20: 16
            Do not tell the nonsense that is well-known to all schoolchildren of the USSR — Western crap in the 30s of the 20th century tried to direct Hitler’s aggression against the USSR, but didn’t want to counterbalance Germany! Therefore, there was a Munich conspiracy of 1938, therefore, they did NOT GIVE Stalin to implement the 1935 treaty of the USSR - France - Czechoslovakia on mutual military assistance, and Poland and Romania categorically refused even the flight of the USSR Air Force over their territories to Czechoslovakia.

            The USSR did not receive a cent on its industrialization - all its sources were inside the country: collectivization, the seizure of church values, etc.

            You just need to KNOW the subject of which you are going to argue.
            1. -10
              5 January 2016 22: 17
              Quote: Aleks Kruglov
              ...
              The USSR did not receive a cent on its industrialization - all its sources were inside the country: collectivization, the seizure of church values, etc.

              You just need to KNOW the subject of which you are going to argue.

              Here from this place in more detail. The total robbery of all who could make something allowed to build factories? How many factories were exported - how many were built? Capital movements, etc.? They talked about three five-year plans, but about money neither, there is no hitchhiking to communism.
              1. +4
                5 January 2016 22: 32
                All these were the internal resources of the country - no one gave external loans to the USSR either in Europe or in the USA.
                1. 0
                  5 January 2016 23: 21
                  Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                  All these were the internal resources of the country - no one gave external loans to the USSR either in Europe or in the USA.

                  I already read it from you, you see - machine tools cost money, and where are the numbers? Well, as in 3 five-year plans.
                  Hey Stalinists, well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                  1. +8
                    6 January 2016 00: 22
                    Well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                    When Hitler came to power, the trade turnover between Germany and the USSR decreased by an order of magnitude, and Germany with England, France and the United States began to grow exponentially, doubling every year. In addition, these guys forgave Hitler huge reparations, which Germany was obliged to pay a hundred years, that is, to this day. The West began to fatten Hitler in order to set him against the USSR. The only mass purchase of USSR equipment from Germany was before the war on CREDIT, which the Germans gave us for 5 years at the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, which we received in the form of machines and equipment, but were not given to the Germans.
                    1. -1
                      6 January 2016 01: 19
                      Quote: Prophetic
                      Well, help a friend, what did Hitler buy machines for ?, well, really for kulak belongings
                      When Hitler came to power, trade between Germany and the USSR decreased by an order of magnitude ...
                      ... The only mass purchase of USSR equipment from Germany was before the war on CREDIT, which the Germans were given to us for 5 years at the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, which we received in the form of machines and equipment, but were not given to the Germans.

                      Wow, thanks for the information, otherwise "where have you all gone?" CREDIT is a loan, and there were also American factories, etc. I did not give it to the account, I don’t know, trains with grain went to them until the war. And then the miracles of industrialization are direct - there are no attendants, everything is on one desire.
                      1. +6
                        6 January 2016 02: 37
                        Stalin, unlike the current liberals, tried to trade in RENEWABLE resources - grain, forest, furs, fish, and buy machines and equipment for them. And the current ones trade in non-renewable resources, but buy clothes, luxury goods and food. The grub was transferred to shit, but the debt remained.
                        They gave it to the account, I didn’t give it, I don’t know, trains with grain went to them before the war

                        Compositions with grain went just to pay for this loan, which was given for 5 years. We got their machines completely, and they managed to give them no more than 10%.
                  2. +3
                    6 January 2016 10: 58
                    poquello
                    Well, the men want to destroy the stereotypes that have been formed for decades. They taught at school, read books, again "the most important of the arts." And why, everything is clear, logical. We are against them, they are against us (I mean the bourgeoisie). What loans to a gravedigger? You will forgive me wretchedly, not just, but very simply you can listen to Kasatonov. And not only will there be questions about the miracle, there will be answers on industrialization. For what you did not understand the cons, probably for the "Stalinists". It is ugly to glue labels.
                    However, when liberalism will be plagued in the country ... I will also sign up!
                    1. 0
                      6 January 2016 14: 00
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      poquello
                      Well, the men want to destroy the stereotypes that have been formed for decades. They taught at school, read books, again "the most important of the arts." And why, everything is clear, logical. We are against them, they are against us (I mean the bourgeoisie). What loans to a gravedigger? You will forgive me wretchedly, not just, but very simply you can listen to Kasatonov. And not only questions will arise about a miracle, there will be answers on industrialization ...

                      Kasatonov is a treacher and populist.
                      1926 - Germany provided the USSR with a guarantee loan of 300 million marks for the purchase of goods.
                      1930 - An agreement with Italy on the provision of government guarantees in the amount of 200 million lire for Soviet orders placed in Italy.
                      1931 - An agreement on the placement of Soviet orders in Germany in the amount of about 300 million marks. A loan agreement with Italy on the provision by the Italian government of a guarantee loan for Italian exports to the USSR in the amount of 350 million lire.
                      1935 - Agreement on the provision by a bank consortium of the USSR trade mission in Berlin of a loan of 200 million marks.
                      1936 - Agreement on the provision by Great Britain of a loan to the USSR in the amount of up to 10 million pounds. Art.
                      1939 - Trade-credit agreement with Germany (granting to the Soviet Union a loan of 200 million marks for the purchase of German goods and the supply of Soviet goods to Germany for 2 years worth 180 million marks).
                      1940 -Loan agreement with Sweden on the provision of a loan of 100 million kroons to the Soviet Union.
                      1941 - Lend-lease loans.
          2. tao
            +1
            6 January 2016 00: 20
            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

            The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany

            Much, what have Marx and Lenin to do with it. USSR created Stalin.
            1. +1
              6 January 2016 08: 59
              Well excuse him. Emotions
              At the same time, all homework. German Marx financing efficiency as a counterweight to Germany. The second one. The effectiveness and prudence of Germany, which funded Lenin against himself.
            2. 0
              6 January 2016 22: 49
              Quote: tao
              Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
              Quote: Aleks Kruglov
              SECOND leader in the world (after the USA) for the industrial superpower GDP - USSR

              The efforts of foreign capitalists, who financed Marx and Lenin and were eager to have a counterweight to Germany

              Much, what have Marx and Lenin to do with it. USSR created Stalin.

              Marx created the idea, Lenin tried to bring it to life (by the way, it was he, not the ITT, who created the USSR-allied treaty that signed 30 December 1922 of the year, Lenin died in 1924 year), and Stalin spoiled the whole ideology and ... yes, yes, to the real Nazi (socialism with a focus on one nation) state. And the departure from ideology could not but lead to the fact that in the 1991 year, despite all the attempts to save the Union, it collapsed
              1. +2
                7 January 2016 03: 40
                "Marx created the idea, Lenin tried to bring it to life (by the way, it was he, and not the IVS, who created the USSR-union treaty was signed on December 30, 1922, Lenin died in 1924), and Stalin twisted the whole ideology and turned the country into .. .yes, yes, into a very real Nazi (socialism with an emphasis on one nation) power. And the departure from ideology could not but lead to the fact that in 1991, despite all attempts to save the Union, it collapsed "

                Another from the gorilka got burned, however the flag explains a lot.
                1. Dates seem to converge, but when Lenin retired and who was involved in the national question?
                2. What is the emphasis and which nation? Speak intelligibly. The nation did not even have its own CP, and half of the nations were not military men.
                And in general, you need to go to the podium in the Rada, they will understand and applaud, adequates.
          3. +4
            6 January 2016 08: 45
            Dry_T-50
            Well done, think right, comrade!
            I understand all the books, unconditionally, you can’t believe, but anyway, my friend, at least sometimes, look at them.
            First, answer your question, who financed Hitler and why? I suspect at first it will work out: to have a counterbalance to the USSR. What nonsense. Invest money, there and there, that is, in the oven of war. Do not despair and take up the question why did you give money to the "gravedigger of capitalism"? By the way, look at the state of Germany, its army in the 30s. And it turns out that "foreign capitalists" Hitler was not afraid. Well, there was no Germany, there was a big ruin due to everyone. Just like yours ... Oh, I'm calling.
            1. -1
              6 January 2016 23: 06
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              First, answer yourself the question, who financed Hitler and why? I suspect at first it will work out: to have a counterbalance to the USSR. What nonsense. Invest money, there and there, that is, in the oven of war. Do not despair and take up the question why did you give money to the "gravedigger of capitalism"? By the way, look at the state of Germany, its army in the 30s. And it turns out that "foreign capitalists" Hitler was not afraid

              Verno. But see for yourself: 1) give the British money to Hitler, he invests them in the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex produces equipment and sells their armies, that is, the state takes money from foreign investors for payment. At the same time, the banks lending to the military industrial complex and Hitler are growing, as if on yeast.
              2) Americans give money to Stalin, he invests them in the industry, in general, repeats the actions of Hitler
              3) Hitler and Stalin were in debt to the Americans and the British and are trying to negotiate to resist the creditors together. But there are mongrels like the Finnish government who do not allow the German-Soviet bloc to intensify and the attempts to get along are failing. The USSR and Germany are faced with their forehead
              4) Americans and Englishmen secretly sponsor enemies and sell them equipment. After it became clear which of them is longer, the landing in Normandy begins in order to prevent Stalin from subjugating Europe, and the bombing of Germany must destroy all evidence of help to the Germans. Finances that have been unwound are gradually being brought abroad along with those that may be useful in the future (we recall figures like Pinochet, they, too, have kumilis with Fritz at the end of 40's)
              5) after the victory over Germany, the hysteria against the USSR is wound, during which the proceeds are launched into the western industry, thereby reducing profits.
              6) after half a century, the Soviet Union collapses, and all the money invested in it, which has multiplied many times, is deposited in Western banks.
              Here is an algorithm for increasing your own capital. How do you?
              1. +1
                7 January 2016 13: 59
                "1) the British give money to Hitler, he invests it in the military-industrial complex. The industrial complex produces equipment and sells them to the army, that is, the state takes money from foreign investors for payment. At the same time, banks lending to the military-industrial complex and Hitler are growing by leaps and bounds."

                Trying to build a logical chain, welcome. Only there you decide on terminalology: is Hitler a state? Is the British, foreign investors, banks the same thing? When the number of actors decreases, it becomes clear, crap.
        4. 0
          5 January 2016 21: 05
          Alex Kruglov, why does your flag change in every post? Whose will you be?
          1. +3
            5 January 2016 21: 13
            citizen of the USSR and the Russian Federation
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      7. 0
        5 January 2016 19: 03
        moderator immediately delete this post with a poster that offends two leaders at once
      8. +42
        5 January 2016 19: 04
        JV Stalin made the second industrial power in the world in terms of GDP in the world, and not a despicable gas station like the filthy liberals of the past 25 years!

        http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

        The growth rates of the Soviet economy under Stalin were such that today's China cannot imagine at all!

        http://www.greatstalin.ru/articleseconomy.aspx

        under Stalin, the ruble did not depend on commodity prices and the US dollar because it was gold since March 1, 1950!

        http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html

        under Stalin, prices REDUCED, and the salaries of RUSSIA from year to year!

        None of the Leaders of Russia and the USSR, either before or after him, cared so much for simple, working people!

        http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html

        And finally, under Stalin, there was NO rotten liberalism, LGBT pederasty, prostitution, unemployment and drug addiction, homeless people!

        All the filthy liberal leaders - the pygmies since 1991 - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin and the little finger are not worth the Great and Blessed in the centuries of JV Stalin!

        After 25 years of domination of the liberal thieves trash, Russians are waiting for the second coming of Stalin more than the Jews of Mashiach!

        STALIN WITH US!

        1. 0
          5 January 2016 23: 17
          Aleks Kruglov - special thanks for the anthem! +++++ good
        2. +1
          6 January 2016 00: 41
          Alex, if not a secret, you yourself did something useful out of shit ??? There are no words for Gorbi and Benya. Only GDP understands what was transferred. Raising an army from mud is an expensive pleasure. It is difficult to maintain social programs in an attempt to redraw the economy in a reasonable manner. And do not compare with Stalin. I respect both. Only after the war did people come home more responsible and zealously fair. Currently, only scoundrels and freeloaders are sufficient. You need to learn to work, not just make money. Phew It is impossible to measure different quantities with one ruler. soldier
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      10. +10
        5 January 2016 19: 12
        I would advise that person who was preoccupied with a poster about a bastard to go and work, to earn money at least a little to begin with. These pro-Shtat holodrans are already sickened out, it doesn’t matter, ours or Ukrainian. Stalin was, it is a fact, if not for him, all the Eastern Slavs went under the knife. After 300 years, descendants will appreciate what was good and what is bad.
      11. +18
        5 January 2016 19: 18
        Feel the DIFFERENCE between the Great I.V. Stalin and V.V. Putin in the country's economy:

        1st FIVE YEAR (1928-1932)

        The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

        "In accordance with the policy of industrialization of the country, first of all, the production of means of production should be strengthened ... the growth of heavy and light industry, transport and agriculture ... The fastest pace of development should be given to those industries that raise economic power in the shortest possible time. and the defense capability of the USSR ".

        Intensive industrialization of the country began.

        A total of 1500 large industrial enterprises were built.

        National income increased almost 2 times.

        The volume of industrial production increased by more than 2 times.

        Construction of the Dneproges power station (the largest in the world).

        Metallurgical plants were built in the cities of Magnitogorsk, Lipetsk, Chelyabinsk, Novokuznetsk, Norilsk, Sverdlovsk (Uralmash).

        Tractor plants were built in the cities: Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Nizhny Tagil (Uralvagonzavod).

        Automobile factories were built: GAZ, ZIS.

        New industries appeared: tractor, automobile, aviation, machine-tool, heavy and agricultural engineering, ferrous metallurgy, and chemical.

        The second coal and metallurgical base was created - Kuzbass.

        The Turkestan-Siberian Railway was commissioned.

        Unemployment was eliminated in the country and a 7-hour working day was introduced.

        Socialist transformations of agriculture: 211 thousand collective farms, 150 thousand tractors, 2446 machine-tractor stations, 70 thousand specialists with higher and secondary education.

        Gross industrial output 3 times exceeded the level of 1913.

        The USSR came out on the 2nd place in the world in mechanical engineering, pig iron smelting and oil production and on the 3rd place in electric power production.
        1. +14
          5 January 2016 19: 20
          2st FIVE YEAR (1933-1937)

          JV Stalin, February 4, 1931: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us."

          The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

          A total of 4500 large industrial facilities were built.

          National income grew 2,1 times.

          Industrial output grew 2,2 times.

          The volume of agricultural products grew by 1,3 times.

          Highly qualified personnel were trained. Slogan: "Cadres decide everything!"

          Military factories were built, and they began to produce tanks, planes, and guns.

          Metro construction in Moscow.

          Intensive development of domestic aviation - new institutions, design bureaus, factories.

          On the ANT-25 aircraft, the crew, consisting of V. Chkalov, G. Baidukov, A. Belyakov, made a non-stop flight through the North Pole from the USSR to the USA.

          Canals were built - the White Sea-Baltic (227 km) and Moscow-Volga (128 km).

          Schools were built and opened - 3,6 thousand in cities and towns and 15 thousand in rural areas.

          456 thousand tractors, 128 thousand combines, 146 thousand cars were already working on the fields of collective farms and state farms.
          1. +14
            5 January 2016 19: 22
            3st FIVE YEAR (1938-1942)

            The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

            3000 new large industrial enterprises commissioned (until June 1941)

            Gross output of the whole industry increased by 45%, and machine building - by more than 70%.

            Hydroelectric power stations - Uglichskaya and Komsomolskaya - were commissioned.

            Metallurgical plants - Novotagilsky and Petrovsk-Zabaykalsky were built.

            Copper smelters were built - Sredneuralsky and Balkhash.

            The Ufa oil refinery was built.

            In 1940, the number of workers and employees rose to 31,2 million, compared with 11,4 million in 1928.

            The five-year plan passed during the years of expectation of the war, so the army had to constantly increase spending - 25% (1939), 34% (1940), 43,4% (1941).

            The production of new types of military equipment was mastered - T-34 medium tanks and KV heavy tanks, BM-13 rocket launchers (Katyusha), Il-2 attack aircraft (Flying Tank), Pe-2 bombers, LaGG-3 and Yak fighters. -1.



            It was not possible to finish the five-year plan, the war began.
            1. +8
              5 January 2016 19: 23
              4st FIVE YEAR (1946-1950)

              The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

              The main economic and political task of the post-war five-year plan was formulated by JV Stalin on February 9, 1946: "to restore the affected regions of the country, restore the pre-war level of industry and agriculture and then surpass this level in more or less significant proportions."



              Soviet people successfully solved this problem with their heroic work.

              Constructed new and restored 6200 large industrial enterprises.

              The metallurgical plant Zaporizhstal was restored.

              Dneproges entered into operation.

              Earned all the mines of Donbass.

              Agriculture reached the pre-war level.

              Work on the Atomic Project was progressing successfully - atomic weapons were created.
              1. +14
                5 January 2016 19: 25
                5st FIVE YEAR (1951-1955)

                Head of State - I.V. Stalin (until 05.03.53), N.S. Khrushchev.

                Over 3000 large industrial enterprises have been built.

                National income grew 71%.

                Industrial output grew by 85%.

                Agricultural output grew by 21%.

                Investments increased almost 2 times.

                Metallurgical plants were built: Transcaucasian, Cherepovets.

                New hydroelectric power stations have been commissioned (in whole or in part): Tsimlyanskaya, Gorky, Ust-Kamenogorsk.

                A nuclear power plant was built in Obninsk (the first in the world).

                A new weapon has appeared: atomic and hydrogen bombs.

                The intensive development of the oil and gas industry began.

                Coal mining growth.

                Accelerated development of engineering and instrumentation.

                The Omsk oil refinery was built.

                The Volga-Don Canal was built.

                Qualitative changes have occurred in the industry: there are 300 industries.

                The Stavropol-Moscow gas pipeline (the largest in Europe) was built.

                The growth in the number of tractors in the village from 139 thousand (1950) to 1 million (1955).

                By the end of the 50s: tractors - 1 million, combines - 500 thousand, trucks - 700 thousand

                13 million hectares of new land were put into circulation.
                1. +11
                  5 January 2016 19: 29
                  And now Putin’s epoch-making achievements in all of his 15 years of government:

                  In 2013, Russia's exports amounted to $ 527,3 billion, which is 0,5% or $ 2,5 billion more than in the previous year. At the same time, due to incomplete accounting of FCS trade within the framework of the Customs Union, Russian export data are underestimated, according to Vlanta, by about 2-3 billion dollars, mainly for deliveries to Belarus.

                  Fuel dominates in Russia's export structure. In 2013, its share was 70,6%, which became a new historical maximum. In the early 2000s. The share of fuel in Russian exports was approximately 55%, and since 2008 it has not dropped below 66%. Fuel supply in value terms also reached an absolute maximum of $ 372 billion. Metal products traditionally occupy the second place in Russian exports. In 2013, its share was 7,7% - this is the absolute minimum in the recent history of Russia (in the mid-2000s, metal products accounted for 15% of exports). At the same time, the value of metal exports in value terms in the reporting year — about $ 41 billion — was comparable to 2006. The third place in Russian exports belongs to chemical goods, their share in 2013 was 5,8%, which is 7- summer minimum. The value of exported chemicals in 2013 - about $ 31 billion - was slightly lower than the record levels of 2011-2012.

                  Since 2005, the three groups above have consistently accounted for 84–87% of Russian exports.

                  CONCLUSION: one in 12 years (1928 - 1940) built the world's second industrial superpower by GDP in the world, and the second - a gas station.
                  1. +1
                    5 January 2016 19: 40
                    Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".
                    1. +6
                      5 January 2016 19: 49
                      Quote: In search
                      Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".

                      You were not mistaken, the subconscious mind chose the correct answer, but it knows everything in advance.
                    2. +1
                      5 January 2016 20: 21
                      Quote: In search
                      Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".


                      Site not mistaken, comrade?
                    3. -2
                      5 January 2016 21: 14
                      Quote: In search
                      Aleks Kruglov NL - I gave you a "+", but for some reason it was reflected "-".


                      And this, colleague, is a classic case of juggling (I'm talking about verbose). Schizophrenia is the other way around - for schizans, the premise is wrong, then everything is logical, but for cheaters, on the contrary, they started for health, and then fucking up wattle, maybe these stupid Russian sheep in letters will get confused. And so the picture stands before his eyes - Putin does not sleep and thinks how to steal something else from the Russian People for the sake of an extra column. So the minus is quite logical - nature, it is fair, it makes adjustments of its own accord.
                  2. +13
                    5 January 2016 20: 20
                    I always knew that Western grant-eaters and liberalism, under good intentions, would push their own, like a prude, wherever possible, in the media, show business, movies, TV, and the Internet, even more so, and the endless steppe. First, they fought with Stalin on the forums, proving with foam at the mouth that he was a villain and murderer - the same as Hitler, only in a red guise. When they realized that this "does not work," they began to "strangle" Putin against his background. Troll thickly. Wrong site. A true patriot always knows that the entire liberal rag-tag is still in power, and all their dirty deeds are smeared on Putin, as it was during Stalin's time, even though he could shoot outright traitors, Putin has not yet such untied hands, but only for now.
                    And yet, how much was Stalin in power, and how much Putin? Does he have time until 2025? also where would the Russians not come to power in 2000m Putin? I tell you, would be the slaves of Khodorkovsky, who would sell power over all the country's oil to the hands of the Americans, people would remain poor as then, no increase in salaries and vacations abroad, except for majors, Chechnya, Dagestan and Kazan and the Far East, Siberians would separate , there would be such chaos and civil as outside Ukraine, the abolition of all benefits and pensions, the increase in communal services, Russia would be a poor country, and it would come to all kind of needles and smoke.
                    1. -1
                      6 January 2016 00: 33
                      And it should be noted that at the same time V.V. did not shoot your own people in batches, you liberast, or homosexual .... So, especially gifted, lovers of "iron grip", look for enemies outside of Russia, or brotherly blood have not yet sipped?
                      1. MrK
                        +4
                        6 January 2016 11: 04
                        Quote: combat66
                        So, especially gifted, lovers of "iron grip", look for enemies outside of Russia, or have not enough brotherly blood?

                        And their own, robbed the Russian people, kiss in a hick or what?
                      2. -1
                        6 January 2016 12: 48
                        But this is a question of a different order.
                        "A thief should sit in jail!"
                        So, prove and plant!
                        And to slap a person is a matter of seconds.
                        The question is methods of proof and preventive measures. Otherwise, gentlemen and comrades, we will soak both right and not right, but in essence our own people. But, it will not solve the problem with theft ..... Sincerely .... winked
                      3. 0
                        6 January 2016 23: 48
                        You can shatter the population even without executions. What the Zionists did during ebony.
                        Lost the population for more than the whole WWII.
                        Alkashization, drug addiction and debilitation of the country are continuing at no less shocking pace.
                        The "educational" system turns our children into imbeciles-degenerates by pouring into their brains a mess of monstrous lies!
                        This is evidently in order not to lag behind the Western "partners".
                  3. +4
                    5 January 2016 21: 12
                    It’s just that the GDP understands that now we will not take money for reforms anywhere except from oil and gas exports ..... Not Putin has destroyed the economy since the end of the 80s for 2 years ... it is strange that you do not understand this .... .Yes by the way ...... here I am ready to argue that you are not riding a Lada? Support the domestic manufacturer cheers patriot you are our industrial!
                    1. +3
                      5 January 2016 22: 47
                      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
                      It’s just that the GDP understands that now we will not take money for reforms anywhere except from oil and gas exports ..... Not Putin has destroyed the economy since the end of the 80s for 2 years ... it is strange that you do not understand this .... .Yes by the way ...... here I am ready to argue that you are not riding a Lada? Support the domestic manufacturer cheers patriot you are our industrial!


                      ABOUT ! Imagine that Putin was tasked with curators in 2000 to destroy the Russian economy. Well, he’s insidious, instead of just stupidly drowning her (and so didn’t breathe almost), he doesn’t begin resuscitation, for what, one wonders? This is probably to mislead the mighty liberals, so that there would be something to remember for those wretched at the dump, how they almost won the Regime, and about the thirty that the State Department had not forgotten. Ugh, damn it, E2-E4. It is especially touching as all this abomination with mournful appearance broadcasts nonsense on TV live and says, they say, they’ll cut it all the same. But they are not cut out, they are shown without cuts. Show nails, show their nails, haven’t cut them for 10 years already, they are chewing ...
                  4. 0
                    5 January 2016 23: 13
                    After 90 x .... You can throw this crap on NOT wassat ZALEZHENYU.Tam swallow ... hi
                  5. -2
                    6 January 2016 01: 00
                    Well this is how much you dragged a stranger here, I look from different sites. And I looked for pictures, and texts, I would have understood what you were humming about.
                  6. -7
                    6 January 2016 02: 20
                    Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                    CONCLUSION: one in 12 years (1928 - 1940) built the world's second industrial superpower by GDP in the world, and the second - a gas station.

                    And the third - the provocateur Aleks Kruglov at this time sits and knocks on the buttons, instead of raising the country.
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                  1. +2
                    5 January 2016 19: 47
                    Listen to Aleks Kruglov, don’t put pressure on emotions and do not compare the terrible time Russia suffered after the revolution provoked by world oligarchs when almost the whole world took up arms against the country and that perestroika that drove us deep into the swamp and nobody else loves her softly like you ( and not as hard as Stalin) pulls and puts on his feet.
                    Do not compare times and epochs, they are different and, accordingly, the methods are different.
                    You are either a liberal propagandist or a stupid overpatriot (fan) who is used against Russia, and you don’t even notice it.
                    It would be better to be silent as a patriot, and not make a comparison between the ages and the leaders of the positive plan as a liberal.
                    And it may turn out that the Cossack, then mishandled.
                    1. +19
                      5 January 2016 20: 21
                      Iroquois! Why can't you compare times? Then there was a devastation and a country in the ring of sanctions. And they lifted the country! Today inherited a rich inheritance and the pace of zero! Do not be offended? Why is Putin pulling the country? I won’t look at him; he constantly brow. Come help, invest and build! Honestly, it's disgusting to look at this begging. Why should someone do something to us? Are we disabled? Well, Putin does not have a slogan: Nobody but us! Well, at least kill no. There is a slogan: Someone! Do something! And that’s it! Constant appeals to citizens for private business. Our state does not want to do anything at all. Guys, you do something there, and we will take taxes from you. For the time being, I see only such a dialogue of leadership with the people. The leadership itself does not want to do anything. And the crisis is to blame for all their troubles. But what does the leadership do to prevent crisis phenomena? Do we have a development strategy for the country? Questions are resolved only upon receipt.
                      1. -10
                        5 January 2016 20: 42
                        Quote: Region 34
                        Our state does not want to do anything at all.

                        This alone suggests that you, my friend, do not know anything at all or simply do not want to know, because you are biased in your opinion and do not want to change it, but it will honestly tell you the wrong one.
                        After all, the state is not only the GDP and its team with the same liberal or non-liberal ministers and helpers in the districts and regions - it is also the whole motley people that are part of Russia and think that the GDP will do everything for you and will catch any seller if he hung you in your local market will be wrong. GDP is in the capital above, and you, on the ground in the outback, should be willing to do their job and not complain.
                        And then, after all, to what it comes to the grandmother sitting on the bench, and the girl walks past in a miniskirt and the grandmothers begin to criticize the GDP like "Where is Putin looking."
                        Or you need to bring everything on a platter and do everything for you. Do you also need to chew?
                    2. +13
                      5 January 2016 20: 24
                      Why don't "compare"? That our environment is now less hostile than the one in which the USSR was in the 20s and 30s? Or is there no threat of a major world war now as then?

                      Or the words of the Great in the centuries of I.V. Stalin have lost relevance today:

                      JV Stalin, November 19, 1928: "It is necessary to catch up and overtake the developed capitalist countries. Either we will achieve this, or they will overtake us."

                      I.V. Stalin, February 4, 1931:
                      "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We have to cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we will be crushed."

                      The head of state is I.V. Stalin.

                      "In accordance with the policy of industrialization of the country, first of all, the production of means of production should be strengthened ... the growth of heavy and light industry, transport and agriculture ... The fastest pace of development should be given to those industries that raise economic power in the shortest possible time. and the defense capability of the USSR ".

                      WHY do we not hear these words from Putin now, but only the idiocy of his liberal ministers: "We must wait for the rise in oil prices" ?!
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2016 21: 23
                        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                        Why don't "compare"? That our environment is now less hostile than the one in which the USSR was in the 20s and 30s? Or is there no threat of a major world war now as then?

                        You are right different conditions.
                        After bleeding the population of Russia (the revolution itself and the civil war, and even the First World War) and destroying an economy that was faster than the leading countries of that time (England, France or Germany) in order to survive, it simply needed barbaric and cruel methods. Do not forget that Comrade Trotsky was just a Cossack mishandled like Lenin and Sverdlov and many others from that elite and they were not really planning to build and rebuild, but rather worked to the west, but supposedly under the slogans of a new life and a new world.
                        So from the beginning, Stalin fought for power with these Cossacks, and then heads flew left and right just for power so that one team was formed so that the sticks were not inserted into the wheels and at that time there were no special economic successes.
                        And only after Trotsky (very influential in the West) was expelled (mind you could just kill) without daring to touch, and the main construction began. The West, seeing such matters, imposed an embargo on all imports to the USSR and even gold that seemed to be a world currency was not accepted as payment from the USSR, which exacerbated pressure on the country, but made a tricky move, requiring wheat as a currency. So the answer is not the famine and the genocide that Stalin and his team allegedly carried out, but it turned out that the surpluses were taken out (namely, the surpluses, and who thinks that it was intentionally for hunger, it’s the old anti-Stalinist cadre so balamuly against the supposedly tyrant Stalin). And why exactly wheat, because in Russia bread has always been a staple at any time, and this is the holy of holies that the Westerners encroached on in order to cause unrest and rebellion among the peasants.
                        Well, let’s continue and for industrialization we needed exactly wheat for the purchase of machine tools, machines, automobiles and so on. And do not forget that against us also Germany payments were made for allegedly losing in the First World War (how tricky it was all done). From Russia at that time everything was pulled and drained as they could.
                        Well, what could Stalin do? It is correct to come up with the initiative and slogans like "If we cannot buy, then we will do it ourselves, that is, we will catch up and overtake." Everything is logical and here you can't argue if you can't buy it, then we'll do it ourselves, but oh, how it was necessary urgently and immediately so that times were inclined to war and therefore everything was quick, clumsy, hastily, but our own and this pace gave us the opportunity to cope with Fascist Germany. And the price for this was great human losses, nerves and almost slavish conditions of survival (yes, it was slave because there was no other way).
                      2. 0
                        5 January 2016 21: 24
                        Read more.

                        So what nowadays for comparison if you want this?
                        - Industry collapsed not GDP
                        - Stanko / auto industry did not collapse GDP
                        - There is a currency (gas, oil and other resources)
                        - The Third World War, if it is planned, is not a war
                        - There are no harsh working conditions (which is, oddly enough)
                        - the victims of the struggle for power are not visible (although there was a putsch in Moscow, but this is a trifle compared to the great revolution)
                        - Yes, the struggle for power was already in the past, but it is also in the present, that is, liberals must be removed and true patriots must be put in place, and with this it’s hard not to be hard in our time only stroking and sending out the door gently
                        - yes there are sanctions, but they are precisely our new industrialization (if we take it according to Stalin) and raising the economy
                        - If we compare Stalin and GDP, then only from this reign of his, well, a little to Medvedev.

                        That's why we will see what happens next, and then it will be better and harder, but you will still think that this is not enough because you just forget what happened in the past and what happened now. The comparison line is lost and blurred.
                        Learn to compare adequately and impartially taking all sides of the comparison, and not just those that are beneficial to you.
                        Good luck.
                      3. +3
                        5 January 2016 21: 44
                        However, your arguments are strange, blocking the indisputable sitting of GDP ALL 15 YEARS ON THE PIPE ...

                        I will answer you MIRRORLY:

                        it was not JV Stalin who destroyed the Russian Empire — liberals Guchkov and Kerensky, as always, did this.

                        it was not JV Stalin who started the civil war and war communism — this was done by Lenin (Blank).

                        It is not JV Stalin who is to blame for the fact that he was left with an agrarian backward country that had to be urgently industrialized.

                        And do not use the typical methods of Putinists at all - do not substitute theses in the dispute.

                        I’m not talking about what I didn’t write before Stalin and Putin, but about what they both PERSONALLY did for their 12 (1928 - 1940) and 15 (2000 - 2015) years of sole rule under almost equal starting conditions!
                      4. -2
                        6 January 2016 00: 03
                        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                        I’m not talking about what I didn’t write before Stalin and Putin, but about what they both PERSONALLY did for their 12 (1928 - 1940) and 15 (2000 - 2015) years of sole rule under almost equal starting conditions!

                        Dear, well, you are being cunning, and you are not setting the dates for merit.
                        Well, according to Stalin, for example, he, like the Cossacks, was a revolutionary, and he didn’t strengthen Russia, but to put it mildly, and only when the power passed to Sverdlov, Trotsky and Lenin (in order of importance in the revolution of the first times) he began to go out from under the shadows to the top. Further, the struggle for power was won by the Leninists against Sverdlov-Trotsky, but Stalin was not Leninist, but only went to Leninism in the fight against the Trotskyists, and the Tsarist regime and the Comrade ruined. Kerensky, with his destructive laws and on a platter, handed over the management of power to the Revolutionaries.
                        For his 12 years, Stalin had already had his hands untied and the white painters (well, such as the opposition) were already in the deep underground and Stalin could safely carry out any reforms.
                        Yeah, but in your GDP since 2000, you had full power and did what you wanted? Do you also confirm this by looking impartially or again disingenuous? During these years, the squeezing of pro-Western managers and advisers from power began slowly (right now, in Ukraine, the SBU, the Banks and all power were in the west, and if an intelligent president comes to them right now, then he will not have enough time to change the composition of the government without blood ) and the economy was not discussed, especially since it was not one person who ruled the economy, but the ministries, the structures of the oligarchs that appeared, and so on, and they did what they wanted and hell, which you would do even as president. This is not a saber wave in the civilian.
                        If you don’t see the shifts, then recall:
                        - from the beginning, the oligarchs for some reason began to leave Russia, they planted someone, they did not touch the loyal
                        - gradually, oil profits somehow began to fall into the budget
                        - feuds at the borders ceased
                        - the former team of Yeltsinists is greatly thinned out of power (we don’t touch Chubais even though he made a lot of it, but there is probably some kind of agreement with the main liberal on temporary neutrality).
                        - It’s hard not to act at this time because, as I wrote at the wrong time, they will understand incorrectly in our consumer age.

                        Then the change of president (4 years so-so flew by) and here again the GDP.
                        and what do we see?
                        I won’t speak. One of his ratings for himself will say everything both domestically and in the world, and this is very serious, and it is from this time that you begin the countdown of his actions.
                        All. Point
                      5. 0
                        6 January 2016 01: 30
                        Alex confuse the numbers or are you stealing them from other sites in this form? Anyway. To begin with, from the beginning of VOSR, Stalin participated in it and not as a janitor, and this is the year since 1912 and what should have been understood. At the beginning of the 1st MV Russia was also a leader in agriculture. and in heavy industry, and the development and mining of minerals. The Russian Empire, along with the United States, occupied a dominant position in world agriculture. This is especially evident in the example of grain crops: in the first 14 years of the 15th century, the sown area increased by 10%, grain yield by 20%, and grain harvest per capita by more than 5637%. Gross grain harvest - 92,5 million poods (1 million tons) - 1 place in the world (half the world rye crop, second place in wheat harvest), as well as 647,8 place in grain export - 10 million poods (610 651 thousand were exported) tons) of cereals. The total volume of grain exports amounted to 1 million rubles. 77576st place in the production and export of butter - exported 1906 tons of butter; Vologda oil is becoming a global brand, and “Siberian” oil was actively consumed by the European aristocracy. In the period 1914-6, industry on average grows by 1887% per year. On the whole, over the period 1913–4,6, industrial production in Russia increased 1900 times, and the country ranks fourth and fifth in the world in terms of the absolute sizes of iron ore mining and smelting of coal and steel. With the start of exploitation of the Baku oil and gas region, Russia in 3,4 even reached the first place in the world in oil production. Russia's share in world industrial production increases from 1881% in 5,3 to 1913% in XNUMX.

                        In terms of total industrial production, it ranks 5-6th in the world, catching up with France, and even surpassing it in several respects. After the crisis of 1899 (1900) - 1903 and the ensuing depression ended, Russia increased industrial production by one and a half times in 1909-1913, with heavy industry growing at a faster pace - 174,5% versus 137,7% for light. And this is a backward country. And it was not liberalists who ruined the country alone, other parties also helped. How can it be without strikes in factories and other significant for the development of the state. Remember yourself whom the communists in the old films cherished: workers, students, railroad workers. These are the most. But there are city-forming enterprises. The people and the mustache were agitated there, the process stood up. Then the soldiers paused: the officer is eating, we do not want to fight. and there is no army. And after all, scum with slogans. Do not forget about the war with everyone: with the Entente in the west, with Japan in the east. But all different party crap destroyed the army with verbiage. And you, too, stop doing verbiage like liberals. Idle talk. What you wrote above is not the answer. This is someone's stolen text. No more.
                      6. -1
                        6 January 2016 06: 44
                        Max T! The picture is beautiful. Did the Russians produce Baku oil? And the owners of the factories of whose countries were? And Nikolai whom he invited to his parties? Who was at the top of the guest list? Russian surnames? High growth! If it was zero and suddenly one, then the growth is 100%. If there was a unit and the second appeared, then growth is 100%. Your statistics are complete nonsense. More precisely, juggling.
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                      8. +2
                        6 January 2016 02: 23
                        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                        Why don't "compare"?

                        Because then the Zionists were removed from power, and now they have made victims, although in reality the victim is the Russian people.
                    3. MrK
                      +6
                      6 January 2016 11: 13
                      Quote: Irokez
                      and no one else but GDP like you dislikes it gently (and not harshly like Stalin) pulls it and puts it on its feet.


                      I will list a small fraction of how Putin puts the Russian economy on its feet slowly but inevitably:
                      Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
                      Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
                      Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
                      Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
                      Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
                      Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
                      Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
                      Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
                      Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
                      Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
                      Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
                      Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (born in 1947 - killed in 2009);
                      Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (born in 1938 - killed in 2009);
                      The second Moscow watch factory "Glory" (born in 1924 - killed in 2006);
                      Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (born in 1941– killed in 2010);
                      Plant "Stankomash" (Chelyabinsk) (born in 1935 - killed in 2009);
                      Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (born in 1949 - killed in 2008);
                      Kronstadt Marine Plant (born in 1858 - killed in 2005);
                      Kuzbasselement Plant (born in 1942 - killed in 2008);
                      Irkutsk Radio Plant (born in 1945 - killed in 2007);
                      Precision casting plant "Centrolit" (Lipetsk) (born in 1963 - killed in 2009);
                      Tomsk Instrument Plant (born in 1961 - killed in 2007);
                      Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1970 - killed in 2004);
                      Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (born in 1952 - killed in 2003);
                      Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);
                      Orenburg Hardware Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
                      Khabarovsk factory "EVGO" (born in 2000 - killed in 2009);
                      Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (born in 1959 - killed in 2003);
                      Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1952 - killed in 2008);
                      Orenburg Silk Fabric Combine (born in 1972 - killed in 2004);
                      Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (born in 1825 - killed in 2005);
                      Flax Association them. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (born in 1939 - killed in 2011);
                      Far Eastern Radio Plant (born in 1993 - killed in 2009);
                      Bicycle factory (Yoshkar-Ola) (born in 1950 - killed in 2006);
                      Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (born in 1940 - killed in 2007);
                      Perm Bicycle Plant (born in 1939 - killed in 2006);
                      Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011);
                      Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1941 - killed in 2011);
                      Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (born in 1931 - killed in 2010);
                      Irkutsk driveshaft plant (born in 1974 - killed in 2004);
                      Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (born in 1807 - killed in 2012) ...
                      ...and even more than 70 thousand (!) factories and factories that died in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders under the leadership of the sun.
                      From the book of Alexander Kurlandchik “Damned Soviet Power” ... on Prose. RU.
                      1. +1
                        6 January 2016 12: 54
                        And did you try to make a list of what was created during the "time of the sun"? Try, there is a reason not to panic.
                        By the way, any business (the same factories - a business) has its own life cycle ....
                        What died is dead!
                        Look for what is born. smile
                      2. +2
                        7 January 2016 04: 09
                        combat66
                        "By the way, any business (the same factories - business) has its own life cycle .... What has died, has died"

                        Yes Yes. How deep and true it is. And so comes "Ford", "Caterpillar", "Boeing". Or maybe they live well, because they have cleared the area (trading) for them?
                        By the way, the list (-) is presented, present as a defender (+), well, very curious. But the result is known in advance. Factory (-) 30 to the street, screwdriver assembly factory (+) 000 to the machine and the achievements are equal to the losses.
                      3. -2
                        6 January 2016 15: 19
                        Quote: mrark
                        From the book of Alexander Kurlyandchik “Damned Soviet Power”

                        And you also curse the Soviet government, or already Russia? Read less books of an emotional nature showing only negative and nothing more.
                        You want to say that in the USSR it was only being built and nothing was being destroyed or was reoriented to other directions?
                        In a market economy (well, the semblance of a market can be said) Russia did not push Russia into GDP, but those who ask before it also do not collapse, and what collapsed even with GDP (although Medvedev ruled in 2008-2012) is a consequence of past reformers ( -There are new owners of parasitic reformers) because not all drowning people can be saved, and sometimes they don’t need to be saved, because their products are simply not in demand or simply as old as the world. Keep this in mind, but the defense backbone has remained incomplete, and a civilization called Russia has not perished, and this is the main thing.
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        3. -17
          5 January 2016 20: 20
          just don't forget about the price - 10-15 million lives of dispossessed peasants!
          1. +6
            5 January 2016 22: 20
            During the reign of Vladimir Putin from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2013, over 14 more people died than were born in 7484458 years.http://maxpark.com/user/3121148154/content/854815
            What is hepatitis C called?
          2. +8
            5 January 2016 23: 39
            Weyland - and who now counts millions of unborn children - huh? And who will count the millions of dead from simple, easily treatable diseases? Yes, just look at the statistics (official) - in 2015, the number of SUICIDES even exceeded the number of car accident victims and suicides of more than 20 thousand per year ... think about it - two divisions at all ... yourself, from despair - and you here on the site you polish parquet language:
            "all is well beautiful marquise ..." so what?
            There are no fools here, even roll over your head, and under Stalin, despite the complete devastation after Gr. wars and catastrophic losses in the Second World War - the USSR was the second economy in the world, and the Russian Federation - the 10th, while still in 24 years the RF GDP has not reached the level of the RSFSR GDP - in -a business executives, in "talents" ... only a blind person does not see this, or a scoundrel - you do not have a wide choice ... request
            1. 0
              5 January 2016 23: 49
              I do not hide my opinion about Stalin and in this thread I have already unsubscribed that I agree with the assessment that Mao gave him: "70% of achievements, 30% of errors"!
              1. +3
                6 January 2016 06: 48
                He who does nothing has zero percent error. Can you give an example with zero percent error?
                1. -1
                  6 January 2016 11: 44
                  Quote: Region 34
                  Can you give an example with zero percent error?


                  If the Bible already says that the Lord repented of the fact that he led the Jews out of Egypt, it seems to hint that even the Lord is mistaken.
                  And Mao’s formula is good in that it recognizes Stalin’s undoubted and numerous merits, but at the same time allows these errors correct - otherwise the stubborn Stalinists, who threw minuses to me, are ready to step on the same rake, referring to the authority of Stalin!
                  Immediately I remember Stalin's "love death wins! "and the subsequent" fools, this is a mistake! "
                2. 0
                  6 January 2016 11: 44
                  Quote: Region 34
                  Can you give an example with zero percent error?


                  If the Bible already says that the Lord repented of the fact that he led the Jews out of Egypt, it seems to hint that even the Lord is mistaken.
                  And Mao’s formula is good in that it recognizes Stalin’s undoubted and numerous merits, but at the same time allows these errors correct - otherwise the stubborn Stalinists, who threw minuses to me, are ready to step on the same rake, referring to the authority of Stalin!
                  Immediately I remember Stalin's "love death wins! "and the subsequent" fools, this is a mistake! "
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        4. +5
          5 January 2016 21: 05
          How can you compare the incomparable? ..... Stalin, Putin ... = Two different eras. different conditions ...... With all due respect ... the rate of growth .... Do you remember all the shock-Komsomol construction projects .... etc. Who worked for them ...... Belomorkanal ...... for example ... but more modern BAM, Volzhskaya HPP named after Lenin? ..Yes, we still have people who remember how it (the hydroelectric power station) was built and who in its bulk ... and where their barracks were located .... So, now such a rate of development cannot be in vain !! And these comrades did not work for 7 hours ... So that we will be completely honest and not deceive ourselves and others ... I will not say anything about collectivization at all ... no matter what correct slogans it is called ... we are still unraveling. ..and the "Holodomor" of Ukraine and famine in the Volga region, in the North Caucasus ... all from there ...... So that Putin cannot currently arrange Stalin's five-year plans ...... Or do you agree to wave a pick ... So go ahead!
        5. +3
          5 January 2016 21: 26
          For your information, by the 1928 year, the USSR did not even reach the imperial 1913 year in terms of smelting pig iron.
        6. 0
          6 January 2016 02: 17
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          The USSR came out on the 2nd place in the world in mechanical engineering, pig iron smelting and oil production and on the 3rd place in electric power production.

          Forgot to add that people worked on enthusiasm and for workdays, but are you ready to work for workdays? Refuse modern goods?
          1. +5
            6 January 2016 06: 58
            No one calls for shod bast shoes. The distant past: 1998, the crisis is more beautiful than today. Two people, Primakov and Gerashchenko, pulled the country out of the swamp. For 8 months, industry grew by 20%, but then they left. So, what to invent it’s not necessary, everything was already and not so long ago. Just take and use. The natural question arises: why do not they take it?
      12. 0
        5 January 2016 20: 26
        If appears at all. It's a pity!
      13. -2
        5 January 2016 21: 00
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Pharao7766
        Missing you, really missing you ...

        Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. wink We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        Putin is working, but this freak in the photo is either a specific loser or just a sucker who blames anyone but his own self for blame, judging by his age, he did not live under Stalin, and how can he judge that time?
      14. 0
        5 January 2016 22: 02
        I want to believe that this is so. Although there are many doubts. But the leaders of the scale of Stalin in our country were no longer there, no matter how you look deep into the ages. There were great ones - Ivan the Terrible, for example, his father. But there were more gray and insignificant ones. But it is a pity that our people and our country are worthy of a new Stalin in the new time. Such a person may also appear.
        1. -3
          5 January 2016 22: 09
          Quote: NordUral
          But it is a pity that our people and our country are worthy of a new Stalin in the new time.

          No, thanks.
      15. +4
        6 January 2016 08: 11
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        we now have a light option

        And the commissars of his light. And the economy.
      16. 0
        6 January 2016 08: 35
        So "bastard" is the signature of the author. A bit strange :)
      17. 0
        6 January 2016 10: 46
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Well, we now have a light version of Stalin. I strongly disagree with the last word in the poster, and so, in general, it is true. We have no other Stalin, and probably will not appear soon.

        If Putin were Stalin, then the Ukrainian problem would no longer exist, as would the Ruin itself. laughing IMHO.
      18. +4
        6 January 2016 11: 22
        Quote: Pharao7766
        Missing you, really missing you ...

        Very, very lacking ...

        Quote: V.V. Karpov. Generalissimo
        “The result of the repressions carried out by Stalin was not only the defeat of Trotskyism and all kinds of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian blocs and oppositions - the main victory of Stalin, historically strategic in scale, is actually the defeat of Zionism on the territory of the Soviet Union. Having won the victory over Zionism, Stalin thereby saved the peoples who inhabited the Soviet Union from enslavement no less dangerous than the Nazi invasion. If the victory in the "political war" of the 20-30s. won by the Trotskyists, the course of history in our country would immediately take the form of true enslavement and extermination of the indigenous population, like what is happening now, starting from the 90s, in our country ”


      19. +2
        6 January 2016 14: 49
        History

        Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich (1952 -?)

        director of the gas station of PJSC "RF" of the era of Vasilyeva - Serdyukov.

        Stalin (Dzhugashvili) Joseph Vissarionovich (1879 - 1953)

        The leader of the SECOND in the world in GDP (after the USA) of the industrial superpower of the USSR.

        HOW can I compare them?

        Feel (those) THE DIFFERENCE of their economic policy:

        Great Stalin:

        http://www.greatstalin.ru/articleseconomy.aspx

        http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

        http://igpr.ru/articles/razvitie_sssr_pri_staline

        http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html

        http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html

        http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html

        And here are V. Putin's "epoch-making achievements" for all his 15 years of rule - a gas station of the Russian Federation:

        http://www.vlant-consult.ru/information/board/430
        1. 0
          6 January 2016 23: 21
          Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
          And here are V. Putin's "epoch-making achievements" for all his 15 years of rule - a gas station of the Russian Federation:

          Well, under Stalin, too, they were driving raw materials abroad — wood there, grain. Look at your leisure time diagram of the composition of Russia's GDP for the 2013,2014 and 2015 years, and compare it with the 1996,1998,2000,2002 and 2004 indicators.
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      21. +2
        6 January 2016 14: 56
        and under Putin there is this?

      22. 0
        6 January 2016 15: 05
        Under Stalin, alcohol consumption was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1,9 liters per day of pure alcohol per year - 1952) than in tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 liters. and more than 10 times less than now under Putin (20-25 liters). Under Putin, Russia is the leader in child alcoholism.
        Drug addiction under Stalin was not, because there was no drug mafia. Over 20 years, the number of drug addicts has increased by more than 10 times and now, according to the Federal Service for Drug Control of the Russian Federation, it is 5,1 million people. From drug use, every year from 70 to 100 thousand people die. Russia is one of the leaders in the scale of child addiction.

        Under Putin, many times seen on Red Square is this?

        1. +1
          6 January 2016 15: 46
          Wow, how quickly you change your nickname was "Aleks Kruglov", and by now "Al Gen Kruglov". Want to seem more Russian and in a hurry in Russian wrote something incomprehensible.
          And the avatar I don’t understand is a man or a woman, but whoever a liberal is anyway smacks of, although you write some patriotic posts, but out of place and kindle it for the sake of showing off and emotions.
          The censor will definitely appreciate you.
          1. 0
            8 January 2016 16: 30
            Quote: Irokez
            Wow, how quickly you change your nickname was "Aleks Kruglov", and by now "Al Gen Kruglov".

            The many-sided anus was exposed. laughing
        2. 0
          8 January 2016 16: 29
          Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
          Under Stalin, alcohol consumption was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1,9 liters per day of pure alcohol per year - 1952) than in tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 liters. and more than 10 times less than now under Putin (20-25 liters).

          Did Tefft tell you this? laughing
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      24. +3
        6 January 2016 18: 40
        Well, suppose Putin is far from the Generalissimo.
      25. 0
        7 January 2016 13: 04
        Well, it's not even a very, very light option.
        Honestly, I wouldn’t even compare
        Such people as Stalin's history, alas, are not rich.
        DO NOT COMPARE INCOMPARABLE!
        If it were a "light option", he would at least recognize the merits of the "hard option"!
      26. 0
        7 January 2016 14: 26
        More Putin then can be without Stalin!
    2. +81
      5 January 2016 17: 12
      Surprised by the geeks who know how to read the article in one minute. feel

      To tell you the truth, I have not heard anything about this interview before, but I definitely know another phrase of Stalin: A pile of garbage is being thrown on my grave, but the wind of history will dispel it.

      Unfortunately, such people come to the top, God forbid, once every 100 years, but the main thing is that recently many people began to realize the contribution of Stalin. I remember how back in the early XNUMXs, everyone shouted about the tyranny of Stalin, but history still heals people ..
      1. -137
        5 January 2016 17: 30
        And reading the article to a faithful Stalinist is not necessary. The main thing is to be the first to inherit the empty phrase in the comments. I saw the holy profile - and in ecstasy. And do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood, all the same - the great one.
        1. +66
          5 January 2016 17: 38
          Quote: Sharapov
          do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

          Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.
          1. -71
            5 January 2016 17: 43
            the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

            great warlords commanded yes

            I am killed under Rzhev,
            In a nameless swamp ....
            1. +27
              5 January 2016 17: 57
              Quote: Petrof
              the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

              USSR 433037, Germany ~ 330000. Only 1.3 times more. It’s not bad for an offensive ...
              1. +10
                5 January 2016 18: 07
                EvgNik
                Quote: Sharapov
                do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

                Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.
                Yeah, Sharapov! Well, you said!
                In this regard, for an unbiased and scientifically sound understanding of the essence of this problem and what is happening today, I advise you to read Nikolai Starikov’s new book “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 c .: ill. Everything is explained in great detail there.
                I would give the State Prize to N. Starikov for this book. A worthy thing for understanding the national security of Russia.
                1. +1
                  5 January 2016 18: 45
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov, “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 pp., ill.

                  Thanks for the info. hi
                  1. +15
                    5 January 2016 20: 12
                    Petrof
                    great warlords commanded yes
                    I am killed under Rzhev,
                    In an unnamed swamp,
                    So generally can not be compared.

                    Alexander Twardowski “I was killed under Rzhev”
                    I am killed under Rzhev,
                    In an unnamed swamp,
                    In the fifth company,
                    On the left,
                    With a cruel raid.
                    I did not hear a break
                    And did not see that flash, -
                    Exactly in the abyss from the cliff -
                    And neither the bottom nor the tire.
                    (...)
                    The front burned, not abating,
                    As on the body of the scar.
                    I am killed and do not know -
                    Is our Rzhev finally?
                    (...)
                    No, it's not true! Tasks
                    Toy did not win the enemy.
                    No, no! Otherwise
                    Even to the dead - how?
                    And the dead, mute,
                    There is only one joy:
                    We fell for our country,
                    But she is saved.
                    (...)
                    We have our own fighting
                    Do not wear the Order.
                    You all this, alive.
                    We are alone in joy
                    What was not in vain struggled
                    We are for motherland.
                    May our voice not be heard
                    You must know him.
                    (...)
                    You should have been, brothers,
                    Stand like a wall
                    For the dead curse -
                    This penalty is terrible.
                    (...)
                    And no one before us
                    Of the living not in debt,
                    Who is the hand of our banner
                    Picked up on the run,
                    To the sacred thing,
                    For the soviet power
                    Also, maybe, accurately
                    A step further to fall.
                    (...)
                    Bequeathed to that life
                    You are happy to be
                    And my homeland homeland
                    With honor to continue to serve.
                    Grieving is proud,
                    Without bowing your head.
                    To rejoice is not boastful
                    In the hour of victory itself.
                    And take care of her holy
                    Brothers, - their happiness, -
                    In memory of a warrior-brother,
                    What died for her.
                    1945
                    http://trvardovsky.ouc.ru/ya-ybit-podo-rzhevom.html
                2. +1
                  5 January 2016 19: 08
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015.

                  there is audio from - 20 feb. 2012
                  Starikov - Who made Hitler attack Stalin
                  is it not ???
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue591AIZWDI
                3. +1
                  5 January 2016 19: 31
                  This book is 2008 of release.
                  1. +2
                    5 January 2016 20: 48
                    Dryuya2
                    there is audio from - 20 feb. 2012
                    Starikov - Who made Hitler attack Stalin
                    is it not ???
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue591AIZWDI

                    In search
                    This book is 2008 of release.

                    It seems that indeed it has already been previously published, and it seems that I bought its supplemented version — the 2015 of the year of publication — since nothing was said about its re-release from the 2008 of the year.
                    The book itself is visited by "To All Fallen for Russia". I read it avidly - with notes for memory on the sheets. It is very topical from the point of view of the current situation in the world and Europe. There is also about "Mein Kampf" - for whom and for what Hitler wrote it.
                    I read other books by Strikov, but this is the most concentrated information, in my opinion.
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            3. +26
              5 January 2016 18: 04
              Quote: Petrof
              the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

              great warlords commanded yes

              Yes, great:
              The human losses of the USSR - 6,3 million soldiers killed and died from wounds, 4,5 million captured and missing.
              The casualties of Nazi Germany - 6,5 million soldiers killed, wounded, missing.
              The human casualties of Nazi Germany's allies are 945 thousand troops killed.
              The irretrievable losses of the armies of the USSR and Nazi Germany (including prisoners of war) - 11,5 million and 11,6 million people (not counting 1,6 million prisoners of war after 9 on May 1945, unknown losses of the Volkssturm, Hitler Youth, Todt organization, the Labor Service, the Imperial Railways Service , police), respectively.
              1. -58
                5 January 2016 18: 13
                how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
                this was not even with the king
                1. Alf
                  +37
                  5 January 2016 18: 17
                  Quote: Petrof
                  how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
                  this was not even with the king

                  1812 year.
                  1. -29
                    5 January 2016 18: 22
                    I'm actually talking about the First World War, as it was called then - the Great War
                    I was with the Germans too, and Hitler was noted there - so I compare
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                    2. +3
                      5 January 2016 18: 45
                      Petrof
                      ......
                      For an unbiased and scientifically sound understanding of the essence of this problem of both world wars in terms of answers to your questions, I advise you to read the new book by Nikolai Starikov, “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 c .: ill. Everything is explained in great detail there.
                      I would give the State Prize to N. Starikov for this book. A worthy thing for understanding the national security of Russia.
                      1. -17
                        5 January 2016 18: 54
                        not reading books yet - I think the British and French
                        guessed right?
                      2. +7
                        5 January 2016 19: 57
                        Petrof
                        without reading the book yet - I think the British and French - guessed?

                        And the United States as well. But it’s better not to guess, but to know exactly and understand how all this was done and why. You will no longer have many questions. And this is very important for understanding the current situation in the world.
                      3. -2
                        6 January 2016 07: 11
                        Just do not forget about Tukhachevsky and company.
                      4. +9
                        5 January 2016 20: 04
                        Quote: Petrof
                        not reading books yet - I think the British and French
                        guessed right?

                        I guessed.
                        No need to read.
                        No need to think.
                        "I have not read, but I condemn" (c)
                        In general, there is an opinion that you need to go a little and learn lessons.
                      5. -5
                        5 January 2016 20: 12
                        Onotole Wasserman are you native? not recognized in makeup
                        and where did you get my dear that I didn’t read anything about it?
                        think intuition of your mighty guessed?
                    3. +11
                      5 January 2016 19: 52
                      For comparison and understanding, it is necessary to keep in mind precisely three Drag nah Austin.
                      1812 - The European Union in its entirety, including Poles and, with the exception of England, Spain and the little things, mobilized, came, came to Moscow and ... did not leave. Everyone died.
                      1914 - Germany and Austria, and the little things, what will become Hungary, the Czech Republic and so on. Piled up, but we resisted.
                      1941 - The European Union in its entirety, with the exception of England, again reached Moscow.
                      So the trend however. Hence the desire to help Geyropa fall apart into bolts. Because again through Moscow for a long time.
                      1. -12
                        5 January 2016 20: 07
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        Piled up


                        Well, if it weren’t for nicholas, then there wouldn’t have been a war
                        We needed to enter into an alliance with France, did we need the Bosporus and the Dardanelles? no, of course it’s kind of with them and it would be nice
                        but to fight for them in world war?

                        We will conquer Constantinople. Well, just like before the cut, we need this Constantinople! And then we’ll also conquer Berlin. I ask you, - then Baskakov pointed a finger at the pockmarked peasant with a bridle, who made his way to the podium, - I ask: do you have a German or a Turkish borrowed, have you taken and not given back? Well, tell me at mercy, dear man, what can you do in Constantinople? What are you going to sell potatoes to the bazaar? Why are you silent? (with)
                      2. -2
                        5 January 2016 20: 15
                        and minusers know that I am repeating communist propaganda now?
                        or it’s not familiar to them that I quote their idols laughing
                      3. +1
                        6 January 2016 11: 09
                        Quote: Petrof
                        and minusers know that I am repeating communist propaganda now?
                        or it’s not familiar to them that I quote their idols

                        Well you did it, but I'm afraid not everyone will understand what this is all about.
                      4. +5
                        5 January 2016 22: 32
                        Yes, I’ll be quiet, I’ll think about it.
                        Petrof, how can you reason? Emperor Nicholas II not Munchausen "From 10 to 12 War with England". And every person is obliged, if not to know, then to love the history of his country. And then you have "a gang of losers wielded in history", who does not understand elementary things.
                      5. 0
                        5 January 2016 22: 38
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        how can one reason like that?


                        so how is it? (did not understand the thought)
                      6. +2
                        6 January 2016 11: 21
                        Yes so. He took loans, entered into unions, and who would let them sit out in the corner.
                        I wouldn’t enter the war and there wouldn’t be Citizens and we would eat ragweed. Now. We’ll master the moon, maybe nobody will get there. And being in the world-system nobody asks anyone who wants what. Everyone wants to not be touched, and they developed and grow rich. But imperialist sharks have their own interests. So study not the seventh hair in the left nostril, but the whole bear.
                      7. +1
                        6 January 2016 14: 32
                        Quote: Mavrikiy
                        I wouldn’t enter the war and there wouldn’t be a citizen

                        If Nikolay -2 of all the Bolsheviks, together with the Socialist-Revolutionaries in shackles and Magadan, there would be no Citizen and Stalin, too, but there was a liberal king, forgive his lord.
                        Under Tsar Stalin, Lenin was the fifth column.
                      8. +1
                        6 January 2016 19: 28
                        saturn.mmm
                        "If Nikolai -2 of all the Bolsheviks, together with the ESERs, were in shackles and on Magadan, then there would be no Citizen and Stalin, too, but there was a liberal king, God forgive him.
                        Under Tsar Stalin, Lenin was the fifth column. "
                        Perfectly. Let's take into account the bitter experience of the Motherland and densely and densely deal with our own fifth column.
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                    4. +8
                      5 January 2016 20: 30
                      Quote: Petrof
                      I'm actually talking about the First World War, as it was called then - the Great War
                      I was with the Germans too, and Hitler was noted there - so I compare

                      For your information, the loss of Russia in the First World War 2-2.3 million dies died and 3.6 million dives in captivity and this despite the fact that there were no German tank wedges, massive bombing of aircraft, and the main weapon was a rifle and artillery, while the Germans still fought with the British, French and there the losses went to millions.
                      1. -4
                        5 January 2016 20: 37
                        the USSR did not have tanks and aircraft?
                        and for your information, how did Stalin himself evaluate his actions and his military leaders in this period, you do not know?
                2. +10
                  5 January 2016 18: 58
                  Yes I did. But did not enter. Can you tell me in which city the war ended? hi
                  1. -20
                    5 January 2016 19: 04
                    better tell me why with such victims?
                    or did we have less equipment? no no less
                    fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough
                    then why?
                    1. Alf
                      +6
                      5 January 2016 19: 37
                      Quote: Petrof
                      better tell me why with such victims?

                      With what victims, only without Solzhenitsyn's tales.
                      1. -5
                        5 January 2016 19: 40
                        Quote: Alf
                        What sacrifices


                        You do not know how many died in the Second World War?
                      2. +14
                        5 January 2016 21: 22
                        You do not know how many died in the Second World War?
                        Do you know why of the 27 million killed there were 16 million civilians? Because Russians are not people, that's why. Why are there large losses among the military? Here's why. Irreplaceable losses are considered not only those killed, but also captured. The number of prisoners on both sides was approximately equal to 5.5 million. Of the 5.5 million "Russians" in the camps of the European "civilizers", 3,7 million people died, and the "Germans" in the "terrible" Stalinist camps - 0.65 million. Do you feel the difference? The pathological Russophobia of Europeans is the main reason for our victims.
                      3. +1
                        6 January 2016 11: 27
                        Listen, prophetic.
                        It's not fair. She asked you one question, and you told her ten. The transistors are already overheating there.
                    2. +9
                      5 January 2016 20: 55
                      did we have less equipment? no, no less. fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough then why?
                      The Czech army was stronger than the German one. Czech fortifications on the German border were considered not to be taken. The German generals themselves believed that they could not be defeated in the war with Czechoslovakia. And in the rear of Germany there were 100 French divisions against 10 German. Why did Czechoslovakia surrender without firing a shot? Why was the French army stronger than the German, especially together with the English divisions, but lost to the Germans in 44 days? Why did the Germans give the English to Dunker in 1940 so much that they fled to their ships, leaving everything behind?
                    3. -1
                      5 January 2016 21: 26
                      Quote: Petrof
                      better tell me why with such victims?
                      or did we have less equipment? no no less
                      fewer soldiers? Yes, it seemed to be enough
                      then why?


                      Most likely because the leaders and leaders considered the Russians and other Slavs not their own, but strangers. Then the military leaders from the highest to the smallest were also imbued with the same beliefs. Dignity, helpfulness, zealous diligence - everything else is incomprehensible to them, and therefore - to the side. They, ordinary Russians, even at some distance were not considered by them as members of their family. Therefore, they were not spared. "Take for such and such a date, anniversary, present a gift ....". Hence the cruelty towards them, ordinary white Slavic citizens.
                      1. +2
                        5 January 2016 23: 02
                        Most likely because the leaders and leaders considered the Russians and other Slavs not their own, but strangers.
                        Bullshit. And the leaders that all were not entirely Russian? And where does nationality in general? If you began to carry such nonsense during the time of Stalin, do you know where you would be sent? All were Soviet then, Soviet! Nationality no one asked! During the war, the calls to CARE PEOPLE constantly ran through all orders. So do not la la. Take to the anniversary, yes, it was. At the first stage of the war. But this has nothing to do with the national question.
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                      3. +2
                        5 January 2016 23: 14
                        Prophetic I apologize to you how old?

                        Quote: Prophetic
                        At the first stage of the war


                        on the first, until what time and why did it stop?
                      4. +2
                        6 January 2016 11: 32
                        brisk
                        Listen, the leader of the pale-faced! would you go to a soviet school for a start to learn something. Well, until the seventh grade. Read shame.
                    4. +1
                      6 January 2016 04: 45
                      There was no strategic thinking. One thing was team-head games, the other was real leadership. The war with Finland is just a local war. Plus, at least our Russian gouging. Well, the belief that above is visible. Our eternal weaknesses.
                      Unfortunately.
                      1. +1
                        6 January 2016 08: 12
                        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
                        . The war with Finland is just a local war.

                        Yes - "local turmoil"!
                        Losses in the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940 based on the two-volume “History of Russia. XX century "

                        USSR loss category
                        1. Killed, died of wounds about 150
                        2. Missing 17
                        3. Prisoners of war about 6000 (returned 5465)
                        4. Wounded, shell-shocked, frostbitten, burned 325
                      2. 0
                        6 January 2016 09: 17
                        I agree with your clarification. Meant comparison with the Second World War. hi
                3. +15
                  5 January 2016 19: 04
                  For the same, according to which the Germans fought in World War I for four years, they lost more than 2-x million and lost. And in World War II they fought with France for only 44 days, lost 44 thousand and won. The truth is that at that moment they knew how to fight better than anyone. We studied during the war and paid for it with blood. But unlike Europe, we survived and won. And this is the main point.
                  1. -14
                    5 January 2016 19: 06
                    Quote: Prophetic
                    We studied during the war


                    that is, with great blood
                    but the repressed didn’t affect this in any way?
                    1. Alf
                      +6
                      5 January 2016 19: 36
                      Quote: Petrof
                      but the repressed didn’t affect this in any way?

                      What repressed people? Can be more ? Only about the talented and untimely killed by the bloody gebenius of the carcasses is better not to stutter, here all the same people who are versed are.
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2016 19: 39
                        Quote: Alf
                        Can be more ? T


                        can
                        Red Army and Red Navy magazines for 1937 (available on the Internet)
                        look who the authors are there and who they wrote about
                        look on the Internet their fate is a matter of minutes
                        and calculate how many percent are repressed and how many of them are shot
                        it's all commanders
                      2. Alf
                        +3
                        5 January 2016 20: 09
                        Quote: Petrof
                        can
                        Red Army and Red Navy magazines for 1937 (available on the Internet)
                        look who the authors are there and who they wrote about
                        look on the Internet their fate is a matter of minutes
                        and calculate how many percent are repressed and how many of them are shot
                        it's all commanders

                        And you ask why they were leaning against the wall and who stood in their place.
                        Now the figure of 40000 officers will come up again?
                      3. -3
                        5 January 2016 20: 30
                        Quote: Alf
                        Now the figure of 40000 officers will come up again?


                        Have you already counted? something i doubt
                        can you still try
                        it’s not so difficult, at the same time you’ll smell the atmosphere
                        here a brilliant red commander shows off today in a magazine, tells all kinds of stories, teaches military affairs in the present way, all his praises are sung and tomorrow they’ll grab him, and he’s being taken to the funnel already, he’s already under the white handles in the cell — why are you our Soviet system betrayed, the state of workers and peasants does not suit you ???, but are you not a spy, but are you a pest
                        and as cut off - not a word more, other PR-up to a new funnel
                        take an interest in general, very entertaining reading

                        have you ever practiced sambo
                        Do you know anything about its creator?
                      4. 0
                        5 January 2016 23: 44
                        command staff. command staff of what. a red army on horseback and with a three ruler for an edge. even if they did not bother, there would be no sense in them at 41. exactly as much as he was from the command in the initial period of the war. and they would also have to learn a new modern war.
                    2. +4
                      5 January 2016 20: 40
                      repressed did not affect it in any way?
                      And what were the repressed in the French army? What prevented them?
                      1. -3
                        5 January 2016 20: 48
                        Do we live in France?
                        their causes of defeat are unknown to me and they are completely indifferent to me
                        let the French themselves understand them
                        or are you french
                      2. +6
                        5 January 2016 22: 01
                        x the reasons for the defeat are unknown to me and they are completely not indifferent to me
                        It is very bad that you are trying to talk about things about which you do not understand anything and do not want to know. The world war began with the Munich agreement of 29 on September 1938. And the Patriotic War is only part of the whole. It is impossible to understand the whole, demonstratively considering only a part.
                        let the French themselves understand them or are you French?
                        You are trying to promote illiterate nonsense here about the fact that Stalin is to blame for the fact that we have VICTORY with "big", in your not enlightened opinion, losses. And I poke your nose for the hundred and first time that THIS is NOT the point. France, England, and Czechoslovakia were stronger than Hitler, and there were NO repressions there, but they LOST. Why?
                        We had - but we won. And they didn’t have - but they lost. So it’s not a matter of repression. We defeated the enemy, who at that time knew how to fight better than everyone in the world, who was stronger than us, more educated than us, who worked on the entire European economy.
                      3. -1
                        5 January 2016 22: 36
                        Quote: Prophetic
                        We had - but we won. And they didn’t - but they lost. So repression is not the point.


                        some kind of vicious logic
                        and references to the fact that the Germans were at that moment the best were also vicious
                        like best of all and be satisfied with it
                        and the reason remains unknown

                        our commanders were too young, without experience, but why was that? don't you guess?
                        because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence

                        as it was said - to beat the enemy on its territory, with a mighty blow, with little blood

                        why didn’t it work?
                        and the conversations - the Germans were just strong - about nothing
                      4. +1
                        6 January 2016 00: 25
                        Quote: Petrof
                        because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence


                        Far East - Zhukov.
                        Spain is a defeat
                        Finland is a practical defeat with enormous losses. The war was stopped by mutual agreement.

                        Everything that was done at that time had reasons. The command of the Red Army from the junior command staff to the very top consisted mainly of those who participated in the civilian. Their knowledge and skills no longer corresponded to time. And besides, no one canceled their loyalty to their commanders, many of whom were not at all enthusiastic about Stalin.

                        Gigantic losses at the beginning of the war are the result of a well-conducted attack. In the early hours of the war, almost all border airfields were disabled. A huge amount of armored vehicles and heavy weapons was captured, in which the USSR really surpassed Germany. The problem is that the main defensive lines of the USSR were built before 1939. The borders that appeared after that were almost bare. In the first weeks of the war, German forces suffered losses comparable to those of their entire European campaign. The tactics used by the Germans (invented, by the way, in Russia) led to the loss of communication between the units and formations of the Red Army. Cut off the headquarters. Yes, actually there is nothing to describe. You already know. Only the emphasis is on the left. It is understandable.
                      5. +2
                        6 January 2016 00: 49
                        Quote: Stranger
                        Finland - practical defeat with huge losses


                        all officially stated goals are met
                        what a defeat
                        and to failure - a negative result is also a result
                        here in Spain for example - those aces who fought in Spain turned the tide of the air war on the Halkin goal in our favor

                        Quote: Stranger
                        almost all border airfields were disabled. Captured a huge amount of armored vehicles and heavy weapons,


                        not just airfields, but with airplanes and a ton of other equipment (smashed or captured)
                        and how after this we can say that we have wonderful commanders, how cool they started the war, the Germans suddenly turned out to be stronger, well, yes - for no reason

                        Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-1942, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. (from)

                        Yes, Stalin himself acknowledges this and says bluntly, but the local Stalinists do not believe this
                      6. 0
                        7 January 2016 15: 33
                        Finland is a practical defeat with enormous losses. The war was stopped by mutual agreement.

                        Nonsense! Finns in civilian captured our territory. The border lay at 30km from Leningrad, i.e. in the very first seconds of the war the city would be bombarded. Stalin offered the Finns to buy territory in order to push the border. They refused. He offered to exchange 3tys km for our 6 thousand. Refused. As a result of the war, we received 40 thousand and did not give anything in return. All the tasks of the war are completed and exceeded. 9 on March Mannerheim informed the government that the Finnish army was on the verge of total defeat. 12 March, despite the persuasion of England and France, the Finns in Moscow signed a peace treaty on SOVIET CONDITIONS. So here is TOTAL VICTORY!
                        Dear price? Yes, 126 thousand people died. Not as fast as we would like? Yes. There was an underestimation of the strength of the enemy. Poor knowledge of the Mannerheim line. Unreadiness for the winter war and as a result of losses from frostbite exceeded combat losses. But we took the line that the Finns built for 20 years and which was considered impregnable by many in Europe. 3: 1 loss ratio is that classic minimum that we could count on. When the Japanese stormed Port Arthur, the ratio of their losses was 1: 4. We have in Finnish 5: 1. Not so good, but not fundamentally. In addition, it was thanks to the Finnish overcoat that they replaced it with quilted jackets, budennovki for earflaps, and teplushki appeared. So this is certainly a victory and the necessary instructive war.
                      7. +1
                        6 January 2016 01: 40
                        Darling, vicious logic, this is yours. If you don’t know why the Germans won against ALL, whom you lost 20 years ago, then ask directly. And senior comrades will be happy to help and explain to you. But you are trying to draw conclusions. From nothing. Moreover, they themselves are not claiming anything specifically. So that you don’t stick your nose into your ignorance.
                        our commanders were too young, without experience, but why was that? don't you guess? because there was a military experience and the conflict on the CER and Hassan and the Halkin goal and Spain and Finland - do not refer to its absence
                        This female logic makes me happy wink So "too young and no experience" or "had experience"? You really decide how something. And by the way, I never wrote that they were young, or they had no experience. You invented it.
                        Stalin removed Trotsky's henchmen - commissars who had crept into the army management not due to military merit or combat experience, but through party merits: Gamarnik, Primakov, Uborevich, Yakir, Tukhochevsky and replaced them with Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Konev, Malinovsky, Tolbukhin, Rokosovsky. Unlike the first ones, they had a REAL combat experience since the First World War. The repressions did not leave a visible imprint on the educational level of the SA and could not, because of the INSIGNIFICANCE of the latter. So, if in 1936 the higher military academic education had 13 thousand commanders, then by 1941 - 28 thousand! Despite all the repression. The total number of command personnel by 1941 had 439 thousand people. And this is without the political staff, the Air Force, the Navy, and the NKVD. The total number of arrested officers from 1937 to 1939, 8122 and 9859, were dismissed from the army (including those reinstated and returned from places of imprisonment.) Thus, the total number of those arrested and dismissed amounted to 18 thousand, which is FOUR PERCENT of the total number of officers by 1941. So it did not play a significant role. And there is no need to imagine that all of those arrested were "victims of the regime." So, for example, for drunkenness, moral decay, embezzlement of national property, bullying of soldiers, 3380 people were fired. The Germans, Poles, Estonians and others were dismissed before the war. Natives abroad - 2219h. etc.
                      8. -2
                        6 January 2016 15: 10
                        Quote: Prophetic
                        This female logic makes me happy. So "too young and without experience" or "was there any experience"? You really decide how something. And by the way, I never wrote that they were young, or they had no experience. You invented it.

                        Prophetic, do you even know how to read consciously? And then I have doubts, or you are deliberately turning everything upside down, reread carefully what "Petroff" wrote to you and don’t carry any garbage.
                      9. 0
                        7 January 2016 16: 28
                        Prophetic, do you even know how to read consciously? ... and do not carry any garbage.
                        Mulia, you remind me of my students who are drunk trying to teach me physics. Say something SPECIFIC in the case is what? There is nothing? Take a walk ..
                      10. +2
                        6 January 2016 04: 35
                        For how long were Poland and France defeated? What about Dunkirk? In Europe, the Germans were the best. This is without a doubt.
                      11. +1
                        6 January 2016 09: 32
                        Precisely, talk about the strength of the German army, crushing almost all of enlightened Europe under it, is about nothing. In your reasoning, as well as in the opus of dissidents, the idea is traced that all those who were not shot are fools, but geniuses like Blucher and Tukhachevsky that are not understood by contemporaries. And what was heaped up with meat ... Then Rokossovsky with his elegant solutions is the same unlucky?
                        And the German generals lost the war, because they were led by a corporal ... These are not your words but just an addition, I write so that there are no nit-picking words. laughing
                      12. +2
                        6 January 2016 01: 17
                        Regarding the "illiterate delirium" ..... "We defeated the enemy who knew how to fight at that time better than anyone else in the world, which was stronger than us, more educated than us, on whom the entire European economy worked." - I confess, in the early 80s, in a history lesson, I was so excused from ignorance of the subject. laughing
                4. +6
                  5 January 2016 19: 55
                  Quote: Petrof
                  how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?
                  this was not even with the king

                  Where are you from? He did not reach Moscow. The foggy outskirts were examined with binoculars, but did not reach. What are you telling us a lie? You take us for the illiterate. The gentleman, an amateur of the fascists, will not work. Your lies will not pass!
                  1. -6
                    5 January 2016 20: 43
                    again you with your lies
                    to look at Moscow with binoculars, doesn’t it reach Moscow ???
                    and what does it mean, it's so easy to go out
                    at least have a conscience do not lie
                    or about the battle of Moscow not by rumor
                    or not with Hitler fought there


                    about a fascist lover - I don’t have to ascribe my secret fantasies
                    1. +1
                      5 January 2016 23: 09
                      You yourself just wrote "near Moscow", not "battle in Moscow". Do not write that they reached Moscow. Didn't get it.
                      My secret fantasies are no secret. All liberals, oligarchs and fascists - to the gallows.
                      1. +3
                        5 January 2016 23: 37
                        if you reach Moscow at a distance of looking with binoculars, you just don’t need to say that this is not Moscow
                        they didn’t enter the city, but nevertheless reached the city itself
                        because the battle was not in Moscow, but near Moscow
                      2. 0
                        6 January 2016 15: 28
                        Quote: Алексей_К
                        You yourself have just written "near Moscow", not "battle in Moscow".

                        In order for the battle to take place in Moscow, one must enter Moscow, and Petroff did not write that Hitler entered Moscow.
                        Or you are not Russian and do not understand phraseological turns.
                5. 0
                  6 January 2016 00: 33
                  Well, YOU Petrov’s memory is selective, and who burned Moscow when the French attacked, it’s not Napoleon by chance.
                  1. +1
                    6 January 2016 00: 58
                    in general, I compare the two world wars, and here the French
                    and the question is - what was our capital in 1812?
                    1. 0
                      6 January 2016 02: 37
                      Quote: Petrof
                      in general, I compare the two world wars, and here the French
                      and the question is - what was our capital in 1812?

                      That is, the war of 1812 was a petty feud between two neighbors?
                      The question is - which city on the Neva despite the blockade did the Germans never take?
                      No need to juggle. If now Khimki is a district of Moscow, this does not mean that it was in 1941. And if you go further following your "logic" and examine the territory of new Moscow, the Germans did not really get there but entered and even stood in Moscow. But the facts are the unforgiving thing of the Second World War ended in Berlin.
                      1. -2
                        6 January 2016 15: 33
                        Quote: pv1005
                        That is, the war of 1812 was a petty feud between two neighbors?

                        Petroff compares the war of 1914 and the war of 1941, and what does the war of 1812 have to do with it.
                  2. -1
                    6 January 2016 04: 29
                    Nothing new. by a well-known training manual juggling.
                6. +1
                  6 January 2016 09: 28
                  Quote: Petrof
                  how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?

                  And you read the story. Look who commanded and what at the beginning of the war, and who and what, for example, since 1943. Much will become clear.
                  A few more numbers:
                  the approximate ratio of losses of the USSR to Germany, respectively: in the 41 year, 10: 1; on 42 xNUMX: 6; in 1 m 44: 1 (some operations 5: 1); on 25 45: 1
                7. 0
                  6 January 2016 09: 28
                  Quote: Petrof
                  how did Hitler get to Moscow with such great strategists?

                  And you read the story. Look who commanded and what at the beginning of the war, and who and what, for example, since 1943. Much will become clear.
                  A few more numbers:
                  the approximate ratio of losses of the USSR to Germany, respectively: in the 41 year, 10: 1; on 42 xNUMX: 6; in 1 m 44: 1 (some operations 5: 1); on 25 45: 1
            4. -38
              5 January 2016 18: 05
              Am I killed under Rzhev? The road is there for you!
              1. +1
                5 January 2016 19: 21
                Quote: pofigisst74
                Am I killed under Rzhev? The road is there for you!

                We all die))) someday.
            5. +22
              5 January 2016 18: 08
              Quote: Petrof
              great warlords commanded yes

              Yes, Petroff, it’s a pity that you weren’t the military commander at that time. Probably there would be no loss. They just surrendered and everyone is alive. You do not have a hero Vlasov, by chance?
              1. -16
                5 January 2016 18: 15
                Quote: EvgNik
                You do not have a hero Vlasov, by chance?


                but for you, those who do not like Stalin must necessarily love Vlasov?
                Vlasov, by the way, was the Communists, like Lenin, like Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, like Khrushchev
                how do you feel about them?
                Do you like these leaders of the Soviet state?
                1. +2
                  5 January 2016 19: 35
                  Dear Petrof!
                  The leaders of the Soviet state are not red girls to like or dislike. By the way, Yeltsin was not. Why drag in the Communists? And among them in normal numbers were traitors and careerists, as among ordinary people. Find N. Starikov, A. Fursov, Kasatonov on the sites. Yes, it can be tiring to listen, but it can also be exciting. Yes, and more useful than sitting on Wikipedia.
                  1. +1
                    5 January 2016 19: 45
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    By the way, Yeltsin was not.


                    June 12, 1991 elected President of the RSFSR (s) Wikipedia

                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    Why drag in the Communists?


                    and who do you think they were?


                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    The leaders of the Soviet state are not red girls to like or dislike.


                    well. Do you support their activities?
                2. +1
                  6 January 2016 06: 31
                  Quote: Petrof
                  Vlasov, by the way, was the Communists, like Lenin, like Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, like Khrushchev
                  how do you feel about them?

                  I do not belong to them. For me they are traitors.
              2. -1
                5 January 2016 20: 43
                Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.
                1. +2
                  5 January 2016 23: 14
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.

                  And it is not necessary to mow under the peasant, her nickname is "Petrof" with the German spelling of the Russian ending "s". And as everyone who studied German knows, there is no surname "Petrofa" in German.
                  That's why the attitude towards her as an enemy grabbed the minuses.
                  1. -1
                    5 January 2016 23: 23
                    my gender in this case does not play any role
                    and minuses, you are unpleasant to hear the truth, here are the cons, which are absolutely indifferent to me
                2. +1
                  6 January 2016 00: 07
                  Sharapov - "Under the nickname" Petroff "- the girl Julia ..." - this young lady is able to perceive only information at the level of the Echo of Moscow, or Solzhenitsyn's mantras, and you gentlemen and comrades are trying to talk to her like a reasonable person, this is a thankless task , take your time and energy No.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2016 00: 11
                    Yeah
                    that is, you want to think so
                    think who can forbid you
                  2. 0
                    6 January 2016 01: 30
                    I do not know what she reads, this young lady, but she intellectually made you! And for endurance to her, abruptly than for rude men-RESPECT! hi
                    1. +2
                      6 January 2016 04: 27
                      To argue with a comrade who is more pressing on losses and other sore spots that were, it is according to Solzhenitsinsky and Bukovsky. Unproven emotions are always better than the opposite point of view. You do not know why Shalamov forbade Solzhenitsyn to approach his archives?
                    2. -1
                      6 January 2016 15: 55
                      Quote: combat66
                      I do not know what she reads, this young lady, but she intellectually made you! And for endurance to her, abruptly than for rude men-RESPECT!

                      I support you 100%, it looks great.
                  3. -1
                    6 January 2016 15: 54
                    Quote: Goga101
                    girl Julia ... "- this young lady is able to perceive only information at the level of the Echo of Moscow, or Solzhenitsyn's mantras, and you gentlemen and comrades are trying to talk to her as with a reasonable person, this is a thankless occupation, take your time and energy

                    Everything is normal with her logic, otherwise many confuse the war of 1812 with the war of 1914 and accuse her of poor perception of information
                    1. +2
                      7 January 2016 12: 56
                      The levels of perception do not correspond, not all the disputants were even able to realize that they were correctly "protrolled". smile
                      In such cases, the "weak" opponent simply "nails the label", the most abusive thing is "liberal", or even worse.
                      I draw conclusions, trying to just have a conversation, or discussing the topic of your favorite idol is a futile matter, they will come and shoot them ... laughing
                3. +1
                  6 January 2016 06: 41
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Under the nickname "Petroff" - the girl Julia

                  Sorry, I just paid attention to it today. Actually, it doesn’t change anything. Maybe a comment does not reach you, I will send it in private. I read all the comments, I’m already reading it in the morning. I put only one minus, to you Sharapov, not for the content, but for the rudeness to the Girl Julia - Petrof - not a single one.
                4. -2
                  6 January 2016 15: 45
                  Quote: Sharapov
                  Under the nickname "Petroff" is the girl Yulia, so it is useless to blame her with military leaders. You are a provocateur, sir, judging by the texts.

                  Girl Julia writes more literally and convincingly than most men on this thread.
                  1. +4
                    6 January 2016 17: 45
                    The girl Petrof competently angered everyone. So that he (a) writes me no matter how much, I read other books. About Tukhachevsky it’s been said so much that everyone is clear who he was. And you don’t have to make a sufferer out of him. , no one argues, just not everyone was planted.
                    1. 0
                      11 January 2016 19: 54
                      Quote: asiat_61
                      .Bardak was at the beginning of the war, no one argues, just not everyone was planted.

                      Who would have fought if everyone had been imprisoned?
            6. +2
              5 January 2016 18: 39
              Quote: Petrof
              great warlords commanded yes

              Name a SINCLE leader, at least one, at least from the office of Zagotsyryo LLC, not to mention the head of state.
              That's when you can, when YOURSELF will be "crystal clear", then please come to the judge ...
              " Do not judge, but you will not be judged, for by what court you judge, you will be judged thus; and
              by what measure you measure, by such measure they will also measure you.
              ". This is how it happens ...

              Z.Y. Nothing personal at all, besides being an atheist feel
              1. +3
                5 January 2016 19: 29
                Quote: Serg Koma
                "Do not judge, lest you be judged, for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and
                With what measure you mete, it will be measured to you also. "

                Wise words. I would give you 1000 pluses because everything in the world is relative and the measure of things should always be the same, and not as in times of double standards when democracy is an ideal and not condemned, and any other system is the axis of evil and therefore must be destroyed.
                Whoever does not know this single measure (or does not want to know for money) is from the evil one, from the dark, from the destructive and degrading one - and the one who understands the measure of things, on his shoulders pulls the burden of life for the whole world into the future, but it’s difficult and dishonorable nowadays, it is reckless and humiliated.
                Turn on the brains of those guys whose eyes and mind swam from the fat of consumerism, pleasure, love of power, buzz words: coolness, fashion, success and solidity.
                The world unwritten law "Conscience" has not been canceled and I want to note: - "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from punishment" as well as its non-application in life. One must live not only with the body, but also with the soul, and therefore observe both laws, both Earthly (written by people) and Heavenly (the law of the soul).
                Everything. Point.
              2. +1
                5 January 2016 20: 09
                In general, that is the story that a good doctor should have a personal cemetery and the larger it is, the better the doctor.
              3. +1
                5 January 2016 23: 27
                Quote: Serg Koma
                "Do not judge, lest you be judged, for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and
                With what measure you mete, it will be measured to you also. "

                The Bible was written by Jews. The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility. A very good way to conquer peoples. And the Old Testament is generally a shortened version of the Jewish Torah.
                Yes, WE would not exist now if we submitted to the Tatar-Mongol invasion, we would not have won on the Kulikovo field, on the Neva and Lake Peipsi, but in 1812, and in 1941. And if the noble scum would have won the civil war, then in 1941 The Nazis would definitely have defeated us. This noble trash even managed to "lose" the 1st World War.
                No - it is necessary to judge, and for a blow, it is necessary to answer with a blow. Otherwise, they’ll simply beat you on the street and, if you have a wife or girlfriend, they will leave you, but you don’t want to protect them, because of false Jewish sermons.
                1. +3
                  6 January 2016 01: 00
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  And if the noble scum would have won the civil war, then in 1941 we would definitely have been defeated by the Nazis. This noble trash even managed to "lose" the 1st World War.

                  You, as always, are wrong, my dear.
                  If Russian capitalism, which was under the tsar, would remain, then the economy of our country would be more powerful and the population would be more powerful, and the territories would be vast.
                  It was not the nobles who lost the 1st World War, but the revolutionaries who signed the humiliating defeat, but on the 1st, oddly enough troops were selected to capture the Bosphorus and thereby put an end to the 1st World War in our favor, but then the unexpected: the Tsar is arrested, Kerensky the reformer and further mow down bite the revolution. Everything is according to the plan of the democrats. And so you look and the Turks would not have lifted their heads like right now, but probably no one would have heard about the 2nd World War.
                  And you are the cutest only to the liberals and Russophobia’s hands
                2. +2
                  6 January 2016 06: 48
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  The Bible was written by Jews.

                  But Jews are hiding here. Ish how they react to everything that hurts them. You can follow by voting for posts that hurt this nation. Learned to be encrypted and crap stealthily.
                  1. -1
                    6 January 2016 23: 01
                    .
                    Quote: EvgNik
                    But after all Jews are hiding here. Ish how they react to everything that hurts them.Can be traced by voting for posts hurting this nation. Learned to be encrypted and crap stealthily.
                    Something that your mockery begins to border on sexism. Maybe - "Announce the entire list please ..." ?????
                3. -1
                  6 January 2016 22: 45
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  The Bible was written by Jews. The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility. A very good way to conquer peoples. And the Old Testament is generally a shortened version of the Jewish Torah.

                  Below I wrote that I am an ATHEIST, so it makes no sense to convert me to any religion! But the wisdom of the people (and at least some) set forth in these lines should probably be respected. You just did not understand what it was about. I advise you to re-read the post
                  Quote: Irokez
                  everything in the world is relative and the measure of things should always be the same, and not as in times of double standards when democracy is an ideal and is not condemned, and any other system is the axis of evil and therefore must be destroyed.

                  Quote: Irokez
                  The world unwritten law "Conscience" has not been canceled and I want to note: - "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from punishment" as well as its non-application in life. It is necessary to live not only by the body, but also by the soul, and therefore observe both laws of the Earth (written by people) and Heavenly (the law of the soul).

                  If you have a different interpretation based only on "WHOM the statement belongs to", hence the bias of your opinion, how did the JEWS WRITE - well, YOUR RIGHT ...
                  Reminding me once again - I AM an ATHEIST, I do not believe in devil or in God, I treat people according to the principle - "Yes, even if you are a negro of advanced years, if only you were a good person!" good
                4. -1
                  7 January 2016 16: 40
                  The entire text of the Bible is imbued with a spirit of humility.
                  This can only be written by a person who has never read the Bible. The Bible is one of the most bloodthirsty books on the planet.
            7. +6
              5 January 2016 18: 51
              Quote: Petrof
              the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

              I wish you were commanders! Right with the sofa! You would have shown how to fight without losses! And what about 42-43? Let’s count the whole war, and in losses to the Germans we’ll write Romanians and other European integrators, from the Baltic states, to the forest brothers. Maybe you have less reason to dance on the bones.
              1. -9
                5 January 2016 18: 56
                would you even read that your idol Stalin talked about this period
              2. -1
                6 January 2016 16: 04
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Maybe you have less reason to dance on the bones.

                It so happens that the general’s stars on shoulder straps are still a corporal at heart, and sometimes these generals become commanders of entire districts, but when they are unable to cope with the difficult tasks, they are transferred to share trophies.
            8. +8
              5 January 2016 19: 30
              Do not forget that the best army in the world fought against the USSR, moreover, it had good combat experience, and most importantly, very good generals. All Europe fought against the USSR and all the economic power of Europe worked for Germany.
              1. -5
                5 January 2016 19: 48
                Quote: Havoc
                besides having a good combat experience,


                and our army did not have experience?

                Quote: Havoc
                and most importantly, very good generals.


                so what am I talking about ???
                1. 0
                  5 January 2016 20: 10
                  Quote: Petrof
                  Quote: Havoc
                  and most importantly, very good generals.


                  so what am I talking about ???

                  Go here: http://www.odinblago.ru/logika
                  Bad generals defeated good ones belay As always contrary!
                  1. -6
                    5 January 2016 20: 54
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    so always contrary!


                    find out the death toll from our side
                    if you don’t know it
                    1. +3
                      5 January 2016 22: 58
                      Quote: Petrof
                      find out the death toll from our side
                      if you don’t know it

                      They fought as best they could! We constantly studied this occupation, but at the cost of many lives! But, if not for the self-sacrifice of our great people, you women would still be kept as meat for pleasure! Children would have heated the stoves and tested medicines, and those few remaining men would have been figuring in uranium mines and in other mines! I am sure, if there was an opportunity to ask those people "in vain" or not, they died for the country, for the people, for the Motherland, I think they would have answered that they would sacrifice themselves 100 more times in order for their families to be alive and free! Or are you madam claiming that it was a useless sacrifice ????
                      1. 0
                        6 January 2016 00: 20
                        Quote: nic086
                        to ask those people "in vain" or not, they died for the country, for the people, for the Motherland-


                        Do you have Russian as your native language?
                        where do you come up with what nonsense that I never wrote ???
                        can you quote me exactly where it is written?

                        aaa I understand it is better to invent nonsense of course, ascribe it to the interlocutor and refute it with brilliance
                        method too of course
                      2. 0
                        6 January 2016 17: 42
                        Quote: Petrof
                        where do you come up with what nonsense that I never wrote ???

                        As for the Russian language, you also do not shine. Your phrase in literary Russian is written like this: "Where do you come up with some nonsense that I have never written?" You have 5 mistakes in this phrase. Compare your text and mine and you will understand everything about the fact that your Russian language is your native language.
                    2. +3
                      5 January 2016 23: 35
                      Quote: Petrof
                      find out the death toll from our side
                      if you don’t know it

                      So you give yourself the numbers of those killed in the battles, only on both sides. Add to the opponents not only Germans. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and the Croats, and Western Ukrainians, and the Finns also fought against us, well, do not forget to mention Japan.
                    3. +4
                      6 January 2016 04: 21
                      IN THIS QUANTITY AND BURNED IN KHATIN burned at Auschwitz and others, children who took blood for German soldiers. Driven to Germany for forced labor and not returning. Yeah...
            9. +3
              5 January 2016 19: 31
              You’d better command a lot, that's for sure.
              1. -1
                6 January 2016 16: 10
                Quote: Platonitch
                You’d better command a lot, that's for sure.

                Maybe it’s better, it’s not to know.
            10. +1
              5 January 2016 19: 50
              Quote: Petrof
              the irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Rzhev battle of the 1942 — 1943 years amounted to 605 984 man (s)

              great warlords commanded yes

              I am killed under Rzhev,
              In a nameless swamp ....

              Somehow look one-sidedly. And the Nazis killed 450000 people. And these nazi nits did not reach Moscow. But how the bastards were eager to enslave us. Do you dream about it?
              1. -2
                5 January 2016 19: 59
                Quote: Алексей_К
                A fascists killed 450000 people


                According to an employee of the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves, the 9th Army in the battle for Rzhev bridgehead - the Bely - Olenino - Rzhev - Zubtsov - Sychevka area, that is, without taking into account other sectors of the front, the losses in the Zhirkov Hill and in battles against the 33rd army, lost 120 thousand people killed. Similar data on losses directly at the Rzhevsky bridgehead provide other sources. (from)

                Quote: Алексей_К
                Do you dream about it?


                or maybe you will not be idiotic?
                1. +1
                  5 January 2016 23: 41
                  Quote: Petrof
                  or maybe you will not be idiotic?

                  I'm not being stupid. I answer you as a person who has a nickname with a German ending "of" in the Russian surname "Petrov". And the conclusion from this is that you don't like Russians, so you are hiding behind the German pronunciation and spelling of the Russian surname.
                  1. -2
                    6 January 2016 00: 01
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    NIK with the German ending "of



                    aah, that is, you draw a nickname about my addictions, so what?
                    doesn't it seem to you somewhat absurd? and if I had been called some sort of sojikhe - would you think that?
            11. +9
              5 January 2016 20: 07
              You see, citizen Petrof, in a war they can kill not only in a swamp or in a river. Likely to bleed in the snow will be worse. But a wonderful poem is not about that. Reread. Yes, such great warlords commanded. There were no others, and never will be. A military duty must be performed for any.
              1. -1
                5 January 2016 21: 02
                that is, you did not understand him
                Do you know something about Twardowski?
                as he, for example, related to Stalin, no, not during his lifetime

                Quote: Mavrikiy
                A military duty must be performed for any.


                and where does it say that it does not need to be performed? can you show or do I have something else written there that has escaped your attention ???
                1. +1
                  5 January 2016 22: 44
                  "At Tvardovsky's dacha and in the most anti-Stalin years there was a portrait of the leader lighting his pipe. Nekrasov was under him. Bunin was on the other wall."
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2016 00: 03
                    and at the same time he was the editor of the New World laughing
          2. +3
            5 January 2016 17: 45
            Quote: EvgNik
            Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles

            Sharapov has all the troubles of crystal clearness. Or did he personally ghoul-Stalin bathed in blood?
            1. +4
              5 January 2016 18: 47
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Or did he personally ghoul-Stalin bathed in blood?

              the ghoul who kept the USSR? I hope you made a reservation, and change the epithet.
              1. +1
                5 January 2016 19: 04
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                the ghoul who kept the USSR? I hope you made a reservation, and change the epithet.

                But haven't you, dear Andrei Yurievich, just recently, I laid out the definition of sarcasm from Wikipedia? So, this is it, darling. Or should I use emoticons to complete the perception of the comment?
          3. -16
            5 January 2016 17: 46
            I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the trouble.

            Interesting .. and our Soviet historians are allowed to read ?? so the numbers don’t lie! in the first months of the war hundreds of thousands of Slavs went to the Nazis in a cauldron! even tanks were forbidden to refuel before the war ... for it was considered alarmism on the part of the General Staff that this was not a betrayal of the Slavic population and people !!
            1. 0
              5 January 2016 18: 17
              Quote: shooter18
              and you allow our Soviet historians to read?

              For God's sake, read what you think is necessary. And draw your own conclusions (preferably). And what did I write about the commanders of the beginning of the war? It’s not news to me that many fled from the front. Which naturally increased our losses. And about the orders issued by Stalin before the war, I advise you to inquire in more detail. Learn interesting things, not speculation.
              1. -9
                5 January 2016 19: 12
                Quote: EvgNik
                For God's sake, read what you think is necessary. And draw your own conclusions (preferably).

                Many thanks for the permission to read (although this permission is not in the spirit of the Stalinist).
            2. +10
              5 January 2016 18: 47
              This is where you read such nonsense, my friend? In the magazine Spark of Jew Korotich? wassat The team of secretly pushing to the border to repel a possible enemy attack was held on 20 of June. And who told you that the army was Slavic? She was Soviet, Soviet! All nations fought as one. The real friendship of the peoples was! Therefore, they won.
            3. +2
              5 January 2016 20: 23
              If true, then this is an ordinary betrayal, or again excesses in the field, and why exclamation points? I myself read with Pleasure V. Suvorov, well, fun writing, but the truth in it is penniless. The point is not what to read, but what to look for. And our Soviet historians carried out directions, modern ones also work out many grants. I read and ran, I found the truth. There is no tonne of ore dear from the beginning, then there may be gold. You don’t tear your main heart, but calmly analyze it.
          4. +20
            5 January 2016 17: 51
            I specifically read it. (not all, of course, excerpts). To make sure what Solzheitsyn was a LIAR. Even the last name is speaking.
            1. +9
              5 January 2016 19: 43
              I also did not read all Solzhenitsyn a long time ago, there was simply time and there was no other reading matter. Indeed, there is so much lies, the feeling is such that it is smeared in the mud. All the dirt supposedly from the words of some prisoners, someone who said something, describes his imprisonment in a completely different way, especially in a sharashka.
              1. +1
                5 January 2016 20: 13
                Comrade, the one who put the minus, it would be interesting for me to discuss with you, and it would be interesting for you to screw on the docks that I translated in the work of this writer.
              2. 0
                6 January 2016 18: 07
                Maybe V. Shalamov lied?
            2. -2
              6 January 2016 18: 06
              The opinion of such readers is interesting. Where did Solzhenitsin lie? “One day in Ivan Denisovich?” “How can we arrange Russia?” You have never heard such names, writers.
              1. +1
                6 January 2016 19: 58
                If you list everything, it will be a very long time. One example, when this writer described the transportation of prisoners, again from words not indicated by a comrade, as a person who received a mathematical education, he could have calculated that 30 people could not just physically shove a prisoner’s compartment into the prison. wagon, the first wagons were then much shorter, the second volume of bodies is much larger than the volume of the room. And lastly, how long did the riot last days, in which Solzhenitsyn allegedly took part, until he escaped to the hospital. Nowadays, the riot in the colony is suppressed for two days, this is a maximum of days. So much for the bloody regime that has been negotiating with prisoners for so many days.
          5. -17
            5 January 2016 18: 29
            Quote: EvgNik
            Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.

            In November, the Germans came to Moscow with the help of a teleport?

            Well, straight myths of ancient Stalinism.
            In Kollontai's notes, a set of generalized phrases, somehow not serious, looks like "people hawala".
            Stalin is already an ancient history, he will not come and put things in order, it’s better to go to church and practice the traditional religion and not create a sect of the leader of the peoples.
            1. +6
              5 January 2016 18: 50
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              In November, the Germans came to Moscow with the help of a teleport?

              who the hell turned out to be, and ...? the result is one ... or are we in Berlin, Paris, Vienna, Prague .... are you not happy?
              1. -1
                5 January 2016 20: 02
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                the result is one ... or are we in Berlin, Paris, Vienna, Prague .... are you not happy?

                I didn’t understand something, it’s you who went to the Great Patriotic War everywhere and we’re not at work? What does my grandfather do in a mass grave before reaching 60 km to Berlin?
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                who the hell turned out to be, and ...?

                Wood chips are flying, the result of the Nazi policy of genocide and “scorched earth” in Belarus was 2 people who were destroyed in three years of occupation.
                But if Stalin had declared enhanced alertness, and 22 and combat alert could most of them survived? But the prophet-genius didn’t work at the crucial moment.
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 04: 11
                  Everybody thinks of himself as a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. "The Knight in the Skin of a Leopard"
                2. 0
                  6 January 2016 07: 23
                  And why did they get that she was not advertised? Nobody slept in the Kremlin that night, and they were waiting for the German ambassador ...
                3. 0
                  7 January 2016 17: 37
                  But if Stalin had declared enhanced alertness, and 22 and combat alert could most of them survived? But the prophet-genius didn’t work at the crucial moment.

                  Complete illiterate nonsense!
                  1. Stalin is not a mythical telepath, but a man who made conclusions based on operational information. From the information that he possessed, it was impossible to understand that the offensive would be exactly 22. But the most important thing is NOT TIME, BUT THE DIRECTION OF THE MAIN IMPACT. But this was generally a disaster.
                  2: The order to secretly put on full alert passed 20. Just in case.
                  3. The advance to the border of Our troops began at least a week before the war. 17-th(!) Goebels writes in his diary that "there has been an active advance of the Russians towards the borders. But LATE! Nothing can save them!"
                  Conclusion: Belarus would be captured ANYWAY.
                  Forget this nonsense about the crucial importance of surprise. If you really want to understand why we lost at the first stage of the war, read Isaev.
          6. -3
            5 January 2016 19: 19
            Quote: EvgNik
            , I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA

            But what, the results of the war will change from this, or will my grandfather who died in Poland get up from the grave?
          7. 0
            5 January 2016 19: 55
            Pray, there’s a little picture. smile
        2. +11
          5 January 2016 17: 45
          Clicked? Drowned? Facts in the studio. There are many who repeat the liberal heresy. But not many are able to appreciate the "stubborn soothsayer"!
          1. -17
            5 January 2016 18: 33
            Quote: FiremamRescueS
            But not many are able to appreciate the "stubborn soothsayer"!

            He would have predicted the beginning of the war, that would be great.
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            2. -18
              5 January 2016 19: 03
              Well, for one huge political mistake in estimating the start date of the war, for directly ignoring the intelligence received, including indicating the exact time of the German invasion, Comrade Stalin should have been shot according to the laws that he wrote as a German spy and enemy of the people. This mistake of the great soothsayer cost our people millions of human lives, and the Nazis allowed us to seize the territory where a third of the population lived and come close to the walls of Leningrad and Moscow.
              I admit that Stalin in the first days after the start of the war really expected that they would come for him, being in a terribly depressed state, and spoke to the people only 11 days after the start of the war. Let him say thanks to our people, who, in the face of a formidable enemy, did not begin to find out who was right, who was to blame, but picked up a rifle and stood up for our Motherland.
              1. Alf
                +4
                5 January 2016 19: 42
                Quote: Nikolai K
                Well, for one huge political mistake in assessing the start date of the war, for directly ignoring the intelligence received, including indicating the exact time of the German invasion, Comrade Stalin should have been shot according to the written laws as a German spy and enemy of the people.

                And what dates should you believe? Let me remind you that back then intelligence dates were completely different and constant. The Germans, too, were masters of disguise.
                What information did he ignore? That Hitler will start a war with the USSR only after the end of the war in the West?
                1. -7
                  5 January 2016 21: 05
                  It is not even a matter of the specific date and time of the attack, although the day before the war several sources told Stalin the exact time of its beginning. I am talking about a STRATEGIC mistake when Stalin assumed that Hitler would attack the USSR not earlier than 1942, and until then he would deal with Great Britain. And he was so sure of this axiom. that he missed the ears of numerous reports of the transfer of German troops to the east. A hundred divisions are difficult to discreetly transfer across the floor of Europe, do not you? On the contrary, the troops received a well-known order to prevent provocations.
                  1. +3
                    5 January 2016 22: 30
                    Quote: Nikolai K
                    I am talking about a STRATEGIC mistake when Stalin assumed that Hitler would attack the USSR no earlier than 1942

                    There are three options with this date:
                    1. Hitler will attack the USSR in the 42nd
                    2. Stalin will attack Germany in the 42nd
                    3. (correct) In the 42nd, it was planned to complete the rearmament of the Red Army, but request it's not meant to be
                    On the contrary, the troops received a well-known order to prevent provocations.

                    Yes Well, here are directives like
                    TsAMO, f.344, op. 5564, d.1, pp. 34-35. Script.
                    DIRECTIVE OF THE STAFF OF THE BALTIC SPECIAL MILITARY DISTRICT

                    18th of June 1941

                    In order to quickly bring the theater of military operations of the district to combat readiness, I ORDER:

                    4. The commander of the 8 and 11 armies:

                    a) determine the points of organization of field depots, anti-personnel mines, explosives and anti-personnel barriers on the site of each army for the purpose of establishing certain barriers specified in the plan. The indicated property shall be concentrated in organized warehouses by 21.6.41;

                    b) to set up minefields, determine the composition of the teams, where to allocate them from, and their work plan. All this through the beginning of the border divisions;

                    c) proceed to the procurement of scrap materials (rafts, barges, etc.) for arranging crossings across the Viliya, Nevyazha and Dubiss rivers. Crossing points set in conjunction with the operational department of the district headquarters.

                    The 30th and 4th pontoon regiments subordinate to the military council of the 11th Army. Shelves have in full readiness for building bridges across the river. Neman. Next to the exercises, check the condition of building bridges with these regiments, having achieved the minimum execution time;

                    f) the commander of the forces of the 8th and 11th armies - with the goal of destroying the most important bridges in the lane: the state border and the rear line of Šiauliai, Kaunas, p. The Neman will reconcile these bridges, determine for each of them the number of explosives, the demolition teams and concentrate all means for demolition at the nearest points from them. The plan for the destruction of bridges to approve the military council of the army.

                    Deadline 21.6.41.

                    7. The commander of the army and the head of the ABTV district.

                    To create separate tank platoons at the expense of each vehicle, using for this purpose the installation of containers on trucks, the number of individual platoons to be created is 4. Completion date is 23.6.41 g. These separate platoons in the amount of mobile reserve should be kept: Telshay, Siauliai, Keidany, Ionova at the disposal of army commanders.

                    e) Select from among the parts of the okrug (except for mechanized and aviation) gas tanks and transfer them at 50 percent. in 3 and 12 microns. Duration 21.6.41 g .;

                    f) Take all measures to provide each machine and tractor with spare parts, and through the head of the OST with accessories for refueling machines (funnels, buckets).

                    Commander Pribovo
                    Colonel General KUZNETSOV

                    Member of the military council
                    cabinet
                    Commissioner DIBROV

                    Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Klenov


                    1. +2
                      5 January 2016 22: 36
                      DIRECTIVE OF THE STAFF OF THE BALTIC SPECIAL MILITARY DISTRICT

                      19th of June 1941

                      1. To control the equipment of the defense line. Emphasis on the preparation of positions on the main page of the UR, the work on which to strengthen.

                      2. In the assumption to finish the work. But to occupy the positions of the assumption only in case of violation by the enemy of the state border.

                      In order to ensure quick occupation of positions both in the forefield and [in] the main defensive zone, the corresponding units must be perfectly alert.

                      In the area behind their positions, check the reliability and speed of communication with border units.

                      3. Particular attention should be paid so that there is no provocation and panic in our units, to strengthen the control of combat readiness. Everything to do without noise, firmly, calmly. Each commander and political worker soberly understand the situation.

                      4. Establish minefields according to the plan of the army commander, where they should stand according to the plan of defensive construction. Pay attention to complete secrecy for the rival and security for their parts. Blockages and other anti-tank obstacles to create according to the plan of the army commander, also according to the plan of defensive construction.

                      5. Shtarm, corps and divisions - at their own command posts, which will provide the VET by decision of the respective commander.

                      6. Our retractable units must go to their shelter areas. Take into account the increasing incidence of flights of the state border by German aircraft.

                      7. Continue to aggressively replenish parts with fire supplies and other types of supplies.

                      Persistently put together units on the march and on the spot.

                      Commander Pribovo Head of Department

                      Colonel General KUZNETSOV political propaganda ASH

                      Chief of Staff Lieutenant General KLENOV

                      TsAMO, f. 344, op. 5564. d. 1, l. 34-35. Script.

                      TsAMO, f.344, op. 5564, d.1, l. 16. The original.

                      Report to the Commander of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet, Commander of the Leningrad
                      AND BALTIC SPECIAL
                      MILITARY DISTRICTS, HEAD OF THE BORDER

                      20th of June 1941

                      Since 19.6.41, KBF units have been put on alert according to plan N2, deployed a command post, and patrol service has been strengthened at the mouth of the Gulf of Finland and the Irbensky Strait.

                      KBF Commander
                      Vice Admiral TRIBUTS

                      TsAMO, f.221, op. 1394, d.2, l. 59. Script.
                      Of course, we can assume that this is an initiative on the ground, only for this we need to smoke a lot of fiction Yes
                      1. 0
                        8 January 2016 00: 35
                        Of course, one can assume that this is a local initiative.

                        They do not read it, too hard for a soft mind. Better than 50 million according to Solzhenitsyn, it’s easier, you don’t have to think! This is the Nobel laureate !!!
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              2. +12
                5 January 2016 20: 36
                Hitler officially appointed the date of the attack only on June 10, 1941, before that there was no exact date. And our intelligence found out about this and on June 18, 1941 there was a telephone message from the General Staff in the district about the secretly bringing the troops into combat readiness, which indicated the date of the MOST PROBABLY ATTACK on JUNE 22, 1941. From the depths of the country reserves began to draw.
                Now try to answer the question why the commander of the western district met Pavlov on June 22 at the theater, and not at the headquarters in the army?
                Why did the soldiers of the Brest Fortress meet the war in bunks, not trenches?
                Why Zhukov and Tymoshenko acted according to the plan of defeat of Tukhachevsky and concentrated the main forces on the Kiev direction and to the south? Why did the General Staff with Zhukov and Tymoshenko not keep records of the reserves nominated from the depths and why was the plan for the transfer of troops and material support fulfilled by less than 20%? Stalin, that he had to do everything himself everywhere?
                And about Stalin's depression at the beginning of the war, look at the journal of Stalin's visits. He holds 15 - 20 meetings a day with leaders of various levels - is this depression in your opinion? He was probably engaged in transferring the country to a war footing.
                And don't read Wikipedia, read learned historians.
            3. +3
              5 January 2016 19: 34
              He would have predicted the beginning of the war, that would be great
              Carry naive, dear. In general, the date was predicted, despite the huge shaft of conflicting information. (Moreover, 100% knew that the Germans were not ready and were not preparing for the winter war.) The order to prepare for repelling the strike passed on the 20 number. Almost the entire army began to move to the border in another week. The Black Sea Fleet on the first day of the war did not lose a single unit and met German aviation in the 3,30 22 with dense fire. Waited all night. In another two weeks, trains from Brest went east, clogged to failure. Understand that it would very little change. By the beginning of 1942, there was no surprise anymore, the troops were in normal densities, so what? The defeats were even greater than in 1941. It is not a surprise at all. The point is completely different.
              1. -4
                5 January 2016 20: 35
                Quote: Prophetic
                You are naive, dear.

                Have you watched the movie "Brest Fortress"? This is on the very border with Poland where the Germans have created a huge foothold, you have to be especially gifted to think for so long that this is some kind of provocation.
                And on the 20th it is already "in pig's voices" that is, very late.
                Quote: Prophetic
                On the first day of the war, the Black Sea Fleet did not lose a single unit and met the German aviation at 3,30 on the 22nd with the densest fire.

                A bad example, since Kuznetsov decided that it was better to perebzdit than not to bezdet, disobeyed Stalin and put the fleet on alert, and he was right.
                1. +4
                  5 January 2016 22: 26
                  And on the 20th it is already "in pig's voices" that is, very late.
                  Well, of course, now everyone is strong in hindsight. NOT having a special understanding of the situation at that time. You know, for example, WHY Stalin was so afraid that the Germans would accuse him of preparing for war? Well, tell us ...
                  Talk late. And when is it not too late? Name the number. And what had to be done? And would that help a lot? Again. 1942 there was no surprise. Densities in the troops were normal. Did it help us much? Even if we knew exactly where, when, and by what forces the Germans would start, this would only reduce the losses of the first week of the war and nothing more. Nothing would change radically. They would still have reached Moscow, but a week later.
                  A bad example, since Kuznetsov decided that it was better to stay long than not, he disobeyed Stalin
                  Kuznetsov did not disobey Stalin, but complied with the order.
                2. +2
                  6 January 2016 07: 27
                  Using modern films to study the war like that ... Did he tell you himself that he disobeyed Stalin?
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2016 09: 45
                    Quote: Scraptor
                    Did he tell you himself that he disobeyed Stalin?

                    Maybe "disobeyed" and a somewhat incorrect expression, say, he took personal initiative.
                    Quote: Scraptor
                    Using modern films to study the war like that ..

                    I do not watch either new or old films about the war and have not watched "Brest Fortress", I remembered about this film only to determine the place of concentration of German troops.
                    1. 0
                      8 January 2016 03: 18
                      Even a private on duty should show this personal initiative.
                3. 0
                  6 January 2016 18: 28
                  Who is the Chief of the General Staff? Zhukov G.K. So, the performers are on the ground, and Zhukov.
              2. -1
                5 January 2016 21: 46
                There was no surprise? Then tell us where the almost twofold advantage of our troops in tanks and planes on the western border happened before the start of the war. Or do you not know how many vehicles and aircraft were destroyed and captured by the Nazis in the first hours and days of the war?
                1. +1
                  6 January 2016 02: 24
                  There was no surprise? Then tell us where the almost twofold advantage of our troops in tanks and planes on the western border happened before the start of the war.
                  And where did it come from, is this a twofold advantage? Wind blew? Or wandered itself? After all, in your opinion, everything was suddenly. How did they end up there? Maybe, by order? BUT? And consequently, the attack was not accidental at all, right? They were waiting for someone there, and even the number, according to you, (in fact, this is not so), TWO TIMES more than the Germans.
                  Or do you not know how many vehicles and aircraft were destroyed and captured by the Nazis in the first hours and days of the war?
                  In total, the USSR had 10,500 aircraft at the beginning of the war. On the first day, airfields for various estimates were destroyed from 600 to 800 aircraft. It's a lot. Yes. But again, the question arises. But how did such a large number of aircraft appear at the very border? After all, the Germans, in your opinion, were not expected. So what did they do there?
                  After the first day, we still have 9700 aircraft against 3500 German. These 9700 were lost in the next 1,5 months of the war, when there was no more surprise. Like the vast majority of tanks were not lost on the first day of the war, but in the subsequent TWO MONTHS of retreat, when there was again NO suddenness. Moreover, most of them were not lost in battle, but were simply abandoned due to lack of fuel. So what about the crucial role of surprise? lol
                  1. +2
                    6 January 2016 07: 49
                    At the main airfields in the first hours of the war, about 80% of Soviet aircraft of the Western Military District were destroyed, which someone concentrated back there from field airfields, ordered the removal and verification of their weapons, the engine bulkhead and the withdrawal of anti-aircraft artillery covering the airfields to the training grounds for "exercises". And this someone was from the headquarters of the Western Military District and not Stalin at all.
                    In other districts this did not happen on a similar scale, so the Germans there did not advance as quickly as in Belarus and the Baltic states.

                    There the account went to many thousands and not to hundreds of aircraft destroyed by the Germans,
                    Are you the border with a revenge-hungry Turkey and Germany's ally Japan, as well as Iran through which the British (like the French from Syria) were just going to strike the Caucasian oil fields from Iraq just before that? After all, the USSR did not oppose the 3rd Reich one-on-one, but alone (with Mongolia) opposed the 3rd Reich and the entire united Europe with the Japanese Empire. With which the SGA was not at war and Great Britain was, see the Nazis in a state of the same "slightly strange war."

                    You see, in the English Covenry during the whole war, only a little more than 500 people died, this is never Siege Leningad.
                    1. -1
                      7 January 2016 18: 24
                      There, the bill went to many thousands and not hundreds of planes destroyed by the Germans
                      I do not quite understand: there, where is it? If in ZapVO, then the GENERAL number of aircraft on 21 on June was equal to 1539. What many thousands are we talking about?
                      On the first day of ZapVO killed 738 aircraft, of which aerodromes 528 machines
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            4. 0
              5 January 2016 21: 11
              6. findings

              As a result, we have:

              First, the growth of contradictions within the capitalist environment; the necessity for capitalism of a new redivision of the world through war; the interventionist tendencies of one part of the capitalist world, led by England; the unwillingness of the other part of the capitalist world to get involved in the war with the USSR, which prefers to establish economic ties with it; the presence of a struggle between these two tendencies and the well-known opportunity for the USSR to take these contradictions into account in order to preserve peace. ""

              2-19 December 1927

              POLITICAL REPORT OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE

              http://www.hrono.ru/libris/stalin/10-13.html
            5. +1
              5 January 2016 21: 32
              saturn.mmm BY Today, 18:33 ↑
              Quote: FiremamRescueS
              But not many are able to appreciate the "stubborn soothsayer"!
              He would have predicted the beginning of the war, that would have been great. "" Since 1927, Stalin has been talking about the war. The future war... Read .. STALIN I.V. REPORTING REPORT TO THE XVII CONGRESS OF THE PARTY ON THE WORK OF THE VKP (b) Central Committee
              January 26, 1934 evening session.
              http://www.hrono.info/dokum/1934vkpb17/1_2_1.php

              !!! "" In this connection, the victory of fascism in Germany must be regarded not only as a sign of the weakness of the working class and the result of the betrayal of the social democracy to the working class, which cleared the way for fascism. It should also be considered as a sign of the weakness of the bourgeoisie, as a sign that the bourgeoisie is no longer able to rule the old methods of parliamentarism and bourgeois democracy, and therefore it is forced to resort to terrorist methods of government in domestic politics - as a sign that it is not in forces to find a way out of the current situation on the basis of a peaceful foreign policy, which is why it is forced to resort to the policy of war.
              This is the position.
              As you see, things are moving towards a new imperialist war as a way out of the present situation.
              «»
              Better to read it yourself. For your development .. there are many interesting things
              1. -2
                6 January 2016 00: 38
                Quote: 222222
                As you see, things are moving towards a new imperialist war as a way out of the present situation.

                And therefore, Stalin provided Hitler with all kinds of assistance after the Germans were crushed by the Versailles Peace Treaty, maybe he was preparing for the Allies, but that was not destiny.
                People have read some fairy tales about Stalin and raise him to the rank of a saint, would you build a normal state for people in Russia and not for idols, or else the whole history on the same rake, then Ivan the Terrible and then the "Time of Troubles" then Stalin and then "perestroika" and the collapse of the state, it might be better to slowly make your country better and better without leaders, start with yourself, your family, you look the ice will break.
                1. +4
                  6 January 2016 01: 08
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  And therefore, Stalin provided Hitler with all kinds of assistance after the Germans were crushed by the Versailles Peace Treaty, maybe he was preparing for the Allies, but that was not destiny.
                  People have read some fairy tales about Stalin and raise him to the rank of a saint, would you build a normal state for people in Russia and not for idols, or else the whole history on the same rake, then Ivan the Terrible and then the "Time of Troubles" then Stalin and then "perestroika" and the collapse of the state, it might be better to slowly make your country better and better without leaders, start with yourself, your family, you look the ice will break.


                  You've read popular literature along the way. What do you mean by a normal state? Belarus? Germany? USA? Any state has a structure due to geographical, ethnographic, historical factors. And it is quite normal from the point of view of this state. Countries cannot be made without leaders. Without leaders, they fall apart and are plundered by countries that have leaders. The strong will always devour the weak with great appetite. And then she will write an essay on the topic "political gastronomy and digestive problems"
                2. 0
                  6 January 2016 07: 21
                  This was done by the Trotskyists whom Stalin shot, which is why the war began. bully
                3. -1
                  7 January 2016 19: 55
                  And therefore, Stalin rendered all assistance to Hitler after the Germans were crushed by the Versailles Peace Treaty, maybe he was preparing for the allies, but it wasn’t fate
                  God, what nonsense! Stalin could not help Hitler after Versailles, because he was in 1919 and Hitler was nobody at that time and there was no way to call him! The USSR collaborated with Germany until 33, because it was a normal democratic state that recognized the USSR. Immediately after Hitler came to power, trade with Germany fell 10 times! But with the USA, England and France began to grow exponentially!
            6. +1
              5 January 2016 21: 33
              Even if Stalin knew the real start of the war, the country still did not have time to re-equip the army. And the losses were almost the same. He just tried his best to delay this beginning and not provoke the Germans.
        3. +2
          5 January 2016 18: 12
          Quote: Sharapov
          in blood the people redeemed, all the same - great.

          Who are you talking about, about Peter the Great?
        4. +11
          5 January 2016 18: 17
          Quote: Sharapov
          And it is not necessary for the faithful Stalinist to read the article.

          I agree. And you wouldn't read ...
          Quote: Sharapov
          The main thing is to be the first to inherit in the comments with an empty phrase.

          Who are you talking about ??? And about what specific phrases? Already about anger. what is not necessary to read?
          Quote: Sharapov
          I saw a holy profile - and in ecstasy.

          It's right. Unfortunately, I agree with you in many respects, this fact takes place. But only Stalin, communist propaganda and old people who have gone out of their minds least of all have to do with this action ...
          Blame EBN for this. his faithful Gaidarites, Chubaisiks and others ...
          This is what the Motherland has to be brought to. For many, I.V. Stalin ...
          No orthodox Bolsheviks could dream of such a thing in the USSR of the late period ...
          Quote: Sharapov
          And it doesn't matter that the aforementioned soothsayer fought the greatest war, he atoned for the people in blood, all the same - great.

          Be careful here.
          And how they will begin to compare the war years with the 1990s, how they will calculate the irrecoverable loss of population as a result of economic "reforms", how they will remember the standard of living in the USSR according to UN indicators ...
          The clicker will certainly not be I.V. Stalin,
          who went down in history as bloody there will also be multi-vector disputes,
          but the greatness from I.V. Stalin really does not take away.

          PS
          Personally, I am a fan of I.V. I am not Stalin.
          I would very much like that what V.V. Putin, someone else with a different surname would already have done it ... You really want to replace power.
          But facts and social phenomena need to be assessed in deeds, and not to procrastinate the same postulates forever and tediously.
        5. 0
          5 January 2016 18: 22
          Sharapov! DO NOT marry your great name with the Liberals, before you write, look at the root ...
        6. +4
          5 January 2016 19: 04
          So they didn’t fight for the mustache katsoshka, not for fear, but for conscience ..... They fought for the Motherland ... Clever Hitler multiplied the Germans by almost zero. And those who are now on the horse won .... World bigwigs ...... And they have ideology and patriotism. They even have a god-fuck .... For they have one god. A golden calf. And do not care how many people will eat. It’s not painful for them themselves .... And no these ghouls are neither a homeland, nor a flag. And only Russia, notice not the oligarchs and not the huskish domineering, but the people, the simple Russian people who are alien to this all, in general, everything ... will break their spine. Therefore, they shout about savages and cattle .. . It is frightening for them ... And there is someone like Putin. Not a great mind, but possessing a Russian character, whom this people supported breaks the backbone of these vampires ... Being on the edge of the attack, knowing that there is a huge force behind you that no one has for centuries I could not break it, it is honorable and responsible ... Death is red on the world. So it doesn’t matter whether it is Putin or Stalin. They could take the reins and rule correctly .... And God bless them ... And we all too. .And empty l our heart will not freeze or tremble.
        7. 0
          5 January 2016 19: 22
          Probably the almighty Stalin who can also fiction for everything, and the rest were responsible for what. At the end, a list of leaders by name ... "Together with Trotsky": the origins of the "purges of 1937" in the Red Army. http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/istoriya_rossii/vmeste_s_trockim_istoki_chist
          ok_1937_goda_v_krasnoy_armii /
        8. 0
          5 January 2016 19: 53
          Record minuses 'but I agree with you. All the Stalinists would be thrown for at least a month at that time' and then ask so what.
          1. +2
            5 January 2016 20: 55
            Quote: brother2
            Record minuses 'but I agree with you. All the Stalinists would be thrown for at least a month at that time' and then ask so what.

            what’s there, so 90% would go to Siberian construction sites because of the remaining 10
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        10. +2
          5 January 2016 20: 24
          Quote: Sharapov
          the great soothsayer flashed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood,


          Clicked - this is if lost! And he won!
          No doubt, the price was high - but the war cost the Europeans much cheaper simply because they merged instantly (only the brazen ones, as usual, saved the straits from the occupation). Still, the Germans were excellent soldiers, and to deny this = is to belittle the significance of our Victory!
        11. +7
          5 January 2016 21: 21
          Quote: Sharapov

          And reading the article to a faithful Stalinist is not necessary. The main thing is to be the first to inherit the empty phrase in the comments. I saw the holy profile - and in ecstasy. And do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood, all the same - the great one.

          You shouldn’t be so, dear Alexander, it seems like 5 days have passed since the meeting of the new year, and the pairs of bacchus still remained.
      2. -28
        5 January 2016 17: 40
        Quote: Tjeck
        To tell you the truth, I haven’t heard anything about this interview before,

        His fans posted it on the Stalinist forum back in 1998. There is such a forum that it wasn’t ascribed the victory over Napoleon to Stalin.
        For the communists to shout, no more.
        Here is this forum, attendance of 2000 people a month. They want to unwind and concoct such things there belay ...... and he carved with his eyes sparks and clouds spread his hands.
        http://stalinism.ru/dokumentyi.html
        1. -19
          5 January 2016 18: 43
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          For the communists to shout, no more.
          This is the forum, the attendance of 2000 people in a month.
          http://stalinism.ru/dokumentyi.html

          5 POINTS! Thank you for exposing good But here we have a small contingent (Stalinists) who even ssy in the eyes, all God's dew laughing
          1. +10
            5 January 2016 18: 55
            Quote: GSH-18
            But here we have a small contingent (Stalinists) who even ssy in the eyes, all God's dew

            and I’m neither one nor the other, I’m truly, but I don’t need to find the truth, now it’s possible, and then, my grandfather was still alive, he told me how they went to death with the name of Stalin (Faith was), let's just respect the old people have...
            1. -8
              5 January 2016 19: 04
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              I am for the truth, but to find the truth

              I completely agree with you. I am solely for the truth. Against the praise of those who, even under Khrushchev, were exposed and accused of repression and the cult of personality. That is, contemporaries themselves gave him an assessment, and his handy.
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              as with the name of Stalin went to death, (Faith was)

              You are confused. That is not faith. This is a cult of personality of Stalin. The power of propaganda and the NKVD punitive machine did all this to people.
              1. Alf
                +3
                5 January 2016 19: 44
                Quote: GSH-18
                cult of personality. That is, contemporaries themselves gave him an assessment, and his handy.

                True, but there was another assessment - There was a cult, but there was a personality.
              2. -2
                5 January 2016 20: 42
                Quote: GSH-18
                Against the praise of those who, even under Khrushchev, were exposed and accused of repression and the cult of personality. That is, contemporaries themselves gave him an assessment, and his handy.


                Most adequate he was assessed by one of his contemporary in 1958: "70% of achievements, 30% of errors"ChSKh, at present, the activities of this contemporary of his (Mao, if you are not aware) in his homeland are officially assessed in the same way as he assessed Stalin's activities - and in my opinion, too quite adequate!
              3. +1
                6 January 2016 00: 09
                Khrushchev himself in those years not badly ruled. therefore, he sang from the rostrum loudest about pro-personality. Stalin them. for local repression. began to push. Yes, a double edged sword. Again repression.
              4. 0
                6 January 2016 19: 02
                Khrushchev credibility for you? Well then on the way.
          2. -5
            5 January 2016 19: 07
            Quote: GSH-18
            But here we have a small contingent (Stalinists) who even ssy in the eyes, all God's dew

            Small bug, but smelly! Look like all sane cons cons! Why is there no rebuff, because there are a lot of smart people on the site - are they shy? request
            1. +2
              6 January 2016 11: 46
              Quote: Bayonet
              smart people

              You won’t praise yourself ... laughing And by the way, who is smart? Those who broadcast that under Stalin everything was done by itself and in spite of it, and Stalin sat smoking a pipe and doing repressions? smile
          3. -4
            5 January 2016 20: 01
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For the communists to shout, no more.
            This is the forum, the attendance of 2000 people in a month.
            http://stalinism.ru/dokumentyi.html

            5 POINTS! Thank you for exposing good But here we have a small contingent (Stalinists) who even ssy in the eyes, all God's dew laughing

            Plus, but there are more minuses, I don’t know why
          4. 0
            5 January 2016 21: 22
            Quote: GSH-18
            But here we have a small contingent (Stalinists) who even ssy in the eyes, all God's dew

            That's just why it is difficult to discuss with them ..... stubborn like sheep, in a word idolaters.
            1. +1
              6 January 2016 19: 05
              At the expense of the rams, we must somehow be careful.
        2. +6
          5 January 2016 19: 00
          Well, of course, yes, it often brings people to extremes - especially Russian laughing But nevertheless, I wanted to show the history of Stalin's time objectively, there were certainly innocent victims, there were mistakes, but it’s easy to forget and there were no fewer positive moments.
          1. 0
            6 January 2016 11: 55
            Quote: Tjeck
            Well, of course, yes, it often brings people to extremes - especially Russian laughing But nevertheless, I wanted to show the history of Stalin's time objectively, there were certainly innocent victims, there were mistakes, but it’s easy to forget and there were no fewer positive moments.

            Dear, the question is not what was more and what is less. The question is HOW it was done and at the expense of WHO and WHAT !!! And here are the facts, documented, confirming how, for the sake of Stalin’s political ambitions, the engineering color of the nation was DESTROYED! Units of survivors worked in sharashka (everyone knows their names, for example, Tupolev, Korolev, Sakharov and many many others)! And along the way, in the bowels of the gulag, MILLIONS of ordinary citizens perished, from overwork and executions! This is how things really are sad A neo-Stalinist minus sign only confirms my innocence Yes
            1. 0
              7 January 2016 19: 23
              A minuscule neostalinist only confirms my right
              You see, my friend, they would give you advantages if you even said a word of truth. Well, at least something. And so only illiterate lying nonsense and slogans.
              DESTROYED NATIONAL engineering COLOR! Units of survivors worked in sharashka
              At 1913 in Russia there were 63 higher education institutions and 71ty people studied in them. In 1940 817 Universities and 812thousands of students, i.e. an increase of 12 times. Only in 9 years from 1930 to 1939 the number of schoolchildren and teachers increased by three. And all this taking into account the fact that more than half of people with higher education went to civilian. In no country in the world has there been such an increase in education. Stalin did not destroy, but in fact created on a bare ground a huge scientific school that launched the first man into space, created the world's first nuclear power plants, nuclear ships, a thermonuclear bomb, accelerators, computers, etc. And it’s ridiculous to compare science under socialism and crap.
        3. +1
          5 January 2016 21: 21
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Itata: Tjeck
          To tell you the truth, I haven’t heard anything about this interview before,
          His fans posted it on the Stalinist forum back in 1998. There is such a forum that it wasn’t ascribed the victory over Napoleon to Stalin.

          Now Stalin is credited with the gift of prophecy. laughing
      3. +20
        5 January 2016 17: 44
        Quote: Tjeck
        I remember how back in the early 2000s, everyone shouted about the tyranny of Stalin, but history still heals people ..

        History is cyclical, and depends on current realities. At the moment, most people have the opinion that Stalin will come to power and the following will begin: all bureaucrats (who are not clean at hand) are completely transplanted for long periods, and some people are shot, oligarchs do not have time to get scared and get on a plane as they are captured and we will look at this and clap our hands, budget money (instead of settling in banks abroad) will be divided equally among everyone and everything will be in chocolate. Plants will smoke immediately and here and there, annoying guests of both capitals will disperse to their places of residence (where prestigious work will be waiting for them). Noisy villages, state farms, cows, potatoes, etc. The birth rate will increase ...

        This is great comrades, BUT I would have to tighten my belts more tightly. You would recall the sanctions as childish anxieties. You do not think that Comrade Stalin would ask only from the rich? Comrade Stalin would ask every citizen, and he would have to plow not on a vacation trip to a warm country, not on a new iPhone, not on a better car, but for the good of his MOTHERLAND and future generations! Five-year-old way to three belts tighten, huh? And by the way, it’s not a fact that your grandchildren will not drift what you plow over these years of hard work. I am for Stalin, but still let us look soberly.
        1. +8
          5 January 2016 19: 24
          Quote: Alexej
          Comrade Stalin would ask every citizen, and he wouldn’t have to plow on a vacation trip to a warm country,

          Maybe you don’t remember, but I remember very well the short time of Andropov. And with what delight and pleasure the men told each other about the Andropov buses, collecting people on the streets during working hours to find out what they were doing. Then there was one main idea in the hard workers - finally the owner came and put things in order! And they perceived the tightening of nuts and the punishment for being late was very understanding.
          The people always supported a rigid internal system of power. Such a system guarantees the people the preservation of it as a single community. Here instincts work, not reason.
          1. +1
            5 January 2016 19: 42
            Quote: Stranger
            And they perceived the tightening of nuts and the punishment for being late was very understanding.

            You did not understand me, I wrote about the fact that I doubt the jubilation of our present society with a strict restriction of consumer ambitions - which in Russian into Russian means "work for food and cuffs."
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 00: 37
              Excuse me. Really did not understand. Well, about
              Quote: Alexej
              work for food and cuffs. "

              - here, I think, you are wrong. It was this willingness to plow and cough up blood for the sake of preserving their fatherland that the Russians always differed. When everything is smooth - yawn sweetly on the stove and eat kalachi. As he presses - with corpses the earth is stele, but we are not surrendering the country. And it does not depend on who is in power. The authorities often used this and will continue to use it. The main thing is that you have your own power, not a seated one.
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          3. +2
            5 January 2016 19: 54
            Quote: Stranger
            Maybe you don’t remember, but I remember very well the short time of Andropov. And with what delight and pleasure the peasants told each other about the Andropov buses, collecting people on the streets during working hours to find out what they are doing
            I also remember this time and could give an example that men and women talked about this at our work, although the site rules do not allow! And your "with delight" - at the party meeting? This is where hypocrisy and double standards flourished!
            Quote: Stranger
            The people always supported a rigid internal system of power. Such a system guarantees the people the preservation of it as a single community. Here instincts work, not reason.

            When a person lives by instincts, and not by reason, he is either muzzled to the bestial state or dull! hi
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 00: 48
              Party and then and now I do not like. And any parties, as a type of organization. And he talked with peasants in the workshop and in the brewery. Maybe you have at work and so the women said. So there is nothing to hang around the streets during working hours.
          4. +2
            5 January 2016 21: 05
            Quote: Stranger
            Quote: Alexej
            Comrade Stalin would ask every citizen, and he wouldn’t have to plow on a vacation trip to a warm country,

            Maybe you don’t remember, but I remember very well the short time of Andropov. And with what delight and pleasure the men told each other about the Andropov buses, collecting people on the streets during working hours to find out what they were doing. Then there was one main idea in the hard workers - finally the owner came and put things in order! And they perceived the tightening of nuts and the punishment for being late was very understanding.
            The people always supported a rigid internal system of power. Such a system guarantees the people the preservation of it as a single community. Here instincts work, not reason.

            dill are jumping right now "Bender will put things in order"
          5. +7
            5 January 2016 21: 38
            Yes, I remember this time. Caught working in movie theaters, demanded certificates from the vacationers from work .... Ordinary Russian nonsense
      4. +11
        5 January 2016 18: 04
        Quote: Tjeck
        Surprised by the geeks who know how to read the article in one minute.

        Article 40 lines. Personally, I need 20 seconds to read. happens to think from 10 seconds to several minutes. If the article rests on long-considered - the answer comes instantly after reading. Is your curiosity satisfied?
      5. +4
        5 January 2016 18: 40
        Quote: Tjeck
        Surprised by the geeks who know how to read the article in one minute.

        you are too young ... I'm used to it. Yes
    3. -39
      5 January 2016 17: 13
      Quote: Pharao7766
      Missing you, really missing you ...

      Speak for yourself! For all it is not necessary! hi
    4. +27
      5 January 2016 17: 16
      Quote: Pharao7766
      We miss you, miss you ...

      I agree with you, but you won’t return it; time cannot be stopped. hi
      1. +46
        5 January 2016 17: 35
        Quote: vlad66
        I agree with you, but you won’t return it; time cannot be stopped.

        That’s the right time to not turn back and stop, so we all need to move forward. Those who wish to go through my archive of comments in my profile, there I already talked about my grandfathers of the war veterans and their attitude towards Stalin, so I won’t repeat myself. But grandfather laid in me a lifelong attitude towards Stalin and no perestroika and reforms will shake him. Minuses are welcome.
      2. +2
        5 January 2016 17: 59
        Quote: vlad66
        I agree with you, but you won’t return it; time cannot be stopped.
        - I agree with all the comments for Stalin, but, to be honest, I didn't quite understand the article. I thought that Stalin fought world imperialism, and had to fight Nazism. And the SABJ claims that Zionism was Stalin's main headache. What kind of animal is this? Can anyone explain in a nutshell? I would be grateful ... I am especially interested in the interpretation of opponents from Israel. We know their opinion about Putin, they use any excuse to speak out about the leader of Russia on the Russian website, but now we ask them to express what they think about SABZh and at the same time enlighten what "Zionism" is and how to deal with it? As I understand it, Stalin, despite all his greatness, did not manage to defeat this beast, because of this, this struggle is still relevant, so let the Israelis prompt ... Otherwise, they advise advising where they are not asked, here let them advise when asked.
    5. +26
      5 January 2016 17: 30
      It's not about Stalin ... It's about the system! Thank God that under our terry capitalism, when private property, even acquired by outright theft and murder, for many people in Russia already prevails over universal values, there is still power in the person of GDP ... Stalin, became Stalin under socialism - the country made a giant step forward, but then Khrushchev came, becoming Gorbachev’s forerunner, in a way ... Changed the system to please the West, put Yeltsin on his neck and a little full p ..., the country didn’t come! They sold everything ... Someone there at the top realized it and the GDP came - but in the conditions of the Western model of democracy, even if you really want to do something right for the people, you can only do it by 10%! Not his fault, but the system ... That's the question!
    6. -15
      5 January 2016 17: 34
      Stalin’s amazingly accurate predictions about Russia

      What the hell??? When did Stalin predict something? Why invent or attract by ear? That's just funny! Fortune-teller leader fool
      Article in the trash-information bullshit.
      1. +1
        5 January 2016 20: 09
        And it also seems to me that the author himself invented all this bullshit. The fee was probably needed before the New Year!
    7. 0
      5 January 2016 17: 41
      Even in Georgia, Dzhugashvili (Stalin) spoke closely with Gurdjieff, a famous esotericist, perhaps practiced together, I think from there the insight and psychological literacy of Stalin.
      1. 0
        5 January 2016 17: 44
        ShturmKGB
        Back in Georgia, Dzhugashvili (Stalin) was in close contact with Gurdjieff, a famous esotericist, perhaps practiced together

        Oh yo, this is how to milk to such laughing
        1. +1
          5 January 2016 18: 42
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Oh yo, this is how to milk to such

          I don’t know how with the esoterics, but I finished the theological seminary and could preach sermons.
      2. -29
        5 January 2016 18: 00
        ShturmKGB
        , I think from there the insight and psychological literacy of Stalin.

        We have seen this insight. Half the country in the gulag for a plate of balandy, the country was rising from its knees. Insight is top grade. I definitely don’t need that. Another interesting point, the site talked a lot about the industrialization carried out by Stalin.
        So, I recently found out, THIS and industrialization was carried out later, due to the supply of equipment and technologies for lend-lease, and transported captured equipment from Nazi Germany. There are plenty of examples. Until now, places of German machine tools and equipment are working. So that. For some reason, all the pluses of the country's development are attributed to Stalin alone. request My opinion is that he participated in this indirectly. And such public opinion is the consequences of the Cult of Personality. Just like now in North Korea.
        Do you want to feel about what Stalinism is? Here drive to North Korea, and see how ordinary people survive there. And then wipe the snot on Stalin. You can minus. I have said everything.
        1. +3
          5 January 2016 18: 59
          Quote: GSH-18
          REAL industrialization was carried out later

          And some before.
          For example, the Kirov factory.
          October 24 (November 5), 1872, the charter of the Society of Putilovskiy Zavody [8] was highly approved, the capital of the company was determined at 8 million rubles. The company consisted of 6 plants, 4 in Finland, and 2 (rail and mechanical) in the same place as the St. Petersburg Iron Foundry. In 1874, the production of freight cars began, in 1888 - passenger cars. After the death of N.I. Putilov (1880), the construction of the destroyers and ship’s tower guns for battleships began at the plant. In 1893, steam locomotive construction began. The plant produced machine tools, artillery shells, tool steel, excavators, dredgers, water and land excavators, dredges for gold mines, cranes, crushing machines and many other types of products. In 1900, the Putilov factory took first place in terms of production among Russian metallurgical and engineering plants, and in Western Europe it was second only to the Krupp plants in Germany and Armstrong in England.
        2. +7
          5 January 2016 20: 08
          The country’s gender in the gulag lifted the country from its knees

          Stupid, illiterate lie! In the terrible 1937 the total number of ALL ZK (both convicts and "political") was 1,5 million (1% of the country's population) people. There are more than 2 million people in the modern USA. Where are the cries of bloody liberals? Where did you see half of the country?
          recently found out, THIS and industrialization was carried out later, due to the supply of equipment and technologies for lendlization
          Apparently, you generally began to learn at least something quite recently. wink Nonsense, of course, sheer. When the Germans came to Donbas and saw the smoke of plants from horizon to horizon, they precipitated. They had nothing similar. What do you think created for 1941 1,5 thousand T-34 - the best tank of the second world? In this tank alone there are several dozen unique inventions. And several hundred IS and HF, which Germany had no analogues at all, on what did they create? And only military aircraft more than 10,5 thousand against 3,5 thousand from the Germans? And Katyusha riveted on his knee?
          What technologies in Lend-Lease, what nonsense ?! Is it a carcass, or technology? Or aluminum, which they very willingly supplied to Hitler too? They supplied the PRODUCTS. No technology. And then only after they shuganuli from Moscow.
          1. +1
            6 January 2016 00: 57
            Quote: Prophetic
            Dumb, illiterate lodges!

            For those who are especially literate, "Lies" is written with a soft sign, I don't really care, but when someone is accused of stupidity and illiteracy, and at the same time they make mistakes it looks like it doesn't look very good.
            1. 0
              7 January 2016 20: 27
              Oh, my friend, did you find a mistake in the form of a soft sign with your grandfather? Well done, take a pie from the shelf. At least something, right? In the case, either you have a post or a lying nonsense. Though on a letter to recoup. It's a shame, right?
        3. +1
          5 January 2016 20: 19
          I gave you a plus, but for some reason it came out a minus, I completely agree with you. I read a lot of literature in my time, mainly memoirs for the war too. Yes, and with people who at that time lived a lot; they opened their eyes to a lot.
        4. +4
          5 January 2016 20: 35
          Quote: GSH-18
          Country gender in the gulag for a plate of balandy the country was rising from its knees


          Why the people do not believe you, liberals, it would be okay to lie one and a half or two times ... the measure should be known even in a lie! "Remember, children! Twice two will be 4, 5, 6, maximum - 10, but not 25!" laughing
          1. -2
            6 January 2016 12: 22
            Quote: Weyland
            Why people, liberals, do not believe you - it would be okay to lie one and a half to two times ... the measure must be known even in a lie!

            I'm not a liberal. I have never been and never will. But to govern the country, using the BLOOD of its own people to achieve all the goals, as did the adored by YOU, the neo-Stalinists, STALIN is an ordinary GENOCIDE. And there is NO excuse for the genocide of your own people! Stalin was branded by his contemporaries - he got everyone to the point of impossibility. And YOU are trying to create some kind of positive "halo" around this dictator fool Learn to use your own brains for assessment and analysis. This is very useful in order not to look like the NKVD-shny accomplices of this "leader of the peoples" in the eyes of his contemporaries! I'm looking forward to an avalanche of cons Yes Happy new year!
        5. 0
          5 January 2016 20: 35
          Quote: GSH-18
          Country gender in the gulag for a plate of balandy the country was rising from its knees


          Why the people do not believe you, liberals, it would be okay to lie one and a half or two times ... the measure should be known even in a lie! "Remember, children! Twice two will be 4, 5, 6, maximum - 10, but not 25!" laughing
      3. avt
        +6
        5 January 2016 18: 15
        ShturmKGB
        Back in Georgia, Dzhugashvili (Stalin) spoke closely with Gurdjieff, the famous esoteric

        Famous in narrow circles. laughing
        ShturmKGB
        , I think from there the insight and psychological literacy of Stalin.

        wassat In fact, Dzhugashvili / Stalin, thanks to the financial assistance of the great traveler / intelligence officer Przhevalsky - a well-known fact, received without any "exoteric practices" quite good-quality, cannot be compared with today's humanitarians and specialists in flying saucers and "esotericists", education up to up to the fourth year of the seminary. That is, in fact, he had an incomplete higher education. Further, only "introduction to the specialty" - dignity and work in the parish. He preferred to work at the meteorological station. Hence, from the basic education and practice of working with meteorological instruments, all literacy. Well, special thanks to the colonel of the gendarmerie and field scout Przhevalsky who was visiting the Georgian house acquaintances where Joseph's mother worked as a housekeeper, otherwise they would have got the hell of money to educate their son, so I would become a shoemaker, or an illiterate kinto.
        1. +2
          5 January 2016 18: 42
          Have you decided to demolish Przhevalsky as well? For what ?
          1. avt
            +2
            5 January 2016 19: 22
            Quote: KBR109
            Have you decided to demolish Przhevalsky as well? For what ?

            But did Przhevalsky in 1877 already be a major general and not a colonel? He seems to have become a general in 1886. Well, and so, in general, are you right - Iosif Dzhugashvili’s pension came from the major general, with his order and soul order.
      4. +3
        5 January 2016 20: 24
        Stalin did not communicate with any Gurdjieff. It's fake. The carpet seller, posing as a guru, a rogue Gurzhiev could not predict anything about himself. You would still be nonsense from "Rose of the World" remembered how Stalin was represented to one of the demiurges. wassat
    8. -23
      5 January 2016 17: 42
      I don’t know how inflated or underestimated the data on landings and the Holodomor during the time of Stalin, I don’t know how accurate the data on deaths and, in general, on the gulag and executions, but really need strong propaganda to ask for myself here !! It seems that the sheep are being slaughtered and she reads a prayer for the benefit of her shepherd)) fooled people heads!
      1. -21
        5 January 2016 17: 46
        Quote: shooter18
        ! It seems that the sheep are being slaughtered and she is reading a prayer for the benefit of her shepherd)) they fooled people!

        No, it’s just communist pensioners who take any article about Lenin and Stalin like that. Youth is generally sideways. And me too
        1. -2
          5 January 2016 18: 08
          Are you hanging out then? Vali.
        2. +1
          5 January 2016 20: 12
          The jackal will run right now.
        3. +2
          5 January 2016 21: 30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          No, here simply communist pensioners perceive any article about Lenin and Stalin

          Oh, how many more pagans in Russia!
      2. avt
        +5
        5 January 2016 19: 41
        Quote: shooter18
        I don’t know how inflated or underestimated the data on landings and the Holodomor during the time of Stalin, I don’t know how accurate the data on deaths and, in general, on the gulag and executions,

        NIODIN'S HUMAN DEFENDER, who wrote down kilometers of paper denouncing repressions, starting with Volkogonov, who had an admission in Soviet times, and ending with Solzhenitsyn, did not visit the Gulag Archive! And already at the time when it was OPENED! Well, there is no neatly kept records of various Solzhenitslesisvanidza surnames in the forms for issuing documents. Yes, and there are NO "memorialists" who have visited the archive! That is empty there in all 90s and zero of their names. And this is understandable - it is one thing to master a grant for "de-Stalinization", another thing to write truthful work referring to very specific documents.
        1. +1
          5 January 2016 20: 42
          Quote: avt
          NIODIN HUMAN RIGHTSHIPPERS who wrote down kilometers of paper in denouncing repressions, starting with Volkogonov, who had permission during the Soviet era, and ending with Solzhenitsyn, did not visit the Gulag Archive!

          Where does this awareness come from?
          1. avt
            +1
            5 January 2016 21: 17
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Where does this awareness come from?

            From people who visited the archive and who are familiar with the procedure for issuing archival documents, when they filled out forms indicating the purpose of obtaining documents, and since, like in ANY library, the forms are replaced as they are filled out, it is clearly by the DATE OF ISSUE who and when, and for what purpose took. Don't believe me? Come to Moscow, go to the archives, like writing a dissertation, and see for yourself. The prisoners were kept strictly and there were no fools in the VOKHR to take their place, but it is easier to invent stories about how corpses were rolled into the concrete of canals and write about the ZK cemeteries along the canal sidyuchi at the former nomenklatura dacha granted by EBN to the bank of this very canal and, like, right in this very mythical cemetery, declaring himself not even a writer - "chronicler", all the more so that there is no need to grumble with the distribution of his "chronicles" - they will publish at the expense of the treasury.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 01: 05
              Quote: avt
              From people, people visited the archive and were familiar with the procedure for issuing archival documents when they filled out forms indicating the purpose of obtaining documents, and since

              Thanks for the clarification, I agree with you on this issue, I just wanted more details.
              1. +1
                6 January 2016 02: 13
                And we can not visit the archives! In the area of ​​the Minsk ring road - Kurapaty ... we still ride over the bones ...
                What is it like? Is it by accident that people died from consumption? recourse
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 12: 57
                  Quote: combat66
                  What is it like? Is it by accident that people died from consumption?

                  It was the Polish officers who could not stand the harsh Belarusian climate and all wither away, Stalin did not even know about it.
      3. +1
        5 January 2016 21: 10
        Quote: shooter18
        the sheep are being slaughtered and she is praying for the benefit of her shepherd


        Shepherds - they are different ... Sheep, of course, they cut, how without it? Only thing in oh that in the absence of a shepherd, losses from wolves are much higher!
        "All, however many of them came before Me, are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not listen to them." (John 10: 8.)
    9. +3
      5 January 2016 17: 42
      Quote: Pharao7766
      Missing you, really missing you ...

      Anyone who remembers his story has a future.
      Living in the past, has no future. Got it?
      1. +6
        5 January 2016 18: 02
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Pharao7766
        Missing you, really missing you ...

        Anyone who remembers his story has a future.
        Living in the past has no future.


        I know other options:

        We question and interrogate the past so that it explains to us our present and hints about our future.


        Let a person use the past centuries as material on which the future grows ...

        what
      2. +1
        5 January 2016 18: 05
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Anyone who remembers his story has a future.
        Living in the past has no future.

        Absolutely. In order not to step on the same rake like Chingachguk Yes
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      4. +3
        5 January 2016 18: 35
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Anyone who remembers his story has a future.
        Living in the past has no future.

        And living today - has neither the past nor the future.
        1. +2
          5 January 2016 19: 26
          Quote: EvgNik
          And living today - has neither the past nor the future.

          Then you are already dead
    10. -14
      5 January 2016 17: 42
      The Russian people are a great people, it is indisputable, but it has one distinctive feature - an indestructible faith in a good tsar, even if this tsar has exterminated millions of his fellow citizens, he is still kind and great, only his surroundings are all corrupt and it’s mending tricks to the people. All these pop-up brides from where laudatory odes to Stalin at the current moment of our history fall into very favorable soil, and why? Yes, because there is an involuntary comparison of those leaders and that country with today and it seems that it is not in our favor, unfortunately, but maybe fortunately, time will tell.
      1. -1
        5 January 2016 19: 58
        Well, if you do not believe your people, it is not difficult to find the statements of the leading politicians of the Western world who directly faced Stalin. For me, the statement of A. Kerensky was especially interesting.
    11. -16
      5 January 2016 17: 46
      "Many deeds of our party and people will be distorted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and in our country too."
      Putin about Stalin:
      "All the positive that was certainly achieved during the years of Stalin's rule was achieved at an UNACCEPTABLE price. Repressions took place - THIS IS A FACT. MILLIONS of our fellow citizens suffered from them. THIS WAY OF GOVERNING the state, achieving a result is UNACCEPTABLE, it is IMPOSSIBLE.
      Of course, during this period we were faced not just with the cult of personality, but with massive CRIMES against OUR OWN people, this is also a fact. And we must not forget about this, any historical figures must be analyzed in their totality - that’s what I wanted to say. ”
      1. -21
        5 January 2016 17: 56
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        "Many deeds of our party and people will be distorted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and in our country too."
        Putin about Stalin:
        "All the positive that was certainly achieved during the years of Stalin's rule was achieved at an UNACCEPTABLE price. Repressions took place - THIS IS A FACT. MILLIONS of our fellow citizens suffered from them. THIS WAY OF GOVERNING the state, achieving a result is UNACCEPTABLE, it is IMPOSSIBLE.
        Of course, during this period we were faced not just with the cult of personality, but with massive CRIMES against OUR OWN people, this is also a fact. And we must not forget about this, any historical figures must be analyzed in their totality - that’s what I wanted to say. ”

        And he (Putin) is absolutely right in this
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        1. +10
          5 January 2016 18: 24
          All the positive that certainly was during the years of Stalin's rule was achieved by an UNACCEPTABLE price. Repression took place to be - THIS FACT.


          Here, for comparison, the "positives" of different times in terms of population ... You can strain and collect the positives of the present on drug addiction, victims of road accidents, there are figures about the "positives" of drunkenness, orphans (officially there are no wars on the territory of the Russian Federation?!) ... Yes! I don’t already know which is better? Cast a shadow over the merits of Stalin or exalt the "merits" of Yeltsin ... what
          1. +1
            6 January 2016 10: 15
            Doubt is good! Slowly we begin to compare, analyze. Fish, where in deeper, where man is better. And it turns out that a human face, where there is free education, education, health care and all kinds of security. Where there are no juveniles, drugs, aligarchs, the unemployed - yes this is the worst thing for a person. Guarantees are not the inviolability of property, but justice.
      3. -14
        5 January 2016 18: 14
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        SUCH WAY OF GOVERNANCE OF THE STATE, achievement of the result is UNACCEPTABLE, it is IMPOSSIBLE.
        Of course, during this period we were faced not just with the cult of personality, but with massive CRIMES against OUR OWN people, this is also a fact. And we must not forget about this, any historical figures must be analyzed in their totality - that’s what I wanted to say. ”

        Pensioners took a glass and rushed to minus laughing Happy new year!
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        2. +1
          5 January 2016 19: 29
          Happy New Year to you too! wink
        3. +1
          5 January 2016 23: 09
          Shkolota thinks he will never be a pensioner ??? laughing
      4. +4
        5 January 2016 18: 46
        It is rightly said that Putin is the ashes on the pipe of IV Stalin! It would be better to be silent about his system of governing the State!
        Under Putin, NO THIEF HAS BEEN AFFECTED! And not hurt. He has great respect for EBN, and Chubais continues to steal very successfully, and the oligarch released from prison continues to try to extort money for himself, and there is no law on confiscation of the loot and much more! Why should I extol Putin? Or kiss in the ass?
        1. +1
          5 January 2016 20: 47
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Under Putin, NO THIEF HAS BEEN AFFECTED!

          Not true, but Khodorkovsky? Or is Khodorkovsky not a thief?
          “The Golden Calf” is a novel by Ilya Ilf and Evgeny Petrov, completed in 1931.
          Looks like they stole even then.
        2. +2
          5 January 2016 21: 33
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Chubais continues to steal very successfully

          Submit facts and documents to the Investigative Committee of Russia and deal with the end.
      5. Alf
        +2
        5 January 2016 18: 51
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        but with mass CRIMES against OUR OWN people, this is also a fact.

        Is it Putin about Stalin or the board of EBN?
      6. +8
        5 January 2016 18: 53
        And if you do not reiterate thoughtlessly this liberal lie about "millions innocently repressed by Stalin," for the past 25 years pouring like a river from the rotten West to the Great Name of Stalin, but study the facts and documents?

        In February 1954, a certificate was prepared in the name of N. S. Khrushchev, signed by the Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin, in which the number of people convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes was named, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954. According to this certificate, in total during this period 3 people were condemned by the OGPU Collegium, the NKVD troikas, the Special Meeting, the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including 777 people were sentenced to death, and to detention in camps and prisons for a period of 380 years and below - 642 people, to exile and deportation - 980 people. Please note that these are statistics for 25 years.

        The population of the RSFSR increased from approximately 87,8 million in 1923 to 106,7 million. in 1953, that is, 22%. The number of Russians (Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians) during Stalin's rule increased according to censuses by an average of 1,3-1,5 million per year.
        1926 - 113,7 million
        1939 - 133 million
        1959 - 159,3 million

        For comparison:

        during the reign of Yeltsin, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people,

        during the reign of Putin-Medvedev-by 7,5 million people.

        The total demographic loss over the past 25 years, taking into account the unborn, amounted to 31,3 million people.

        So WHO is the "killer of millions"?
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      8. +1
        5 January 2016 21: 16
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        any historical figures must be analyzed in their totality - that’s what I wanted to say. ”


        Putin said the most important thing in the end.
        What is actually bad about the assessment that Mao gave to Stalin in 1958, at the height of Khrushchev's revelations of the cult: "70% achievements, 30% mistakes. " ChSH, Mao himself in China is now officially evaluated in the same way!
      9. 0
        5 January 2016 21: 16
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        any historical figures must be analyzed in their totality - that’s what I wanted to say. ”


        Putin said the most important thing in the end.
        What is actually bad about the assessment that Mao gave to Stalin in 1958, at the height of Khrushchev's revelations of the cult: "70% achievements, 30% mistakes. " ChSH, Mao himself in China is now officially evaluated in the same way!
      10. +1
        6 January 2016 15: 21
        V. Putin, as a loyal disciple of the liberalist Sobchak, repeats the liberal LIE, well known to him as a major of the KGB of the USSR, about "millions of repressed by Stalin":

        In February 1954, a note was prepared in the name of N. S. Khrushchev, signed by the Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin, in which the number of persons convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes was called for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954. According to this certificate, in total for this period it was condemned by the OGPU Board, triples; By the NKVD, by the Special Conference, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals, 3 people, including of whom, 777 people were sentenced to death, and 380 years in prison camps and prisons were sentenced to death 642 people, to the link and expulsion - 980 25 people. Please note that these are statistics for 2 years.

        Maybe Putin as an employee of the KGB of the USSR does not know these figures?

        AT STALIN, THE NUMBER OF RUSSIAN PEOPLE OF THE ROSL!

        The population of the RSFSR increased from approximately 87,8 million in 1923 to 106,7 million. in 1953, that is, by 22%! The number of Russians (Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians) during Stalin's rule increased according to censuses by an average of 1,3-1,5 million per year .;
        1926 - 113,7 million;
        1939 - 133 million;
        1959 - 159,3 million

        invented by the filthy West and its scum - liberal choruses "millions of victims of Stalin's repressions"; just don't fit into these statistics!

        SATISFIED SAME LIBERASTS FOR 25 YEARS OF THE LIBERARIAN GENOCIDE DESTROYED FROM 1991 MORE THAN 30 MILLION RUSSIAN PEOPLE!

        during the reign of Yeltsin, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people;
        during the reign of Putin-Medvedev-by 7,5 million people.
        The total demographic loss over the past 25 years, taking into account the unborn, amounted to 31,3 million people.

        SO WHO WAS A KILLER OF MILLIONS, A BUTCHER AND AN EXECUTOR?

        1. 0
          6 January 2016 17: 46
          Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
          SO WHO WAS A KILLER OF MILLIONS, A BUTCHER AND AN EXECUTOR?

          Your video is entitled as the Soviet Union in 1947, only Moscow is far from the entire Soviet Union.
          Here's an example of a photo of Stalingrad in 1947. It turns out that you are trying to rub someone points.
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    13. -25
      5 January 2016 18: 05
      And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??
      1. -8
        5 January 2016 18: 23
        Quote: shooter18
        And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??

        Quote: GSH-18
        Pensioners took a glass and rushed to minus laughing Happy New Year!

        Let's not be offended by them - in the USSR propaganda worked no worse than it is now in the West, and look at what they turned people into - a kind of Geyropei b.p.d.l.m.a.s.sa. Look at how propaganda works in North Korea (in the country, all the dogs were gobbled up and America was going to win), but in the USSR, brainwashing was no worse.
        These people saw what was achieved thanks to the terrible sacrifice, but did not see the sacrifice itself ...
        And now, the Stalinist comrades - shouting hurry and reflexively clicking on the minus - COMMISSION Hurray! laughing
        1. 0
          7 January 2016 22: 41
          Let's not be offended by them - in the USSR propaganda worked no worse than it is now in the West .... but in the USSR, brainwashing was no worse.
          You see, my friend, you really want to believe that the thing is propaganda. In fact, the fact is that you know very little. Some stamped slogans. Read more, just not fiction, but facts ... Maybe you will someday see. laughing
      2. +11
        5 January 2016 18: 40
        Quote: shooter18
        And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??


        We, gentlemen, are not familiar with such numbers, it was for you "in the name of good" that 6 Russians seemed superfluous, as did the pensioners who got everyone ... So, in our time, pensioners did not climb the trash heaps and with outstretched hand on railway stations, streets and porches did not stand. Now there are no Stalinists either ... It's just that people tend to compare and draw conclusions. And smart leaders, when they compare, correct mistakes ...

        Yes ... You should publish a brochure about your successes, not about bank accounts and "Forbes" ratings, but about achievements in the development of industry and agriculture during the reign, so that we can all shout a loud "Hurray!" .. fellow
        1. -4
          5 January 2016 18: 55
          Quote: yuriy55
          We, gentlemen, are not familiar with such numbers, it was for you "in the name of good" that 6 Russians seemed superfluous, as did the pensioners who got everyone ... So, in our time, pensioners did not climb the trash heaps and with outstretched hand on railway stations, streets and porches did not stand. Now there are no Stalinists either ... It's just that people tend to compare and draw conclusions. And smart leaders, when they compare, correct mistakes ...

          Firstly, we didn’t ruin the USSR - however that was, YOU did. You can nostalgic as much as you like, but the USSR fell apart with you.
          Secondly - don’t believe it, I haven’t seen a single pensioner with an outstretched hand (pah-pah-pah) in recent years
          Quote: yuriy55
          Now there are no Stalinists ... It's just that people tend to compare and draw conclusions

          Compare the level of propaganda in the West, in North Korea, and even in Ukraine, then look at what people turned into there, then remember that propaganda in the USSR was no weaker, then draw conclusions.
          Quote: yuriy55
          and on the achievements in the development of industry and agriculture during the reign, they published some kind of brochure so that we all together could shout a loud "Hurray!" ... fellow

          Yes, please - here is the link:
          http://topwar.ru/print:page,1,87819-novye-zavody-i-ceha-rossii-v-2015-godu.html
          Hurray, yet to scream, but a start has been made - with respect hi
      3. +6
        5 January 2016 18: 43
        And why do you think that under Stalin killed millions of people? If killed by millions, why did the country's population grow? Under capitalism, the population increases dramatically? Take the outskirts. There are no communists. And life there is quiet and calm?
        1. -3
          5 January 2016 19: 02
          Quote: Region 34
          And why do you think that under Stalin killed millions of people?

          Because the fact of repression is undeniable - if not millions, then hundreds of thousands, not counting those that were in the camps. Is this really not enough?
          Quote: Region 34
          Under capitalism, does the population increase dramatically?

          Here in USA, no one has complained about the standard of living, just like in Germany / France - you can’t take this away, you have to go to this (to the standard of living in the sense), but what kind of great and powerful he was there - besides delicious ice cream I don’t remember.
          In China, conditionally, socialism and a billion of the population and 90% below the poverty line are won out - but the number is increasing ...
          1. Alf
            +1
            5 January 2016 19: 54
            Quote: 11 black
            In USA, no one has complained about the standard of living,

            They do not complain, they simply die out.
            1. 0
              5 January 2016 20: 08
              Quote: Alf
              they just die out
              The total fertility rate in the United States is 2,06 children per woman; population growth in the United States is one of the highest in the industrialized countries of the world.
              More than a quarter of the US population is young people (people under the age of 20), one in eight US residents are over 65. The average age of a US resident is 36,8 years.
              Are dying out? smile God bless everyone so "die out"!
            2. +3
              5 January 2016 20: 13
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: Alf
              They do not complain, they simply die out.

              Are you seriously?
              No, okay, the stupefied people shout that Russia already has food cards and in general it would be nice to shy away at them, but where are you going?
              YUSA has a powerful economy, an excellent standard of living (though bought by the robbery of other peoples and lies), but it is precisely to this level of life that we need to go, but go the other way, build industry, develop technologies, and not "carry crap" hi
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          2. +3
            5 January 2016 21: 45
            Quote: 11 black
            Because the fact of repression is undeniable - if not millions, then hundreds of thousands, not counting those that were in the camps. Is this really not enough?

            The first victims of Soviet deportations were the Cossacks of the Terek Region (Cossacks of the Sunzhen Cossack Line), who were evicted from their homes in 1920 and sent to other areas of the North Caucasus, Donbass, and the Far North, and their land was transferred to Chechens and Ingush. In 1921, the Russians from Semirechye, evicted from the Turkestan Territory, became victims of Soviet national policy.
            In the USSR, ten peoples were subjected to total deportation: Koreans, Germans, Ingermanland Finns, Karachais, Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Seven of them - Germans, Karachais, Kalmyks, Ingush, Chechens, Balkars and Crimean Tatars - lost their national autonomies at the same time (although Crimea was never called the Crimean Tatar Republic).

            Many other ethnic, ethno-confessional and social categories of Soviet citizens were deported to the USSR: Cossacks, “kulaks” of various nationalities, Poles, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, Assyrians, Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Iranian Jews, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Lithuanians, Latvians , Estonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians, Khemshins, “Dashnaks” Armenians, Turks, Tajiks and others
      4. +3
        5 January 2016 20: 17
        No need to call, these can and can
        Quote: shooter18
        And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??
      5. -1
        5 January 2016 21: 49
        Quote: shooter18
        And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??


        No, we are kind ... In fairness, to level the score Stalin was supposed to cut out 1945 million Germans in 18 ... well, the Chinese should be allowed to cut 35 million Japanese! But for some reason he didn’t! laughing
      6. +1
        5 January 2016 21: 49
        Quote: shooter18
        And let the Stalinist comrades, in the name of good, kill a couple of tens of millions of people! ??


        No, we are kind ... In fairness, to level the score Stalin was supposed to cut out 1945 million Germans in 18 ... well, the Chinese should be allowed to cut 35 million Japanese! But for some reason he didn’t! laughing
      7. DPN
        +1
        6 January 2016 14: 21
        And in the 90s it happened approximately that way, the boys sniffed glue, and asked for mercy for bread, they fucked the people to hell with the fuck, so it was probably worse than Stalin.
    14. +12
      5 January 2016 18: 24
      Quote: Pharao7766
      Missing you, really missing you ...

      My mother used to say that when Stalin died in their village, they all cried, old and young and front-line soldiers and rear officers, my grandfather said sobbing and grieving all day, something like that, I can’t talk about it, because at that time did not live.
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      2. +6
        5 January 2016 19: 37
        I remember when Brezhnev died, the head teacher sobbed at my school. So what?
        1. +8
          5 January 2016 21: 09
          Quote: Nikolai K
          I remember when Brezhnev died, the head teacher sobbed at my school. So what?

          And I remember when Brezhnev died, we were released from a couple in a technical school and we went home, so what?
      3. -1
        6 January 2016 08: 28
        Quote: 79807420129
        My mother said that when Stalin died in their village, where they lived, everyone was crying, both old and young and front-line soldiers and rear officers, my grandfather said the whole day wept and lamented,

        This is normal for a totalitarian regime with a cult of personality; it could not be otherwise.
        The truth is not visible sobbing (Stalin’s funeral), Koreans are clearly ahead in this matter (Kim Jong Il’s funeral).
        (cry)
        1. 0
          6 January 2016 08: 37
          Quote: Bayonet
          , Koreans are clearly ahead in this matter (Kim Jong Il’s funeral).

          I would cry the same and still sprinkle ashes on my head.

          People’s trials are underway in North Korea for those who did not show grief during the funeral of the country's leader, Kim Jong Il. Indifferent to the death of the great leader faces up to six months of labor camps.
          Court sessions on those who were not touched by the loss of their beloved leader began on December 29, the last day of mourning. Partisans are especially harsh towards those who dared to criticize the North Korean regime during this period, and also doubted the correctness of the system, which implies a sequential transfer of power from Kim Il Sung to his son Kim Jong Il, and then to Kim Jong Un.
    15. +4
      5 January 2016 18: 35
      My heart bleeds
      Our beloved, dear!
      Leaning at the head of the crying
      Homeland is above you!



      You can’t deceive the people - none of the kings before him and none of the secretaries general and presidents after him cared so much for a simple working man - under Stalin, prices decreased, and salaries grew every year since 1947!
      1. -7
        5 January 2016 18: 47
        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
        You can’t deceive the people - none of the kings before him and none of the secretaries general and presidents after him cared so much for a simple working man

        A simple working man is not the whole nation - but what about engineers, designers, constructors, intelligentsia - they were then shot by tens of thousands and put into prisons ... but after all, no less than a hundred workers depend on a good engineer
        1. +7
          5 January 2016 18: 59
          do not expose yourself in a silly light without knowing specific facts about the Stalinist GOLDEN era for engineers and scientists:

          In 1946, the salary of workers and engineers and technical workers working at enterprises and construction sites in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East increased by 20%. In the same year, official salaries of people with higher and secondary specialized education (engineering, science, education and medicine) increase by 20%. The importance of academic degrees and titles is rising. The salary of a professor, doctor of sciences increases from 1600 to 5000 rubles, associate professor, candidate of sciences - from 1200 to 3200 rubles, university rector from 2500 to 8000 rubles. At research institutes, the scientific degree of a candidate of sciences began to add 1000 rubles to the official salary, and doctors of sciences - 2500 rubles. At the same time, the salary of the union minister was 5000 rubles, and the secretary of the party district committee was 1500 rubles. Stalin, as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, had a salary of 10 thousand rubles. Scientists in the USSR at that time also had additional incomes, sometimes several times higher than their salaries. Therefore, they were the richest and at the same time the most respected part of Soviet society.

          1 March 1949 - 1951's further price reductions occur, an average of 20% per year. Each decline was perceived as a national holiday. When 1 March 1952, the next price reduction did not happen, people had a feeling of disappointment. However, 1 of April of the same year, the decline in prices still occurred. The last price reduction occurred after the death of Stalin 1 April 1953. During the post-war period, food prices and the most popular industrial products decreased on average by more than 2 times. So, eight post-war years, the life of the Soviet people has improved markedly each year. For all the known history of mankind in any country similar precedents were not observed.

          http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html
          1. +2
            5 January 2016 19: 10
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            do not expose yourself in a silly light without knowing specific facts about the Stalinist GOLDEN era for engineers and scientists:

            You should be reminded of the Golden Age of the Korolev — about how he was thrown into the same era with his convicts in the same cell with convicts in your Golden Age, which slowed down the development of rocket science in the USSR for five years.
            More examples to cite - I can recall a dozen offhand
            1. +4
              5 January 2016 19: 27
              Quote: 11 black
              You should be reminded of the Golden Age of the Korolev — about how he was thrown into the same era with his convicts in the same cell with convicts in your Golden Age, which slowed down the development of rocket science in the USSR for five years.
              More examples to cite - I can recall a dozen offhand

              Understand - I do not dispute the merits of Stalin - they are undeniable. I condemn his monstrous repressions - they, unfortunately, too.
              1. +3
                5 January 2016 19: 39
                about the liberal LIE about Stalin's "monstrous repression", read (those) my post above, so as not to broadcast this lie of the enemies of the Russian people or here:

                http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html
                1. +3
                  5 January 2016 19: 42
                  Quote: Aleks Kruglov
                  about the liberal LIE about Stalin's "monstrous repression", read (those) my post above, so as not to broadcast this lie of the enemies of the Russian people or here:

                  http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html

                  That is, you approve of the repression of the Queen and other scientists and engineers?
                  And how do I know that in your source the truth is the last resort - I believe the facts, and the facts have already been given.
            2. 0
              5 January 2016 23: 30
              one camera with convicts was abandoned in your golden era, which slowed down the development of rocket science in the USSR for five years.
              Liberoid lies and nonsense! Sergei Palych was imprisoned for 10 years after being denounced by his "friends" in 1938, and already in 1940 he was transferred to a sharazh under the leadership of Tupolev, where he developed the Pe-2 and Tu-2. Already in 1942 he was transferred to Kazan to the aircraft factory # 16, where work was underway on a jet engine. Completely released on the personal order of Stalin back in 1944. No work on the creation of missiles in the war WAS NOT, and COULD NOT DO! Not before! But in 1946 he was appointed by the Civil Code of OKB-1. So rocket science hasn't slowed down a day! Moreover. It is absolutely clear that only thanks to the Soviet system in a devastated impoverished country immediately after the war, a powerful cluster dealing with missiles was created in a matter of months. This is absolutely impossible in any bourgeois country. If it were not for the USSR and the associated competition between the two systems, the first man in space would have been 15 years later, if at all. No money from this.
              1. +1
                6 January 2016 10: 01
                Quote: Prophetic
                Liberoid lies and nonsense! Sergei Palych was imprisoned for 10 years after being denounced by his "friends" in 1938, and already in 1940 he was transferred to a sharazh under the leadership of Tupolev, where he developed the Pe-2 and Tu-2.

                Well, yes - the genius of the Soviet cosmonautics has felled for two years (at first for ten) this is normal ... And why sharashka - say directly the KB of the PRISON TYPE and ask yourself how Tupolev ended up in it. And imagine for a second if you forgot about it, or what an accident, such people should be protected like the apple of an eye!
                Quote: Prophetic
                No work on the creation of rockets in the war was not conducted, and NEWS could not!

                But what about rockets - the same Katyusha for example, because it was just the Queen’s specialty.
                Quote: Prophetic
                NOT TAKEN, AND THE NEWS COULD NOT! Not until that!

                Of course, they couldn’t and not before when the engineers - designers were scattered around the camps - where already there
                Quote: Prophetic
                But in 1946 he is appointed by the Civil Code in OKB-1. So rocket science did not slow down even for a day!

                I do not agree - he could spend two years with far greater benefits than deforestation
                Quote: Prophetic
                It is completely clear that only thanks to the Soviet system in a devastated impoverished country immediately after the war was created in a matter of months a powerful cluster engaged in missiles. In no bourgeois country is this completely impossible.

                Well, if you replace a few months with a few years, then you are absolutely right.
                Quote: Prophetic
                If it were not for the USSR and the competition between the two systems associated with this, the first person in space would have been at 15 years later, if at all. No money from this.

                This is a great achievement, this is pride in your country, yes. But a small fly in the ointment in the photograph — yes, the Germans stood behind this victory, yes the USA never underwent such terrible trials as the USSR, yes the USSR sent the station to the moon first, but they flew, unfortunately we had time before us, and according to your logic did not have such an opportunity.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2016 22: 22
                  genius of Soviet cosmonautics on logging for two years

                  1. He became a "genius" much later, thanks to the power that Stalin gave him. Then he was a full-time engineer one of many. More than 10 institutes and thousands of talented people were involved in jet engines in the USSR.
                  But what about rockets - the same Katyusha for example,
                  1.Do not distort. You yourself talked about SPACE rockets. And here is Katyusha? 2. To the creation of Katyusha Korolev practically had no relation. The rocket itself was created before the war in the laboratory of Langemak, the installation was created at the RNII I.I. Guay, V.N. Galkovsky, A.P. Pavlenko, A.S. Popov.
                  Of course, they couldn’t and not before when the engineers-designers were scattered around the camps - where already there
                  Complete nonsense!
                  1. It wasn’t fought, because the WAR WAS! Not to space!
                  2. The number of engineers arrested was IMPOSSIBLE in relation to the total number of engineers of the USSR.
                  I do not agree - he could spend two years with far greater benefits than deforestation
                  Could, but only NOT TO CREATE a rocket. So again: the Queen’s landing did not slow the creation of the Rocket for a day.
                  but after all, they flew, unfortunately managed before us, and according to your logic, they did not have such an opportunity.
                  And what is this nonsense? By what kind of logic? They would have the opportunity. There would be no desire! Flying to the moon was a purely POLITICAL task from the very beginning. From the very beginning, it was positioned as a struggle against communism. It is very expensive. Without the USSR, such a task simply would not have arisen. Without the USSR, man would have appeared on the Moon not in 1969, but in 2069! Because, according to normal, after landing, it is necessary to start the construction of the station. Otherwise, why plant? And nobody is capable of it even now.
          2. +2
            5 January 2016 19: 33
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            During the post-war period, food prices and the most popular industrial goods fell by an average of more than 2 times. So, for eight post-war years, the life of the Soviet people improved markedly annually. In the entire known history of mankind in no country have similar precedents been observed.

            Prices have halved compared to what - with the initial post-war period - WELL YET ... Naturally, industry and agricultural production recovered after the war and prices fell.
          3. +1
            6 January 2016 02: 31
            Quote: Aleks Kruglov
            The salary of a professor, doctor of sciences increases from 1600 to 5000 rubles, associate professor, candidate of sciences - from 1200 to 3200 rubles, university rector from 2500 to 8000 rubles.

            Only now there was nothing to buy for these salaries, with the exception of cast iron, but you won’t be wearing it.
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 05: 50
              Today, the minimum wage is less than the cost of living. And what much do you buy for the current salary? Even having a salary of two, three minimum wages.
        2. Alf
          -3
          5 January 2016 19: 58
          Quote: 11 black
          they were then shot by tens of thousands and put into prisons ..

          You are mistaken. They were shot and planted to stop a hundred milens.
          And who then built factories, Dneprogesy and Magnitogorsk, created and ensured the production of IL-2 and T-34, Katyusha and the vigorous loaf?
          Probably, the workers gathered in the evening and decided, Guys, and let's build an aircraft factory, and then we will build a piece of iron and houses. How ? And so, as we come up with, we will do so.
          1. +4
            5 January 2016 20: 22
            Quote: Alf
            You are mistaken. They were shot and planted to stop a hundred milens.
            And who then built factories, Dneprogesy and Magnitogorsk, created and ensured the production of IL-2 and T-34, Katyusha and the vigorous loaf?
            Probably, the workers gathered in the evening and decided, Guys, and let's build an aircraft factory, and then we will build a piece of iron and houses. How ? And so, as we come up with, we will do so.

            Just those who did not get to and those who managed to return from the zone, when they thought better of what they had done and built, created, provided. Type in the search engine "KB of a prison type" - you will learn so many new things, just by the way on your question hi
          2. +2
            6 January 2016 01: 21
            Quote: Alf
            And who then built factories, Dneprogesy and Magnitogorsk, created and ensured the production of IL-2 and T-34, Katyusha and the vigorous loaf?

            Gulag construction sites:
            Vytegorgidrostroy
            GUAS
            Yeniseystroy
            GlavSbest
            Glavgidrostroy
            GULGMP
            GULZHD
            Gull
            Glavspetsneftestroy
            Glavpromstroy
            Glavgidvolgobaltstroy
            Glavgidvolgodonstroy
            Main Mica
            Glavspetsstroy
            GUCHOSDOR
            Kuibyshevhydrostroy
            Sredazhydrostroy
            Glavspetsvetmet
            Stalingradhydrostroy
            ULSPHM
            Special
            USP
            Sheksnagidrostroy
            Amur Construction Department BAM
            Eastern Department of Construction and Camps BAM
            UZHD
            Western Department of Construction and Camps BAM
            Northern Railway Camps Administration
            Bashspetsneftestroy
            Tatspetsneftestroy
            Construction Management 500
            Volgozheldorstroy
            1. 0
              6 January 2016 11: 55
              Quote: saturn.mmm

              Gulag construction sites:
              Vytegorgidrostroy
              GUAS
              Yeniseystroy
              GlavSbest
              Glavgidrostroy
              GULGMP
              GULZHD
              Gull
              Glavspetsneftestroy
              Glavpromstroy
              Glavgidvolgobaltstroy
              Glavgidvolgodonstroy
              Main Mica
              Glavspetsstroy
              GUCHOSDOR
              Kuibyshevhydrostroy
              Sredazhydrostroy
              Glavspetsvetmet
              Stalingradhydrostroy
              ULSPHM
              Special
              USP
              Sheksnagidrostroy
              Amur Construction Department BAM
              Eastern Department of Construction and Camps BAM
              UZHD
              Western Department of Construction and Camps BAM
              Northern Railway Camps Administration
              Bashspetsneftestroy
              Tatspetsneftestroy
              Construction Management 500
              Volgozheldorstroy

              I didn’t mean a bit - the labor is indicated here, it’s all right that the convicts were used to good use (tautology excuse me), another thing is that thousands, maybe tens of thousands of trained engineering personnel who could bring enormous benefits to the country were mixed with these convicts ...
            2. 0
              7 January 2016 23: 00
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Gulag construction sites:

              Again. For the gifted. In 1937, the TOTAL number of ALL prisoners of the Gulag, criminals (for the most part) and political ones was 1,5 million people, i.e. 1% of the country's population. In your opinion, it turns out that all the famous construction sites in the country built 1% of prisoners, and the remaining 99% were sitting on the stove? And how does this nonsense coexist in the head of dumb, illiterate liberoids? They themselves say that slave labor is not effective, and immediately claim that all the great construction sites of the country created convicts, of which there were 1% i.e. was super efficient.
    16. -2
      5 January 2016 18: 51
      In Stalin's times, until 1947, it was possible to get a sentence for being late for work, and for parasitism - a couple of years in prison or forced employment, for example, in a foundry or at a construction site. On our street, two children fired a children's pistol at a target painted on a newspaper, on the back of which was a portrait of Stalin. The neighbor knocked where he should. The parents were given 8 years in the camps, and the children were sent to an orphanage. I personally knew a man who was imprisoned in 1946 only for the fact that he escaped twice from Nazi captivity despite subsequent military exploits (he was released in 1953). During interrogation, Abakumov (Beria's deputy) conveyed to him Stalin's words: "Better to put six innocent people in prison than one traitor will get into our ranks." So son, living in Stalin's times is not clattering on the keyboard with a bottle of beer in hand. Moreover, such "patriots" - scribblers like you were in the camps more often than others.
      1. +3
        5 January 2016 19: 01
        No indiscriminate propaganda - ALL of my relatives served in the NKVD of the USSR. The Minister of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR Sergey Nikiforovich Kruglov is my cousin uncle. The discipline under Stalin was strict and it was justified and correct. They didn’t put anyone in jail - they put him in jail.
        1. +6
          5 January 2016 19: 15
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          They didn’t put anyone for nonsense - they put him for work.

          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          In the Stalin era, until 1947, you could get a term for being late for work, and for parasitism - a couple of years in prison or forced employment, for example, in a foundry or at a construction site. On our street, two children fired from a children's pistol at a target painted on a newspaper, on the back of which was a portrait of Stalin. The neighbor knocked where he should. Parents were given 8 years of camps, and the children were sent to an orphanage.

          You already decide between them ...
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        3. +3
          5 January 2016 19: 47
          Well, yes, this is a dispute between those who shot with those who were shot. The only problem is that many of the latter simply did not live up to the time of this dispute.
        4. -1
          5 January 2016 20: 17
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          No indiscriminate propaganda - ALL of my relatives served in the NKVD of the USSR

          Where the wind blows from! Then it’s clear - a worthy successor to the ghouls! These are the enemies of Russia !!! Bored of the shoulder cases of the master, dreaming of returning the country to a bloody quagmire? Will not work!!! Your time has passed! Come out! am
          1. +1
            5 January 2016 20: 33
            My family is the SHIELD and SWORD of our Great Motherland of the USSR!

            Risking his life, my grandfather shot at the caches of Galicia SS men and "forest brothers" of Lithuania right up to 1955!
        5. -5
          5 January 2016 20: 22
          Quote: Aleks Kruglov
          No indiscriminate propaganda - ALL of my relatives served in the NKVD of the USSR. The Minister of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR Sergey Nikiforovich Kruglov is my cousin uncle. The discipline under Stalin was strict and it was justified and correct. They didn’t put anyone in jail - they put him in jail.


          It is a pity that such nonhumans left offspring!
          1. -2
            6 January 2016 06: 01
            Do you think the NKVD employees are enemies of the people? But what kind of people? You seem to be against repression, but at the same time craving reprisals against certain people. Then, in your opinion, the SS members did not carry out repressions, but put things in order? The symbolism of the SS today flourishes lushly, and the symbol of the NKVD for some reason spread rot. Why?
      2. +7
        5 January 2016 20: 05
        Quote: Vladimir D
        I personally knew the man who was imprisoned in 1946 only because he escaped twice from fascist captivity despite subsequent military exploits (in 1953 they released him)

        hi Dear Vladimir, I also not only knew personally, but one of the prisoners of war was my grandfather Alexander Ivanovich, I already wrote in the comments about his fate. But for you I will repeat a little. My grandfather fought in the Finnish campaign and from the beginning V.O.V. . and in July 1941 he was captured near Smolensk. He went through camps in Poland, Austria and France, where he was freed by the Americans and transferred to the USSR. Grandfather carried a party ticket through all the camps and after checking, for some reason they didn’t put him in. returned all the awards and was awarded the Order of the Red Star. I remember my father and his son. Often came to my grandfather's house and always, until his death in 1978, my grandfather had a portrait of Stalin on his desk. And not one bad word I didn’t hear from my grandfather and told me all the time that he was a great man. Here's something so respected namesake. Once again with respect to you. hi
      3. +1
        5 January 2016 20: 24
        And now these old-timers will prove to you that it’s all been a dream! They did not see this!
        1. +8
          5 January 2016 21: 24
          Quote: Rosich333
          And now these old-timers will prove to you that it’s all been a dream! They did not see this!

          But these old-timers will not prove or persuade anyone, it’s your right, dear to believe. Do not believe, accept, don’t take your pies, but you don’t have to be rude to anyone, dear Rosich333. Respectfully hi
      4. 0
        5 January 2016 23: 59
        for being late for work it was possible to get a term
        Not true! For being late, you could get a reprimand. But for REPEATED delays of more than 20 minutes, they could be equated to absenteeism and be punished BEFORE 6 months of corrective labor at the PLACE of WORK with the HOLD OF 25% SALARY, but no time!
        About shooting a newspaper ... typical OBS.
        About landing for running away from the camp is a typical lie. He just did not tell you the truth.

        "We'd rather put six innocent people in prison than one traitor will infiltrate our ranks." So son, living in Stalin's times is not claping on the keyboard
        NEVER Stalin said this. Again with a finger to the sky. So is there anything to say on the case, SON?
        1. -4
          6 January 2016 06: 08
          Retention of 25% of the salary. Today is full of reasons for fines and nothing! Freedom! Sellers famously cover the shortage of their salaries. And people in the non-poor class are dashing products in stores. Other jobs are also full of penalties. Aw! Denunchers of repression! Where is your language about this? Where did you put it?
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    18. +2
      5 January 2016 19: 32
      And no one thought it was a fake? Do you know what this is for? The more people in the country who do not want to look critically at the world, the less likely it is for the future. And the truth is why the future is for those who live yesterday and it is no longer important whether it was a fairy tale or a fairy tale. The main thing is the willingness to perceive ........
    19. -1
      5 January 2016 20: 03
      That's right! The beds are not long strips.
      1. +3
        6 January 2016 01: 23
        Quote: Siti58
        That's right! The beds are not long strips.

        Who will be taken for a weed?
    20. +3
      5 January 2016 20: 06
      The author of the article forgot the most important saying of JV Stalin:

      “After death, a lot of garbage will be applied to my grave. But the wind of history will dispel him. ”
    21. -1
      5 January 2016 20: 10
      But SHE is the best song of the native Red Army about Great Stalin and his great party of the people - VKP (b)
      1943 year:

    22. -3
      5 January 2016 20: 10
      But SHE is the best song of the native Red Army about Great Stalin and his great party of the people - VKP (b)
      1943 year:

    23. 0
      5 January 2016 20: 23
      I don’t agree, it’s just that people became (not very, softly govar), at one time they exchanged all socks and jeans for stimulors (. At that time, people were different. There were few people left (few (
      1. +1
        7 January 2016 22: 21
        Quote: drago36
        I don’t agree, it’s just that people became (not very, gently speaking), exchanged all the time for sneakers and all the jeans and jeans ((.

        And you did not think about why people did it - perhaps because you saw how the "decaying West", and the working class in particular, actually lives, and somehow the craving for socialism among people diminished ... if people suited the standard of living in the USSR, this would never have happened if the country thought more about the welfare of its citizens; enemies would not have been able to use the difference in the standard of living for their own purposes
        Quote: drago36
        At that time, people were different.

        Muddled by socialist propaganda?
        Quote: drago36
        Few of us- People left (few (

        Oooh - so I, who was already born in Russia, is not even a person for you people. Humans / subhuman does not resemble anything.
        You know, I grew up in an information hurricane. In the situation when my country was watered with slop and truth had to be extracted from under the piles, excuse me, dhhhhh. But it’s better than growing up in the world of propaganda, it has taught you to take any information critically and only trust verified facts.
        I don’t know who sold our country in 90, but certainly not me and not my generation, but I know that we, for the most part, hate them no less than you. And about few people left - you know, you can agree on this before, with respect hi
    24. +3
      5 January 2016 21: 57
      Quote: Pharao7766
      Missing you, really missing you ...

      No need to call anyone from the past, in each period of time there is a hero.
      We must live in the present and try to build the future, but alas, not everyone will be able to survive and live in a built world.
      We are all consumables in the construction of civilizations and the World, someone will die trying to achieve something, and someone will die his death, enjoying the achievements of the dead ...
      There are NO Immortals ...
      But the memory of the Greats, of their time and their Homeland, must be passed down through generations, they are not born heroes - they become Heroes protecting their Motherland in difficult or dangerous times.
      Live in the present and in the future, perhaps here, among us, in HE, Heroes can be activated.
      1. +2
        5 January 2016 22: 13
        Quote: Truth
        Do not call anyone from the past

        That's for sure, or some crap will creep out laughing
        1. +2
          6 January 2016 10: 29
          Quote: RUSS
          That's for sure, or some crap will creep out

          The girl with the dentist was mistaken.
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    26. 0
      6 January 2016 02: 23
      That's for sure! They say the story is developing in a spiral, perhaps we will survive ..)
    27. +1
      6 January 2016 14: 18
      The admins of this site are so afraid of the TRUTH about Great Stalin, so unprofitable for V. Putin, that they deleted all my comments yesterday without a reason

      JV Stalin made the second industrial power in the world in terms of GDP in the world, and not a despicable gas station like the filthy liberals of the past 25 years!

      http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

      The growth rates of the Soviet economy under Stalin were such that today's China cannot imagine at all!

      http://www.greatstalin.ru/articleseconomy.aspx

      under Stalin, the ruble did not depend on commodity prices and the US dollar because it was gold since March 1, 1950!

      http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html

      under Stalin, prices REDUCED, and the salaries of RUSSIA from year to year!

      None of the Leaders of Russia and the USSR, either before or after him, cared so much for simple, working people!

      http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov/00123.html

      And finally, under Stalin, there was NO rotten liberalism, LGBT pederasty, prostitution, unemployment and drug addiction, homeless people!

      All liberal leaders - pygmies since 1991 - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin and the little finger are not worth the Great and Blessed in the centuries of JV Stalin!

      After 25 years of domination of the liberal thieves trash, Russians are waiting for the second coming of Stalin more than the Jews of Mashiach!

      STALIN WITH US!

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    29. 0
      6 January 2016 14: 27
      My heart bleeds

      Our beloved, dear!

      Leaning at the head

      Homeland is crying over you!



      Joseph Vissarionovich! Come back to us soon!

      Your mediocre heirs are the general secretaries from Ukraine (Khrushchev and Brezhnev), Judah (Gorbachev), Alkash (Yeltsin), the patron saint of thieves Serdyukov, Vasilyev, Chaek (Putin), filthy pygmies - liberals (Nemtsov, Kudrin, Gaidar, Chubais and others) prosr. ... whether our Great Homeland is the USSR and all your Great Achievements!
      1. -1
        6 January 2016 17: 55
        Quote: Al Gen Kruglov
        Joseph Vissarionovich! Come back to us soon!

        I’ll get up from the grave, stretch my arms a bit and come, and everyone will answer for drunks and traitors, as this was done with their tacit consent.
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    31. 0
      8 January 2016 09: 05
      He is right for all the service stations
    32. 0
      9 January 2016 21: 16
      Quote: Pharao7766
      Missing you, really missing you ...

      You can love Stalin, you can hate, but one thing is impossible to deny this man was and will remain in history a great personality.
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    1. +19
      5 January 2016 17: 08
      Quote: gergi
      why the hell do we need all this?

      What is "THIS" that is not necessary? And the second question: what is needed in this case?
      1. -8
        5 January 2016 17: 25
        Suffer for everyone.
        1. +29
          5 January 2016 17: 36
          Quote: gergi
          Suffer for everyone.

          Each nation has its own fate ... what
          Someone is destined to spoil the whole world, someone - to get rich at the expense of neighbors, someone - to strive for world domination, and someone - to interfere with all of the above.
          1. +5
            5 January 2016 17: 48
            Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
            Someone is destined to spoil the whole world, someone - to get rich at the expense of neighbors, someone - to strive for world domination, and someone - to interfere with all of the above.

            What a competent saying good If your then hi
    2. +3
      5 January 2016 17: 11
      Is everything right, just why the heck do we need all this?

      If "this" meant historical facts, then I don't understand how they might not be needed. In addition, it is said correctly, to the point, albeit a controversial person.
      1. aba
        +8
        5 January 2016 17: 43
        albeit a controversial person.

        Personality is always a controversial category.
        This grayness is not disputed by anyone.
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    4. +31
      5 January 2016 17: 11
      Quote: gergi
      just why the heck do we need all this?

      Right, you don't need it. This is for us, Russian.
      1. -7
        5 January 2016 18: 25
        Quote: EvgNik
        Quote: gergi
        just why the heck do we need all this?

        Right, you don't need it. This is for us, Russian.

        This is who is Russian here. Gruzin crushed and destroyed the best Russians. And now again his shadow has surfaced. EH Russians.
      2. -5
        5 January 2016 18: 25
        Quote: EvgNik
        Quote: gergi
        just why the heck do we need all this?

        Right, you don't need it. This is for us, Russian.

        This is who is Russian here. Gruzin crushed and destroyed the best Russians. And now again his shadow has surfaced. EH Russians.
    5. +14
      5 January 2016 17: 18
      Quote: gergi
      Is everything right, just why the heck do we need all this?

      The motto of the Airborne Forces "Nobody but us" immediately comes to mind. It does not suit any people the way it suits the Russian people.
    6. +11
      5 January 2016 18: 12
      Quote: gergi
      Is everything right, just why the heck do we need all this?

      I don’t know what you need, but I and my children should definitely know that for the period 1928-1941 in my country there was an unprecedented growth of the gross national product in the world economy - by 345%. In other words, before the war, the GNP of the USSR was 445% of the level of 1928, that is, it increased almost 5 times !!! And GNP is everything, industry, agriculture, services. And at what pace our industry has developed - it just does not fit in my head! I don’t know about you, but your "fellow countrymen" are very scared. So everyone is trying to make everyone forget about Stalin, and if they "remembered" then only all kinds of historical nonsense, "carefully" fabricated "by your brother."
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      2. +1
        5 January 2016 20: 09
        You are not confusing anything, maybe we are talking about the dynamics of industrial production, and not GNP? Or forgot to subtract inflation? Sources in the studio!
        1. +1
          5 January 2016 23: 05
          Quote: Nikolai K
          You are not confusing anything, maybe we are talking about the dynamics of industrial production, and not GNP? Or forgot to subtract inflation? Sources in the studio!

          Well, do not disgrace yourself, dear! You are not on the "Field of Miracles", still post a photo of a can of cucumbers. Make little effort yourself? You will soon demand a reference to the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
      3. +1
        5 January 2016 20: 47
        “... in terms of the growth rate of economic power, the USSR is ahead of any country. Moreover, the growth rate in the USSR is 2-3 times higher than in the USA. ”
        National Business, USA, 1953

        “... if the growth rate of production in Stalinist Russia continues, then by 1970 the volume of Russian production would be 3-4 times higher than the American one. And if this happens, the consequences for Western countries, especially for the United States, will be more than formidable. ”
        Stevenson, US Presidential Candidate
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    7. -7
      5 January 2016 19: 01
      as I understand it, the gergs were wishing to suffer laughing
      it would be great if only it touched you, but the exact opposite
  3. +29
    5 January 2016 17: 05
    Quote: Pharao7766
    Missing you, really missing you ...

    No matter what they say, I agree !! They would try to declare sanctions to Joseph or to present dill in laughter would be FULL PORTS !!! am
    1. +20
      5 January 2016 17: 26
      Quote: ded100
      Would try to declare sanctions to Joseph

      "1929 - the Great Depression in the USA and the first five-year plan in the USSR. Washington introduces its first ban - refusal to accept gold from the Union. And in 1930, an embargo is introduced on the import of all Soviet goods, except grain! In the same year, France joins the states, and three years later, Britain. Thus, the Stalinist leadership faced a choice - either to stop industrialization, since access to foreign goods, in particular machine tools, becomes limited, or to take away grain from the peasants and use it as currency. "
      http://4tololo.ru/content/4947
  4. -9
    5 January 2016 17: 05
    and I have victims on both sides of the family - because of nationality and for allegedly having a fist (actually a lie)

    he was born to help other nations! //

    when will someone finally begin to help us?

    1. +29
      5 January 2016 17: 23
      Quote: Petrof
      and I have victims on both sides of the family - because of nationality and for allegedly having a fist (actually a lie)

      My father was repressed. But he never blamed Stalin for this. Until his last days he studied his books (he didn’t just read, all the fields of the books were in his notes and comments). Khrushchev in the field of repression noted abruptly, but quickly declared Stalin and Beria guilty of all acts of the government. Yes, they were all involved in this, but one person is accused of everything. And these rotten poems are not verses of the Russian man.
      1. -14
        5 January 2016 17: 33
        Quote: EvgNik
        And these rotten poems are not verses of the Russian man.


        and from here not far from me died - a kilometer and a half to the camp
        and somewhere around 300 meters to another - well, that was before the revolution, then they were reduced, the disadvantageous location turned out to be

        Quote: EvgNik
        Yes, they were all involved in this


        but then it’s specifically about Stalin
        1. -4
          5 January 2016 18: 41
          Quote: Petrof
          but then it’s specifically about Stalin

          Emotions, damn it, emotions ...
      2. +3
        5 January 2016 19: 07
        what are these rotten rhymes - the author is a Russian writer Alexander Twardovsky, the genius of Russian Soviet poetry.
    2. +1
      5 January 2016 18: 53
      How to help us? Faster to bend? So with this issue we always had enough helpers. Sanctions have always been. And you probably want to cut through the window and open the gate wider? Gorbachev before you already did it. Thank! Do you certainly think that Gorbachev did very little in this regard? You would have turned around! Well then, start with yourself. Give up everything you have. Weak to give up his?
  5. -78
    5 January 2016 17: 06
    How this Stalin, all over the Internet, Stalin, Stalin lifted up! These admirers and those crying for the Union were dumbfounded! I don’t argue it might have been good to live in Russia, but it’s been past and not digging in the past, we’re living like this, God willing we’ll get better! It’s just that Koba’s PR is already making me sick! It’s just the PR of his personality that makes me feel like a lamp, a historical character!
    1. +40
      5 January 2016 17: 11
      02205

      I would simply advise you to take an interest in history, and not in the liberal media. Stalin should have learned a lot.
      And, besides that, Stalin is groundlessly and unfairly deleted from OUR history? Not only do you know that the Mausoleum is fornication and prudish drape with some rags during the days of demonstrations and parades? Is all this not enough for you? Well, pray for your golden idols, for the anti-people’s DAM government, for a bunch of oligarchs that they all rip off us like sticky ... and in general, what are you doing here? It is full of sites where your opinion will be greeted with applause by burry like-minded people.
      1. -39
        5 January 2016 17: 16
        I’m not interested in liberal media, and I read only that from patriotic ones, I didn’t write that he is a bloody dictator, I wrote that he is a historical character, and I treat him that way, and I don’t cry with burning tears, he was and is, now he is no, there will be more, or maybe they will not, maybe we will become a world power again, or maybe not, I somehow ..., I will accept any option!
        1. Alf
          +22
          5 January 2016 17: 29
          Quote: 020205
          , maybe we will again become a world power, or maybe not, I somehow ..., I will accept any option!

          Russia has two historical paths — either to become a Superpower or a third world country.
          The first option suits me better.
          1. -29
            5 January 2016 17: 30
            Well, everyone would like the first, but if the second comes, it will come, so what can you do!
            1. +10
              5 January 2016 17: 44
              Quote: 020205
              what can you do!

              At least try to prevent this second one from happening.
              1. +2
                5 January 2016 19: 31
                Quote: EvgNik
                At least try to prevent this second one from happening.

                With the help of spells "Stalin come, Stalin come, put things in order, put things in order."
                Not dried out from a past revolution can spoil the next? Maybe we’ll be lucky and rightly share everything and choose the right leader, and if not, then try again.
          2. +8
            5 January 2016 17: 36
            Quote: Alf
            or a third world country.

            Or not to be.
          3. +1
            5 January 2016 17: 48
            Quote: Alf
            Russia has two historical ways to either become a Super Power

            Russia is already a superpower without Stalin. Although it’s you communists who are constantly yelling that Russia will soon be a khan. Fuck you !!!
          4. 0
            5 January 2016 19: 00
            And it’s interesting to know the opinion of people. Are they for Russia as for the Empire and the Union or for something else? In the 90s, the vast majority of people were for the Union (by referendum). I wonder how people think today? Is it worth staying within the Russian Federation or reuniting with the former republics and countries of the Warsaw Pact?
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        3. 0
          6 January 2016 00: 42
          by ... it hurts. and precisely because of that ...
      2. -16
        5 January 2016 17: 21
        Ahah, you quickly shoved me into liberals, well, although I personally get to one place, such as you here quickly gather the pluses by means of comments like: Stalin is not enough, the same demotivators, We are Russian gods, a world conspiracy with us, etc. D., I’m on this site for the third year already laughing
        1. Alf
          +7
          5 January 2016 17: 33
          Quote: 020205
          We are Russians God with us, a world conspiracy and

          "God created Russia only one, it has no rivals."
          Peter the First.
    2. -26
      5 January 2016 17: 12
      Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists? laughing
      1. +16
        5 January 2016 17: 25
        You are a lover of milk ... you robbed yourself for a long time .. and talk about some disadvantages .. and why are you on this site ...
        1. -24
          5 January 2016 17: 28
          I'm a beer lover laughing I don’t understand honestly about milk! I studied history according to the school curriculum on standard history textbooks of 88, I don’t remember authorship
        2. +2
          5 January 2016 17: 57
          Quote: plotnikov561956
          and why are you on this site ...

          And the fact that you didn’t come for a person to keep a report in front of you is why he is here.
        3. -3
          5 January 2016 18: 23
          Quote: plotnikov561956
          .and why are you on this site ...

          Why are you here ??? This is a military review, not a circle of young Stalinists! am
      2. +8
        5 January 2016 17: 25
        Quote: 020205
        Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists? laughing

        Will we help a man, comrades? He’s asking so much ...
        What kind of comments do you want to neglect? Or, for fidelity, to blame everything? I don’t feel sorry for a good person, believe me laughing
        1. -7
          5 January 2016 17: 29
          Yes, at least that's all. I do not suffer over pluses laughing
      3. -17
        5 January 2016 17: 28
        Stalin is loved by those who did not live with him, who lived silently. You will gain more, there is a herd, they see red and rush. smile
        1. +2
          5 January 2016 17: 32
          Do you think I’ll pass for 200? laughing
          1. +1
            5 January 2016 17: 36
            well, you’ll definitely get 50 laughing
            1. -1
              5 January 2016 17: 44
              no, not already 35, but I'm only going to sleep laughing
              1. +6
                5 January 2016 17: 52
                Gregory, I recently asked when under Stalin they lived well, in the 20s, 30s or 40s, so they attacked how they lived well, I’m just shocked how do they know there are a lot of people over 80 on the site? laughing
                1. -2
                  5 January 2016 17: 59
                  Quote: Igor39
                  when under Stalin they lived well, in the 20s, 30s or 40s, so they attacked as well as they lived well, I’m just shocked how do they know there are a lot of people over 80 on the site?

                  And you try Khokhlov, something to prove wink Here are the same faces. Only in profile lol
                  1. -1
                    5 January 2016 18: 07
                    I know such a proverb, but it’s not about faces laughing In general, the site quietly rolls to the level of the censor, regrettably!
                    1. +4
                      5 January 2016 18: 30
                      It has long been noticed that I read the site from the very beginning, at first some comments could be read and admired by dialogs and disputes, and now there’s some kind of kapets, so many specialists, especially in terms of what Russia needs to do now and who needs to be stranded laughing laughing laughing I read and fuck, so many smart people, and we in the ass laughing laughing laughing It is necessary to find out the name and deputies of them in the local districts and everything will work out laughing
                2. -3
                  5 January 2016 18: 00
                  Absolute majority laughing
                3. 0
                  5 January 2016 19: 09
                  Well, then of course you are of the same age as Stalin and you know for sure. In the 20s they lived poorly! Today we live better! laughing This is evident in foreign cars! And then all the horses were domestic! laughing Somali residents will support you in this too. You will not believe! But they drive foreign cars !!! wassat
        2. -5
          5 January 2016 17: 38
          Quote: Igor39
          Stalin is loved by those who did not live with him, who lived silently. You will gain more, there is a herd, they see red and rush. smile

          That's for sure! Stalin industrialized the country, it is, but a lot of people were repressed. Still alive are those who found Stalin's time, confirming that the repressions WERE, one could sit down for anything under a political article. My grandfather recalls Stalin’s time only with obscenities.
          To send a modern Stalinist to the Gulag would quickly change his mind about Stalin.
          1. Alf
            +3
            5 January 2016 18: 55
            Quote: 0255
            My grandfather recalls Stalin’s time only with obscenities.

            And Gorbachev-Yeltsin with awe?
            1. +5
              5 January 2016 19: 53
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: 0255
              My grandfather recalls Stalin’s time only with obscenities.

              And Gorbachev-Yeltsin with awe?

              Also obscene
            2. +1
              5 January 2016 19: 53
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: 0255
              My grandfather recalls Stalin’s time only with obscenities.

              And Gorbachev-Yeltsin with awe?

              Also obscene
              1. Alf
                0
                6 January 2016 14: 30
                Quote: 0255
                Also obscene

                And what time did he commemorate well?
                1. 0
                  6 January 2016 15: 38
                  Quote: Alf
                  Quote: 0255
                  Also obscene

                  And what time did he commemorate well?

                  Khrushchev and Brezhnev, he did not praise them, but did not scold them either since the Stalin era. And he is pleased with the current Belarusian authorities, despite the industry killed by her and the periodic devaluation of the Belarusian ruble.
            3. 0
              5 January 2016 20: 30
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: 0255
              My grandfather recalls Stalin’s time only with obscenities.

              And Gorbachev-Yeltsin with awe?


              And how does one komunyakka differ from the other?
          2. +3
            5 January 2016 19: 15
            And can you find out why the opponents of Stalin do not like prisons? After all, prisons were, are and will be under any regime. Or should the thief not sit? Replace criminal articles with administrative ones and introduce fines !? Stole, caught, paid, went on stealing further! Or should they improve their health in prisons? Cruel prison orders? And in the criminal environment, what are the orders?
            1. +1
              5 January 2016 20: 47
              Quote: 34 region
              And can you find out why the opponents of Stalin do not like prisons? After all, prisons were, are and will be under any regime. Or should the thief not sit? Replace criminal articles with administrative ones and introduce fines !? Stole, caught, paid, went on stealing further! Or should they improve their health in prisons? Cruel prison orders? And in the criminal environment, what are the orders?

              Stalin's opponents do not like prisons, but the very fact of repression of all in a row on political charges. I was told how someone was given 5 years for the ditty "Stalin sat on a branch and chewed his leg." Is this a crime worth imprisoning for?
              1. 0
                6 January 2016 06: 52
                Was there an article for the ditties in the criminal code? And the verdict was written like that? Convicted under article for performing ditties? Or is this one grandmother said about the ditties?
                1. +1
                  6 January 2016 09: 20
                  Quote: 34 region
                  Was there an article for the ditties in the criminal code? And the verdict was written like that? Convicted under article for performing ditties? Or is this one grandmother said about the ditties?

                  What article was judged by - I don’t know, I didn’t read the criminal code of the Stalin era. My mother told me this for a long time. And see the comment above about my grandfather, who made that time. I have no reason to suspect them of receiving grants from the United States for slandering the bright face of Stalin. I myself would not want to live in 1937.
          3. DPN
            0
            6 January 2016 14: 42
            then it was for what. And the bastards and shrafniks at that time fought with the Nazis. Here is the HISTORY of the Russian Federation today. And the people drove the bastard at that time.
        3. +13
          5 January 2016 17: 39
          Quote: Igor39
          Stalin is loved by those who did not live with him, who lived silently.

          Do not talk nonsense, dear. No one is silent. For example, my parents (they are 80 years old) lived under Stalin. So I did not hear a bad word from him from them. Unlike their statements to the same Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Yes, and Khrushchev's father, to put it mildly, does not like - he graduated from the flight school and came under the Khrushchev reduction of the Air Force. Then, however, they again called for service, but lost several years.
        4. +22
          5 January 2016 17: 49
          Quote: Igor39
          Stalin is loved by those who did not live with him, who lived silently

          Why didn’t he live? I remember perfectly well the death of Stalin. And I remember the reaction of people to his death. Stalin went to the cry of the people - all the other general secretaries to the jokes.
          1. 0
            5 January 2016 18: 01
            Quote: EvgNik
            Why didn’t he live? I remember perfectly well the death of Stalin.

            Stalin died in 1953, and if you remember that, then you ....... under 70 or even 80.
          2. 0
            5 January 2016 20: 27
            Of course they cried. Still, Stalin died, and everyone perfectly remembered how a change of power was taking place in Russia. The First World War and the Civil War were postponed, we survived collectivization, the domestic war only died out, and now again. . . I would, honestly, also cried in their place.
        5. +16
          5 January 2016 18: 04
          Stalin is loved by those who did not live with him.

          Here you are slightly wrong. Stalin was buried and the whole country sobbed. And those who repressed, and those who were repressed. I know from my ancestors and various old people with whom I had a chance to talk. In childhood, I had to communicate with a friend who was repressed. Lonely, childless old woman. Straight and dry like a stick. Of those depicted in the movies as nobles. Smoked only cigarettes. Communicated only with children. The women were afraid of her. The men respected. Somehow they helped her to raise a string bag with groceries to the apartment, invited her to drink tea. So in her most prominent place the portrait of Stalin hung.
          No matter how much liberal liberal feeding, starting with Khrushchev, was poured on Stalin with mud, the people always treated Stalin only as a right and good ruler. Always behind the windshield of the trucks hung postcards with Stalin.
          People can be controlled. You can hang noodles on your ears. But to deceive is almost impossible.
          Now the people are waiting for the appearance of a new "Stalin". It is clear that without a tough dictatorship it is very problematic to restore order in the country and restore its status. Hence, a movement of people's consciousness arose towards the return of Stalin as the ideal of a politician and ruler.
          Very revealing and justified.
          1. +4
            5 January 2016 21: 48
            Everyone was sobbing and sobbing over Kim Jong Il. And over Kim Il Sung, too, everyone wept and sobbed. All these sobs are more the result of good indoctrination than of the rational outlook of society. And of course, when any authoritarian government changes, fear - "Oh, something will happen now."
        6. +7
          5 January 2016 18: 22
          Well, yes, it was bad like under Stalin. That is why in our city of Stalinki (apartments and houses during the reign of the "bloody" regime) more new buildings are valued. And so Khrushchev and brezhnevka (I take off) every morning I water it with obscenities when the family "backs" in the kitchen and corridor pushing. And as much as about "repression" as it was written, but they themselves knocked on each other and substituted that would snatch a warm place at the trough. What is enough today too, almost everywhere there are essentially worthless, but mean little people ready to go over their heads.
          I wrote and will write again. Before you blame the Great Man, you must first imagine something of yourself.
          And if we take it by honor, now "purges" would definitely not hurt, and the camps in sunny Magadan would not hurt to update wink , there is still much that you can get. Specially flew over them, there are such sad, abandoned buddies waiting for someone lol
          1. -3
            5 January 2016 18: 28
            Quote: jPilot
            Well, yes, it was bad like under Stalin. That is why in our city of Stalinki (apartments and houses during the reign of the "bloody" regime) more new buildings are valued. And so Khrushchev and brezhnevka (I take off) every morning I water it with obscenities when the family "backs" in the kitchen and corridor pushing. And as much as about "repression" as it was written, but they themselves knocked on each other and substituted that would snatch a warm place at the trough. What is enough today too, almost everywhere there are essentially worthless, but mean little people ready to go over their heads.
            I wrote and will write again. Before you blame the Great Man, you must first imagine something of yourself.
            And if we take it by honor, now "purges" would definitely not hurt, and the camps in sunny Magadan would not hurt to update wink , there is still much that you can get. Specially flew over them, there are such sad, abandoned buddies waiting for someone lol

            Let's send you there. The repressed communists also came under repression, they quickly broke down, just as they got to the camp under a political article. This I know not from the liberal press, but from the stories of my grandfather. And, I assure you, my grandfather does not receive money from the West for such stories.
            1. 0
              5 January 2016 20: 44
              Let's send you there. The repressed communists also came under repression, they quickly broke down, just as they got to the camp under a political article. This I know not from the liberal press, but from the stories of my grandfather.
              probably anything happened. I don’t know your grandfather, but the case of Rokossovsky and his stay in the prison on Lubyanka, after which he was reinstated, and other cases were also known. Sometimes it seems to me that people like Chubais, Livanov, Serdyukov (the list of the current ones is very long), etc., ached most of all then and now. - by those standards, they are real only as enemies and put up against the wall. But now times are different and "current" heroes do not like Stalin very much, because they feel with their skins that with such a leader they have "no chance". And about the leaders of the fragments of the USSR from Stalin to the point, but I would not even call them pygmy leaders ... and ours went to Yekaterinburg Museum to open the hoopoe
            2. +4
              5 January 2016 21: 17
              Yes, there is no need to send anywhere, I can say in our time I felt "repression", it was not for nothing that I had the "glory" of a fighter for justice. But you know that it didn’t prevent you from becoming a crew commander and a 1st class pilot, you just have to remain a man under any circumstances.
              Earlier, I wrote that my great-grandfather was repressed, there was a horse, a cow and 10 children, and a denunciation was written by a SINGLE BROTHER, who then lay at his feet and asked for forgiveness. But the repression turned out to be interesting, from near Tyumen they were "exiled" with their family to the South Urals (no one knows who won), and so all the same repressed were settled in special. a settlement marked by good work. By the way, my grandfather always spoke to my questions, according to my great-grandfather: The idea was good, but the execution ..... In general, they wanted it, it turned out better, but it turned out, as always, "and this is our RUSSIA and we love it, and the enemies hate
      4. +6
        5 January 2016 17: 31
        There is a friend. Very similar. Cosmopolitan ... wallet .. warm bed .. continue. Empty number ..
        1. -16
          5 January 2016 17: 41
          Cosmopolitan is a person of the world, a person who puts the interests of the world, universal human interests and values ​​above the values ​​and interests of a particular nation, a person who does not bind himself to any particular state or nationIf you used the word cosmopolitan as an insult to me, what’s offensive?
          1. +2
            5 January 2016 19: 05
            Quote: 020205
            Cosmopolitan is a person of the world, a person who puts the interests of the world, universal human interests and values ​​above the values ​​and interests of a particular nation, a person who does not bind himself to any particular state or nationIf you used the word cosmopolitan as an insult to me, what’s offensive?


            I would be offended. Cosmopolitanism is the highest form of liberalism aimed specifically at the destruction of states and societies. A direct path to the extinction of civilization.
            1. -1
              6 January 2016 18: 02
              In my opinion, a Soviet man was also a cosmopolitan (in short, to 1/6 of the land), coming from my comment above, as far as I knew equality and brotherhood, no one divided himself into Tajiks, Georgians, and Russians were all Soviet people! is it bad to be a man of the world?
      5. 0
        5 January 2016 17: 38
        Quote: 020205
        Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists?

        Well, if you are already interested in this issue, then catch the "minus", I do not mind!
      6. -3
        5 January 2016 17: 56
        Quote: 020205
        Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists?

        Yes easy, ****** in Russia there has always been a lot wink
        1. -13
          5 January 2016 18: 02
          Alexander, the country is rich ****** laughing
        2. +1
          5 January 2016 21: 26
          Yes, in the courses, you are a noble liberalist, didn’t even doubt (what will you solder the remark again?) wink
          By the way, people like you "in those years" were ardent guardians of the regime and inquisitors.
          I have the honor hi
      7. 0
        5 January 2016 19: 03
        It was that for one comment they gained more than a hundred minuses. Behind the Leaders! laughing
    3. -16
      5 January 2016 17: 36
      In vain are you, Gregory so cool. Now the Stalinists (who are in the sea) will pile up and you will be demoted.
      1. aba
        +8
        5 January 2016 17: 47
        and you will be lowered in rank.

        And the premium for the title will be stripped or what ?! wink
      2. -2
        5 January 2016 17: 49
        Yes, I’m not writing for the pluses here, and not for the titles, if you noticed my current rank and registration date! Some of them become marshals for a month because they write what the crowd wants to hear, I rarely comment, and only what I’m really interested in is to have an opinion even different from that of the crowd in the vert is much more pleasant than all the local ranks and advantages! hi
      3. -1
        5 January 2016 19: 18
        But they will not shoot! wassat Are you doing a career here? laughing
    4. +2
      5 January 2016 18: 44
      Quote: 020205
      How did this Stalin, throughout the Internet, Stalin, Stalin

      A simple tip. Do not like the article - do not read. The Internet is great, there are a lot of articles, and if you write comments on this particular article - one conclusion is that it interests you.
      1. -5
        5 January 2016 18: 53
        A simple tip. You do not need to indicate what to do, what difference does it make him want to read and what to comment on? Who are you here?
    5. -4
      5 January 2016 19: 24
      Quote: 020205
      How this Stalin, all over the Internet, Stalin, Stalin lifted up! These admirers of him and crying for the Union were dumbfounded!

      Masochists yearn for a whip.
    6. 0
      5 January 2016 20: 51
      Why scribble kilometers of angry commentary, pour insults to the right and left? Why spoil the mood for yourself and other visitors to the site?
      If you really really want to quarrel, write in a personal, not a comment ...
      Do not turn VO into a gadyushnik!
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  6. +12
    5 January 2016 17: 06
    Where are the local Zionists?
    1. +4
      5 January 2016 17: 11
      So, already two masked.
    2. +10
      5 January 2016 17: 28
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Where are the local Zionists?

      They follow us, do not hesitate. wink
      1. -2
        5 January 2016 17: 51
        Would they be more cunning, just put up the pros. And so they immediately burnt down and that’s all. I hooked them specially.
      2. +1
        5 January 2016 18: 07
        Guys, I did not understand what oar to take, aluminum, al wood? wink
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  7. +22
    5 January 2016 17: 07
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.

    ... as he looked into the water request
    1. +8
      5 January 2016 18: 12
      Quote: 2C5
      ..he looked into the water

      and I am not surprised at the title of the article and accurate forecasts. Few people know that Koba (the underground name of IV Stalin) translated from Church Slavonic means "sorcerer, diviner." And by the way, yes, the people who lived with him are not silent, they say a lot. There was repression, but look at the declassified lists of whom and for what. And even comparing that time with the present and in general "heaven and earth". All the same, whoever fought could achieve JUSTICE, and none of the modern critics can reproach him for putting something in his pocket, although there was more power. This is what infuriates them the most.
    2. +1
      5 January 2016 18: 39
      Quote: 2C5
      Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.

      That’s where they pulled this crap from, and they attribute it to Stalin ??? Yes, with him, this is the pure 58th article! laughing
      It turns out there was not only Baba Vanga, but also grandfather!
  8. +7
    5 January 2016 17: 09
    Quote: gergi
    Is everything right, just why the heck do we need all this?

    And if not us, then who?
  9. +20
    5 January 2016 17: 11
    Quote: gergi
    Is everything right, just why the heck do we need all this?

    Well, you personally obviously do not need !!!
    And for all who honor the memory of their ancestors - it is very necessary !!!!!
    Is it in vain that our fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers shed their blood ?!
  10. -21
    5 January 2016 17: 12
    Interestingly I would like today's Stalinists to be, for example, in 1937

    and then -

    Yesterday we buried two Marxists.
    We didn’t cover them with kumach, -
    One of them was a right dodger,
    The second, as it turned out, had nothing to do with it ...

    He’s before he passes away forever,
    bequeathed to you the last words -
    ordered evon business to sort it out
    and cried out softly: "Stalin is the head!" ...

    1. +16
      5 January 2016 17: 18
      Unfortunately, most people do not have relatives of the victims at this time. The repression of that time is greatly exaggerated by today's liberal historians.
      1. -19
        5 January 2016 17: 20
        Quote: valday
        Unfortunately, most people do not have relatives of the victims at this time.


        what are you saying, well, for example -

        The deportation of Koreans began in September 1937. On the basis of a joint resolution of the Council of People's Commissars and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks No. 1428–326 “On the eviction of the Korean population from the border areas of the Far Eastern Territory”, signed by Stalin and Molotov, 172 thousand ethnic Koreans were evicted from the border areas of the Far East to a new place of residence, in Middle Asia (from)
        1. +17
          5 January 2016 17: 29
          So what? Some of the Estonians, Crimean Tatars, and Chechens were still evicted. Just think sometimes why this was done. And why did the Koreans begin to be evicted, Halgin goal and Hassan, doesn’t tell you anything?
          For example, before the First World War, Austria-Hungary massively exiled Rusyns to Bessarabia.
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        2. +4
          5 January 2016 17: 30
          Yes, I would love to move. Would be repressed ... Not a question yet. Rokossovsky and Gorbatov were also repressed.
        3. Alf
          +17
          5 January 2016 17: 46
          Quote: Petrof
          what are you saying, well, for example -

          The deportation of Koreans began in September 1937. On the basis of a joint resolution of the Council of People's Commissars and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks No. 1428–326 “On the eviction of the Korean population from the border areas of the Far Eastern Territory”, signed by Stalin and Molotov, 172 thousand ethnic Koreans were evicted from the border areas of the Far East to a new place of residence, in Middle Asia (from)

          The greatest democratic power, the lamp of freedom.
          The internment of the Japanese in the USA is the forcible transfer to special camps of about 120 thousand Japanese (of whom 62% had American citizenship) from the west coast of the United States during World War II. About 10 thousand were able to move to other parts of the country, the remaining 110 thousand were imprisoned in camps, officially called "military centers of displacement." In many publications, these camps are called concentration camps. [1] President F. Roosevelt authorized internment by signing Emergency Decree No. 19 on February 1942, 9066, which allowed military authorities to identify “eviction zones” and remove any persons from them. As a result, all citizens of Japanese descent were forcibly evicted from the Pacific coast, including from California and most of Oregon and Washington, to internment camps. In 1944, the US Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of internment, arguing that restricting the civil rights of a racial group is permissible if it is “socially necessary.” On February 19, 1942, Roosevelt signed Emergency Decree No. 9066, by which the military received the right to declare various areas of the country at its discretion, a "military zone" from which any persons could be evicted. In total, about a third of the country's territory was included in the "eviction zones". On March 2, citizens of Japanese descent were notified that they would be evicted from “Military Zone No. 1” (100 miles from the coast).
          On March 11, the Office for the Protection of the Property of Foreign Citizens was created, which received unlimited authority at its discretion to manage the property of foreigners. Many assets were frozen, which prevented them from leaving the “eviction zone” [7].
          On March 24, curfews were introduced in military zones for subjects of hostile states and citizens of Japanese descent [8].
          March 27, the Japanese were forbidden to leave the "military zone number 1". On May 3, all persons of Japanese descent were ordered to report to the “collection centers,” where they were to remain until they moved to the “displacement centers”.

          By 1937, Korea became, de facto, the territory of Japan. Japan's attitude to the USSR was known. It would be strange to expect a different attitude from the authorities of the USSR. In addition, the Korean population MOVED to another place of residence, and not to the CONCENTRAL CAMP.
          1. -10
            5 January 2016 17: 54
            and where does the United States? that is, the bright communist paradise was no better than the bulwark of imperialism? laughing
            do you even understand what you are writing ???
            article 58-10 (anti-Soviet agitation) is subject to consideration by a special meeting of the NKVD without trial
            1. 0
              7 January 2016 23: 32
              Quote: Petrof
              and where does the United States? that is, the bright communist paradise was no better than the bulwark of imperialism?
              But no worse, right?
        4. +9
          5 January 2016 18: 35
          Dear, let it be known to you, and this is a FACT, over the years since the beginning of the collapse of perestroika and to this day (and Ukraine is from the same opera), the people have died, died and continue to die many times more than died during the Civil War (which by the way was staged not the Bolsheviks, but the White Guard generals, the Entente and .......) years of "repression", after all, starting from the Baltic states, Nagorno-Karabakh, Chechnya ........ and finally our days Ukraine is all the result of spinelessness and betrayal " Misha marked "and the coming to power of EBN and its liberals. But for some reason, you, our Stalin-haters, modestly keep quiet about this, as if nothing is happening.
          1. -2
            5 January 2016 19: 14
            you better tell me why the Communists saved Bandera as a class?
            they held many posts both in western Ukraine and in general in Ukraine

            and then perestroika and so on, didn’t the Communists arrange?
        5. +2
          5 January 2016 19: 24
          Deportation and eviction !? And today, many villages and towns are abandoned. Is this not deportation and eviction? And what is Medvedev calling for? Increase population mobility! Is this not a deportation? And the masses of Russians on earnings in Moscow. Is this not deportation and eviction? You can still ask refugees from Syria. They voluntarily left the country?
          1. 0
            5 January 2016 19: 36
            Quote: Region 34
            And the masses of Russians on earnings in Moscow.


            and where did you get that I think it's good?
      2. +39
        5 January 2016 17: 35
        Quote: valday
        Unfortunately, most people do not have relatives of the victims at this time. The repression of that time is greatly exaggerated by today's liberal historians.


        There are figures shot by years ... a lot of things are corrected and rewritten, only:
        1. +15
          5 January 2016 17: 43
          I agree with this expression of Dovlatov. By numbers please archive, documents prepared for the 20th congress of the Communist Party, where someone Khrushchev poured a bunch of slops on Stalin, but never used the official documents on the executed and repressed. Question WHY ?? Maybe not everything was so scary ??
          1. +1
            5 January 2016 23: 53
            It’s just that in these documents Khrushchev’s signatures are more than fleas in the Gulag.
        2. -19
          5 January 2016 17: 48
          Dovlatov is the one who fled abroad laughing

          he has a story - two escorts (and one of them) escorted the prisoner where there, on official needs and in the process, got so drunk that they themselves couldn’t go - both of them this prisoner dragged to the camp

          and few wrote the denunciations - but why did the state authorities react with such zeal to them?

          we are the protection of millions we are the protection of the whole country
          from wreckers of war arsonists spies
          1. +6
            5 January 2016 18: 24
            Running away and running away is his private affair, now too many are running and many are dreaming of running away.
            What they reacted correctly did, after the collapse of the USSR they stopped reacting, I hope you remember what it led to in the 90s? !!
            The grandfather’s wife was taken away from him, allegedly stealing on a collective farm, and what ??
            And nothing the next day returned home alive and healthy. Interrogated, sorted out and sent home, these are the dark times, repression and lawlessness on the part of the authorities ...
            1. -2
              5 January 2016 21: 16
              Quote: valday
              Running away and running away is his private affair,



              uh no mr good, it's not his own business
              what with Stalin did, not in the know?

              Quote: valday
              these are dark times, repression and lawlessness on the part of the authorities ...


              and were all such lucky people in your opinion?
              have you heard anything about three spikelets?
          2. +3
            5 January 2016 19: 32
            You wouldn’t be prevented from talking to the American police. Just not with the movie. bully They would teach you the freedom to love. Even for passive resistance to the authorities.
            1. +1
              5 January 2016 22: 11
              Quote: Region 34
              You wouldn’t be prevented from talking to the American police.

              I talked with German, I can only say good things about them, I was extremely surprised by the decent attitude towards people, because this is with greedy capitalists.
              1. 0
                6 January 2016 11: 28
                It is written with AMERICAN !!!! and not with German, he didn’t communicate (thank God) but watched when he was on a business trip in Los Angeles. The guys work hard, one handles the second with a gun at any time ready to shoot the intruder. DEMOCRACY !!!
        3. 0
          5 January 2016 20: 34
          Representatives of the tribe of Israel.
        4. +1
          5 January 2016 21: 49
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: valday
          Unfortunately, most people do not have relatives of the victims at this time. The repression of that time is greatly exaggerated by today's liberal historians.


          There are figures shot by years ... a lot of things are corrected and rewritten, only:

          The denunciations wrote that they would save their own skin, but what kind of leader is this who does not know what is in his country and who allegedly did not put his hand to the repressions.
      3. +3
        5 January 2016 17: 39
        It is not necessary to speak for all people and their relatives, both of my great-grandfathers were repressed in 1929-1933 by "kombedas", like kulaks, for having their own house, several acres of land and horses.
        One of them has 5 children, the other 7 of them, as young children, were transferred to orphanages, parents were exiled to the Urals, even there were no traces left.
      4. -2
        5 January 2016 20: 38
        Well, why, there are many of them. Just Ivanov not remembering is also enough. And many more descendants of those who were really repressed, unfortunately, simply cannot participate in the dispute, because Comrade Stalin simply took away their chance to be born into this world.
    2. +21
      5 January 2016 17: 25
      Stalin should be assessed based on historical realities. Of course, any normal person will not want to live in the “past”, but this is a person of his time as well as Princess Olga, Yaroslav the Wise, Ivan Vasilyevich, etc. .. Without this (tyrant) you and I wouldn’t exist now.
      1. -14
        5 January 2016 17: 29
        Quote: Tjeck
        Assessment of Stalin should be given from historical realities.



        What can you say about the accession of western Ukraine?
        1. +3
          5 January 2016 17: 33
          I do not know, for I do not own all the information. What I know for sure is that the events in Ukraine are a tragedy for Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians themselves. those: it was not necessary to bring to this ...

          Ps: I didn’t read it correctly. And here is western Ukraine? I thought you were about the east ..
        2. +7
          5 January 2016 17: 49
          Quote: Petrof
          What can you say about the accession of western Ukraine?


          Yes, I will say - separate !!! Gather a referendum and secede. There will be less odors. You already got everyone from your western ... There will remain areas within Russia ...
          How and why ... Yes, just as Khrushchev conveyed Crimea ... Qualitatively, but against the will of citizens ... You turn to Julius Caesar, why, with his living wife, he loved Cleopatra ...

          If the West had not been annexed, there would have been fascist power established on September 1, 1939 ...
          1. -9
            5 January 2016 18: 00
            Quote: yuriy55
            Yes, I will say - separate !!!


            and where did you get the idea that I live there?
            I live in a completely different place, but you yourself perfectly showed how you feel about Stalin and other communist leaders
            I have nothing to add
    3. +4
      5 January 2016 17: 37
      You have to deal with False reapers and Hagronom .. understand .. I ask you
  11. +17
    5 January 2016 17: 15
    Yes, I regularly read quotes from Stalin’s speeches.
    Damn, as if said today.
    A really great man was.
    Only here some followers and associates let us down ...
    I will not say anything about Zionism, but the fact that they will constantly try to
    colonize, apparently will continue to continue.
  12. +8
    5 January 2016 17: 17
    About Stalin I recommend reading the books "200 Myths about Stalin" by Martirosyan, very interesting books with facts.
    1. +3
      5 January 2016 18: 10
      You can also just read the works of Stalin himself by typing in a search engine: PSS STALINA.
  13. +3
    5 January 2016 17: 17
    Surprisingly accurate analysis and evaluation ... in his report to congresses ..
    http://www.hrono.info/libris/stalin/16s11.php
    NOT THAT NOW. .in answers to questions from localities .and solving private issues. of individual citizens in certain regions .. laughing
  14. +19
    5 January 2016 17: 18
    Something about December 21 (I.V.S. Birthday) we did not see the laying of wreaths at the bust near the Kremlin wall ... ????
    But then everyone was shown the opening of the Eltsin Center in Sverdlovsk, in the presence of GDP and DAM. ...... ??? So who now? Everything is so predicted ....
    1. +4
      5 January 2016 17: 26
      Well, if "VVP and LADIES" laid wreaths at the bust of Joseph Vissarionovich, no one would have known about this center. fellow
      In addition to Navalny and Khodorkovsky, of course. laughing Well, one fat mustachioed diplomat. Yes
      1. +3
        5 January 2016 18: 40
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        Well, if "VVP and LADIES" laid wreaths at the bust of Joseph Vissarionovich

        presented this picture: GDP (at night) lays a wreath silently, turns and silently threatens a finger at the camera.
        what - would the number of "heart attacks" increase?
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    3. +10
      5 January 2016 17: 34
      Quote: LPD17
      Something about December 21 (I.V.S. Birthday) we did not see the laying of wreaths at the bust near the Kremlin wall ... ???? But then everyone was shown the opening of the Eltsin Center in Sverdlovsk, in the presence of GDP and DAM. ...... ??? So who now? Everything is so predicted ....

      All the same, people came to lay flowers
      1. -1
        5 January 2016 21: 50
        Quote: vc 72019
        All the same, people came to lay flowers

        Are they somehow flawed, or what?
    4. Alf
      +15
      5 January 2016 17: 48
      Quote: LPD17
      Something about December 21 (I.V.S. Birthday) we did not see the laying of wreaths at the bust near the Kremlin wall ... ????

      Because the current government is scared to the shame of returning the IVS, knowing what it will turn out for her.
      1. -6
        5 January 2016 18: 04
        Quote: Alf
        IVS return,


        from there ???
        1. Alf
          +4
          5 January 2016 18: 13
          Quote: Petrof
          from there ???

          The mustachioed Georgian will not return, but another person will appear with the same views and the same program.
    5. -3
      5 January 2016 21: 00
      because GDP is the extortion of the liberal Sobchak!
      1. 0
        5 January 2016 21: 54
        Quote: Aleks Kruglov
        because GDP is the extortion of the liberal Sobchak!

        You are not in the subject, from a recent press conference on December 17, 2015- Putin said that his daughters - "DIDN'T LIVE AND DO NOT LIVE ABROAD!"
        1. -1
          5 January 2016 22: 25
          Didn’t you live? And the daughter of Lavrov who knows Russian with a dictionary did not live in the USA?

          Then WHERE is this article? (original):

          http://www.quotenet.nl/Nieuws/Nederlander-mag-pa-tegen-Vladimir-Poetin-zeggen-18
          819

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703689/Dutch-call-Putin-s-daughter-depo
          rted-discovered-lives-holland-boyfriend-Ukrainians-plan-protest-outside-apartmen
          t.html

          smoke without fire? The Dutch son-in-law of Putin also invented zhurnalyugi?
        2. -1
          5 January 2016 22: 25
          Didn’t you live? And the daughter of Lavrov who knows Russian with a dictionary did not live in the USA?

          Then WHERE is this article? (original):

          http://www.quotenet.nl/Nieuws/Nederlander-mag-pa-tegen-Vladimir-Poetin-zeggen-18
          819

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703689/Dutch-call-Putin-s-daughter-depo
          rted-discovered-lives-holland-boyfriend-Ukrainians-plan-protest-outside-apartmen
          t.html

          smoke without fire? The Dutch son-in-law of Putin also invented zhurnalyugi?
          1. 0
            6 January 2016 04: 46
            But if you think so logically, well, just put yourself in the place of Putin, knowing that you have many enemies - who want to kill you or make you very painful, like that and take your daughters to live abroad. Of course, they will be guarded there, but nobody will give a 100% guarantee anyway, the risk still remains.
            1. Alf
              +1
              6 January 2016 14: 32
              Quote: Mummy
              Of course, they will be guarded there,

              This is 100% hostage, no security will save them there.
  15. +8
    5 January 2016 17: 19
    Quote: 020205
    Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists? laughing

    Required. Two hundred.
  16. +3
    5 January 2016 17: 22
    It is time for us to finish making U-turns on the spot and start moving forward.
    Russia cannot afford to fool around ...
  17. -21
    5 January 2016 17: 24
    Quote: vsoltan
    Quote: 020205
    Interesting in the morning a hundred minuses to dial from the local Stalinists? laughing

    Required. Two hundred.

    Even if 300 I won’t be surprised, but somehow ... laughing
    1. +2
      5 January 2016 17: 33
      Well, blame the Censor, there "Glory to Bandera" shout.
      1. -10
        5 January 2016 17: 35
        Ahah, a bright representative of the herd! laughing Vali is a censor, associate of Navalny, a liberal and just a bad person, all because I consider Stalin a historical figure and not a messiah, the site has turned into a fan club of Koba!
        1. +10
          5 January 2016 17: 44
          Quote: 020205
          Ahah, a bright representative of the herd! laughing Vali to the censor, associate of Navalny, a liberal and just a bad person, all because I consider Stalin to be a historical figure and not a messiah, the site has turned into a Koba fan club!


          Why is this hysteria? !!
          1. -5
            5 January 2016 17: 55
            Where is the tantrum? laughing
      2. +7
        5 January 2016 17: 39
        Quote: iury.vorgul
        Well, blame the Censor, there "Glory to Bandera" shout.

        Who does not love Stalin, that Bandera? However. request
        1. +1
          5 January 2016 20: 43
          Who does not skip - that Moska.al. The same logic.
          1. -1
            8 January 2016 10: 43
            Yes, because as a lover of Bandera, Obama, Waltzman, McCain, Clinton, Yaytsenyukha, Merkel, they immediately scream about "the tyrant Stalin, who repressed hundreds of millions of Russians." You - the haters of Stalin - should love Hitler most of all, he was the main opponent of Stalin.
  18. +17
    5 January 2016 17: 24
    Correct words... hi
  19. +7
    5 January 2016 17: 25
    It was said long before us - not remembering his past will not have a future! And to be like a piglet, looking only at his tub with a stew, a person did not bother at all! This, such as gegri, must be cut to the nose, for like him are accomplices of our enemy, i.e. traitors to their country! soldier
    Ahead of Russia are still waiting for difficult times, but give up for a stew, as in 1991 we will not! tongue
  20. +6
    5 January 2016 17: 28
    GREAT was a man !!! and you can read Y. Mukhin's "The Murder of Stalin and Beria"
  21. +25
    5 January 2016 17: 30
    Stalin didn’t steal millions and didn’t live richly, he didn’t plunder the country, he won the hardest war, he made a superpower from Russia, for which the whole pro-Western, and the thievish mass hates him
    1. -10
      5 January 2016 18: 15
      It remains only to add that a difficult war turned out and because of his leadership! Or will you assure me that this is not so?))) The USSR had an advantage over Germany in all respects at the beginning of the war! Stalin actually won the war and rightfully received the title of Generalissimo, but at first he had his ill-conceived leadership and together with his brilliant commanders like Voroshilov and Tymoshenko so framed the country that 30 million victims on his conscience!
      1. +4
        5 January 2016 19: 01
        Quote: azkolt
        It remains only to add that a difficult war turned out and because of his leadership! ...


        It remains only to ask: "If we surrendered in June 1941, like the countries of Europe in their time (maybe they cannot forgive us for this deviation from the generally accepted European rules?), The war would have turned out easy?" ...
        Yes, I wonder where the first atomic bomb would have fallen if our Red Army had not begun to achieve Victory at the cost of heavy losses, but would have sought to end the war in an "easy" way?
        what
      2. Alf
        0
        8 January 2016 19: 33
        Quote: azkolt
        that 30 million victims on his conscience!

        Already 30? Wang, that in 10-20 years, the number of victims will increase to 50 million.
  22. +10
    5 January 2016 17: 33
    Stop disturbing the memory of Joseph Vissarionovich! This is now being done by the paid "liberals", and I advise the Zionists to read Stalin, because if it were not for him, then the state of Israel might not exist. You can count such world leaders on the fingers of one hand.
    1. +2
      5 January 2016 18: 55
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      I advise the Zionists to honor Stalin, because if not for him, then the state of Israel might not have been

      Without it, Israel would not have been unequivocal. Why they can’t stand him. Along with all the Russians.
  23. +6
    5 January 2016 17: 38
    The government lacks Stalin ..
  24. 0
    5 January 2016 17: 39
    And some sort of ram, will I be told all sorts of nasty things about Stalin?
  25. +12
    5 January 2016 17: 41
    It’s called - guess the country from the photo.

    And ... who is not on them?

    The guys are just looking for a friend of this height ....
    1. +6
      5 January 2016 17: 48
      Even their swastika is crooked. What brains, what hands - everything from the rectum grows ... fool
  26. +21
    5 January 2016 17: 45

    So, comrades.
    1. +12
      5 January 2016 18: 00
      I saw this interview about a year ago. Thank you reminded.

      Briefly capacious and to the point. And he just said everything perfectly. Sensible man.

      I think so too. Well, just like that! - "he is good or bad - this is generally an abstraction!"

      He appeared, ("grew out of this bloody heap") and did what he did ..

      .. you can evaluate the mistakes and successes of any person ad infinitum!
    2. 0
      5 January 2016 21: 55
      Quote: SAM 5
      That's it, comrades

      And who is this Dmitry Goblin, for the historian?
      1. +1
        6 January 2016 06: 22
        And who is this Dmitry Goblin, for the historian?


        Dmitry Yuryevich Puchkov (creative pseudonym - senior operative of Goblin; August 2, 1961, Kirovograd, USSR, USSR) - Russian writer, publicist, translator [3], author of numerous so-called "Correct" and six mock translations of Hollywood movies and TV shows, writer and online journalist.

        He worked in the library of the USSR Academy of Sciences as a librarian, then served in the police as a senior security officer in the prison opera house [4] and in the criminal investigation department [5].
  27. +32
    5 January 2016 17: 46
    Let's create! No doubt...
    1. +9
      5 January 2016 18: 14
      Where is another picture?
      Putin is reviving!
    2. +5
      5 January 2016 18: 16
      You showed the history of Russian rule after 1917! With all due respect to the GDP - it contributes to the violation of the main sign of justice: "A thief should be in prison!"
      1. +3
        5 January 2016 18: 28
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        You showed the history of Russian rule after 1917! With all due respect to the GDP - it contributes to the violation of the main sign of justice: "A thief should be in prison!"

        I completely agree with you, but I think not all at once ...
        1. +3
          5 January 2016 19: 43
          What about the new post-Yeltsin oligarchs? And the prime minister with a zero level government?
          1. +4
            5 January 2016 20: 10
            When the country was drunk and not only sold and betrayed, made poor, do you think that everything will be reborn in the lure of the eye? Here, the work is not yet an edge ... And God forbid that our country reborn faster! Let it be pathetic, but like a phoenix bird from the ashes!
    3. 0
      5 January 2016 21: 56
      Quote: Vladimir57
      Let's create! No doubt...

      One created, the other strengthened, but in the end the country they created did not last 70 years ....
      1. DPN
        -1
        6 January 2016 14: 50
        The instinct of a predator in humans has not yet been canceled by this and have not been extended.
  28. +9
    5 January 2016 17: 54
    True words about the Russian people. And our kindness often goes sideways to us. It's a pity.
  29. +13
    5 January 2016 17: 56
    All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! The Russian people, among all peoples, have the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! Great courage is inherent in the Russian people, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Therefore, it is harder for him than for other nations. You can rely on him in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible!

    And that was said by Georgians! He could exalt his nation, but more than once paid tribute to the Russian people. I dare to hope that he, like me, did not invest in the concept of Russian not nationality, but an idea, a way of thinking. Because, remaining a Georgian, he was truly Russian.
    And about the Russian character, the words of the song, which must be listened to by those who want to experience us, are most accurately told:

    Russians, Russians ...
    Troubled destiny ...
    Well, why do we need trouble to be stronger? ...


  30. +17
    5 January 2016 17: 58
    Demotivator in the continuation of the topic ...
  31. +22
    5 January 2016 17: 59
    Regarding the article:
    It would be nice if that were the former truth.
    Regarding Stalin:
    Whether someone likes it or not, he was neither an angel in the flesh nor a devil. He was a simple strong man who at some point in our history took power and, as he knew how, made the second world superpower (after the United States) from the poor and torn World War I and Civil Wars country, after which we still use the fragments of industry. Only he was not lucky with the country: if he had done such a thread somewhere in Europe, he would have been reckoned among the saints there and wanted to spit on all sorts of repressions, Gulags, collectivizations, etc.
  32. +2
    5 January 2016 17: 59
    Russia should not constantly and with every geek enter into active discussions. The opponent must meet certain requirements, and not be a savage! A number of Western countries and countries of the Middle East can now be attributed to savages. With such "opponents" it is sometimes useful to completely silently use the forceful version of enlightenment, for the rest it will be informative!
  33. +9
    5 January 2016 18: 00
    He put a plus to the article, and doubts are still gnawing.
    I remember well March 1953.
    Far East. Frosty night. Mother brought out into the yard for some reason. Snow drifts are much higher than me, youngsters.
    Then it's scary. It's scary when the beeps of factories and factories all of a sudden, at inopportune times ...
    All the women and mother suddenly voted, excitedly, as at a funeral. The men smoked while standing apart and cursed not loudly.
    The guys in the yard were not unusually many, but everyone kept aloof and humbly huddled with theirs.
    Stalin Died. Stalin. Stalin.
    Then in half a voice, in a whisper, out loud, a hint. Stalin died.
    And then at school, at a break, I was enraged in the corridor with my peers and inadvertently throwing some object, and beat off my nose against the plaster bust of Comrade Stalin. This is the year 1957.
    The next, I was not accepted into the pioneers. I bought a tie myself. Silk, beautiful. I remember the oath so far, but have not accepted. Because he was not ideologically suited to the comrades with whom he studied at the same school, he lived in the same district.
    The Komsomol is already "automatic", I passed, and then a questionnaire that I have never seen, but which I know and remember. hi
  34. +8
    5 January 2016 18: 02
    Stalin is too ambiguous a figure to make him a cult of personality, although about the Russian people it is very correctly noticed
    1. 0
      5 January 2016 18: 14
      Quote: Leonid L
      Stalin is too ambiguous a figure to make him a cult of personality, although about the Russian people it is very correctly noticed

      Now you are convinced Stalinists laughing
      1. -1
        8 January 2016 10: 51

        Now you are convinced Stalinists
        I am a staunch Stalinist and commented +. Stalin is not an angel, not a god, and not a demigod. He also made mistakes and big mistakes. But we have been living on his legacy for over 60 years.
  35. +1
    5 January 2016 18: 02
    The recording of this conversation with J. V. Stalin was found in the diaries of A. M. Kollontai, which she had been conducting for a long time. For the first time, these archival extracts were published by the historian and biographer A. M. Kollontai, M. I. Trush, Doctor of Historical Sciences in collaboration with prof. R. I. Kosolapov in the magazine "Dialogue" for 1998,

    Note not in the State Archive, but in the private. For authenticity, who will answer? Strange vanging for Stalin.
    During the life of the Leader, why didn’t they publish it? Have you forgotten about the nineties?
    1. +4
      5 January 2016 19: 18
      Quote: bronik
      Note not in the State Archive, but in the private. For authenticity, who will answer? Strange vanging for Stalin.
      During the life of the Leader, why didn’t they publish it? Have you forgotten about the nineties?


      You probably don’t remember that before the XXth Congress N.S. Khrushchev extinct from history everything that was connected with the name of Stalin ... Then think about why the Battle of Stalingrad took place near the city of Volgograd? ...

      PS Why go far for examples. Okay. Stalin is unknown to many. Yeltsin everyone remembers. For what military and labor merits in Yekaterinburg did he create a seven-nine billion-ruble center?
  36. +16
    5 January 2016 18: 10
    Well, there’s nothing to be surprised if STATE IV. Stalin was thinking about the integrity of the country and the well-being of the whole people, then logic and faith in his people will work here. Indeed quote “All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! Among the Russian people, among all nations, the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder than other nations. You can rely on it in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible! ” was born for a reason. And in relation to the so-called "allies", he did not harbor illusions as the government is now doing with the lady and the GDP is calling enemies "partners" for this in the quote “Many deeds of our party and people will be distorted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and our country too (belolentochniki and all sorts of liberals). Zionism, striving for world domination, will brutally take revenge on us for our successes and achievements. He still views Russia as a barbaric country, as an appendage of raw materials (well, everything is clear here). And my name will also be slandered, slandered. Many atrocities will be attributed to me. World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The spearhead of the struggle will be directed, first of all, at breaking this friendship, at separating the outskirts from Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything. There is still a large field of work here. Nationalism (kh.kh.l.o.p.d.a.l.l.) will raise its head with special force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations (sukashvili, pig, etc., etc.). In general, in the future, development will proceed in more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely sharp. The point is that the East will be especially excited (there are already examples). Sharp contradictions with the West (NATO) will arise. And yet, no matter how the events develop, time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland (and it is said about socialism - to make people happy and in the name of the people, and not about world communism). Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past (the emergence of a movement in DONBASS against natsikoukropov). " After reading the article, it seems that I.V. Stalin visited the future.
  37. -13
    5 January 2016 18: 10
    It seems to me that many who are breathing the last name Stalin here, give them a month to live there would have howled in a voice !!!! And this despite the fact that I respect Joseph Vissarionovich as a great statesman! But forgive him his great-grandfather, who wanted to dispossess him only because he worked from dawn to dawn to hunger (yes, in the 30s there was a constant hunger in the village until the mid-50s. People didn’t eat white bread) x added a handful of flour to the quinoa. And he is a war veteran who died of experiences! Those who will put me a minus, guys ahead, work for 30 grams of grain per workday, maybe it will brighten in the brain !!!
    1. +4
      5 January 2016 19: 34
      Did you personally live under Stalin? And did you endure all the hardships of that time? Or did you hang noodles on your ears on TV? My grandfather fought and after losing his eye on the Kursk Bulge he ended the war, he always spoke well about Stalin. Grandmother lived during the war in Stalingrad Yes, there was hunger, the war was hard. But after the war she said that she never thought that she would live in the center of the city in her apartment and sleep peacefully. I will add that under Stalin, much cheaper for the holidays. family and my friends, and they are not few repressed, but all fought.
    2. +3
      5 January 2016 19: 50
      Do you think that if we had won white with the interventionists, we would have lived well !? Whatever life was visible in the zones of occupation. At least the interventionists, even the Nazis. Is it really not clear? You can look at the countries of a victorious democracy. For example, in Afghanistan.
    3. +2
      5 January 2016 20: 00
      I completely agree! Why all the achievements of the USSR (and they are really huge) are attributed to the name of Stalin, and all troubles are attributed to anyone, and Stalin, as it were, is on the sidelines. Here, an active writer wrote about achievements and salary growth. But nothing that the majority of the population of the USSR until 1970 did not receive a salary in principle? I mean the collective farmers who received workdays - and in the years when the harvest is good, then agricultural products. People worked almost for nothing, and you want the country to have no achievements?
      1. 0
        8 January 2016 00: 45
        Quote: Sharapov
        But is it that a large part of the population of the USSR before the 1970 year did not receive a salary in principle?
        This nonsense is that he himself invented or suggested?
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  38. +3
    5 January 2016 18: 13
    Quote: Sharapov
    do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

    Horror !!!! And now we don’t click? A situation, it’s not so. He didn’t click it, but tried to do everything that it didn’t happen. But not everything was in his will. Not God, not even Rhodeschild. Now In my opinion, everything is anologic.
  39. +5
    5 January 2016 18: 16
    There is a complicated attitude towards Stalin - my grandfather was shot on a denunciation, which his friends wrote :(
    But the country carried out industrialization, went into space, built a nuclear shield!!!
    Who will challenge it?
    Peter I - a recognized reformer, "opened a window to Europe". Did you know that under him the population of the country decreased by a third?
    So how does Stalin judge - did Stalin do well or badly?
    1. -10
      5 January 2016 18: 39
      Quote: March
      "opened a window to Europe".


      some kind of idiotic expression, he was always surprised, why do we need a window, normal people walk through the door laughing

      like Alexey Tolstoy’s there -

      But still, not what pride Peter wanted was what happened; Russia did not enter, smart and strong, at the feast of the great powers. And his hair pulled up, bloodied and distraught with horror and despair, appeared to new relatives in a miserable and unequal form - a work. And no matter how much the Russian guns rattled menacingly, it was customary that a great country stretching from the Vistula to the Chinese Wall was slavish and humbled before the whole world. (from)
      1. 0
        8 January 2016 00: 36
        Quote: Petrof
        slave and humiliated was a great country before the whole world, stretching from the Vistula to the Chinese wall
        It is only in your mind that is not weighed down by real, not literary knowledge. But in reality, according to Count Bezborodov, under Catherine, not a single gun in Europe dared to shoot without our permission. But our liberals have always felt slave and humiliated, for according to Fedor Mikhailovich, a liberal is primarily a lackey. A footman in front of the west.
  40. +5
    5 January 2016 18: 21
    People, you what, but what about the principle "do not make yourself an idol"? Stalin was, first of all, a man, with all human advantages and disadvantages, and turning him into a god is at least unreasonable. I'll tell you this, any person is what he was or is, and not what we want to see him. If for Someone Stalin is good, so a person in him saw only good human traits and good deeds, and vice versa, someone sees in Stalin only unwholesome. The best thing we can do is stop barking like sabaki and minus those who have their own different from other opinions, and just remember that the name of Stalin is already in history, whether we want it or not. You can love or hate Stalin, but we will not change history and it is best to live as we want and can, and let Stalin remain as a part of the lived state by which he once directed.
    1. -1
      8 January 2016 11: 03
      But we’re not creating an idol for ourselves. Stalin had to make a mobilization breakthrough in order to pull Russia as a plow to Russia with an atomic bomb. He conducted it, by the methods and means that were at his disposal at that time. Yes, the peasantry suffered greatly. BUT ... This abscess accumulated in Russia for 300 years, since the time of the Troubles. Before Alexander the 2nd, he was able to stop it by extensive development - expansion of the territory, then he began to rot and broke through the Civil War. And then there would be a war with a united Europe, and what would be the price of victory?
  41. +2
    5 January 2016 18: 23
    Quote: Petrof
    great warlords commanded


    "The great strategist of all times and peoples" von Moltke believed that in the event of a final victory, losses of 75-80% of the payroll of the army are minimal!
    1. -3
      5 January 2016 18: 42
      but there is another expression- Pyrrhic victory
      did not hear?
      1. cap
        0
        6 January 2016 02: 01
        cromwell
        uote = Petrof] but there is another expression- Pyrrhic victory
        did not hear? [/ quote]

        Monument to Oliver Cromwell (1599 - 1658) - an outstanding military leader and statesman, leader of the English Revolution. He enjoyed great popularity among the English people, especially for his absolute integrity. The republic buried its hero with great honors, but during the restoration of the monarchy, Cromwell’s body was dug from the grave and pulled up on the gallows. Oh, these Englishmen, among other nations, prefer to hang their heroes in life.

        The Anglo-Saxons seem to be trying to instill Russia with their historical experience.
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    1. +5
      5 January 2016 18: 29
      You can add to this list of GREAT people of Alexander 3.
  43. +1
    5 January 2016 18: 25
    Quote: EvgNik
    Quote: shooter18
    and you allow our Soviet historians to read?

    For God's sake, read what you think is necessary. And draw your own conclusions (preferably). And what did I write about the commanders of the beginning of the war? It’s not news to me that many fled from the front. Which naturally increased our losses. And about the orders issued by Stalin before the war, I advise you to inquire in more detail. Learn interesting things, not speculation.

    Eugene share the link I read with pleasure!
  44. -4
    5 January 2016 18: 32
    Quote: Sharapov
    And do not care that the greatest fortune tricked the aforementioned soothsayer

    He didn’t click on it - intelligence scammed ... And not verified data uses only
    .
    1. -1
      5 January 2016 18: 45
      Intelligence worked well, maybe it was planned, otherwise the West would side with Germany
  45. -5
    5 January 2016 18: 34
    Quote: beer-youk
    "The great strategist of all times and peoples" von Moltke believed that in the event of a final victory, losses of 75-80% of the payroll of the army are minimal!


    His army consisted of 90% of mercenaries (cannon fodder), what are we talking about? And our "great commander" Suvorov, who ditched for the good of Europe "77 out of every 100" (as he wrote in his notes, accompanied by a comment - "My God, my losses are small!"). What is it like? After that, Stalin is Mother Teresa!
  46. -2
    5 January 2016 18: 37
    BOOKS ABOUT LENIN
    International activity of V.I. Lenin. Defense of the gains of the socialist revolution of 1919-1920
    Author: Trush M. I.
    This is 1988.
    And here is his article in Pravda for 1998, full quote:
    Here is a fact published for the first time (archival extract of MI Trush). In November 1939, on the eve of the Finnish ("northern") war, Stalin received the USSR ambassador to Sweden, the famous revolutionary A.M. Kollontai. He told Alexandra Mikhailovna about the negotiations with Finland that had just been interrupted about the distance of the state border from Leningrad in exchange for the concession of a part of Soviet territory to the Finns. About the brewing conflict, Stalin said that "if it is not possible to prevent it, it will be short-lived and will cost little blood (unfortunately, this was not justified. - R.K.)." The time of "persuasion" and "negotiations" is over, - stressed Stalin. - We must practically prepare for a rebuff, for a war with Hitler. "
    Developing the theme of an imminent war and trying to look into a more distant future, Stalin made a very remarkable statement:
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as raw appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. Many atrocities will be attributed to me.
    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.

    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
    And yet, no matter how the events develop, time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. New generations will come year after year. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past. "

    http://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-gosudarstvo/kakaya-zhe-ona-pravda-o-staline.html
  47. +5
    5 January 2016 18: 37
    Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Second, Stalin - four Great Men who created the image of modern Russia! The fact that Stalin created our State Thieves 25 years can not be robbed !!!! Yes, they don’t dare to touch us only thanks to VICTORY AND WEAPONS CREATED BY STALIN !!! How is your tongue still not shrunk ?? !! Not grateful creatures!
  48. +6
    5 January 2016 18: 54
    "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities."
    Omar Khayyam
    1. +4
      5 January 2016 19: 29
      Quote: B.T.W.
      "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities."
      Omar Khayyam


      But in life it is much closer and simpler:
      https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/Элеонора_Рузвельт
  49. +5
    5 January 2016 18: 55
    “All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! Among the Russian people, among all nations, the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder than other nations. You can rely on it in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible! ”

    What wonderful words !!!
    1. +2
      5 January 2016 19: 24
      “All this will fall on the shoulders of the Russian people. For the Russian people are a great people! The Russian people are good people! The Russian people, among all peoples, have the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations! Great courage is inherent in the Russian people, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder for him than other nations. You can rely on him for any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible!



      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      What wonderful words !!!


      The words are certainly wonderful. But this is not about that. Now the times are different. Today, if such a time comes, there will be no one to lead and command. Everyone will run to save their billions.
      1. tao
        0
        6 January 2016 00: 04
        And the Russian people turned out not to be "inexhaustible" at all.
  50. +1
    5 January 2016 19: 00
    even though my grandfather was repressed on the maternal side in 37. And the great Russian war fought for me 5 grandfathers 2 died and 3 grandfathers did not say anything bad about Stalin. and I believe in his predictions, we are now observing this. truth, I never heard of them
  51. +5
    5 January 2016 19: 16
    Be strong. Hard times are coming. They must be overcome... We will overcome them. We will definitely overcome it! Stay healthy. Temper yourself in the fight"

    What should I add here? If only Vanga's prophecies? We and the RUSSIANS will overcome this! If we don't save the world, he will kill everyone... request
  52. +2
    5 January 2016 19: 19
    There’s a lot to say about Vassarionich now! But there is something to respect him for!
    And, I’ve always wondered?! Why did Petrukha force the people to smoke and drink! Who also put down more people! - than Joseph Vissarionovich - they call him GREAT, but the other is constantly being oppressed!
    1. -5
      5 January 2016 19: 22
      Quote: satelit24
      name is GREAT


      He lived too long ago, and there are no people left whose people were even in any way affected by his activities.
      and propaganda besides, what a good Peter was
      1. +5
        5 January 2016 19: 38
        Only propaganda, and paid for... If we had studied French history from the novels of A. Dumas, we would not have imagined that the French rulers changed their royal palaces as heaps of human excrement accumulated around them... and some courtiers they loved to talk with their subjects while sitting on the “toilet”...
    2. -1
      5 January 2016 21: 14
      Quote: satelit24
      Why did Petrukha force the people to smoke and drink?



      Yes, Peter 1 (under him, even though it was possible to get into power from a poor peasant with bast shoes), but Catherine 2 took three skins off the people under her, by the way, in fact, serfdom became a reality.
  53. +7
    5 January 2016 19: 24
    A great MAN, no matter how the “well-wishers” of the USSR-Russia wanted to see him differently. Our (I mean Russian patriots) task is to do the minimum that we can do in gratitude to Stalin - this is to return the well-deserved name to the city on the Volga - STALINGRAD. This is all sorts of strategists of the fascist-imperialists who will set their brains in place and bring them down to earth in all their plans regarding Russia.
  54. -2
    5 January 2016 19: 32
    Stalin would have put all the “pieces” skillfully in their places, no matter how complex the chess game was.
    Vladimir Vladimirovich is still a multi-stepper, may God grant him health and popular support.
  55. +6
    5 January 2016 19: 45
    But right now we need not only to take the Stalinist course towards the reindustrialization of our gas station in the Russian Federation, but also especially the Stalinist course in the domestic financial and public sector!

    And for this, it is necessary to urgently dismiss the entire liberal monetary wing of the Government of the Russian Federation and, first of all, D. A. Medvedev. Replace him with S. Glazyev.

    And Putin’s St. Petersburg friends from Sobchak’s times - liberals, US mercenaries A. Kudrin and G. Gref - should not be allowed within range of any government institution!

    Further colonial peg of the national currency - the Russian ruble to the world price of raw materials (oil) and to the US dollar in the very next year will lead Russia to a national FINANCIAL CATastrophe!

    Today, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are actually and legally branches, respectively, of the US Ministry of Finance and the US Treasury on the territory of the Russian Federation and therefore serve exclusively the national interests of their Master - the US Administration, lending to the enemy US economy for a huge amount of over $80 billion due to the collapse of the Russian industry from - for the high refinancing rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

    In order to avoid an imminent financial catastrophe by the end of 2017 as a result of the liberal monetary policy of the Government of the Russian Federation, it is vital to restore the credit, financial and budget policy of the Minister of Finance of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Arseny Grigorievich ZVEREV:

    March 1, 1950 in Soviet newspapers published the Decree of the Government of the USSR as follows:
    “In Western countries, the depreciation of currencies has occurred and continues, which has already led to the devaluation of European currencies. As for the United States, the continuous increase in prices for consumer goods and continued inflation on this basis, as repeatedly stated by senior officials of the US government, have also led to a significant decrease in the purchasing power of the dollar.

    In connection with the above circumstances, the purchasing power of the ruble has become higher than its official rate.

    In view of this, the Soviet government recognized the need to increase the official ruble exchange rate, and the ruble exchange rate should not be calculated on the basis of the dollar, but on a more stable gold basis, in accordance with the gold content of the ruble.

    On this basis, the Council of Ministers of the USSR decided:

    1. From the 1 of March 1950 of the year, stop determining the exchange rate of the ruble against foreign currencies based on the dollar and transfer to a more stable gold basis, in accordance with the gold content of the ruble.
    2. Set the gold content of the ruble to 0, 222168 grams of pure gold.
    3. Establish from the 1 of March 1950 of the year the purchase price of the State Bank for gold in 4 rubles 45 cents for 1 grams of pure gold.
    4. From March 1 of 1950 of the year, determine the exchange rate in relation to foreign currencies based on the gold content of the ruble established in paragraph 2:

    4 RUB for one American dollar instead of the existing 5 r. 30 cop.
    11 rub. 20 cop. for one British pound instead of the existing 14 r. 84 cop.

    To instruct the USSR State Bank to accordingly change the ruble exchange rate in relation to other foreign currencies.

    In case of further changes in the gold content of foreign currencies or changes in their rates, the USSR State Bank shall establish the ruble exchange rate in relation to foreign currencies taking into account these changes. ”

    http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sssr/sov_governor/stalin/00117.html
  56. 0
    5 January 2016 19: 46
    Quote: Tatiana
    In this regard, for an unbiased and scientifically sound understanding of the essence of this problem and what is happening today, I advise you to read Nikolai Starikov’s new book “Who made Hitler attack Stalin” - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. - 368 c .: ill. Everything is explained in great detail there.
    I would give the State Prize to N. Starikov for this book. A worthy thing for understanding the national security of Russia.

    Tatyana, the book may be well written, I don’t argue, but there are 2 questions:
    1. Should we classify it as artistic literature or scientific-historical literature? If it’s scientific, why are there no academic reviewers?
    2. There are practically no references to historically significant documents in the book - which means it’s still bad. Liter.
    1. 0
      6 January 2016 08: 36
      Dear Alexander!
      This is historical journalism rather, and at the level of historical research. N. Starikov himself is a historian by training and knows how to work with historical materials, documents, and analyze the work of other researchers. He sees other people's mistakes and tries to avoid making similar mistakes in his books. This book simply surpasses a doctoral dissertation - it has an academic level. What I particularly like about it is the way it works by comparing the historical dates of different events in different political camps. It works great! Then his style of presentation is good, with humor, the text is not boring to read. Although the material is very serious to think about. I learned a lot of new things for myself. For example, I used to read Mein Kampf and serious books about Hitler, the Gestapo, etc. Starikov also considers all these books in his research, but not as I do, but as a professional historian. His gaze greatly calibrated my vision on this issue - I no longer had many questions to which I had not found answers before. Then the book contains a lot of information about the state of weapons of England, France, the USA, Germany, and Russia before the war. The author explains a lot. Moreover, it explains from a neutral political position the achievement of relative objective truth. Therefore, his book is dedicated to “All those who fell for Russia” - both in the First World War, and in the Second World War, and in the civil war, both Red and White. You will discover many fundamentally new things in the light of the projection of those events onto today. For example, the fuss around today's Ukraine, Poland, Germany, in which they will now again study "Mein Kampf" in schools
      1. 0
        6 January 2016 09: 17
        Sharapov
        2. There are practically no references to historically significant documents in the book - which means it’s still bad. Liter.
        In the 2015 edition of the book, which I recommend - the printed version - all links to documents and books are indicated with page numbers.
        They say that there are earlier editions: printed from 2008, on the Internet video from 2012. I haven't seen the 2008 print.
        There is nothing written in the 2015 book that this is a reprint of the previous book. Most likely, it has been significantly modified and expanded by the author - essentially, like a new book.
  57. +6
    5 January 2016 19: 47
    I was 100% right. Today, as confirmation, Priest Kirkorov sang a song. about Orlova. That she was a ray of light in the dark kingdom of Stalin. It’s interesting that this bitch didn’t think that if it weren’t for Stalin, there would be neither Orlova nor this creature. And the words were definitely written by Jews...
    1. 0
      6 January 2016 06: 43
      The same performance by Kirkpdorich slightly strained me. Well, at the New Wave in Sochi it’s necessary to start with the “cultured” liberal-treacherous propaganda working on the “subconscious”! It’s time and long overdue to do a CLEAN-UP in the MEDIA space. And, by the way, censorship is not a curse, but a necessity.
  58. +1
    5 January 2016 19: 49
    I'm wondering. The entire administration of this site are ardent anti-communists, but articles about Stalin appear regularly and are not removed from the resource. A natural question arises: why and why? Plus, all articles in the “Opinions” section are pre-screened and unnecessary ones are deleted.
    1. cap
      +1
      6 January 2016 03: 03
      Quote: Gorinich
      A natural question arises: why and why? Plus, all articles in the “Opinions” section are pre-screened and unnecessary ones are deleted

      If there is a possibility. And most likely there is. By comparing the current and previous years, you can calculate the rate of extinction of supporters of the socialist idea. Yes, many conclusions can be drawn. If this is done constantly. You can calculate the average temperature in a society, or its social cross-section. hi If there is an order for such research, according to the laws of the market, it is paid for.
  59. +1
    5 January 2016 19: 51
    Quote: GSH-18
    ShturmKGB
    , I think from there the insight and psychological literacy of Stalin.

    We have seen this insight. Half the country in the gulag for a plate of balandy, the country was rising from its knees. Insight is top grade. I definitely don’t need that. Another interesting point, the site talked a lot about the industrialization carried out by Stalin.
    So, I recently found out, THIS and industrialization was carried out later, due to the supply of equipment and technologies for lend-lease, and transported captured equipment from Nazi Germany. There are plenty of examples. Until now, places of German machine tools and equipment are working. So that. For some reason, all the pluses of the country's development are attributed to Stalin alone. request My opinion is that he participated in this indirectly. And such public opinion is the consequences of the Cult of Personality. Just like now in North Korea.
    Do you want to feel about what Stalinism is? Here drive to North Korea, and see how ordinary people survive there. And then wipe the snot on Stalin. You can minus. I have said everything.

    Actually, I drove And there is no prostitution there And robberies on the streets too (these are advantages) There are also disadvantages But the front-line soldiers (I say because I saw it myself) who went to the front not by conscription but as volunteers due to age (not to be confused with armor) per day Victories, sitting at the head of the table, raised the first toast **To the Motherland for Stalin for the Victory** but in the revolution those who were against **Red-bellied and sailors in the village with the Revagans* Even for them, who survived civil dispossession and collectivization, Stalin was **great** and an organizer Victories And those who so vehemently criticize Stalin, look at yourself, are you really such angels and have you really had such a sinless life?
    1. 0
      5 January 2016 20: 07
      Add:
      There, as in the USSR, homosexuals are not made into honored people and embezzlers are not rewarded for services to the Fatherland... True, we have this...
  60. -4
    5 January 2016 20: 18
    Fire, fire, fire!
    Let everything around burn!
    Imperial truth light
    Let the ashes illuminate.
    Our world is mired in sin!
    The blood must wash it away!
    We are fighting a bad fight
    To the sound of bells.

    Can't forget
    You can't forgive
    Sin can only be expiated.
    Must suffer
    And die
    Bathe!
    Your Sin

    Burn, fire, burn!
    Let's burn the heretics!
    Fire caresses the eye
    Divine bonfires.
    They won't stop us
    Tricks of dark forces,
    We will clear them from
    This world is rotten!

    Can't forget
    You can't forgive
    Sin can only be expiated.
    Must suffer
    And die
    Bathe!
    Your Sin
    And Heresy

    Lyrics to HMKids song "Redemption". Although it was written under the influence of Warhammer 40,000, it is surprisingly suitable for our world today.
  61. +8
    5 January 2016 20: 19
    I think that the question of assessing the role of IV STALIN in the modern history of the world order was answered by our “sworn friends”. And their assessment indicates that in the 20th century the World has not seen a more powerful Political and Economic Figure who was able to raise the greatness and well-being of every citizen of the Soviet country to the level of developed capitalist countries. At present, all the verbal “stool” of our “sworn friends” in the West and offended representatives of the “God’s chosen tribe” about the “bloody tyrant” testify only to their meanness and ingratitude towards the accomplishments that this PERSON accomplished for their own well-being. For some reason, not a single individual from the “God’s chosen tribe” considered himself responsible for the fact that only thanks to IV STALIN the so-called “state of Israel” exists. And only thanks to him, some ungrateful descendants of the “tribe of Israel” have the opportunity today to pour slop on His grave. Only individuals of the “tribe of Israel” consider themselves offended by all the peoples of the world, because Hitler destroyed 6 million of their brothers, so the whole World is obliged to take them into account. At the same time, for some reason these individuals forget about the 27 million Russians killed by Hitler, the 50 million Chinese killed by the Japanese and millions of other peoples, to whose destruction their brothers from the “tribe of Israel” had a hand. It was they who created the Fed of the United States, and on their conscience lie the victims of two World Wars, and the third World War is on the threshold. Therefore, think about what kind of cynicism you need to have in order to call for pity for your tribe, while simultaneously inciting hatred towards other peoples. This is how “friendship of peoples” turns out. Conclusion: JV STALIN IS THE GREATEST LEADER OF MODERN TIME, THE USSR IS A COUNTRY OF ADVANCED SOCIO-ECONOMIC FORMATION, MOSCOW IS THE THIRD ROME, there will not be a fourth. Something like this. Happy New Year and Merry Christmas everyone!
  62. 0
    5 January 2016 20: 29
    Quote: Petrof
    irretrievable losses of the Soviet army, including prisoners, during the Battle of Rzhev 1942-1943 amounted to 605 people (c) great military leaders commanded, yes


    Well, not everyone was great. As always, at all times, there are scoundrels among friends. And among the generals of the Red Army there was their own “fifth column” - internal traitors.
    Watch and listen to Valery Pyakin about this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKht-7jCfio
  63. 0
    5 January 2016 20: 36
    some kind of fake.
  64. +2
    5 January 2016 20: 39
    If we take into account the fact that serfdom was abolished in 1861, then by 1924 less than half a century had passed, and then the country moved forward with leaps and bounds in the development of industry. Thousands and thousands of enterprises opened their doors, under it. After less. Yes, space was the first. But the “foundation "He laid it. So what now???
    The heads of state corporations RECEIVE a salary like a shop. Just for what???! What did they personally do that was so serious??? and the hard workers are pennies for their work!!!
  65. +5
    5 January 2016 20: 45
    For comparison, you can read about the fate of Stalin’s children, where men from the army “didn’t mow down”...
    http://www.rg.ru/2013/11/22/allilueva-site.html

    Another fact in favor of Stalin. He did not travel abroad like a tourist, spending government money both on travel arrangements and on security. He tried to solve all matters inside, at home... And he ruled the country himself, and not through intermediaries, and did not allow his wife to govern... And the secretaries of regional committees and city committees “appointed by him” were not in a hurry to go on vacation to some Kiribati.. Therefore, beautiful cities were built, the metro architecture was the best, and the sanatoriums of the All-Russian Central Council of Trade Unions and other departments were normal.
    My father’s pension was 138 rubles, when the average salary in the country was slightly higher. And the worker could live with dignity on his salary... And the cities were clean... And there was also Uncle Styopa, a policeman, and not a cop in law...
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 05: 14
      Quote: yuriy55

      Another fact in favor of Stalin. He did not travel abroad like a tourist, spending government money both on travel arrangements and on security. I tried to solve all matters inside, at home.

      Well, why only this fact?
      Comrade Stalin did not travel much around the country, but nevertheless he knew all the directors and chief designers personally, in almost all industries, but especially, of course, in the defense industry.
      And now a few more facts.
      Imagine if in those days Comrade Stalin and Comrade Kalinin would have climbed into the river for an amphora, or, say, would have flown in an airship ahead of the Siberian Cranes, and then gone to the taiga to save a tiger, taken photos there and... These photos would be printed in the editorial pages of the Pravda newspaper every single day and reported by the Sovinformburo in the voice of Levitan. And what would people say to this? wassatMost likely, they are, to put it mildly, unreasonable.
      And now many people like it request
      But no, these comrades were engaged in other things, smaller and less significant ones - they built factories, palaces of culture, hospitals, theaters, schools, strengthened defenses.
      I don’t understand one thing: have we completely become stupid or are we taking some kind of cruel stupidity to confuse all this?
      And in appearance, people seem like people... Ugh, this makes me sick...
  66. +3
    5 January 2016 20: 45
    Stalin, of course, is an outstanding personality. On a global scale, without any discounts. And like all the greats, with his own pros and cons.
  67. +1
    5 January 2016 20: 55
    Today it is difficult to imagine what it was like in the USSR.
  68. +2
    5 January 2016 20: 56
    It’s not clear why every week you post articles about Stalin in order to mock the asshole in the comments?
  69. cap
    +3
    5 January 2016 21: 16
    "China built a 36-meter gilded statue of Mao Zedong
    19:27, January 5, 2016 1 177
    A 36-meter gilded statue of the first Chairman of the People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong, was built in the Chinese province of Henan, The People's Daily reported on Tuesday, January 5.
    A giant golden monument rises in Tongxu County, Henan Province.
    According to the publication, the monument was almost entirely paid for by local businessmen - they raised about three million yuan (approximately 460 thousand dollars) for construction. But some residents of the surrounding villages also took part in raising funds for the construction.
    Henan Province was one of the areas hardest hit by famine during Mao's Great Leap Forward in the late 1950s. This is an economic and political campaign carried out in China from 1958 to 1960. Its goal was to strengthen the industrial base and sharply boost the country's economy. As a result of this social experiment, about 40 million people died from starvation."

    Remembering Stalin, one cannot help but remember the Great Helmsman. His cult was fought no less diligently. And here's what came out of it.
  70. +4
    5 January 2016 21: 26
    Are you unable to compare the standard of living in the USSR and the current one? Who are you to condemn Stalin? What have you done for your country? Not a single leader is worth his fingernail after him.
  71. +3
    5 January 2016 21: 43
    “The Russian people are invincible, inexhaustible!” Unfortunately, we are exhausting the Russian people... We need to take care of people. Preserve them. Russian people are the main wealth of Russia!! I repeat once again, Russian people are the main wealth of RUSSIA. Without us there will be no Russia. In the West they understand this very well. That’s why they hate and destroy Russians in every possible way. Alcohol, drugs and other rubbish. And “they cut down the forest, the chips fly” is not the preservation of the people..
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 04: 13
      2. How many were repressed?

      How many were repressed? Until today, in fact, the only source about the quantity
      shot and repressed in 1937 and 1938 is a certificate from 1953. It is called
      “Certificate from the special department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs on the number of those arrested and convicted by the Cheka-OGPU-
      NKVD of the USSR in 1921–1953” and dates from December 11, 1953 [20]. The certificate was signed by acting boss
      1st special department by Colonel Pavlov (1st special department was the accounting and archival department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs). These numbers
      used by serious scientists, “memorial” activists and even outright traitors (Yakovlev
      and associates). So, in 1937, 353 people were sentenced to death, in 074 - 1938 (about a hundred
      thousand sentenced to VMN occurred in all other years from 1918 to 1953, of which the absolute
      most during the war years). In February 1954, Rudenko et al. in a memo addressed to
      Khrushchev gave a figure of 642 people sentenced to capital punishment (CMN) from 980 to
      early 1954
      Subsequently, this figure tended to increase. Already in 1956, in a certificate from the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      there were 688.238 executed (not sentenced to VMN, but executed) from among
      arrested on charges of anti-Soviet activities only for the period 1935–40. In the same
      year, Pospelov’s commission put the figure at 688 executed during the same period. In 503 in
      The report of the Shvernik commission named an even higher figure - 748 executed during the period
      1935–1953, of which 631 were in 897–1937. by decision of extrajudicial authorities. In 38, in the certificate
      The KGB of the USSR, presented to Gorbachev, named 786 executed in 098–1930. In 55
      according to the head of the department of registration and archival forms of the MBRF for 1917–90. there is data on
      827 sentenced to VMN for state and similar crimes [995].
      The figure of 642 people sentenced to VMN from 980 to 1921 has already been included in textbooks
      history and has not yet been disputed by anyone [6]. In the collection, “Military Historical Archive” (number 4 (64) for
      2005) provides data that in 1937–1938, all types of judicial bodies convicted
      1 people, of which 355 were classified as VMN [196].

      http://vkni.narod.ru/repressii.pdf
  72. 0
    5 January 2016 21: 49
    Quote: EvgNik
    Quote: Sharapov
    do not care that the aforementioned soothsayer flushed the greatest war, the people redeemed in blood

    Sharapov, I beg you, do not read liberal writers and the likes of the CIA Solzhenitsyn. From them all the troubles.

    And God forbid you watch programs with the participation of Zvonidze and similar pseudo-historians at night.
  73. -4
    5 January 2016 21: 51
    said to the point, neither give nor take
  74. -3
    5 January 2016 21: 56
    Well done Georgian, I respect you.
  75. +5
    5 January 2016 21: 59
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: cobra77
    We need not liberal tactics (who GDP is, because strategically he thinks rather poorly), but a cynical and tough strategist. Good manager. And this is not about GDP. Just another on the horizon is not visible. So there is no need for illusions.

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    Situationally, at the response level, it is almost flawless. But supporting such a failed course of his friend Medvedev, he can lose credibility. Mikhail Delyagin describes the current failure course well. Usually, after the crises of 1998 or 2008, we did not like it for more than six months, and here for a year and a half we are forced to pay for the failed course of the Government, while referring to the pseudo sanctions of the West.



    Well, I say tactician. Its level does not extend beyond six months to a year. And even if the environment does not make adjustments to his endeavors, which happens quite often. He is not poorly managed in foreign policy (if you don’t have to look further than a year), he balances well between the forces within, he is a good master of place and time, but that’s all. For a head of state at the level of the Russian Federation, and even one who is in a state of semi-collapse, this is not enough, extremely little. In fact, without the Ukrainian crisis, the collapse of the ruble exchange rate and economic stagnation would still have occurred. It would just stretch out a little. And here it turned out conveniently, there is something to write off systemic problems, there is an external enemy (yes, he really exists, but he never went anywhere before, but for some reason we played giveaway with him), there are “sanctions”, there is a drop in oil. Very similar to Ukraine, only without such intensity of idiocy and obscurantism. A country at the level of the Russian Federation cannot live normally by filling its economy only with oil and gas. This may suit Norway or the Saudis, but not us. And our entire current government plan is to patch up holes in any way and wait for oil to rebound to $100. Let's think about what will happen if oil remains at $35 for a long time, at least for 5 years? But this is extremely likely. The world economy is experiencing a recession and even China with all its power is sagging. When will everything settle down? Within 5 years, the remainder of all funds will be consumed, guaranteed. The budget is already very much in deficit, despite the fact that a lot has been cut, including in the military and near-military sphere (I know it personally from work). Social programs have already begun to be cut little by little. We can forget about pension savings for a couple of years now; they have been forgiven us. A bunch of small and medium-sized businesses have already reached either zero or minus. And this means salary cuts (while prices are skyrocketing) and layoffs. And in large things, not everything is curly (well, except for Rusnano: smile ). And yes, we have a normal president and we don’t need a second Stalin.... yeah...

    I’m not worried about myself (if anyone suddenly thought that I was crying), I’m a programmer and if anything happens I’ll just go back to offshore programming for bucks and euros (as was the case in the early XNUMXs). But it’s a shame for the state...
  76. +1
    5 January 2016 22: 04
    Quote: “..If a socialist country binds its currency to a capitalist currency, then the social-country should forget about an independent stable financial and economic system. I.V. Stalin. "

    As an example of perpetual financial, and, therefore, political dependence on the West, Stalin cited Yugoslavia, whose currency was tied to the “basket” of the US dollar and British pound. Stalin said: "... that sooner or later the West will Yugoslavia" collapse "economically and politically dismember ...".

    (This forecast came true 40 years after the death of Stalin, in 1991-1999, when the NATO military bloc, supporting separatism in Yugoslavia, unleashed military aggression and dismembered a single country)

    Isn't it time for Putin to fire ALL liberal monetary ministers of the financial and economic bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation and the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, nationalize the branches of the US Administration in Moscow - the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and restore the effect of the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of February 28, 1950?
  77. +1
    5 January 2016 22: 05
    Damn, we're stuck belay guys because of this article! Stalin I.V. historical character! Of course, you just need to know history! Otherwise, if you forget it winked then she doesn't tell us that No. forgive me! Under Stalin everything was good and bad what was. And as a leader he was a tough person even in some cases am cruel! But these facts have not changed history and the facts remain facts, recourse whatever it was! And knowing these historical facts, you can no longer repeat the mistakes that were made in those distant and historical days! For this you need to know and remember history!!! Yes
  78. +3
    5 January 2016 22: 13
    Quote: yuriy55
    Quote: B.T.W.
    "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities."
    Omar Khayyam


    But in life it is much closer and simpler:
    https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/Элеонора_Рузвельт


    I have vague doubts about Eleanor Roosevelt. There is a difference of 700 years between the statements. Khayyam lived in the 11th and 12th centuries.
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 04: 22
      Quote: S_Baykala
      I have vague doubts about Eleanor Roosevelt. There is a difference of 700 years between the statements. Khayyam lived in the 11th and 12th centuries.


      Nobody canceled plagiarism.
    2. +3
      6 January 2016 04: 22
      I didn’t worry for a long time, but simply compared the style... It just jarred “Large... medium... small...”. Close to merchant slang. And here (Omar Khayyam) is a scientist, poet, philosopher... Here, for example (in translation):

      In this world of the wrong, don't be a fool:
      Don’t you dare rely on those around you.
      Look with a steady eye at your closest friend -
      A friend may be the worst enemy.


      Only those who are worse than us think badly of us, and those who are better than us... They simply have no time for us

      Better to fall into poverty, starve or steal,
      Than the number of dishonored despicable to get.
      Better to swallow bones than to seduce sweets
      At the table of the scoundrels in power.

      hi
  79. +3
    5 January 2016 22: 13
    To everything stated below or above....FOR PUTIN!!!For now only him!!!
    1. -3
      6 January 2016 06: 54
      “For now, only him..” And there will be no other move. The EBN elite will not allow a new leader to emerge, who will not only deal with “m/d people’s” multi-steps, but also with his own country. Not the State (Gov 0), but the country, the people, their daily aspirations, concerns... The current Byzantine Basileus is only concerned about himself and his “family”...
  80. -3
    5 January 2016 22: 18
    NANOVATNIK
    1. cap
      0
      5 January 2016 22: 57
      Quote: Baboon
      NANOVATNIK

      The message is wrong. This is the correct one. hi
      1. cap
        -2
        5 January 2016 23: 13
        warriorwarrior
        I was personally very impressed by the store. It seems that duct tape is already a thing of the past wassat

        If someone is scared...That's good! laughing
  81. 0
    5 January 2016 22: 20
    It's all true...

    For a good ten years now I have been observing how the truth of many of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin’s statements is being confirmed - and not only those voiced in this article. Although. Until a certain point, he was rather an anti-Stalinist. But, as practice shows, only a person who is absolutely dishonest/insensitive and/or completely divorced from reality can remain a true liberal in adulthood... Which is unusual for most of our people - no matter how we are convinced otherwise...

    The Russian people are good people! The Russian people, among all nations, have the greatest patience! The Russian people have a clear mind. It’s as if he was born to help other nations! The Russian people are characterized by great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is proactive. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a purpose. That’s why it’s harder for him than for other nations. You can rely on him in any trouble. The Russian people are invincible, inexhaustible!”
  82. +2
    5 January 2016 22: 21
    When Stalin died, many people in the country cried, after him
    Only the relatives and friends of the deceased leaders had tears.
  83. +1
    5 January 2016 22: 24
    Stalin wrote and spoke a lot about Zionism. Stalin fought against Zionism. But ultimately Stalin lost. An interesting video about the murder of Vlad Listyev. Explains a lot about our country.
  84. +3
    5 January 2016 22: 26
    Many people have said and are saying such words about our people, but every time it touches my soul and chills me to the liver with the thought that I am Russian!

    I believe that a Russian is someone who understands our language in its full palette, who does not need to explain the meaning of proverbs and sayings! Anyone who can think in Russian as their native language becomes Russian, the Russian language rebuilds a person’s soul, if you are imbued with its essence - congratulations, you have become a Russian Person!
    1. +2
      6 January 2016 05: 44
      It has long been said: Russian is not a nationality - Russian is a way of life and thinking. It’s not for nothing that over the hill all of us, regardless of nationality, are called Russians. It’s the same and vice versa: I can’t call people Russian who betrayed the country and people, who profit from the troubles of the people and go to live off the loot abroad.
  85. +5
    5 January 2016 22: 27
    Let's assume that we know nothing about any country and will judge its well-being by the growth of its population.

    Let's take population growth data for two historical periods of the country.

    The first is the population growth over 20 years from 104 to 932 (increased by more than 000 million)

    The second period is a drop in population over 20 years from 148 to 561 (decreased by more than 694 million 143 thousand people).

    Knowing this data about which of these two periods can you confidently say that life was hard for the people in it (famine, severe war, repression, genocide).
    Any person who knows nothing about the country will certainly choose the second period.

    so the first period is Russia (RSFSR) from 1937 to 1957 (the “years of tyranny”, “repression”, “genocide” according to liberals and other fosterlings) and the second period is Russia (RSFSR) from 1993 to 2013 (the “years freedom of speech and democracy" according to liberals).

    So the grounds for opening a memorial to the victims of the “years of freedom and democracy of the 90s” are many times greater than those of the victims of Stalin’s repressions (from 1937 to 1939, the population of the RSFSR grew by more than 3 million without any materiel and nursing of non-viable children who, from birth organ transplantation and lifelong rehabilitation at state expense are needed).

    Liberals hate Stalin not for the repression of the common people, but because he gave them, who considered themselves above the law and not subject to jurisdiction, equal rights with the people.

    1937 was the year when everyone, regardless of status and position, was equal before the laws and there were no untouchables in reality.
    In fact, in 1937, Stalin inoculated the then elite against theft of the state for several decades to come.
  86. +4
    5 January 2016 22: 28
    That’s why it’s harder for him than for other nations. You can rely on him in any trouble. The Russian people are invincible, inexhaustible!”

    It seems that they have exhausted themselves in the world's turmoil, if Russian women go to give birth to children
    blacks, Arabs and other Turks. I'm not a nationalist, but who will give birth to Russians?
    kids? Dvorkovich and Nabiulina, and Medvedev will take delivery?
  87. +7
    5 January 2016 22: 31
    I never cease to be amazed at attempts to compare Putin and Stalin!
    Compare leader one country, later 80 yearsand leader of another country, working today, it’s like arguing which is better: hot or dark purple.
    Stalin can be compared with Churchill, Roosevelt, Hitler, Mussolini.
    And Putin - with Bush (Obama, Clinton), Schroeder (Merkel, Kohl), or with Kim Jong-un (Kim Jong-il), for example,
    etc. This comparison seems appropriate and justified to me.
    During his lifetime, Stalin was loved and feared at the same time, in the sense that both feelings coexisted in one person. We were afraid, you know? Did it even occur to you to vilify him for his mistakes (or were there no mistakes?!), like they vilify Putin? Few, and even those in the same head, passed 9 grams.
    And so now you don't have to be afraid. But how can you love!
    Let the GDP be finalized, wait for the result, and then compare. Well, if it’s so hot, compare it with Stalin, just wait for the result!
    I read the comments, especially those in which, as in Magadan: “-49”, and below, as in liquid nitrogen; I compensated one by one: everything I can. For the firmness of your views!

    And the last thing: the article about prophecies and Stalin’s assessments of the Russian people, and what was the discussion about??!!
    The first post set the tone - and away we go!
  88. +1
    5 January 2016 22: 38
    Quote: Yanik
    To everything stated below or above....FOR PUTIN!!!For now only him!!!

    More precisely, not For, but Putin, in reality so far he is the only one who enjoys such authority in the World!
  89. 0
    5 January 2016 22: 39
    He thought strongly, but now he is gone, therefore, all hope is in the current leader, the main thing is that he does not choke in liberalism
    1. -1
      6 January 2016 06: 59
      Initially, he “choked in liberalism”... “The retinue MADE THE KING!”
  90. -3
    5 January 2016 22: 41
    This is not a prediction. This is a statement of the fact of the greatness of the Russian (then Soviet) people by one of the greatest geniuses of mankind.
  91. 0
    5 January 2016 22: 49
    The bourgeoisie and corrupt bureaucrats will never give up what they stole in a good way, and a civil war is an abyss into which our “partners” and other “colleagues” will be happy to push Russia. Conclusion: political will is needed from above, before a revolution occurs from below, which will sweep away everyone, both right and wrong. Unfortunately, so far there is no such will, there is a ostentatious “fight” against corruption, the distraction of public opinion by foreign policy actions... The Russian people, of course, are long-suffering, but how long this patience will last is the question...
  92. +2
    5 January 2016 22: 59
    Stalin was the ruler of his era! The era is harsh and tyrannical.
    There is no one who can be blamed for anything)
    Cherchel, what skeletons are there in his closet?
    1 famine in Bengal during which up to 2,5 million people died
    2 During the famine in India, up to 80 million people went hungry, Britain stopped publishing data on famine victims.
    3 bonfire Irish about 100 thousand.
    and his words from 1937: "I do not believe that any injustice has been done to the aborigines of Australia - a wiser, purer race has come and taken their place." True shitcrat)
    In general, this is an English Hitler!

    Roosevelt
    1942 More than 120 thousand people were placed in the camps; exact data has not been disclosed; it is known that there were Germans, Japanese, Italians and Poles.
    1. 0
      6 January 2016 05: 59
      Quote: MolGro
      Stalin was the ruler of his era! Eras of harsh and tyrannical

      Have we ever had other eras?
  93. -3
    5 January 2016 23: 03
    Quote: Mahmut
    Well, where else are they. Or ambassadors, or to the wall. Like waste material.


    with this kind of thinking, if you were president, we would have all and sundry, since much would be a secret to us.
  94. 0
    5 January 2016 23: 04
    Comrade officers! Note! Not a single representative with the flag of “God’s chosen tribe” responded when discussing this information. Is your conscience stuck? Which I certainly doubt. Most likely, the team from Mattress did not dare to use their favorite method of denial. Although, in my opinion, for them everything is the same as urine or dew. Something like this. Happy New Year and Merry Christmas everyone!
  95. +3
    5 January 2016 23: 05
    GREAT PERSON!!!!
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  97. +4
    5 January 2016 23: 27
    The more documents I read about Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, the more I am convinced that he was a brilliant man!!! hi
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    0
    6 January 2016 00: 02
    By the way, under Stalin you would have been SHOOT. And they would have done the right thing.

    Most likely they would not have been shot, Stalin was too humane.
  99. +6
    6 January 2016 00: 07
    Quote: lopvlad
    Liberals hate Stalin not for the repression of the common people, but because he gave them, who considered themselves above the law and not subject to jurisdiction, equal rights with the people.


    I agree.

    In addition, apparently, the main reason for the frantic denigration of Stalin by the ruling classes of many countries, including the late USSR, is that he actively and effectively fought against the tyranny and destructiveness of the “boyars” (that is, those who considered themselves the untouchable elite) from arbitrariness and often whose betrayal Rus' suffered for centuries...

    A similar situation with Ivan the Terrible...
  100. +4
    6 January 2016 00: 37
    Quote: Good AAAH
    By the way, I wrote about this in another topic. But everything has quieted down there, they will read a little. But the thought is.
    That's what I’m thinking about now. Whom we cleaned our faces not so long ago is not very bad about us and vice versa.
    The Germans were cleaned up during the war, sent to construction sites of the national economy. Not really yelling at us.
    Hungarians during the riot cleaned up, now barking towards the EU, sometimes.
    The Czechs were also cleaned, behaving normally towards us, without squeals.
    But the Poles were not cleaned, somehow it worked out. Ardent Russophobia.
    The Bulgarians helped, they helped, they helped us to step with the South Stream, and closed the space for our aircraft.
    We have not cleaned the Baltic states, we are reaping the benefits.

    Conclusion: often clean and force to work on construction sites of the national economy, then they will love us.
    By the way, the Anglo-Saxons did not work there either.

    People will love us when WE ourselves begin to love and respect OURSELVES!!! Then, when 1 ruble costs 70$!!!!
    1. +1
      6 January 2016 00: 55
      People will love us when WE ourselves begin to love and respect OURSELVES!!! Then, when 1 ruble costs 70$!!!!
      you probably meant 0.7 $ dear wink
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      2. 0
        6 January 2016 04: 50
        He proposed a slightly different scenario, when a dollar would cost a little more than a penny... Like this, approximately: