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And after the executions in Saudi Arabia, the West will continue to humiliate itself before the monarchy? (The Independent, UK)

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The public mass execution in Saudi Arabia, during which 47 people were beheaded, including the influential Shiite preacher Sheikh Nimr Bakr al-Nimr, was fully consistent with ISIL crimes. Perhaps this was the point. This incredible slaughter on the land of the Sunni Muslim monarchy — undoubtedly, intended to anger the Iranians and the entire Shiite world — has further inflamed the religious conflict that ISIS has been hard pressed upon.

The only thing missing was the execution video, although all the 158 executions that occurred in Saudi Arabia last year fully corresponded to the Wahhabi teachings of the Islamic State. The Macbet “blood for blood” can undoubtedly be applied to the Saudis, whose “war on terrorism” now seems to justify any blood, both Sunni and Shiite. But how often are the angels of God the All-Merciful being the current Minister of the Interior, Crown Prince Mohamed bin Nayef?

Sheikh Nimr was not just an ordinary preacher. He spent many years as a theologian in Tehran and Syria, was a highly respected Shiite Friday prayer leader in Eastern Saudi Arabia, who did not side with any political parties, but demanded free elections and was often imprisoned and tortured. that opposed the Sunni Wahhabi government of Saudi Arabia. Sheikh Nimr said that words are stronger than violence. And the statement of the Saudi authorities that this punishment did not bear the imprint of interfaith struggle — both Shiites and Sunnis were beheaded — this explanation is typical of ISIL rhetoric.

After all, ISIS militants execute Sunni "apostates", Syrian Sunnis, and Iraqi soldiers as easily as they kill Shiites. If Sheikh Nimr had fallen into the hands of ISIS militants, they would have treated him just as the authorities of Saudi Arabia had treated him — albeit without the farce of a pseudo-legal court opposed by Amnesty International.

However, these executions were not only a manifestation of Saudi hatred towards the spiritual leader, who rejoiced at the death of the former Interior Minister of Saudi Arabia - Mohammed bin Nayef’s father, crown prince Nayef Abdul-Aziz al-Saud - expressing hope that "worms will eat him and threaten all the torments of hell after death." The execution of Nimr will provoke a new Hussite uprising in Yemen, which Saudi Arabia invaded this year and where she began her bombing campaign in an attempt to destroy the power of the Shiites there. She already enraged the Shiite majority of Bahrain. And the spiritual leaders of Iran said that this penalty will result in the overthrow of the royal family of Saudi Arabia.

This execution will put the West before the most delicate problem of the Middle East - facing the continuing need to cringe and humiliate the rich and autocratic monarchs of the Gulf countries as opposed to mildly expressing their concern for the grotesque execution of the enemies of the Kingdom. If ISIL militants had cut off the heads of Sunnis and Shiites in Raqqa - especially if they executed the Shiite preacher Sheikh Nimr - we would be sure that David Cameron would have already written on Twitter about his indignation. However, a person who ordered to lower the British flag in connection with the death of the last king of this Wahhabi state will avoid sharp expressions in every way by commenting on this execution.

No matter how many Al-Qaeda Sunnis are executed by Saudi executioners, Washington and European capitals inevitably face one question: is Saudi Arabia really trying to destroy the foundations of the Iranian nuclear agreement, forcing its Western allies to support such atrocities? In the world in which they live - where the young Minister of Defense, who invaded Yemen, has a sharp antipathy towards the Minister of the Interior - the Saudis continue to boast of their participation in an “anti-terrorist” coalition that includes 34 predominantly Sunni states, which must form a legion of Muslim opposing the "terror".

The execution of 47 people in Saudi Arabia was undoubtedly a completely unprecedented way to celebrate the New Year - and almost as spectacular as the luxurious fireworks in Dubai that took place despite the fire in one of the best hotels in the Emirates. If we ignore the political background of what happened, another obvious question arises concerning the permanent dynasty of the Saudis: have the rulers of the Kingdom gone crazy?
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  1. Leprekon
    Leprekon 5 January 2016 12: 45
    22
    For the USA and its sixes, this is not a question. This is not a "heroic hundred" on the Maidan in the outskirts!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 5 January 2016 12: 50
      18
      Quote: Leprechaun
      For the West, this is not a question. This is not a "heroic hundred" on the Maidan!


      They also compared me ... there democracy and universal values ​​are only developing ... but the Saudis have this ... good day ...

      I was more amused by the statements of the Saudis that they would drum the White House with a black man in it or not ... laughing
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 5 January 2016 12: 58
        10
        The West wants this ..

        And most importantly ...
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 January 2016 14: 42
          14
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          The West wants this ..

          The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia keep only on the "bayonets" of the US assistance from the Israeli regime and support from various terrorist groups that they create together with the same US and Israel. The SA has a lot of money with which they "breed" terrorists, and if, for example, the United States is not so important and they just solve their issues with the help of the CA, then Israel is clearly creating and spreading terrorists together with Saudi Arabia.

          Therefore, for example, we hear threats from ISIS (IS) towards Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, England and even the United States, but we do not hear them towards Turkey, Saudi Arabia or one of the main "friends" of terrorists - Israel.
          Chief Saudi Mufti: “The militants of the Islamic state are Israeli soldiers”
          The chief mufti of Saudi Arabia said in an interview with the local newspaper Okaz that in fact the Islamic State is part of the Israeli military machine. ”
          http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/12/30/glavniy-saudovskiy-muftiy--boev
          iki-islamskogo-gosudarstva - eto-izrailskie-soldati /
          1. Neksel
            Neksel 5 January 2016 15: 24
            -14 qualifying.
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Therefore, for example, we hear threats from ISIS (IS) towards Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, England and even the United States, but we do not hear them towards Turkey, Saudi Arabia or one of the main "friends" of terrorists - Israel.


            Padded jacket, Israel! FAS!

            Then you read all the news of the world with the mention of Israel, and then suddenly it is convenient to "skip" and turn it upside down ...
            It seems that the padded jacket has already been banned even on all search engines ...
            so offhand, for example:

            http://ria.ru/world/20151226/1349706594.html - СМИ: лидер ИГ выступил с угрозами в адрес Израиля

            http://politrussia.com/news/glavar-daish-abu-bakr-373/ - Главарь ДАИШ Абу-Бакр аль-Багдади "послал привет" Израилю

            http://lifenews.ru/news/177244 - СМИ: Лидер ДАИШ выступил с угрозами в адрес Израиля

            "Militants of the terrorist group DAISH * published another video recording where their leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi threatens terrorist attacks against Israel. This is reported by the publication "Haaretz".

            In his address, al-Baghdadi stated that the Israelis had vainly hoped that he and his henchmen “forgot about Palestine”. According to him, the terrorists "not for a minute" did not forget about the Palestinians and are approaching their country every day.

            He also tried to prove that, despite all the efforts of the international community, the bombing did not cause much damage to the militants.

            Recall that in October Daesh first published a Hebrew video clip addressed to Israel.

            * Arabic abbreviation for ISIS. The organization was banned in the Russian Federation by the decision of the Supreme Court. "
            1. Private27
              Private27 5 January 2016 16: 26
              +1
              Hozyain said to mock at him a little and mourned. And the fact that the Jews fought on the side of not Hitler is this the same joke?
              1. Neksel
                Neksel 5 January 2016 16: 45
                -6
                Quote: Private27
                And the fact that the Jews fought on the side of not Hitler is the same joke?


                well, so on the side not Hitler and fought :) like my two grandfathers for example.
                And the "Jewishness" of those who served in the Wehrmacht has long been discussed on the site. If a person is 1/4 Jewish, then he is primarily 3/4 NOT Jewish.

                But many Russians did not disdain to serve with Adolph Aloizovich.
                RONA - (Russian Liberation People's Army)
                Division "Russland"
                Russian corps in Serbia
                KONR - Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia
                15-th Cossack Cavalry Corps SS
                29-I Grenadier Division of the SS "RONA" (1-I Russian)
                SS 30th Grenadier Division
                Cossack Stan
                Vlasovites and ROA

                So whose cow would mumble ... a log, but it’s in the eye, dear.
                1. sssla
                  sssla 5 January 2016 19: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Neksel
                  But many Russians did not disdain to serve with Adolph Aloizovich.

                  Muscular theme not worth a damn egg !!
                  There were Russian-speaking people, but there were real Russians with a gulkin's nose !! And the Jews in the service of the Wehrmacht were no less than in the ranks of the ROA such as "Russians". Not a dozen thousand, so singing out of tune citizen Neksel
                  1. TұrKBөrӨ
                    TұrKBөrӨ 6 January 2016 00: 56
                    +3
                    Come on ..., I wonder how did you determine that they are not real Russians? On a gulky nose?
                2. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 6 January 2016 08: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: Neksel
                  If a person is 1/4 Jew, then he is primarily 3/4 NOT a Jew.


                  Well, yes, yes ... You better tell the Jews themselves.
              2. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 5 January 2016 22: 03
                +1
                Quote: Private27
                Hozyain said to mock at him a little and mourned. And the fact that the Jews fought on the side of not Hitler is this the same joke?


                No, this is not a joke.
                The Jews who served in the Wehrmacht -10.173 were taken prisoner. For comparison, the Finns who officially fought with us captured -2.377 ... Most likely, more were buried in the ground and missing.
                According to various estimates, about 150.000 Jews fought in the Wehrmacht. Plus, in the allied troops of the Germans. Finnish officers, Jews with German "iron crosses" are not even news ...
                There are many books, articles, doc films on this subject ... who are interested, look on the Internet.
                I especially liked the story of the biography and ariization of purebred Jew Field Marshal Erhard Milch, First Deputy Goering ...
                1. TұrKBөrӨ
                  TұrKBөrӨ 6 January 2016 02: 09
                  +1
                  It reminded me of life .... In the 90s, a family of Asian appearance (speaking Russian) came to the city of K, there were 2 poratsies in the family, in the 00s they ended up in a group of skinheads because the whole area preached this subculture, and nothing lived according to their laws. Only from the side it looked ridiculous in a pronounced outfit.
                  Probably something like this was the case with these Jews. The majority decides what to do with the smaller mass.
            2. Otshelnik
              Otshelnik 5 January 2016 22: 11
              +1
              ISIS - "Israel Secret Intelligence Service" (Israel Secret Intelligence Service).
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 5 January 2016 13: 14
        11
        Well, evil boars in the photo, tin ..
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 5 January 2016 16: 00
          +9
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Well, evil boars in the photo, tin ..

          Ferrets are the cutest creatures. And in the photo - the usual savage pedophiles.
          If it were not for the oil, the proceeds of which feed these chmundels, they would still herd sheep. And a broken-down 20-year-old Toyota would be the ultimate dream for them.
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 5 January 2016 16: 36
          +7
          In the photo, yes, tin ... (though in the markets too). But the soldiers are useless, the concept of honor and military duty does not exist for them, as well as the concept of Homeland .. Their grandfathers threw their own hands during the Arab-Israeli wars at the slightest danger combat posts, our Pvoshniki right there, occupied their numbers .. Material only remains ..
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 6 January 2016 11: 39
          0
          Quote: INVESTOR
          Well, evil boars in the photo, tin ..


          You probably used the word "kharki" from the root "kharya", then I agree.
          By the way, these military units executed another execution:
          (cry.)
      3. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 5 January 2016 13: 22
        +7
        Quote: vorobey
        they will drum angry whether the White House with the black man in it or not ...
        “The West and Hypocrisy are twin brothers.” Thank God that we understood it even now.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 5 January 2016 12: 55
      20
      Quote: Leprechaun
      For the USA and its sixes, this is not a question

      The stars have already expressed their "concern" for the report. That the narrow-eyed UN secretary general bleated and everything died out. Bases and oil are more important than some theologian. request
      1. kimyth1
        kimyth1 5 January 2016 13: 08
        32
        2000
        Rescuing a dog from under the wheels of an electric train, an employee of the Special Rapid Response Squad (SOBR) "Lynx" was fatally injured, Interfax reports. According to colleagues of the deceased, on January 4, on the Novogireevo platform, a dog fell on the railroad tracks in front of an arriving electric train.
        SOBR officer 31-year-old Konstantin Volkov, who rushed to save the dog, managed to push her onto the platform. Moreover, he himself received injuries incompatible with life.
        Volkov's co-workers noted that he was a participant in hostilities, had previously served in the special forces of the Internal Troops "Rus" and had a maroon beret. Konstantin is survived by his wife and child.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 5 January 2016 13: 16
          19
          Quote: kimyth1
          2000
          Rescuing a dog from under the wheels of an electric train, an employee of the Special Rapid Response Squad (SOBR) "Lynx" was fatally injured, Interfax reports. According to colleagues of the deceased, on January 4, on the Novogireevo platform, a dog fell on the railroad tracks in front of an arriving electric train.
          SOBR officer 31-year-old Konstantin Volkov, who rushed to save the dog, managed to push her onto the platform. Moreover, he himself received injuries incompatible with life.
          Volkov's co-workers noted that he was a participant in hostilities, had previously served in the special forces of the Internal Troops "Rus" and had a maroon beret. Konstantin is survived by his wife and child.


          a separate plus for your post ... it’s not like the topic but the topic ... the values ​​are different .. we also have one man killed in a fire, rushed to a burning house for someone else’s cat ...
        2. ksv1973
          ksv1973 5 January 2016 16: 08
          +5
          Quote: kimyth1
          2000
          Rescuing a dog from under the wheels of an electric train, an employee of the Special Rapid Response Squad (SOBR) "Lynx" was fatally injured, Interfax reports. According to colleagues of the deceased, on January 4, on the Novogireevo platform, a dog fell on the railroad tracks in front of an arriving electric train.
          SOBR officer 31-year-old Konstantin Volkov, who rushed to save the dog, managed to push her onto the platform. Moreover, he himself received injuries incompatible with life.
          Volkov's co-workers noted that he was a participant in hostilities, had previously served in the special forces of the Internal Troops "Rus" and had a maroon beret. Konstantin is survived by his wife and child.

          Konstantin Volkov. I am sure that this Man did not live in vain. 31 year ... A low bow to his Parents.
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      3. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 5 January 2016 13: 17
        +5
        Rudyard Kipling, the "singer of the white man's burden," said his weighty words about this long ago in his "Ballad of East and West":

        "West is West,
        East is East,
        and they won’t leave the place.
        Until heaven and earth appear
        on the Last Judgment.
        But there is no East, and there is no West,
        what is a tribe, homeland, clan,
        If strong with a strong face to face
        Does it rise at the end of the earth? "

        The plot of the ballad: it talks about how an Indian robber, hitherto feuding with white people, enters the English army and becomes a military comrade of an English officer.
        In the West, apparently, they very much hoped that the East (in this case Saudi Arabia) would become the comrade-in-arms of the "English officer" (that is, mattress makers with their European slips). However, the Saudis, with their demonstrative and categorical denial of "universal human values" (the same execution), showed Europe and the States a goat. And they are offended, you know.
        Although in this particular case, whose cow would bellow, and the small British would keep silent. During the collapse of their colonial empire, the Britons laid down so many time mines in Asia with their policy of "divide and rule". in the Middle East, that they are mines still explode and entail chronic instability in the region.
        I have the honor.
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 5 January 2016 13: 47
          +4
          Yes, they didn’t want to show anything to anyone! Impact on Iran, the goal has been achieved. Again isolation, breaking diplomatic relations and new sanctions. Whose supply? Is its own oil in the CA market closer than Iranian.
        2. good7
          good7 5 January 2016 14: 00
          -8
          Why should the West be responsible for universal values ​​- savages are savages! Executed in KSA, and should Cameron condemn? Where is the logic? If this happened, it means that the majority of the KSA population is satisfied, otherwise they would have raised a riot a long time ago!
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 5 January 2016 13: 09
      15
      If you have oil, a couple of tribal leaders, it doesn't matter that you climbed off a palm tree a few years ago and bashfully hide your tail that has not fallen off in harem pants, you are Uncle Sam's best friend and a fighter for justice! It doesn't matter that you execute people in batches, with difficulty suppressing the desire to eat them for dinner, you are on the right track, most importantly, do not forget to play the whistle from Washington with oil prices. Everything that is in the world must belong to the "exclusive" Yankees, they are very confident in this. am
    4. Finches
      Finches 5 January 2016 13: 18
      11
      The Saudis know very well that even if they cut out all the Shiites in their monarchy, the maximum they will hear from the West is unintelligible: "Well, why was it so cool!" And that's it!

      The West has rotten hypocrisy in the era of the Crusades, and we are all surprised!

      An urgent need to speed up the supply of S-300 to Iran, this will help to balance the situation in the region a little!
      1. Simon
        Simon 5 January 2016 14: 10
        +4
        The Saudis, in my opinion, do not think that under the gentle silence of the West, they will not necessarily fall under the fiery vent of war in the Middle East, where perhaps Saudi Arabia is unlikely to exist as a state. With the execution of Sheikh Nimr Bakr al-Nimr, they signed their own sentence.
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 5 January 2016 16: 31
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          The Saudis, in my opinion, do not think that under the gentle silence of the West, they will not necessarily fall under the fiery vent of war in the Middle East, where perhaps Saudi Arabia is unlikely to exist as a state.

          Man, how can you call Saudi Arabia a state? Yes, there are state attributes - a flag, a capital, a territory marked on a map in a separate color. But Saudi Arabia, as well as the other oil-bearing monarchies adjacent to it, are just wild nomads who feed on oil revenues. ANYTHING, other than oil producing, NO technology. If not for oil - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and the UAE would be of interest to the world community only as a testing ground similar to our Kamchatka one.
    5. Gardener91
      Gardener91 5 January 2016 13: 38
      +4
      Yes, damn goblins golem, they are goblins in Africa!
    6. Lawrence
      Lawrence 5 January 2016 14: 00
      +1
      And where is the US "democracy" looking?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 January 2016 17: 00
        +2
        US democracy only looks in your pocket.
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 5 January 2016 16: 24
      +1
      And after the executions in Saudi Arabia, the West will continue to humiliate itself before the monarchy? (The Independent, UK)

      That's it. It is high time to democratize these Saudis. This is precisely what has long been NECESSARY to democratize. And not Saddam and Gaddafi.
    8. The black
      The black 5 January 2016 18: 02
      +2
      It is unlikely that those who executed Nimr al-Nimr did not understand what would begin after that ...
      This clearly happened under the pressure and blackmail of some external force!
      The Saudis themselves would never have decided on this as they would not have decided on a collapse in oil prices.
  2. cniza
    cniza 5 January 2016 12: 46
    10
    I won’t be surprised, but probably it is, behind all this, star-striped ears stick out.
    1. seti
      seti 5 January 2016 12: 58
      11
      Yes, they hardly need it. CA and Iran are the main suppliers of oil and not just oil but cheap. Let me remind you that in the same CA in the province of Nijam, the bulk of the best oil is produced somewhere 80% of the total. And basically Shiites live there without rights. It was their representative who was executed by beheading. So, they start without any order and the active defense of their rights, the whole CA can fall. The Saudis are already fighting in Yemen and very unsuccessfully. So they hardly need problems at home. The execution was necessary so that Iran would somehow react in order to later be accused of something that could be justified by continued sanctions against it. Like, look in the West whom you protect a bandit and a barbarian. They defeated the embassy and no one will even remember the priest.
  3. Krsk
    Krsk 5 January 2016 12: 48
    +4
    everything will be sooooo hard year.
  4. seti
    seti 5 January 2016 12: 51
    15
    You need to understand that Saudi Arabia is a Sunni kingdom and Iran is the world leader of the Shiites. In addition, these are key rivals in the region and the largest suppliers of oil to world markets. Besides the question of oil revenues and who is stronger, there is a religious question. If a war breaks out between them, then whatever you do, it will be of great benefit. But the US, the EU and China will be at a loss. But I am sure at almost 100% that this will not happen. Is that Saudi climb on Iran. But I think they have enough brains - the stakes are very high. True, if a fire breaks out in this region and an active sabotage war is waged between them in Iraq and Yemen, then the price of oil will increase significantly. Or rather, it has already begun to grow.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 January 2016 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: seti
      But the US, the EU and China will be at a loss.


      It seems to me that the United States will not be at a loss, they will be able to produce and profitably sell their shale oil, they need 80 dollars.
      1. seti
        seti 5 January 2016 13: 57
        +1
        They will sell a minimum and advertise it widely in the press. But to buy ... Besides China, they are the main buyer of crude oil in the world. And the cheaper it is for them, the better it is at this time. Many birds with one stone are killed - a blow to political opponents like Russia, Venezuela has already gone to the bottom, Saudi Arabia is spending its money-box at a rate that will last no more than 5 years. Their "shale revolution" is still working halfway, but only the most powerful little things have slammed the whole thing. Now they will curtail it - oil will grow, they will start producing again with a loss of mines. The main disadvantage of the American is that while oil is cheap, China is actively storing it for future use and continues to develop. There is a lot more to add, but this will be a separate article.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 5 January 2016 14: 07
          +2
          If we ignore the political motive of what happened, another obvious question arises regarding permanent Saudi dynasty: Are the rulers of the Kingdom crazy?


          Then the thought came to mind:
          Maybe they imagined themselves immortal?
    2. Asadullah
      Asadullah 5 January 2016 16: 00
      +9
      You need to understand that Saudi Arabia is a Sunni kingdom and Iran is the world leader of Shiites.


      First of all, the SA is a claim to leadership and dictatorship in the Sunni world, which many Sunnis do not like. Iran, not asking for leaders, but supports the Ummah in a spiritual tradition. The Saudis deliberately went to aggravate relations, because what was the need to kill Nimr, who was practically a dervish, preaching asceticism, and demanding only equal rights for all believers. Imagine that in a city where there are many social problems, the blessed beggar lives, helps with all God's words, mourns with the unfortunate, rejoices with the happy. In general, a completely clean person, everyone knows. But the authorities, why are they killing him, what will happen? Will it add authority to the authorities? Will even those who disdain the unfortunate will respect them because of this? The answer is clear. From that camel kings conduct a course of confrontation with the entire Shiite world. But the Sunni Ummah is put in a hopeless situation, either you are with us, or against us.

      Why is this done? Most likely the action is coordinated with the Americans. For the United States, the opportunity to unbalance Iran, for further isolation, for the Saudis, to strengthen the shaky influence on the Sunnis. In the East, strength, cruelty, uncompromisingness, the main methods of conducting politics.

      With regards to some benefit from the war between the Sunnis and Shiites, in fact, the Saudis with Iran, there can be no benefit to Russia from this. Only exceptional harm. The rise of radical Muslim sentiment amid a new religious war. I forgot who said - if you feel the benefits of war, take off your shoes, maybe your hooves are cutting through.
      1. Private27
        Private27 5 January 2016 16: 38
        +2
        Without the United States, Saudis cannot even take a step. It is not profitable to lower oil prices anyway by the fact that the states have ordered.
  5. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 12: 54
    +6
    New York Times: “Robert Fisk is arguably the UK’s most famous foreign correspondent,” with more than 30 years of journalism experience abroad. Among the high-profile reports are the events in the 70's in Belfast, the “Red Carnations Revolution” of the 1979 of the year in Portugal, the Civil War in Lebanon of the 1975-90, the Iranian revolution of 1979, the Iran-Iraq War of 1990 — 1991. , Gulf War 1991 g., Invasion of Iraq 2003 g. He was one of two Western journalists who were in Beirut during the civil war in Iran. Fisk also made reports during the Arab-Israeli conflict and conflicts in Kosovo and Algeria. Fisk is fluent in Arabic; he has interviewed Osama Bin Laden three times (between 1994 and 1997).


    Here he is such an interesting person, this Fisk.
    In general, I liked the article, somewhat emotional, of course, but Cameron is very cool. hi
  6. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 5 January 2016 12: 55
    +2
    Until last year, no one particularly shared, these are Sunnis, and these are Shiites, they were all Muslims.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 January 2016 12: 59
      +3
      Quote: Dalmatia
      Until last year, no one particularly shared, these are Sunnis, and these are Shiites, they were all Muslims.



      Who are you talking about? belay
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 14
        +3
        First of all, about myself, and people like me, ordinary people.
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 January 2016 13: 35
          0
          Ignorance is not a quality to brag about, even if you are a girl and visit a "male" site.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 45
            +3
            No offense, okay?
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    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: Dalmatia
      Until last year, no one particularly shared, these are Sunnis, and these are Shiites, they were all Muslims.


      Natasha, we did not share this, and in the Middle East, confessional wars have not stopped since the British left. Of course, I mean the latest history. Remember the Lebanese events, Yemen, the Iran-Iraq conflict, etc. hi
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 08
        +1
        Never really interested in the Middle East. Could you explain to me in a nutshell, what is the fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shiites. Is it like Russians and Ukrainians? Thank.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 5 January 2016 13: 15
          +2
          It's like Catholics and Protestants
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 January 2016 18: 09
            +5
            for Igor39:
            "It's like Catholics and Protestants" ///

            You are absolutely right. The war between Shiites and Sunnis
            in the Muslim world is strikingly reminiscent of war
            between Protestants and Catholics in the Middle Ages in Europe.
            And this is understandable: the Middle East is socially and politically
            representations roughly corresponds to the level of medieval Europe.
            So in the Middle East stalled American violent progress
            democracy, which worked so well in Europe and the Far East.
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 6 January 2016 01: 44
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              You are absolutely right. The war between Shiites and Sunnis
              in the Muslim world is strikingly reminiscent of war
              between Protestants and Catholics in the Middle Ages in Europe.
              And this is understandable: the Middle East is socially and politically
              representations roughly corresponds to the level of medieval Europe.
              So in the Middle East stalled American violent progress
              democracy, which worked so well in Europe and the Far East.


              Interesting comment, Alex. hi
        2. major071
          major071 5 January 2016 13: 18
          +9
          Dalmatia
          Never really interested in the Middle East. Could you explain to me in a nutshell, what is the fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shiites. Is it like Russians and Ukrainians? Thank.


          Natalya, if you do not go into details much, then:

          Sunnis (Arabic: Akhl al-Sunnah - people of the Sunnah) - followers of the most numerous trends in Islam. Unlike Shiites, the Sunnis do not recognize the possibility of mediation between Allah and people after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, deny the idea of ​​the special nature of Ali ibn Abu Talib and the right of his descendants to the imamat. There are also significant differences in the principles of legal decisions, in the nature of the holidays, in relation to the Gentiles, in the details of prayers, etc.

          Sunnis place a special emphasis on following the Sunnah (deeds and statements) of the Prophet Muhammad, on fidelity to tradition, on the participation of the community in the selection of its head - the Caliph.

          The main signs of belonging to Sunnism are: recognition of the reliability of the six largest sets of hadiths (compiled by Bukhari, Muslim, al-Tirmizi, Abu Daoud, al-Nasai and Ibn Maji); belonging to one of the four Sunni madhhabs (Malikite, Shafiite, Hanafi and Hanbali); recognition of the legality of the rule of the first four ("righteous") caliphs - Abu Bakr, Omar, Osman and Ali (Shiites recognize only Ali).

          Sunnism as a certain trend took shape in the XI century in the fight against Shiism and in opposition to it, but so far this term has a much less clear content than the term "Shiism".
          The Sunnis recognize four theological schools of law called “madhhabs”: Malikite, Shafiite, Hanafi and Hanbali. All four schools recognize each other's legitimacy. A Muslim can choose any of these schools and follow one with which he agrees.

          Shiites (Arabic Shia - adherents, grouping, party) - followers of the second most adherent (after the Sunnis) direction in Islam, who recognize only Ali ibn Abu Talib and his descendants as the only legitimate successors to the Prophet Muhammad.

          Shortly after the death of Muhammad (632), some of his associates advocated maintaining supreme power in the "family of the Prophet", considering the oath of Abu Bakr illegal. At the beginning of the second half of the XNUMXth century, a religious-political group (“Shia”) formed in the struggle for power, supporters of the transfer of supreme power to Ali ibn Abu Talib, as the closest relative (cousin and son-in-law) and spiritual successor of the prophet. This group became the core of the Shiite movement, which later divided the Muslim community into Sunnis and Shiites.

          The national factor also played a role in the formation of Shiism. The overwhelming majority of Shiism adherents are Iranian-speaking peoples, or peoples that were part of the sphere of influence of medieval Persia. Even Shiite Arabs, although they speak Arabic, are largely anthropologically different from other Arabs.

          For Shiites, the role of the imam is much higher than for the Sunnis. They perceive the imam as an infallible interpreter of the will of Allah. It is also common for Shiites to honor their scholars, who are considered to be their deputies during the hiding of the imam. This explains, say, the enthusiastic veneration of Ayatollah Khomeini in Shiite Iran.

          Sunnism in most Muslim countries has become an official religion, and the Sunnis have a completely different attitude than the Shiites. Shiites are a minority, often persecuted. They make up approximately 15 percent of the total number of Muslims. In history, Shiites have often been persecuted by the Sunnis, so they are characterized by the cult of martyrs.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 38
            +3
            Thank you, I read it carefully. I realized that there are fewer Shiites)))
          2. Private27
            Private27 5 January 2016 16: 43
            +1
            Conclusion: it is necessary to pray to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Please change the admin flag to the Russian Federation. drinks
            1. prishelec
              prishelec 5 January 2016 22: 56
              +1
              Quote: Private27
              we must pray to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

              Jesus is not the Lord, but a prophet sent by the Lord! lol
          3. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 5 January 2016 23: 12
            +2
            With your permission ... the above is not true, I am a Muslim Shiite, but I became a Shiite after studying Sunnism and Shiism ... in general, the topic is very large, but the shortest answer I reached is as follows: Shiites adhere to the idea of ​​leading humanity maybe only the one whom the Almighty appointed (for example, the prophets) or the one whom the prophet appointed (naturally, the prophet appoints the one whom the Almighty ordered to appoint)
            And the Sunnis hold that people themselves can choose their leader even at the cost of not obeying the prophet, and the fathers of the current Sunnis did just that, they rejected the will of the prophet and in a narrow circle chose a leader (this is described in detail in the history of Islam)
            And the saying "The national factor played a role in the formation of Shiism. The overwhelming majority of the adherents of Shiism are Iranian-speaking peoples, or peoples who were in the sphere of influence of medieval Persia" Absolute Nonsense !!! were Arabs! By the way, the Persians were Sunnis until the 16th century. Shiism in Persia spread after the conquest of Persia by Shah Ismail Khatai in the 16th century. He made the Azerbaijani language the state language and Shiism
            state religion.
            1. Dalmatia
              Dalmatia 5 January 2016 23: 21
              +1
              You are a Shiite, right? Then the question is, how do you think the events around Iran will develop? As I understand it, Iran is a Shiite state.
              1. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik 6 January 2016 11: 05
                0
                Well, I can’t specifically say how and when it will be. BUT everything that is happening now is fully consistent with the hadiths. Iran will stand (although there will be changes), but Syria will fall. (Or maybe it has already fallen)
                Hadith 13. (417) Tells Hisham ibn Salim: “Imam Sadik, may there be peace with him, said:“ When Sufyani seizes five lands, count for him nine months. ” And Hisham believed that the five lands were Damascus, Palestine, Jordan, Hims and Halab. ”
            2. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 6 January 2016 01: 27
              0
              Quote: Otshelnik
              And the saying "The national factor played a role in the formation of Shiism. The overwhelming majority of the adherents of Shiism are Iranian-speaking peoples, or peoples who were in the sphere of influence of medieval Persia" Absolute Nonsense !!! were Arabs! By the way, the Persians were Sunnis until the 16th century. Shiism in Persia spread after the conquest of Persia by Shah Ismail Khatai in the 16th century. He made the Azerbaijani language the state language and Shiism
              state religion.


              But with this, a colleague, I completely agree. History does not know any national factor in the formation of Islamic religious movements. hi
        3. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 13: 19
          +3
          Quote: Dalmatia
          Never really interested in the Middle East. Could you explain to me in a nutshell, what is the fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shiites. Is it like Russians and Ukrainians? Thank.

          Natasha, in short, like this:
          After the death of Prophet Muhammad in 632, a debate broke out among his followers over who should inherit political and spiritual power over Arab tribes. Most supported Abu Bakr, the friend of the Prophet and the father of his wife, Aisha.
          This majority subsequently formed the Sunni camp, which today makes up 80% of all Muslims. Others supported the cousin and son-in-law of Prophet Ali, saying that the Prophet appointed him as his successor. Subsequently, they began to call them Shiites, which in Arabic means literally "supporters of Ali." In this dispute, the supporters of Abu Bakr prevailed, who received the title of Caliph.
          In 680, soldiers of the Sunni army killed Hussein, the son of Ali, which led to further intensification of the contradictions between the Sunnis and Shiites. The Sunnis remained in power, while the Shiites were constantly in the shadows, recognizing the true leaders of their imams, the first 12 of whom were direct descendants of Ali. All of them follow the five basic tenets of Islam, including observing the fast during the month of Ramadan, the main the holy book for all is the Qur'an. However, adherents of Sunnism in their practice of Islam pay special attention to following the teachings (Sunnah) of the Prophet, while Shiites consider their ayatollah (Shiite religious title - approx. Mixednews) messengers of God on earth. Because of this, Sunnis often blame Shiites for heresy, and they, in turn, point to the excessive dogmatism of Sunni teachings, which leads to the emergence of extremist movements such as Wahhabism.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 37
            +2
            It turns out that the division between them is on a religious basis. For some reason I thought that "Sunite" and "Shiite" are two nationalities. Wrong)) If so, then any Muslim can choose for himself who he is, a Suni or a Shiite, right? Thank you very much for your reply.
          2. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 6 January 2016 10: 38
            +1
            "In 680, soldiers of the Sunni army killed Hussein, son of Ali"
            You forgot to say that Imam Hussein (a) was the grandson of the prophet and he rebelled against tyranny! By the way, the eldest grandson of the prophet Imam Hassan was also killed (poisoned). And how then can these people be called followers of the Sunni of the prophet ?? / !! As Christians called would people decide to kill the children of the prophet Jesus (a) ??? !!

            "However, the adherents of Sunni Islam in their practice of Islam pay special attention to following the teachings (Sunnah) of the Prophet" --- the question is: from what sources do they learn about the teachings of the Prophet? (If you decide to study this issue, you will be at least surprised)
        4. askort154
          askort154 5 January 2016 13: 36
          +1
          Dalmatia ... Is it like Russians and Ukrainians? Thank.

          No, it's both Orthodox and Catholics (figuratively).
          Sunites and Shiites, these are different trends of Islam, whose roots
          go back to the 5th century. More specifically, you need to completely immerse yourself in this topic, it is very multifaceted.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 5 January 2016 13: 42
            +2
            And Turkey, is it a Sunni or Shiite state?
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 15: 26
              +2
              Quote: Dalmatia
              And Turkey, is it a Sunni or Shiite state?


              It is safe to say that Turkey is an Islamic state of the Sunni sense. Although, after Ataturk came to power, the state changes to secular, nevertheless Erdogan, a pan-Islamist politician, is making, and not without success, enormous efforts to Islamize the country, which by the way is actively supported by a large part of the Turkish population.
              Something like that, colleague. Again, extremely short. hi
              1. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 5 January 2016 17: 11
                +1
                It turns out that there is only one Shiite Iran? Or am I messing up something?
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 18: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Dalmatia
                  It turns out that there is only one Shiite Iran? Or am I messing up something?


                  The followers of this branch of Islam make up the vast majority of the population of Iran, more than half of the population of Iraq, a significant part of the Muslims of Azerbaijan, Lebanon, Yemen and Bahrain.
                  Something like this, a colleague will be closer to the truth. Little. yes
                  PS Natasha, there are still small communities in other countries of the Middle East, but as a percentage of the main population they are insignificant. hi
                  1. Dalmatia
                    Dalmatia 5 January 2016 20: 15
                    +1
                    What about Syria? And Assad personally, who is he, to which branch does he belong?
                    1. crazyboiler
                      crazyboiler 5 January 2016 21: 13
                      +1
                      If I’m not mistaken, Assad belongs to the Alawites - a branch of Shiism.
                      1. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 5 January 2016 23: 31
                        +1
                        Assad is almost Shiite, and Syria is 90% Sunni. Kind of weird..))
                    2. Vladimir 1964
                      Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 22: 00
                      +1
                      Quote: Dalmatia
                      What about Syria? And Assad personally, who is he, to which branch does he belong?


                      At least 90% of the Syrian population are Muslims, 75% of them are Sunnis, 13% are Alawites, and the rest are representatives of Shia-Ismailis and Shiite sects of Ismailis and Druze.
                      Assad is a representative of the Alawite aristocracy.
                      Alavism is the name for a number of Islamic religious movements, branches, or sects that are close to the teachings of Ismaili Shiites.
                      Something so short, colleague. hi
                      1. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 5 January 2016 23: 27
                        +1
                        Well, now nothing is clear at all))) Syria is a Sunni state, and the head is almost a Shiite ... How so)))
                      2. Vladimir 1964
                        Vladimir 1964 6 January 2016 01: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Dalmatia
                        Well, now nothing is clear at all))) Syria is a Sunni state, and the head is almost a Shiite ... How so)))


                        Not even "almost Shiite," a colleague, but an Alawite, the Sunnis consider them to be practically a sect. Plus, the entire Alawite population of Syria belongs to the full power and the entire serious economy. Well, of course, all this took place before the civil war.
                        Natasha, to understand the situation in the Middle East is not enough just like that in a swoop, everything is too complicated there, colleague. hi
                        PS But the minuscule put you minus. yes
                      3. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 6 January 2016 11: 38
                        +1
                        You are right, I am really confused even more. Anyway, thanks for the answers and communication.
                      4. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 6 January 2016 11: 44
                        0
                        I can't resist, the last question))) And how did Russia end up in this "tangle"? And what are our Inters there?
          2. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 6 January 2016 11: 06
            +1
            In Turkey, there are not a lot of Shiites and Alawites and they really do not like Erdogan)
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 January 2016 12: 59
    +4
    The bonfire flares up. And, hike, there is someone to pour gasoline on him.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 5 January 2016 12: 59
    +2
    Yes, the author, and not only the Saudi kingdom, but also your Britain and your overseas colony of the United States and many countries have gone crazy creating terrorist no longer orgonization, but literally becoming a breeding ground for terrorism. But is it a country? All your attempts and tales about "freedom of the individual, culture, conscience" and other things more and more resemble the utterances of a wild man who has learned beautiful words, but who does not know their meaning. So you are, in essence and in your spirit, quasi-civilized savages who redraw the world to fit your concepts. Only for evil you always have to pay, as well as for good! but, since you do not know how to do good-true good and do not want to, get ready to answer for all the evil and misfortunes that you bring every day of your existence.
    1. Bepdukt
      Bepdukt 5 January 2016 13: 24
      +1
      Listen to Great-Grandfather, well, really, you can’t check the ERRORS before laying out. Even your emotions are not an excuse.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 January 2016 13: 00
    +4
    I'm afraid the striped ears themselves were stunned by these initiatives by the Camelfuckers of the Royal SA dynasty. Absolutely inadequate. This is the generation that does not remember the tents in the desert, but learned something incomprehensible in the West under the golden rain. What could they learn? They deeply despise the "whites" who grovel in front of their wallets, and are used to buying everyone. But it looks like this time they "exceeded their powers." And they will divide the CA into several small cubs. And all these royal men are publicly executed in the main square of Riyadh.
  • Amurets
    Amurets 5 January 2016 13: 01
    +4
    Yes! We’ve lost our minds, both the Saudi sheikhs and the leadership of the EU and NATO. It’s not clear what the author writes, the Saudis are trying to destroy the fundamentals of the Iranian nuclear program and regain full control of the Persian Gulf oil. And as Western politicians do not understand that refugees from this region are the fifth column that can hit the EU’s subfields at any moment and no NATO will help here.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 5 January 2016 13: 12
    +1
    What are some vague doubts-DAISH about executions on the Internet, too, the Saudis prompted? (or only they could tell)?
  • remy
    remy 5 January 2016 13: 18
    +3
    Well, now they’ll finish the supply of S-300 air defense systems to Iran.
    and Iran rolls the Saudis
    well, soon oil will rise again in price ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 5 January 2016 13: 32
      +5
      Quote: remy
      and Iran rolls the Saudis


      there is a glimpse of another walk through Qatar ... I’m not surprised that all this badya is heading for a new announcement of sanctions against Iran ... I bet we'll hear soon ..
  • sabakina
    sabakina 5 January 2016 13: 40
    +3
    SA ... Once upon a time, these two letters on shoulder straps "built" the whole world ...
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 5 January 2016 15: 28
      0
      And once the Red Army
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 6 January 2016 10: 45
        0
        The Red Army was not on shoulder straps, and it was not the whole world that "built", but rather "... our, new world .."
  • Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 5 January 2016 13: 41
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    New York Times: “Robert Fisk is arguably the UK’s most famous foreign correspondent,” with more than 30 years of journalism experience abroad. Among the high-profile reports are the events in the 70's in Belfast, the “Red Carnations Revolution” of the 1979 of the year in Portugal, the Civil War in Lebanon of the 1975-90, the Iranian revolution of 1979, the Iran-Iraq War of 1990 — 1991. , Gulf War 1991 g., Invasion of Iraq 2003 g. He was one of two Western journalists who were in Beirut during the civil war in Iran. Fisk also made reports during the Arab-Israeli conflict and conflicts in Kosovo and Algeria. Fisk is fluent in Arabic; he has interviewed Osama Bin Laden three times (between 1994 and 1997).


    Here he is such an interesting person, this Fisk.
    In general, I liked the article, somewhat emotional, of course, but Cameron is very cool. hi

    I read the article, but did not look at the author, I thought that we wrote. Young Fisk good
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 5 January 2016 13: 42
    12
    a little positive
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 5 January 2016 13: 46
    +4
    Piled in one pile of Sunnis and Wahhabis and this is repeatedly the same. The KSA state, whose official religion is Wahhabism, has long had to understand this, and the Wahhabis also do not recognize the Sunnis and take at least a confrontation with the Wahhabis from us in the North Caucasus. Forcing the situation against the Sunnis, equating them with Wahhabis will not lead to anything good in Russia, given that almost all Muslims in Russia are Sunnis. Someone specifically escalates the situation for this purpose it seems to me.
  • garnik64
    garnik64 5 January 2016 13: 57
    +3
    I think it is necessary to help destabilize in Saudi Arabia. Let them feel what chaos is in their own skin. We only get better from this. We must act and not observe, of course, through Iran. This is a refuge for barbarians. Near our borders, and even ISIS another task will appear.
  • PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 5 January 2016 13: 58
    +1
    The photo above the turntable is just super!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 January 2016 14: 37
    0
    Quote: Dalmatia
    these are Sunites, and these are Shiites, they were all Muslims.

    Sunnis and Shiites are essentially 2 branches of Islam, they have long been at enmity, and the ideological centers are located precisely with the SA and Iran. And it may be close to us, in Ukraine. There are 2 Christian churches, one submits to the Ukrainian Autocephalous Church with its Kiev Patriarch , the other is subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church and the Moscow Patriarch. Already now there are persecutions against "Moscow" saints, churches are being taken away. I think it will be worse to ascribe separatism to priests and elders and active parishioners, terrorism in Kiev, just spit. they will go to jail, and there will be arson. The Ukrainian (as now in the SA) authorities will use religious feelings in their own interests. hi
  • Sars
    Sars 5 January 2016 14: 43
    +1
    The Saudis are extremely hostile towards the Russian Federation (USSR). Our officials are pretending that everything is fine.
    Weapon supply plans are being discussed!
    Where is our valiant propaganda?
    How can a Wahhabi sect be written in Sunnis?
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 5 January 2016 14: 50
    +2
    The Saudis will receive their. For all. It's a question of time.
  • vobels
    vobels 5 January 2016 15: 20
    +1
    ".. have the rulers of the Kingdom gone mad? .." Even Fisk noticed it! But the indistinct reaction of "the whole shitty world" is not clear.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 5 January 2016 15: 39
    +1
    She has already infuriated the Shiite majority of Bahrain.
    Not too much the author is watching the news: Bahrain severs diplomatic relations with Iran (media). And what feelings are Shiites in Bahrain - a secondary issue ..
    Saudi Arabia has not yet been turned into "Libya" by the Americans, in my opinion, only for one reason: the staff want to maintain at least some semblance of their "respect for international law," and the Saudi elite accepts their rules of the game. Yes and .. maintaining order in a Muslim state is another headache: on the example of Libya, Iraq, the Americans were convinced of this. It is easier for them to keep their "watchdog" in this "paddock", which from time to time can be allowed to crush a "lamb" like Yemen. True, here they miscalculated - help from competitors went to the Houthis .. but this is no longer a US problem.
    But the Saudi trick with the execution of a preacher - I think this is a problem for the States .. if all this is not a direct provocation outside the puddle against Iran. And if so, then a new hotbed of hostilities is coming, so as not to fade away, "God forbid," in the East .. hi
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 January 2016 15: 57
    +2
    Why didn’t the State Department bother about human rights? Or 47 goals from the shoulders fit into democratic norms? what
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 5 January 2016 16: 17
    +3
    The public mass executions in Saudi Arabia, during which 47 people were beheaded, including the influential Shiite preacher Sheikh Nimr Baqr al-Nimr, fully corresponded to ISIS crimes.

    Yes, who would doubt it !!!

    This execution will put the West before the most delicate problem of the Middle East - the continuing need to subservient and humiliate the rich and autocratic monarchs of the Gulf countries

    Yes, they just feel the sdki that Syria, Iran and others are getting out of their influence, and they want a lot and cheaper oil, otherwise Russia will have to deal with it.
    And in this sense, Saudi Arabia's neighboring countries can "lay a pig", and with them, "the entire democratic world"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 January 2016 17: 10
      +1
      Iran can now put a good pig in Saudi Arabia in Yemen - in the form of massive deliveries of weapons to the Husits.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 5 January 2016 17: 36
    0
    The United States and its allies, like a stupid drunk inadequate, until they hit the face, they will not calm down. You can talk with an adequate character, but not with an idiot
  • dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 5 January 2016 18: 24
    +2
    The collapse of the Saudis --- the key to the United States !!!
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 5 January 2016 21: 52
    0
    in comments everything is said. madmen accelerate processes. live today and don’t see tomorrow. idiots.
  • Olfred
    Olfred 6 January 2016 13: 12
    0
    religion? money? or religion is money? everything is so confusing hi