Stopping the Heart of Western Capitalism

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I will try today to explain in simple words, why things are very sad in the dollar economy, and why there is practically no hope for a mild crisis. For those who do not even like to delve into the economic problems, here is the conclusion of the article: the heart of the financial system of Western countries has stopped, and resuscitation specialists will have to try very hard to run it again.

The word "heart" I did not accidentally use. If I were a liberal Darwinist, I would say that crises are necessary for capitalism, as regular cuts in the heart are necessary for all living organisms with a developed circulatory system.

Imagine three shops that sell apples. For example, shopkeepers buy every bag of apples from farmers for a dollar, and sell for a dollar and twenty cents - with these 20 cents of income, the shops live.

Suppose there comes a difficult time for apple traders - there are too many shops, and there are not enough buyers for everyone. Shopkeepers begin to fight with each other for a place in the sun. It is impossible to burn a competitor’s shop, or to enter into a price agreement with him in the ideal capitalist world — the state is watching this. Thus, the apple traders have the only means of intraspecific struggle - to sell apples even cheaper.

The benches enter the deflationary spiral, the race for survival begins. The price of apples goes down to a dollar, then to 95 cents, then to 90 cents ... The benches trade in a minus, but they have no other way out. If they stop the trade that is unprofitable for them and close the shop, they will not be able to give back their loans and go bankrupt. If the shops continue to work, they have a chance that someone else will be the first to go broke.

When prices reach 80 cents per bag, one of the shops turns out to be a weak link and goes bankrupt. At this point, the price of apples sags even more, since the shop needs to quickly vacate the premises, and she is ready to sell apples even at 70 cents, just to buy them as soon as possible. But, finally, the liquidation is completed, and only two shops remain on the market.

From this moment there is a shortage of apples: there are only two shops left, they can no longer serve all the inhabitants of the town. Prices for apples are beginning to grow rapidly, and soon - skipping the mark of twenty dollars - reach the mark of sixty dollars, as the shortage of apples in the market allows merchants to lift prices.

Such a profitable business - buying a bag of apples for a dollar, and selling for a dollar sixty - prompts one of the citizens to take a loan and open a new apple trade shop. Again, there is some surplus of apples on the market, and prices drop to twenty dollars, from which the cycle began.

As you see, something like a heart reduction has occurred - at the lower price level an inefficient owner left the market, and at the upper price level a new capitalist full of hopes came to the market. Such contractions of the heart keep everyone in good shape: the price constantly jumps from too high to too low, forcing businessmen to work at their limits.

We are now witnessing a reduction in the capitalist heart in the oil market. Oil prices have sunk so low that US shale companies operate at a loss — timidly hoping that prices will rise soon and they will be able to pay off the loans that are currently being raised due to high prices.

It would seem that everything is in order, we are witnessing a normal process for capitalism, and soon everything will turn in the other direction ... However, this time there is a nuance. And this nuance is a needle of super-cheap money, on which the economies of Western countries tightly hooked a few years ago.

Let's return to our example with benches and apples. Imagine that shopkeepers have access to very cheap loans. How will this change the market situation?

Well, of course, one of the shopkeepers will immediately take a cheap loan and immediately lower the price of apples to a dollar a bag. Of course, he will work at a loss, but this loss can be covered by a loan, and all buyers will immediately rush to him.

The other two shopkeepers will have a simple choice: either follow the lead of the first shopkeeper and also reduce the price to 95 cents per bag or leave the market.

For some time, everything is great. No one goes bankrupt, as all losses are compensated by cheap credit money, and prices are kept at low, comfortable for buyers of apples marks. However, the natural selection mechanism necessary for capitalism ceases to work - cheap loans provide protection from the invisible hand of the market to even the most inefficient owners.

As a result, inefficient firms live so long that the average price of apples never rises to the necessary for confident work of “plus” dollars and twenty cents: at any given time in the market there is a slowly bursting dumper who sells apples much cheaper.

How can the state do in this situation?

In several ways. The first way is to make loans expensive again. Then three of the four shops that now sell apples at a loss will go bankrupt - since they all have been working “for a minus” for a long time and are wildly overloaded with loans. However, after some time, the apples will rise in price several times, new businessmen will appear and the capitalist heart will again begin to shrink-unclench at the usual rhythm.

The second way - to make loans even cheaper, which will allow shopkeepers to hold on a bit more. The cost of loans, of course, is almost zero, but you can in fact introduce the CCP (negative interest rate policy) and push the rate on loans below zero. As you understand, this will only exacerbate the problem - since it will load the business with loans even more, and after the imminent onset of the crisis, it is not 25% of shops that will survive, but, say, 15%. But to win this way for several months is quite possible.

Finally, there is a third way - restarting the system through credit-burning hyperinflation. We must understand that hyperinflation will eventually come under any scenario, because the economy of Western countries is overflowed with cheap money, and after the onset of a serious crisis, money will inevitably lose most of its purchasing power. However, if you start hyperinflation earlier, the economy will get over it easier and faster.

No decision has yet been made. In December, the US Federal Reserve increased the interest rate on 0,25 percentage points, thereby marking its intention to take the number one path. The consequences of this decision have not yet fully manifested themselves, since the American sharks of the financial business did not sit in front of the stock monitors for the last week, but celebrated Christmas washing down black caviar with the blood of Christian babies.

However, the US financial system has already begun to crack anxiously - hedge funds specializing in problem loans are dying now, like flies under the streams of dichlorvos:

http://www.vestifinance.ru/art...

Very soon, the US Federal Reserve will be forced to take a pivotal decision - either to cross your arms and look at the plague of deflation that is devastating the markets, or quickly lower the rate back to zero in order to prolong the agony of the financial system a little more. Personally, I assume that the US Federal Reserve will not only lower the rate to zero, but also push it even lower into the negative zone. At the end of 2016, the presidential election will be held in the USA, and the Fed has reasons to try to delay the crisis in the area of ​​responsibility of the next elected representative.

Well, I still remind you that doctors have already learned how to replace a shrinking human heart with a constantly working turbine. Such a turbine is easier, safer and more technological than our imperfect cardiac muscle:

http://www.dailytechinfo.org/m...

Who knows, maybe after the end of the global crisis, which we are now rapidly plunging into, economists will be able to come up with a similar “turbine” for the planetary financial system? I believe that our technologies are already sufficiently advanced to replace the “invisible hand of the market” with a more modern and efficient mechanism.
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  1. +3
    3 January 2016 21: 34
    Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years, and the world is racking its brains how to get out
    1. +132
      3 January 2016 21: 38
      Quote: poquello
      Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years,

      Such forecasts have recently appeared with enviable frequency. But the US is feeling fine and is not going to stagnate. They only bend their Pacific and Euro-Atlantic vassals through all kinds of cooperation programs of the same name. Well, in extreme cases, they will arrange another World War. If the Americans both times emerged from global confusion as the main beneficiaries, then why not try a third?
      But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism smile ). Let the liberal patriot ritzmorgen (the author of the article) rush about in search of a "turbine" for the "market" economy, but everything has already been invented before us and has shown itself well. At least better than classical capitalism.
      1. -15
        3 January 2016 21: 46
        Such predictions

        Again nonsense. Oil as well as apples goes through the trading system in the form of short-term options. Options are controlled non-stop stock. Stop order goes through the clearing system. TNK-brokers work with invoices. Manufacturers give quasi-invoices. Consumer plants are controlled by traders ... And where is capitalism here?
        1. +37
          3 January 2016 23: 42
          he understood what he said? ..
          and on the topic, all this is bullshit. nothing is eternal. nothing is new. here is the truth. everything else verbiage is a squared lie. talk about what you know. thoughts about what you see. everything else is vanity, that is, meaninglessness.
          1. +12
            3 January 2016 23: 48
            Everything in this world is vanity-vanity, and ... languor of the spirit ... hi
            1. +6
              4 January 2016 14: 49
              poquello
              Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years, and the world is racking its brains how to get out


              Ami du peuple
              Such forecasts have recently appeared with enviable frequency. But the US is feeling fine and is not going to stagnate.


              "The ways and destinies of Providence in the history of mankind are not open to us. We do not see them. How Western and Eastern peoples will be led in their future history - we do not know. Which of them are doomed to collapse and insignificance, and which ones to greatness and salvation is unknown. And from where salvation comes to which of them is hidden from us.
              What is this naive claim to prophesy to them and about them - about their ways and salvation? Where does this boldness of a judge come from? Where does this confident prompting to God come from? Where does this clairvoyance come from? "I. A. Ilyin
              1. +9
                4 January 2016 23: 52
                saturn.mmm Comment 4.01.2016 19: 8
                I ask why in a wonderful country incompetent people could fall into power, who could easily destroy Stalin’s brilliant achievements? It turns out that the system was built in such a way that any eccentric who reached the top of power could turn the country upside down at the time, tomorrow Stalin will come and there will be an industrial boom, the day after tomorrow Gorbachev will come and ruin everything.

                Firstly, no one has canceled the role of personality in history. This truth has been known since the priestly times of ancient Egypt and is “played out” both in the internal and external “PERSONNEL” policies of any state, especially in senior management positions, because this affects the fate of the country and state.
                For example, the USA and other countries of “Western democracy” are guided by this rule always and everywhere in their own national interests. Moreover, for the United States, if the head of another country hands over his country to them in their external management, then he is “good” for them - he is a “democrat”. And if not, then he is a "dictator." In other words, the assessment of personality by different people is always subjective.
                Secondly. It should be noted that in assessing the Soviet system, many polemicists on this issue do not take into account that the CPSU (b) after Lenin's death, in fact, consisted of 2 parties - the “party” of Trotsky and the “party” of Stalin. And these parties had completely different - directly opposite - tasks. Trotsky's party was supposed to surrender Soviet Russia under the external control of the Anglo-Saxons and French, and the Stalin party fought for the sovereignty of the country. Hence the internal party feuds and the internal political struggle in the country. Who was Khrushchev at the same time? and who at the same time exerted a personal influence on him in the field of n / a? This is a question. But the inferiority complex of his own leaderism was clearly present in it. Liberalism in the USSR historically began precisely with him - with Khrushchev.
                Thirdly. The bourgeois liberals of the perestroika period of the USSR / Russia reduced all the re-runs of the Soviet period only (in the image and likeness of Khrushchev's speech at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU) to the so-called "Stalinist repression" and "sausage for the people."
                Well, Gorbachev can be considered a traitor to the Motherland - an Anglo-Saxon defector and an agent of foreign intelligence, which brought him to power. In particular, Gorbachev’s rise to power is connected precisely with the death of Peter Masherov in the 1980 car accident of the year. For example,
                Vyacheslav Kebich, the first prime minister of independent Belarus [9], does not consider the accident a accident.
                N. P. Masherova: “Father did not live to see the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU for less than two weeks. Everything has been decided. He went to the place of Kosygin. I understand that my father interfered with many. It was then, in October 1980, that Gorbachev’s “star has risen”[10]. "
                Arkady Rusetskiy, Dr. East. sciences .: "There is no answer to the main question - about the tragic death of the leader. Not everything is clear, but the versions of this accident are different. Why does the escort car come off at that intersection at 150 meters? [11] »
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%9F

                %D1%91%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#.D0.93

                .D0.B8.D0.B1.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C

                Thus, there simply are no “eccentrics” in power!
                1. +3
                  5 January 2016 11: 45
                  I heard about this matter back in the days of the USSR. One thing is clear that the matter is very dark. It is unlikely that everything was done under Hunchback, but I did not want to let the former partisan brigade into power, which I didn’t want to have.
        2. +11
          4 January 2016 03: 32
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          Nonsense again. Oil, like apples, goes through the system

          This is understandable. And here it is
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          trading in the form of short-term options. Options are controlled by exchange non-stops. The stop order goes through the clearing system. TNC brokers work with invoices. Quasi-invoices are given by manufacturers. Consumer plants are controlled by traders.

          In Chinese
          1. +4
            4 January 2016 19: 06
            Quote: shuhartred
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            Nonsense again. Oil, like apples, goes through the system

            This is understandable. And here it is
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            trading in the form of short-term options. Options are controlled by exchange non-stops. The stop order goes through the clearing system. TNC brokers work with invoices. Quasi-invoices are given by manufacturers. Consumer plants are controlled by traders.

            In Chinese


            Here is what is in Chinese, you need to understand this: the more zaumis incomprehensible to the majority, the wider the field of activity for fraud! The point of this whole zaum is not to let you know where, how, and at what moment you will be ousted, and you will not even suspect this! You will secretly disassemble this abracadabra, as if trying to peel off the feathers from the hands smeared with honey ...))))
        3. 0
          4 January 2016 08: 35
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          Such predictions

          Again nonsense. Oil as well as apples goes through the trading system in the form of short-term options. Options are controlled non-stop stock. Stop order goes through the clearing system. TNK-brokers work with invoices. Manufacturers give quasi-invoices. Consumer plants are controlled by traders ... And where is capitalism here?

          But Eugene is right, probably the enemy put him a minus.
        4. +4
          4 January 2016 16: 13
          With such incomprehensible, beautiful words, theft and fraud are masked.
        5. 0
          4 January 2016 17: 38
          Bloomberg experts are confident that the second term of the presidency of Barack Obama will be the most successful time for the dollar since Bill Clinton. Longer than under Clinton, the dollar strengthened under Ronald Reagan.

          In 2016, the US dollar will rise against all major competitors, with the exception of the Canadian dollar, British pound sterling and Norwegian krone, according to a study conducted by experts at Bloomberg.

          At the same time, according to experts, the New Zealand and Australian dollars, as well as the Swiss franc, will fall more strongly than others (by 5,5-8%). The cost of Danish and Swedish kroner will decrease by about 5%, the Japanese yen by about 3,5%, the euro by almost 3%.

          Experts attribute the expected strengthening of the dollar with the decision of the US Federal Reserve on raising the key rate adopted in mid-December 2015. This decision was made by the Fed leadership for the first time in nine years, and, according to forecasts, if economic growth continues in 2016, the rate can be increased four more times.

          “No other country can answer in the same way. Therefore, the dollar is likely to rise against most currencies, ”says Mark Chandler, the chief currency strategist at New York's Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.

          Experts note that after the abolition of the gold standard in 1971, the dollar experienced two major rallies, during which the value of the currency grew for several years in a row. The first of them lasted from 1979 to 1984, intensifying after Ronald Reagan, the tax-cut tax president, became the president of the United States, and the second was in the last five years of economic growth during the reign of Bill Clinton.

          "This is the third big rally in the dollar. Under Obama, I think it has been fueled by changes in monetary policy," Chandler said.
          1. -1
            4 January 2016 19: 22
            Quote: MyVrach
            Bloomberg experts are confident that the second term of the presidency of Barack Obama will be the most successful time for the dollar since Bill Clinton. Longer than under Clinton, the dollar strengthened under Ronald Reagan.

            In 2016, the US dollar will rise against all major competitors, with the exception of the Canadian dollar, British pound sterling and Norwegian krone, according to a study conducted by experts at Bloomberg.

            At the same time, according to experts, the New Zealand and Australian dollars, as well as the Swiss franc, will fall more strongly than others (by 5,5-8%). The cost of Danish and Swedish kroner will decrease by about 5%, the Japanese yen by about 3,5%, the euro by almost 3%.

            Experts attribute the expected strengthening of the dollar with the decision of the US Federal Reserve on raising the key rate adopted in mid-December 2015. This decision was made by the Fed leadership for the first time in nine years, and, according to forecasts, if economic growth continues in 2016, the rate can be increased four more times.

            “No other country can answer in the same way. Therefore, the dollar is likely to rise against most currencies, ”says Mark Chandler, the chief currency strategist at New York's Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.

            Experts note that after the abolition of the gold standard in 1971, the dollar experienced two major rallies, during which the value of the currency grew for several years in a row. The first of them lasted from 1979 to 1984, intensifying after Ronald Reagan, the tax-cut tax president, became the president of the United States, and the second was in the last five years of economic growth during the reign of Bill Clinton.

            "This is the third big rally in the dollar. Under Obama, I think it has been fueled by changes in monetary policy," Chandler said.


            It remains to wait until Obama is elected for the SECOND term after the break, like Putin!)))) Given that the second term of his presidency ends this year ...))
        6. +1
          4 January 2016 17: 41
          ... Zhenya, are you raving in a dream?
        7. +1
          4 January 2016 18: 33
          Correctly, no "capitalism", one sheer usury!
        8. +3
          4 January 2016 19: 38

          Pidraisers through stop-happing (not to be confused with a gop-stop) are systematized uncontrollably by brading-snipers for loholization of EBC consumers. This is where capitalism is. winkOnly pears instead of apples.
        9. 0
          5 January 2016 11: 54
          And what then do you see in this intrigue?
        10. +1
          5 January 2016 21: 30
          I realized that I didn’t understand anything). And the article (about apples) clearly explained everything to the peasant))
      2. +21
        3 January 2016 21: 50
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But the US is feeling fine ...

        Or maybe they are trying to convince everyone that they have everything in chocolate? But really kirdyk fits! If everything is fine with them, then where were the homeless, the poor, the hungry, the food stamps, the debt (internal and external), etc.? And why are they trying to bungle a new war?
        1. +95
          4 January 2016 02: 15
          Why is the US not chocolate? The author gave a good example of doing business. But there is another way. An apple seller hires a punks to shave apples from gardeners and give him for, say, 20 cents. The gardener begins to be indignant at such things and drive the punks. The trader alleges gardener cruelty and human rights violations (punks). A trader with friends enters the gardener's possessions to restore order. The gardener is killed as a sadist. The merchant leaves leaving the garden run by punks. Shpana is booing. They work for her under kicks, and they sell apples (albeit at dumping prices). Other traders continue to buy apples for a dollar. And who has more income? Cheap loans? Money will still have to be given. And hiring punks is much more profitable. Having invested in a gang you put it on self-sufficiency. Even if the payback is zero, your purchases are much cheaper. Total. The ruin of competitors and enrichment of oneself. Bonus Busted gardeners will never live better than you. They will have to buy everything from you for your candy wrappers. And who says war is unprofitable? Very profitable business. Without war, as without hands!
      3. +6
        3 January 2016 22: 14
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        ...
        But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism ...

        I didn’t find Stalin, and under Brezhnev’s they could plant for unauthorized production and sale of flower pots
        1. +14
          3 January 2016 22: 33
          Quote: poquello
          I didn’t find Stalin, and under Brezhnev’s they could plant for unauthorized production and sale of flower pots

          The fact of the matter is that I had in mind precisely the Stalinist mixed economy. When the same artels and cooperative enterprises produced up to 70-80% of the range of some consumer goods.
          And about flower pots .. My dear uncle, in the late 70s, on the basis of his state-owned enterprise, made several machines for the production of wallpaper by order of the Georgian guild workers. Each at the cost of a Zhiguli. Moreover, from decommissioned materials (illiquid assets are shorter) The most difficult question was not to develop and manufacture, but to take out the finished product - OBKhSS did not doze wink
          1. -5
            3 January 2016 22: 58
            I hope the uncle was caught and imprisoned to the fullest extent of Soviet laws. You want it
            1. +55
              3 January 2016 23: 16
              Quote: Nikolai K
              I hope the uncle was caught and imprisoned to the fullest extent of Soviet laws. You want it

              You are a very narrow-minded person if you do not understand the simple meaning of my comment. Under the Stalinist model of the national economy, such products were produced and sold in the system of industrial cooperation. With the deduction of all relevant taxes and without any violation of social law. Khrushchev and his accomplices destroyed the diversified economy, formalized and complicated the planning and decision-making process in the production of Group B goods. As a result, we got the notorious shortage of consumer goods and, as a result, disillusionment of the population with the socialist model of development. "There is money, but nothing to buy." How it all ended, I think, there is no need to remind.
              1. MrK
                +11
                4 January 2016 00: 13
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Khrushchev and his accomplices destroyed the diversified economy, formalized and complicated the planning and decision-making process in the production of Group B goods.


                Thanks for the comment by colleague Ami du peuple. I thought to write it myself. For the first time, he lamented this at Kurlandchik on Proza.ru. And then through the links of Courlandchik found other sources.
                And you will not convince Nikolai K's colleague.
                Best regards
                1. +16
                  4 January 2016 02: 40
                  Ami du peuple (1)
                  Khrushchev and his accomplices destroyed the diversified economy, formalized and complicated the planning and decision-making process in the production of Group B goods. As a result, we got the notorious shortage of consumer goods and, as a result, disappointment of the population in the socialist model of development.

                  And Khrushchev ideologically showed political profanity when, in the joys of flying in 1961, the first person in the world, Yu.A. Gagarin, a citizen of the USSR, declared into space that: “The Soviet people in 1980 will live under communism!”
                  The people also do not forgive such ideological PR “blunders” of the country's leaders in trusting the authorities.
                  1. +8
                    4 January 2016 06: 10
                    The people do not forgive such ideological PR “blunders” of the country's leaders in trusting the authorities

                    Especially when the "global goal of society" is drawn so close, and the steps are getting shorter. The question arises? Either the idea is bad (there are half the world) or the wrong ones are ruling us (there are "their" very skilled rulers).
              2. -18
                4 January 2016 00: 14
                You, apparently, poorly studied Marxism-Leninism, if you think so primitively. And the classics clearly indicated that any owner, including a peasant, artisan and shopkeeper, is an enemy of Soviet power. And Stalin brutally eradicated this enemy. Just then, food safety was a priority, because they started with de-peeling (collectivization) of peasants, the shopkeepers and artisans did not immediately get their hands on, although more or less large artels also took control. But Khryashchev and Brezhnev only finally realized the covenants of their leaders, driving artisanal underground. Well, except that they allowed grandmothers to trade socks and peasants with chicken and pork, grown in their yard on feed stolen from collective farm fields. Just do not transplant all the grandmothers.
                1. +39
                  4 January 2016 01: 43
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  You, apparently, poorly studied Marxism-Leninism, if you think so primitively.

                  Dear Kolya, I not only studied "Marxism-Leninism", as you deigned to express it (in fact, there was no such subject. There was "History of the CPSU", "Political Economy" and "Dialectical Materialism", that is, the foundations of Marxist-Leninist philosophy) , but also passed the state exam in the discipline "Scientific Communism". I dare to assure you that you have somewhat distorted ideas about the socialist model of the national economy.
                  I will not go into details - this is a long conversation (and, in your case, in vain), but I still agree with one of your postulates. Brezhnev and especially Khrushchev really perverted Stalin's ideas of building an economy. But in no way did they "finally realize the precepts of their leaders."
                  1. new
                    -40
                    4 January 2016 02: 13
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Brezhnev and, especially, Khrushchev really perverted the Stalinist ideas of building an economy.

                    Son, you should live during this "Stalinist economy". So then you would not call Khrushchev a "maize". I would pray for him. For once, people have become at least a little like people. He at least eliminated the caste of untouchables (the so-called disenfranchised). Have you heard of such disenfranchised? There were many of them. Lots of.
                    And if you want "Stalinist economy", go to the DPRK. And don't fool people here. You will get enough hunger there. You’ll have enough mind. True, they will most likely not be released back. We'll have to "enjoy" there.
                    1. +26
                      4 January 2016 02: 58
                      Quote: anew
                      Son, you should live during this "Stalinist economy"

                      Quote: anew
                      At least he caste of the untouchables (the so-called deprived)

                      Quote: anew
                      And if you want "Stalinist economy", go to the DPRK. And don't fool people here.

                      Firstly, I am not your "son", I have my own father. And I don’t need to "poke" with you, I don’t graze geese.
                      Second, what is this "untouchable caste"? You don’t confuse the USSR with India, by chance?
                      Thirdly, I do not see the need to listen to the advice of some vague Dutch character on the question of where to "blame". By the way, the DPRK is not the worst country to live in. But people like you cannot be convinced of this.
                      1. -30
                        4 January 2016 03: 47
                        Yes, it is possible to compare the life of an ordinary person in the DPRK with that of the accursed Geyrop and the USA :))) Today there are many reports of bloggers, including Russian ones who were there, and some managed at their own risk to photograph something It is strictly forbidden to film to foreigners. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with a lot of interesting things.
                      2. +22
                        4 January 2016 07: 58
                        Quote: Antanas
                        Yes, yes, how can the life of an ordinary person in the DPRK be compared with that of the accursed Geyrop and the USA

                        Oh, that respected Israeli experts pulled themselves up. Who, if not them, will tell us the whole burning truth about the horrors of the existence of a simple person in authoritarian North Korea?
                        I in no way called the USA and Europe "damned" and, moreover, did not disfigure their names. I will just repeat once again - the totalitarian DPRK is not the worst place to live. And compared with such democratic countries as close Tajikistan or distant Somalia ... But for some reason it is North Korea that is constantly exposed as a bogeyman.
                      3. -7
                        4 January 2016 10: 41
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Oh, that respected Israeli experts pulled themselves up.

                        Why do you immediately focus on nationality? We have an economic theme.
                        Maybe they live worse in Somalia than in the DPRK, but in South Korea it is better, but the people are the same, or will you dispute this?
                        Why didn’t the magnificent country built by Stalin last 40 years?
                        On the topic, the bourgeois economy was in a competitive environment and did not allow itself liberties, there was a competition for a third-world market with undeveloped technological production, but now a significant part of the third-world countries themselves have become technologically advanced and compete with the bourgeois West, apples are produced at cost price from they are cheaper here and the West has to introduce zero or even negative rates with all positive and negative consequences.
                      4. Alf
                        +6
                        4 January 2016 17: 14
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Why didn’t the magnificent country built by Stalin last 40 years?

                        Because after Stalin, the development of the country went in a completely different direction.
                      5. +6
                        4 January 2016 17: 25
                        Quote: Alf
                        the country's development went in a completely different direction.

                        But whatever it was, we were ahead of the rest!
                      6. Alf
                        +4
                        4 January 2016 17: 46
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Quote: Alf
                        the country's development went in a completely different direction.
                        But whatever it was, we were ahead of the rest!

                        Wrong. The fact is that after the death of the IVS, the economy was still developing by inertia, but after the coming of power, the khrushchev stopped. Take a look at the reasons for the 61st year reform. But the reason is one - after the rejection of the Stalinist plan for the country's development in the country, inflation appeared.
                      7. +1
                        4 January 2016 19: 08
                        Quote: Alf
                        But the reason is one - after the rejection of the Stalinist plan for the country's development in the country, inflation appeared.

                        I ask why, in a wonderful country, incompetent people who could easily destroy Stalin’s brilliant achievements could fall into power?
                        It turns out that the system was built so that any eccentric who reached the top of power could turn the country upside down at the time, tomorrow Stalin will come and there will be an industrial boom, the day after tomorrow Gorbachev will come and ruin everything.
                        Hundreds of millions of people depend only on what kind of person will hit their heads.
                      8. Alf
                        +5
                        4 January 2016 20: 53
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        I ask why, in a wonderful country, incompetent people who could easily destroy Stalin’s brilliant achievements could fall into power?

                        That is precisely why the temporary detention center was preparing for the 55th year a reform of the country, according to which only the ideological component remained with the party, but in which the party moved away from governing the country.
                      9. +5
                        5 January 2016 07: 05
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        who could easily destroy the brilliant achievements of Stalin?

                        Stalin’s achievements have not yet been destroyed, because the remnants of Soviet industry are still alive (and we didn’t have another), although they continue to finish it off with all their might.
                        Now imagine what a powerful foundation was laid in the Stalin era.
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                        5 January 2016 10: 22
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        the remnants of Soviet industry are still alive (and we didn’t and haven’t another), although they continue to finish it off with all their might.
                        Now imagine what a powerful foundation was laid in the Stalin era.

                        Lord, what industry? It could exist ONLY inside a closed USSR. Because It was completely uncompetitive. Neither in terms of energy intensity, nor in labor intensity. Yes, and the quality of products issued, too. As soon as the borders were opened, she immediately collapsed. All. Because in an open state could not exist in principle. And what is preserved today has nothing to do with Soviet industry, because modernized and completely updated.
                        Today China suffers from a similar problem with "socialist" industry. He, unlike the USSR, supported her all the way with subsidies. Here it also sausages periodically, from these unproductive expenses. It was cheaper to blow up these factories. But there would be serious problems with unemployment.
                      11. -1
                        5 January 2016 17: 00
                        Read the book by A. Parshev "Why Russia is not America" ​​and then there will be less porridge in your head!
                        The cost of any product in Russia will always be higher than in other countries. It’s just much colder here and even with the same technology, energy costs will be higher.
                        Therefore, Russia has only two options, or both are better: 1. healthy protectionism; 2. Unknown to anyone hitherto super-duper know-how.
                        You can not compare the incomparable!
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                        +2
                        5 January 2016 17: 12
                        Quote: Volzhanin
                        The cost of any product in Russia will always be higher than in other countries.

                        Poor Canadians. They do not know that they cannot have anything good. Parshev does not order.
                      13. +2
                        5 January 2016 18: 37
                        You're wrong. We have cheap natural resources. Therefore, any material-intensive industry can be competitive. But not with the current cost of capital.
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                        4 January 2016 21: 26
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Oh, that respected Israeli experts pulled themselves up.

                        Why do you immediately focus on nationality? We have an economic theme.
                        Maybe they live worse in Somalia than in the DPRK, but in South Korea it is better, but the people are the same, or will you dispute this?
                        Why didn’t the magnificent country built by Stalin last 40 years?
                        On the topic, the bourgeois economy was in a competitive environment and did not allow itself liberties, there was a competition for a third-world market with undeveloped technological production, but now a significant part of the third-world countries themselves have become technologically advanced and compete with the bourgeois West, apples are produced at cost price from they are cheaper here and the West has to introduce zero or even negative rates with all positive and negative consequences.


                        "Israeli experts" is the emphasis on nationality?))) I do not know this nationality! The emphasis here was on the fact that the "Israeli expert" cheats comparing the ass with a finger! Comparison of South Korea and the DPRK is also not correct ... South Korea was pumped up by investments within the framework of the "Marshall Plan", and the DPRK lives under sanctions and without the support of the USSR ... This is so, for your information ... And why did the country built so little Stalin, you can read in the book by Stuart Kagan "The Kremlin Wolf". Just read carefully!))
                      17. -1
                        5 January 2016 17: 02
                        Quote: bovig
                        "Israeli experts" is it an emphasis on nationality?

                        If it’s not clear to you that this is again about the Jews, then what can you do?
                        Quote: bovig
                        The emphasis here was on the fact that the "Israeli expert" cheats comparing the ass with a finger!

                        And blame the Poles for arrogance.
                        Quote: bovig
                        South Korea was pumped up with investments under the Marshall Plan,

                        South Korea did not participate in the "Marshall Plan", the "Marshall Plan" is a program to rebuild Western Europe, which included 16 European states.
                        Back in the early 60s, South Korea was one of the poorest countries in the region.
                        But the USSR provided assistance to North Korea, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the debt amounted to 11 billion.
                        This is for your information, China does not support sanctions against S. Korea.
                        Quote: bovig
                        And why the country built by Stalin stretched so little, you can read in the book by Stuart Kagan "The Kremlin Wolf".

                        Wherever spit everywhere conspiracy, whoever spoke to these Americans with their rotten, anti-human capitalism.
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                        5 January 2016 23: 56
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Quote: bovig
                        "Israeli experts" is it an emphasis on nationality?

                        If it’s not clear to you that this is again about the Jews, then what can you do?
                        Quote: bovig
                        The emphasis here was on the fact that the "Israeli expert" cheats comparing the ass with a finger!

                        And blame the Poles for arrogance.
                        Quote: bovig
                        South Korea was pumped up with investments under the Marshall Plan,

                        South Korea did not participate in the "Marshall Plan", the "Marshall Plan" is a program to rebuild Western Europe, which included 16 European states.
                        Back in the early 60s, South Korea was one of the poorest countries in the region.
                        But the USSR provided assistance to North Korea, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the debt amounted to 11 billion.
                        This is for your information, China does not support sanctions against S. Korea.
                        Quote: bovig
                        And why the country built by Stalin stretched so little, you can read in the book by Stuart Kagan "The Kremlin Wolf".

                        Wherever spit everywhere conspiracy, whoever spoke to these Americans with their rotten, anti-human capitalism.


                        And then the Poles, whom I allegedly accused of arrogance, and what kind of conspiracy are you talking about? Do you have a mania for conspiracy theories?)) How do you strangely try to conjecture for others, or to assign untold texts to others ...
                        However, if you do not like the Marshall Plan, let it be the Truman Doctrine ... If only you would understand the essence ... Or do you intend to deny the US expansion? Including South Korea ...
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                        7 January 2016 23: 49
                        This is precisely the worst place possible. Even Somalia and especially Tajikistan. I read a lot of material on the DPRK from completely reliable sources. The DPRK is not even totalitarianism, it is the real slave state, the worst of the possible. Want to know more about this?
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                        7 January 2016 23: 49
                        This is precisely the worst place possible. Even Somalia and especially Tajikistan. I read a lot of material on the DPRK from completely reliable sources. The DPRK is not even totalitarianism, it is the real slave state, the worst of the possible. Want to know more about this?
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                        5 January 2016 16: 49
                        It is absolutely possible to say that in the DPRK there is nothing that would not be in the geyrop, in the gamer, and in Israel. Everything is exactly the same, only the view from the side.
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                        +1
                        5 January 2016 17: 15
                        Quote: Volzhanin
                        It is absolutely possible to say that in the DPRK there is nothing that would not be in the geyrop, in the gamer, and in Israel. Everything is exactly the same, only the view from the side.

                        To you, a man who has never patriotically left the village Pupkino knows better, of course.
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                        8 January 2016 01: 06
                        Seriously? :))) Well, for starters - in the listed countries, you also do not have the right to go to a neighboring city to visit relatives, smiled friends without the permission of the relevant authorities (and it’s not at all a fact that you will get it), there, too, the radio receivers are sealed with a fixed setting, 2 TV programs only for "insiders", external Internet is strictly prohibited, as well as external communication? There you can go to the store and buy what you want? There you can say a word against your favorite party and the pig personally? This is just the beginning.
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                      4 January 2016 09: 05
                      Hooray for you !!! Just Hurray !!! Those who put you cons are just foolish people !! Know that those who are now really plowing at their small factories and workshops are all with YOU, and the minuses are put to you by people who have not experienced the happiness of crafts ... And let me at least blame ...
                    3. +10
                      4 January 2016 09: 42
                      anew / You probably didn’t stand in long lines for wheat bread, in the Altai steppes, and did not see pig villages with huts for one sow. No need to praise the short-sighted politician Khrushchev. I do not touch upon other miscalculations of his reign.
                    4. 0
                      4 January 2016 21: 02
                      Quote: anew
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      Brezhnev and, especially, Khrushchev really perverted the Stalinist ideas of building an economy.

                      Son, you should live during this "Stalinist economy". So then you would not call Khrushchev a "maize". I would pray for him. For once, people have become at least a little like people. He at least eliminated the caste of untouchables (the so-called disenfranchised). Have you heard of such disenfranchised? There were many of them. Lots of.
                      And if you want "Stalinist economy", go to the DPRK. And don't fool people here. You will get enough hunger there. You’ll have enough mind. True, they will most likely not be released back. We'll have to "enjoy" there.


                      By the way, you are the first who mentioned Khrushchev as a "maize", while others suggest praying for him ... However, you are not in the mood to discuss any nonsense, but it would be interesting to "enlighten" about the "untouchable disenfranchised", of whom there were "very many" .))) Tell me, please!)
                    5. +3
                      6 January 2016 11: 47
                      My grandfather and grandmother lived under the Stalinist economy. In the village. So - according to their stories under Stalin, collective farmers were allocated as much land for personal landings as you ask. And then the crop could then be quietly sold on the market in the city. The collective farm even allocated transport to transport products. Private and collective farm fruits and vegetables were brought to the market together. there was not much workday, but it came out pretty well from their garden. It was possible even not to trade ourselves but to hand in consumer co-operation - they themselves would come to the village, pay off and pick up the crop. Only lazy did not have to rely on a rich workday. And they recalled Khrushchev with a gnashing of teeth. Plots collective farmers cut. Cooperatives tricked. And although the peasants quietly cultivated additional areas, it was already illegal, it was possible to fly in. And there were production cooperatives. My grandfather quite officially (even before the war) concluded a contract and made barrels, beehives, etc. in winter. could custom-made furniture. And Khrushchev covered all this. In short - who worked did not starve. And those who sat on the stove all winter — of course, interrupted themselves from bread to water. This was under Stalin in later times, under Brezhnev.
                  2. +4
                    4 January 2016 02: 19
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    I not only studied "Marxism-Leninism", as you deign to say (in fact, there was no such subject.

                    ?
                    Since 1925, the course “Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism” was introduced in the USSR in all universities, an integral part of which was “History of the CPSU (B.)”
                    course of institute Marxist-Leninist philosophy / Publishing house of Moscow State University, 1976; Graphic tools in teaching the course of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.
                    1. +6
                      4 January 2016 03: 04
                      Quote: Just
                      Since 1925, the course “Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism” was introduced in the USSR in all universities, an integral part of which was “History of the CPSU (B.)”
                      course of institute Marxist-Leninist philosophy / Publishing house of Moscow State University, 1976; Graphic tools in teaching the course of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

                      Curricula are different, you know. Moreover, I did not study at Moscow State University. A simpler and, I would even say, well, completely glamorous educational institution finished smile
                      1. +3
                        4 January 2016 13: 17
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Well, a completely non-glamorous educational institution

                        I graduated from a technical university with a purely military specialty.
                        According to Marxist-Leninist philosophy, there was a solid Troyak. I remember exactly.
                        And the methodology of Moscow State University ...
                        The technical college at ZIL was created in accordance with the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 1425 of December 30 of 1959 of the year by order of the Ministry of Higher Education of the RSFSR of March 1 of 1960 of the year on the basis of the Moscow Automotive Institute (MAMI) branch.

                        1964

                        In accordance with the decision of the leading party and state bodies of the USSR, the system of socio-political disciplines studied at universities was adjusted. It included the history of the CPSU, Marxist-Leninist philosophy, political economy and scientific communism (teaching of the last discipline began in the 1964 / 1965 academic year).
                        The party bureau of the technical college plant discusses the question "On the tasks of the departments of the technical college plant for the communist education of students."

                        (just caught my arm)
                    2. +5
                      4 January 2016 06: 24
                      In 1925, only my grandfather could study, but in the 70s I never heard about:
                      course "Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism"

                      and here
                      There were "History of the CPSU" - 1st year of study "Political Economy" - 3 course yes "Dialectical Materialism" -2 course, that is, the foundations of Marxist-Leninist philosophy),4th, 5th courses but also passed the state exam in discipline "Scientific communism ".
                      1. +1
                        4 January 2016 13: 27
                        Quote: Just BB
                        but I didn’t hear about 70 about:

                        but this does not mean that you are "the ultimate truth"?
                        Maybe you studied poorly?
                        The practice of teaching philosophy in the USSR was formed by the well-known decree on the setting up of party propaganda in connection with the publication of the Short Course of the CPSU (B.) In 1938.
                        And so it was before the "thaw"

                        Quote: Just BB
                        and here

                        The emergence of the discipline "Scientific Communism" characterizes the situation in the teaching of social sciences in the USSR during the thaw.

                        Speech by Mikhail Suslov on 30 on January 1962 at the All-Union Meeting of the Heads of the Departments of Social Sciences is a formal starting point for the emergence of scientific communism.

                        The history of the “Foundations of Scientific Communism” - In 1967, it was enshrined in a decree of the CPSU Central Committee “On Measures for the Further Formation of Social Sciences and the Enhancement of Their Role in Further Communist Construction”.

                        From Stalin to Suslov, Shadow of Mao over the USSR
                  3. -10
                    4 January 2016 02: 49
                    It’s pointless to go into details, well, you want to believe in scientific communism and the tsar-priest Joseph - it's a matter of the master. And speaking of facts, find statistics on the Internet that show the share of goods in agriculture and industry produced by private and collective farms. And you will see how under Stalin the proportion of the former declined many times.
                    1. +13
                      4 January 2016 03: 09
                      Hence the conclusion. Private economy is economically disadvantageous. The collective is more profitable than the private! Yes, and the global economy speaks about this. The most effective are large enterprises.
                      1. -2
                        4 January 2016 10: 42
                        Conclusions from what? Do you think the most effective Gazprom and Rosneft in our country? If we talk about global economic thought, it has long been proven that the larger the company, the less efficient it is managed, including because large companies become bureaucratic systems where the personal interests of the bureaucrat and the company do not coincide. But on the other hand, the economies of scale, i.e. cost savings on large volumes of production, no one has canceled. So the most effective medium-sized private enterprises, taking into account industry specifics.
                      2. +4
                        4 January 2016 13: 31
                        Quote: Region 34
                        . The most effective are large enterprises.

                        Do you feel the difference between m / y "private" and "collective"?

                        The first place with a turnover in 2014 of $ 42,886 billion is occupied by CHS Inc., a company engaged in the production and supply of food and grain. In the 2013 year, the company also led, the turnover amounted to $ 44,480 billion. The value of assets, in contrast to the cash inflow for the year, increased by $ 1,5 billion from $ 13,504 to $ 15,147 billion. Dairy Farmers dairy cooperative moved from third to second place in 2014 of America. This happened due to revenue growth of almost $ 5 billion - from $ 12,879 in 2013 to $ 17,856 in 2014. The value of assets also increased by almost $ 800 million to $ 3,404 billion. On the contrary, Land O'Lakes Inc., another large dairy producer, also engaged in the production and supply of food products, fell from second to third place. Despite an increase in revenue from $ 14,287 billion to $ 15,276 billion and an increase in the assets of the cooperative to $ 6,992 billion compared to $ 6,758 billion in 2013, the company was unable to maintain its position.


                        How do you think American Monsanto is a "private" farm or
                        Quote: Region 34
                        Collective

                        ?
                    2. +30
                      4 January 2016 06: 03
                      And you can find on the Internet statistics on how much the population increased under Stalin and how much it decreased under Gorbachev, Yeltsin. So who destroyed our people? And further. Stalin is accused of some not real and unsubstantiated number of those executed. But even those who operate with facts for some reason forget to clarify how many of them were robbers, murderers, traitors who served the enemy, whose hands were covered in blood. I understand the current "elite" who are afraid of Stalin. After all, with him, you would have to answer for all the crimes committed. Therefore, it throws mud at it, and at the same time the whole of socialism as a whole. Whatever people think of to return socialism and Stalin.
                      1. +21
                        4 January 2016 06: 40
                        By the way, about the article 58-m. Some points are directly requested in the new Criminal Code: 58-7. Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation committed for counter-revolutionary purposes through the appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or counteracting their normal activities, as well as using state institutions and enterprises or opposing their activities 58-10. Propaganda or agitation containing a call for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power or for the commission of certain counter-revolutionary crimes 58-14. Counter-revolutionary sabotage, i.e. deliberate failure by someone to perform certain duties or intentionally carelessly performing them with the special purpose of weakening the power of the government and the activities of the state apparatus. The words counter-revolutionary, Soviet, can be removed (who do not like it), and everything else is very relevant for our time.
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                        4 January 2016 17: 43
                        If we raise the statistics, then the fastest growing population of Russia grew in the second half of 19 in the beginning of 20 in (before 1914).
                        When Stalin entrenched himself in power (1927-1929), the average annual natural population growth in Russia (RSFSR) was 2,05%, in the last three years of the Secretary General’s annual population growth decreased to 1,64%, or 20%. And also pay attention to how the natural increase fell in 1932-1934, in particular, only in 1933 the population of Russia decreased by 1926 thousand people, despite the fact that earlier it had grown by approximately 1,7 million people annually. You can calculate how many lives starvation took in just one year, and this is only in the RSFSR.
                        Who cares, study
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                2. +19
                  4 January 2016 02: 31
                  Nikolay K! Do not carry nonsense. The state gave something to a private trader at a state price, gave a plan for purchasing products from a private trader (state order). Sell ​​in excess of government orders at the market price. Today, there is a struggle for state orders for shopkeepers. Collectivization? Why don’t you cry for chain stores? They collectivized trade and ravaged the shuttles! And the creation of monopolies, multinational companies is not collectivization? But the ongoing crises is not collectivization? But is NATO, the EU, the WTO not collectivization? Grandmothers allowed to trade pork? And in the United States, raising plants and animals for the purpose of exchange or sale is prohibited. What is it like?
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                    4 January 2016 13: 34
                    You are not nonsense. Where has it been seen in the USSR, so that the state would give out something to a PRIVATE SELLER at the state price, examples in the studio! Collective farms, artels and other COLLECTIVE farms can be, but not private owners. And also tell us how in most collective farms they stole all and sundry: everything around the people, everything around mine. Personally, I remember very well how in the late 80s my relatives worked on the collective farm "for show", as the salary was cheap. But they kept cattle, which they fed with corn stolen from the collective farm fields, kept a vegetable garden of a hectare or two, on which they grew potatoes and onions for sale, in fact, they lived from that. Doesn't this Soviet system remind you of the feudal corvee, when the serf had to first work on the land of the landowner, and then he could work for himself. Some worked in the garden from dawn to dusk, and in a season could earn money for a car, or even more. But they worked hard in their own garden, they didn't care about the collective farm. True, the minority worked hard, the rest just thumped from morning to evening, they lived well under socialism.
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                      4 January 2016 14: 19
                      Quote: Nikolai K
                      Does this Soviet system remind you of the feudal corvée, when the serf first had to work out the landowner on the ground, then he could already work for himself.

                      This is corvée. Because the so-called socialism is ordinary pseudo-religious feudalism. Moreover, during the time of Dzhugashvili, he was at the same stage as before the abolition of serfdom. Those. in fact, under the sweet slogans there was a rollback of the state in the first half of the 19th century.
                      And even in the 18th century, because corvee in the days of "socialism" was not a three-day period, as under tsarism from the 19th century, but to the fullest.
                      1. +2
                        4 January 2016 22: 08
                        Quote: anew
                        Quote: Nikolai K
                        Does this Soviet system remind you of the feudal corvée, when the serf first had to work out the landowner on the ground, then he could already work for himself.

                        This is corvée. Because the so-called socialism is ordinary pseudo-religious feudalism. Moreover, during the time of Dzhugashvili, he was at the same stage as before the abolition of serfdom. Those. in fact, under the sweet slogans there was a rollback of the state in the first half of the 19th century.
                        And even in the 18th century, because corvee in the days of "socialism" was not a three-day period, as under tsarism from the 19th century, but to the fullest.


                        Oh, dear!)))) So you do not carry nonsense, but brazenly distort the facts and pervert reality!)) Such children of your parents are not the result of love, but the fruit of perverse sin in connection with the totalitarian ban on abortion! Or do you want to refute me?))))) Facts in the studio !!!
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                        5 January 2016 17: 03
                        Late to teach a fool a mind.
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                  4 January 2016 06: 04
                  It seems that you studied this "Marxism-Leninism" at the "University of Marxism-Leninism" of the same name at the Garrison House of Officers winked
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                    4 January 2016 13: 49
                    Quote: Just BB
                    It seems that you studied this "Marxism-Leninism" at the "University of Marxism-Leninism" of the same name at the Garrison House of Officers


                    Quote: Nikolai K
                    it is an enemy of Soviet power. And Stalin brutally eradicated this enemy.

                    Not only Stalin.

                    Marx argued that not only private property is subject to eradication, but also money, and the state, as such, and the family, as a social institution. Destroying only private property while preserving everything else is meaningless. Since it is not advisable to abolish either the family or the state, the Marxist dogma of the general socialization of property there is the same nonsense, so the thesis of the socialization of women.

                    Although Stalin is YES. The rest of the "teorEtiki", and he is a practitioner, was concrete and fought against a private trader. And how "fought"




                    -----------------------------
                    As for private traders, the communists have a "difficult" question, and "ProstoVV" simply does not understand the essence of the question:

                    ... that capital (among the Communists) resources intended for consumption are not considered, but exclusively those resources which are aimed at making a profit.

                    Accordingly: Mishanya Prokhorov (or Abramovich Romik) selling (exchanging) capital in the form of means of production for means of consumption (money, gold, yacht, airplane) - STOPPING TO BE A CAPITALIST PARTICIPANT
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                      5 January 2016 05: 23
                      It should be noted, for objectivity, not only that part of Stalin's speech, which is beneficial to use in the context of the "Stalinist repressions", but also the one that reflects "the nature of the offensive and turning point": "This turning point went and continues to go under the sign of a decisive offensive socialism against the capitalist elements of town and country. A characteristic feature of this offensive is that it has already given us a number of decisive SUCCESSES in the main areas of socialist restructuring (reconstruction) of our national economy. " "The essence of the Bolshevik offensive consists, further, in mobilizing maximum funds for the FINANCING of our industry, for the FINANCING of our state farms and collective farms ..." (JV Stalin. Vol. 12, p. 118.)
                      Elementary Watson! For the purchase of tractors (which were even more effective than horses and oxen in those years), finances were needed that were not owned even by the most successful individual farmer, or a fist ... They could not stand the competition with state farms and collective farms! That was the state will caused by the need to confront external threats! The saboteurs and provocateurs who fell under article 58 were subjected to repression ...
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                      5 January 2016 06: 54
                      Just RU Yesterday, 13:17 ↑ New

                      I graduated from a technical university with a purely military specialty.
                      According to Marxist-Leninist philosophy, there was a solid Troyak. I remember exactly.


                      Just RU Yesterday, 13:27 ↑ New

                      but this does not mean that you are "the ultimate truth"?
                      Maybe you studied poorly?

                      As for private traders, the communists have a "difficult" question, and "ProstoVV" simply does not understand the essence of the question:


                      I will answer the words of the classic:

                      "Than the gossips count to work,
                      Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather? "-
                      Mishka answered her "


                      "Skillfully" fetching the "right" quote at the right time is only a confirmation of your ability as an "Internet user", alas - as my friend says: "You had to study well at school"
                4. Alf
                  +3
                  4 January 2016 17: 11
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  And among the classics it is clearly indicated that any owner, including a peasant, artisan and shopkeeper, is an enemy of Soviet power. And Stalin brutally eradicated this enemy.

                  "Marxism-Leninism" and "Stalinism" are slightly different concepts. ML says that it is necessary, not sparing your country, to rush to organize a world revolution, even if the people of other countries are not ready for it. The basic principle of Stalinism is let the people of another country begin to build socialism by themselves, and we will help.
                  And that the IVS mercilessly uprooted the owners, so he did it absolutely right. The fact is that the basis for this type of private traders is ownership of the means of production, i.e. the owner appropriates profits even in the presence of wage workers.
                  In the Stalinist multistructured economy, there was ARTEL'NO-COOPERATIVE property, that is, one in which property is common to those people who joined this community.
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  It’s just that food safety was a priority, because we started with de-peeling (collectivization) of peasants,

                  And, please tell me, can a private individual-individual farmer feed the country? No, the country can only be fed by large agricultural enterprises (collective farms, state farms, agricultural holdings — in essence, joint cultivation of the land). In Soviet times, a person had a choice - to buy cheaper products in a store, albeit of slightly lower quality, or to buy higher quality products on the market, albeit at a higher price. But at the same time, no one was starving, the whole country was provided with food at fixed state prices. And if you entrust the feeding of the country to private traders, then what we see now will happen - a private trader can set any price or even hold back the goods, and the state will not be able to do anything - "private business is inviolable."
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  And Khryashchev and Brezhnev only finally realized the covenants of their leaders,

                  Stalinist and Khrushchev-Brezhnev socialism are two completely different things.
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                    4 January 2016 18: 21
                    "And, please tell me, can a private individual-individual farmer feed the country? No, the country can only be fed by large agricultural enterprises (collective farms, state farms, agricultural holdings — in essence, joint cultivation of the land)."

                    Let's not confuse PRIVATE ownership of the means of production and COLLECTIVE. The first contradicted the tasks of building a socialist state and was suppressed in every way, the second was encouraged. At the same time, for private business using state, cooperative or other public forms, criminal liability was provided for in part 1 Art. 153 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. By the way, a small note about Stalin's artels
                    http://kommari.livejournal.com/2634866.html

                    As for which form of ownership is more effective in the same agriculture, it is not necessary to go far. In the 90 years, all former collective farms in our country had the status of a collective farm, most often the SEC - an agricultural production cooperative. Now there are no more than 5% of them left, the rest went bankrupt or changed their form of ownership. Moreover, in a huge number of cases, it was either a deliberate removal of assets from the enterprise by its chairman and subsequent bankruptcy, or simply inefficient housekeeping, losses and, again, closure. Many people lost property and land included in the cooperative. At the same time, most agricultural products are now produced by medium and large private farms, while the last 2 of the year we have been producing record yields despite the complete collapse of our own seed production, which has reduced the amount of fertilizers (they are exported) and high market prices for fuel and lubricants etc. It turns out that collective farms lose competition to the private in competition. Why? For one simple reason, when the property is dispersed, and the management is collective, the manager has a great temptation to work not for the team, but for his own pocket, especially in the absence of real control. And he thinks, first of all, not about the public good, but how to fill his personal pocket. And this is not news of today. Who during the USSR had the richest houses in the countryside? The chairman, chief agronomist and chief accountant of the collective farm. It has always been, is and will be. So while there is private property, it will be economically more effective than any other.
                    1. Alf
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                      4 January 2016 20: 59
                      Quote: Nikolai K
                      It turns out that collective farms lose competition to the private in competition. Why? For one simple reason, when the property is dispersed, and the management is collective, the manager has a great temptation to work not for the team, but for his own pocket, especially in the absence of real control.

                      And who is talking about such a management system? Then in collective farms, which were artels and cooperatives, there was a MANDATORY REPLACEMENT management of the economy on the basis of elections.
                      Quote: Nikolai K
                      Let's not confuse PRIVATE ownership of the means of production and COLLECTIVE. The first contradicted the tasks of building a socialist state and was suppressed in every way, the second was encouraged. At the same time, for private business using state, cooperative or other public forms, criminal liability was provided for under Part 1 of Art. 153 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. By the way

                      So I talked about it above.
                      And then, the system was set up in such a way that the cooperatives and collective farms complemented each other.
                      So while there is private property, it will be economically more effective than any other.

                      No, it will not. Private traders will produce what is beneficial to him, and not to the state. We will not go far for examples. Take a vocational training system. Now there is a wild shortage of workers, and private colleges are produced by economists and lawyers. Why? Because for the training of managers and lawyers you can do more.
                      1. -2
                        4 January 2016 23: 06
                        where so much nonsense
                        Quote: Alf
                        ... Then in the collective farms, which were the cooperatives and cooperatives, there was a MANDATORY CHANGE management of the farm on the basis of elections ...

                        collective farm "Dawn" - they run you
                        Quote: Alf
                        ... Take a vocational training system. Now there is a wild shortage of workers, and private colleges are produced by economists and lawyers. Why? Because for the training of managers and lawyers you can do more.

                        demand creates supply, a large number of applicants to lawyers, like an ardent Stalinist really want to send them to where the party will order ?, and then they will send your party, it was already
                      2. +3
                        4 January 2016 23: 59
                        "demand gives rise to supply, a large number of those wishing to become lawyers, like an ardent Stalinist, do you really want to send them where the party will order ?, and then they will send your party, it was already" -
                        And with what fright did you decide that we have such a great demand for lawyers? For the most part, all law graduates are sent not to where the party orders, but much further and popularly ...)))) They raped them for training and they are not needed by anyone else! So, if there is no one to make a protégé, then all these newly-made lawyers (aki and economists) go to work in private security agencies at best ...
                      3. 0
                        5 January 2016 00: 20
                        Quote: bovig
                        "demand gives rise to supply, a large number of those wishing to become lawyers, like an ardent Stalinist, do you really want to send them where the party will order ?, and then they will send your party, it was already" -
                        And with what fright did you decide that we have such a great demand for lawyers? For the most part, all law graduates are sent not to where the party orders, but much further and popularly ...)))) They raped them for training and they are not needed by anyone else! So, if there is no one to make a protégé, then all these newly-made lawyers (aki and economists) go to work in private security agencies at best ...

                        You are absolutely right, they have nowhere to go, but they wanted to become lawyers, hence the demand. Quoting a lawyer will not work, because a person doesn’t have to get an education for work, well, he wants to have a law degree, but to oblige these colleges to have places for which specialties are not enough. And it is necessary to make jobs attractive, raise salaries, create comfortable working conditions, or mechanize, robotize.
                      4. +1
                        5 January 2016 05: 50
                        "You are absolutely right, they have nowhere to go, but they wanted to become lawyers, hence the demand." - this is, forgive me, not market demand, but rather a personal whim - I buy what I want on the educational services market!)))) So the "state" interest is visible here - to strip the first skin off a young citizen and let him go to free bread to build up a new skin ...))) Wise government policy in the style of liberal modernism!)))) And under Stalin there was a terrible totalitarianism !! !))))) Yes, and throughout the Soviet period, education was quota in places in educational institutions and job planning for future graduates ... Just a terrible picture!))))
                      5. 0
                        6 January 2016 00: 34
                        Quote: bovig
                        "You are absolutely right, they have nowhere to go, but they wanted to become lawyers, hence the demand." ...

                        Demand is the most natural, if I buy a certain brand of cigarettes - so they carry them for me. And those who are hungry for these lawyers and others to shove power into the machine - they are nostalgic for the slaves, but they themselves do not want or do not know how, they are not able, out of greed or inability to solve the shortage of workers at their enterprises, to ensure the required profitability and efficiency of the process.
                      6. +1
                        5 January 2016 07: 08
                        And it is necessary to make jobs attractive, raise salaries, create comfortable working conditions, or mechanize, robotize.

                        "The question is, of course, interesting ..."
                        Who will do this? Private trader?
                        If it will be then the last. But then who will buy his products?
                      7. 0
                        6 January 2016 00: 52
                        Quote: Just VV
                        And it is necessary to make jobs attractive, raise salaries, create comfortable working conditions, or mechanize, robotize.

                        "The question is, of course, interesting ..."
                        Who will do this? Private trader?
                        If it will be then the last. But then who will buy his products?

                        The form of ownership does not play a role in this issue, the army is a good example - they created the conditions and the people went. The cost of the final product does not consist solely of costs for workers, if any private owner does not understand this - this is his bar.
                    2. +3
                      4 January 2016 22: 54
                      Quote: Nikolai K
                      "And, please tell me, can a private individual-individual farmer feed the country? No, the country can only be fed by large agricultural enterprises (collective farms, state farms, agricultural holdings — in essence, joint cultivation of the land)."

                      Let's not confuse PRIVATE ownership of the means of production and COLLECTIVE. The first contradicted the tasks of building a socialist state and was suppressed in every way, the second was encouraged. At the same time, for private business using state, cooperative or other public forms, criminal liability was provided for in part 1 Art. 153 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. By the way, a small note about Stalin's artels
                      http://kommari.livejournal.com/2634866.html

                      As for which form of ownership is more effective in the same agriculture, it is not necessary to go far. In the 90 years, all former collective farms in our country had the status of a collective farm, most often the SEC - an agricultural production cooperative. Now there are no more than 5% of them left, the rest went bankrupt or changed their form of ownership. Moreover, in a huge number of cases, it was either a deliberate removal of assets from the enterprise by its chairman and subsequent bankruptcy, or simply inefficient housekeeping, losses and, again, closure. Many people lost property and land included in the cooperative. At the same time, most agricultural products are now produced by medium and large private farms, while the last 2 of the year we have been producing record yields despite the complete collapse of our own seed production, which has reduced the amount of fertilizers (they are exported) and high market prices for fuel and lubricants etc. It turns out that collective farms lose competition to the private in competition. Why? For one simple reason, when the property is dispersed, and the management is collective, the manager has a great temptation to work not for the team, but for his own pocket, especially in the absence of real control. And he thinks, first of all, not about the public good, but how to fill his personal pocket. And this is not news of today. Who during the USSR had the richest houses in the countryside? The chairman, chief agronomist and chief accountant of the collective farm. It has always been, is and will be. So while there is private property, it will be economically more effective than any other.

                      The facts are correct, but the conclusions are incorrect ... If there is no purposeful state policy in the field of agriculture, then neither the farmer nor the collective farm will have an effective economy! Regardless of the form of ownership! But capitalism, especially in its modern form, is not expressed in private ownership of the means of production, but is expressed in the RIGHT to private property, for example, in the form of share capital ... This RIGHT does not provide for responsibility even for the state of the means of production, but provides for the RIGHT to distribution profits obtained as a result of economic activity ... All responsibility for the state of the means of production, as a result, was placed directly on the personnel carrying out economic activities on these means of production, and all the "cream" of this activity is received (by right of ownership) for nothing responding "owners" ... Don't you think that something is wrong here? Or are you yourself one of these "owners"?))) The most interesting thing is that in the event of bankruptcy, the "risking" shares (essentially paper) manage to get their margin from the sale of means of production - this is the practice ...
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2016 07: 17
                        +100500
                        provides the LAW for the distribution of profits earned as a result of economic activity

                        Now let's think about it:
                        "Under what" ...- change "an ordinary worker participated in the distribution of profits? "
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                        6 January 2016 07: 15
                        Quote: Just VV
                        +100500
                        provides the LAW for the distribution of profits earned as a result of economic activity

                        Now let's think about it:
                        "Under what" ...- change "an ordinary worker participated in the distribution of profits? "

                        The worker is least interested in isms, it is important for him that his work be paid in accordance with the agreement ... To the best of his understanding of the course of things, he works for himself, and to the best of his understanding, for the one who understands more. And the laborer begins to understand the isms only from the moment when they begin to cheat him openly and openly, not to pay for the work done ... You cleverly turned the arrows ...))
                5. +1
                  4 January 2016 20: 44
                  Quote: Nikolai K
                  You, apparently, poorly studied Marxism-Leninism, if you think so primitively. And the classics clearly indicated that any owner, including a peasant, artisan and shopkeeper, is an enemy of Soviet power. And Stalin brutally eradicated this enemy. Just then, food safety was a priority, because they started with de-peeling (collectivization) of peasants, the shopkeepers and artisans did not immediately get their hands on, although more or less large artels also took control. But Khryashchev and Brezhnev only finally realized the covenants of their leaders, driving artisanal underground. Well, except that they allowed grandmothers to trade socks and peasants with chicken and pork, grown in their yard on feed stolen from collective farm fields. Just do not transplant all the grandmothers.


                  Nikolai, apparently you studied Marxism-Leninism so intensely and so deeply comprehended it that you lost touch with reality ...)))) However, not only with reality ... You messed it up in theory seriously! You can’t take phrases taken out of context so close to heart! They must be perceived by the mind in conjunction with all teaching. You have perverted the Marxist-Leninist teaching in your mind and you carry this nonsense publicly! Identical: the road to hell is paved with good intentions! This is when the actions in the implementation of the idea have nothing to do with the idea itself, or when the cart is harnessed in front of the horse!)))
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                  5 January 2016 16: 41
                  The idea is partly correct. "Partly" because what was said about Stalin is naive or deliberate lie!
                  Take the trouble to read the sources first, before mixing everything in a heap.
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                    5 January 2016 17: 22
                    Quote: Volzhanin
                    "Partly" because what was said about Stalin is naive or deliberate lie!

                    Whom? Who is it so brazenly slandered? Ah, this exiled criminal-raider Dzhugashvili. Of course, the saint was a man. This is generally a mass phenomenon among raiders. Probably.
                    PS. And he would be conceived immaculately. I tell you exactly.
              3. +1
                4 January 2016 02: 21
                As a result, one deficit replaced another. Commodity rampant, money shortages. Question. And what for a goat button accordion? Or is a shortage of money today the same as a shortage of goods? Nobody just notices him?
                1. +4
                  4 January 2016 08: 48
                  "As a result, one deficit was replaced by another. There is a lot of goods, there is a shortage of money." There is a lot of goods - but all the goods are SHIT. High-quality goods cannot be found in the daytime with fire, as with that notorious shortage of goods, or even worse. If you find a normal sausage, you will pay off the wagon and the small cart.
              4. +2
                4 January 2016 08: 19
                I met an interesting idea in the Soviet-era electronics textbook, confirming your idea. It said that the Soviet Union did not specifically switch to a new type of electronics in order to save jobs. It was praised that they thus take care of people.
            2. +9
              4 January 2016 00: 01
              yeah .. female logic. They also tell you about the Stalinist economy. and indeed, if we talk about the Brezhnev and Khrushchev periods of the USSR, we must understand: the USSR as a project was already being closed, enemies came to power. due to the fact that the main victory of the USSR was a new kind of people, the destruction of the country was possible only with the destruction and perversion of memory (the final part of the process we are now observing especially clearly on the example of Ukraine). the instrument was cinema and pop. It’s not for nothing that the country has now been given over to these demons and plundered, like soldiers of the army of invaders.
              and about women's logic ... pay attention to the fact that no one speaks of equality, they speak of the complete superiority of women. pay attention to other facts related to women by their qualities and place in society. and think about why such a massive and unambiguously expensive advertising campaign is being conducted (and you can’t name this process in any other way). I’ll tell you that there is already an example of this in human history. only the will there was higher. and the goal is different. and the result ...........
          2. -13
            4 January 2016 00: 11
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            The fact of the matter is that I had in mind precisely the Stalinist mixed economy.

            Chevo Chevo ?? belay You respected by someone here are confused with the NEP? But Duc he was not under Stalin.
            I personally, against stepping on the same rake! Let the general secretary and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union remain in their past. We saw everything that this "planned" management eventually led to - to the collapse of a great country! And I personally, categorically against the collapse of the Russian Federation and in particular RUSSIA! We have our modern, competent and determined leader. I, like 90% of the population of the Russian Federation, believe him! And not a planned economy with the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for nothing to me! Yes That's something like this and not otherwise.
            1. +10
              4 January 2016 01: 59
              Quote: GSH-18
              You respected by someone here are confused with the NEP? But Duc he was not under Stalin.

              Very even under Stalin. The beginning of the NEL - 1921, sunset - 1928-1931. Recall when Stalin was elected Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b)?
              Quote: GSH-18
              We saw everything that this "planned" management eventually led to - to the collapse of a great country

              Yes, yes, the Gosplan is to blame for everything! Very subtle remark about the causes of the collapse of the USSR.
              Quote: GSH-18
              We have our modern, competent and decisive leader. I, as 90% of the population of the Russian Federation, believe him! And not what kind of planned economy with the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the People's Forces and not for nothing! That's something like this and not otherwise.

              But is it nothing that Putin is now raising the question of introducing planning elements in the national economy? Or have you not yet reached this moment? wink When the renewed Gosplan is revived, what do you say, one of the "90% of the population of the Russian Federation"?
              By the way, a kind of Central Committee of the CPSU still exists. The Supreme Political Council of the United Russia party is called. But this is so, by the way ..
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                4 January 2016 02: 18
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                When the renewed Gosplan is revived, what do you say, one of the "90% of the population of the Russian Federation"?

                If, God forbid, Gosplan is revived, then it will be necessary to think quickly. Because he’ll probably come next HUNGER. These are twin brothers. One without the other, as history shows, does not happen.
                1. +7
                  4 January 2016 02: 59
                  Your story is very strange ... and the logical chains are strange .... why not blame Ilyich’s bulb ?!
                  1. +8
                    4 January 2016 03: 15
                    Quote: KIND
                    Your story is very strange ... and the logical chains are strange .... why not blame Ilyich’s bulb ?!

                    A light bulb cannot be - it is terribly useful. She in the head of our Dutch friend cockroaches illuminates the road bully
                  2. new
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                    4 January 2016 11: 08
                    Quote: KIND
                    Your story is very strange

                    This is not mine. This USSR had a strange story. The story of one big famine. True, there was enlightenment under Brezhnev. This was when there was a cycle of high oil prices. Then there was no famine. But it was a short period that ended traditionally.
                    Quote: KIND
                    and why not blame the lamp of Ilyich?

                    In what? Is there no pants in the store? So Gosplan was engaged in this, and not a light bulb.
                    1. +3
                      4 January 2016 11: 47
                      You are sorry, you are talking nonsense ... aren’t you laughing at all yourself ?! and collectivization with nationalization is not far off))
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                        4 January 2016 12: 08
                        Quote: KIND
                        by the way, everything returns to the planned economy)))) wait a few years ..... and then collectivization with nationalization is not far off)

                        Those. do you want people to go through all that hell a second time? Do not understand the consequences? Or are you keen on having someone breakfast? Maybe you better get a psychiatrist?
                        Yes, and one more thing. Have you tried to work? Do not go to work, namely to work? Try it, maybe you will like it. Then such thoughts will fly out of my head at once.
                      2. +4
                        4 January 2016 12: 56
                        .... and I have been working since I was 16 ... I served ... I worked ... teach yourself life ... you are not even a Russian ... you are just those who are kind of your own, but worse than enemies (hello to the psychiatrist) .. .. their enemies do not sell for a chocolate bar .... and now because of people like you I look what’s wrong with the country ... and it’s a shame for the power ... my parents taught my Motherland to love and make it better here and now ... and you?! ... wise guy ... at least take an interest in the State Planning Commission .... no more dumb people came up with you ...
                      3. new
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                        4 January 2016 13: 18
                        Quote: KIND
                        their enemies do not sell for chocolate

                        And why did you decide that the neo-Stalinists and neo-communists are my "own"? I am for white people, if that. For the truth and a better life for Russia.
                        Quote: KIND
                        my parents taught my homeland to love and make it better here and now

                        Poorly taught. To love the Motherland means to wish her and her people all the best. But you can’t say that. It, this population, only got out of Soviet shit. Only a little start to breathe. And you want him there again, back, dunk his head. Are those who call back home love? I don’t think so. They basically only talk about this topic. They love only themselves, loved ones. And they don’t really like to work.
                        Quote: KIND
                        and you?! ... wise guy ... at least take an interest in the State Planning Commission .... no more dumb people came up with you ...

                        I, unlike you, even worked there for a while. So not by hearsay I know about the clever men there.
                      4. 0
                        5 January 2016 00: 35
                        "Why did you decide that the neo-Stalinists and neo-communists are" my own "to me? I am for whites, if anything. For the truth and a better life for Russia." -
                        For the Dutch truth and for "a better life for Russia" outside Russia ... Very patriotic !!! Just allow those who live in it to choose the best life for Russia. And without the "smart" advice of those who are "for whites" ... White and hot, you know ...
                      5. 0
                        5 January 2016 00: 23
                        Quote: anew
                        Quote: KIND
                        by the way, everything returns to the planned economy)))) wait a few years ..... and then collectivization with nationalization is not far off)

                        Those. do you want people to go through all that hell a second time? Do not understand the consequences? Or are you keen on having someone breakfast? Maybe you better get a psychiatrist?
                        Yes, and one more thing. Have you tried to work? Do not go to work, namely to work? Try it, maybe you will like it. Then such thoughts will fly out of my head at once.

                        And you, forgive me, who do you work there in Holland? )))) Or some specific place? Which do not go, but work?))) So I keep thinking: why is Europe so prone to same-sex marriage? Is it because all common thoughts flew out of my head at once?)))) From hard work ...
                      6. new
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                        5 January 2016 00: 54
                        Quote: bovig
                        So i think everything

                        I am amused. What do you think? What apparatus do you have for this?
                        He thinks and thinks everything. Thinker, damn it, sofa.
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                        5 January 2016 00: 38
                        Quote: KIND
                        You are sorry, you are talking nonsense ... aren’t you laughing at all yourself ?! and collectivization with nationalization is not far off))

                        Well, who and the shoes of the Zarya factory are model shoes, it's generally subjective
                    2. -1
                      6 January 2016 19: 41
                      Stop !!! What hunger in 60-80 years ... yes, it was empty in the shops, but at home was all that was needed .. stop the crap about the hunger
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                        8 January 2016 00: 28
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Stop !!! What a famine in 60-80 years ...

                        Before spraying indignant saliva, take the trouble to read my comment.
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                2. +7
                  4 January 2016 03: 12
                  Twin capitalism and poverty, brothers! Or is your life rich under your capitalism? And what in the US 50 million are on the cards? There that? Do not fit into the market?
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                    4 January 2016 11: 19
                    Quote: Region 34
                    And what in the US 50 million are on the cards?

                    And why not 500 million? Or not 5 billion? Wider need to think. Large-scale.
                    And those who receive cards do not mind. Cards, this is the same money. Only they can not be drunk. And you can’t buy drugs on them. It is the right form of assistance to the poor.
                    Or is your life rich under your capitalism?

                    According to Allianz data for 2014. the poorest EU "capitalists" are the Romanians. But at the same time, the average Romanian in terms of the level of accumulated wealth "stands" as almost 5 average Russians (4,7). And, for example, an average Estonian like 12.
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                    4 January 2016 13: 41
                    Under capitalism, there are beggars, the rich and the middle class. Under socialism, only the middle class and the poor. Well, except that official Volga and ZIL, departmental clinics, sanatoriums, summer cottages at the party elite. But without the rich. So do you like it better?
                    1. +1
                      5 January 2016 07: 34
                      Have you lived under socialism?
                      Where and when?
                      Or do you still believe that a socialist society was built in the USSR?
                      Yes, the construction was carried out, but as now it can be seen - "the building is at the level of the 1st floor, under the windows", and not as the general secretaries said: "Socialism!", "Developed socialism!"
                      1. new
                        -1
                        5 January 2016 10: 43
                        Quote: Just BB
                        Yes, construction was carried out, but as you can see now - "the building is at the level of the 1st floor, under the windows"

                        On a rotten foundation, feudal production relations, a social state cannot be built. Only a freak like the USSR. Which could exist only with a gag. And repressions of those who disagree.
                      2. -1
                        5 January 2016 16: 45
                        So the foundation was cast from scratch: "We will destroy the whole world of violence!"
                        But it was not possible to build - "the bricks are split ... li". The old "foreman" is dead, and the new one can only show off.
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                        5 January 2016 17: 30
                        Quote: Just BB
                        So the foundation was cast from scratch

                        What nonsense. Noodles specially for people like you.
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                  4 January 2016 05: 56
                  Quote: anew
                  If, God forbid, Gosplan is revived, then it will be necessary to think quickly. Because HUNGER will surely come next.

                  Where did you get this nonsense in your head? From Ukraine, or what, inspired?
                  1. +5
                    4 January 2016 11: 49
                    For many centuries, it was the advent of Soviet power that ended the famine in Russia.
                    Strange, isn't it? There is evidence that at the end of the 19th century, about 2 million people died of starvation (the Bolsheviks are probably to blame). Such "Holodomors" were repeated at regular intervals. Interesting see internet.
                    1. -3
                      4 January 2016 14: 11
                      The last mass famine was after the Patriotic War. In your opinion, by that time we did not yet have Soviet power? Yes, in pre-revolutionary Russia there was also famine, the cause of which was, above all, crop failure. But it was sort of like the landlord bloodsuckers. And Stalin managed to organize a famine without reference to crop failures, the peasants simply seized grain, sending it to the city and for export. This is such a paradox; its own popular government took away bread from the starving in order to earn money on this. In particular, after the war, severe famine was in 1946 and especially in 1947. There is no exact data on the number of deaths (estimates are 1-1,5 million people), but in 1947, official mortality in the USSR increased 1,5 times compared to the hungry 1946 year (about 800 thousand people). Approximately 20% of all deaths at that time were children. At the same time, about 1946 million tons of grain were exported from the USSR to 1948-4,5 from the USSR, including 0,5 million tons. to France, a large volume of grain was supplied as an aid to East Germany. And about 1,4 million tons It was exported directly in the midst of famine. For you to understand, such an amount of grain would be enough to produce 1,5 million people per 1,5 kg of bread daily for 0,5 years. That is, their bread in the USSR was quite enough, and the death of 1,5 million people lies solely on the conscience of the Soviet government.
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                        4 January 2016 14: 25
                        Quote: Nikolai K
                        a large volume of grain was supplied as an aid to eastern Germany

                        And not only them, all future "friends" fell. Therefore, there was no strong post-war famine in Eastern Europe after WW2. The cost of this was the lives of fellow citizens. Here it is, "gratitude" to Dzhugashvili and his gang.
                      2. +5
                        4 January 2016 15: 09
                        Nikolai K, you are an ordinary anti-adviser. For your fantasies, you use liberal tricks. On the Internet, there is data on the repressed, starving, even on the number of people eaten. Hunger is precisely cannibalism. Outside the transition to this, there is no hunger. Eating, just reducing food intake. In your research, is there evidence of cannibalism in the USSR in 1947? If not, then you are not correctly setting forth the facts. No need to distort, 1946-47gg., After such a war increased child mortality? And how many were not born? For you to understand, such an amount of grain would be enough to produce 1,5 million people per 1,5 kg of bread daily for 0,5 years. That is, their bread in the USSR was quite enough, and the death of 1,5 million people lies solely on the conscience of the Soviet government.Arithmetic is lame. Where are the statistics on the starvation of 1,5 million people? Propaganda. You are not a troll Nikolai, you are a provocateur. You are a traitor. You hate your homeland, you substitute (judging by the flag) your homeland. I'm sorry for you, but it's your choice. I hope thirty pieces of silver, you received or in exchange, the order (of the same weight), as the hero of Ukraine Mazepa.
                      3. 0
                        4 January 2016 17: 03
                        "Hunger is precisely cannibalism. Outside of the transition to this, there is no hunger. There is, just a decrease in food consumption."

                        I have no words.
                      4. 0
                        4 January 2016 17: 07
                        The anti-Soviet is only a political worldview. But scum in any political color remains scum.
                      5. 0
                        5 January 2016 08: 42
                        Distort. An anti-Soviet is always scum, so historically. There will be time, Krasnov and Solzhenitsyn will take an interest.
                      6. 0
                        5 January 2016 00: 52
                        Nikolay K, and you cleverly shuffle and distort information, like a real sharpie ... Skills of a katala?)))) Only with cards is it dangerous to handle this way now - a skull can suffer, and it’s safe to make money in virtual space decently, not so whether?)))
                      7. +2
                        5 January 2016 07: 41
                        Among my friends there are not a small number of people, including my aunt, born in 1948.
                        If there was a famine, would children be born?
                        It was difficult - the fascist raked and burned everything, but people were recovering!
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                        5 January 2016 10: 56
                        Quote: Just VV
                        Among my friends there are not a small number of people, including my aunt, born in 1948.
                        If there was a famine, would children be born?

                        So in the 30s there was a terrible famine not throughout the USSR. Where the State Planning Commission planned the "shock" grain procurement, there he was.
                      11. -1
                        5 January 2016 16: 49
                        The most joyless thing for you is that most of them reserve officers of the RF Armed Forces and come from all over the USSR soldier
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                        5 January 2016 17: 32
                        For me, what sorrow?
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                        5 January 2016 13: 35
                        At the height of the famine in 1947, 1680 thousand people died in the RSFSR. 1210 thousand people died in the previous year, i.e. mortality immediately increased by almost 40%. The fact that this was an increase not caused by natural demographic factors is evidenced by the fact that in the 1948 year, mortality almost also sharply decreased to 1310 thousand people, and next year to 1187 thousand people. That is, only in 1947, for unknown reasons, about 470 thousand people died, and this, I repeat, only in the RSFSR, on a Union-wide scale, the number is larger.

                        As for your aunt, I also know many 1948 years of birth and so what? Even in the hungry 1947 year, 2715 thousand people were born in the RSFSR. If statistics say that 20% of the dead were children, then this is about 335 thousand people. Accordingly, at least 2380 thousand children of 1947 year of birth were able to survive this hungry year.
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              4 January 2016 02: 36
              Are you against the CPSU? No question. Get United Russia. You do not want? Well then get the power of capital. Anything that only representatives of the capital will be in power?
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              2. -1
                4 January 2016 12: 46
                So you yourself voted for this United Russia, and you’ll get the power of crooks and thieves. Or did you vote for the Communist Party and its great leader, Comrade Zyuganov? So then it’s not so, he certainly certainly adamantly defends your beliefs. Or is it not so adamant? Or are the Communists themselves not averse to tossing personal capital? That again the fifth column betrayed the country and do we need a new Stalin? And the word AGAIN does not bother you? Do not you think that the fact that the country is once again stepping on the same rake is no longer an accident, but a regularity. And most of the gorlopans who care about popular happiness under any slogans, even red, even green and blue, after coming to power, suddenly they themselves are not averse to driving expensive cars, living in palaces, sending their kids to study in London, and then giving them warm and bready place, and their wives suddenly turn out to be terribly talented entrepreneurs and earn billions. While the people will be uninitiated, politically inert and cowardly, it will be a herd of sheep, which will always be controlled by some goats .. it doesn’t matter whether they are white, gray or red.
                1. +2
                  5 January 2016 01: 03
                  “That the fifth column has betrayed the country again and a new Stalin is needed? And you are not embarrassed by the word AGAIN? Do you think that the fact that the country is once again stepping on the same rake is no longer an accident, but a pattern. most of the bawlers who care about the happiness of the people under any slogans, even red, even green and blue, after coming to power, suddenly themselves are not averse to driving expensive cars, living in palaces, sending their kids to study in London, and then giving them warm and a bread place, and their wives suddenly turn out to be terribly talented entrepreneurs and make billions. " -
                  Interesting set out! Is that all that is directly related to Stalin?
            3. 0
              4 January 2016 06: 18
              We saw this planned economy. And the happiness of peoples.
              There is a leader. The country is rising. Nobody said it was easy. And there are plenty of traitors who take advantage of today's difficulties, and try to pervert and ruin everything. Many of these were raised during times of acceleration. I trust our president, Putin.
            4. +6
              4 January 2016 15: 17
              Quote: GSH-18
              And no plan for the economy

              And what economy do you consider budget planning? Any state plans to develop its economy. The only difference is in the methods of influencing domestic production by the relevant regulators.
              Quote: GSH-18
              The Secretary General and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Independent States remain in their past ...... We have our modern, competent and decisive leader. I, as 90% of the population of the Russian Federation, believe him

              Don't you think there is some contradiction here? Strong power is a rigid pyramid. In the case of the USSR, the secretary general and the CPSU. In our case, you give their role to Putin and his party. What is the difference?
              Quote: GSH-18
              We saw everything that this "planned" management eventually led to - to the collapse of a great country

              Here you repeat the version of the liberals who are very interested in it, since it was they who actively participated in the collapse of the USSR and the looting of the country.
              No power system can be destroyed without external pressure. Any revolution, coup, changing the very system of power - is always the result of external intervention. Internal coups do not change the system. They use it and reanimate in case of weakening.
          3. -9
            4 January 2016 11: 19
            Stalin's "mixed structure" is the remnants of a private economy, which he did not manage to finish off after the official closure of the NEP project. Khrushchev only continued the work of Stalin and closed the private owner completely in full accordance with the behests of the leaders. If you have forgotten, let me remind you that the USSR was building communism, and communism and private ownership of the means of production are incompatible things.
            1. +3
              4 January 2016 13: 10
              ... everyone somehow forgets a simple and funny fact ... under Stalin, the withdrawal of money from circulation was seriously considered, the reasons for not luck are rather political .... the modern economy is quietly silent .... the conversation is about different economic and social systems .. .
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                4 January 2016 13: 21
                Quote: KIND
                under Stalin, the withdrawal of money from circulation was seriously considered, the reasons for not luck are rather political ....

                Of course. After all, everything was distributed by cards. And after their cancellation, the prices of goods were simply unlimited. They were even corrected several times, downward. The people could not afford.
                1. Alf
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                  4 January 2016 17: 39
                  Quote: anew
                  And after their cancellation, the prices of goods were simply unlimited.

                  Tales do not need to be told, not at a liberal get-together.
                  Prices were quite reasonable. My grandfather, working as a foreman in a foundry, received 900 rubles until the 61st year, while my grandmother sat at home raising three children. And nobody was starving, yes, they weren’t giggling, but they weren’t hungry.
                  Quote: anew
                  They were even corrected several times, downward.

                  Prices were reduced for the simple reason that labor productivity was growing. Labor productivity was growing, more and more goods were being produced, it became possible to lower the price of products, which led, firstly, to an improvement in demography, and, secondly, to an improvement in the quality of life.
                  American intelligence agencies were actively engaged in studying the growth rates of labor productivity in the USSR. In the recently published book in the USA, "Observation of the bear. CIA Analyst Essays on the Soviet Union "said that" the strengths of the Soviet system of centralized enterprise management seem to outweigh its weaknesses. " It is no coincidence that the United States by the mid-1950s. were afraid to give the USSR first place in the world economy. At that time, the system of economic calculation was still working, which made it possible to achieve success in industrialization, the Great Patriotic War, and post-war reconstruction.
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                    4 January 2016 18: 13
                    Quote: Alf
                    And nobody was starving, yes, they weren’t giggling, but they weren’t hungry.

                    What are you bragging about? That your grandfather’s children were not forced to eat neighbors? Is this a great achievement in itself? Can you brag about this already?
                    We look prod. basket for 1953, for example. This year it was 510 rubles per person per month. So, you say, 900 rubles for five a month? So you say you weren’t hungry? Oh well. Go on. You are doing well.
                    Quote: Alf
                    Labor productivity grew, more and more goods were produced, it became possible to lower the price of products, which led, firstly, to an improvement in demography, and, secondly, to an improvement in the quality of life.

                    You need to write fairy tales for children. For money. You are doing well. Especially about the ever-increasing productivity. And about the ever-growing quality of life.
                    The quality of life began to improve only under Brezhnev. When they established stable channels for the sale of hydrocarbons abroad. And the prices there were high. And before that, why all of a sudden? As for this, what manna from heaven fell on the USSR? Before that, there was nothing in the USSR. Some important communists and hunger. And their wild cries of an enemy capitalist environment. Like, you have to be patient. Tolerated, because impatient rafts in the Gulag.
                    1. +2
                      4 January 2016 18: 16
                      new
                      A lot of text, but essentially empty. You have edrosov, all through one place.
                    2. Alf
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                      4 January 2016 18: 19
                      Quote: anew
                      What are you bragging about? That your grandfather’s children were not forced to eat neighbors? Is this a great achievement in itself? Can you brag about this already?

                      You do not need to poke, I did not pass geese with you. Did your grandfather's neighbors' children eat? Storyteller. You should go to the Novodvorskaya for a couple in the department of Dr. Himmler.
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                        4 January 2016 18: 44
                        Quote: Alf
                        Did your grandfather's neighbors' children eat?

                        They didn’t eat neighbors; this was no longer in their time. And the bits of apples for the children of party functionaries were eating up, it was.
                        Quote: Alf
                        You should go to the Novodvorskaya for a couple in the department of Dr. Himmler.

                        You are completely "bad". You start talking.
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                      6 January 2016 19: 50
                      how did you get about hunger ... what region did you live in those years and what did you starve ???
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                        8 January 2016 00: 33
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        how did you get about hunger ... what region did you live in those years and what did you starve ???

                        Relax. And go to grandfather. Find out everything from him. If he already realized that it is possible to tell, he will tell. But he could not yet realize. Then he will tell the standard memorized Soviet agitation. Just in case.
        2. +11
          3 January 2016 22: 45
          I don’t know about pots, but grannies sold knitted socks, scarves, hats, mittens. Nobody planted them. They also quietly sold berries, fruits, vegetables from gardens. Under the current regime of grannies, policemen took away potatoes for trading potatoes.
          1. -7
            4 January 2016 00: 16
            Quote: twister
            I don’t know about pots, but grannies sold knitted socks, scarves, hats, mittens. Nobody planted them. They also quietly sold berries, fruits, vegetables from gardens. Under the current regime of grannies, policemen took away potatoes for trading potatoes.

            By the fact that order should be! But not a spontaneous bazaar on the main street. Nobody forbids them. Go to the market, pay for a place and trade quietly with potatoes, knitted socks, etc. request
        3. +3
          4 January 2016 06: 46
          In the EU, too, they don’t stroke the head for violating quotas ... I just hinted, or even suggested feel I don’t understand what I’ve put forward ..? laughing
        4. +3
          4 January 2016 18: 42
          Under Brezhnev, yes, but under Stalin, no. It was full of artels and cooperatives. My grandfather even had a record in labor that he worked in an artel of invalids. Khrushchev destroyed everything, but Brezhnev did not have the mind to revive.
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        3 January 2016 22: 16
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Such forecasts have recently appeared with enviable frequency ...


        Video with the opinion of "dissent" (chur - do not execute the messenger hi )

        1. +6
          4 January 2016 00: 33
          Quote: Ahmed
          Video with the opinion of "dissenting" (mind you - don't execute the messenger with cons hi)

          Magazine-provocateur does not understand (but we can understand, but mows it under a loan) that the process of redeeming US government bonds on their own accumulated pieces of paper is a protective measure. Resetting an unreliable currency to its owner in exchange for government bonds. If something happens with dollars, then you can demand interest payments, for example, in gold. We returned their paper to them, and bought their bonds not for our gold. This is a normal process. So now everyone is doing. And this bitch provokes people using ignorance of global financial mechanisms! am
          1. +5
            4 January 2016 09: 02
            Quote: GSH-18
            We returned their paper to them, and bought their bonds not for our gold. This is a normal process.

            Yes! How everything is running! For their pieces of paper we gave the goods (raw materials, grain ..) Could buy from them for these pieces of paper (machines, technologies ..) But we will return them by exchanging some pieces of paper for others (even without a percentage rate of 0%) they say buy on we have something else (we support the Fed and the dollar)
            Quote: GSH-18
            And this bitch provokes people using ignorance of global financial mechanisms!

            And here you are mistaken. We know the mechanisms, but in whose interests this mechanism does not work. As a result, the problems of the US economy are becoming big problems for countries using the dollar as a payment instrument. The conclusion is to sell your product for rubles, and then our ruble will turn into the same product as the dollar! All countries buying Russian goods are FORCED to buy Russian rubles on the MICEX for their currencies. hi
            1. +1
              4 January 2016 15: 34
              Quote: fif21
              Conclusion - sell your product for rubles

              The USSR traded in some goods for rubles. The problem was that he had to redeem the surplus rubles not secured by trade deals and located in Western banks for gold. Not very efficient for trading. In order to trade for rubles in the current world economy, it is necessary to introduce the ruble into the "basket" of world currencies. This is still very far away.
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                4 January 2016 19: 05
                Quote: Stranger
                The problem was that he had to redeem the surplus of rubles that were not secured by commercial transactions and held in Western banks for gold.

                What for? Something the Fed does not buy dollars for gold! And why FORCED and by whom or what FORCED ????
              2. 0
                4 January 2016 20: 31
                Quote: Stranger
                The problem was that he had to redeem the surplus of rubles that were not secured by commercial transactions and held in Western banks for gold.
                There is no problem now! Extra rubles have appeared - sell them on the MICEX currency exchange, we need rubles-buy on the MICEX! Money is the same commodity, and how it does not reach. request
                1. +1
                  5 January 2016 01: 43
                  Quote: fif21
                  Quote: Stranger
                  The problem was that he had to redeem the surplus of rubles that were not secured by commercial transactions and held in Western banks for gold.
                  There is no problem now! Extra rubles have appeared - sell them on the MICEX currency exchange, we need rubles-buy on the MICEX! Money is the same commodity, and how it does not reach. request

                  Money is PRODUCT ??? Strange, but I, naive, thought that money is the EQUIVALENT of GOODS!))))
                  1. +1
                    5 January 2016 07: 53
                    Quote: bovig
                    I, naive, believed that money is the EQUIVALENT of GOODS!))))
                    Money from one country can be bought with money from another, and given the fluctuations in the exchange rate, you can make a profit. Is the dollar the equivalent of a product? That's what the whole HSE joke teaches - money is the equivalent of a product, and the dollar has long been torn from the economy and turned into a product, that is, for the whole world there are some rules, but for mattresses there are different ?!
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                      6 January 2016 19: 11
                      Quote: fif21
                      Quote: bovig
                      I, naive, believed that money is the EQUIVALENT of GOODS!))))
                      Money from one country can be bought with money from another, and given the fluctuations in the exchange rate, you can make a profit. Is the dollar the equivalent of a product? That's what the whole HSE joke teaches - money is the equivalent of a product, and the dollar has long been torn from the economy and turned into a product, that is, for the whole world there are some rules, but for mattresses there are different ?!

                      This is pure fraud!)) Why in its pure form? But because legalized!))
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              5 January 2016 01: 36
              Quote: fif21
              Quote: GSH-18
              We returned their paper to them, and bought their bonds not for our gold. This is a normal process.

              Yes! How everything is running! For their pieces of paper we gave the goods (raw materials, grain ..) Could buy from them for these pieces of paper (machines, technologies ..) But we will return them by exchanging some pieces of paper for others (even without a percentage rate of 0%) they say buy on we have something else (we support the Fed and the dollar)
              Quote: GSH-18
              And this bitch provokes people using ignorance of global financial mechanisms!

              And here you are mistaken. We know the mechanisms, but in whose interests this mechanism does not work. As a result, the problems of the US economy are becoming big problems for countries using the dollar as a payment instrument. The conclusion is to sell your product for rubles, and then our ruble will turn into the same product as the dollar! All countries buying Russian goods are FORCED to buy Russian rubles on the MICEX for their currencies. hi

              The US financial system managed by the Fed has existed for more than a hundred years. The entire world economy is working on this system. In the dashing nineties we felt in our own skin what results a breakdown of the financial system with the subsequent destruction of the economy leads to ... It was within the framework of one country, but what will happen like this all over the world? Who will feel better?)))))
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                5 January 2016 08: 16
                Quote: bovig
                The entire world economy is working on this system.
                Continue to work further on this system, I do not often meet a slave defending the interests of his master. Ah yes amerikosy! You say that the economy of the Russian Federation works in the interests of the United States - this is true. It is also true that great shocks await Russia.
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                  6 January 2016 19: 26
                  Quote: fif21
                  Quote: bovig
                  The entire world economy is working on this system.
                  Continue to work further on this system, I do not often meet a slave defending the interests of his master. Ah yes amerikosy! You say that the economy of the Russian Federation works in the interests of the United States - this is true. It is also true that great shocks await Russia.

                  The US is its own slave system! Simply, if you are poorly informed in this area, then your conclusions do not sound very reasonable ... As an experiment, the collapse or swoop down the whole structure of the USSR to see how it will look ... Now the next step is the global economy and financial system. .. Yes, Russia is still waiting for great shocks (and when they were not in Russia?), But not only Russia ... The whole world will shake and shake is not childish! Only for Russia it became familiar ... So - do not worry, we will survive!)))
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      7. +1
        3 January 2016 22: 26
        So maybe the author is not a liberal at all, but under the turbine, he just sees the planned economy?
      8. +4
        3 January 2016 22: 46
        Rumors are circulating on the Internet that they are going to revive Kudrin, and not a planned economy.
        1. +1
          4 January 2016 09: 15
          Quote: Dyagilev
          there are rumors that they are going to revive Kudrin
          Kudrin is a good financier, and if he works in the interests of the Russian Federation and the ruble, then I am for it. But this cannot be expected from him, Kudrin will do everything in the interests of the "world economy" that is, in the interests of the United States. Kudrin, Kasyanov, Chubais ... have done so many things and have earned such "fame" in the Russian Federation that I don't even want to write. Well, there is no second Stolypin in Russia! No. hi
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      9. +11
        3 January 2016 23: 04
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalin's capitalism smile). Let the liberal patriot ritzmorgen (the author of the article) rush about in search of some kind of "turbine" for the "market" economy, but everything has already been invented before us and has shown itself well. At least better than classical capitalism.
        - You can agree with you, but only in the case of strategic and basic industries. That is, the oil, metal, energy generating industries, and all enterprises in this industry should be in state ownership and work according to plan. Profit should not be of interest to these industries at all, it should not make sense to export any of the products of these industries - this is the export of raw materials, we have already passed, we still cannot get rid of it. Therefore, enterprises in these sectors should operate strictly on a planned basis, they should have only two headaches - how to implement the plan and how to fulfill any separate order of the Government.
        For the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, I believe that now, as it is, this is optimal. These are state-owned enterprises, at the same time they are interested in profit, exports of military-industrial complex products should be in good shape to compete with foreign manufacturers in order to keep abreast of trends in the field of armaments and for earning currency. I would here, in the field of work on the principle of the work of defense industry enterprises, add machine tools (after measures to revive it).
        Multistructure, but with the support of the government should be in agriculture.
        In other sectors, there is multi-structure and resolution of private initiative. In the sense, the leading enterprises in each industry must again be in state ownership and on a planned basis, at the same time they are forced to compete with an enterprise of a different form of ownership.
        I don’t want to choke in a line for sausage, I don’t want to stomp into a store for bread five blocks away - because in the USSR, stores were located for a few thousand people, which means that it’s not close at all. The same goes for hairdressers - you end up in line for many hours. Let me remind you that when enterprises are not interested in profits, they can, on the instructions of the government, develop a mobile communication system (Altai, for example), that is, fulfill a plan or a separate instruction from the government, and IGNORE demand from the population, who would not mind installing this Altai "in your" kopeck "," Moskvich "or in" Volga-24 "to pay for it your hard-earned, honestly earned. Let me remind you that this is what happened in the USSR. The USSR was the first to develop a mobile communication system (read Zimin's memoirs), but now liberals reproach us in disputes just like this: "aha, said the scoop, using the amerskoy phone" Motorola2 ". There are options - using the American computer, the Internet, etc. The most offensive - in all of the above, the USSR did not lag behind, but simply secret it as a strategic development, believing that the people do not need all this for nothing. And here is the question - do you like it when they determine for you what you need and what not? When they suddenly decide, that your boss "Altai" is supposed to, and you somehow run around with a kopeck piece on non-working machines - you will trample? another novelty or not needed. So how we continue to live - to argue for a long time. My proposals are also very controversial.
        1. +6
          3 January 2016 23: 31
          So it’s like that, of course I don’t feel like it, again in the USSR the beginning of the 80's.
          But, under I.V. To Stalin, it always struck me that it was like the Soviet collective farmers who managed to build their own money, planes or tanks? Do we all know what economy was then, and especially what it would be if not for the Second World War?
          1. MrK
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            4 January 2016 00: 22
            Quote: avva2012
            Do we all know what economy was then, and especially what it would be if not for the Second World War?


            Read Katasonov - "The Stalinist Economy" and Kurlyandchik "The Cursed Soviet Power" ... they all described with figures and facts.
        2. +4
          4 January 2016 02: 57
          Aksakal! It seems to be right. But! Some tried to cut the window, while others opened the iron curtain. The window was cut through, the curtain was lifted. So what? Are our partners very fond of us? They tried to ruin us in the 14th and in the 41st. In the 90s succeeded. Mobile network and Internet, greatly break the foundations of the state? Or is it a stick? In the USA it’s a good use (self-made). The USSR did not understand this. The USSR went through two wars. US not one. The rise of the economy of Europe and Japan is a counterweight to the USSR. The USSR was gone and economies began to be strangled. Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya is the result of strangulation. But in Iraq or Libya today there is an Internet and foreign cars! Is it good or bad?
        3. +2
          4 January 2016 09: 27
          "Do you like it when they decide for you what you need and what not? When they suddenly decide that Altai is supposed to be for your boss, and you somehow run around with a kopeck piece on non-working machines - will you trample? ... I will go to a society where I myself could decide whether I need this or that novelty or not. " Where was it different? Communication, the Internet - all these are military developments, and they were not immediately put into civilian circulation. Confusing and substituting concepts.
      10. +11
        3 January 2016 23: 26
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism).

        The way out for Russia is to build a society of common sense. Without capitalism, socialism and other "-isms".
        The same insanity, both scribbling consumer goods at state-owned enterprises, and sculpt rockets in private shops.
        The market component cannot be ignored either. The "invisible hand of the market" is good at fumbling in our pockets, but at the same time, it is a good self-regulator where it is foolish to regulate by planned methods.
        1. +7
          3 January 2016 23: 32
          Quote: Gorynovich
          The same insanity, both scribbling consumer goods at state-owned enterprises, and sculpt rockets in private shops.
          - well said! good Although one private shop managed (sorry, not ours!) Managed to mold a rocket with a return first stage sad Note - a private shop.
          1. +3
            3 January 2016 23: 46
            Quote: aksakal
            Although one private shop managed (sorry, not ours!) Managed to dazzle a rocket with a return first stage Note - a private shop.

            There is such a thing. But...
            Any noticeable breakthroughs at the national level are realized within the framework of planning and an authoritarian management system - examples of darkness. It is enough to recall the US withdrawal from the Great Depression, industrialization in the USSR, South Korea, Singapore or China itself.
            A private shop is always more efficient where it is necessary to do it quickly, beautifully, at the lowest cost and without regard to long-term state interests - a medical fact.
            And when you need to sculpt something costly, strategically necessary and with a long payback period, the toad will strangle a private owner. With rare exceptions.
            The example with the "return" is rather the enthusiasm of private fans to enjoy themselves.
            1. new
              +1
              4 January 2016 00: 02
              Quote: Gorynovich
              Any significant breakthroughs at the national level are implemented as part of the planning and authoritarian management system.

              Yes? What about the fact that any forced labor is inefficient? And any authoritarianism is just unproductive labor. It is one thing when there are millions of low-productivity individuals. In total, the result will still be obtained. And when are they gone? How to be such states?
              Quote: Gorynovich
              A private shop is always more efficient where it is necessary to do it quickly, beautifully, at the lowest cost and without regard to long-term state interests - a medical fact.

              That's it, you have an understanding of private capital at the level of a small shop. You absolutely do not understand the role and place of private capital in modern society.
              Quote: Gorynovich
              The example with the "return" is rather the enthusiasm of private fans to enjoy themselves.

              "Vozvratalki" is a phenomenally successful and profitable business project. Judging by the cost figures, in the near future all commercial space launches will be theirs. Here is one example of how free private capital works.
              1. +3
                4 January 2016 00: 54
                Quote: anew
                Yes? What about the fact that any forced labor is inefficient? And any authoritarianism is just unproductive labor.

                Tell it to the spirits of F.D. Roosevelt, Beria with his sharashka and atomic project, or Lee Kuan Yu.
                Quote: anew
                That's it, you have an understanding of private capital at the level of a small shop.

                Not at all. Profile education (even liberal wink ) prevents thinking in terms of a small shop.
                Quote: anew
                You absolutely do not understand the role and place of private capital in modern society.

                By. I understand myself adequately.
                Private capital is an effective driver of the progressive development of the economy in non-turbulent conditions. And an even more effective tool for redistributing surplus value. By the way, it is far from always in favor of more reasonable, responsible and patriotic members of society.
                In breakthrough areas and at critical moments, this very private capital should not be a self-sufficient quantity, but only one of the instruments in a strict state bridle.
                1. new
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                  4 January 2016 01: 20
                  Quote: Gorynovich
                  Tell it to the spirits of Beria with its rams and atomic design

                  And what, there was mainly high-productivity labor? No, there is no doubt, a couple of people worked very productively. And far from free. But the rest was not concerned.
                  Quote: Gorynovich
                  Profile education (even a liberal liberal wink) makes it difficult to think in terms of a small shop.

                  It can be seen. What is it, your "liberal profile education".
                  Quote: Gorynovich
                  it is an effective driver of the progressive development of the economy in non-turbulent conditions.

                  This is precisely the main task of the state administration in a bourgeois state is to create these non-turbulent conditions.
                  Quote: Gorynovich
                  In breakthrough areas and at critical moments, this very private capital should not be a self-sufficient quantity, but only one of the instruments in a strict state bridle.

                  Well, okay. The effect of "liberal profile education" is being felt.
                  Who is this "state"? What kind of creature is this mythical and terribly clever? Is this a seven-headed eight * th?
                  No, this is your former neighbor Vasya. Which, just like you, wants to eat and drink sweetly. And the sweeter the better. Why did you suddenly decide that this same Vasya not will he manage his money better than your other businessman neighbor Petya? Why do you think Petya needs to take his own earned money, not all, but the more, the better, and give it to Vasya? And he will manage them wisely. Are you sure wisely? Why is Vasya with a spoon better for you than Petya with a bipod?
                  The doctrine of how to take away and divide everything is called Marxism-Leninism. Its adherents (sectarians) firmly believe that if everything from everyone, up to the day off trousers, is taken away and given to the mythical "state" (that is, divided between the hierarchs of the pseudo-religion of Marskism-Leninism), then the kingdom of heaven will come on earth. In their language it is called communism. Do not be like them. Fanaticism has robbed them of their sanity.
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                    4 January 2016 06: 45
                    Quote: anew
                    No, this is your former neighbor Vasya. Which, just like you, wants to eat and drink sweetly. And the sweeter the better. Why did you suddenly decide that this same Vasya will not manage his money better than your other businessman-neighbor Petya yours? Why do you think Petya needs to take his own earned money, not all, but the more, the better, and give it to Vasya? And he will manage them wisely. Are you sure wisely? Why is Vasya with a spoon better for you than Petya with a bipod?

                    Specific example. In our city, businessman Petya has successfully integrated himself into the bus transportation business. Finished his minibuses to emergency condition, sold them. Managed to become a deputy. He sold a transportation tender for his follower with dead cars. Behind all these perturbations, the state-owned ATP enterprise successfully bent. And last year (since the cars are old and constantly breaking down), the traffic schedule was not respected. And someone wants to say that private traders work better? No shit. All that interests them is income. No wonder 15 people are crammed into a small car for 17-25 seats. And then you need to go.
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                      4 January 2016 12: 20
                      Quote: EvgNik
                      Behind all these perturbations, the state-owned ATP enterprise successfully bent.

                      In this story, the most interesting thing is why the ATP was bent, according to your story, it should be an effective enterprise with new buses and following the schedule, as their finished cars squeezed poorly serving passengers from the market?
                      Some kind of paradox.
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                        4 January 2016 18: 42
                        What paradox is there? All such businessmen of Petit are the proteges of the mayor or governor, or simply put where they should, so as not to let competitors. Therefore, it makes sense for them to carry people in new minibuses and follow the schedule if people are already hawking. Moreover, now the price of transport is a political issue, if you raise it a little, the electorate is starting to resent. So they ride people on the old junk, so that the people keep quiet and the mayor falls into his pocket.
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                    4 January 2016 07: 58
                    Quote: anew
                    And what, there was mainly high-productivity labor? No, there is no doubt, a couple of people worked very productively. And far from free. But the rest was not concerned.

                    In the so-called. "sharashkah" and other "forced KB"?
                    Do not tell my sneakers))) Nuclear, rocket, air, artillery, energy, tank and other projects were drawn by no means on a "couple of three" of the well-fed. There the account went completely to other orders.
                    Did not know until now? Google to help you)
                    Quote: anew
                    It can be seen. What is it, your "liberal profile education".

                    Quote: anew
                    Well, okay. The effect of "liberal profile education" is being felt.

                    MIU (GUU) named after S. Ordzhonikidze. Much more liberal - at that time, consider it an analogue of the current HSE.
                    By the way, I consider Academician P.G. Bunich, the primary liberal, if that) to be my teacher on the economic mechanism
                    A year ago, in 1985, the teacher of the political economy of socialism, I remember, squealed from the department that I was an anti-Soviet, which I reasonably asked her not to slander, because I'm just an anti-communist)
                    So my views, as they were, remain quite liberal, but without the admixture of liberalism and without blinders before our eyes.
                    Quote: anew
                    Who is this "state"? What kind of creature is this mythical and terribly clever?

                    Why twist? It's not even mythical at all, and not always terribly clever. Sometimes, even idiotic, thoroughly corrupt, vile and treacherous, if you mean by the concept of "state" exclusively the personalities of officials, the system and management practice.
                    You don’t have to go far for an example - look back at the Yeltsin RF.
                    Quote: anew
                    The doctrine of how to take away and divide everything is called Marxism-Leninism. Its adherents (sectarians) firmly believe that if everything from everyone, up to the day off trousers, is taken away and given to the mythical "state" (that is, divided between the hierarchs of the pseudo-religion of Marskism-Leninism), then the kingdom of heaven will come on earth. In their language it is called communism. Do not be like them. Fanaticism has robbed them of their sanity.

                    I have not heard much stupidity for a long time. To call a Marxist-Leninist a man who sincerely considers Lenin most effective the enemy of Russia in all its centuries-old history ...)))
                    Sur.
                    And on the account of the rest: do not engage in sophistry wink Moreover, it doesn’t work out very well.
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                    4 January 2016 09: 37
                    The doctrine of how to take everything away and share is called banditry. Marxism-Leninism is about exploitation, exploited, and exploiting. And all
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                      8 January 2016 00: 38
                      Quote: Iskander69
                      Marxism-Leninism is about exploitation, exploited, and exploiting.

                      About the exploitation of Marxism. And Marxism-Leninism is just about taking away and dividing among its own. Those. the "old Bolsheviks".
                      Quote: Iskander69
                      The doctrine of how to take everything away and share is called banditry.

                      Well, whatever you want, so call Marxism-Leninism.
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                    4 January 2016 09: 48
                    Quote: anew
                    Who is this "state"? What kind of creature is this mythical and terribly clever? Is this a seven-headed eight * th?

                    - in fact, the state is a coercive apparatus. I clarify here - speaking of state property, we mean public ownership of the means of production. And by the way, what would you know, only this mythical, terribly smart and seven-headed one is capable of supporting fundamental science, only it is capable of supporting long-term and capital-intensive R&D until a victorious result, only it is able to distribute the result of labor in society relatively fairly, because only to him this very obtained result (income, profit) DOES NOT LIKE - his other chips are interested in the end. You know and often hear - yes, the private trader, due to enthusiasm and lightness, will start unbelievably something terribly interesting (in the field of R&D, technology, or something else), but stumbled upon the fact that the victory will be not easy and quick, it starts to yell that there is only state support - otherwise nothing. And this is the TRUTH, in many cases only the state and is able to master the necessary. So really calm down, repeating what you have been zombified all these years. Especially the Americans tried laughing Who have the best orders for a private trader? The state. Darpa at whose expense does it exist? In the 2007-2008 crisis, what measures were used to extinguish the fire? Are they the very ones that they advise others, or are they completely "soviet" methods?
                    Yes, and by the way, the fact that a private shop managed to make a breakthrough in the return of the first stage does not mean at all that in the future it will not need help from the state. And it will be given to this shop from the one whom you perplexingly call the seven-headed eight of something there.

                    And the most important thing. The Russian military-industrial complex, which consists mainly of state-owned enterprises, consumes almost 15 times less Amer’s military-industrial complex, consisting of private traders! And the results of research and development and in general the results of the military industrial complex do not differ 15 times. There are time delays, a 5th generation aircraft was later developed, our maximum size chip is bigger ... It doesn’t pull at a critical lag, it doesn’t even pull at a lag 1,5 times. So, 1,2 times. And taking into account the fact that in some sectors (tank building, air defense systems), we managed to make breakthroughs and move forward, we can say - in general, there is no lag! But the budget is less than 15 times! This is the difference between public and private shops.
                    DO NOT SURE!
                2. +10
                  4 January 2016 03: 28
                  ??? Private capital is an effective driver of the progressive development of the economy! Well, and how has this mover strengthened the Russian economy since the 90s? Do we grow 300% a year? We have such construction, well, such construction that there are already not enough posts for posting job advertisements !? We already work for 4 hours? Is it just that we have enough time to live well? 5 days a week for 4 hours a day! Here we have the achievements! And all this thanks to private business! Thank you enlightened! And we didn’t know !!!
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                    8 January 2016 00: 46
                    Quote: Region 34
                    Active capital is an effective driver of the progressive development of the economy! Well, and how has this mover strengthened the Russian economy since the 90s?

                    If you don’t understand the difference between economic categories, don’t worry. Private capital is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the emergence and development of bourgeois (capitalist) society.
                    Quote: Region 34
                    And all this thanks to private business! Thank you enlightened! And we didn’t know !!!

                    Yes, there are many things you don't know. You call shopkeepers "private business". And shopkeepers, they even exist in a slave society. And even more so in the feudal.
                    Learn the basics of economics, you are our exposer. And then convict that which is not.
            2. +5
              4 January 2016 06: 23
              Question: What shisha did they create this rocket? Everything rests on shishy.
          2. +5
            4 January 2016 00: 09
            Quote: aksakal
            Quote: Gorynovich
            The same insanity, both scribbling consumer goods at state-owned enterprises, and sculpt rockets in private shops.
            - well said! good Although one private shop managed (sorry, not ours!) Managed to mold a rocket with a return first stage sad Note - a private shop.

            ue
            The history of SpaceX would not be a success story if it were not for the unprecedented support of the US authorities - as large as if the state itself was the owner of the company. To $ 200–250 million from the creators at the stage of the company’s formation (2002–2006), the authorities added another $ 500–700 million, representing assistance as payment for future Falcon rocket flights.

            http://slon.ru/business/spacex_gazprom_po_amerikanski-1044958.xhtml
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            4 January 2016 00: 47
            Quote: aksakal
            Although one private shop managed (sorry, not ours!) Managed to dazzle a rocket with a return first stage Note - a private shop.
            Note on government money through NASA.
            All relish in how to present everything.
          4. +4
            4 January 2016 05: 20
            Quote: aksakal
            Quote: Gorynovich
            The same insanity, both scribbling consumer goods at state-owned enterprises, and sculpt rockets in private shops.
            - well said! good Although one private shop managed (sorry, not ours!) Managed to mold a rocket with a return first stage sad Note - a private shop.


            You especially about NASA's private shop people do not deceive. The office for which the vice president is responsible? How interesting is it to have formed start-up capital, where do all private traders start? The Western world, planted on a dollar, stubbornly and persistently invested real goods and gold in paper, and the proceeds thus obtained were allowed into NASA's development?

            In private, space flights were carried out by the heroes of science fiction writers and the most truthful person in the world, Baron Munchausen, though at the core ... laughing
      11. +4
        4 January 2016 00: 24
        And for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalin's capitalism smile). Let the liberal patriot ritzmorgen (the author of the article) rush about in search of some kind of "turbine" for the "market" economy, but everything has already been invented before us and has shown itself well. At least better than classical capitalism.

        Capitalism is initially a failed system, as it implies a kind of controlled economic chaos, to regulate market relations when cap. the system is very difficult, it requires a huge number of different regulatory bodies, which gives rise to a powerful corruption system where absolutely everything is possible for bribes. The only normal system of the economy is "planned" where the state rigidly regulates everything, from the level of wages, to the prices of everything and everyone, of course, this should be done by specialists, and not party workers, as it was before. Otherwise - a wild market where everyone sets the rules for himself. The mess it was in the 90s, and even now not everything is settled down.
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          4 January 2016 03: 36
          The fact that capitalism is a failed system became clear back in the 30s. The growth rate of the Union was higher than the rate of capitalism. If capitalism scolds socialism today, then socialism is much more effective!
          1. +4
            4 January 2016 09: 29
            Quote: Region 34
            If capitalism scolds socialism today, then socialism is much more effective!
            And an example of this is China! They left the party "chatting", discipline, punitive system and allowed private property and the country flourished. And what flourished in the RF-Corruption, banditry, theft. The economy is a raw material appendage of the West and the East, and who is to be thanked for?
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              4 January 2016 11: 48
              Quote: fif21
              And an example of this is China!

              In fact, socialism in China does not even smell in the bushes. China is in the initial phase of an ordinary bourgeois society. Authoritarian. Democracy will come later, much later. Before it, people still need to be cherished.
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            4 January 2016 11: 42
            Quote: Region 34
            Union growth rates were higher than capitalism

            How do you feel? Why did he develop so actively that he reached coupons for cereals and sugar? And before the "tobacco riots"?
          4. +1
            4 January 2016 12: 30
            Quote: Region 34
            The growth rate of the Union was higher than the rate of capitalism. If capitalism scolds socialism today, then socialism is much more effective!

            Developing, socialism eventually evolved into capitalism (the wild market), as happened in the history of the USSR.
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              4 January 2016 12: 56
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              socialism eventually evolved into capitalism (wild market)

              Yes? In which country? And when did the revolution happen? After all, the transition of their stage of pseudo-religious feudalism (i.e., from so-called socialism) to capitalism (from one OEF to another) is impossible without revolution.
              But the transformation of pseudo-religious feudalism (socialism) into wild feudalism (let's call it pseudo-liberal) is quite possible without a revolution. Enough coup in power.
        2. +6
          4 January 2016 18: 51
          Quote: sergeybulkin
          Capitalism is initially a failed system, as it implies a kind of controlled economic chaos, to regulate market relations when cap. the system is very difficult, it requires a huge number of different regulatory bodies, which gives rise to a powerful corruption system where absolutely everything is possible for bribes. The only normal system of the economy is "planned" where the state rigidly regulates everything, from the level of wages, to the prices of everything and everything, of course, this should be done by specialists, and not party workers, as it was before. Otherwise - a wild market where everyone sets the rules for himself. A mess like it was in the 90s, and even now not everything is settled down




          If we were forced to talk about capitalism in the 90s, then it would still be possible to believe by not knowing ... But after boiling in this mess for 25 years, some conclusions still come to mind ... The motto of capitalism is "Who can whom , he is eating that! ". Capitalism in Russia is a" gloomy river "on the scale of the state. calmly plant, because he is a THIEF!
          The next step of Russian capitalism is oligarch-feudalism.
          Sooner or later, capitalism will lead the country to war, because war is the highest level of profitability and profitability ... And the more money a capitalist has, the easier it is to cross morality.
      12. +10
        4 January 2016 00: 36
        The metaphor about the "Western capitalist heart" is clearly not chosen well. The heart has been gone for a long time. A much more successful comparison is the capitalist stomach, or more precisely, the capitalistic intestine. Then everything described in the article is easily described as a violation of peristalsis, which occurred as a result of the periodic alternation of taking laxatives and fixing agents! laughing
      13. +2
        4 January 2016 00: 53
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        If the Americans both times emerged from global confusion as the main beneficiaries, then why not try a third?


        Because in the days of WWII and WWII there were no ballistic missiles. And now - hell they sit in the ocean! am
        1. +2
          4 January 2016 03: 39
          Just do not grind about nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles! All this was in the USSR. But the USSR was gone. And nuclear weapons didn't help at all! How to explain this? Can you
          1. +3
            4 January 2016 07: 08
            Missiles and nuclear weapons will not help from traitors "above"
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            5 January 2016 07: 57
            We believed that in our country the revolution finally defeated the counter-revolution in the first quarter of the 20th century. We took up the revolutionary transformations of the economy, education, science, culture. We discovered socialism in Europe. And almost all of it was destroyed. Does this mean that our revolution was worthless?

            IN AND. Lenin: Every revolution is only worth something if it can defend itself



            More details: http://comstol.info/2011/11/politika/2637


            Curious selection
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              5 January 2016 10: 53
              Quote: Just BB
              Curious selection

              Well yes. Burry liar Ulyanov.
              He is a revolutionary. He slept through the revolution in Russia in Europe. But he managed to make a counter-revolutionary restoration coup in January 1918. Those. the Bolsheviks are not revolutionaries at all, but precisely counter-revolutionaries.
              In the USSR, everything was like that. Black was called white and vice versa. Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors. It existed until they were allowed to say the obvious, i.e. that the king is naked.
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                5 January 2016 17: 55
                The way you express yourself does not honor you, on the contrary shows your ... bad manners ... (it will be "softer")
                O. Bismarck also said that geniuses are preparing a revolution, making fanatics, and crooks are using its results.


                And what and how it was in the USSR .... hi "I already commanded a regiment at that time" - said my friend
        2. +1
          4 January 2016 09: 38
          Quote: Weyland
          And now - hell they sit in the ocean!
          They sit quietly, only the Near and Middle East, Ukraine, Russia, Europe are so sausage that "Mommy do not cry." And they will not go into direct conflict! What for? When there is Turkey, IS, Ukraine, Georgia, Afghanistan ... these will die for the prosperity of Uncle Sam Yes
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            4 January 2016 20: 09
            Quote: fif21
            Ukraine, Russia, Europe are so sausage that "Mama do not cry." And they will not go into direct conflict! What for? When there is Turkey, IS, Ukraine, Georgia, Afghanistan ... these will die for the prosperity of Uncle Sam
            However, voices are already heard from Omerigi that Europa sat up and it was time for her to fight ... for the good ...
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        4 January 2016 01: 42
        With America, everything is a little simple. Now the FSA will suck money out of all their "allies" and "partners", due to this sucking they will hold on. And then another world turmoil, which, in principle, they are doing. Remember how many times this year we were on the verge of another madness on the part of Obama, if not for the willful decision of our President.

        I apologize for the comparison, but in the 90s so much money if someone owed to the creditor, then survived someone one of this couple, or the debtor or creditor.
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          4 January 2016 03: 42
          There is another way. Ruin the neighbors and give them a loan. Recipe checked repeatedly. Iraq and Ukraine will be eternal debtors!
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        4 January 2016 05: 40
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism

        This is the turbine that the author writes about.
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        4 January 2016 07: 10
        The described market mechanism we went through in school. New - loans with negative interest rates. If such lending begins, then one can only guess about the consequences (chaos, poverty, crime ...)
      18. 0
        4 January 2016 08: 15
        What happened once - may not happen again, what happened twice - happen again in the third.
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        4 January 2016 08: 33
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Let the liberal patriot ritzmorgen (the author of the article) rush about in search of a "turbine" for the "market" economy, but everything has already been invented before us and has shown itself well. At least better than classical capitalism.

        And this is True, and it takes care of the heart of our enemy. It is a pity that the president and the government do not listen to you and remain faithful to the predatory mode of production. There will never be peace between labor and capital.
      20. +2
        4 January 2016 09: 30
        this is the case when wishful thinking is given out. And it’s time for us to think hard and talk less and do more. Otherwise, we’ll fly away like that shop.
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        4 January 2016 16: 40
        well, or at least partially planned economy. In vitally important areas for the country - a planned economy, and for consumer consumption - a market economy. Otherwise, there will again be either a shortage or disgusting things.
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        5 January 2016 11: 13
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism).

        No need to attribute to Stalin what he did not create. Stalin did not create state capitalism. I.V. Stalin was well aware that capitalism, in any form, was a way back, and even more so state capitalism, essentially super-monopolized capitalism. More V.I. Lenin noted in his economic studies the features of monopolies leading to stagnation and decay.
        Under Stalin, a multi-layered, planned-market economy was created in which the basic industries and infrastructure belonged to the state. At the same time, in industry and agriculture, in the service sector and in science, there were non-state enterprises and artisanal production, focused primarily on satisfying the consumer demand of the population and focusing on market demand. Such non-state enterprises were sometimes involved in fulfilling government orders, but always on the basis of the commercial interest of enterprises.
        State capitalism "invented" N. S. Khrushchev. Having made all sectors of the economy state-owned, he achieved a total shortage of consumer goods and services, a shortage of food products. By and large, it was state-monopoly capitalism and the nomenclature's monopoly on power that led to the collapse of the USSR.
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          5 January 2016 11: 39
          Quote: Nick
          Under Stalin, a multifaceted planned market economy was created.

          Your arguments in the field of economics resemble the delirium of the mechanic-intellectual V.Polesov in the field of technology.
          Do not want to be laughed at you, do not write nonsense. He saw capitalism somewhere in Russia. He is still gone, but what then can be said about the times of the Bolsheviks?
          And as for nonsense about "Stalinist mixed structure in the economy", this is in no way at all. Just a blatant, brazen and cynical lie.
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      3 January 2016 21: 39
      Yes, did we go through all this in capitalist Russia, one hyperinflation according to IMF prescriptions, what did it cost in the early 90s and is this a recipe? Better kill right away.
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        3 January 2016 22: 38
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, we went through all this in capitalist Russia, one hyperinflation according to IMF prescriptions, what was it worth at the beginning of the 90's and is this a recipe?Better kill right away.

        But they didn’t succeed and kill us. We will still live and spit on the Fed’s grave ...

        Unless there is again a leader, if I may say so, who will once again launch five hundred American "instructors" into the Kremlin to finish off the country at their orders. I hope that this will not be found ... For my life, there will be enough GDP, and then I will tell my grandson - another EBN - take a machine gun in your hands. Anyone, if only not the same as EBN, at any cost ...
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          3 January 2016 23: 02
          And what do Medvedev do for us? We ourselves with a mustache, and without any foreign consultants, will ruin the economy until everything works out perfectly.
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            4 January 2016 03: 45
            And what about Medvedev? Medvedev is a bad cop, and Putin is a good cop? And then who is their boss?
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      3 January 2016 21: 49
      felling the United States is not beneficial to anyone. Everyone understands that you can’t live like that, but you don’t do it, everyone suffers and supports the dollar.
      Unfortunately, there is no other system that would poorly self-organize poorly ..
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      3 January 2016 21: 54
      economists will be able to come up with a similar "turbine" for the planetary financial system

      Hmm, actually, once in the Soviet Union there was already such a "turbine", so they broke it, instead of what would improve. Well, it is too early to bury the star-striped apple merchants, they are robbing vassals now.
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      3 January 2016 21: 55
      Quote: poquello
      Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years, and the world is racking its brains how to get out


      I’m happy to eat an apple on the economic ruins of the United States (although it will fall to us), just for 15 years they promise that now, literally this year ....
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        3 January 2016 22: 21
        Quote: arane
        Quote: poquello
        Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years, and the world is racking its brains how to get out


        I’m happy to eat an apple on the economic ruins of the United States (although it will fall to us), just for 15 years they promise that now, literally this year ....

        But back to the forecasts of Mark O'Byrne. He argues that Putin is preparing for a “perfect economic storm” that arose several years ago in the bowels of the Fed. “Russia sees the yellow metal as a factor in state stability,” writes GoldCore research director. “Putin considers gold bullion to be a 100% guarantee against legal and political risks in the new conditions ... And the Chinese comrades informed the Russian leader about it in their ears.”

        http://cassad.net/politika/geopolitika/22811-kitay-i-rossiya-udaryat-po-dollaru-
        zolotom.html
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          3 January 2016 22: 43
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: arane
          Quote: poquello
          Well, yes, I read that the United States has remained a couple of years, and the world is racking its brains how to get out


          I’m happy to eat an apple on the economic ruins of the United States (although it will fall to us), just for 15 years they promise that now, literally this year ....

          But back to the forecasts of Mark O'Byrne. He argues that Putin is preparing for a “perfect economic storm” that arose several years ago in the bowels of the Fed. “Russia sees the yellow metal as a factor in state stability,” writes GoldCore research director. “Putin considers gold bullion to be a 100% guarantee against legal and political risks in the new conditions ... And the Chinese comrades informed the Russian leader about it in their ears.”

          http://cassad.net/politika/geopolitika/22811-kitay-i-rossiya-udaryat-po-dollaru-

          zolotom.html


          I read it. And not only Russia, but also China is massively buying up gold. Waiting for .....
          There is one surefire way for the United States to get away from economic collapse - this is the third world war, in which they, as always, will remain on the sidelines.
          Will they go for it - yes it’s not even a question!
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            3 January 2016 23: 41
            maybe cats practice
            Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Adele al-Jubair announced the termination of diplomatic relations between the kingdom and Iran, Reuters reported on Sunday.

            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160103/1354107146.html#ixzz3wDS9riTu
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            3 January 2016 23: 57
            Quote: arane
            There is one surefire way for the United States to get away from economic collapse - this is the third world war, in which they, as always, will remain on the sidelines.
            Will they go for it

            IMHO, not sure. It was about 75 - 100 years ago to get them behind a puddle, but now, if they start a global mess, someone can accidentally drop a felt boot on the remote control, well, or spill it wassat. It is one thing when they alone on a ball could turn a strange house into a radioactive ashes, but only now they can multiply them by themselves for such tricks. A puddle is no longer a defense.
            PS I base my opinion on the fact that the 3rd WORLD will not do without "yadrenbaton". hi
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              4 January 2016 03: 52
              We got already a long loaf! Ukraine and without a kernel disabled, the Middle East, too. The USSR was the first victim without a core.
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        3 January 2016 23: 18
        Quote: arane
        I’m happy to eat an apple on the economic ruins of the United States (although it will fall to us), I’ve just been promised for about 15 years that this year, literally this year ..

        We send 150-170 lard raccoons to these economic apples over the hill annually, and this is only according to official data.
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        3 January 2016 23: 29
        Quote: arane
        I’m happy to eat an apple on the economic ruins of the United States (although it will fall to us), just for 15 years they promise that now, literally this year ....
        - you have more faith in these nonsense. This agony can last a long time, or it can take place instantly - here no one can accurately predict. According to Khazin, grants to the States should have arrived at the beginning of R. Reagan's term, but Reagan came up with, or rather, experts from his administration came up with a method of stimulating consumption of the population through the distribution of consumer loans accessible to everyone. Now they can come up with something again, well, introduce POPS (negative interest rate policy) and prolong the agony for many more years. But the trouble is, we are interfering here. We just need cheap money, and here in the west negative rates! Yes, Western bankers will deeply spit on all sanctions, the prohibitions of their governments and by hook or by crook will try to lend to us - we will consider heaven and mana five and even 7% per annum (plus, not negative!)! For comparison - you know, how much thanks to Nabuillina now loans for Russian enterprises? And let me remind you - for how many percent there is no such crime that the business would not go to? That is, the West, in order to support itself, will go into negative interest rates, and thanks to this we will tear in the economy! So the question is - is it not because the West wants to wreak havoc so that there simply aren’t any systems that can profit from these difficulties of the West?
        For me - let them introduce their own POPs or let the rates increase in order to restart the heart - in any case we will be in positive territory. Indeed, when rates rise, the ruin of many Western enterprises is inevitable, incl. and those who have occupied long-deserved niches in international markets. For example, the Superjet cannot break through to the world market, the future MC-21 will also have difficulty in promoting on world markets - everything there is crammed with sloppy Bombardiers and others (even if the VAF claims that these are good manufacturers, for me they suck, good only to break them and throw them into the dustbin of history) "Brazilians"! If the rates rise, the ruin of Western enterprises and the liberation of the niches we need is possible.
        In short, we sit on the priest exactly - in any situation, we will win. But it’s better not to sit, but to actively prepare for the adoption of these advantages.
    6. +6
      3 January 2016 22: 22
      And I read about 8 years ago that the United States (read - to the dollar) is a couple of years away, and I continue this crap like a naive read. Rather, forced. And the dollar for 3 years from 28 rubles to 74 jumped - almost 3 times. Our economy depreciated just as much in the eyes of Western businessmen. The author simplified everything to the point of impossibility, once again trying to convince us all that black is white ...
    7. +1
      3 January 2016 22: 26
      I also read the year so in 2008-2009
    8. +1
      3 January 2016 22: 40
      The author of what nonsense? Harosh people fool their heads !!
    9. -12
      3 January 2016 23: 58
      For all "specialists" who bury the United States with enviable consistency. As far back as I can remember - fifty years.
      Russia began to modernize the army. Let's compare. From 1980 to 1989, the United States increased the military budget from 4,2% to 7% of GDP to $ 8,85 trillion. The USSR responded with the usual "asymmetry": in order to somehow maintain the parity of military forces, the USSR was forced to increase the military budget from 22% to 27% of GDP to $ 2,67 trillion. The sad results of these arms races are well known to all.

      Nevertheless, in Soviet times, the economic potential of the USSR amounted to 60% of the US GDP, and now - to Russia - a little more than 10%. In military terms, in terms of defense spending, NATO and the Russian Federation differ by more than 10 times ($ 823 against 60,4 billion), and in conventional weapons, according to experts from the Academy of Military Sciences, Russia's potential relates to the potential of the NATO bloc much more than 10: 1.

      The United States accounts for 23% of world GDP, the United States allocates 2/5 of all world military world expenditures for military needs, in the military-technical and technological fields they are 15-20 years ahead. Although the defense budgets of European countries combined are significantly smaller than the US defense budget, after Crimea and Novorossiya most of the Central European and Baltic countries have increased their military budgets and launched programs to modernize their armed forces.

      The ratio of the military potential of NATO and Russia is now many times worse than it was at the end of 1989.
      NATO and the United States have more than 3,3 million soldiers. 4,3 times more than Russia. A big advantage in aircraft - more than 20 thousand against 3429 Russian. The fleet is not even worth comparing: 1734 NATO ships against 305 under the flag of Russia (atomic submarines - 93 against 53). Military bases abroad - 150 against 6 Russian (data 2013-2015).

      The sources from which I took the above figures are the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Vedomosti, No. 3688 of 03.10.2014, NATO report "Defense spending in 2014 and cost estimates for 2105" and Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

      The ratio of the military potential of the NATO bloc and Russia is now many times worse than it was at the end of 1989, not to mention the depleted crisis industrial, technological and scientific resources of today's Russia.

      The most interesting thing is different: in one of Boeing’s divisions, on the Pentagon’s order (CHAMP project or The Counter-Electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project), a megaraket with high-voltage microwaves was created, which is capable of instantly hitting (burning) the electronically directed systems control and communications, radars, detection systems, aircraft electronic equipment, etc. We can say that this is the most humane weapon, because it will allow to defeat the enemy without human casualties and destruction. It destroys only the electronic equipment of a potential enemy. This is the question of who wins in the modern world: backward armies or advanced technologies, inaccessible to aggressors with medieval consciousness.
      I will try to clarify this idea. When, with an obsolete and unprofessional army, dominated by weapons of the last century and bullying reigns, trying to "wipe the nose" of the whole world, it looks like a military-political cheating from the outside, and the time of scammers and throws like Hitler irretrievably passed.
      1. +5
        4 January 2016 01: 26
        Quote: robbihood
        Let's compare. From 1980 to 1989, the United States increased the military budget from 4,2% to 7% of GDP to $ 8,85 trillion. The USSR responded with the usual "asymmetry": in order to somehow maintain the parity of military forces, the USSR was forced to increase the military budget from 22% to 27% of GDP to $ 2,67 trillion.

        Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...
        Defense spending in the USSR for 1989 20,2 billion rubles. or 2,4% of GDP
        (1990) 70,9 7,5

        For comparison, the US defense spending in 90 amounted to $ 310 billion, or 5,4% of GDP

        Mr. Garin, probably, was breaking into a glimpse into Soviet statistics, well, or in poor assessments ...

        Hmm, even Echo Matzah didn’t think of such insanity ...
        1. -1
          4 January 2016 01: 58
          Are you pretending to be a hose? 2%? Well, well ..... even the newspaper "Pravda" did not think of this before.
          All expenses were hidden in different articles. and you know that. Although, maybe I'm thinking too much about your knowledge.
          1. +7
            4 January 2016 04: 08
            Quote: robbihood
            Are you pretending to be a hose? 2%? Well, well ..... even the newspaper "Pravda" did not think of this before.

            The newspaper Pravda never printed such data, if Che.
            So, let's proceed to the execution.
            In 1976, the CIA, a specialist in assessing the military expenditures of the USSR, created Team B. Having worked fruitfully, this unit issued its verdict: the military spending of the USSR is 12-13% of the GNP.
            And then begins the circus tent.
            In his report at the Princeton Conference, the CIA Director J. Tenet acknowledges, in particular, that “each and every National Intelligence Assessment (NRA), prepared from 1974 to 1986, gave overestimated forecasts of the pace and scale of modernization of Moscow’s strategic forces.”
            Richard Pearl, the former US Under Secretary of Defense for International Security, wrote: “It remains a mystery why such a huge mistake was made and why it became chronic. We may not know the truth. ”
            This is to ensure that users have access to the real numbers of the defense budget after 91 years.
            Those. even 12% is a "huge mistake".
            Thus, sales "sworn partners" refute what you have given.
            Quote: robbihood
            All expenses were hidden in different articles. and you know that. Although, maybe I'm thinking too much about your knowledge.
            Hide expenses in other articles?
            What for?
            And from whom?
            Our opponents did not have access to figures, which forced them to create "expert commissions".

            And what I know - you never dreamed of.
            I will share a piece of knowledge, revealing to you a terrible secret.
            In view of the complete and unconditional planning of the economy, it was almost impossible to transfer expenses from one pocket to another.
            If IL-76 is purchased for the needs of the Army, then it is paid for it from the pocket of the Ministry of Defense, and if for civilian needs, then from the pocket of Aeroflot. And no other way.

            I wrote "almost" because one way still existed, but damn it, what an ambush, this way worked in the other direction.
            A classic example: the involvement of military personnel (mainly "partisans") in the harvesting work. The equipment was purchased by the Ministry of Defense, the operation is also at the expense of the Ministry of Defense, and the result went to the civil sector. In addition, after the harvest, the equipment partially killed by the "partisans" was transferred to the balance of civil structures free of charge.

            Well, a digression.
            There were no trillions in the 80s, not the same scale of prices.
      2. +3
        4 January 2016 02: 57
        Quote: robbihood
        ...
        not to mention the exhausted crisis industrial, technological and scientific resources of today's Russia.
        ...

        we give in,
        Macaque’s Russian economy was torn to pieces, the army of dill was smashed, only one problem - ett we don’t bury, ett some kind of Mark O'Byrne slanders on the Fed, maybe you will expose his crap
        http://cassad.net/politika/geopolitika/22811-kitay-i-rossiya-udaryat-po-dollaru-

        zolotom.html
        pysy: the Pentagon has learned to do this without a rocket?
      3. +4
        4 January 2016 11: 42
        "Gorgeous" pin! First, you compare NAT and the USA with the USSR. Then NAT and the USA with Russia. Then you start spitting everything with slogans:
        Quote: robbihood
        not to mention the exhausted crisis industrial, technological and scientific resources of today's Russia.

        Then move on to the prodigy intimidation:
        Quote: robbihood
        created a megaret

        Next, lay out the portable stand, again blaming Russia for the remaining, aggression and other things:
        Quote: robbihood
        This is the question of who wins in the modern world: backward armies or advanced technologies, inaccessible to aggressors with medieval consciousness.

        Then again teach us, "poor":
        Quote: robbihood
        I will try to clarify this idea.

        Based not on facts, but on the methods of the Ifo war - "Lei more dirt!"
        Quote: robbihood
        When with an obsolete and unprofessional army, in which the weapons of the last century dominate and hazing reigns,
        Next, go on to the stamps again:
        Quote: robbihood
        trying to "wipe the nose" around the world
        Denying the real state of things.
        Quote: robbihood
        then it looks like a military-political cheating

        These are your problems, how it looks on your part. You are not trying to come in, examine and delve into it. You have a different task. To deflect. To think harder. To simulate thinking more accurately.
        Quote: robbihood
        and the time of scammers and scammers like Hitler has irrevocably gone.

        Come on !? The closest one is PetsYa. A student of a dark-skinned "master", with a name in honor of a temporary residential building.
        1. cap
          +2
          4 January 2016 12: 59
          [qe = Gordey.]uotThis is your problem, how it looks on your part. You are not trying to come in, examine and delve into it. You have a different task. To deflect. Think wrong. Rather, imitate thinking.
          Quote: robbihood
          and the time of scammers and scammers like Hitler has irrevocably gone.

          Gordey"Oh well!? The closest one is PetsYa. A student of a dark-skinned" master ", with a name in honor of a temporary residential building. Who, himself a representative of the arrogant, also threw cheaters. Why are you modestly keeping silent about them? Eh!? Or is there another problem?"


          Hitler with modern scammers was not standing nearby.
          Current scammers speak English fluently, have two or even three
          citizenship, decent money in convertible currency, and paid speechwriters to justify their theft.
          Even the military people of the enemy (on the VO website) are trying to confuse.
          It turns out somehow very cheap hi .
          PS "Eh!? Or is it another task?"
    10. +1
      4 January 2016 05: 43
      Do not worry, they will still survive us, because they will rot for a long time !!!
    11. +3
      4 January 2016 06: 41
      Come on, a couple of years ... They've already prepared a "transatlantic trade agreement". Half the world will work for them and everything will be fine with them. And I am sure that they have prepared a dozen more projects for overcoming crises at someone else's expense. One hundred years ahead ...
    12. +2
      4 January 2016 11: 07
      Only, they live these couple of years including at the expense of us!
      And some people also call for close cooperation with the "partner".
      Well, no, she died, so she died!
      Let's bury it sooner, perhaps !?
      Until it stank the whole world ...
    13. +1
      4 January 2016 19: 42
      They need a war to preserve their dominance, so they are trying to drag us into the war. And the author’s reasoning is correct, but secondary. The West NEVER had a fair economy, only a thieves.
  2. +11
    3 January 2016 21: 42
    In my opinion, rotting capitalism, led by Washington, will still rot for a long time. The US Federal Reserve will not give up financial power so easily.
    1. +3
      3 January 2016 21: 52
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, decaying capitalism will long rot.

      He spent a long time making supplies. Therefore, it will hold out for a while. Unless someone of their "subjects" kicks up and accelerates the fall.
    2. +1
      3 January 2016 22: 36
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, rotting capitalism, led by Washington, will still rot for a long time. The US Federal Reserve will not give up financial power so easily.

      xs sadness write
      It’s all about the Fed’s bankruptcy balance sheet, which, during the Obama presidency, was inflated at the expense of various low-liquid securities by 5 times and reached $ 4,5 trillion. It is important to bring here one eloquent detail. In 2007, in response to the first signs of an internal debt crisis, the Fed tried to work within a civilized framework, attracting loans from foreign central banks in the form of currency swap agreements. But the Americans quickly abandoned this practice, according to which the whole world lives. The borrowed money was paid off at the expense of a printing press, which was then turned off. Currency expert Adam Hamilton of Gold-Eagle described this time as follows: “Since the end of 2008, the growth in the money supply of the United States has been epicly unprecedented. The Fed Challenges Belief in the Dollar. ”



      The Obama administration had great hope for a sharp leap in the American economy, the dividends of which, according to the logic of the White House, were supposed to cover unsecured dollars. However, this was not destined to come true. Over the past 7 years, US GDP has grown from $ 14291 to $ 17460 billion in 2014 (or to $ 15441 billion in 2007 prices), by about 19%, or 8%, adjusted for inflation. Thus, zero interest rates and astronomical dollar injections of the Federal Reserve in the amount of $ 3700 billion provided an increase in real gross product of only $ 1150 billion.



      The picture would be incomplete without a remark about the middle class, whose well-being is the main indicator of the American economy. The Pew Research Center analytical center on December 9, 2015 made disappointing conclusions: the share of households that correspond to the category of “middle peasants” in 2014 amounted to only 43%. This is 19% less than before the mortgage crisis. The structure of the middle class has also worsened. The number of those bordering on poverty has increased from 16 to 20%. These results are from a new statistical study based on data provided by the US Census Bureau. The class of wealthy Americans would have narrowed even more if not for the seven-year quantitative easing of the Fed.

      http://cassad.net/politika/geopolitika/22811-kitay-i-rossiya-udaryat-po-dollaru-
      zolotom.html
    3. MrK
      +3
      4 January 2016 00: 32
      Quote: avvg
      The US Federal Reserve will not give up financial power so easily.


      All right. Oh, after all, as in the West they argue - While the rich lose weight, the beggar will die
  3. +6
    3 January 2016 21: 42
    Makarenko is a thinking person. I always read it with interest.
  4. +2
    3 January 2016 21: 45
    which is shale? now for sale (it’s not in vain that the black-headed ushana allowed) the igilov’s (almost free) will be driven under the guise of shale
    1. +11
      3 January 2016 22: 42
      Quote: iza top
      which is shale? now for sale (it’s not in vain that the black-headed ushana allowed) the igilov’s (almost free) will be driven under the guise of shale

      America for the sake of oil, not only with ISIS, damn it ... All this has already happened ...
      1. +3
        4 January 2016 00: 03
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        America for the sake of oil, not only with ISIS, damn it ... All this has already happened ...

        And who would doubt it.
  5. +7
    3 January 2016 21: 45
    "Who knows, maybe after the end of the global crisis, into which we are now rapidly plunging, economists will be able to come up with a similar" turbine "for the planetary financial system? I believe that our technologies are already advanced enough to replace the" invisible hand of the market "A more modern and efficient mechanism."

    Such a mechanism has long been proposed by economists, soberly analyzing the development of society! This is the path of the economy of socialist development, not covered by the ideological cliches of various parties and Western economists, inventing various attractive models of capitalism, paid for by their customers! tongue
  6. +15
    3 January 2016 21: 45
    Lord, maybe there’s enough talk about decaying capitalism, huh? I’ve heard it rotting and decaying for 42 years, it doesn’t rot at all. Maybe it’s time to do real business, and not dream about how rotting capitalism. And, speaking of rotting capitalism, we themselves have long since switched to capitalism, appeared like mushrooms after the rain billionaire-oligarchs-monopolists who in no way understand how they made their fortune.

    P.S., as soon as there’s nothing to write, they immediately remember about capitalism, which rots and rots
    1. +7
      3 January 2016 22: 02
      Quote: lonely
      Lord, maybe there’s enough talk about decaying capitalism, huh?

      All right, New Year's all the same, let's talk about the fun.
      According to Peck, Durka yearned for impossibility. Do you want to laugh?
      Recall that today Petro Poroshenko posted on the Internet the cover of the special issue of the authoritative journal The Economist for 2017. It shows the Ukrainian president among world leaders.

      However, it quickly became clear that on the present cover of the magazine for 2016 Poroshenko did not find a place. In fact, in the front row depicted Vladimir Putin.
      The fake cover caused a storm of jokes and malicious comments. A few hours after publication, the Ukrainian president’s Twitter post was deleted.

      Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1590501/?fb#ixzz3wD0OK8gz

      Here is a disgrace, nowhere else to go. This boar took up photoshop. Instead of Putin, he decided to squeeze his face. I am under the table.
      1. +5
        3 January 2016 22: 51
        Quote: novobranets
        Here is a disgrace, nowhere else to go. This boar took up photoshop. Instead of Putin, he decided to squeeze his face. I am under the table.

        What can I say? Boo-ha-ha ....

        The next step is to take photos of Pig to the "Trinity" by A. Rublyov ...
    2. +1
      4 January 2016 08: 43
      Quote: lonely
      .Maybe it's time to do real things, and not dream about how rotting capitalism

      Exactly! Maybe it's time to take care of your cow, and not dream, when your neighbor will die?
  7. +3
    3 January 2016 21: 48
    Cardiac arrest of Western capitalism (((((

    Meanwhile in Russia...
    1. -2
      3 January 2016 22: 20
      Quote: YohanPalych
      Meanwhile in Russia...


      1. +4
        4 January 2016 07: 28
        And what is this goat in a red shirt? Well done what, he chose the most, from his point of view, the most delicious for the past year, the most dear to his heart, baa alshuy work carried out, gnida. And now he is broadcasting about it with such a happy purr that you involuntarily start looking for a striped flag behind his back. With great pleasure I would have charged him with a nickle so that there would have been more spray of the holidays.angry
  8. P81
    +4
    3 January 2016 21: 49
    Depend on the dollar - sad !!! (
  9. +7
    3 January 2016 21: 52
    The author's original view of what is happening. But not contradictory! Any company can "galvanize" a loan percentage close to zero for a long time. And plus to this all sorts of IPOs, when the enterprise costs not so much as its production and manufactured products actually cost, but how much its shares cost! And what about futures on non-existent assets? For the same oil. Now the only limiting factor is the opinion of credit organizations that provide you with a loan at a certain percentage. And the lower the cost of money for these credit institutions, the lower its risks, and the weaker the financial discipline.
  10. -5
    3 January 2016 21: 58
    At least the United States had a very successful year, but it does not care about the rest of the world. It is the right and smart policy.
  11. +3
    3 January 2016 21: 59
    The example of shops selling apples is not correct. If the author assumes that shopkeepers (evil capitalists) purchase apples from farmers (workers) as needed, then when demand and sales prices fall below the level of profitability, shopkeepers simply stop buying apples and trade at a loss and bankruptcy does not happen, the apples will rot. farmers, or those will have to cut prices. If we assume that the shopkeepers IMMEDIATELY bought all the apples from the farmers, then with the bankruptcy of one of the shops, the apple supply will not decrease, because bankruptcy legal procedure does not physically destroy apples. Moreover, this interpretation leads to the fact that the supply of apples becomes a constant value, in no way dependent on prevailing prices. In practice, such examples of the interaction of supply and demand under the influence of prices are correctly cited not as shopkeepers, but as producers. Then yes, that’s about how it works. But the author really wanted to show that it was the evil capitalist shopkeepers who were to blame for all the crises, that he had to forget about logic.
  12. new
    +6
    3 January 2016 22: 08
    It's cool, of course, about the apple merchants. Who, in order to pay off loans, buy apples for a dollar, and sell them for 80 cents. This is even cooler than the "fatty eggs" from the famous anecdote.
    In fact, it is not traders but manufacturers that get into the "situation". Traders just do not make large stocks, no need. Therefore, it is easy to start selling firewood instead of apples. Or diamonds. Or just wait it out if firewood and diamonds, like apples, suddenly go badly.
    So it’s better to redo the story of the merchants to the story of gardeners. It will be closer to reality.
    hedge funds specializing in problem loans are dying now, like flies under jets of dichlorvos:

    So they have such a fate. These are highly profitable, but also, as a result, high-risk offices. Today is, but not tomorrow. Why mention them?
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  14. +4
    3 January 2016 22: 19
    According to the statements of the leadership of the Russian Federation, our economy is integrated into global bourgeoisie, and in this connection it is not clear why the author did not schedule us to stop this heart failure. It is thought that our resuscitators-reformers will not allow the death of a Western partner.
  15. +4
    3 January 2016 22: 27
    The problems are not with the West, but in Russia, it is our economy that is struck by gangrene. That's what economists should think about, and not shed tears all over the West.
  16. +3
    3 January 2016 22: 29
    To date, already gained a lot of new technologies in the energy sector. So for 1 kg. hydrogen (its heat capacity is 3 liters of high-octane gasoline) is spent $ 1. Moreover, hydrogen production can be organized practically anywhere and without the cost of its production of petroleum products. That is real - less than the cost of oil, no need to drill wells, no need to transport through half the world, no need to do catalytic cracking of oil. Moreover, a very large shopkeeper in the field of oil production - the company TOTAL is already building hydrogen gas stations in Europe. (Type in a search engine - a green object at the airport of Berlin).
    So the smart shopkeeper - will not go broke, but will master a new product that is in demand.
    1. +3
      3 January 2016 23: 14
      Great, but believe in fairy tales. How are you going to produce this hydrogen? I know one industrial method - electrolysis, i.e. decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen by electric current. But this is an energy-intensive reaction, which means large-scale hydrogen production will require the same increase in electricity production. And we produce it, including from oil and gas. Those. to replace hydrogen in gasoline engines, the same oil will have to be sent to produce additional electricity. As they say, the same I ... tsa, only in profile.
      1. -1
        3 January 2016 23: 44
        05.06.2014
        The first hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle was powered by the Green Hydrogen Hub at the multifunctional gas station at the Berlin-Brandenburg Airport under construction. Willy Brandt. Hydrogen for refueling the hub produces directly on the spot, using electrolysis, wind and solar energy.
        In addition to refueling hydrogen transport and generating gas by electrolysis, the H2BER project involves the operation of a combined heat and power station and the supply of hydrogen to a public gas distribution network, which forms a single energy transportation system. Commercial partners, including Total Deutschland, Linde, McPhy Energy, Enertrag and 2G Energy, intend to invest more than 2016 million euros in the project by 10, the German government - 5 million.
        “After seven years of research and development, the application for the transport sector has been expanded for everyday use and the technology market is ready for it,” said Katherina Reiche, parliamentary secretary of the Federal Ministry of Transport and Digital Infrastructure, at the opening of the facility. “The issue of bringing this technology to the market, which we will support through the necessary measures, is currently being addressed.”
        More than 50 cars and buses in Berlin are already fueled by hydrogen as part of the Clean Energy Partnership between industry and the Federal Ministry of Transport.

        Well, as for me personally, I not only believe in fairy tales, I also bring them closer to reality, having 2 patents for a fuel cell - the main element of a hydrogen engine. Patent numbers lead? or believe it?
        1. +3
          4 January 2016 00: 30
          "Well, as for me personally, I not only believe in fairy tales, I also bring them closer to reality, having 2 patents for a fuel cell - the main element of a hydrogen engine."
          Then I really made a mistake. You do not believe in fairy tales, you tell them yourself. Hydrogen is a good thing, and this is certainly the technology of the future, I wrote about this about 25 years ago at the Chemistry Olympiad, but until the problem of obtaining cheap electricity is solved, it will remain a fairy tale. Windmills and other energy sources of non-traditional orientation do not count. They can not yet provide the necessary economic parameters due to their capital intensity.
          1. +2
            4 January 2016 20: 45
            Today on ONT plot shown. As in Germany, cars run hydrogen. At a cost no higher than the cost of oil fuel. As for the cheapest hydrogen production, these are hydroelectric power stations - well, so that the turbines would not spin idle. Such projects are already working in Norway. There, a tidal hydroelectric power station with fuel cells was combined - when there is an excess of electricity, then hydrogen is produced, when - a deficiency, then the fuel cell blocks are turned on. Efficiency - about 90%.
            By the way, all modern submarines and space stations are equipped with hydrogen fuel cells.
            As for Russia, about the projects of tidal hydrogen power plants can be read here.
            http://pozitivchik.info/2012/06/o-samoj-moshhnoj-elektrostancii-v-mire/
            http://ekologhealth.ru/energy-of-the-planet/toplivo-i-energiya/581-istochnik-ene
            rgii-zapasaemyy-v-vodorode.html
            1. Alf
              0
              4 January 2016 21: 07
              Quote: Pilot bin-bom
              There, a tidal hydroelectric power station with fuel cells was combined - when there is an excess of electricity, then hydrogen is produced, when - a deficiency, then the fuel cell blocks are turned on. Efficiency - about 90%.

              And the cost of this energy? Doesn’t lose in comparison with thermal power plants or nuclear power plants?
      2. +2
        4 January 2016 00: 43
        Steam reforming. From natural gas. Electricity costs are an order of magnitude less. (Not the topic of cheap hydrogen, the topic of technology.)
      3. 0
        4 January 2016 16: 56
        Quote: Nikolai K
        But this is an energy-intensive reaction, which means large-scale hydrogen production will require the same increase in electricity production. And we produce it, including from oil and gas.

        I remember there was such a discus about the solar power industry, and with all our skepticism in the West, they began to cheapen this technology and very successfully
      4. 0
        4 January 2016 17: 05
        It is not necessary to receive electricity by burning oil, gas or coal. There are solar stations, wind, tidal, hydro, etc. .
        1. Alf
          +1
          4 January 2016 17: 49
          Quote: Saratoga833
          There are solar stations, wind, tidal,

          It is still expensive, and indeed not in all areas of the country.
          Quote: Saratoga833
          hydro power plants

          Environmentally very bad. You just need to apply everything in moderation, looking around and weighing all the pros and cons.
        2. 0
          4 January 2016 21: 09
          Today on ONT plot shown. As in Germany, cars run hydrogen. At a cost no higher than the cost of oil fuel. As for the cheapest hydrogen production, these are hydroelectric power plants. Such projects are already working in Norway. There, a tidal hydroelectric power station with fuel cells was combined - when there is an excess of electricity, then hydrogen is produced, when - a deficiency, then the fuel cell blocks are turned on. Efficiency - about 90%.
          By the way, all modern submarines and space stations are equipped with hydrogen fuel cells.
          As for Russia, about the projects of tidal hydrogen power plants can be read here.
          http://pozitivchik.info/2012/06/o-samoj-moshhnoj-elektrostancii-v-mire/
          http://ekologhealth.ru/energy-of-the-planet/toplivo-i-energiya/581-istochnik-ene
          rgii-zapasaemyy-v-vodorode.html
  17. -9
    3 January 2016 22: 29
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    But for Russia there is only one way out - to revive the planned economy and socialist forms of management (or, as some now call it, state Stalinist capitalism

    Then you should immediately buy a small printing house - print coupons. What is a planned economy? With an oak tree, sorry, collapsed? I recommend visiting Sev. Korea - cool off from this thought.
    1. +1
      4 January 2016 07: 07
      I recommend visiting Sev. Korea - cool off from this thought.

      I recommend reading the materials and understanding what a planned economy is in its original sense, and not what you observed in the 80s, and in the movie "Service Roma".
      1. +3
        4 January 2016 08: 44
        It makes no sense to read about the original meaning of the planned economy. The era is not the same. An efficient balanced planned-market economy is the economy of Switzerland, Germany and the United States. The balance lies precisely in the good combination and complementarity of the "planned" and "market" economy.
  18. 0
    3 January 2016 22: 34
    It would not be very bad if events developed, as the author of the article predicts! Thank you for encouraging *)
  19. 0
    3 January 2016 22: 38
    Why are we again going to socialism?
    1. -3
      3 January 2016 22: 54
      Why are we again going to socialism?

      Yes, it seems they never started.
      In the USSR there was a general tribal system laughing
      with a "socialized" leader in the mausoleum.
      Yes, even capitalism really can not build.
      Out of corruption, a new deity has been created.
      Russia is a country of contrasts. Vani-gogi.
      1. -3
        3 January 2016 23: 57
        Why is it a common tribal system? Rather late feudal, just in 1917 the elites changed. Under the king, who was considered the governor of God on earth, the land seemed to be from God, that is, the sovereign, and the noblemen's confidants of the king and other landowners, on which the peasants bent their backs, disposed of it. Under Soviet rule, the land also seemed to be public, only the new proteges of the tsar-general secretary, elected by the new elite, in the person of local party bodies, disposed of it, and the peasants continued to work not for themselves, but for their "uncle", only now in red revolutionary trousers. Also, the workers, as they used to live on wages, and having become "owners" of plants and factories continued to live on wages, and all profits and other benefits were distributed by the party nomenclature - the new Soviet elite.
        1. -1
          4 January 2016 00: 24
          Nikolay K
          Why a tribal system?
          Well, because everything was done and "spoken out" with the knowledge of the leaders. The mention of the theory of the teachings was simply outrageous. Attributes, etc. Soviet people spent too much time on outright ideological crap.
          Harvest, always in the struggle \ in social competitions, not with oneself for profit. And with the district / region. External struggle laughing
          Thanks to the leader Brezhnev laughing somewhat normalized the process.
          More likely late feudal, just in 1917 elites were replaced. Under the king, who was considered the vicegerent of God on earth, the earth was kind of like God, i.e. the sovereign, and the trustees of the noble king disposed of it

          Nicholas by 1917 the nobles no longer had all the fullness of power. "Communication" of a person with the monarch was very formal, once a week to church. Yes, a hymn.
          Freedom over the edge. Do you want to go to the hills on the Volga (high salary, well, or for a penny on your own piece of land). The choice was, although very complicated by corruption.
          So no. Not late feudal.
          The country was rapidly developing. And the merchant's word? Could there be a "WORD" in feudal society? Not from a feudal lord?
  20. +1
    3 January 2016 22: 41
    US Presidential Election 2016 VS Apple Spas 2016 Russia. I propose on August 19, 2016 to bite off the Antonovka and wish the United States Angelina Jolie as president)
  21. +5
    3 January 2016 22: 55
    The author correctly describes how low interest rates allow the manufacturer to survive the crisis. On the one hand, it really does inflate the market with bubbles and prevents the market from self-cleaning from weak and ineffective players. On the other hand, it REALLY helps the economy in times of crisis. Take American shale oil producers for example. Now, with low oil prices, many of them are operationally unprofitable, but low interest rates allow them to exist for a long time in WAITING for high oil prices to return. And if expectations are fulfilled, then everyone will benefit from this move: manufacturers will cover the previously incurred losses and make a profit, banks will also return with a profit, albeit not very large, previously issued loans, and the state as a whole will preserve existing production facilities and jobs. Yes, if EXPECTATIONS are not realized, there is an option that instead of an ordinary crisis, a global economic collapse may occur. But we have been waiting for him for a very long time, but he still does not happen, because now the states are a world debtor, and if a collapse happens, it will have a global scale. But what I would like to draw your attention to is that in our country the brilliant economist Medvedev does not reduce during the crisis, but rather increases interest rates. And instead of the effect of mitigating the crisis, such a financial policy, on the contrary, comes to toughening the influence of crisis phenomena on the manufacturer. And one can guess whether the American shale oil producers will live or not live to see the return of high oil prices, but the fact that many of our producers will not bear such interest rates is unambiguous. Why does our government do this, is it really from a "big mind"? Hardly. Rather, the point is that the preservation and development of production is not a priority for our government. And what then, you ask. Judging by the actual actions, it seems likely that the income of bankers and other owners of financial capital will be preserved and increased. Well, why not, people hawala.
    1. +3
      4 January 2016 17: 13
      Quote: Nikolai K
      In our country, the brilliant economist Medvedev does not reduce the crisis, but, on the contrary, raises interest rates.

      It was high time this "economist" was expelled from the government without the right of return, forever! And V.V. Putin, too, has long ago stopped nepotism and nepotism in the government!
      1. 0
        4 January 2016 20: 04
        Eka you swung at the sacred, at nepotism and nepotism. Maybe you will also order to forget about friends and the cooperative "Lake"? wink

        And the point is if people and Medvedev are quite happy.
  22. +3
    3 January 2016 22: 57
    A short game, this is a film, was released not so long ago, which showed how much everyone does not care when it comes to huge money. Behind the puddle, everything is so bad that Ferguson is just a childish prank.
  23. +1
    3 January 2016 22: 58
    So far, it was only about apples - it seems understandable, then utter nonsense ... The American economy has been buried 3 times in our media over the past 500 years ... But ... while our rub is on fire .. and all the main indicators of American business activity are in good plus, at least mackduck, at least doujons .... and we all jerk off apples ... :)
  24. +2
    3 January 2016 23: 25
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Americans both times emerged from global confusion as the main beneficiaries, why not try a third?

    The first two times there was no nuclear weapon, now it is in the event of war with conventional weapons, the losing side will certainly use it, and this is the collapse of the whole world.
  25. +7
    3 January 2016 23: 25
    Capitalism is a blatant absurdity, when one person with completely different intellect and morality (mainly with its absence) has the opportunity to accumulate a huge amount of resource and influence the course of society at its discretion. In our society, in most cases this resource is used to get an even larger resource to the detriment of the rest of the economy.
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      -1
      4 January 2016 00: 12
      Quote: Dyagilev
      when one person with a completely different intellect and morality (mainly with its absence) has the opportunity to accumulate a huge amount of resource

      If you accumulate, then not with different, but with a high level of intelligence. With a low level of intelligence, well, you never know, suddenly a drunken conception can only inherit. Or win the lottery.
      Quote: Dyagilev
      and influence the course of society at its discretion.

      What is it like? Bribe voters? What if they don’t bribe? And if they bribe, then who is to blame?
      Quote: Dyagilev
      In our society, in most cases this resource is used to get an even larger resource to the detriment of the rest of the economy.

      I will not discuss this. Just to make it clear, just in case, our society is not capitalist. Therefore, it cannot serve as an example of "bad capitalism."
    2. -6
      4 January 2016 00: 36
      Of course, wealth in the wrong hands is a blatant absurdity, we must take it and share it. And then pick up from those to whom they gave and again divided. And so on, until no wealth at all remains. This will be fair and high moral. Long live the return to the primitive communal system with free education and medicine!
  26. 0
    3 January 2016 23: 55
    What smart people gathered here know how to raise the economy of the country (which is not the smallest in the world) and what needs to be done, most of them themselves have not gone beyond bold theories and beautiful dreams.
    If Putin and the ministers are such enemies of Russia, and do not know what to want with the economy, and want to ruin the industry, then why they will not do easier, open the borders with Ukraine and European goods will quickly crush domestic producers?
    And the fact that the majority here writes about the planned economy is wrecking and sabotage. For example: can you imagine how many M4 screws we need in our industry, and condoms for the population, and TVs, and lamps, and which machines, and how many tires, and how many forks and spoons? How can you make a plan?
    !
    1. +4
      4 January 2016 00: 51
      You see, if you think logically, then there are two options: either everything is fine in our economy, or not. You may think everything is fine, but I don’t think so. So, if the country is not doing well with the economy, then why have Putin and the government not changed the situation for at least 5 years. I see two options for an answer: they can't or they don't want to. Why can't, there are many options, for example, our president and prime minister do not affect the economic situation at all, or their influence cannot translate the influence of objective factors. Some even say that Putin is not real, and therefore, of course, does not solve anything at all. But I'm more interested in the "don't want" option. For understanding, economics, as a science, is primarily concerned with solving optimization problems. Plus, you need to understand that the economy is a multifactorial and interdependent thing, well, this is when you treat somewhere, and somewhere you cripple. So, anyone who studied in the 1st year of the University knows that to solve an optimization problem, an optimization criterion must be chosen. So I got the opinion that our government either still has not decided on this criterion, or this criterion is the retention of power itself, and the economy itself is the tenth thing.
  27. +4
    4 January 2016 00: 09
    "..... Very soon, the US Federal Reserve will have to make a pivotal decision - either cross their arms over their chest and watch the plague of deflation devastating the markets, or quickly reduce the rate back to zero to further prolong the agony of the financial system" .....
    This is a quote from the article! Either the author of the article did not recover after the New Year, or he considers us to be idiots. The level of information content of this "work" is at the level of the Soviet "agitprom"!
    Very soon is when ??? The agony of the state financial system is how ??? These are simple questions for an amateur in the global economic system. Considering that in the composition of the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia, the dollar is about 40% and with the "agony of the financial system" who will come faster to the United States, with their level of development of the manufacturing industry more than 40%, or us from 13%.
    We built communism in the 80s, or almost built it, according to our Central Committee leaders, then we "built a developed market" according to the Yeltsins and Chubais, and then WHAT !? Further, to the delight of US, we will wait for the AGONY OF THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM! fellow
  28. 0
    4 January 2016 00: 50
    About public debt and our investments either buy time to delay the war, or save their money ...
  29. +1
    4 January 2016 05: 04
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Such predictions

    Again nonsense. Oil as well as apples goes through the trading system in the form of short-term options. Options are controlled non-stop stock. Stop order goes through the clearing system. TNK-brokers work with invoices. Manufacturers give quasi-invoices. Consumer plants are controlled by traders ... And where is capitalism here?


    I think you should describe your thought in more detail. Since even I, having a little understanding of stock trading and reading the profile manuals, did not fully understand. And part of the audience and the word "option" is not clear. :)
  30. +6
    4 January 2016 05: 40
    I have these forecasts about the fact that soon the States will glue the fins together for many years. Type public debt will destroy them, paper dollars, etc. Someday we'll all die. This always ends. But in the coming decades this does not threaten them. Yes, the fat is slightly lost under. The funding for the Pentagon and the companies around it will be cut. But they will start milking the EU stronger. In Asia, too, suck. Although China holds them back there, it cannot yet compete globally on equal terms. About the Russian Federation is not even talking. We are not only a competitor to them in the economic part, no one is calling at all. It is in the military sphere that we are dangerous to them, and even then exclusively due to nuclear weapons. We possess well if a tenth of the Union’s potential.

    In fact, now the situation in the Russian Federation is an order of magnitude worse than that of the States. Our economy costs 85% of the sale of oil and gas. And its price is falling, and you shouldn't expect it to bounce off for $ 100. And even if it does not collapse yet, from $ 35 per barrel under the current system, we will not be able to live normally for a long time. This is 80% of our goods in almost all areas of import. This is our ruble exchange rate flew 2.5 times and apparently this is not the end. Instead of attempts at industrialization and agrarian reform, we have a sheet of import substitution, and even that does not work. This is our increase in levies and taxes (as an example, "Platon", the desire to introduce a monthly fee for electricity, not indexing the pensions of workers, etc., there are more than enough examples). Because the treasury is almost empty, and even the collapse of the ruble did not help. And the main thing is that it's scary (because everything described above can be solved) at our top is a bunch of incompetent, greedy and stupid liberals. But this is not so easy to solve. For our Guarantor, although not stupid, is exactly the same liberal, only with a touch of patriotism. Just recently, the Yeltsin Center opened ... yes .... Because I personally am more concerned about what is happening here in our country, and not there beyond the Big Water in the land of prairies and cowboys.
    1. +2
      4 January 2016 07: 29
      Quote: cobra77
      Because I’m personally more concerned with what is being done in our country, and not there beyond the Great Water in the country of prairies and cowboys.


      They bit ... Well, what can I say, in small quantities and snake venom is used as a medicine. And, take a word, the majority of people living in the country are concerned about the same issues - issues of well-being, even if own wealth is associated with the well-being of the country ... wink
  31. +4
    4 January 2016 05: 50
    A long time ago, when I was little, I walked under a chair, I also heard about the collapse of the dollar, the United States, Europe. Many years have passed since then and I hear all the same and almost nothing is changed ... but yes. The dollar is now worth almost 78 rubles (at the moment), Mikhail Vladimirovich Leontiev is now gray-haired and old, not young with black hair. And all * I think how to call them that * ... pocket "patriots" still describe how the US and the dollar will die and still do not write what to do with their problems. For them, the collapse of a country is more important than the prosperity of their own ... which, of course, is a little different and something else is more important to them laughing

    So fritzmorgen, who at one time wrote many similar posts, opposed replacing the average wage in statistics with the median one (well, that's understandable) wrote another post. At the same time, instead of clear numbers, economic forecasts, statistics, he, like many representatives of his and related professions, uses subjective metaphors. After all, he is not capable of substantiating "his" point of view scientifically.
  32. +1
    4 January 2016 06: 28
    economists will be able to come up with a similar "turbine" for the planetary financial system


    The author, why not call planning planning, and not some kind of "turbine"? This is just one more sentence to add to the text. No, you have to write so that not everyone understands.
  33. +4
    4 January 2016 06: 48
    Cardiac arrest ... Angina pectoris ... The collapse of imperialism would have been inevitable along with dollar or other pumping, but the fruits that are spread on the table for internal consumption are painfully sweet. It is not for nothing that, having gorged themselves on "socialist porridge" at one time, many former citizens of the USSR row so zealously (direct the boat, go or drive) to the "paradise of abundance and debauchery." It is there, without waiting for the decision of the Almighty, they equip their "paradise". As long as this distribution (simple slavery in new variations) suits the bulk of the world's population, all this will continue.
    what
    It remains to state the fact that Western, however, like all, capitalism is aging and decrepit. He is still trying to rejuvenate his blood, "sniffing" the idea of ​​"living happily ever after", but these attempts are not so much more rare, how fruitless and unsuccessful. Sooner or later, people begin to understand that in the pyramid they are erecting, their place is determined in the lower rows.
    Yes
    Capitalism will die sooner or later. Only for this it is necessary to determine the statehood and the diversity of nationalities. You cannot build a socialist version of the Tower of Babel. It is necessary to define the laws of universal understanding. There has not been a long history of parasitic countries, and this will end in inevitable collapse. And there is no need to foretell him a long existence just because "in my fifty years ...". A hundred years for history is the same period as a year for a person ...
    It is also real that with the improvement of methods of transferring information difficulties arise in the next attempts to cheat. This deception has existed for less and less time, since a lot of methods, sources and options have appeared to compare "white" and "black" ...
    hi
  34. 0
    4 January 2016 07: 50
    the author of the article did not notice one significant detail - the apples always have the same quantity, and if there is a lot of money this does not mean that they are acc. there will be a lot of apples)))
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  36. +5
    4 January 2016 08: 26
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    And the fact that the majority here writes about the planned economy is wrecking and sabotage. For example: can you imagine how many M4 screws we need in our industry, and condoms for the population, and TVs, and lamps, and which machines, and how many tires, and how many forks and spoons? How can you make a plan?
    The desire to hang tags arises, as a rule, from reluctance to look around and think a little.
    For example, how companies, especially transnational ones (and even if they are monopolists) find out how much they will produce their products (the same M4 screws :)) in order to sell it as much as possible (profit is the main thing under capitalism), but so that it doesn’t left to lay dead cargo in warehouses?
    And why all the heads of departments in companies are obliged to issue a document within a certain time period, which, oddly enough, is called a businessplan?
    And it is also interesting why almost all the scientific developments of the USSR State Planning Commission were bought with a bang by just foreign corporations.
    Because the budgets of large corporations are comparable, and often significantly exceed the budgets of individual states. And within these corporations reigns the same rigid planning and administrative-command system for which narrow-minded fans of the primer "Economics" still stigmatize the socialist system. "The bony hand of the market" has long been a fairy tale for gullible simpletons.
    It is clear that when 3-4 TNCs divide the market for a product, it is much easier for them to agree with each other on the division of the market (cartel agreement - joint planning) than it is pointless to waste funds and resources drowning competitors in an allegedly "fair" competition ...
    Well, if it is not clear, it makes sense to look at China, where reasonable state planning, carried out, by the attention of the Chinese Communist Party, makes it possible to rule the seemingly market economy in such a way that the most inveterate "market people" can only drool. And the Chinese simply took the best from a purely planned and purely market economy and combined them into a single whole.
    They just did it without fanaticism (splashing water out of the bath with the child) and wisely.
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    2. +3
      4 January 2016 12: 29
      Quote: Private
      They just did it without fanaticism (splashing water out of the bath with the child) and wisely.

      The main idea in creating an economy ... good
  37. +3
    4 January 2016 08: 53
    "Today I will try to explain in simple words why things in the dollar economy are extremely sad,"
    And still to hear a continuation, in simple words - why is the ruble depreciating against the background of "sad things in the dollar economy"? It is also sad, however ... especially when you go to a store or receive utility bills.
    1. Erg
      +2
      4 January 2016 09: 40
      Everything is simple about the ruble - the Fed is trying to strangle the economically and politically rising Russia by lowering oil prices (not a single market, purely political and financial pressure). This method of strangulation worked, in due time, with the USSR. The budget of Russia was imposed in rubles. To preserve their number, while reducing the flow of currency from the sale, the Central Bank lowers the ruble. Otherwise, there will be no money, and remember the 90s ...
      1. +4
        4 January 2016 12: 40
        I would not blame all the blame on the Fed. This office just prints money for everyone who has not yet realized that they give these green pieces of paper only for certain goods ...

        Our guys, who must strengthen the ruble, apparently in a fit of high passions and patriotism continue to issue coins and banknotes, the cost of which is higher than the face value ???

        But these parasites, who are seated in the government (because they eat for nothing), do not know that energy prices must be constant for some period of time and regulated by the state in order to provide the manufacturer with at least some opportunity to plan the production and profit invest in production?

        With such wise business executives inside and outside outside advisers is not necessary. They will not succeed in increasing national GDP due to trade. To successfully trade, you must create something successfully ... Yes
      2. new
        +1
        4 January 2016 16: 56
        Quote: Erg
        Everything is simple about the ruble - the Fed is trying to strangle economically and politically rising Russia

        So, the economic recovery looks like this. Clear. And what does the economic decline look like?
      3. 0
        5 January 2016 12: 48
        The Fed cannot lower oil prices, oil exporting countries do so violating OPEC quotas to limit production. The most typical dumping.

        Fed tries to strangle economically and politically rising Russia


        If rising means stupid sitting on a corpse and the same waste of petrodollars, then I am scared to imagine that there is a fall.
  38. +2
    4 January 2016 09: 41
    and now let's remember how many articles there were that America was about to end.

    As a person who does not like to understand the economic intricacies, I would like to see similar articles in which everything is shown as an example.
    1. +1
      4 January 2016 12: 53
      And here is what the once successful empires look like in realities:
  39. +5
    4 January 2016 09: 58
    About punks is well noticed. But the picture can be further developed and refined. For example, in one shop there is a printing press and sometimes, little by little, they print candy wrappers to support "their manufacturer". But if a neighboring shop starts selling for tugriks, then the first one will have problems.
    1. 0
      4 January 2016 13: 01
      About Tugriks skillfully added, but there are criteria for sales by size (only a certain size), by color, by smell, by environmental friendliness, etc., etc. The paper can endure everything ...
  40. Erg
    +4
    4 January 2016 10: 06
    The article is tricky. "Pointing out the essence of the economy and the way out of the crisis", the author works for the Federal Reserve, while intoxicating the minds of the people. Namely, the FRS is the source of poverty and war in the world. The key word here is CREDIT. It is through him that everyone (both states and ordinary people) falls into slavery. I remember a case when I bought a car at MAJOR. To the question - what kind of loan will you get? - I took out a "cutlet" from my bosom and said that I would take it for cash. They started running around and persuading me to take on a loan, while the price of the car decreased by 5% ... The fact that in five years I would overpay the floor of the car was correctly kept silent. This is how they milk us ... The thing is that at the state level there is a banal compulsion to credit (up to the physical destruction of those who disagree). Look at Ukraine, and at us ... I (like the rest of the common people) did not borrow anything from bankers, did not ask for help from the IMF, did not take loans ... So why should the whole country "have" to pay interest on "loans "? And we pay the interest. With the prices in shops, housing and communal services, low pensions, the inability to feed a family honestly and a hard-working man ... It's cool - they took a loan for us, and now we and our grandchildren have to hump on the bourgeoisie all our lives.
    1. +2
      4 January 2016 17: 38
      Quote: Erg
      It turns out fun - they took a loan for us, and now we and our children-grandchildren must be hunched over by the bourgeois all our lives.

      And this will continue until we break with the Fed!
      And before that, we will support the not-so-pleasant country of the United States and spread rot Russia!
      1. new
        0
        4 January 2016 18: 56
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And this will continue until we break with the Fed!

        So we are not connected with her anyway. Nothing to tear.
        1. Erg
          -1
          5 January 2016 00: 31
          Danuna ... What an obedient boy. lol fool
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      3. Erg
        +1
        5 January 2016 00: 25
        Here, friend, everything is difficult for us. The point is that the meaning of the scam that the previous "leaders" of Russia has turned around is carefully hidden from us. Powder the people’s brain with tricky terms, such as “sagged behind the scenes”, “stock market crash”, “transactions”, “fall of the Asian market” and other bileberd, they hide the main thing from the people - the “debts” not taken by them must be returned ... that the cause of all wars is money (power). But it takes real strength to break this vicious circle. As he has to - you will not envy. Need time. But I feel that power through recognition is not like power through money ... Here is our truth. soldier
  41. +3
    4 January 2016 10: 13
    Apples have nothing to do with it. Bad example of a real situation. Mega-cheap loans have arisen for a reason. No need to think that everyone has forgotten the elementary truths of capitalism. The reason is much simpler and more fundamental.
    Let's go back to the farmer and the shops. The reason is at the level of the farmer, not at the level of the apple shops. Today the farmer uses the most complex mechanisms, fertilizers and artificially created apple crops. And in every mechanism, in every fertilizer, and in every apple tree there is a share of intellectual labor. This share constitutes the intellectual rent of all the farmer's production. So it turns out that from one dollar, 70 cents goes in favor of intellectual rent to manufacturers of mechanisms, fertilizers and apple trees. And for the sale of apples today, simply "space technologies" are used. These are modern computers, expert systems and PR. And all of these sales systems also have a smart rent of at least 10 cents out of 20 cents per shopkeeper. So it turns out that everyone, both the farmer his 70 cents, and the shopkeeper his 10 cents pay the intellectual rent. Just think about it, this is almost 70% goes to intellectual property. But intellectual property is not machines and equipment. These are not capitalist means of production!
    And so capitalism died. He's been dead for a long time. That is why mega-cheap loans are needed. They are necessary to cover 70% of those leaving in favor of intellectual rent! Because the money received as intellectual rent is no longer returned to production. And what's the point, this is money received not for means of production, but for intellectual labor. And it is quite natural that people who received them spend them simply on themselves or send them to the "stock market". We already know what the stock market is. Capital movement has stopped long ago. Capital withdrawal from production and sales has been taking place for several years.
    And we see the end result right now - impoverished production, a bloated stock market and gift loans.
    Today, in all the leading countries, financial elites are in power. Since capital that is not circulating turns into a meaningless set of numbers (completely depreciates), which means that the foundations of the power of the financial elite are undermined, the elites are trying to save the foundation of their own power by a constant infusion of money. But sooner or later the tale will end. Money cannot be eaten (if you do not know, it is not edible), and despite the widespread misconception, money does NOT produce ANYTHING.
    Whoever is the first to give up illusions and engage in social production will win a super prize - the basis of the power of the future. And today the concept of "technological superiority" has the greatest prospects. You just have to forget about the "sacred right" to the means of production. And there is no more sense in this. Once again - capitalism is DEAD!
  42. +5
    4 January 2016 10: 17
    Unfortunately, there is one more "medical" method of cardiac resuscitation - adrenaline injection.
    With regard to the economy, this is war. A serious war. And this method No. 4 is very well known to those who "wash down caviar with the blood of babies."
    And now it is perfectly clear that "they" are persistently trying, for the third time, to realize this path No. 4 ...
  43. +4
    4 January 2016 10: 52
    The article is primitive nonsense.
  44. +2
    4 January 2016 11: 31
    Never, while Europe needs the United States for a war against Russia, the heart of Western capitalism will not stop. Do not flatter yourself.
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  47. 0
    4 January 2016 12: 21
    Quote: Private
    and if it is not clear, it makes sense to look at China, where reasonable state planning, carried out, by the attention of the Chinese Communist Party, makes it possible to rule the seemingly market economy so that the most inveterate "market people" can only drool. [/ quote]

    In my opinion, in a planned economy it’s impossible. that trading on Chinese stock exchanges stopped after the index fell by 7%
    [quote = Privatir]And it is also interesting why almost all the scientific developments of the USSR State Planning Commission were bought with a bang by just foreign corporations.[/ quote] could you give an example?
    Even if this is true, then corporations are not state structures, but, roughly speaking, private agents are risking their money, not state ones.
  48. +5
    4 January 2016 13: 24
    Normal states do not refuse a planned economy, it is present in any state, it is recognized in the USA, finally realizing that a private trader always (whether it’s small or a corporation!) Will spend more money on the production of a unit of production and on its implementation and is constantly trying to get away from fulfilling social obligations, it’s more difficult for the state to refuse to fulfill social programs, so a planned economy is always more reliable and the future lies with it.
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      4 January 2016 13: 32
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Normal states do not refuse a planned economy, it is present in any state, it is recognized in the USA

      In fact, even under the USSR, planning was recognized in the West. In the USSR it was scientifically called "forecasting". Forecasting, unlike planning (Soviet), was very bad. And what was good in the West from the Soviet point of view? wink
    2. +2
      4 January 2016 13: 46
      [quote = polkovnik manuch] Normal states do not refuse a planned economy, could you give an example?
      As the truth in the middle thinks, one cannot completely abandon planning, but one cannot return to the plan of the USSR either.
  49. +4
    4 January 2016 13: 55
    Supporters of the return to the planned system, do not tell me how to do this? For example, what will we do with my friend who has his own production, tailoring. What kind of plan would we let him down?
    And to others, what plan are we going to lower? for example, to a builder, how much cement should he buy, how much should he build houses, and if I don’t like his services, why should I pay him my money, because a plan will come to me too? how, if you have a plan, set the prices, and if I think that his work is not worth the money, or the builder thinks that such prices are very small for such work.
    Most likely, a return to the planned system is offered by people far from production. and the lack of their business !!!
    I repeat! As the truth in the middle thinks, it is impossible to completely abandon planning, but it is also impossible to return to the plan of the USSR.
    1. +4
      4 January 2016 17: 16
      Respected Kostya Andreev!
      Where did you get such wild views on planning? Victim of the Gaidar-Chubais liberal Darwinism and Fursenkov’s education reform? Why base your opinion on ancient jokes invented specifically to make it easier to tear a great country into your pockets?
      If interested, you can see this:
      http://subscribe.ru/group/na-zavalinke/10108953/
      The opinion, of course, is subjective, but an impression of a planned economy can be made.
      About TNCs. Take, for example, the leader of the oil industry Exxon Mobil with a turnover of about half a trillion dollars. This is more than the GDP of states such as Switzerland, Sweden, Austria, Norway and another 150 countries. Do you really think that managing such a colossus is easier than any Portugal?
      And since powerful TNCs take on functions that practically repeat state ones, including politics (clients need to be motivated), social (training employees, their pensions) and even military (private security companies), then they are de facto states, and not even in state, but over states. And in order not to risk their money too much, they have the most competent analysts on the staff of their "sharag", who offer work plans that allow them to minimize risks and maximize profits in any development of events. And the most interesting thing is that the methods of effective management of a corporation may well be transferred to states, if corporations want to share their know-how. Moreover, through lobbyists on a salary, they already have the opportunity to "adjust" the policy of states, if suddenly their "democracy" is driving somewhere in the wrong direction.
      And tell the fuck to your friend from somewhere to lower any plans? Everything is exactly the opposite. If he, having estimated his strengths, submits his annual (and with the current information structure, it is already possible for a monthly) production plan, then a certain planning body, seeing the picture of supply and demand on a national scale, can give him his own recommendations. Like "Guys, you can sew lace panties as many threads are enough - demand is steady and growing, but be careful with bras with fur - you can burn out." wink
      The decision to heed the recommendations or act at your own peril and risk is entirely up to your acquaintance.
      Analysis of the total volume of applications for cement - this is the plan for its release. From which it is immediately clear - it is necessary to build another cement plant or, conversely, re-profile a couple of existing fertilizers for production. And these decisions should be made precisely by the state, since private traders pulling each blanket over themselves are not able to ensure a balanced economy of the whole country.
      My opinion is that the future of humanity belongs to socialism such as Norwegian or Swedish, and predatory plunder for the sake of profit of the planet’s resources should be replaced by a rational resource-oriented economy, the goal of which is not to gain, but to satisfy the needs of people based on the competent and sparing use of (now limited) planetary resources . Otherwise, the economy will not be needed at all, because no one will survive in the global garbage dump.
      1. +2
        4 January 2016 18: 10
        Maybe I am a victim of the Gaidar-Chubais liberal Darwinism and the Fursenkov reform of education. Why do you compare the state with private sharags, Exxon Mobil today is tomorrow it is not.
        I myself do a little business, and even knowing everything from the inside, I can’t predict what kind of demand will be, and I myself decide what to do to improve things, how much and where I will direct my efforts, and not some uncles from the competent authority who are more likely to just did not do business, but can only give advice and recommendations.
        The decision to heed the recommendations or act at your own peril and risk is entirely up to your acquaintance.
        Speaking of recommendations, if I follow their recommendations, and their forecast turns out to be erroneous, who will return the money to me, my family, and compensate for the losses, and how they will be responsible for the worthless forecast.
        In order not to be unfounded I propose. You give a forecast, I follow him and invest money. if it doesn’t work out (and most likely it won’t work out) then you give your property as compensation. Will you give recommendations on such conditions?

        Norway’s happiness in large-scale production of carbohydrates, and the presence of 5 million people in Russia, is not when this will not happen.
        And what future I will not know !!
      2. +2
        5 January 2016 00: 52
        Quote: Private
        ... Analysis of the total volume of applications for cement - this is the plan for its release. From which it is immediately clear - it is necessary to build another cement plant or, conversely, re-profile a couple of existing fertilizers for production. And these decisions should be made precisely by the state, since private traders pulling each blanket over themselves are not able to ensure a balanced economy of the whole country.
        ...

        but forgot to submit an application - wait when they re-profile?
  50. 0
    4 January 2016 13: 56
    The dilemma is which of the World shopkeepers dies faster ... Or comes to the victory of communism ..
    1. -4
      4 January 2016 16: 01
      For many, communism is not a shit to do, but to have everything !!!
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        4 January 2016 16: 16
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        For many, communism is not a shit to do, but to have everything !!!

        And on the so-called. "Developed socialism" is mostly missed by idlers. To go to work, you have to go to a club. Relax. And so that they also pay money for it. And not so much there, but as much as everyone else.
        1. +1
          4 January 2016 20: 01
          Quote: anew
          And on the so-called. "Developed socialism" is mostly missed by idlers.

          I assure you that I am not a slacker. A voice of reason says that we need to work. But a subconscious voice says: * It’s good not to do any damn things, but to have everything *. Nonsense. hi
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            4 January 2016 20: 34
            Quote: unsinkable
            The voice of reason says that it is necessary to work. But the subconscious voice says: * It’s good to do neither horseradish, but have everything

            How are we alike! feel
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          5 January 2016 00: 41
          anew. Your flag fell and was thrown at the foot of the idler symbol. Better be silent, because history has put everything in its place long before you.
  51. 0
    4 January 2016 16: 34
    Like any empire, it will collapse. Moreover, they themselves went out of their way. They became completely sick.
  52. +1
    4 January 2016 16: 46
    The black president will be the last, because then America will fall apart

    Vanga: predicted the coming to power of a black president in the United States. “The 44th president of the United States will be black. And this president will be the last for the country, because then America will freeze or fall into the abyss of a major economic crisis. America will disintegrate into southern and northern states.”
    1. Alf
      +1
      4 January 2016 21: 10
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Vanga: predicted the coming to power of a black president in the United States. “The 44th president of the United States will be black. And this president will be the last for the country, because then America will freeze or fall into the abyss of a major economic crisis. America will disintegrate into southern and northern states.”

      Well, how long can you hear these fairy tales? Vanga said, Vanga predicted...Have you personally heard this? And on TV you can say a lot of things; paper, as you know, will endure anything. We hear what they give us, and this is called creating public opinion.
  53. +4
    4 January 2016 17: 36
    I'm afraid the problem is somewhat more serious than the author seems. The problem is that the modern economy is not based on real supply and demand, but on the creation of it... And the spiral of consumption, by definition, cannot be continuous. Only this will not be a “reduction in demand” but a complete collapse of the system...
  54. +3
    4 January 2016 17: 59
    A good article, but not complete, the author has lost sight of one more player - the bank, which will take away all the shops for non-repayment of the loan, and leave two (or three) that will create the appearance of competition and begin to inflate prices, and the new businessman who dares to enter the market will offer an expensive loan and immediately after receiving it will set prices (through controlled shops) so as to extract all the money from the businessman on the loan (the bank is in the black at the same time) and then further reduce prices and ruin the competitor.
  55. +1
    4 January 2016 18: 03
    What to do next? After all, the crisis will hit us too.
  56. -1
    4 January 2016 18: 08
    I don’t give a fuck about the shoulder straps, I’ll tell you how it is without politeness. Putin is the enemy of the USSR, the Russian Federation and Russians. Genocide is his credo. And I also don’t give a fuck who overthrows this regime, the main thing is not to miss the moment of establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    1. Erg
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      5 January 2016 00: 47
      You, my dear, fool, are on Saturdays, or what?.. Your proletariat has already buried millions... If it weren’t for Stalin, it’s scary to think...
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  57. -1
    4 January 2016 18: 37
    Quote: KIND
    like one of our own, but worse than our enemies

    This is the 5th column :)))
  58. +3
    4 January 2016 18: 52
    The planned USSR was the first in the world to launch Sputnik and an astronaut (keep in mind the debaters that our Motherland was devastated by a four-year war and millions of losses) and a few years after the war created nuclear weapons.
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      4 January 2016 19: 02
      Quote: Andryukha G
      The planned USSR was the first in the world to launch Sputnik and an astronaut

      What does this matter to you? So what if a ball with a transmitter and a capsule with Gagarin’s carcass were thrown into space on slightly modified German rockets? Do you get any bonuses or extra rations from this? You forgot about Belka and Strelka. This is also a great reason to puff out your cheeks out of the blue.
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      2. -1
        6 January 2016 20: 24
        Be careful about Gagarin's carcass...
  59. +4
    4 January 2016 19: 12
    Quote: yuriy55
    Quote: cobra77
    Because I’m personally more concerned with what is being done in our country, and not there beyond the Great Water in the country of prairies and cowboys.


    They bit ... Well, what can I say, in small quantities and snake venom is used as a medicine. And, take a word, the majority of people living in the country are concerned about the same issues - issues of well-being, even if own wealth is associated with the well-being of the country ... wink


    The majority are just worried because 99% do not have houses in Courchevel. And instead of plans for how we will solve economic problems, they are trying to push us with slogans (and rather stupid ones), scrapes (what an idiotic word for what is meant by it), poking at what is bad with the Amers and Europeans and waiting for the barrel to bounce back to 100$. I’m not against slogans, I’m not against a critical look at the West (there’s really a lot of crap out there), I’m not against religion (although I’m an atheist myself). But this is just a surrogate. We need clear, well-thought-out plans, a finally formulated ideology (for without it there is no state, except perhaps some kind of Lithuania). What do we see? Yeltsin Center, parole for Vasilyeva, privatization (Karl again, again!) what else can be put under the knife, price increase by 2,5 times, Plato, increase in excise taxes. Where are the real steps towards import substitution? So far, I only see situational plugging of holes in the budget and an attempt to keep funding for the army and military-industrial complex at least at some level.
  60. 0
    4 January 2016 19: 22
    Quote: Just VV
    In 1925, only my grandfather could study, but in the 70s I never heard about:
    course "Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism"

    and here
    There were "History of the CPSU" - 1st year of study "Political Economy" - 3 course yes "Dialectical Materialism" -2 course, that is, the foundations of Marxist-Leninist philosophy),4th, 5th courses but also passed the state exam in discipline "Scientific communism ".

    In 1984, I passed my diploma at a technical school. The main topic was the decisions of the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Somehow I got into electrification
  61. +2
    4 January 2016 20: 22
    There is nothing to comment on this baby talk! The author absolutely does not understand the structure of the world in which he lives! And crises for him are a RANDOM process that does not depend on anyone! The entire article can serve as a guide to FOGGING the average person’s brain! This is precisely the goal set by the current rulers of the world and money! And the author, in his stupidity, picks up this blizzard and adds his own childish babble to it and carries it into the brain of the dumbfounded reader. I recommend that you just don’t read this garbage, but try to turn on your brain and try to analyze the situation, there will be more benefits.
  62. +4
    4 January 2016 20: 53
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    Why are you comparing the state with private companies? Exxon Mobil is here today and gone tomorrow.
    Most likely, there will be no state that tries to put a spoke in the wheels of Exxon Mobil. wink
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    I myself am a little involved in business, and even knowing everything from the inside, I can’t predict what the demand will be
    So I'm talking about the same thing. There are areas where it is extremely difficult to predict something, well, there is nothing to plan there, let venture capital firms deal with them, for which the allocated funds are written off as losses immediately at the time of allocation. And in established markets, planning is not only possible, but also necessary.
    Let's say you write an application: "I want to produce millions of M4 screws." They answer you: “There is a guaranteed demand for half a million (customer details). For now, you can only purchase funds for 0,75 million - alas, there is no more metal on the market.” Will this be inconvenient for you?
    Here's another example. In the field of agricultural production, the European Union draws up a plan for who should produce what and how much, which is communicated to each farmer in the form of quotas. What is produced under the quota is subsidized (by the states!), and what is produced above the quota is fined, since this is the reason for dumping and irrational use of resources. Such is the “bony hand of the market”. wink
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    In order not to be unfounded, I suggest. You give a forecast, I follow it and invest money. if it doesn’t work out (and most likely it won’t work out), then you give your property as compensation.
    Having complete and reliable information and tools for professional analysis, I would agree to your proposal, but on one condition - if the forecast is successful, you will receive a percentage of the profit. wink
    By the way, this is exactly how “Islamic banking” works - if successful, share in the profits; if unsuccessful, there are no complaints against the client, it’s your own fault. And notaries are responsible for mistakes with their property.
    Although I haven’t heard of IMF consultants paying with property for their recommendations. Otherwise, they would have been walking around without pants a long time ago. wink
    And to paraphrase L. Gumilyov, I can say to myself: “I (Word to God!) am not an economist. I have a profession!”
    P.S. By the way, I’m not giving you cons.
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  63. +1
    5 January 2016 01: 21
    Quote: Private
    Most likely, there will be no state that tries to put a spoke in the wheels of Exxon Mobil.

    These are our fantasies, there are states that can discover a bunch of violations and inconsistencies in Exxon Mobil and remove a competitor (for example, like Volkswagen in the USA). Like any private sharaga, it can go bankrupt and be reorganized, you can buy it too, on occasion, etc. and so on. Roughly speaking, this is not state money.
    Regarding the screws, of course this is convenient. But in order to make the final product - a screw, you must first mine ore, weld metal, etc. All participants in the process also need to lower the plan. and end consumers need it too. The system is ideal in theory, but it’s complicated, it won’t work, any link can misfire, and more than one. and the whole system will break down. And I know that if there is a guaranteed demand that is created by the plan, then there is no rush to modernize production. you can drive the same thing for 40 years, there is guaranteed demand (for example, AvtoVAZ, the same cars for 40 years)
    I’m a little familiar with the agricultural EU. (unfortunately, I cannot cite a source for confirmation) If subsidies and the plan are not applied, then farmers in southern countries will quickly let northern farmers travel around the world, for the simple reason that it is warmer in the south and farming is less risky. This is what I was talking about, that you cannot completely abandon the plan. Just like in Russia, growing potatoes in the black earth region is easier and cheaper than, for example, in Arkhangelsk. therefore, to maintain stability, planning must be applied to a limited extent.
    Quote: Private
    Having complete and reliable information and tools for professional analysis, I would agree to your proposal, but on one condition - if the forecast is successful, you will receive a percentage of the profit

    In general, the people giving the forecast will be on government support and receive a salary, so what is the interest? This is a direct path to the fact that I will offer you a percentage to become a monopolist in the market, by the method of you leaking erroneous information to my competitors. When the bribe is such that your grandchildren will have enough, you will agree, you will disagree, someone else will agree. A direct path to corruption.
    About Islamic banking, I won’t answer right away without preparation, but I remember that “not everything is so simple” there.
    Quote: Private
    Having complete and reliable information and tools for professional analysis
    , as well as access to commercial business information, including hidden accounting, (without this you cannot be accurate). You get every opportunity to throw and overcome the case.
    Do you know that it is impossible to refuse IMF consultants when they give recommendations (for example, the most recent one, Ukraine) (They gave a bad example, I can use it as “The IMF makes plans, countries follow it, and are left without pants”).
    Thank God I’m not an economist either, although the science is very interesting. you begin to understand some things that are happening now.
    I try not to pay attention to the downsides.For many, communism is not a shit to do, but to have everything !!!This is why I received minuses, although I didn’t understand why.
    I repeat! We cannot completely abandon planning, but we also cannot return to the planned system of the USSR.
    1. +1
      5 January 2016 14: 47
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      There are states that can find a bunch of violations and inconsistencies in Exxon Mobil and remove a competitor (for example, like Volkswagen in the USA)
      It seems that one raven (government officials) will not peck out the eye of another raven (the corporations that feed these government officials). Volkswagen resorted to outright fraud, and for this they are punished according to the laws, the rules, and the concepts. And, say, British Petroleum, which caused an oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, got away with paying compensation (albeit quite large) and a temporary slight drop in the price of its shares. And how many resources were involved in eliminating the consequences - specialists, volunteers, soldiers, local civil defense, and rescuers... And how much state funds were poured into this - it’s scary to think. As always, the taxpayer paid for everything.
      Most likely, the Volkswagen case, having found the culprit switchman, will be put on hold.
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      The system is ideal in theory, but it is complex, it will not work, any link can misfire and more than one or the entire system will be broken.
      The ideal, by definition, is unattainable in principle, but no one forbids approaching it. Actually, for the same reason it was not worth bothering with the construction of communism, since Scripture clearly says that heaven on Earth is impossible. But this does not mean that it is impossible to create a society that is as favorable as possible for people’s lives.
      And making mistakes is people's favorite pastime. :)
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      if there is guaranteed demand that is created by the plan, then there is no rush to modernize production. you can drive the same thing for 40 years
      The fact is that demand must be guaranteed not by the state plan, but by the buyer who submits a purchase application. And if the buyer knows that there are hardened chrome-plated M4 alloy steel self-tapping screws on the market, he simply will not order dull 20 steel screws at the same price. And their manufacturer will inevitably have to change the equipment to more modern one.
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      If subsidies and plans are not applied, then farmers in southern countries will quickly let northern farmers travel around the world, for the simple reason that it is warmer in the south and farming is less risky. This is what I was talking about, that you cannot completely abandon the plan.
      I completely agree. I just wanted to emphasize that these states use absolutely non-market planning methods to regulate the economy, and exclusively for political purposes. And liberal economists don’t even think that this is completely “not according to the textbook.”
    2. +1
      5 January 2016 14: 50
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      This is a direct path to the fact that I will offer you a percentage in order to become a monopolist in the market, by the method of you leaking erroneous information to my competitors. ...A direct path to corruption.
      ...as well as access to commercial business information, including hidden accounting, (without this you will not be able to be accurate). You get every opportunity to throw and overcome the case.
      Yes, and this is perhaps the main problem.
      Because it was not easy to select a sufficient number of decent and honest people for government positions at all times and in all countries. And it is not clear whether this problem has a solution at all.
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      I repeat! We cannot completely abandon planning, but we also cannot return to the planned system of the USSR.
      A return to the planned system is only possible dialectically - on a new, higher turn of the development spiral. No repetitions of already made mistakes. It seems to me that a fundamentally changed level of communications, the development of a flexible multi-structure economy and the creation of a truly civil society will make it possible to much more fully realize the full potential of both market and planned economic models.
      That is, from their symbiosis some new, more advanced economy should emerge. Otherwise the end.
  64. 0
    5 January 2016 03: 08
    collapse of the dollar economy? Well, well, our government will bend over backwards to prevent this from happening. This article is a cover for my own sad situation, I work in the structure of Russian Railways, we have layoffs, all substructures are outsourced to companies with horns and hooves, which is not touch (tool, fuel, etc.) there is no money, and you just have to look at the key rate of the Central Bank from them and from us
  65. +1
    5 January 2016 11: 46
    The USSR had a turbine, only traitors at the top threw sand into it. Now a new one will have to be made to replace the bankrupt liberal feudal capitalism.
  66. 0
    5 January 2016 12: 28
    The fact remains a fact. US foreign debt is growing rapidly. And the larger the debt, the higher the cost of servicing it.

    If earlier they cheated and abandoned the gold standard, making the dollar the main reserve currency through an agreement with Saudi Arabia, now they have less and less room for maneuver.

    Firstly, sufficient regional centers of power have already formed: Russia, China, India and Brazil, which conduct trade, including in national currencies. Example Russia and China.

    Secondly, any assumptions that the United States will once again start a world war and come out of it unscathed have no basis. They did not start the First and Second World Wars. Europe is now heavily demilitarized. The Middle East is currently laying claim to the theater of war of the world war, but the war there with the participation of world powers has been going on for a good dozen years with varying success. Somehow, this does not radically improve the position of the United States.
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      5 January 2016 12: 58
      Quote: Nirvanko
      US foreign debt is growing rapidly. And the larger the debt, the higher the cost of servicing it.

      Not at all necessary. Depends on the terms of the loan. In addition, the United States rather cleverly restructured its debt during the period of low rates. Therefore, today they pay no more for it than before. Although in nominal terms it has grown.
      And no one plans to repay the debt. This must be understood clearly. And no one can force them. Therefore, they will restructure and maintain. And also gradually inflate. Not more.
  67. 0
    5 January 2016 14: 47
    Quote: anew
    Quote: Nirvanko
    US foreign debt is growing rapidly. And the larger the debt, the higher the cost of servicing it.

    Not at all necessary. Depends on the terms of the loan. In addition, the United States rather cleverly restructured its debt during the period of low rates. Therefore, today they pay no more for it than before. Although in nominal terms it has grown.


    Refinancing the debt leads precisely to its increase - the debt itself does not disappear anywhere. U.S. Treasury securities trade so well because they have attractive investment value, but that value is in the form of U.S. debt.
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      5 January 2016 15: 42
      I've written about the cost of debt service. There is no direct dependence on its size.
  68. DPN
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    6 January 2016 11: 51
    Stop writing crap - this heart has already stopped since 1929, the Russian man managed to destroy his EMPIRE, and the Americans did not think of this. They live as they lived, and WE gave birth to and put the capitalist class on our necks and revived the speculators. Isn’t that stupidity? Our great-grandfathers removed them, but it turns out we cannot LIVE without landowners.
  69. +1
    6 January 2016 19: 42
    Quote: filalex79
    Correctly, no "capitalism", one sheer usury!

    “I believe that our technology is already advanced enough to replace the “invisible hand of the market” with a more modern and efficient mechanism.”
    At the level of a small shop, market mechanisms are possible. Large industry, energy, railway, air transport, construction, agriculture are subject to strict planning and regulation. Everything must be optimally located on the territory of the state and connected by transport flows that are strictly optimized and ensure minimal costs and optimal time intervals. All this is possible only with a state approach to production processes. All these markets from the time of Amenhatep II will give nothing except stupid crises, unjustified inflation and all sorts of stupid speculative exchanges. All this is a long-past stage. All these markets are needed by speculators of all stripes and, naturally, by the main speculator on the planet - the United States.
  70. +1
    6 January 2016 19: 48
    Quote: MyVrach
    Bloomberg experts are confident that the second term of the presidency of Barack Obama will be the most successful time for the dollar since Bill Clinton. Longer than under Clinton, the dollar strengthened under Ronald Reagan.

    In 2016, the US dollar will rise against all major competitors, with the exception of the Canadian dollar, British pound sterling and Norwegian krone, according to a study conducted by experts at Bloomberg.

    At the same time, according to experts, the New Zealand and Australian dollars, as well as the Swiss franc, will fall more strongly than others (by 5,5-8%). The cost of Danish and Swedish kroner will decrease by about 5%, the Japanese yen by about 3,5%, the euro by almost 3%.

    Experts attribute the expected strengthening of the dollar with the decision of the US Federal Reserve on raising the key rate adopted in mid-December 2015. This decision was made by the Fed leadership for the first time in nine years, and, according to forecasts, if economic growth continues in 2016, the rate can be increased four more times.

    “No other country can answer in the same way. Therefore, the dollar is likely to rise against most currencies, ”says Mark Chandler, the chief currency strategist at New York's Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.

    Experts note that after the abolition of the gold standard in 1971, the dollar experienced two major rallies, during which the value of the currency grew for several years in a row. The first of them lasted from 1979 to 1984, intensifying after Ronald Reagan, the tax-cut tax president, became the president of the United States, and the second was in the last five years of economic growth during the reign of Bill Clinton.

    "This is the third big rally in the dollar. Under Obama, I think it has been fueled by changes in monetary policy," Chandler said.

    Let there be no poultices from the Fed. The dollar is holding on only because they still pretend that it is money and understand that if it falls, it will be bad for everyone. Let’s remember Black Tuesday, in one day 90% of the “financial tycoons” went bankrupt, so what? The poor have become poorer, the rich have become richer. There was a redistribution of property. The FRS waited and staged a global massacre, 100 million lives, of which the USSR lost at least 30 percent. In the end, thanks to everyone, everyone is “happy,” the world is ruined, the Fed is back on horseback. It seems that they will again solve their problems with the dollar and world domination through a world war; they do not know any other recipes. So far, only the Arabs are falling for this bait, as well as the so-called “young European democracies” such as the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland, etc. China is not averse to fishing in troubled waters, but we’ll see. And we have been seeing for a long time that conflicts are unleashed wherever possible. And I don’t even want to think about which of them will result in a global one.
  71. 0
    6 January 2016 20: 31
    Yes, by the way, regarding Volkswagen... perhaps this is pure coincidence, but the size of the fine, which seems to be imposed on the corporation, is equal to the amount that Volz spends on scientific developments for future cars and electric vehicles... well, the chain goes on from there who benefits and why it’s easy to build, although maybe I’m wrong
  72. 0
    6 January 2016 21: 42
    Such a villainous thought experiment. am

    Option 1 (not entirely mental): US nuclear strike on Russia. Russia is defeated; Globally, the changes are minor.

    Option 2: Russian nuclear strike on the United States. The US is defeated; no dollar; The entire world economic system is completely screwed. Lithuania is in the ass (on which not a single bomb has fallen; they are eating silage). Poland is in trouble. Ukraine is in trouble.

    Option 3: Since option 1 requires option 2; Lithuania and Poland are obliged to cherish Russia - their existence depends on it. laughing

    The US is much more fragile and dependent than it is willing to admit.